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Speaker 1: All Right, it is the top of the center hour,
Speaker 1: the second hour, which means it is time to go
Speaker 1: to the phones and find out what's going on with
Speaker 1: you and your home. Okay, Bruce, I got about half
Speaker 1: of your question. Uh, we were having a little trouble
Speaker 1: with the callboard. Uh, you're thinking about putting in a
Speaker 1: whole house fan or an attic fan.
Speaker 2: Run't buy me one more time, addict fan.
Speaker 3: Okay, at Attic Fan but I have about two dozen
Speaker 3: can lights and I'm concerned about sucking cool air out
Speaker 3: of the house.
Speaker 1: Gotcha, gotcha? Okay, So what kind of insulation is on
Speaker 1: the floor of the attic right now? That's bats of
Speaker 1: insulation and your can lights are sticking through, and are
Speaker 1: the insulate Is the insulation making contact with the can
Speaker 1: lights or are they just pulled back away from it?
Speaker 3: Some yes, some no?
Speaker 2: Give me all right. So it's a you know, it's
Speaker 2: it's a legitimate concern. H It's not.
Speaker 1: It's not as severe as you might think, because the
Speaker 1: idea of an attic fan is that you know, we're
Speaker 1: blowing the hot air out of the attic and we're
Speaker 1: not actually, you know, we don't want to be drawing
Speaker 1: on that internal house air. That's different than a whole
Speaker 1: house fan. But the attic fan is just in and
Speaker 1: of itself. But the thing that you can do, and
Speaker 1: it's a it's a relatively simple and inexpensive way to
Speaker 1: deal with this, is you can buy housings these covers, basically,
Speaker 1: these little heatproof insulation contact covers, and they're designed for
Speaker 1: recess can lights who that aren't ICEE rated I see,
Speaker 1: meaning insulation contact rated. Okay, Now it doesn't really matter
Speaker 1: to me whether yours are rated that way or not.
Speaker 1: Your concern is air infiltration through the can into the
Speaker 1: attic and then losing cool or warm air, you know,
Speaker 1: as you use your attic fan. So if you want
Speaker 1: to guarantee that that does not happen, you can simply
Speaker 1: for the number of attic based recess can that you've got.
Speaker 1: You you can go online. You can find these on Amazon.
Speaker 1: You can even find them at the big box stores,
Speaker 1: but they in the electrical section. They are these little
Speaker 1: boxes essentially, and they go over the can light and
Speaker 1: they sit on the you the top level of the drywall.
Speaker 1: And if you want to guarantee that you have no
Speaker 1: air infiltration, you can even put a little line of
Speaker 1: silicone around the bottom and quick just stick it down there.
Speaker 1: And now what we've got is we have sealed your
Speaker 1: ic housing, your your recess can housing in a insulation
Speaker 1: contact matter to the top of the drywall, and there
Speaker 1: is no more air infiltration between the two. Now, there
Speaker 1: are different ways of doing it as well. Sometimes you
Speaker 1: can actually just calk around the can lights, but a
Speaker 1: lot of can lights, especially the older ones, are quote
Speaker 1: unquote leaky as far as air infiltration goes, So better
Speaker 1: to put the box over the top and then you're
Speaker 1: good to go on anything you want to do in
Speaker 1: you're attic.
Speaker 4: Sounds good.
Speaker 1: I'll look into it, all right, Bruce, Thank you for
Speaker 1: your call, buddy, appreciate that. Sorry that we had issues.
Speaker 1: Let's see if we can actually start up with Jim. Jim,
Speaker 1: are you there?
Speaker 4: Yes, I'm here. How are you doing? Deed?
Speaker 1: I am good, Sorry, we had some phone issues. Here
Speaker 1: are you and I we're going to get started with
Speaker 1: your question. Then we're going to have to go to break,
Speaker 1: but let's get started with it anyway.
Speaker 4: Okay, Well, my question is I do a lot of
Speaker 4: fixing up furniture, building furniture, stuff like that, but my
Speaker 4: style is more mid century modern. But my house was
Speaker 4: built in nineteen eighty nine, so it's got the plant
Speaker 4: ledges all that. How how do I mesh these two together?
