Speaker 2: Our next guest.
Speaker 1: It's been a minute, but I always smile when I
Speaker 1: see him on the rundown because I know we're gonna
Speaker 1: have a good time on a Tuesday afternoon with the
Speaker 1: legend himself.
Speaker 2: I an Eagle. I am happy Tuesday, sir. How are
Speaker 2: you hey?
Speaker 3: What's up? Spence? Thank you very much for the in
Speaker 3: bump music, little Don Henley Eagles. I see the connection, synchronicity.
Speaker 2: You got it, my friend?
Speaker 1: Do you get is this the time of year where
Speaker 1: you can actually take a deep breath and have a
Speaker 1: little bit of time off?
Speaker 2: Am I reading that correctly?
Speaker 3: You are? Yet today? Literally today was the day and
Speaker 3: then Porter reached out to me, so that ended.
Speaker 2: So we're ruining your free time.
Speaker 1: But truly, I mean, you're a man that grinds and works,
Speaker 1: and I feel like you're doing something like are you
Speaker 1: able to breathe a little bit right now? Are you
Speaker 1: busy working like you seem to always be.
Speaker 3: No, I'm definitely breathing. I do some voiceover stuff at
Speaker 3: an NBA voiceover today, so I wasn't completely off, but
Speaker 3: it's not heavy lifting this time of year. And yeah,
Speaker 3: it's been great, it's been terrific, just to recharge to
Speaker 3: the battery to watch the game in a different way
Speaker 3: through a different lens, the lens of a fan, while
Speaker 3: also watching it with historical perspective in mind. But the
Speaker 3: NBA Finals is still a crowning achievement, and these two
Speaker 3: teams are just outstanding storylines that deserve to be where
Speaker 3: they are. They've earned their right to play on the
Speaker 3: biggest stage they have.
Speaker 1: So let's do some NBA, let's do some pro basketball,
Speaker 1: and you know I And it's actually fun to watch
Speaker 1: the Knicks play themselves in irrelevance for the first time
Speaker 1: in a long long time. And obviously, so many memories
Speaker 1: come flooding back when you see Nick Pacers. Certainly with
Speaker 1: those two teams battling, the Pacers deserving victors. But what
Speaker 1: did you make of the decision to relieve Tom Thibodeau
Speaker 1: of his duties after bringing them to the Eastern Conference
Speaker 1: Finals for the first time in twenty five years?
Speaker 3: Yeah, a little surprised, anticipated that they would run it back.
Speaker 3: He had just signed an extension. Obviously, being were trending
Speaker 3: in the right direction, they improved each year, they got
Speaker 3: around further than they had previously. With Tom Tibodeaux as
Speaker 3: the head coach, but those pesky little exit interviews could
Speaker 3: certainly play a role, as we know, and trying to
Speaker 3: determine the best direction of the team, and my understanding
Speaker 3: is that some of that may have gone sideways for Tibbs,
Speaker 3: and unfortunately, as we know, that is enough to cost
Speaker 3: you your job. In the current climate of the NBA,
Speaker 3: players have a lot of power, and rightfully so, they
Speaker 3: deserve to have some say, but they're certain owners that
Speaker 3: will not get involved in that end of it. It
Speaker 3: feels like this may have been a different set of
Speaker 3: circumstances where there were some feelings within one side of
Speaker 3: management that maybe it was time to make a change
Speaker 3: and get some new blood and a new voice in
Speaker 3: and look, the results will tell the story. I don't
Speaker 3: think they're going to run it back with the same
Speaker 3: exact team. I think there will be changes and certainly
Speaker 3: a change in philosophy. Ended up calling a bunch of
Speaker 3: their postseason games in that first round series against Detroit
Speaker 3: and got a feel for how hard this team fights
Speaker 3: and the improvement that we saw. But ultimately the way
Speaker 3: that coach Tibbs approaches this it may have been as
Speaker 3: undoing the fact that he just believes in riding the
Speaker 3: starters heavy minutes, and then when they needed some others
Speaker 3: to step forward, they really didn't have the options they
Speaker 3: were hoping for in the conference finals.
Speaker 1: You know, I don't want to sound like the guy
Speaker 1: that's calling these young NBA players coddled, but I wonder
Speaker 1: you know, Michael Malone loses his job two years after
Speaker 1: went into championship. Taylor Jenkins, who kind of has that
Speaker 1: old school abrasive communicator cammunication style, loses his job after
Speaker 1: doing it really not just adequate, but excellent job with
Speaker 1: the young Memphis team when they were healthy and job
Speaker 1: was acting right or whatever, and now Tom loses his job.
