Speaker 1: It's night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's news radio.
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Speaker 2: My name is Dan Ray. I'm the host of Nightside.
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Speaker 2: you now before we get to our guests, we're gonna
Speaker 2: just very quickly. I'm Dan Ray, the host of the
Speaker 2: show Rob Brooks. It's behind the glass back in the
Speaker 2: actual student I broadcast remotely. I am delighted to welcome
Speaker 2: professor of evolutionary Anthropology and Psychology and Neuroscience at Duke University,
Speaker 2: founder also of the Duke can Canine Cognition Center, Professor
Speaker 2: Brian Hare. Professor here. Welcome, warm, Welcome to night SAT.
Speaker 2: How are you this evening.
Speaker 3: Thank y'all so much, thank you, I'm wonderful. It's great
Speaker 3: to be with you, great to be speaking at you
Speaker 3: in Beantown.
Speaker 2: Well, I'll tell you we don't call it Beantown, but
Speaker 2: that's okay. However, you have a great school down there,
Speaker 2: Duke University. Have you taught there for some time?
Speaker 3: I have. I've been a part of Duke for seventeen years.
Speaker 2: Good for you. Well if you have a run in
Speaker 2: on campus to a dear friend of mine, a great
Speaker 2: basketball player for Duke in the nineteen sixties, we're on
Speaker 2: with a stellar career in the NBA. Jack Marin, he's
Speaker 2: a lawyer down in North Carolina, and you tell him
Speaker 2: you're on Nightside with Dan Ray. Jack has been on
Speaker 2: this show actually as well. A great I mean, went
Speaker 2: not only to Duke undergraduate but afags NBA career, went
Speaker 2: and got his law degree at Duke Law School, which
Speaker 2: is a fabulous law school. Uh. He's he is blue
Speaker 2: devil through and through and a great guy. Jack Marin,
Speaker 2: class of nineteen sixty six sent me a note the
Speaker 2: other day and told me what age he just hit.
Speaker 2: Someone could do the math, but I'm not going to
Speaker 2: say it on the air anyway. You are a dog scientist,
Speaker 2: and we are dog people on this program. I end
Speaker 2: every program at eleven fifty eight every weeknight with this phrase,
Speaker 2: all dogs, all cats, all pets go to heaven.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 2: And I want to explain a little bit, but I
Speaker 2: do believe that. I do believe that. And tell us
Speaker 2: what you do at the Duke Canine Cognition Center. There's
Speaker 2: a lot to this. I need to be quiet and
Speaker 2: I need to listen, and my audience is I'm going
Speaker 2: to listen as well. So tell us about the Cognition Center.
Speaker 3: Well, we are dedicated to understand standing the behavior and
Speaker 3: psychology of dogs, and we want to understand how we
Speaker 3: can better best friends and use what we learned so
Speaker 3: that we can enrich their lives and sometimes even have
Speaker 3: better luck training them to do all the amazing jobs
Speaker 3: they can do. So one of our big discoveries was
Speaker 3: to find that dogs have a genius to communicate with
Speaker 3: us that wolves and other primates don't have. That's really
Speaker 3: quite special. And we also discovered that we can use
Speaker 3: anybody who's ever had two dogs, you know, they can
Speaker 3: be really different from each other. And we discovered a
Speaker 3: way to measure that and to use it to sort
Speaker 3: of inform and predict which dogs might be best at
Speaker 3: doing all sorts of amazing jobs like helping people with
Speaker 3: disabilities as a service dog, or in detection work trying
Speaker 3: to find bombs and other things like that.
Speaker 2: There's a great piece in the Washington Post which I
Speaker 2: looked at, entitled science seeks better predictors of what makes
Speaker 2: a good service dog. Dogs are amazing animals. I mean
Speaker 2: the fact that the word dog spelled backwards is g
Speaker 2: O D god.
Speaker 3: That is all the name.
Speaker 5: It's all there, It is all there, and anyone who's
Speaker 5: had dogs, my family, we had a beautiful Cavalier King
Speaker 5: Charles Spaniel named Charlie who we loved for ten years.
Speaker 2: My daughter has a dog which is from shelter dog,
Speaker 2: but an amazing Corgie named Mustard. And my son has
Speaker 2: a little dog, which is really So we're dog people,
Speaker 2: and I know that there are cat people and dog people.
Speaker 2: I've got to assume you're a dog person.
Speaker 3: I am a big time dog person, and I was
Speaker 3: my best friend growing up was a Labrador Retriever, So
Speaker 3: you know, I guess I was hooked from early.
Speaker 2: Yeah. They seem to be so smart and they seem
Speaker 2: to understand. Have you done stuff with brain waves? I'm
Speaker 2: just curious what sort of work you've done with them,
Speaker 2: because it would seem to me that sometimes, you know,
Speaker 2: one of the dogs that we have, you know, in
Speaker 2: our family, I'll look at him and I'm telling you,
Speaker 2: they're reading my mind. And I didn't know. People said
Speaker 2: I'm crazy when I tell you that. But but have
Speaker 2: they done any stuff with human brain waves dog brain waves?
