WEBVTT 1 00:00:30.399 --> 00:00:32.600 Hello everybody, you're Malcolm Back. Thank you very much for 2 00:00:32.679 --> 00:00:36.560 joining me. My name is Deborah Hatswell and you're listening 3 00:00:36.560 --> 00:00:40.200 to the BBI CA Files tonight. I'd like to share 4 00:00:40.240 --> 00:00:43.479 with you for missing children cases that took place in 5 00:00:43.520 --> 00:00:47.520 the UK and they are still officially unsolved. Using my 6 00:00:47.560 --> 00:00:50.280 background of duo profiling, I'd like to look at these 7 00:00:50.359 --> 00:00:53.920 cases and examine them and see who we think the 8 00:00:53.920 --> 00:00:57.759 prime suspects in the case was and maybe what happened 9 00:00:57.759 --> 00:01:03.079 that day or violent teaches us that humans act in 10 00:01:03.159 --> 00:01:06.560 their worst way in a place where they feel comfortable 11 00:01:06.760 --> 00:01:10.760 and at home, where they fitted, where they know their territory, 12 00:01:10.799 --> 00:01:13.920 like a hunting ground. It is far rarer for a 13 00:01:14.000 --> 00:01:16.680 stranger to take a child or an adult, and it's 14 00:01:16.840 --> 00:01:21.079 usually by the hand of someone they know. Serial killers 15 00:01:21.079 --> 00:01:25.280 are not the blubbering, simple minded troglodytes the media would 16 00:01:25.319 --> 00:01:27.719 lead you to believe. In fact, many of them are 17 00:01:27.799 --> 00:01:32.040 high functioning, organized, They know exactly what they're doing. They're 18 00:01:32.120 --> 00:01:35.879 very goal orientated, and they will hunt their prey, often 19 00:01:35.920 --> 00:01:40.599 in broad daylight, beneath the noses of unsuspecting passers by. 20 00:01:41.239 --> 00:01:44.920 So Lex examine the cases in detail and compare suspects 21 00:01:45.000 --> 00:01:49.959 and circumstances. Now, if you're of Irish heritage, you may 22 00:01:50.000 --> 00:01:52.439 be one of my many cousins. If you have the 23 00:01:52.519 --> 00:01:57.599 name Boile in your family and I'm related to Anthony 24 00:01:57.599 --> 00:02:01.319 Boyle who was born in County Mayor, tracing your DNA 25 00:02:01.439 --> 00:02:04.400 can bring up a manner of strange mysteries, and the 26 00:02:04.480 --> 00:02:07.879 disappearance of little Mary Boyle, who is a distant relative 27 00:02:07.920 --> 00:02:10.879 of mine, is one of those. Mary had lived in 28 00:02:10.919 --> 00:02:13.439 England for a few years when this case took place, 29 00:02:13.599 --> 00:02:15.879 and it was on a visit back to her grandparents' 30 00:02:15.960 --> 00:02:21.479 home she vanished without a trace. Mary will always be 31 00:02:21.719 --> 00:02:24.919 that cheeky little six year old and her case remains 32 00:02:24.960 --> 00:02:29.080 one of Ireland's longest missing child cases. Mary went missing 33 00:02:29.159 --> 00:02:33.199 from her grandmother's home in Ballyshannna and Donegal on March eighteenth, 34 00:02:33.280 --> 00:02:36.560 nineteen seventy seven. She was last seen and when she 35 00:02:36.639 --> 00:02:39.319 followed her uncle Jerry through the fields while he went 36 00:02:39.360 --> 00:02:43.599 to a neighbour's home to return a ladder, but Mary 37 00:02:43.960 --> 00:02:46.280 was said to have turned back for home, never to 38 00:02:46.319 --> 00:02:49.520 have been seen again. Jerry since died and there'd been 39 00:02:49.520 --> 00:02:50.960 no trace of Mary ever since. 40 00:02:51.000 --> 00:02:51.479 That day. 41 00:02:52.639 --> 00:02:55.960 Mary was dressed in trousers and knitted cardigan, and she 42 00:02:55.960 --> 00:02:58.479 had a long hair tied back with a ribbon. And 43 00:02:58.520 --> 00:03:00.960 she ran into the kitchen that mark and said, oh, Mom, 44 00:03:01.080 --> 00:03:03.520 forgot to kiss you, and gave her mum a big 45 00:03:03.599 --> 00:03:06.319 kiss and a hug. And those were the last words 46 00:03:06.360 --> 00:03:09.879 Mary ever spoke to her mother. Inside the farmhouse, the 47 00:03:09.919 --> 00:03:13.360 adults were putting the evening meal together. Mary went outside 48 00:03:13.360 --> 00:03:16.680 to play with her identical twin sister Anne, and her 49 00:03:16.680 --> 00:03:20.360 older brother Paddi and two of her cousins. Her uncle 50 00:03:20.439 --> 00:03:23.000 Jerry was working on the roof of the house and 51 00:03:23.080 --> 00:03:25.080 he decided at that point that he was going to 52 00:03:25.120 --> 00:03:27.960 cross the bog to return a ladder to the Carliss. 