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of there. I was done. I wasn't dealing with them.

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it turned and looked at us.

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Speaker 1: And one of the things I remember the most where

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the eyes were going red. I see an orb of light.

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It is just circling these steps like it is waiting

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for me.

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Speaker 3: And he begins to tell them that he saw UFO.

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Speaker 1: They're basically like, what are you talking about. That's seven

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foot up on a tree, peeking around it, and that's

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where I saw.

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Speaker 3: The top of the muzzle, nose and the eyes.

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Speaker 2: As soon as I made eye contact with this thing,

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to ten Foil Tells. I'm your host, Brandon Wright.

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To night's episode. We're gonna be joined by my guest Nick.

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Nick is from Almost Cannon Podcast. He reached out to

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me a while back about coming on the show, so

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looking forward to talking with him before we bring him on.

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so sit back, relax, and enjoy the show. I like

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to take this time and welcome my guest tonight. Nick.

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Thanks for coming out here and talk with me tonight.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: Would you like to let the audience know a little

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bit about yourself?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Sure. I have a podcast called Almost Cannon. I

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live up here in Vermont in the North Country, in

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the middle of nowhere. I mean, other than that, I

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really kind of been digging into the paranormal ever since

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I was a kid. Really, I mean just fascinated me

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ever since I was really little.

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Speaker 1: So the name almost Cannon is a play on the

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whole Nick Cannon thing. That's how I thought it was

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when I saw your name.

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Speaker 3: Oh no, it's actually a name my old co host

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picked out. Ah, but he's not around anymore. So it's

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kind of like, you know, the cannon is the official story, right, right,

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Speaker 1: I figured that's what it was, But with your name

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being Nick and then it was almost Cannons, Like, is

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this supposed to be like almost Cannon, like the lore

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like almost real or almost Nick Cannon?

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Speaker 3: No, I wish right, No, you have like eight hundred kids,

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I know, that's what I've heard. I don't really.

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Speaker 1: That's a conspiracy in itself. How many kids Nick Cannon

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actually have? But no, how long have you been doing

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Speaker 2: Uh?

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Speaker 3: Year and a half maybe something like that a little while.

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so the two year Anniverse it was a little over

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a month ago. Oh nice.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's nice to like, you know, stick through it

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and get it out there. Is definitely fun, I guess,

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and have an outlet for all this stuff, crazy stuff

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's definitely a lot of stuff going on, and

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for some reason, I just seem to always be able

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do that anymore, I'll keep at it. Right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm a postal driver, so I deliver, you know,

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a rural postal driver. So I'm driving all day long,

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like ninety miles a day, and I listened, you know,

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I just listened to podcasts all day long.

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Speaker 1: So that is I used to drive for work, and

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it'll probably pick back up, but for work purposes. The

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and from. So that was a good hour and a

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Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, it does take up a lot of time.

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you're talking about how many episodes and stuff like I do.

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it's all I do is you know, research, editing, recording,

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and that's just one episod.

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Speaker 3: Oh? Yeah, you know, ton all the time. It's about

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more time to do research. But I mean, I'd like

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to get into all this stuff. There's some crazy shit

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we allowed to swear on here.

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or legend or story or whatever there is, you know

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something of the truth, and that you can dig into

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history and find you know, that kernel of whatever it is.

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research here and there, but like, I don't actually have

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the opportunities to do as much as I want, just because,

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like we talk about, I have full time job, married,

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early children. There's just not enough time. Right, So there's

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a lot of things I would like to do. Like

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air for so I guess for anyone listening, I'm looking

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into doing actual, physical, real life investigations on certain cryptid

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activity within my driving distances. Right, But I've got a

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couple of people lined up that were actually going to

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film it. So it's not just me going to go

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out there in the woods and hopefully get attacked by

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a bigfoot, but or at least try and document me

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being attacked by a bigfoot. Right, I might not live,

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but will be least famous for the guy that caught

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bigfoot killing him.

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as an episode itself. But I went to I was

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paranormal stuff, and that was not really anything that I

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thought was extravagant. And that was probably fifteen plus years ago.

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obviously everyone's dumbe when you're a teenager, I think cemeteries

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are haunted. But we did stuff like that before there

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was like, we didn't have that shit on TV. So

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or twice before in the winter the last fifteen years

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with people that are supposed to be ghost hunters. Right,

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I don't think anything will happen, but you never know.

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see anything, but I'm pretty sure that whatever was up there,

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a parent or you know, an older one behind it

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younger one. It was. It was pretty nerve wracking.

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Speaker 1: I mean, were you like on the tree stand or something.

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Speaker 3: No, I was. I was walking, you know, I was

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walking to the hunting location. So my grandparents, my family,

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the summit. You know, we walk up this road.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 3: We do a lot of maple sugaring up there. So

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this road is like we walk on all the time.

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other hunter that ever, that I've ever seen up there,

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like this is my grandparents' land. This is the only

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other guy that hunts this location. He was coming down

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out of the woods and he looked really I could

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how's the hunting. He was like, oh, man, I was

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of nowhere and jumped over the top of me and

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sound like a turkey, so it didn't sound exactly like

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a turkey. And as I kept going up to hill,

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the turkey sound, the turkey call kind of devolved into

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more of a growl. You know. The closer I got

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to where the sound was coming from, the more it

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changed from a turkey to a growl. And then I

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got pretty much, you know, probably twenty yards from where

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the sound was coming from, and I couldn't see anything

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it was. Whatever it was was in like this thicket

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of really there were like saplings, but there were so

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many saplings it was so thick I couldn't see through it.

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Whatever it was in, whatever was there was was behind

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this you know, growth of trees, and it had turned

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into a full growl at this point, you know, and

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me when he was like ten years old or something.

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So I'm like, dude, we got you gotta stop, we

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gotta stop whenever. You know. I was really starting to

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get creeped out and we were hunting, so I had

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my rifle, my side arm. I was loaded, like you know,

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something was was to jump out at us. We would

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have I should you know, I shouldn't have been afraid.

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And it was doing this growling sound. And then from

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behind me I heard four tree knocks. Now I had

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never thought I always thought tree knocks were just something,

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you know, we're a joke. It was something that you'd

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hear on uh, finding bigfoot or something. You know. I

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didn't actually think that this was a real phenomenon. But

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I shit you not. This thing was growling at us,

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and then from behind me it was like boom boom,

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boom boom. And at that point I was just like, okay,

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we gotta leave. We got to get out of here.

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We slowly backed away and left. But I didn't see anything.

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I never saw anything. Right, could have been another hunter

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just messing around with us, but then there would have

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had been two of them, you know. Obviously the tree

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knocks came from behind us somewhere. And if this was

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another hunter, I mean this guy was he was playing

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fast and loose with his life, like I could have

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easily just shut you know, pointed and pulled the trigger.

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And I know people who do that kind of shit,

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you know, like sound shooters. They hear something and they

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kind of just shoot at it. Right now, obviously I

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don't do that. But this guy, if this was a

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person like I could have, you know, he would have

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no idea. He could have just been killed. So I

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do not think it was a person, but it could

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have been in this location. It's on my Graham's property.

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I mean, this is not the only weird thing that

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has happened up there, you know. I've talked to multiple

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family members. Like I said, we do maple sugaring up there.

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People have seen weird things. It seems to only go

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on from like mid to late October to I don't know,

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like March or April, you know, springtime seems to only

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go on in the winter. Really it's strange. But yeah,

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I don't know. I'd never seen I'd never actually seen anything.

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I've had cameras up there, never gotten a picture of

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anything weird, you know, So I don't know. I don't

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know what it was.

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Speaker 1: But the knocking to me, I was going to say

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I had that similar mindset is I don't really think

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the knocking is them trying to communicate. If they do that,

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I've also thought it was strange. You have people that

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are out looking for these supposedly super smart, elusive creatures

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that no one can ever find or take photos of. Yeah,

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we're gonna go out there and scream and holler and

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bang on trees and expect them to be stupid enough

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just wander on up be like, oh hey, what's up, fellow? Like, right,

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I understand it's like a TV show, but like everyone

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tries to emulate that. Well, I say everyone, but a

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lot of people tries to emulate what they see on television.

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And for me, I'm like, you're not gonna find anything

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by doing that, right, You're just allowing that to know

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exactly where you're at now, so it's going to avoid you, right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I mean I have a feeling they can distinguish the

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difference between a person and another whatever a sasquatches.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, no doubt. And I mean, like the tree knocks,

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I don't I don't think it was trying to communicate.

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I honestly, you know, I think it was just trying

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to get my attention away from you know, whatever was

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making the calls. That's what I think it was doing.

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Speaker 1: A bit of distraction, yeah, just trying.

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Speaker 3: To distract me. And I think, like the other dude

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that was up there sitting behind this rock, I think

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whatever was up there spooked that bobcat, you know, and

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that's why it went running off and over him and

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scared him and he left. But he must have been

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up there with whatever else was up there. You know.

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I've never actually talked to the guy to see if

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he experienced anything else that day, because, like when I

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say he was spooked, like he was spooked, like I

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could instantly tell on his face, so he might actually

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seen something else. I don't know. I never even thought

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of of reaching out to him until right now.

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Speaker 1: Well if you ever do, yeah, I'm gonna have to

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let me know what he thinks. But no, far Oh

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is like what you're wanting to talk about here tonight.

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I forget what you said it was, but you mentioned

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it was by the Bridgewater Triangle, and I've had several

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different episodes about that, so it's really there's something strange

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in that whole area. I don't know what it.

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Speaker 3: Is, right, Yeah, the Bennington Triangle, the Triangle. Yeah, a

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lot of people. I feel like a lot of people

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haven't heard of the Banging Triangle. And it's like I said,

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you know, I said earlier, it's it's really not that

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far away from the Bridgewater Triangle, right, It's only like

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a couple I don't know, less than it's like one

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hundred and eighty miles away or something like that, so

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it is fairly close.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't I don't know a whole lot about it.

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Speaker 3: So well, I'll get into that.

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Speaker 1: So for me, I'm just gonna sit here and listen

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and you can take it over.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, perfect. So I'm like, I'm gonna start

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and if there is something that you want to like

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talk about, you know, you can just interrupt me. Because

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I did. I wrote out a bunch of notes. There's

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so much to remember. My memory is totally shot. So

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let's see where I can pick this up from. Uh so, yeah, so,

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like I'm from Vermont, a lot of people haven't necessarily

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I feel like, I, you know, a lot of people

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haven't heard of the Bennington Trigon. I feel like a

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lot of people haven't even heard of Vermont, you know,

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I tell people, I'm from Vermont, and they ask me

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what state that's in, right, like it's a city or something.

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But Vermont is, you know, it's a state. It's one

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of the smaller states. It's up in the northeast.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 3: We were the fourteenth state, so we came in, you know,

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after the We were the first to be added to

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the Union after the you know, original thirteen colonies, and

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the land you know that would become Vermont was was

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pretty much wild frontier until around the seventeen thirties. We

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were kind of fought over by New York and New

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Hampshire for a while, and we played a pretty big

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role in the French and Indian War and even bigger

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role in like the Revolutionary War. You know, we have

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Lake Champlain. A lot of people probably heard of champ

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He's kind of like a lake monster, kind of like

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NeSSI he's from Lake Champlain. So this is you know,

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it's at Lake Champlain, straddles Vermont in upstate New York

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and also played a pretty big role in you know,

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like the Revolutionary Wars. You know, America had its first

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navy on Lake Champlain. This is where you get figures

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like Ethan Allen or Benedict Arnold. You know, they really

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came into prominence here in Vermont. Uh. And as I

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guess as a sort of side note, I don't know

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if you might find this interesting or not, but I,

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like I said, I'm a postal driver and along my

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mail route I randomly came across someone who told me

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this story on how Benedict Arnold is actually buried in

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you know this this unnamed graves. You know, there's this

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grave site in the middle of the woods. They say

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Benedict Arnold's buried there, and and funnily enough, it's it's

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on a product plot of land that was owned by

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Ethan allen Son. So I don't we don't have to

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get into the backstory of everything. But you know, they

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fought together in the Revolutionary War. So I don't know,

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that's the story that they told me. I don't know

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if it's true or not. You know, Benedict Arnold supposedly

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buried in England. But I always found that kind of interesting.

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But I doesn't have anything to do with the Bennington Triangle.

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I just some people might find that interesting.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, you know you had mentioned that this area

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is is kind of there's something going on in this area,

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and I would definitely agree. And I think the most

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notably haunted location or just location for paranori will activity

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in Vermont is the Bennington Triangle, so much like it's

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a lot like the Bermuda Triangle. Like I said, the

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Bridgewater Triangle, it's kind of a geographical location tucked away

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in southwest corner of Vermont. You know. It gets its

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name from this Vermont folklorist and paranormal author named Joseph Sicrow.

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I don't know if you've heard of him or not.

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He's kind of no He writes a lot about New England, really,

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you know, paranormal New England, and he kind of dug

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into the triangles mysteries in the nineteen nineties, so he

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coined the term the Bennington Triangle. Much like other triangles,

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you know, there's no official boundary lines. However, the towns

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of Bennington and Woodford, Shaftesbury, and Somerset kind of make

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up the roughly three hundreds square miles of the triangle,

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with the focal point located around a mountain called Gladston

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Burry Mountain. It's kind of like in the middle of it, right,

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So if you research this area, I'll find the same

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old information over and over again. You know, missing people

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in the forties, there's an old ghost town, man eating rocks,

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sasquatch attacks from you know, the eighteen hundreds, as well

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as your usual UFO and ghost stories and shadow person

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sightings and things like that. And I find that this.

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You know, if you look up podcasts on the Bennington Triangle,

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it's all they usually only focus on. You know, there

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was this spat of missing people, right. But what I find,

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I guess what I find most interesting about the Bennington

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Triangle is that supposedly the four winds meet at the

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mountain summit and the Abenaki. It was this Native American,

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you know, this indigenous tribe that lived in the region

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before the settlers came in. They they claimed that the

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mountain itself was cursed because of these four winds they

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met at the summit. At least that that was the

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official reason that they stated. Now, the land you know

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around the triangle, so you know, Bennington and Glastonbury and

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things like that. You know, it kind of goes back

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to the late seventeen hundreds when this dude named Benning Wentworth.

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He was a governor of New Hampshire. He visited the

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city of Bennington in seventeen sixty one, and he planned

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to write up charters for the mountain region around Bennington,

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you know, and we see in his journal when he

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took this trip, you know, he wanted settlers to move

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out of Bennington and into the land, right and we

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see in his journal that he rode about seeing shadow

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figures in the trees and hearing inhuman screams coming from

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the forest at night. And he, you know, on that

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trip where he provided these charters, he reported all sorts

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of weird stuff happening to him when he was up there. Now,

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the abanaky, like I said, they thought the land was cursed.