Speaker 2: I'm just curious. You're a science guy, you probably are
Speaker 2: way beyond anything that I could even imagine. But has
Speaker 2: there been anything done in that area.
Speaker 3: Well, there's been a lot of fun discoveries that speak
Speaker 3: to your question, are they reading your mind? And it
Speaker 3: feels like they are connecting and loving you in particular.
Speaker 3: So our original discovery asking the question why are dogs
Speaker 3: so successful? There's millions of dogs everywhere you find humans,
Speaker 3: and on all continents they're flourishing. And of course they
Speaker 3: evolve from wolves, and sadly there are very few wolves
Speaker 3: left genetically, they're very closely really, so what are the
Speaker 3: little differences that made the big difference that make dogs
Speaker 3: so successful? So the genius one of the genius things
Speaker 3: that allows dogs to be so successful is they're very
Speaker 3: good at reading our minds in the sense they can
Speaker 3: use our gestures when we communicate them through gestures, they
Speaker 3: can determine and figure out what it is we want
Speaker 3: and what we don't want, and they do it at
Speaker 3: the level of an eighteen month old child, which is
Speaker 3: very unusual for animals. Most animals don't really understand human
Speaker 3: gestures the way that dogs do. So that's number one
Speaker 3: is they really do understand us in a way that
Speaker 3: most other animals cannot. The second thing is it's not
Speaker 3: specific to brain waves, but it's relative to brain chemistry.
Speaker 3: So one of the hormones that allows a parent to
Speaker 3: bond with their offspring is called oxytocin. When a baby's born,
Speaker 3: you know, you can't sleep because they don't do much,
Speaker 3: and it's very hard to take care of them, and
Speaker 3: yet you still love them. And one of the reasons
Speaker 3: is there's this hormone that floods parents and it's called oxytocin,
Speaker 3: and when your baby make eye contact, et cetera, it
Speaker 3: makes you feel a lot of love for them and
Speaker 3: you bond with them even though you're suffering in their
Speaker 3: early life taking care of them. And it ends up
Speaker 3: that dogs have figured out a way to hijack that
Speaker 3: bonding pathway. That hormone oxytocin by making eye contact with us,
Speaker 3: when we pet them, when we touch them, it actually
Speaker 3: releases that same hormone in us and in the dogs,
Speaker 3: so that we're bonding with our dogs using the same
Speaker 3: mechanism that we bond with our kids. So it really
Speaker 3: is that there's chemistry behind the bond and the love.
Speaker 2: It's amazing. How long have you studied dogs? Has this
Speaker 2: been a career within your within your discipline.
Speaker 3: Yes, I started when I was in college. It was
Speaker 3: a big surprise that dogs had this genius to understand communication.
Speaker 3: Every dog lover knows that dogs are good at understanding
Speaker 3: us in different ways, but surprise was that other animals
Speaker 3: were not good at this, and that dogs were really special.
Speaker 3: The thing that we just took for granted, it ends
Speaker 3: up it was a big deal and it made it
Speaker 3: makes dogs very special.
Speaker 2: You know something. We do four interviews in this hour,
Speaker 2: so our time is relatively short here. But some night
Speaker 2: I had left to have you back and take phone
Speaker 2: calls from some of my listeners and let them talk about.
Speaker 3: It'd be super fun.
Speaker 4: I'd love to do that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we will make that happen. I'll have my producer
Speaker 2: get in touch with you folks and take some phone calls.
Speaker 2: This radio station is short all over the country. It's
Speaker 2: a fifty thousand watt you know, power of power, as
Speaker 2: they say. So I have a lot of listeners in
Speaker 2: North Carolina and South Carolina, Florida and beyond, and I
Speaker 2: just think this is a universal theme that that is
Speaker 2: very important in our program, to be honest with you,
Speaker 2: And when I saw that you were going to be
Speaker 2: a guest tonight, I was really excited about it, particularly
Speaker 2: the fact that you're at Duke University as well. So again,
Speaker 2: thank you, thank you so much for your time tonight,
Speaker 2: and our our producer will get back to you and
Speaker 2: we'll do something which will incorporate some of my listens.
Speaker 3: That would be super that would be super fun. And
Speaker 3: in the meantime, in the meantime, I was just gonna say,
Speaker 3: we have a if it's okay, we have a book
Speaker 3: called Puppy Kindergarten, all about how to raise a great dog.
Speaker 3: If people are interested in hearing some of the latest discoveries.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm happy that's not in my notes here. And
Speaker 2: I got to tell my producer that that should have
Speaker 2: been in my notes. Puppy Kindergarten. I assume that's available
Speaker 2: Amazon and all the regular places.
Speaker 3: Anywhere books can be purchased.
Speaker 2: Yes, sounds great. Professor here Duke University, Thank you very much.
Speaker 3: Thank you.