Speaker 4: And you know it's an eclectic but how do I
Speaker 4: mesh these two together to make it look cohesive?
Speaker 2: Right? Right? Okay? You know what?
Speaker 1: That is such a good question and I have such
Speaker 1: a good answer for you, but we're going to let
Speaker 1: everybody dangle on the end.
Speaker 2: Of that question. Let me pop you on hold.
Speaker 1: We're going to go to traffic, and then when we
Speaker 1: come back, we're going to answer Jim's questions about how
Speaker 1: do you mesh two different styles together inside a house,
Speaker 1: especially since he's living in a house that is not
Speaker 1: distinctly his preferred style. Great question, Jim, You hang tight, buddy.
Speaker 5: You're listening to Home with Dean Sharp on demand from
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Speaker 1: We are talking about finding your style today, and I'm
Speaker 1: taking calls right now, which means that the topics may
Speaker 1: be on style or may not be, because you set
Speaker 1: the agenda when it comes to calls. But Jim called
Speaker 1: in and he's trying to figure out how his style
Speaker 1: of preference, which is a little bit more mid century modern,
Speaker 1: could possibly work, and how he's going to mesh that
Speaker 1: with the fact that he lives in a nineteen eighties
Speaker 1: southern California home complete with plant shelves and all sorts
Speaker 1: of that bull nosed dry wall and heavy orange peel
Speaker 1: on the walls and all sorts of fun stuff. Am
Speaker 1: I hitting it right there?
Speaker 2: Jim?
Speaker 4: That is absolutely correct.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, So it's a big question, and there
Speaker 1: are different ways of approaching this answer, I want to
Speaker 1: do it kind of in phases. First of all, First
Speaker 1: of all, we should not over estimate the power of
Speaker 1: a kind of how do I want to put it,
Speaker 1: I want to put it nicely. We should know overestimate
Speaker 1: the power of the effect of attract home interior. Okay,
Speaker 1: I know it has its own vibe for sure, but
Speaker 1: usually if we want to, if we want to make
Speaker 1: the least amount of moves, anybody living inside attract home
Speaker 1: like a nineteen eighties tract home with all its little distinctives,
Speaker 1: anybody living inside that home that has a strong sense of.
Speaker 2: Their own style.
Speaker 1: When it comes to you selecting furniture and rugs and
Speaker 1: artwork and all of that, you will overpower the shell
Speaker 1: that you're living in, and you can transform that and
Speaker 1: get that vibe going without any big changes whatsoever. Okay,
Speaker 1: on a general you know, generally speaking, Okay, now, there
Speaker 1: may be some stark reminders of your homes, you know,
Speaker 1: nineteenies construction pass. But I've seen it again and again
Speaker 1: and again, and we have walked into homes and suggested
Speaker 1: nothing but interior decor changes and sometimes help out with
Speaker 1: a little bit of paint. But the fact of the
Speaker 1: matter is that anybody who's got a strong style presence
Speaker 1: in any home will in fact make that evident and
Speaker 1: will not be out done by the house itself, especially
Speaker 1: a tracked house. Okay, if you were trying to do
Speaker 1: this in an eighteen nineties Victorian home, that might be challenge,
Speaker 1: a bigger challenge, right or or craftsman home, it would
Speaker 1: be a bigger challenge. A home that knows who it is,
Speaker 1: has an architectural pedigree. These are homes that have to
Speaker 1: be massaged in a different way if we're going to
Speaker 1: change the style. But the fact of the matter is
Speaker 1: the interior of a nineteen eighties tracked home is not
Speaker 1: competing with you as much as you think if you
Speaker 1: get creative with it. So that's Steed step one, which
Speaker 1: I hope is an encouragement. The second thing, though, would
Speaker 1: be to be making minimalist changes to the house, and
Speaker 1: that would be in terms of not remodeling whole rooms
Speaker 1: or anything like that, but maybe losing the heavy orange
Speaker 1: peel texture on the drywall, maybe going for a smooth
Speaker 1: finished drywall. Maybe while we're doing that, pulling off those
Speaker 1: bull nosed corners, those rounded corners and replacing them those
Speaker 1: outside corners with squared off edge metal corners so that
Speaker 1: we get more of that geometric, tight, smooth finish.
