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Speaker 1: Tamnis, welcome back, and we're pleased once again to bring
in our Tidy Admiral. As we're going to be talking
Tidy Takes Trade Deadline edition. Ryan, How you doing, my friend?
Speaker 2: Hey, Victor, I am great giving the listeners a little
bit of a peek behind the curtain here. You and
I have been hanging out all morning. We've been chatting.
We co manage a league. We've recently started co managing
this team. In a thirty two team league. It's been
very exciting to get up to speed with this size
of league. It's definitely I wouldn't say out of my depth,
but it's a new experience for me to be dealing
with the We were just discussing like whether we should
trade a guy like Rasmus Ristolina, and it's maybe you
would in a twelve team league, but in a thirty
two team league, he does have a bit more value.
It's just been really fast, and so I feel like
I've been hanging out with you all morning. We'll just
let the listeners into our hang sash here and it's
great to be back doing the Tidy Takes with you.
I don't know about you, but this is one of
my favorite times a year for Dynasty Fantasy Hockey. The
contenders have separated themselves from the pretenders, and managers are
looking at their teams more critically than at any other
time of the year, deciding who is remaining on the
journey and who's getting tossed overboard. And that's what we're
going to be focusing on in today's edition of Tidy Takes.
We're going to take a look at a few teams
that are undertaking the classic trade deadline remodel, including your
own victor in the Tidy Lord Stanley Division, and dive
into a few strategies that you, the listener, can try
in your own leagues as you prepare for the stretch
run and Victor. This wouldn't be a Tidy Trade segment
if we didn't talk about the reigning trade King. Instead
of the Rank King, I think we should call him
the Trade King from now on. Mason Black first place
in the Lord Stanley Division, cruising towards a final meeting
with raining Tidy champion Jurassic Park, who is currently in
a second managed by Jack. Hopefully Edward and I will
have something to say about that as the playoffs got
started this past week. This is an interesting deal from
Mason and the Pittsburgh Mutant Turtles also known as Josh,
who finished eighth this year in the regular season of
the Tidy. And here's a deal that helps both squads
towards their respective goals. Our Trade King Mason acquires defenceman
for the Vancouver Canucks now Marcus Petterson and depth forward J. G.
Pago of the New York Islanders. And here's what he's
sent back to Josh the Pittsburgh Mutant Turtles in return
left wing Zach Boulduk, and a trio of defensive prospects
Oliver Bonk, Mattia Samuelson who actually is playing some games
now for Buffalo, and Jordan Spence playing some games for
the Kings. So some young defensemen here and a young
forward who's popping off right now for Petterson and j G. Pajo.
Our Tidy listenership has voted for it pretty decisively for
the Pittsburgh Mutant Turtles side, so Josh's return here, although
we do have some good veteran depth acquired by Mason.
Mason had this to say Victor about the deal, that
he put out some feelers during the week prior to
the trade deadline and had come to the realization that
he would probably need to lose a trade in order
to better his roster for a playoff push, so that
kind of reflects in the Tidy voting gear. He said
he was mostly focused on NHL teams that had great
schedules in our fantasy playoffs to help maximize the games
played during those few weeks that he made a short
list of players that he thought might be accessible that
were on the six middle teams playing in the consolation bracket,
We're losing a roster player wouldn't be as crucial as
the championship or relegation brackets. Pajo and Peterson were two
guys on his list and were both on Josh's Pittsburgh
mutant Turtle's team, and Josh mentioned he was in need
of a defenseman, so he built the proposal from that perspective.
Mason is hoping that Petterson finds his groove in Vancouver
on the new squad and says that the Caducks have
one of the best schedules in the playoffs for him
and that the underlying stats suggest he had a rough
go in Pittsburgh, probably like most of the players there.
He is sad to give up on a Jordan Spence,
but with doubt he coming back, he was probably going
to lose some deployment on the Kings, and Pajo bumps
him up from his last rostered player. He does go
on to say that losing Bank and Bolduke wasn't fun,
as he is high on both of the players, but
that he thinks Bunk ends up as a second pairing
d with bull Duke ending up as an underrated forward.
Prospect here going forward. His problem was that he had
a few similar prospects that were going to be graduating
early next year, like Simon and Evanson, Yeri Kulik and
Codner Geeky, and that they were going to be graduating early,
so he wouldn't have enough roster space for all of them,
so Bolduke was the odd man out. It's a bit
of a simpler explanation here from Josh that Mason had
acquired about those two depth players and that seeing he
is relatively thin at d that it made sense to
look for Dan return and he got it in abundance,
acquiring three younger pieces with upside that can grow with
his team while swapping Samuelson for Petterson. While none of
the players acquired in this deal are superstars, Victor, they'll
all have roles to play. And so it's an interesting
deal to start our discussion here today because it's really
a bit of a masterclass in trading here from our
resident trade king. In one deal, Mason has solved two
problems at once, thinning out his young core who are
rapidly losing minors eligibility, and adding a core piece going
forward in Peterson. Why don't you get us started here
with this question here of losing a trade to better
ones playoff roster and dealing with this problem of having
too many guys graduating at the same time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, getting guys with a good playoff schedule is huge.
So I think if you're going for it like Mason is,
and he absolutely is the rank slash trade king, then
you do it. You take the L. I think that
that doesn't even really bother you that much. I think
you have to do that, even if it's somewhat close
he says taking an L. I'm not even sure if
that's really the case. I might just be the shuffling
chairs on the deck of the Titanic, but in a
good way. If you can't get the players in, doesn't
really matter why you can't get them in. Are they
not playing on off nights? Are they not getting enough games?
Are they scratched? Are they sent to the miners? Are
they injured? None of that matters. You need to figure
out a way to get bodies into your lineup, and
great gms find a way to fix that. They look
ahead and they see these things, and quite frankly, you
just have to be able to be in a position
like Mason is to make these sort of moves, right,
he has put himself in a position where he doesn't
have to worry too much about getting far in the
playoffs and he can just focus on a matchup or two,
so he doesn't have to look at the whole playoff schedule,
and that's a real huge benefit. And so he can
just focus in on a couple of matchups in a
few weeks and see what works the best. And that
is just a tribute to a strong regular season. So
not everybody has the luxury of focusing in on a
few weeks like that, but you definitely want to look
ahead when you have that opportunity.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it definitely makes sense. And you look at some
of these guys. Jordan Spence is great. He's been pretty
good for a fairly long time in his short career here.
As you mentioned, he's got some competition with Brant Clark
on that roster. Dowdy doesn't seem to be going anywhere
anytime soon. So as good as Jordan Spence is, if
he's only going to play near the bottom of the
roster for the LA Kings, he's not going to have
as much value as someone like Peterson who's going to
be relied upon in Vancouver. You mentioned you don't think
this deal is necessarily an l for Mason. Why don't
you expand on that a little bit, because, as we noted,
and as we'll note for several of the deals today,
our Tidy managers voted for Josh's return, which is more
of the I guess it's not really as much of
a win now, but it does have a lot of
exciting pieces there, and Petterson and Pajo are not the
most exciting names. Where does this one land for you?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's got to be a win or
I would even say a win wash, because I think
both teams get what they need. I don't think any
of these guys are like league winners or anything like that. Right,
None of these names are super exciting. I think some
of them are pretty decent real life players. I was surprised, actually,
I was looking at Marcus Petterson's underlying stats. His offense
is rated at ninety fourth percentile. I don't understand that.
