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Speaker 1: Here's your hosts, Jesse Severe and Victor Nuno.

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Speaker 3: Fantasy Hockey Lie back once again. Jesse Severe with you,

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the man from Van Tracks, Victor Nugno with you. How

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do I explain this people? Victor Nunio of Elite Prospects

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voices you hear in the episode. But once again events conspire.

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It has been spend an interesting spend, an interesting time

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from a personal perspective. I won't get into those types

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of things, but we are anticipating sources report next week

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we will be reunited and it will feel so good.

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But for right now, it is Victor and recording separately.

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Victor recording with our buddy Ryan Downey, the Admiral, the

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tidy Admiral, the opera singer. Admiral Ryan will be there

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today to talk tidy takes with Victor. In the meantime,

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if you're looking for Victor and you wish you could

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interact with him in a semi live format. You could

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always try to find him over there on the Fantasy

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Hockey Live discord. All you have to do to get

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the free invite to the discord FANTASYHOCKEYLFE at gmail dot

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com or hit one of Victor or myself up on

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the cool visualizations of Victor ranks in a very cool

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tableau format, including a bash ratings which not everybody has

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a roster doctor experience, and of course participation in the

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aforementioned tidy leagues that will be the theme of the show. Now,

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you might say to yourself, you know what, I don't

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want to listen to somebody's whole episode about a league

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that I don't plan. That doesn't sound exciting. Look what

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this is, people, is this is a standardized format for

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a dynasty league and We're just analizing traits. That's all

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we're doing today. If you're in the Tidy League, and

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let's face it, if you are listening to a Dynasty

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Hockey podcast in March, odds are strong you're already in

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that league or or that you plan to be next year,

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so you might be interested in this, but are Tidy

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is the coolest for those because every once in a

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while we do get new people who pop in at

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this time. Our Tidy League is the coolest you play Dynasty.

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If you win, you can advance to the next higher league,

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the next higher tier. If you get relegated, you know

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how that goes. Anyway, we are going to take a break.

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Come back, Ryan Downey, Victor Nugno, Tidy.

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Speaker 1: Tamnis, welcome back, and we're pleased once again to bring

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in our Tidy Admiral. As we're going to be talking

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Tidy Takes Trade Deadline edition. Ryan, How you doing, my friend?

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Speaker 2: Hey, Victor, I am great giving the listeners a little

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bit of a peek behind the curtain here. You and

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I have been hanging out all morning. We've been chatting.

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We co manage a league. We've recently started co managing

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this team. In a thirty two team league. It's been

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very exciting to get up to speed with this size

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of league. It's definitely I wouldn't say out of my depth,

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but it's a new experience for me to be dealing

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with the We were just discussing like whether we should

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trade a guy like Rasmus Ristolina, and it's maybe you

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would in a twelve team league, but in a thirty

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two team league, he does have a bit more value.

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It's just been really fast, and so I feel like

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I've been hanging out with you all morning. We'll just

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let the listeners into our hang sash here and it's

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great to be back doing the Tidy Takes with you.

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I don't know about you, but this is one of

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my favorite times a year for Dynasty Fantasy Hockey. The

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contenders have separated themselves from the pretenders, and managers are

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looking at their teams more critically than at any other

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time of the year, deciding who is remaining on the

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journey and who's getting tossed overboard. And that's what we're

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going to be focusing on in today's edition of Tidy Takes.

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We're going to take a look at a few teams

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that are undertaking the classic trade deadline remodel, including your

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own victor in the Tidy Lord Stanley Division, and dive

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into a few strategies that you, the listener, can try

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in your own leagues as you prepare for the stretch

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run and Victor. This wouldn't be a Tidy Trade segment

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if we didn't talk about the reigning trade King. Instead

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of the Rank King, I think we should call him

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the Trade King from now on. Mason Black first place

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in the Lord Stanley Division, cruising towards a final meeting

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with raining Tidy champion Jurassic Park, who is currently in

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a second managed by Jack. Hopefully Edward and I will

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have something to say about that as the playoffs got

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started this past week. This is an interesting deal from

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Mason and the Pittsburgh Mutant Turtles also known as Josh,

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who finished eighth this year in the regular season of

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the Tidy. And here's a deal that helps both squads

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towards their respective goals. Our Trade King Mason acquires defenceman

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for the Vancouver Canucks now Marcus Petterson and depth forward J. G.

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Pago of the New York Islanders. And here's what he's

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sent back to Josh the Pittsburgh Mutant Turtles in return

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left wing Zach Boulduk, and a trio of defensive prospects

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Oliver Bonk, Mattia Samuelson who actually is playing some games

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forward who's popping off right now for Petterson and j G. Pajo.

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Our Tidy listenership has voted for it pretty decisively for

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the Pittsburgh Mutant Turtles side, so Josh's return here, although

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we do have some good veteran depth acquired by Mason.

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Mason had this to say Victor about the deal, that

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he put out some feelers during the week prior to

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the trade deadline and had come to the realization that

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he would probably need to lose a trade in order

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to better his roster for a playoff push, so that

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kind of reflects in the Tidy voting gear. He said

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he was mostly focused on NHL teams that had great

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schedules in our fantasy playoffs to help maximize the games

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played during those few weeks that he made a short

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list of players that he thought might be accessible that

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the championship or relegation brackets. Pajo and Peterson were two

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guys on his list and were both on Josh's Pittsburgh

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mutant Turtle's team, and Josh mentioned he was in need

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of a defenseman, so he built the proposal from that perspective.

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Mason is hoping that Petterson finds his groove in Vancouver

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on the new squad and says that the Caducks have

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and that the underlying stats suggest he had a rough

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go in Pittsburgh, probably like most of the players there.

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but with doubt he coming back, he was probably going

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to lose some deployment on the Kings, and Pajo bumps

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him up from his last rostered player. He does go

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on to say that losing Bank and Bolduke wasn't fun,

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as he is high on both of the players, but

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that he thinks Bunk ends up as a second pairing

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d with bull Duke ending up as an underrated forward.

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Prospect here going forward. His problem was that he had

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a few similar prospects that were going to be graduating

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early next year, like Simon and Evanson, Yeri Kulik and

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Codner Geeky, and that they were going to be graduating early,

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so he wouldn't have enough roster space for all of them,

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so Bolduke was the odd man out. It's a bit

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of a simpler explanation here from Josh that Mason had

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acquired about those two depth players and that seeing he

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is relatively thin at d that it made sense to

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look for Dan return and he got it in abundance,

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acquiring three younger pieces with upside that can grow with

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his team while swapping Samuelson for Petterson. While none of

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the players acquired in this deal are superstars, Victor, they'll

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all have roles to play. And so it's an interesting

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deal to start our discussion here today because it's really

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a bit of a masterclass in trading here from our

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resident trade king. In one deal, Mason has solved two

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problems at once, thinning out his young core who are

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rapidly losing minors eligibility, and adding a core piece going

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forward in Peterson. Why don't you get us started here

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with this question here of losing a trade to better

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ones playoff roster and dealing with this problem of having

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too many guys graduating at the same time.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, getting guys with a good playoff schedule is huge.

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and he absolutely is the rank slash trade king, then

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you do it. You take the L. I think that

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that doesn't even really bother you that much. I think

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you have to do that, even if it's somewhat close

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he says taking an L. I'm not even sure if

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that's really the case. I might just be the shuffling

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chairs on the deck of the Titanic, but in a

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good way. If you can't get the players in, doesn't

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really matter why you can't get them in. Are they

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not playing on off nights? Are they not getting enough games?

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Are they scratched? Are they sent to the miners? Are

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they injured? None of that matters. You need to figure

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out a way to get bodies into your lineup, and

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great gms find a way to fix that. They look

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ahead and they see these things, and quite frankly, you

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just have to be able to be in a position

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like Mason is to make these sort of moves, right,

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he has put himself in a position where he doesn't

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have to worry too much about getting far in the

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playoffs and he can just focus on a matchup or two,

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so he doesn't have to look at the whole playoff schedule,

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and that's a real huge benefit. And so he can

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just focus in on a couple of matchups in a

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few weeks and see what works the best. And that

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few weeks like that, but you definitely want to look

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ahead when you have that opportunity.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it definitely makes sense. And you look at some

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of these guys. Jordan Spence is great. He's been pretty

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good for a fairly long time in his short career here.

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on that roster. Dowdy doesn't seem to be going anywhere

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anytime soon. So as good as Jordan Spence is, if

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he's only going to play near the bottom of the

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roster for the LA Kings, he's not going to have

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as much value as someone like Peterson who's going to

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be relied upon in Vancouver. You mentioned you don't think

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this deal is necessarily an l for Mason. Why don't

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you expand on that a little bit, because, as we noted,

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and as we'll note for several of the deals today,

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our Tidy managers voted for Josh's return, which is more

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of the I guess it's not really as much of

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a win now, but it does have a lot of

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exciting pieces there, and Petterson and Pajo are not the

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most exciting names. Where does this one land for you?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's got to be a win or

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I would even say a win wash, because I think

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both teams get what they need. I don't think any

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of these guys are like league winners or anything like that. Right,

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of them are pretty decent real life players. I was surprised, actually,

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I was looking at Marcus Petterson's underlying stats. His offense

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is rated at ninety fourth percentile. I don't understand that.

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That doesn't really make sense to me. I thought he

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was more of a defensive specialist, but apparently good. He's

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good both ways. He obviously doesn't put up too many

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points though, as we know anyways, I think that you

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get both guys get what they need. Mason gets a

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little upgrade and someone similar points per game between Peterson

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and Spence, but Petterson playing more games now, and so

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that's obviously what matters. And so that's a real win

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because Josh gets someone who he can rely on later hopefully,

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which makes sense. And then JG. Pajo certainly pretty decently

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above average here and so getting a little bit more

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flexibility too because he's sent a right wing So I

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think you get that flexibility, you get guys in your lineup.

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more exciting. But I'm not sure that any of are

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going to be too good. Quite frankly, I think that, well,

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Duke's been in the NHL, He's got just under one

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pace during that entire stretch, and I wouldn't be too

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surprised if he stays in that forty ish point range

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for most of his career. Is there more there? Maybe?

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I'm not super convinced that there is. Spence I think

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has a lot of talent, but yeah, certainly with Dowdy

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there and some of the other guys they have, I'm

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not sure he's going to be too much. So I

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think both guys are between replacement level and average roster players.

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So is there upside for more? Sure? And I think

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it's a great bet for Josh to make on maybe

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they can be more And in the meantime, Mason gets

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another shot at the championship which he fell just short

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last year, and it looks to be in a really

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good position to bring it home this year.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I totally get it. And this deal really does

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change the makeup of the middle of the roster of

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both of these teams. Josh gets some guys that reset

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the age of his core a little, which is certainly

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something to consider here as a team that is in

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eighth place and is looking to make some tangible improvements

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over the coming years. Like you said, it's not a blockbuster,

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but it's one of those smart trades that helps both teams,

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and from my perspective, the rich get richer a Mason.

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I'm thinking it's going to take a herculean effort to

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unseat one of Mason or Jack atop the Lord Stanley

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standings here Victor next, and this is I've been really

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excited to talk about these trades coming up. We're going

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to talk about a hallmark of the trade deadline, and

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that is the last Place selloff. Rob, who is also

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known as you Know who I Am on the KK

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last place team in tidy Yager about a month and

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a half ago, currently with only one win on the season,

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so this roster has a lot of work ahead to

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bring this team back to contention. And we're going to

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explore three deals that Rob made right before the trade deadline.