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So they warned against the settlers. You know, they told

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him not to go up there if they had to,

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then to stay away from the summit of the mountain,

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which seemed to be the epicenter for you know, the

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mountain's powers. It said that they would only enter the

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woods of Glastonbury to enter their dead other than that

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they would stay away from the mountain. So white settlers

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begin arriving in seventeen ninety one, and I'm gonna try

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to blow through this as quickly as possible. It's kind

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of boring, it's just the history of the triangle, but

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it definitely I think plays a big role in, you know,

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what could be going on up there. So settlers arrived

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in seventeen ninety one. By eighteen ten, there were seventy

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six residents. By the eighteen forties, several families had left,

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leaving only fifty residents. And it wasn't until after the

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Civil War that Gladstonbury saw boom in population. So Bennington

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had become quite wealthy, and due to the boom and industry,

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you know, Gladstonbury saw growth as well. Took several decades,

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00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:31,519
but proper villages were constructed, one called Faysville and the

473
00:26:31,559 --> 00:26:38,079
other called South Glastonbury. So by the eighteen seventies, the

474
00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:44,039
towns on Glassonbury Mountain, mostly South Gladstonbury, were very successful

475
00:26:44,519 --> 00:26:47,640
thanks to the vast amounts of timber that surrounded the village.

476
00:26:48,279 --> 00:26:53,200
So they became charcoal producers and they cut down, you know,

477
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:56,400
they would cut down all these trees. They would create

478
00:26:56,559 --> 00:27:01,000
charcoal which was used to power the iron mill in

479
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:05,960
upstate New York. So eighteen seventy saw the construction of

480
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:08,799
two mills, one in each village, as well as twelve

481
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:12,440
kilns in South Gladstonbury, and by eighteen seventy three a

482
00:27:12,599 --> 00:27:16,960
railway was finished, making transport between Gladstonbury and Bennington much easier.

483
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:20,519
This is where we get our first example of something

484
00:27:20,559 --> 00:27:24,920
weird going on. So in eighteen ninety two, after the

485
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:27,400
majority of the timber had been cut from the mountain,

486
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:30,880
and like I said, I think that plays a pretty

487
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:37,759
key role in unleashing whatever whatever was, you know, laying

488
00:27:38,799 --> 00:27:42,759
semi dormant, I guess you could say. At the time. Anyway,

489
00:27:42,799 --> 00:27:46,000
there was one mill worker, a man named Henry McDowell,

490
00:27:46,519 --> 00:27:49,000
who would end up bashing another worker in the head

491
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:52,000
with a rock, crushing his skull and killing him and instantly,

492
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:54,680
And when asked why he did it, he would tell

493
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:58,400
authorities that the voices from the forest told him to

494
00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:01,319
do it. And you know, he went on the run.

495
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:03,640
He was caught in Connecticut and that's where he admitted

496
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:08,119
to the murder. Henry McDowell. He would end up escaping

497
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:11,039
from the prison asylum he was placed in. It would

498
00:28:11,079 --> 00:28:17,200
never be seen again. So back in Faysville and South Gladstonbury,

499
00:28:17,319 --> 00:28:23,279
their lucrative charcoal business kind of came to an end

500
00:28:23,799 --> 00:28:28,200
around eighteen eighty nine. You know, after they had pretty

501
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:34,400
much cut all the trees from the mountain right, railroad operations,

502
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:37,119
you know, kind of ceased. There was no one to

503
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:41,000
transport this lumber. You know, they kind of just their

504
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:47,279
entire economy just crashed. And they would transform this charcoal

505
00:28:47,359 --> 00:28:51,279
business into a resort. So they would turn their bunk

506
00:28:51,319 --> 00:28:53,960
house into a grand hotel and their general store into

507
00:28:54,039 --> 00:28:57,359
a casino. They would rebuild the train and do an

508
00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:01,359
electric tram. But they used to carry people from Bennington,

509
00:29:01,839 --> 00:29:05,000
you know, up the mountain side to Gladsonbury or South

510
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:08,079
Gladsonbury and all this seemed like a great idea, right,

511
00:29:08,119 --> 00:29:11,000
the town was prosperous again, but it didn't last long.

512
00:29:11,319 --> 00:29:15,480
Glastonbury experienced a single year of operation before the following spring,

513
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:18,400
when the snow began to melt and the rains fell.

514
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:22,880
The infrastructure that supported Glastonbury was literally washed down the

515
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:26,640
mountain in an epic flood, obviously thanks to all the

516
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:28,440
trees that they cut down. You know, these trees they

517
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:31,000
hold the soil together. There was nothing to hold the

518
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:34,319
soil and they kind of just lost everything. Uh. Now

519
00:29:34,319 --> 00:29:37,759
that's the basic history of the town. It's now ghost town.

520
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:40,599
You can go up there. There's all these foundations, and

521
00:29:42,119 --> 00:29:44,240
you know, there's no buildings left now, but there's there's

522
00:29:44,279 --> 00:29:47,200
these foundations. People go up there. You know, you can

523
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:51,160
see videos on YouTube and stuff. It is a fairly

524
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:54,160
decent hike. If you are in the area or you're

525
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:56,440
thinking about going to the area, it's pretty decent hike

526
00:29:56,559 --> 00:29:58,680
just to get up there. It's like three miles or

527
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:03,039
something like that. But if you are a thing you're

528
00:30:03,039 --> 00:30:04,480
going up there. I mean, I guess I would kind

529
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:08,960
of recommend it. It might be exciting, but yeah, that's the

530
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:13,000
basic history. Like I said, in the nineteen forties, five

531
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:16,200
people went missing in a five year span, and this

532
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:18,680
is what gets the most attention when you talk about

533
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:22,640
the Bennington Triangle. But they don't. You know, it's interesting,

534
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:26,039
but it's it's definitely not the most interesting thing, I think.

535
00:30:29,039 --> 00:30:29,960
So there's estimate.

536
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:35,920
Speaker 1: I was gonna ask a question, yep, the five people

537
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:40,039
that were missing, were they five to like, were any

538
00:30:40,079 --> 00:30:42,319
of them together or were they all just random people

539
00:30:42,359 --> 00:30:47,400
that came up missing? And were they all men women mixtures.

540
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:52,119
Speaker 3: I'll get into it, but no, they weren't together. But

541
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:57,279
it's very weird. It's almost like I don't like talking

542
00:30:57,319 --> 00:31:00,720
about you know, I'm a paranormal guy, right, I like

543
00:31:01,799 --> 00:31:04,319
weird things, so I don't like talking about, you know,

544
00:31:05,079 --> 00:31:11,200
the serial killer theory, right. But it's almost it's very strange.

545
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 2: You know.

546
00:31:11,599 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 3: I'll lay out the years and things and you'll notice,

547
00:31:15,079 --> 00:31:18,759
like something funky's going on here, Like there's a reason

548
00:31:18,799 --> 00:31:24,720
why people focus on this. David Palides Polites has He's

549
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:28,480
included this in his his Eastern Bug, you know, Missing

550
00:31:28,519 --> 00:31:34,559
four and one, the Eastern Book. But yeah, so there's

551
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:38,119
estimates that up to forty people have gone missing within

552
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:42,000
the triangle over the course of all these years. And

553
00:31:42,119 --> 00:31:44,960
before these five people went missing, there were two others

554
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:48,440
that were also kind of strange disappearances as well as

555
00:31:48,519 --> 00:31:51,759
deaths that occurred in the area that don't get as

556
00:31:51,839 --> 00:31:54,920
much attention. One was in nineteen forty two and the

557
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:57,519
other was in nineteen forty three, so they're kind of

558
00:31:57,559 --> 00:32:00,720
back to back, you know, you'll, I'll get into the

559
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:04,920
five right now. So between nineteen forty five and nineteen fifty,

560
00:32:05,039 --> 00:32:08,079
you know, these these five people really gained notoriety. And

561
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:11,160
the first one is a man named Midy Rivers, and

562
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:13,480
he was a hunter. You know, he's a hunting guide,

563
00:32:13,519 --> 00:32:17,119
a local hunting guide in this place called Brickford Hollow.

564
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:20,319
He was leading a group of hunters in Brickford Hollow,

565
00:32:21,279 --> 00:32:24,240
which I think is also called Hell's Hollow. It got

566
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:28,119
the nickname Hell's Hollow. I'm not exactly sure why, but

567
00:32:28,599 --> 00:32:31,200
it definitely doesn't sound very very pleasant.

568
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 1: I felt like a lot of those places were given

569
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:35,960
the names of devils and hells and everything else is

570
00:32:36,039 --> 00:32:37,960
to make them sounds scary to white settlers.

571
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:41,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that that very well could be the reason.

572
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:46,680
I like, I don't know, but yeah, many rivers he

573
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:49,799
would just vanish without a trace. He was with hunters, right,

574
00:32:50,039 --> 00:32:54,200
He kind of went ahead of them to prepare the camp,

575
00:32:55,359 --> 00:32:59,000
and he disappeared between leaving the hunters the group of hunters,

576
00:32:59,119 --> 00:33:01,279
so I guess this guy was the group. He disappeared

577
00:33:01,319 --> 00:33:05,319
between leaving those hunters and the camp in between that point.

578
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:08,400
At some point he disappeared, and that was on November twelfth,

579
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:12,839
nineteen forty five, and he just I guess, kind of

580
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:14,240
just keep this in the back of your head. He

581
00:33:14,279 --> 00:33:17,960
was wearing a red and black jacket. Now, they never

582
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:21,359
found anything of him. There's reports that they found a

583
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:24,920
single bullet that had not been shot, like it had

584
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:28,319
just fallen out of his pocket. And it was kind

585
00:33:28,319 --> 00:33:32,480
of like on the edge of a very shallow stream,

586
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:35,480
like a creek, not a river or anything like. He

587
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:38,440
couldn't have drowned or been swept down river, right, it's

588
00:33:38,519 --> 00:33:42,559
just this very very shallow creek. And the next one

589
00:33:42,559 --> 00:33:45,279
to go missing was Paula Weldon. And she's probably the

590
00:33:45,279 --> 00:33:48,559
most popular one. You know, she was very wealthier parent.

591
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:51,599
You know, her dad owned some sort of company and

592
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:54,359
he put a lot of money into finding her. And

593
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:59,039
she's actually the reason why the Vermont State Police, you know,

594
00:33:59,519 --> 00:34:03,920
was star and she went missing on December one, nineteen

595
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:07,799
forty six, you know, about a year later. And she

596
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:13,840
hitchhiked from I believe it was Southern Vermont College. You know,

597
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:17,039
this was a it's not open anymore and it's got

598
00:34:17,079 --> 00:34:20,840
its own paranormal issues going on there, but you know,

599
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:24,119
it's not too far away. It's in Bennington. And she

600
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:28,880
hitchhiked from the college to Brickford Hollow and she was

601
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:32,679
wearing a red jacket and there's some evidence that she

602
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:35,760
might have gone into a car. Now keep that in

603
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:38,519
mind to the end of this when I'm going to

604
00:34:38,559 --> 00:34:45,599
get into something that I've recently uncovered that's very, very strange.

605
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:49,119
The third person to go missing was James Tedford. He

606
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:54,719
was a World War One vet. He practically went missing

607
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:57,079
on a bus. No one ever saw him get off,

608
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:03,079
No one ever saw you know, he never went so

609
00:35:03,079 --> 00:35:04,920
he got on the bus, no one ever saw him

610
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:07,639
god get off the bus. He never made it to

611
00:35:07,679 --> 00:35:10,719
his destination. So they say, you know, he just disappeared

612
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:14,719
from the bus, right and he went missing on December first,

613
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:19,239
nineteen forty nine, so three years to the day after

614
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:23,599
PAULA Weldon went missing. Some people say that he was

615
00:35:23,639 --> 00:35:31,440
seen talking with somebody before he went missing, but you know,

616
00:35:32,079 --> 00:35:34,880
people just say that there's no evidence to support that

617
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:39,280
he actually did. The next person, this would be the

618
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:44,159
fourth one, was a little boy named Paul Jepsum and

619
00:35:44,199 --> 00:35:47,519
he went missing on October twelfth, nineteen fifty. He was

620
00:35:47,559 --> 00:35:53,280
wearing a red sweater. Bloodhounds tracked, you know, his his

621
00:35:53,559 --> 00:35:56,599
trail is sent to a road that was near the

622
00:35:56,920 --> 00:36:00,639
mountain near Glastonbury, and his parents reported that he had

623
00:36:00,679 --> 00:36:03,800
had an urge to go to the mountain, you know,

624
00:36:04,559 --> 00:36:09,400
in the weeks leading up to his disappearance. Now, the

625
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:12,719
last one to go missing within this timeframe was free

626
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:17,719
to Langer. She missing like two weeks later on October

627
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:21,480
twenty eighth, nineteen fifty. She was wearing a red and

628
00:36:21,559 --> 00:36:25,199
white woolen shirt. And out of the five that went

629
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:27,119
missing that we just talked about, she was the only

630
00:36:27,119 --> 00:36:30,599
one that was ever found. Now, she was found seven

631
00:36:30,679 --> 00:36:33,440
miles away or uh three and a half miles away,

632
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:37,320
seven months later, right after the snow had melted and

633
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:42,440
in the springtime, and they attributed her death to an

634
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:48,079
accidental drowning. She was found, you know, face up at

635
00:36:48,079 --> 00:36:56,360
the edge of Summerset Reservoir in a in like with

636
00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:59,159
the missing four one one stuff. You know, she was

637
00:36:59,199 --> 00:37:03,719
found in a location that had been searched several times previously,

638
00:37:05,159 --> 00:37:07,440
but it wasn't until the springtime when they found her. Right,

639
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:16,559
let's see here. So the two that I had mentioned

640
00:37:16,639 --> 00:37:23,239
briefly before these major you know, occurrences was a boy

641
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:26,519
named Melvin Hills who went missing in nineteen forty two

642
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:30,920
from the Bennington area. He was never found. They don't

643
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:33,239
you know, I don't know if this has anything to

644
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:35,559
do with a triangle or if he just went missing

645
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:38,480
somewhere else, I don't know. But he went missing and

646
00:37:38,599 --> 00:37:43,880
was never found. And on November eleventh, nineteen forty three,

647
00:37:44,039 --> 00:37:48,079
Carl Herrick was hunting with a cousin in the triangle.

648
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:52,000
They ended up separating, and when Carl didn't return that night,

649
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:55,880
his cousin went for help. Now Carl was found three

650
00:37:55,960 --> 00:38:00,760
days later. His rifle was one hundred feet away from him,

651
00:38:01,199 --> 00:38:05,360
and he had been squeezed to death right his rib cage.

652
00:38:05,559 --> 00:38:09,360
His ribs had punctured his lungs, you know, due to

653
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:12,400
the immense pressure and force, kind of like someone gave

654
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:15,800
him a giant bear hug, right, and that that is

655
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:19,400
how he died. Well, I guess a lot of people

656
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:21,519
attribute that to sasquatch or something.

657
00:38:21,599 --> 00:38:25,239
Speaker 1: Right, it sounds like something I was getting ready to say,

658
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:29,599
like a bear hug. Now, there are bears in that area.

659
00:38:29,679 --> 00:38:32,119
But if something were to kill him, like a bear,

660
00:38:32,599 --> 00:38:36,320
wasn't the bear of eaten him? Uh?

661
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:38,880
Speaker 3: You know, yeah, we do a black bear in the area.

662
00:38:43,199 --> 00:38:45,119
Speaker 1: It's just weird if a bear would have killed him,

663
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:46,440
they didn't.