That doesn't really make sense to me. I thought he
was more of a defensive specialist, but apparently good. He's
good both ways. He obviously doesn't put up too many
points though, as we know anyways, I think that you
get both guys get what they need. Mason gets a
little upgrade and someone similar points per game between Peterson
and Spence, but Petterson playing more games now, and so
that's obviously what matters. And so that's a real win
because Josh gets someone who he can rely on later hopefully,
which makes sense. And then JG. Pajo certainly pretty decently
above average here and so getting a little bit more
flexibility too because he's sent a right wing So I
think you get that flexibility, you get guys in your lineup.
Mason says he's higher on Blduken Spense. I guess that's reasonable.
I think in a deep enough league, those guys are
more exciting. But I'm not sure that any of are
going to be too good. Quite frankly, I think that, well,
Duke's been in the NHL, He's got just under one
hundred games now, He's clicking out about a thirty point
pace during that entire stretch, and I wouldn't be too
surprised if he stays in that forty ish point range
for most of his career. Is there more there? Maybe?
I'm not super convinced that there is. Spence I think
has a lot of talent, but yeah, certainly with Dowdy
there and some of the other guys they have, I'm
not sure he's going to be too much. So I
think both guys are between replacement level and average roster players.
So is there upside for more? Sure? And I think
it's a great bet for Josh to make on maybe
they can be more And in the meantime, Mason gets
another shot at the championship which he fell just short
last year, and it looks to be in a really
good position to bring it home this year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I totally get it. And this deal really does
change the makeup of the middle of the roster of
both of these teams. Josh gets some guys that reset
the age of his core a little, which is certainly
something to consider here as a team that is in
eighth place and is looking to make some tangible improvements
over the coming years. Like you said, it's not a blockbuster,
but it's one of those smart trades that helps both teams,
and from my perspective, the rich get richer a Mason.
I'm thinking it's going to take a herculean effort to
unseat one of Mason or Jack atop the Lord Stanley
standings here Victor next, and this is I've been really
excited to talk about these trades coming up. We're going
to talk about a hallmark of the trade deadline, and
that is the last Place selloff. Rob, who is also
known as you Know who I Am on the KK
Keeping Carlson and Fantasy Hockey Life discords, took over the
last place team in tidy Yager about a month and
a half ago, currently with only one win on the season,
so this roster has a lot of work ahead to
bring this team back to contention. And we're going to
explore three deals that Rob made right before the trade deadline.
Here he moved out veterans like Ovechkin, ek led Scheifleet,
and Kine, and we'll talk about those guys in detail
in just a second. We're going to start with a
bit of a smaller deal with a very exciting return
for Rob. He started out by throwing brock Nelson overboard,
attaching the anchor of prospect Sam O'Reilly to him to
acquire D plus two standout for the Spokane Chiefs Andrew Christall,
which is just such a coup I love that player,
and I love that Rob gets to enjoy him, perhaps
alongside one of his teammates, which we'll get to in
just a second. Rob had this to say that taking
over a last place tiered Dynasty team in January was
a bit tricky that he wanted to trade for as
many young assets as possible while simultaneously avoiding relegation. He
said that there's a good chance that the veterans on
his roster that he's moved in these deals won't be
playing next season, specifically Ovechkin Patrick Kane, although he's hoping
that they have a few more years in them being
a non playoff team, he wanted to avoid losing guys
like that for nothing, so he would move them for anything,
and so, just before the trade deadline, JB, who has
featured in these tidy trade segments before, Hey, how you
doing JB, reached out to him about brock Nelson, the
consistent four point five Fantasy points per game guy in
our league. He countered by asking for Christall and adding
Sam O'Reilly to the deal. He took this as an
opportunity at another elite prospect and loves Kristall because he's
a Canadian boy twenty seven points in his last ten
with Spokane. He's a dynamic, creative player with high end
hockey IQ and JB knows this because he knows he
gave up a really good prospect in Christall. His reasoning
for this is that he has a very thin center
line with Kirby Dock near the top of it, so
that should tell you how thin it is, and he
was looking for a center to fill that void. And
so JB, knowing that he's fighting for relegation, wants to
be competitive in his matchups and thought that brock Nelson
would be good value. He's also heard some good things
about Sam O'Reilly that he's not a sure thing like Christall,
but that he's looking towards the future and felt that
he needed a center badly. So he is happy with
the deal getting that depth at the center, and JB
also liked he did include I like to trade, which
we know. We've talked about a lot of your deals, man,
and it's so great that we get another one to
talk about here. Victor. I'm not exactly sure where you
are on Christall, but I've always been a big fan.
He was left off the World Junior team again this
year for Canada, and in hindsight, I bet they wish
they could have added some of his scoring flare in
that lineup. What do you think of selling Nelson for Christall?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think this really works as a win. I
think how much it skews in one direction really boils
down to Christall and what he ends up being. That's
the big sticking point. There are wide ranging opinions on
that player. I know JB mentioned that he's more for sure.
I'm not so sure I would agree with that statement.
I don't think he's a sure thing. He certainly has
tremendous upside. I know I'd rather have him as a
prospect than Sam O'Reilly. I think an NHL team might
prefer Sam o'reiley because he's more of a high floor
kind of guy. But Christall has so much talent. And
I think this is a really good lesson that JB
gave us. So that is, when you trade a really
good high end player like Christall, you get something else back.
You don't just you don't just go with whatever you're
getting in terms of one player. You get a second
piece as well. And so I think that you could
this could have gone down as brock Nelson for Andrew Kristal,
I think most people would have been like, yeah, that
makes sense. You get a win now player, you get
a high end prospect on the other side, but get
something else. If you're giving the for sure, what do
you think of the for sure thing or the high
upside guy? Get something else. I'm not super high on
Sam O'Reilly, but hey, that's good. You got another body,
you got another piece, and you got another dart to throw,
and maybe he'll be better than we all think, and
at least we'll play some games soon and contribute that
way as you're flexing him up and down. I think
that's a really good thing to do. In terms of Krystal,
I think he's going to be a star. Quite frankly,
I'm on that side. I think he's just so smart
and dynamic. I think that people worry about the feet,
and I get it. You watch him and it's just rough,
and you watch his play away from the puck and
it's not great at times. But I think he's gotten
a lot better with some of these things. And I
think the offense and the brain, the way he sees
and thinks the game is just so high and you're
seeing right now what he's doing in Spokane. It's just bonkers.
He's almost at three points per game. It's just ridiculous.