Speaker 2: You may or may.
Speaker 1: Not want to fill in the plant shelf. Okay, And
Speaker 1: by the way, if you don't understand what we're talking
Speaker 1: about the plant shelf, if you've never been in a
Speaker 1: nineteen eighties one, quite often they have vaulted ceilings, and
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what they're actually for there, the builders
Speaker 1: creative way of running soffets around so that they can
Speaker 1: run air conditioning ducks and all sorts of funky stuff.
Speaker 1: And all of a sudden, right up there, just a
Speaker 1: few feet above you, there's a shelf, which most of
Speaker 1: us have called the plant shelf because we're like, I mean,
Speaker 1: nobody has actually ever called it anything in specific, but
Speaker 1: I think we all kind of shrug our shoulders and
Speaker 1: what are we going to put up there?
Speaker 2: I guess plants. I don't know.
Speaker 1: They're too high, they're too high up to water to
Speaker 1: take care of, so we don't do anything up there.
Speaker 1: So the point is this, you want to get creative.
Speaker 1: It's a nice it's a nice flat shelf. If you've
Speaker 1: got a some artwork that could go up above it
Speaker 1: in the space above it. Then that flat shelf makes
Speaker 1: a wonderful place to put some directional lighting up against
Speaker 1: the wall, okay, and so we can transport. So you
Speaker 1: see what I'm saying that the presence of a plant
Speaker 1: shelf in an eighties home, it's not that hard to
Speaker 1: redefine it. And the idea that a wall would ascend
Speaker 1: upwards in a mid century modern house and then have
Speaker 1: a niche in it, or take a jaw, get ninety
Speaker 1: degrees back and then continue up. That's not unheard of
Speaker 1: in a mid century modern motif, even if the architecture
Speaker 1: itself was built that way from day one. So the
Speaker 1: fact is, if it doesn't absolutely go against a mid
Speaker 1: century style, then work with it to think, okay, well,
Speaker 1: maybe that's a preason. Maybe that shelf becomes the presentation
Speaker 1: of a light bar that shines up against the wall
Speaker 1: and will highlight.
Speaker 2: Some artwork or whatever higher up on the wall.
Speaker 1: And now we don't have to worry about the dust,
Speaker 1: and we don't have to worry about watering plants that
Speaker 1: we can't reach, and it actually becomes a feature that
Speaker 1: lifts your head up in the room. So that would
Speaker 1: be like level one transformation, which is smoothing out the
Speaker 1: dry wall, squaring off the corners, and yeah, that costs
Speaker 1: some money, but it doesn't. It's not a major remodel, right,
Speaker 1: We're just reworking some surfaces in the room and better
Speaker 1: at tuning it to receive your decor and your furniture,
Speaker 1: and then we would kind of proceed on from there. Now,
Speaker 1: if you wanted to really really just say hey, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm ready to gut this place and to go full bore,
Speaker 1: then here is the most important thing I can tell you, Jim,
Speaker 1: and the thing that I want to tell everybody who's listening.
Speaker 1: You don't have to tear down your Spanish Mediterranean esque
Speaker 1: home in order to have a different interior. We learn
Speaker 1: this lesson from the Europeans. Okay, I have traveled extensively
Speaker 1: through Europe looking at architecture, interior and exterior, and of
Speaker 1: all the people in the world who are leading the
Speaker 1: charge of contemporary and modern decor inside a home, smooth, organic,
Speaker 1: clean line surfaces, you know, minimalist detail, all sorts of
Speaker 1: just really beautiful artistic approaches. It is the Europeans who
Speaker 1: are doing this. And I here's my theory. On it,
Speaker 1: and people are free to disagree with me. But the
Speaker 1: sense that I get is that if you grow up
Speaker 1: in a town that is literally eight hundred years old,
Speaker 1: and all the buildings and the streets are cobblestoned and
Speaker 1: the stone and all of these facades everywhere you turn,
Speaker 1: it's all.
