WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.120 --> 00:00:03.080 What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the 2 00:00:03.080 --> 00:00:06.360 Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to pick up 3 00:00:06.360 --> 00:00:09.839 where we left off with the Leslie Groff transcript from 4 00:00:09.880 --> 00:00:13.480 her interview with Congress, and now we have mister Lynch 5 00:00:14.039 --> 00:00:17.760 asking the questions. Okay, ms Groff, thank you for your 6 00:00:17.760 --> 00:00:21.359 willingness to be interviewed. You said early in the Republican 7 00:00:21.440 --> 00:00:24.800 Hour that your relationship with Jeffrey Epstein you really didn't 8 00:00:24.839 --> 00:00:27.920 have a relationship, You wouldn't call it a relationship. And 9 00:00:27.960 --> 00:00:31.320 you said in this hour that he basically kept you 10 00:00:31.359 --> 00:00:34.640 on the outside and you didn't have a connection with him. 11 00:00:35.159 --> 00:00:37.200 I want to refer to a New York Times article 12 00:00:37.439 --> 00:00:41.159 on February fifth, two thousand and five, if co Council 13 00:00:41.240 --> 00:00:45.719 wants copies of that, I made some mister Wickham is 14 00:00:45.799 --> 00:00:49.320 the word brain in there, mister Lynch, Sorry, there are 15 00:00:49.320 --> 00:00:53.280 some others here if staff wants them. Mister adapted and sir, 16 00:00:53.520 --> 00:00:55.840 if you will hold on, we will enter this as 17 00:00:55.920 --> 00:01:00.359 minority Exhibit B. Mister Lynch, this is an New York 18 00:01:00.399 --> 00:01:03.479 Times article February fifth, two thousand and five by Lyndon 19 00:01:03.520 --> 00:01:06.280 Thomas Junior, and it sounds like they interviewed both of 20 00:01:06.280 --> 00:01:09.439 you and Jeffrey Epstein in the article. I'll just go 21 00:01:09.519 --> 00:01:12.920 to the bottom paragraph which is highlighted. This is an article, 22 00:01:13.280 --> 00:01:16.840 the title of which is working for Top Bosses on 23 00:01:16.879 --> 00:01:20.959 Wall Street has its perks. When it comes to discussing 24 00:01:21.000 --> 00:01:24.319 Jeffrey Epstein, it says, then there's the case of Jeffrey Epstein, 25 00:01:24.519 --> 00:01:27.560 who pays his three executive assistants more than two hundred 26 00:01:27.599 --> 00:01:30.640 thousand a year. It goes on to say a finance 27 00:01:30.719 --> 00:01:35.959 here who they manage his executive his three women executive team, 28 00:01:36.040 --> 00:01:39.359 which manages his hectic life to go globe trotting and 29 00:01:39.439 --> 00:01:43.879 hobnobbing with the likes of former President Bill Clinton. It 30 00:01:43.920 --> 00:01:46.879 goes on to say, on the next page, he calls them, 31 00:01:47.000 --> 00:01:50.359 meaning his you as part of his executive team, a 32 00:01:50.359 --> 00:01:54.640 social prostesis. So something attached the limb of who he is, 33 00:01:55.200 --> 00:01:58.480 with an intuitive knowledge of his manifold needs and a 34 00:01:58.560 --> 00:02:01.560 twenty four hour presence that make them virtually indispensable to 35 00:02:01.599 --> 00:02:05.400 his personal and business success, he said. It goes on 36 00:02:05.480 --> 00:02:08.759 to say, again referring to you and the other two assistants, 37 00:02:09.800 --> 00:02:12.520 they are an extension of my brain. Said mister Ebstein, 38 00:02:12.680 --> 00:02:16.360 who rarely talks publicly. Their intuition is something that I 39 00:02:16.400 --> 00:02:19.840 don't have. It goes with more some details than it 40 00:02:19.879 --> 00:02:22.520 goes on to say. The reporter says, when one of them, 41 00:02:22.599 --> 00:02:25.520 Leslie Groff, who was thirty eight, became pregnant last year 42 00:02:25.800 --> 00:02:28.800 and talked of leaving, he bought her a Mercedes Benz 43 00:02:28.919 --> 00:02:32.080 E three twenty to make her commuting easier and agreed 44 00:02:32.120 --> 00:02:34.120 to pay for a full time nanny so that she 45 00:02:34.159 --> 00:02:37.319 could keep working for him. And then there's a quote 46 00:02:37.360 --> 00:02:40.360 here by mister Epstein. There's no way I could lose 47 00:02:40.439 --> 00:02:44.000 Leslie in a motherhood, said mister Ebstein, who is nearly 48 00:02:44.000 --> 00:02:46.280 in his who is in his early fifties, and as 49 00:02:46.319 --> 00:02:49.919 a bachelor. Going further to just the last page, the 50 00:02:50.000 --> 00:02:52.919 last page, the third paragraph from the bottom. I'm sorry, 51 00:02:53.240 --> 00:02:55.439 let's go to the last two lines here, the last 52 00:02:55.439 --> 00:02:58.560 two paragraphs. Miss Groff said that she thought both she 53 00:02:58.680 --> 00:03:01.879 and miss Lee, one of them the other two executive assistants, 54 00:03:02.039 --> 00:03:02.919 were worth the price. 