So that's been really fun to see. And I do
think he's been one of these guys at wherever he goes,
he does amazing things. And him and Berkeley cadd and
her I know we're going to talk about later big
point production there for Spokane, and I think that's going
to be that's going to be pretty fun to watch
the rest of the way. I think that one of
the issues that I've always worried about with him is
that he needs a specific role, and so that does
that's a bit concerning. He's not a guy that you
can just throw in any situation. I think the obvious
counter to that is look at someone like maclin CELEBRAINI.
It doesn't matter what he's doing or what situation he's in,
he makes it work because he's such a versatile player.
Christall is a very specific type of player, the type
that we like in fantasy because he has such huge
points upside. But he might not fit into every coaching situation,
every way that they want to make up their team.
He could end up just being a third liner, top
power play kind of guy, which would be far less exciting.
But I think even at that, in that situation, he
has a lot of value, So I like that. I
think brock Nelson, we know who he is. He's really
slow down this year. He looked really not great in
that Four Nations tournament. I wonder if you has regretted
bringing him compared to some other options. But I think
that to me showed how much more he's declining. And
I think that might have also spooked some people in
terms of, you know, acquiring him and what the Islanders
are thinking. But yeah, that's where I see this deal.
I really don't think too much about Sam Oiley. He's fine,
he's a piece. But Christall super exciting. What do you think?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm glad you're on the Christall trained with me,
and it seems our tidy managers have a little bit
of catching up to do on Christall, with most people
voting for the consistent production from the brock star brock Nelson,
although I do get it because he's been a great,
if boring hold. We tried to move off of Nelson
the BFFs ME and Edward I tried to move off
of Nelson several times this year because despite being relatively productive,
he can go on cold streaks. He's not been super
exciting to hold this year, so we're hoping that he
can heat up as he makes a case to get
voted off the island to a better situation. But yeah,
back to Christall, I think he has the potential to
be a star producer on the wing with the capitals.
You're right that he's going to need a specific role.
I don't think you're going to see Andrew Kristall in
a checking line. I don't think you're going to see
him playing fourth line minutes. I think he probably has
to be in the top six to get any kind
of positive value out of him. But I think that
there's room for that. They have a lot of great
options coming up. They could have a top six that
involves players like pro Toss, Christall, Ryan Leonard, Maverick Bork,
p l Dubois, Connor McMichael, lots of great young guys
who will be able to carry forward the legacy of
alex Ovechkin. Here, and speaking of alex Ovechkin, Victor, why
don't we talk about him for a little bit, because
he's definitely not getting any attention from the media right now,
which of course is a bit tongue in cheek because
as of the time of this recording, he is eleven
goals away from breaking Wayne Gretzky's record and looks poised
to do it this season, which would be exciting. Which
and this leads us to the rational for this next
sale from Rob. He sells Alex Ovechkin to Tidy veteran
manager Sasha Legarde for Andrew Christall's Spokane teammate Berkeley Catton,
and this deal again voted quite in favor by our
Tidy managers towards Sasha, although there is a significant component
of the managers who are voting that it is even,
which I would say it is. Rob had this to
say that he moved Ovechkin for Berkeley Catton one for one.
He's sure he could have gotten more, but that he
didn't have that much time to make this deal, and Sasha,
being super easy to work with, was a great trade partner.
Rob says that he is stoked about acquiring Catton, another
good old Canadian boy. We can see what Rob's priorities
are here. With thirty two points in his last ten games,
of Spokane. So there's a lot of great stuff going
on in Spokane. From an offensive standpoint that Berkeley Catton
is an elite skater and playmaker with an excellent shot,
with hockey sense through the roof. So we're seeing what
kind of player Rob values here, certainly in Kristall and Catton.
Sasha had this to say, he was a winner in
our previous Tidy Lidstrom Division last year, so he went
into the dispersal draft this year having a plan for
the next two to three seasons to eventually move up
and get promoted to a higher tier. And so the
majority of his lineup is either in their prime or
their early thirties, and so acquiring someone like Ovechkin makes
a lot of sense. Given that he's in third place
currently in the division with the most points scored in
the league. He wanted to bolster his position at wing,
so trading Catton, who was about two to three seasons
away from being an NHLer for Ov made sense for
him since he thinks Ovechkin is on a mission to
end the season as strong as he can. Sasha thinks
he'll break the record early next season, but he didn't
get the chance to see the hat trick that happened
when I asked for this feedback, so maybe he would
think differently. With the added weight of bangs. In this league,
ov averages close to eight Fantasy points per game, which
would make him his most productive wingers. If you're going
to move an asset like Catten, you better get one
of the most productive wingers in the game. Interestingly enough, Victor,
both of these trades from Rob so far have been
voted on very similarly by tidy managers. As I said,
it's either voted evenly or that the win now side wins.
Where do you land on Ovechkin for Catton?
Speaker 1: Wow? I just I love blockbusters like this right, And
I just said, if you're giving up a huge piece,
get something more. But I also appreciate rob sentimentoz Sometimes
you just want to get it done right. You just
want simplify and just smash except and it's a it's fair,
So I like that. I wonder how many leagues OVI
for Cadden gets made. I'm not sure that happens in
a lot of leagues, and certainly in CAP leagues are
some different connotation, but I love it. I have a
feeling he Bobe breaks the record he's not that far away.
Maybe he just retires, but then maybe unretires and just
keeps going because that Russian machine can never break or quit.
I think he's just going to push that record as
high as possible. So I think he's getting a player.
I think Slasha is getting a player. If he somehow
doesn't get promoted, that is going to be around a
little bit longer than this year. And yeah, he's at
seven point eighty one fantasy points, is definitely one of
the top in the league, and it's just looking fantastic.
But I think this is a classic win because you
look at you push your chips in, you get ov
and I think people are sleeping on Cadden. I think
maybe some of what they saw at the World Juniors
maybe that soured them a little bit with what his
potential is. But there was just a whole lot of
dysfunction there for Team Canada. I don't think you can
blame that on Katten. I think he was actually really
good for he created a lot of chances, not a
lot of them went in. Personally, I think Berkeley Catten
is the next Mark Schifley. He's not necessarily the most
defensively adept, but he's okay, and he drives enough offense
that it's fine that you don't worry about it. That
kid can just score. He shoots a ton, He's gonna
generate a lot of offense. He actually, I'm looking at
his Fantasy Hockey Life player card. He actually blocks more
than I would have thought, so his bash ends up
being in the ninetieth percentile, although he doesn't hit very
much and he's a smaller guy, so that makes sense.
But I love this. I love both sides win and
as the managers tended to agree more even than favoring
one player, and I would agree with that. I think
a lot of the favor the win now options. So sure,
you look at Sasha and if you're in that position,
you like getting ov, but I think you can certainly
understand getting a great piece that be good for years
to come and work the Catton.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love this approach just as much as you do.
