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<v Speaker 1>Good evening. Welcome to Dispatches. I'm joined this evening by

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<v Speaker 1>Alex Thompson. Alex, welcome to the program. Thank you, Brian.

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<v Speaker 1>I wish I was speaking to your happier circumstances. This

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<v Speaker 1>is a very grave case that we have to cover

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<v Speaker 1>well we do, but it's up to us and many

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<v Speaker 1>other good people to speak out and tell the truth

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<v Speaker 1>about what's really happening. The most important thing, I think

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<v Speaker 1>is to get the information out there. And this, of

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<v Speaker 1>course is one of those cases that touches on very

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<v Speaker 1>strange things going on in the establishment. Somebody reporting wrongdoing,

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<v Speaker 1>the system then turns on them. We have strange things

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<v Speaker 1>going on with the police, with courts, with government officials. Ultimately,

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<v Speaker 1>this particular gentleman ends up a prisoner of the psychiatric system.

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<v Speaker 1>And this, of course is an event which we know

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<v Speaker 1>about from other cases. It's very it's very frightening for

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<v Speaker 1>many people to think that the psychiatric system, which should

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<v Speaker 1>be there to help, can be used to try and

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<v Speaker 1>silence people. But you've spent a lot of time investigating

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<v Speaker 1>this particular case. The gentleman's Peter Hoffscher and can you

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<v Speaker 1>give us a start at the beginning and tell people

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit about the case.

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<v Speaker 2>Peter Hoffscherer, the name is spelled hof sc hr Er

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<v Speaker 2>and his mother is known as Grandma b. You'll find

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<v Speaker 2>the blog easily that way. Her real name is Barbara.

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<v Speaker 2>This pair of people have been through a very great deal.

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<v Speaker 2>They're both disabled, elderly people. We don't know whether Barbara

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<v Speaker 2>is still alive at this point. She would be approaching

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<v Speaker 2>ninety if she is. What is as a case You

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<v Speaker 2>could call it an asset stripping case of the kind

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<v Speaker 2>we've seen in various parts at Britain, where an apparent

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<v Speaker 2>criminal cabal within all of the public authorities in a

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<v Speaker 2>county or city conspire to corner vulnerable old people with

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<v Speaker 2>valuable property and steal their assets. That's one where you

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<v Speaker 2>could look at it. You can also describe it as

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<v Speaker 2>a case of what the Soviets called Sihushka, the abuse

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<v Speaker 2>of psychiatry, well known in the West from the works

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<v Speaker 2>of Alexander Soljernitsyn. Now I shouldn't let it affect me,

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<v Speaker 2>I suppose, but it has been poignant. In calling up

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<v Speaker 2>Peter can find apparently for life to the ward that

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<v Speaker 2>he's been sectioned on. The forensic psychiatry department in Gratz

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<v Speaker 2>Graz in Austria. It's been very poignant to me to

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<v Speaker 2>be talking for once to really someone of the same

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<v Speaker 2>bent as me, a kind of cogitative intellectual man, a

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<v Speaker 2>historian who speaks several languages and noted his or in

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<v Speaker 2>a the Napoleonic period, with a library of five thousand books,

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<v Speaker 2>And to speak to someone who seems less damaged at

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<v Speaker 2>this point than any of the others we've spoken to

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<v Speaker 2>in prominent UK column case work who've got this far

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<v Speaker 2>into the black hole. He is still able to reflect

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<v Speaker 2>ironically and dryly and with understatements and relativization really on

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<v Speaker 2>everything that's happened to him. But that's really something about Peter.

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<v Speaker 2>Perhaps what I'll do, Brian is I'll spend about four minutes,

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<v Speaker 2>probably reading the succinct summary of the case first, which

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<v Speaker 2>has been written by Andy Peacher, a well known campaigner

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<v Speaker 2>on many of these cases, and you will find his

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<v Speaker 2>material in many places online. We're going to put the

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<v Speaker 2>links in the associated details for this podcast, but here

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<v Speaker 2>is what Andy Peacher has had to say about the

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<v Speaker 2>hofsher occasion outline quote British born missus Barbara Hoffschreer was

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<v Speaker 2>born on the thirteenth of December nineteen twenty eight, and

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<v Speaker 2>she is in fact a disabled Second World War veteran.

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<v Speaker 2>Just to comment by me Alex there Andy continues she

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<v Speaker 2>was kidnapped by her abuses in May twenty fourteen. Her

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<v Speaker 2>current whereabouts and status are unknown. She has disappeared in

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<v Speaker 2>inverted commerce. Her son, Peter Hoffscher, was born on the

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<v Speaker 2>twenty eighth of May nineteen fifty six and has both

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<v Speaker 2>British and German citizenship. He has been confined to the

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<v Speaker 2>Sigmund Freud Klimkum in Gratz gr Z, Austria for life.

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<v Speaker 2>Although mentally sound, Barbara and Peter have exposed serious organized

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<v Speaker 2>crime and corruption at high levels in Britain, Austria and Germany.

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<v Speaker 2>They maintain that they have been detained to prevent further

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<v Speaker 2>exposure of cross border criminality undertaken by senior officials. It

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<v Speaker 2>is thought that Barbara might be confined to a local

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<v Speaker 2>authority care home in York, England, although nothing has been

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<v Speaker 2>heard from or about her for many months, it is

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<v Speaker 2>not known whether or not she is still alive. Peter

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<v Speaker 2>was detained in Britain on the first of December twenty fourteen,

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<v Speaker 2>just minutes before commencing a private prosecution case that would

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<v Speaker 2>have exposed fraud and criminality committed against Barbara and himself,

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<v Speaker 2>which also involved police and local authorities. He was held

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<v Speaker 2>on remand for two years until June twenty sixteen, when

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<v Speaker 2>he was convicted of possession of indecent images. Just to

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<v Speaker 2>comment by me, many of the charges were dropped and

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<v Speaker 2>fiddled with during the process. I'll get to that later.

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<v Speaker 2>He continues to dispute the allegations and maintains that the

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<v Speaker 2>images were planted by police or another party. Evidence supporting

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<v Speaker 2>this was withheld from the court. Peter and his supporters

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<v Speaker 2>also maintained that he has not had a fair trial,

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<v Speaker 2>with Article six of the Urouropean Convention on Human Rights

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<v Speaker 2>being seriously violated, as Peter had already served longer in

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<v Speaker 2>jail than the sentence received by the time it came

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<v Speaker 2>to trial, that is, he was due for immediate release. However,

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<v Speaker 2>he continued to be held in custody pending extradition to

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<v Speaker 2>Austria to face various charges which he maintains are false.

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<v Speaker 2>These relates a supposed defamation of a judge by sending

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<v Speaker 2>an email that he said he never sent. Extradition took

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<v Speaker 2>place in July twenty seventeen, and Peter was first held

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<v Speaker 2>in jail pending trial, and he says, by the way

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<v Speaker 2>that while he was there, nearly ten percent of the

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<v Speaker 2>prisoners in the jail with him were journalists and political prisoners. However,

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<v Speaker 2>most of the charges were dropped and in November twenty

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<v Speaker 2>seventeen he was transferred to a psychiatric institute for life,

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<v Speaker 2>without ever having been examined by a psychiatrist in Austria.

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<v Speaker 2>An a psychiatrist who's ever examined Peter, by the way,

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<v Speaker 2>has been a British psychiatrist, doctor Gethins, who told the

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<v Speaker 2>British court that there was no mental health problem with

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<v Speaker 2>him at all. Andy continues. The psychiatrist who wrote this

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<v Speaker 2>report was a certain university professor, doctor Manfred Waltzel wa

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<v Speaker 2>l z L Manfred Waltzel. It has been said that

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<v Speaker 2>he is known to fake reports to facilitate the imprisonment

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<v Speaker 2>of opponents of the regime. His report determined that Peter

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<v Speaker 2>suffers from such a severe paranoid personality disorder that he

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<v Speaker 2>is a danger to the public and that he needs

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<v Speaker 2>to be confined for life. This, however, conflicts with all

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<v Speaker 2>the evidence. A psychiatrist in England examined Peter in person

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<v Speaker 2>and discermined that he is of sound mind. That's doctor

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<v Speaker 2>Geffins I just mentioned. Furthermore, suitably qualified friends and professionals

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<v Speaker 2>confirmed that he has no mental health issues, and Brian

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<v Speaker 2>and I just spoken to him on the phone. There's

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<v Speaker 2>no mental health issues there, that's for sure. He's a

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<v Speaker 2>top flight intellectual or very sound mind. Peter maintains that

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<v Speaker 2>all these allegations of crime and mental incapacity have been

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<v Speaker 2>fabricated in order to a prevent his exposure of official

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<v Speaker 2>corruption in Britain, Austria and Germany. B discredit him and

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<v Speaker 2>the evidence of this corruption he and others have already

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<v Speaker 2>published in the public domain, that's mainly on the Grandma

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<v Speaker 2>b blog and see to allow corrupt officials, working in

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<v Speaker 2>cooperation with certain Hoffshurer family members to defraud Barbara and

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<v Speaker 2>Peter of all their assets in Britain and Austria. And

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<v Speaker 2>that is a point about this case, Brian. There's asset

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<v Speaker 2>stripping and house stealing going on simultaneously in two EU

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<v Speaker 2>member states. Lord Kenneth McGinnis, many people will remember him

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<v Speaker 2>as the Ulster Unionist prominent politician, Lord McGinnis, member of

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<v Speaker 2>the British House of Lords, working with a professional investigator,

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<v Speaker 2>produced sufficient evidence for what should have been a successful

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<v Speaker 2>prosecution of offenses committed by police and social works involved

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<v Speaker 2>in the actions to defraud Barbara of her house in England.

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<v Speaker 2>In May twenty twelve in Parliament, in fact, it was

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<v Speaker 2>in a response to the Queen's Speech debate he called

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<v Speaker 2>for a thorough investigation into the hoffsher case. This, however,

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<v Speaker 2>not take place, and shortly afterwards North Yorkshire Police entered

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<v Speaker 2>Barbara's house and claimed to have found incriminating evidence against

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<v Speaker 2>Peter in the house. This summary is nearly done, but

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<v Speaker 2>I will drop in the relevant things here. What's relevant

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<v Speaker 2>about this is that within five thousand books of a collection,

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<v Speaker 2>police supposedly found the dirt they were looking for within

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<v Speaker 2>twenty minutes, and when challenged about it, they went back

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<v Speaker 2>into the house and found supposedly a pile of forty

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<v Speaker 2>six videos that they have missed in the first search

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<v Speaker 2>of five thousand books during twenty minutes, which had netted

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<v Speaker 2>them a piece of paper. During this time, Peter and

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<v Speaker 2>Barbara were in exile in Austria, and the Austrian authorities

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<v Speaker 2>then claimed that Peter lacked mental capacity that is to

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<v Speaker 2>continue the case because he was starting a case against

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<v Speaker 2>the Austrians even though they had never met him, and

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<v Speaker 2>commenced proceedings to have him confined to a psychiatric institute

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<v Speaker 2>for the rest of his life. Peter and Barbara were

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<v Speaker 2>then forced to seek refuge in Germany, where they were

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<v Speaker 2>granted persecuted persons status. However, in May twenty fourteen, German

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<v Speaker 2>police and others violently kidnapped Barbara and allowed her persecutors

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<v Speaker 2>to take her to England. Will get onto the manner

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<v Speaker 2>of that kidnap later Brian. Both Barbara and Peter are

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<v Speaker 2>frail and disabled. Physical violence was used against them. Since then,

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<v Speaker 2>Barbara has been held against her will. She was known

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<v Speaker 2>at one time to be held in a Yorkshire care

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<v Speaker 2>home run by the local authorities. She is said to

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<v Speaker 2>have been denied critical medication, her glasses and more. She

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<v Speaker 2>suffered a life changing injury due to what is believed

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<v Speaker 2>to be wilful neglect, and has been stripped of all

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<v Speaker 2>her assets. Barbara was and still is being held in communicado,

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<v Speaker 2>and it is not certain whether or not she is

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<v Speaker 2>still alive. The English courts, in particular the infamous Secret Court,

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<v Speaker 2>the Court of Protection that's the court set up in

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<v Speaker 2>recent years to look after the assets supposedly of mentally

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<v Speaker 2>incapacitated old people, has acted in collusion with her persecutors.

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<v Speaker 2>Peter's appeal against his confined to a psychiatric prison was denied.

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<v Speaker 2>The courts refused to consider evidence or hear witnesses supporting

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<v Speaker 2>his case. Meanwhile, the Austrian State prosecutor starts Unvaldt has

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<v Speaker 2>dropped two and a half of the three charges against Peter.

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<v Speaker 2>These are the charges that brought into Austria in the

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<v Speaker 2>first place. The outstanding matter is so petty that it

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<v Speaker 2>does not warrant imprisonment. Peter maintains that he and his

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<v Speaker 2>mother have been subjected to persecution and imprisonment due to

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<v Speaker 2>their anti corruption activism and their exposure of serious organized

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<v Speaker 2>crime committed by officials in several member states of the

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<v Speaker 2>European Union. His case appears to be far from unique.

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<v Speaker 2>In fact, when you call Peter, he'll say that there's

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<v Speaker 2>tens of thousands of people like his mother, and he

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<v Speaker 2>asserts that he has knowledge of reports concerning a large

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<v Speaker 2>number of people being held in Austrian mental institutions like

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<v Speaker 2>himself due to their opposition to the regime i e.

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<v Speaker 2>Political prisoners. Final paragraph of Andy's summary says the level

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<v Speaker 2>of corruption in the Hofschuer case has deterred lawyers from

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<v Speaker 2>giving Barbara and Peter proper advice and support. Neither of

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<v Speaker 2>them has had effective legal representation and their case has

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<v Speaker 2>not had effective media exposure. Despite the efforts of Lord McGinnis.

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<v Speaker 2>The case is mentioned several times in Hansard for twenty

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<v Speaker 2>have spent in excess of one million pounds in civil

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<v Speaker 2>actions to block all publicity concerning this case. So this

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<v Speaker 2>is as we see in Scotland with the Crown Office.

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<v Speaker 2>People who are or were in public duty are given

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<v Speaker 2>a bottomless pit of public money to pursue libel cases

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<v Speaker 2>against people they don't like. No action of libel has

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<v Speaker 2>been commenced against those involved in exposing official corruption, just

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<v Speaker 2>a trumped up harassment charge and public money is used

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<v Speaker 2>to silence critic. There is the summary, Bryan, of what

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<v Speaker 2>but I think listeners will be gobsmacked enough just by

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<v Speaker 1>It is thank you very much for that summary, Alex,

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<v Speaker 1>because with many of these cases people who come forward,

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<v Speaker 1>it isn't that they don't have evidence. The problem that

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<v Speaker 1>we have consistently encountered is that they have too much evidence.

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<v Speaker 1>They have hundreds or thousands of documents which demonstrate the

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<v Speaker 1>reality of their case. But it's how you take that

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<v Speaker 1>put across to other people simply, and I think you've

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<v Speaker 1>done a marvelous job of that, So thank you very much.

