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<v Speaker 2>Hi everyone, and welcome to Musings and Modalities. I'm Tristan Stowickie,

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<v Speaker 2>And now I'd love to introduce Roxane Instrum.

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<v Speaker 1>Roxane is the.

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<v Speaker 2>Founder and visual storyteller behind Hawa Images. She is the

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<v Speaker 2>mother of four, wife to Jason of almost twenty five years, entrepreneur,

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<v Speaker 2>MS warrior, and visual storyteller who pursues living vulnerably and

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<v Speaker 2>confidently and helping others do the same. What lights her

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<v Speaker 2>up is seeing women feel seen, empowered and both encouraged

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<v Speaker 2>and challenged to really live wide, awake and abundantly. As

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<v Speaker 2>a visual storyteller, she helps purpose driven entrepreneurs show up

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<v Speaker 2>with clarity and confidence and connection through brand photography that

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<v Speaker 2>goes deeper than a headshot, so their visuals finally match

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<v Speaker 2>the true value they bring and their connection with their

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<v Speaker 2>ideal clients, and to share their story with intention and strategy.

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<v Speaker 2>This is so beautiful. I love your purpose, Roxanne. Thank

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<v Speaker 2>you so much for being here and welcome to the show.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you so much Tristan for having me. And you

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<v Speaker 3>know I love women that choose to share their platform

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<v Speaker 3>with other women, so that's kudos to you. Thank you

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<v Speaker 3>for having me.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely we met recently at a dinner that was so fun.

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<v Speaker 2>And what I loved about that dinner that I co

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<v Speaker 2>host and Raleigh with Christy Straw is that I immediately

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<v Speaker 2>was like, Oh, this is a person I want to

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<v Speaker 2>hang out with. This is a person that like shares

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<v Speaker 2>my values. This is a person that lights up every

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<v Speaker 2>person in the room, you know, and makes them a

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<v Speaker 2>better version of themselves.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm so happy you're here.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, thank you. I feel the same. That was awesome,

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you girl.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely. So let's talk about visual storytelling, you know, kind

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<v Speaker 2>of defining for the audience what that is and how

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<v Speaker 2>you got your start there.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think, you know, I I share that I'm

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<v Speaker 3>a visual storyteller instead of leading with I'm a photographer,

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<v Speaker 3>because for me, photographers take pictures. And I know that

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<v Speaker 3>for some people maybe that's just like a word, but

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<v Speaker 3>I think that words really matter and they have power,

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<v Speaker 3>and I try not to take anything from anyone that

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<v Speaker 3>I'm collaborating with. So for me, I don't even really

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<v Speaker 3>say I take pictures. I try not to say that

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<v Speaker 3>I co create images with my clients or with people.

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<v Speaker 3>And really, how I got started in this is it.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, it didn't really photography, sort of, I joke.

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<v Speaker 3>It sort of happened to me, and I found it

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<v Speaker 3>through the desire to like express what I was experiencing

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<v Speaker 3>and the stories of others. But it really found me

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<v Speaker 3>through like people and their stories. I lived on a

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<v Speaker 3>small island off the coast of East Africa for four

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<v Speaker 3>years and when I moved there, you know, I think,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, you always at least is how God gets

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<v Speaker 3>me into stuff in my life. I never really know

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<v Speaker 3>what's going to happen, or I probably wouldn't have moved right.

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<v Speaker 3>It was all the heart and the challenge, but also

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<v Speaker 3>wrapped up in that is probably some of the richest

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<v Speaker 3>four years of our lives as a family. And I

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<v Speaker 3>really arrived thinking like, oh, like we were there doing

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<v Speaker 3>educational and geo work. I'm like, oh, I have something

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<v Speaker 3>to offer. And what I quickly realized is I had

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<v Speaker 3>everything to learn. And I really made real friendships that

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<v Speaker 3>were forged across like a lot of differences, and I decided, like,

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<v Speaker 3>this is so powerful, but like what people in the

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<v Speaker 3>US think about my friends is just not the reality.