Speaker 2: You're welcome. When we get back on to talk about
Speaker 2: a we're going to rock cancer, a rocky night to
Speaker 2: benefit Dana Farber Cancer's Institute, a cancer care equity program,
Speaker 2: We're going to be talking with doctor Christopher Lathan. Uh
Speaker 2: and sounds like great events coming up. Maybe you'd like
Speaker 2: to spend some time and go out and listen to
Speaker 2: some music and h and rock cancer back on nightside
Speaker 2: right after a couple of messages. Now back to Dan
Speaker 2: ray Line from the Window World Nights Night Studios on
Speaker 2: w b Z the news radio. Roy happen To introduced
Speaker 2: doctor Christian Christopher. Excuse me, Christopher Lathan specializes in lung
Speaker 2: cancer treatment and God bless you for doing that, Doctor Lathan.
Speaker 2: How are you tonight? Welcome?
Speaker 4: I'm I'm really well, Dan. I appreciate you having me
Speaker 4: on my pleasure.
Speaker 2: Look, what doctors like you and others do is just extraordinary.
Speaker 2: You not only uh specialize in the treatment, but you
Speaker 2: I guess I've organized an event called Let's Rock Cancer,
Speaker 2: a rock and Knight to benefit DA Dana Farber Carver
Speaker 2: Institute's Center Care Equity Program. Tell us about the program,
Speaker 2: and tell us about the event, and let's say if
Speaker 2: we can get you some people walking in the door
Speaker 2: that night.
Speaker 4: Sure, I just want to say so I didn't organize it. Actually,
Speaker 4: it's really a survivor himself, Stephen Moore. He last year
Speaker 4: he went through his own experience and he decided that
Speaker 4: he wanted to do something to give back, and then
Speaker 4: he discovered our program, our Cancer Care Equity Program, which
Speaker 4: really you know, the job of that program is to
Speaker 4: try to connect people to diagnostic services and communities that
Speaker 4: don't always have access. And really through his own experience,
Speaker 4: and he decided that he wanted to do this fundraiser
Speaker 4: last year. So it's really been Stephen Moore, who's a
Speaker 4: really fantastic person in Chris Antonoitch and I'm we were
Speaker 4: just a beneficiary of their experiences and their you know,
Speaker 4: their their love of rock music, but also wanting to
Speaker 4: give back to the community.
Speaker 2: Well, that's so, so you're involved in obviously at the
Speaker 2: Danta for Robert Cancer Institute's Cancer Care Equity Program. Tell
Speaker 2: us about that. Then then let's we'll plug the culture.
Speaker 4: Okay, sure, yeah, so we you know, I have actually
Speaker 4: just a you know a little background. I grew up
Speaker 4: in Springfield, mass And my dad drove a fork truck
Speaker 4: for a living, right, so he's a working guy. And
Speaker 4: I think when I, uh went into medicine, I thought
Speaker 4: about what that was like and the factory guys that
Speaker 4: he worked with and you know, what their experience of
Speaker 4: medicine was. And what we found out is, you know,
Speaker 4: cancer doesn't care you know where you come from, and
Speaker 4: impacts all ages, races everyone, and you know, the folks
Speaker 4: that have the least amounts sometimes those are the folks
Speaker 4: with the highest burden. And so I really wanted to
Speaker 4: dedicate my career to figuring out how we can bring folks,
Speaker 4: you know, closer to their cancer care. And that's really
Speaker 4: what the Cancer Care Equity Program is all about. We
Speaker 4: go into communities and we try to figure out what
Speaker 4: the community needs and try to bring them to the
Speaker 4: Dana Farber if need be. But you know, if the
Speaker 4: patients don't want to come to the Dana Farber, we
Speaker 4: still want to help them with their diagnosis. And so
Speaker 4: we've done been in communities Roxbury, Dorchester, but also you know,
Speaker 4: Charlestown and up in the Merrimack Valley, and you know,
Speaker 4: the goal really is to connect to diagnosis if needed,
Speaker 4: and try to get folks into that incredible cancer care
Speaker 4: that I've had the benefit of being a part of,
Speaker 4: you know, for my professional career, and bringing that to
Speaker 4: you know, regular folks. So that's that's really the goal.
Speaker 4: We have navigation programs, we set up all kinds of
Speaker 4: clinical trial program access programs as well, but it's really
Speaker 4: just trying to figure out what the community needs, what
Speaker 4: the area needs, and bringing those folks who sometimes don't
Speaker 4: have the same you know, opportunities into diagnosis as other folks.
Speaker 4: So that's really what the goal of what we do.
Speaker 2: Well. I was talking to a friend of mine today
Speaker 2: who's a former long haul truck driver out of South Dakota.
Speaker 2: Known him for many many years, and the last year
Speaker 2: he went through cancer treatment out in South Dakota, which
Speaker 2: is not known as you know as Boston or the
Speaker 2: Mass General or the Dana Farbud Cancer Institute. But he
Speaker 2: called me today to tell me that not only was
Speaker 2: he told that he was cancer free, but because of
Speaker 2: the care that he received, they said to him, you
Speaker 2: might get a different cancer, but we have knocked this
Speaker 2: cancer out and you will never get this type of
Speaker 2: cancer again. And I said to my said, strowing, how
Speaker 2: can they guarantee you that? He says, I don't know,
Speaker 2: but that's what they told me. So, you know, all
Speaker 2: of your doctors do this incredible, you know, fabulous work.