55 00:03:03.400 --> 00:03:04.199 Here's the quote. 56 00:03:04.199 --> 00:03:06.719 This is from you. It comes down to the bond, 57 00:03:06.960 --> 00:03:09.960 said miss Groff, a graduate of the University of Texas, 58 00:03:10.000 --> 00:03:13.120 who's been with mister Epstein four or four years. A 59 00:03:13.199 --> 00:03:15.919 further quote by you. I know what he's thinking, and 60 00:03:16.000 --> 00:03:18.360 I know when I need to be fast. It's a 61 00:03:18.400 --> 00:03:21.879 nice role that we're on. Now, that's what the reporter 62 00:03:22.000 --> 00:03:25.639 said that you said. Have you ever requested or adaction 63 00:03:26.080 --> 00:03:28.800 or recanted any of this that was printed in the 64 00:03:29.000 --> 00:03:32.919 New York Times? Mis Groff, No, Lynch, you haven't disputed 65 00:03:32.960 --> 00:03:36.199 that Graff. No, Lynch. It makes it hard to believe 66 00:03:36.439 --> 00:03:39.520 that there's no connection when he's talking about you as 67 00:03:39.560 --> 00:03:42.719 part of him and a prosthesis, and you know, part 68 00:03:42.719 --> 00:03:45.000 of his operation. And how long did you work for 69 00:03:45.120 --> 00:03:48.800 mister Epstein beginning to end Groff February of two thousand 70 00:03:48.840 --> 00:03:52.479 and one to July of twenty nineteen. Mister Lynch, So 71 00:03:52.639 --> 00:03:56.520 eighteen years? Is that correct, miss Groff, Yes, question by 72 00:03:56.520 --> 00:03:59.319 mister Lynch. Yeah. It's hard to believe that somebody who 73 00:03:59.400 --> 00:04:01.919 worked with somebody for eighteen years and then they say 74 00:04:01.919 --> 00:04:04.520 that they don't have a relationship, especially when we have 75 00:04:04.599 --> 00:04:09.199 earlier statements. Let me also ask, now, when you went 76 00:04:09.240 --> 00:04:13.000 to work for mister Epstein, he was a registered sex offender, 77 00:04:13.319 --> 00:04:14.199 isn't that correct? 78 00:04:14.840 --> 00:04:15.479 Mis Groff? 79 00:04:16.079 --> 00:04:18.199 That was after I started working for him that he 80 00:04:18.240 --> 00:04:22.480 became a registered sex offender. Mister Lynch. Yeah, stuff going on, 81 00:04:22.680 --> 00:04:26.160 and then he was his conviction became final. He did 82 00:04:26.199 --> 00:04:29.920 what thirteen months in prison? No, thirteen months in the stockade? 83 00:04:29.959 --> 00:04:30.439 You mean. 84 00:04:33.319 --> 00:04:35.720 Groff, correct, Lynch, And. 85 00:04:35.560 --> 00:04:37.680 You were responsible at making sure that he lived up 86 00:04:37.680 --> 00:04:39.800 to his restrictions as a sex offender. 87 00:04:39.839 --> 00:04:40.199 Correct. 88 00:04:40.720 --> 00:04:44.560 He had reporting, travel requirements, he had no contact requirements. 89 00:04:45.240 --> 00:04:47.800 So actually you sort of made sure that he was 90 00:04:47.839 --> 00:04:52.439 compliant with his status as a registered sex offender, Miss Groff. No, 91 00:04:52.560 --> 00:04:55.079 I did not. I was not the one in charge 92 00:04:55.120 --> 00:04:57.600 of making sure. I did remind him that he needed 93 00:04:57.600 --> 00:04:59.759 to register when it was that time of year, that 94 00:05:00.079 --> 00:05:02.360 as part of his directive to remind him. But I 95 00:05:02.360 --> 00:05:05.040 had nothing to do with she gets cut off by 96 00:05:05.040 --> 00:05:07.959 mister Lynch. It says here that you dealt with several 97 00:05:08.000 --> 00:05:11.800 tasks related to his status as sex offender. Those included 98 00:05:11.839 --> 00:05:15.879 sending reminders to update his registration status and photograph, and 99 00:05:15.920 --> 00:05:19.079 attempting to get him a Russian visa despite his status 100 00:05:19.279 --> 00:05:20.079 as an offender. 