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<v Speaker 1>Salisbury, old By Salisbury Houston.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, let's do this.

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<v Speaker 3>Sewn Salisbury to USC trouphs longtime friend Shawn Salisbury, Dan MATTHEWSUS,

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<v Speaker 3>this is the Sewan Salisbury Show.

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<v Speaker 4>But Uh and Duke taking on each other in the

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<v Speaker 4>Final four on Saturday. And a man who knows a

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<v Speaker 4>lot about playing and winning in these games, his former

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<v Speaker 4>Blue Devil guard at Thomas Hill, he joins us.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, yeah, he sure does, and we're grateful.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, if I go through his resume, it's going to

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<v Speaker 1>take a while, right, he's saying, just twenty twenty three

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<v Speaker 1>director of basketball operations and head coach at Saint Andrews

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<v Speaker 1>Episcopal in Austin, and they proceed to go win, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>two league championships. He's been a three final fours at Duke,

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<v Speaker 1>two national championships. He was drafted in the second round,

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<v Speaker 1>played what eight years in the league. Everything he do

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<v Speaker 1>does just the trophies keep piling up. And we got

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<v Speaker 1>him today, and I'm sure he's hoping here in Houston,

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<v Speaker 1>and sand I told you that that Duke team puts

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<v Speaker 1>another one on the board. But we'll try to we'll

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<v Speaker 1>try to combat that with this Houston Cougars. Thoma's great

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<v Speaker 1>to have you on, my friend, and we sure appreciate

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<v Speaker 1>your time today.

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<v Speaker 3>How you doing, Oh great, man, appreciate having me. Man,

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<v Speaker 3>good to be at the show.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, let me go back to those times before we

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<v Speaker 1>hit this current Duke team. Do you remember the feeling

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<v Speaker 1>of going into the final four, how you felt about

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<v Speaker 1>your club, going in your school, and your team's preparation

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<v Speaker 1>going into the final For the nerves of.

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<v Speaker 3>It, absolutely, absolutely, you know. I was fortunate to do

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<v Speaker 3>it three times, so there were three different kind of

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<v Speaker 3>vibes each year. But the year going into our second run,

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<v Speaker 3>when it is a second time, we were super confident,

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<v Speaker 3>like we were number one in the country and knew

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<v Speaker 3>we were the best team in college backasketball, and it

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<v Speaker 3>was just a matter of you know, just staying focused,

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<v Speaker 3>not letting the distractions get you. You know, we're a

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<v Speaker 3>veteran team, and just handling your business, you know, just

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<v Speaker 3>taking care of what you know you need to take

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<v Speaker 3>care of, play the right place, play together, and finish.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, finish. That was a big thing for us that.

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<v Speaker 1>Year, aside from great talent, which is you know, you

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<v Speaker 1>got to have to go win these things and you

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<v Speaker 1>got to be hot. Was there one common thread, like

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<v Speaker 1>one trait that made your team. You mentioned confidence on

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<v Speaker 1>one of the teams, But of the three years you

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<v Speaker 1>went and the two years you wanted, what was the

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<v Speaker 1>one trait that all three teams had?

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<v Speaker 3>Unselfishness? I think, you know, we had, you know, twelve

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<v Speaker 3>thirteen guys that were the best players coming from their state.

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<v Speaker 3>So you know, everyone had an ego. Everyone knew they

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<v Speaker 3>were really good, and it was just a matter of

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<v Speaker 3>understanding that individually we're not going to accomplish anything great

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<v Speaker 3>or what you know, what we're trying to do as

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<v Speaker 3>far as winning championships, and you know, we you know,

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<v Speaker 3>the theme was just be unselfish and play together and

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<v Speaker 3>let your talent show. You know. I think one of

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<v Speaker 3>the things about at least my time at Duke, which

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<v Speaker 3>was great, was you know, no one on our team

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<v Speaker 3>was jealous or you know, envious of other guys. We

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<v Speaker 3>were happy for guys. So, you know, it's just a

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<v Speaker 3>unique time for our group for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>Thomas Hill He's been two national championship teams, three Final

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<v Speaker 1>four teams at Duke, also as director of basketball and

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<v Speaker 1>head coach of Saint Andrews Episcopal in Austin.