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Here he moved out veterans like Ovechkin, ek led Scheifleet,

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and Kine, and we'll talk about those guys in detail

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in just a second. We're going to start with a

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bit of a smaller deal with a very exciting return

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for Rob. He started out by throwing brock Nelson overboard,

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attaching the anchor of prospect Sam O'Reilly to him to

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acquire D plus two standout for the Spokane Chiefs Andrew Christall,

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which is just such a coup I love that player,

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and I love that Rob gets to enjoy him, perhaps

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alongside one of his teammates, which we'll get to in

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just a second. Rob had this to say that taking

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over a last place tiered Dynasty team in January was

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a bit tricky that he wanted to trade for as

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many young assets as possible while simultaneously avoiding relegation. He

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said that there's a good chance that the veterans on

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his roster that he's moved in these deals won't be

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playing next season, specifically Ovechkin Patrick Kane, although he's hoping

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that they have a few more years in them being

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a non playoff team, he wanted to avoid losing guys

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like that for nothing, so he would move them for anything,

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and so, just before the trade deadline, JB, who has

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featured in these tidy trade segments before, Hey, how you

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doing JB, reached out to him about brock Nelson, the

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consistent four point five Fantasy points per game guy in

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our league. He countered by asking for Christall and adding

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Sam O'Reilly to the deal. He took this as an

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opportunity at another elite prospect and loves Kristall because he's

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a Canadian boy twenty seven points in his last ten

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with Spokane. He's a dynamic, creative player with high end

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hockey IQ and JB knows this because he knows he

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gave up a really good prospect in Christall. His reasoning

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for this is that he has a very thin center

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line with Kirby Dock near the top of it, so

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that should tell you how thin it is, and he

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was looking for a center to fill that void. And

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so JB, knowing that he's fighting for relegation, wants to

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be competitive in his matchups and thought that brock Nelson

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would be good value. He's also heard some good things

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about Sam O'Reilly that he's not a sure thing like Christall,

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but that he's looking towards the future and felt that

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he needed a center badly. So he is happy with

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the deal getting that depth at the center, and JB

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also liked he did include I like to trade, which

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we know. We've talked about a lot of your deals, man,

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and it's so great that we get another one to

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talk about here. Victor. I'm not exactly sure where you

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are on Christall, but I've always been a big fan.

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He was left off the World Junior team again this

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year for Canada, and in hindsight, I bet they wish

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they could have added some of his scoring flare in

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that lineup. What do you think of selling Nelson for Christall?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think this really works as a win. I

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think how much it skews in one direction really boils

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down to Christall and what he ends up being. That's

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the big sticking point. There are wide ranging opinions on

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that player. I know JB mentioned that he's more for sure.

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I'm not so sure I would agree with that statement.

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I don't think he's a sure thing. He certainly has

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tremendous upside. I know I'd rather have him as a

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prospect than Sam O'Reilly. I think an NHL team might

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prefer Sam o'reiley because he's more of a high floor

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kind of guy. But Christall has so much talent. And

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I think this is a really good lesson that JB

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gave us. So that is, when you trade a really

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good high end player like Christall, you get something else back.

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You don't just you don't just go with whatever you're

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getting in terms of one player. You get a second

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piece as well. And so I think that you could

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this could have gone down as brock Nelson for Andrew Kristal,

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I think most people would have been like, yeah, that

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makes sense. You get a win now player, you get

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a high end prospect on the other side, but get

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something else. If you're giving the for sure, what do

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you think of the for sure thing or the high

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upside guy? Get something else. I'm not super high on

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Sam O'Reilly, but hey, that's good. You got another body,

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you got another piece, and you got another dart to throw,

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and maybe he'll be better than we all think, and

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at least we'll play some games soon and contribute that

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way as you're flexing him up and down. I think

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that's a really good thing to do. In terms of Krystal,

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I think he's going to be a star. Quite frankly,

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I'm on that side. I think he's just so smart

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and dynamic. I think that people worry about the feet,

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and I get it. You watch him and it's just rough,

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and you watch his play away from the puck and

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it's not great at times. But I think he's gotten

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a lot better with some of these things. And I

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think the offense and the brain, the way he sees

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and thinks the game is just so high and you're

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seeing right now what he's doing in Spokane. It's just bonkers.

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He's almost at three points per game. It's just ridiculous.

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So that's been really fun to see. And I do

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think he's been one of these guys at wherever he goes,

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he does amazing things. And him and Berkeley cadd and

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her I know we're going to talk about later big

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point production there for Spokane, and I think that's going

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to be that's going to be pretty fun to watch

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the rest of the way. I think that one of

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the issues that I've always worried about with him is

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that he needs a specific role, and so that does

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that's a bit concerning. He's not a guy that you

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can just throw in any situation. I think the obvious

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counter to that is look at someone like maclin CELEBRAINI.

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It doesn't matter what he's doing or what situation he's in,

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he makes it work because he's such a versatile player.

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Christall is a very specific type of player, the type

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that we like in fantasy because he has such huge

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points upside. But he might not fit into every coaching situation,

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every way that they want to make up their team.

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He could end up just being a third liner, top

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power play kind of guy, which would be far less exciting.

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But I think even at that, in that situation, he

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has a lot of value, So I like that. I

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think brock Nelson, we know who he is. He's really

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slow down this year. He looked really not great in

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that Four Nations tournament. I wonder if you has regretted

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bringing him compared to some other options. But I think

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that to me showed how much more he's declining. And

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I think that might have also spooked some people in

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terms of, you know, acquiring him and what the Islanders

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are thinking. But yeah, that's where I see this deal.

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I really don't think too much about Sam Oiley. He's fine,

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he's a piece. But Christall super exciting. What do you think?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm glad you're on the Christall trained with me,

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and it seems our tidy managers have a little bit

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of catching up to do on Christall, with most people

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voting for the consistent production from the brock star brock Nelson,

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although I do get it because he's been a great,

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if boring hold. We tried to move off of Nelson

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the BFFs ME and Edward I tried to move off

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of Nelson several times this year because despite being relatively productive,

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he can go on cold streaks. He's not been super

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exciting to hold this year, so we're hoping that he

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can heat up as he makes a case to get

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voted off the island to a better situation. But yeah,

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back to Christall, I think he has the potential to

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be a star producer on the wing with the capitals.

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You're right that he's going to need a specific role.

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I don't think you're going to see Andrew Kristall in

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a checking line. I don't think you're going to see

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him playing fourth line minutes. I think he probably has

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to be in the top six to get any kind

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of positive value out of him. But I think that

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there's room for that. They have a lot of great

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options coming up. They could have a top six that

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involves players like pro Toss, Christall, Ryan Leonard, Maverick Bork,

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p l Dubois, Connor McMichael, lots of great young guys

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who will be able to carry forward the legacy of

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alex Ovechkin. Here, and speaking of alex Ovechkin, Victor, why

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don't we talk about him for a little bit, because

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he's definitely not getting any attention from the media right now,

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which of course is a bit tongue in cheek because

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as of the time of this recording, he is eleven

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goals away from breaking Wayne Gretzky's record and looks poised

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to do it this season, which would be exciting. Which

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and this leads us to the rational for this next

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sale from Rob. He sells Alex Ovechkin to Tidy veteran

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manager Sasha Legarde for Andrew Christall's Spokane teammate Berkeley Catton,

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and this deal again voted quite in favor by our

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Tidy managers towards Sasha, although there is a significant component

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of the managers who are voting that it is even,

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which I would say it is. Rob had this to

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say that he moved Ovechkin for Berkeley Catton one for one.

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He's sure he could have gotten more, but that he

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didn't have that much time to make this deal, and Sasha,

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being super easy to work with, was a great trade partner.

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Rob says that he is stoked about acquiring Catton, another

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good old Canadian boy. We can see what Rob's priorities

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are here. With thirty two points in his last ten games,

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of Spokane. So there's a lot of great stuff going

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on in Spokane. From an offensive standpoint that Berkeley Catton

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is an elite skater and playmaker with an excellent shot,

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with hockey sense through the roof. So we're seeing what

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kind of player Rob values here, certainly in Kristall and Catton.

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Sasha had this to say, he was a winner in

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our previous Tidy Lidstrom Division last year, so he went

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into the dispersal draft this year having a plan for

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the next two to three seasons to eventually move up

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and get promoted to a higher tier. And so the

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majority of his lineup is either in their prime or

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their early thirties, and so acquiring someone like Ovechkin makes

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a lot of sense. Given that he's in third place

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currently in the division with the most points scored in

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the league. He wanted to bolster his position at wing,

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so trading Catton, who was about two to three seasons

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away from being an NHLer for Ov made sense for

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him since he thinks Ovechkin is on a mission to

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end the season as strong as he can. Sasha thinks

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he'll break the record early next season, but he didn't

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get the chance to see the hat trick that happened

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when I asked for this feedback, so maybe he would

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think differently. With the added weight of bangs. In this league,

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ov averages close to eight Fantasy points per game, which

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would make him his most productive wingers. If you're going

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to move an asset like Catten, you better get one

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of the most productive wingers in the game. Interestingly enough, Victor,

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both of these trades from Rob so far have been

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voted on very similarly by tidy managers. As I said,

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it's either voted evenly or that the win now side wins.

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00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:45,960
Where do you land on Ovechkin for Catton?

474
00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:51,119
Speaker 1: Wow? I just I love blockbusters like this right, And

475
00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:53,480
I just said, if you're giving up a huge piece,

476
00:23:53,559 --> 00:23:57,640
get something more. But I also appreciate rob sentimentoz Sometimes

477
00:23:57,640 --> 00:23:59,720
you just want to get it done right. You just

478
00:23:59,759 --> 00:24:03,920
want simplify and just smash except and it's a it's fair,

479
00:24:04,599 --> 00:24:07,559
So I like that. I wonder how many leagues OVI

480
00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:11,559
for Cadden gets made. I'm not sure that happens in

481
00:24:11,599 --> 00:24:13,519
a lot of leagues, and certainly in CAP leagues are

482
00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:16,519
some different connotation, but I love it. I have a

483
00:24:16,519 --> 00:24:19,559
feeling he Bobe breaks the record he's not that far away.

484
00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:23,880
Maybe he just retires, but then maybe unretires and just

485
00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:26,680
keeps going because that Russian machine can never break or quit.

486
00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:28,279
I think he's just going to push that record as

487
00:24:28,319 --> 00:24:31,079
high as possible. So I think he's getting a player.

488
00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:33,960
I think Slasha is getting a player. If he somehow

489
00:24:34,039 --> 00:24:37,359
doesn't get promoted, that is going to be around a

490
00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:40,279
little bit longer than this year. And yeah, he's at

491
00:24:40,319 --> 00:24:43,480
seven point eighty one fantasy points, is definitely one of

492
00:24:43,519 --> 00:24:46,920
the top in the league, and it's just looking fantastic.

493
00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:49,640
But I think this is a classic win because you

494
00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:51,480
look at you push your chips in, you get ov

495
00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:54,279
and I think people are sleeping on Cadden. I think

496
00:24:54,319 --> 00:24:56,519
maybe some of what they saw at the World Juniors

497
00:24:56,519 --> 00:24:58,559
maybe that soured them a little bit with what his

498
00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:01,519
potential is. But there was just a whole lot of

499
00:25:01,599 --> 00:25:04,400
dysfunction there for Team Canada. I don't think you can

500
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:06,519
blame that on Katten. I think he was actually really

501
00:25:06,559 --> 00:25:08,519
good for he created a lot of chances, not a

502
00:25:08,559 --> 00:25:11,480
lot of them went in. Personally, I think Berkeley Catten

503
00:25:11,559 --> 00:25:14,319
is the next Mark Schifley. He's not necessarily the most

504
00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:18,920
defensively adept, but he's okay, and he drives enough offense

505
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:21,079
that it's fine that you don't worry about it. That

506
00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:24,000
kid can just score. He shoots a ton, He's gonna

507
00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:26,279
generate a lot of offense. He actually, I'm looking at

508
00:25:26,319 --> 00:25:29,240
his Fantasy Hockey Life player card. He actually blocks more

509
00:25:29,279 --> 00:25:31,480
than I would have thought, so his bash ends up

510
00:25:31,519 --> 00:25:33,880
being in the ninetieth percentile, although he doesn't hit very

511
00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:35,960
much and he's a smaller guy, so that makes sense.