Speaker 1: Is the older approach is the Greg Popovitch Jerry Sloan
Speaker 1: old school approach? Is that out the window based off
Speaker 1: of maybe how you have to communicate with these younger
Speaker 1: NBA players, It.
Speaker 3: Probably is, And you just have to look at the
Speaker 3: economics of it. When you take the top three highest
Speaker 3: paid players on an NBA team, they and essence have
Speaker 3: become almost partners with the owners based on their yearly
Speaker 3: salary and the commitment level of takes. When you look
Speaker 3: at the Supermax and how much money you have to
Speaker 3: invest in these players, and it is an investment. So
Speaker 3: if things aren't going according to plan, it's much easier
Speaker 3: to change a coach who might be making four million,
Speaker 3: five million, eight million a year, even on the higher end,
Speaker 3: than it is to make it a adjustment with the
Speaker 3: player who you're on the hook for in access of
Speaker 3: two hundred or three hundred million dollars. So just look
Speaker 3: at how things work in the world and who's going
Speaker 3: to have a little bit more say and who's going
Speaker 3: to have leverage in that situation. You have unique circumstances.
Speaker 3: San Antonio certainly had them because pop kept winning and
Speaker 3: they reinvented themselves and then they won again with a
Speaker 3: whole different set of players. So once you get to
Speaker 3: that place of credibility, ownership is going to side with
Speaker 3: the Greg Popovich. But even a title you mentioned, Mike
Speaker 3: Malone won the title with Denver and then there our
Speaker 3: struggle with the Nuggets between head coach and GM and
Speaker 3: then they both lost because ownership decided that there was
Speaker 3: too much toxicity and the players weren't responding. So look, Spence,
Speaker 3: you've been around this your whole life. I think sometimes
Speaker 3: it's easy to make proclamations from the outside, and if
Speaker 3: you don't have all all the information, if you're not
Speaker 3: privy to it, you may not be aware of the
Speaker 3: inner workings of a franchise. In the nixt case, it's
Speaker 3: not cut and dry. You've got some people within upper
Speaker 3: management that have a say in matters of the future,
Speaker 3: and their say might be very different than the vision
Speaker 3: of the head coach. In this particular example with New York,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 1: It's just one more thing here, then we'll move on,
Speaker 1: because honestly, the Pacers deserve their flowers for winning the series.
Speaker 1: But you know you love back there obviously. You know
Speaker 1: you know the ton and tenor of how it's worked
Speaker 1: and for so many years, and I will just say it,
Speaker 1: I do think it comes from their owner, who does
Speaker 1: play kazoo as a front man in his band and
Speaker 1: forces employees to go watch his band. And for so
Speaker 1: many years I felt like it was the decisions made
Speaker 1: out of emotion that seem to be overly reactive that
Speaker 1: wouldn't allow them any traction. And I'm watching the watching
Speaker 1: them this year, I'm like, Okay, finally Leon Rose.
Speaker 2: Was able to do this the right way.
Speaker 1: Over the course of a number of years make some
Speaker 1: savvy decisions.
Speaker 2: A lot of people question the Jalen thing. It's clearly worked.
Speaker 1: They took a risk getting rid of de Vincenzo and
Speaker 1: Randall to bring in Kat. And you know, I do
Speaker 1: think Kat has you know, his warts defensively, but I
Speaker 1: think he played pretty well year one in New York.
Speaker 1: And I don't think they're a championship roster. I didn't
Speaker 1: think they were this year. But this once again reeks
Speaker 1: of desperation. It reeks of impulsivity from an owner that
Speaker 1: doesn't seem to know how to be patient. And I
Speaker 1: don't know what's reasonable to expect for a new coach
Speaker 1: to get more out of this roster.
Speaker 2: And I really don't.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's interesting, and we could play the what if
Speaker 3: game Spence, But there are many that believe if they
Speaker 3: got clipped by the Celtics but defending champions in the
Speaker 3: second round and lost in six games, that Tom Deibodeau
Speaker 3: may have survived it because they weren't necessarily expected to
Speaker 3: be Boston. But how does that work when you're actually
Speaker 3: a victim of your own success. You beat Boston, you
Speaker 3: lose to a team that maybe ownership believed you should
Speaker 3: beat after losing to them last year, and the disappointment
Speaker 3: of losing to Indiana might have been enough for ownership
Speaker 3: to then determine, hey, we got to change some things.
