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On today's show, Grand Platner 35 00:01:39.599 --> 00:01:42.680 suspenses campaign against Susan Collins, and now there's a very crowded, 36 00:01:42.959 --> 00:01:45.959 very chaotic race to succeed him. The Warner Ran appears 37 00:01:45.959 --> 00:01:48.280 to be starting back up again, even though Donald Trump 38 00:01:48.359 --> 00:01:50.239 is confused about the name of the country he's attacking. 39 00:01:50.359 --> 00:01:53.680 That's a real thing. Then, former North Carolina Governor Roy 40 00:01:53.719 --> 00:01:57.040 Cooper talks me about the campaign for Senate. Alex, thanks 41 00:01:57.040 --> 00:01:58.680 for being here today and replacing John. 42 00:01:59.319 --> 00:02:01.799 It's a pleasure, although I mean we all miss John 43 00:02:01.879 --> 00:02:05.400 whenever he's away. Crazy shit happens. 44 00:02:05.480 --> 00:02:09.360 Stan It's true he spends his vacations in the middle 45 00:02:09.400 --> 00:02:13.840 of online fiascos. That's either here or there. Okay, let's 46 00:02:13.840 --> 00:02:16.759 start with the Platner news. Two long days after Politico 47 00:02:16.879 --> 00:02:19.879 broke the story that Pitner had allegedly raped a former girlfriend, 48 00:02:20.199 --> 00:02:23.599 Platner posted an eleven minute video on Wednesday evening saying 49 00:02:23.639 --> 00:02:26.000 he would file the formal paperwork to withdraw his name 50 00:02:26.000 --> 00:02:28.120 from the ballot, but also sharing a lot of other 51 00:02:28.159 --> 00:02:30.039 thoughts too. Let's take a listen. 52 00:02:30.719 --> 00:02:32.240 I think, as many of you know, over the past 53 00:02:32.319 --> 00:02:36.039 couple of days, I have faced some very serious allegations, 54 00:02:36.120 --> 00:02:38.479 and I just want to make it clear this is 55 00:02:38.520 --> 00:02:42.680 all false. I think it's really important to understand why 56 00:02:42.719 --> 00:02:47.240 this is happening in the timeline, why this is happening 57 00:02:47.560 --> 00:02:51.400 right now. I only have until July thirteenth until I 58 00:02:51.439 --> 00:02:55.400 am officially the nominee. This was the last week to 59 00:02:55.479 --> 00:03:00.960 try to get me off of the ballot. That's why 60 00:03:01.000 --> 00:03:06.719 this is occurring. It's not the false allegations though, that 61 00:03:06.759 --> 00:03:09.680 have brought us to where we are. It's the fact 62 00:03:09.759 --> 00:03:15.800 that they are being used by the political establishment to 63 00:03:15.840 --> 00:03:23.000 put structural pressure on us. What comes next needs to 64 00:03:23.039 --> 00:03:26.039 come from the people. I'm not trying to dictate to 65 00:03:26.120 --> 00:03:29.039 anyone who it should be or how we get there, 66 00:03:29.080 --> 00:03:33.240 But I will say this, it needs to be open, transparent, 67 00:03:33.599 --> 00:03:34.639 and democratic. 68 00:03:34.919 --> 00:03:37.439 As of this recording on Thursday afternoon, Planner has not 69 00:03:37.520 --> 00:03:40.039 actually filed the paperwork to have his name removed. The 70 00:03:40.080 --> 00:03:43.240 deviline is five pm Eastern Time on Monday, but there 71 00:03:43.280 --> 00:03:46.840 is reporting that he will wait until then to do it. Alex, 72 00:03:46.840 --> 00:03:48.599 what are your thoughts and his decision to drop out 73 00:03:48.879 --> 00:03:50.560 in the message in that video? 74 00:03:50.840 --> 00:03:56.280 Asshole? Asshole, asshole? Those are my thoughts. First of all, 75 00:03:56.520 --> 00:04:00.080 nobody needed to hear Graham Platner uncensored for twelve minutes, 76 00:04:00.199 --> 00:04:03.439 and the conceit in that video is preposterous that I 77 00:04:04.039 --> 00:04:06.800 guess we're meant to believe that a rape victim is 78 00:04:06.800 --> 00:04:10.080 a crisis actor, and that crisis acting is being used 79 00:04:10.080 --> 00:04:13.319 by the Democratic establishment to get Graham Platner out of 80 00:04:13.319 --> 00:04:15.919 the race, never minding that Platner's exit from the race 81 00:04:15.960 --> 00:04:20.199 greatly complicates the race and potentially throws it further into jeopardy. 