512
00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:39,839
But I love this. I love both sides win and

513
00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:45,160
as the managers tended to agree more even than favoring

514
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:47,680
one player, and I would agree with that. I think

515
00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:51,559
a lot of the favor the win now options. So sure,

516
00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:53,519
you look at Sasha and if you're in that position,

517
00:25:53,559 --> 00:25:57,319
you like getting ov, but I think you can certainly

518
00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:01,519
understand getting a great piece that be good for years

519
00:26:01,599 --> 00:26:02,799
to come and work the Catton.

520
00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:06,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love this approach just as much as you do.

521
00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:10,759
And just from Sasha's perspective, Sasha is trying to win

522
00:26:10,799 --> 00:26:13,160
as fast as possible to get up and join us

523
00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:16,960
in Lord Stanley, and looks like they will definitely be competitive,

524
00:26:17,319 --> 00:26:19,480
trying to move up another tier, having moved up from

525
00:26:19,519 --> 00:26:21,920
Lidstrom last year after a strong performance in twenty three

526
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:24,000
twenty four, But we might be looking at the same

527
00:26:24,039 --> 00:26:27,079
situation here for Sasha going into next season. Catton will

528
00:26:27,079 --> 00:26:29,839
probably take a few years, but Sasha will be relaxing,

529
00:26:30,039 --> 00:26:34,079
maybe in Lord Stanley or at least getting entrenched here

530
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:37,200
for a long fight up in that division, whereas Ovechkin

531
00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:39,279
could be many years retired by then by the time

532
00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:41,640
Catton gets in. Well, there we go secure the promotion

533
00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:44,079
for Sasha right off into the sunset, and I'd take

534
00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:46,119
that bet to have that story for the rest of

535
00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:50,160
my fantasy career. If Alex Ovechkin breaks the record and

536
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:52,680
then gets me up to the top division, that would

537
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:56,079
be pretty exciting. As for Catton, Rob this morning on

538
00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:59,240
the Discord shared his bookmarked list from Elite Prospects. It's

539
00:26:59,279 --> 00:27:01,559
a very exciting feat you can do over there where

540
00:27:01,599 --> 00:27:03,279
you can make a list of all the players you're

541
00:27:03,319 --> 00:27:07,400
following across many different leads and set a starting date

542
00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:09,920
of what he did this time, which was January first,

543
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:13,279
to see how all the prospects you're following are performing

544
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:17,200
across many different leagues. It's really an exciting tool at

545
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:19,720
Elite Prospects. There and the two players at the top

546
00:27:19,759 --> 00:27:21,839
of his list were Katon and Chris Stahl, with both

547
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:25,519
guys on fire with a Spokane team upwards of two

548
00:27:25,599 --> 00:27:28,759
and a quarter points per game. That's goals and assists,

549
00:27:28,839 --> 00:27:31,680
not even fantasy points for twenty twenty five. So the

550
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:34,119
future is looking super bright for Rob, at least with

551
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:38,160
those two young guys at the helm. But finally Victor,

552
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:41,839
we get to the pista resistance of Rob's trade deadline.

553
00:27:41,839 --> 00:27:44,519
In my opinion, there's lots of moving parts here, so

554
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:49,160
let's all pay attention here. Another tidy veteran manager, Josh Klima,

555
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:51,839
gets involved in this deal from the two spot in Yoger,

556
00:27:52,279 --> 00:27:56,400
acquiring Aaron Eckblad, Mark Schifley, and Patrick Kane to bolster

557
00:27:56,480 --> 00:28:00,480
his playoff roster for Cole Eiserman, Frank Nasar, and Comb.

558
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:04,160
Now we've talked a lot about Isserman on our previous episodes,

559
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:06,119
so we won't go into him as much, but I

560
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:07,960
do want to just read out the fantasy points for

561
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:11,519
games here. For these veteran players. We've got Mark Scheffley

562
00:28:11,559 --> 00:28:14,279
at six point two, Aaron ek Blab when he plays

563
00:28:14,279 --> 00:28:17,720
at five point two, and Patrick Kain at four point one.

564
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:21,880
So certainly all rosterable veterans and guys who will help

565
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:25,720
Josh push through in the playoff run. We do get Jackson, Lacomb,

566
00:28:25,799 --> 00:28:28,359
Frank Nazar and Cole Eisman. Going the other way, Lacomb

567
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:31,440
and Nasar have made impacts in their own ways in

568
00:28:31,519 --> 00:28:34,599
the NHL this year. Here's some of what Josh had

569
00:28:34,599 --> 00:28:38,000
to say that he didn't want to move Iiserman unless

570
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:40,240
he was getting a core piece back in a larger deal,

571
00:28:40,759 --> 00:28:44,559
and so Shifley felt he checked that box felt like

572
00:28:44,559 --> 00:28:46,960
a bit of a cell high on Iserman before he

573
00:28:47,039 --> 00:28:50,640
hits the Islanders roster grind, as well as Lacombe, who

574
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:53,559
currently is the PP one quarterback but still has a

575
00:28:53,559 --> 00:28:57,160
lot of talent competing for the role with Zelweger, Minchikov

576
00:28:57,240 --> 00:29:01,519
and Luno among the Anaeim Young defense its prospects. At

577
00:29:01,519 --> 00:29:03,119
the end of the day, he didn't want to ship

578
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:06,680
three premium futures for Shifley alone, but two felt reasonable

579
00:29:07,079 --> 00:29:09,680
that the ch Blad Lacomb swap was a crucial piece

580
00:29:09,799 --> 00:29:12,400
for both teams to get it done. From Rob's perspective,

581
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:15,599
he was just looking to sell Patrick Kaine in this deal.

582
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:17,920
He was going to have to package him with players

583
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:20,359
he didn't quite want to move, which is what happened.

584
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:24,599
Josh wasn't quite up for it, as we mentioned earlier there,

585
00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:27,839
so they settled on Eckblad, Schifley, and Kane for Lacomb,

586
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:31,279
Iiserman and Nasar. Rob had this to say about eck Blad,

587
00:29:31,279 --> 00:29:33,640
that his play in recent deployment made his trade value

588
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:37,319
good enough to include with lacomb coming back, and that

589
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:39,680
he's happy for Josh because Josh is an easy person

590
00:29:39,759 --> 00:29:42,359
to work with and is clearly investing in the playoffs

591
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:45,119
and trying to move up. And meanwhile, Rob can be

592
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:48,920
excited about these incoming players. Ierman can score Nasar and

593
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:51,079
Lacomb are in the pros now and it was important

594
00:29:51,119 --> 00:29:53,759
that he found young, productive NHLers for the build of

595
00:29:53,799 --> 00:29:56,359
his team, and he really shouted out the way that

596
00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:59,400
Nasar plays and how much of a playmaker he is.

597
00:30:00,279 --> 00:30:02,599
Rob had this to say to close out his comments

598
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:05,440
on all three deals, that he is super excited for

599
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:08,319
the bottom four tournament that's going to be so much fun,

600
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:10,960
and that he thinks it would be a hilarious tragedy

601
00:30:11,039 --> 00:30:13,480
if he still got relegated after all of this work,

602
00:30:13,799 --> 00:30:17,200
but that he feels confident about his chances. Victor, this

603
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:21,279
one's pretty fun. The Tidy managers vote overwhelmingly for Josh's win.

604
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:24,119
Now side again here with nobody giving Rob Any credit

605
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:26,279
for an expert cell job here. But where do you

606
00:30:26,279 --> 00:30:27,359
start breaking this one down?

607
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:31,960
Speaker 1: Yeah? I think back also to time getting hilariously relegated

608
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:36,200
after working so hard and Lord Stanley last year. It happens,

609
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:39,119
but you still you learn a lot from all those experiences,

610
00:30:39,119 --> 00:30:41,359
and it's still fun. No worries if it happens. I

611
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:44,240
love when this happens. I often find that this kind

612
00:30:44,319 --> 00:30:46,759
of thing happens to me. You go and look in

613
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:49,599
for one specific player, one option one for one, and

614
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:51,759
it kind of balloons into a two for two or

615
00:30:51,799 --> 00:30:54,519
three for three or even more. And I think sometimes

616
00:30:54,559 --> 00:30:57,599
that's easier. It's easier to equate assets across three for

617
00:30:57,720 --> 00:30:59,839
three than it is just one for one, because that

618
00:31:00,079 --> 00:31:02,680
might be really lopsided. But you start adding other pieces

619
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:05,000
and you can correlate the value a little bit easier,

620
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:08,039
and I think that makes sense. So I think Josh

621
00:31:08,039 --> 00:31:11,759
got three well above to well above replacement level pieces

622
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:14,839
and Rob got three excellent win later pieces. So when

623
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:17,200
I love it, I think the nhl R is a

624
00:31:17,279 --> 00:31:19,960
Josh God. I think we understand who those are, and

625
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:22,160
I think we know that they're going to be great.

626
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:23,799
We know who they are, they're going to be consistent.

627
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:26,960
So Shifley, we know he's going to be in that range.

628
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:29,880
I think Ekblad is going to be around where he is.

629
00:31:30,119 --> 00:31:33,960
Patrick Kin is probably the wild card here because we

630
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:35,440
don't know how much he has left in the tank,

631
00:31:35,519 --> 00:31:38,599
although he has looked he looks looked awesome at times

632
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:41,440
and then non existent in times, so I'm sure that

633
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:44,680
was part of the consideration how much more he has,

634
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:47,079
and I think he probably has maybe one more year

635
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:50,279
of relevancy. We'll have to see. On the other hand,

636
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:52,839
I love this for Rob. I think people are not giving,

637
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:56,119
as you said, not giving him enough credit, giving him

638
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:59,519
just one person voting for him and one person voting

639
00:31:59,519 --> 00:32:02,000
for even I think that should have been much closer

640
00:32:02,039 --> 00:32:04,960
than ninety five percent in favor of Josh, because I

641
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:07,960
think people are massively sleeping on Jackson Lacombe. He is

642
00:32:08,079 --> 00:32:10,079
so good, He's on a forty six point pace, and

643
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:14,160
his metrics suggested he's even getting a bit unlucky. Crazy

644
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:17,640
to think though he is shooting a bit high, and

645
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:20,720
his powerplay ipp is a little high. I don't think

646
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:24,440
that should be seventy one. But he actually is driving

647
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:28,400
the offense literally statistically about as well as you can

648
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:31,119
in terms of his expected goals above replacement. That is

649
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:34,119
wild to think for such a young defenseman on a

650
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:37,240
let's be honest, not great team. And he is a

651
00:32:37,359 --> 00:32:39,880
big reason why the Ducks have turned around their play

652
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:42,720
and are actually sniffing around the playoffs right now. I

653
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:45,359
don't think they'll make it, but they're playing some relevant games,

654
00:32:45,359 --> 00:32:47,680
which is good to see. I think his bash is

655
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:49,799
also pretty decent. Of course, you would like him to

656
00:32:49,799 --> 00:32:52,240
shoot and hit a little bit more, but that's not bad.