And just from Sasha's perspective, Sasha is trying to win
as fast as possible to get up and join us
in Lord Stanley, and looks like they will definitely be competitive,
trying to move up another tier, having moved up from
Lidstrom last year after a strong performance in twenty three
twenty four, But we might be looking at the same
situation here for Sasha going into next season. Catton will
probably take a few years, but Sasha will be relaxing,
maybe in Lord Stanley or at least getting entrenched here
for a long fight up in that division, whereas Ovechkin
could be many years retired by then by the time
Catton gets in. Well, there we go secure the promotion
for Sasha right off into the sunset, and I'd take
that bet to have that story for the rest of
my fantasy career. If Alex Ovechkin breaks the record and
then gets me up to the top division, that would
be pretty exciting. As for Catton, Rob this morning on
the Discord shared his bookmarked list from Elite Prospects. It's
a very exciting feat you can do over there where
you can make a list of all the players you're
following across many different leads and set a starting date
of what he did this time, which was January first,
to see how all the prospects you're following are performing
across many different leagues. It's really an exciting tool at
Elite Prospects. There and the two players at the top
of his list were Katon and Chris Stahl, with both
guys on fire with a Spokane team upwards of two
and a quarter points per game. That's goals and assists,
not even fantasy points for twenty twenty five. So the
future is looking super bright for Rob, at least with
those two young guys at the helm. But finally Victor,
we get to the pista resistance of Rob's trade deadline.
In my opinion, there's lots of moving parts here, so
let's all pay attention here. Another tidy veteran manager, Josh Klima,
gets involved in this deal from the two spot in Yoger,
acquiring Aaron Eckblad, Mark Schifley, and Patrick Kane to bolster
his playoff roster for Cole Eiserman, Frank Nasar, and Comb.
Now we've talked a lot about Isserman on our previous episodes,
so we won't go into him as much, but I
do want to just read out the fantasy points for
games here. For these veteran players. We've got Mark Scheffley
at six point two, Aaron ek Blab when he plays
at five point two, and Patrick Kain at four point one.
So certainly all rosterable veterans and guys who will help
Josh push through in the playoff run. We do get Jackson, Lacomb,
Frank Nazar and Cole Eisman. Going the other way, Lacomb
and Nasar have made impacts in their own ways in
the NHL this year. Here's some of what Josh had
to say that he didn't want to move Iiserman unless
he was getting a core piece back in a larger deal,
and so Shifley felt he checked that box felt like
a bit of a cell high on Iserman before he
hits the Islanders roster grind, as well as Lacombe, who
currently is the PP one quarterback but still has a
lot of talent competing for the role with Zelweger, Minchikov
and Luno among the Anaeim Young defense its prospects. At
the end of the day, he didn't want to ship
three premium futures for Shifley alone, but two felt reasonable
that the ch Blad Lacomb swap was a crucial piece
for both teams to get it done. From Rob's perspective,
he was just looking to sell Patrick Kaine in this deal.
He was going to have to package him with players
he didn't quite want to move, which is what happened.
Josh wasn't quite up for it, as we mentioned earlier there,
so they settled on Eckblad, Schifley, and Kane for Lacomb,
Iiserman and Nasar. Rob had this to say about eck Blad,
that his play in recent deployment made his trade value
good enough to include with lacomb coming back, and that
he's happy for Josh because Josh is an easy person
to work with and is clearly investing in the playoffs
and trying to move up. And meanwhile, Rob can be
excited about these incoming players. Ierman can score Nasar and
Lacomb are in the pros now and it was important
that he found young, productive NHLers for the build of
his team, and he really shouted out the way that
Nasar plays and how much of a playmaker he is.
Rob had this to say to close out his comments
on all three deals, that he is super excited for
the bottom four tournament that's going to be so much fun,
and that he thinks it would be a hilarious tragedy
if he still got relegated after all of this work,
but that he feels confident about his chances. Victor, this
one's pretty fun. The Tidy managers vote overwhelmingly for Josh's win.
Now side again here with nobody giving Rob Any credit
for an expert cell job here. But where do you
start breaking this one down?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I think back also to time getting hilariously relegated
after working so hard and Lord Stanley last year. It happens,
but you still you learn a lot from all those experiences,
and it's still fun. No worries if it happens. I
love when this happens. I often find that this kind
of thing happens to me. You go and look in
for one specific player, one option one for one, and
it kind of balloons into a two for two or
three for three or even more. And I think sometimes
that's easier. It's easier to equate assets across three for
three than it is just one for one, because that
might be really lopsided. But you start adding other pieces
and you can correlate the value a little bit easier,
and I think that makes sense. So I think Josh
got three well above to well above replacement level pieces
and Rob got three excellent win later pieces. So when
I love it, I think the nhl R is a
Josh God. I think we understand who those are, and
I think we know that they're going to be great.
We know who they are, they're going to be consistent.
So Shifley, we know he's going to be in that range.
I think Ekblad is going to be around where he is.
Patrick Kin is probably the wild card here because we
don't know how much he has left in the tank,
although he has looked he looks looked awesome at times
and then non existent in times, so I'm sure that
was part of the consideration how much more he has,
and I think he probably has maybe one more year
of relevancy. We'll have to see. On the other hand,
I love this for Rob. I think people are not giving,
as you said, not giving him enough credit, giving him
just one person voting for him and one person voting
for even I think that should have been much closer
than ninety five percent in favor of Josh, because I
think people are massively sleeping on Jackson Lacombe. He is
so good, He's on a forty six point pace, and
his metrics suggested he's even getting a bit unlucky. Crazy
to think though he is shooting a bit high, and
his powerplay ipp is a little high. I don't think
that should be seventy one. But he actually is driving
the offense literally statistically about as well as you can
in terms of his expected goals above replacement. That is
wild to think for such a young defenseman on a
let's be honest, not great team. And he is a
big reason why the Ducks have turned around their play
and are actually sniffing around the playoffs right now. I
don't think they'll make it, but they're playing some relevant games,
which is good to see. I think his bash is
also pretty decent. Of course, you would like him to
shoot and hit a little bit more, but that's not bad.
And you love the power play time on ice. He's
getting twenty one total minutes on ice. It's just all
coming up with comb For me. I love that so Frankly,
if he didn't get anyone else, that would have been
pretty decent. But he did get Frank Lee Moore, Frank Nazar,
to be exact, Frank the Tank, who's a bit underrated.
I think I know he's a small guy. There's some
worries about him and Badard being smaller guys without someone else,
But I don't know that's going to be an issue.
I'm sure they can. I'm sure they're going to address
that in the offseason. They already brought in Fellino, They
have some other guys there who are a bit bigger,
and I think that they're gonna work that out. Nazzarre
belongs in the NHL. He's showing he's got a lot
of creativity and a lot of offense. I think he's
going to settle in to be above average NHLer and
above average Fantasy. Not necessarily top of your lineup guy,
but above replacement levels. So you love that, and then
you have a huge wildcard in Cole Eiserman. Right, he's
coming along. But he played a specific role at the
World Juniors and he did it really He scored when
he needed. All he does is score clutch goals. Right,
didn't he score a big one on the bean pot
or something like that. I can't remember exactly, but there's
been a bunch of instances where he's done some really
good He's come up clutch, and I think he's a
guy who could easily be thirty thirty to thirty five
goals guy in the NHL. The real question for me
is does he get enough assist to get above thirty,
because he might not. He might end up just getting
twenty or twenty five, but still with the goals, and
depending on the line, if it's driving enough, his Tidy
points per game might be either good to really good.
