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<v Speaker 1>We know our own team, but certain teams, if they

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<v Speaker 1>don't have a face, who's the pirate's face?

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<v Speaker 2>Cabrian Hayes, Oh, you'll probably Paul Skeens. To your point,

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<v Speaker 2>he's not an everyday player.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, O'Neil Cruz.

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<v Speaker 1>Let me ask you this, when you and your buddies

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<v Speaker 1>talk about Trek Skooble, has anyone ever described him as

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<v Speaker 1>the Tigers' best player or do they describe him as

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<v Speaker 1>the league's best pitcher.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's more so a big picture thing.

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<v Speaker 2>And yeah, when you're talking about everyday players, obviously he's

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<v Speaker 2>not even eligible for that. So he comes up in

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<v Speaker 2>conversation a lot. But when you talk about best player,

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<v Speaker 2>it's usually Riley Green is what people say.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, can a guy be I've asked this question of

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<v Speaker 1>pictures in the past, and you know the answer you're

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<v Speaker 1>going to be you're going to get. I should say,

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<v Speaker 1>if a guy only does one thing, but he does

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<v Speaker 1>it at the highest level, compared to a guy who

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<v Speaker 1>does a lot of different things, well the guy who

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<v Speaker 1>is just singularly great at one thing be your team's

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<v Speaker 1>best player.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know that's a good question, because in football

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<v Speaker 2>you'd say maybe the quarterback can be your best player.

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<v Speaker 2>Like who's the Chief's best player. It's probably Patrick Mahomes, right,

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<v Speaker 2>And he's one thing though, Yeah he's a dual threat quarterback.

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<v Speaker 2>But I guess my point is just he's he plays

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<v Speaker 2>one position. He does, he has one responsibility.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think, yeah, it's a good point. I think

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<v Speaker 1>in football, everybody's playing just one position except Travis Hunter. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean maybe you'll have a special teams guy, but

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<v Speaker 1>let's be honest, quarterbacks, they're not. No one's George Blanda

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<v Speaker 1>who also kicked and was a quarterback, So no one's

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<v Speaker 1>doing that stuff anymore. So let's be careful there. But

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<v Speaker 1>when it comes to football, I mean, look, Penny Suwle

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<v Speaker 1>is ranked as the best player on the team. He

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<v Speaker 1>run blocks, he pass protects, I know, he runs over

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<v Speaker 1>bassorship It's funny, can you be your best player? I

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<v Speaker 1>think in football because everybody does basically does the one thing,

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<v Speaker 1>unless it's a punter or a kicker. Because if you're

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<v Speaker 1>a defensive player, you're you're tackling, you're intercepting, you're stripping

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<v Speaker 1>the ball. There's a lot of different things that you're doing.

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<v Speaker 1>You may play one position that doesn't mean you only

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<v Speaker 1>do one thing. In baseball, you play the one position pitching,

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<v Speaker 1>You're only doing the one thing. Now, you may be

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<v Speaker 1>fielding your position, granted, but you're doing the one thing,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's pitching.

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<v Speaker 4>Same with a d H on the other side, right.

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<v Speaker 1>You're only hitting. On the other hand, when you when

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<v Speaker 1>you see certain other sports or certain other if a

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<v Speaker 1>team stinks and their best player is the pitcher, how

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<v Speaker 1>do you deny that? Like I've told you the story

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<v Speaker 1>about Steve Carleton. Remember Steve Carleton arguably the best lefty

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<v Speaker 1>of my youth. It's a phenomenal player, all right. The

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<v Speaker 1>Hall of Famer won four cy Youngs. All right, he

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<v Speaker 1>won twenty seven games in nineteen seventy two. He won

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<v Speaker 1>the Cy Young in nineteen seventy two. He was twenty

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<v Speaker 1>seven and ten. His team that year was awful. They

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<v Speaker 1>won like fifty plus games. So can he be their

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<v Speaker 1>best player on a crappy team like that? Can he

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<v Speaker 1>be their best player? Who else would it be?