101 00:05:21.120 --> 00:05:21.720 Miss Groff. 102 00:05:21.839 --> 00:05:23.759 All I did was remind him that it was time 103 00:05:23.800 --> 00:05:26.560 for him to get Mister Lynch cuts her off. But 104 00:05:26.680 --> 00:05:30.480 your earlier statement that now mister Whitcomb jumps in, Sir 105 00:05:30.920 --> 00:05:33.399 can Will you just let her finish her response, please. 106 00:05:34.120 --> 00:05:35.839 She has tried a couple of times to respond to 107 00:05:35.879 --> 00:05:38.199 your question and she hasn't been able to finish it. 108 00:05:38.839 --> 00:05:42.079 Mister Lynch, Okay, have had it all right, mims Groff. 109 00:05:42.519 --> 00:05:44.639 All I did was remind them on a schedule that 110 00:05:44.680 --> 00:05:46.639 he was supposed to go and register if he was 111 00:05:46.639 --> 00:05:49.959 in pom Beach. I think that was the standard, and 112 00:05:50.079 --> 00:05:52.600 I was directed by him to include that on his schedule. 113 00:05:53.279 --> 00:05:55.959 I did not make any appointments for him to go register. 114 00:05:56.360 --> 00:05:58.600 He did that on his own if you went to 115 00:05:58.639 --> 00:06:01.680 pom Beach. I believe it was once a year, and 116 00:06:01.800 --> 00:06:03.639 I was told to remind him three months ahead of 117 00:06:03.720 --> 00:06:06.120 the time, two months ahead of time, and then after 118 00:06:06.160 --> 00:06:09.759 that every other week or something like that. It was, 119 00:06:09.879 --> 00:06:13.920 But that was all I ever did, mister Lynch. You realize, however, 120 00:06:14.000 --> 00:06:16.759 that having knowledge of that certainly is not consistent with 121 00:06:16.839 --> 00:06:19.920 your earlier statement that there was a vague awareness on 122 00:06:19.959 --> 00:06:22.800 your part about what mister Epstein was charged with and 123 00:06:22.839 --> 00:06:25.199 what his status was and what he was guilty of 124 00:06:25.959 --> 00:06:29.000 at the same time that you were scheduling massages for 125 00:06:29.040 --> 00:06:32.040 young women with a registered sex offender. And yet you 126 00:06:32.120 --> 00:06:35.800 maintain that you didn't see anything improper in that, and 127 00:06:35.879 --> 00:06:39.120 you've said that multiple times, sending young women to give 128 00:06:39.160 --> 00:06:42.480 a massage to a registered sex offender, and you yet 129 00:06:42.920 --> 00:06:45.959 you tell the committee and you tell others that you 130 00:06:46.000 --> 00:06:48.560 saw nothing improper with that. I just find it it 131 00:06:48.680 --> 00:06:52.519 just hurts your credibility, mister Backner. With all due respect, 132 00:06:52.519 --> 00:06:55.480 the record speaks for what she said. I don't believe 133 00:06:55.560 --> 00:06:58.600 that's an accurate characterization of what she said. But go ahead, 134 00:06:59.079 --> 00:07:03.279 mister Lynch. Okay, mister Wickham. And it's also please just 135 00:07:03.279 --> 00:07:05.920 bear hear me out. She's here as a witness. She's 136 00:07:05.959 --> 00:07:08.199 not an attorney like me and you, sir. She's not 137 00:07:08.279 --> 00:07:11.240 familiar with all the legal jargon and the legal leads 138 00:07:11.279 --> 00:07:15.199 regarding a guilty plea, So that should respectfully be born 139 00:07:15.240 --> 00:07:18.399 in mind. Mister Lynch. Well, I appreciate that. But she 140 00:07:18.519 --> 00:07:22.720 is a witness, mister witcom sure, mister Lynch, And she's 141 00:07:22.759 --> 00:07:25.240 at the hub of this, at the very hub of this. 142 00:07:26.519 --> 00:07:28.959 She has contact with all the people, all the victims, 143 00:07:29.240 --> 00:07:31.319 the high powered people. She's at the hub of all 144 00:07:31.360 --> 00:07:34.279 of this. She's a very important witness, and we're trying 145 00:07:34.319 --> 00:07:36.240 to get to the truth, get at the truth on 146 00:07:36.279 --> 00:07:38.879 behalf of these victims who I think we agree, we 147 00:07:38.959 --> 00:07:42.959 feel deeply for, and so that's the mission here. I'm 148 00:07:43.000 --> 00:07:46.079 over my time and so I have to relinquish it 149 00:07:46.240 --> 00:07:48.399 until we do another hour. But thank you, I