So I love it. I love all three pieces he got,
And you know you're losing Kine, who probably isn't gonna
matter that much. Eck Blad is going to be a
decent hole to replace, and certainly Mark Trifley is a
big piece that he's losing. But I think you're getting
really solid returns. So I love it.
Speaker 2: Ryan.
Speaker 1: What do you think?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I like the deal too. You're definitely not wrong
on Lacombe, who in his age twenty five season is
basically exactly even with Aaron eck Bladd in fantasy points
in the tidy eck Blad who was four years older
and a billion times more injured probably than lacomb So
that's a win. I think. I think Rob wins that
side of the trade pretty decisively. So Rob, you look
at the other pieces, he's obviously hoping he's acquired the
Islander's future top line winger with Barzel and hoping beyond
hope that he doesn't turn into an Oliver Wallstrom or
a Sievon Holmstrom who kind of falls into the middle
six and becomes irrelevant. And of course he, like you said,
he's probably acquired Chicago's two c for life here in
nas Nasar definitely a positive value return piece there. And
the plus is that at least Nasar and the Combe
can contribute now in his relegation playoffs while having the
upside of the age regardless, So it definitely works out
for Rob. That being said, if I had these players
on the bff's Mark scheif Lee, Aaron ek Blad, Patrick Kane,
they'd be staying because it's obvious that Shifley is more
valuable now as he crashes through Kobalchuks Thrashers Jets scoring
record last night at the time of this deal. That's sorry,
at the time this record, I should say, but it's
a nice move for Rob who is starting the long,
slow climb to the top and hopefully getting some guys
who are playing right now in Nasar and the Cone
can help him stave off relegation. Here. I want to
also just highlight here that the tighter, tidy Yager playoff
run should come with the tagline brought to you by
Rob as he has pumped up the second and third
place teams, making Shifley, Kine, Ovechkin and Eckblad relevant again
in the Yogur division as these teams fight tooth and
nail for a promotion to the higher tears. Thanks Rob
for the entertainment and way to go. We're gonna take
a quick break here and when we come back, we're
going to shine the interrogation spotlight on Victor Nuno himself
and ask him to defend several trades he made one
lonely night in Vancouver. You're listening to tidy Takes.
Speaker 1: There's a weapon.
Speaker 2: As I mentioned before the break, it's time to really
get in there with everyone's favorite EP ringside writer and
dabber prospects at her, Victor Nuno, Victor, why don't you
say the scene for us a little bit here? I
seem to recall that you were delayed at Vancouver's airport
and instead of looking at all the beautiful art that
features prominently in the departure's lounge there, you decided to
take a wrecking ball to your team and Lord Stanley.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is true. I was sitting in the airport.
Every time, I feel like every time I've gone to Vancouver,
I get delayed on the way back. So that was
just one other instance, three hour delay this time. It's
one of those things where you're sitting there and you
just keep getting alerts that it's just it's longer and longer.
I think you and I were actually messaging during that time,
and yeah, so I was also in the middle of
having my soul absolutely crushed by Jack Zie who it
was this long matchup that was extended, and it was
just every day was getting worse and worse, and there
was just no chance that I had, you know, of
making the playoffs. And so you know, those two, Jack
and Mason, those two are in a league of their
own and they're just they're fantastic. Anyways, so I picked
my soul out of the crusher and decided that I
needed to acquire some assets to do better the next time,
because this year really wasn't going to happen. It's funny
how this happens, because when mostly you don't want to
finish in the middle, it's like the worst place to be,
right you want to be a rebuilder, or you want
to be a contender. But in tidy Lord Stanley, I
feel like it's not too bad.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: It's a good thing. You're at the top, in the
top division and you actually don't have to worry one
way or the other. You can sell, you can retool.
You can't really retool if you're at the bottom because
you need those players to win, try to win first overall,
or try to improve your draft stock or avoid relegation.
But in the middle you can do that. I'd love
to be playing for the ship, but it just wasn't
in the cards this year, so I think it made
make sense to do to retool. And I'm pretty happy
that I was able to be a dispersal team and
at least land in the fat middle. So I'm happy
with that. And it was time to just not necessarily
totally blow it up, but to really move on from
some pieces and get whatever I could that would improve
me next year.
Speaker 2: One of the nice things Victor about finishing in the
middle in the tidy, and one of the reasons why
I think this happens and why it's not that big
of a deal, is that we don't really allow draft
pick trading except for the small window that happens prior
to and including the entry draft. For the Tidy leagues,
we don't allow you to trade your draft picks during
the year, and so you are really relying on your
team getting better over time, improving with age or with
increased opportunity, or you have to trade your way out
of it, which is what you've decided to do here.
So let me set it up a little bit. Victor
has traded a few NHL pro pieces here in Braiden
Shen and Can York, two Steel City Stars, who is
facing us right now in the first round of the
Tidy playoffs. So thanks a lot, Victor for trading those
veterans to this team that we are trying to beat
and taking away from him. San Jose also ran Nikolai Covalenko,
prospect d for Utah, Maverick Lameru and the gem of
this deal and I know you feel this way prospect
winger Quentin Musty, And just to set it up here
a little bit, Braiden Sheen is about a four four
and a half Fantasy points per game player, Cam York
a lot less at three point twenty five. Maverick in
his limited appearances has been below replacement level, but he
is still so young at twenty one years old, and
Kovalenko certainly is a bottom of the roster replacement level forward,
just sub three Fantasy points per game. The Steel City
Stars had this to say about the deal, saying that
they've made a bad series of deals lately. I'm sorry
that you feel that way at Steel City, but as
your opponent this week, I'm very happy to hear that.
She says he's not sure why, but in an earlier
deal he moved Grandland and Slaven for prospects Cancerov and Muse.
I like Roman Cancerov, by the way, so I don't
think that's big of a that's that big of a loss.
By the way, steel City, just so you know, because
he had so many sit start decisions and was only
getting Grantland in one or two times a week, and
that when he got Grand Linden, he was sitting in
equivalent players, so he figured he'd move some older guys
and get some future value. So bringing you to the
deal with Victor, he reversed course in his head and
said that he needed more depth and so went after
Shen thinking he would be a solid contributor. He did
mention in his message to me that Shen is playing
seven times in the matchup against the BFF, So again,
thanks a lot, Victor. As for York, he does really
like him as a hockey player. He's only twenty four.