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<v Speaker 3>And it's too sacred and holy for me to just

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<v Speaker 3>tell my version of this story. And I saw a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of like unethical what I would consider now unethical storytelling,

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<v Speaker 3>where you know, foreigners come in maybe quote unquote with

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<v Speaker 3>the best of intentions. I feel like people of privilege

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<v Speaker 3>and power love to just rely on their intentions and

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<v Speaker 3>would straight up actually tell lies or you know, the

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<v Speaker 3>language barrier was there, things like that, and I'm like,

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<v Speaker 3>that's not that's not really what's happening or that's not

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<v Speaker 3>really what these the folks that had become dear friends

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<v Speaker 3>to me wanted to share. So I started taking photography classes,

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<v Speaker 3>but the joke was on me because power was very unreliable.

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<v Speaker 3>So I would have these courses online that I could

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<v Speaker 3>never log into or be on, but I had like

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<v Speaker 3>the printouts, and then I would just study and learn

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<v Speaker 3>and go around. But I really started waiting until I

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<v Speaker 3>was invited in by friends or people in my community,

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<v Speaker 3>and that changed everything. So I always say relationships over

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<v Speaker 3>images became like a huge part of my philosophy. But

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<v Speaker 3>that's how it started for me. And it might seem weird,

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<v Speaker 3>like how did you get to doing brands now? But

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<v Speaker 3>to me it completely tracks because to really tell someone's

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<v Speaker 3>visual story is not just about angles and lighting and

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<v Speaker 3>making them look good, and it's definitely not just about

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<v Speaker 3>a perfect headshot. It's about honoring their story in a

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<v Speaker 3>dignifying way and taking the time to get to know

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<v Speaker 3>what makes them special and what they what they want

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<v Speaker 3>to be seen and known for. So I just I

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<v Speaker 3>came home from that experience like profoundly changed and I've

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<v Speaker 3>never been able to be the same again from that.

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<v Speaker 3>So honoring stories is really important to me.

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<v Speaker 2>That's so beautiful And what I love is that you

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<v Speaker 2>took something that you were learning kind of through your

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<v Speaker 2>heart and through your spirit as well as actually, like,

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<v Speaker 2>there's a lot of mechanics that goes into photography. There's

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of like the felack of very term science

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<v Speaker 2>behind it, right, like a different thing, and it's I'm

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<v Speaker 2>always so impressed with photography because getting a shot that

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<v Speaker 2>tells a story has the right timing and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>truly shares the essence of something right, rather than capturing

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<v Speaker 2>right right, rather than using words that have that taking mentality,

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<v Speaker 2>but really saying like there's a there's a vulnerability here,

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<v Speaker 2>and if you can kind of walk us through how

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<v Speaker 2>you kind of deal with when you have a client

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<v Speaker 2>that has a lot of vulnerability, because that was definitely

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<v Speaker 2>me when I started showing up in my business, especially

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<v Speaker 2>the first few years, and really created an environment that

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<v Speaker 2>allows them to feel safe and seen.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's a great question. Yeah, And I try not

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<v Speaker 3>to use the word capture either, which is so hard

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<v Speaker 3>because that's like the language that's used, but it's also

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<v Speaker 3>very colonialistic. You know, there's lots of problematic things with

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<v Speaker 3>just and and again, I'm not trying to be like

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<v Speaker 3>the politically correct word police. I really do believe that

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<v Speaker 3>the way that we talk about things is the way

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<v Speaker 3>that we do things. And so for me, vulnerability is huge.

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<v Speaker 3>And I that's one of the reasons why I will

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<v Speaker 3>never ask someone to do something I'm not doing. So

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<v Speaker 3>I do this myself twice a year. I try at

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<v Speaker 3>least once a year. I also and for me, like

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<v Speaker 3>I think people that know me now might think like, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>it's so easy for her to show up girl bye.

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<v Speaker 3>I used to sweat through my clothes when I was

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<v Speaker 3>like doing a live or like you know, and so

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's like a muscle confidence and you know,

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<v Speaker 3>it's almost like exposure therapy to vulnerability. And again, vulnerability

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<v Speaker 3>that has boundaries because you will not catch me talking

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<v Speaker 3>about a lot of things online because it's not appropriate,

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<v Speaker 3>and there's boundaries around things in my life. But for me,

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<v Speaker 3>before I ever pick up the camera, and I offer

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<v Speaker 3>free discovery calls, but I always tell my clients like,

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<v Speaker 3>don't hire me if you're not prepared to be sick

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<v Speaker 3>of me, because for me, a lot of the work

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<v Speaker 3>comes before I do not I say this all the time.