yield, 150 00:07:48.959 --> 00:07:52.759 mister Garcia, just briefly. We're going to continue this questioning 151 00:07:52.759 --> 00:07:55.360 in the next hour. But just miss Groff, it's been 152 00:07:55.399 --> 00:07:58.360 reported by the Wall Street Journal that mar A Lavo 153 00:07:58.480 --> 00:08:01.839 was sending spawn employees, usually young women, to Epstein's Palm 154 00:08:01.920 --> 00:08:05.319 Beach home to provide massages. We know that Glenn Maxwell 155 00:08:05.319 --> 00:08:09.439 was accused of recruiting and trafficking survivors as well. Do 156 00:08:09.480 --> 00:08:12.240 you recall any of this when you were working employed 157 00:08:12.240 --> 00:08:17.000 by mister Epstein, Miss Groff, No, mister Garcia, So did 158 00:08:17.079 --> 00:08:19.800 you ever schedule any appointments for mar A Lago, or 159 00:08:19.839 --> 00:08:22.319 through mar A Lago, for mar A Lago employees to 160 00:08:22.319 --> 00:08:25.959 come to Epstein's home and provide any sort of spa services, 161 00:08:26.399 --> 00:08:30.399 Miss Groff. Know Garcia, So, as far as your work 162 00:08:30.600 --> 00:08:32.840 is considered through the Wall Street Journal, we've seen the 163 00:08:32.879 --> 00:08:36.279 Wall Street Journal reporting that there was actually women being 164 00:08:36.320 --> 00:08:39.639 brought in from mar A Lago. That's something that you 165 00:08:39.679 --> 00:08:44.080 had no interaction with. And never heard about, correct, Miss Groff, 166 00:08:44.120 --> 00:08:48.039 That is correct, mister Garcia. Is there anyone that you 167 00:08:48.159 --> 00:08:51.120 think would have information about who was actually connecting these 168 00:08:51.120 --> 00:08:54.080 women from mar A Lago to mister Epstein? Miss Groff, 169 00:08:54.120 --> 00:08:57.639 I don't know, Garcia, so you wouldn't have any Could 170 00:08:57.720 --> 00:09:00.720 you maybe think who would be a person or two 171 00:09:00.960 --> 00:09:03.519 that would be making these connections? Do you have any idea, 172 00:09:03.960 --> 00:09:06.480 Miss Groth? I would think Miss Maxwell was with him 173 00:09:06.519 --> 00:09:08.679 in Palm Beach, but I don't know that for sure. 174 00:09:08.799 --> 00:09:09.279 I don't know. 175 00:09:09.879 --> 00:09:14.399 Mister Garcia will have additional questions later misredacted. That's it 176 00:09:14.399 --> 00:09:17.480 for now, and we'll go off the record. Back on 177 00:09:17.519 --> 00:09:21.799 the record now, and it's miss Tolan asking the questions question. 178 00:09:21.840 --> 00:09:24.080 I'm just going to ask a few clarifying questions that 179 00:09:24.200 --> 00:09:27.039 focus on what we asked you during our first round. 180 00:09:27.519 --> 00:09:30.799 So to begin with, we discuss the physical phone directories 181 00:09:31.000 --> 00:09:34.200 with the list and the names, and then you also 182 00:09:34.320 --> 00:09:37.360 mentioned that there was an electronic version of that. Is 183 00:09:37.399 --> 00:09:37.960 that correct? 184 00:09:38.720 --> 00:09:39.080 Answer? 185 00:09:39.159 --> 00:09:42.720 Correct question? And I believe I asked you already, But 186 00:09:43.159 --> 00:09:46.600 you don't know the platform or the database that electronic 187 00:09:46.720 --> 00:09:49.840 one was stored on the Citrix sound familiar to you? 188 00:09:50.759 --> 00:09:54.879 Answer it does now question yes, answer because I heard 189 00:09:54.960 --> 00:09:57.639 Sarah say that. Question okay. And do you know does 190 00:09:57.679 --> 00:09:59.639 that ring a bell? Is that what it was stored on? 191 00:10:00.600 --> 00:10:04.720 Answer? I don't. I don't know. Question okay. 192 00:10:05.000 --> 00:10:07.279 And do you know where the backup information for those 193 00:10:07.320 --> 00:10:08.360 directories are stored? 194 00:10:08.840 --> 00:10:09.159 Answer? 195 00:10:09.200 --> 00:10:12.080 I don't know, question okay. And then in the previous 196 00:10:12.120 --> 00:10:16.200 hour you also mentioned, I believe, but who prepared the 197 00:10:16.279 --> 00:10:19.600 rooms for the massages at the New York residence. Answer 198 00:10:19.679 --> 00:10:21.840 I don't know. I would think a maid would be 199 00:10:21.919 --> 00:10:24.399 responsible for cleaning, but I don't know. I wasn't there. 