53 00:03:28.479 --> 00:03:32.560 He lived about four hundred yards away. Mary, who could 54 00:03:32.639 --> 00:03:35.400 be a bold and cheeky child, decided to tag along 55 00:03:35.439 --> 00:03:39.240 with him and sat out across the fields. Around quarter 56 00:03:39.280 --> 00:03:42.520 to four, she'd walked behind her uncle Jerry's towards the 57 00:03:42.560 --> 00:03:46.120 Carly's house, and when she reached a water filled patch 58 00:03:46.159 --> 00:03:49.039 in the bog, Jerry told her to turn back for home. 59 00:03:49.879 --> 00:03:53.520 He claimed she was last seen eating a packet of 60 00:03:53.680 --> 00:03:57.919 the Tato Crisp brand crisps and she was walking towards 61 00:03:57.919 --> 00:04:01.599 home returned you with grandparents farm house. She would have 62 00:04:01.599 --> 00:04:03.919 taken no more than three or four minutes. It was 63 00:04:04.000 --> 00:04:07.400 four hundred yards, so in total, with the walk there 64 00:04:07.439 --> 00:04:10.120 and the walk back, even being generous, there was about 65 00:04:10.159 --> 00:04:16.399 ten minutes there in which Mary vanished. Jerry then doesn't 66 00:04:16.439 --> 00:04:18.959 return to the farmhouse until four p thirty, so that's 67 00:04:19.000 --> 00:04:22.279 forty five minutes later. And he said that was because 68 00:04:22.759 --> 00:04:23.920 he was chatting. 69 00:04:25.680 --> 00:04:26.000 Missus. 70 00:04:26.000 --> 00:04:28.680 Anne Boyle was in the kitchen with the parents making 71 00:04:28.720 --> 00:04:31.519 a meal, and she said, I looked out the front 72 00:04:31.560 --> 00:04:33.399 door and the rest of the children were playing in 73 00:04:33.439 --> 00:04:37.399 the front garden. Mary wasn't there. My brother Jerry was there. 74 00:04:37.480 --> 00:04:39.519 He was fixing the stone wall in front of the house. 75 00:04:40.120 --> 00:04:42.519 I asked him, did he see Mayor? He didn't even 76 00:04:42.560 --> 00:04:45.040 react to me at all, didn't answer. I presumed he 77 00:04:45.079 --> 00:04:48.480 hadn't heard me. Ten minutes later, I asked, did anyone 78 00:04:48.519 --> 00:04:51.560 see Mary? And Jerry shot a finger side down the road. 79 00:04:52.279 --> 00:04:54.639 When Jerry came back to the house, he said she'd 80 00:04:54.680 --> 00:04:58.000 followed him earlier to the Carley's house and knit she 81 00:04:58.120 --> 00:05:01.439 turned back. Her mom men jumped into the car and 82 00:05:01.519 --> 00:05:04.920 drove the lanes, but couldn't find her. The entire lake 83 00:05:05.079 --> 00:05:09.000 behind her grandparents' house was drained. They never found her 84 00:05:09.040 --> 00:05:13.759 there and extensive searches have never found any trace of Mary. 85 00:05:14.519 --> 00:05:17.879 Her mum said, Mary never leaves our mind. Is something 86 00:05:17.879 --> 00:05:19.720 that we live with and we don't cope with it 87 00:05:19.839 --> 00:05:23.120 very well. In nineteen seventy seven and you never thought 88 00:05:23.120 --> 00:05:25.920 of anything happening to a child, I know you do now. 89 00:05:26.639 --> 00:05:28.560 One man came to see us. He said he was 90 00:05:28.600 --> 00:05:31.480 a divener a feller from Cork. He said Mary was 91 00:05:31.519 --> 00:05:34.600 in Scotland, so I went to Scotland. She wasn't there. 92 00:05:35.199 --> 00:05:37.720 Another blog said she was in a mineshaft in Belfast 93 00:05:37.920 --> 00:05:40.439 and that was a false lead. Just a while back 94 00:05:40.560 --> 00:05:42.839 a body was found at merv Our golf Club and 95 00:05:42.879 --> 00:05:46.319 the rumors started, but that golf club wasn't built when 96 00:05:46.360 --> 00:05:50.600 Mary was alive. I believe Mary was killed on the 97 00:05:50.680 --> 00:05:53.560 day she vanished. In fact, I think she was killed 98 00:05:53.600 --> 00:05:56.680 within minutes of being outside of the farmhouse. None of 99 00:05:56.720 --> 00:05:59.160 the clothing she wore or was wearing that day was 100 00:05:59.199 --> 00:06:03.439 ever found, including in Wellington boots and distinctive hair ribbons. 