Speaker 2: Old world, old world, old world.
Speaker 1: You get you but you're doing this in the twenty
Speaker 1: first century, right. You get a little tired of it eventually,
Speaker 1: and on some level you respect it and appreciate it,
Speaker 1: and in a lot of ways, you can't do anything
Speaker 1: about it because it very likely your European city that
Speaker 1: you live in is like, no, no, no, no, You're
Speaker 1: not touching that eight hundred year old stone facade on
Speaker 1: your building that you just bought your apartment or your
Speaker 1: flat on. But walk inside the door, and that eight
Speaker 1: hundred year old building turns into an ultra modern, contemporary,
Speaker 1: very sleek interior experience. And so that happens so often,
Speaker 1: so often in European homes these days, and I think
Speaker 1: it's because they already feel rooted in. They want to
Speaker 1: move into the future.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: Out Here in California, especially in southern California, we have
Speaker 1: a tendency. I find most people have a tendency to
Speaker 1: want kind of classic motifs because we want to feel
Speaker 1: rooted in the past. Everything out here is new and young,
Speaker 1: and you know, we don't feel we kind of feel rootless. Okay,
Speaker 1: so we embrace historical design, whereas the Europeans are like, enough,
Speaker 1: let's move on and so. But the point is this,
Speaker 1: very simply, the point is that there's nothing wrong with
Speaker 1: the exterior of a home telling one story and the
Speaker 1: interior having a completely different vibe, because it is very,
Speaker 1: very simply the fact that you can't see them both
Speaker 1: at the same time. Right Once you're inside the house,
Speaker 1: you're inside that environment, and when you're outside, you're outside.
Speaker 1: And so the idea of historical preservation on the outside
Speaker 1: of a house, just keep it, keep it, roll with it,
Speaker 1: make it work. But feel free once you step in
Speaker 1: the front door to change whatever, however and however much
Speaker 1: you want, if you want to be embraced, if you
Speaker 1: want to be embraced in a mid century interior that
Speaker 1: just happens to exist in a you know, Spanish med
Speaker 1: esque nineteen eighty shell, you know what, nothing wrong with that, whatsoever?
Speaker 1: What would be weird is to start putting mid century
Speaker 1: features on the outside of the house or trying to
Speaker 1: share the two on the inside. But if you want
Speaker 1: to go one way or the other, or one on
Speaker 1: one side and one on the other, no.
Speaker 4: Jim, Well, thank you. That answered a lot of my questions.
Speaker 4: Gave me a lot of stuff think about.
Speaker 2: All right, buddy, good luck with that.
Speaker 4: All right, thank you?
Speaker 2: All right.
Speaker 1: You see, see, this is why we take calls, because
Speaker 1: we learned some good stuff along the way. We're gonna
Speaker 1: take more calls.
Speaker 5: Right after you're listening to Home with Dean Sharp on
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Speaker 1: Dean Sharp, the house whisper, that's me, Thanks for joining
Speaker 1: us on the program today on this beautiful spring morning.
Speaker 2: Sunday, May eighteenth? Is that the date? Is that? Do
Speaker 2: I get that right? Look at me? Look at me?
Speaker 1: I got the date right. I always know what date
Speaker 1: it is, by the way, but I rarely know the date.
Speaker 1: It's just a fact of life around here. Tina is
Speaker 1: always reminding me of what date it is. She's like,
Speaker 1: what do you want to do on the seventeenth? I'm like,
Speaker 1: I don't know. Is this a trick question? Is the
Speaker 1: same seventeenth already passed us. I have no idea what
Speaker 1: the number is, and then you show me that. Okay,
Speaker 1: there it is. Okay, all right, we are taking calls.
Speaker 1: We're in the middle hour of our fine program here. Also,
Speaker 1: we are talking today about finding your style and handing
Speaker 1: you as much information as I can, as much help
Speaker 1: as I can for you to start really embracing the
Speaker 1: idea of finding your own style for your home, because
Speaker 1: that's we're all about here. We're all about turning your
Speaker 1: ordinary house into an extraordinary home. And how does that
Speaker 1: happen when it becomes more you. That's how it happened
Speaker 1: along the way. So we're going to return to that discussion,
Speaker 1: or we may have ben have some callers who want
Speaker 1: to continue that discussion. But when it comes to calls,
Speaker 1: you set the agenda and we can talk about anything
Speaker 1: that's on your mind. I want to talk to guy, Hey, Guy,
Speaker 1: welcome home.