200 00:10:25.360 --> 00:10:27.720 Question Do you know who set up the room in 201 00:10:27.879 --> 00:10:30.440 order for it to be ready for a massage? Answer 202 00:10:30.519 --> 00:10:33.960 no question? And I believe you mentioned individuals who would 203 00:10:34.000 --> 00:10:35.559 let the messuses into the property. 204 00:10:35.840 --> 00:10:36.879 Who did you say that was? 205 00:10:37.600 --> 00:10:41.399 Answer the people that answered the doors question yes, answer 206 00:10:41.679 --> 00:10:44.600 that would be the maid Lynn Fontania or her husband 207 00:10:44.679 --> 00:10:47.600 Jojo who was his driver, or possibly. 208 00:10:47.639 --> 00:10:49.919 It was really those two, but possibly it could be Rich. 209 00:10:49.799 --> 00:10:53.519 Barnett or I think also Buzz somebody in like New 210 00:10:53.559 --> 00:10:57.279 York apartment type of thing. Question and so those individuals 211 00:10:57.360 --> 00:11:00.519 would have to let the messuses into the property? Answer correct. 212 00:11:00.840 --> 00:11:04.799 Question did you on any occasion ever let any of 213 00:11:04.799 --> 00:11:08.159 them in answer, no question. Did you ever buzz any 214 00:11:08.200 --> 00:11:11.240 of them in like you just mentioned, answer, I don't 215 00:11:11.279 --> 00:11:13.399 know how to do that question. Did you ever have 216 00:11:13.480 --> 00:11:16.960 discussions with any of these individuals about the women they 217 00:11:16.960 --> 00:11:20.080 were seeing coming in and out of the property? Answer 218 00:11:20.159 --> 00:11:23.080 no question. And then I believe you briefly covered this 219 00:11:23.120 --> 00:11:25.559 as well. But did you ever pay money or cash 220 00:11:25.600 --> 00:11:30.279 to any of the messuse's Answer? I never directly paid anyone. 221 00:11:30.399 --> 00:11:32.919 It's possible that mister Epstein may have directed me to 222 00:11:32.960 --> 00:11:35.759 ask or adacted in the accounting department to put two 223 00:11:35.840 --> 00:11:38.919 hundred in an envelope to have picked up and messengered 224 00:11:39.120 --> 00:11:41.440 over to someone who had done some sort of job 225 00:11:41.519 --> 00:11:44.120 for mister Epstein, and that was either picked up by 226 00:11:44.120 --> 00:11:48.000 the messenger or Jojo. Mister Timmins, did you ever see 227 00:11:48.000 --> 00:11:49.200 a black bag of cash? 228 00:11:49.440 --> 00:11:49.799 Groff? 229 00:11:49.840 --> 00:11:53.279 A black bag, Timmins, a black bag that had cash 230 00:11:53.320 --> 00:11:57.440 in it Graff? No, Timmins, you never saw that Groff, 231 00:11:57.840 --> 00:12:01.039 no question. And the messenger did you know who the 232 00:12:01.039 --> 00:12:04.799 messenger was or was it he gets cut off by growth? 233 00:12:04.879 --> 00:12:07.320 It was a messenger service. I don't recall who the 234 00:12:07.320 --> 00:12:10.960 messenger service was. That was a long time ago. Question 235 00:12:11.159 --> 00:12:15.159 was the same messenger service always used? Answer? Probably, I 236 00:12:15.159 --> 00:12:17.200 mean there might have been a couple. I don't recall. 237 00:12:17.960 --> 00:12:21.200 Question did you ever meet anyone with the messengers? Answer 238 00:12:21.240 --> 00:12:24.159 no question. Did you ever have a conversation with any 239 00:12:24.200 --> 00:12:27.799 of them? Answer no question? And why was the cash 240 00:12:27.799 --> 00:12:28.960 given to these messuses? 241 00:12:30.279 --> 00:12:30.639 Answer? 242 00:12:31.080 --> 00:12:34.200 I just figured that's the way people get paid. Question 243 00:12:34.240 --> 00:12:37.360 And I guess more clarification, why cash as opposed to 244 00:12:37.440 --> 00:12:41.320 checks or any other form of payment? Answer? I don't know. 245 00:12:42.759 --> 00:12:45.000 All right, folks, we're gonna wrap up right here, and 246 00:12:45.080 --> 00:12:47.120 then the next episode dealing with the topic, we're gonna 247 00:12:47.159 --> 00:12:49.919 pick up where we left off. All the information that 248 00:12:49.960 --> 00:12:54.080 goes with this episode can be found in the description box. 249 00:12:54.399 --> 00:12:57.279 What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the 250 00:12:57.320 --> 00:13:00.440 Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to pick up 251 00:13:00.440 --> 00:13:04.519 where we left off with a Leslie Groff interview with Congress. 