82 00:04:21.120 --> 00:04:24.279 And there's no mention we didn't we thankfully did not 83 00:04:24.319 --> 00:04:26.439 play the whole video. But he never mentions any of 84 00:04:26.480 --> 00:04:29.240 the women who came forward on the record talking about 85 00:04:30.480 --> 00:04:35.240 violence and aggression, if not outright assault and rape. He 86 00:04:35.319 --> 00:04:38.160 never mentions and pushes back on any of those things. 87 00:04:38.160 --> 00:04:39.720 He just says this is all part of a deep 88 00:04:39.759 --> 00:04:42.639 state plot. I mean, it's totally outrageous. But maybe the 89 00:04:42.639 --> 00:04:46.560 most egregious part of it, I think is the fact 90 00:04:46.560 --> 00:04:50.759 that he suggests the system is hopelessly flawed and corrupted, 91 00:04:51.000 --> 00:04:55.319 and that a machine politics would not abide an insurgent 92 00:04:55.360 --> 00:04:59.279 grassroots campaign. The mission of the establishment right now is 93 00:04:59.360 --> 00:05:04.319 to quash real reform and real accountability, which is, you 94 00:05:04.680 --> 00:05:08.439 can have jaded views about the establishment, and I'm sure 95 00:05:08.439 --> 00:05:10.800 there's every reason for Graham Platner to have some of those, 96 00:05:10.839 --> 00:05:13.279 and for some of his supporters too, But right now, 97 00:05:13.360 --> 00:05:16.680 if the goal really is to oust Susan Collins, Graham 98 00:05:16.680 --> 00:05:19.759 Platner needs to make people believe. He does not need 99 00:05:19.800 --> 00:05:23.439 to further disillusion his supporters. He does not need to 100 00:05:23.480 --> 00:05:27.920 spin paranoid conspiracy theories. He does not need anybody in 101 00:05:27.959 --> 00:05:31.160 democratic politics and Maine to feel like this system is 102 00:05:31.600 --> 00:05:34.040 entirely rigged against them. He needs people to believe that 103 00:05:34.079 --> 00:05:36.439 there can be a good outcome. He needs to put 104 00:05:36.519 --> 00:05:40.199 whatever momentum he has left into the next candidate, and 105 00:05:40.279 --> 00:05:42.399 he's done exactly the opposite. I mean, I just think 106 00:05:42.480 --> 00:05:45.759 it's completely unconscionable that this is the way this guy 107 00:05:45.879 --> 00:05:46.839 is exiting the race. 108 00:05:47.639 --> 00:05:51.079 I my take on this is the subject line of 109 00:05:51.240 --> 00:05:55.639 your excellent newsletter, subtech newsletter, how the hell? Which is 110 00:05:55.680 --> 00:05:59.279 fuck grand Platner like this? I agree with everything you said. 111 00:05:59.639 --> 00:06:05.160 What is so infuriating about this is if he truly 112 00:06:05.399 --> 00:06:08.759 cared about getting people health care, about stopping a genocide, 113 00:06:08.800 --> 00:06:11.600 about making the economic and political system more fair in 114 00:06:11.639 --> 00:06:15.240 this country, that none of those things can happen if 115 00:06:15.279 --> 00:06:18.079 we do not beat Susan Collins exactly, And by going 116 00:06:18.120 --> 00:06:21.959 down this path of conspiracy theories to as you say, 117 00:06:22.000 --> 00:06:25.439 to dissolution supporters, he is making that less likely. He's 118 00:06:25.439 --> 00:06:27.560 making it harder to accomplish the things he did. This 119 00:06:27.720 --> 00:06:32.600 video is Trumpian in its nature. It is conspiracy theories, 120 00:06:32.680 --> 00:06:36.279 it's denial. It's making it entirely about himself. Now, Throughout 121 00:06:36.279 --> 00:06:39.680 this video he talks about how the movement they built 122 00:06:39.680 --> 00:06:44.120 and how whatever the process is, that the main Democratic 123 00:06:44.120 --> 00:06:47.439 particm company must be true to that movement. Now, it 124 00:06:47.480 --> 00:06:52.720 is impressive for a first time political candidate to beat 125 00:06:52.920 --> 00:06:55.439 the two term governor of the state and beat the 126 00:06:55.480 --> 00:06:57.680 d SEC and chructure and all that. That is an impressive thing. 