Speaker 2: And there's no family in America that hasn't been touched
Speaker 2: and some touched more than than you know, than once
Speaker 2: by this horrible, horrible disease. So let's let's talk about
Speaker 2: the event. Sounds like a lot of fun, The Let's
Speaker 2: Rock Cancer Concert. It's going to it's coming up, if
Speaker 2: I'm not mistaken in a couple of weeks, December twelfth.
Speaker 2: Where's it going to be? Can tell us about it?
Speaker 4: Yeah, So it's going to be at the Crystal Ballroom
Speaker 4: in Summerville on Thursday, December twelfth, six to ten pm.
Speaker 4: And it's all local live music. So this is one
Speaker 4: of the things that Steve Ann and Chris so that
Speaker 4: you know, they're really interested in not just making sure
Speaker 4: that they raise money, but also they really like, you know,
Speaker 4: the power of music, and so they wanted to make
Speaker 4: sure local bands were there and some of the bands
Speaker 4: that came to the event last year, many of those
Speaker 4: bands are coming back joining their time and effort for this,
Speaker 4: so it was it was a lot of fun, you know.
Speaker 4: I think for me, I grew up listening to music,
Speaker 4: all kinds of music, and rock music in particular, so
Speaker 4: it was a it was a it was a double
Speaker 4: pleasure for me to be there where people who are
Speaker 4: like minded wanted to raise money for a good cause,
Speaker 4: but also hearing some great music. So it's it's really fantastic.
Speaker 4: The events open to all ages. You know, tickets start
Speaker 4: at twenty five dollars I think, and also you know,
Speaker 4: tickets are available online, so I think it's www. Crystal Ballroom,
Speaker 4: Boston Events Less Rock Cancer, and you know, anybody's welcome it.
Speaker 4: It was really a good time last last year, and
Speaker 4: I'm looking forward.
Speaker 2: To it again. And all of this is to benefit
Speaker 2: the Dan of Harbor Cancer Institute's Cancer Care Equity Program.
Speaker 2: How long has the Cancer Care Equity Program been operational?
Speaker 4: Yeah, so we it's you know, officially, we started it
Speaker 4: in twenty ten. We had our first outreach clinic in
Speaker 4: twenty twelve, and it really started from filanthropic gifts, you know,
Speaker 4: It was an idea, some ideas. Someone had asked. They said, hey,
Speaker 4: you know, doctor Lathan, if you were going to be
Speaker 4: able to do one intervention, what would you want to do?
Speaker 4: And we thought about it. We called a lot of
Speaker 4: different cancer centers and we found the one thing that
Speaker 4: everybody was doing great research, everybody was doing great things,
Speaker 4: but nobody was really thinking, well, how do we get
Speaker 4: folks into the cancer center. I know it sounds strange,
Speaker 4: but a lot of times, you know, people just go
Speaker 4: because they hear, oh, it's the Nation General, it's a
Speaker 4: Dana Farber. But you know, you kind of work, and
Speaker 4: folks are busy working, and they sometimes put these things off.
Speaker 4: So I said, I wanted to how do we do that?
Speaker 4: And so we said, we got to go into the communities.
Speaker 4: We got to get in there, we got to talk
Speaker 4: to folks, we got to be present. And that's really
Speaker 4: what we put together. And then we were you know,
Speaker 4: folks funded the program as a pilot and we've just
Speaker 4: been there ever since, and really it's been fantastic. We've
Speaker 4: got we started out with three people and we've got
Speaker 4: about twenty different people, navigators, nurses and just folks who
Speaker 4: are really just dedicated to taking care of communities. So
Speaker 4: it's been it's really been the best. It's the work
Speaker 4: of my life, is what I would say. It's the
Speaker 4: most important thing that I've been involved in.
Speaker 2: Well, it sounds and it sounds like that you are
Speaker 2: doing it as a as a tribute to your dad.
Speaker 2: I think you told. I think you said. He was
Speaker 2: a forklift operator, so working inside and God knows what
Speaker 2: fumes he was dealing with and his colleagues were dealing with.
Speaker 2: So this is a way to fight back in cancer.
Speaker 2: And it will be a this it will be a
Speaker 2: rock and good night, that's for sure. Let's rock cancer.
Speaker 2: I want to give that I get to do. Folks,
Speaker 2: if you'd like to go is just go to this
Speaker 2: website Crystal Ballroom all one word Crystal Ballroom, Boston dot com.
Speaker 2: So Crystal Ballroom, Boston dot com, slash events, slash Let's
Speaker 2: Rock Cancer. You'll find it easily. And it's Thursday night.