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<v Speaker 1>And isn't it interesting that if we come down to

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<v Speaker 1>who says that he has encountered corruption and organized crime

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<v Speaker 1>and that has impacted on his family, where further wrongdoing

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<v Speaker 1>has taken place. So things have happened to his mother,

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<v Speaker 1>things have happened to him in self. You gave three

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<v Speaker 1>points there of how he'd been targeted preventing exposure, he'd

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<v Speaker 1>been discredited, and then corruption amongst officials was then allowed

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<v Speaker 1>to continue. So there's a sort of template here, and

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<v Speaker 1>the bit that you also mentioned, which I pick up

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<v Speaker 1>on straight away, is that you say, well, the use

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<v Speaker 1>of the psychiatric system for these criminal purposes is what

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<v Speaker 1>we used to see in the Soviet Union. This was

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<v Speaker 1>the Gulag, and you mentioned soldier knits In. Well, we're

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<v Speaker 1>not in the Soviet Union. We are in Western Europe,

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<v Speaker 1>or we're in UK and yet we are seeing a

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<v Speaker 1>system of psychiatric abuse which is amazingly similar to the

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<v Speaker 1>Soviet system. Perhaps we could come onto that a bit later.

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<v Speaker 1>But this man has essentially had property stolen. Would you

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<v Speaker 1>say that that's the key part. He's been targeted for

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<v Speaker 2>That seems to have been why Peter Hofsher was targeted

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<v Speaker 2>in the first place. He had together with his parents,

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<v Speaker 2>and particularly after his father died in two thousand and eight,

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<v Speaker 2>and he and his mother were vulnerable owners of a

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<v Speaker 2>nice large house in desirable York in the city itself

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<v Speaker 2>which falls under North Yorkshire Council and Police Area.

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<v Speaker 1>What focuses attention is the amount of evidence that's come

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<v Speaker 1>to light about what has happened around Peter. So can

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<v Speaker 1>we focus on some of the detail of what's actually

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<v Speaker 1>taken place and try and join together I'm actually trying

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<v Speaker 1>so much there to it. So we'll say, for listen,

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<v Speaker 1>I fully appreciate the position we've had an overview of

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<v Speaker 1>the case, but we need to I think we need

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<v Speaker 1>to try and focus in on some of the details

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<v Speaker 1>of things that happen, where we could say, how can

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<v Speaker 1>you explain this? In a normal functioning system, if somebody

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<v Speaker 1>goes to the police and they say a crime has

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<v Speaker 1>been committed, what should happen is that they should be

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<v Speaker 1>listened to. What they say should be recorded, They should

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<v Speaker 1>be questioned in a reasonable way. But then a decision

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<v Speaker 1>is made. Has the person put forward evidence which appears

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<v Speaker 1>to be credible and if so, then there's going to

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<v Speaker 1>be some investigation to see whether their evidence is actually credible.

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<v Speaker 1>But none of those things have happened in this case.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm afraid that the situation in Britain's constabulary ticularly in

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<v Speaker 2>North Yorkshire, which is the headquarters that Jimmy Saville used,

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<v Speaker 2>because the city of Leeds isn't in North Yorkshire, but

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<v Speaker 2>his coastal hideaway in Scarborough was where we now all

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<v Speaker 2>know that Saville was working closely together with the then

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<v Speaker 2>Mayor of Scarborough, the late Peter Jack and Ellie Jaco

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<v Speaker 2>n l I. Scarborough and North Yorkshire coastal area was

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<v Speaker 2>the epicenter of where Jimmy Saville's operations involving children were

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<v Speaker 2>and there's been so many scandals, particularly involving North Yorkshire that,

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<v Speaker 2>as Lord mcgannis said in his interventions in the House

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<v Speaker 2>of Lords including the Queen's Speech debate in twenty twelve,

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<v Speaker 2>North Yorkshire is a particularly suspect police force. And if

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<v Speaker 2>you go to the magistrates court or the social services

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<v Speaker 2>in the City of York or the County of North Yorkshire,

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<v Speaker 2>it's the same story. There is no basic investigation and

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<v Speaker 2>you get quite illiterate threatening emails in his case even

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<v Speaker 2>sent to him while he was in Austria saying we

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<v Speaker 2>summon you back to Britain. This is the level of

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<v Speaker 2>hutzpah that these authorities have literate and they claim to

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<v Speaker 2>be able to have complete jurisdiction over you, as are

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<v Speaker 2>they owned you body and soul, that investigations don't happen.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, now, Alex we have jumped so far from houses

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<v Speaker 1>being stolen and assets being stolen and an assault by

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<v Speaker 1>police and somebody's mother being taken and literally disappearing. We've

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<v Speaker 1>jumped from that environment to talking about children, and you're

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<v Speaker 1>mentioning Jimmy Saville. So for our audience, how do we

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<v Speaker 1>how do we show how these pieces fit together or

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<v Speaker 1>appear to fit together, Because this is a very big

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<v Speaker 1>jump to go from organized crime, which is stealing somebody's house.

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<v Speaker 1>That's an understandable crime. You're now talking about children being involved,

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<v Speaker 1>and you're also mentioning Satanism.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that the phrase you have come up with yourself, Brian,

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<v Speaker 2>is very useful. Child abuse is the glue that keeps

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<v Speaker 2>the criminal structures in place, which exists among behind, and

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<v Speaker 2>above and around the official public structures we have of politicians, councilors,

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<v Speaker 2>members of Parliament, police, social services, judges, magistrates and all

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<v Speaker 2>the rest of them. If some of each of these

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<v Speaker 2>professions are involved in child abuse, then there is a

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<v Speaker 2>hold over them for life. And I think now it's

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<v Speaker 2>twenty eighteen, it's beyond reasonable doubt in the British and

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<v Speaker 2>worldwide public's mind that there is a massive systemic problem

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<v Speaker 2>with child abuse in every part of Britain, with particular

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<v Speaker 2>hotspots like the coast of Yorkshire and the City of

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<v Speaker 2>York itself in this case. I don't know whether you

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<v Speaker 2>had anything to add on that, because of course you

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<v Speaker 2>posed this very valid question to me. But you've been

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<v Speaker 2>in UK column casework longer than I have, and to

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<v Speaker 2>my four or five major cases i've been involved, and

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<v Speaker 2>you've been in perhaps a hundred of them. So what's

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<v Speaker 2>your perspective on it?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I did indeed say that that child abuse was

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<v Speaker 1>there the fuel or the engine of wider corruption in criminality,

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<v Speaker 1>and I certainly believe that's true. And as we are

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<v Speaker 1>speaking tonight, former Detective Constable Metropolitan Detective Constable John Wedger

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<v Speaker 1>is on his walk from London to Manchester in order

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<v Speaker 1>to raise people's awareness for the abuse of children, the

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<v Speaker 1>massive abuse of children and the cover up of that

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<v Speaker 1>abuse by the establishment and political circles. So he is

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<v Speaker 1>walking that distance in immense cold at the moment in

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<v Speaker 1>order to try and raise awareness. And I'm delighted to

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<v Speaker 1>say that he's had for part of the journey so

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<v Speaker 1>far he's had a Member of Parliament, Mike Penning with him.

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<v Speaker 1>Mike Penning used to be the Policing Minister and Mike

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<v Speaker 1>Penning is now on record as saying that when he

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<v Speaker 1>presented a file to the Home Office on the subject

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<v Speaker 1>of child abuse, but also including the testimony of John Wedger,

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<v Speaker 1>that that file has mysteriously disappeared. And once again we're

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<v Speaker 1>into the pattern that we've seen many times before. So

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<v Speaker 1>I bring in John Wedger because as a policeman, he

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<v Speaker 1>talks in the interview that he did with myself, he

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<v Speaker 1>talks through the detail of how when he started to

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<v Speaker 1>expose the abuse of children, the deaths of young children,

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<v Speaker 1>how he was viciously silenced by bullying an harassment by

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<v Speaker 1>the Metropolitan Police, and he got no help at all

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<v Speaker 1>from the political system. So to me, the evidence is

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<v Speaker 1>overwhelming that we have a political system and an establishment

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<v Speaker 1>which is involved in the abuse of children and covers

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<v Speaker 1>it up. And once we can see that at the

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<v Speaker 1>heart of that system, which has got to be Westminster,

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<v Speaker 1>it's reasonable to say that because it is there, it

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<v Speaker 1>will exist at a lower level.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a good way of putting it, Brian, And you've

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<v Speaker 2>mentioned one of the good MPs who are doing that job.

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<v Speaker 1>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>The solution to corrupt MPs is not revolution, it is

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<v Speaker 2>good MPs. And we have to say every political party

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<v Speaker 2>and independent MPs such few as we have have shown

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<v Speaker 2>themselves worthy and committed to this. One thinks of Sariah

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<v Speaker 2>Champion in Rochdale, John Mann, Jeffrey Dickinson, the late Conservative

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<v Speaker 2>MP who did so much in the nineteen eighties when

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<v Speaker 2>there was a brief window of opportunity to lift the

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<v Speaker 2>lid on this and all the dossiers that he brought

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<v Speaker 2>to the police attention went missing in the Home Office.

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<v Speaker 2>Can't find the archives of them in applied company. In

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<v Speaker 2>the Welsh Nationalist Party you have Bethanne Jenkins still active

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<v Speaker 2>as an assembly member in Cardiff on this issue. And

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<v Speaker 2>the most egregious of all is the probably assassinated William

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<v Speaker 2>McCray of the Scottish National Party who made it to

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<v Speaker 2>his cottage in wester Ross in nineteen eighty five. And

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<v Speaker 2>this was just after he had started talking as a

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<v Speaker 2>war hero of some reputation, when the SNP was gaining

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<v Speaker 2>in popularity about the Scottish and British wide issue of

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<v Speaker 2>child abuse, including at Westminster. So it's not just a

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<v Speaker 2>bunch of nutters talking about this. Brian. We don't like

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<v Speaker 2>to pull rank often, but you're a retired role Navy officer.

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<v Speaker 2>I was a GCHQ officer for eight years. We believe

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<v Speaker 2>and we see the evidence brought forward by mister Hofsherer

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<v Speaker 2>in his limited circumstances, in his clinic and his supporters,

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<v Speaker 2>and we have to say we believe the word and

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<v Speaker 2>documentation of mister Hofsher and others of his ilk against

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<v Speaker 2>the insistence of all of the institutional weight that police

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<v Speaker 2>and social services can bring. Because mister Hofsherer, and this

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<v Speaker 2>is a key authenticity Hallmark has consistently in blog posts

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<v Speaker 2>and other public appearances, letters freedom of information request, always

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<v Speaker 2>given right of reply to those whom he's accusing of wrongdoing,

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<v Speaker 2>whether involvement in the theft or the fraud, or a

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<v Speaker 2>child abuse or satanism, and they have always replied with

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<v Speaker 2>silence and sometimes with publicly funded lawsuits to shut up

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<v Speaker 2>investigators who are backing him up. And that to me

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<v Speaker 2>is a great sign of guilt. And we've reached a

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<v Speaker 2>tipping point now where the respectable and alert people in

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<v Speaker 2>the nation are on the side of mister Hofshre and

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<v Speaker 2>you and I are not on the side of the

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<v Speaker 2>powers that be in this matter.

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<v Speaker 1>That's absolutely correct. While you were talking through there, I

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<v Speaker 1>was thinking about the Hampstead case. That was what came

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<v Speaker 1>into my mind. Where we have a mother and a

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<v Speaker 1>partner who go to the authorities talking about what was

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<v Speaker 1>happening to their children. We have testimony from those children,

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<v Speaker 1>both on video and audio. And I will add that

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<v Speaker 1>not only did I meet the mother and a partner,

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<v Speaker 1>but I was also able to speak to the young

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<v Speaker 1>to the little girl because she'd already been taken by

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<v Speaker 1>social services, but what the parents said to me, and

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<v Speaker 1>certainly what the child said to me, made great sense.

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<v Speaker 1>The minimum I would have expected is for a proper

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<v Speaker 1>investigation by the police, but of course in the Hampstead

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<v Speaker 1>case it is clear that there was no proper investigation

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<v Speaker 1>from the police. And then there was a recorded interview

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<v Speaker 1>of the two youngsters which was incompetent. Is about the

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<v Speaker 1>best I could put it, because this was certainly not

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<v Speaker 1>a carefully recorded interview with two young children talking about

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<v Speaker 1>horrific things. This was it was almost amateur. It was

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<v Speaker 1>so casual, it was so it lacked professionalism, and other

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<v Speaker 1>policemen have said this. But what then trans inspires that

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<v Speaker 1>the mother and her partners are the one who are

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<v Speaker 1>then effectively hounded. They are the ones who the courts

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<v Speaker 1>focus on. Medical evidence is ignored, the whole case is

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<v Speaker 1>shut down, and any members of the public who are

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<v Speaker 1>prepared to speak out on it are hounded. And we're

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<v Speaker 1>people who's been particularly outspoken on the Hampstead case. She's

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<v Speaker 1>had to appear at court again. She is at fault

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<v Speaker 1>for speaking out. So on one hand, you're talking about

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<v Speaker 1>the silence of the establishment. What we also see go

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<v Speaker 1>with the silence is very often a vicious attack against

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<v Speaker 1>those who make accusations. If there was no crime, why

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<v Speaker 1>does this need to happen. Why can't there be a

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<v Speaker 1>proper investigation, Why can't there be a fully documented rebuttal

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<v Speaker 1>to the accusations in the first.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, A point of commonality between the Hofsherer case and

429
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<v Speaker 2>the Doherty case in the northeast of Scotland, which went

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<v Speaker 2>over to Ireland as well, is this failure to investigate,

431
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<v Speaker 2>and it takes a similar form in both cases. A

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<v Speaker 2>good social worker and police constable is put on the

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<v Speaker 2>case in both instances and is then taken off again

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<v Speaker 2>within twenty four hours by a colleague who is a

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<v Speaker 2>slightly senior officer who seems to put the fear of

436
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<v Speaker 2>God into the original not bent social worker or copper

437
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<v Speaker 2>who was assigned to the case.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, that is very true, and I have to say

439
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<v Speaker 1>that again with the Hampstead case, when good police officers

440
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<v Speaker 1>took the correct action, we know that quite senior police

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<v Speaker 1>officers were threatened at some stage overnight between being informed

442
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<v Speaker 1>and the next morning they had been threatened. In one case,

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<v Speaker 1>the man was quote a gibbering wreck when he spoke

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<v Speaker 1>to a colleague at Hoppol seven in the morning. We

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<v Speaker 1>don't know what was said to him, We don't know

446
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<v Speaker 1>what was done. What we do know is that one

447
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<v Speaker 1>policeman was prepared to say when I spoke to my

448
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<v Speaker 1>colleague the next morning, he was a gibbering wreck and

449
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<v Speaker 1>it was quite clear that no correct action was going

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<v Speaker 1>to be taken.

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<v Speaker 2>Just a slight sidebar here on how that threatening even

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<v Speaker 2>extends into the political and military realm. We don't want

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<v Speaker 2>to get too far off the Offsherer case, but just

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<v Speaker 2>to confirm what you've said, UK column sources have reported

455
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<v Speaker 2>to us that flag officers so very senior rank retired

456
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<v Speaker 2>military men of the General Admiral Air COMMANDAW level who've

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<v Speaker 2>spoken out in some aspect of the European Union's military

458
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<v Speaker 2>unification agenda have had similar threats. And the leaders of

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<v Speaker 2>political parties within the last few years. And when you're

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<v Speaker 2>at that level of respectability in stage of life, the

461
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<v Speaker 2>threat seems to take the form of something will happen

462
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<v Speaker 2>to your granddaughter at college. So there seems to be

463
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<v Speaker 2>no end to the threats that will be issue to people,

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<v Speaker 2>no matter high up.

