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Speaker 1: Okay, we're barreling across Interstate A east into Arizona. We

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just we crossed the California Arizona border about twenty minutes ago,

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and we escaped one of the most miserable del Tacos

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I've ever been to. It was like this the rectum

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of depravity. We emerged from the rectum of the pravity.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: It felt like like, you know, if if you had

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done something filthy that you regretted it just being there al,

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would you like to expound on this please? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: I think this place really We spent forty minutes in there,

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and I think really it might have been five years.

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We like step out in kind of a Rip Van

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Winkle time warp. Really, what was off right away was

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the guy behind the counter. He would he just turned

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right around and he was just like yeah. He didn't

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say like, hey, what can I get you?

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Speaker 1: He was like yeah, he'd pre been up for three days.

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Speaker 3: The whole he was fucking meth out.

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Speaker 1: All of southern California just feels riddled with methamphetamine. Dirty

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Backstreet exchanged for sex methamphetamine. It just feels like the

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fucking dirtiest, nastiest motel you've ever passed on the wrong

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side of town, right, Like I think of this one

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I sing in Lordsburg, New Mexico. Right, It's like you

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just looking at it makes you feel dirty.

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Speaker 3: And our first order went through fine. You got a burrito.

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I got a taco to burrito and that went through fine.

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The ladies in the back were making the food and

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they were real busy. That drive through was clearly del

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doc was the only thing going in El Central, California.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, nobody in there looked like they were doing good.

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Speaker 3: Well.

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Speaker 1: The ladies working there seemed like they were probably you know,

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nicer and probably not on metal.

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Speaker 3: They were working real hard.

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Speaker 1: But the manager of their boss seemed like he was definitely.

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Speaker 3: On mets, sweating just looking through us.

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Speaker 1: And we you know, we were at San Diego earlier today.

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Shout out to San Diego. Beautiful San Diego. They showed

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us a lot of love. Three hundred plus people came

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out to the show last night. It was fucking great.

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And then we walked out with Mike Simpson today at

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Torrey Pines looking at plants and feeling the cool oceanic

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breeze off the Pacific, and then we went over a

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mountains as we barreled ease today and the minute we

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went over the mountains, we descended into the heat Dome.

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Speaker 3: Who was ninety nine degrees at like ten pm.

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Speaker 1: You have the Imperial Desert. Shit, it's eighty six now

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at the twelve twenty, it's late. Now we're going, we're headed.

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We're trying to make it to Mesa tonight. We're gonna

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stay at our buddy Augie's house. And then we got

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a Phoenix show tomorrow, and I guess there's like it's

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like two hundred people. Maybe we'll sell a couple more

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thickets and we're gonna attack, attack all the horticulture of Phoenix.

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There's a lot of horrible shit out there. Shout out

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to the Queen Creek, Botana, the Garden. Not really, We're

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just I would like to find a way to sneak

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in there, just to just to film some of this stuff.

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It's like at the miniature golf course Epstein Island Landscaping.

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But uh, you know, it's it's weird out here the

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desert at night. The Interstate eight I've spent I've spent

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a lot of time out here in these deserts of

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southern California and I've got a certain a fondness for them, right,

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but they do feel dirty, right, I mean even.

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Speaker 3: From that Del Taco is clinging to us.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it is, but we haven't even escaped it because

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Arizona's got this weird thing going on here too. Nothing.

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myth on the West coast, but it can't it's not

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all It's not all myth though. It's not just the

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meth that's the problem, right, there's other there's a cultural sickness.

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Maybe I don't know what it is.

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Speaker 3: I think El Central is like a prison town. There's

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there like a prison outside of it, and that's always

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like if you were if you were like

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bleeding wounded on the street, like very few people would

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would stop to help you.

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Speaker 3: It feels like it seemed like everybody for themselves. There

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was a couple in there eating food that was like

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the guy had like a handlebar mustache and the lady

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was covered in tattoos, and they were like not like

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it sounds like I just described like a hipster couple

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from two thousand and nine. It wasn't like, oh they

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were grizzled. Yeah, they were old and grizzled.

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Speaker 1: There was some wear and terror.

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Speaker 3: It was like David Lynch characters. It felt surreal in there,

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had David Lynch characters.

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Speaker 3: Man, things went awry when you got that second burrito joint.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I just and it was just a bean like,

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it was just beans in the tortilla. I literally I

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ordered a bean burrito and no, they didn't give me

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any cheese or anything. But I wasn't complaining because you know,

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you put the hot sauce on Eric. The hot sauce

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can make a doctor taste good. So I was satisfied.

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Speaker 3: He needed that second burrito. And we waited for about

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twenty minutes when you after you ordered the second one.

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Speaker 1: Now, I got up and said something to the guy

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and he got really airanoid and he's like, I say,

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you walk outside. I saw you walk outside with this

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I gave you. And he was like, no, man, you

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didn't give me the burrito. I gave you the burrito

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and he's like, what you took it outside outside it's

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like he was accusing me of stealing. It was like

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Speaker 3: Jugg crazy vibe switched and then the lady was like, hey,

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it's fine, and she just slid you a burrito over the.

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Speaker 1: Tayb distracted the guy and then he went back to

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pacing back and forth, fo by the sweating.

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Speaker 3: He was wearing the drive through headset taking orders.

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Speaker 1: It's been up for three days. They got these Employee

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of the month. He's been up for three days. It's

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a weird fucking dynamic. They didn't have a bathroom over there.

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soda machine, I took it back to the car and

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it was ice cold and I put my mouth on it.

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come out of a fucking you know, four indard foot

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deep well in the desert.

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Speaker 3: It was like a sour Yeah, it was brutal.

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Speaker 1: It was like from the depths of Hell. It was

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fucking it's it's it's weird out here.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 1: When I used to Bonnie in the deserts, I would

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it's dryer. It's not humid like a nuts sc you

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know where I live, and that sex a little bit.

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the balmy humidity where you have to spoon the air

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in thr lungs and the knights don't really cool off

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and sweating doesn't do anything, but you get the point.

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fifteen during the day here and just a whole lot

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of creoso bush.

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Speaker 3: And the moon is the moon was hanging low on

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the wane and it was and it was like reddish

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orange and huge.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. And as we barreled across this this Interstate eight,

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this dark and mysterious, somewhat spooky internet eight in Interstate eight,

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put we put on a frontline documentary about meth. Do

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you know, just just for the ambience, just set the moon.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's kind of like you know when in Rome,

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you know you kind of got it, you know, you

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learn about the local boy.

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Speaker 1: Just fucking god.

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Speaker 3: Now I didn't know biker meth the old way of

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making meth. It's only about half his potent, you know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, with the well, well, no, it was more pure.

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they tested it with the meth that had been confiscated

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by the cops. They were coarse but correlating that to

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the spikes in meth arrests. And then when the purity

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if fedrin and then suit a fedrin, you know, buying

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it in bulk, and then that in turn would cause

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the purity to drop, and then people wouldn't get as addicted.

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Speaker 3: They could get off ei.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and then they had the cop that was talking

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about the you know, the sequence arrests, sequenced arrests of like,

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she was looking pretty attractive and then you know, now

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she said, by I wouldn't touch you with a ten

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Speaker 3: And then like that, I had this whole vie where

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he was just dying about you know, you know, these

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really attracted.

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Speaker 1: Like you gonna swipe right, she's he's gonna swipe right.

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I would have swiped right on her eight years ago,

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but now no way. Well, I'll pick the pandion and

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Speaker 3: Speaking of the progressive faces of Beth, we were saying

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that that guy at Del Paco's employee of the Month

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photo would be up and he'd be employee of the

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month for like fifty months straight, and every month it

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would just be like a progression into meth.

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Speaker 1: He sleeeps like once every six and a half days.

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He goes down. Fucking hey man, it's weird. It's always weird,

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don't tolerate. I don't know, but the meth is real,

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bad O west Man. I mean, it's a you know,

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it's a it's a serious issue. To contend with.

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Speaker 3: That meth jaw. It's like cokejaw, where they're eating an

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they keep snapping their jawing shit, and then they

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you could see why there's all kinds of legends

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about the spooky things in the desert. I'm not even

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gonna mention some of the stuff because you know, you

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don't want to bring that energy upon.

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Speaker 1: You don't want to hex yourself.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you don't.

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Speaker 1: Just spook me out. Was the fucking six dollars gas.

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a show in La that was fun. We played at

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the Tree with or Dude. I kept thinking about how

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much how much of gnorrhea and cocaine had had entered

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Speaker 3: That shower is cursed.

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Speaker 1: The tributear Dude Dude bands on to it. You played

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Speaker 3: Your played the tributart is pretty cool.

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Speaker 1: It was pretty, It was pretty cool. Pretty, it was

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pretty cool.

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Speaker 3: Everybody at work there was a little weird except Kyle shoutout.

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Speaker 1: Kyle thought they were nice, right, yeah, which just there

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was just a weird vibe, you know, but they treat

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their employees good. It's it's evident. And then uh, yeah, yeah,

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it's fucking Monday night and it's like a rock club,

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some you know, wing the rant about plants. But apparently

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they did, and uh had a couple hundred people out here,

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and then we did San Diego last night, three hundred people.

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Louis Pete on my hoodie.

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Speaker 1: The stage collapsed, and then the poor soul work in

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the a V like tried to put the podium back

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up and it caused the to fall off and shit.

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And I just kept going and they had projector trouble

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at person, but it was all fine. Everybody was in

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such a good mood. Everybody's so nice. So many people

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came up afterwards too that were like the kind of

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people like. Everybody who came up was like, Oh, there's

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someone I could like. Wish I had twenty minutes to

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sit down over coffee and talk with this person. They

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seemed pretty cool and uh and kind and fun. And

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spending too much time in La. I do like the dirty,

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gritty side of La.

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Speaker 3: It's got a nice edge to it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I do. And I went to Lebrea Tarpits. That

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was fucking fun. That was really incredible. So many species

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of MegaFon of that are now extinct. It's very it's

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very confounding, right, I mean a lot. There was an

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extinct caracara species. Uh, there was an American lion. There's

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the saber toothed cat of course, three different species of

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uh what's the word for elephant, uh, mammoth. Yeah, it

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was a pachadermackderms. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was. It was.

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That was fucking I love going there. I haven't been

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there in a long time.

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Speaker 3: I shouldn't walk in.

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Speaker 1: Oh, it's so cool right in downtown l A. And

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the like the bubbling tarpets are still there. And I

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guess there's a fly that whose larva only feed on

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insects that get trapped in the tar. Whoa, and so

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it's but it's an awesome but it and it can

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tolerate the tar, like the larva can tolerate the uh,

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petroleum products.

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Speaker 3: It's basically like a petroleum hot spring, is what's going on.

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Speaker 1: Basically, I saw this like tar bubbling up from oil deposits.

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I don't I should know, I didn't. I didn't actually

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read it. The there'd be an interesting thing to explain,

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it would be worth hearing. But uh, but yeah, but

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you know, there's a bunch of oil wells, a bunch

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of oil rigs off the coast. I mean, there's petroleum

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throughout that whole area. There's you know, oil dereks, or

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there used to be oil dereks throughout the La Basin.

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Speaker 3: So he yeah, I said, wow, I said, we got.

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Speaker 1: To see the English ivy covered in urine, which is,

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you know, such a California thing for me, reminds me

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of Oakland. You know that the hetero helix, the horticultural

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atrocity planted along the freeway covered in urine, maybe with

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the you know, used dope break, you know, uncapped needles

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sticking up out of it. Definitely some human feces. The

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smell of human feces after it's been baking in the

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California sun for a few days. It's got that like

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halatosis smell to it. I'm sorry, I get really descriptive

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with this stuff. I can't help it.

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Speaker 3: He's like a poet of filth.

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Speaker 1: But uh, but you know, but now we're now we're

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in Arizona, fucking tours almost over it. It's been really good.

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Tucson was a blast.

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Speaker 3: I was gonna say, Tucson was awesome.

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Speaker 1: Cactus Store was great too. Cactus I thought I was

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just doing a book signing, but then I ended up

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speaking for a little while, and.

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Speaker 3: You did the whole You did the whole set.

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Speaker 1: It was out doors. Yeah, it was fun. Man, it

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was a good it was really nice. Yeah, out of

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the yard good. It takes me a day to get

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into it though, Like I felt like Tucson, I was off.

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People still loved it though, but I was, you know,

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I'm always like, ah, people are gonna dip out early.

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Nobody dipped out early. It was. It was a fun

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fucking time people come up and then just doing book signing,

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shooting the ship with people.

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Speaker 3: It was.

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Speaker 1: It's always really fun. I wish I wish we had

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like another week of it maybe, but the Southwest is

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far and wide and I've got to get back to Texas.

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I missed my kid. And then going to Costa Rica

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to help out with Allen and Mandy's tour in a

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cloud forest up into Paramoe.

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Speaker 3: We should do some more of these anyway.

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Speaker 1: Uh yeah, so we're uh, we got an hour to go,

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an hour left, just filled up with six dollars a

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gallon gas, you know, out a quarter tank, right, I

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don't Yeah, I'm not paying for the whole thing because

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it should only be four fifty.

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Speaker 3: You go piece by piece.

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Speaker 1: It was like four fifty at the border and then uh,

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you know it was six bucks in the middle. Ere

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fucking opportunists. You know, I don't want to hear it, right,

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everybody's hurting these days. But yeah, I think I want

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to stick around Phoenix for a while and film some

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horrendous shit. How do we do you have time to

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do that? Saturday?

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Speaker 3: Are you gonna I'm gonna be hanging out with my cousin.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's right, Okay, hang out with my cousins.

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Speaker 3: Argo.

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Speaker 1: See if I have enough material in Phoenix to film

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an episode of Spiritually Depraved.

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Speaker 3: I think it might be like the Epicenter of the Head. Yeah,

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it is a very special episode.

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Speaker 1: It's crazy. You look at like a satellite map and

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there's so much green in the middle of the deserts.

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It shouldn't be there.

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Speaker 3: It should go just like somebody's pool.

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Speaker 1: Bo Ducks, Clinics, Personal Injury and thirty. But what's it like?

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What's it like growing up in Phoenix? I wonder?

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: It's gotta be rough.

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Speaker 3: It's just like the weird. I feel like it's one

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of those cities where the whole place is suburbs. Yeah,

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a lot of those.

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Speaker 1: Right, right, Like most of the development's been in the

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last twenty years.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, just yeah, car centric an an insane amount of

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you know, the city's on life support basically, like it

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shouldn't exist. It's just has all this these resources piped

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in and you can kind of feel it.

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Speaker 1: You know, what aquifer are they draining to keep all

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the all the turf grass and golf courses?

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Speaker 3: Show Phoenix is the Colorado River? Isn't it? Is it?

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Speaker 1: The Colorado River is everything? All the all the agriculture

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that we just went through.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I was looking at a satellite map of the stuff

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we were driving through, and it's just like a plaid

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grid of green that shouldn't be there in the driest

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desert in North America.

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Speaker 3: Are they selling them the Ogalalla aquifer? I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I think the water, I think that water is all coming. Yeah,

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it's all Colorado River water.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, right, But.

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Speaker 1: Then there's got to be I know, the tap water

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here is probably filthy, dirty, and it's probably just ridden

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with minerals and maybe some you know, trace carcinogens, god

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knows what else.

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Speaker 3: If the water at Del Taco is the indication in

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El Central, it is fucking terrible.

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Speaker 1: Tory Pines was really nice today. Pinus toriana, this rare

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pine species that only grows in tory Pines State Reserve

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and on Santa Rosa Island and the Channel Islands. I

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remember going down there like fifteen years ago, maybe it

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was a little bit longer. I went down there, maybe

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it was two thousand and nine. I slept in the

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back of my car in that neighborhood because it's in

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like a fancy neighborhood. And then you know, you can

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see all these rare plants that you see like ale,

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a little nutlet, a little piece of vestigial landscape.

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Speaker 3: This back when you were tree crazy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, when I was first getting into botany. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

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it must have been like two thousand and nine. But

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so there's all this incredibly rare and beautiful shit growing

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in tory Pine State Reserve, and then you go down

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into the town and it's like just whack shit like limoniums,

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like these corny, fucking out of context landscape, landscaping atrocities,

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you know, just ship that's got like like nothing native,

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nothing really having any context here. Ship from South Africa,

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ship from you know, Mediterranean climates in like Western Australia,

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which is oh cool stuff where it's native. But it's

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just like why why do that? Like You've got all

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this incredible ship here, and then all these cool insects

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and birds that are depending on it. We saw a

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peregrine falcon flying around above the bluffs just cruising. Seen

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some nice composites there too, corith Rogeny philad genifolia, which

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is macarantheray or macarantherine AIGs the Grendelia tribe that it's

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like a chalky mint green leaf bastard with you know,

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really pretty white daisy like flowers with white rays. And

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then there was oh god, I just forgot the name

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os Medina tanella, which I think is a tarweed. Is that, Maddy, Maddy?

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Let me look at the tax on. Yeah, it's tribe

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matti Aid's one of the tarweeds which are common in California,

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the progenitors to the Hawaiian silver sorts. One of those

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tarweeds made it to the Hawaiian islands five or six

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million years ago and turned in like so many plants

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do when they get to islands, to a much larger,

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more robust because there's no rbivy pressure species of plant

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that can live for years, whereas these are all annuals.

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Most of the maddies are annuals. But it was really

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cool to look at the flowers see the distinction between

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ray florets and disc floorids. The ray florets instead of

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being instead of the rays being strapped like with three lobes,

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they were basically like these little three lobed corollas, the

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three lobes like spread out the bunch. It was a

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really really bizarre form for a compositi. If you don't

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know what the fuck I'm talking about, that's okay. You

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gotta become familiar with asta rac They're fucking everwhere you

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need to understand composite morphology. I should do a YouTube

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lecture just on asta racy. I think I have before,

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but I'll do another one. And how about Mike Simpson though, Yeah,

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hanging out with Mike Yeah, really, really really calm, gentle,

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knowledgeable dude. The guy that wrote Plant Systematics, which I'm

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always hyping up, wrote the entire like twelve hundred page textbook,

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the fourth Editions in the Works.

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Speaker 3: We were sitting We were sitting there in the little

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town of Delmar outside of Tory Pines, eating sandwiches in

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that little brick cord he brought us.

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Speaker 1: He bought us sandwiches. That was really nice of him too. Man,

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let me pay you for it. He's like, now, don't

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worry about us. Okay.

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Speaker 3: We were shedding there a little in the little courtyard.

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You guys were talking about science. I felt, I said, well,

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it was just I feel like Aristotle. Right now, we're

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here in a public square, we're talking about science here

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in a forum, you know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the free and open exchange of ideas, you know,

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here under the tree, you know. And in the age

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of declining intellect in this country, intentionally declining intellect, there's

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the whole country's getting thumber. We're trying to keep the intellect,

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the life, you know, for the public good. Yeah, he

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was telling me about God. What was that three two

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three or three five three? I think it was three

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five three three five three. Sequencing it's some some shit

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Q someone at Q Gardens made up it's or or

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it didn't made up but invented. It's a Instead of

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sequencing gene regions, they're sequencing sequencing nuclear genes that are

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scattered throughout the genomen It provides because it's scattered throughout

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the genomeens that of just one gene region. It gives

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a more broad and a better idea because you're you've

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got more data, a better idea of where something might

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come out in a phylogeny. When you compare the genetic

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sequence or those sequences of one species with those of another,

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you can tell how closely related they are, if they're

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in the same genus or or what. But uh, which

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is what I really want to do with all the

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West Texas and South Texas different ecotypes of plants like

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you know too Trophi diaheca, or even peyote or Hamado

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cactus hamatic cantus, which has two different ecotypes in each place.

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Jo Trophi diaheka is same thing Sydney attenuafolia. They're not

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classified into different subspecies, but they certainly look like different

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ecotypes because there's totally different climates and mainly just in

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00:22:28,079 --> 00:22:31,480
the realm of humidity and nighttime temperatures between West Texas

469
00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:33,720
and South Texas. So I want to see, you know,

470
00:22:34,079 --> 00:22:37,400
how long has well, First off, I wonder how long

471
00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:44,039
that climate, those climate climatic differences have existed and if

472
00:22:44,079 --> 00:22:46,880
it has had much of an effect on the genomes

473
00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:50,880
of all these different plants, especially like the peyotes, because

474
00:22:51,079 --> 00:22:54,759
Aerocarpus doesn't really like you know, Areacarpus grows in West Texas,

475
00:22:54,759 --> 00:22:56,960
but it doesn't really like South Texas is too humid.

476
00:22:57,640 --> 00:23:00,599
It likes it more exposed, It likes cooler nights. I

477
00:23:00,599 --> 00:23:04,319
imagine it likes it a lot more arid, not as humid.

478
00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:07,799
It's a really interesting stuff. But uh again, it's not

479
00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:10,839
as easy to sequence plants as it is the sequence mushrooms.

480
00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:13,880
Some but I had never heard of the three five three?

481
00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:16,480
Is that we am? I even giving it even, you know,

482
00:23:19,319 --> 00:23:22,559
it wasn't three two three, wasn't those I was reading

483
00:23:22,599 --> 00:23:24,240
about it. I gotta I still got to read more

484
00:23:24,279 --> 00:23:25,400
about it.

485
00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:27,160
Speaker 3: It's like a finer level of detail.

486
00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:29,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, three five three sequencing for plant.

487
00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:32,960
Speaker 3: Finally, ship you can really get down in there. You

488
00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:36,440
can learn some stuff about when stuff started evolving different

489
00:23:38,319 --> 00:23:41,519
different as far as I understand it, when it diverged.

490
00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:43,359
Speaker 1: That I missed. I didn't miss the fucking turnoff, did I?

491
00:23:44,319 --> 00:23:50,799
Speaker 3: Oh god, no, no, there's multiple it's a heela be over.