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<v Speaker 3>I will not roll up your location and take my

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<v Speaker 3>camera out of my bag. That's not I'm just not

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<v Speaker 3>that photographer. And there's a lot of great ones that do,

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<v Speaker 3>and that's fine. But for me, I try to get

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<v Speaker 3>to know my clients, their business, their story, their uh

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<v Speaker 3>like their offers, there, why they started, their why, like

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<v Speaker 3>their client experience, what makes them different because in a

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<v Speaker 3>world where increasingly, especially with AI, everything is kind of

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<v Speaker 3>looking the same or sounding the same, right, that is

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<v Speaker 3>how you stand out is with your unique story. And

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<v Speaker 3>my clients really say a lot of times I hear

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<v Speaker 3>from them that, like the strategy part of this was

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<v Speaker 3>huge for them because they the intention around that and

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<v Speaker 3>the strategy was really really big. So I try to

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<v Speaker 3>like be you know, hype woman, cheerleader, encourage them. I

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<v Speaker 3>show poses like nobody is ever going to feel like

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<v Speaker 3>they don't know what to do their hand with their

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<v Speaker 3>hands on a shoot with me, you know, but we

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<v Speaker 3>also create an entire brand guide, We have a planning call,

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<v Speaker 3>so like they know part of that vulnerability is because

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<v Speaker 3>they don't know the unknown. It's already hard enough, especially

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<v Speaker 3>the messages women get about their bodies and about who

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<v Speaker 3>they are to show up and take up space, but

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<v Speaker 3>I try to make sure that they as much as

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<v Speaker 3>they can know they do know, and then I allow

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<v Speaker 3>space during our actual session to do that. I also

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<v Speaker 3>feel like I hear a lot of people and an

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<v Speaker 3>amazing mom and women of color that I was on

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<v Speaker 3>a podcast with. I will always say that she's the

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<v Speaker 3>one that shared this with me and it was amazing,

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<v Speaker 3>But she said, you can't create places of safety for people.

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<v Speaker 3>You can only invite safety. Safety is felt by each individual,

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<v Speaker 3>So I can never say I create safe spaces. What

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<v Speaker 3>I try to do and what I work really hard

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<v Speaker 3>at is inviting safety. And people decide, you know that

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<v Speaker 3>for themselves. So you know I am I and you know,

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<v Speaker 3>especially in my past, self described hot mess, don't have

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<v Speaker 3>it all together, take messy action. But I show up

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<v Speaker 3>take the time. Like my client on Friday, she's amazing,

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, that's how you make people feel because they don't

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<v Speaker 2>forget that, you know. Well, like as you shared your

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and that's like, you know, I always say I

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<v Speaker 3>take on a limited number of clients, and part of

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<v Speaker 3>but it's like a rhythm. But one of the reasons

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<v Speaker 3>I'm like, let's go we write at dawn, you know

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<v Speaker 1>Anything?

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<v Speaker 2>No, absolutely, and especially as there's often these times when

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<v Speaker 1>And so when I think about the times.

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<v Speaker 2>Where I've like kind of stretched myself to be like,

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<v Speaker 2>okay it's time to update branding, I'm stepping into that

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<v Speaker 2>woman that I know, but having that kind of photograph

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<v Speaker 2>and having kind of that visual story to be able

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<v Speaker 2>to on those hard days, remember you know who you are,

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<v Speaker 2>and remember that you're always becoming. So I'd love to

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<v Speaker 2>talk about how that really translates into real business impact

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<v Speaker 2>for those purpose driven entrepreneurs and how kind of updating

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<v Speaker 2>the branding does really matter in their journey.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Yeah, I mean I think that a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>this is I think that often if any of the

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<v Speaker 3>if you're in business, right, we often are juggling a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of things at home, a lot of things in business,

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<v Speaker 3>and we have to write for a lot of time,

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<v Speaker 3>be heads down, just like get it done, like get

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<v Speaker 3>it done. Focus, lock in, as my teenagers would say, right,

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<v Speaker 3>But I think sometimes we don't take the time needed

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<v Speaker 3>to reflect and celebrate what we've already built. And I

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<v Speaker 3>think that that celebration of what we've already built is important,

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<v Speaker 3>not just because it does fuel the next season, right,