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<v Speaker 1>This is very true, and of course this was exactly

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<v Speaker 1>although he's not a senior officer, but of course John

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<v Speaker 1>Wedger has said that this sort of threat was made

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<v Speaker 1>to him within the police force. And yes, I've also

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<v Speaker 1>heard from very good people that this is the technique

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<v Speaker 1>used against very senior individuals. And I'm sorry to say

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<v Speaker 1>that many of the senior military people I think cave

472
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<v Speaker 1>into this remarkably quickly. Whereas I would expect some guts

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<v Speaker 1>from them, I see people quickly withdrawing into the safety

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<v Speaker 1>of their establishment world.

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<v Speaker 2>Now it's time to get back into the detail of

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<v Speaker 2>the Hofshure case. We didn't want to hammer it incessantly

477
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<v Speaker 2>through the whole podcast because it's a lot for people

478
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<v Speaker 2>to take in. But now we've put it in contact,

479
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<v Speaker 2>we need to zoom in again to Pour Peter in

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<v Speaker 2>the current frame we're speaking at the end of February

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<v Speaker 2>twenty before I read a chronology that Peter himself gave

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<v Speaker 2>by phone to Andy Peacher, which people can listen to

483
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<v Speaker 2>on the Freedom Talk Radio Network channel on mixcloud dot com.

484
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<v Speaker 2>They can easily find it by searching or by going

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<v Speaker 2>to Freedom Talk Radio dot co dot UK. Before I

486
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<v Speaker 2>read basically a retranscribing of what Peter said about the chronology,

487
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<v Speaker 2>and it's just a slightly clearer voice on the better line,

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<v Speaker 2>I would like to read a written contribution that's come

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<v Speaker 2>into us, which is Peter Hoffsher's account of incidents in

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<v Speaker 2>the psychological and psychiatric torture that he's now undergoing. You

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<v Speaker 2>mentioned earlier that we should return to this now. I've

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<v Speaker 2>discussed this with Peter, as he's a historian and a

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<v Speaker 2>cultural analyst. This point of the network he now finds

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<v Speaker 2>himself victimized by. I said, do you think that, with

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<v Speaker 2>Austria's particular status in Central Europe through the years, that

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<v Speaker 2>this is something that the Soviets implanted after the Second

497
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<v Speaker 2>World War in Austria, and he said that he'd thought

498
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<v Speaker 2>long and hard about it and reckoned that it dated

499
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<v Speaker 2>communism and the Soviet Union. The abuse of psychiatry in

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<v Speaker 2>Austria is something, he says, that goes right back to

501
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<v Speaker 2>the eponymous founder of psychiatry, after whom the clinic he's

502
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<v Speaker 2>incarcerated in his name, Sigmund Freud. From that time onwards

503
00:31:14.640 --> 00:31:17.440
<v Speaker 2>there has been this angle, and more recent years have

504
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<v Speaker 2>seen members of the Freud family acutd of that very

505
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<v Speaker 2>child abuse we were talking about earlier.

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<v Speaker 1>This takes us into a fascinating area, Alex because in

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<v Speaker 1>my mind comes the chart from Christopher's Story's book The

508
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<v Speaker 1>EU Collective Enemy of its Member States. In the first

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<v Speaker 1>few pages of that particular book is a table. It

510
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<v Speaker 1>says that Britain is to be dismantled as a country

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<v Speaker 1>by subversion, effectively by first of all weakening society, undermining

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<v Speaker 1>state institutions. It then gives details of what would happen

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<v Speaker 1>at each level. So education would be made empty wasteland

514
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<v Speaker 1>where children didn't learn anything really productive and what would

515
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<v Speaker 1>that mean that they were vulnerable and the state could

516
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<v Speaker 1>claim them. Marriages would be broken down Eventually it's talking

517
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<v Speaker 1>about trouble on the streets and major breakdown in the country,

518
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<v Speaker 1>and it ends by saying that when the state then

519
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<v Speaker 1>clamps down on this unrest, that the United Kingdom will

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<v Speaker 1>have been normalized. And what Christopher's story explains in the

521
00:32:32.559 --> 00:32:35.880
<v Speaker 1>book is that normalization means that the country will be

522
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<v Speaker 1>under a new and very draconian political system. Now the table,

523
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<v Speaker 1>the information in the table was acknowledged to a gentleman

524
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<v Speaker 1>called Thomas Schumann, which is a cover name for a

525
00:32:51.039 --> 00:32:57.319
<v Speaker 1>Soviet ex Soviet KGB man. And when I read that book,

526
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<v Speaker 1>and I paid attention to that table because my mind

527
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<v Speaker 1>said to me, what was set forth on the paper

528
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<v Speaker 1>was happening in the country. I then thought, how interesting

529
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<v Speaker 1>that a former KGB man should be warning the West

530
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<v Speaker 1>of what was going to take place. And in the beginning,

531
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<v Speaker 1>I assumed that he was breaking ranks with the Soviet

532
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<v Speaker 1>system which had unleashed this particular form of attack. And

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<v Speaker 1>it was later when I began to realize that we

534
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<v Speaker 1>were seeing this subversion drilled into every level of our

535
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<v Speaker 1>society that I started to realize that this was something

536
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<v Speaker 1>far deeper than a particular political system. This was not

537
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<v Speaker 1>something that had simply come out of the Soviet Union.

538
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<v Speaker 1>It had been used in the Soviet Union, but it

539
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<v Speaker 1>was something that was much older, darker, and more danger

540
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<v Speaker 1>And the Frankfurt school comes into to my mind, and

541
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<v Speaker 1>that would bring us to Germany in the when are

542
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<v Speaker 1>we talking about the eighteen nineties or thereabouts, where we

543
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<v Speaker 1>had a school of psychiatrists who were openly admitting that

544
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<v Speaker 1>psychiatry would give them a powerful tool for overthrowing traditional governments.

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<v Speaker 1>They were talking about it at.

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<v Speaker 2>The time they were and the same group of philosophers

547
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<v Speaker 2>and psychologists had an evil twin. As well as getting psychiatry,

548
00:34:34.960 --> 00:34:39.000
<v Speaker 2>which is the dirty hands on bit psychology involved, they

549
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<v Speaker 2>also had the cultural army Frankfort Schuler, which went off

550
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<v Speaker 2>to Columbia in New York in the nineteen thirties. Separately

551
00:34:45.519 --> 00:34:48.599
<v Speaker 2>there was Antonio Graham, she talking about cultural Marxism in Italy,

552
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<v Speaker 2>not part of the Frankfort Schuler or the German clique,

553
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<v Speaker 2>and separately from that, and this is where we get

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<v Speaker 2>back to Freud and Austria. There was a group which

555
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<v Speaker 2>became the Tavistot Clinic, still part of the NHS to

556
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<v Speaker 2>this day. In London. The Second World War set up

557
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<v Speaker 2>by Colonel Reese, the Tavistock Institute of Human Relations, which

558
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<v Speaker 2>does the mind experimentation on subjects unwilling, witting and unwitting,

559
00:35:10.199 --> 00:35:12.760
<v Speaker 2>which has always been an implantation of this very dark

560
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<v Speaker 2>Austrian and German based idea psychology and psychiatry in Britain

561
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<v Speaker 2>and thence into America and the world, particularly through military intelligence.

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<v Speaker 2>This is all relevant to what we're discussing with the

563
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<v Speaker 2>Hofsher case, of course, because as you said, we were

564
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<v Speaker 2>told that the Soviets were the problem, but the Soviet

565
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<v Speaker 2>Union and Nazism, which had a strong support based in Austria,

566
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<v Speaker 2>were both funded, as mainstream academics like Anthony Sutton have

567
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<v Speaker 2>pointed out in their day, by the same banks and

568
00:35:37.880 --> 00:35:42.280
<v Speaker 2>the same Anglo American elite structures. So yes, the abuse

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<v Speaker 2>of psychology and psychiatry is something that transcends nationality and

570
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<v Speaker 2>political ideologies. It is really what Christopher's story in his

571
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<v Speaker 2>later years was calling a global revolutionary Trotskyite model which

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<v Speaker 2>really glides in and out of totalitarian regimes and seems

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<v Speaker 2>to have gone east to way, from the Soviet Union

574
00:36:01.559 --> 00:36:04.920
<v Speaker 2>to Nazi Germany and now the Anglo American model. But

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<v Speaker 2>with that said here is a brief cry for help,

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<v Speaker 2>although written in a very dry tone. I have to

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<v Speaker 2>say by Peter Hofscher. This has been transcribed because he

578
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<v Speaker 2>can't send emails out, but he's dictated it over the phone.

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<v Speaker 2>There's two incidents described here, and the doctor Weissensteiner he

580
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<v Speaker 2>is describing is a female psychiatrist who is on his ward,

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<v Speaker 2>who he says, like all the rest of them, he

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<v Speaker 2>describes as a psychotic individual screaming, yelling and not behaving

583
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<v Speaker 2>at all like a psychiatrist calming people, and with a

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<v Speaker 2>team of strong male nurses. And I say that because

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<v Speaker 2>Peter Hofscher has room toward arthritis as you're hearing this,

586
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<v Speaker 2>but they strap him down anyway, So he writes here

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<v Speaker 2>incident of the nineteenth of January twenty eighteen. Around eleven

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<v Speaker 2>am on Friday, the nineteenth of January twenty eighteen, I

589
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<v Speaker 2>was called into a room on hospital Wing PS two

590
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<v Speaker 2>to one in the London's Krunken House Zudvest, which is

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<v Speaker 2>just the district hospital for the area in Ratz, Austria.

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<v Speaker 2>This room is known to the inmates as the torture chamber,

593
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<v Speaker 2>as this is where staff forcibly inject patients, including peaceful

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<v Speaker 2>patients with the liquid kosh. In the room were a

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<v Speaker 2>number of people, including doctor Weisensteiner, three to four male nurses,

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<v Speaker 2>two men and one woman. Normally male nurses wear a

597
00:37:20.800 --> 00:37:23.880
<v Speaker 2>white T shirt with name badges. These well built men

598
00:37:23.920 --> 00:37:27.079
<v Speaker 2>were wearing civilian T shirts so could not be identified.

599
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<v Speaker 2>Doctor Weisensteiner had her hand in her pocket and seemed

600
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<v Speaker 2>to be holding something. The three other people stated that

601
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<v Speaker 2>they were police officers from the er Kenungsteinst, which is

602
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<v Speaker 2>the police intelligence unit, who had come to take my

603
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<v Speaker 2>fingerprints and a DNA sample. Hmm. Interesting for someone who's

604
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<v Speaker 2>been sectioned as a danger to the public. They asked

605
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<v Speaker 2>me a number of questions which indicated that they had

606
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<v Speaker 2>little knowledge of the case. As I was not sure

607
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<v Speaker 2>that they really were police officers and by the way, Brian,

608
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<v Speaker 2>we've seen plenty of masquerading as police, haven't we in

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<v Speaker 2>British cases. I asked them, Peter Osher continues to produce

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<v Speaker 2>the relevant court order and their warrant cards. They refused

611
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<v Speaker 2>to do so. I then asked to be allowed to

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<v Speaker 2>take legal advice before continuing this interview, which, according to

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<v Speaker 2>my knowledge of the Austrian Constitution, is a right in Austria,

614
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<v Speaker 2>as in Britain, this too was refused, so I declined

615
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<v Speaker 2>to give my fingerprints or DNA. The female then produced

616
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<v Speaker 2>a card with poddied tsai and a number on it.

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<v Speaker 2>Her ID number was sixty one one six five one

618
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<v Speaker 2>three six. You can see that Peter Offsher is no fool.

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<v Speaker 2>He memorized the number, but it had neither a name

620
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<v Speaker 2>nor a photograph on it, So again I refused to

621
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<v Speaker 2>give my fingerprints or DNA. At that point, one of

622
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<v Speaker 2>the male nurses screamed at me so loud that his

623
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<v Speaker 2>face went red, threatening me if I did not cooperate.

624
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<v Speaker 2>I responded by politely requesting that the male nurse stop

625
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<v Speaker 2>screaming at me. He continued to do so, so again

626
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<v Speaker 2>I asked him to stop, which he did. One of

627
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<v Speaker 2>the police officers then for possibly ran a swab over

628
00:39:01.440 --> 00:39:04.159
<v Speaker 2>my neck and forehead. I was then allowed to leave

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<v Speaker 2>the room. It seems that this was a failed attempt

630
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<v Speaker 2>to provoke me into a violent reaction to provide an

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00:39:10.079 --> 00:39:12.679
<v Speaker 2>excuse to give me the liquid cosh, because otherwise they

632
00:39:12.719 --> 00:39:14.880
<v Speaker 2>have to apply for a court order for it. The

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00:39:14.880 --> 00:39:17.519
<v Speaker 2>fact that I did not respond as hoped is a

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00:39:17.519 --> 00:39:20.480
<v Speaker 2>further clear indication that I do not suffer from a

635
00:39:20.519 --> 00:39:23.400
<v Speaker 2>paranoid personality disorder, which of course is what he's been

636
00:39:23.440 --> 00:39:27.280
<v Speaker 2>sectioned for life for without a psychiatric assessment, and the

637
00:39:27.320 --> 00:39:29.599
<v Speaker 2>other one, Peter writes, is the same length and it's

638
00:39:29.639 --> 00:39:31.719
<v Speaker 2>an incident during the night of the thirteenth to the

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<v Speaker 2>fourteenth of February twenty eighteen. On the evening of the

640
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<v Speaker 2>thirteenth of February twenty eighteen, I went to bed around

641
00:39:38.079 --> 00:39:42.199
<v Speaker 2>nine thirty pm. Around eleven thirty pm, the lights went

642
00:39:42.239 --> 00:39:45.079
<v Speaker 2>on and a number of male nurses came over to

643
00:39:45.159 --> 00:39:49.320
<v Speaker 2>me and started shouting at me, being half asleep. I

644
00:39:49.360 --> 00:39:51.440
<v Speaker 2>cannot be sure of exactly what was said, but it

645
00:39:51.480 --> 00:39:54.800
<v Speaker 2>seems I was being accused of having attacked somebody. I

646
00:39:54.840 --> 00:39:58.320
<v Speaker 2>denied this politely and asked to be left alone. Then

647
00:39:58.360 --> 00:39:59.920
<v Speaker 2>my bed was moved to the middle of the wor

648
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<v Speaker 2>where there were around ten male nurses. They grabbed hold

649
00:40:04.960 --> 00:40:06.719
<v Speaker 2>of me and moved me to a bed on which

650
00:40:06.760 --> 00:40:10.280
<v Speaker 2>there were restraining straps. I reminded them that I suffer

651
00:40:10.280 --> 00:40:15.119
<v Speaker 2>from chronic rheumatored arthritis and asked them to stop manhandling me. Nevertheless,

652
00:40:15.159 --> 00:40:17.480
<v Speaker 2>they strapped me down and applied the straps with such

653
00:40:17.639 --> 00:40:20.440
<v Speaker 2>force that the blood flow to my hands was restricted.

654
00:40:21.199 --> 00:40:24.639
<v Speaker 2>I was then left like this for several hours. At

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<v Speaker 2>no stage did I offer any physical resistance to this assault.