664
00:38:46,159 --> 00:38:50,039
Speaker 3: Do anything right, Like if he was attacked by an animal,

665
00:38:50,599 --> 00:38:52,079
they would have known, Like if you're going to get

666
00:38:52,079 --> 00:38:55,760
attacked by a bear and then someone finds your body,

667
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:57,880
they're obviously going to know you were attacked by an

668
00:38:57,920 --> 00:38:59,920
animal like it being attacked by an animal is not

669
00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:05,559
you know, there's bloods, there's clothings ripped up, you know,

670
00:39:05,559 --> 00:39:09,519
you got scratch smarks everywhere. There was none of that.

671
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:12,280
It was just his lungs were punctured and that was it.

672
00:39:13,079 --> 00:39:16,119
Nothing had touched him in the three days or however

673
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:19,199
many days after his death, nothing had touched him. It

674
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:21,480
was just his punctured lungs and you know, he had

675
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:24,440
been squeezed to death, and his rifle was you know,

676
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:25,800
one hundred feet away or whatever.

677
00:39:27,039 --> 00:39:32,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, just strange. Now, I know you. I don't think

678
00:39:32,679 --> 00:39:34,920
you've gotten into this far, but you mentioned the David

679
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:39,079
Palidi's scene has got me thinking. I remember specifically on

680
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:43,800
the video like the series that he did. I think

681
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:45,320
it was the second one that one was called the

682
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:48,519
Hunted Yep, the old guy that was hunting that ended

683
00:39:48,559 --> 00:39:52,400
up disappearing. Is that one of the people from that area?

684
00:39:52,679 --> 00:39:56,360
Speaker 3: No, but it's not that far away either, I mean, okay, yeah,

685
00:39:56,440 --> 00:40:01,639
Bennington is right on the border of kind of that area,

686
00:40:02,599 --> 00:40:04,719
you know, maybe like an hour and a half drive.

687
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:07,679
But yeah, it's not in that area, but it isn't

688
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:09,039
it isn't that that far away.

689
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:12,639
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, I just was kind of curious.

690
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:16,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, same general area, but not in the

691
00:40:16,639 --> 00:40:18,239
triangle or the same state.

692
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:22,880
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, uh so.

693
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:26,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, anyways, those are the missing people. Those are the

694
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:28,199
you know, when you talk about the triangle, that's what

695
00:40:28,559 --> 00:40:35,239
people mainly talk about. But that's not necessarily what grabbed

696
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:39,679
my attention. Uh what really grabbed my attention, And this

697
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:41,440
is where it starts to get. This is where I

698
00:40:41,599 --> 00:40:43,920
kind of go off the rails and I got into

699
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:47,280
my own research on a bunch of stuff. So hear

700
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:51,000
me out, let me know what you think, Like this

701
00:40:51,119 --> 00:40:53,320
is gonna get kind of weird, all right. So what

702
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:57,400
really grabbed my interest about the triangle is the fact

703
00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:04,119
that the local Abanaki believe their creator God lived within

704
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:12,599
this mountain, you know, Mount Gladstonbury. Uh So, as I

705
00:41:12,639 --> 00:41:15,920
looked into this topic, I do deep, you know, down

706
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:19,360
a rabbit hole obviously, Like there's so much to to

707
00:41:19,559 --> 00:41:22,400
look through that I I obviously haven't looked through at all.

708
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:25,679
There's just too much, too much information and there's a

709
00:41:25,679 --> 00:41:28,039
lot of information that I can access. You know, I've tried.

710
00:41:28,519 --> 00:41:33,239
I'm not Native American myself. I don't have Native American

711
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:40,519
blood in me. I've reached out to our local tribes, uh,

712
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:43,559
but they don't want, you know, anything to do with this.

713
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:47,800
So there there's I have not been able to. I

714
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:49,840
just want to. I want to make sure that's out there.

715
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:54,599
I've not talked to any you know, tribal leaders about

716
00:41:54,679 --> 00:41:58,159
any of this or gotten their opinion. I've just read

717
00:41:58,159 --> 00:42:01,760
what I could from books on this object, as well

718
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:08,079
as you know, articles online and things like that. So yeah,

719
00:42:08,079 --> 00:42:10,000
So as I looked into this, I dove down a

720
00:42:10,039 --> 00:42:13,840
huge rabbit hole that it kind of included you know,

721
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:19,039
primordial beings as well as a concept known as chaotic waters,

722
00:42:20,559 --> 00:42:24,199
which which nearly every major religion I looked into, including

723
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:28,960
the majority, if not all, of the First Nations and

724
00:42:29,079 --> 00:42:35,320
Native American beliefs you know, talk about it. It's very strange.

725
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:40,199
Like I said, every and not just the Native American

726
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:44,079
you know and First Nation tribes. I'm talking about every religion.

727
00:42:44,119 --> 00:42:47,320
So every religion I looked into spoke about this mysterious

728
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:53,280
cosmic substance I will refer to as chaotic water, you know,

729
00:42:54,119 --> 00:42:56,360
It's not always referred to as that, but a lot

730
00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:59,039
of these religions talk about it. You know, they call

731
00:42:59,119 --> 00:43:03,400
it chaotic water. So this chaotic water, it seems to

732
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:07,159
be some sort of portal or doorway where those primordial

733
00:43:07,199 --> 00:43:14,119
beings and particularly the gods or beings of extraordinary power

734
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:18,039
are able to literally pull not only other beings from,

735
00:43:18,079 --> 00:43:21,719
but also places and things. Right, So I picture I

736
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:25,960
picture this as as like, uh, the place and stranger

737
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:29,320
things where Eleven goes when she's kind of like mentally searching.

738
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:32,559
You know, it's like dark and she's like walking on

739
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:34,280
you know, a little bit of water. I kind of

740
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:38,639
picture it something like that. We don't really have a

741
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:42,400
clear uniform description of this place, and ancient cultures had

742
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:45,719
different names for it, you know, like the Samerians and

743
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:50,559
the Babylonians knew it as Absu, The ancient Egyptians called

744
00:43:50,559 --> 00:43:55,440
it the New. Ancient Hindus called it the ast The

745
00:43:55,599 --> 00:43:59,960
Yazidis knew it as the dr or the white pearl Zora.

746
00:44:00,039 --> 00:44:05,840
Roastrians called it the Vruska. Abrahamic religions, you know, like

747
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:12,159
like Christianity and Judaism, and you know, they they refer

748
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:15,159
to it as the tay Home. So it's even in

749
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:18,239
you know, the Bible. They talk about it in the Bible.

750
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:22,920
H they refer to it as the Taihome. You know.

751
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:25,800
I believe the quote from the Bible is let there

752
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:29,639
be a firm firmament in the midst of the waters,

753
00:44:29,679 --> 00:44:34,000
and let it and let it divide the waters from

754
00:44:34,039 --> 00:44:35,639
the waters. And that's Genesis.

755
00:44:36,039 --> 00:44:37,039
Speaker 1: You know. Six.

756
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:42,360
Speaker 3: I'm not a I'm not really big up on the

757
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:45,119
Bible myself, but I have talked to Gary Wayne about this.

758
00:44:45,159 --> 00:44:47,960
I've had him on my show and I kind of

759
00:44:48,039 --> 00:44:52,119
I asked him of all about this stuff, and I think,

760
00:44:52,559 --> 00:44:54,159
you know, a lot of what he says plays a

761
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:56,000
role in what I'm gonna get into.

762
00:44:56,079 --> 00:44:59,880
Speaker 1: Really, I haven't actually talked to him. He's been some

763
00:45:00,079 --> 00:45:01,679
and I've been wanting to reach out to but I

764
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:05,519
never have. I just kind of I just go with

765
00:45:05,519 --> 00:45:07,679
whoever reached out to me. That's how I do the episode.

766
00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:12,760
I don't, yeah, manes, I don't hunt too many people. Now.

767
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:16,119
Speaker 3: He's an interesting man. I mean, he's got he's a

768
00:45:16,159 --> 00:45:20,039
wealth of knowledge, that's for sure. Like you could ask

769
00:45:20,079 --> 00:45:24,000
him pretty much anything that deals with not even the Bible,

770
00:45:24,159 --> 00:45:29,920
just like ancient gods and beings and he knows about him. So, like,

771
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:33,239
like I asked Gary Wayne about this, you know, you know,

772
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:35,840
I kind of had this theory that the tay Home

773
00:45:36,119 --> 00:45:39,400
was kind of like a primordial being in itself. However,

774
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:41,039
I couldn't I couldn't get him to agree to this,

775
00:45:41,119 --> 00:45:42,920
you know, but he kind of sold me on the

776
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:46,320
idea that and and maybe it talks about this in

777
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:48,000
the Bible and I just wasn't picking it up. But

778
00:45:48,039 --> 00:45:50,559
he kind of sold me on this idea that there was,

779
00:45:50,639 --> 00:45:56,559
you know, a whole another world before this world, and

780
00:45:56,960 --> 00:46:01,280
you know, God just totally often talk about the flood

781
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:05,360
being the reset, right, but I'm talking we're talking about

782
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:08,000
a flood before the flood, like a total flood that

783
00:46:08,119 --> 00:46:14,920
just knocked out everything. That's kind of what he explained

784
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:18,039
explained it as. However, I still kind of feel like

785
00:46:18,079 --> 00:46:23,880
the Tayhome is almost a primordial being in itself. But yeah,

786
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:26,679
that doesn't necessarily have anything to do with with the

787
00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:30,400
Bennington triangle. But uh, but like I said, I mean

788
00:46:30,599 --> 00:46:33,280
a lot of these major religions talk about this this

789
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:40,440
chaotic water even like North Norse mythology. It's somewhat of

790
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:44,239
an outliers. There's no like official chaotic water. However, their

791
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:49,079
primordial god was seemingly borne from the melting waters where

792
00:46:49,199 --> 00:46:53,880
Musselheim and Joltenheim met, you know, so like the fires

793
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:58,320
of of of Mossolheim kind of melted the ice from

794
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:01,360
from Jotenheim and from that their god, you know, their

795
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:09,320
their their primordial uh creator god was born. And that's

796
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:13,320
just a handful of names that from major religions, both

797
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:16,960
historic and modern, that include you know, cosmic water in

798
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:20,760
their historical makeup. So there's also you know, kind of

799
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:25,159
this idea that within these primordial waters, before creation had

800
00:47:25,159 --> 00:47:29,360
even taken place, that there's still existed gods. You know,

801
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:32,800
I kind of mentioned it before, known as primordials, and

802
00:47:33,079 --> 00:47:35,159
these are the gods that that these would be like

803
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:40,480
first generation gods. Uh So, these primordial gods are the

804
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:42,960
creators of all other gods, right, they play a role.

805
00:47:45,159 --> 00:47:49,119
It's often is that my computer doing that?

806
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:50,559
Speaker 1: What are you hearing?

807
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:53,039
Speaker 3: Sorry? I didn't I didn't know if you heard that

808
00:47:53,159 --> 00:47:55,719
or not. It keeps beeping. I don't know how to turn.

809
00:47:55,599 --> 00:47:59,159
Speaker 1: It off though, I don't hear anything, all right, sorry?

810
00:47:59,679 --> 00:48:02,960
Speaker 3: Uh so, yeah, so like I'm not talking about gods

811
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:06,880
like Zeus or Thor or Nubis or Thronos or the Titans.

812
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:12,440
Like I don't know how how you know, how big

813
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:15,360
you are into like nephelum talk and things like that,

814
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:18,079
but this is kind of going down those lines. You know,

815
00:48:18,119 --> 00:48:21,920
when you think of all these these gods and all

816
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:26,760
these you know, polytheistic religions and mythologies of you you

817
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:28,639
kind of think you have to think of them in

818
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:33,960
terms of they're all kind of their own nephelum almost right.

819
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:38,000
This is kind of what Gary Wayne talks about. So

820
00:48:38,039 --> 00:48:39,920
it's kind of the way that I took it as

821
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:44,760
so these primordial gods, they're not they would be you know,

822
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:49,679
first generation, not you know, not like Zeus or Thor

823
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:51,719
or the ones that I had just mentioned. I'm talking

824
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:56,159
more about like gods like Raw or Gaya or Chaos, Tartaris,

825
00:48:56,559 --> 00:49:00,320
a lot of Native American and First Nation tribes about

826
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:03,639
the Great Spirit. You know, there's there's just too many dimensions.

827
00:49:03,639 --> 00:49:09,639
There's there's so many now, like I said, or I

828
00:49:09,679 --> 00:49:10,920
don't know if I said this or not, but this

829
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:12,800
is this is really just a theory and a theory

830
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:16,800
that I'm continuously working on. But from what I've gathered

831
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:20,079
from talking with people like Gary Wayne and digging into

832
00:49:20,119 --> 00:49:24,880
topics like uh, immortal beings like the Fay, like the

833
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:30,519
Tuatha Day or the the noon Hind. I think that

834
00:49:30,519 --> 00:49:33,840
it plays a role within the triangle. So yeah, so

835
00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:36,719
I kind of dove into all this this god talk,

836
00:49:37,599 --> 00:49:40,760
you know, after I had read about this Abanaki creator

837
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:43,760
god and this god's name was Tallbaldak or that that's

838
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:49,239
what we would know him as. Like I said, you know,

839
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:54,159
I'm not an indigenous tribe member, so I I just

840
00:49:54,159 --> 00:49:55,760
want to I really want to point that out. You know,

841
00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:58,880
I don't necessarily know exactly what I'm talking about because

842
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:02,239
I'm not a tribe members, so but what I do.

843
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:11,960
But what I do know is that tallball Dac is

844
00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:16,920
a creator god that's unique to the Abanaki and the Abnaki,

845
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:19,599
you know, is one of the tribe that make up

846
00:50:19,639 --> 00:50:25,119
the Wabanaki Confederacy and is considered, you know, one of

847
00:50:25,119 --> 00:50:29,239
these primordials who existed within the chaotic waters, which is

848
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:35,199
described in Abinaki lore as an empty, colorless plane. So

849
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:41,039
the Wabanaki Confederacy, there's five tribes. I think I listed

850
00:50:41,079 --> 00:50:44,000
them off further down the line, but the Abnaki is

851
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:45,679
one of those tribes, and they kind of make up

852
00:50:46,119 --> 00:50:51,519
the you know Native American tribes in Vermont, New Hampshire,

853
00:50:51,639 --> 00:50:58,440
Maine and up into Canada and throughout those tribes. Tabaldac

854
00:50:58,559 --> 00:51:02,199
is really only a crew god to the Abanaki. And

855
00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:06,960
like I said, they say he lives on this mountain,

856
00:51:07,119 --> 00:51:10,760
this Glassonberry Mountain, right. But yeah, you know, like there's

857
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:13,920
just so I can't I can't stress enough how much

858
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:16,039
there is to read. So I'm really trying to piece

859
00:51:16,079 --> 00:51:19,840
this together as I go. But I don't believe these

860
00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:24,199
these primordial beings were actual gods, you know, creating bits

861
00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:26,880
of the world from nothing and then piecing it together

862
00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:30,559
like a puzzle. You know. I have pondered that idea,

863
00:51:30,599 --> 00:51:33,280
but obviously that doesn't it does doesn't make a whole

864
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:37,880
lot of sense. I do believe they were powerful beings,

865
00:51:38,199 --> 00:51:41,039
you know, like the Nephilm or the Fay, who were

866
00:51:41,079 --> 00:51:46,000
able to do fantastical things like create life from the

867
00:51:46,079 --> 00:51:50,159
natural world or destroy it completely. You know, these are

868
00:51:50,199 --> 00:51:53,360
things that you know, the indigenous people like the Abanaki,

869
00:51:53,639 --> 00:51:59,239
had never seen before. But what attribute you know to

870
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:01,400
these beings being gods?