252 00:13:05.200 --> 00:13:08.799 Question and was Glenn Maxwell ever present in the room 253 00:13:08.960 --> 00:13:11.039 when mister Epstein was receiving a massage? 254 00:13:11.279 --> 00:13:11.600 Answer? 255 00:13:11.679 --> 00:13:14.960 I don't know. Question did miss Maxwell ever instruct any 256 00:13:14.960 --> 00:13:17.519 woman or a girl on how to give mister Epstein 257 00:13:17.519 --> 00:13:21.279 a massage? Answer? I don't know. Question was anyone else 258 00:13:21.320 --> 00:13:24.240 ever present in the room when mister Epstein was receiving 259 00:13:24.240 --> 00:13:28.759 a massage. Answer, I don't know. Question, as you testified 260 00:13:28.799 --> 00:13:31.559 to earlier. You began working for mister Epstein in two 261 00:13:31.559 --> 00:13:34.159 thousand and one. In two thousand and eight, he pleaded 262 00:13:34.159 --> 00:13:37.399 guilty to two felony accounts of soliciting and procuring a 263 00:13:37.440 --> 00:13:40.919 minor for prostitution. We'll get into the details of the 264 00:13:40.919 --> 00:13:44.519 investigation much more later, but the investigation into him began 265 00:13:44.559 --> 00:13:46.840 in two thousand and five while you were still working 266 00:13:46.879 --> 00:13:50.960 for mister Epstein. When did you first learn about the investigation? 267 00:13:51.720 --> 00:13:52.000 Answer? 268 00:13:52.080 --> 00:13:55.080 I believe it was two thousand and seven. Question and 269 00:13:55.159 --> 00:13:58.000 how did you learn? Answer because the FBI came to 270 00:13:58.039 --> 00:14:00.720 my door in Connecticut and handed to serve me a subpoena. 271 00:14:01.240 --> 00:14:04.159 Question and did you speak with them? Did you give 272 00:14:04.240 --> 00:14:07.320 testimony to them? Then? Answer? I let them into my 273 00:14:07.399 --> 00:14:10.120 house and sat them on my sofa and they started 274 00:14:10.120 --> 00:14:12.960 asking some questions, and yeah, that was it. That was 275 00:14:13.000 --> 00:14:17.519 how I found out. Question what questions did they ask? Answer? 276 00:14:17.559 --> 00:14:20.080 It was so long ago. I think they just asked 277 00:14:20.080 --> 00:14:22.159 if you know, they said that they were here. They 278 00:14:22.200 --> 00:14:24.720 were very friendly. They just said, you know, we're here 279 00:14:24.799 --> 00:14:28.159 because we understand you work for mister Epstein as a secretary, 280 00:14:28.480 --> 00:14:30.759 and we just want to talk to you. I really 281 00:14:30.799 --> 00:14:33.240 don't remember what they said. I think my head was 282 00:14:33.240 --> 00:14:37.639 probably spinning. I had no idea, Miss Brygnac. Question who 283 00:14:37.720 --> 00:14:38.320 did you speak to? 284 00:14:38.440 --> 00:14:38.720 Next? 285 00:14:39.120 --> 00:14:41.919 Answer my son who was with me because he had 286 00:14:41.960 --> 00:14:43.759 just gotten up from a nap. He was about two 287 00:14:43.759 --> 00:14:46.120 and a half to three years old. And I really 288 00:14:46.200 --> 00:14:48.240 didn't know what to do. So I went upstairs and 289 00:14:48.279 --> 00:14:50.759 I called Darren Endyke, who is the in house counsel, 290 00:14:51.120 --> 00:14:53.840 just to say that people are here. I don't, you know, 291 00:14:54.120 --> 00:14:56.320 I don't know what to do. And he just said 292 00:14:56.440 --> 00:14:58.919 you should not speak to them without an attorney. And 293 00:14:59.000 --> 00:15:02.799 I've watched enough TV. Okay, So I went downstairs and 294 00:15:02.840 --> 00:15:04.399 I said, I don't think I should be speaking to 295 00:15:04.440 --> 00:15:07.720 you without an attorney president, And they didn't really like that, 296 00:15:08.000 --> 00:15:11.039 and then they left. Question did you in fact retain 297 00:15:11.080 --> 00:15:14.480 an attorney? Answer? I did not retain an attorney myself. 