656
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<v Speaker 2>Firstly because I am a calm placid, non violent person. Secondly,

657
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<v Speaker 2>because I suffer from chronic rheumatoid arthritis, so any attempt

658
00:40:36.519 --> 00:40:38.679
<v Speaker 2>to use my fists or feet in a violent fashion

659
00:40:38.920 --> 00:40:42.320
<v Speaker 2>would have resulted in me suffering severe pain. And Thirdly,

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<v Speaker 2>when faced with ten or so opponents, resistance would have

661
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<v Speaker 2>been futile. Furthermore, passive resistance to violence places one on

662
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<v Speaker 2>the higher moral ground. Once I was strapped down, one

663
00:40:55.199 --> 00:40:59.719
<v Speaker 2>of the nurses grabbed my genitalia. I noticed a female doctor,

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<v Speaker 2>possibly doctor Weisensteiner, hovering in the background. I assume that

665
00:41:04.719 --> 00:41:06.760
<v Speaker 2>she was hoping I would be violent, giving her the

666
00:41:06.880 --> 00:41:10.000
<v Speaker 2>excuse to use the liquid cosh, which, for anyone who

667
00:41:10.000 --> 00:41:13.760
<v Speaker 2>doesn't know, is brain altering chemicals with irreversible effects to

668
00:41:13.800 --> 00:41:17.920
<v Speaker 2>send people gargar. Such behavior by the staff of the

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<v Speaker 2>Sigmund Freud Klinicum appears to fit a pattern of contrived

670
00:41:22.039 --> 00:41:25.880
<v Speaker 2>incidents designed to provoke me into a violent reaction so

671
00:41:25.920 --> 00:41:27.880
<v Speaker 2>that the staff here have an excuse to drug me.

672
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<v Speaker 2>It should be noted that the drug doctor Weissensteiner prescribed,

673
00:41:32.039 --> 00:41:35.079
<v Speaker 2>which I have refused to take, would lead to permanent

674
00:41:35.159 --> 00:41:40.079
<v Speaker 2>brain damage. This incident was the latest in a series

675
00:41:40.119 --> 00:41:43.559
<v Speaker 2>of criminal offenses committed against me here, which include one

676
00:41:43.760 --> 00:41:48.039
<v Speaker 2>imprisoning a sane person for life in a psychiatric institution,

677
00:41:48.559 --> 00:41:51.360
<v Speaker 2>a known violation of Article three of the European Convention

678
00:41:51.400 --> 00:41:54.440
<v Speaker 2>on Human Rights and considered it to be tantamount to torture.

679
00:41:55.119 --> 00:41:58.440
<v Speaker 2>Two attempting to get a sane person to take unnecessary

680
00:41:58.559 --> 00:42:01.760
<v Speaker 2>life changing medication, which is an attempt to inflict serious

681
00:42:01.760 --> 00:42:04.599
<v Speaker 2>bodily harm, and three as well as a breach of

682
00:42:04.599 --> 00:42:08.760
<v Speaker 2>the Hipocratic oath of course, and three strapping a disabled

683
00:42:08.800 --> 00:42:11.960
<v Speaker 2>person to a bed knowing I suffer from arthritis, which

684
00:42:12.039 --> 00:42:16.440
<v Speaker 2>is an assault occasioning actual bodily harm. Not to be forgotten.

685
00:42:16.480 --> 00:42:19.400
<v Speaker 2>Peter Hofsher concludes in this report is that my house

686
00:42:19.480 --> 00:42:22.719
<v Speaker 2>in Austria can only be sold when I'm dead. The

687
00:42:22.760 --> 00:42:26.440
<v Speaker 2>assaults and torment to which I'm being subjected appear to

688
00:42:26.480 --> 00:42:29.039
<v Speaker 2>be designed to cause me so much stress that I

689
00:42:29.119 --> 00:42:33.039
<v Speaker 2>may be tempted to commit suicide. Before I hand back

690
00:42:33.079 --> 00:42:35.599
<v Speaker 2>to you, Brian, I'll just say that Peter Hofsherer has

691
00:42:35.639 --> 00:42:38.559
<v Speaker 2>found out from friends who the city councilor in the

692
00:42:38.559 --> 00:42:42.559
<v Speaker 2>city of Grutz is who covers issues of oversight of

693
00:42:42.559 --> 00:42:47.639
<v Speaker 2>the health system. It's a chap called Robert Krotzer. Krtzer

694
00:42:47.960 --> 00:42:50.760
<v Speaker 2>easily found contact details online. I have to say I

695
00:42:50.800 --> 00:42:52.719
<v Speaker 2>have little faith in the man. Not only does he

696
00:42:52.760 --> 00:42:55.639
<v Speaker 2>look startlingly young to have such a responsible job, but

697
00:42:55.719 --> 00:43:00.559
<v Speaker 2>he belongs to the cape UH, the Communist Party of Austria.

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00:43:01.000 --> 00:43:05.000
<v Speaker 1>I think, Alex that many people who've listened in to

699
00:43:05.119 --> 00:43:08.519
<v Speaker 1>that statement that you've just read out will be utterly horrified,

700
00:43:09.400 --> 00:43:11.559
<v Speaker 1>and I can imagine that quite a few of them

701
00:43:11.639 --> 00:43:16.800
<v Speaker 1>will be very frightened indeed by what they're listening to,

702
00:43:17.000 --> 00:43:20.880
<v Speaker 1>because for the average person to understand that somebody can

703
00:43:20.920 --> 00:43:24.280
<v Speaker 1>be taken off the streets, not go through a proper

704
00:43:24.320 --> 00:43:28.320
<v Speaker 1>trial process, and then end up in a psychiatric unit

705
00:43:28.400 --> 00:43:33.960
<v Speaker 1>where they're trying to forcibly administer psychotropic drugs. This is

706
00:43:34.000 --> 00:43:37.880
<v Speaker 1>the stuff of horror films. But you're talking about Peter

707
00:43:38.039 --> 00:43:43.119
<v Speaker 1>in this case. Into my mind comes Melanie Shaw, And

708
00:43:43.519 --> 00:43:47.440
<v Speaker 1>for listeners who have not heard this name before, Melanie

709
00:43:47.519 --> 00:43:52.440
<v Speaker 1>Shaw was a child abuse survivor from Beechwood Children's Home

710
00:43:52.519 --> 00:43:56.960
<v Speaker 1>in Nottingham. She blew the whistle on the abuse of

711
00:43:57.039 --> 00:44:01.159
<v Speaker 1>children at that location. She also so says the death

712
00:44:01.159 --> 00:44:04.719
<v Speaker 1>of children at that location. And even though the police

713
00:44:04.760 --> 00:44:09.639
<v Speaker 1>supposedly carry out an investigation of Beechwood and another seven

714
00:44:09.760 --> 00:44:15.679
<v Speaker 1>or eight other children's homes, Melanie is rapidly silenced, first

715
00:44:15.679 --> 00:44:19.239
<v Speaker 1>of all being put in prison, but later put in

716
00:44:19.280 --> 00:44:24.719
<v Speaker 1>prison again without any proper charges against her. Certainly she

717
00:44:24.840 --> 00:44:28.239
<v Speaker 1>didn't know what the charges against her were, nor did

718
00:44:28.280 --> 00:44:30.519
<v Speaker 1>she know the time that she would be in prison.

719
00:44:31.119 --> 00:44:34.719
<v Speaker 1>But while she was in prison, she has been kept

720
00:44:34.760 --> 00:44:39.920
<v Speaker 1>in solitary confinement for over eighteen nineteen months. She's been

721
00:44:40.000 --> 00:44:46.000
<v Speaker 1>denied medication, She's been denied a basic facility such as

722
00:44:46.239 --> 00:44:50.639
<v Speaker 1>education provision or even doing a small job. She has

723
00:44:50.719 --> 00:44:56.320
<v Speaker 1>been brutalized. And we ask ourselves why, And the only

724
00:44:56.360 --> 00:44:59.079
<v Speaker 1>answer I can come to is because the state is

725
00:44:59.280 --> 00:45:05.320
<v Speaker 1>terrified of the information melanieawholds about the abuse of children

726
00:45:05.960 --> 00:45:10.760
<v Speaker 1>by members of the public, but also bymps and people

727
00:45:10.760 --> 00:45:14.719
<v Speaker 1>in the establishment. I can also think of Carol Woods,

728
00:45:15.320 --> 00:45:19.320
<v Speaker 1>a social worker whose crime was to speak out and

729
00:45:19.480 --> 00:45:25.280
<v Speaker 1>say that social workers were lying and falsifying reports in

730
00:45:25.400 --> 00:45:29.119
<v Speaker 1>order to take children away from their parents. Babies away

731
00:45:29.119 --> 00:45:34.079
<v Speaker 1>from their parents. When Carol brought her evidence forward, was

732
00:45:34.119 --> 00:45:37.960
<v Speaker 1>she listened to? Was she supported? Was she protected?

733
00:45:38.559 --> 00:45:38.639
<v Speaker 2>No?

734
00:45:38.920 --> 00:45:43.760
<v Speaker 1>The exact opposite occurred and she was placed in the

735
00:45:43.800 --> 00:45:48.400
<v Speaker 1>succession of psychiatric units in UK, where she was appallingly

736
00:45:48.519 --> 00:45:54.079
<v Speaker 1>treated and drugged on occasions. I can also think of

737
00:45:54.119 --> 00:45:59.079
<v Speaker 1>another lady called Emma from Cornwall. Emma's crime was to

738
00:45:59.159 --> 00:46:04.360
<v Speaker 1>say that she believe that inappropriate photographs were being taken

739
00:46:05.239 --> 00:46:08.800
<v Speaker 1>of children at the primary school in Cornwall. When Emma

740
00:46:08.880 --> 00:46:14.199
<v Speaker 1>went to the authorities with her information, was she listened to?

741
00:46:14.760 --> 00:46:14.840
<v Speaker 2>Know?

742
00:46:15.199 --> 00:46:18.400
<v Speaker 1>Was she supported? Know? What happened to her? She was

743
00:46:18.440 --> 00:46:24.719
<v Speaker 1>eventually accused of Well what was she accused of? She

744
00:46:24.840 --> 00:46:29.360
<v Speaker 1>was accused of nothing really apart from causing trouble. But

745
00:46:29.840 --> 00:46:35.920
<v Speaker 1>she was then sectioned, taken to a psychiatric facility in Cornwall,

746
00:46:36.519 --> 00:46:41.280
<v Speaker 1>and we still hold the audio recording of Emma speaking

747
00:46:41.320 --> 00:46:45.760
<v Speaker 1>from that facility where she is crying and saying they

748
00:46:45.840 --> 00:46:47.599
<v Speaker 1>want to forcibly medicate me.

749
00:46:51.199 --> 00:46:53.599
<v Speaker 2>I've just spoke to someone and the time to say that.

750
00:46:55.679 --> 00:46:56.360
<v Speaker 1>Medications.

751
00:46:57.440 --> 00:47:01.639
<v Speaker 2>I think they have me to take it if I will,

752
00:47:03.679 --> 00:47:05.280
<v Speaker 2>well you have any sort.

753
00:47:05.119 --> 00:47:14.840
<v Speaker 1>Of down them. So I am sitting here, I'm recalling

754
00:47:14.920 --> 00:47:17.480
<v Speaker 1>these cases from my own memory, but all of them

755
00:47:17.519 --> 00:47:21.400
<v Speaker 1>were reinforced by evidence at the time. What we can

756
00:47:21.519 --> 00:47:26.800
<v Speaker 1>see is this practice of psychiatric abuse is being used.

757
00:47:27.079 --> 00:47:30.119
<v Speaker 1>It is used in UK, it's being used in Europe.

758
00:47:30.599 --> 00:47:34.960
<v Speaker 1>But what we are seeing the in Peter Hosherer's case

759
00:47:35.320 --> 00:47:40.199
<v Speaker 1>again is that this system can be brought into use

760
00:47:40.519 --> 00:47:45.880
<v Speaker 1>across national borders. So this is not something which just

761
00:47:46.000 --> 00:47:50.360
<v Speaker 1>resides within the UK. In some ways, there's the availability

762
00:47:50.519 --> 00:47:56.199
<v Speaker 1>to link people in Britain and Austria. And if I

763
00:47:56.239 --> 00:48:00.880
<v Speaker 1>remember another case, which was a French lady called Kareem Guget,

764
00:48:01.639 --> 00:48:06.840
<v Speaker 1>where Krene was desperately worried that her two daughters were

765
00:48:06.880 --> 00:48:13.480
<v Speaker 1>suffering abuse. Karen was also subjected to this psychiatric attack

766
00:48:13.840 --> 00:48:17.679
<v Speaker 1>and had the police houndinger in both Britain and France.

767
00:48:18.599 --> 00:48:22.800
<v Speaker 1>And in her case you could see from the documents

768
00:48:22.880 --> 00:48:27.920
<v Speaker 1>how there was a fluidity in the court attack on

769
00:48:28.039 --> 00:48:32.599
<v Speaker 1>her moving from the English child protection courts across to

770
00:48:32.679 --> 00:48:38.159
<v Speaker 1>the French courts, and at the time we began to

771
00:48:38.280 --> 00:48:43.039
<v Speaker 1>see that the common theme was always children and child abuse.

772
00:48:43.280 --> 00:48:47.400
<v Speaker 1>This seemed to produce the ultimate linkage as to how

773
00:48:48.000 --> 00:48:52.280
<v Speaker 1>this type of brutalized, brutalizing behavior was able to move

774
00:48:52.719 --> 00:48:58.920
<v Speaker 1>between national borders. And I think at that point I'll say, Alex,

775
00:49:00.559 --> 00:49:02.480
<v Speaker 1>all of the work that I've done on my own,

776
00:49:02.639 --> 00:49:05.519
<v Speaker 1>the work other people have brought to me, leads me

777
00:49:05.639 --> 00:49:12.119
<v Speaker 1>to believe that we are encountering a very high level, corrupt,

778
00:49:13.880 --> 00:49:18.840
<v Speaker 1>organized system of organized crime. But there is something immensely

779
00:49:19.000 --> 00:49:23.880
<v Speaker 1>dark about it, in its power and the brutality which

780
00:49:23.960 --> 00:49:26.760
<v Speaker 1>is prepared to unleash on on individuals.

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00:49:27.079 --> 00:49:29.880
<v Speaker 2>If people are worried that we've gone off, perhaps too

782
00:49:29.920 --> 00:49:33.280
<v Speaker 2>far with our enthusiasm or horror by talking about the

783
00:49:33.400 --> 00:49:36.400
<v Speaker 2>level of corruption involved, I should at this point mention

784
00:49:36.840 --> 00:49:40.320
<v Speaker 2>a very brief one paragraph letter, an open letter which

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00:49:40.480 --> 00:49:44.960
<v Speaker 2>veteran child abuse victims campaigner Robert Green has written today

786
00:49:45.000 --> 00:49:49.039
<v Speaker 2>the twenty fourth of February twenty eighteen to Baroness Hale

787
00:49:49.079 --> 00:49:53.280
<v Speaker 2>of Richmond of the Supreme Court, which says this, Dear

788
00:49:53.360 --> 00:49:58.159
<v Speaker 2>baroness Hale, subject line satanism in the judiciary in the

789
00:49:58.199 --> 00:50:01.320
<v Speaker 2>family Division question mark and of course the Family Division

790
00:50:01.599 --> 00:50:04.320
<v Speaker 2>is akin in its secrecy to the Court of Protection,

791
00:50:04.400 --> 00:50:07.840
<v Speaker 2>which concerns old people. The Family Division concerns child cases.