Speaker 3: We have to alter what our process is. And look,
Speaker 3: the fact of the matter is, we do not know
Speaker 3: what was said behind closed doors. We don't know what
Speaker 3: the top stars said. We don't know if they were
Speaker 3: leading questions for the stars in those exit interviews to
Speaker 3: get them down a track that allowed and enabled ownership
Speaker 3: to justify the move ultimately. And you could say Leon
Speaker 3: Rose is in charge, and look, I do think he's
Speaker 3: been given a lot of freedom with this roster, but
Speaker 3: he still has a boss, and his boss owns the team,
Speaker 3: and if the owner wanted to make a change, guess
Speaker 3: what they're going to make a change.
Speaker 1: So I've got to say I've been no part of
Speaker 1: me as a Pacers fan that will not surprise you,
Speaker 1: but I've been wildly impressed with the way Rick Carlisle's
Speaker 1: been able to get this group to figure it out.
Speaker 1: I mean, nobody had them going to the finals to
Speaker 1: start the year. They're ten and fifteen early on injury issues,
Speaker 1: and he is maximizing guys like Nemhard and Nie Smith.
Speaker 1: I mean, the whole discourse around Halliburton has been exhausting.
Speaker 1: He's an Olympian, he's been an All Star, he's awesome. Like,
Speaker 1: we don't need to debate whether or not he's good.
Speaker 1: But it's the antillary pieces that Rick has been able
Speaker 1: to fit that's been really impressive. So as you watch
Speaker 1: them advance to the finals and we find themselves very
Speaker 1: much in this series, what stood out most of you
Speaker 1: about the way Ricks coached them.
Speaker 3: Up, Well, it's interesting. I have some experience early in
Speaker 3: the season the Nets played the Pacers in Indiana was
Speaker 3: completely out of sorts at that point. So that was
Speaker 3: during that start that you just mentioned, and I was
Speaker 3: shocked because they were or a conference finalist the year before,
Speaker 3: they were an offensive juggernaut in the twenty three to
Speaker 3: twenty four season, and we just weren't seeing it. And
Speaker 3: Haliburton did look a bit lost and the magic that
Speaker 3: we had seen from previous seasons just wasn't there, as
Speaker 3: confidence level wasn't there coming off the Olympics. We later
Speaker 3: come to find out he wasn't a hundred percent physically.
Speaker 3: He was laboring, and it took some time for him
Speaker 3: to finally get back into the rhythm. Next time I
Speaker 3: saw them was a nationally televised game on TNT. It
Speaker 3: was the Nixon Pacers and they didn't play very well.
Speaker 3: The Knicks beat him that night. Karl Anthony Towns went off.
Speaker 3: They had no answers for him, And I remember sitting
Speaker 3: with Rick Carlisle prior to the game, and Carlisle is
Speaker 3: a deep thinker and as a basketball genius, but I
Speaker 3: felt like he knew it was going to be okay.
Speaker 3: You know when you sense that from someone despite the result,
Speaker 3: I just got the feeling from our fifteen minutes pregame
Speaker 3: that he recognized that this team was going to make
Speaker 3: it work and basically told us it was Grant Ill
Speaker 3: and I that did that game together. And then the
Speaker 3: next time I see him come playoff time, everything is
Speaker 3: now clicking and everything that Rick envisioned has come to
Speaker 3: fruition with this group. They're deep, they are versatile, they
Speaker 3: share the ball. Siakam has been the perfect fit championship pedigree.
Speaker 3: He has proved himself to be one of the most
Speaker 3: valuable pieces in the NBA. You mentioned Nie Smith, Unsung,
Speaker 3: Nemhard Unsung, TJ McConnell unsung. There's a recurring theme with
Speaker 3: Indiana and when they needed a performance from Thomas Bryant,
Speaker 3: he steps forward. Obi Toppin occasionally gives you a little
Speaker 3: extra juice. So this is beyond and just Tyreese Halliburton
Speaker 3: is as you mentioned, so a lot of respect for
Speaker 3: this group, very tough, never count them out. They find
Speaker 3: a way. With all of that said, I think what
Speaker 3: you saw in the first two games is very real.
Speaker 3: And yes they're going home and that should provide an advantage.
Speaker 3: They stole Game one, which was huge, but there's still
Speaker 3: the underdogs in this series. Oksee, They're just so ridiculously
Speaker 3: deep and talented that it's going to be a big
Speaker 3: challenge for Indiana to overcome.