101 00:06:03.839 --> 00:06:06.439 And there was also the mention of the backet of 102 00:06:06.519 --> 00:06:09.480 Chris the Tato brand that she had with her when 103 00:06:09.560 --> 00:06:12.680 she left the garden. Now many of the guardi were 104 00:06:12.839 --> 00:06:16.439 diversity to search for Mary when the girl disappeared just 105 00:06:16.560 --> 00:06:22.000 outside of bally Shannon. Modern day investigations would have shut 106 00:06:22.079 --> 00:06:25.759 down that scene immediately, you know, it would have been 107 00:06:25.800 --> 00:06:30.160 sealed off to the public. DS Murray, who ran the case, said, 108 00:06:30.199 --> 00:06:35.079 that's not what happened. Unfortunately, we were looking for a 109 00:06:35.120 --> 00:06:38.839 missing girl, not a girl abducted by a suspected murderer 110 00:06:39.920 --> 00:06:42.519 with a child lost. Lots of people would have been 111 00:06:42.560 --> 00:06:45.600 trampling with Wellington's on that scene, so there was no 112 00:06:45.720 --> 00:06:50.199 clues for them to follow. Now, the area Mary went 113 00:06:50.240 --> 00:06:53.160 missing in its Boggs wet ground. It was spring, if 114 00:06:53.199 --> 00:06:55.600 you remember, it was March, so when he footprints had 115 00:06:55.639 --> 00:06:58.319 show for a while in the peat box, there should 116 00:06:58.399 --> 00:07:01.879 have been signs of where Mary had somewhere and Uncle 117 00:07:01.959 --> 00:07:05.040 Jerry had walked. Also, we only have his word for 118 00:07:05.120 --> 00:07:08.360 it that Mary turned around and Eddie back. In fact, 119 00:07:08.439 --> 00:07:13.759 Jerry Gallagher has given several unconvincing and inconsistent account of 120 00:07:13.800 --> 00:07:16.920 what happened on the day Mary went missing. He has 121 00:07:16.959 --> 00:07:20.759 stuck to the claim that she's simply vanished into thin air. 122 00:07:22.319 --> 00:07:25.720 Jerry Gallagher's failures to admit when asked that Mary had 123 00:07:25.759 --> 00:07:30.040 been with him is suspicious, to say the least, statements 124 00:07:30.040 --> 00:07:32.079 given to the Guard at the time by him and 125 00:07:32.160 --> 00:07:36.240 certain other family members are laid on the contradictions. Some 126 00:07:36.319 --> 00:07:38.800 officers who were first on the scene that day say 127 00:07:38.800 --> 00:07:42.000 they are in no doubt that Jerry Gallagher was responsible 128 00:07:42.000 --> 00:07:46.160 for Mary's disappearance. Why did he not hear Anne when 129 00:07:46.199 --> 00:07:48.759 she asked where Mary was, but the children in the 130 00:07:48.759 --> 00:07:52.600 guard had heard well enough. Why did he immediately drive 131 00:07:52.639 --> 00:07:55.319 off in his car when the you and christ started 132 00:07:56.079 --> 00:08:00.000 rather than joining the search. In fact, if you listen 133 00:08:00.079 --> 00:08:04.480 in between the lines, Jerry never searched for Mary alone 134 00:08:04.959 --> 00:08:10.000 or in any of the search parties. All the suspects 135 00:08:10.040 --> 00:08:13.319 had been questioned into relation of the disappearance of Mary. 136 00:08:13.759 --> 00:08:17.240 One of them was a chap called Brian McMahon. He 137 00:08:17.279 --> 00:08:19.600 is a local man. He was taken in for questioning 138 00:08:19.600 --> 00:08:23.759 in October of twenty fourteen in relation to Mary's disappearance, 139 00:08:23.879 --> 00:08:27.240 but he was released without charge the following day. McMahon 140 00:08:27.360 --> 00:08:31.399 later went on public record denying any involvement in the disappearance, 141 00:08:31.680 --> 00:08:35.200 stating that local people knew he could not have been involved. 142 00:08:36.519 --> 00:08:38.879 Then we have to look at the serial murder Robert 143 00:08:38.879 --> 00:08:42.480 Black and for all he was Scottish, he took children 144 00:08:42.519 --> 00:08:45.480 from all across the UK as he was a delivery 145 00:08:45.559 --> 00:08:48.519 driver and at the time he was working for a 146 00:08:48.559 --> 00:08:52.799 firm that was delivering to County Donegal, not too far 147 00:08:52.840 --> 00:08:54.200 from Mary's disappearance. 