127 00:06:58.240 --> 00:07:02.360 But like, just don't crawl so far up your own ass. 128 00:07:02.639 --> 00:07:05.839 You got one hundred and fifty thousand votes in main right. 129 00:07:05.920 --> 00:07:08.839 This is not the Robert Kennedy nineteen sixty eight campaign. 130 00:07:08.879 --> 00:07:10.519 This is not the Aboum two thousand and eight campaign. 131 00:07:11.040 --> 00:07:13.240 It is the smart thing for the party to do, 132 00:07:13.920 --> 00:07:17.439 to have a process that brings in the people who 133 00:07:17.439 --> 00:07:20.079 support a grand planner, because we do obviously need them 134 00:07:20.120 --> 00:07:23.079 to win. But this whole thing that this was some magical, 135 00:07:23.240 --> 00:07:26.319 messianic thing that he put together, he himself, and he 136 00:07:26.399 --> 00:07:30.199 only he put together, and we must pay respect to 137 00:07:30.360 --> 00:07:34.439 what he did. It's just fucking ridiculous. It's counterproductive. Just 138 00:07:34.680 --> 00:07:36.680 go away. It's the best thing he can do for 139 00:07:36.680 --> 00:07:38.000 the things he claims he cares about. 140 00:07:38.279 --> 00:07:40.839 Of course, he's waiting till Monday. It's like, first of all, 141 00:07:40.959 --> 00:07:44.120 time is of the essence every It's like paraphrasing the bear. 142 00:07:44.319 --> 00:07:47.839 Every second counts, and this asshole is waiting till Monday 143 00:07:47.959 --> 00:07:50.800 just because give me a fucking break. Secondly, what end 144 00:07:51.040 --> 00:07:53.759 to what? Why file the paperwork be done? We need 145 00:07:53.800 --> 00:07:56.600 to move everybody needs to move on. I say this 146 00:07:56.680 --> 00:08:00.959 in my newsletter and I genuinely believe it. Like, let Dan, 147 00:08:01.040 --> 00:08:02.800 we have a long history here, but let this be 148 00:08:03.079 --> 00:08:05.800 like the last conversation we have to have about Grand Planner, 149 00:08:05.839 --> 00:08:08.439 because the focus needs to be on Susan Collins. 150 00:08:08.480 --> 00:08:10.160 And we're going to get to Susan Collins after we 151 00:08:10.199 --> 00:08:11.800 finish their next fifteen minutes talking. 152 00:08:12.160 --> 00:08:12.600 We are no. 153 00:08:12.680 --> 00:08:15.839 Well no, I think, because I will say, and I've 154 00:08:15.839 --> 00:08:17.759 said this before, and I'm sure you agree with me 155 00:08:17.800 --> 00:08:21.920 on this, I'm sure there needs to be at some 156 00:08:22.040 --> 00:08:26.439 point a real I don't want to use proctology as 157 00:08:26.439 --> 00:08:31.120 the word, but like a real examination of soul surging 158 00:08:31.360 --> 00:08:35.600 about the lessons learned here. 159 00:08:35.919 --> 00:08:38.480 Oh, we're gonna We're going to do that today on 160 00:08:38.559 --> 00:08:40.039 this podcast in just a moment. 161 00:08:42.000 --> 00:08:43.799 Bless you. I'm getting ahead of myself. 162 00:08:43.840 --> 00:08:47.240 Oh yes, but let's before we get to that, because 163 00:08:47.279 --> 00:08:49.279 I do I do want to have a conversation about 164 00:08:49.279 --> 00:08:51.200 how we got to this moment, and I want to 165 00:08:51.200 --> 00:08:53.240 talk a little bit about where you were right and 166 00:08:53.320 --> 00:08:55.679 I was wrong and what it was, which we will 167 00:08:55.679 --> 00:08:57.480 get to, my promise, but I want to talk a 168 00:08:57.480 --> 00:09:00.399 little bit first about what happens next im prove with 169 00:09:00.440 --> 00:09:02.279 some of this on Polar Coaster, my show for friends 170 00:09:02.279 --> 00:09:04.840 of the pod subscribers. If you're a subscriber yet, I 171 00:09:04.840 --> 00:09:06.159 really don't know what you do with your life, and 172 00:09:06.200 --> 00:09:08.519 maybe you should visit cricket dot com slash friends who. 173 00:09:08.440 --> 00:09:11.639 Change that, but any of who I'm a believer. 