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<v Speaker 2>He knows what winning's all about.

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<v Speaker 1>Was the second round pick in the NBA as well

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<v Speaker 1>as being an All Conference player. Looking back to those teams,

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<v Speaker 1>and it seems like it's every year at Thomas. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sure I'm not telling you that you don't know, but

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<v Speaker 1>you guys were a villain a lot, right, the guys

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<v Speaker 1>who were in Heckey you got you villain a lot?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you have to embrace a villain role in order

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<v Speaker 1>for it to work for you?

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<v Speaker 2>You know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't want to discount it was it kind of

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<v Speaker 1>you guys against the world world. Even though Duke is

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<v Speaker 1>a blue blood program, it felt like even then when

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<v Speaker 1>we're watching it back then, that it was it's and

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<v Speaker 1>it always seems to even now that man Duke was

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<v Speaker 1>easy to dislike because they were good, but they knew

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<v Speaker 1>how to get under your skin. Did you guys embrace

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<v Speaker 1>the role?

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<v Speaker 3>We loved it. I think that that's one of the

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<v Speaker 3>traits that made us really good, is that we loved

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<v Speaker 3>going on the road, getting booed, people not liking us,

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<v Speaker 3>and the whole nine. You know, we loved it. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>my my little personal takes was. I think my sophomore year,

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<v Speaker 3>we took a team picture and it was a cowboy thing,

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<v Speaker 3>and I distinctly remember wanting to go get the black hat.

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<v Speaker 3>I wanted black hat and be that guy. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I think our team embraced it, you know. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>you know the story of Christian Ladner and you know

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<v Speaker 3>his take on things and it it was all of us,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, even though we kind of looked like the

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<v Speaker 3>clean cut, preppy guys or whatever that is. There were dogs.

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<v Speaker 3>There were dogs in that locker room. So you know,

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<v Speaker 3>we loved it.

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<v Speaker 2>Pretty hard.

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<v Speaker 1>Pretty hard to win titles without having dogs on your team,

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<v Speaker 1>isn't it, Thomas? And you know, from high school to

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<v Speaker 1>college the pro you got to have him or you

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<v Speaker 1>end up getting left behind. So so let's go to

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<v Speaker 1>this year now. First off, will you be in the

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<v Speaker 1>building in San Antonio or your TV guy watching on TV?

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<v Speaker 3>I will be there, you know, and Duke make the

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<v Speaker 3>final four? Life is great. I'll be there.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So they're coming down in to talk. Oh, Duke's

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<v Speaker 1>coming to town University of Houston. You know, obviously we

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<v Speaker 1>know who they are. Let me start with Cooper Flag.

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<v Speaker 1>You've played with some great ones, young ones and veterans.

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<v Speaker 1>You guys at that point in time, guys were staying

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<v Speaker 1>in school most of the time, until you know, there

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<v Speaker 1>are four years or so we're up. We're just from

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<v Speaker 1>your visual and watching him and maybe talking to people

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<v Speaker 1>at the program break him down for us and where

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<v Speaker 1>he ranks in just your visual of free freshmen that

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<v Speaker 1>have played there, let alone veterans.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, no, I think as a freshman. I was telling

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<v Speaker 3>someone this the other day. He is by far the

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<v Speaker 3>best freshman to ever play a dude.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's Carol included, right, any of them.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, absolutely, So there was a situation. You know, I

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<v Speaker 3>didn't catch a lot of games this year, but I

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<v Speaker 3>caught the first Carolina game and just watching it, it

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<v Speaker 3>was like a ten minute stretch where the kid makes

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<v Speaker 3>the right basketball play every time like that. You don't

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<v Speaker 3>see that, you don't and you know he's seventeen, eighteen

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<v Speaker 3>years old, and you know you can see that he

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<v Speaker 3>is different. You know, if you have a basketball, you

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<v Speaker 3>can just the way he moves, how he thinks the game.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, in my opinion, he's the best freshman to

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<v Speaker 3>ever play a dude. So you know that that's uh,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, and I've been around a lot of great ones.