148 00:08:56.519 --> 00:08:57.200 We also have. 149 00:08:57.240 --> 00:09:01.279 To look at the poachers at the lake, because some 150 00:09:01.320 --> 00:09:04.320 people believed that Mary had stumbled upon them and they 151 00:09:04.320 --> 00:09:06.320 had to rush her up, so she didn't tell on them. 152 00:09:06.960 --> 00:09:10.200 But who would she tell. Let's be honest, a six 153 00:09:10.279 --> 00:09:12.879 year old girl in rural island seeing men fishing at 154 00:09:12.879 --> 00:09:15.799 a lake wouldn't know they were doing anything wrong. You know, 155 00:09:15.879 --> 00:09:18.679 she's not land management. In fact, some of the men 156 00:09:18.720 --> 00:09:20.960 at the lake that day did confirm that they'd see 157 00:09:21.039 --> 00:09:23.759 Mary and that she was walking with her uncle Jerry, 158 00:09:24.360 --> 00:09:29.840 but they didn't see her return. Jerry is a logical subspect, 159 00:09:29.919 --> 00:09:33.000 isn't it. You know, he's not known for his friendliness. 160 00:09:33.200 --> 00:09:35.919 Many people found him to be odd. There have been 161 00:09:36.000 --> 00:09:38.960 over the years several claims from other young girls that 162 00:09:39.080 --> 00:09:41.120 Gerry had tried to interfere with them in some way. 163 00:09:41.840 --> 00:09:44.080 When they left that day, it was to walk four 164 00:09:44.159 --> 00:09:47.879 hundred yards granted through boggy ground, you know, with small 165 00:09:47.919 --> 00:09:50.759 copses of trees dotted around, But he isn't in the 166 00:09:50.759 --> 00:09:53.480 middle of nowhere. It's more of them all and setting. 167 00:09:54.240 --> 00:09:57.720 If Mary had a fall or damaged herself, eventually the 168 00:09:57.759 --> 00:10:01.399 searchers would have founder and all was fatal, they would 169 00:10:01.399 --> 00:10:04.559 have found a clothes they you know, they usually turn 170 00:10:04.679 --> 00:10:08.120 up even when the body doesn't. Many of our modern 171 00:10:08.120 --> 00:10:11.480 fabrics are made to withstand weather conditions for many years. 172 00:10:11.799 --> 00:10:14.440 And in fact she was wearing Wellington boots and as 173 00:10:14.440 --> 00:10:19.320 you know yourself, they don't degrade. I'm only five years 174 00:10:19.320 --> 00:10:22.600 younger than Mahra and in nineteen ninety seven I was 175 00:10:22.679 --> 00:10:26.240 my family in Cloggerhead, County Love and we would play 176 00:10:26.240 --> 00:10:28.559 for hours on end on the moorland, in the woods 177 00:10:28.600 --> 00:10:32.799 and in the streams, never thinking about danger from anyone. 178 00:10:34.519 --> 00:10:37.679 Marraor if you're out there last still wandering that more 179 00:10:37.720 --> 00:10:41.960 in peat bogs. One to your loved ones, it's time. 180 00:10:43.600 --> 00:10:47.039 My father's name at birth was Thomas Alan Jones, but 181 00:10:47.120 --> 00:10:49.720 that was not the name he was given legally. And 182 00:10:49.759 --> 00:10:52.519 it's a whole podcast on its own, but I now 183 00:10:52.600 --> 00:10:56.759 know I'm connected by DNA to the Jones family of Pennyfang, 184 00:10:57.360 --> 00:11:00.399 a beautiful era in the Welsh Mountains that in some 185 00:11:00.480 --> 00:11:03.279 places he's still the same today as it's always been. 186 00:11:04.559 --> 00:11:07.200 One case from the area who has never been sold 187 00:11:07.279 --> 00:11:09.799 and he's still a mystery to this day is the 188 00:11:09.799 --> 00:11:14.799 case of Tommy Jones. And just like Mary Boyle, Tommy 189 00:11:14.879 --> 00:11:18.320 was visiting his grandparents on the day that he disappeared. 190 00:11:19.159 --> 00:11:22.639 Little Tommy Jones was a minor son who went missing 191 00:11:22.840 --> 00:11:26.320 in the summer of nineteen hundred. His case shot the 192 00:11:26.440 --> 00:11:29.240 entire community, which has never had the case of a 193 00:11:29.279 --> 00:11:33.200 mission child in its history. William Jones, Tommy's father, was 194 00:11:33.240 --> 00:11:36.039 taking him to visit his grandparents, who worked on a 195 00:11:36.120 --> 00:11:40.080 farm close to Penny Farm, the highest speaking South Wales. 196 00:11:40.720 --> 00:11:43.639 So father and son set out on the Warmargas day 197 00:11:43.679 --> 00:11:46.919 and took the train to Brecon, arriving about six pm. 198 00:11:47.240 --> 00:11:49.759 From there, they had to walk four miles to reach 199 00:11:49.799 --> 00:11:52.399 the little farmhouse because it was deep in the valley. 