Speaker 2: The seven twelve starts at doors open at six and
Speaker 2: goes until around ten o'clock and everyone is invited. It's
Speaker 2: a relatively minimal charge twenty five dollars. Okay, most people
Speaker 2: can afford that, and that money is going to go
Speaker 2: to help a lot of people who might not be
Speaker 2: aware of the treatments that are available for some of
Speaker 2: these horrific diseases. Doctor Lathan, thanks very much. I love
Speaker 2: your enthusiasm. You must have tremendous enthusiasm not only in this,
Speaker 2: but you also must have tremendous enthusiasm as a as
Speaker 2: a physician. Thank you for what you do, and I
Speaker 2: mean that honestly, all of us we don't take the
Speaker 2: time to thank the medical community as we should for
Speaker 2: your dedication to making it a better place for all
Speaker 2: of us, and also to helping many of our families
Speaker 2: to maintain loved ones for longer than perhaps they would
Speaker 2: have been destined to have maintained if it was not
Speaker 2: for the work of physics like yourself. So thank you
Speaker 2: so much for your time.
Speaker 4: Thank you so much for having me on, Dan. I
Speaker 4: really appreciate it. That really take care and I really, really,
Speaker 4: I really appreciate the time.
Speaker 2: Right back at you have a great night. I won't
Speaker 2: be there because it'll be on the air that night,
Speaker 2: but I'll be there in spirit. Thanks again. All right,
Speaker 2: thank you, Okay, my pleasure. We have the news now
Speaker 2: at the bottom of the hour. When we come out,
Speaker 2: we're going to talk about I guess we got a
Speaker 2: little bit of snow coming into the New England area
Speaker 2: around the Thanksgiving holiday, and in terms of where we
Speaker 2: were a couple of weeks ago with weather, that's kind
Speaker 2: of a stone. And we got Brian Thompson, an ACU
Speaker 2: weather meteorologist, coming by and we're going to talk about
Speaker 2: this weekend and going to talk about the future looks
Speaker 2: like the next few days. As we rolled into the
Speaker 2: Thanksgiving holiday, it is upon us, ladies and gentlemen. Summer
Speaker 2: is over, Summer is over, Thanksgiving is here. We'll be
Speaker 2: back with my guest, Brian Thompson, great meteorologist, right after
Speaker 2: this this newsroom break, Boston's News Radio delighted to be
Speaker 2: joined by Brian Thompson at you Weather meteorologist. Brian, Welcome
Speaker 2: back Tonight's I thanks for being available. It's been a
Speaker 2: few kind of quiet weeks for the weather teams, but
Speaker 2: I think it's going to get a little active in
Speaker 2: the next week or so. What are we looking at.
Speaker 1: Bell, Yeah, Dan, things finally starting to turn around a
Speaker 1: little bit. We were in that dry pattern, that extended
Speaker 1: dry pattern, and we really have built up quite a
Speaker 1: rainfall deficit or precipitation deficit over the course of the fall,
Speaker 1: and even through now, we're storing about six and a
Speaker 1: half inches below the seasonal average in Boston, even with
Speaker 1: the almost inch of rain we've had so far, and
Speaker 1: we have more coming tonight in suit tomorrow, and it's
Speaker 1: it's certainly a stormy or pattern coming up. We're gonna
Speaker 1: have another system coming through early next week around Monday
Speaker 1: and Tuesday. And we're watching at least the potential for
Speaker 1: a storm later next week, not to certainly not edget
Speaker 1: in Stone yet, but there's ingredients there potentially for a
Speaker 1: storm to develop later next week.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that'll be after this quiet weather pattern of about
Speaker 2: three months. That will be a nightmare scenario if something
Speaker 2: big hits the country, you know, a day before Day
Speaker 2: Off or a day after Thanksgiving? Yike? Where is this
Speaker 2: one percolating? Is it percolating out in the Rockies or
Speaker 2: is it percolating somewhere down down in one of the
Speaker 2: Caribbean islands? What are we looking at here? Now?
Speaker 1: This one, the the late week storm would be coming
Speaker 1: out of the Rockies, probably taking a track through the
Speaker 1: Tennessee Valley and then off off to the east northeast.
Speaker 2: Now, the question is when.
Speaker 1: Does that storm develop and how far north does it get,
Speaker 1: And there have been obviously this is still almost a
Speaker 1: week away, so there's still gonna be some some pretty
Speaker 1: significant changes in the track and even whether the storm
Speaker 1: completely develops or not. Just looking at one of the
Speaker 1: one of the US models, it had a pretty pretty
Speaker 1: sizable storm. They came up through the Tennessee Valley and
Speaker 1: off the east coast. It would bring some rain, possibly
Speaker 1: some snow mixed in to the Boston area. But then
Speaker 1: the a round six hours later really had very little
Speaker 1: and had a storm day later but much farther south,
Speaker 1: much more suppressed, much weaker. So there's still some big
Speaker 1: changes going on, and probably until we get a couple
Speaker 1: of these initial storms through and so we'll have a
Speaker 1: better idea of where this thing is going. Because the
Speaker 1: storm that's going through now it's a very complex feature.
Speaker 1: We've had a storm just kind of pin wheeling off
Speaker 1: off the mid Atlantic coast and kind of made its
Speaker 1: way in inland across Pennsylvania, parts of New Jersey, dropped
Speaker 1: a lot of snow in some areas, and that storms
Speaker 1: now forming reforming off off the New England coast and
Speaker 1: that's what's going to bring us the rain into tomorrow.
Speaker 2: What was I watched one of the nightly newscast today.