792
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<v Speaker 2>Of course, Dear baroness Hale, writes Robert Green, enclosed as

793
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<v Speaker 2>a letter by me dated the fifteenth of January to

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<v Speaker 2>Sir James Mumby, President of the Family Division. Disappointingly, Sir

795
00:50:18.880 --> 00:50:22.719
<v Speaker 2>James has failed to respond to this important matter of concern,

796
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<v Speaker 2>and he was asking, Sir James Mumby, could you confirm

797
00:50:25.679 --> 00:50:27.599
<v Speaker 2>that there are members of the judiciary in the Family

798
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<v Speaker 2>Division who may hold Satanist beliefs while serving in the court.

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<v Speaker 2>There was no response, so Robert Green says, disappointing me,

800
00:50:35.079 --> 00:50:37.119
<v Speaker 2>Sir James has failed to respond. So I would like

801
00:50:37.159 --> 00:50:39.360
<v Speaker 2>to appeal to you to urge him to provide an

802
00:50:39.440 --> 00:50:43.079
<v Speaker 2>answer without undue delay, Which is, can judges rule on

803
00:50:43.119 --> 00:50:45.159
<v Speaker 2>the lives of children or indeed old people as in

804
00:50:45.159 --> 00:50:49.280
<v Speaker 2>the offshore case, while being Satanists? As Robert Green adds,

805
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<v Speaker 2>as the matter presents the possibility of obvious risks the

806
00:50:52.320 --> 00:50:55.599
<v Speaker 2>vulnerable people. Whilst this issue is not being addressed due

807
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<v Speaker 2>to the widespread and entirely justified concerns about the operation

808
00:50:58.840 --> 00:51:01.400
<v Speaker 2>of the Family Division in Jeni and in the Offshore case,

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<v Speaker 2>it's the Court of Protection. I have decided to make

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00:51:04.000 --> 00:51:07.639
<v Speaker 2>this an open letter. I await your acknowledgment and trust

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<v Speaker 2>that as head of a Supreme Court, I can rely

812
00:51:09.880 --> 00:51:14.280
<v Speaker 2>on your cooperation in the interests of justice, decency and humanity.

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<v Speaker 2>So right, Robert Green, I suspect you'll get silent or

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<v Speaker 2>a farbov Again.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, that's a very powerful letter, Alex. And I'm trying

816
00:51:24.840 --> 00:51:28.360
<v Speaker 1>to think the things that our audience might be thinking

817
00:51:28.440 --> 00:51:30.679
<v Speaker 1>at the moment, and I'm quite sure some people will

818
00:51:30.719 --> 00:51:35.880
<v Speaker 1>be saying, well, this is just too incredible. And if

819
00:51:35.880 --> 00:51:37.840
<v Speaker 1>there are people out there at the moment who are

820
00:51:37.840 --> 00:51:41.599
<v Speaker 1>saying for us to suggest that the seat of this

821
00:51:41.920 --> 00:51:47.159
<v Speaker 1>very very criminal power in UK and overseas in Europe

822
00:51:47.199 --> 00:51:53.480
<v Speaker 1>in other countries, comes back to the power of Satanist bodies.

823
00:51:54.159 --> 00:51:57.320
<v Speaker 1>We have to remember that it is our own government

824
00:51:57.440 --> 00:52:02.920
<v Speaker 1>in the United Kingdom which approves Satanism for use on

825
00:52:03.000 --> 00:52:07.920
<v Speaker 1>board British warships. So the British Government, in collusion with

826
00:52:08.039 --> 00:52:14.639
<v Speaker 1>the Ministry of Defense, has not only fully recognized Satanism.

827
00:52:14.719 --> 00:52:17.360
<v Speaker 1>We don't have to say does it exist. I'm going

828
00:52:17.400 --> 00:52:20.679
<v Speaker 1>to say it must exist, because the British Government and

829
00:52:20.719 --> 00:52:25.280
<v Speaker 1>the Ministry of Defense not only say it exists, but

830
00:52:25.400 --> 00:52:29.440
<v Speaker 1>they think that this is acceptable practice for use on

831
00:52:29.480 --> 00:52:33.280
<v Speaker 1>board warships. And I can say more or less the

832
00:52:33.320 --> 00:52:40.360
<v Speaker 1>same breath. It's remarkable that since this has been introduced.

833
00:52:40.960 --> 00:52:48.079
<v Speaker 1>We know that the incident of very unpleasant bullying and

834
00:52:48.239 --> 00:52:54.119
<v Speaker 1>assaults and threats going on on board warships is increasing,

835
00:52:54.840 --> 00:52:57.440
<v Speaker 1>and I have good reason to believe it's also going

836
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<v Speaker 1>on now in other areas of the military. So remarkable

837
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<v Speaker 1>that we would have a government that would not say, well,

838
00:53:06.639 --> 00:53:10.199
<v Speaker 1>we're not too sure about what this practice means, but

839
00:53:10.280 --> 00:53:13.519
<v Speaker 1>a government that would want to promote it. And today

840
00:53:13.599 --> 00:53:18.360
<v Speaker 1>I was also informed that there's a job advert for

841
00:53:18.559 --> 00:53:24.960
<v Speaker 1>a pagan minister to work in Dartmoor Prison, and I

842
00:53:25.039 --> 00:53:28.199
<v Speaker 1>believe that the salary is about twenty nine thousand pounds

843
00:53:28.719 --> 00:53:32.639
<v Speaker 1>for an eighteen and a half hour week, which seems

844
00:53:32.639 --> 00:53:36.440
<v Speaker 1>to me a particularly lucrative job. But I'd like to

845
00:53:36.480 --> 00:53:40.280
<v Speaker 1>know what this pagan minister is going to do. I'm

846
00:53:40.320 --> 00:53:44.159
<v Speaker 1>also going to say, because I can perhaps detect some

847
00:53:44.280 --> 00:53:47.760
<v Speaker 1>of the response from the audience, yes, but that's a pagan,

848
00:53:49.039 --> 00:53:51.559
<v Speaker 1>and I will then say, well, he might hear or

849
00:53:51.639 --> 00:53:54.840
<v Speaker 1>she might be. But of course we know that the

850
00:53:55.440 --> 00:54:01.639
<v Speaker 1>key attributes of Satanism or of Satanism is to infiltrate

851
00:54:02.159 --> 00:54:07.440
<v Speaker 1>and use other organizations. So if people are fearful of

852
00:54:07.480 --> 00:54:11.079
<v Speaker 1>what a secret society like the Masonic society is capable

853
00:54:11.159 --> 00:54:16.519
<v Speaker 1>of doing. When we move to the Satanic society, then

854
00:54:17.000 --> 00:54:20.199
<v Speaker 1>anything and everything is possible. It's possible to be a

855
00:54:20.280 --> 00:54:24.360
<v Speaker 1>Christian minister on the surface but be a Satanist underneath.

856
00:54:24.760 --> 00:54:30.039
<v Speaker 1>It's possible to run a Christian church as a Christian

857
00:54:30.159 --> 00:54:33.519
<v Speaker 1>church on the surface, but underneath it's run as a

858
00:54:33.559 --> 00:54:38.760
<v Speaker 1>Satanic system. So we are starting to get on some

859
00:54:39.000 --> 00:54:42.400
<v Speaker 1>very very dark areas, and of course where people have

860
00:54:42.480 --> 00:54:47.239
<v Speaker 1>done excellent research in the past in order to get

861
00:54:47.320 --> 00:54:51.280
<v Speaker 1>some of this truth up to the surface, it's invariably

862
00:54:51.320 --> 00:54:56.039
<v Speaker 1>the case that they've started to be subjected to harassment

863
00:54:56.159 --> 00:55:02.039
<v Speaker 1>and threats themselves. And I've got just on my bookshelves

864
00:55:02.079 --> 00:55:04.880
<v Speaker 1>for the side of me a book called Blasphemous Rumors

865
00:55:04.960 --> 00:55:08.840
<v Speaker 1>by a gentleman called Andrew Boyd, and he is saying

866
00:55:08.920 --> 00:55:14.159
<v Speaker 1>is Satanic ritual abuse fact or fantasy? And investigation His

867
00:55:14.320 --> 00:55:17.519
<v Speaker 1>conclusion is that it's real. But also he was one

868
00:55:17.599 --> 00:55:24.280
<v Speaker 1>of the several researchers who encountered very vicious threats and

869
00:55:24.360 --> 00:55:27.519
<v Speaker 1>bullying the moment they attempted to touch on this subject.

870
00:55:28.119 --> 00:55:30.920
<v Speaker 1>If there's nothing to hide, why would that be.

871
00:55:31.519 --> 00:55:34.840
<v Speaker 2>And who would be less likely Brian to start talking

872
00:55:34.920 --> 00:55:38.599
<v Speaker 2>about having been victimized by Satanists and child abusers than

873
00:55:38.639 --> 00:55:45.440
<v Speaker 2>an apparently secular, balanced, non religiously committed, non fantasizing historian

874
00:55:45.519 --> 00:55:48.639
<v Speaker 2>of some repute, who, until this tragedy befell him ten

875
00:55:48.719 --> 00:55:52.039
<v Speaker 2>years ago, had been peacefully writing books about the Napoleonic Wars,

876
00:55:52.480 --> 00:55:55.159
<v Speaker 2>with no element of conspiracy theory in his writing at all.

877
00:55:55.599 --> 00:55:58.719
<v Speaker 2>It seems to me that he is the least likely

878
00:55:58.800 --> 00:56:00.679
<v Speaker 2>person who have made any of this up. And if

879
00:56:00.679 --> 00:56:02.800
<v Speaker 2>you listen to him speaking in his own voice by

880
00:56:02.840 --> 00:56:06.159
<v Speaker 2>going to mixcloud dot com and finding Anti Peacher, you

881
00:56:06.159 --> 00:56:08.719
<v Speaker 2>will provide the link Anti Peacher talking to Peter. You

882
00:56:08.760 --> 00:56:11.519
<v Speaker 2>will hear he's the most down to earth, unspooked out

883
00:56:11.559 --> 00:56:13.480
<v Speaker 2>Englishman you could ever hope to hear.

884
00:56:14.280 --> 00:56:19.000
<v Speaker 1>Yes, and this is really what we should be paying

885
00:56:19.039 --> 00:56:24.639
<v Speaker 1>attention to. Society should exist on the basis that when

886
00:56:24.719 --> 00:56:29.079
<v Speaker 1>somebody comes forward and says that they have suffered a

887
00:56:29.159 --> 00:56:33.280
<v Speaker 1>wrong I was walking along the road and a man

888
00:56:33.400 --> 00:56:38.800
<v Speaker 1>assaulted me. You may be the only person who was present,

889
00:56:39.719 --> 00:56:44.440
<v Speaker 1>but society should take your word initially, and it should

890
00:56:44.480 --> 00:56:48.599
<v Speaker 1>then investigate, and it should consider whether your word against

891
00:56:48.639 --> 00:56:52.960
<v Speaker 1>the word of another individual is the truth. But clearly

892
00:56:53.000 --> 00:56:56.480
<v Speaker 1>this is no longer happening because when people come forward

893
00:56:57.000 --> 00:57:02.079
<v Speaker 1>to say what happened to them, they are shut down

894
00:57:02.239 --> 00:57:06.480
<v Speaker 1>without that proper investigation. This is what makes John Wedger's

895
00:57:06.480 --> 00:57:11.280
<v Speaker 1>case so powerful that he recounts in great detail every

896
00:57:11.400 --> 00:57:16.000
<v Speaker 1>time he tried to warn about what was happening with children,

897
00:57:17.320 --> 00:57:22.760
<v Speaker 1>the abuse, the grooming, the drug taking, the prostitution, and

898
00:57:22.840 --> 00:57:25.760
<v Speaker 1>ultimately the little girl being found dead in the gutter.

899
00:57:27.079 --> 00:57:33.119
<v Speaker 1>There was no proper response from his police colleagues. In fact,

900
00:57:33.599 --> 00:57:36.480
<v Speaker 1>it was worse than they wouldn't listen to him. He

901
00:57:36.599 --> 00:57:39.880
<v Speaker 1>was threatened to shut up. And there can only be

902
00:57:39.960 --> 00:57:44.239
<v Speaker 1>one reason for this that individuals in the Metropolitan Police

903
00:57:44.760 --> 00:57:51.199
<v Speaker 1>and colleagues within Westminster local authorities charities have an interest

904
00:57:51.280 --> 00:57:55.239
<v Speaker 1>in covering up anybody who is pointing a finger at

905
00:57:55.239 --> 00:57:57.079
<v Speaker 1>what is happening to children.

906
00:57:57.960 --> 00:58:01.400
<v Speaker 2>With that in mind, Brian, I shall read out my chronology,

907
00:58:01.719 --> 00:58:05.360
<v Speaker 2>which I've boiled down from Peter's own words in his

908
00:58:05.480 --> 00:58:08.920
<v Speaker 2>call to Andi Pecher, and this is basically in telegram

909
00:58:09.079 --> 00:58:12.400
<v Speaker 2>style the events and do just interrupt me at any

910
00:58:12.400 --> 00:58:14.400
<v Speaker 2>point if anything occurs to you, but I think will

911
00:58:14.639 --> 00:58:17.400
<v Speaker 2>more or less leave the listeners. With this chronology, we've

912
00:58:17.480 --> 00:58:19.079
<v Speaker 2>done all this build up and now people can get

913
00:58:19.079 --> 00:58:21.039
<v Speaker 2>a sense of what's happening at what stage in the

914
00:58:21.039 --> 00:58:22.920
<v Speaker 2>case over the last decade.

915
00:58:23.960 --> 00:58:26.880
<v Speaker 1>Before you do that, als, we'll just remind our listeners

916
00:58:26.920 --> 00:58:29.840
<v Speaker 1>that these are, of course the allegations that obeye my

917
00:58:30.199 --> 00:58:31.280
<v Speaker 1>Peter himself.

918
00:58:32.400 --> 00:58:35.079
<v Speaker 2>So here we are two thousand and eight. Peter, who

919
00:58:35.079 --> 00:58:38.280
<v Speaker 2>partly grew up in Germany for years and has dual citizenship,

920
00:58:38.320 --> 00:58:40.280
<v Speaker 2>and who at this stage lives in Austria. In two

921
00:58:40.280 --> 00:58:43.199
<v Speaker 2>thousand and eight, rushes back to York to find eighty

922
00:58:43.239 --> 00:58:46.039
<v Speaker 2>seven year old father ill with a heart condition and

923
00:58:46.119 --> 00:58:49.679
<v Speaker 2>both parents being neglected. September two thousand and eight, North

924
00:58:49.760 --> 00:58:53.280
<v Speaker 2>Yorkshire Police make their first attempt to arrest Peter. Social

925
00:58:53.280 --> 00:58:56.519
<v Speaker 2>Services make the officer investigating the matter disappear from the case.

926
00:58:57.880 --> 00:59:01.400
<v Speaker 2>January two thousand and nine, died of his second bout

927
00:59:01.400 --> 00:59:04.440
<v Speaker 2>of bronchitis. Through two thousand and nine, Peter and his mother,

928
00:59:04.519 --> 00:59:08.000
<v Speaker 2>Barbara adapt a house to keep Barbara safe in having

929
00:59:08.039 --> 00:59:10.480
<v Speaker 2>been chased out of the parental home which was otherwise

930
00:59:10.519 --> 00:59:14.440
<v Speaker 2>going to have been Peter's by power of attorney. Autumn

931
00:59:14.480 --> 00:59:18.400
<v Speaker 2>two thousand and nine, your social services refuse to safeguard

932
00:59:18.400 --> 00:59:23.079
<v Speaker 2>Peter and Barbara. Twenty ten Peter and Barbara realize they're

933
00:59:23.079 --> 00:59:26.119
<v Speaker 2>stuck in Austria and find that no British solicitors are

934
00:59:26.159 --> 00:59:28.840
<v Speaker 2>willing to assist them. That's lawyers for our overseas listeners.