Speaker 2: I agree with that.
Speaker 1: I picked Okase in five, which does not make me
Speaker 1: unique at all. I would not be stunned if Indiana
Speaker 1: gets wanted gaines Bridge, because that crowd is going to
Speaker 1: be ready. It's been twenty five years right since the
Speaker 1: finals in Indianapolis, which is a great basketball city, so
Speaker 1: I can see them getting one. But before we move
Speaker 1: on from this, how do you see the rest of
Speaker 1: it playing out? Do you have a lean one way
Speaker 1: or the other.
Speaker 3: Now I'm leaning towards what you just mentioned. I think
Speaker 3: they get one, but I don't think they get any
Speaker 3: more than that the rest of the way. So then
Speaker 3: that would mean okay, see wins the NBA title in Indianapolis
Speaker 3: in six games, and that's probably how it's going to
Speaker 3: play out. How game three goes might change the way
Speaker 3: we view it. If Indiana goes up to one and
Speaker 3: then the pressure builds on Okac, then maybe we're seeing
Speaker 3: a different tune. But to me, this just has the
Speaker 3: feel of a six game NBA Finals with the most
Speaker 3: dominant team of the season emerging as the champion and
Speaker 3: hoisting the trophy when it's all said and done.
Speaker 2: So are Utah Jazz out this way?
Speaker 1: Iron had the worst season in franchise history and certainly
Speaker 1: was by design, and so we were all gathered around
Speaker 1: the television hoping that we would learn the Cooper flag
Speaker 1: is on his way and he's not the Jazz I
Speaker 1: say fall to five. But ultimately the best chance, uh,
Speaker 1: it was the fifth pick. It was a forty seven
Speaker 1: point eight percent chance or whatever, only a fourteen percent
Speaker 1: chance for one.
Speaker 2: What do you what do you think of the way
Speaker 2: the NBA does this.
Speaker 1: As far as the lottery process, of course, we are
Speaker 1: a little bit frosty out here.
Speaker 2: We were hoping for number one.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think the NBA has made it very clear
Speaker 3: that they don't want teams tanking, and yet teams still
Speaker 3: tank because just look at what OKC has done. OKAC
Speaker 3: has done it the right way. They've stuck piled picks.
Speaker 3: They've been fortunate in the lottery, and when they haven't
Speaker 3: been as fortunate in the lottery, they've hit home runs
Speaker 3: in the first round. They found players that other teams
Speaker 3: may not have been interested and turned them into something.
Speaker 3: So I think the Thunder probably ended up being the
Speaker 3: template that everybody wants to follow. But that requires someone
Speaker 3: like Sam Presty to run your basketball operations and be
Speaker 3: incredibly shrewd and make strong move after strong move after
Speaker 3: strong move in the draft and cre agency and in trades.
Speaker 3: The lottery itself is what it is, and I know
Speaker 3: it from the Brooklyn side of things. The fan base
Speaker 3: got very upset when the team started winning games and
Speaker 3: they were competitive. But I can just tell you that
Speaker 3: Jordi Fernandez didn't view it the same way as the fans.
Speaker 3: He viewed it as Hey, these games go on my
Speaker 3: permanent record. I'm trying to create a feeling of winning
Speaker 3: within the franchise, and I also want to let people
Speaker 3: know around the league that I can coach. I know
Speaker 3: what I'm doing, and I do understand all of that.
Speaker 3: I understand his perspective and trying to run a program
Speaker 3: day in and day out, and not just looking for
Speaker 3: ways to lose, but looking for ways to improve. And
Speaker 3: sometimes the young guys just did enough to win games
Speaker 3: they weren't supposed to win. And similar to Jazz fans,
Speaker 3: Nets fans were not happy on draft that many years ago.
Speaker 3: The Nets had one of the worst seasons in NBA
Speaker 3: history and they ended up with the third pick. That
Speaker 3: was the John Wall draft. I remember watching the lottery
Speaker 3: that year thinking, Okay, this is it, this is the guy,
Speaker 3: this is the one that's going to change their franchise.
Speaker 3: Washington gets the first pick. Nets don't get the second
Speaker 3: pick either. Evan Turner is the second pick that year,
Speaker 3: and the Nets end up selecting Derek Favors, who, as
Speaker 3: you know, they used in the Darren Williams deal. So
Speaker 3: you can have best laid plans and then reality.