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<v Speaker 3>but because it matters to a lot of us are

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<v Speaker 3>in like providing services, right, or coaches or doing these

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<v Speaker 3>things for people, but we're not doing those things for ourselves,

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<v Speaker 3>you know. And I think, like I love so many

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<v Speaker 3>times in the last year, I can tell you stories

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<v Speaker 3>of like women looking at the back of the camera

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<v Speaker 3>and being like is that me? And I'm like, hell, yeah, girl,

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<v Speaker 3>it is, you know what I mean, and like or

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<v Speaker 3>somebody crying and being like I can't believe that this

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<v Speaker 3>is what I've built, you know, And those moments to

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<v Speaker 3>me are like that is what part of this experience is,

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<v Speaker 3>is that it's twofold. It's celebrating what you've done to

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<v Speaker 3>get where you are, and it's helping you show up.

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<v Speaker 3>And literally I was out carrying fire hoses this morning

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<v Speaker 3>at five am, and I am doing that to build

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<v Speaker 3>muscle for the next season of my life, right, and

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<v Speaker 3>confidence is a muscle, So when you size it. When

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<v Speaker 3>you show up in front of the camera with a

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<v Speaker 3>person that feels like that they got you and that

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<v Speaker 3>they're gonna be kind with you, you build confidence to

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<v Speaker 3>keep doing that. And again it's that exposure therapy. I

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<v Speaker 3>always say, like people say to me, oh, I hate

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<v Speaker 3>pictures of myself, I'm like, girl, hold my beer, let's go,

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<v Speaker 3>because you just have not been photographed by somebody who

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<v Speaker 3>sees you yet or who really and now there are

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<v Speaker 3>some things we have to deal with in therapy. Like

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<v Speaker 3>I've been in therapy for years and years and years

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<v Speaker 3>of my life. So I'm not saying a photo shoot

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<v Speaker 3>fix is that there are things that a therapist and

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<v Speaker 3>hard work and like working on yourself in reflection fixes,

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<v Speaker 3>but sometimes it is also exposing ourselves to the thing

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<v Speaker 3>that scares us with people like that. When my client's

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<v Speaker 3>book a visionary VIP session, they have a stylist, hair

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<v Speaker 3>and makeup, video support, they have an entire hype squad

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<v Speaker 3>of women in a room, and it is special. When

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<v Speaker 3>I tell you that experience is like there's nothing like it,

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<v Speaker 3>Like it's just like all these women in this room

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<v Speaker 3>want you to look your best, be your best, win

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<v Speaker 3>and that is like it's a special thing. And I've

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<v Speaker 3>heard that over and over again from clients, and I'm

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<v Speaker 3>really proud of like inviting that kind of environment. So

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<v Speaker 3>it's you know, you deserve to celebrate what you've built,

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<v Speaker 3>and let's ride at dawn and step into the next

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<v Speaker 3>season of what you're building, because what got you where

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<v Speaker 3>you are is not going to get you where you're going.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's not a scarcity mindset. That's a you deserve

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<v Speaker 3>and the confidence that you're going to continue to build

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<v Speaker 3>will help you go where you haven't gone before, even

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<v Speaker 3>if it's scaling back and just knowing your value and

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<v Speaker 3>your worth. Right, it's not always about scaling up. That's

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<v Speaker 3>not always what success looks like. So I just think

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<v Speaker 3>like business and life is very seasonal. Have I just

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<v Speaker 3>made a hard business decision this morning actually to pull

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<v Speaker 3>back from something because it's just not the right season.

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<v Speaker 3>And I reserve the right to edit my life at

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<v Speaker 3>any time, And so I just want to say to women, like,

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<v Speaker 3>edit your life, step in to confidence, celebrate what you've built,

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<v Speaker 3>and step into the next season, and you deserve. Like

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<v Speaker 3>I hear so often people are like, I'll do it

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<v Speaker 3>when I have more clients, I'll do it. When I

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<v Speaker 3>lose ten pounds, I'll do it win. And when is

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<v Speaker 3>the last time you hired someone because they were ten

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<v Speaker 3>pounds thinner?

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<v Speaker 1>Never?