492
00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:54,240
Speaker 1: So when don't we get out of here? Saturday Saturday?

493
00:23:54,279 --> 00:23:57,000
I guess Saturday night or Sunday morning, will leave Phoenix,

494
00:23:59,400 --> 00:23:59,920
head back.

495
00:23:59,799 --> 00:24:02,720
Speaker 3: To Sunday morning coming down.

496
00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:06,799
Speaker 1: Oh, it's getting fucking late. We got one more hour

497
00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:09,160
left anyway. Yeah, well we'll let you go right now

498
00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:11,960
and then we'll get back to you and when we're

499
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:15,039
continuing the drive. We got an eight hour drive headed

500
00:24:15,079 --> 00:24:18,160
back to West Texas from Phoenix on Saturday or Sunday.

501
00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:19,920
So we'll check back in with you. And you got

502
00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:23,079
anything else you want to add, you know, I, uh,

503
00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:26,000
Interstate eight.

504
00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:29,880
Speaker 3: We got some blazing lights off to the left of US.

505
00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:32,000
I don't know what they are. It looks very.

506
00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:34,240
Speaker 1: Dystopic person or some ice attention.

507
00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:37,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, it looks terrible. Uh, you know, it's just the

508
00:24:37,599 --> 00:24:40,839
desolation of the desert and you don't really just thanks

509
00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:43,640
to everybody who's coming out to these things, I said, wow,

510
00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:46,799
you know they were they really like it. You know,

511
00:24:47,319 --> 00:24:49,920
they're getting the shirts, they're getting the you know you'll

512
00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:51,400
see me at the merch table.

513
00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:54,400
Speaker 1: You know, thanks for it. Because I didn't get any message.

514
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:56,920
I didn't get any mean emails from someone named Barbara

515
00:24:56,920 --> 00:25:00,119
that started off with, well, my husband seems to think

516
00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:02,200
you're worth lastening too, but I can't really stand. You

517
00:25:02,559 --> 00:25:04,440
haven't gotten any of those in a year or two.

518
00:25:05,559 --> 00:25:09,119
Speaker 3: That was That was the lady who couldn't get a.

519
00:25:08,799 --> 00:25:12,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, but she fucking hated She hated crime page anyway,

520
00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:14,599
even though she came out. It came out just so

521
00:25:14,599 --> 00:25:17,319
she could get angry. Why she wanted a good upset

522
00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:20,240
people do. Everybody's hurting these days. Everybody needs to, you know,

523
00:25:20,279 --> 00:25:22,680
a shrink. Everyone's got to talk to their therapist. You

524
00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:24,960
can't blame them, right, We're all in a state of

525
00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:31,319
mental and emotional and spiritual decline distress. We're never gonna

526
00:25:31,319 --> 00:25:34,480
have healthcare, We're never gonna have affordable education. So this,

527
00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:36,039
this is the best you got, folks. You got to

528
00:25:36,079 --> 00:25:39,319
just learn to laugh at it and figure out to

529
00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:40,920
get him where you fit them. I guess I don't

530
00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:41,960
know takes you.

531
00:25:42,039 --> 00:25:43,640
Speaker 3: We can do better, though, because at the end of

532
00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:45,519
the day, at the end of the day, the end

533
00:25:45,519 --> 00:25:47,799
of the day, I think collapse.

534
00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:50,880
Speaker 1: Is all that's gonna eventually make things change. You know,

535
00:25:51,039 --> 00:25:54,039
once the system collapses and you know, the dollar gets

536
00:25:54,079 --> 00:25:57,720
completely devalued, you know, it's not used as the standard

537
00:25:57,759 --> 00:26:01,000
anymore for currency, you know, for the world and whatnot.

538
00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:05,279
Speaker 3: You know, that's why I'm investing in crime base coin

539
00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:10,680
gotta be terrible. I'm sorry to even make that joke.

540
00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:11,839
Speaker 1: That would be horrible.

541
00:26:12,279 --> 00:26:13,319
Speaker 3: I'm sorry about that.

542
00:26:13,519 --> 00:26:14,680
Speaker 1: We started a crime.

543
00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:19,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, here's send me ten bucks. I keep it.

544
00:26:19,839 --> 00:26:21,440
Speaker 1: You got permission to hit me in the head with

545
00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:23,519
a wrench if that ever, if that ever happens.

546
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:24,920
Speaker 3: Crazy.

547
00:26:26,519 --> 00:26:30,880
Speaker 1: What's that smell? It smells like it smells like bread

548
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:32,599
sticks kind of what is that? It's not a fart.

549
00:26:33,559 --> 00:26:34,839
I don't know what that is. Where the fuck that

550
00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:36,400
comes from? Do you have breadsticks? Do you like some

551
00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:37,720
sort of like Italian season?

552
00:26:37,839 --> 00:26:40,599
Speaker 3: I know it might just be the desert making smells.

553
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:44,640
Speaker 1: Over here by Paloma Road of Innish State eight. Hello,

554
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:50,759
Hello brether Yello, you gotta come up with the Google

555
00:26:50,839 --> 00:26:54,200
nab voice that switches to the crusty old home bum

556
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:58,839
you know, instead of the the bubbly obnoxious Google lady.

557
00:26:58,839 --> 00:27:01,200
It's like a It's like an old wino that like

558
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:04,720
continually re routsy to the recycling center, you know, or

559
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:07,720
like the liquor store to go pick up a fucking

560
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:11,319
a fucking forty ounce of Mickeys or a bottle of

561
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:12,400
Mad Dog or something.

562
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:16,960
Speaker 4: Bear left for five hundred ft swing by my old

563
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:23,039
lady's some some old rizzled wizard crawls out of the bushes.

564
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:25,799
Speaker 1: The tweakers on the back. He's clinging onto the under

565
00:27:26,079 --> 00:27:28,839
under the chesseis in a truck. That guy from Yeah,

566
00:27:28,839 --> 00:27:32,160
he's we took him with just like just like, just

567
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:34,920
like the Alien and the Sigourney Sigourney Weaver movies. You

568
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:37,359
know she's on there, Ripley, you know, you know, you

569
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:39,480
think you've made it away from the from the Alien.

570
00:27:39,559 --> 00:27:43,400
It's actually clinging onto the side of the still there.

571
00:27:44,319 --> 00:27:47,440
He's so fucking he's a a bug eye spun out,

572
00:27:47,839 --> 00:27:52,759
hanging on for dear life to the roof. When we

573
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:55,359
stopped for gas. He's gonna get out and start trying

574
00:27:55,359 --> 00:28:00,079
to choke us anyway. Okay, Yeah, we'll check back in

575
00:28:00,079 --> 00:28:02,039
in a day or two. It should be a good

576
00:28:02,039 --> 00:28:04,319
show tomorrow. And yeah, it's not like I gotta have

577
00:28:04,319 --> 00:28:05,640
a gress to Daygo fuck you up out.

578
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:12,559
Speaker 2: Okay, Welcome to the second episode of Tony's how Stricts podcast.

579
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:17,359
Is We're barreling down Interstate ten going eighty five miles

580
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:21,319
per hour, mildly swerving all over the road at approximately

581
00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:22,440
three thirty in the morning.

582
00:28:22,519 --> 00:28:22,960
Speaker 3: Is that right?

583
00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:24,119
Speaker 1: It's Mountain time.

584
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:26,519
Speaker 3: Right, I don't know why we chose to do this,

585
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:29,839
or if I chose to do this at all.

586
00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:32,119
Speaker 1: I go to you into it. I don't want to stop.

587
00:28:32,319 --> 00:28:35,799
We briefly considered stopping at the uh what was it

588
00:28:35,839 --> 00:28:37,599
the days in in uh Denning.

589
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:42,480
Speaker 3: I was in favor of stopping, sleeping and continuing to drive.

590
00:28:43,079 --> 00:28:45,160
Speaker 1: But you know what, the checkout times and at the

591
00:28:45,279 --> 00:28:48,160
check in the time intervals wouldn't have worked. They just

592
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:52,440
wouldn't have worked. So instead we're driving again two days later,

593
00:28:52,519 --> 00:28:55,000
two days past when we last talked to you. I

594
00:28:55,039 --> 00:28:57,160
got the house music because it helps me stay away.

595
00:28:57,319 --> 00:28:59,039
Speaker 3: Driving through tonight.

596
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:01,200
Speaker 1: And all the true there's not that many trucks out

597
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:03,680
on the road. That's another That's another alluring thing about

598
00:29:03,759 --> 00:29:05,759
driving at night is you don't have to see when

599
00:29:05,799 --> 00:29:07,240
you go through the city, Like we're gonna go through

600
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:08,599
all Passo. I don't want to have to look at

601
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:10,720
al Paso in the daylight.

602
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:16,640
Speaker 3: Right, we're gonna arrive arriving Outpie at eight forty five am.

603
00:29:16,079 --> 00:29:18,640
Speaker 1: But that's only because we're gaining two hours since when

604
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:21,240
we left Phoenix. The Phoenix show is fucking great, by

605
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:22,920
the way, sold out, We sold out three of the

606
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:25,240
four shows we did on this tour. It was a

607
00:29:25,279 --> 00:29:26,680
blast hung out with Marco.

608
00:29:27,039 --> 00:29:28,279
Speaker 3: I told them we'd do it.

609
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:30,279
Speaker 1: Hung out with my buddy Marco. And you know, there's

610
00:29:30,359 --> 00:29:33,880
like this gang in like four or five Chicano. Two

611
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:36,799
of them are brothers, the rest are just my brothers.

612
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:40,680
They're fucking wonderful people. I got people in Mesa, man,

613
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:43,680
and uh, they're all like in their mid forties, wonderful

614
00:29:43,759 --> 00:29:47,759
human beings. You know, got to see Saul Hoggy Marco,

615
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:53,960
Uh fucking uh uh. Aggie's brother wasn't in town, but uh,

616
00:29:54,039 --> 00:29:55,599
you know, I don't know. It was a wonderful time.

617
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:58,400
Marco's got a little if you're ever in Mesa, stop

618
00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:01,799
at Republica and it's a real nice spot. And he

619
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:04,559
just opened up another little shop with all this artists

620
00:30:04,559 --> 00:30:06,920
and ship in it that he brings in from Mexico.

621
00:30:07,039 --> 00:30:09,680
Real nice stuff they got. It's called Cosa Coopal. You

622
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:11,519
didn't see that spot, did you.

623
00:30:11,559 --> 00:30:13,599
Speaker 3: No. I was hanging out with my cousin, but I

624
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:16,000
saw pictures and it looked real nice.

625
00:30:16,759 --> 00:30:19,480
Speaker 1: With your cousin's wife who got red pilled by Israel.

626
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:22,839
Speaker 3: We don't, you know, Yeah, you know, he's you know, bumbshout.

627
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:23,599
Speaker 1: I could see it.

628
00:30:23,599 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 3: Bums. You know they're doing you know, they're doing this stuff.

629
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:29,839
A lot of people are real, you know, and they're

630
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:33,559
real uh, prejudice against Islam and I don't real license.

631
00:30:33,599 --> 00:30:35,559
You know, there's a lot of stuff, but also.

632
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:37,839
Speaker 1: You know, they're whatever. We don't need to talk about it.

633
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:43,519
But this real ain't the victim here, it's true. But anyway, yeah,

634
00:30:43,519 --> 00:30:45,599
but now it's looking real nice where you know, Phoenix

635
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:48,400
is fucking hot. Man with Phoenix and the palm trees.

636
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:51,960
I wanted to do Phoenix deserves its own episode or

637
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:56,359
a few episodes of spiritually depraved landscapes. But you know,

638
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:58,160
I looked once I got a good look at it.

639
00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:01,440
El was not out here. He's with I'm still I'm

640
00:31:01,599 --> 00:31:04,160
still doing this deal. But I think it's really the

641
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:07,000
wisest option. I haven't seen my kid in two weeks.

642
00:31:07,039 --> 00:31:08,759
I want to see her. And you know, the sooner

643
00:31:08,799 --> 00:31:10,359
we're off the road, we can't do the.

644
00:31:10,319 --> 00:31:13,279
Speaker 3: Math about that town. Okay, so if we stopped and

645
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:16,440
slept the way we wake up, we keep driving, We

646
00:31:16,559 --> 00:31:20,880
get to Alpine somewhat rested, and then you keep driving

647
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:22,319
to that night.

648
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:25,720
Speaker 1: I will go standing Monday morning, Monday, but this way

649
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:29,599
we'll get into the alpine early in the morning. We

650
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:33,000
won't have slept at all. We'll lounge around half sleeping

651
00:31:33,119 --> 00:31:37,079
all day, making ourselves feel worse, and then we'll probably

652
00:31:37,119 --> 00:31:38,759
sleep more in a night. But they got a track.

653
00:31:38,799 --> 00:31:40,640
We can go on a walk. We'll go up to

654
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:42,799
the coffee shop. I think the coffee shops open past

655
00:31:42,799 --> 00:31:44,720
and forward now he used to not be open. Passport.

656
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:47,160
We'll go see the little deers. You see the deers

657
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:47,799
in town.

658
00:31:47,839 --> 00:31:50,160
Speaker 3: The little guy dogs.

659
00:31:52,079 --> 00:31:54,079
Speaker 1: You know what I was telling all this story when

660
00:31:54,119 --> 00:31:56,759
I was when I was a much younger man, and

661
00:31:56,799 --> 00:32:00,880
I was in Dunsmere, California, first time I'd ever been

662
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:04,359
in Dunsmere. We met these old winos in the hobo

663
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:08,319
jungle there. One of them had like a twitching lazy eye,

664
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:11,440
like you was actively twitching. These were severe alcoholics. They

665
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:13,440
were nice guys, but I'm just being just called. What

666
00:32:13,559 --> 00:32:16,720
is they were alcohol? It was a vere alcohol twenty

667
00:32:16,799 --> 00:32:19,119
years ago. I'm sure none of them are alive anymore.

668
00:32:19,519 --> 00:32:22,200
But I met this one guy and they were in

669
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:24,359
the jungle there and they where he was rolling a

670
00:32:24,359 --> 00:32:27,279
cigarette and he looked at me and he said I

671
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:31,079
loved the women in Dungemere rather with his twitching, lazy eye,

672
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:35,680
and he was very right faced, and I stuck with me.

673
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:39,039
And then I thought about like duns mirror, because Dunemeir

674
00:32:39,119 --> 00:32:42,480
is not known for, you know, beautiful people. I've just

675
00:32:42,519 --> 00:32:45,119
put it that way, not that that they're ugly, but

676
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:46,119
I'm just saying.

677
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 3: It's not you know, I love the women and rather.

678
00:32:50,599 --> 00:32:52,319
Speaker 1: Anyway, so and it's kind of a rough time. There's

679
00:32:52,319 --> 00:32:54,240
lot of tweakers in that town. That's actually the only

680
00:32:54,279 --> 00:32:57,039
time I've ever been had my shit jacked in, like

681
00:32:57,079 --> 00:33:03,400
in any large degree despite yeah, but but anyway, shout

682
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:04,960
out to Benny because he made it out of there

683
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:06,839
and he's sober now, he's not drinking no more. I

684
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:08,039
thought I was going to get the call that he

685
00:33:08,119 --> 00:33:13,839
dropped any day now. But anyway, but it stuck with

686
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:17,000
me ever since, and on this long, lonely drive through

687
00:33:17,119 --> 00:33:20,279
southern New Mexico, I kept thinking of it. I'm like,

688
00:33:20,279 --> 00:33:22,000
where is that? You know, where are those where are

689
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:26,160
the where are the the Whinos? Today? Like where are

690
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:29,839
the Winos? Saying you know, how's the weather in Dunzmere.

691
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:34,000
Brother today in Dungemere. I don't think there's any alive anymore.

692
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:35,640
I don't think they're not. You know, it's just these

693
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:37,480
young kids. I don't know anyway, it was, it's there

694
00:33:37,559 --> 00:33:41,480
was a very poetic moment for me. Even though I

695
00:33:41,519 --> 00:33:43,200
looked at the man like he was great, I didn't

696
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:46,680
really know what to say when he said that. But

697
00:33:47,519 --> 00:33:50,160
do you ever get a chance to go to Dunsmere, California.

698
00:33:50,319 --> 00:33:53,119
They're in a Sacramento river, police do. It's a wonderful town,

699
00:33:53,319 --> 00:33:55,720
right and look past if you can look past a

700
00:33:55,759 --> 00:34:00,720
few blemishes, it's a wonderful town. Wait, well, hold on,

701
00:34:00,759 --> 00:34:04,799
we were talking about Phoenix. Though Phoenix doesn't like trees. Phoenix,

702
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:08,440
Phoenix doesn't like trees just as much as South Texas

703
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:09,239
doesn't like trees.

704
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:10,239
Speaker 3: They hate tree.

705
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:12,599
Speaker 1: They got palm. What'd you see? You saw a lot

706
00:34:12,599 --> 00:34:13,480
of palm trees there?

707
00:34:14,119 --> 00:34:15,400
Speaker 3: I saw out of poem.

708
00:34:15,639 --> 00:34:17,519
Speaker 1: It was a giant heat island.

709
00:34:18,599 --> 00:34:21,599
Speaker 3: Why did they do it like that? Dot com? Log

710
00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:23,119
on and find out the answer.

711
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:26,239
Speaker 1: Yes, so it's but Phoenix's lower elevation at two sounds,

712
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:28,239
so that makes it a little bit hotter. Two sounds

713
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:32,920
like twenty four hundred feet Phoenix, like twelve and uh,

714
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:36,599
and it's just it's a miserable fucking town. It's it's

715
00:34:36,599 --> 00:34:40,320
just very hot, very hot. It's like it reminds me

716
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:43,519
a little bit of Fort Worth in a way, like

717
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:48,159
it doesn't. It's got the same like car dependent, large streets,

718
00:34:48,199 --> 00:34:51,199
totally anti pedestrian friendly. But I wanted to do an

719
00:34:51,199 --> 00:34:53,679
episode of Spiracy to pray of landscapes, and I just

720
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:56,280
felt like I couldn't have done it justice in the

721
00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:59,000
one day I was there, you know, at Warrant's coming

722
00:34:59,079 --> 00:35:02,159
back and spending a week there to really just go

723
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:05,440
throughout the Phoenix metro area, you know, go to the

724
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:08,559
Queen Creek Botanic Garden, film the miniature golf course, landscaping

725
00:35:08,599 --> 00:35:11,639
they got there, filmed the palm trees, the complete lack

726
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:15,920
of trees in most places, and uh, and really nail

727
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:18,400
it down. But Marco's yard was, Man, I get to

728
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:21,599
see Marco's yard. He's got a wonderful fucking cactus garden.

729
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:22,480
Speaker 3: Uh.

730
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:25,599
Speaker 1: And he's got the man's got excellent style too. You

731
00:35:25,639 --> 00:35:28,199
know with these we just got a really really good

732
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:30,519
sense of he brings. So you know, most of these,

733
00:35:30,599 --> 00:35:33,800
most of my friends there that their families are from Sonora.

734
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:38,800
They came from Sonora, Mexico. And uh and uh, you know,

735
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:41,920
fucking Augie's house was nice. He bought this dilapidated house,

736
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:47,920
fixed it up impeccable style. He had a beautiful German

737
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:53,360
shepherd Belgian malinoa mix named Donna Summers. You know, it

738
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:55,199
was just it was just a good time, right, And

739
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:58,480
I remember I actually went to Mexico with this crew

740
00:35:58,639 --> 00:36:00,960
in June of twenty twenty four, and I just spent

741
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:02,840
the week with you. After like a spending a week

742
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:04,559
with them, they had their dads with them too, which

743
00:36:04,559 --> 00:36:08,639
are fucking hilarious, Like their dads are kind of unintentionally hilarious.

744
00:36:09,079 --> 00:36:12,679
After spending a week with them, all I was just yeah,

745
00:36:12,679 --> 00:36:14,480
I just I was just I was Chloe. I was

746
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:16,039
in a good mone. I just spent the week with

747
00:36:16,119 --> 00:36:17,639
some really wonderful fellowship.

748
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:18,920
Speaker 3: You hit the fellowship, I.

749
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:21,320
Speaker 1: Think, yeah, they were wonderful people, man, I mean you

750
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:22,039
met them, you.

751
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:23,760
Speaker 3: Know, well they are wonderful, good.

752
00:36:23,559 --> 00:36:29,480
Speaker 1: Guys, good fucking guys, good values, good people. But anyway, so,

753
00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:33,719
uh so now we're blasting on into Alpine, you know,

754
00:36:34,039 --> 00:36:37,639
just like a like a bad case at diarrhea, you know,

755
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:40,480
reverberating off of a bowld. What was your favorite show

756
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:41,440
that we did el.

757
00:36:45,159 --> 00:36:50,679
Speaker 3: Merch lord? You know Phoenix Crescent Ballroom and Phoenix had

758
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:53,239
the best in house merch set up. That had a

759
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:56,239
tall booth. They had the grid wall behind everything.

760
00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:59,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, that might have been my favorite show. I felt

761
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:01,360
like I did the best of Phoenix because it took

762
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:03,320
me a couple of shows to get into it again.

763
00:37:03,159 --> 00:37:07,239
Speaker 3: Getting juiced up. He's getting warmed up, and that venue

764
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:10,159
just felt nice. Yeah, you can really they had a

765
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:14,079
nice green room area. Yeah, they treat their people could Yeah,

766
00:37:14,159 --> 00:37:17,199
we had nice you know they you know, we got

767
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:20,519
some sandwiches. I just made that part up because I

768
00:37:20,599 --> 00:37:21,360
wanted to say it.

769
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:24,079
Speaker 1: But you know, then where we get a sandwich? Oh no,

770
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:25,880
Mike Simpson bought a sandwiches.

771
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:27,320
Speaker 3: Mike Simpson bought us.