Speaker 1: Hits you in the face as someone who at a
Speaker 1: front row seat, I'm sure multiple times to watch Cooper
Speaker 1: flag this.
Speaker 2: Year at Duke. Yeah, is he everything he's cracked up
Speaker 2: to me?
Speaker 1: I mean, it's such a weird thing to try to
Speaker 1: analyze these young men because there's so many things that
Speaker 1: could happen that could derail them. I don't know that
Speaker 1: he's Victor wemb and Ya'm a generational according to people
Speaker 1: that study this, but it feels like a lot of
Speaker 1: people believe that he's next in line.
Speaker 2: Is Is he gonna live up to the billion nine?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'd be surprised if he's not a big time player.
Speaker 3: He looks to me like an all star player. He
Speaker 3: can do everything. And the other part that is hard
Speaker 3: to gauge because you never quite know until they get there.
Speaker 3: He wants to be great, and he'll do the work
Speaker 3: necessary to be great, and he's got the right mindset
Speaker 3: to be great. So if you and I are having
Speaker 3: this conversation in five years, seven years, ten years and
Speaker 3: Cooper Flagg did not live up to the billing, I
Speaker 3: will look back and say that I was a bit
Speaker 3: shocked because the skill level is there and the determination
Speaker 3: is there. You can't ever truly know what's in someone's heart.
Speaker 3: But despite all the money and I l this year,
Speaker 3: despite all the ballet who, despite all the buzz and
Speaker 3: the hype, Gee was everything that they thought he was
Speaker 3: going to be. And more so, I'm just using that
Speaker 3: mentality to the next level. The skills are there, the
Speaker 3: versatility is there, two way performer. I think he's going
Speaker 3: to be a legitimate star in the NBA. Yes, I think.
Speaker 1: One of the other things it seems to be, you know,
Speaker 1: stinging folks around here a little bit is you look
Speaker 1: at the past, you know, five, six, seven years in
Speaker 1: pro basketball where teams in Milwaukee and Denver have won
Speaker 1: championships and this year Indianapolis and Oklahoma City market sizes
Speaker 1: that are in our ecosystem kind of where we exist
Speaker 1: in our cul de sac.
Speaker 2: And certainly it's by design.
Speaker 1: Adam Silver has spoken about this, and you certainly know this.
Speaker 1: This is a new era of NBA basketball with very
Speaker 1: punitive economics. If you decide that you only write checks
Speaker 1: for the best town in the league, that's no longer sustainable.
Speaker 1: I mean, the new owners of the Boston Celtics have
Speaker 1: a five hundred dollars luxury tax bill just to have
Speaker 1: the roster and so and so. I think one of
Speaker 1: the things that is kind of disappointing about where we
Speaker 1: find ourselves is the Jazz currently are not prepared to
Speaker 1: capitalize on this new ecosystem where it doesn't matter where
Speaker 1: you are, You're able to do this anywhere. I wonder
Speaker 1: what your thoughts are on that. Hopefully the Jazz were
Speaker 1: able to capitalize on this before the CBA NS in
Speaker 1: five years to be one of these teams in a
Speaker 1: small market that's throwing punches with the other best teams.
Speaker 2: In the league.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And what's the common theme of all the teams
Speaker 3: that you just mentioned. Their superstars were not top three
Speaker 3: or top five picks. Yep, Jannosa deta Compo. Anybody could
Speaker 3: have had him without a doubt. Nikola Jokic, anybody could
Speaker 3: have had him. Shay Gilgis Alexander, he was not a
Speaker 3: top five pick. He had a really nice rookie season
Speaker 3: for the Clippers. And because Kawhi Leonard was in the
Speaker 3: process of signing and wanted another proven star with him,
Speaker 3: they make the deal with OKC for Paul George and
Speaker 3: it turns out to be a lopsided deal in favor
Speaker 3: of the thunder as SGA turns into an MVP and
Speaker 3: Hall of Famer before our eyes. So everything that we
Speaker 3: talked about earlier in regards to making smart basketball decisions,
Speaker 3: having some good luck and good fortune, that's where you
Speaker 3: stand if you're a Utah Jazz fan. It doesn't have
Speaker 3: to be the bona fide number one, number two overall pick,
Speaker 3: but you got to. You gotta make a lot of
Speaker 3: contact when it comes to this draft. Jalen Williams another
Speaker 3: one that comes to mind with OKC not a top
Speaker 3: five pick. They found him, they developed him. He developed
Speaker 3: very quickly into an All Star, into an All NBA
Speaker 3: team performer. And that's what it comes down to. It's
Speaker 3: not just lucking out with the ping pong balls going
Speaker 3: your way. Of course, san Antonio Victor WEMBA Nyama, nobody's
Speaker 3: going to turn that down. But look at the record, Spence.