935
00:59:29.840 --> 00:59:33.000
<v Speaker 2>The Member of Parliament is not interested. Social Services are

936
00:59:33.000 --> 00:59:35.960
<v Speaker 2>at this point in twenty ten ordered to reinvestigate by

937
00:59:35.960 --> 00:59:41.159
<v Speaker 2>two independent bodies and ignore the matter. Twy eleven, twenty twelve,

938
00:59:41.800 --> 00:59:45.519
<v Speaker 2>the Ulster Unionist Lord Ken McGinnis begins raising the case

939
00:59:45.559 --> 00:59:48.000
<v Speaker 2>in the House of Lords. Home Office ministers replied that

940
00:59:48.039 --> 00:59:51.159
<v Speaker 2>it's a police matter and that they cannot comment. Lord

941
00:59:51.239 --> 00:59:53.800
<v Speaker 2>McGinnis tells the Lords that he has shown Theresa May,

942
00:59:53.800 --> 00:59:55.840
<v Speaker 2>who at this point was the Home Secretary the British

943
00:59:55.920 --> 00:59:59.400
<v Speaker 2>Interior Minister, hundreds of documents about fraud and corruption in

944
00:59:59.440 --> 01:00:03.000
<v Speaker 2>North york Shire. Peter's solicitor, Mister Crawford, says that the

945
01:00:03.079 --> 01:00:05.960
<v Speaker 2>documents would convict the Social Work Department and all North

946
01:00:06.000 --> 01:00:10.199
<v Speaker 2>Yorkshire Police senior officers. Peter and Barbara lie low in

947
01:00:10.239 --> 01:00:13.320
<v Speaker 2>Austria during these years two thousand and eleven twenty twelve,

948
01:00:13.559 --> 01:00:18.000
<v Speaker 2>awaiting ministerial responses. The responses end up being bog off

949
01:00:18.079 --> 01:00:20.639
<v Speaker 2>right up to the then Prime Minister David Cameron through

950
01:00:20.639 --> 01:00:22.880
<v Speaker 2>this period. Theresa May is the kingpin of this as

951
01:00:22.920 --> 01:00:27.920
<v Speaker 2>Home Secretary. July twenty and eleven, when Peter and Barbara

952
01:00:28.039 --> 01:00:29.559
<v Speaker 2>regain control of the house.

953
01:00:30.119 --> 01:00:30.800
<v Speaker 1>This is in York.

954
01:00:31.079 --> 01:00:33.880
<v Speaker 2>Two computer hard drives that's loose from any personal computer

955
01:00:34.000 --> 01:00:36.880
<v Speaker 2>are found in the house which demonstrably were not there

956
01:00:36.920 --> 01:00:39.960
<v Speaker 2>before because there had been a bailiff's inventorization of the

957
01:00:39.960 --> 01:00:42.800
<v Speaker 2>property after the last time that Peter had had access.

958
01:00:42.920 --> 01:00:44.400
<v Speaker 2>So that's the beginning of the fitting up for the

959
01:00:44.480 --> 01:00:50.199
<v Speaker 2>child abuse images. Twenty twelve. North Yorkshire Police becomes embroiled

960
01:00:50.199 --> 01:00:53.519
<v Speaker 2>in scandals and above all the scandal breaks of the

961
01:00:53.599 --> 01:00:56.000
<v Speaker 2>Jacko Neelly that's the mayor of Scarborough until he died

962
01:00:56.000 --> 01:00:59.639
<v Speaker 2>in nineteen ninety nine, and Jimmy Savile scandal. This was

963
01:00:59.679 --> 01:01:03.480
<v Speaker 2>just the time Jimmy Savile died. Barbara begins blogging in

964
01:01:03.519 --> 01:01:06.800
<v Speaker 2>her own right under the name Grandma b. The blog

965
01:01:06.880 --> 01:01:10.920
<v Speaker 2>is still up at Grandma Barbara dot WordPress dot com.

966
01:01:11.280 --> 01:01:14.639
<v Speaker 2>Harris meant charges are cooked up, although at law one

967
01:01:14.679 --> 01:01:20.360
<v Speaker 2>cannot harass by stating true information. May twenty twelve. Lord

968
01:01:20.440 --> 01:01:23.400
<v Speaker 2>McGinnis's last statement in Parliament on the matter calls for

969
01:01:23.440 --> 01:01:28.519
<v Speaker 2>a criminal investigation into North Yorkshire Police. There is no response. Also,

970
01:01:28.559 --> 01:01:32.000
<v Speaker 2>in May twenty and twelve, Peter replies to the Austrian

971
01:01:32.039 --> 01:01:36.920
<v Speaker 2>court to reopen the case. June twenty twelve, a woman

972
01:01:36.960 --> 01:01:39.639
<v Speaker 2>at North Yorkshire Police writes to Peter, pretending that he

973
01:01:39.719 --> 01:01:42.960
<v Speaker 2>is harassing them and that he supposedly must come back

974
01:01:42.960 --> 01:01:47.400
<v Speaker 2>to Britain immediately. Peter replies, pointing out that she is

975
01:01:47.519 --> 01:01:51.559
<v Speaker 2>acting beyond authority and that if North Yorkshire Police issued

976
01:01:51.599 --> 01:01:53.760
<v Speaker 2>a European arrest warrant it would be challenged by the

977
01:01:53.800 --> 01:01:59.199
<v Speaker 2>Austrians for grounds. She never writes to him again. July

978
01:01:59.280 --> 01:02:02.360
<v Speaker 2>two thousand and two, well, the same Austrian judge as

979
01:02:02.400 --> 01:02:05.199
<v Speaker 2>before issues his pronouncement there will be no reopening of

980
01:02:05.239 --> 01:02:10.960
<v Speaker 2>the case because Peter supposedly lacks mental capacity. Twenty twelve

981
01:02:11.000 --> 01:02:15.760
<v Speaker 2>to twenty thirteen, Peter fights the mental incapacity allegations in Austria.

982
01:02:16.360 --> 01:02:19.800
<v Speaker 2>No Austrian mental health professional has ever examined him and

983
01:02:19.840 --> 01:02:24.480
<v Speaker 2>still hasn't out of twenty eighteen. Austrian courts tell Peter

984
01:02:24.599 --> 01:02:26.960
<v Speaker 2>in September twenty thirteen that he is going to be

985
01:02:27.000 --> 01:02:31.440
<v Speaker 2>sectioned confined because of his mental supposed condition. Peter wonders

986
01:02:31.480 --> 01:02:34.000
<v Speaker 2>what will happen to his mother. Then he says that

987
01:02:34.000 --> 01:02:38.440
<v Speaker 2>there is obvious Yorkshire and Austria collusion. So in September

988
01:02:38.440 --> 01:02:42.800
<v Speaker 2>twenty thirteen, Peter and Barbara flee to Guterslaw, which is

989
01:02:42.840 --> 01:02:48.199
<v Speaker 2>near Paderborn in Westphalia, northwestern Germany, to lie Low. It

990
01:02:48.280 --> 01:02:50.320
<v Speaker 2>so happens that the town of Gutislow is also the

991
01:02:50.360 --> 01:02:53.000
<v Speaker 2>site of the one remaining base of the British Army

992
01:02:53.000 --> 01:02:57.440
<v Speaker 2>of the Rhine. The German local council at Gutuslow agrees

993
01:02:57.760 --> 01:03:01.199
<v Speaker 2>that North Yorkshire Police and the Austrian Judai are persecuting

994
01:03:01.519 --> 01:03:05.400
<v Speaker 2>Peter and Barbara. Underward them official German persecuted persons status

995
01:03:07.000 --> 01:03:11.559
<v Speaker 2>criminal helped Commissar Andreas Fogel of the nord Drinvestfahland Police

996
01:03:11.599 --> 01:03:14.320
<v Speaker 2>agrees to Peter that he will help him and his

997
01:03:14.360 --> 01:03:16.920
<v Speaker 2>mother lie Low and says if an arrest warrant is

998
01:03:16.920 --> 01:03:21.119
<v Speaker 2>issued from Britain, we will ignore it or Austria. January

999
01:03:21.119 --> 01:03:26.000
<v Speaker 2>twenty fourteen, North Yorkshire Police issue an inter pole request

1000
01:03:26.039 --> 01:03:29.800
<v Speaker 2>for Barbara, who has supposedly been kidnapped. Westphilia police know

1001
01:03:29.840 --> 01:03:33.440
<v Speaker 2>that this is nonsense. February two thousand and fourteen, the

1002
01:03:33.559 --> 01:03:38.440
<v Speaker 2>second such interpole request is sent out and ignored. May

1003
01:03:38.679 --> 01:03:42.679
<v Speaker 2>twenty fourteen, the third such Interpol request is sent out

1004
01:03:43.119 --> 01:03:46.519
<v Speaker 2>and this time Peter and Barbara are raided without warning

1005
01:03:46.559 --> 01:03:50.719
<v Speaker 2>while still in bed one morning. Fogel and he later

1006
01:03:50.760 --> 01:03:54.280
<v Speaker 2>admitted that this was under pressure, organizes the raid because

1007
01:03:54.280 --> 01:03:57.559
<v Speaker 2>it's his patch. Together with his colleague criminal helped Commissar

1008
01:03:57.639 --> 01:04:02.280
<v Speaker 2>villefried Vitkemper. Orders for this can only have come from

1009
01:04:02.400 --> 01:04:05.199
<v Speaker 2>or have been cleared by the Nordry invest Farland State

1010
01:04:05.320 --> 01:04:09.440
<v Speaker 2>Interior Minister and ultimately from the Chancellor of Germany, Missus

1011
01:04:09.440 --> 01:04:12.239
<v Speaker 2>mercle This is because it must have been coordinated on

1012
01:04:12.239 --> 01:04:14.519
<v Speaker 2>the British side from Cameron in Peter to judgment, so

1013
01:04:14.559 --> 01:04:18.119
<v Speaker 2>it would need peer to peer clearance. Folwell told a

1014
01:04:18.159 --> 01:04:20.920
<v Speaker 2>friend when this got back to Peter that I know

1015
01:04:21.079 --> 01:04:24.119
<v Speaker 2>what North Yorkshire police are like, but my hands were tied.

1016
01:04:25.079 --> 01:04:27.360
<v Speaker 2>On the morning of the raid in May twenty fourteen,

1017
01:04:27.840 --> 01:04:30.639
<v Speaker 2>ten men in civilian clothes with no id, led by

1018
01:04:30.679 --> 01:04:34.199
<v Speaker 2>a German speaking man, beat up Peter and Barbara, smash

1019
01:04:34.239 --> 01:04:38.079
<v Speaker 2>their video camera, handcuffed Peter and then pepper spray him

1020
01:04:38.079 --> 01:04:41.039
<v Speaker 2>in his face, emptying the rest of the canister on Barbara.

1021
01:04:42.159 --> 01:04:45.559
<v Speaker 2>Barbara is taken back to Britain and never heard from again.

1022
01:04:47.519 --> 01:04:50.280
<v Speaker 2>Neighbours later tell Peter that there were besides the ten

1023
01:04:50.320 --> 01:04:53.920
<v Speaker 2>who raided in their flat, another ten British men involved.

1024
01:04:53.960 --> 01:04:58.360
<v Speaker 2>And they say these were military police, not special forces,

1025
01:04:58.400 --> 01:05:01.559
<v Speaker 2>they said. And this may have been an assumption, you think,

1026
01:05:01.599 --> 01:05:04.800
<v Speaker 2>because around that part of Germany they were used to

1027
01:05:04.800 --> 01:05:06.800
<v Speaker 2>tough British men and they would call them red caps,

1028
01:05:06.800 --> 01:05:08.920
<v Speaker 2>because that's the kind of guys you would see policing

1029
01:05:09.079 --> 01:05:13.400
<v Speaker 2>around the basis. But no, that they were British military police.

1030
01:05:13.920 --> 01:05:16.800
<v Speaker 2>Arresting as a British civilian in Germany is later confirmed

1031
01:05:17.280 --> 01:05:19.239
<v Speaker 2>in the Tees Side court case, which we'll get to

1032
01:05:19.280 --> 01:05:23.159
<v Speaker 2>in a moment, by the Ministry of Defense. So Peter

1033
01:05:23.320 --> 01:05:25.800
<v Speaker 2>says that because the Ministry of Defense and the Foreign

1034
01:05:25.800 --> 01:05:28.880
<v Speaker 2>and Commonwealth Office would both have had to provide Secretary

1035
01:05:28.880 --> 01:05:32.519
<v Speaker 2>of State level clearance for this operation, therefore it must

1036
01:05:32.519 --> 01:05:35.519
<v Speaker 2>have been done in administerial consultation. So in other words,

1037
01:05:35.519 --> 01:05:37.719
<v Speaker 2>the then Prime Minister David Cameron, he says, must have

1038
01:05:37.960 --> 01:05:40.360
<v Speaker 2>done it and missus Maybe's or the Home Secretary at

1039
01:05:40.360 --> 01:05:44.440
<v Speaker 2>the time must have agreed it jointly. Neighbours also spotted

1040
01:05:44.440 --> 01:05:48.039
<v Speaker 2>women in the arresting party, whom these neighbors identified as

1041
01:05:48.119 --> 01:05:52.119
<v Speaker 2>North Yorkshire Police and Social Services. Peter is held for

1042
01:05:52.159 --> 01:05:55.960
<v Speaker 2>only four hours this day and released without charge. So

1043
01:05:56.000 --> 01:05:58.840
<v Speaker 2>it was just a kidnap. Missus Offsherer that this happened.