Speaker 2: I said there was some town in New Jersey. Never
Speaker 2: heard of it, high Point, New Jersey. I didn't even
Speaker 2: know that New Jersey had any high points, never minded
Speaker 2: Houn Dame high point twenty inches of Oh, that has
Speaker 2: to be I don't know I've connected. Does New Jersey
Speaker 2: have some mountains like the Polconos in the northwest sections
Speaker 2: of the state. I'm familiar with the topography of New Jersey,
Speaker 2: and it's pretty flat.
Speaker 1: It is most most of the state is very flat.
Speaker 1: But like you're mentioning northwest New Jersey, parts of Sussex County,
Speaker 1: it just is basically the eastern side of the Poconoes.
Speaker 1: It's not as not as tall a mountains as the Poconos,
Speaker 1: but you you have hills there that are over a
Speaker 1: thousand feet And this was a very elevation dependent storm,
Speaker 1: so a lot of areas that were over one thy
Speaker 1: twelve hundred feet throughout northwest New Jersey into northeast Pennsylvania,
Speaker 1: even parts of the Hudson Valley of New York. Certainly
Speaker 1: across parts of the Catskills too, picked up a lot
Speaker 1: of snow. There were a lot of areas that picked
Speaker 1: up over a foot of snow just because of the way,
Speaker 1: like I said, the storm is just kind of pin
Speaker 1: wheeling around. It really wasn't moving a whole lot. So
Speaker 1: we're seeing these bands of heavier snow get stuck. And
Speaker 1: where it was cold enough in the high terrain, the
Speaker 1: snow really piled up. Even in some of the lower
Speaker 1: terrain of North Jersey, they did pick up at least
Speaker 1: some snow. Was not nearly as much as the twenty
Speaker 1: inches in High Point, but it wasn't It was a
Speaker 1: storm that dropped a It was a pretty significant early
Speaker 1: season storm for many places that picked up all the snow.
Speaker 1: It was the first storm of the season, the first snowfall,
Speaker 1: and it came in with a bang.
Speaker 2: Okay, So I got to ask you a couple of questions. Now,
Speaker 2: the fire problem here in Massachusetts with the drought, that's
Speaker 2: all the newscasts the last couple of weeks, Fire here,
Speaker 2: fire there, et cetera. Did this did the rain that's
Speaker 2: fallen so far in the last twenty four hours. Does
Speaker 2: has that had an impact in terms of suppressing and
Speaker 2: calming down the fire situation.
Speaker 1: Yeah, in fact, I would I would venture to say
Speaker 1: that's probably going to be just about it for the
Speaker 1: fire threat this year unless something really Unless it really
Speaker 1: dries out in December, but as the days get cooler,
Speaker 1: we don't get those really warm days that are the
Speaker 1: humidity is running really low. That happens in the spring,
Speaker 1: and it happens in the fall, and it was exacerbated
Speaker 1: this fall because of how dry it was. So, like
Speaker 1: I said, the rainfall deficit we're running is still very big.
Speaker 1: It's still over six inches. But just the fact that
Speaker 1: we've had now already over an inch of rain, we
Speaker 1: may add another half inch to an inch into tomorrow.
Speaker 1: It's going to certainly make the ground a lot wetter.
Speaker 1: And like I said, as we get into the stormier
Speaker 1: pattern this coming week, we're gonna have opportunities for rain
Speaker 1: and that should at least keep the brush, the leaves,
Speaker 1: things that were fuels for these fires wetter than they
Speaker 1: have been in recent weeks, and that should really pretty
Speaker 1: much eliminate the fire thread here in the short term.
Speaker 2: One of the things that I noticed, and every year
Speaker 2: long about April, they'll tell us that the hurricane season
Speaker 2: is starting from June first, and it runs I believe
Speaker 2: through November thirtieth. Technically we're almost out of the hurricane
Speaker 2: season now. But this was a pretty quiet hurricane season
Speaker 2: for us here north of Virginia. I mean, I know
Speaker 2: that there was the big one, Helene, well, the two
Speaker 2: big ones, Helene and Milton, hitting Florida and the Carolinas
Speaker 2: and some of the southern states. But we had nothing
Speaker 2: this year in New England. How how odd is that?
Speaker 2: I mean, it's odd obviously that we had such a
Speaker 2: nice weather in October, but the absence of even even
Speaker 2: a hint of a hurricane or threat of a hurricane.
Speaker 2: Has that happened previously? Or is that? Is this the
Speaker 2: first time that has been that arid to use a
Speaker 2: word that may have may have application here again at
Speaker 2: this time of year, September, October and into November.
Speaker 1: I'm sure it's happened. We've had years that have been
Speaker 1: very docile with the hurricanes, even more so than this year.
Speaker 1: This is this is a fairly active hurricane season in general,
Speaker 1: but like you said, certainly for New England it was not.
Speaker 2: I will say, given.