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<v Speaker 3>Never, You hire people because they are experts at what

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<v Speaker 3>they do and they are leading by example. There's something

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<v Speaker 3>inspirational about that or something about that brand story that

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<v Speaker 3>resonates with you, or that service you need. You have

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<v Speaker 3>fomo that product, you have fomo about it, whatever it is,

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<v Speaker 3>and you don't create that by playing small.

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<v Speaker 2>And that all also speaks to So I talk with

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<v Speaker 2>my clients about their non negotiables, right and so by

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<v Speaker 2>your season kind of editing and getting really really clear

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<v Speaker 2>on like this is either a no, this is a

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<v Speaker 2>not now you know if it aligns in the future,

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<v Speaker 2>or this is you know very much a yes. Full

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<v Speaker 2>body and those non negotiables of you know, time for sleep,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, body movement, making sure you're actually eating so

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<v Speaker 2>often women just don't, or skin but you know what

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's like we need to build strong.

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<v Speaker 1>Bodies, like that's how we do it, as.

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<v Speaker 2>Well as you know, making time for their legacy and

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<v Speaker 2>their goals. And you know, for me, one of my

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<v Speaker 2>non negotiables is joy and whimsay because I'm not who

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<v Speaker 2>I the best version of me and who I want

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<v Speaker 2>to be. If I don't have that in my week,

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<v Speaker 1>I become very like blah and very low.

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<v Speaker 3>And love that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And so in talking about that, I also wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to talk a little bit about kind of ethical imagery

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<v Speaker 2>because for me, i'm someone when I see when i'm

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<v Speaker 2>connecting with the light in someone where i'm researching them,

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<v Speaker 2>when you know, we're doing a call or anything like that.

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<v Speaker 2>If I see images of them in front of an

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<v Speaker 2>audience that we're on the stage, that typically isn't where

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<v Speaker 2>I resonate with them. And that's okay, you know, it

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<v Speaker 2>could be very much they feel in their power in

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<v Speaker 2>that and things like that. But oftentimes photographs can feel staged,

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<v Speaker 2>and that comes through the lens or there's an element

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<v Speaker 2>of maybe you're not lot of others, not your clients,

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<v Speaker 2>trying to showcase who they are. It's like the idea

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<v Speaker 2>of people taking photos in first class and they rented,

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<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean, and they're trying to use

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<v Speaker 2>photography as a tool to to say they are. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't want to say above where they are but their

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's really interesting. I like that you brought that up.

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<v Speaker 3>I say a lot like I actually want to be

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<v Speaker 3>a successful person, not just look like one on Instagram.

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<v Speaker 3>And that being said, success to me does not look

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<v Speaker 3>like necessarily red bottom shoes or you know, super expensive whatever.

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<v Speaker 3>It looks like time and choice and options and impact, right,

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<v Speaker 3>and maybe maybe maybe a nice perse every once in

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<v Speaker 3>a while, you know what I mean. But like, let's

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<v Speaker 3>keep it real. But I think for me, I learned

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<v Speaker 3>so to backtrack. I and this is what I think

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<v Speaker 3>you have to pay attention dur in your life. I

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<v Speaker 3>saw unethical storytelling. I wouldn't have said, I wouldn't have

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<v Speaker 3>had those words at the time. But I saw people

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<v Speaker 3>come in from the outside tell stories about a group

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<v Speaker 3>of people without their consent that weren't dignifying, that wasn't

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<v Speaker 3>what they wanted to be shared about themselves. And because

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<v Speaker 3>all the time, but we cannot judge ourselves by our intentions.

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<v Speaker 3>We have to start looking at our impact. And that

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<v Speaker 3>is a harder thing to look at. But you know,

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<v Speaker 3>when we reduce someone to their struggle or their difference

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<v Speaker 3>or a narrative that serves us, but it's at the

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<v Speaker 3>expense of someone else, or like you said, we're feeling

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<v Speaker 3>this pressure to puff up now on brand storytelling sessions,

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<v Speaker 3>I do do what's called cure rated candid imagery. Of course,

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<v Speaker 3>like we invite models in, we have some of that stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>But I always say to people, like my clients will say, well,

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<v Speaker 3>should I buy this if you know, if I do

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<v Speaker 3>I need that for the shoot, And I'm like no,

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<v Speaker 3>if you don't have them, you don't use it.

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<v Speaker 2>No, like no.