657
00:32:52,319 --> 00:32:54,240
And you love the power play time on ice. He's

658
00:32:54,319 --> 00:32:57,160
getting twenty one total minutes on ice. It's just all

659
00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:59,960
coming up with comb For me. I love that so Frankly,

660
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:02,279
if he didn't get anyone else, that would have been

661
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:06,640
pretty decent. But he did get Frank Lee Moore, Frank Nazar,

662
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:09,400
to be exact, Frank the Tank, who's a bit underrated.

663
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:11,480
I think I know he's a small guy. There's some

664
00:33:11,519 --> 00:33:15,079
worries about him and Badard being smaller guys without someone else,

665
00:33:15,119 --> 00:33:16,640
But I don't know that's going to be an issue.

666
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:18,519
I'm sure they can. I'm sure they're going to address

667
00:33:18,559 --> 00:33:21,000
that in the offseason. They already brought in Fellino, They

668
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:23,200
have some other guys there who are a bit bigger,

669
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:26,279
and I think that they're gonna work that out. Nazzarre

670
00:33:26,359 --> 00:33:28,920
belongs in the NHL. He's showing he's got a lot

671
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:31,319
of creativity and a lot of offense. I think he's

672
00:33:31,319 --> 00:33:33,599
going to settle in to be above average NHLer and

673
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:36,880
above average Fantasy. Not necessarily top of your lineup guy,

674
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:39,559
but above replacement levels. So you love that, and then

675
00:33:39,599 --> 00:33:42,599
you have a huge wildcard in Cole Eiserman. Right, he's

676
00:33:42,599 --> 00:33:44,599
coming along. But he played a specific role at the

677
00:33:44,599 --> 00:33:46,960
World Juniors and he did it really He scored when

678
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:48,799
he needed. All he does is score clutch goals. Right,

679
00:33:48,799 --> 00:33:50,200
didn't he score a big one on the bean pot

680
00:33:50,279 --> 00:33:52,359
or something like that. I can't remember exactly, but there's

681
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:54,920
been a bunch of instances where he's done some really

682
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:57,200
good He's come up clutch, and I think he's a

683
00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:59,759
guy who could easily be thirty thirty to thirty five

684
00:33:59,759 --> 00:34:02,119
goals guy in the NHL. The real question for me

685
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:04,599
is does he get enough assist to get above thirty,

686
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:06,640
because he might not. He might end up just getting

687
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:10,159
twenty or twenty five, but still with the goals, and

688
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:12,880
depending on the line, if it's driving enough, his Tidy

689
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:16,159
points per game might be either good to really good.

690
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:19,440
So I love it. I love all three pieces he got,

691
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:23,079
And you know you're losing Kine, who probably isn't gonna

692
00:34:23,079 --> 00:34:25,559
matter that much. Eck Blad is going to be a

693
00:34:25,559 --> 00:34:28,480
decent hole to replace, and certainly Mark Trifley is a

694
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:31,719
big piece that he's losing. But I think you're getting

695
00:34:32,119 --> 00:34:34,239
really solid returns. So I love it.

696
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:34,559
Speaker 2: Ryan.

697
00:34:34,599 --> 00:34:35,119
Speaker 1: What do you think?

698
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:40,159
Speaker 2: Yeah? I like the deal too. You're definitely not wrong

699
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:42,920
on Lacombe, who in his age twenty five season is

700
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:47,000
basically exactly even with Aaron eck Bladd in fantasy points

701
00:34:47,079 --> 00:34:49,920
in the tidy eck Blad who was four years older

702
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:54,000
and a billion times more injured probably than lacomb So

703
00:34:54,119 --> 00:34:56,480
that's a win. I think. I think Rob wins that

704
00:34:56,559 --> 00:35:00,360
side of the trade pretty decisively. So Rob, you look

705
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:03,440
at the other pieces, he's obviously hoping he's acquired the

706
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:07,199
Islander's future top line winger with Barzel and hoping beyond

707
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:10,039
hope that he doesn't turn into an Oliver Wallstrom or

708
00:35:10,039 --> 00:35:12,880
a Sievon Holmstrom who kind of falls into the middle

709
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:16,639
six and becomes irrelevant. And of course he, like you said,

710
00:35:16,679 --> 00:35:19,440
he's probably acquired Chicago's two c for life here in

711
00:35:19,559 --> 00:35:24,320
nas Nasar definitely a positive value return piece there. And

712
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:26,480
the plus is that at least Nasar and the Combe

713
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:30,639
can contribute now in his relegation playoffs while having the

714
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:34,159
upside of the age regardless, So it definitely works out

715
00:35:34,199 --> 00:35:37,960
for Rob. That being said, if I had these players

716
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:41,880
on the bff's Mark scheif Lee, Aaron ek Blad, Patrick Kane,

717
00:35:42,199 --> 00:35:44,880
they'd be staying because it's obvious that Shifley is more

718
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:48,519
valuable now as he crashes through Kobalchuks Thrashers Jets scoring

719
00:35:48,559 --> 00:35:51,840
record last night at the time of this deal. That's sorry,

720
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:54,039
at the time this record, I should say, but it's

721
00:35:54,039 --> 00:35:55,840
a nice move for Rob who is starting the long,

722
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:58,000
slow climb to the top and hopefully getting some guys

723
00:35:58,039 --> 00:36:00,000
who are playing right now in Nasar and the Cone

724
00:36:00,599 --> 00:36:03,840
can help him stave off relegation. Here. I want to

725
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:06,639
also just highlight here that the tighter, tidy Yager playoff

726
00:36:06,679 --> 00:36:09,119
run should come with the tagline brought to you by

727
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:11,760
Rob as he has pumped up the second and third

728
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:15,760
place teams, making Shifley, Kine, Ovechkin and Eckblad relevant again

729
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:18,480
in the Yogur division as these teams fight tooth and

730
00:36:18,559 --> 00:36:20,679
nail for a promotion to the higher tears. Thanks Rob

731
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:23,840
for the entertainment and way to go. We're gonna take

732
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:25,559
a quick break here and when we come back, we're

733
00:36:25,599 --> 00:36:29,559
going to shine the interrogation spotlight on Victor Nuno himself

734
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:32,400
and ask him to defend several trades he made one

735
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:41,599
lonely night in Vancouver. You're listening to tidy Takes.

736
00:36:41,599 --> 00:36:42,280
Speaker 1: There's a weapon.

737
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:52,800
Speaker 2: As I mentioned before the break, it's time to really

738
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:55,880
get in there with everyone's favorite EP ringside writer and

739
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:59,760
dabber prospects at her, Victor Nuno, Victor, why don't you

740
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:01,960
say the scene for us a little bit here? I

741
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:04,719
seem to recall that you were delayed at Vancouver's airport

742
00:37:05,079 --> 00:37:07,360
and instead of looking at all the beautiful art that

743
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:10,840
features prominently in the departure's lounge there, you decided to

744
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:13,199
take a wrecking ball to your team and Lord Stanley.

745
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:16,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is true. I was sitting in the airport.

746
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:18,800
Every time, I feel like every time I've gone to Vancouver,

747
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:20,559
I get delayed on the way back. So that was

748
00:37:20,599 --> 00:37:23,800
just one other instance, three hour delay this time. It's

749
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:25,280
one of those things where you're sitting there and you

750
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:28,079
just keep getting alerts that it's just it's longer and longer.

751
00:37:28,599 --> 00:37:30,760
I think you and I were actually messaging during that time,

752
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:33,000
and yeah, so I was also in the middle of

753
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:36,639
having my soul absolutely crushed by Jack Zie who it

754
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:40,559
was this long matchup that was extended, and it was

755
00:37:40,679 --> 00:37:44,039
just every day was getting worse and worse, and there

756
00:37:44,119 --> 00:37:46,679
was just no chance that I had, you know, of

757
00:37:46,679 --> 00:37:49,559
making the playoffs. And so you know, those two, Jack

758
00:37:49,599 --> 00:37:51,079
and Mason, those two are in a league of their

759
00:37:51,119 --> 00:37:54,719
own and they're just they're fantastic. Anyways, so I picked

760
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:57,719
my soul out of the crusher and decided that I

761
00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:00,000
needed to acquire some assets to do better the next time,

762
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:02,280
because this year really wasn't going to happen. It's funny

763
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:06,039
how this happens, because when mostly you don't want to

764
00:38:06,079 --> 00:38:07,880
finish in the middle, it's like the worst place to be,

765
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:09,880
right you want to be a rebuilder, or you want

766
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:12,360
to be a contender. But in tidy Lord Stanley, I

767
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:13,360
feel like it's not too bad.

768
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:13,599
Speaker 2: Right.

769
00:38:13,639 --> 00:38:15,559
Speaker 1: It's a good thing. You're at the top, in the

770
00:38:15,599 --> 00:38:18,719
top division and you actually don't have to worry one

771
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:20,960
way or the other. You can sell, you can retool.

772
00:38:21,039 --> 00:38:23,400
You can't really retool if you're at the bottom because

773
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:26,559
you need those players to win, try to win first overall,

774
00:38:26,679 --> 00:38:29,360
or try to improve your draft stock or avoid relegation.

775
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:31,679
But in the middle you can do that. I'd love

776
00:38:31,679 --> 00:38:33,119
to be playing for the ship, but it just wasn't

777
00:38:33,119 --> 00:38:34,880
in the cards this year, so I think it made

778
00:38:35,079 --> 00:38:38,400
make sense to do to retool. And I'm pretty happy

779
00:38:38,679 --> 00:38:42,000
that I was able to be a dispersal team and

780
00:38:42,639 --> 00:38:44,920
at least land in the fat middle. So I'm happy

781
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:48,079
with that. And it was time to just not necessarily

782
00:38:48,159 --> 00:38:50,119
totally blow it up, but to really move on from

783
00:38:50,159 --> 00:38:52,920
some pieces and get whatever I could that would improve

784
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:53,480
me next year.

785
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:56,480
Speaker 2: One of the nice things Victor about finishing in the

786
00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:58,760
middle in the tidy, and one of the reasons why

787
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:00,440
I think this happens and why it's not that big

788
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:03,239
of a deal, is that we don't really allow draft

789
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:06,559
pick trading except for the small window that happens prior

790
00:39:06,679 --> 00:39:11,239
to and including the entry draft. For the Tidy leagues,

791
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:13,440
we don't allow you to trade your draft picks during

792
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:16,960
the year, and so you are really relying on your

793
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:20,960
team getting better over time, improving with age or with

794
00:39:21,159 --> 00:39:24,320
increased opportunity, or you have to trade your way out

795
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:26,239
of it, which is what you've decided to do here.

796
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:28,440
So let me set it up a little bit. Victor

797
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:31,360
has traded a few NHL pro pieces here in Braiden

798
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:35,679
Shen and Can York, two Steel City Stars, who is

799
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:37,519
facing us right now in the first round of the

800
00:39:37,559 --> 00:39:40,760
Tidy playoffs. So thanks a lot, Victor for trading those

801
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:43,159
veterans to this team that we are trying to beat

802
00:39:43,639 --> 00:39:47,679
and taking away from him. San Jose also ran Nikolai Covalenko,

803
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:51,920
prospect d for Utah, Maverick Lameru and the gem of

804
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:55,079
this deal and I know you feel this way prospect

805
00:39:55,079 --> 00:39:58,480
winger Quentin Musty, And just to set it up here

806
00:39:58,519 --> 00:40:00,119
a little bit, Braiden Sheen is about a four four

807
00:40:00,119 --> 00:40:02,199
and a half Fantasy points per game player, Cam York

808
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:05,840
a lot less at three point twenty five. Maverick in

809
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:09,800
his limited appearances has been below replacement level, but he

810
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:12,280
is still so young at twenty one years old, and

811
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:16,320
Kovalenko certainly is a bottom of the roster replacement level forward,

812
00:40:16,519 --> 00:40:19,679
just sub three Fantasy points per game. The Steel City

813
00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:22,519
Stars had this to say about the deal, saying that

814
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:26,039
they've made a bad series of deals lately. I'm sorry

815
00:40:26,039 --> 00:40:27,840
that you feel that way at Steel City, but as

816
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:29,920
your opponent this week, I'm very happy to hear that.