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<v Speaker 3>I've seen a lot of great We've all seen them.

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<v Speaker 3>So you know that's my take on You know, he's

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<v Speaker 3>special for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>You've played on special teams and got rings to show

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<v Speaker 1>for it. You've coached, obviously and still do special teams

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<v Speaker 1>high school kids. So let me ask you. You're I'm

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<v Speaker 1>come to you, and I say, draw me up a

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<v Speaker 1>game plan how to attack the University of Houston. Because

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<v Speaker 1>we know without saying that this team thrives on contesting

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<v Speaker 1>every shot, physically getting on the floor, all the dirty work.

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<v Speaker 1>And they got some guys that can knock down shots.

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<v Speaker 1>So how do we if you're I'm your assistant, you're

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<v Speaker 1>my coach, design me a game plan to attack this

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<v Speaker 1>unbelievable and relentless defense of the Cougars.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think the attack is on both ends. So offensively,

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<v Speaker 3>I think sharing the ball, you know, although they don't

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<v Speaker 3>move without the ball the way I would like, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>moving without the ball, making the defense move, not take

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<v Speaker 3>bad shots, you know, always take bad shot and try

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<v Speaker 3>to get in the paint and use your side. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>I think I think we're a little bigger than them

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<v Speaker 3>in most of the positions, so you know, using our

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<v Speaker 3>good shot, sharing the ball and absolutely crashing the glass,

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<v Speaker 3>like make them foul us, you.

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<v Speaker 1>Know, yeahoul trouble. Foul trouble could be a problem for Houston.

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<v Speaker 1>And this if that happens right with their bigs.

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<v Speaker 3>Right right, you know, put pressure on their bigs and

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<v Speaker 3>on the defensive end, keep them in front, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>be ready to help. And you got to rebound, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>you got to rebound play without fulling, you know, you know.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's my take without knowing that the real specifics

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<v Speaker 3>of each group, Like I really don't watch them that

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<v Speaker 3>that closely, but you know, just fundamentally, those are the

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<v Speaker 3>things that I think once you get to that level,

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<v Speaker 3>that stage, you know, if you're doing those things, you

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<v Speaker 3>have a great chance.

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<v Speaker 1>Thomas Hill, former Duke guards, been on two national championship

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<v Speaker 1>three Final four teams at Duke. Former NBA player second

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<v Speaker 1>round pick, also coaches and as director of basketball at St.

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<v Speaker 1>Andrews Episcopal School in Austin, and we'll be in San

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<v Speaker 1>Antonio watching his Duke team play. Obviously, the calling card

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<v Speaker 1>for Houston is that they you know, They've got some

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<v Speaker 1>really good shooters, but they play defense and they get

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<v Speaker 1>on both ends of the glasses you were talking about.

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<v Speaker 2>So so my thing is, if I said.

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<v Speaker 1>To you, knowing that they can test every shot, this

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<v Speaker 1>game's in the sixties, who's it favor.

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<v Speaker 2>You know?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you do you think duke can play in a mutter?

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<v Speaker 1>You know, in one of those games it's ugly if

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<v Speaker 1>you're missing shots getting on one of those ugly games.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure they can. But that's where Houston lives. So

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<v Speaker 1>I said, if it's in the upper seventies, give me

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<v Speaker 1>the Duke's going to be They're tough. But if this

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<v Speaker 1>game's in where Houston usually lives, in the upper fifties,

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<v Speaker 1>sixties defensively, does it favor the Houston Cougars in that one?