772
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:28,639
Speaker 1: We went to Pines.

773
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:30,719
Speaker 3: What a classy guy.

774
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:33,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I hadn't seen him. I went out to I

775
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:36,039
went out to dinner with him like four years ago,

776
00:37:36,079 --> 00:37:37,159
maybe five years ago.

777
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:43,719
Speaker 3: But class act but plant systematics of the heart.

778
00:37:44,039 --> 00:37:46,800
Speaker 1: Yeah. San Diego showed a lot of love. San Diego

779
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:48,320
was a fucking great time.

780
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:50,960
Speaker 3: Temple turned up and they and they turned out.

781
00:37:51,679 --> 00:37:55,239
Speaker 1: I didn't think LA was gonna be two hundred plus.

782
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:57,199
That was pretty cool. That was nice.

783
00:37:56,760 --> 00:38:00,159
Speaker 3: Monday night, two hundred plus going.

784
00:38:00,079 --> 00:38:03,920
Speaker 1: To the True Wood order to listen to some crazy

785
00:38:04,159 --> 00:38:06,239
wop rant about plants for two hours.

786
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:09,159
Speaker 3: You know, it was a special time.

787
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:13,559
Speaker 1: Nobody left in the middle. Nobody sent me any angry emails. Afterwards.

788
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:16,199
People seemed like the people said they enjoyed it.

789
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:20,239
Speaker 3: So everybody's having a good time. They I see them,

790
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:22,320
I watch them all. I see everybody in there.

791
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:23,239
Speaker 1: Wouldn't bullshit me.

792
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:24,679
Speaker 3: I wouldn't bullshit you.

793
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:26,800
Speaker 1: If people look they think it sucked.

794
00:38:27,639 --> 00:38:30,320
Speaker 3: If people they think it sucked, Tony, if.

795
00:38:30,159 --> 00:38:32,840
Speaker 1: People were falling asleep and boarded out of their minds,

796
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:34,400
they fucking you know they would leave.

797
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:37,639
Speaker 3: Tell me, yeah, no, I watch them. I watch them.

798
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:40,159
I mean, it's your people. They're coming to see the

799
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:42,159
laughing the as Ye.

800
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 1: Yes.

801
00:38:43,039 --> 00:38:46,800
Speaker 3: Anyway, but jokes are hitting. My favorite one is Epstein

802
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:48,079
island landscaping.

803
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:54,239
Speaker 1: Really it really is, man. I told that. I told

804
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:56,360
that joke in Saint Louis and there was a lady

805
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:59,679
from about there. She got all offended. She kind of

806
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:03,320
like ah. And then after the show She's like, yeah,

807
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:06,119
you really touched them digs and mobot and I was like, well,

808
00:39:06,199 --> 00:39:07,840
you know, it's they've earned it.

809
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:08,800
Speaker 3: They didn't, you know.

810
00:39:10,519 --> 00:39:13,920
Speaker 1: No, I wasn't personal this last cruises.

811
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:16,400
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, here we go.

812
00:39:16,559 --> 00:39:21,280
Speaker 1: Those the weather in last cruises seventy seven degrees methy,

813
00:39:21,639 --> 00:39:25,000
this is another place we could sleep as well. Yeah,

814
00:39:25,039 --> 00:39:26,920
but you don't want to stay in lost cruises. I've

815
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:29,639
stayed here before. The ViBe's not right. It's not you know,

816
00:39:30,119 --> 00:39:32,559
it's not the worst. If you're gonna do lost cruses,

817
00:39:32,559 --> 00:39:34,159
at least go to the east side of a passos.

818
00:39:34,199 --> 00:39:35,960
You's don't have to drive through it. The next morning.

819
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:39,280
I'm good to go. Man, three or four hours. I mean,

820
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:40,440
we're fine, we'll make it all.

821
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:42,159
Speaker 3: He's all full of zazzle.

822
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:45,320
Speaker 1: You ever been to Valentine, Texas before. There's some freaks

823
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:47,280
that live there, like in a good way, some freaks,

824
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:47,480
you know.

825
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:51,440
Speaker 3: So I hear they're doing butt stuff out in the desk.

826
00:39:51,559 --> 00:39:54,079
Speaker 1: No, they're not doing butt stuff. They're doing fucking there.

827
00:39:54,199 --> 00:39:58,039
I don't know what they're doing. They're doing weird artsy fartsy,

828
00:39:58,519 --> 00:40:00,280
you know, they're making music and some ship I don't know,

829
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:04,679
they're being they're they're being eccentrics. Right, it's a little

830
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:08,320
a little bit better than being a stiff. But uh,

831
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:11,679
they're doing but stuff.

832
00:40:12,159 --> 00:40:12,360
Speaker 3: You know.

833
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:14,960
Speaker 1: They got these slings and ship dangling from the ceiling.

834
00:40:15,199 --> 00:40:17,800
They foot long rubber dogs. They're slapping each other around

835
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:19,960
with them. You know. They're putting them on little uh

836
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:22,079
drones and stuff, flying them around.

837
00:40:22,119 --> 00:40:25,599
Speaker 3: They got a piss fountain. I don't know why and how,

838
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:27,239
but they got a piss fountain.

839
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:29,280
Speaker 1: Speaking of which, I got another leader of green Tea

840
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:31,639
going through me. I gotta I got a.

841
00:40:31,559 --> 00:40:36,320
Speaker 3: Man, they got my, I got my unhinged, unfiltered fucking

842
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:38,960
what time is it fucking four forty in the morning.

843
00:40:39,039 --> 00:40:41,159
Speaker 1: Oh you're staying coherent. I'm impressed. Man.

844
00:40:41,199 --> 00:40:43,599
Speaker 3: If you want to go talking about fucked up ship.

845
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:46,320
Speaker 1: If if well, that's good, that's what it brings that out.

846
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:48,559
You know, get loose. If you want to go to sleep,

847
00:40:48,599 --> 00:40:50,000
I can just keep ranting.

848
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:51,800
Speaker 3: You know, I no, I bet, I don't want to

849
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:54,239
sleep through this. I want to participate.

850
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:58,000
Speaker 1: I saw a fucking coyote in La like in downtown

851
00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:00,280
and not well not downtown. It was like an hour

852
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:03,000
or two, like an hour walk north of the tar

853
00:41:03,079 --> 00:41:05,880
pits in one of the neighborhoods there, just running in

854
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:10,400
between the buildings. Man, it was crazy. The jacarandas those

855
00:41:10,519 --> 00:41:15,800
those Los Anglesh residents really love their jacaranas. But nobody

856
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:18,599
notices that they're half dead. They all look like shit

857
00:41:18,679 --> 00:41:21,000
to me. They're thinning, right, they're they're thinning up top,

858
00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:26,280
just like just like a boulding man that denis friends. Yeah, yeah,

859
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:29,239
And and nobody notices they think they're They think they

860
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:32,679
look great, right, But jacaranas are from South America. They

861
00:41:32,679 --> 00:41:36,719
get a lot more rain than than La gets. And

862
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:38,079
I don't think it. I don't think they're from a

863
00:41:38,079 --> 00:41:39,400
Mediterranean climate either.

864
00:41:41,159 --> 00:41:42,440
Speaker 3: Shut them all on fire.

865
00:41:42,599 --> 00:41:44,760
Speaker 1: You know, people don't know. They don't notice stuff, right,

866
00:41:45,079 --> 00:41:45,400
they don't.

867
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:45,880
Speaker 3: They don't know.

868
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:49,639
Speaker 1: It's so's it's supposed to be there. They're disconnected from

869
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:52,639
the land as it existed. This guy just turned his

870
00:41:52,679 --> 00:41:55,880
fucking headlights. What the fuck what is he doing? God,

871
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:59,679
these trucks are terrifying. Holy shit, Oh my god, oh

872
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:04,519
my god. Fuck good thing get smacked off the road

873
00:42:04,599 --> 00:42:07,519
by some guy with a fucking gallon jug of mountain

874
00:42:07,559 --> 00:42:10,119
dew piss in the back of his truck. I remember

875
00:42:10,199 --> 00:42:12,599
I got a ride from a trucker once. I forget

876
00:42:12,599 --> 00:42:14,440
where we were. It was like early two thousands. It

877
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:17,280
was in Indiana somewhere, and this guy had a bucket.

878
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:20,960
He literally, literally a five gallon bucket of bourn just

879
00:42:21,039 --> 00:42:24,480
porno mags. He was he's not a healthy looking man.

880
00:42:24,679 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 3: A bucket, yeah, lid no, it was, he was the bucket.

881
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:32,000
Speaker 1: It was just an open bucket, you know. So he

882
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:34,320
so he could reach back in there freely.

883
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:36,239
Speaker 3: Well he's you know, he could just grab one and

884
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:38,559
he's just grab a.

885
00:42:38,519 --> 00:42:43,360
Speaker 1: Copy of Swank and just yeah, man, you know the things.

886
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:45,840
You remember a lot of things, hipping on a rod.

887
00:42:46,159 --> 00:42:48,760
Nice guy otherwise, you know, not a creeper or anything,

888
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:49,360
but just.

889
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:52,079
Speaker 3: The just had an open bucket of porno.

890
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:55,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, bucket of porn, like not one or two mags,

891
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:56,360
but a literal bucket.

892
00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:56,679
Speaker 3: You know.

893
00:42:56,760 --> 00:43:00,960
Speaker 1: It was do a dope. Where we see the adult

894
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:06,079
bookstore in San Diego. I forget.

895
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:09,960
Speaker 3: I remember the bar next to it was called Alibi.

896
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:12,719
Speaker 1: But man, what are you doing? And it's just a

897
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:16,519
wank booth then, because everything's everything's digital porn now right, Yeah.

898
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:19,440
Speaker 3: It's for people who want the bootique experience of a

899
00:43:19,599 --> 00:43:20,000
jack of.

900
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:23,159
Speaker 1: You can get you can probably get dildos and stuff there, right, Yeah,

901
00:43:23,159 --> 00:43:27,119
it's so marital age sexual mass not like it's not

902
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:29,119
like one of the you know, because a lot of

903
00:43:29,199 --> 00:43:33,000
dildo shops and they got these like hip lesbian dildo shops.

904
00:43:33,039 --> 00:43:35,559
They're lesbian run where it's like you go in there

905
00:43:35,559 --> 00:43:37,800
and they've created a very nice it feels like a tattoob,

906
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:43,000
like a clean tattoo parlor, kind of artsy, very clean, safe.

907
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:48,039
Speaker 3: Just like Hi, my name is Don, I'm gonna sell

908
00:43:48,079 --> 00:43:50,000
you this so you could shove it up your ears,

909
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:51,440
tell your wife.

910
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:53,880
Speaker 1: This is this and that's what I got. You know,

911
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:56,760
it's a it's a it's an unsafe place. It's and

912
00:43:56,840 --> 00:44:02,800
its smells. It smells like fabuloso like body grease. What

913
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:04,440
are they selling those places? What do you go? We

914
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:06,199
should have gone in and just taking a look around

915
00:44:06,159 --> 00:44:06,960
and see what they got.

916
00:44:08,039 --> 00:44:11,679
Speaker 3: Just showing VHS. You're selling DVDs.

917
00:44:11,199 --> 00:44:16,840
Speaker 1: Las VHS tapes with the thick plastic. Remember how to

918
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:19,679
they to get that thick plastic. All the old VHS

919
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:23,039
movies used to have the thick plastic casing that opened

920
00:44:23,079 --> 00:44:27,800
like a book, the clamshll Yeah, clam clamshell, the clam

921
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:32,599
shell for the porno moves. My friend Bessie, she used

922
00:44:32,599 --> 00:44:35,679
to collect vintage porno movies. She had this one called

923
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:38,760
The Blower. It was about a guy that was a

924
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:41,039
hairdresser in New York. Need I say more? You know

925
00:44:41,079 --> 00:44:47,559
where that goes? WHOA, Okay, the gas prices have dropped significantly.

926
00:44:47,679 --> 00:44:50,079
Oh yeah, I wish you know a lot of there's

927
00:44:50,119 --> 00:44:52,280
a lot of rank ship the film in Phoenix, Man

928
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:55,599
a lot of nasty uh, a lot of nasty landscape,

929
00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:58,760
green grass. I guess you know, I didn't. I forgot

930
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:00,639
they were so close to They just got mountains to

931
00:45:00,679 --> 00:45:03,480
the north, so they've got rainfall coming off of those mountains.

932
00:45:03,519 --> 00:45:05,679
And that's where you know a lot of the uh

933
00:45:06,039 --> 00:45:09,639
because there was actually in Mesa. There were some large

934
00:45:09,679 --> 00:45:14,960
trees in you know, uh Aggie's neighborhood. But uh, you know,

935
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:18,199
it's still incredibly hot out. It was wow. Oggie did

936
00:45:18,199 --> 00:45:19,760
it real and even did a real nice job on

937
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:23,519
us backyard. They bought this dilapidated house, put tile in

938
00:45:23,559 --> 00:45:27,320
the backyard, made a little outdoor living room. You know,

939
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:31,239
plants everywhere. His brother's an artist, so they made like

940
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:37,360
a little warehouse style open warehouse. Uh you know, art

941
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:39,440
studio in the back and then he lives with his

942
00:45:39,559 --> 00:45:42,880
kids too. Is They made the house really nice, got

943
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:45,400
like exposed brick with some of the stuccoffs still on it,

944
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:47,079
and ship they were but you know they know how

945
00:45:47,119 --> 00:45:51,199
to do all that stuff. They're open floor.

946
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:53,400
Speaker 3: Plan, open staircase. Brother.

947
00:45:54,199 --> 00:45:56,960
Speaker 1: That was so nice to man for him to receive

948
00:45:57,039 --> 00:45:58,639
us at three in the morning when we got in.

949
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:01,559
You know, we did our last all nighter with the

950
00:46:01,599 --> 00:46:02,360
Dell tak off.

951
00:46:02,559 --> 00:46:05,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I don't know what. I don't know what's

952
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:09,480
going on with these you know these night drives.

953
00:46:09,639 --> 00:46:13,000
Speaker 1: You know, well it's when it's during the summer. It's

954
00:46:13,039 --> 00:46:15,199
preferable to drive at night, so you know, auto merch

955
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:17,320
doesn't bake in the back of the truck. It's easier

956
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:21,199
to less traffic. And also for me, I thought I'd

957
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:23,280
like it because I don't get distracted looking at plants.

958
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:25,239
You know, I'll take my time.

959
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:27,559
Speaker 3: Okay, there we go.

960
00:46:27,679 --> 00:46:29,360
Speaker 1: Where should we go next? What should we do a

961
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:31,320
tour at next? Where we're gonna go? We'll do like

962
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:33,400
a Faull tour. Where should we.

963
00:46:33,559 --> 00:46:38,639
Speaker 3: You're gonna go somewhere? Maybe we should go.

964
00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:43,079
Speaker 1: Northern California Northwest.

965
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:44,840
Speaker 3: We gotta do them both. We gotta figure out what

966
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:48,119
to do them both. Everybody going to Denver, right, Yeah,

967
00:46:48,119 --> 00:46:48,639
they're going to.

968
00:46:48,599 --> 00:46:51,719
Speaker 1: Denver in August. August fourteenth or fifteen, I'm gonna be speaking.

969
00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:54,119
I think I'm speaking on the fifteenth. I'm going there

970
00:46:54,159 --> 00:47:00,880
for a week and then uh yeah, then September, I'm

971
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:04,440
supposed to go to Miami for some aeroid conference. I

972
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:05,960
don't know, you know, I don't know what they want

973
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:07,920
me to do with the aeroids. You know, he's showing

974
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:09,320
pictures of wild aeroids.

975
00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:12,559
Speaker 3: Didn't have it that, you know, you know you could,

976
00:47:12,599 --> 00:47:16,199
You could always cancel stuff you don't.

977
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:17,840
Speaker 1: Want little burnt out. I want to go to fucking

978
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:20,760
Bolivia and Argentina. That's where I want to go.

979
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:23,360
Speaker 3: Get this guy down to south of RG.

980
00:47:23,559 --> 00:47:27,440
Speaker 1: I want to go see that this joint uh Cobralineus

981
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:30,519
cobra lydius species in Bolivia. Got eight too many of

982
00:47:30,519 --> 00:47:32,800
those dried mangos from Trader Joe's.

983
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:35,920
Speaker 3: But he's addicted the dried fruit back.

984
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:39,760
Speaker 1: You know, it's it's backing keeps him regular high five.

985
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:42,559
You gotta clean your tubes. Both, don't be a sick.

986
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:46,360
Speaker 3: Fuck both in bowel movement in and psychologically.

987
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:50,199
Speaker 1: Remember when we came over the mountains from San Diego

988
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:52,880
and then it got really fucking hot on the other side.

989
00:47:53,079 --> 00:47:55,559
Speaker 3: But we stopped and seeing that.

990
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:57,960
Speaker 1: That sage brush, and I picked some for you. I

991
00:47:58,039 --> 00:47:58,920
could smell it now.

992
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:01,400
Speaker 3: He picked it for me like a flower.

993
00:48:01,519 --> 00:48:04,159
Speaker 1: You go over those mountains, you go east from San Diego,

994
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:06,159
you ascend the mountains I don't even know the name

995
00:48:06,159 --> 00:48:08,159
of that mountain range I should and then you descend

996
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:13,480
into the fucking the Sonoran Desert and it's just hot

997
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:17,199
as balls. And that's when we encountered the bleakest, the

998
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:19,239
bleakest del taco I've ever been to.

999
00:48:19,679 --> 00:48:20,239
Speaker 3: Manuel.

1000
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:23,880
Speaker 1: But while we was that his name, not just assumed

1001
00:48:24,119 --> 00:48:26,239
it could be a Manuel. He looked like he could

1002
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:27,039
have been a man weel.

1003
00:48:27,159 --> 00:48:28,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, he had that energy about him.

1004
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:34,639
Speaker 1: Methie Manuel, Methi Manuel and his magic burritos. Those mountains

1005
00:48:34,639 --> 00:48:36,960
are a fucking nice though, man. There's some nice stuff

1006
00:48:37,039 --> 00:48:38,960
up there, that's all. That's so, that's where the kuma

1007
00:48:39,039 --> 00:48:42,679
Yai Reservation was. This nice Kumaya lady invader us to

1008
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:45,480
invited us to come to the reservation and then she

1009
00:48:45,599 --> 00:48:48,440
reneged that, and I thought, I think she you know,

1010
00:48:48,559 --> 00:48:51,320
people are really excited when they find find crime page

1011
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:53,559
sometimes and they look a little bit deeper and under

1012
00:48:53,679 --> 00:48:54,519
the vibes them out.

1013
00:48:54,559 --> 00:48:56,639
Speaker 3: Do you know that though white, you would she say how?

1014
00:48:56,800 --> 00:48:57,760
Speaker 1: I don't know what she said.

1015
00:48:57,800 --> 00:48:59,760
Speaker 3: I just she said maybe it's not a good time

1016
00:48:59,840 --> 00:49:00,119
or no.

1017
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:02,239
Speaker 1: She said she was busy, but I was, you know,

1018
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:07,039
it was people could be. But she invited first, She's like, oh,

1019
00:49:07,159 --> 00:49:09,320
it'd be so great to have you guys out, blah blah,

1020
00:49:09,559 --> 00:49:11,199
Oh yeah, it'd be great. You know they do they

1021
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:14,199
do burning and all kinds of cool stuff. And then

1022
00:49:14,639 --> 00:49:16,320
you know, I hit her up and say, hey, man,

1023
00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:19,400
we're in town. You know, it's still cool to come by,

1024
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:21,639
and she just, you know, she waited till the next

1025
00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:23,719
day to be like, no, I'm really busy and okay,

1026
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:24,079
all right.

1027
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:26,920
Speaker 3: Might have been a big time, might have been a

1028
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:27,559
bad time.

1029
00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:30,239
Speaker 1: Maybe the content pissed her off. You never know, you know,

1030
00:49:30,599 --> 00:49:31,960
not for everybody.

1031
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:33,840
Speaker 3: In a bad time. Might have been bad time.

1032
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:36,679
Speaker 1: Could have been it could have been but my paranoid fucking.

1033
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:38,800
Speaker 3: Delusions sometimes yeah, yeah, you know.

1034
00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:42,280
Speaker 1: So now we just we we've blazed through last Crusades.

1035
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:44,280
Now we got to go to a passover.

1036
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:46,960
Speaker 3: Hell Pass, so you know, as long as we get there,

1037
00:49:47,039 --> 00:49:50,519
you know, I wake up. I look over. Joy's over

1038
00:49:50,559 --> 00:49:54,000
here shopping on Amazon for a new collapsible dog bull

1039
00:49:54,159 --> 00:49:59,679
for Louis. He's checking his Gmail back com going ninety five.

1040
00:50:00,079 --> 00:50:02,199
It's very safely swerving.

1041
00:50:02,559 --> 00:50:03,639
Speaker 1: Nothing you're gonna hit this.

1042
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:10,039
Speaker 3: He's cranked out. He's blasting a technol. You know, you know,

1043
00:50:10,119 --> 00:50:13,039
I feel like I'm cruising Harlem with you. Guy.

1044
00:50:13,559 --> 00:50:16,079
Speaker 1: I got precious. I know, I got precious cargoing to

1045
00:50:16,159 --> 00:50:18,400
car rail. I know you can just like you sleep softly,

1046
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:22,599
you can sleep comfortably and safely. You're in good hands.

1047
00:50:22,639 --> 00:50:25,679
Speaker 3: I don't know about comfortably, but safely. I know.

1048
00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:28,599
Speaker 1: We got a lot less uh ship in the back.

1049
00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:31,440
Speaker 3: Of Oh yeah, we sold some stuff, thanks everybody.