200 00:11:53.720 --> 00:11:57.519 By about eight o'clock they'd reached the locking, which today 201 00:11:57.799 --> 00:12:01.039 is in ruins. It was a soldier encampment and there 202 00:12:01.080 --> 00:12:02.960 was a rifle range a bit further up the valley. 203 00:12:03.480 --> 00:12:05.759 It had been a warm walk and they only had 204 00:12:05.799 --> 00:12:09.279 about a quarter of a mile ago, so William stopped 205 00:12:09.320 --> 00:12:11.960 to buy some refreshment and to get Tommy a penny. 206 00:12:11.960 --> 00:12:14.799 With the biscuits he could buy things then back at 207 00:12:14.799 --> 00:12:18.120 the canty. By chance, within a few minutes, his dad 208 00:12:18.200 --> 00:12:23.240 arrived and along with Tommy's thirteen year old cousin Willie 209 00:12:23.279 --> 00:12:26.240 John and Willie was sent back to the farmhouse to 210 00:12:26.320 --> 00:12:28.919 let them know that Tommy and William were on their 211 00:12:28.960 --> 00:12:33.080 way and that they would be there sharply. So Willie 212 00:12:33.120 --> 00:12:36.440 set off and Tommy set off after him. The two 213 00:12:36.480 --> 00:12:40.080 boys had across two rough plank bridges, one of which 214 00:12:40.320 --> 00:12:44.159 was without a handrail. The failing light, the streams and 215 00:12:44.200 --> 00:12:46.919 trees were perhaps right into a small boy, we know, 216 00:12:47.039 --> 00:12:51.360 we could conjecture who grew up in a closely packed town. 217 00:12:51.960 --> 00:12:54.240 He may have been afraid, you know, for other reasons 218 00:12:54.279 --> 00:12:56.600 unknown to us. Because when the two of them had 219 00:12:56.600 --> 00:13:00.360 got about halfway to their destination, Tommy was said to 220 00:13:00.399 --> 00:13:04.440 have turned back. When asked, Willie said, Tommy started to 221 00:13:04.480 --> 00:13:06.440 cry and he wanted to go back to his father. 222 00:13:07.279 --> 00:13:09.559 So the two boys parted ways. At the bridge. 223 00:13:10.879 --> 00:13:12.759 Willie completed his errand he said. 224 00:13:12.559 --> 00:13:14.440 And then he went back to camp in about a 225 00:13:14.480 --> 00:13:17.519 quarter of an hour of leaving with Tommy, but Tommy 226 00:13:17.600 --> 00:13:22.440 never returned. People started to search, and they searched all night, 227 00:13:22.600 --> 00:13:25.120 and at three o'clock in the morning they had to stop, 228 00:13:25.600 --> 00:13:28.960 and then on daylight they started again. Police and the 229 00:13:29.000 --> 00:13:32.240 general public joined in, and the net spread wider, but 230 00:13:32.279 --> 00:13:34.559 no sign of the boy was discovered, and there was 231 00:13:34.600 --> 00:13:39.679 no sign of him or his clothing. Every day, search 232 00:13:39.759 --> 00:13:44.080 parties of police, troops, and farmers and other volunteers combed 233 00:13:44.240 --> 00:13:49.480 the area systematically. It seemed more probable that Tommy had 234 00:13:49.519 --> 00:13:51.960 fallen off one of the foot bridges into the stream, 235 00:13:52.480 --> 00:13:55.240 or had simply wandered straight down the valley and taken 236 00:13:55.279 --> 00:13:59.799 a wrong turn. Then the story took a strange turn, 237 00:14:00.679 --> 00:14:03.840 and missus Hamer, a gardener's wife at Castle at Dark, 238 00:14:04.279 --> 00:14:07.240 north of Brecon, is said to have dreamt of the 239 00:14:07.360 --> 00:14:10.679 very spot where Tommy was to be found. She'd spent 240 00:14:10.720 --> 00:14:13.639 a couple of restless days and she admired her husband 241 00:14:13.639 --> 00:14:15.600 to take her there, and he didn't want it. He 242 00:14:15.639 --> 00:14:18.759 didn't believe that they'd succeed where so many others had failed. 243 00:14:19.320 --> 00:14:22.559 But after consistent neither and he gave in, and later 244 00:14:22.600 --> 00:14:25.600 that day he was able to lay claim to the reward. 