174 00:09:11.960 --> 00:09:15.320 Provided that Platner does formally drop out, the main Democratic 175 00:09:15.320 --> 00:09:18.279 Party has until July twenty seventh to replace them. They've 176 00:09:18.279 --> 00:09:21.120 said they'll hold a convention to pick a new nominee 177 00:09:21.639 --> 00:09:24.320 and we'll make all the details public soon, although there's 178 00:09:24.320 --> 00:09:26.039 been a lot of reporting on what it is, and 179 00:09:26.080 --> 00:09:28.720 they claim that transparency will be of the utmost importance. 180 00:09:29.200 --> 00:09:31.240 What do you make of the convention idea? Is there 181 00:09:31.240 --> 00:09:32.679 a better one? There's a way not to make this 182 00:09:32.720 --> 00:09:33.600 process so messy? 183 00:09:33.759 --> 00:09:36.200 Noah, you got like, hey, listen, I'm the last one 184 00:09:36.240 --> 00:09:38.600 to have a better idea, but I would like to 185 00:09:38.600 --> 00:09:41.600 see I mean, there's been talk about town halls and debates. 186 00:09:42.159 --> 00:09:44.080 I mean, I think there has to be some before 187 00:09:44.120 --> 00:09:46.240 these delegates make the call. If it is in fact 188 00:09:46.399 --> 00:09:49.080 the leadership of the state party that is going to 189 00:09:49.120 --> 00:09:52.960 decide who the nominee is, one would hope there would 190 00:09:52.960 --> 00:09:57.639 be some concession to both you know, those delegates and 191 00:09:57.720 --> 00:10:00.919 the public in the sort of the and the notion 192 00:10:00.960 --> 00:10:05.559 of choice by having a full or full ish airing 193 00:10:05.720 --> 00:10:08.759 of their views. And and that's obviously going to have 194 00:10:08.759 --> 00:10:10.720 to be fairly abbreviated, but there needs to be some 195 00:10:10.759 --> 00:10:16.000 difference to you know, helping educate the public and the 196 00:10:16.000 --> 00:10:19.120 delegates about who these people are. I've done a glancing 197 00:10:19.159 --> 00:10:21.759 search on the internet, but that's not sufficient, and they 198 00:10:21.759 --> 00:10:25.399 haven't had to talk about their positions in a fulsome way. 199 00:10:25.480 --> 00:10:27.559 So I think that you know, there need. I would 200 00:10:27.639 --> 00:10:30.279 love to see some kind of public format where there 201 00:10:30.279 --> 00:10:35.039 whether it's debate, town hall, whatever, that's moderated and that's 202 00:10:35.120 --> 00:10:38.200 a you know, official feeling beyond just interviews with the 203 00:10:38.240 --> 00:10:39.720 press and podcast appearances. 204 00:10:41.080 --> 00:10:44.080 Yes, and so the way that we think this is 205 00:10:44.120 --> 00:10:46.320 going to happen is there would be this convention and 206 00:10:46.360 --> 00:10:48.559 I think would sort of model what would be like 207 00:10:48.559 --> 00:10:50.919 a brokered convention at a national party convention in an 208 00:10:50.960 --> 00:10:53.720 election year, and there would be I think in some 209 00:10:53.759 --> 00:10:56.759 ports of five hundred delegates. The sixteen I believe counties 210 00:10:56.759 --> 00:10:59.240 in Maine county parties would elect delegates. 211 00:10:59.519 --> 00:11:01.240 I think it's over six hundred delegates. 