1050
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:34,000
Speaker 1: Bunch of nice Yeah, we got a bunch of prince,

1051
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:36,000
a bunch of prints of art work. We got the

1052
00:50:36,039 --> 00:50:40,920
giving Tree, shirty, the fucking Yaka shirt and uh unauthorized

1053
00:50:41,639 --> 00:50:44,400
the apartment apartment of unauthorized for street. There were people

1054
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:45,000
into those.

1055
00:50:45,039 --> 00:50:47,760
Speaker 3: That was their favorite one apartment. Yeah. They like the green,

1056
00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:50,920
they liked the bird. We didn't run out of any

1057
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:52,079
sizes almost.

1058
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:54,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh, I have plenty of ship.

1059
00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:58,519
Speaker 3: The self generous generous pre order.

1060
00:51:00,119 --> 00:51:02,840
Speaker 1: Was to go to Kuloe and uh and uh we

1061
00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:04,480
should book a Chicago show and.

1062
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:07,599
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I'll I'll do that. I'll do that. Well,

1063
00:51:07,679 --> 00:51:09,079
we've got some nice shroom.

1064
00:51:09,199 --> 00:51:09,880
Speaker 1: Find a spot.

1065
00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:13,679
Speaker 3: I'll find a spot. You know. We'll take you out

1066
00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:17,920
to the Cook County Forest Preserve. We'll show you a stash,

1067
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:21,760
a bum porn, we'll we'll show you the empty duster cans.

1068
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:25,440
Speaker 1: They really need to icp They got to burn.

1069
00:51:25,199 --> 00:51:27,800
Speaker 3: Woods and stuff. Yeah, we should go set the woods

1070
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:29,360
on fire.

1071
00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:31,440
Speaker 1: Could we could? We could? You know, we could make

1072
00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:32,079
it look like an.

1073
00:51:32,079 --> 00:51:37,079
Speaker 3: Accident, something about making it look like an accident.

1074
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:39,679
Speaker 1: Because there's ticks and all those fucking they're all fucked.

1075
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:43,400
They're as.

1076
00:51:43,599 --> 00:51:46,760
Speaker 3: Buck thorn and ticks that should be the Illinois state flag.

1077
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:50,960
Speaker 1: There's stuff, but they're afraid to burn. They just don't masticate,

1078
00:51:51,039 --> 00:51:54,960
but they won't burn. It's a shame because we had

1079
00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:57,000
this techno going. The last week we had his house,

1080
00:51:57,039 --> 00:52:02,800
Tony's house. Drinks. I only drive through less Crusad night. Brother. Hello,

1081
00:52:03,519 --> 00:52:05,639
you know this is one little drunks are maybe maybe

1082
00:52:05,679 --> 00:52:07,719
not drunks. There's not gonna be drunks out of four

1083
00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:08,199
in the morning.

1084
00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:09,400
Speaker 3: Fucking less Crusades.

1085
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:13,639
Speaker 1: They got a real nice public bathroom over here, this

1086
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:18,159
rest stop between Alpasso and uh Less Crusades. But anyway,

1087
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:21,320
so we were this morning, we woke up and we

1088
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:23,920
were talking with Augie. He works for a nonprofit that

1089
00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:28,039
does a lot of like community work in Mesa and

1090
00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:30,880
uh and he's reel up to date on Mexican politics,

1091
00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:32,280
and he was telling us about all the shit going

1092
00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:33,639
on on there. I don't know if you know, it's

1093
00:52:33,639 --> 00:52:37,159
been underreported in the news, but basically the CIA has

1094
00:52:37,199 --> 00:52:39,639
been working with I think it was the state of Chihuahua,

1095
00:52:40,599 --> 00:52:44,039
you know, going around Claudia Schinbaum, you know who I

1096
00:52:44,119 --> 00:52:46,119
hear good things about. I mean she did, Lady just

1097
00:52:46,119 --> 00:52:49,480
put in a fucking universal healthcare system. She created a

1098
00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:54,360
pension uh system for Mexicans like for you know, they're

1099
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:56,719
trying to get people to come back to Mexico too,

1100
00:52:56,800 --> 00:52:59,960
like who came to the United States, like especially if

1101
00:53:00,039 --> 00:53:04,119
they're not documented, because basically, you know, her whole thing

1102
00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:06,360
or what she's saying, but I think it is being

1103
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:09,719
being said, is you know, like they don't. They're Trump

1104
00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:15,440
doesn't even care really about about the legal status, right

1105
00:53:15,519 --> 00:53:17,920
because like they know the economy would collapse if they

1106
00:53:18,119 --> 00:53:21,360
got rid of all these you know, undocumented migrants that

1107
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:24,079
they can exploit for cheap wages. They just know it's

1108
00:53:24,079 --> 00:53:27,440
a wedge issue to get all the you know, the

1109
00:53:27,639 --> 00:53:34,000
uh somewhat xenophobic base worked up. You know, the Republican voting.

1110
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:36,840
Speaker 3: Illgals are taking out Walmart greater job.

1111
00:53:36,719 --> 00:53:39,840
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, exactly, see, and so and it's a nice

1112
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:42,559
distraction from the issues that really matter, right, just like

1113
00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:45,079
all the other shit, like the left has its own

1114
00:53:45,719 --> 00:53:48,519
version of you know, identity politics, issues that distract from

1115
00:53:48,519 --> 00:53:49,079
what really.

1116
00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:53,000
Speaker 3: Matters millionaires and billionaires and so. So.

1117
00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:55,559
Speaker 1: Uh, that was a good That was actually a really

1118
00:53:55,599 --> 00:53:56,599
good Bernie impression.

1119
00:53:56,719 --> 00:53:58,719
Speaker 3: Thanks, say, I got a pretty good Bernie.

1120
00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:01,639
Speaker 1: What was the LEO and pro we were doing? What

1121
00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:05,280
was Oh, it sounds like sounds like an LSD deficiency.

1122
00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:12,079
Speaker 3: I'm just I'm just a gun dumping, Bible smoking hippie man.

1123
00:54:12,199 --> 00:54:14,639
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm just a gun gun throup, a Bible

1124
00:54:14,639 --> 00:54:16,199
smoking Mexican hippie man.

1125
00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:18,519
Speaker 3: God blessed.

1126
00:54:18,639 --> 00:54:22,559
Speaker 1: But anyway, so, uh, but yeah, so I guess the

1127
00:54:22,639 --> 00:54:24,760
CIA has been going to They're not happy about what

1128
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:28,039
she's doing because this is like leaning towards socialism, right.

1129
00:54:28,199 --> 00:54:31,280
Nothing terrifies the American ruling class more than that word.

1130
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:36,000
And so the CIA was going into uh Chihuahua. They

1131
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:39,719
said it was for some cartel shit. Probably not, maybe

1132
00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:45,400
it was, I don't know, but it's pre It's always

1133
00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:47,920
the car. They always do it, you know, the auspices

1134
00:54:47,960 --> 00:54:50,199
of crime. But it seems like what they might have

1135
00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:53,760
been doing is just trying to you know, basically a

1136
00:54:54,920 --> 00:55:00,280
basically create like the the the what a the word

1137
00:55:00,320 --> 00:55:04,119
I'm looking for the pretense for a coup to trying

1138
00:55:04,119 --> 00:55:09,000
to like create unrest against Shinbaum, et cetera in Mexico, right,

1139
00:55:09,039 --> 00:55:12,920
and it certainly wouldn't be breaking with much of the

1140
00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:17,760
history of the United States or you know, that's CIA.

1141
00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:22,920
I've been doing this ship for sixty seventy years, dirty shit,

1142
00:55:23,039 --> 00:55:27,920
interfering in other countries, autonomous affairs.

1143
00:55:28,079 --> 00:55:31,960
Speaker 3: You know, if our handlers at the intelligence agencies here

1144
00:55:32,039 --> 00:55:36,400
this sorry guys, you know where we stand. We're still

1145
00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:37,719
sending you guys at Christmas.

1146
00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:39,840
Speaker 1: But anyway, if you follow that guy, if you want

1147
00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:42,280
to look learn more, look up that guy J. C. Frees,

1148
00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:44,159
he's I think he's out of a Rio Grand Valley,

1149
00:55:44,840 --> 00:55:46,880
but he posts a lot of shit about this stuff,

1150
00:55:47,639 --> 00:55:50,599
and uh, it's fucking dirty. It's dirty, man, It's whatever

1151
00:55:50,639 --> 00:55:52,440
the US is doing down there, especially if it's the

1152
00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:55,960
Trump administration mood. It's fucking dirty whatever they're doing down

1153
00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:59,119
in Mexico. Right, I guess there was worse. You know,

1154
00:55:59,239 --> 00:56:02,119
you always hear me at about the ahiito system and

1155
00:56:02,159 --> 00:56:04,239
how that's the reason why there's actually still a lot

1156
00:56:04,239 --> 00:56:07,159
of land left that's not turned into a fucking dump

1157
00:56:07,239 --> 00:56:09,960
like you know, most of the land anywhere there's a

1158
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:13,320
heavy populace in the United States, Right, we do urban

1159
00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:16,920
sprawl like no other. Okay, we've absolutely destroyed most of

1160
00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:20,920
the land that's not public. And then they're actually coming

1161
00:56:20,960 --> 00:56:23,480
for the public land too, of course, that's their big thing,

1162
00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:26,239
the right way. The Republicans are already trying to do that.

1163
00:56:26,519 --> 00:56:28,920
I'm sure that Democrats would to at some point. Maybe

1164
00:56:29,119 --> 00:56:33,920
maybe they're not asporny for it, but Republicans really want

1165
00:56:33,960 --> 00:56:38,599
to take up the public land and privatize it so

1166
00:56:38,639 --> 00:56:41,079
they can extract more from it. Right, They got like

1167
00:56:41,119 --> 00:56:45,800
a cash into chips, loot everything mindset right right now,

1168
00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:47,599
at least because they know it's all they know the

1169
00:56:47,599 --> 00:56:52,480
empires in decline. And so anyway, the Ahito system, I

1170
00:56:52,519 --> 00:56:55,440
guess there were some weird, finicky shit going on where

1171
00:56:55,800 --> 00:56:59,679
like some corporate interests or I think it was the

1172
00:56:59,679 --> 00:57:02,639
the the one of the other political parties in Mexico

1173
00:57:02,679 --> 00:57:06,280
that's more right, leading was trying to interfere and basically

1174
00:57:06,360 --> 00:57:12,320
get the you know, find a way to circumvent the

1175
00:57:12,360 --> 00:57:16,440
collective ownership of the Ahito system so they could get

1176
00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:20,519
the land sold off to private parties and then find

1177
00:57:20,559 --> 00:57:23,440
a way to take it over and and and then

1178
00:57:23,519 --> 00:57:25,719
end up developing it too. So they're coming for the

1179
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:30,880
fucking land. And I guess, uh, Shinebaum and Amlo just

1180
00:57:31,039 --> 00:57:34,320
the and this is what Augie was telling me, and

1181
00:57:34,360 --> 00:57:36,760
based on someone what I've read too. They just basically

1182
00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:39,480
there were there were some contracts that had gone through

1183
00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:46,480
that were shady as hell that the goal was to

1184
00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:51,199
to base basically yeah again, you know, go around the

1185
00:57:51,199 --> 00:57:55,480
Ahito system and privatize some of that land. And uh

1186
00:57:55,519 --> 00:57:58,800
and they basically you know, caught them doing it and

1187
00:57:58,880 --> 00:58:01,360
said in these contracts are null and void. Now this

1188
00:58:01,480 --> 00:58:05,480
is illegal. I'm butchering the ship out of this. But

1189
00:58:05,679 --> 00:58:08,480
it sounds like there's some shady shit going on, and

1190
00:58:08,519 --> 00:58:11,800
it's a it's a Meanwhile, Shinebaum's going like the complete

1191
00:58:11,800 --> 00:58:15,519
opposite direction that the US is right, public health care, pensions.

1192
00:58:15,519 --> 00:58:17,360
He's trying to actually get shit done.

1193
00:58:17,519 --> 00:58:19,599
Speaker 3: They're doing all kinds of stuff.

1194
00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:26,760
Speaker 1: For the people, you know, but uh, Americans, America's not

1195
00:58:26,840 --> 00:58:27,880
going to any place good.

1196
00:58:27,960 --> 00:58:30,840
Speaker 3: They're not getting any We're not getting any more stuff here.

1197
00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:33,280
Speaker 1: You want to you want to make the news digestible,

1198
00:58:33,280 --> 00:58:35,559
listen to it through Tim Dill. I like him despite

1199
00:58:35,599 --> 00:58:38,400
the fact he's had some goofy bullshit in the past,

1200
00:58:38,440 --> 00:58:40,679
you know, having fucking JD Vans on a podcast with

1201
00:58:40,719 --> 00:58:43,360
a misstep critical miss. I don't know what that was about.

1202
00:58:43,360 --> 00:58:46,039
But he's got some he's got some very good takes,

1203
00:58:46,039 --> 00:58:48,519
and they're you know, especially the ross. Satire makes it

1204
00:58:48,840 --> 00:58:52,760
very digestible, very easy to digest terrible things when it's

1205
00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:55,760
put put to you in that form. I think satire

1206
00:58:55,840 --> 00:58:59,239
is the only the only way that I can swallow

1207
00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:01,599
a lot of this stuff. Now, look, it's the Franklin Mountains,

1208
00:59:02,360 --> 00:59:04,800
Oh ship, that might be the sun. There's sunlight over

1209
00:59:04,800 --> 00:59:07,880
there too. Is is that the dawn light? I don't know,

1210
00:59:08,519 --> 00:59:09,519
God damn it. Fuck.

1211
00:59:09,719 --> 00:59:11,360
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, here comes the dawn.

1212
00:59:11,840 --> 00:59:14,559
Speaker 1: We're gonna be going through Sierra Blanca like six in

1213
00:59:14,599 --> 00:59:15,000
the morning.

1214
00:59:15,119 --> 00:59:17,440
Speaker 3: The moon is very bright tonight too.

1215
00:59:17,599 --> 00:59:22,639
Speaker 1: The Sierra Blanca checkpoint. Oh yeahs are you both citizens?

1216
00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:24,920
Speaker 3: Are you both citizens? Yes? Brother?

1217
00:59:26,599 --> 00:59:32,320
Speaker 1: With my with my my twitching lazy eye is brother?

1218
00:59:32,519 --> 00:59:33,679
Speaker 3: Weird citizens?

1219
00:59:33,800 --> 00:59:34,119
Speaker 4: Brother?

1220
00:59:34,280 --> 00:59:37,920
Speaker 3: Have you ever seen the dolls of dune Mere brother?

1221
00:59:38,920 --> 00:59:42,000
The sweet names of Dungee Mere Brother?

1222
00:59:43,079 --> 00:59:47,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's here. Phoenix and Tucson Night and Day had

1223
00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:49,960
the gut right, and the guy.

1224
00:59:50,280 --> 00:59:56,360
Speaker 3: One's a small hippie burgh filled with progressive politics O ones.

1225
00:59:56,320 --> 00:59:59,760
Speaker 1: In Phoenix plant life too, Yeah, and then a lamp

1226
01:00:00,079 --> 01:00:05,639
Lance and then Phoenix is just like stuff phen with

1227
01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:08,119
ten lane roads and no trees.

1228
01:00:07,840 --> 01:00:09,360
Speaker 3: A bunch of fucking palm trees.

1229
01:00:09,400 --> 01:00:11,480
Speaker 1: They love the palm trees and they hate the they

1230
01:00:11,480 --> 01:00:16,119
hate like actual trees, like any of the Pallo brea, Parkinsonia,

1231
01:00:16,159 --> 01:00:19,039
pray cocks or miscuits or any of that. There's none

1232
01:00:19,039 --> 01:00:21,440
of that. There's very very little, a lot of stuff.

1233
01:00:21,440 --> 01:00:24,599
Giant fucking heat island. Can you imagine living in Phoenix,

1234
01:00:25,199 --> 01:00:28,719
Jesus imagine fifteen yeah. Imagine you're like a gamer that

1235
01:00:28,800 --> 01:00:32,159
lives in Phoenix. You're a gamer and you occasionally go

1236
01:00:32,239 --> 01:00:33,559
to the gym to lift weights.

1237
01:00:33,679 --> 01:00:35,880
Speaker 3: All you do is, all you do is eat funion,

1238
01:00:35,960 --> 01:00:37,239
some jacket.

1239
01:00:37,039 --> 01:00:39,119
Speaker 1: And you work in a Where would you work if.

1240
01:00:39,039 --> 01:00:41,920
Speaker 3: You lived in a Phoenix, Like you're working at a

1241
01:00:41,920 --> 01:00:42,639
call center?

1242
01:00:43,079 --> 01:00:44,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, call center.

1243
01:00:44,119 --> 01:00:46,320
Speaker 3: Work at a call center in Phoenix.

1244
01:00:46,719 --> 01:00:48,039
Speaker 1: I'd be on fucking pills.

1245
01:00:48,039 --> 01:00:53,679
Speaker 3: Probably chant the life you don't want. I work at

1246
01:00:53,719 --> 01:00:57,039
a call center and I live in Phoenix, Arizona.

1247
01:00:57,400 --> 01:01:01,440
Speaker 1: Uh, the Franklin Mountains and go look for Sylvia pinguinfolio.

1248
01:01:02,559 --> 01:01:06,079
Speaker 3: There's records there is that the Is that the one

1249
01:01:06,119 --> 01:01:08,480
that makes you trip? Dude? No?

1250
01:01:08,559 --> 01:01:10,360
Speaker 1: Man, there's like eight hundred species of selva?

1251
01:01:10,519 --> 01:01:17,000
Speaker 3: Hell yeah, dude, you know Hell yeah, dude, you're pulling dogs,

1252
01:01:16,719 --> 01:01:18,880
right sel Via di bro.

1253
01:01:19,480 --> 01:01:23,760
Speaker 1: There's grow in the comments you mentioned species.

1254
01:01:23,559 --> 01:01:30,840
Speaker 3: Like yo yo bro. I had like a whole trip. See.

1255
01:01:30,880 --> 01:01:32,519
Speaker 1: Now we're going into a passa. Look at all this,

1256
01:01:32,679 --> 01:01:36,840
Look at all these lights. See aren't you glad we're

1257
01:01:36,880 --> 01:01:38,519
going through this when it's dark? You don't want to

1258
01:01:38,559 --> 01:01:40,079
see how pass in a daytime?

1259
01:01:41,559 --> 01:01:45,119
Speaker 3: You know, I'm glad there's no traffic, But I am.

1260
01:01:45,599 --> 01:01:47,719
I am physically exhausted.

1261
01:01:49,000 --> 01:01:51,519
Speaker 1: You're gonna sleep good when we get back to Dale.

1262
01:01:51,519 --> 01:01:55,159
Speaker 3: I don't know if that's true. And in the bright daylight, you.

1263
01:01:55,159 --> 01:01:57,360
Speaker 1: Gotta get an. I got an. I'm asking tomorrow. You

1264
01:01:57,440 --> 01:01:58,519
ever do an im asking?

1265
01:01:59,000 --> 01:02:02,440
Speaker 3: You know, only for puffiness? You know I do a

1266
01:02:02,519 --> 01:02:05,400
cosmetic one, but I never did one for sleep.

1267
01:02:05,480 --> 01:02:08,639
Speaker 1: God, puffs, what do you get? What's your what's it puffy?

1268
01:02:08,679 --> 01:02:10,119
But you have allergic reactions?

1269
01:02:10,119 --> 01:02:13,880
Speaker 3: No? No, you know, just tiredness, fatigue. You know, you

1270
01:02:14,000 --> 01:02:18,599
do a little eye mask, calms down the bags under.

1271
01:02:18,400 --> 01:02:20,599
Speaker 1: Your Eysautiful Sierra Blanca brother.

1272
01:02:21,119 --> 01:02:23,480
Speaker 3: Welcome to the duns Miry.

1273
01:02:23,840 --> 01:02:27,079
Speaker 1: Throw off the sunset route and Seerra Blanc of Texas.

1274
01:02:27,239 --> 01:02:30,960
Speaker 3: I had to walk fifteen miles with my dog Rupert.

1275
01:02:31,360 --> 01:02:33,239
Speaker 1: Are you gonna lurk an out by for a while?

1276
01:02:33,239 --> 01:02:33,400
Speaker 3: All?

1277
01:02:33,440 --> 01:02:35,119
Speaker 1: Are you gonna drive back to Chicago?

1278
01:02:35,360 --> 01:02:39,840
Speaker 3: Well, you know, as soon as I'm recuperated enough to drive.

1279
01:02:40,480 --> 01:02:44,360
Speaker 1: There's gonna be you're gonna get back on the road.

1280
01:02:44,719 --> 01:02:47,840
Speaker 3: Is that the Chicago from about twenty hours?

1281
01:02:47,880 --> 01:02:49,719
Speaker 1: You're gonna go through what do you go through? Tulsa

1282
01:02:49,760 --> 01:02:50,639
and Oklahoma City?

1283
01:02:50,719 --> 01:02:55,039
Speaker 3: Go to touls go through Whichita? Falls, go through Saint.

1284
01:02:54,880 --> 01:02:57,119
Speaker 1: Louis Wichita Falls.

1285
01:02:57,199 --> 01:03:02,480
Speaker 3: Is that Texas, Texas? That's the Texas town right before

1286
01:03:02,519 --> 01:03:03,840
you go to Tulsa.

1287
01:03:03,960 --> 01:03:06,400
Speaker 1: And then's where Martin Terry's daughter ship the month.

1288
01:03:06,880 --> 01:03:08,519
Speaker 3: Then you know who's in.

1289
01:03:08,960 --> 01:03:14,039
Speaker 1: Martin my friend of mine, a famous peote researcher.

1290
01:03:14,199 --> 01:03:19,239
Speaker 3: Have you ever shipped the bid until sa? Brother? Have

1291
01:03:19,360 --> 01:03:22,519
you ever one down between the sheets?