Figured that he would take the gamble in the hopes
that he puts it together because he is decent on
the eye test for him as he is for many people,
myself included. He knows that the numbers aren't fantastic for
him in Philadelphia, but that he moves the puck well.
He hopes that he eventually moves on from Philly and
that he the original offer of Victor, and you can
maybe take us through a little bit from your perspective. Now,
the original offer had Musty, which I'm sure you would
have liked as well as Atu Ratu and Emil Heineman,
who are I would say, be to your prospects. Maybe
even c Steele City said that they don't have a
great read on Musty and to make a small splash
for the playoff run would move him based on what
he's read from the risk level that he is interpreted
from scouts of Musty, So he figures this pretty low
risk to really lose out on this swap, you countered
and wanted Lamaru, and Steel City had this to say
about Lamaru that he picked him up on free agency
last year, so it didn't cost him anything, and that
with players like Bixel, Lefshinov and Bruniki, that he had
some DTA spare on his back end. In the end,
Steel City is not sure that they had the best
series of trades here, but needed some depth in SHN
and York to compete in these playoffs. I'm going to
throw it right to you, Victor, what do you make
of Steel City's thoughts on this and what's your side
of all of this.
Speaker 1: I think it's so hard to make trades in Lord Stanley.
It's strange. As I mentioned, the middle teams are the
biggest sellers. The top and bottom teams are typically buyers.
Sometimes the bottom teams feel okay and they feel a
little safe and they might sell some pieces, but you
got to be careful. You can't get relegated, right, So
it's really tricky. So I think that's the part of
the issue. I'm in the bracket where I can win
fifth overall, I finished twelfth, so at worst I finish twelfth,
and that's fine. If I can do better and get
up to fifth, great, but I'm not going to push
my chips into Andrew improve my draft stock by a
few places and fifth overall is fine, but it's not
that amazing, not a huge deal for me. If I
end up just sticking at twelfth and I was going
to move some pieces, it's actually the perfect place to
be in. I think twelfth is the perfect place to
sell as much as you can to contenders or people
who want win now pieces. Yeah, do that, Yolo, is
what my attitude was. I love Quentin Musty. I think
the kid has top line winger upside all day long.
Probably more of a line two realistically, but he has
that upside to get there. He bangs. He put him
next to Celebrini, and I think those two can work
magic together. I saw a little bit of that at
the Prospect scrimmage that I went to, and you could
just tell that there's some chemistry there. I've been honestly
skeptical of Lamerou. I think that Arizona back in the
day and now Utah I drafted him because with the
measuring tape, I think that he has indisputable physical attributes.
But I think He's come a long way based on
his game since then, and he's going to get a
million chances because of the frame and the fact that
he can move. Okay, So he's someone that I wanted
and the fact that he's his proximity to the NHL
is close, and so whenever I'm doing a trade like this,
I want guys that I think can contribute when I
need them to, which for me, is going to be
next year. So is must he going to be available
next year? Maybe he might make the team and contribute. Realistically,
it might be two years, but he's on that time frame.
Lamaru is right there. He should Lamro, he should get
opportunity next year. So I like that. Covalenko is whatever.
I watched him a couple of times in person this
year and he's got some sneaky good skill and in
the right situation, I think he can be good, but
I don't know that will happen. So that was just
a throw in, and he was injured at the time,
so could throw him on the IR ended up moving
some other guys around or dropping so it was fine.
But I really want the games played with Lamro. I
think he's going to have a pretty decent floor and
being able to flex him up and down is going
to be nice and musty. He's just, you know, he's
someone that I really wanted. That was the focal point.
As you mentioned, losing Shan to me is no biggie.
He looks cooked. Maybe he gets moved there talking about
moving him at the deadline. Maybe if he does, he's
gonna get moved down the lineup. So I'm not too
worried about that. I'm not too worried about losing him
in the future. York. I do really like York. In fact,
I think I mentioned early on in the season, I
had a York for Alexei protest deal in my inbox
waiting for me to accept it. And this is when
protest was just breaking out, and I just wasn't sure. Man.
I wish I had smashed that accept button because he's
so good now. But I still think York is still
really good defenceman. I think I'm just not sure he's
ever going to be as valuable as we would like
him to be in fantasy, or he deserves to be.
Maybe with the right usage he can get up to
a bit above replacement, closer to average. But I'm just
not confident in that. That's why I was fine moving on.
But I do still like him and I certainly rooting
for him.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, York is He's an player for sure. Like
I said earlier, he does pass the eye test, and
he does a lot of things. I don't know. There's
just a lot of competition in Philadelphia for that role,
I think, and there's a lot of unpredictability with Towarts
at the Helm. And even if Towarts moves on and
is not the coach anymore, the rumor is that he
will move into the front office and you know, into
the managing staff, and so who knows what kind of
chance York will get. You know, I do think it
would be better if he maybe moved somewhere else and
got the opportunity to, you know, Erasmus Sandin moving to
Washington and immediately jumping into the top four there. I
wonder if York could do the same thing for another team.
Either way, I think in this case, your team and
Steel City both get what they're looking for. At the
end of the day, steel City gets depth for the
playoffs and you get Quentin Musty, which is all you
really wanted. Let's be honest. We've talked about Maverick topping
out at a top four defenseman, which certainly has some
value in our league. Covalenco is someone you could throw
in the lineup once or twice every two weeks and
get something from. But yeah, Musty is the prize here,
and I think people are really undervaluing Musty because of
his heavy boots. But I think his skating has started
to improve, and it's the most developable trait that you
can have in a player, is skating. Just get him
with the skating coach three times a week, see what happens.
So I think he will continue to improve. He is
starting to develop the pace that he needs to compete
in pro hockey. I do have a quick logic puzzle
for you here and you can maybe tell me what
you think about this. Misa is to Egor Chernishov, and
that's Michael Misa, not Luke. Michael Misa is to Igor Chernishev,
as Maclin Celabrini is to Quintin Musty.
Speaker 1: I'm not exactly sure where you're going with those, but
if you think that they are complimentary pieces that could
absolutely thrive together, then I'm totally on board. With that,
and I Chernishov is someone we weren't planning on discussing,
But man, does he look out of place in the OHL.
He's just destroying the competition there. He looks great. He
looked great. He looked great before when I've seen him.
And yeah, Michael Misa, we'll see where San Jose finishes.
It looks like they're going to finish at the bottom.
I feel like they'll take Shaeffer if they're there, but
if not, there's a lot of pretty exciting forwards because
this is not a great defenseman draft, so I feel
like it's either Shaefer for them or a forward. I
think Mysa would be incredible and talk about a one
to two punch down the middle. Holy Moly, that would
be incredible.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just wondering if I imagine the San Jose
scouts are seeing a lot of Mesa right now because
of Cheronashev. They're probably paying attention to Chernishev's meteoric rise
of the Ohl right now on the wing with Misa,
and so I wonder if we're looking at a potential
one two pairing, maybe you throw a Will Smith in
on one of those lines too, and San Jose is
looking like they could be pretty sick in that top six.