298 00:15:15.000 --> 00:15:17.919 Mister Epstein got me an attorney and I went and 299 00:15:17.960 --> 00:15:18.600 spoke to him. 300 00:15:18.639 --> 00:15:18.919 Once. 301 00:15:19.559 --> 00:15:22.039 Question when you spoke to mister Indicke, did he seem 302 00:15:22.279 --> 00:15:26.000 privy to the investigation? Answer? No question, it was news 303 00:15:26.080 --> 00:15:29.480 to him. Answer, it sounded like it was news to him. Yeah, 304 00:15:29.879 --> 00:15:33.279 Miss Tolin. Did anyone ever instruct you besides without having 305 00:15:33.320 --> 00:15:36.120 an attorney, but did anyone generally instruct you not to 306 00:15:36.159 --> 00:15:37.080 talk to the FBI? 307 00:15:37.480 --> 00:15:37.840 Answer? 308 00:15:37.960 --> 00:15:38.080 No? 309 00:15:38.679 --> 00:15:39.039 Question? 310 00:15:39.240 --> 00:15:42.519 And at what point did the massages stop occurring for 311 00:15:42.679 --> 00:15:46.120 mister Epstein? Answer when he went to jail? Question in 312 00:15:46.200 --> 00:15:49.080 July of two thousand and six. Answer, No, he went 313 00:15:49.120 --> 00:15:51.080 to jail. When did he go to jail two thousand 314 00:15:51.120 --> 00:15:54.200 and nine, two thousand and eight, Yeah, Brignac. Did the 315 00:15:54.200 --> 00:15:56.759 massages stop occurring at that time? Miss Groff? 316 00:15:56.799 --> 00:15:57.279 Yeah? 317 00:15:57.559 --> 00:16:00.320 Question did they resume at any point after he was 318 00:16:00.360 --> 00:16:03.559 released from jail? Miss Groff? No, Mister Emmer, what was 319 00:16:03.600 --> 00:16:06.159 your understanding of why the massages stopped at that point? 320 00:16:06.399 --> 00:16:08.679 Miss Groff, you never said there was no reason. They 321 00:16:08.720 --> 00:16:12.120 just stopped. Mister Timmins when he was on work release. 322 00:16:12.600 --> 00:16:14.639 Did he not get massages when he was out of 323 00:16:14.720 --> 00:16:19.000 jail temporarily, Miss Groff? No, Brignac, I'm sorry, Miss Groff, 324 00:16:19.200 --> 00:16:22.200 you said they never resumed, Miss Groff, They did not 325 00:16:22.320 --> 00:16:24.960 resume after he got back or when he came got 326 00:16:25.000 --> 00:16:27.840 out of jail. Miss Brignac, you never booked a massage 327 00:16:27.840 --> 00:16:31.480 for mister Epstein once he was released from prison, Miss Groff, 328 00:16:31.519 --> 00:16:33.879 It's possible that there was a massage had a spawn 329 00:16:33.960 --> 00:16:37.480 pomp Beach don Wick that we discussed earlier. They had 330 00:16:37.519 --> 00:16:40.759 a medical chiropractic care spa, and I think that might 331 00:16:40.799 --> 00:16:43.000 have been one time. I think he bought like a 332 00:16:43.039 --> 00:16:47.799 package of ten for a nutritionist. They were nutritionists in 333 00:16:47.879 --> 00:16:52.279 chiropractic care, and don was also a registered massuse mister Timmins. 334 00:16:52.279 --> 00:16:55.519 So in twenty thirteen when you moved into the residence 335 00:16:55.679 --> 00:16:58.080 and your office was there, he never had you book 336 00:16:58.120 --> 00:17:01.000 a massage for him until he died in twenty nineteen, 337 00:17:01.679 --> 00:17:05.079 Miss Groff, that's correct, Miss Brignac. But he continued to 338 00:17:05.119 --> 00:17:08.319 receive massages correct? Did someone else book them, Miss Groff, 339 00:17:08.359 --> 00:17:10.599 Not that I know of. I don't know that massages 340 00:17:10.599 --> 00:17:13.839 were being booked or made. Brignac. Why would the massages 341 00:17:13.880 --> 00:17:16.000 need to cease if that was a regular part of 342 00:17:16.000 --> 00:17:18.880 his day and he said, in fact he was not guilty, 343 00:17:19.759 --> 00:17:22.200 Ms Graff, I don't know. He also stopped drinking tea. 344 00:17:22.720 --> 00:17:26.519 Miss Witcombe, you answered the question, Ms Graff, Yeah, Miss Witcombe, 345 00:17:26.720 --> 00:17:29.319 you answered the question. Ms Graff, I don't know. Yeah, 346 00:17:30.079 --> 00:17:32.880 Miss Brignac. Did you find it odd that it was 347 00:17:32.920 --> 00:17:35.519 a regular part of your practice, the schedule his massages, 348 00:17:35.720 --> 00:17:39.440 and then it suddenly stopped, Miss Groff, know, Miss Tolan, 349 00:17:39.920 --> 00:17:41.640 And now we're just going to ask a few general 350 00:17:41.720 --> 00:17:44.279 questions about your role and get into some more details 351 00:17:44.279 --> 00:17:47.200 about it. Did you have to