1292
01:03:22,679 --> 01:03:24,360
Speaker 1: I don't think I have, Well, I don't think I've

1293
01:03:24,360 --> 01:03:26,440
been to tols I have I've been to Tolsa. I can't remember.

1294
01:03:27,360 --> 01:03:29,239
I got you know, I got some plant or fasciata

1295
01:03:29,440 --> 01:03:30,159
and I gotta stretch.

1296
01:03:30,199 --> 01:03:31,840
Speaker 3: You gotta stop at this guy.

1297
01:03:32,239 --> 01:03:34,119
Speaker 1: Go stop in a parking lot of a Flying Jane

1298
01:03:34,199 --> 01:03:37,519
do downward dog? Right where where all the truckers fits

1299
01:03:37,559 --> 01:03:41,719
on the pavement? Could you believe that that's what they do?

1300
01:03:41,800 --> 01:03:45,199
They piss on the pavement, Oh, a lot of truckers

1301
01:03:45,239 --> 01:03:48,079
do You should piss on the soil so that it

1302
01:03:48,079 --> 01:03:49,880
could be absorbed by the plants and it's not going

1303
01:03:49,960 --> 01:03:51,159
to get all filthy thirties.

1304
01:03:51,400 --> 01:03:54,920
Speaker 3: I'm a PhD candidate. In my field of study is

1305
01:03:54,960 --> 01:03:57,920
the pissing abbots of truckers.

1306
01:03:57,440 --> 01:04:00,199
Speaker 1: And mountain dew. The mountain dew and the kid it's

1307
01:04:00,239 --> 01:04:04,079
the effects of the effects a mountain doing the kidney's

1308
01:04:04,880 --> 01:04:10,840
instant diabetes. We're we're just degrading now, the conversation's degrading.

1309
01:04:10,880 --> 01:04:13,840
Speaker 3: We're you know, it's criogenically frozen.

1310
01:04:13,559 --> 01:04:15,119
Speaker 1: Early hours into the morning.

1311
01:04:16,639 --> 01:04:20,880
Speaker 3: You know, I'm glad, I'm glad we got this stop?

1312
01:04:21,239 --> 01:04:23,960
Speaker 1: Did it just say? Beaumont? Eight hundred and fifty miles

1313
01:04:24,000 --> 01:04:27,599
the bump? Well, the that's a fucking brilliant look of that. Bam,

1314
01:04:27,920 --> 01:04:30,440
that's a random town to put on a road sign

1315
01:04:30,440 --> 01:04:31,159
and a passa.

1316
01:04:31,519 --> 01:04:34,880
Speaker 3: Let you know, brother, just give you a perspective, brother.

1317
01:04:36,599 --> 01:04:40,199
Speaker 1: Leub Levins, I don't know who this is. I don't

1318
01:04:40,239 --> 01:04:43,280
know what she's supposed to be doing. This is uh,

1319
01:04:43,639 --> 01:04:46,440
what's up? A listen to the fucking supposed to be

1320
01:04:46,559 --> 01:04:48,760
outlaw countries? She don't sound to like too much of

1321
01:04:48,760 --> 01:04:54,559
an outlock right al dip that we part of ways

1322
01:04:54,599 --> 01:04:57,400
Today I'm driving through the limestone maces of West Texas,

1323
01:04:58,360 --> 01:05:01,840
headed back to the south to South Texas, so I

1324
01:05:01,880 --> 01:05:05,440
can you know, experience the pleasure of seventy five percent

1325
01:05:05,480 --> 01:05:08,599
humidity Again, speaking of humidity, I just spilled half a

1326
01:05:08,599 --> 01:05:12,400
bottle of Minaragua in my crotch, which is good. That's nice. Great.

1327
01:05:12,440 --> 01:05:14,599
I was open. I could find the way to make myself.

1328
01:05:14,679 --> 01:05:18,159
Uh you know, get a fucking make it feel like

1329
01:05:18,199 --> 01:05:21,199
I'm sitting in a wet satchel for the next eight

1330
01:05:21,239 --> 01:05:26,119
hours on this drive. You know it's ah. These remnants

1331
01:05:26,159 --> 01:05:30,960
of the western interior seaway though. I tell you, the

1332
01:05:31,039 --> 01:05:34,440
landscape changes. You get a little bit of undulation. Get

1333
01:05:34,440 --> 01:05:38,000
these the limestone maces everywhere. You could see the triations

1334
01:05:38,000 --> 01:05:40,599
in them. You could see that rock from a mile

1335
01:05:40,639 --> 01:05:42,519
away and know it it's made out of limestone.

1336
01:05:42,599 --> 01:05:42,760
Speaker 3: Right.

1337
01:05:42,800 --> 01:05:45,800
Speaker 1: You got those those betting planes that made it, made

1338
01:05:45,800 --> 01:05:47,280
them like little staircases.

1339
01:05:47,639 --> 01:05:48,239
Speaker 3: So nice.

1340
01:05:50,199 --> 01:05:52,519
Speaker 1: I just passed the spot where I saw that the

1341
01:05:53,039 --> 01:05:56,679
desert box tortoise or that desert box turtle, excuse me

1342
01:05:58,679 --> 01:06:03,119
two weeks ago. So anyway, that's so nice being out

1343
01:06:03,119 --> 01:06:08,119
west where there's public land. But now we're returning to

1344
01:06:08,639 --> 01:06:13,840
South Texas. We continue the fight to convince the city

1345
01:06:14,239 --> 01:06:19,039
and municipalities down there, like Mission Texas, McCallen, et cetera.

1346
01:06:19,199 --> 01:06:22,880
The trees are in fact good, and covering the asphalt

1347
01:06:22,920 --> 01:06:27,519
and concrete with shade is also good. And that asphalt

1348
01:06:27,519 --> 01:06:31,599
and concrete are in fact not very clean, even though

1349
01:06:31,639 --> 01:06:36,159
they look clean, and that plants are not messy, and

1350
01:06:36,159 --> 01:06:39,639
I it's like trying to reverse and doctrinate people from

1351
01:06:40,199 --> 01:06:42,960
you know, the classest fear of native plants because they

1352
01:06:43,000 --> 01:06:47,159
remind you of the rancho. It's fucking you know, I

1353
01:06:47,199 --> 01:06:49,599
think that's it's it's a there's a multitude of factors

1354
01:06:49,639 --> 01:06:52,199
affecting the hatred of native plants in South Texas, but

1355
01:06:52,800 --> 01:06:55,639
you know, reminiscent making it feel like too much like

1356
01:06:55,679 --> 01:06:59,920
the rancho, you know, and and associating with poor stat

1357
01:07:00,119 --> 01:07:02,440
is a big part of it. That's a that's a

1358
01:07:02,480 --> 01:07:04,519
part of a lot of a lot of Mexican culture.

1359
01:07:04,559 --> 01:07:06,679
It seems, oh fuck, the cast de laya is going

1360
01:07:06,760 --> 01:07:09,880
off right, depending on where you are, at least in

1361
01:07:09,920 --> 01:07:14,000
the north, the north of Mexico, by the border lands

1362
01:07:14,039 --> 01:07:17,679
where I live, right depends how much of the you know,

1363
01:07:17,920 --> 01:07:21,920
the actual indigenous cultures left and uh, you know wherever

1364
01:07:22,280 --> 01:07:26,639
wherever said issue is taking place, right there's it seems

1365
01:07:26,639 --> 01:07:28,559
like there's not a lot left, and much of the

1366
01:07:28,599 --> 01:07:32,159
north they really want the Spanish colonial style garbage, the

1367
01:07:32,239 --> 01:07:34,800
fucking neat and orderly gardens with the boogain vas and

1368
01:07:34,800 --> 01:07:38,400
the crape myrtles and all that. You know, the suicide landscaping.

1369
01:07:38,440 --> 01:07:42,559
I call it suicide landscaping because it's ecological suicide. The

1370
01:07:42,559 --> 01:07:44,320
plant it, and then it kind of makes you feel

1371
01:07:44,320 --> 01:07:47,440
like committing suicide when you're surrounded by it. That's what

1372
01:07:47,559 --> 01:07:50,559
I feel like in much of the human landscape in

1373
01:07:50,639 --> 01:07:53,320
South Texas. This caste laya that's going off on a

1374
01:07:53,400 --> 01:07:55,840
side of the road, I said, wow, I forget what

1375
01:07:56,000 --> 01:07:57,760
species I think is at Lenana. I have to look

1376
01:07:57,800 --> 01:08:00,440
it up again. I forget. It's been fucking you know,

1377
01:08:00,440 --> 01:08:02,079
I don't see these things for a year. I forget

1378
01:08:02,079 --> 01:08:04,280
the species name. And then in between that time, I've

1379
01:08:04,320 --> 01:08:08,280
seen like fifteen other species of caste lea, uh, you know,

1380
01:08:08,360 --> 01:08:13,159
all all throughout the continents. So Sapendis tramundia is going

1381
01:08:13,239 --> 01:08:16,880
off everywhere. That's a nice one. The soapberry, and I

1382
01:08:17,000 --> 01:08:22,279
plan on stopping up here near near the spot where

1383
01:08:22,279 --> 01:08:25,119
I guess there's a roadside spot where there's Mexican red

1384
01:08:25,159 --> 01:08:26,680
butts going off too. I want to see if I

1385
01:08:26,680 --> 01:08:32,159
can get some seed. I just visited my friend's house,

1386
01:08:32,239 --> 01:08:37,479
the late Patty Manning. I stopped by and seen her,

1387
01:08:37,840 --> 01:08:41,239
her wife and got up, picked up a bunch of

1388
01:08:41,319 --> 01:08:44,079
seeds and there, you know, their yard is like a

1389
01:08:44,720 --> 01:08:49,640
fucking botanic garden onto itself, just an incredible She had

1390
01:08:49,680 --> 01:08:51,720
a bunch of zenni, a grand to flora going off. God,

1391
01:08:51,800 --> 01:08:56,520
these fucking maces, these these pillars of rock, these pillars

1392
01:08:56,560 --> 01:09:01,560
of lithified calcareous ooz. Oh so nice to see this landscape.

1393
01:09:01,600 --> 01:09:03,520
It's just so it's nice to see it's so green

1394
01:09:04,239 --> 01:09:07,920
instead of crispy and dry. You know, it's always so

1395
01:09:08,079 --> 01:09:12,319
hard leaving West Texas for South Texas, it really is.

1396
01:09:12,640 --> 01:09:13,960
Or even you know, even if you got to go

1397
01:09:14,000 --> 01:09:16,439
up through Central Texas just where all the development is

1398
01:09:17,359 --> 01:09:20,479
and in humidity. It was so nice to be out

1399
01:09:20,520 --> 01:09:25,640
of that humidity, right, the Phoenix style heat, it's almost

1400
01:09:25,720 --> 01:09:29,680
tolerable when you're not just perpetually sweating all the time,

1401
01:09:29,840 --> 01:09:33,000
or like when the sweat is actually cooling you, right,

1402
01:09:33,479 --> 01:09:36,000
because it's the sweat doesn't cool you when it's seventy

1403
01:09:36,039 --> 01:09:41,600
five percent humidity out. Oh god, I gotta go back,

1404
01:09:41,920 --> 01:09:45,159
get back to fucking I forget fall out of shape.

1405
01:09:45,159 --> 01:09:46,840
You go on tour, you fall out of shape. You

1406
01:09:46,920 --> 01:09:51,000
gotta go back. I got the the the ten dollars

1407
01:09:51,079 --> 01:09:54,520
membership at the gym because it's too hot and nasty

1408
01:09:54,600 --> 01:09:57,920
to go outside, you know, even like biking. I mean

1409
01:09:57,960 --> 01:10:00,560
you can, you could like bike or run in the

1410
01:10:00,640 --> 01:10:02,880
early morning hours, but it's still just the same thing.

1411
01:10:03,000 --> 01:10:06,039
It's just like sweat bath. It's gross and the sweat

1412
01:10:06,079 --> 01:10:08,520
doesn't evaporate. So I gotta go back to the gym.

1413
01:10:08,640 --> 01:10:11,039
You know, hit the rowing machine, listen to the bad music.

1414
01:10:11,560 --> 01:10:16,039
Here to meatheads, grunting, dropping weights and shit, you know,

1415
01:10:16,159 --> 01:10:18,399
people checking each other out. It's like a cruising bottle.

1416
01:10:18,439 --> 01:10:20,279
I'm convinced half the people that go to the gym

1417
01:10:20,680 --> 01:10:22,640
aren't even going there to really do anything. They're just

1418
01:10:22,680 --> 01:10:25,239
going there to cruise and look good. They look they're

1419
01:10:25,239 --> 01:10:27,199
like looking at themselves in a mirror lot. That's that's

1420
01:10:27,239 --> 01:10:33,720
what they anyway. Yeah, so this will be a fucking

1421
01:10:33,840 --> 01:10:38,680
nice A nice drive, A nice drive. If I cannot stop,

1422
01:10:38,760 --> 01:10:43,199
that's always the issue. Try not to stop nine thousand times,

1423
01:10:43,600 --> 01:10:47,159
you know, to look at all the cool stuff, which

1424
01:10:47,199 --> 01:10:52,000
it's you know, if you're traveling for that, it's one thing.

1425
01:10:52,119 --> 01:10:53,880
Stop all the time. But I got shit, I gotta

1426
01:10:53,920 --> 01:10:55,960
do in place to be in. I haven't seen my

1427
01:10:56,039 --> 01:10:59,720
kid in two weeks so Sanderson, twenty miles.

1428
01:10:59,479 --> 01:10:59,880
Speaker 3: Here we go.

1429
01:11:00,000 --> 01:11:03,159
Speaker 1: Oh, we'll stop there, get up some fill up on

1430
01:11:03,319 --> 01:11:06,760
some gas and then uh and then continue burreling south

1431
01:11:07,520 --> 01:11:11,039
from the transition of the arid parts of North America

1432
01:11:11,199 --> 01:11:13,439
to the humid parts of North America right there on

1433
01:11:13,520 --> 01:11:18,479
the hundredth meridian. I just stated at Taco pee in

1434
01:11:18,720 --> 01:11:24,239
uh Kotula, Kotula, Texas, I just say, it's weird, man,

1435
01:11:24,319 --> 01:11:28,039
you enter. I just entered. I went to the Taco

1436
01:11:28,119 --> 01:11:30,600
Pee in Kotula. There's all these tejanos, and I felt

1437
01:11:30,640 --> 01:11:33,199
bad for these guys because it brought me back to

1438
01:11:33,319 --> 01:11:38,439
the culture of South Texas, the culture of repression and

1439
01:11:38,640 --> 01:11:41,560
fucking you know. It's it's sad man, because I've been

1440
01:11:41,560 --> 01:11:43,119
I've been out of I've been out of state for

1441
01:11:43,199 --> 01:11:45,720
a while. Now I'm back in here, back to where

1442
01:11:45,760 --> 01:11:48,920
I live, you know, and you're back to like the repressed,

1443
01:11:49,039 --> 01:11:53,520
colonized mind almost liked nice you know, not everybody, of course,

1444
01:11:53,560 --> 01:11:57,039
but I'm saying, you know, it's it's a it's a thing.

1445
01:11:57,439 --> 01:12:01,199
You see, these these poor working class dudes, they're getting

1446
01:12:01,239 --> 01:12:04,800
fucking used by the system. They don't know what they're

1447
01:12:04,960 --> 01:12:08,560
being propagandized to vote against their own interests. All the

1448
01:12:08,640 --> 01:12:11,760
machi's most shit down here too, you know, like it

1449
01:12:12,159 --> 01:12:15,600
just this fucked A friend of mine told me a

1450
01:12:15,760 --> 01:12:18,960
story about some uh I was talking to a friend.

1451
01:12:19,000 --> 01:12:20,600
She was like, yeah, one of my friends was like that,

1452
01:12:20,760 --> 01:12:23,079
like grew up like heavily, you know, wanted to be macho.

1453
01:12:23,720 --> 01:12:27,399
All this, you know, not true masculinity, fake masculinity, like

1454
01:12:27,479 --> 01:12:30,840
the shit that they that society tells you is mass

1455
01:12:31,079 --> 01:12:33,239
depending on what say you grow up in. Right, I'm

1456
01:12:33,279 --> 01:12:35,560
not I don't buy the whole toxic masculinity thing. There's

1457
01:12:35,600 --> 01:12:41,159
a toxic form of masculinity, but saying toxic masculinity implies

1458
01:12:41,239 --> 01:12:44,760
that masculinity itself is toxic and that's fucking stupid. But anyway,

1459
01:12:44,800 --> 01:12:47,199
you know what I'm saying. She was like, there's a friend,

1460
01:12:47,239 --> 01:12:49,760
you know, if buddy of mine was you know, grew

1461
01:12:49,880 --> 01:12:53,000
up kind of like that, and uh, I guess his

1462
01:12:53,159 --> 01:12:58,760
girlfriend or whatever, his lady friend like kind of inadvertently

1463
01:12:58,800 --> 01:13:02,199
got him into butterflies, right, which I mean, fuck man,

1464
01:13:02,880 --> 01:13:04,960
people in this state, depending on where you are, they

1465
01:13:05,039 --> 01:13:07,079
think going to therapy makes you a pussy. They think

1466
01:13:07,159 --> 01:13:10,199
trying to like better yourself or become self aware makes

1467
01:13:10,199 --> 01:13:13,920
you a pussy. Again, I'm being this is a heavy generalization,

1468
01:13:14,439 --> 01:13:17,079
but it's true. It's a Texas thing. I don't be

1469
01:13:17,159 --> 01:13:20,159
a fuck don't be fucking abduced about it, right, So

1470
01:13:20,319 --> 01:13:25,039
imagine that. I mean, especially like butterflies, appreciating nature, all

1471
01:13:25,119 --> 01:13:29,800
that shit that's got this you know this the meathead,

1472
01:13:30,840 --> 01:13:34,159
the meathead anti nature of view, you know, is abundant, right,

1473
01:13:34,560 --> 01:13:37,920
Appreciating this stuff makes you a pussy. You're supposed to

1474
01:13:37,920 --> 01:13:40,600
be so anyway. And that's a lot of the culture

1475
01:13:41,159 --> 01:13:44,199
around I mean especially you know, when I worked for

1476
01:13:44,239 --> 01:13:46,159
the railroad, I saw that there. I saw you know,

1477
01:13:46,279 --> 01:13:51,399
these kind of like the people construction workers, working class

1478
01:13:51,479 --> 01:13:54,880
slobs like myself. I would never do this, of course,

1479
01:13:54,920 --> 01:13:58,399
but people complaining about you know, the environmental regulations, things

1480
01:13:58,479 --> 01:14:01,920
like that. Right, So it's like a common worldview among

1481
01:14:02,079 --> 01:14:05,560
like the shit for brained meathead that doesn't know himself

1482
01:14:05,720 --> 01:14:09,039
because he's been propagandized to want to be macho, and

1483
01:14:09,159 --> 01:14:11,880
you know, have the giant lifted truck that he doesn't

1484
01:14:11,920 --> 01:14:14,880
really need because his job doesn't entail any kind of

1485
01:14:14,920 --> 01:14:17,840
work like that, you know what I mean. Again, generalizations

1486
01:14:18,159 --> 01:14:21,880
not always and not everybody, but this is fucking real.

1487
01:14:22,399 --> 01:14:23,960
But my friend was taking you know, so this this

1488
01:14:24,439 --> 01:14:27,279
this guy that my friend his friends with. She was

1489
01:14:27,319 --> 01:14:30,600
telling me, you know, he got into butterflies recently and

1490
01:14:30,760 --> 01:14:32,720
it kind of woke him up. He got into butterflies

1491
01:14:32,760 --> 01:14:36,920
through his girlfriend, and you know, stopped being afraid to

1492
01:14:37,000 --> 01:14:39,479
appreciate nature because his meat head friends would think he

1493
01:14:39,560 --> 01:14:41,479
was a pussy. I should I should have asked her that,

1494
01:14:41,520 --> 01:14:43,920
because I don't know what wakes someone. What makes somebody

1495
01:14:44,000 --> 01:14:47,159
wake up? Right? Is it just like an LSD deficiency,

1496
01:14:47,359 --> 01:14:52,159
like or or resolving an ls DE deficiency. Is it

1497
01:14:52,199 --> 01:14:56,239
getting hit on the head? Is it having a midlife crisis?

1498
01:14:56,840 --> 01:15:00,439
Is it finally realizing that you're fucking miserable and you've

1499
01:15:00,439 --> 01:15:03,279
been living the last thirty years of your life repressed

1500
01:15:03,760 --> 01:15:06,479
and trying to impress other people. I don't know, but

1501
01:15:06,600 --> 01:15:10,840
people wake up. And he woke up, this person in question,

1502
01:15:11,000 --> 01:15:13,840
and so, you know, and he was like, I guess

1503
01:15:13,920 --> 01:15:16,600
he was in a startling moment of self awareness. Was

1504
01:15:16,640 --> 01:15:19,479
telling this friend of mine. He's like, yeah, you know,

1505
01:15:19,560 --> 01:15:21,720
I used to be into all this stuff, bugs and

1506
01:15:21,760 --> 01:15:23,920
butterflies and shit when I was a kid, And now

1507
01:15:25,239 --> 01:15:27,720
you know, I kind of felt like, you know, I'd

1508
01:15:27,800 --> 01:15:31,479
suppressed that, I was told that that wasn't cool, that

1509
01:15:31,640 --> 01:15:36,960
that made me, you know, a wuss whatever. And because

1510
01:15:37,079 --> 01:15:40,039
there's all this subconscious shit. You know, humans are hurt animals.