Do you want to talk more about Cam York New
York Is.
Speaker 1: I think he's a really good hockey player. I think
he may not ever be that good in fantasy. I
notice his ozone dropped by almost ten percent this year,
and I think that's partially because it's not really Offense
isn't necessarily his jam. He's not a guy who's super
dynamic offensively and that you need a shelter. But he's
an all situations kind of guy who can chip in offensively.
His defensive metrics are off the charge. He's a ninetieth
percentile defender. Sometimes people just look at him and say, oh,
he's small, he can't defend. That is totally not true.
But he also isn't like a power play specialist kind
of guy. So if you want him to do more offensively,
I think you're going to be left wanting. So he's
a good player. I think with a different coach, maybe
he gets put more into that role, but I think
that's miscast for him. So I think this is more
or less who he is. He's never going to be
a Tyson Barry, but maybe he could be Vince Dunn.
That's the name I came up with. And if you remember,
Vince Dunn was pretty boring for years in Saint Louis,
and then now that he's gone to Seattle, he's had
some pretty exciting seasons and got paid and looks like
a kind of different player. So maybe or could be that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I really like that comparison. York was this player
who was formally described as highly skilled with impressive hockey sense,
very mobile, with a good passing game and a quick release,
and he's solid defensively, and so that does sound like
Vince Dunn. And as a Vince Done owner, I'd be
very happy with York if he turned out to be
similar to Vince, just not in this fantasy playoffs. If
you please, Steel City, I'd be very happy for him
to stay mid until the end of next week. So
let's just keep a lid on it until then, and
then you can go off as much as you want,
Cam York, and now Victor, we have a bit of
an interesting discussion to have here. It's one that we
haven't really talked much about in the preparation of this episode.
As I mentioned, we've been talking all morning about trades
in our other dynasty league. But this is actually a
trade that the BFFs and you your team made when
you were stuck in that Vancouver airport. We did make
a trade to improve our prospects in the playoffs going forward. Here,
the BFFs Ed and Rye Raie acquire Sergei, Bobrovski and
Zachary LaRue from Victor's team for prospect center slash winger
Joshua Raw of the Montreal Canadiens, goaltender Joel Blumkfist for Pittsburgh,
and d defender Luca Cannoni of the aforementioned San Jose
Sharks and Victor. The tiny managers are voting overwhelmingly sixty
six percent in favor of the BFFs here. How do
you respond to them?
Speaker 1: Lies? No, I'm just kidding. I think that's fair. I
think most of these polls have shown they favor the
win now side, and that's fair. Bob, I think is
by far the best player in this deal, so there's
no issue with that, and I think he's got a
lot of game left him. Some people might look at
him and say he's thirty six years old, so he
doesn't have much more left. I would definitely push back
on that. I wouldn't be too worried about the decline
save for injury, which highly flexible goalies can be prone
to injury. Not wishing that on him, but certainly the
kind of guys like him can play into their forties.
Certainly elite goaltenders one a Stanley Cup one vesnas he's
a guy who can stick around. I pulled up a
list on Kwan Hockey of goalies who played in their
forties and just think, closureize, and think, because I did
this from memory and I only came up with a
few names, but then when I looked it up, there
are a lot of names on here. Dwayne Rolison, Ed belfour, Hashik,
Greg Anderson, Martin Berder, Marc Andre Fleury was doing it now,
Ryan Miller. A lot of these guys towards the bottom
of the list only played a few games, But you
have at least half the list here who played thirty plus,
which is pretty impressive. So I think that Bob could
certainly be in that category. So you're looking at least
four more seasons of production from him, So I think
that's fine. LaRue. I think he can be a contributor
if he can learn to tow the line a little
bit better avoid suspension, which I think he can. I
think he can be Tom Wilson light and so that's
pretty cool. I'm sure you're loving that. And Joshua had
a tough year. I think it sounded like I thought
he had a roster spot locked up based on last
year's play, which was really impressive, but it didn't sound
like he showed well in camp and so he had
a little bit more work to do in the AHL.
I still think he's a top six player, top power
play kind of guy. He just always worked his way
into that mix wherever he goes, being a later draft pick,
though he was drafted high in junior, but the foot
speed was an issue. But I just think his timeframe
fits my team better than yours. I think he should
be good to go next year and contribute a little
bit more so that works. And then Blownquist, I think
he's the next starter in Pittsburgh. I'm not sure that's
going to be worth a whole lot, but I do
think that he's a really good goalie. And Ryan, during
the negotiations, you said to me Blonnquist will basically be
at Bob's level last year. So now I'm injecting you
through the airwaves remotely with truth serum, and you have
to tell us was this just you talking up your
guy or do you really.
Speaker 2: Think that a little gamesmanship never hurt anybody victor, especially
in our fantasy hockey world at trade deadline time, right,
I'm sure you've maybe fudged it a little bit to
get a deal done. The reality is that we have
Marc Andre Fleury, who, as you mentioned, is forty years
old and is retiring this year. I wanted another steady,
veteran backup to take on back up on our team.
I should say he's obviously going to be still a
starting goalie or on one A one B with Spencer
Knight for a couple of years to come here, but
we needed a veteran to take on Flury's role on
our team as a support starter behind Joseph Wall and
Jake Ottinger. And I feel like a starting Blomfist on
the Horrible Penguins is going to have similar production from
a fantasy point standpoint as an aging Bobrovski, with more
upside for Bobrovski who has done it for a long time.
That's basically what I meant with saying that Blomfist could
be at Bob's level next year. And honestly, Victor, I'm
taking the opportunity here while I can to get out
from under Pittsburgh's bad goaltending and with how all the
goalies have crapped out there in recent years, going all
the way back to Tristan Jerry, Pittsburgh goaltending coach Andy
Keyota is not looking like a great fit for that team.
Turns out, Victor, that you can get a goaltending coach
job if you were an okay starter for the AHL
team fifteen years ago. He I'm happy to get a
way from that goaltending coach and from that kind of
situation for Blumkfist, much as I like him, And I
will also say Edward was not high on me acquiring
Blumpfist in the first place, which we did last year
at the trade deadline, and I'm happy that we were
able to turn him into Bob. Is it possible that
josh Wa could be a middle six winger in Montreal?
A lot of competition for those roles. You do have
some of those older guys like Anderson Gallagher, Armia those
guys will probably be phased out soon in Montreal, so
there could certainly be an opportunity for WAH. But I
think we have enough of those guys on our team
with Connor Garland and Nick Paul and Schmaltz middle six
productive guys kicking around on our team. We feel like
Zach LaRue is actually the twenty one year old q
player that we want right now, as unlike Wah, he's
playing in the NHL and he hits, which is rare
for prospects from the Quebec Maritime Junior Hockey League. But
come on, we've gone too long here, Victor, without telling
talking about what you are probably viewing as the prime
asset here, tell us about Luca Cagnoni, Victor, who was
rocketed up your prospect ranks if I'm not mistaken, and
has been a big favorite of yours for years now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've called Kagnoni Layne Hudson light and for good reason.