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<v Speaker 3>Like now, maybe maybe if your organizer is completely disgusting

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<v Speaker 3>and you've spilt coffee on it sixteen times, I might

437
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<v Speaker 3>tell you to go get a new journal, right, But

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<v Speaker 3>we are not curating a life that is completely fake.

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<v Speaker 3>We are trying to tell the story in a visually

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<v Speaker 3>appealing way because there is that right, Like I'm not

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<v Speaker 3>trying to like That's why I have a double chin, right,

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<v Speaker 3>don't trust nobody without a double chin. I'm gonna get

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<v Speaker 3>your angle, girl. But it's it's because and also a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of speaker photos are horrible, right, People's like their

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<v Speaker 3>expressions when they speak, So we curate some of that

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<v Speaker 3>so that it's flattering, but it's not inauthentic in the

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<v Speaker 3>way where it's it's telling a story that's not there.

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<v Speaker 3>So I think that you know, we have to tell

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<v Speaker 3>the story that we've been invited to tell with dignity,

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<v Speaker 3>context and excellence. And like I I could have a

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<v Speaker 3>choice right when I lived in East Africa to to

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<v Speaker 3>photograph my friends and use those images to tell stories.

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<v Speaker 3>And I probably overstepped this a couple times, right, and

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<v Speaker 3>I had to pull back. Like actually, when I went

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<v Speaker 3>through a redid my entire website. This was years ago,

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<v Speaker 3>five or six years ago, I realized, I don't know

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<v Speaker 3>that I have informed consent for some of these amazing images,

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<v Speaker 3>so I'm taking them down. So I'm not at all

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<v Speaker 3>saying I haven't made mistakes. What I think you have

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<v Speaker 3>to do is edit your life as you realize, right

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<v Speaker 3>and as you know better. And I really give a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of credit to Photographers Without Borders. I went on

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<v Speaker 3>a trip to Guatemala with them and I got certified

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<v Speaker 3>in ethical storytelling and the questions. That is a bipocket

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<v Speaker 3>like women led organization. And what is so amazing about

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<v Speaker 3>that is like they are asking hard, uncomfortable questions and

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<v Speaker 3>that really helped me because in the non for profit

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<v Speaker 3>and organizational works especially, the stakes are high, like it's easier,

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<v Speaker 3>and that's why actually some organizations choose not to work

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<v Speaker 3>with me. One maybe because of price thing, but two

471
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<v Speaker 3>it takes more time to do something the right way,

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<v Speaker 3>and people want it quick and dirty and they just

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<v Speaker 3>want to tell a story to get funding. But I

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<v Speaker 3>would tell you too, the impact and the funding that

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<v Speaker 3>is going to be people staying with you for the

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<v Speaker 3>long term is going to be when you do that

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<v Speaker 3>better and when you do it with dignity and intention

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<v Speaker 3>and you really get that informed consent. So images shape

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<v Speaker 3>how we see each other. Right, they can dissuade us

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<v Speaker 3>from loving each other, they can reinforce fear, or they

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<v Speaker 3>can open opportunity to truly see each other. And it's

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<v Speaker 3>not neutral. Photography is not neutral. It actually lends itself

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<v Speaker 3>to exploitation. So I want to be very careful in

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<v Speaker 3>how I use it. I consider it a huge responsibility

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<v Speaker 3>that I have this camera, and for me, I try

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<v Speaker 3>to use it as a tool. I try to show

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<v Speaker 3>it's like a mirror to show people who they really are,

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<v Speaker 3>the beauty, the amazingness that God created them to be.

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<v Speaker 3>That maybe sometimes like we all lose sight of.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely no, there is that energetic impact through absolutely yeah, And.

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<v Speaker 1>I think we see that through the impact of social media.

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<v Speaker 2>We see that through the impact of where we connect

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<v Speaker 2>with incredible you know, business owners, and we also see

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<v Speaker 2>the you know downside of that.

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<v Speaker 1>So that you spoke to I'd love to talk about

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<v Speaker 1>where the audience can find you.

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<v Speaker 2>You also have some incredible things that you've kind of

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<v Speaker 2>released this summer, so please share you know, all that.

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<v Speaker 1>You have going on in your world.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And I want to say one more thing too.