1511
01:15:40,079 --> 01:15:45,159
We're conformists, all right, That's the that is the lowest

1512
01:15:45,199 --> 01:15:48,439
common denominator. If it's not corrected for, or if it's

1513
01:15:48,560 --> 01:15:52,960
not you know, an intellect isn't cultivated. That's like the

1514
01:15:53,880 --> 01:15:56,560
state you regress to, or just the baseline state you

1515
01:15:56,640 --> 01:15:59,319
start off with if you never build upon that or

1516
01:15:59,439 --> 01:16:01,800
try to be better better than that. Right, And so

1517
01:16:01,920 --> 01:16:05,159
if you're surrounded by a culture that tells you caring

1518
01:16:05,199 --> 01:16:10,359
about nature or finding butterflies to be interesting or to

1519
01:16:10,439 --> 01:16:13,239
find birds to be interesting, you're surrounded by a culture

1520
01:16:13,279 --> 01:16:15,720
that tells you that makes you a pussy, which is

1521
01:16:16,119 --> 01:16:19,520
they're just like laughably fucking meat at it, just like

1522
01:16:19,720 --> 01:16:25,600
laughably embarrassingly fucking stupid. But it's real. If you're surrounded

1523
01:16:25,600 --> 01:16:27,199
by culture like that, then that's what you're gonna be.

1524
01:16:27,279 --> 01:16:31,600
You're gonna be You're unknowingly being sculpted and having your

1525
01:16:31,680 --> 01:16:35,600
interests and your personalities sculpted by the people around you.

1526
01:16:36,319 --> 01:16:39,359
And that thought alone can be very depressing really because

1527
01:16:39,399 --> 01:16:42,159
you look around you like these fucking people, this society,

1528
01:16:42,279 --> 01:16:47,079
these unthinking slobs whatever, and this kind of again not

1529
01:16:47,199 --> 01:16:49,039
to be too much of a cynical, but a lot

1530
01:16:49,079 --> 01:16:53,960
of society is really disappointing. You know, they're the ones

1531
01:16:54,000 --> 01:16:57,439
that are dictating what I'm interested in. Shit, you know,

1532
01:16:57,560 --> 01:17:01,680
you have that moment where you wake up. So anyway,

1533
01:17:01,760 --> 01:17:03,720
I was just, yeah, I was an I thought all

1534
01:17:03,760 --> 01:17:05,960
of this while I was sitting in Taco Pee eating

1535
01:17:06,000 --> 01:17:09,119
a fucking burrito, which is you know, I'm probably this

1536
01:17:09,319 --> 01:17:11,720
is probably a form of mild psychosis, coming up with

1537
01:17:11,800 --> 01:17:13,640
this whole story in my head. Maybe I don't know,

1538
01:17:13,800 --> 01:17:18,199
maybe the people that maybe these like you know, Macho

1539
01:17:18,319 --> 01:17:21,439
Tejana working class dudes that were all rubber necking me

1540
01:17:21,479 --> 01:17:23,119
and looking at me like I had shit on my face,

1541
01:17:23,159 --> 01:17:25,399
Maybe that's not what they were thinking, right, Who knows,

1542
01:17:25,640 --> 01:17:30,079
I don't know, just a wild guess, right, you never know.

1543
01:17:32,439 --> 01:17:37,640
But uh, but it's it's reminiscent that the culture, you know,

1544
01:17:38,199 --> 01:17:41,279
depends where you are, right, But I certainly remember that too,

1545
01:17:41,359 --> 01:17:43,600
Like when I was working for the railroad, like you'd

1546
01:17:43,640 --> 01:17:48,039
meet these these especially the rednecks, goddamn right. They'd be

1547
01:17:48,159 --> 01:17:51,479
complaining about some fucking environmental regulation they had to follow,

1548
01:17:51,600 --> 01:17:54,760
or how the railroad their boss that was fucking them

1549
01:17:54,800 --> 01:17:57,720
to begin with. Uh, you know, the railroad had to

1550
01:17:58,439 --> 01:18:02,359
curtail some behavior it was engaged in that was, you know,

1551
01:18:02,960 --> 01:18:06,680
adamantly destructive, and the curtail it because it was impact

1552
01:18:06,760 --> 01:18:11,319
negatively impacting some endangered plant or animal, you know. And

1553
01:18:11,399 --> 01:18:14,800
these these dudes I work with again, who are getting

1554
01:18:14,840 --> 01:18:17,560
screwed by the company that had to follow these regulations,

1555
01:18:18,279 --> 01:18:21,560
you know, they'd be complaining about it. Speaking of butterflies, man,

1556
01:18:21,600 --> 01:18:23,840
I am driving through so many of them right now.

1557
01:18:23,880 --> 01:18:25,960
They're ended up by my windshield. I feel bad, but

1558
01:18:26,079 --> 01:18:30,880
you know there's plenty luckily so. And speaking of fucking meatheads,

1559
01:18:30,920 --> 01:18:33,159
there's somebody on my ass right now. What do you

1560
01:18:33,159 --> 01:18:34,960
want me to do? I'm going seventy on a road

1561
01:18:35,039 --> 01:18:38,680
that's filled with potholes and fucking it's a two lane road.

1562
01:18:38,720 --> 01:18:42,039
Buddy oncet you settled down? Where where do you gotta be?

1563
01:18:42,760 --> 01:18:42,960
Speaker 3: Huh?

1564
01:18:43,439 --> 01:18:49,159
Speaker 1: Dipshit? Need more offensive bumper stickers, you know, I mean

1565
01:18:49,199 --> 01:18:51,960
one of those unless you're a hemorrhoid, Get off my ass.

1566
01:18:52,039 --> 01:18:54,920
Bumper stickers I haven't seen one of those in a while.

1567
01:18:55,560 --> 01:18:58,199
That was kind of Oh, there's a fucking tarantula. Oh,

1568
01:18:58,239 --> 01:19:01,319
I gotta go nice. I drove right over it. I

1569
01:19:01,359 --> 01:19:03,720
think the meat head behind me didn't too, Thank God

1570
01:19:04,000 --> 01:19:08,640
didn't kill it. All of Texas, all of South Texas

1571
01:19:08,760 --> 01:19:08,960
is so.

1572
01:19:09,039 --> 01:19:09,680
Speaker 3: Green right now.

1573
01:19:09,800 --> 01:19:17,479
Speaker 1: It's beautiful, real, beautiful, ungulate, rolling green hills. I stopped

1574
01:19:17,840 --> 01:19:22,239
near Del Rio and I saw this area of like

1575
01:19:22,359 --> 01:19:25,319
bright white colliche soil. I think it was colleci so

1576
01:19:25,520 --> 01:19:28,920
just calcareous settiment's kind of like a natural cement. And

1577
01:19:29,079 --> 01:19:30,560
I looked at it and I said, I bet that's

1578
01:19:30,600 --> 01:19:33,199
got some cool stuff on it. So I part for

1579
01:19:33,279 --> 01:19:36,399
a second, I need to stretch my legs anyway, part

1580
01:19:36,479 --> 01:19:40,720
for a second. And found a nice population of ancestral

1581
01:19:40,840 --> 01:19:46,720
cactus brevatus brev hematus, which is like a little spherical

1582
01:19:47,239 --> 01:19:51,640
ancestral cactus. All the ancestral cactus species, which I think

1583
01:19:51,680 --> 01:19:54,039
in the United States you only get in Texas, all

1584
01:19:54,119 --> 01:19:57,680
of them produced a tuber a tuberous potato like root

1585
01:19:58,399 --> 01:20:02,680
that makes them so dizzy. Iroed among the uh the

1586
01:20:02,880 --> 01:20:06,399
local feral pig population, which I think we've completely eradicated

1587
01:20:06,439 --> 01:20:07,239
from thorn scrub.

1588
01:20:07,279 --> 01:20:10,920
Speaker 3: Now, you don't know. You don't know what.

1589
01:20:11,199 --> 01:20:13,359
Speaker 1: Work is until you've shot a two hundred and fifty

1590
01:20:13,359 --> 01:20:15,880
pounds feral pig and then had the dragons assed out

1591
01:20:15,920 --> 01:20:18,600
of the trap. Its tusks keep getting stuck on a

1592
01:20:18,680 --> 01:20:21,880
fucking the cage of the floor of the trap, and

1593
01:20:21,960 --> 01:20:24,960
you're getting bit by fleas on it. Then it can

1594
01:20:25,039 --> 01:20:28,600
get in gnarly. Yeah, go around me, Go around me. Huh, Junior,

1595
01:20:29,640 --> 01:20:33,800
fucking massive, These fucking giant trucks. You know, I see

1596
01:20:33,840 --> 01:20:36,359
these trucks. They don't they don't have a scratch on them.

1597
01:20:36,920 --> 01:20:40,680
They're shiny, they're shiny and nice pink job, how princess

1598
01:20:43,920 --> 01:20:45,920
I wear my My truck has beat the shit. I

1599
01:20:45,960 --> 01:20:51,680
got a fucking h bumper and iron bumper. A friend

1600
01:20:51,720 --> 01:20:54,840
of mine welded on there. It looks sketchy as hell.

1601
01:20:54,880 --> 01:20:56,800
Every once in a while the cops roll me because

1602
01:20:56,800 --> 01:20:58,840
I don't have a light over the license plate. But

1603
01:20:58,920 --> 01:21:01,319
you know, and I tell him, officer, I'm not gonna

1604
01:21:01,479 --> 01:21:03,000
I'm not gonna put a light on this thing.

1605
01:21:03,199 --> 01:21:03,279
Speaker 3: Right.

1606
01:21:03,319 --> 01:21:07,560
Speaker 1: It's a reflective material, sir. So you know, unless someone's

1607
01:21:07,600 --> 01:21:09,760
headlights aren't working, they shouldn't have any trouble reading the

1608
01:21:09,800 --> 01:21:12,199
plate and they say, well, all right, you're gonna keep

1609
01:21:12,239 --> 01:21:14,359
getting stopped, And I say, okay, that's fine with me.

1610
01:21:14,640 --> 01:21:17,079
Nobody's ritten me a ticket yet I get a warning.

1611
01:21:17,319 --> 01:21:19,319
Not I said that they'll probably I'll get a fucking ticket.

1612
01:21:20,760 --> 01:21:21,079
Speaker 4: But uh.

1613
01:21:21,159 --> 01:21:23,760
Speaker 1: But anyway, So I found a population about a klai

1614
01:21:23,840 --> 01:21:28,640
Zanti's crassifolia there as well, which is a rare nicktag

1615
01:21:28,680 --> 01:21:29,880
I don't know if I talked about this in the

1616
01:21:29,920 --> 01:21:34,399
last podcast, but it's a wonderful fucking species. It's aklais antes.

1617
01:21:35,000 --> 01:21:37,520
I think all of them have opposite leaves. Most members

1618
01:21:37,560 --> 01:21:42,199
of Nicktageneci the bougain Villa family. You're familiar with bougain Villa,

1619
01:21:42,239 --> 01:21:46,800
aren't you. It's Daniel Ducacas's one of his favorites, one

1620
01:21:46,840 --> 01:21:48,520
of his favorite plants for the.

1621
01:21:48,560 --> 01:21:48,960
Speaker 3: Good and.

1622
01:21:51,600 --> 01:21:54,199
Speaker 1: It's a horticultural atrocity, to be honest with you, but

1623
01:21:54,319 --> 01:21:57,039
they do give a little bit of nectar to the hummingbirds.

1624
01:21:57,760 --> 01:22:00,680
Nick Tagenecy to four o'clock family. You got, Nick Tagania.

1625
01:22:00,760 --> 01:22:03,479
We get in South Texas a whole host of wonderful

1626
01:22:03,520 --> 01:22:06,439
desert species. Many of them are desert adapted, many of

1627
01:22:06,479 --> 01:22:10,439
them are mouth pollinated, as well, uh, Nick, taganea is

1628
01:22:11,079 --> 01:22:14,199
butterfly pollinated. It's got long red tube flowers, you know

1629
01:22:14,279 --> 01:22:16,600
for the proboscis, you know the thing that to put

1630
01:22:16,680 --> 01:22:21,159
that on furros on a butterfly's face. But I found this.

1631
01:22:21,399 --> 01:22:23,319
I didn't expect to see that. I was lurking around

1632
01:22:23,840 --> 01:22:26,239
looking at all the cool stuff they got. They had,

1633
01:22:27,800 --> 01:22:33,279
you know, Thai Mafoa as rosa was there, thy Mafoa micropooroides,

1634
01:22:35,439 --> 01:22:40,520
and Delis sperma was there as well. All these are composites,

1635
01:22:41,760 --> 01:22:45,279
some guahios, some Senegalia berlanda. Right, all your favorite thorn

1636
01:22:45,399 --> 01:22:50,239
scrub in West Texas, uh plant species right the well,

1637
01:22:50,279 --> 01:22:52,880
the Del Rio area really is like the gateway to

1638
01:22:53,000 --> 01:22:58,319
the to the trains trans pecos from this from South Texas.

1639
01:22:58,359 --> 01:23:02,600
There was sniso everywhere. Luco found Protestants you plock a

1640
01:23:02,680 --> 01:23:06,600
tory I et cetera. Yeah, and then those ancestro cactus

1641
01:23:06,680 --> 01:23:08,800
with the tubers with the potato roots that they can

1642
01:23:08,880 --> 01:23:11,279
dive back to. But uh, and then there was this

1643
01:23:11,479 --> 01:23:13,800
rare a claisantis, a fucking rare plant. Oh. There was

1644
01:23:13,960 --> 01:23:18,760
a needlegrass everywhere. Aristota as well, one of my favorite grasses.

1645
01:23:18,840 --> 01:23:22,439
You like the aristotas, don't you So that was fucking

1646
01:23:22,520 --> 01:23:24,960
I have no idea. I mean it was really accessible

1647
01:23:25,000 --> 01:23:27,680
spot too kind of near. It was near a major

1648
01:23:27,960 --> 01:23:31,479
Inn Highway intersection. It'll probably be gone in ten years.

1649
01:23:31,520 --> 01:23:34,960
It's owned by some ship back development company. So, you know,

1650
01:23:35,039 --> 01:23:36,920
in keeping with the theme of Texas, it's got to

1651
01:23:36,960 --> 01:23:39,479
be ruined. You can't have nice stuff here for too long,

1652
01:23:40,760 --> 01:23:44,399
you know, say, especially if it's standing in the way

1653
01:23:44,439 --> 01:23:50,319
of any obscene development that could could be. So I

1654
01:23:50,399 --> 01:23:54,359
got stopped at an intersection. Uh had the had this

1655
01:23:54,560 --> 01:23:56,600
figure out where I was going? But anyway, so we

1656
01:23:56,680 --> 01:24:00,079
were talking about the colonized mind, the repressed mind. But

1657
01:24:00,159 --> 01:24:03,479
to TANO, not all theanod's ash tag, not all theano's,

1658
01:24:04,119 --> 01:24:08,920
just the everyones who are quite visibly distraught and have

1659
01:24:09,039 --> 01:24:13,680
every reason to be. You know, my uh fellow working

1660
01:24:13,800 --> 01:24:18,520
class mooks. Yeah, what do you do?

1661
01:24:18,720 --> 01:24:18,840
Speaker 3: Man?

1662
01:24:18,920 --> 01:24:20,479
Speaker 1: You gotta get like you know, they need like an

1663
01:24:20,560 --> 01:24:22,880
MDM a therapy program down here. All you need is

1664
01:24:22,960 --> 01:24:25,520
one or two of those sessions. It'll take away all

1665
01:24:25,560 --> 01:24:29,800
your PTSD, It'll take away all your repressed tramis. You know,

1666
01:24:32,279 --> 01:24:33,920
do you ever see horned lizards in the middle of

1667
01:24:33,960 --> 01:24:35,760
the road, fuck, there's all these birds. Get out of

1668
01:24:35,760 --> 01:24:37,079
the road. I don't want to kill you. I don't

1669
01:24:37,079 --> 01:24:40,399
want that way. And am I conscious? Every once in

1670
01:24:40,439 --> 01:24:44,199
a while you see a horned lizard. Night. They're out here,

1671
01:24:47,079 --> 01:24:48,920
got it. I can't get over how nice and green

1672
01:24:48,960 --> 01:24:51,199
it looks. It's gonna be time for seed collecting in

1673
01:24:51,279 --> 01:24:57,600
a month or two, I tell you what. Just outside

1674
01:24:57,640 --> 01:25:02,079
of del Rio too, I passed this place called Boiling Mountain,

1675
01:25:02,840 --> 01:25:05,239
which I think that was it Boiling. I looked on

1676
01:25:05,319 --> 01:25:08,560
the it was a little hill coming, like a big hill,

1677
01:25:09,000 --> 01:25:12,520
like three hundred feet tall, noticeably distinct from the surrounding

1678
01:25:13,039 --> 01:25:16,520
already undulating landscape of hills. And I looked on a

1679
01:25:16,560 --> 01:25:19,000
geologic map, and it was all intrusive igneous rock.

1680
01:25:19,119 --> 01:25:19,760
Speaker 3: It was. It was.

1681
01:25:21,760 --> 01:25:24,720
Speaker 1: I guess it was a granite, I would assume, or

1682
01:25:24,880 --> 01:25:28,199
some sort of large grained igneous rock. But you know,

1683
01:25:28,600 --> 01:25:32,920
surrounded entirely by limestone. But the whole thing is private,

1684
01:25:33,039 --> 01:25:35,840
so no chance of getting up there. But still interesting

1685
01:25:35,960 --> 01:25:38,880
to note. Right right there on the Balcone's escarpment, you

1686
01:25:38,960 --> 01:25:42,600
get some uplift, you get some igneous anomalies in the

1687
01:25:42,680 --> 01:25:49,359
otherwise sedimentary limestone environment. Anyway, in other news, The fucking

1688
01:25:49,439 --> 01:25:53,960
border wall is still going in on around Big Bend, right,

1689
01:25:54,039 --> 01:25:58,359
They're still gonna, they're gonna. I guess. I guess because

1690
01:25:58,399 --> 01:26:00,560
there was so much opposition to it. It wasn't just

1691
01:26:01,560 --> 01:26:04,039
it wasn't just you know, one one side. It was

1692
01:26:04,119 --> 01:26:06,479
both left and right complaining about this because no one

1693
01:26:06,520 --> 01:26:09,800
wants to see one of the most beautiful landscapes in

1694
01:26:09,880 --> 01:26:13,319
the Condell of the United States destroyed if they especially

1695
01:26:13,359 --> 01:26:15,439
if they own property there, Like all these rich focks

1696
01:26:15,479 --> 01:26:19,399
who probably you know voted Trump voted for this shit,

1697
01:26:19,960 --> 01:26:21,520
they didn't, you know, they don't want to see their

1698
01:26:21,600 --> 01:26:25,079
landscape fucked up. Uh, And they realize that it's just performative.

1699
01:26:25,119 --> 01:26:27,680
There's no you don't need to build a border wall there.

1700
01:26:28,000 --> 01:26:31,199
It's one of the most remote and hard to cross

1701
01:26:31,319 --> 01:26:35,840
areas of the country, of the whole border, like they like,

1702
01:26:35,920 --> 01:26:38,199
there's no reason to do this. I think a large

1703
01:26:38,279 --> 01:26:40,279
reason for this is the same ship that a lot

1704
01:26:40,319 --> 01:26:43,880
of stuff gets built in Texas construction contracts and nepotism.

1705
01:26:44,600 --> 01:26:48,680
So there's been a lot of opposition to it, and

1706
01:26:49,000 --> 01:26:51,199
I guess at one point that had been you know,

1707
01:26:51,359 --> 01:26:54,159
the Department Homeland Security and said Okay, no we're we're

1708
01:26:54,199 --> 01:26:55,920
next to it. We're not going to do it. That's

1709
01:26:55,960 --> 01:26:59,159
all bullshit, of course, because they're they're waving a bunch

1710
01:26:59,199 --> 01:27:02,239
of environmental loss to build roads there. It's fucking obscene.

1711
01:27:02,760 --> 01:27:06,680
It's so obscene, right, I mean, this guy Trump knows

1712
01:27:07,039 --> 01:27:12,840
it's he knows he's unpopular now, he knows he's alienated

1713
01:27:12,880 --> 01:27:14,760
a good amount of his base. There's always gonna be

1714
01:27:14,800 --> 01:27:16,640
people that are dumb enough to still support him. But

1715
01:27:17,720 --> 01:27:20,560
and he's cashing into chips. He doesn't care anymore. He's

1716
01:27:20,560 --> 01:27:22,399
I mean, he's looting the whole country and selling it

1717
01:27:22,479 --> 01:27:26,680
for parts right the place is it's I mean, it's

1718
01:27:26,760 --> 01:27:30,880
kind of funny in a super dystopian way because it

1719
01:27:31,039 --> 01:27:33,199
is the end of empire and he's gonna wreck the

1720
01:27:33,239 --> 01:27:37,760
shit out of this country. But and he's really just

1721
01:27:37,880 --> 01:27:39,840
selling it off. He's just trying to cash in. That's

1722
01:27:39,880 --> 01:27:43,039
this whole thing. All these people that say they they

1723
01:27:43,119 --> 01:27:45,439
didn't you know, they didn't see it coming. How are

1724
01:27:45,520 --> 01:27:49,239
we supposed to know? Really, with all due respects, So

1725
01:27:49,319 --> 01:27:52,439
you're a fucking idiot. Guys had like a fifty year

1726
01:27:52,520 --> 01:27:54,199
track record of being a con man. How are you

1727
01:27:54,279 --> 01:28:01,840
supposed to know? You know like whatever, anyway, I don't

1728
01:28:01,920 --> 01:28:04,640
I don't see how it can be stopped. If you've

1729
01:28:04,680 --> 01:28:06,279
never been to that region of the country. It's not

1730
01:28:06,399 --> 01:28:09,000
just Big Ben National Park, it's Big Ben Ranch, the whole.