He's tearing up the AHL as a nineteen twenty year
old so far thirty seven points in forty eight games.
Not only that, but he's playing the second most of
any time on ice of any skater he's play driving
could be a bit better, but that's partially because of
the team and he doesn't have the best bash, But
I think he can be a sixty to seventy point defenseman,
which is pretty huge. And I think it depends on
how the organization uses him. I think that they're starting
to view him as their power play quarterback of the future.
It might depend a little bit on who else enters
the organization or who they draft. Maybe that's Matthew Schaeffer
in the future, we will see. That might hurt his
stock a little bit, but I think that they're starting
to really view him that way. I'm looking at his
FHL player card now, and he shoots a fair amount,
but the priffs, the blocks and shots are a bit
lower or sorry, the blocks and hits are a bit
low or I think part of this is also because
he's in the AHL and they're asking him to play
a specific role and he's doing it exceptionally well, So
I think that has to be noted. And yeah, he's
an incredible piece that I would want to hang on
to if at all possible, and or acquire, which is
what I did.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you mentioned that Cagnoni is not the best play
driver from what I've seen, and I've watched a lot
of Cagnoni recently, it seems once he gets into the
offensive zone that he just makes the Ozone his daddy.
He just can do anything in the offensive zone that
you could even possibly want him to do. He can
shoot from the point, he's got a slap shot, he's
got a risk shot. He generally gets into the slot
to take that shot. He can go in front of
the net, he can tip pucks. He likes to do
this aggressive ozone defense where he kind of pinches in
and he will get He obviously will only do it
usually when there's a lot of guys below the red
line on the other team. He does insert himself aggressively
into the offensive zone. So that's I think why you're
getting And you and I have both been on the
Cagnoni train for a long time. We were very happy
to have him in the BFF system as our top
d prospect, but his rise this year with the Barracuda
made him a candidate to be traded to help us now,
especially since we are going against Mason and jack Z
to try and win the title. And while I believe
strongly in Cagnoni's offensive potential, I'm still a little bit
leery about his defensing defensive play. I've recently become a
regular viewer of Will Scouching and his live streams, and
he has these video room sessions that he does where
he watches a game of an NHL prospect and dissects
the game. And so he watched a Barracuda game and
watched a game of Cagnoni and about twenty five minutes
of Cagnoni goodness, I would recommend it. There were a
few times in that game where he pinched a little
too deep into the offensive zone and was burned going
the other way. He definitely has the quickness to get
back after those pinches, but I don't think he'll get
away with that in the NHL, which gets bigger and
faster by the day. It seems We've talked a lot
about how I love the archetype of small, speedy defenseman,
but the league seems to be less and less interested
in giving these guys opportunities as longer. Defenders with reach
are in the zeitgeist now, especially after the Four Nations tournament,
we saw Adam Fox look very different when he was
playing against some of these bigger, rangier guys, and so
I wonder if we might have a similar problem with
guys like Cagnoni. All that being said, scouting's pretty high
on Cagnoni, as anyone should be, but he does offer
the caveat that he will need to be sheltered and
given power play two minutes just to see if his
offensive game can actualize in the NHL. I too, wonder
if he will be given the opportunity to realize that
sixty to seventy point season victor, our ceiling victor, or
if he will fizzle out like a Kalin Addison or
Eric Branstrom type. I will give him credit though. He
does dominate the offensive zone, getting inside for quick shots
and occasionally taking into the net for high danger scoring chances.
Any thoughts on that before we wrap it up here?
Victor on Cagnoni, Yeah, I appreciate that. What I've seen though,
is that he can defend well enough. He's never going
to be your stopper. He's never going to be your
number one put out there in all situations. But I
also don't think he's a liability. His stick is really good,
his positioning is good.
Speaker 1: I've seen him use leverage to knock bigger guys off
puck and even battle really hard in the corners. He
doesn't come out away with the puck all the time,
but often enough to not be like a huge problem.
And so I think that's just an average. If he's
average defensively, then I think the offense is exceptional. Great too, exceptional,
I think, and so that's and I think he makes
all the players offensively around him better. So that's a
big that's a big plus.
Speaker 2: Now you're making me sad, Victor, because I'm going to
miss having Luca Cagnoni. Fortunately, I think we do have
him in our co managed league, so that's pretty exciting
as well. But that's it for the trades we're going
to talk about today, Victor. To recap, we had some
fascinating cell load deals at the end of subpar seasons
from yourself and Rob, and some smart trades to set
teams up for the playoffs, which is really what this
trade deadline is all about. Looks like everyone got what
they were looking for. None of these deals are particularly
egregious for value standpoint. Before we go, I'd love to
just get your thoughts here on what ended up being
a very quiet trade deadline across the tiered Dynasty League.
We had a few deals in the final weekend prior
to the trade deadline, but not the kind of volume
I think some of our tidy managers were expecting from
this trade deadline. What are your thoughts on that as
we sign off for today.
Speaker 1: I think it's a very interesting league, and so the
trades are always a bit different, and I think this
is good. Sometimes when you have a pure dynasty and lottery,
it's a little bit easy just to sell everything off,
and I think it can beef up the top teams
a little too much. So I frankly like that there's
everyone has a little bit of something to play for,
even me at going for fifth overall. But I think
it really shifts the value a little bit, and people
have to really add pieces to make the value equitable,
and to really think about roster spots, to think about
who's going to be playing and when, of their miners' eligibility,
and I just think that there's a lot of really
fun things to consider, and so that's why I like it,
and I like having this early is always a bit
tricky because you don't know which players have moved. I
know a lot of teams like having it after the
or are leagues like having after the NHL trade deadline,
which can be fun, But I personally this set up
better where you have a long playoff. We always have
two week matchups for our playoffs, and I think that
works really well.
Speaker 2: What do you think, Ryan, Yeah, the long playoff matchups
I think are the best way to figure out which
teams are actually the best teams because you have that
longer sample size. Teams that are actually really strong like
Mason's and Jacks will probably outpace teams like my team
over two weeks. But the same is true for other
matchups in the playoffs, and so you do have the
consolation around robin tournament, for instance, they get a long
time to figure out how good these teams actually are.
The first overall tournament, in the middle of the bracket,
it's the best team that's going to win that because
of these long playoff matchups. I think it's great to
have it this early. Like I said, like you said earlier,
I want to just bring it back to what you
said about how the teams at the top and the
bottom in the Tidy league are more adverse to trading
because they have stuff to play for more so than
the middle teams do, although everyone has something to play
for in our setup, and so I think that's part
of it. We had a number of teams that were
looking to get a little more done. I think that
they than they did. But that's the perks and perils
of playing in a league like this. But certainly I'm
happy to be here doing it because it is so
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Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you so much Ryan for joining us and
exciting Tiered Dynasty season, and definitely join if you want.
We have some really, we have a lot of fun,
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you get a lot of bonus perks as well, so
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