871
00:52:02,559 --> 00:52:02,679
Speaker 2: Uh?

872
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:06,679
Speaker 3: You know, we have to keep in mind, I don't

873
00:52:06,679 --> 00:52:10,000
really know how to put this. Uh So there's the

874
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:15,400
Abenaki obviously, you know, this this Wabanaki Confederacy, and these

875
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:19,360
these Native American tribes that we know of today. You know,

876
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:21,760
they've been around for a while. I don't, I didn't,

877
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:24,039
you know, I don't know exactly how long, but there

878
00:52:24,039 --> 00:52:28,760
were tribes that came before them, right, and so those

879
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:32,199
are the tribes that really interest me. You know, I

880
00:52:32,199 --> 00:52:36,880
think a lot of the the stories that are passed

881
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:40,960
down through you know, these tribes over these years, they

882
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:46,159
originate from these these freed tribes. I don't I don't

883
00:52:46,199 --> 00:52:48,639
necessarily know what they're called, but you know, these tribes

884
00:52:48,679 --> 00:52:55,320
that existed before the Abnaki were actually in place, so

885
00:52:55,400 --> 00:52:58,280
there their stories are essentially stories that have been passed down,

886
00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:03,639
you know, orally for equally you know, thousands and thousands

887
00:53:03,679 --> 00:53:09,400
of years, kind of like how you know, like the

888
00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:14,199
Sphinx and the Great Pyramid were probably in Egypt long

889
00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:17,119
before the Egyptians were there, right, you know, but then

890
00:53:17,159 --> 00:53:20,360
the Egyptians kind of took took those over, claimed them

891
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:23,400
as their own. It's kind of like that, you know,

892
00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:27,280
but story wise, and you know, when it comes to

893
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:33,039
like gods and things like that. So the Abenaki who

894
00:53:33,079 --> 00:53:36,800
lived around Glastonbury during the last few centuries weren't the

895
00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:39,599
same indigenous culture who lived there thousands of years ago,

896
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:42,440
which is important to know, like I said, especially when

897
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:45,320
it comes to investigating the origins of Tabal Dak and

898
00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:48,440
who he actually was. I call it the the Vera

899
00:53:48,519 --> 00:53:51,840
Coacha effect. I don't know if you know who vera

900
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:55,039
Coacha was. He was a pre inc in h He

901
00:53:55,159 --> 00:53:59,760
was pre incing as well as an incin creator god

902
00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:03,800
who essentially came from somewhere else. He looked completely different,

903
00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:06,519
you know than any other gods or any of the

904
00:54:06,519 --> 00:54:08,920
ink and people. You know he had He had pale

905
00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:16,039
white skin, he had a beard. You know, he carried

906
00:54:16,079 --> 00:54:18,840
books they didn't have you know, there's there's carvings of

907
00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:21,599
him and they looked like he's holding books. You know,

908
00:54:21,679 --> 00:54:27,760
they they didn't have books back then. Uh So, I

909
00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:31,760
kind of it's almost like the same thing. We don't

910
00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:34,639
necessarily need to get into to uh fear culture. But

911
00:54:34,679 --> 00:54:37,719
the story of Verkroacher raises tons of questions for me.

912
00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:40,320
You know, is he a member of the macal? Did

913
00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:42,599
he come from you know? The other world, like the

914
00:54:42,639 --> 00:54:45,800
Tuatha day or the nonheind was he a nephlum? You know,

915
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:47,360
these are all questions that I think of when I

916
00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:49,679
think of of tallball Back and where he came from.

917
00:54:50,119 --> 00:54:55,800
He's already connected to the old world god uh, gods

918
00:54:55,800 --> 00:54:59,400
that are reported to be you know nephlum if you listen,

919
00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:05,320
you know, agree with people like Gary Wayne, and they're

920
00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:09,400
also you know, created through this chaotic water concept. So

921
00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:12,719
I took a closer look at the mountain and well,

922
00:55:12,719 --> 00:55:14,920
we're thinking, you know, weird things have been going on

923
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:18,480
for hundreds of years. I kind of feel like the

924
00:55:18,519 --> 00:55:23,719
most important piece of lore is the fact that the

925
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:26,599
you know, the Abinaki believed the mountain is cursed in

926
00:55:26,639 --> 00:55:30,400
the existence of these man eating rocks, right. I think

927
00:55:30,519 --> 00:55:32,760
I kind of breezed over that subject, But you know,

928
00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:35,119
there are stories of these man eating rocks on the

929
00:55:35,119 --> 00:55:39,119
mountain where you you you know the Abanaki talked about

930
00:55:39,199 --> 00:55:41,679
and you step on a rock in a certain place

931
00:55:41,679 --> 00:55:46,440
and it'll just eat you hole. I've always pictured these

932
00:55:46,519 --> 00:55:51,559
as as like you know, portals to somewhere else, right

933
00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:55,480
m hm, you know, and these are you know, legends

934
00:55:55,519 --> 00:55:59,360
that go back to the original inhabitants. Uh, and they're

935
00:55:59,360 --> 00:56:02,239
the most real liable in my mind. You know, these

936
00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:06,320
these the Native American stories, I feel like are more

937
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:09,679
reliable than you know, the stories told by the settlers

938
00:56:09,719 --> 00:56:15,559
and things like that. In one of these, you know,

939
00:56:15,679 --> 00:56:20,039
original mysteries from the mountain that it's not necessarily paranormal.

940
00:56:22,519 --> 00:56:25,400
It's kind of fairly mundane on the surface, but it

941
00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:28,639
tends to be left out of the triangle lore. And

942
00:56:28,679 --> 00:56:32,280
those are you know, they're stories of these these mysterious

943
00:56:32,320 --> 00:56:35,159
stone carns that are on the mountain, you know, the

944
00:56:35,159 --> 00:56:38,320
mountain top, so about five hundred feet from the summit,

945
00:56:39,199 --> 00:56:42,880
there are these five stone carns. Now, a stone carn

946
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:47,360
is kind of like a bunch of stacked stones, you know. Uh,

947
00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:51,119
But these specific carns, they're nothing like the stack stones

948
00:56:51,119 --> 00:56:53,920
that you see by the river. There's something like that,

949
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:57,199
you know, rock gardens or whatever people make. These carns

950
00:56:57,239 --> 00:57:01,559
are are short and wide, but they really mark something

951
00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:04,679
and it's not a trail. A lot of people think that,

952
00:57:05,239 --> 00:57:08,119
you know, these cars were marking trails of some sort.

953
00:57:08,519 --> 00:57:15,320
There were no trails to be marked when these were made.

954
00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:18,920
You know, like the collective thought of these these stone

955
00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:22,559
carns by people much smarter than me, obviously, is that

956
00:57:22,599 --> 00:57:28,119
they were built for some religious or ritualistic purpose. Now

957
00:57:28,159 --> 00:57:31,599
these smarter people are members of like you know, New

958
00:57:31,639 --> 00:57:36,639
England Antiquities Research Association or NERA. Now these guys have

959
00:57:36,719 --> 00:57:40,519
done scientific evaluations on the carns and have come to

960
00:57:40,559 --> 00:57:45,079
the conclusion that they they aren't only designed to be ritualistic,

961
00:57:45,199 --> 00:57:48,800
but they're also very old, you know, potentially thousands of

962
00:57:48,920 --> 00:57:52,440
years old, so they date back before the Abenaki were there.

963
00:57:54,360 --> 00:57:57,679
You know, you can't necessarily date stone, but through moss

964
00:57:57,760 --> 00:58:02,760
growth and some I don't know, crazy scientific method, NERO

965
00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:06,719
was able to date this collection of five carns. You know,

966
00:58:07,039 --> 00:58:14,079
they call them ancient. I'm a pretty big carn guy,

967
00:58:14,079 --> 00:58:17,119
you know. I like there's a lot of weird stone

968
00:58:17,199 --> 00:58:19,920
things going on here in New England, right I find

969
00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:24,119
them pretty fascinating. You know where New England is full

970
00:58:24,159 --> 00:58:29,679
of mysterious stone structures, one of which which I think

971
00:58:31,679 --> 00:58:34,239
could play a role in what's going on in the

972
00:58:34,280 --> 00:58:38,719
Triangle is a place near the New Hampshire Sea coast,

973
00:58:38,719 --> 00:58:42,800
and it's called America's Stonehenge or Mystery Hill. You know,

974
00:58:42,840 --> 00:58:46,079
it plays a role at least, I think it plays

975
00:58:46,119 --> 00:58:48,960
a role in what's going on in the triangle. Kind

976
00:58:48,960 --> 00:58:52,599
of going back to the beginning. Now, America's Stonehenge is

977
00:58:52,639 --> 00:58:56,079
a collection of stone ruins sits on about twelve acres

978
00:58:56,119 --> 00:58:59,760
of land in Salem, New Hampshire. This is so, this

979
00:58:59,840 --> 00:59:02,400
is This is Salem in the Hampshire, not Sale in Massachusetts.

980
00:59:02,519 --> 00:59:03,840
You know, there's no witches up here.

981
00:59:05,360 --> 00:59:06,119
Speaker 1: They burn them all.

982
00:59:10,119 --> 00:59:12,639
Speaker 3: It's not much is known about this place obviously, other

983
00:59:12,719 --> 00:59:16,840
than it's about four thousand years old. Maybe you know,

984
00:59:18,320 --> 00:59:21,719
a lot of people think that it's a hoax, you know,

985
00:59:21,800 --> 00:59:23,719
like some farmer made it or something. But a lot

986
00:59:23,719 --> 00:59:26,400
of people, you know, we have all sorts of stone

987
00:59:27,079 --> 00:59:29,760
structures here in New England that that people are like,

988
00:59:29,840 --> 00:59:33,519
oh that's a you know, that's a root seller. You know,

989
00:59:33,760 --> 00:59:36,920
some farmer made that or blah blah blah. Even I

990
00:59:36,920 --> 00:59:39,760
don't know what where are you from exactly.

991
00:59:40,639 --> 00:59:41,480
Speaker 1: I'm in Indiana.

992
00:59:42,480 --> 00:59:45,000
Speaker 3: You guys have like stone walls and things out there.

993
00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:50,000
Speaker 1: Not that I'm aware of. There are some places that

994
00:59:50,159 --> 00:59:58,360
have like old building ruins or whatever. Right there's there's

995
00:59:58,400 --> 01:00:00,880
a place where I used to work and we were

996
01:00:00,880 --> 01:00:04,519
doing this highway work and you can see the old

997
01:00:04,599 --> 01:00:06,559
chimney off in the woods, but there was never any

998
01:00:06,679 --> 01:00:08,519
road or driveway or anything that is in the middle

999
01:00:08,519 --> 01:00:10,199
of this woods. So we always said it was like

1000
01:00:10,239 --> 01:00:13,639
an old shiner still or something that they did back

1001
01:00:13,639 --> 01:00:16,000
in the old days. But it was made of brick

1002
01:00:16,039 --> 01:00:18,519
and it was still off in the woods. But you

1003
01:00:18,519 --> 01:00:20,840
can see somewhat of a foundation, so I'm assuming at

1004
01:00:20,880 --> 01:00:22,480
one point there had to have been a house or

1005
01:00:22,519 --> 01:00:26,880
something out there, but it wasn't anything like that. And

1006
01:00:26,920 --> 01:00:29,280
then there are some places that have like little underground

1007
01:00:29,320 --> 01:00:33,760
bunker entrances, but I don't know if anyone's ever actually

1008
01:00:35,440 --> 01:00:35,719
to them.

1009
01:00:36,679 --> 01:00:40,280
Speaker 3: That's really cool because we have places like that too.

1010
01:00:40,840 --> 01:00:43,360
They're like they look like you know, they call them

1011
01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:46,079
stone chambers here in New England, and I think there's

1012
01:00:46,119 --> 01:00:47,960
quite a few in Maine too as well. I talked

1013
01:00:47,960 --> 01:00:53,079
with Mark about this a lot. These stone chambers. You know,

1014
01:00:53,119 --> 01:00:55,760
nobody knows who made them or what they're for. You know,

1015
01:00:55,840 --> 01:00:59,880
all people have all sorts of theories on them. But

1016
01:01:00,119 --> 01:01:03,199
they're like, you know, a farmer didn't make this. They're

1017
01:01:03,239 --> 01:01:04,239
not made by a farmer.

1018
01:01:04,519 --> 01:01:04,679
Speaker 2: You know.

1019
01:01:04,679 --> 01:01:08,159
Speaker 3: They have like bee hive ceilings. So these slabs of

1020
01:01:08,320 --> 01:01:11,480
rocks that weigh like tons, like I don't even know,

1021
01:01:11,559 --> 01:01:15,719
thousands and thousands of pounds are like intricate, intricately stacked

1022
01:01:15,719 --> 01:01:19,800
together to make these roofs. And they're like rooms underground,

1023
01:01:19,840 --> 01:01:22,440
right you crawl through a little tiny hole. A lot

1024
01:01:22,480 --> 01:01:26,039
of them are aligned to like the summer or winter solstice,

1025
01:01:26,159 --> 01:01:29,039
so that you know, at the right time, the sun

1026
01:01:29,119 --> 01:01:31,840
will shine through the opening and'll you know, some of

1027
01:01:31,840 --> 01:01:35,159
these have like quartz crystals in the back and the

1028
01:01:35,199 --> 01:01:37,239
sun will hit the courts and it'll light up the

1029
01:01:37,239 --> 01:01:39,920
whole room, like a farmer. Didn't take the time to

1030
01:01:39,960 --> 01:01:42,599
make that. You know, they they had so much shit

1031
01:01:42,679 --> 01:01:44,800
to worry about that they they were not worried about

1032
01:01:45,199 --> 01:01:50,760
making these these crazy ass rooms. But you know, signed

1033
01:01:50,840 --> 01:01:54,320
you know, archaeologists don't necessarily want to get involved at all,

1034
01:01:54,400 --> 01:01:58,199
which is off. You know, it's weird. Some of them

1035
01:01:58,239 --> 01:02:02,480
are excavated, but nobody really ever comes to any conclusions

1036
01:02:02,519 --> 01:02:08,400
about them. But that's only one thing, right, these stone chambers.

1037
01:02:08,400 --> 01:02:12,159
We also have stone walls. Now, I always I never

1038
01:02:12,199 --> 01:02:14,679
thought anything about stone walls growing up in New England.