245 00:14:26.600 --> 00:14:29.279 As he reached the top of the ridge immediately above 246 00:14:29.360 --> 00:14:33.320 the lake. They were making their way towards the peaks 247 00:14:33.399 --> 00:14:37.039 across them open ground, when suddenly mister Hamer, who was 248 00:14:37.080 --> 00:14:39.960 a few yards in front of the others, started back 249 00:14:40.120 --> 00:14:43.600 with an explanation of horror, and there in the path 250 00:14:43.679 --> 00:14:46.600 lay the remains of the small boy's body. It was 251 00:14:46.639 --> 00:14:50.919 identified and brought down the same day. At the inquest 252 00:14:51.279 --> 00:14:54.039 on the Tuesday, the jury had no difficulty in bringing 253 00:14:54.080 --> 00:14:58.679 a verdice of death through exhaustion and exposure, but no 254 00:14:58.720 --> 00:15:01.600 one managed to explain how the little five year old 255 00:15:02.039 --> 00:15:05.480 shortened out for his age. Tired and hungry after a 256 00:15:05.519 --> 00:15:08.480 long day traveling, I had managed to reach the spot 257 00:15:08.759 --> 00:15:12.320 where his body was found. It was six hundred and 258 00:15:12.480 --> 00:15:16.759 eighty six meters above sea level, a climb of about 259 00:15:16.799 --> 00:15:20.360 four hundred meters from the locking at least two miles 260 00:15:20.480 --> 00:15:25.279 over difficult ground, probably in the dark. His poor father 261 00:15:25.559 --> 00:15:27.879 must have passed within a dozen yards of that body 262 00:15:28.159 --> 00:15:30.559 a few days before it was discovered, as they had 263 00:15:30.639 --> 00:15:35.720 searched that area then. Today the spot where Tommy's body 264 00:15:35.799 --> 00:15:38.879 was found is marked by an obelisk and the drawers 265 00:15:38.919 --> 00:15:44.000 at the inquest pub the money together, and mister Hamer 266 00:15:44.120 --> 00:15:46.519 gave some of the reward money so that they could 267 00:15:46.519 --> 00:15:51.679 build this monument to Tommy. I did notice the serendipity 268 00:15:51.759 --> 00:15:55.039 in these two cases. Both children are around six years 269 00:15:55.080 --> 00:15:57.840 old when they vanished. In fact, they were both about 270 00:15:57.840 --> 00:16:01.279 to be seven. They were both visiting the grandparents in 271 00:16:01.320 --> 00:16:07.000 a rural location, and something I find significant is that 272 00:16:07.039 --> 00:16:10.399 they both vanished within four hundred yards of other people 273 00:16:11.039 --> 00:16:13.919 in areas not busy with foot track of making crowds. 274 00:16:14.559 --> 00:16:19.039 To say they vanished in broad daylight is not an overstatement. 275 00:16:20.679 --> 00:16:24.279 Now let's look at possible suspects, and the first suspect 276 00:16:24.399 --> 00:16:28.159 I suppose is wille who is Tommy's older cousin. Just 277 00:16:28.320 --> 00:16:31.440 like Mary and Jerry, Tommy left with a family member 278 00:16:31.840 --> 00:16:35.360 and was gone for around ten to fifteen minutes, both 279 00:16:35.399 --> 00:16:38.000 saying the child had turned back around and headed back 280 00:16:38.039 --> 00:16:41.919 the way they came. Both children were unfamiliar to the area, 281 00:16:42.000 --> 00:16:44.120 so it just seemed lax of Willie not to have 282 00:16:44.200 --> 00:16:47.600 taken Tommy back to his father and his grandfather. Was 283 00:16:47.600 --> 00:16:50.919 there an argument or a spark? Did Tommy fall by 284 00:16:50.960 --> 00:16:54.919 accident only to be found almost seven hundred feet uphill 285 00:16:55.320 --> 00:16:58.240 on a rocky terrain. I don't think will he had 286 00:16:58.279 --> 00:17:01.120 time to harm Tommy him up hill and be back 287 00:17:01.120 --> 00:17:03.840 at the lock and within a short space of time, 288 00:17:05.079 --> 00:17:06.960 and we'd have to look at a lone stranger on 289 00:17:07.039 --> 00:17:10.079 the hill or the soldiers from the camp we came 290 00:17:10.119 --> 00:17:12.519 across the bar as they were heading back down hill. 291 00:17:12.559 --> 00:17:17.240 Maybe this does seem to be a possibility, as I 292 00:17:17.240 --> 00:17:20.559 don't believe Tommy could have made that climb alone without 293 00:17:20.599 --> 00:17:24.160 showing some signs of damage from the climb, you know, 294 00:17:24.319 --> 00:17:27.000 like scraps and scrapes on his skin or his clothing 295 00:17:27.440 --> 00:17:29.640 as he made his way up through the shrubs and 296 00:17:29.799 --> 00:17:34.640 bracken mongst, the rocks and the stones. Now made me 297 00:17:34.680 --> 00:17:37.920 out on this one. What about mister and missus Hamer. 