Speaker 3: It hasn't backed up what Victor is capable of because
Speaker 3: A he was on a bad team in his first year.
Speaker 3: B he got hurt in a second year. C he's
Speaker 3: playing in a highly competitive Western Conference. So even getting
Speaker 3: the generational talent guarantees you nothing in terms of team success.
Speaker 2: This is true.
Speaker 3: Ian.
Speaker 1: Before I set you loose, you referenced NIL earlier and
Speaker 1: a couple of figures here. So, according to front Off
Speaker 1: of Sports, the NBA Draft is down on participants. One
Speaker 1: hundred and six players entered the draft this year. That's
Speaker 1: the lowest number of early entrants since twenty fifteen. Our
Speaker 1: early entrance peaked in twenty twenty one with three sixty three,
Speaker 1: and we all know what happened in twenty twenty one.
Speaker 1: That's when NIL became a reality. In April, the NFL
Speaker 1: Draft had sixty nine under classmen enter the draft. That's
Speaker 1: down from one to twenty eight in twenty twenty one.
Speaker 1: Do you think nil will have a adverse effect on
Speaker 1: co legian athletics? Are the fact that more kids seem
Speaker 1: to be staying to play because they can make money.
Speaker 1: Will that make the product better both college football and
Speaker 1: college basketball?
Speaker 3: Yeah? I mean Spence, I'm not going with recency bias here,
Speaker 3: but having called the Final four in San Antonio, those
Speaker 3: three games, both semi finals and championship game were played
Speaker 3: at an extremely high level. All four teams were acceptable teams,
Speaker 3: and it was all number one seeds emerging. I don't
Speaker 3: think it was by accident. I do believe there's been
Speaker 3: a cause and effect. I do believe nil has been
Speaker 3: a big reason why we've seen this new storyline emerge.
Speaker 3: And while I know that there are those that bemoan
Speaker 3: the fact they're not getting the Cinderella stories in the
Speaker 3: first and second round, what we saw was more competitive
Speaker 3: basketball come Sweet sixteen, Elite eight and beyond. Does that continue?
Speaker 3: I tend to think it will until things level out,
Speaker 3: or if there's a salary cap, which eventually may come.
Speaker 3: By the way, that players are just going to slot
Speaker 3: in to where they fit. That you can pay your
Speaker 3: lead star X and your second biggest player why and
Speaker 3: down the line, and that's where they might be able
Speaker 3: to maintain the competitive balance with some of the mid
Speaker 3: level programs. But for now, it's Cowboys and Indians. Who's
Speaker 3: got the most money, who's got the payroll. The other
Speaker 3: part about it is you can make a mistake and
Speaker 3: then bounce back. If you're a Kansas they made mistakes
Speaker 3: in their roster this past year. Guess what they're going
Speaker 3: to reload for twenty five twenty six. I doubt that
Speaker 3: they're going to make the same mistakes two years in
Speaker 3: a row. But it does show that you've got to
Speaker 3: be a very well scouted group of coaches and beyond,
Speaker 3: because now they have gms of these college teams to
Speaker 3: project the future. You're obviously fishing for major stars, but
Speaker 3: just because you pay them a ridiculous amount of money
Speaker 3: doesn't mean that they're going to necessarily deliver for you.
Speaker 3: So there is that part of the equation too. Of
Speaker 3: some teams are just better at evaluating talent, and we
Speaker 3: saw that this past year.
Speaker 2: I and thank you sir. Always a pleasure.
Speaker 1: We'll let you get back to putting your feet up
Speaker 1: on the sofa with a little bit of free time
Speaker 1: for you back to the grind.
Speaker 2: So be well and we'll chat soon. Thank you sir.
Speaker 3: Yeah, appreciate it's fence. Always great talking to you man.
Speaker 1: All the best, Hi, inego play by Playboy, CBS, T
Speaker 1: and T. TBS does basketball, football, tennis, golf, does a
Speaker 1: little bit of everything. He's won like seventy Emmys. I
Speaker 1: always lose track. I feel like he wins it every year.
Speaker 1: And obviously his son Noah a rising star in that
Speaker 1: space as well.