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<v Speaker 4>Well?

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<v Speaker 2>And that the modern example of that is Paul Skins

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<v Speaker 2>for the Pirates.

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<v Speaker 1>That's that's the long way around where I'm getting, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>team won fifty nine games in nineteen seventy two. That

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<v Speaker 1>dude won twenty seven of them.

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<v Speaker 3>Think about that for a minute.

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<v Speaker 4>He's doing his fair share.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, can Paul Skeens be part of that? I mean

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<v Speaker 1>that team had Larry Boa, Greg Lozinski. They had a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of good players on their team, but they weren't

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<v Speaker 1>good enough. Tim McCarver was the catcher on that team,

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<v Speaker 1>the same guy who won a World Series in nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>sixty eight with the Saint Lewis Cardinals.

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<v Speaker 3>You know what, Mike Schmidt was on that team. He

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<v Speaker 3>was a rookie.

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<v Speaker 1>I think he only had a handful of games. But

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<v Speaker 1>Mike Schmidt was on that team. So would you say

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<v Speaker 1>now later on in life, you'd take Mike Schmid, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>because Hall of Fame third basement one of the best

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<v Speaker 1>third basement of all time, arguably the best third basement

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<v Speaker 1>of all of them. But that year he was the

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<v Speaker 1>best player for the Philadelphia Phillies. To your point, Paul Skeens, Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>Trek Schoolbell. Pretty hard to say that on a team

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<v Speaker 1>that is the best has the best record in baseball,

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<v Speaker 1>don't you think.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, you could say the most dominant player, but that

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<v Speaker 2>might be more of pitcher centric.

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<v Speaker 4>Does that make sense?

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<v Speaker 2>Like, if you are one of the best teams in baseball,

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<v Speaker 2>possibly the best team in baseball, you got the best record,

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<v Speaker 2>then of course you're gonna have some great players in

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<v Speaker 2>the field.

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<v Speaker 3>At what he does. He's the best at what he does.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, Like Riley Green may not be the best home

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<v Speaker 1>run hitter, may not be the best hitter, may not

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<v Speaker 1>be the best fielder, but all together he is.

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<v Speaker 4>He's their best all.

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<v Speaker 1>Those Yeah, he's your best all around player. Tarrek Scouoble

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<v Speaker 1>is the best Tiger at what he does, Which does

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<v Speaker 1>that mean he's the best player on the team. To me,

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<v Speaker 1>that does not compute well.

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<v Speaker 2>So, Chef, I like to think about it does make sense,

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<v Speaker 2>And I like to think about this in video game terms,

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<v Speaker 2>because you play these video games and they have certain

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<v Speaker 2>ratings for everyone's ability at every given thing. Right, So

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<v Speaker 2>Riley Green might have the best well rounded overall score.

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<v Speaker 2>But Tarrek scouble is a plus at throwing strikes, He's

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<v Speaker 2>a plus with armed velocity and all this kind of stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>And so to your point, he's the best at what

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<v Speaker 2>he does. But Riley Green across the board probably has

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<v Speaker 2>the better score. Obviously, Sterrek School's not hitting. Yeah, he's

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<v Speaker 2>not hitting. He's not fielding as well, all that stuff, right,

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<v Speaker 2>it all comes into play.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if wins above replacement is the great

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<v Speaker 1>equalizer in this conversation.

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<v Speaker 3>It could be Terrek Schooble's War is.

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<v Speaker 1>Three point nine, Riley Green's is two point seven.

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<v Speaker 2>I do think war is a fair stat to look at, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>because that doesn't matter what your position is for war, right.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right, absolutely right, So that therein lies right there,

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<v Speaker 1>probably the end of the argument that he can be.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, if you look at War for the Pirates

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<v Speaker 1>Paul's I mean, I don't know if people realize that

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<v Speaker 1>Paul Skean's got a better war than Terrek Schouble. Paul

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<v Speaker 1>Skeens's War is four point one to Terrek School is

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<v Speaker 1>three point nine. We're splitting hairs here, Okay, Paul skeins

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<v Speaker 1>is four and seven. Terrek School just won his tenth

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<v Speaker 1>consecutive decision. So that's why wins oftentimes in baseball.