Speaker 4: Hello, Hello Sarah.
Speaker 2: How can I help you?
Speaker 6: Yeah? I am interested in rebuilding a house and Altadena
Speaker 6: that would burnt down in fires. Oh thank you. I
Speaker 6: was wondering if a modular or a stick home. It
Speaker 6: doesn't make a big difference.
Speaker 1: Okay, really good question. A modular or a stick home.
Speaker 1: So let me explain this so that everybody who's listening
Speaker 1: is tracking with the conversation.
Speaker 3: Here.
Speaker 1: Modular home, by the way, different than a manufactured home.
Speaker 1: These are very confusing terms because they're both manufactured off site.
Speaker 1: But a manufactured home is what we would call a
Speaker 1: mobile home that gets built on a chassis, literally on
Speaker 1: a trailer chassis. Different animal altogether. So just so we
Speaker 1: know that we're going to set that one aside, that's
Speaker 1: not what we're talking about. We're talking about a modular
Speaker 1: home versus a stick framed home. Now a stick framed home,
Speaker 1: and people are like, what is that? That's the home
Speaker 1: you're living in. More than likely a stick frame home
Speaker 1: means that it was built piece by piece, stick by stick, okay,
Speaker 1: stud by stud on site, right there was nothing, and
Speaker 1: then we poured a foundation, and then the carpenters showed
Speaker 1: up and they started putting boards together and raising walls
Speaker 1: and all of that kind of That is a stick framed,
Speaker 1: stick built home. The difference between that and a modular
Speaker 1: home is that a modular home built out of the
Speaker 1: same materials, by the way, built in the same way,
Speaker 1: built according to the same codes, built just as well,
Speaker 1: if not arguably at points better, because a modular home
Speaker 1: is a preset design that is constructed in a factory,
Speaker 1: a factory that has fine tuned its waste materials. It's
Speaker 1: material usage, the process by which every wall and every
Speaker 1: roofline is constructed, and then those components, not the whole
Speaker 1: house itself, but the components of the house, wall, panels, roofs, actions,
Speaker 1: all of that are shipped out to the building location
Speaker 1: and then assembled there much quicker. Okay, So now that
Speaker 1: we've laid that foundation between the two, what is the difference. Well,
Speaker 1: as I said, construction wise, they can be exactly the same.
Speaker 1: They're built from the same processes, they are built according
Speaker 1: to the same codes. They're just as strong, just as
Speaker 1: safe when they're both built properly. Okay, it could be
Speaker 1: argued that a modular home has tighter quality control than
Speaker 1: a stick build home. I don't think that's necessarily true.
Speaker 1: It's just the question of whether whoever's building the stick
Speaker 1: build home is you know, a good builder or not,
Speaker 1: and whether they're doing work with integrity. So in theory
Speaker 1: they should have the same. If one is going to
Speaker 1: fall behind, it would actually be the stick build home Okay,
Speaker 1: So the advantages and disadvantage is what it really comes
Speaker 1: down to, Guy, in your situation of rebuilding after the
Speaker 1: Altadena buyers, it comes down to this. The pros and
Speaker 1: cons are that a modular home is going to be
Speaker 1: faster construction. They just build them faster, They assemble them
Speaker 1: on site faster. There will be cost savings because they
Speaker 1: build this home again and again and again, and they've
Speaker 1: wired in their waste and they've tuned it down to
Speaker 1: a minimum. So there are cost savings and quite often
Speaker 1: better quality control because of factory fabrication.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: And so those are the pros of a modular home.
Speaker 1: Faster construction, less expensive, okay, stick built home, more flexibility
Speaker 1: in design, and can be customized more as you built.