298 00:17:39.039 --> 00:17:42.440 Did the woman who killed him pretend to have a 299 00:17:42.440 --> 00:17:45.480 psychic dream so that she could find the body and 300 00:17:45.480 --> 00:17:48.799 then claim the reward was his cheeky to one? And 301 00:17:48.920 --> 00:17:51.720 mister Hamer did she want it for her own child 302 00:17:51.839 --> 00:17:54.440 and he died in the struggle back to a cottage? 303 00:17:55.440 --> 00:17:58.240 How does she know Tommy was up above the lake 304 00:17:58.359 --> 00:18:04.720 in an area which were made sadly, like the disappearance 305 00:18:04.720 --> 00:18:07.960 of Mary Boyle, we may never have an answer about 306 00:18:07.960 --> 00:18:10.759 what happened to Tommy that day, and no doubt it 307 00:18:10.839 --> 00:18:13.200 is still very much held in the hearts of the 308 00:18:13.240 --> 00:18:14.599 people who loved him. 309 00:18:15.079 --> 00:18:16.440 Then and now. 310 00:18:17.880 --> 00:18:21.920 Tommy, if you're still out there wandering those rocky crags, 311 00:18:22.000 --> 00:18:23.559 it's time the head of pale home. 312 00:18:23.640 --> 00:18:26.160 So follow the son till you get there. 313 00:18:27.319 --> 00:18:29.599 No, I'm going to take us to Scotland and to 314 00:18:29.680 --> 00:18:33.359 another child who was visiting his grandparents one day when 315 00:18:33.400 --> 00:18:37.720 he went missing. And that's the case of Sandy Jardine Davidson. 316 00:18:38.559 --> 00:18:42.720 Sandy disappeared on the twenty third of April nineteen seventy six, 317 00:18:43.119 --> 00:18:45.599 when he was three years old, whilst playing in the 318 00:18:45.640 --> 00:18:49.400 back garden with his younger sister, Donna. The children were 319 00:18:49.440 --> 00:18:51.960 in the care of the grandmother who lived in the 320 00:18:52.039 --> 00:18:55.880 Bawtry Hill area. The children were playing with the family dog, 321 00:18:55.960 --> 00:18:58.039 kissing that was still even a puppy at the time. 322 00:18:58.640 --> 00:19:01.440 The puppy ran off and the children followed to look 323 00:19:01.480 --> 00:19:05.559 for it. When the dog returned home with Donna but 324 00:19:05.680 --> 00:19:10.960 without Sandy, the children's grandmother raised the alarm. Sandy's father said, 325 00:19:11.480 --> 00:19:14.319 the years have passed like minutes since my son chased 326 00:19:14.319 --> 00:19:17.119 the family dog down with Granny's gate almost forty years 327 00:19:17.160 --> 00:19:20.200 ago now and vanished. It was just a fIF A 328 00:19:20.400 --> 00:19:23.680 space ship came down, took him up and took him away. 329 00:19:24.519 --> 00:19:27.599 I think about Sandy all the time. The children went 330 00:19:27.640 --> 00:19:30.039 out after the dog, and only Donner and kiss he 331 00:19:30.160 --> 00:19:35.559 came back. Andy's nickname was Sheepskin because he had this massive, blonde, 332 00:19:35.680 --> 00:19:38.480 curly hair. It looked like a sheepskin rug. He was 333 00:19:38.480 --> 00:19:41.440 a lively wee thing. It was only a year between 334 00:19:41.519 --> 00:19:43.799 him and his wee sister and they always got on 335 00:19:43.839 --> 00:19:46.880 well together. I think about the things I've missed out 336 00:19:46.880 --> 00:19:49.160 on with him. I never got to take him to 337 00:19:49.200 --> 00:19:53.279 football or anything like that. He was named after Sandy Jardine. 338 00:19:53.319 --> 00:19:55.720 He was my hero. He was coming up to his 339 00:19:55.799 --> 00:19:59.279 fourth birthday when he vanished. My mother and father in 340 00:19:59.359 --> 00:20:01.680 law lived two doors down from us, and we dropped 341 00:20:01.680 --> 00:20:04.279 Sandy and Donner off there. They were playing in the 342 00:20:04.279 --> 00:20:06.839 garden with the dog and the gate was open. Somehow 343 00:20:07.359 --> 00:20:09.880 Sandy went out after the dog and never came back. 344 00:20:10.640 --> 00:20:13.400 I was working laying the road for the motorway. My 345 00:20:13.480 --> 00:20:15.799 brother in law came over and said he needs to 346 00:20:15.839 --> 00:20:19.440 come home. Sandy's gone missing. I just dropped everything and run. 347 00:20:20.240 --> 00:20:24.039 We were all up all night trying to find him. 348 00:20:24.400 --> 00:20:26.680 You never think something like this will come to your door. 349 00:20:27.359 --> 00:20:31.960 It was terrible. We searched for years all around Irvine. 