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<v Speaker 3>We didn't get to this question, but as an MS warrior,

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<v Speaker 3>I always say this, like, if you if if for

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<v Speaker 3>a moment, the moment, the mom of twenty years is

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<v Speaker 3>going to come out if you are you know, charging

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<v Speaker 3>ahead full steam. I actually feel like for me, I

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<v Speaker 3>had a gift of a life disruption, of a life

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<v Speaker 3>changing diagnosis that forced me to take things like rest

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<v Speaker 3>and nutrition and sleep and you know, sleep hygiene and

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<v Speaker 3>like therapeutic care, all all those things, like breath work,

511
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<v Speaker 3>like all those things very much more seriously. But I

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<v Speaker 3>my hope and prayer is that if you are listening,

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<v Speaker 3>you never feel less then, and you never feel like

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<v Speaker 3>you're not doing enough. You feel and know that you

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<v Speaker 3>can stop right where you are, edit make the changes

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<v Speaker 3>you need to be the hero of your own story,

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<v Speaker 3>and trust that you are not going to miss what's

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<v Speaker 3>good for you in caring for yourself. That's never where

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<v Speaker 3>you're gonna miss it. And we don't, as especially as women.

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<v Speaker 3>We don't just care for ourselves because we're moms and

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<v Speaker 3>so our kids deserve it. We care for ourselves because

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<v Speaker 3>we deserve that. And so I think a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>people will be like, I have to do it for

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<v Speaker 3>my kids. It will have an impact on them because

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<v Speaker 3>they will see us and the biggest thing is modeled.

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<v Speaker 3>But that's not why I care for myself. I care

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<v Speaker 3>for myself because I'm worthy of caring for myself. And

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<v Speaker 3>I just want women listening to know they are worthy

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<v Speaker 3>of caring for themselves, hopefully before a life changing diagnosis,

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<v Speaker 3>so but thank you so much for the opportunity. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>you can find me at howa Hawaimages dot com and

532
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<v Speaker 3>I'm over on Instagram. I have more fun on the

533
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<v Speaker 3>Instagram streets than the LinkedIn streets. The LinkedIn streets be boring, y'all,

534
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<v Speaker 3>but my shenanigans are more on the Instagram streets. But

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<v Speaker 3>I love connecting. I'm a local photographer, brand storyteller, visual

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<v Speaker 3>storyteller based in Nightdale, right outside of Raleigh. Shout out

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<v Speaker 3>to Nightdale. I love my town and I do work

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<v Speaker 3>all around the Triangle and I've done work all around

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<v Speaker 3>the world, you know, Taiwan, India, East Africa, so I

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<v Speaker 3>love traveling as well. It's always going to be a

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<v Speaker 3>part of my heart because that's where I started my

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<v Speaker 3>photography journey. And then yeah, I would love I am

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<v Speaker 3>right now really looking to partner. Like I offer free

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<v Speaker 3>discovery calls where and I don't follow up with you

545
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<v Speaker 3>to the end of time. I just want to hear

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<v Speaker 3>about your brand and business and see if it's aligned alignment.

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<v Speaker 3>Transparency are also huge values of me and authenticity, So transparency,

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<v Speaker 3>like I show you my typical session producer between one

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<v Speaker 3>hundred and fifty and two hundred and fifty images from

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<v Speaker 3>one photoshoot. So it's no joke like you're going to

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<v Speaker 3>be tired, but you're going to be grateful when you

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<v Speaker 3>get that gallery because it's a lot. If you are

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<v Speaker 3>showing up and building a business and a brand and

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<v Speaker 3>a life that you love on social media, I would

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<v Speaker 3>love to cheer you on. I would love to give

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<v Speaker 3>you assets that are going to build that for you

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<v Speaker 3>in a way that is aligned and feels like you,

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<v Speaker 3>but like snatched and elevated.

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<v Speaker 1>Awesome.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you so much, Rock Sanne, and thank you yeah

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<v Speaker 2>for watching Musings and Modalities.

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<v Speaker 1>Tune in.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you for having me Tristan, I really appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 2>Tune in the second and four Thursdays of each month

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<v Speaker 2>at three thirty pm Pacific six thirty pm Eastern.

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<v Speaker 1>For more fabulous episodes. Thank you for listening.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you for tuning into this week's episode of Musings

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<v Speaker 2>and Modalities. The truth has a resonance and if you

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