Speaker 1: So the real issue is this, As you are selecting
Speaker 1: between the two, and you're wise to look at both options,
Speaker 1: the question really comes down if you want to save
Speaker 1: the most money and rebuild as quickly as possible. The
Speaker 1: question simply becomes, is there a modular home design that
Speaker 1: really fits with you well enough? Off the shelf, because
Speaker 1: that's really what it is, it's an off the shelf home.
Speaker 1: Is there a design that fits with you well enough?
Speaker 1: That you'd be willing to pull the trigger and say, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what, that home design right there that works.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's good, that's good for us. We love
Speaker 1: that we And if that's the case, then you're probably
Speaker 1: if you were to build that exact same home in
Speaker 1: both methods, the modular home is going to go faster,
Speaker 1: and it's going to be.
Speaker 6: Less expensive, and the quality is the same.
Speaker 1: And the quality is the same, absolutely the same, because
Speaker 1: those modular home factories, they are subject to the same
Speaker 1: inspection and code requirement in factory as the building inspectors
Speaker 1: who come out to the house.
Speaker 6: The last question on that, does it lower the property value?
Speaker 1: Not at all, not in any way, shape or form,
Speaker 1: because it is not, like I said, not to be
Speaker 1: confused with a manufactured home. Okay, a modular home is
Speaker 1: a home. Once a modular home is built and installed
Speaker 1: on site, we could stick frame a home right next
Speaker 1: to it from the ground up. That's the exact same home.
Speaker 1: They would be the exact same home with the exact
Speaker 1: same effect on property value. Okay, So no, there's nothing
Speaker 1: about a modular home that lowers the property value. If
Speaker 1: it's a great home, a great design, and it fits
Speaker 1: the lot in your life. Well there, and you can
Speaker 1: find a design that works in that regard, there will
Speaker 1: be no change long term value, equity, quality of construction,
Speaker 1: all of it. It's simply about you know, I know,
Speaker 1: it's it seems that way for us. We raises questions
Speaker 1: because we're not used to homes being built that way
Speaker 1: kind of in mass, and they're not really in mass.
Speaker 1: But you know, you kind of think of it like, well,
Speaker 1: would you hesitate to buy a car from a major
Speaker 1: manufacturer that was produced on an assembly line versus a
Speaker 1: car that the guy next door who's a automotive expert
Speaker 1: built from the ground up in his garage. Okay, well,
Speaker 1: if the guy really knows what he's doing, then no problem.
Speaker 1: But you know, sure, shooting that guy's car is going
Speaker 1: to be a lot more expensive than if, you know,
Speaker 1: you know, buy the Toyota that just rolled off the
Speaker 1: line off the factory. Not a quality difference, not a problem, okay,
Speaker 1: just a difference in manufacturing process and as a result,
Speaker 1: speed and cost.
Speaker 6: I appreciate your answer, Thank you guy.
Speaker 1: Good luck with that, my friend. I'm sorry that you
Speaker 1: lost that home, and good luck and piecing it together.
Speaker 1: You are you are thinking all the right thoughts, exploring
Speaker 1: every avenue as we go.
Speaker 5: All right, you're listening to Home with Dean Sharp on
Speaker 5: demand from KFI AM six four.
Speaker 1: Glad that you are on the program with us. We
Speaker 1: are talking finding your style today. But we're in the
Speaker 1: second hour, so I've been taking calls. I want to
Speaker 1: take at least one more, maybe two, if we can,
Speaker 1: before returning to that conversation about finding your style. So
Speaker 1: let's go back to the phones. I'm ready for something,
Speaker 1: anything tough. Give me a tough one. Let's see. Let's
Speaker 1: talk to David. I have no idea.
Speaker 2: David, Welcome home.
Speaker 3: Good morning Dane. My name is David Dyke. Have a
Speaker 3: wood framed slat frames on the outside a garage.
Speaker 7: Built nineteen twenty five in Glendale. The tar paper is
Speaker 7: gone on the inside or torn. I want to waterproof
Speaker 7: and insulate and drywall the interior of the garage, and
Speaker 7: I staple tar paper to the inside of the two
Speaker 7: by fours. If I do that, should I cock it
Speaker 7: around the two by fours and would spray on insulation
Speaker 7: be better?