1044
01:06:00.000 --> 01:06:01.840
<v Speaker 2>It has no further reason after this to stay in

1045
01:06:01.880 --> 01:06:03.679
<v Speaker 2>Germany and goes to stay with a friend I believe

1046
01:06:03.679 --> 01:06:06.079
<v Speaker 2>this was in Austria, while trying to get his mother

1047
01:06:06.119 --> 01:06:09.280
<v Speaker 2>returned to his care. At this point, he contacts the

1048
01:06:09.320 --> 01:06:11.519
<v Speaker 2>Court of Protection, which was set up in the Blair

1049
01:06:11.639 --> 01:06:15.119
<v Speaker 2>government to look after old people's interests. When he says

1050
01:06:15.119 --> 01:06:17.679
<v Speaker 2>my name is mister Hofscherer, they slammed the phone down

1051
01:06:17.719 --> 01:06:22.800
<v Speaker 2>on him. During summer twenty fourteen, he writes a written

1052
01:06:22.840 --> 01:06:26.559
<v Speaker 2>application to the Court of Protection appealing for Barbara to

1053
01:06:26.599 --> 01:06:29.000
<v Speaker 2>be returned to him. These are supposed to be dealt

1054
01:06:29.039 --> 01:06:32.039
<v Speaker 2>with within twenty four hours, but the rejection comes three

1055
01:06:32.079 --> 01:06:37.800
<v Speaker 2>months later late twenty fourteen. Peter is advised, probably correctly

1056
01:06:37.840 --> 01:06:40.079
<v Speaker 2>at this point that a private prosecution is the only

1057
01:06:40.159 --> 01:06:43.719
<v Speaker 2>or best hope in these circumstances, so he contacts York

1058
01:06:43.800 --> 01:06:47.000
<v Speaker 2>Magistrates Court and they claim that Peter can only file

1059
01:06:47.039 --> 01:06:50.039
<v Speaker 2>it in person in York. Peter knows that returning to

1060
01:06:50.039 --> 01:06:51.920
<v Speaker 2>Britain is most likely going to be a trap, but

1061
01:06:52.000 --> 01:06:54.440
<v Speaker 2>it is his only chance of rescuing his elderly mother,

1062
01:06:55.280 --> 01:06:58.880
<v Speaker 2>so he does it. And then in December twenty fourteen,

1063
01:06:58.880 --> 01:07:01.880
<v Speaker 2>and this was witnessed by Andy Pecher, Peter walks through

1064
01:07:01.920 --> 01:07:04.840
<v Speaker 2>the court doorway in York and is arrested minutes before

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01:07:04.840 --> 01:07:09.199
<v Speaker 2>filing his private prosecution on a technicality. Peter is then

1066
01:07:09.280 --> 01:07:13.199
<v Speaker 2>held on remand mostly down in London at Magister's Britain Wandsworth,

1067
01:07:13.280 --> 01:07:16.719
<v Speaker 2>far from Yorkshire, for two years. This case should have

1068
01:07:16.719 --> 01:07:19.239
<v Speaker 2>come to trial within six months in English legal practice,

1069
01:07:19.960 --> 01:07:22.239
<v Speaker 2>and this two year period is necessary because he's being

1070
01:07:22.360 --> 01:07:27.280
<v Speaker 2>stitched up for supposed possession of child pornography. The two

1071
01:07:27.320 --> 01:07:31.039
<v Speaker 2>computer towers these were additional to his own computers on

1072
01:07:31.079 --> 01:07:35.199
<v Speaker 2>which the supposed images were found, were not listed by

1073
01:07:35.239 --> 01:07:37.800
<v Speaker 2>the bailiffs in an inventory made after the last time

1074
01:07:37.840 --> 01:07:39.880
<v Speaker 2>Peter was in the house, and he does note that

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01:07:40.159 --> 01:07:44.199
<v Speaker 2>the number of images supposedly found was six, nine hundred

1076
01:07:44.239 --> 01:07:47.679
<v Speaker 2>and sixty nine. In other words, sixty nine sixty nine

1077
01:07:47.760 --> 01:07:49.800
<v Speaker 2>a possible reference to the year in which the Church

1078
01:07:49.800 --> 01:07:51.679
<v Speaker 2>of Satan was founded in America, which has become a

1079
01:07:51.719 --> 01:07:55.639
<v Speaker 2>general reference to Satanism and or an obscene sexual reference.

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01:07:56.199 --> 01:07:58.880
<v Speaker 2>Peter says at this point, quote police had access to

1081
01:07:58.920 --> 01:08:02.559
<v Speaker 2>my personal computers in York since twenty ten. That's five

1082
01:08:02.639 --> 01:08:05.559
<v Speaker 2>years before. I note, by the way, this is Alex

1083
01:08:05.599 --> 01:08:08.480
<v Speaker 2>talking that the same trick was played on Chris Spivey,

1084
01:08:08.519 --> 01:08:11.760
<v Speaker 2>who supported Peter Hofsherer. Chris Spevy had this trick played

1085
01:08:11.760 --> 01:08:14.000
<v Speaker 2>on him by Essex police an hour and a half's

1086
01:08:13.920 --> 01:08:16.319
<v Speaker 2>search of his computer and not being allowed in the

1087
01:08:16.399 --> 01:08:19.239
<v Speaker 2>room and then supposedly an indecent image being found on it.

1088
01:08:19.279 --> 01:08:22.560
<v Speaker 2>And this was in the same timeframe. Now, when the

1089
01:08:22.560 --> 01:08:26.760
<v Speaker 2>trial eventually comes in June twenty seventeen, the judge Tonally

1090
01:08:26.800 --> 01:08:30.600
<v Speaker 2>Briggs Queen's Council refuses to let Peter out, which he

1091
01:08:30.600 --> 01:08:34.039
<v Speaker 2>should have done on time served, which is he's already

1092
01:08:34.039 --> 01:08:36.079
<v Speaker 2>spent longer in prison than the alleged defense was for.

1093
01:08:37.239 --> 01:08:40.119
<v Speaker 2>He refuses to admit defense evidence for Peter Hofsherer, and

1094
01:08:40.159 --> 01:08:44.239
<v Speaker 2>Peter's defense solicitor is uncooperative. Listeners should know that any

1095
01:08:44.319 --> 01:08:46.600
<v Speaker 2>lawyer is an officer of the court and has a

1096
01:08:46.680 --> 01:08:48.359
<v Speaker 2>duty to the court that they won't tell you about

1097
01:08:48.359 --> 01:08:51.239
<v Speaker 2>if you're in a defense situation, but they do. He

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01:08:51.319 --> 01:08:54.520
<v Speaker 2>sentences Peter to thirty months and places him on the

1099
01:08:54.560 --> 01:08:58.479
<v Speaker 2>Sex Offender's Register for life. He used the word outrageous

1100
01:08:58.720 --> 01:09:01.600
<v Speaker 2>when sentencing him. By this time the time of the

1101
01:09:01.640 --> 01:09:05.479
<v Speaker 2>trial June twenty seventeen, the original charge on which he

1102
01:09:05.520 --> 01:09:08.239
<v Speaker 2>was arrested in twenty fourteen at the Austrian's request, which

1103
01:09:08.319 --> 01:09:10.399
<v Speaker 2>was writening a threatening email to a judge, has already

1104
01:09:10.399 --> 01:09:15.359
<v Speaker 2>been dropped. The remaining charges relates to items supposedly found

1105
01:09:15.760 --> 01:09:18.720
<v Speaker 2>among his five thousand books within twenty minutes of a search.

1106
01:09:19.760 --> 01:09:22.439
<v Speaker 2>When this is challenged as hard to believe, North Yorkshire

1107
01:09:22.479 --> 01:09:25.640
<v Speaker 2>police go back into his house and then supposedly find

1108
01:09:25.680 --> 01:09:28.279
<v Speaker 2>a pile of forty six videos that they missed the

1109
01:09:28.319 --> 01:09:33.119
<v Speaker 2>first time. The photo's charge was also dropped in the interim,

1110
01:09:33.399 --> 01:09:35.840
<v Speaker 2>and so the only charge on which he was sentenced

1111
01:09:35.920 --> 01:09:39.279
<v Speaker 2>in twenty seventeen was for these supposed videos. Peter has

1112
01:09:39.399 --> 01:09:41.239
<v Speaker 2>never been given a list of the contents of the

1113
01:09:41.319 --> 01:09:44.520
<v Speaker 2>videos he supposedly had in his possession. The number of

1114
01:09:44.560 --> 01:09:47.720
<v Speaker 2>videos mentioned, and also the serial numbers of the charge

1115
01:09:47.800 --> 01:09:50.079
<v Speaker 2>sheets and other police documents seemed to be random and

1116
01:09:50.119 --> 01:09:53.199
<v Speaker 2>different every time Peter mentions it was a six, then eight,

1117
01:09:53.279 --> 01:09:56.880
<v Speaker 2>then fifteen, then forty six, then twelve, and the trial

1118
01:09:56.920 --> 01:09:59.680
<v Speaker 2>itself is moved from York up to Teaside, which is

1119
01:09:59.680 --> 01:10:01.960
<v Speaker 2>a couple of hours drive further north at the last

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01:10:02.000 --> 01:10:04.680
<v Speaker 2>minute to keep his supporters out of the public gallery.

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01:10:04.680 --> 01:10:09.840
<v Speaker 2>On the day next month, July seventeen, Austria still has

1122
01:10:09.880 --> 01:10:12.720
<v Speaker 2>an arrest warrant out for Peter, so's he's out on

1123
01:10:12.760 --> 01:10:15.800
<v Speaker 2>bail at this point and Austria has an arrest warrant

1124
01:10:15.800 --> 01:10:18.039
<v Speaker 2>out for him so that he can be sectioned mentally.

1125
01:10:18.479 --> 01:10:22.399
<v Speaker 2>And finally Peter is extradited. And this happens after disinformation

1126
01:10:22.560 --> 01:10:25.039
<v Speaker 2>that was put out by some of his supposed supporters.

1127
01:10:25.560 --> 01:10:28.479
<v Speaker 2>These false allegations thrown into the mix were that Peter

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01:10:28.600 --> 01:10:31.439
<v Speaker 2>had skipped bail and some insinuated that Peter had been

1129
01:10:31.479 --> 01:10:33.760
<v Speaker 2>responsible while on bail for a sexual assault on the

1130
01:10:33.840 --> 01:10:39.359
<v Speaker 2>child nearby. Now the Austrians issued an European arrest warrant

1131
01:10:39.359 --> 01:10:41.920
<v Speaker 2>and this related to defamation of a judge, because in

1132
01:10:41.960 --> 01:10:44.279
<v Speaker 2>the Austrian model, that's the equivalent stitch up to in

1133
01:10:44.319 --> 01:10:47.399
<v Speaker 2>Britain what you get with harassment to deal with people

1134
01:10:47.399 --> 01:10:50.399
<v Speaker 2>who you don't like. And he says, when I was

1135
01:10:50.439 --> 01:10:54.159
<v Speaker 2>transferred to Gratz jail and was held on demand there.

1136
01:10:54.319 --> 01:10:57.039
<v Speaker 2>This is still July twenty seventeen. He says there were

1137
01:10:57.079 --> 01:10:59.800
<v Speaker 2>five hundred inmates there, forty of whom were journalists or

1138
01:10:59.800 --> 01:11:05.520
<v Speaker 2>other political prisoners, nearly ten percent. And then he mentioned

1139
01:11:05.520 --> 01:11:07.600
<v Speaker 2>at this point that he'd previously, for the only time

1140
01:11:07.600 --> 01:11:10.359
<v Speaker 2>in his life, had a mental health professional assessment by

1141
01:11:10.359 --> 01:11:13.479
<v Speaker 2>a doctor Gethins, and this was to answer an English

1142
01:11:13.600 --> 01:11:18.840
<v Speaker 2>courts request. And she writes on completion of a screening questionnaire.

1143
01:11:19.000 --> 01:11:21.000
<v Speaker 2>He quotes from this document that he still has with him.

1144
01:11:21.199 --> 01:11:24.000
<v Speaker 2>Doctor Gethins writes, on completion of a screening questionnaire, he

1145
01:11:24.000 --> 01:11:27.319
<v Speaker 2>did not score above three on any item, suggesting that

1146
01:11:27.359 --> 01:11:31.279
<v Speaker 2>he does not have a personality disorder. At her concluding sentences,

1147
01:11:31.760 --> 01:11:33.920
<v Speaker 2>on the basis of the evidence before me, I can

1148
01:11:33.960 --> 01:11:37.319
<v Speaker 2>find no evidence to suggest that mister Hofscherer is suffering

1149
01:11:37.319 --> 01:11:40.479
<v Speaker 2>from a mental illness. I am of the opinion that

1150
01:11:40.520 --> 01:11:44.000
<v Speaker 2>there is no current role for mental health services in

1151
01:11:44.039 --> 01:11:48.479
<v Speaker 2>the onward management of the case. That is the chronology. Brian,

1152
01:11:48.520 --> 01:11:50.520
<v Speaker 2>I don't know what you make of that. It's really

1153
01:11:50.800 --> 01:11:54.399
<v Speaker 2>too bizarre for words.

1154
01:11:53.520 --> 01:11:58.600
<v Speaker 1>It seems bizarre. It will certainly seem bizarre to some people.

1155
01:11:59.439 --> 01:12:02.079
<v Speaker 1>But from me, as you moved through it, and as

1156
01:12:02.159 --> 01:12:06.720
<v Speaker 1>this gentleman has produced this information, I see that there

1157
01:12:06.760 --> 01:12:13.359
<v Speaker 1>are certain attributes other with other cases that comes into

1158
01:12:13.399 --> 01:12:16.560
<v Speaker 1>my mind. I'm sorry, I'm shuffling some papers here while

1159
01:12:16.560 --> 01:12:19.159
<v Speaker 1>I'm talking to you, So there's a little bit aboutground noise.

1160
01:12:19.600 --> 01:12:23.680
<v Speaker 1>The French lady Kareem Gauget, who I've already mentioned, was

1161
01:12:23.680 --> 01:12:27.399
<v Speaker 1>a child protection case around her, but also she had

1162
01:12:27.439 --> 01:12:33.319
<v Speaker 1>been doing exceptionally good work exposing a Spatan but she

1163
01:12:33.600 --> 01:12:40.479
<v Speaker 1>saw the cases moved flexibly between the UK and France,

1164
01:12:41.760 --> 01:12:47.199
<v Speaker 1>with documents being changed, with very strange things happening. We've

1165
01:12:47.199 --> 01:12:51.960
<v Speaker 1>got the Interpole request being put out. And the case

1166
01:12:51.960 --> 01:12:56.279
<v Speaker 1>that came into my head then was for Leanne Smith,

1167
01:12:56.560 --> 01:13:00.640
<v Speaker 1>the mother who went on the run with her children

1168
01:13:00.760 --> 01:13:06.159
<v Speaker 1>and then tragically murdered the two children in Spain. But

1169
01:13:06.800 --> 01:13:10.760
<v Speaker 1>they were being hunted as a result of actions by

1170
01:13:10.880 --> 01:13:19.720
<v Speaker 1>social services in Cumbria, principally in Cumbria, and Leanne describes

1171
01:13:19.800 --> 01:13:23.640
<v Speaker 1>what was happening to them after the Interpol became involved,

1172
01:13:23.800 --> 01:13:29.560
<v Speaker 1>was being hunted. You've mentioned that Merkele should know, and

1173
01:13:29.640 --> 01:13:34.520
<v Speaker 1>you've certainly mentioned that Theresa May as Home Secretary, would

1174
01:13:34.640 --> 01:13:38.279
<v Speaker 1>know what was going on, and possibly even David Cameron.

1175
01:13:39.199 --> 01:13:43.279
<v Speaker 1>I say it would appear to be the case that

1176
01:13:43.319 --> 01:13:47.760
<v Speaker 1>they must know. But we could also say, is it

1177
01:13:47.840 --> 01:13:50.640
<v Speaker 1>actually the case that the people running the country at

1178
01:13:50.640 --> 01:13:55.359
<v Speaker 1>the very top, the Prime Minister, are simply puppets and

1179
01:13:55.560 --> 01:14:00.000
<v Speaker 1>these decisions are made around them and they are totally unaware.