Speaker 1: That the fact that we had four to five landfalling
Speaker 1: storms in the Gulf of Mexico. It is odd that
Speaker 1: one of them did not come up here and at
Speaker 1: least dump a decent amount of rain. A lot of
Speaker 1: times these get pulled northward depending on how the jet
Speaker 1: streams running, and they'll usually bring at least some rain,
Speaker 1: not necessarily direct tropical impact, but it brings the rain northward.
Speaker 1: And we really didn't even see much of that this year.
Speaker 2: There was very little, very little moisture.
Speaker 1: But I think the thing was here, especially as we
Speaker 1: got into September and October. One of the reasons we
Speaker 1: were so dry. We had this constant parade of high
Speaker 1: pressure systems coming down from the northwest. Is bringing down
Speaker 1: the dry Canadian air that was keeping us really rain
Speaker 1: free and it was helping to deflect a lot of
Speaker 1: these storms away. Helene was a good example of that
Speaker 1: that was getting pulled northward. It kind of got stuck
Speaker 1: a little bit down in the Carolinas and just never
Speaker 1: could really come northward because of the weather pattern that
Speaker 1: was in place.
Speaker 2: Okay, last question. I'm going to put your crystal ball
Speaker 2: in front of you in view of what it's been like,
Speaker 2: and we now have a rainfall or a deficit of
Speaker 2: four inches five inches and whatever does that put tend
Speaker 2: we're going to have a snowy winter or does it
Speaker 2: have no impact at all on what the snow accumulation
Speaker 2: might or might not be.
Speaker 1: I would really say it would have very little impact
Speaker 1: on the winter ahead. Like I said, we were in
Speaker 1: this pattern where we just had consistent dry air masses,
Speaker 1: but it seems like we're starting to slowly come out
Speaker 1: of that. Now it's a somewhat stormier pattern and we
Speaker 1: expect that trend to continue here as we head into
Speaker 1: the winter months, and that should at least lead to
Speaker 1: more opportunities for precipitation, not saying it will be necessarily snow,
Speaker 1: as we do think that the winter is going to
Speaker 1: be on the my older side, which would suggest at
Speaker 1: least more storms that would have some mixing or at
Speaker 1: least the potential for some rain instead of snow. But again,
Speaker 1: it doesn't look like we'll get into quite the dry
Speaker 1: pattern we've been in. We do expect it to pick
Speaker 1: up a little bit as far as precipitation goes.
Speaker 2: I really do appreciate all your time tonight. Brian Thompson,
Speaker 2: AKI weather meteorologist, A great job, answered all of my questions.
Speaker 2: You made me feel a little bit better about what's
Speaker 2: going on here, and maybe we'll all survive this and
Speaker 2: be talking about this in the past ten sometime around
Speaker 2: January February, when we're talking about some blizzard that has
Speaker 2: swept in here. Thanks so much, Brian, I appreciate it
Speaker 2: very much. Good to be with you, Dan, Hey, have
Speaker 2: a great weekend and a great Thanksgiving to you and yours. Okay,
Speaker 2: thanks so much too. All Right, we get back. We're
Speaker 2: going to talk about a resort, different type of resort
Speaker 2: up in northern New England. We'll explain it all right
Speaker 2: after this final break here on the night Side News
Speaker 2: Update Hour. Now back to Dan Ray live from the
Speaker 2: Window World Nightside Studios on WBZ News Radio. All right,
Speaker 2: welcome back. As we wrap up our hour, we're going
Speaker 2: to talk with Michael Snaide. He's the president of Resort
Speaker 2: Residential for Great Golf. Michael, I've never heard of Resort
Speaker 2: Residential for Great Golf, but apparently you guys have a
Speaker 2: project going on up at Killington. Tell us about it.
Speaker 6: Yeah, we do. We're pretty excited to be part of
Speaker 6: the growth of Killington. As you may know, Killington is
Speaker 6: the largest ski mountain in the East, and yet it
Speaker 6: doesn't have a base village, and so Great Gulf acquired
Speaker 6: the property in May of twenty twenty three to develop
Speaker 6: what will become over the next twenty twenty five years
Speaker 6: two three hundred new units, both at the base and
Speaker 6: up up the mountain to the mid station.
Speaker 2: So is this going to be like the villages of
Speaker 2: the North? I mean, when we think about villages, we
Speaker 2: think about the villages down in central Florida which just
Speaker 2: keeps expanding and expanding. Is this for year round?
Speaker 4: It?
Speaker 2: Is it residential year round? Is it? Is it seasonal?
Speaker 2: Tell us about it?
Speaker 6: Yeah, sure our vision. Of course, many ski resorts appeal
Speaker 6: to people for the winter season, the winter ski season,
Speaker 6: but Killington's been doing a very good job of also
Speaker 6: appealing to people to come and take part in their
Speaker 6: mountain biking and hiking and leaf watching during the fall season.
Speaker 6: And so Killington is becoming a place to be all
Speaker 6: all months of the year. And so our concept is
Speaker 6: to provide a resort village or resort community that takes
Speaker 6: advantage of every month of the year and that provides amenities,
Speaker 6: programs and events that will will focus on those on
Speaker 6: those seasonal activities and rather than I know, the village
Speaker 6: is very well down in Florida. It's quite an amazing development.