817
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:32,920
She says he's not sure why, but in an earlier

818
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:37,400
deal he moved Grandland and Slaven for prospects Cancerov and Muse.

819
00:40:37,519 --> 00:40:39,280
I like Roman Cancerov, by the way, so I don't

820
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:41,480
think that's big of a that's that big of a loss.

821
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:44,639
By the way, steel City, just so you know, because

822
00:40:44,639 --> 00:40:46,960
he had so many sit start decisions and was only

823
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:49,360
getting Grantland in one or two times a week, and

824
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:51,119
that when he got Grand Linden, he was sitting in

825
00:40:51,159 --> 00:40:53,440
equivalent players, so he figured he'd move some older guys

826
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:56,239
and get some future value. So bringing you to the

827
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:58,639
deal with Victor, he reversed course in his head and

828
00:40:58,679 --> 00:41:01,360
said that he needed more depth and so went after

829
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:04,639
Shen thinking he would be a solid contributor. He did

830
00:41:04,679 --> 00:41:07,519
mention in his message to me that Shen is playing

831
00:41:07,559 --> 00:41:10,679
seven times in the matchup against the BFF, So again,

832
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:13,719
thanks a lot, Victor. As for York, he does really

833
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:15,719
like him as a hockey player. He's only twenty four.

834
00:41:16,039 --> 00:41:18,039
Figured that he would take the gamble in the hopes

835
00:41:18,039 --> 00:41:20,000
that he puts it together because he is decent on

836
00:41:20,079 --> 00:41:22,199
the eye test for him as he is for many people,

837
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:25,519
myself included. He knows that the numbers aren't fantastic for

838
00:41:25,639 --> 00:41:27,880
him in Philadelphia, but that he moves the puck well.

839
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:31,079
He hopes that he eventually moves on from Philly and

840
00:41:31,199 --> 00:41:33,440
that he the original offer of Victor, and you can

841
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:35,880
maybe take us through a little bit from your perspective. Now,

842
00:41:36,159 --> 00:41:38,679
the original offer had Musty, which I'm sure you would

843
00:41:38,679 --> 00:41:41,480
have liked as well as Atu Ratu and Emil Heineman,

844
00:41:41,559 --> 00:41:43,880
who are I would say, be to your prospects. Maybe

845
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:46,719
even c Steele City said that they don't have a

846
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:49,360
great read on Musty and to make a small splash

847
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:51,519
for the playoff run would move him based on what

848
00:41:51,599 --> 00:41:54,280
he's read from the risk level that he is interpreted

849
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:57,159
from scouts of Musty, So he figures this pretty low

850
00:41:57,239 --> 00:42:00,800
risk to really lose out on this swap, you countered

851
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:03,719
and wanted Lamaru, and Steel City had this to say

852
00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:05,880
about Lamaru that he picked him up on free agency

853
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:08,280
last year, so it didn't cost him anything, and that

854
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:11,280
with players like Bixel, Lefshinov and Bruniki, that he had

855
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:13,920
some DTA spare on his back end. In the end,

856
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:16,159
Steel City is not sure that they had the best

857
00:42:16,199 --> 00:42:18,719
series of trades here, but needed some depth in SHN

858
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:21,199
and York to compete in these playoffs. I'm going to

859
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:22,719
throw it right to you, Victor, what do you make

860
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:25,079
of Steel City's thoughts on this and what's your side

861
00:42:25,079 --> 00:42:25,599
of all of this.

862
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:28,400
Speaker 1: I think it's so hard to make trades in Lord Stanley.

863
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:30,960
It's strange. As I mentioned, the middle teams are the

864
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:34,559
biggest sellers. The top and bottom teams are typically buyers.

865
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:37,559
Sometimes the bottom teams feel okay and they feel a

866
00:42:37,599 --> 00:42:39,679
little safe and they might sell some pieces, but you

867
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:42,320
got to be careful. You can't get relegated, right, So

868
00:42:43,039 --> 00:42:47,280
it's really tricky. So I think that's the part of

869
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:49,239
the issue. I'm in the bracket where I can win

870
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:52,920
fifth overall, I finished twelfth, so at worst I finish twelfth,

871
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:56,159
and that's fine. If I can do better and get

872
00:42:56,199 --> 00:42:57,840
up to fifth, great, but I'm not going to push

873
00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:00,639
my chips into Andrew improve my draft stock by a

874
00:43:00,679 --> 00:43:03,400
few places and fifth overall is fine, but it's not

875
00:43:04,079 --> 00:43:06,079
that amazing, not a huge deal for me. If I

876
00:43:06,119 --> 00:43:08,639
end up just sticking at twelfth and I was going

877
00:43:08,679 --> 00:43:10,559
to move some pieces, it's actually the perfect place to

878
00:43:10,599 --> 00:43:13,480
be in. I think twelfth is the perfect place to

879
00:43:13,519 --> 00:43:16,119
sell as much as you can to contenders or people

880
00:43:16,119 --> 00:43:18,760
who want win now pieces. Yeah, do that, Yolo, is

881
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:22,280
what my attitude was. I love Quentin Musty. I think

882
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:24,800
the kid has top line winger upside all day long.

883
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:27,679
Probably more of a line two realistically, but he has

884
00:43:27,679 --> 00:43:31,280
that upside to get there. He bangs. He put him

885
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:33,480
next to Celebrini, and I think those two can work

886
00:43:33,519 --> 00:43:35,400
magic together. I saw a little bit of that at

887
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:39,440
the Prospect scrimmage that I went to, and you could

888
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:42,719
just tell that there's some chemistry there. I've been honestly

889
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:46,199
skeptical of Lamerou. I think that Arizona back in the

890
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:49,239
day and now Utah I drafted him because with the

891
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:53,719
measuring tape, I think that he has indisputable physical attributes.

892
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:56,159
But I think He's come a long way based on

893
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:58,920
his game since then, and he's going to get a

894
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:01,760
million chances because of the frame and the fact that

895
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:06,280
he can move. Okay, So he's someone that I wanted

896
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:08,840
and the fact that he's his proximity to the NHL

897
00:44:09,039 --> 00:44:12,440
is close, and so whenever I'm doing a trade like this,

898
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:16,199
I want guys that I think can contribute when I

899
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:17,800
need them to, which for me, is going to be

900
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:20,320
next year. So is must he going to be available

901
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:23,880
next year? Maybe he might make the team and contribute. Realistically,

902
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:26,199
it might be two years, but he's on that time frame.

903
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:29,679
Lamaru is right there. He should Lamro, he should get

904
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:33,639
opportunity next year. So I like that. Covalenko is whatever.

905
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:35,480
I watched him a couple of times in person this

906
00:44:35,559 --> 00:44:38,360
year and he's got some sneaky good skill and in

907
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:40,320
the right situation, I think he can be good, but

908
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:42,159
I don't know that will happen. So that was just

909
00:44:42,199 --> 00:44:45,000
a throw in, and he was injured at the time,

910
00:44:45,039 --> 00:44:47,440
so could throw him on the IR ended up moving

911
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:50,679
some other guys around or dropping so it was fine.

912
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:54,280
But I really want the games played with Lamro. I

913
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:56,039
think he's going to have a pretty decent floor and

914
00:44:56,079 --> 00:44:58,519
being able to flex him up and down is going

915
00:44:58,559 --> 00:45:02,079
to be nice and musty. He's just, you know, he's

916
00:45:02,079 --> 00:45:04,000
someone that I really wanted. That was the focal point.

917
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:06,880
As you mentioned, losing Shan to me is no biggie.

918
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:09,519
He looks cooked. Maybe he gets moved there talking about

919
00:45:09,519 --> 00:45:12,159
moving him at the deadline. Maybe if he does, he's

920
00:45:12,199 --> 00:45:14,159
gonna get moved down the lineup. So I'm not too

921
00:45:14,159 --> 00:45:16,239
worried about that. I'm not too worried about losing him

922
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:19,320
in the future. York. I do really like York. In fact,

923
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:21,519
I think I mentioned early on in the season, I

924
00:45:21,599 --> 00:45:26,360
had a York for Alexei protest deal in my inbox

925
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:28,920
waiting for me to accept it. And this is when

926
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:31,719
protest was just breaking out, and I just wasn't sure. Man.

927
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:34,239
I wish I had smashed that accept button because he's

928
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:37,119
so good now. But I still think York is still

929
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:39,280
really good defenceman. I think I'm just not sure he's

930
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:41,159
ever going to be as valuable as we would like

931
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:44,840
him to be in fantasy, or he deserves to be.

932
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:47,440
Maybe with the right usage he can get up to

933
00:45:47,679 --> 00:45:50,760
a bit above replacement, closer to average. But I'm just

934
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:52,880
not confident in that. That's why I was fine moving on.

935
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:56,119
But I do still like him and I certainly rooting

936
00:45:56,159 --> 00:45:56,519
for him.

937
00:45:56,599 --> 00:46:01,760
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, York is He's an player for sure. Like

938
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:04,480
I said earlier, he does pass the eye test, and

939
00:46:04,519 --> 00:46:06,840
he does a lot of things. I don't know. There's

940
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:09,840
just a lot of competition in Philadelphia for that role,

941
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:12,440
I think, and there's a lot of unpredictability with Towarts

942
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:14,679
at the Helm. And even if Towarts moves on and

943
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:16,559
is not the coach anymore, the rumor is that he

944
00:46:16,639 --> 00:46:19,679
will move into the front office and you know, into

945
00:46:19,679 --> 00:46:22,239
the managing staff, and so who knows what kind of

946
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:24,639
chance York will get. You know, I do think it

947
00:46:24,639 --> 00:46:27,480
would be better if he maybe moved somewhere else and

948
00:46:27,599 --> 00:46:30,639
got the opportunity to, you know, Erasmus Sandin moving to

949
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:33,719
Washington and immediately jumping into the top four there. I

950
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:36,440
wonder if York could do the same thing for another team.

951
00:46:37,039 --> 00:46:39,679
Either way, I think in this case, your team and

952
00:46:39,679 --> 00:46:41,519
Steel City both get what they're looking for. At the

953
00:46:41,599 --> 00:46:43,400
end of the day, steel City gets depth for the

954
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:45,880
playoffs and you get Quentin Musty, which is all you

955
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:49,159
really wanted. Let's be honest. We've talked about Maverick topping

956
00:46:49,159 --> 00:46:51,360
out at a top four defenseman, which certainly has some

957
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:54,039
value in our league. Covalenco is someone you could throw

958
00:46:54,039 --> 00:46:56,239
in the lineup once or twice every two weeks and

959
00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:59,440
get something from. But yeah, Musty is the prize here,

960
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:02,360
and I think people are really undervaluing Musty because of

961
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:05,079
his heavy boots. But I think his skating has started

962
00:47:05,119 --> 00:47:08,559
to improve, and it's the most developable trait that you

963
00:47:08,599 --> 00:47:11,280
can have in a player, is skating. Just get him

964
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:13,880
with the skating coach three times a week, see what happens.

965
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:15,800
So I think he will continue to improve. He is

966
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:18,119
starting to develop the pace that he needs to compete

967
00:47:18,199 --> 00:47:21,440
in pro hockey. I do have a quick logic puzzle

968
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:23,280
for you here and you can maybe tell me what

969
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:26,760
you think about this. Misa is to Egor Chernishov, and

970
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:31,119
that's Michael Misa, not Luke. Michael Misa is to Igor Chernishev,

971
00:47:31,519 --> 00:47:34,960
as Maclin Celabrini is to Quintin Musty.