1731
01:28:09,319 --> 01:28:12,199
I mean I just drove through half that area. It's

1732
01:28:12,399 --> 01:28:15,159
fucking gorgeous. Like, what are they gonna They're gonna build

1733
01:28:15,319 --> 01:28:17,760
a wall around the lane tree area too. You know

1734
01:28:18,600 --> 01:28:22,920
these are really remote, hard to cross places. Nobody's gonna

1735
01:28:22,920 --> 01:28:25,119
want to come into the country after he's done it then, anyway,

1736
01:28:25,159 --> 01:28:28,159
after he's fucked it up so much, right, he's gonna

1737
01:28:28,199 --> 01:28:29,920
be returned. It's like he's It's like you get a

1738
01:28:29,960 --> 01:28:32,960
rental car for four years and then you return it's

1739
01:28:33,039 --> 01:28:36,760
missing a bumper, fucking it's you know, the transmissions all

1740
01:28:36,840 --> 01:28:41,760
jacked up, it does the coolant, the coolant's gone. The

1741
01:28:42,000 --> 01:28:44,880
thing is, the thing barely runs, you know, you like,

1742
01:28:45,239 --> 01:28:49,079
you wheel it back into the you push it back

1743
01:28:49,159 --> 01:28:52,720
into the fucking rental agency you bring up. I mean,

1744
01:28:52,800 --> 01:28:55,560
no one's gonna want That's what the country's gonna be like, right,

1745
01:28:55,760 --> 01:28:59,479
four years of this fucking guy, it's it's done. You

1746
01:28:59,560 --> 01:29:03,399
know that wall is gonna be keeping people in. That's

1747
01:29:03,560 --> 01:29:07,399
that's the purpose of it. Mexico's got fucking healthcare and

1748
01:29:07,439 --> 01:29:12,399
a pension system. Now right, Trump's gonna loot the loot

1749
01:29:12,479 --> 01:29:16,119
all of that loot, loot whatever pension systems left fired,

1750
01:29:16,159 --> 01:29:19,520
how many public employees. He's doing a great job. I mean,

1751
01:29:19,600 --> 01:29:23,720
he's really he's getting it real dinged up and nice. Right,

1752
01:29:24,720 --> 01:29:27,000
It's like running a hotel room and knocking holes in

1753
01:29:27,079 --> 01:29:29,880
the wall, throwing meat in between the walls, you know,

1754
01:29:31,159 --> 01:29:34,000
dog shit all over the place. I mean, he's doing

1755
01:29:34,119 --> 01:29:39,479
great work, great work, Bravo, really really impressed. So yeah,

1756
01:29:39,600 --> 01:29:42,920
border wall everywhere. I mean, it's fucking it's it's insane.

1757
01:29:44,000 --> 01:29:47,439
And Texas is so known for construction contracts anyway, I mean,

1758
01:29:47,680 --> 01:29:50,479
you know, they'll just keep building lanes, pointless roads to

1759
01:29:50,560 --> 01:29:56,159
nowhere whatever. Uh, there's there's so much corruption in this state.

1760
01:29:57,760 --> 01:30:00,920
It's crazy. But I you know, it is nuts to

1761
01:30:00,960 --> 01:30:03,520
see it. It's still going through because there's there's so

1762
01:30:03,760 --> 01:30:07,439
much opposition. No one who lives in that region wants

1763
01:30:07,439 --> 01:30:13,039
a fucking border wall there, nobody. All Right, I'm back,

1764
01:30:13,079 --> 01:30:15,039
I got I got back on the nice mic. Now

1765
01:30:15,079 --> 01:30:19,960
I'm not using those road mics anymore. But uh, anyway, Yeah,

1766
01:30:19,960 --> 01:30:23,159
it was. It was, uh, how about that got back

1767
01:30:23,439 --> 01:30:25,840
and uh, just a landslide of shit. Found out that

1768
01:30:25,920 --> 01:30:29,680
a spigot outside my bedroom wall has been slowly leaking

1769
01:30:29,720 --> 01:30:31,920
for the last month. So it's you know, the that's

1770
01:30:32,000 --> 01:30:38,279
basically through capillary action, water has uh has is basically

1771
01:30:38,479 --> 01:30:43,640
soaked into the trim around my like six feet in

1772
01:30:43,760 --> 01:30:46,199
either direction, six feet in either direction from where this

1773
01:30:46,319 --> 01:30:48,439
spigot is on the other side of the wall outside.

1774
01:30:48,479 --> 01:30:50,680
So I gotta go get a I gotta go get

1775
01:30:50,720 --> 01:30:53,359
my oscillating tool cut up in the concrete board on

1776
01:30:53,439 --> 01:30:56,800
the outside fucking around you know, where I live, the contractors,

1777
01:30:56,800 --> 01:30:58,560
and I think it's like this in many places, the

1778
01:30:58,680 --> 01:31:02,159
contractors will just fucking rob you. And then you meet

1779
01:31:02,239 --> 01:31:04,239
these guys and no offense to them at all, But

1780
01:31:04,600 --> 01:31:06,319
half of them where I live don't seem to know

1781
01:31:06,399 --> 01:31:10,199
what they're doing anyway, Like you know, they probably aren't

1782
01:31:10,239 --> 01:31:13,920
that aren't that smart, no offense to them, and so

1783
01:31:14,119 --> 01:31:16,399
you're paying for low quality work and then they're fucking

1784
01:31:16,479 --> 01:31:19,359
taking you for a ride anyway, So you might as

1785
01:31:19,399 --> 01:31:22,000
well just learn to do it, do it yourself, right.

1786
01:31:22,119 --> 01:31:24,039
And then in other places, like when I was living

1787
01:31:24,079 --> 01:31:26,560
in West Texas, it was different story. You could never

1788
01:31:26,640 --> 01:31:28,720
find anybody to do anything, so you had to figure

1789
01:31:28,720 --> 01:31:31,399
out how to do it yourself. Anyway, you're always better

1790
01:31:31,479 --> 01:31:34,159
off trying to figure out how to do it yourself, right,

1791
01:31:34,279 --> 01:31:38,079
and just really thinking about what you're doing and what's

1792
01:31:38,199 --> 01:31:42,039
gonna happen, what could go wrong? Murphy's law all the time.

1793
01:31:42,079 --> 01:31:43,560
That's what we thought on the railroad all the time.

1794
01:31:44,199 --> 01:31:47,079
Whatever can go wrong will go wrong. So think about it.

1795
01:31:47,760 --> 01:31:50,039
Take it into account. What you know, could there be

1796
01:31:50,119 --> 01:31:52,279
a wire behind this concrete board when I cut it?

1797
01:31:53,239 --> 01:31:55,600
What does the leak look like? Visualize it in your head.

1798
01:31:55,640 --> 01:31:58,079
I don't know. The fucking plumbing is shoddy, and the

1799
01:31:58,199 --> 01:32:01,399
spigot wasn't even attached to this U on the other

1800
01:32:01,479 --> 01:32:03,359
side of the wall. It wasn't like anchored into the ground.

1801
01:32:03,399 --> 01:32:06,199
So it's just wobbly. And they literally just saw a

1802
01:32:06,279 --> 01:32:08,079
hole in the concrete. Word, it's all fucked up. It's

1803
01:32:08,079 --> 01:32:09,720
all jacked up. I should have known it was gonna

1804
01:32:09,720 --> 01:32:12,039
happen because the thing's been wobbly for a while.

1805
01:32:12,600 --> 01:32:12,640
Speaker 4: So.

1806
01:32:12,840 --> 01:32:15,399
Speaker 1: In other news, I'm going to Costa Rica in a

1807
01:32:15,479 --> 01:32:18,800
week to help with Allen and Mandy's tour for my

1808
01:32:19,000 --> 01:32:23,560
Sina it's like as a it's a fungal foray uh,

1809
01:32:24,039 --> 01:32:26,399
there's a fucking fungal four ray going on inside my

1810
01:32:26,479 --> 01:32:28,520
walls right now? How about that? I got the mildew

1811
01:32:28,880 --> 01:32:32,199
just fucking taking over some really beautiful rhise of Morris

1812
01:32:32,239 --> 01:32:34,560
on the plywood once I cut away the initial bits

1813
01:32:34,560 --> 01:32:39,560
of concrete bord, beautiful fan of fungal hyphae eating the

1814
01:32:39,760 --> 01:32:43,720
rotting and mildewy lots of trichoderma. You know, the trichoderma

1815
01:32:43,800 --> 01:32:46,840
actually eats the fungie. I think it was, you know,

1816
01:32:46,920 --> 01:32:49,960
now that I know so much about the the backyard

1817
01:32:50,039 --> 01:32:52,840
food webs, I've been following, you know, Damon Tye, learning

1818
01:32:53,279 --> 01:32:56,359
what things like springtails are. I saw when I looked

1819
01:32:56,399 --> 01:32:59,600
under my bed, a whole community if we could. We're

1820
01:32:59,600 --> 01:33:01,600
still on We're still on this because this has given

1821
01:33:01,640 --> 01:33:04,000
me anxiety. This shit that's going on outside with the spit,

1822
01:33:04,079 --> 01:33:06,159
the leak and spigott and shit. I couldn't find the

1823
01:33:06,239 --> 01:33:08,199
leak though it's not actively dripping, so it must be

1824
01:33:08,319 --> 01:33:10,960
only going on, you know, But the whole the board

1825
01:33:11,119 --> 01:33:13,039
is wet, so I don't know where it's coming out.

1826
01:33:13,520 --> 01:33:16,000
It's it's really confounding, I really got to get in there.

1827
01:33:16,000 --> 01:33:18,800
I've got a little bit more concrete born to cut away.

1828
01:33:19,520 --> 01:33:21,479
I was doing this last night at like ten o'clock.

1829
01:33:21,640 --> 01:33:23,960
My daughter was sleeping on the other thank god, kids

1830
01:33:24,039 --> 01:33:27,720
sleep really uh really lightly.

1831
01:33:27,840 --> 01:33:28,000
Speaker 3: You know.

1832
01:33:29,039 --> 01:33:31,039
Speaker 1: She was sleeping on the other side of the house,

1833
01:33:31,920 --> 01:33:35,560
so she couldn't hear it, but in a different room.

1834
01:33:35,600 --> 01:33:37,439
But either way, it was fucking loud, you know, just

1835
01:33:37,560 --> 01:33:40,640
doing like out there, like a tweaker cutting his house

1836
01:33:40,680 --> 01:33:44,600
apart at ten o'clock at night, because otherwise, if I

1837
01:33:44,640 --> 01:33:46,039
didn't figure out what was going on, I knew it

1838
01:33:46,119 --> 01:33:47,520
was just going to have anxiety about it. But I,

1839
01:33:47,640 --> 01:33:49,960
you know, because I know about all this the you know,

1840
01:33:50,079 --> 01:33:54,479
my local backyard ecosystem. I saw abundance of spiders, and

1841
01:33:54,560 --> 01:33:57,000
then I saw all the roly polleys that had somehow

1842
01:33:57,079 --> 01:34:00,439
come in the house, probably through the trim. And then

1843
01:34:00,439 --> 01:34:03,479
I saw actual springtails, which are known for eating fungus,

1844
01:34:04,119 --> 01:34:05,760
on the bottom of the trim as well. I had

1845
01:34:05,800 --> 01:34:08,119
to get under there with a flashlight, and shit, it's

1846
01:34:08,239 --> 01:34:09,920
just gonna be it's gonna be a fucking mess. I

1847
01:34:09,960 --> 01:34:11,640
gotta air this stuff out too, and then it's supposed

1848
01:34:11,640 --> 01:34:15,359
to rain in four days. Oh yeah, and then I

1849
01:34:15,439 --> 01:34:19,199
go to Costa Rica. I'm getting paid to do it.

1850
01:34:19,279 --> 01:34:21,800
It's work, you know, because if I like Costa Rica,

1851
01:34:21,880 --> 01:34:23,399
but it wouldn't be the first place I would go.

1852
01:34:23,720 --> 01:34:26,319
I've already been there. I love the cloud forests, I

1853
01:34:26,439 --> 01:34:28,600
love all that the oak forests up there, but I've

1854
01:34:28,640 --> 01:34:31,199
already been there. So but I'm going there to help

1855
01:34:31,199 --> 01:34:33,279
with Allen and Many's tour. And then I think we're

1856
01:34:33,279 --> 01:34:36,199
gonna drop down into the lower elevations. We're gonna be

1857
01:34:36,199 --> 01:34:37,720
at nine thousand feet for most of the time. Then

1858
01:34:37,720 --> 01:34:40,399
we're gonna drop down into the lower elevations.

1859
01:34:41,560 --> 01:34:41,800
Speaker 3: Later.

1860
01:34:42,960 --> 01:34:44,520
Speaker 1: And then I'm gonna be home for another week, and

1861
01:34:44,560 --> 01:34:47,600
then I leave for Chicago again. And then I'm gonna

1862
01:34:47,640 --> 01:34:51,600
be at Kolowe, North Carolina, to be their plenary speaker

1863
01:34:53,039 --> 01:34:55,640
in mid July, which I think is like the last

1864
01:34:55,840 --> 01:34:57,840
the last year they're having it at the college. I

1865
01:34:57,840 --> 01:35:01,680
don't know, I need to stuff saying notice stuff. And

1866
01:35:01,760 --> 01:35:03,439
then Alan I might do a book tour on the

1867
01:35:03,520 --> 01:35:06,840
East Coast, like Philly, New York, Boston, Fuck, I don't know,

1868
01:35:07,800 --> 01:35:13,960
maybe some other cities along the way. But the tour

1869
01:35:14,039 --> 01:35:15,800
we were just on was so fun and it was

1870
01:35:15,840 --> 01:35:19,159
so good sold out every show, but la that it

1871
01:35:19,319 --> 01:35:21,800
made it and it's just nice to meet people and

1872
01:35:22,399 --> 01:35:25,159
you know, get out there and talk to people, et cetera.

1873
01:35:25,199 --> 01:35:29,319
Up anyway, So anyway, another on another note, I got

1874
01:35:29,399 --> 01:35:31,960
back and I saw that this cloning machine I got

1875
01:35:32,039 --> 01:35:33,840
it was just one of those basic ones with the

1876
01:35:33,880 --> 01:35:36,359
little foam inserts and it sits in like an eight

1877
01:35:36,399 --> 01:35:38,399
inch deep tray of water with a bubbler in it.

1878
01:35:39,119 --> 01:35:39,600
Speaker 3: You know. A lot.

1879
01:35:39,760 --> 01:35:42,680
Speaker 1: Some stuff roots really easily. Some takes a while. But

1880
01:35:42,840 --> 01:35:48,439
the quadrilla and cana that rare Caparis quadrillas. It's a

1881
01:35:48,560 --> 01:35:53,680
tropical caper basically right different instead of being caparists like

1882
01:35:53,760 --> 01:35:56,840
the true cape you know, caper genus, it's in the

1883
01:35:56,920 --> 01:36:01,880
same same order the Caper family cap race. Instead of

1884
01:36:01,920 --> 01:36:05,560
being that it's it's it's the New World version of that,

1885
01:36:05,920 --> 01:36:08,079
because Capris, I think is old World. It's on east

1886
01:36:08,079 --> 01:36:10,239
side of the Atlantic Ocean. Quadrillas on the west side.

1887
01:36:10,720 --> 01:36:14,640
I've seen one of the Dominican Republic, you know, the

1888
01:36:15,239 --> 01:36:19,399
Costa Rica's got one in the lowlands in the dry lands,

1889
01:36:19,640 --> 01:36:23,840
lowland drylands. But anyway, that the quadrilla and kana from

1890
01:36:23,880 --> 01:36:26,800
the from here from the south Texas borderlands had finally rooted,

1891
01:36:26,920 --> 01:36:29,000
so now I but it was I think it's only

1892
01:36:29,039 --> 01:36:32,279
because the water level got low enough, so the humidity

1893
01:36:32,399 --> 01:36:34,720
was maintained because it was in this closed system with

1894
01:36:34,800 --> 01:36:38,479
the water bubbler, and but it wasn't in the water

1895
01:36:38,560 --> 01:36:40,720
because the water level had dropped, and so it was

1896
01:36:40,840 --> 01:36:44,399
it finally rooted. Took forever. It took like two months.

1897
01:36:45,000 --> 01:36:47,159
So now I've got it in soil and I'm trying

1898
01:36:47,239 --> 01:36:50,880
to basically just keep the humidity up. I've got it

1899
01:36:50,920 --> 01:36:53,760
in a clear plastic bag under lights at low temperatures.

1900
01:36:53,800 --> 01:36:57,600
Hopefully it'll get established. But that's the kind of the

1901
01:36:57,800 --> 01:37:00,159
that's the hard part is transitioning them from the those

1902
01:37:00,279 --> 01:37:05,640
water roots to actual soil and doing it without rotting

1903
01:37:05,720 --> 01:37:08,319
them as well or letting them dry out, you know,

1904
01:37:08,359 --> 01:37:11,239
because there are those roots they have are not that great.

1905
01:37:11,359 --> 01:37:15,079
You have to give them a minute until they can

1906
01:37:15,119 --> 01:37:17,960
actually grow into the soil. And so I've got a

1907
01:37:18,000 --> 01:37:20,399
couple other things rooting, but I'm gonna I'm gonna try

1908
01:37:20,439 --> 01:37:23,159
a different system. I used to never take cuttings, but

1909
01:37:23,239 --> 01:37:26,439
now a lot of the stuff that I'm growing is

1910
01:37:26,560 --> 01:37:28,600
so rare, and I just want to produce a bunch

1911
01:37:28,680 --> 01:37:31,760
of them, and seeds can take a while, so but

1912
01:37:31,800 --> 01:37:35,479
we got a shit ton of rain in South Texas lately. God,

1913
01:37:35,560 --> 01:37:38,199
it was such a beautiful drive I just did right

1914
01:37:38,359 --> 01:37:41,800
just along Highway ninety. You go through Uvaldi and then

1915
01:37:41,840 --> 01:37:44,039
you come down, you go through the trans Pacos, you

1916
01:37:44,119 --> 01:37:48,560
go through Tarrell County, through Sanderson. It's just it's fucking

1917
01:37:48,960 --> 01:37:54,560
this beautiful countryside, beautiful Chihuahua desert, southern Edwards Plateau, and

1918
01:37:54,640 --> 01:37:56,880
then as it drops down into the thorn scrub, the

1919
01:37:57,159 --> 01:38:02,560
thorn scrub of the South Texas Plains. But yeah, I'm

1920
01:38:02,680 --> 01:38:05,640
editing the Brad Lancaster videos right now. That was incredible,

1921
01:38:05,920 --> 01:38:10,359
the dry land rainwater harvesting videos, the all the work

1922
01:38:10,399 --> 01:38:13,720
he's done, I mean, the streets. I visited his neighborhood.

1923
01:38:13,760 --> 01:38:17,880
We did a podcast together probably six months ago, and

1924
01:38:17,960 --> 01:38:20,399
then I visited his neighborhood when I was in Tucson,

1925
01:38:20,840 --> 01:38:23,000
in Dunbar Spring that's the name of the neighborhood, and

1926
01:38:23,039 --> 01:38:25,039
saw what he's done, and man, it was fucking great.

1927
01:38:25,039 --> 01:38:28,920
I've got like four videos I'm doing this on his work,

1928
01:38:29,640 --> 01:38:33,840
his work creating street trees, traffic roundabouts with street trees

1929
01:38:33,880 --> 01:38:37,439
in them, it's you know, walking down his street in

1930
01:38:37,520 --> 01:38:40,000
his city feels like a desert botanic garden. It's just

1931
01:38:40,119 --> 01:38:42,880
really beautiful. And it's shady, the whole street is, and

1932
01:38:43,039 --> 01:38:45,600
you're in the Sonoran Desert, but there's shade. And I

1933
01:38:45,720 --> 01:38:48,399
was there during the dry season, so it's not as

1934
01:38:48,439 --> 01:38:51,199
green as it would be after they get the monsoon rains,

1935
01:38:51,800 --> 01:38:54,319
you know, but he's it was still really really nice.

1936
01:38:54,359 --> 01:38:58,399
He's got edible native plants everywhere. He's got catch basins,

1937
01:38:59,560 --> 01:39:02,840
these little stepped catch basins, so it looks like terraced

1938
01:39:03,159 --> 01:39:07,359
catch basins and chicanes that call them, which are like,

1939
01:39:07,840 --> 01:39:10,520
you know, extensions of the sidewalk that go into the street.

1940
01:39:10,600 --> 01:39:13,600
The kind of bottleneck traffic at either end of the block.

1941
01:39:13,960 --> 01:39:16,960
Because the streets for residential streets, they're really fucking wide

1942
01:39:17,000 --> 01:39:19,039
where he lives. It's insane, like way wider than they

1943
01:39:19,079 --> 01:39:22,399
need to be, almost like three four lane roads, and

1944
01:39:22,520 --> 01:39:24,640
no one should be going that fast anyway, So they

1945
01:39:24,720 --> 01:39:26,760
put roundabouts in there, and then the chickanes kind of

1946
01:39:26,840 --> 01:39:28,880
forced traffic to slowe on. It's not a bitch to

1947
01:39:29,000 --> 01:39:31,760
drive in at all. It's easy. It's still easy to

1948
01:39:31,800 --> 01:39:36,079
get around, but but you know, I went to.

1949
01:39:36,560 --> 01:39:37,159
Speaker 3: It was wild.

1950
01:39:37,279 --> 01:39:40,920
Speaker 1: Filming this, I felt something I hadn't felt in so long,

1951
01:39:41,000 --> 01:39:43,039
which was hope. It was like, Wow, cities don't have

1952
01:39:43,159 --> 01:39:45,600
to suck. The world doesn't have to suck. You've created

1953
01:39:45,640 --> 01:39:50,319
a really beautiful neighborhood and just used all the native

1954
01:39:50,600 --> 01:39:53,960
plants from this neighborhood. You know, suarrows on the street.