Speaker 4: Okay?
Speaker 1: Okay, that was that was a full menu right there,
Speaker 1: my friend. Yeah, So all right, let's just let's set
Speaker 1: the scene here. We've got a garage and built in
Speaker 1: when twenty five, twenty seven?
Speaker 2: When'd you say nineteen twenty five?
Speaker 1: So we literally have a one hundred year old garage
Speaker 1: standing on your property in Glendale. And it's obviously a
Speaker 1: wood framed garage, and it has siding on the outside.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay.
Speaker 1: And as we look inside the tar paper, the building
Speaker 1: paper that was put on the studs first before the
Speaker 1: siding was put on, the paper that was put on
Speaker 1: one hundred years ago, it's all messed up and gone
Speaker 1: or missing or torn away or I mean, is some
Speaker 1: of it there, some of it not? What's is it?
Speaker 3: Generally just it's there and some of it's not.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: So, and and obviously the the the the question is
Speaker 1: all geared around the idea that we don't want to
Speaker 1: touch the siding on the outside.
Speaker 7: Yes, sure, okay, unless there's a better suggestion for tearing
Speaker 7: it all off and doing something different.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, I'm okay, okay, So I'm going to be
Speaker 1: completely honest with you. All Right, the absolute guarantee of
Speaker 1: of getting it right for the long term, considering that
Speaker 1: the building paper is torn, screwed up, missing all over
Speaker 1: the place. Uh, the absolute guarantee would be to remove
Speaker 1: the siding from the outside. I'm at one hundred year
Speaker 1: old siding. I'm not saying that it's gonna survive, okay,
Speaker 1: but to remove it do everything as if we were
Speaker 1: approaching this project with fresh framing, meaning that we strip
Speaker 1: down to the studs, and that we wrap the outside
Speaker 1: of the of the stud the outside of the garage
Speaker 1: walls in vapor barrier and you know, fresh waterproofing materials,
Speaker 1: and then we put new siding back on. Of course,
Speaker 1: the new siding could be designed and ordered in such
Speaker 1: a way that it looks like the old stuff, and
Speaker 1: so when we put it back together, even though it's
Speaker 1: brand new, we're maintaining that hundred year old story. If
Speaker 1: that's the important thing. So the fact of the matter is, David,
Speaker 1: that if we want an absolute guarantee that we've got
Speaker 1: everything buttoned up from day one, you got to take
Speaker 1: the old siding off and treat it new. Because here's
Speaker 1: the trouble. The trouble is we can do a lot, okay,
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying that that's what I would do either.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying that that that's the one hundred percent
Speaker 1: guarantee that we get it right. We can do a
Speaker 1: lot from the inside. Okay, It's just that if there
Speaker 1: are leaks or any water intrusion through the siding whatsoever,
Speaker 1: onto the outside faces of those studs, then there's no
Speaker 1: way to stop that. If the building paper is still there,
Speaker 1: that's fine. If it's been torn away and pulled out
Speaker 1: from you know, behind the face of the stud as
Speaker 1: it gets torn away, which is often the case, there
Speaker 1: are elements of you know, portions of those studs that
Speaker 1: are bare between them and the siding and then the siding,
Speaker 1: and a good paint job is the only thing that's
Speaker 1: keeping that stud from being you know, having moisture intrusion,
Speaker 1: but well maintained siding and a good paint job will,
Speaker 1: in fact should handle the vast majority of that, and
Speaker 1: that saves you from yanking all that siding off. So
Speaker 1: let's just we're gonna go with Plan B, which is
Speaker 1: the sidings in decent shape, and we're gonna give it
Speaker 1: a really good and we're gonna caulk it on the
Speaker 1: outside on every lap. We're going to give it a
Speaker 1: really great exterior paint job so that it is shedding
Speaker 1: water and not absorbing and we're gonna get all that
Speaker 1: tuned up and from the inside. Yes, we're gonna then
Speaker 1: start with running calking down the sides of the studs
Speaker 1: where it connects to the siding, so that we seal
Speaker 1: up those channels as best we can, and then we're
Speaker 1: gonna run new vapor barrier. We can call it vapor barrier.