Speaker 6: I developed a place right next door a little higher end.
Speaker 6: I would think that the villages down in Florida just
Speaker 6: keeps growing, whereas ours is limited to twenty three hundred
Speaker 6: residential units.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's only it's a lot of flatter in central Florida.
Speaker 2: It's a pretty impressive website. When give us a little
Speaker 2: scheduled construction schedule, I'm sure you probably have it written
Speaker 2: on the back of your hand or indeubibly eched in
Speaker 2: your mind. Where's the project at this point and give
Speaker 2: us a timeline.
Speaker 6: Yeah, so we're really looking for hopefully, of course, dependent
Speaker 6: on the market, we're looking to it about this time
Speaker 6: next year, commence our selling program and then that with
Speaker 6: the proper approvals in place and being able to move
Speaker 6: in at we would like to start construction in the
Speaker 6: spring of twenty and twenty six, and then the first
Speaker 6: units would be complete within eighteen months to twenty four
Speaker 6: months after that, so you know, in time for ski
Speaker 6: season twenty twenty seven into twenty twenty eight.
Speaker 2: So this is literally we're we're at the beginning here,
Speaker 2: and if people want to learn more about it, give
Speaker 2: us the website. It's a pretty simple website.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's Livekillington dot go ahead. Oh I'm sorry, it's
Speaker 6: Livekillington dot com. And then I also encourage anybody to
Speaker 6: go on the Killington Resort website and we've got a
Speaker 6: link there to our website as well. Killington Resort is
Speaker 6: an exciting place to be. This weekend or next week
Speaker 6: just after Thanksgiving, they're going to be hosting the World
Speaker 6: Cup Killington World Cup and Great Golf will be a
Speaker 6: Diamond sponsor of the Stifha Killington World Cup this year,
Speaker 6: and as part of that, we will have information booth
Speaker 6: within the vendor village and also a major presence within
Speaker 6: the VIP tent. So I encourage all of your listeners
Speaker 6: to take the trip up to Killington, meet us up
Speaker 6: there and support the US ski team. Wouldn't it be
Speaker 6: great to watch Mikaela Shiffern win her one hundredth World
Speaker 6: Cup event and hopefully watch Paula Molten achieve another top
Speaker 6: ten years old?
Speaker 2: All right, well, we appreciate it very much. It's always
Speaker 2: nice to talk to you. Are you a Matt, Are
Speaker 2: you a New England guy yourself. I do not detect
Speaker 2: any sort of a local accent. I'm always curious when
Speaker 2: I talk to folks who are undertaking such big projects.
Speaker 2: I assume you must have some connections to New England.
Speaker 6: Well, I've been coming to New England for probably forty years,
Speaker 6: so I feel like a New Englander. But I'm actually
Speaker 6: based in Toronto, Canada. So A Great Golf is a
Speaker 6: Toronto firm. It was established in nineteen seventy five by
Speaker 6: two brothers, Elliot Norman Riseman, and today the company is
Speaker 6: one of North America's premier real estate organizations. We develop
Speaker 6: all over North America.
Speaker 2: As Michael, as soon as I heard you pronounced organization,
Speaker 2: if you had said that earlier, I would have known
Speaker 2: it's a Canadian pronunciation. We say organization. But I'm sure
Speaker 2: you know that.
Speaker 6: I know I've got to study. I've got to do
Speaker 6: some studying of linguistics become more of a New Englander.
Speaker 2: I'm only teasing you. I'm teasing you. And yeah, I
Speaker 2: have friends of mine who even live up in a
Speaker 2: northern New York state and they'll say organization, and I'll say,
Speaker 2: what part of Canada. We live up you know, we
Speaker 2: live up in Lake Placid. We don't, but it's that
Speaker 2: Harry Sindon, the great former general manager of the Boston
Speaker 2: Bruins and coach as well as general manager. Harry used
Speaker 2: to always say organization and I'd kid him with it.
Speaker 2: I say, you're you're showing your Canadian roots here. Great,
Speaker 2: great to talk with to Michael, you're good sport. Thank
Speaker 2: you very much. It is he's the president. You're welcome,
Speaker 2: residential of Great Golf. Thank you, my friend. We'll talk soon. Okay,
Speaker 2: best A'll like we'll talk again. Thank you very much.
Speaker 2: Bye bye. All right, that's always fun. All right, we
Speaker 2: will move on and we're going to talk very seriously
Speaker 2: in the next hour. In what we're going to talk
Speaker 2: about in the next hour is what happened sixty one
Speaker 2: years ago today, a moment in time that rocked the world.
Speaker 2: If you were alive back then and maybe over ten
Speaker 2: years of age, I do not have to remind you
Speaker 2: what today is the sixty first anniversary off. If you
Speaker 2: were not alive back then, or were born, say early
Speaker 2: in the late fifties or in the early sixties, you
Speaker 2: might not know. So with that sort of a tease.
Speaker 2: We'll come back and we're going to talk to someone
Speaker 2: who has studied this American tragedy for many years, and
Speaker 2: we're going to talk about the possibility that soon we
Speaker 2: all might learn a lot more about this anniversary