972
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:38,440
Speaker 1: I'm not exactly sure where you're going with those, but

973
00:47:38,519 --> 00:47:41,679
if you think that they are complimentary pieces that could

974
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:45,000
absolutely thrive together, then I'm totally on board. With that,

975
00:47:45,119 --> 00:47:48,880
and I Chernishov is someone we weren't planning on discussing,

976
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:51,039
But man, does he look out of place in the OHL.

977
00:47:51,119 --> 00:47:54,440
He's just destroying the competition there. He looks great. He

978
00:47:54,519 --> 00:47:57,079
looked great. He looked great before when I've seen him.

979
00:47:57,599 --> 00:48:01,480
And yeah, Michael Misa, we'll see where San Jose finishes.

980
00:48:01,519 --> 00:48:03,159
It looks like they're going to finish at the bottom.

981
00:48:03,599 --> 00:48:06,239
I feel like they'll take Shaeffer if they're there, but

982
00:48:06,519 --> 00:48:08,960
if not, there's a lot of pretty exciting forwards because

983
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:10,920
this is not a great defenseman draft, so I feel

984
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:13,679
like it's either Shaefer for them or a forward. I

985
00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:15,760
think Mysa would be incredible and talk about a one

986
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:18,360
to two punch down the middle. Holy Moly, that would

987
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:19,000
be incredible.

988
00:48:20,199 --> 00:48:22,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just wondering if I imagine the San Jose

989
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:25,199
scouts are seeing a lot of Mesa right now because

990
00:48:25,199 --> 00:48:29,360
of Cheronashev. They're probably paying attention to Chernishev's meteoric rise

991
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:32,320
of the Ohl right now on the wing with Misa,

992
00:48:32,679 --> 00:48:35,199
and so I wonder if we're looking at a potential

993
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:38,599
one two pairing, maybe you throw a Will Smith in

994
00:48:38,679 --> 00:48:41,199
on one of those lines too, and San Jose is

995
00:48:41,199 --> 00:48:43,840
looking like they could be pretty sick in that top six.

996
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:47,119
Do you want to talk more about Cam York New

997
00:48:47,159 --> 00:48:47,760
York Is.

998
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:50,679
Speaker 1: I think he's a really good hockey player. I think

999
00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:52,599
he may not ever be that good in fantasy. I

1000
00:48:52,639 --> 00:48:56,199
notice his ozone dropped by almost ten percent this year,

1001
00:48:56,280 --> 00:49:00,519
and I think that's partially because it's not really Offense

1002
00:49:00,599 --> 00:49:02,960
isn't necessarily his jam. He's not a guy who's super

1003
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:06,119
dynamic offensively and that you need a shelter. But he's

1004
00:49:06,159 --> 00:49:08,639
an all situations kind of guy who can chip in offensively.

1005
00:49:09,079 --> 00:49:11,679
His defensive metrics are off the charge. He's a ninetieth

1006
00:49:11,679 --> 00:49:14,760
percentile defender. Sometimes people just look at him and say, oh,

1007
00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:17,119
he's small, he can't defend. That is totally not true.

1008
00:49:17,559 --> 00:49:19,960
But he also isn't like a power play specialist kind

1009
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:22,480
of guy. So if you want him to do more offensively,

1010
00:49:22,519 --> 00:49:25,079
I think you're going to be left wanting. So he's

1011
00:49:25,119 --> 00:49:28,320
a good player. I think with a different coach, maybe

1012
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:31,199
he gets put more into that role, but I think

1013
00:49:31,199 --> 00:49:33,800
that's miscast for him. So I think this is more

1014
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:35,880
or less who he is. He's never going to be

1015
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:38,320
a Tyson Barry, but maybe he could be Vince Dunn.

1016
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:40,400
That's the name I came up with. And if you remember,

1017
00:49:40,519 --> 00:49:44,519
Vince Dunn was pretty boring for years in Saint Louis,

1018
00:49:44,519 --> 00:49:47,199
and then now that he's gone to Seattle, he's had

1019
00:49:47,199 --> 00:49:51,719
some pretty exciting seasons and got paid and looks like

1020
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:53,920
a kind of different player. So maybe or could be that.

1021
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:58,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, I really like that comparison. York was this player

1022
00:49:58,239 --> 00:50:02,239
who was formally described as highly skilled with impressive hockey sense,

1023
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:04,960
very mobile, with a good passing game and a quick release,

1024
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:07,880
and he's solid defensively, and so that does sound like

1025
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:10,599
Vince Dunn. And as a Vince Done owner, I'd be

1026
00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:12,360
very happy with York if he turned out to be

1027
00:50:12,679 --> 00:50:16,199
similar to Vince, just not in this fantasy playoffs. If

1028
00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:19,000
you please, Steel City, I'd be very happy for him

1029
00:50:19,039 --> 00:50:21,159
to stay mid until the end of next week. So

1030
00:50:21,519 --> 00:50:23,880
let's just keep a lid on it until then, and

1031
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:25,639
then you can go off as much as you want,

1032
00:50:25,679 --> 00:50:28,480
Cam York, and now Victor, we have a bit of

1033
00:50:28,519 --> 00:50:30,880
an interesting discussion to have here. It's one that we

1034
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:35,239
haven't really talked much about in the preparation of this episode.

1035
00:50:35,519 --> 00:50:38,280
As I mentioned, we've been talking all morning about trades

1036
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:40,679
in our other dynasty league. But this is actually a

1037
00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:44,679
trade that the BFFs and you your team made when

1038
00:50:44,679 --> 00:50:47,440
you were stuck in that Vancouver airport. We did make

1039
00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:52,039
a trade to improve our prospects in the playoffs going forward. Here,

1040
00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:57,159
the BFFs Ed and Rye Raie acquire Sergei, Bobrovski and

1041
00:50:57,320 --> 00:51:02,719
Zachary LaRue from Victor's team for prospect center slash winger

1042
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:07,679
Joshua Raw of the Montreal Canadiens, goaltender Joel Blumkfist for Pittsburgh,

1043
00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:12,559
and d defender Luca Cannoni of the aforementioned San Jose

1044
00:51:12,679 --> 00:51:17,000
Sharks and Victor. The tiny managers are voting overwhelmingly sixty

1045
00:51:17,079 --> 00:51:20,119
six percent in favor of the BFFs here. How do

1046
00:51:20,159 --> 00:51:21,639
you respond to them?

1047
00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:25,880
Speaker 1: Lies? No, I'm just kidding. I think that's fair. I

1048
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:28,039
think most of these polls have shown they favor the

1049
00:51:28,079 --> 00:51:30,480
win now side, and that's fair. Bob, I think is

1050
00:51:30,559 --> 00:51:32,519
by far the best player in this deal, so there's

1051
00:51:32,559 --> 00:51:34,960
no issue with that, and I think he's got a

1052
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:36,599
lot of game left him. Some people might look at

1053
00:51:36,639 --> 00:51:38,599
him and say he's thirty six years old, so he

1054
00:51:38,639 --> 00:51:40,760
doesn't have much more left. I would definitely push back

1055
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:42,719
on that. I wouldn't be too worried about the decline

1056
00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:46,480
save for injury, which highly flexible goalies can be prone

1057
00:51:46,519 --> 00:51:48,960
to injury. Not wishing that on him, but certainly the

1058
00:51:49,079 --> 00:51:51,440
kind of guys like him can play into their forties.

1059
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:54,679
Certainly elite goaltenders one a Stanley Cup one vesnas he's

1060
00:51:55,239 --> 00:51:57,039
a guy who can stick around. I pulled up a

1061
00:51:57,079 --> 00:52:00,159
list on Kwan Hockey of goalies who played in their

1062
00:52:00,239 --> 00:52:04,679
forties and just think, closureize, and think, because I did

1063
00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:06,599
this from memory and I only came up with a

1064
00:52:06,599 --> 00:52:08,159
few names, but then when I looked it up, there

1065
00:52:08,199 --> 00:52:12,119
are a lot of names on here. Dwayne Rolison, Ed belfour, Hashik,

1066
00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:16,360
Greg Anderson, Martin Berder, Marc Andre Fleury was doing it now,

1067
00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:19,320
Ryan Miller. A lot of these guys towards the bottom

1068
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:21,639
of the list only played a few games, But you

1069
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:24,360
have at least half the list here who played thirty plus,

1070
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:28,440
which is pretty impressive. So I think that Bob could

1071
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:30,519
certainly be in that category. So you're looking at least

1072
00:52:30,559 --> 00:52:33,400
four more seasons of production from him, So I think

1073
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:38,320
that's fine. LaRue. I think he can be a contributor

1074
00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:39,960
if he can learn to tow the line a little

1075
00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:42,159
bit better avoid suspension, which I think he can. I

1076
00:52:42,199 --> 00:52:44,280
think he can be Tom Wilson light and so that's

1077
00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:47,719
pretty cool. I'm sure you're loving that. And Joshua had

1078
00:52:47,719 --> 00:52:49,360
a tough year. I think it sounded like I thought

1079
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:51,199
he had a roster spot locked up based on last

1080
00:52:51,239 --> 00:52:53,599
year's play, which was really impressive, but it didn't sound

1081
00:52:53,639 --> 00:52:55,920
like he showed well in camp and so he had

1082
00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:57,440
a little bit more work to do in the AHL.

1083
00:52:57,480 --> 00:53:00,840
I still think he's a top six player, top power

1084
00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:03,519
play kind of guy. He just always worked his way

1085
00:53:03,559 --> 00:53:06,440
into that mix wherever he goes, being a later draft pick,

1086
00:53:07,039 --> 00:53:09,000
though he was drafted high in junior, but the foot

1087
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:12,159
speed was an issue. But I just think his timeframe

1088
00:53:12,199 --> 00:53:14,960
fits my team better than yours. I think he should

1089
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:16,800
be good to go next year and contribute a little

1090
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:20,119
bit more so that works. And then Blownquist, I think

1091
00:53:20,119 --> 00:53:22,320
he's the next starter in Pittsburgh. I'm not sure that's

1092
00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:24,119
going to be worth a whole lot, but I do

1093
00:53:24,159 --> 00:53:27,519
think that he's a really good goalie. And Ryan, during

1094
00:53:27,519 --> 00:53:30,519
the negotiations, you said to me Blonnquist will basically be

1095
00:53:30,599 --> 00:53:33,920
at Bob's level last year. So now I'm injecting you

1096
00:53:34,639 --> 00:53:38,199
through the airwaves remotely with truth serum, and you have

1097
00:53:38,239 --> 00:53:40,719
to tell us was this just you talking up your

1098
00:53:40,760 --> 00:53:41,880
guy or do you really.

1099
00:53:41,679 --> 00:53:46,440
Speaker 2: Think that a little gamesmanship never hurt anybody victor, especially

1100
00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:49,519
in our fantasy hockey world at trade deadline time, right,

1101
00:53:49,639 --> 00:53:51,639
I'm sure you've maybe fudged it a little bit to

1102
00:53:51,639 --> 00:53:54,280
get a deal done. The reality is that we have

1103
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:57,400
Marc Andre Fleury, who, as you mentioned, is forty years

1104
00:53:57,400 --> 00:54:00,960
old and is retiring this year. I wanted another steady,

1105
00:54:01,039 --> 00:54:03,800
veteran backup to take on back up on our team.