1039
01:02:14,719 --> 01:02:17,760
There's stone walls everywhere. There's like three hundred thousand miles

1040
01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:22,039
worth of stone walls, and I did you know, Mark

1041
01:02:22,119 --> 01:02:24,679
does a lot of stuff on stone structure, so I

1042
01:02:24,719 --> 01:02:28,639
did an episode with him about this. But there was

1043
01:02:28,679 --> 01:02:30,559
like a time period, it was like a forty year

1044
01:02:30,679 --> 01:02:33,599
period where three hundred thousand miles of stone walls were

1045
01:02:33,639 --> 01:02:37,559
supposedly built to keep in sheep. You know, there was

1046
01:02:37,599 --> 01:02:40,480
a huge sheep boom in New England back in the

1047
01:02:41,000 --> 01:02:44,440
mid eighteen hundreds and supposedly all these stone walls were

1048
01:02:44,440 --> 01:02:46,400
made to keep the sheep in. But I you know,

1049
01:02:47,599 --> 01:02:51,480
after what that's a lot of sheep. Oh yeah, no,

1050
01:02:51,639 --> 01:02:54,039
there was like there were more sheep than people in

1051
01:02:54,079 --> 01:02:58,360
New England at one point. But you know, after doing

1052
01:02:58,360 --> 01:03:00,880
the research on it, I don't necessarily I believe that

1053
01:03:01,000 --> 01:03:03,360
there's just two, you know, the like I'm telling you,

1054
01:03:03,400 --> 01:03:06,320
there's stone walls everywhere. Everywhere you look, there's gonna be

1055
01:03:06,320 --> 01:03:10,480
a stone wall. But you know, I think it all

1056
01:03:10,559 --> 01:03:13,440
kind of plays together at one point, you know, it

1057
01:03:13,519 --> 01:03:16,639
all come together. But obviously I don't have the answer

1058
01:03:16,639 --> 01:03:19,440
for that. But yeah, anyway, this place is called Mystery Hill,

1059
01:03:19,840 --> 01:03:23,079
you know, it's called they call it America Stonehenge. It's

1060
01:03:23,079 --> 01:03:27,519
a collection of underground chambers and stone walls and and

1061
01:03:27,519 --> 01:03:30,440
blah blah blah that sit on you know, twelve acres

1062
01:03:30,440 --> 01:03:34,840
of land in New Hampshire. You know, there's there's like

1063
01:03:34,920 --> 01:03:40,800
standing stones that are kind of in a circle around

1064
01:03:40,880 --> 01:03:45,519
the main complex. I guess you could say, which kind

1065
01:03:45,559 --> 01:03:50,039
of mark important days of the year. So it's astronomically aligned.

1066
01:03:50,559 --> 01:03:53,920
Each each standing stone kind of aligns to a different

1067
01:03:54,440 --> 01:03:58,599
you know, time of the year, and it just kind

1068
01:03:58,599 --> 01:04:01,679
of you know, those stones surround these underground chambers and everything.

1069
01:04:02,920 --> 01:04:06,519
So what you know, what could ancient stone ruins hundreds

1070
01:04:06,559 --> 01:04:08,800
of miles away in a completely different state have to

1071
01:04:08,800 --> 01:04:10,559
do with a triangle. Well, I think it all comes

1072
01:04:10,599 --> 01:04:14,440
down to these these stone carns that are on the mountain.

1073
01:04:14,719 --> 01:04:19,159
So I scoured the internet for carns that looked the

1074
01:04:19,280 --> 01:04:22,480
same or similar, Right, I wanted to see if I

1075
01:04:22,480 --> 01:04:26,239
could find out who made these specific carns and if

1076
01:04:26,239 --> 01:04:27,519
they've been made anywhere else.

1077
01:04:28,199 --> 01:04:28,320
Speaker 2: Uh.

1078
01:04:28,440 --> 01:04:30,840
Speaker 3: And while there are carns and standing stones all over

1079
01:04:30,880 --> 01:04:35,719
the world, like literally there's there's you know, people make

1080
01:04:36,360 --> 01:04:41,360
carns everywhere, right, I really didn't find anything that looked

1081
01:04:41,360 --> 01:04:45,119
the same, you know, they're always different. That was until

1082
01:04:45,119 --> 01:04:50,400
I stumbled across a group, you know, an ancient culture

1083
01:04:50,519 --> 01:04:55,559
called the Red Paint people now the Red Paint people,

1084
01:04:55,840 --> 01:04:59,679
or an ancient you know culture that seemed to thrive

1085
01:04:59,760 --> 01:05:02,920
a lot along the main Sea coast at some time

1086
01:05:03,320 --> 01:05:07,159
thousands and thousands zero. You know, not a whole lot

1087
01:05:07,199 --> 01:05:09,360
is known about these people except that they lived between

1088
01:05:09,360 --> 01:05:12,880
two and six thousand years ago. They were avid deep

1089
01:05:12,960 --> 01:05:16,280
sea fishermen, and they buried their dead with red and

1090
01:05:16,320 --> 01:05:20,159
sometimes yellow ochre, which is where you know they get

1091
01:05:20,159 --> 01:05:23,599
their name from. You know, like I said, not much

1092
01:05:23,679 --> 01:05:25,760
is known about these people. Their bones I've pretty much

1093
01:05:25,840 --> 01:05:29,800
dissolved within the acidic soil, leaving behind only the red

1094
01:05:29,840 --> 01:05:32,639
paint in their graves. So that's that, you know, that's

1095
01:05:32,639 --> 01:05:33,679
where they get their name from.

1096
01:05:34,639 --> 01:05:34,760
Speaker 2: Uh.

1097
01:05:35,800 --> 01:05:38,119
Speaker 3: I think I think some bones have been found, but

1098
01:05:38,199 --> 01:05:40,199
they don't. I don't believe they've been able to get

1099
01:05:40,199 --> 01:05:43,800
any DNA markers out of them.

1100
01:05:43,880 --> 01:05:44,000
Speaker 2: That.

1101
01:05:44,039 --> 01:05:46,119
Speaker 3: There are two things that caught my attention, and that

1102
01:05:46,360 --> 01:05:50,239
was their advanced knowledge of seafaring and the stone carns

1103
01:05:50,280 --> 01:05:56,800
they left behind. Uh, particularly the stone carns at the

1104
01:05:57,159 --> 01:06:02,199
Hurundu Wildlife Refuge in Maine. They're exactly the same as

1105
01:06:02,239 --> 01:06:08,639
the stone carns on Glassonbury Mountain, you know, which led

1106
01:06:08,679 --> 01:06:14,719
me to believe that these ancient seafaring people could have

1107
01:06:15,000 --> 01:06:19,519
made you know, the stone carns that are on Glassonbury Mountains.

1108
01:06:19,519 --> 01:06:22,480
So there's other carns that I know of in this area,

1109
01:06:23,239 --> 01:06:26,159
but they don't look anything like the ones on Glassonbury Mountain.

1110
01:06:26,199 --> 01:06:30,199
And given the age and given the age of these

1111
01:06:30,280 --> 01:06:34,880
Red Paint people, and the fact that we really don't

1112
01:06:34,920 --> 01:06:39,079
know anything about them, you know, we don't know, you know,

1113
01:06:39,119 --> 01:06:42,440
where they went, what happened to them, why they died out.

1114
01:06:42,599 --> 01:06:44,920
We don't know anything about these people. Like they could

1115
01:06:44,920 --> 01:06:49,599
have very well have migrated from the coast Inland, right right.

1116
01:06:51,599 --> 01:06:53,760
So now mystery Hill comes into play when we try

1117
01:06:53,760 --> 01:06:56,440
to figure out who the Red Paint people are or were,

1118
01:06:56,920 --> 01:07:02,079
and where they came from. So and uh Salem, Salem,

1119
01:07:02,159 --> 01:07:06,559
New Hampshire, you know, isn't isn't far away from that

1120
01:07:06,679 --> 01:07:09,119
far away from Maine, you know, the sea coast and

1121
01:07:09,239 --> 01:07:12,440
Maine where these Red Paint people were said to thrive

1122
01:07:13,679 --> 01:07:17,880
at least said to thrive you know, thousands of years ago.

1123
01:07:18,079 --> 01:07:23,039
But like I said, a lot of the uh graves

1124
01:07:23,480 --> 01:07:27,199
where these Red Paint people were originally kind of discovered

1125
01:07:27,480 --> 01:07:29,800
have been destroyed. There was no bones left. The only

1126
01:07:29,840 --> 01:07:33,000
thing there is to mark that they were red paint

1127
01:07:33,000 --> 01:07:35,480
people were the red paint that was left over. So

1128
01:07:35,800 --> 01:07:40,920
most of these these graves were just destroyed when when

1129
01:07:41,000 --> 01:07:44,079
settlers were creating farmland. So this is why we don't

1130
01:07:44,119 --> 01:07:49,159
know a whole lot about them. So I want to, like,

1131
01:07:49,679 --> 01:07:53,880
you know, back at Mystery Hill or America's Stonehenge. On

1132
01:07:54,000 --> 01:07:58,679
a stone within the ruins is an inscription that may

1133
01:07:58,760 --> 01:08:02,559
give insight as to who built America's Stonehenge or who

1134
01:08:02,599 --> 01:08:05,920
the Red Paint people were. Now it's written in Phoenician,

1135
01:08:07,280 --> 01:08:13,039
and it's late uh, and it's dedicated to Ball, you know,

1136
01:08:13,199 --> 01:08:18,439
the the the the ancient god. I'm assuming you've heard

1137
01:08:18,479 --> 01:08:19,239
of Ball before.

1138
01:08:19,560 --> 01:08:23,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's I don't want to dive a whole lot

1139
01:08:23,319 --> 01:08:25,760
into it on this show, but like there's a whole

1140
01:08:25,800 --> 01:08:30,000
big thing going on with that right now. Right now,

1141
01:08:30,840 --> 01:08:34,000
there's some other shows that have been diving into Ball.

1142
01:08:36,000 --> 01:08:38,239
Speaker 3: Really. Yeah, that's fucking weird.

1143
01:08:39,760 --> 01:08:41,199
Speaker 1: I'll talk to you about it here, all fair.

1144
01:08:43,560 --> 01:08:49,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's super weird. So yeah, that that inscription is

1145
01:08:49,760 --> 01:08:54,399
that is that you know Mystery Hill. It's in Phoenician.

1146
01:08:55,119 --> 01:08:59,880
Now the Phoenicians. You know, they were this ancient sea

1147
01:09:00,079 --> 01:09:02,880
faring race of you know people that kind of just

1148
01:09:03,000 --> 01:09:07,439
like went all over the world pretty much. And another

1149
01:09:07,520 --> 01:09:12,279
clue that's found at Mystery Hill. Mystery Hill deals with

1150
01:09:12,479 --> 01:09:14,720
one of the alignment stone. It's the stone known as

1151
01:09:14,760 --> 01:09:18,479
the Summer sunrise stone. So the specific stone is aligned

1152
01:09:18,520 --> 01:09:22,079
obviously with the summer equinox. And you can trace a

1153
01:09:22,119 --> 01:09:25,439
straight line from this stone through the center of one

1154
01:09:25,880 --> 01:09:30,520
of the triathlons at you know, the actual Stonehenge, and

1155
01:09:30,600 --> 01:09:33,279
if you continue that line, it runs all the way

1156
01:09:33,319 --> 01:09:38,399
straight through to Lebanon or I guess Lebanon, you know,

1157
01:09:38,560 --> 01:09:42,079
which is actually the ancestral home of the Phoenicians. So

1158
01:09:42,159 --> 01:09:47,720
does this actually mean anything, Probably not, but it could.

1159
01:09:47,960 --> 01:09:50,520
You know, a lot of these ancient people were really

1160
01:09:50,880 --> 01:09:55,520
dedicated to to you know, this archae astrology and things

1161
01:09:55,560 --> 01:10:02,760
like that. But other evidence, you know, includes a Phoenician

1162
01:10:02,800 --> 01:10:05,720
inscription that was found in Maine. You know, there there's

1163
01:10:05,760 --> 01:10:10,359
a lake in upstate Vermont, you know, way up north

1164
01:10:10,399 --> 01:10:13,319
on the Canadian border that borders you know, Vermont and

1165
01:10:13,640 --> 01:10:17,920
Canada that's called memphrom Maygog. You know, that's a very

1166
01:10:17,960 --> 01:10:22,520
biblical name, especially when it comes to, you know, from

1167
01:10:22,600 --> 01:10:25,760
a you know, the name of the lake comes from

1168
01:10:25,760 --> 01:10:31,039
a pre existing Abenaki word or I guess saying that

1169
01:10:31,079 --> 01:10:33,600
means where there's a big expanse of water. I don't

1170
01:10:33,640 --> 01:10:35,279
know if that has anything to do with anything at all.

1171
01:10:35,359 --> 01:10:37,760
I have no idea however, just a fact that it

1172
01:10:37,800 --> 01:10:40,319
has maygog in it, you know, and we're talking about

1173
01:10:40,319 --> 01:10:48,000
Phoenicians interests me. Yeah, and how it has to do

1174
01:10:48,119 --> 01:10:51,560
you know, it's a pre existing Abenaki word or name,

1175
01:10:52,000 --> 01:10:55,279
so it was embedded within, you know, the the Algonquin

1176
01:10:56,079 --> 01:11:01,239
speaking family group, which is where the Abenaki come from.

1177
01:11:01,479 --> 01:11:04,560
It's just you know, i'd mentioned, you know, these ancient

1178
01:11:05,119 --> 01:11:08,000
tribes that came before the Abanaki and all these other

1179
01:11:08,039 --> 01:11:11,039
tribes we know of it. It can kind of confusing,

1180
01:11:11,079 --> 01:11:13,800
I guess, but who knows.

1181
01:11:13,840 --> 01:11:16,800
Speaker 1: When it comes to like like the Abanathy, I want

1182
01:11:16,800 --> 01:11:19,760
to call them Abernathy. And I don't know why, Like

1183
01:11:20,479 --> 01:11:23,359
I keep thinking that name for some reason. I don't

1184
01:11:23,359 --> 01:11:25,000
even know why. They keep popping in my head every

1185
01:11:25,000 --> 01:11:27,399
time you say it's all I can think is Abernathy.

1186
01:11:28,239 --> 01:11:38,319
But for them, do we know whatever? Like what happened

1187
01:11:38,640 --> 01:11:42,279
with them too? Because I know like most of the

1188
01:11:42,319 --> 01:11:46,279
indigenous peoples, we've all kind of pushed out of there.

1189
01:11:46,720 --> 01:11:50,439
But were they was there still any remnants of them?

1190
01:11:51,640 --> 01:11:55,600
Speaker 3: I mean there's like, yeah, there's there's still like tribe

1191
01:11:55,760 --> 01:11:58,399
members and they have groups and things here, but there's

1192
01:11:58,399 --> 01:12:03,239
no like Abanaki reservation, right know. They kind of just

1193
01:12:03,279 --> 01:12:06,800
like assimilated within you know, the rest of us.