sign a non disclosure 352 00:17:47.240 --> 00:17:51.279 agreement upon being hired as mister Epstein's secretary? Answer yes, 353 00:17:51.680 --> 00:17:56.039 question what were the details of this agreement? Answer? What 354 00:17:56.079 --> 00:17:58.920 I recall is that I was not supposed to discuss 355 00:17:59.039 --> 00:18:01.680 any of mister epstein clients with anyone, and if I 356 00:18:01.720 --> 00:18:04.119 did so, it would be one hundred thousand dollars fee. 357 00:18:04.799 --> 00:18:08.160 Question And you understood this to mean his business clients 358 00:18:08.200 --> 00:18:12.240 who he managed money for. Answer correct. Question And how 359 00:18:12.240 --> 00:18:14.680 did you know? I know we discussed earlier your knowledge 360 00:18:14.680 --> 00:18:16.960 of who clients were, But how did you know who 361 00:18:17.319 --> 00:18:19.960 was a client at the time? Answer? I believe that 362 00:18:20.200 --> 00:18:23.759 NDA might have specifically said las Wexner and then clients 363 00:18:23.759 --> 00:18:27.440 and clients. Question But at the time you would have 364 00:18:27.559 --> 00:18:31.200 understood who fell into that category? Answer sure, as clients 365 00:18:31.240 --> 00:18:33.000 is wealthy clients? Uh huh. 366 00:18:33.240 --> 00:18:35.039 Question did you keep a copy of the agreement? 367 00:18:35.279 --> 00:18:38.039 Answer? I did not. Question did all the employees of 368 00:18:38.079 --> 00:18:40.799 mister Epstein have to sign the agreement? Answer? I don't know. 369 00:18:41.480 --> 00:18:44.680 Question did mister Epstein himself ask you to sign the agreement? 370 00:18:45.200 --> 00:18:45.519 Answer? 371 00:18:45.680 --> 00:18:48.599 No, it was part of onboarding. It was probably redacted, 372 00:18:49.000 --> 00:18:52.319 is my bet? Question and you mentioned previously, but can 373 00:18:52.359 --> 00:18:55.720 you explain again where you maintained office space while working 374 00:18:55.759 --> 00:18:56.359 for him? 375 00:18:56.720 --> 00:18:57.000 Answer? 376 00:18:57.079 --> 00:18:59.359 Sure, so from two thousand and one to two thousand 377 00:18:59.359 --> 00:19:02.599 and nine it was part of Helmsley Palace, part of 378 00:19:02.640 --> 00:19:05.039 the Villard House, and I was located in the rear 379 00:19:05.079 --> 00:19:07.880 of the suite, directly back from the reception as desk. 380 00:19:08.680 --> 00:19:10.799 There was a door to my office and then my 381 00:19:10.880 --> 00:19:13.200 desk sitting. If you looked outside the window you could 382 00:19:13.200 --> 00:19:17.799 see Saint Patrick's Cathedral. Answer and where did you move 383 00:19:17.839 --> 00:19:20.160 to in two thousand and nine? Answer in two thousand 384 00:19:20.160 --> 00:19:22.480 and nine, we moved to three oh one E sixty 385 00:19:22.519 --> 00:19:25.519 sixth Street. Answer and how long were you in that 386 00:19:25.599 --> 00:19:28.839 office space? Answer? I believe it was two or three years. 387 00:19:29.279 --> 00:19:33.240 Question When did you get moved to that office space? Answer? 388 00:19:33.359 --> 00:19:36.480 We were told that the premier location at Helmsley Palace 389 00:19:36.559 --> 00:19:40.319 was very expensive location, and since mister Epstein wasn't going 390 00:19:40.319 --> 00:19:43.680 to be here, anymore what we needed to We were 391 00:19:43.720 --> 00:19:46.920 downsizing and needed to find other space. I don't know 392 00:19:46.920 --> 00:19:49.880 why it became three oh one E sixty sixth Street. 393 00:19:51.079 --> 00:19:53.039 Question did you ever work out of the four fifty 394 00:19:53.039 --> 00:19:56.559 seven Madison Avenue building? Answer that was Helmsley Place? Yes, 395 00:19:57.279 --> 00:20:00.680 question Okay, did you ever? Timmins jumps in real quick? 396 00:20:00.839 --> 00:20:03.799 Can I get back to something? So it's my understanding 397 00:20:03.839 --> 00:20:06.640 that Epstein had a massage every day for his entire life, 398 00:20:07.000 --> 00:20:09.400 but after he got out of jail, you never booked 399 00:20:09.400 --> 00:20:12.319 a massage therapist. Did you book the eight assistants for 400 00:20:12.359 --> 00:20:15.039 an hour? And did just say name hour or what 401 00:20:15.680 --> 00:20:18.599