1106
00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:06,199
I should say he's obviously going to be still a

1107
00:54:06,199 --> 00:54:09,840
starting goalie or on one A one B with Spencer

1108
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:11,920
Knight for a couple of years to come here, but

1109
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:14,800
we needed a veteran to take on Flury's role on

1110
00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:18,079
our team as a support starter behind Joseph Wall and

1111
00:54:18,159 --> 00:54:21,800
Jake Ottinger. And I feel like a starting Blomfist on

1112
00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:24,480
the Horrible Penguins is going to have similar production from

1113
00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:28,199
a fantasy point standpoint as an aging Bobrovski, with more

1114
00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:31,400
upside for Bobrovski who has done it for a long time.

1115
00:54:31,840 --> 00:54:34,360
That's basically what I meant with saying that Blomfist could

1116
00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:37,760
be at Bob's level next year. And honestly, Victor, I'm

1117
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:40,239
taking the opportunity here while I can to get out

1118
00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:43,000
from under Pittsburgh's bad goaltending and with how all the

1119
00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:45,159
goalies have crapped out there in recent years, going all

1120
00:54:45,159 --> 00:54:48,599
the way back to Tristan Jerry, Pittsburgh goaltending coach Andy

1121
00:54:48,679 --> 00:54:51,679
Keyota is not looking like a great fit for that team.

1122
00:54:52,159 --> 00:54:54,239
Turns out, Victor, that you can get a goaltending coach

1123
00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:56,760
job if you were an okay starter for the AHL

1124
00:54:56,840 --> 00:55:00,119
team fifteen years ago. He I'm happy to get a

1125
00:55:00,119 --> 00:55:02,719
way from that goaltending coach and from that kind of

1126
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:06,239
situation for Blumkfist, much as I like him, And I

1127
00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:08,840
will also say Edward was not high on me acquiring

1128
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:10,960
Blumpfist in the first place, which we did last year

1129
00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:13,199
at the trade deadline, and I'm happy that we were

1130
00:55:13,239 --> 00:55:15,880
able to turn him into Bob. Is it possible that

1131
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:18,440
josh Wa could be a middle six winger in Montreal?

1132
00:55:19,239 --> 00:55:21,960
A lot of competition for those roles. You do have

1133
00:55:22,039 --> 00:55:26,159
some of those older guys like Anderson Gallagher, Armia those

1134
00:55:26,199 --> 00:55:29,000
guys will probably be phased out soon in Montreal, so

1135
00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:31,960
there could certainly be an opportunity for WAH. But I

1136
00:55:31,960 --> 00:55:34,199
think we have enough of those guys on our team

1137
00:55:34,719 --> 00:55:37,920
with Connor Garland and Nick Paul and Schmaltz middle six

1138
00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:41,119
productive guys kicking around on our team. We feel like

1139
00:55:41,239 --> 00:55:43,559
Zach LaRue is actually the twenty one year old q

1140
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:47,039
player that we want right now, as unlike Wah, he's

1141
00:55:47,079 --> 00:55:49,800
playing in the NHL and he hits, which is rare

1142
00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:53,440
for prospects from the Quebec Maritime Junior Hockey League. But

1143
00:55:53,880 --> 00:55:56,440
come on, we've gone too long here, Victor, without telling

1144
00:55:56,679 --> 00:55:59,360
talking about what you are probably viewing as the prime

1145
00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:02,719
asset here, tell us about Luca Cagnoni, Victor, who was

1146
00:56:02,840 --> 00:56:05,440
rocketed up your prospect ranks if I'm not mistaken, and

1147
00:56:05,559 --> 00:56:07,760
has been a big favorite of yours for years now.

1148
00:56:08,719 --> 00:56:11,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've called Kagnoni Layne Hudson light and for good reason.

1149
00:56:11,960 --> 00:56:15,000
He's tearing up the AHL as a nineteen twenty year

1150
00:56:15,039 --> 00:56:17,360
old so far thirty seven points in forty eight games.

1151
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:20,159
Not only that, but he's playing the second most of

1152
00:56:20,199 --> 00:56:24,440
any time on ice of any skater he's play driving

1153
00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:26,559
could be a bit better, but that's partially because of

1154
00:56:26,559 --> 00:56:30,239
the team and he doesn't have the best bash, But

1155
00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:33,360
I think he can be a sixty to seventy point defenseman,

1156
00:56:33,480 --> 00:56:35,800
which is pretty huge. And I think it depends on

1157
00:56:35,840 --> 00:56:38,159
how the organization uses him. I think that they're starting

1158
00:56:38,199 --> 00:56:40,360
to view him as their power play quarterback of the future.

1159
00:56:41,079 --> 00:56:43,039
It might depend a little bit on who else enters

1160
00:56:43,039 --> 00:56:46,119
the organization or who they draft. Maybe that's Matthew Schaeffer

1161
00:56:46,119 --> 00:56:48,159
in the future, we will see. That might hurt his

1162
00:56:48,199 --> 00:56:49,840
stock a little bit, but I think that they're starting

1163
00:56:49,880 --> 00:56:51,320
to really view him that way. I'm looking at his

1164
00:56:51,400 --> 00:56:55,360
FHL player card now, and he shoots a fair amount,

1165
00:56:55,440 --> 00:56:57,920
but the priffs, the blocks and shots are a bit

1166
00:56:58,239 --> 00:56:59,800
lower or sorry, the blocks and hits are a bit

1167
00:56:59,840 --> 00:57:02,360
low or I think part of this is also because

1168
00:57:02,360 --> 00:57:04,239
he's in the AHL and they're asking him to play

1169
00:57:04,280 --> 00:57:06,920
a specific role and he's doing it exceptionally well, So

1170
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:10,320
I think that has to be noted. And yeah, he's

1171
00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:13,360
an incredible piece that I would want to hang on

1172
00:57:13,440 --> 00:57:15,920
to if at all possible, and or acquire, which is

1173
00:57:15,920 --> 00:57:16,360
what I did.

1174
00:57:17,679 --> 00:57:19,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, you mentioned that Cagnoni is not the best play

1175
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driver from what I've seen, and I've watched a lot

1176
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of Cagnoni recently, it seems once he gets into the

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offensive zone that he just makes the Ozone his daddy.

1178
00:57:28,760 --> 00:57:31,480
He just can do anything in the offensive zone that

1179
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you could even possibly want him to do. He can

1180
00:57:34,280 --> 00:57:36,559
shoot from the point, he's got a slap shot, he's

1181
00:57:36,559 --> 00:57:39,800
got a risk shot. He generally gets into the slot

1182
00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:41,960
to take that shot. He can go in front of

1183
00:57:41,960 --> 00:57:44,400
the net, he can tip pucks. He likes to do

1184
00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:48,280
this aggressive ozone defense where he kind of pinches in

1185
00:57:48,800 --> 00:57:51,039
and he will get He obviously will only do it

1186
00:57:51,119 --> 00:57:53,880
usually when there's a lot of guys below the red

1187
00:57:53,960 --> 00:57:57,480
line on the other team. He does insert himself aggressively

1188
00:57:57,519 --> 00:57:59,639
into the offensive zone. So that's I think why you're

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00:57:59,639 --> 00:58:01,880
getting And you and I have both been on the

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Cagnoni train for a long time. We were very happy

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to have him in the BFF system as our top

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00:58:06,320 --> 00:58:09,360
d prospect, but his rise this year with the Barracuda

1193
00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:11,760
made him a candidate to be traded to help us now,

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00:58:11,880 --> 00:58:14,920
especially since we are going against Mason and jack Z

1195
00:58:15,119 --> 00:58:17,599
to try and win the title. And while I believe

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strongly in Cagnoni's offensive potential, I'm still a little bit

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00:58:22,239 --> 00:58:27,079
leery about his defensing defensive play. I've recently become a

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regular viewer of Will Scouching and his live streams, and

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he has these video room sessions that he does where

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00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:37,599
he watches a game of an NHL prospect and dissects

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00:58:37,599 --> 00:58:39,960
the game. And so he watched a Barracuda game and

1202
00:58:40,039 --> 00:58:43,840
watched a game of Cagnoni and about twenty five minutes

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00:58:43,880 --> 00:58:46,880
of Cagnoni goodness, I would recommend it. There were a

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00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:48,679
few times in that game where he pinched a little

1205
00:58:48,679 --> 00:58:51,440
too deep into the offensive zone and was burned going

1206
00:58:51,480 --> 00:58:53,800
the other way. He definitely has the quickness to get

1207
00:58:53,840 --> 00:58:55,840
back after those pinches, but I don't think he'll get

1208
00:58:55,840 --> 00:58:57,880
away with that in the NHL, which gets bigger and

1209
00:58:57,920 --> 00:59:01,480
faster by the day. It seems We've talked a lot

1210
00:59:01,519 --> 00:59:04,079
about how I love the archetype of small, speedy defenseman,

1211
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but the league seems to be less and less interested

1212
00:59:06,199 --> 00:59:09,400
in giving these guys opportunities as longer. Defenders with reach

1213
00:59:09,480 --> 00:59:12,400
are in the zeitgeist now, especially after the Four Nations tournament,

1214
00:59:12,639 --> 00:59:15,480
we saw Adam Fox look very different when he was

1215
00:59:15,519 --> 00:59:18,719
playing against some of these bigger, rangier guys, and so

1216
00:59:18,800 --> 00:59:20,719
I wonder if we might have a similar problem with

1217
00:59:20,760 --> 00:59:23,920
guys like Cagnoni. All that being said, scouting's pretty high

1218
00:59:23,960 --> 00:59:26,480
on Cagnoni, as anyone should be, but he does offer

1219
00:59:26,519 --> 00:59:28,679
the caveat that he will need to be sheltered and

1220
00:59:28,679 --> 00:59:30,599
given power play two minutes just to see if his

1221
00:59:30,719 --> 00:59:34,639
offensive game can actualize in the NHL. I too, wonder

1222
00:59:34,639 --> 00:59:36,760
if he will be given the opportunity to realize that

1223
00:59:36,840 --> 00:59:40,079
sixty to seventy point season victor, our ceiling victor, or

1224
00:59:40,119 --> 00:59:42,519
if he will fizzle out like a Kalin Addison or

1225
00:59:42,599 --> 00:59:45,199
Eric Branstrom type. I will give him credit though. He

1226
00:59:45,199 --> 00:59:48,079
does dominate the offensive zone, getting inside for quick shots

1227
00:59:48,119 --> 00:59:50,960
and occasionally taking into the net for high danger scoring chances.

1228
00:59:51,400 --> 00:59:53,559
Any thoughts on that before we wrap it up here?

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Victor on Cagnoni, Yeah, I appreciate that. What I've seen though,

1230
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is that he can defend well enough. He's never going

1231
01:00:00,719 --> 01:00:02,599
to be your stopper. He's never going to be your

1232
01:00:02,760 --> 01:00:05,159
number one put out there in all situations. But I

1233
01:00:05,199 --> 01:00:07,679
also don't think he's a liability. His stick is really good,

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01:00:07,719 --> 01:00:08,599
his positioning is good.

1235
01:00:08,639 --> 01:00:11,199
Speaker 1: I've seen him use leverage to knock bigger guys off

1236
01:00:11,239 --> 01:00:13,199
puck and even battle really hard in the corners. He

1237
01:00:13,239 --> 01:00:14,960
doesn't come out away with the puck all the time,

1238
01:00:15,000 --> 01:00:17,679
but often enough to not be like a huge problem.

1239
01:00:17,760 --> 01:00:20,599
And so I think that's just an average. If he's

1240
01:00:20,639 --> 01:00:26,840
average defensively, then I think the offense is exceptional. Great too, exceptional,

1241
01:00:26,920 --> 01:00:29,199
I think, and so that's and I think he makes

1242
01:00:29,199 --> 01:00:31,400
all the players offensively around him better. So that's a

1243
01:00:31,440 --> 01:00:32,719
big that's a big plus.