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<v Speaker 2>A low scoring game more in Houston's favor?

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<v Speaker 3>Sure? Sure, now they you know Houston is a great

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<v Speaker 3>defensive team. You know, I definitely watched watch over the year.

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<v Speaker 3>They get after defensively, I think to the eight their

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<v Speaker 3>pressure is to attack them right, don't settle jump you know,

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<v Speaker 3>if you if you get in a situation and then

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<v Speaker 3>it's a low scoring game, if you're a duke, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>you got to really think about attacking them, putting pressure

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<v Speaker 3>on them, making them value to kind of you know,

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<v Speaker 3>you're getting easy shots, you're getting to the line. How

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<v Speaker 3>you're scoring, uh, you know, you know, kind of stay

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<v Speaker 3>in that in that you know, low scoring, you know

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<v Speaker 3>range as far as you know, just just being in

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<v Speaker 3>the game, you know, and not not necessarily sell them

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<v Speaker 3>for Jena Dotts.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, passive aggressive wouldn't worry. So you want to

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<v Speaker 1>attack aggressive with aggressive and not let them set the

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<v Speaker 1>temple of the game. I know on offense they like

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<v Speaker 1>you know you're going to get pressure, but you want

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I want to. I would want to get into

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<v Speaker 3>you just get them in thout trou because they are

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<v Speaker 3>aggressive defensively. You know, I think an issue we could

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<v Speaker 3>You know who makes the upper adjustments when things aren't

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<v Speaker 3>going the way you plan. We'll definitely have a say

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<v Speaker 1>Thomas, When did when did we become guard centric that

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<v Speaker 1>good guard play wins national titles? I mean, I know

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<v Speaker 1>Flag or back in the day when Al Sendor was

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<v Speaker 1>transfer to where it's perimeter? I don't know if it's

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<v Speaker 1>we Why is it so guard centric now where the

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's the influence of the European philosophy. But then

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<v Speaker 3>into you know, all of a sudden, if the Steph

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<v Speaker 3>Curry Clay Thompson are having kind of success they're having

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<v Speaker 3>at the highest level, everyone's trying to you know, so

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<v Speaker 3>you know, you could have all the guards to threes

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<v Speaker 3>all you want, they still got a guard and you

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<v Speaker 3>can get them in foul trouble if that's all they

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<v Speaker 3>want to do is shoot three. So you know, I

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<v Speaker 3>you know it's part of every I think it's good

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<v Speaker 3>for some people. I don't think it's for all people

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<v Speaker 3>but all teams. But it is what it is.

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<v Speaker 2>Thomas.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll let you go on this before I get a

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<v Speaker 1>prediction from me, and who you think. I know Duke's

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<v Speaker 1>going to be played on Monday night as opposed to Saturday.

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<v Speaker 1>In unique perspective, you played at a time when the

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<v Speaker 1>transfer you only transferred when you were hurt and got

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<v Speaker 1>beat out, or you know, back in the nineties when

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<v Speaker 1>people just didn't do it, you stayed around. Now you're

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<v Speaker 1>coaching in part of basketball for the high school kid,

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<v Speaker 1>So find me common ground. If you were in charge

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<v Speaker 1>of the NIL transfer portal, does it need fixed and

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<v Speaker 1>how would you fix it?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I think the the system or the ability to

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<v Speaker 3>leave situations for the pair is good. To be honest

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<v Speaker 3>with you, and I'm a coach. I think the coaches

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<v Speaker 3>have to do a better job of evaluating who they're

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<v Speaker 3>bringing into their programs. So you have a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>coaches that want the quick things because the jobs on

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<v Speaker 3>doing the due diligence on these kids they're bringing in.

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<v Speaker 3>So when they get there and the kid, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>he already has this track record of leaving places. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>now he gets to a situation where he thinks it

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<v Speaker 3>be better but it's not, then he decides to leave. Well,

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<v Speaker 3>the coach, you've got to understand that. That's part of it. Like,

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<v Speaker 3>can't cry about that. You know, that's what you're branding.