350 00:20:32.319 --> 00:20:35.440 We just couldn't let it go. Over the years, various 351 00:20:35.440 --> 00:20:38.400 appeals have been made and numerous bits of information have 352 00:20:38.519 --> 00:20:41.519 been passed to the police. A neighbor working in his 353 00:20:41.599 --> 00:20:44.400 garden at the time told officers that he saw Sander 354 00:20:44.559 --> 00:20:47.240 leaving in a car with a strange man, but the 355 00:20:47.279 --> 00:20:49.839 boy didn't seem distressed, so he thought nothing of it. 356 00:20:50.880 --> 00:20:54.200 But despite other new witnesses coming forward over the years, 357 00:20:54.559 --> 00:20:57.519 Flinny's family had never been told anything concrete about what 358 00:20:57.559 --> 00:21:00.720 happened to their boy, and that's the hardest thing for 359 00:21:00.759 --> 00:21:04.359 them to hear. Phil said, you don't get over something 360 00:21:04.440 --> 00:21:08.240 like this. It's the not knowing. We have no idea what. 361 00:21:08.279 --> 00:21:09.359 Happened that there. 362 00:21:09.400 --> 00:21:13.160 He's coming back, and in some ways, after forty years, 363 00:21:13.480 --> 00:21:16.960 you almost give up, but at the same time you 364 00:21:17.079 --> 00:21:17.720 can't help. 365 00:21:17.759 --> 00:21:18.480 But hope. 366 00:21:19.039 --> 00:21:22.039 I'd give anything to see him again. If Sandy was 367 00:21:22.079 --> 00:21:24.480 to walk through that door, I'd be the happiest man 368 00:21:24.519 --> 00:21:28.559 in the world. It's a long long time ago. He's 369 00:21:28.599 --> 00:21:34.839 not forty four to me. He will always before now 370 00:21:35.000 --> 00:21:37.519 possible suspects. We have to look first at the family, 371 00:21:38.160 --> 00:21:40.000 and this will be a hard one for some people 372 00:21:40.039 --> 00:21:43.920 to digest. But we've got to question Sandy's grandmother to 373 00:21:44.000 --> 00:21:47.480 see what details that she could provide. Why were the 374 00:21:47.599 --> 00:21:51.160 children playing unattended that day? How long was it before 375 00:21:51.160 --> 00:21:54.440 she noticed Stanley was missing? Had there been an incident 376 00:21:54.480 --> 00:21:57.000 at the home that was covered up and the dog 377 00:21:57.119 --> 00:22:01.640 story was used to explain Sandy's disappearing us But then 378 00:22:01.640 --> 00:22:03.960 we'd have to ask how the grandmother could have hidden 379 00:22:03.960 --> 00:22:07.240 Sandy for all of these years. You know, I think 380 00:22:07.279 --> 00:22:10.200 we need to reinterview the neighbor who said he saw 381 00:22:10.319 --> 00:22:11.920 Sandy with a strange. 382 00:22:11.440 --> 00:22:12.759 Man getting into a car. 383 00:22:13.400 --> 00:22:15.720 He wouldn't be the first neighbor, a family friend who 384 00:22:15.799 --> 00:22:18.440 was a child and beeknownst to the parents, he had 385 00:22:18.440 --> 00:22:21.799 ample opportunity. He lived close to the home the children 386 00:22:21.799 --> 00:22:24.920 were visiting. But I'm und shure what his motives was. 387 00:22:25.039 --> 00:22:27.559 I don't know anything about the man, you know, whether 388 00:22:27.599 --> 00:22:29.039 he's known to the police. 389 00:22:28.759 --> 00:22:29.559 Or not at the time. 390 00:22:30.359 --> 00:22:33.960 In our modern age, we are aware there are children 391 00:22:34.799 --> 00:22:38.160 out there that can be attacked by preducers in the street, 392 00:22:38.640 --> 00:22:42.359 but it's very different in the seventies, and many child 393 00:22:42.400 --> 00:22:47.079 abductions are carried out by a neighbor. We'd have to 394 00:22:47.119 --> 00:22:50.440 look at a long stranger like Robert Black again, who 395 00:22:50.559 --> 00:22:53.640 traveled the country in his van, who happened upon the 396 00:22:53.720 --> 00:22:56.640 children as they played. He'd he offer to help Sandy 397 00:22:56.680 --> 00:22:59.559 find his dog. You know, God's son. 398 00:22:59.680 --> 00:22:59.880 Jump. 399 00:23:00.359 --> 00:23:02.240 I'll take you to wear us are. It's just up 400 00:23:02.279 --> 00:23:04.839 the lane and I'll bring you back where you up. 401 00:23:04.920 --> 00:23:07.440