1180
01:14:00.800 --> 01:14:05.000
<v Speaker 1>I could accept both standpoints. I can accept complicit and

1181
01:14:05.079 --> 01:14:09.319
<v Speaker 1>I could accept that they don't know anything. They are

1182
01:14:09.439 --> 01:14:13.239
<v Speaker 1>just ignorant. You said about Barbara being taken back to

1183
01:14:13.279 --> 01:14:16.840
<v Speaker 1>Britain and never heard from again. Another case comes into

1184
01:14:16.880 --> 01:14:20.520
<v Speaker 1>my mind, and this is the Linda Lewis case, the

1185
01:14:20.560 --> 01:14:24.119
<v Speaker 1>Bonnie Lewis case in South Wales, where a mother takes

1186
01:14:24.159 --> 01:14:29.000
<v Speaker 1>her daughter to Florida to get a medical opinion and

1187
01:14:29.239 --> 01:14:34.640
<v Speaker 1>her daughter is taken from the American hospital at gunpoint

1188
01:14:34.680 --> 01:14:38.279
<v Speaker 1>with nith Port Talbot's Social Services in the American police

1189
01:14:38.840 --> 01:14:41.279
<v Speaker 1>and the little girl is flown back to Britain on

1190
01:14:41.359 --> 01:14:45.399
<v Speaker 1>a false passport and is then held in a psychiatric

1191
01:14:45.560 --> 01:14:50.760
<v Speaker 1>unit and told that her pain was her imagination and

1192
01:14:50.840 --> 01:14:54.680
<v Speaker 1>since the mother had proved by going to that American

1193
01:14:54.760 --> 01:14:59.840
<v Speaker 1>hospital that the little girl had multiple ulceration of her

1194
01:15:00.079 --> 01:15:05.199
<v Speaker 1>gut Zollinger's disease, she was in intense pain, but the

1195
01:15:05.239 --> 01:15:09.039
<v Speaker 1>local social services took her to a psychiatric unit where

1196
01:15:09.039 --> 01:15:13.039
<v Speaker 1>they said she was imagining it. And I'm fascinated that

1197
01:15:13.479 --> 01:15:16.720
<v Speaker 1>the Red Caps appear to have been involved in this, because,

1198
01:15:16.760 --> 01:15:20.079
<v Speaker 1>of course the military police do have a role to

1199
01:15:20.199 --> 01:15:25.720
<v Speaker 1>investigate child protection issues. That's part of their military policing job.

1200
01:15:26.399 --> 01:15:30.560
<v Speaker 1>And I can say the military police did attempt to

1201
01:15:30.640 --> 01:15:35.319
<v Speaker 1>help in the Korean Gouget case. But it's also true

1202
01:15:35.399 --> 01:15:39.960
<v Speaker 1>to say that some of them were very careful to

1203
01:15:40.000 --> 01:15:43.399
<v Speaker 1>say there was only so much they could do, and

1204
01:15:43.479 --> 01:15:45.479
<v Speaker 1>it was said in a way that I believe they

1205
01:15:45.520 --> 01:15:48.800
<v Speaker 1>were trying to say that they couldn't do some things

1206
01:15:48.840 --> 01:15:53.560
<v Speaker 1>because pressure was being put on them. And your comment

1207
01:15:53.640 --> 01:15:57.880
<v Speaker 1>about Lord McGinnis, the Ulster Unionist, trying to do something

1208
01:15:58.520 --> 01:16:01.520
<v Speaker 1>but being told with the Home of it's a police matter.

1209
01:16:02.720 --> 01:16:06.439
<v Speaker 1>Into my head came Mike Penning, the Policing Minister, who

1210
01:16:06.479 --> 01:16:10.439
<v Speaker 1>of course did try to help John Wedger in blowing

1211
01:16:10.479 --> 01:16:14.399
<v Speaker 1>the whistle on child abuse. But Mike Penning MP is

1212
01:16:14.479 --> 01:16:18.960
<v Speaker 1>also saying that the Home Office simply refused to help. So,

1213
01:16:19.640 --> 01:16:22.880
<v Speaker 1>with the advantage of our experience of many other cases

1214
01:16:22.960 --> 01:16:27.800
<v Speaker 1>coming forward, we have seen people being taken out of

1215
01:16:27.840 --> 01:16:31.159
<v Speaker 1>the country. We've seen them being put in psychiatric units

1216
01:16:31.239 --> 01:16:35.560
<v Speaker 1>or imprisoned and there is a pattern here, there's a template,

1217
01:16:36.439 --> 01:16:39.119
<v Speaker 1>and the template to me seems to be a template

1218
01:16:39.199 --> 01:16:42.720
<v Speaker 1>to make sure that anybody that gets too close to

1219
01:16:42.840 --> 01:16:47.720
<v Speaker 1>the dark heart of the deep state. And I'm choosing

1220
01:16:47.760 --> 01:16:50.640
<v Speaker 1>those words. I'm using them because I think they're the

1221
01:16:50.720 --> 01:16:54.840
<v Speaker 1>right words. Anybody who gets too close to the really

1222
01:16:55.239 --> 01:16:58.640
<v Speaker 1>dark heart of the deep state has got to be silenced,

1223
01:16:59.239 --> 01:17:04.960
<v Speaker 1>fitted up, put in prison, held without trial, or ultimately

1224
01:17:05.199 --> 01:17:09.479
<v Speaker 1>to disappear in a psychiatric unit. And I believe that

1225
01:17:09.560 --> 01:17:13.880
<v Speaker 1>in the Melanie show case, and of course, alongside Melanie's

1226
01:17:14.199 --> 01:17:17.840
<v Speaker 1>whistleblowing on the abuse and death of children in so

1227
01:17:18.039 --> 01:17:23.840
<v Speaker 1>called care, Melanie was herself a survivor of SRA of

1228
01:17:23.880 --> 01:17:28.960
<v Speaker 1>Satanic ritual abuse. I think the plan for Melanie was

1229
01:17:29.039 --> 01:17:33.720
<v Speaker 1>to get her to disappear into a psychiatric institution. But

1230
01:17:33.960 --> 01:17:38.399
<v Speaker 1>because Melanie had told her story and was at that

1231
01:17:38.479 --> 01:17:41.800
<v Speaker 1>stage already well known to the public. I believe that

1232
01:17:41.920 --> 01:17:46.119
<v Speaker 1>she was too hot to handle. They didn't dare disappear her.

1233
01:17:46.800 --> 01:17:50.640
<v Speaker 1>What they've done is a lesser crime. They've held her

1234
01:17:51.199 --> 01:17:56.600
<v Speaker 1>in solitary confinement on some unknown charge for nearly two years.

1235
01:17:57.520 --> 01:18:01.399
<v Speaker 1>But this is happening in UK. Can we end alex

1236
01:18:02.159 --> 01:18:03.840
<v Speaker 1>on a positive note.

1237
01:18:04.079 --> 01:18:06.279
<v Speaker 2>I have a positive note for you, Brian, which came

1238
01:18:06.319 --> 01:18:08.880
<v Speaker 2>in just an hour or two ago today, the twenty

1239
01:18:08.920 --> 01:18:12.239
<v Speaker 2>sixth of February twenty eighteen, from a lady doing sterling

1240
01:18:12.319 --> 01:18:14.760
<v Speaker 2>work for Peter Hofscherer from the other side of the

1241
01:18:14.760 --> 01:18:19.119
<v Speaker 2>world in British Columbia, Canada. She's originally from the Scarborough

1242
01:18:19.159 --> 01:18:22.439
<v Speaker 2>area or nearby, so she saw this happening firsthand growing

1243
01:18:22.520 --> 01:18:25.000
<v Speaker 2>up and was warned in veiled terms not to get

1244
01:18:25.039 --> 01:18:27.560
<v Speaker 2>too close to certain people as a child, so that's

1245
01:18:27.560 --> 01:18:30.640
<v Speaker 2>why she's motivated to help. Anyway, this fine lady says

1246
01:18:30.640 --> 01:18:32.439
<v Speaker 2>this to me today and I have a good word

1247
01:18:32.479 --> 01:18:34.039
<v Speaker 2>to put in here for my former colleagues in the

1248
01:18:34.039 --> 01:18:37.600
<v Speaker 2>Foreign and Commonwealth Office. Here, well done, she writes Alex,

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<v Speaker 2>I heard from someone by email today. They said that

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<v Speaker 2>they had contacted the British Embassy in Vienna and asked

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<v Speaker 2>them to do a welfare check on Peter Hofscher. I

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<v Speaker 2>think that this is the place that Andy Peacher already contacted.

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<v Speaker 2>This is after making the phone calls to Peter in

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<v Speaker 2>the ward and they that's the Foreign Office, are sending

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<v Speaker 2>Peter a letter for him to sign to authorize their

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01:18:58.600 --> 01:19:03.520
<v Speaker 2>contact with his lawyer. Peter said that first they contacted

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<v Speaker 2>doctor Meyer maai e Er, who is the treating doctor,

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<v Speaker 2>the head of the signal defreud Clinicum, there so effectively

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<v Speaker 2>the man responsible for the care. And Peter says that

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<v Speaker 2>the attitude in the ward has changed radically since then,

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<v Speaker 2>and that Dr Meyer now looks very nervous, and I

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<v Speaker 2>think that would be true of Dr Weisenstein at the

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<v Speaker 2>underling as well, because she has already breached medical ethics

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<v Speaker 2>and the law and constitution of Austria by screaming at Peter,

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<v Speaker 2>I will not contact your general practitioner or family doctor

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<v Speaker 2>for you on your request, so that family doctor, by

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<v Speaker 2>design does not even know that the perfectly saying Peter Hofscherer,

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<v Speaker 2>whom he's treated for twenty years for physical ailments, is

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<v Speaker 2>locked up in a shushka setting treating Dr Meyer. It

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<v Speaker 2>is at the express request of Peter Hoffscher yesterday as

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<v Speaker 2>I'm giving it. Email him. Be polite and lawful at

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<v Speaker 2>Manfred n fr ed dot Meyer mai e Er at

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<v Speaker 2>car guess kag e s for Sierra, dot at for Austria,

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<v Speaker 2>ask politely and professionally why Dr Meyer is treating a

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<v Speaker 2>man who has been detained under mental regulations for life

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<v Speaker 2>without any psychiatric assessment, and why Peter's own Austrian family

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<v Speaker 2>doctor does not know that he has been confined. Dr

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<v Speaker 2>Meyer may be doing a bit more sweating. If a

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<v Speaker 2>few more of us address this correctly, there's plenty we

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<v Speaker 2>can do in this case as well. There is time

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<v Speaker 2>pressure on it, because God forbid, the application has already

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<v Speaker 2>gone into the court. I believe it is to inject

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<v Speaker 2>Peter forcibly with brain destroying chemicals to stop him from

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<v Speaker 2>speaking more about what's going on. One idiot has already

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<v Speaker 2>taunted the doctors by sending them links to the interviews

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<v Speaker 2>which Peter has given by phone, which are up at

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<v Speaker 2>Anti Peacher's site. Secularly bad and childish idea. We need

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<v Speaker 2>adult professional responses, particularly from people in the medical or

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<v Speaker 2>other responsible professions, to contact Dr Meyer and also to

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<v Speaker 2>get on to the consular services the good people of

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<v Speaker 2>the Foreign and Commonwealth Office in Vienna about this. It's

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<v Speaker 2>possible that Peter could be sent as a dual citizen

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<v Speaker 2>of Britain or Germany to a medical equivalent treating facility

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<v Speaker 2>in Britain or in Germany. Of course they should if

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<v Speaker 2>they're not meant, take one look at him on arrival

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<v Speaker 2>and say you're not that. There's nothing wrong with you.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't have the psychological or personality disorders that you're

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<v Speaker 2>said to have. As Peter says, I'm only mad in Austria.

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<v Speaker 2>So this may be difficult to accomplish, but it is

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<v Speaker 2>what Peter wants to happen, and all his European Convention

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<v Speaker 2>on Human Rights entitlements totally separate from the EU. This

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<v Speaker 2>is the ECCHR rights. The rights to a fair trial

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<v Speaker 2>and representation have been breached.

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<v Speaker 1>Alex, thank you very much for that. I will just

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<v Speaker 1>add that the more measured, the more polite, the more

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<v Speaker 1>reasonable people are when they may cause or they send emails,

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<v Speaker 1>the more powerful they are because the state as it

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<v Speaker 1>stands is well geared up to deal with people who

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<v Speaker 1>are rude, aggressive or threatening or vexatious as it likes

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<v Speaker 1>to call them. But for people who remain quite polite,

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<v Speaker 1>reasonable in asking questions in particular, that is the powerful

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<v Speaker 1>way to do it. And I will also add so that,

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<v Speaker 1>of course Robert Green, who was also facing accusations that

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<v Speaker 1>he was mentally ill, at one stage it appeared in

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<v Speaker 1>Scotland that there was a concerted effort to see whether

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<v Speaker 1>they could section him. The psychiatrist in that particular occasion

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<v Speaker 1>deemed him perfectly sane, of course, but nevertheless that tempt

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<v Speaker 1>was made. But one of the things that Robert says

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<v Speaker 1>as a means of lifting spirits in these very dark

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<v Speaker 1>subjects is to lift the stones. If you lift the

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<v Speaker 1>stones to expose what is going on, the other side

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<v Speaker 1>is terrified of what you're doing. And this is absolutely correct.

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<v Speaker 1>So if you're beginning to get concerned as to what

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<v Speaker 1>we're talking about, if you're going to take some form

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<v Speaker 1>of action, it's the simple exposing of what the other

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<v Speaker 1>side is doing that has enormous effect.

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<v Speaker 2>Do not say anything stupid, rude, or aggressive. Peter's life

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<v Speaker 2>depends on it, but it also depends on numbers to

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<v Speaker 2>tell doctor Manfred Meyer that the world knows what's going on.

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<v Speaker 1>Alex, thank you very much. Well, that was an extremely

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<v Speaker 1>long dispatches tonight. We must end there. I think, thank

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<v Speaker 1>you very much for taking us through that great detail

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<v Speaker 1>of the case. There is of course a lot more

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<v Speaker 1>that we know about which we can't talk about at

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<v Speaker 1>the moment, but we hope at least we've given an

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<v Speaker 1>insight in some very dangerous things which are taking place

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<v Speaker 1>in UK and Europe. Can it be stopped? Yes? How

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<v Speaker 1>can it be stopped by enough people simply saying we

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<v Speaker 1>see it and we're not having it. So think about that,

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01:24:18.760 --> 01:24:21.640
<v Speaker 1>think with what you can do, Think about what you

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<v Speaker 1>would wish if you were in the same position, and

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<v Speaker 1>that's probably the best guidance we can give you to

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<v Speaker 1>tackle this. Alex, thank you very much. We'll leave it

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<v Speaker 1>there good night.

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<v Speaker 2>I will also give listeners the email address of the

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<v Speaker 2>man who originally wrote the diagnosis last summer that put

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<v Speaker 2>Peter in mental sectioning for life without ever having seen him.

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<v Speaker 2>That is Dr Manfred Waltsel wl z L. His email

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<v Speaker 2>address for polite professional communication asking him why he did

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<v Speaker 2>this is wal z l at a O N for

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<v Speaker 2>November dot a T for Austria. W al z l

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<v Speaker 2>at ao N dot a T ask Doctor Valsel at

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<v Speaker 2>Peter's request why he sectioned Peter for life without ever

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<v Speaker 2>having seen him. I would also add that since we

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<v Speaker 2>recorded this podcast, Peter has let us know that pressure

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<v Speaker 2>is already causing some alleviation of his conditions on the

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<v Speaker 2>closed ward and he very much hopes that people will

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<v Speaker 2>continue to ask doctor Meyer and doctor Valsel what is

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<v Speaker 2>going on to prevent Peter from being injected with irrevocable drugs. Finally,

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<v Speaker 2>if anyone has further details about the case or related

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<v Speaker 2>or corroborating information, whether from Britain, Germany, Austria or elsewhere,

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<v Speaker 2>they are very welcome, indeed, including on behalf of Peter.

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<v Speaker 2>To contact the UK Column you can email Brian go

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<v Speaker 2>Irish at Brian at ukcolumn dot org, uk c O,

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<v Speaker 2>l U m N dot org, or use the contact

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<v Speaker 2>form on the UK column dot org website. H