1955
01:39:54,079 --> 01:39:57,359
He had little signs and plant labels in front of

1956
01:39:57,399 --> 01:40:00,720
all these things. He's got desert iron wood, which is edible.

1957
01:40:00,840 --> 01:40:04,000
He's got the lyceum, the native goji berry, which is edible.

1958
01:40:04,840 --> 01:40:08,520
He's got just so much shade. It's just fucking beautiful,

1959
01:40:08,560 --> 01:40:12,079
and he's got you can see both photos from the

1960
01:40:12,119 --> 01:40:14,159
street of what the street looked like before, and it

1961
01:40:14,319 --> 01:40:18,640
just looks hot as fucking bleak, concrete, no trees. And

1962
01:40:18,720 --> 01:40:21,600
then you can see satellite photos as well, and it

1963
01:40:21,880 --> 01:40:24,239
also looks bleak, just hot as balls. And then you

1964
01:40:24,279 --> 01:40:26,000
know from twenty thirty years ago, and then you can

1965
01:40:26,039 --> 01:40:28,560
see satellite photos now and there's all this tree canopy.

1966
01:40:28,640 --> 01:40:31,000
It's such a model of what could happen in other places.

1967
01:40:31,119 --> 01:40:33,840
But you know, coming back to South Texas, I was

1968
01:40:33,920 --> 01:40:36,960
reminded of just I don't know it's it's gonna it's

1969
01:40:37,000 --> 01:40:42,520
a long uphill battle here, right forcing trying to get people,

1970
01:40:43,680 --> 01:40:46,159
trying to force people to be in the trees, to

1971
01:40:46,239 --> 01:40:48,960
plant street trees. There's a lot of residents in the

1972
01:40:49,039 --> 01:40:51,680
neighborhoods who want it, but you know, people at city

1973
01:40:51,720 --> 01:40:54,840
Hall are highly resistant to it. So somehow we need

1974
01:40:54,920 --> 01:40:58,279
to organize people in the neighborhoods to ride into city

1975
01:40:58,319 --> 01:41:01,119
Hall and let their opinion be known that yeah, we

1976
01:41:01,199 --> 01:41:03,439
want more street trees, we need more street trees, or

1977
01:41:03,479 --> 01:41:06,039
we want more tree cover, more shade. It's you know,

1978
01:41:06,159 --> 01:41:10,319
it's just it's insane to not have it's insane to

1979
01:41:10,399 --> 01:41:13,680
have this attitude that doesn't want trees unless they're palm trees.

1980
01:41:13,720 --> 01:41:16,399
They plant plenty of palm trees. I went to Oblique

1981
01:41:16,439 --> 01:41:19,479
parking Lot yesterday to get a swimsuit for my daughter

1982
01:41:19,520 --> 01:41:22,199
because we were gonna go swimming, and you know, we

1983
01:41:22,279 --> 01:41:25,399
had to go to targe and there's no trees there

1984
01:41:25,439 --> 01:41:29,600
except palm trees. These the most the most useless tree.

1985
01:41:30,239 --> 01:41:33,520
It doesn't help water infiltrate, there's no canopy. They don't

1986
01:41:33,560 --> 01:41:37,520
do anything. It's more of this just unthinking garbage man.

1987
01:41:37,560 --> 01:41:39,560
It's like I saw the same thing in Phoenix. They

1988
01:41:39,680 --> 01:41:42,760
love palm trees in Phoenix. They're beating you over the

1989
01:41:42,840 --> 01:41:46,479
head with palm trees in Phoenix. Doesn't make any sense

1990
01:41:46,600 --> 01:41:49,279
to be planting, to using, to be using palm trees

1991
01:41:49,840 --> 01:41:51,039
as urban infrastructure.

1992
01:41:51,680 --> 01:41:51,800
Speaker 3: Right.

1993
01:41:52,000 --> 01:41:55,600
Speaker 1: Our native palm actually can give habitat because the skirt

1994
01:41:55,640 --> 01:41:58,119
of dead leaves houses bats and owls, which help keep

1995
01:41:58,159 --> 01:42:01,119
pest populations down. But they never plant the native palm.

1996
01:42:01,199 --> 01:42:04,920
They never plant sable Mexicana. They plant Washingtonias, which are

1997
01:42:04,960 --> 01:42:07,359
from the Mojave Desert where they only grow an oasis

1998
01:42:07,439 --> 01:42:10,279
is and they're beautiful there, but they they're again, they're

1999
01:42:10,479 --> 01:42:13,680
they're growing in like narrow desert canyons. Right, they're cool

2000
01:42:13,800 --> 01:42:16,199
as a part of that habitat. They don't do anything here.

2001
01:42:17,079 --> 01:42:19,920
It's it's just boggles the mind. And so you've just

2002
01:42:20,000 --> 01:42:23,479
got these open heat islands, and especially here, like nobody

2003
01:42:23,520 --> 01:42:26,560
seems to care, Nobody thinks about it, nobody goes outside anyway.

2004
01:42:27,199 --> 01:42:30,039
I tried walking to the coffee shop today. I fucking

2005
01:42:30,159 --> 01:42:31,600
I just gave up and said, fuck it. It was

2006
01:42:31,640 --> 01:42:34,800
too hot. It's ninety eight degrees seventy five percent humidity.

2007
01:42:35,479 --> 01:42:37,640
It's only an eight or ten block walk, but there's

2008
01:42:37,720 --> 01:42:39,399
no shade. So I just said, fuck it, I'm just

2009
01:42:39,439 --> 01:42:41,560
gonna drive. I got shit to do, I don't have

2010
01:42:41,760 --> 01:42:44,039
I don't want to roast in the sun. I'm not

2011
01:42:44,159 --> 01:42:45,800
in the mood. I didn't sleep too well last night

2012
01:42:45,840 --> 01:42:49,479
worrying about this rotting wall, and so fucking I'm just gonna.

2013
01:42:50,119 --> 01:42:55,439
I'm just gonna. I'm just gonna drive. Right, So I'm driving,

2014
01:42:55,840 --> 01:42:58,079
you know, at eight block distance, which is pathetic. That's

2015
01:42:58,119 --> 01:42:59,880
a very texting thing to do, by the way, it's

2016
01:43:00,439 --> 01:43:03,560
it's because especially because there's in most places there's no

2017
01:43:03,640 --> 01:43:07,000
infrastructure set up to walk anyway. But you know, being

2018
01:43:07,680 --> 01:43:10,640
seeing Brad's neighborhood gave me just a little shred of

2019
01:43:10,680 --> 01:43:12,840
hope how things could be different. Here's a perfect model

2020
01:43:12,880 --> 01:43:15,359
for what can be done. So it's gonna be like

2021
01:43:15,439 --> 01:43:18,239
a four or five video series. The first two videos

2022
01:43:18,479 --> 01:43:20,920
should be out when this podcast. The first one's already out,

2023
01:43:20,920 --> 01:43:23,520
the second one should be out when this podcast airs.

2024
01:43:24,119 --> 01:43:28,319
And then it did another video just on his house,

2025
01:43:28,399 --> 01:43:34,000
like his evaporative cooler, the shit composter, he's got, you know,

2026
01:43:34,159 --> 01:43:37,520
his like edible gardens, he's got cassama Edgilist the white

2027
01:43:37,560 --> 01:43:40,279
sappothe which is in the citrus family Rutasi. But the

2028
01:43:40,319 --> 01:43:43,039
fruit doesn't taste like a citrus at all. It's like

2029
01:43:43,079 --> 01:43:47,359
a banana, custard kind of papa taste to it. It's

2030
01:43:47,560 --> 01:43:50,279
one of my favorite fruits. It's so incredibly delicious. And

2031
01:43:50,359 --> 01:43:53,039
it's a drought tolerant plant too, it's drought deciduous. I

2032
01:43:53,119 --> 01:43:55,760
can't believe more people are not planting that species. It's

2033
01:43:55,920 --> 01:43:58,119
it's wild to me. You know, that should be like

2034
01:43:58,199 --> 01:44:02,199
a choice, choice plant. And it's from Mexico too, so

2035
01:44:03,000 --> 01:44:05,399
it's not you know, the worst invasives generally come from

2036
01:44:05,439 --> 01:44:09,439
other continents, not from only a few hundred miles south.

2037
01:44:09,640 --> 01:44:14,319
So it's basically it's basically like a like a regionally

2038
01:44:14,479 --> 01:44:17,319
native plant if you live in the southwestern United States

2039
01:44:17,880 --> 01:44:21,680
and nobody plants it. It's it's so it's so wild,

2040
01:44:21,760 --> 01:44:23,479
and I think like all of them taste good. I

2041
01:44:23,479 --> 01:44:25,760
don't think it's like a phenotypic thing where one one

2042
01:44:25,840 --> 01:44:27,880
tree might produce good tasting fruit in the other does

2043
01:44:27,880 --> 01:44:29,760
and I think they all I think there's pretty uniform

2044
01:44:29,880 --> 01:44:33,640
consistency across all the different phenotypes in this in the

2045
01:44:33,720 --> 01:44:37,439
species for fruit taste, so Anyway, the whole the whole

2046
01:44:37,479 --> 01:44:41,680
project was pretty remarkable to see everything that dude is

2047
01:44:41,720 --> 01:44:44,560
doing is is such a good example of what could

2048
01:44:44,560 --> 01:44:46,960
be done in other cities and what should be done

2049
01:44:46,960 --> 01:44:50,319
in other cities. Right, Like you should have prairie prairie

2050
01:44:50,399 --> 01:44:53,039
plant things on this on you know, the hell strips

2051
01:44:53,079 --> 01:44:56,920
in Chicago. It's in certain neighborhoods you should have, you know,

2052
01:44:57,079 --> 01:45:01,159
certainly along the freeways, you know, native savannahs. I mean,

2053
01:45:01,640 --> 01:45:04,399
the world could be so different. All we have to

2054
01:45:04,439 --> 01:45:06,760
do is break out of this this mindset that we've

2055
01:45:06,800 --> 01:45:11,880
all been indoctrinated in, especially people that you know, work

2056
01:45:11,960 --> 01:45:14,840
for cities, which is that you know, all the only

2057
01:45:14,920 --> 01:45:19,119
plants that should be around human developments or human habitations

2058
01:45:19,399 --> 01:45:23,439
or in cities in general. Are you know, the landscaping,

2059
01:45:23,520 --> 01:45:28,319
horticultural atrocities, like everything neatly hedged, everything a cultivar, everything

2060
01:45:28,439 --> 01:45:32,520
purchased at a commercial nursery. Shit that you know, evolved

2061
01:45:32,560 --> 01:45:35,720
six thousand miles away. I mean, all that shit just

2062
01:45:35,840 --> 01:45:39,359
looks whack as hell, right, That's it's just fucking bleak.

2063
01:45:39,479 --> 01:45:43,239
It's stupid. It's fairy tale garden shit, it's golf course landscaping.

2064
01:45:43,640 --> 01:45:48,840
It's fucking Epstein island landscaping. It's it's ridiculous. I hate

2065
01:45:48,880 --> 01:45:50,600
seeing shit like that. I hated shit like that since

2066
01:45:50,640 --> 01:45:52,560
I was a kid. It looks bland, it looks boring,

2067
01:45:53,239 --> 01:45:56,159
doesn't do anything for anyone. It's none of it's edible,

2068
01:45:56,479 --> 01:45:59,079
none of it's useful to wildlife, none of it brings

2069
01:45:59,119 --> 01:46:02,000
in wildlife. It's all dead zone. It's dead zone shit.

2070
01:46:02,039 --> 01:46:05,880
It's suicide landscaping, right, just like I said before, because

2071
01:46:05,920 --> 01:46:07,880
it makes you feel like it makes you feel like

2072
01:46:07,920 --> 01:46:11,000
committing suicide when you're in it, and it's ecological suicide

2073
01:46:11,399 --> 01:46:13,560
to continue planting that shit. You got to bring back

2074
01:46:14,039 --> 01:46:17,159
the native living world around you and learn how to

2075
01:46:17,279 --> 01:46:20,520
steward it in a way that works for people. It's

2076
01:46:20,640 --> 01:46:22,359
not that hard to do, and you're not going to

2077
01:46:22,439 --> 01:46:25,199
figure it out unless you start doing it. And every

2078
01:46:25,279 --> 01:46:27,640
time you hear some knob or some dipshit say it's

2079
01:46:27,760 --> 01:46:31,520
you know, it's messy or it looks like shit, right,

2080
01:46:31,640 --> 01:46:37,520
you gotta just I mean, i'd say ridicule. What point

2081
01:46:37,520 --> 01:46:37,840
them out?

2082
01:46:37,920 --> 01:46:37,960
Speaker 3: Like?

2083
01:46:38,000 --> 01:46:41,479
Speaker 1: What about it? Like there's no this is just pragmatism,

2084
01:46:41,600 --> 01:46:44,039
Like why does everything need to look like a hurged

2085
01:46:44,840 --> 01:46:47,439
a hedged berberous. Why does everything need to look like

2086
01:46:48,159 --> 01:46:51,039
some fucking oleander. Why are we planting palm trems? They

2087
01:46:51,079 --> 01:46:53,680
don't do anything. Does anyone stop and think about this?

2088
01:46:53,800 --> 01:46:58,039
Why are we planting non native palms? Why auld they're skinny?

2089
01:46:58,119 --> 01:47:00,600
They don't provide a lot of service area, They don't

2090
01:47:00,600 --> 01:47:02,600
provide any shade for parking lots? Are we doing it

2091
01:47:02,720 --> 01:47:05,720
just because it implies this idea of paradise because everything's

2092
01:47:05,800 --> 01:47:08,640
just been the only reason most stuff has been planted

2093
01:47:09,159 --> 01:47:12,479
is again based on esthetic, And that's the aesthetic that

2094
01:47:12,520 --> 01:47:15,199
they're basing it on. Isn't even a local one. It's

2095
01:47:15,359 --> 01:47:19,840
candy ass English Victorian garden bullshit, it's Spanish colonial garden shit.

2096
01:47:20,199 --> 01:47:23,640
It's this Tuscan villa gardening. That's a really bad aesthetic.

2097
01:47:23,680 --> 01:47:27,279
People try to fucking attach themselves too, right, just unthinking

2098
01:47:27,439 --> 01:47:31,039
landscaping stuff. And it's even more offensive that people go

2099
01:47:31,159 --> 01:47:32,800
to school to learn this stuff, Like what are these

2100
01:47:32,800 --> 01:47:36,279
fucking landscapers learn in school? They don't learn about plants

2101
01:47:36,279 --> 01:47:40,119
as infrastructure, they learn about design, They learn about esthetics,

2102
01:47:40,199 --> 01:47:43,760
all subjective shit that doesn't matter, right. Some people think

2103
01:47:43,880 --> 01:47:48,000
that people who have lip fillers in botox are attractive.

2104
01:47:48,119 --> 01:47:50,680
Other people look at them, those kinds of people and

2105
01:47:50,840 --> 01:47:54,960
think they look like a lizard. Just two different esthetics.

2106
01:47:55,000 --> 01:47:57,439
Why are we going with this aesthetic that's not rooted

2107
01:47:57,600 --> 01:48:01,680
in anything practical? That ben if it's anybody, it's just

2108
01:48:01,960 --> 01:48:05,359
looks alone and it's shitty looks too. It's unthinking. So anyway,

2109
01:48:05,760 --> 01:48:08,000
that's my spiel. That's also a lot of the tour,

2110
01:48:08,840 --> 01:48:11,359
the presentations I've been giving. So if you want to

2111
01:48:11,399 --> 01:48:14,199
hear me run my mouth for two hours, talk some shit,

2112
01:48:14,319 --> 01:48:16,800
throw some jokes out there, and also teach you about

2113
01:48:16,800 --> 01:48:18,880
some really cool plants from all over the globe. All

2114
01:48:18,920 --> 01:48:21,159
this shit is part of that tour two hour presentation.

2115
01:48:21,840 --> 01:48:24,439
Hit up Alscorch at gmail dot com or you can

2116
01:48:24,520 --> 01:48:27,279
email me and we'll book some shows. Again. We're thinking

2117
01:48:27,279 --> 01:48:31,319
about an East Coast tour. We're thinking about maybe a

2118
01:48:31,399 --> 01:48:35,399
Northwest tour. I don't know, it just depends where we

2119
01:48:35,520 --> 01:48:38,560
can make it out to them, and so I think

2120
01:48:38,640 --> 01:48:40,880
East Coast would be really good. East Coast really needs

2121
01:48:40,960 --> 01:48:44,119
to hear it more than anywhere else because the botanic

2122
01:48:44,159 --> 01:48:46,359
gardens you see on the East Coast all promulgate this

2123
01:48:46,560 --> 01:48:49,520
kind of aesthetic I was just talking about before the

2124
01:48:49,600 --> 01:48:52,760
woods are generally the shitty woods. It's where the Death

2125
01:48:52,800 --> 01:48:54,840
Cult's been the longest, you know, that's where the death

2126
01:48:54,880 --> 01:48:57,960
Cult landed, this idea that we're better than nature, that

2127
01:48:58,159 --> 01:49:00,960
we don't need it, that we need to dominate and

2128
01:49:01,079 --> 01:49:04,640
control it, and we can improve it rather than steward

2129
01:49:04,680 --> 01:49:07,079
it and learn from it. That kind of shit. It's

2130
01:49:07,159 --> 01:49:09,520
that mentality has been on the East Coast the longest,

2131
01:49:09,920 --> 01:49:11,439
so they've had a lot more time to get to

2132
01:49:11,479 --> 01:49:14,159
work fucking it up over there. So maybe we'll do

2133
01:49:14,279 --> 01:49:15,840
the East Coast, but we got a book shows, if

2134
01:49:15,840 --> 01:49:19,039
you know, venues we'll do. I mean, it's almost better

2135
01:49:19,119 --> 01:49:21,359
for us to stay away from the botanic gardens because

2136
01:49:21,359 --> 01:49:23,079
they can be really hard to work with. Their pr

2137
01:49:23,159 --> 01:49:25,439
teams are normally a pain in the ass. And instead

2138
01:49:25,520 --> 01:49:29,039
work it, you know, work with like breweries or show

2139
01:49:29,119 --> 01:49:32,479
spaces ever. I mean, we played Crescent Ballroom in Phoenix

2140
01:49:33,199 --> 01:49:35,479
just now. That's like a big you know, it's like

2141
01:49:35,560 --> 01:49:39,520
a bar and show space that did the Troubadour, which

2142
01:49:39,600 --> 01:49:42,199
was a little weird because it's like a famous you know,

2143
01:49:42,279 --> 01:49:45,479
I think Bowie played there. I know, a bunch of

2144
01:49:45,560 --> 01:49:47,960
punk rock bands from La and the back in the

2145
01:49:48,039 --> 01:49:52,279
day played The Troubadour, but that was actually great too.

2146
01:49:52,319 --> 01:49:54,640
We had like two hundred and twenty person turnout. It's

2147
01:49:54,640 --> 01:49:56,479
the only show that didn't sell out, but it's la

2148
01:49:56,560 --> 01:49:58,119
and it's a rock clib so I was surprised we

2149
01:49:58,199 --> 01:50:01,760
even had the draw that we did were we played

2150
01:50:01,800 --> 01:50:05,399
Congress Theater in our Congress Hotel. That was a three,

2151
01:50:06,079 --> 01:50:10,239
three hundred and twenty persons sold out show in Tucson. Yeah,

2152
01:50:10,239 --> 01:50:11,800
it's been a good it's been a good run. And

2153
01:50:11,840 --> 01:50:15,039
then we did like a more actual, more more of

2154
01:50:15,119 --> 01:50:18,479
what is considered like an actual convention space presenting center

2155
01:50:18,560 --> 01:50:21,520
in San Diego, which was so great. Everyone there was

2156
01:50:21,560 --> 01:50:25,840
so fucking lovely. What a wonderful town. So yeah, if

2157
01:50:25,840 --> 01:50:28,199
you if you got leads on anything like that, bars

2158
01:50:28,359 --> 01:50:32,039
or show spaces, breweries, venues whatever that normally host bands

2159
01:50:32,119 --> 01:50:34,239
or whatever, let us know and we'll find that. Reach

2160
01:50:34,279 --> 01:50:37,000
out to us. We'll book an East coast tour Pittsburgh,

2161
01:50:37,359 --> 01:50:41,920
We're looking anywhere, fucking Cincinnati, We'll go anywhere right anywhere.

2162
01:50:41,920 --> 01:50:45,800
It's it's got the you know, got the space. We

2163
01:50:45,880 --> 01:50:48,800
definitely need like two or three two two to three

2164
01:50:48,840 --> 01:50:52,199
hundred person capacity for you know, the two to three

2165
01:50:52,239 --> 01:50:55,119
hundred people at least larger if we can make it work.

2166
01:50:55,319 --> 01:50:57,880
So anyway, all right, well hopefully you got some out

2167
01:50:57,920 --> 01:51:00,439
of that. And uh, you know rantis alway, but I

2168
01:51:00,439 --> 01:51:02,319
guess that's why you listen sometimes. What are you doing,

2169
01:51:02,319 --> 01:51:05,640
You're fucking at work, you're driving anyway, you know it

2170
01:51:05,720 --> 01:51:07,920
doesn't matter. I bet you know you'll forget half the

2171
01:51:07,960 --> 01:51:10,159
shit I said. Anyway, It's okay, that's what podcasts are for,

2172
01:51:10,359 --> 01:51:13,199
just something to distract the mind from the ongoing dystopia. Anyway,

2173
01:51:13,239 --> 01:51:15,479
that's all I got. Have a good rest of the day.

2174
01:51:15,520 --> 01:51:16,159
Go fuck you, stup By