Speaker 1: You can use building paper, you could use a waterproof
Speaker 1: roofing membrane that's self ceiling. There are all sorts of
Speaker 1: different varia. You could even apply a wet compound like
Speaker 1: Redguard or a roller applied waterproofing membrane to.
Speaker 2: The back side.
Speaker 1: There are a number of different ways you could approach it,
Speaker 1: but to just assent, wrap down the side of the stud,
Speaker 1: attach it to the side of the stud, and wrap
Speaker 1: into the bay so that it's backing is pushed up
Speaker 1: against the siding. And then that'll give you the freedom
Speaker 1: once that's all done and calked in to insulate and
Speaker 1: to dry wall the inside. Now, if you were to
Speaker 1: ask me to evaluate that, I would take a look
Speaker 1: at the outside siding. If the outside siding seems like
Speaker 1: it's in good shape still and that we can bring
Speaker 1: it back caulk it, paint it, seal it up really
Speaker 1: really well. If there isn't any indication currently of major
Speaker 1: water intrusion, and that's the thing we should be able
Speaker 1: to see on the inside, since we're just looking at
Speaker 1: the backside of siding now and studs. If we don't
Speaker 1: see any major leaks or water intrusion coming through, then
Speaker 1: that's a really encouraging sign. And I would probably go
Speaker 1: with Plan B because it's a lot more inexpensive than
Speaker 1: replacing all the siding on the outside. You just give
Speaker 1: it all of that, and I would add one more thing,
Speaker 1: just to make sure that we've got no moisture getting
Speaker 1: into those bays from the outside. We might take some pecks.
Speaker 1: This is kind of an unorthodox but a really good idea,
Speaker 1: some PEX tubing, which is you know, plumbing pipe PEX
Speaker 1: piping which is flexible, And I might drill a half
Speaker 1: inch hole in the top plate of each stud bay
Speaker 1: and run a little PEX tubing up through that bay
Speaker 1: and then just up into the attic space as basically
Speaker 1: a snorkel or a vent, a place where air that
Speaker 1: might get humid or moisture ridden trapped inside that for
Speaker 1: any reason whatsoever, has a chance to bleed off into
Speaker 1: the attic space or the roof rafter area above. But
Speaker 1: you could approach it with that multi layered approach. It'd
Speaker 1: be faster, it'd be cheaper, and you know, depending on
Speaker 1: how good the sighting is on the outside, you know,
Speaker 1: you might pull it off and have you know, decades
Speaker 1: of good performance there. The only absolute guarantee would be
Speaker 1: to pull the siding them.
Speaker 3: And so if I pull the siving or is our
Speaker 3: other wood that like on a tough shed that would
Speaker 3: work good for that? Or should I just stuckle it?
Speaker 3: I stuckled the house at already. Oh I didn't want
Speaker 3: to spend that much more money.
Speaker 1: On it, right, I mean if you went that way
Speaker 1: then yeah, match you know, stuck of the house, stuck
Speaker 1: of the garage. Match the house with the garage, and
Speaker 1: uh yeah, then then you wouldn't. Then we've set all
Speaker 1: of that aside.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, I appreciate your wisdom on this.
Speaker 2: Thing, David good Luck.
Speaker 1: Just just know, whichever way you go, you know, you
Speaker 1: just want to be as thorough as possible to make
Speaker 1: sure that what you're doing is not compounding the problem
Speaker 1: but solving as many along the way. You don't always
Speaker 1: have to solve every single problem or every single weakness.
Speaker 1: If you solve ninety eight percent of them, chances are
Speaker 1: you know you've resolved it. But if you've already changed
Speaker 1: the style of the house, then if it's in your budget,
Speaker 1: the safest way to go for the garage long term
Speaker 1: would be to strip the siding off, wrap it, stucco it.
Speaker 1: You'll have a brand you know, for all intents and purposes,
Speaker 1: you'll have a brand new garage that will last decades,
Speaker 1: and you know it'll last another one hundred years on you.
Speaker 1: All right, y'all when we return, let us return to
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