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<v Speaker 4>For misleading, very misleading.

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<v Speaker 2>We talked about it, Paul Skeens, I think it was

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<v Speaker 2>three or four starts ago for him. But the Pirates

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<v Speaker 2>lost one. Nothing great.

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<v Speaker 1>We talked about the number of times his team has

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<v Speaker 1>he's had to deal with in his career. We talked

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<v Speaker 1>about this two weeks ago, in his career, how many

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<v Speaker 1>times he's been supported by one run or less, how

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<v Speaker 1>he's walked off the mound giving up just one run

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<v Speaker 1>and he ends up taking a loss or a no decision.

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<v Speaker 1>That to me is the amount, the percentage is. It's

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<v Speaker 1>super high. I forget the exact number right now, but

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<v Speaker 1>that's I mean, it's super high. Paul Skeins with that

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<v Speaker 1>war at four point one, so put it in perspective.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll put it in perspective for you, okay. Aaron Judge's

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<v Speaker 1>war is five point nine. Paul Skeenes's war is the

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<v Speaker 1>equivalent to that of Kyle Tucker, and Kyle Tucker right

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<v Speaker 1>now is fifth in all of baseball in wins above replacement.

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<v Speaker 1>The only players better Aaron Judge, Jeremy Pania, who just

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<v Speaker 1>got hurt, Cal Rally, who's got thirty two homers. Only

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<v Speaker 1>Ken Griffy Junior has more in Seattle history prior to

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<v Speaker 1>the All Star Break, and Pete Crow Armstrong. Those are

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<v Speaker 1>the only players with a higher war than Paul Skeens,

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<v Speaker 1>who are every day play years now, and if you

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<v Speaker 1>look at it from a pitching perspective, he has the

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<v Speaker 1>highest war then it's terrorist school and Max Freed. So

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<v Speaker 1>here's the only thing I would ask you, And I

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<v Speaker 1>think you bring up a really good point, and I

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<v Speaker 1>think it's legitimate if we think he's the best pitcher

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<v Speaker 1>in baseball. I think a lot of people feel that way.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel that way, if we feel like we can

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<v Speaker 1>use that number to prove that he's the best player

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<v Speaker 1>on the Tigers.

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<v Speaker 3>Are you with me so far?

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<v Speaker 4>Yes? I know where you're going with this.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, Then why can he Why is he the best

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<v Speaker 2>pitcher in baseball when his number is not as high

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<v Speaker 2>as Paul.

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<v Speaker 3>Skins exactly exactly.

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<v Speaker 4>And it's a great question, and it's a great point,

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<v Speaker 4>and a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>Of it is probably because he leads the league in

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<v Speaker 1>strikeouts and strikeouts per nine and so on and so forth.

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<v Speaker 2>And he wins games, and a lot of that has

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<v Speaker 2>to do with how good your team is.

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<v Speaker 1>But right or wrong, ill, my apologies, he doesn't lead

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<v Speaker 1>the league in strikeouts per nine. Mackenzie Gordon, All Nice,

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<v Speaker 1>Dylan Cees, Chris Saals, Zach Wheeler all higher strikeouts per

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<v Speaker 1>night doesn't make them better. I'm just saying, I'm just

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<v Speaker 1>trying to give you facts here, but that's what we do.

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<v Speaker 1>I think a lot of it, too, is the walk factor,

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<v Speaker 1>the strikeout to walk. He's got one hundred and thirty

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<v Speaker 1>eight strikeouts, he's got fourteen walks. He walked his fourteenth

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<v Speaker 1>batter of the year last night. No one's really close.

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<v Speaker 1>It's crazy how he is around the zone, challenging batters

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<v Speaker 1>and just saying, I dare you because I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>you can. And we can all understand that. It's just

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<v Speaker 1>a different way to look at it, and I think

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<v Speaker 1>it's an important way to look at it.