1194
01:12:07,119 --> 01:12:12,720
Speaker 1: The area that I live in is Miami Indian is

1195
01:12:12,720 --> 01:12:16,199
what they call themselves. So I'm not trying to say

1196
01:12:16,560 --> 01:12:19,399
the discriminatory word of Indian, but like they call themselves

1197
01:12:19,439 --> 01:12:22,199
the Miami Indians, and they are the tribes that live

1198
01:12:22,319 --> 01:12:24,720
in the area that I live. I live in Miami County,

1199
01:12:24,840 --> 01:12:27,439
which I'm assuming is named after the fact that the

1200
01:12:27,479 --> 01:12:32,479
Miami Indians or preb blunter here. But they're not a

1201
01:12:32,560 --> 01:12:36,479
recognized tribe, which I don't understand how that. I don't

1202
01:12:36,560 --> 01:12:38,600
understand like the politics of any of that of how

1203
01:12:38,640 --> 01:12:43,119
you become a recognized tribe. But forth for here that's

1204
01:12:43,159 --> 01:12:45,520
what they are. They have their own little area and

1205
01:12:46,319 --> 01:12:48,680
it's not a reservation, but they have their own lands

1206
01:12:48,680 --> 01:12:51,039
where they do some like horse stuff, and they have

1207
01:12:51,119 --> 01:12:54,600
an old school they use for right now, they have

1208
01:12:54,640 --> 01:12:59,359
a haunted house going on. So, uh, they raise money

1209
01:12:59,399 --> 01:13:02,720
for things they do like certain aspects. So again they're

1210
01:13:03,119 --> 01:13:06,279
they're prevalent through here. And I've actually tried to reach

1211
01:13:06,319 --> 01:13:10,399
out to one of the people that's part of the

1212
01:13:10,520 --> 01:13:15,199
actual he's not an elder, but like he's one of

1213
01:13:15,199 --> 01:13:17,359
the ones that runs the thing, and I never gotten

1214
01:13:17,359 --> 01:13:21,199
a response back about something. But I always feel like

1215
01:13:21,239 --> 01:13:25,239
when it comes to like original indigenous people's areas, they

1216
01:13:25,239 --> 01:13:27,840
have a lot of stories and a lot of folklore

1217
01:13:27,880 --> 01:13:32,520
and legends that we might write off as just that

1218
01:13:32,800 --> 01:13:35,840
stories and folklore, But why do they make that up?

1219
01:13:36,359 --> 01:13:37,399
What influenced that?

1220
01:13:38,319 --> 01:13:38,560
Speaker 3: Right?

1221
01:13:38,920 --> 01:13:41,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, That's where I've always been interested in, is like

1222
01:13:41,399 --> 01:13:45,560
finding out what the actual influence was to why they

1223
01:13:45,640 --> 01:13:47,560
tell the stories that they tell. And for some reason

1224
01:13:47,560 --> 01:13:50,239
there's they don't talk about it. And I understand we're

1225
01:13:50,279 --> 01:13:54,279
not part of the tribe, but I'd always love to

1226
01:13:54,279 --> 01:13:56,079
sit down and with some of them just to listen.

1227
01:13:56,960 --> 01:14:01,479
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, that's exactly the you know problem that I've

1228
01:14:01,520 --> 01:14:05,359
run into, Like nobody wants to talk about this with me.

1229
01:14:05,600 --> 01:14:09,479
You know, I've reached out. I've reached out about several

1230
01:14:09,479 --> 01:14:12,279
other things as well, but they're very at least I've

1231
01:14:12,279 --> 01:14:14,800
only ever reached out to, you know, the Abnaki tribe,

1232
01:14:14,800 --> 01:14:17,640
and they're very private. You know, I don't know about

1233
01:14:17,640 --> 01:14:19,600
other tribes, but I'm sure it's the same.

1234
01:14:22,119 --> 01:14:23,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, So that's the only one I've reached out to,

1235
01:14:23,720 --> 01:14:27,119
is he like recently where my local one, and I

1236
01:14:27,159 --> 01:14:30,079
haven't heard anything back, So maybe someday.

1237
01:14:30,880 --> 01:14:34,960
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, but yeah, I mean, I do think that

1238
01:14:35,000 --> 01:14:38,279
the stories that they tell are more credible. They have

1239
01:14:38,319 --> 01:14:41,039
a lot of credibility behind them, just because they're so

1240
01:14:41,159 --> 01:14:44,359
old and well, you know, I don't they talk about

1241
01:14:44,399 --> 01:14:47,079
a lot of strange things that I don't think that

1242
01:14:47,159 --> 01:14:52,680
they would have just made up, right, definitely witnessed something,

1243
01:14:54,560 --> 01:14:56,560
and that's kind of what this whole, my whole theory

1244
01:14:56,600 --> 01:15:00,239
is based off of. But it goes deeper than and that,

1245
01:15:00,319 --> 01:15:04,840
you know, there's kind of hinges on who came before

1246
01:15:04,960 --> 01:15:07,199
the Abanaki were here, is what I'm really trying to

1247
01:15:07,239 --> 01:15:11,800
get at, you know, And I feel like the Phoenicians

1248
01:15:11,840 --> 01:15:15,520
could have very well have been here before the Abanaki,

1249
01:15:15,560 --> 01:15:17,279
And I'm about to get into why I think that,

1250
01:15:18,840 --> 01:15:21,800
and that you know, there's a good chance that some

1251
01:15:21,840 --> 01:15:25,439
of them stayed here and they re existed the Abanaki

1252
01:15:25,479 --> 01:15:28,840
and then the Abnaki kind of came in and kind

1253
01:15:28,840 --> 01:15:34,039
of took over from there, you know. Other than you know,

1254
01:15:34,159 --> 01:15:39,039
Lake memphrom Magog or Mystery Hill. You know, other examples

1255
01:15:39,039 --> 01:15:40,840
that I have would be like the stone chambers that

1256
01:15:40,920 --> 01:15:44,119
nobody knows anything about who built these stone chambers. Some

1257
01:15:44,159 --> 01:15:47,760
people think they were Phoenicians, some people think they were

1258
01:15:48,199 --> 01:15:52,880
you know, ancient Celtic chambers. You know, there's all sorts

1259
01:15:52,880 --> 01:15:55,760
of different theories on them, as well as the stone walls.

1260
01:15:56,399 --> 01:15:59,319
And then we have like you know, the Island Royale

1261
01:15:59,640 --> 01:16:04,920
copper mind, their copper mind, uh, you know, and I think,

1262
01:16:05,199 --> 01:16:11,319
you know, the Copper Harbor ship is like a it's

1263
01:16:11,319 --> 01:16:14,800
a carving in Lake Superior and Copper Harbor. There's this

1264
01:16:15,000 --> 01:16:19,239
huge chunk of copper that kind of like I don't

1265
01:16:19,279 --> 01:16:22,279
know how it got there. It got there somehow. But

1266
01:16:22,640 --> 01:16:25,720
on this this this chunk of copper, there's a carving

1267
01:16:25,840 --> 01:16:32,560
of what looks like a Phoenician ship. And I know

1268
01:16:32,640 --> 01:16:37,600
that a sixth century BC replica Phoenician ship sailed from

1269
01:16:37,640 --> 01:16:41,520
Tunisia to the Dominican Republic and then the north to

1270
01:16:41,960 --> 01:16:45,000
uh to Florida. So the Phoenicians they could have made

1271
01:16:45,000 --> 01:16:49,840
it this far and the dates they kind of add

1272
01:16:49,920 --> 01:16:52,560
up to these sea people though, so the Phoenicians would

1273
01:16:52,560 --> 01:16:56,960
have been on you know, they would have been very

1274
01:16:57,159 --> 01:17:01,960
near the two thousand year mar. So some people believe

1275
01:17:02,039 --> 01:17:04,880
these these these red paint people existed up to six

1276
01:17:04,960 --> 01:17:11,520
thousand years ago, but you know, I really have no idea.

1277
01:17:11,560 --> 01:17:13,760
And if that's the case, then it could not have

1278
01:17:13,840 --> 01:17:19,479
been the Phoenicians. But they were also here as as

1279
01:17:19,680 --> 01:17:22,199
early as two thousand years ago, and that definitely fits

1280
01:17:22,199 --> 01:17:27,159
the timeline. So yeah, so you know, is it possible

1281
01:17:27,560 --> 01:17:31,840
that this mysterious seafaring culture was actually the seafaring culture

1282
01:17:31,840 --> 01:17:34,159
that we know about, you know, the Phoenicians. I think

1283
01:17:34,199 --> 01:17:36,960
it's very possible that it could have been the Phoenicians.

1284
01:17:37,000 --> 01:17:42,039
There's lots of it's strange that there's so many, you know, well,

1285
01:17:42,079 --> 01:17:45,039
I guess there's not a ton, but there is a

1286
01:17:45,079 --> 01:17:49,079
lot of Why is there these Phoenician relics? I guess

1287
01:17:49,119 --> 01:17:51,640
you would call them around here? You know, like the

1288
01:17:53,279 --> 01:17:58,319
copper harbor carving or the the ball carving at Mystery

1289
01:17:58,399 --> 01:18:01,560
Hill or this one and Maine. You know who, why

1290
01:18:01,720 --> 01:18:04,359
why would there be Phoenician things here if they they

1291
01:18:04,399 --> 01:18:07,399
weren't here to begin with, I don't think that that

1292
01:18:07,439 --> 01:18:12,000
people are just running around carving Phoenician stuff, you know,

1293
01:18:12,119 --> 01:18:16,520
hundreds of years ago as some sort of hoax. So yeah,

1294
01:18:16,560 --> 01:18:19,039
so this this advanced seafaring culture, it fits into the

1295
01:18:19,359 --> 01:18:23,560
two thousand year period. But they weren't the only highly

1296
01:18:23,560 --> 01:18:29,800
advanced ship They were the highly advanced ship builders, which

1297
01:18:29,840 --> 01:18:31,800
I think plays a role and how they could have

1298
01:18:31,840 --> 01:18:34,520
got here. You know, the prevalent colonizer as well as

1299
01:18:34,760 --> 01:18:38,560
ambition ambitious merchants. You know, they were the first to

1300
01:18:38,680 --> 01:18:41,039
use iron nails in their ship building, as well as

1301
01:18:41,039 --> 01:18:43,960
the first to sail around Africa from the Red Sea

1302
01:18:44,079 --> 01:18:47,760
to the Mediterranean, you know, setting up colonies and ports

1303
01:18:47,760 --> 01:18:50,079
of trade as you know, as they went. And I

1304
01:18:50,119 --> 01:18:52,800
think it was on this expedition where they kind of

1305
01:18:52,880 --> 01:18:57,880
you know, some of them got lost and sailed to America.

1306
01:18:58,800 --> 01:19:02,279
So there's this theory that you know, Old World, the

1307
01:19:02,359 --> 01:19:05,600
Old World Bronze Age was powered by New World copper

1308
01:19:06,239 --> 01:19:08,600
and it was you know, this need for copper and

1309
01:19:08,640 --> 01:19:11,600
its incredible value that drove you know, people like the

1310
01:19:11,640 --> 01:19:14,880
Phoenicians to New Lands, right, So it would been this

1311
01:19:15,000 --> 01:19:19,880
search for copper that drove them to America. So in

1312
01:19:19,880 --> 01:19:24,680
three hundred and eighty BC, the Greek historian Theopompus wrote

1313
01:19:24,720 --> 01:19:28,079
of a large island west of Gibraltar told to him

1314
01:19:28,079 --> 01:19:30,520
by a Phoenician sailor. You know, was this North America.

1315
01:19:30,560 --> 01:19:35,720
That was one kind of you know, thing that I

1316
01:19:35,760 --> 01:19:37,920
pulled out of of the history books that I thought

1317
01:19:38,000 --> 01:19:42,279
was pretty interesting. But you know, like I said, this

1318
01:19:42,359 --> 01:19:46,600
is all a working theory. So but it does seem

1319
01:19:46,640 --> 01:19:49,880
to fit fairly well in my mind. Uh, you know,

1320
01:19:49,960 --> 01:19:53,079
science will probably never accept the thought that Phoenicians made

1321
01:19:53,119 --> 01:19:56,239
it to North America. I mean, Vikings built a settlement

1322
01:19:56,279 --> 01:20:00,600
on Newfoundland, right, but they refused to believe that they

1323
01:20:01,079 --> 01:20:05,800
Vikings could have made it any farther south. You know,

1324
01:20:05,960 --> 01:20:09,840
there's tons of evidence in Maine or Massachusetts or even

1325
01:20:10,560 --> 01:20:13,720
you know, even South Newfoundland that there were Vikings there,

1326
01:20:13,720 --> 01:20:16,279
but they still refuse to believe that they could have

1327
01:20:16,319 --> 01:20:21,560
made it any further than the tip of Newfoundland. So

1328
01:20:21,600 --> 01:20:26,159
it's no wonder that there's been so much pushback against

1329
01:20:26,760 --> 01:20:32,520
you know, pre Columbian Phoenician contact. So I guess just

1330
01:20:32,560 --> 01:20:35,680
a recap really quick. You know, we have mysterious mountain

1331
01:20:36,000 --> 01:20:39,479
the center of the Bennington Triangle. We have Old World

1332
01:20:39,640 --> 01:20:43,520
God rumored to live on that mountain. We have ritualistic

1333
01:20:43,600 --> 01:20:46,800
stones stacked near the summit of the mountain that are

1334
01:20:46,840 --> 01:20:50,039
thousands of years old, centuries older than the Abenaki or

1335
01:20:50,039 --> 01:20:54,600
the original settlers. We have an unknown seafaring people who

1336
01:20:54,600 --> 01:20:57,720
could have come from the Old World, possibly Phoenicians or

1337
01:20:57,760 --> 01:21:01,079
maybe even Celtic. You know, it's possible. Uh did these

1338
01:21:01,079 --> 01:21:04,680
people migrate from the Sea coast to Glassonbury Mountain as

1339
01:21:04,720 --> 01:21:10,079
the ritualistic carns would suggest. Is it possible that a

1340
01:21:10,119 --> 01:21:13,920
godlike entity existed on Mount Glastonbury. Those are kind of

1341
01:21:13,920 --> 01:21:17,840
the questions that I've been pondering. Now, Like I said before,

1342
01:21:17,880 --> 01:21:21,199
this is a working theory, so I'm constantly doing research

1343
01:21:21,239 --> 01:21:24,039
on this. There's probably so much more information that I

1344
01:21:24,119 --> 01:21:27,760
simply just can't access at the time. But there's another

1345
01:21:27,800 --> 01:21:31,359
connection between Maine and the Bennington Triangle that deals with

1346
01:21:31,399 --> 01:21:36,119
another godlike creature. So from what I understand, the Wabanaki

1347
01:21:36,119 --> 01:21:41,920
Confederate consists of five tribes, the Malasey, the Macaque or

1348
01:21:42,079 --> 01:21:47,760
the Micmac, the pastege this on this one's difficult. The

1349
01:21:48,399 --> 01:21:52,439
past and mcquaddie, the panob Scott than the Abanaki. So

1350
01:21:52,439 --> 01:21:55,560
those are the five tribes of the Confederation. And out

1351
01:21:55,560 --> 01:21:59,199
of those five tribes, the panob Scott and then Abanaki

1352
01:21:59,279 --> 01:22:03,000
share very similar beliefs when it comes to Tabaldac versus

1353
01:22:03,000 --> 01:22:06,520
the Great Spirit. So the majority of the Confederation believe

1354
01:22:06,600 --> 01:22:10,760
in the Great Spirit being the Creator God, while the

1355
01:22:11,319 --> 01:22:15,600
Abanaki and the Panobscot, which are from Maine, you know,

1356
01:22:15,840 --> 01:22:24,560
southern Maine, believe in Tabaldak being the Creator God. Uh.

1357
01:22:24,840 --> 01:22:27,159
But other than believe, you know, believing in Talbaldak, these

1358
01:22:27,159 --> 01:22:33,520
two tribes tell stories of a god preacher named Themola.

1359
01:22:33,920 --> 01:22:37,600
You know, this is the thunderbird like Kaimera, with the

1360
01:22:37,640 --> 01:22:41,840
ability to control the winds, that resides on a you know,

1361
01:22:42,000 --> 01:22:45,439
this mountain. It's the tallest mountain in Maine called Mount Catatan.