1244
01:00:33,559 --> 01:00:35,639
Speaker 2: Now you're making me sad, Victor, because I'm going to

1245
01:00:35,679 --> 01:00:39,039
miss having Luca Cagnoni. Fortunately, I think we do have

1246
01:00:39,199 --> 01:00:42,079
him in our co managed league, so that's pretty exciting

1247
01:00:42,159 --> 01:00:44,239
as well. But that's it for the trades we're going

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01:00:44,280 --> 01:00:46,480
to talk about today, Victor. To recap, we had some

1249
01:00:46,559 --> 01:00:49,280
fascinating cell load deals at the end of subpar seasons

1250
01:00:49,280 --> 01:00:52,239
from yourself and Rob, and some smart trades to set

1251
01:00:52,280 --> 01:00:54,079
teams up for the playoffs, which is really what this

1252
01:00:54,159 --> 01:00:57,000
trade deadline is all about. Looks like everyone got what

1253
01:00:57,000 --> 01:00:59,320
they were looking for. None of these deals are particularly

1254
01:00:59,400 --> 01:01:02,719
egregious for value standpoint. Before we go, I'd love to

1255
01:01:02,760 --> 01:01:04,639
just get your thoughts here on what ended up being

1256
01:01:04,679 --> 01:01:08,000
a very quiet trade deadline across the tiered Dynasty League.

1257
01:01:08,119 --> 01:01:10,679
We had a few deals in the final weekend prior

1258
01:01:10,719 --> 01:01:12,679
to the trade deadline, but not the kind of volume

1259
01:01:12,719 --> 01:01:15,000
I think some of our tidy managers were expecting from

1260
01:01:15,000 --> 01:01:17,360
this trade deadline. What are your thoughts on that as

1261
01:01:17,400 --> 01:01:18,400
we sign off for today.

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01:01:18,840 --> 01:01:22,679
Speaker 1: I think it's a very interesting league, and so the

1263
01:01:22,760 --> 01:01:25,039
trades are always a bit different, and I think this

1264
01:01:25,159 --> 01:01:29,000
is good. Sometimes when you have a pure dynasty and lottery,

1265
01:01:29,440 --> 01:01:31,840
it's a little bit easy just to sell everything off,

1266
01:01:31,880 --> 01:01:33,840
and I think it can beef up the top teams

1267
01:01:33,840 --> 01:01:36,960
a little too much. So I frankly like that there's

1268
01:01:37,119 --> 01:01:39,159
everyone has a little bit of something to play for,

1269
01:01:39,320 --> 01:01:41,760
even me at going for fifth overall. But I think

1270
01:01:41,840 --> 01:01:44,239
it really shifts the value a little bit, and people

1271
01:01:44,360 --> 01:01:47,199
have to really add pieces to make the value equitable,

1272
01:01:47,280 --> 01:01:50,079
and to really think about roster spots, to think about

1273
01:01:50,400 --> 01:01:53,920
who's going to be playing and when, of their miners' eligibility,

1274
01:01:53,960 --> 01:01:55,960
and I just think that there's a lot of really

1275
01:01:56,000 --> 01:01:58,880
fun things to consider, and so that's why I like it,

1276
01:01:58,920 --> 01:02:00,840
and I like having this early is always a bit

1277
01:02:00,920 --> 01:02:03,199
tricky because you don't know which players have moved. I

1278
01:02:03,199 --> 01:02:05,639
know a lot of teams like having it after the

1279
01:02:05,840 --> 01:02:08,199
or are leagues like having after the NHL trade deadline,

1280
01:02:08,199 --> 01:02:11,360
which can be fun, But I personally this set up

1281
01:02:11,400 --> 01:02:14,440
better where you have a long playoff. We always have

1282
01:02:14,480 --> 01:02:17,519
two week matchups for our playoffs, and I think that

1283
01:02:17,880 --> 01:02:18,719
works really well.

1284
01:02:18,960 --> 01:02:22,760
Speaker 2: What do you think, Ryan, Yeah, the long playoff matchups

1285
01:02:22,840 --> 01:02:24,559
I think are the best way to figure out which

1286
01:02:24,599 --> 01:02:27,199
teams are actually the best teams because you have that

1287
01:02:27,480 --> 01:02:31,400
longer sample size. Teams that are actually really strong like

1288
01:02:31,480 --> 01:02:35,920
Mason's and Jacks will probably outpace teams like my team

1289
01:02:36,960 --> 01:02:39,760
over two weeks. But the same is true for other

1290
01:02:39,840 --> 01:02:42,599
matchups in the playoffs, and so you do have the

1291
01:02:42,679 --> 01:02:45,880
consolation around robin tournament, for instance, they get a long

1292
01:02:45,920 --> 01:02:49,960
time to figure out how good these teams actually are.

1293
01:02:50,400 --> 01:02:53,159
The first overall tournament, in the middle of the bracket,

1294
01:02:53,400 --> 01:02:55,639
it's the best team that's going to win that because

1295
01:02:55,639 --> 01:02:58,159
of these long playoff matchups. I think it's great to

1296
01:02:58,199 --> 01:03:01,480
have it this early. Like I said, like you said earlier,

1297
01:03:01,519 --> 01:03:03,119
I want to just bring it back to what you

1298
01:03:03,159 --> 01:03:05,519
said about how the teams at the top and the

1299
01:03:05,519 --> 01:03:08,960
bottom in the Tidy league are more adverse to trading

1300
01:03:08,960 --> 01:03:11,360
because they have stuff to play for more so than

1301
01:03:11,400 --> 01:03:14,559
the middle teams do, although everyone has something to play

1302
01:03:14,559 --> 01:03:16,960
for in our setup, and so I think that's part

1303
01:03:16,960 --> 01:03:19,239
of it. We had a number of teams that were

1304
01:03:19,239 --> 01:03:21,320
looking to get a little more done. I think that

1305
01:03:21,400 --> 01:03:25,280
they than they did. But that's the perks and perils

1306
01:03:25,320 --> 01:03:28,119
of playing in a league like this. But certainly I'm

1307
01:03:28,159 --> 01:03:30,559
happy to be here doing it because it is so

1308
01:03:30,760 --> 01:03:33,400
unique in a format and we're having a lot of

1309
01:03:33,400 --> 01:03:35,880
fun with the tidy and we hope that you'll consider

1310
01:03:35,960 --> 01:03:37,920
joining us. We are opening the wait list for the

1311
01:03:37,960 --> 01:03:41,039
Tiered Dynasty League. We have a couple of teams. Just

1312
01:03:41,119 --> 01:03:43,800
like with any tiered league, there are teams that are

1313
01:03:43,800 --> 01:03:46,039
going to phase out, there are managers who are going

1314
01:03:46,039 --> 01:03:48,519
to have other things to do. We're looking like we're

1315
01:03:48,519 --> 01:03:50,519
going to have a couple of teams to replace over

1316
01:03:50,519 --> 01:03:52,880
the summer, and so certainly, if any of this has

1317
01:03:52,920 --> 01:03:55,519
sounded interesting to you as a format, we would love

1318
01:03:55,559 --> 01:03:57,719
to have you as a patron to fantasy hockey life

1319
01:03:58,039 --> 01:04:00,280
and join us in the Tiered Dynasty League. Really a

1320
01:04:00,320 --> 01:04:03,840
lot of fun, lots of really smart, intelligent fantasy hockey

1321
01:04:03,840 --> 01:04:07,320
people in these leagues, and you'll definitely learn a lot

1322
01:04:07,440 --> 01:04:09,719
just by just by watching and just by seeing how

1323
01:04:09,760 --> 01:04:12,360
a lot of this shakes out. So I hope you'll

1324
01:04:12,400 --> 01:04:15,480
consider joining us on the Tiered Dynasty wait list. Maybe

1325
01:04:15,559 --> 01:04:17,079
we'll have a spot for you next season.

1326
01:04:18,079 --> 01:04:20,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you so much Ryan for joining us and

1327
01:04:20,480 --> 01:04:25,840
exciting Tiered Dynasty season, and definitely join if you want.

1328
01:04:25,880 --> 01:04:28,159
We have some really, we have a lot of fun,

1329
01:04:28,199 --> 01:04:29,880
we have a lot of good stuff to discuss, and

1330
01:04:30,199 --> 01:04:31,920
you get a lot of bonus perks as well, so

1331
01:04:32,679 --> 01:04:35,440
definitely check it out. Thanks so much, and we'll catch

1332
01:04:35,480 --> 01:04:36,000
you next time.

1333
01:04:37,400 --> 01:04:39,880
Speaker 2: Thanks Victor. It's always a pleasure to be behind the

1334
01:04:39,920 --> 01:04:51,920
mic with you here at the Tidy takes before we leave.

1335
01:04:52,400 --> 01:04:54,880
Speaker 3: You always know there's gonna be some things I have

1336
01:04:54,960 --> 01:04:56,840
to say to you, and one of them is this

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01:04:56,960 --> 01:04:59,639
show's brought to you by pain Track. That's where the

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Tidy played. That's where irreputable Dynasty leagues everywhere are played,

1339
01:05:04,239 --> 01:05:07,960
because frankly, there's nowhere else that has the customization level.

1340
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There's nowhere else that can use all the funny scoring

1341
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settings that we like to use to make a league

1342
01:05:13,800 --> 01:05:16,840
maybe more reflective of hockey reality while still being a

1343
01:05:16,920 --> 01:05:19,719
very playable product. There's no other place that I can

1344
01:05:19,760 --> 01:05:23,239
play Salary leagues and just to regenerate salaries during the

1345
01:05:23,280 --> 01:05:25,920
season because they pay attention to those things. We can

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set contracts, cap hits. You can figure out how many

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rookie eligibility games you want to be played, how you

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want to do that. You could set rookie eligibility by age.

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There's multiple ways to do it. You can start up leagues.

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these leagues will be ready to roll. Fantracks HQ has

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only so many sports that can register in my mind.

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Speaker 1: People.

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Speaker 3: Fahl's team was on display in this episode. Admiral Ryan

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is a Tidy commission but so are Crafts, Tim who

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01:06:07,320 --> 01:06:10,320
you recently heard and you've heard Crafts are recording with

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me in the past. And Simone, who is shy but

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believe me deadly he is. This is the commissioning for

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Scouting reports of course a fixture not only of this show,

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but we do have I think we're starting to give

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access to some scouting reports to patrons as well. We

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have a lot of players who are scouts of scouted

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and put into the same format you hear on some

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of our scouting episodes. Brandon is website guru. He's a scout.

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He helps with prospect ranks, he helps with visualizations. If

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you would like to You're like, this show is pretty good.

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What you guys give is pretty good. But what if

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we did this other cool thing together? Hit Victor up

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in the discord, email or social media. We are brought

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names in that space. I also do a solo show

1379
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called Dynasty Sports Life. I talk for different Dynasty Sports

1380
01:07:25,960 --> 01:07:30,239
sometimes at the same time I'm thinking this week's episodes.

1381
01:07:30,239 --> 01:07:33,679
They always release on Tuesday. We missed last week. I

1382
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missed last week, but I'm going to be back on

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Tuesday and to make sure of it. I'm going to

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say that I am back on Tuesday, and then go

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record it. I am this week. I think I'm going

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to talk about a ranking of the four Washington sports

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franchises in terms of you through all of their players

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in a bucket in a four sport league. Where would Capitals, Commanders, Wizards,

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I tweet, when I skeet this thing out at the beginning,

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I think, actually we get a little extra juice if

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you click on this Spreaker link. But I know that's

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not everybody's cup of tea anyway. Just listen, That's the

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main thing. I don't care where you listen, I don't

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care how you listen. I don't really care when you listen.

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I just hope you enjoy it because Victor and I

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and Ryan and all our crew are here to help

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Speaker 1: Ye