212 00:11:01.320 --> 00:11:04.600 That's why the hundred delegates from the sixteen counties, and 213 00:11:04.600 --> 00:11:06.519 they will So this is going to be party insiders 214 00:11:06.600 --> 00:11:10.960 under all circumstances, and like there's just no way for actually, 215 00:11:11.000 --> 00:11:12.720 you can't hold an election in this time period, so 216 00:11:12.759 --> 00:11:15.519 it's going to be this. This is probably this is 217 00:11:15.559 --> 00:11:18.440 going to be messy, for sure. There's going to be 218 00:11:18.519 --> 00:11:20.320 you know, candidates are going to try to you we'll 219 00:11:20.320 --> 00:11:21.559 talk about who the cans are in a second, but 220 00:11:21.600 --> 00:11:23.200 they're going to try to influence who the delegates are 221 00:11:23.200 --> 00:11:26.360 in all these places. They're gonna put up slates. It's 222 00:11:26.360 --> 00:11:28.600 gonna it's gonna be messy. Now, this is probably the 223 00:11:28.639 --> 00:11:32.039 best process if you want to involve as many people 224 00:11:32.080 --> 00:11:34.480 as possible and have the most transparency, because the other 225 00:11:34.480 --> 00:11:38.360 alternative is the state party committee just votes. And you know, 226 00:11:38.399 --> 00:11:40.399 this is that this is you know, we're in a 227 00:11:40.440 --> 00:11:43.559 weird bizarro version of twenty twenty four where we're losing 228 00:11:43.600 --> 00:11:46.320 a nominee very close to an election about the same 229 00:11:46.399 --> 00:11:51.240 number of days actually, and instead of what happened in 230 00:11:51.240 --> 00:11:53.240 twenty twenty four, were just one candidate, all the mcical 231 00:11:53.240 --> 00:11:56.519 becomes a nominee, We're going to have a process of 232 00:11:56.519 --> 00:11:59.000 some kind, and these people are going to compete, and 233 00:11:59.039 --> 00:12:00.600 maybe one of them will come and stand out, and 234 00:12:00.639 --> 00:12:02.279 hopefully at the end of this press ever can come together. 235 00:12:02.320 --> 00:12:03.879 So there are no good answers here, I guess is 236 00:12:03.919 --> 00:12:04.240 my point. 237 00:12:04.720 --> 00:12:07.000 But you know what, I'm looking forward to the mess. 238 00:12:07.080 --> 00:12:13.759 I think everybody's hungry for some sense that there's a 239 00:12:13.879 --> 00:12:18.320 real choice and there are real races and this is 240 00:12:18.360 --> 00:12:21.799 not a foregone conclusion on the part of party elders, 241 00:12:21.799 --> 00:12:23.519 and it's not a fed a company and Maine is 242 00:12:23.559 --> 00:12:27.840 pretty like from my podcast Runaway Country, we interviewed one 243 00:12:27.840 --> 00:12:30.120 of the people, Dan Cleeban, who's we're going to talk 244 00:12:30.159 --> 00:12:33.879 about this, one of the potential replacements for Platner. And 245 00:12:33.919 --> 00:12:37.080 there's so much frustration at the idea that Washington and 246 00:12:37.120 --> 00:12:39.679 Chuck Schumer and outsiders and elders know better and have 247 00:12:39.759 --> 00:12:43.200 involved themselves in this race. There's real desire to have 248 00:12:43.840 --> 00:12:46.759 some openness and all of this come what may. 249 00:12:47.200 --> 00:12:50.559 So as for who might run, intentional candidates started testing 250 00:12:50.559 --> 00:12:52.720 the waters even before Platners that he was leaving the race. 251 00:12:53.159 --> 00:12:55.200 Here's a small saal of how they're pitching themselves. 252 00:12:55.440 --> 00:12:57.759 So I'm the only candidate that's demonstrated that I can 253 00:12:57.799 --> 00:13:01.759 win statewide with a Conservatives, Republicans, and you know urban 254 00:13:02.120 --> 00:13:03.840 young people that are much more liberal. 255 00:13:04.159 --> 00:13:07.000 Maine deserves a fighter in this seat, and I will 256 00:13:07.000 --> 00:13:10.039 be that fighter. I will fight for Medicare for all 257 00:13:10.240 --> 00:13:13.799 because in the wealthiest country on Earth, nobody should ever 258 00:13:13.879 --> 00:13:15.720 go bankrupt over a medical bill. 259 00:13:15.840 --> 00:13:18.519 I own a small business here in Maine. I created 260 00:13:18.919 --> 00:13:20.759 built it from the ground up out of my garage. 