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<v Speaker 3>So I think it's a two way street with it

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<v Speaker 3>that the coaches have to do a better job of

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<v Speaker 3>evaluate and just understand that. I'm telling the kids that

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<v Speaker 3>don't stay anywhere. So whatever the characteristic come with that,

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<v Speaker 3>you got to understand that's what it is. Then on

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<v Speaker 3>the pot side, I think it's great because you know,

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<v Speaker 3>you can get in a situation. You know, I'm a

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<v Speaker 3>coach now and was a coaches don't tell the truth

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<v Speaker 3>there's all the time, right, So they get somewhere and

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<v Speaker 3>you know the coach didn't. It was like so you know,

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<v Speaker 3>but you know, I'm not a you know, as a

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<v Speaker 3>high school coach, and it's happened on my level where

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<v Speaker 3>you know, kids just they're not mentally toughenough to handle adversity,

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<v Speaker 3>and that that's a bigger issue.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a Now, we don't let them fail anymore, right, Thomas,

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<v Speaker 1>we we we don't let these kids fail and fight

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<v Speaker 1>their way through it. We want to save them from everything.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, right, And that's that's a whole nother queue. But

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<v Speaker 3>you know, in the terms of college back, I think

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<v Speaker 3>it's great. You know, it's evolving system, so you know,

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<v Speaker 3>we're just in the early stages of it. Eventually it

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<v Speaker 3>will clean up, you know, eventually, But I think it

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<v Speaker 3>starts with the of coaches and the adults in the

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<v Speaker 3>situation of making better decisions with certain kids.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's a great point.

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<v Speaker 1>Transfers three times, there may be a good chance you're

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<v Speaker 1>going to get a fourth transfer, So be alert for

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<v Speaker 1>the guy you go after and recruit and then bitch

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<v Speaker 1>about if you see him leave your program. All right,

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<v Speaker 1>give me give me a prediction on Saturday, and then

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<v Speaker 1>who you I'm assuming you're taking your Duke Blue Devils.

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<v Speaker 2>Who you playing Monday? Who you playing on Monday?

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<v Speaker 1>If you win this game, so give me a score

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<v Speaker 1>for this one, and who you like to play on Monday.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm saying Duke, we'd beat Houston by ten on Saturday

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<v Speaker 3>and on Monday, it really doesn't matter. We win by ten.

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<v Speaker 1>So you're double double digit wins on both and it

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<v Speaker 1>won't matter who you play on Monday because basically you're

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<v Speaker 1>saying this, you get through this one. Monday's a stone

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<v Speaker 1>cold lock. That's how you feel.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, it's not a lot to earn it, but actually

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<v Speaker 3>think where you know, once we get to the championship

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<v Speaker 3>game with this group, you know we're for talented and

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<v Speaker 3>other and I think John does a great job of

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<v Speaker 3>keeping them focused that you know, you know we'll finish

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<v Speaker 3>and and and people really understand coach my coach. It's

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<v Speaker 3>still behind the scenes.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh you know, yeah he is.

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<v Speaker 1>His imprint is still there and and really valid, isn't it?

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<v Speaker 2>Coach k exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>This is his time and I know he's going to

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<v Speaker 3>share things that others don't have, so it will motivate

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<v Speaker 3>our guy.

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<v Speaker 2>That's awesome, Thomas.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't thank you enough for spending time with us

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<v Speaker 1>and good luck, enjoy the visit to San Antonio. I

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<v Speaker 1>think we're in for one hell of a Final four

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<v Speaker 1>and I can't wait to see it. And thanks for

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<v Speaker 1>sharing some of the experiences in your good insight man.

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<v Speaker 2>Appreciate you, Appreciate you.

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<v Speaker 3>Thanks Sean, thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>That's great. Thomas Hill, what a career he's had. Everywhere

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<v Speaker 1>he's been. He wins