1362
01:22:46,840 --> 01:22:52,840
So this this this thunderbird God. You know, it as

1363
01:22:52,840 --> 01:22:55,159
the head of a moose, the body of a man,

1364
01:22:55,880 --> 01:22:58,399
you know, and the wings and claws of an eagle.

1365
01:22:58,880 --> 01:23:01,560
And it's described in the stories, you know, in the

1366
01:23:01,640 --> 01:23:05,239
legends as being the pet of tallball deck. It's also

1367
01:23:07,560 --> 01:23:09,960
you know, kind of sounds an awful lot like one

1368
01:23:09,960 --> 01:23:12,640
of the nephilum that Gary Wayne talks about. You know,

1369
01:23:12,680 --> 01:23:17,600
he suggests that that Nephilum survived the flood, and that

1370
01:23:17,640 --> 01:23:20,399
there were different you know, different tribes of Nephilum that

1371
01:23:20,520 --> 01:23:26,119
looked different right there. You know, there's eagles, there were lions, uh,

1372
01:23:26,399 --> 01:23:30,760
you know, rams and and and bulls. You know, these

1373
01:23:30,800 --> 01:23:33,279
these Nephilim that kind of looked like you know, eagles

1374
01:23:33,319 --> 01:23:35,399
and rams and things like that, and that they kind

1375
01:23:35,439 --> 01:23:40,079
of kind of spread out throughout the world. There wasn't

1376
01:23:40,279 --> 01:23:43,520
just they didn't just stay within the Holy Land. So

1377
01:23:43,560 --> 01:23:47,479
I did you know, I did some research on the

1378
01:23:47,640 --> 01:23:50,399
one from Japanese Low. This is just a side thing.

1379
01:23:50,920 --> 01:23:53,000
I did some research on the one, and I'm pretty

1380
01:23:53,039 --> 01:23:57,520
sure that the one, which are you know, demon like

1381
01:23:58,000 --> 01:24:02,840
giants of Japanese law. Pretty sure the one were Nephilim. Right,

1382
01:24:02,880 --> 01:24:06,039
they talk about them having six fingers, like the Nephilum,

1383
01:24:06,079 --> 01:24:08,079
you know, you can only kill them if you cut

1384
01:24:08,079 --> 01:24:11,560
off their heads. Now, this is all like when you

1385
01:24:11,560 --> 01:24:13,439
talk about the Nephilim, you talk about how you have

1386
01:24:13,560 --> 01:24:16,159
to cut their heads off, how they had six fingers,

1387
01:24:16,439 --> 01:24:18,840
you know, things like that. So you know, it's just

1388
01:24:18,880 --> 01:24:24,319
another example of how they how they spread throughout the world.

1389
01:24:25,399 --> 01:24:28,800
So you know, when you think in those kind of terms,

1390
01:24:28,840 --> 01:24:34,319
you know this, this this Pamola being sounds an awful

1391
01:24:34,359 --> 01:24:35,880
lot like one of the nephilum.

1392
01:24:36,520 --> 01:24:37,920
Speaker 1: Uh.

1393
01:24:38,199 --> 01:24:41,199
Speaker 3: Now, if Pamola is a nephilim, what is Tallball Deck? Right?

1394
01:24:41,319 --> 01:24:43,520
I guess that's the main question I was kind of

1395
01:24:43,520 --> 01:24:45,880
getting at. Common sense would dictate that Tall Ball Deck

1396
01:24:46,119 --> 01:24:49,319
is a nephilim as well. Right. Well, I know, uh,

1397
01:24:49,760 --> 01:24:52,800
I kind of dropped a lot of convoluted details. But

1398
01:24:52,840 --> 01:24:55,119
there's one piece I want to drag back to the forefront,

1399
01:24:55,159 --> 01:24:59,000
and that isn't the inscription found at Mystery Hill in

1400
01:24:59,039 --> 01:25:03,399
the Hampshire. Like I said on you know, the stone

1401
01:25:03,439 --> 01:25:06,359
at the ruins is a Phoenician inscription and the inscription

1402
01:25:06,520 --> 01:25:13,119
says to Ball on behalf of the Canaanites. This is dedicated.

1403
01:25:14,520 --> 01:25:18,279
So you know, was Ball transported to this land, did

1404
01:25:18,279 --> 01:25:20,840
he arrive with the others, did he come later? Was

1405
01:25:20,840 --> 01:25:24,079
he injured? Was something else injured? We'll probably never know

1406
01:25:24,159 --> 01:25:28,079
for sure. But there's one final piece of Mystery Hill

1407
01:25:28,399 --> 01:25:30,279
that I think plays a role and who the red

1408
01:25:30,279 --> 01:25:33,479
paint people could be and what Tallball doc is. And

1409
01:25:33,520 --> 01:25:38,279
this piece is something called the sacrifice Sacrificial slab. Now,

1410
01:25:38,279 --> 01:25:41,239
the slab of rock located at the center of the

1411
01:25:41,279 --> 01:25:45,000
complex is relatively human size, as though it was placed

1412
01:25:45,000 --> 01:25:48,359
there to support a body, you know, and that there

1413
01:25:48,359 --> 01:25:52,159
are these these drainage channels carved around the outside to

1414
01:25:52,199 --> 01:25:55,199
allow blood to drain out right, you know. So were

1415
01:25:55,199 --> 01:25:59,800
they sacrificing people at Mystery Hill? You know, if they did,

1416
01:25:59,840 --> 01:26:03,199
the bodies were there, they're long gone now, there's you know,

1417
01:26:03,479 --> 01:26:05,439
this was would have been thousands of years ago.

1418
01:26:05,720 --> 01:26:05,840
Speaker 2: Uh.

1419
01:26:09,119 --> 01:26:10,600
Speaker 3: But if they were, you know, what was the point

1420
01:26:10,640 --> 01:26:13,199
of that? Were they making these sacrifices? And Ball's name

1421
01:26:13,880 --> 01:26:14,960
and so to what end?

1422
01:26:16,039 --> 01:26:16,199
Speaker 2: You know?

1423
01:26:16,239 --> 01:26:22,960
Speaker 3: I believe that whatever they were pulling from with some

1424
01:26:23,000 --> 01:26:25,720
sort of nephelum like creature. I don't know if it

1425
01:26:25,760 --> 01:26:29,600
was Ball himself, that whoever tall Ball doc is. I

1426
01:26:29,600 --> 01:26:32,199
think he's some sort of old world nephelim that is

1427
01:26:32,359 --> 01:26:36,960
was you know now resides within the Benington Triangle. Uh.

1428
01:26:37,000 --> 01:26:40,239
You know these red paint people, you know, they were

1429
01:26:40,279 --> 01:26:44,039
worshiping them up there at some point, and and now

1430
01:26:44,079 --> 01:26:47,840
he's just I guess laid dormant until I guess they

1431
01:26:47,920 --> 01:26:51,520
cut down all the trees back in the triangle when

1432
01:26:51,560 --> 01:26:53,399
they had their you know, they were cutting all these

1433
01:26:53,439 --> 01:27:00,880
trees down to to make a charcoal with the kind

1434
01:27:00,880 --> 01:27:02,840
of woke him up. Maybe, I don't know. This is

1435
01:27:03,119 --> 01:27:06,199
kind of the theory that I've been working with. You know,

1436
01:27:06,319 --> 01:27:08,439
he was putting off some sort of energy that was

1437
01:27:08,479 --> 01:27:12,680
you know, they were hearing inhuman screams and seeing shadow

1438
01:27:12,720 --> 01:27:14,880
people in the woods and the abanak. He said this

1439
01:27:14,960 --> 01:27:17,880
land was cursed, you know, So he was putting off

1440
01:27:17,880 --> 01:27:20,760
some sort of paranormal energy at some point. But I

1441
01:27:20,800 --> 01:27:23,600
think he's really putting off some some more energy now

1442
01:27:24,159 --> 01:27:28,359
that you know he's kind of woken up. I guess

1443
01:27:28,399 --> 01:27:32,079
that's kind of what I have on tall Ball Deck.

1444
01:27:32,159 --> 01:27:35,119
I mean, I tried to put it as much as

1445
01:27:35,159 --> 01:27:39,640
I could into kind of like a like a timeline

1446
01:27:40,000 --> 01:27:41,760
as best as I could, but there there was a

1447
01:27:41,800 --> 01:27:44,680
lot to go there. But while I was looking into

1448
01:27:44,760 --> 01:27:49,760
tall Ball Deck, I came across a chemist. Now this

1449
01:27:49,840 --> 01:27:53,199
is all allegedly, So this guy he's dead, he's not

1450
01:27:53,319 --> 01:27:55,439
he's not alive anymore, and I don't want to soil

1451
01:27:55,520 --> 01:27:59,760
his good name. So this is all allegedly. However, I

1452
01:27:59,760 --> 01:28:09,439
can't across rumors of a secret bryonic lab. So they

1453
01:28:09,479 --> 01:28:15,560
were doing work in cryonics in it was supposedly inside

1454
01:28:15,920 --> 01:28:20,199
the mountain inside this mountain called Mount Equinox, which is,

1455
01:28:20,479 --> 01:28:24,119
you know, a few miles away from the Bennington Triangle.

1456
01:28:24,720 --> 01:28:27,760
And then this doctor Davidson he's connected to, like oak

1457
01:28:27,880 --> 01:28:34,199
Ridge Labs he's connected to. He led a team that

1458
01:28:34,359 --> 01:28:39,760
was pretty much directly under Oppenheimer and developing the nuclear bomb.

1459
01:28:40,279 --> 01:28:43,159
Like this, this dude was in some into some serious

1460
01:28:43,720 --> 01:28:49,920
top secret work. Uh, and I think he could be

1461
01:28:50,279 --> 01:28:53,239
now this is all you know, I don't I don't

1462
01:28:53,239 --> 01:28:54,520
want to get in trouble for saying this, and I

1463
01:28:54,560 --> 01:28:56,039
don't know if I can get in trouble for saying

1464
01:28:56,039 --> 01:28:59,239
this or not. But he, you know, this top secret

1465
01:28:59,319 --> 01:29:04,880
lab could be behind why those five people went missing

1466
01:29:06,640 --> 01:29:11,439
in the nineteen forties. You know, the timelines all at up.

1467
01:29:11,479 --> 01:29:15,279
Doctor Davidson would have just been getting back from oak

1468
01:29:15,399 --> 01:29:19,960
Ridge Labs when those first people started going missing. He

1469
01:29:21,319 --> 01:29:24,000
you know, this guy was like he definitely had some money.

1470
01:29:24,000 --> 01:29:28,159
So he bought not eleven miles worth of this mountain

1471
01:29:28,439 --> 01:29:31,079
and he built all these like he built like a

1472
01:29:34,079 --> 01:29:36,840
an old. He wanted to make a ski resort on

1473
01:29:36,840 --> 01:29:39,119
the mountain, right, so he started to build a ski lodge.

1474
01:29:39,119 --> 01:29:44,239
He built a ski lodge and then see if I

1475
01:29:44,239 --> 01:29:50,279
can find the dude's name. I want his full name. Well,

1476
01:29:50,359 --> 01:29:52,560
let me just start from the beginning. I guess this

1477
01:29:52,720 --> 01:29:56,439
won't take very long. I don't I'm still kind of

1478
01:29:56,479 --> 01:30:00,760
piecing this one definitely together. But so you know, earlier

1479
01:30:00,800 --> 01:30:03,560
I had mentioned those several people who had gotten missing

1480
01:30:03,600 --> 01:30:07,399
within the triangle. Now this was just a complete mystery

1481
01:30:07,439 --> 01:30:10,119
during the nineteen forties and fifties, but it's still pretty

1482
01:30:10,199 --> 01:30:12,359
much a complete mystery today. You know, only one of

1483
01:30:12,359 --> 01:30:16,560
them was ever found, even she was found several months after,

1484
01:30:17,560 --> 01:30:19,680
but the rest of them have never been found. Nothing

1485
01:30:19,720 --> 01:30:23,520
has ever been found of them. You know, maybe they're

1486
01:30:23,520 --> 01:30:27,239
they're they're in some sort of crevice up there. But

1487
01:30:27,319 --> 01:30:30,479
I mean, this is this is Vermont. It's not like,

1488
01:30:32,600 --> 01:30:35,560
you know, this mountain's only four thousand feet tall. It's

1489
01:30:35,600 --> 01:30:39,319
not like a fourteen thousand foot mountain, right, There's not

1490
01:30:40,199 --> 01:30:42,439
a whole lot of places that you can hide a

1491
01:30:42,479 --> 01:30:47,239
body for that long. I feel like, especially when when

1492
01:30:47,560 --> 01:30:52,680
the mountain's been scoured and was scoured, you know, not

1493
01:30:52,880 --> 01:30:55,079
long after these people went missing. So I feel like

1494
01:30:55,880 --> 01:30:58,720
if they went missing on accident, like they fell down

1495
01:30:58,800 --> 01:31:01,439
or hit their head or something right and rolled into

1496
01:31:01,600 --> 01:31:04,880
to I don't know, a hole in the ground, someone

1497
01:31:04,920 --> 01:31:05,920
would have found him right now.

1498
01:31:06,920 --> 01:31:07,600
Speaker 1: So it is.

1499
01:31:09,119 --> 01:31:11,159
Speaker 3: Still strange that no one has ever found, not even

1500
01:31:11,239 --> 01:31:15,880
one body other than Freedom Langer. But she doesn't necessarily

1501
01:31:15,880 --> 01:31:19,079
count because she was found fairly recently after she went missing.

1502
01:31:19,640 --> 01:31:25,399
So yeah, again, So we had Midi Rivers who went

1503
01:31:25,399 --> 01:31:28,880
missing on November twelfth, nineteen forty five, PAULA Weldon December first,

1504
01:31:29,039 --> 01:31:33,239
nineteen forty six, James Tedford December first, nineteen forty nine,

1505
01:31:33,720 --> 01:31:39,920
Paul Jepsum October nineteen fifty, and Freedom Langer October of

1506
01:31:40,000 --> 01:31:42,680
nineteen fifty. So there, you know, like I said earlier,

1507
01:31:42,680 --> 01:31:45,800
I don't like to put a lot of stock in

1508
01:31:45,880 --> 01:31:47,279
this serial killer.

1509
01:31:47,039 --> 01:31:47,840
Speaker 1: Theory, right.

1510
01:31:47,880 --> 01:31:51,199
Speaker 3: I want to talk about like these these man eating stones.