261 00:13:20.840 --> 00:13:23.720 You know, employee over one hundred manors pay a living wage, 262 00:13:24.000 --> 00:13:26.679 provide one hundred percent of their health insurance coverage. I mean, 263 00:13:26.679 --> 00:13:28.679 I'm an outsider. I'm not an elected I'm not a 264 00:13:28.679 --> 00:13:30.759 career politician. I've never held elected office. 265 00:13:30.840 --> 00:13:35.240 That was former Main Senate President Troy Jackson, the state's 266 00:13:35.279 --> 00:13:38.120 former top health official in Need Ropshaw, and brewery owner 267 00:13:38.200 --> 00:13:42.279 Dan Cleeban on your podcast, Alex Runaway Country. Indeed, they've 268 00:13:42.320 --> 00:13:44.279 all said they will run. So I have Secretary of 269 00:13:44.320 --> 00:13:49.039 State Shennon Bellow's former congressional candidate and political operative Jordan Wood, 270 00:13:49.399 --> 00:13:53.200 former Platner staffer in congressional candidate Page Loud for her 271 00:13:53.279 --> 00:13:57.759 Senate candidate David Costello. State Rep. Valley Geiger is considering 272 00:13:57.919 --> 00:14:01.320 running two, although she hasn't officially said so. It's a 273 00:14:01.360 --> 00:14:03.879 lot of people. Can you find anyone compelling in this crowd? 274 00:14:03.879 --> 00:14:04.559 What do you make of him? 275 00:14:05.000 --> 00:14:08.000 I mean, I listen. I talked to Dan Kleban, who's 276 00:14:08.080 --> 00:14:11.480 the bar owner, the brewery owner. Nothing goes together like 277 00:14:11.519 --> 00:14:16.879 oysters and beer. And he was going to run last 278 00:14:17.799 --> 00:14:19.559 He has an interesting backstory in so far as he 279 00:14:19.600 --> 00:14:22.240 was going to run in last July and was told 280 00:14:22.320 --> 00:14:25.679 not to by the d SEC, the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee, 281 00:14:25.679 --> 00:14:27.960 which is of course under the aegis of the purview 282 00:14:28.000 --> 00:14:30.840 of Chuck Schumer, and is an example of just how 283 00:14:30.919 --> 00:14:33.799 fucked this process has been since it's an inception, right, 284 00:14:34.960 --> 00:14:37.240 and later dropped out of the race and endorsed what 285 00:14:37.559 --> 00:14:39.519 he entered the race, but Platner had sort of won 286 00:14:40.120 --> 00:14:41.679 the hearts and minds of a lot of Mayners at 287 00:14:41.679 --> 00:14:45.639 that point. He subsequently endorsed the governor, Janet Mills, and 288 00:14:45.639 --> 00:14:48.639 then dropped out of the race. He's compelling as kind 289 00:14:48.639 --> 00:14:52.279 of a sort of surrogate for the everyman, working class 290 00:14:52.320 --> 00:14:56.639 Maynor that Platner represented, even if some of his biography 291 00:14:56.720 --> 00:14:58.960 was a bit hazy around the edges as far as 292 00:14:58.960 --> 00:15:02.720 his working class Bondfie Day. Troy Jackson sounds like he's 293 00:15:02.720 --> 00:15:05.240 the person that most you know. He's gotten an endorsement 294 00:15:05.240 --> 00:15:08.759 from Rocanna, who was a key endorsement for Grant Platner. 295 00:15:08.759 --> 00:15:12.440 At least from a national Democrat. He I believe is 296 00:15:12.480 --> 00:15:18.440 a fifth generation logger from Alligash, which is like Blessed 297 00:15:18.480 --> 00:15:22.200 Maine and all their outdoorsziness, brewers and oystermen and laggers. 298 00:15:22.440 --> 00:15:24.480 He's a former president of the Main Senate. He has 299 00:15:24.519 --> 00:15:28.360 some experience. He's you know, I think he has the 300 00:15:28.440 --> 00:15:31.240 progressive bonafidees that people are looking for. I got to 301 00:15:31.240 --> 00:15:35.399 stop saying the word bonafides. Naravshaw is a really interesting one. 302 00:15:35.519 --> 00:15:38.120 He was acting I think director of the CDC for 303 00:15:38.240 --> 00:15:41.480 a minute as well. Yes, which makes me a little worried, 304 00:15:41.600 --> 00:15:45.759 given that the CDC has become very politicized, and you know, 305 00:15:45.919 --> 00:15:48.200 former CDC director and someone who is going to be 306 00:15:48.240 --> 00:15:51.879 asked about COVID. It's just like, I am not a 307 00:15:51.879 --> 00:15:55.679 COVID a vaccine denier or a COVID skeptic. But it's 308 00:15:55.919 --> 00:16:00.000 extra baggage in these insane and tumultuous times. I don't know, 309 00:16:00.080 --> 00:16:00.639 what do you think? 310 00:16:01.120 --> 00:16:03.960 I am all tapped out? On having opinions on Maine 311 00:16:03.960 --> 00:16:07.240 Senate candidates. Like, the truth is, I don't know any 312 00:16:07.240 --> 00:16:08.720 of these people well enough to know who would be 313 00:16:08.759 --> 00:16:11.519 a candidate. Sad thing is we're not really going to 314 00:16:11.600 --> 00:16:13.919 know when it comes time to pick the person. This 315 00:16:14.000 --> 00:16:18.879 is a very abbreviated process. I hope there is someone 316 00:16:18.919 --> 00:16:21.480 in democratic politics who was investing more than these six 317 00:16:21.519 --> 00:16:25.679 thousand dollars that the Yahoo's who recruited Grand Platner used 318 00:16:25.720 --> 00:16:28.639 to vet him and to do like full vets on 319 00:16:28.720 --> 00:16:31.399 all of these people so that everyone knows everything you 320 00:16:31.480 --> 00:16:34.759 possibly can know, because whoever this person is commanded a 321 00:16:34.799 --> 00:16:39.120 massive scrutiny because if like one of the tests will 322 00:16:39.120 --> 00:16:43.399 be like normally a main Senate candidate does something not 323 00:16:43.679 --> 00:16:47.440 obviously what Grand Platner has been accused of here, but 324 00:16:47.960 --> 00:16:49.480 you know, had some bad online you know in a 325 00:16:49.519 --> 00:16:51.759 different world of different race, and some bad online posts 326 00:16:51.879 --> 00:16:54.279 or something else would be like a little speed bump 327 00:16:54.639 --> 00:16:56.639 in this race. With this level of scrutiny after what 328 00:16:56.679 --> 00:16:59.519 happened with Platner will be giant news. So you've got 329 00:16:59.559 --> 00:17:02.320 to make sure whoever we pick, can we stand that scrutiny. 330 00:17:02.360 --> 00:17:03.799 That's I guess that's sort of the main thing. 331 00:17:04.119 --> 00:17:06.799 Yeah, two weeks, no big deal, great times to do, 332 00:17:07.000 --> 00:17:09.880 like vetting town Hall's convention, No problem, but they've got 333 00:17:09.960 --> 00:17:12.039 grand Platner's waiting until Monday to drop out. 334 00:17:12.200 --> 00:17:14.400 Yes, yes, so, because we definitely couldn't use the next 335 00:17:14.400 --> 00:17:17.359 and seventy two hours or so. It's fitting you're here 336 00:17:17.359 --> 00:17:19.200 for this episode because, as many of our listeners know, 337 00:17:19.599 --> 00:17:22.720 every time there's been big Grand Platner news or main news, 338 00:17:22.759 --> 00:17:24.599 it's just been a coincience. You and I have been 339 00:17:25.119 --> 00:17:28.160 on mic together, either on Pod Save America, on your 340 00:17:28.240 --> 00:17:30.240 podcast on YouTube. 341 00:17:31.599 --> 00:17:34.480 At one point, Dan, we talked about doing just a 342 00:17:34.519 --> 00:17:36.559 main senate podcast. 343 00:17:36.079 --> 00:17:38.799 Pod Save Maine. Yeah, you will not be doing. 344 00:17:38.640 --> 00:17:41.400 That now, Yes, Pod Save why if there's still a 345 00:17:41.440 --> 00:17:43.400 Senate race going on. Okay, I'm just kidding. We don't 346 00:17:43.440 --> 00:17:46.319 need to necessarily on. But here's how in the fox 347 00:17:46.359 --> 00:17:47.039 Hole we've been. 348 00:17:47.279 --> 00:17:50.480 Yes, we've talked at nine more than anything else over 349 00:17:50.480 --> 00:17:51.000 the last year. 350 00:17:51.079 --> 00:17:51.240 Here. 351 00:17:59.319 --> 00:18:02.400 This episode is sponsored by Better Help. 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