1511
01:31:51,239 --> 01:31:52,960
You know, did one of these people step on a

1512
01:31:52,960 --> 01:31:56,439
man eating stone and like get transported to another realm

1513
01:31:56,520 --> 01:31:58,520
or something? You know, That's the kind of stuff I

1514
01:31:58,520 --> 01:32:03,319
want to talk about. But I found doctor Davidson and

1515
01:32:03,399 --> 01:32:07,199
his secret chronics lab, and I really got to wondering,

1516
01:32:07,239 --> 01:32:11,439
you know, where these people taken by doctor Davidson to

1517
01:32:11,520 --> 01:32:14,760
be like, you know, test subjects. I don't you know,

1518
01:32:14,800 --> 01:32:18,279
I don't know this was this would have been If

1519
01:32:18,319 --> 01:32:20,880
everything adds up properly, this would have been right around

1520
01:32:20,880 --> 01:32:24,279
the time when his lab, the Secret Lab, would have

1521
01:32:24,319 --> 01:32:28,279
been starting off. One thing, you know, there's there's really

1522
01:32:28,319 --> 01:32:30,199
not like there's not a whole lot of evidence of

1523
01:32:30,199 --> 01:32:32,039
what happened to these people. One thing that does jump

1524
01:32:32,119 --> 01:32:35,039
out to me is the time of year that the

1525
01:32:35,119 --> 01:32:38,359
different disappearances took place, you know, in the fall, between

1526
01:32:38,359 --> 01:32:43,359
October and December. What this means, I don't know. There's

1527
01:32:43,359 --> 01:32:47,000
really no specific pattern other than the months they took place,

1528
01:32:48,760 --> 01:32:51,520
but there are some peculiar facts, and that is Paula

1529
01:32:51,560 --> 01:32:54,680
Weldon and James Tedford are believed to have gone missing

1530
01:32:54,720 --> 01:32:59,199
on the same day December first, three years apart, and

1531
01:32:59,319 --> 01:33:01,800
there's a two week period between the disappearance of Paul

1532
01:33:01,880 --> 01:33:05,800
Jepson and FRIEDA. Langer in October of nineteen fifty four.

1533
01:33:05,840 --> 01:33:09,560
Of the five individuals were wearing a red jacket of

1534
01:33:09,600 --> 01:33:13,840
some kind. There are several theories of what happened to

1535
01:33:13,880 --> 01:33:16,239
these people, the most obvious of which is a serial

1536
01:33:16,319 --> 01:33:19,600
killer theory, which, like I said, I don't necessarily took

1537
01:33:19,640 --> 01:33:22,439
a lot of stock in until I found you know,

1538
01:33:22,840 --> 01:33:29,560
doctor Joseph George Davidson in the secret Chronics Lab. Little background.

1539
01:33:29,600 --> 01:33:31,399
I always like to get into the history of things.

1540
01:33:31,439 --> 01:33:37,760
So doctor Davidson was an incredibly successful chemist, inventor and

1541
01:33:37,920 --> 01:33:41,800
businessman who would end up buying eleven square miles of

1542
01:33:41,840 --> 01:33:45,159
Mount Equinox in Manchester, Vermont to retire on.

1543
01:33:45,720 --> 01:33:45,760
Speaker 2: So.

1544
01:33:45,760 --> 01:33:48,840
Speaker 3: He was born on February seventh, eighteen ninety two and

1545
01:33:48,880 --> 01:33:52,680
would go on to receive his doctorate in chemistry from

1546
01:33:52,720 --> 01:33:57,279
Columbia University University in nineteen eighteen. He would then take

1547
01:33:57,319 --> 01:34:00,199
his doctorate and put it to good use for the

1548
01:34:00,199 --> 01:34:05,640
military during World War One. As a first lieutenant in

1549
01:34:05,680 --> 01:34:09,199
the Army, Davidson would help develop mustard gas for the

1550
01:34:09,199 --> 01:34:12,319
front lines. Like I'm telling you, this dude was. He

1551
01:34:12,399 --> 01:34:17,399
did some serious military work, and I think that it

1552
01:34:17,439 --> 01:34:23,680
plays a role in you know what. I think his

1553
01:34:23,760 --> 01:34:26,720
military work definitely plays a role in this secret lab. So,

1554
01:34:28,720 --> 01:34:31,640
but this wouldn't be the only time that he collaborated

1555
01:34:31,680 --> 01:34:33,960
with the army. So, in fact, doctor Davison would partake

1556
01:34:34,199 --> 01:34:38,520
in the biggest scientific breakthrough probably ever. Right, Doctor Davidson

1557
01:34:38,560 --> 01:34:44,119
would head Union Carbines contract to produce enriched uranium through

1558
01:34:44,239 --> 01:34:47,840
gaseous diffusion in the K twenty five building at Oak

1559
01:34:47,960 --> 01:34:51,720
Ridge Labs under the Manhattan Project. So this guy he

1560
01:34:51,920 --> 01:34:55,119
operated a top secret base, you know, a top secret

1561
01:34:55,199 --> 01:34:58,760
lab out of the topest of top secret orders.

1562
01:34:59,199 --> 01:34:59,399
Speaker 1: Right.

1563
01:35:00,079 --> 01:35:03,640
Speaker 3: He wasn't just some grunt pushing switches, you know, this guy,

1564
01:35:03,720 --> 01:35:07,239
he was in the know. This guy was in charge.

1565
01:35:08,720 --> 01:35:11,720
I can only imagine how, you know, many connections Doctor

1566
01:35:11,800 --> 01:35:16,399
Davidson would have made in the military industrial complex, you know,

1567
01:35:17,079 --> 01:35:22,840
as team leader of this this diffusion process. And I

1568
01:35:22,920 --> 01:35:25,239
don't think this is the last time Doctor Davidson would

1569
01:35:25,279 --> 01:35:31,760
operate a secret lab. Like I said, So, after the war,

1570
01:35:31,880 --> 01:35:35,439
doctor Davidson would return to Mount Equinox where he would

1571
01:35:35,479 --> 01:35:38,720
begin buying land. You know, he had begun buying land

1572
01:35:38,720 --> 01:35:42,520
in nineteen thirty nine. So where does you know this

1573
01:35:42,640 --> 01:35:47,159
mysterious chronics lab come into play. Well, several years ago,

1574
01:35:47,560 --> 01:35:52,439
a cryptic Wikipedia entry just appeared on the website, right,

1575
01:35:52,760 --> 01:35:57,720
and this mysterious entry was about a secret cryonics lab. Now,

1576
01:35:57,760 --> 01:36:01,000
this chronics deals with the freezing of human bodies and

1577
01:36:01,039 --> 01:36:06,119
the hopes of you know, reviving them during the thawing process,

1578
01:36:06,159 --> 01:36:10,079
you know, in the future. At some point. This specific

1579
01:36:10,159 --> 01:36:13,359
chronics lab was geared towards working with individuals who had

1580
01:36:13,479 --> 01:36:17,720
high IQs. I haven't been able to find the original

1581
01:36:17,720 --> 01:36:22,439
wiki page as it was eventually deleted, but essentially they

1582
01:36:22,479 --> 01:36:26,960
were bordering on eugenics. This was like eugenic stuff, right,

1583
01:36:28,640 --> 01:36:30,560
And while not much is known about it, we do

1584
01:36:30,680 --> 01:36:34,199
know that in the early nineteen sixties, this chronics lab

1585
01:36:34,279 --> 01:36:37,319
went bottom up due to some sort of fraud case.

1586
01:36:39,960 --> 01:36:46,079
So even though it's supposedly a secret lab, somehow some

1587
01:36:46,159 --> 01:36:51,520
sort of fraud case was able to to, you know,

1588
01:36:51,680 --> 01:36:57,119
take this whole operation down. I don't know what. I

1589
01:36:57,159 --> 01:36:59,439
don't necessarily know how that works or not, but it

1590
01:36:59,479 --> 01:37:02,039
seems we it's you know, it's almost like somebody knew

1591
01:37:02,840 --> 01:37:05,680
about this lab like it. And I want to say

1592
01:37:05,680 --> 01:37:08,000
the military, right, the military knew about this lab and

1593
01:37:08,079 --> 01:37:11,399
maybe something happened, but doctor Davidson pissed them off somehow

1594
01:37:11,600 --> 01:37:13,560
and they kind of cut his funding. I don't know,

1595
01:37:13,600 --> 01:37:15,880
I don't exactly know. I mean, but once you you know,

1596
01:37:16,199 --> 01:37:20,399
you you operate a secret lab at at oak Ridge Labs,

1597
01:37:20,439 --> 01:37:23,560
you're you know, you could probably operate another secret lab

1598
01:37:24,000 --> 01:37:26,279
wherever the hell you want, pretty much is what I

1599
01:37:26,319 --> 01:37:29,000
get the feeling. You know, oak Ridge is definitely they

1600
01:37:29,039 --> 01:37:33,680
do some crazy shit there, you know, you hear about like,

1601
01:37:34,960 --> 01:37:37,520
you know, they have a super collider in there and

1602
01:37:37,520 --> 01:37:40,880
they're trying to open portals and things. Right, I kind

1603
01:37:40,880 --> 01:37:44,119
of get the feeling that doctor Davidson this this is

1604
01:37:44,239 --> 01:37:47,119
just something that I get the feeling. You know that

1605
01:37:47,439 --> 01:37:50,920
doctor Davidson found one of these man eating rocks at

1606
01:37:50,920 --> 01:37:55,279
some point, right and told Oakridge Labs about it. You know, this,

1607
01:37:55,279 --> 01:38:00,960
this this inter dimensional portal, told them about it, and

1608
01:38:01,000 --> 01:38:04,039
then you know, that's how they started working on these

1609
01:38:05,399 --> 01:38:08,800
interdimensional portals within oak Ridge. I don't necessarily know if

1610
01:38:08,800 --> 01:38:11,439
that's true or not, but it you know, it's awfully strange.

1611
01:38:11,439 --> 01:38:16,199
How you have this this Oakridge Lab scientist living right

1612
01:38:16,279 --> 01:38:24,640
next to these ancient, uh interdimensional portals. It's strange. So

1613
01:38:24,840 --> 01:38:29,600
the the Wikipedia entry also talked about a secret entrance

1614
01:38:29,680 --> 01:38:34,039
located somewhere on the mountain. Now, no one I've talked

1615
01:38:34,079 --> 01:38:36,760
to has ever found it, but I talked to several

1616
01:38:36,800 --> 01:38:39,680
people who think they might have located it on Google Earth.

1617
01:38:40,079 --> 01:38:41,800
They haven't been able to get out there. And look,

1618
01:38:42,119 --> 01:38:44,920
I've also talked to people from the Historical Society who

1619
01:38:45,039 --> 01:38:48,800
say they've scoured the mountain for you know, this secret

1620
01:38:48,880 --> 01:38:52,760
lab that you know, but they they nothing exists of it,

1621
01:38:52,800 --> 01:38:57,079
and they don't they don't believe that it's real. But

1622
01:38:57,159 --> 01:38:59,520
we do know that there are caves on the mountain

1623
01:38:59,560 --> 01:39:02,640
that caves that are so deep, like the Skinner's Cave.

1624
01:39:03,000 --> 01:39:05,520
It's a cave on the mountain called Skinner's Cave that

1625
01:39:05,560 --> 01:39:09,159
they hold ice year around. Now I'm not saying that

1626
01:39:09,199 --> 01:39:11,760
means anything, but it could suggest that the entrance is

1627
01:39:11,760 --> 01:39:12,279
in a cave.

1628
01:39:12,600 --> 01:39:12,840
Speaker 2: Right.

1629
01:39:13,640 --> 01:39:17,159
Speaker 3: So doctor Davidson's initial plan was to construct a ski

1630
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resort on the mountain, and he contemplated this idea. And

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01:39:21,640 --> 01:39:25,600
while he contemplated this idea, he built a lodge in

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01:39:25,680 --> 01:39:28,399
a valley near the summit. And I couldn't get an

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01:39:28,439 --> 01:39:32,359
exact year, but it was as early as nineteen thirty nine.

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01:39:33,880 --> 01:39:38,560
Between nineteen thirty nine and nineteen forty five. Now, I

1635
01:39:38,600 --> 01:39:42,640
couldn't get a whole lot of dates on anything. I

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01:39:42,640 --> 01:39:45,039
had asked the Historical Society, but they didn't really know.

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01:39:45,960 --> 01:39:48,399
But from what we do know, his friend Fred Pabst

1638
01:39:48,479 --> 01:39:52,760
of PABs Blue Ribbon Brewing Company, gave up on his

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01:39:52,760 --> 01:39:55,199
own ski resort in East Dorset, which is not too

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01:39:55,199 --> 01:39:59,640
far away from Manchester, in the nineteen thirties. So Fred

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01:39:59,680 --> 01:40:05,199
pap convinced doctor Davidson did not build a ski resort right,

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01:40:05,560 --> 01:40:09,119
so he had built a ski lodge, and then he

1643
01:40:09,199 --> 01:40:11,319
was convinced to not build the ski resort, so he

1644
01:40:11,359 --> 01:40:13,800
gave up on that, but the lodge was still there,

1645
01:40:14,560 --> 01:40:19,960
and I believe the lab is located under the lodge.

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01:40:20,199 --> 01:40:23,680
By nineteen forty seven, he had finished construction on a

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01:40:23,760 --> 01:40:26,119
five mile road from the bottom of the mountain to

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01:40:26,159 --> 01:40:31,880
the top. By nineteen forty nine, the Skyline Inn was opened.

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01:40:31,960 --> 01:40:36,760
By nineteen fifty three, Skyline Drive was fully paved. Now

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01:40:36,760 --> 01:40:41,439
this is the longest privately owned paved road in the country.

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01:40:44,880 --> 01:40:48,399
In the late nineteen fifties, Doctor Davidson would then befriend

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01:40:48,680 --> 01:40:53,920
a Carthusian monk named Brother Paul. Brother Paul hadn't yet

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01:40:53,960 --> 01:40:56,640
taken his vows, so he was still able to speak

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01:40:56,640 --> 01:41:00,479
with doctor Davidson and his wife and David and would

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01:41:00,560 --> 01:41:04,680
end up renting his abandoned ski lodge to the order

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01:41:05,279 --> 01:41:08,199
to use as their their charterhouse. You know, their their

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01:41:08,279 --> 01:41:14,720
current charterhouse was not in a prime location, so they

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01:41:14,720 --> 01:41:18,560
were they were you know, Doctor Davidson allowed them to

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01:41:18,720 --> 01:41:23,159
use this abandoned ski lodge no as their their charter House.

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01:41:23,199 --> 01:41:28,520
So who are the Carthulians, right, the Carthulians, And I'm

1661
01:41:28,600 --> 01:41:31,920
totally saying that wrong. That is not I can't pronounce

1662
01:41:31,960 --> 01:41:36,520
the name Carsousians or something like that. And my, my,

1663
01:41:36,520 --> 01:41:39,960
my backwoods accident does not allow me to say this word.

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01:41:41,239 --> 01:41:47,319
The Carthulians are an enclosed Catholic religious order dating back

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01:41:47,399 --> 01:41:49,720
nearly a thousand years. They take their name from the

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01:41:49,760 --> 01:41:56,840
original hermitage, constructed in the Shartouche Mountains in ten eighty.

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01:41:57,720 --> 01:42:00,960
They take a vow of silence particular, practice a unique

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01:42:01,079 --> 01:42:05,119
ritual called the Carthusian Right, and are famous for the

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01:42:05,159 --> 01:42:09,560
wine they make. Now, after several years of friendship, in

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01:42:09,600 --> 01:42:14,199
the nineteen sixties, doctor Davidson begins gifting parcels of land

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01:42:14,239 --> 01:42:17,319
to the order and they would remodel the abandoned lodge,

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01:42:17,359 --> 01:42:22,439
turning it into the Charterhouse of Transfiguration. Now you can

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01:42:23,119 --> 01:42:26,079
go to you can't necessarily go to this place today,

1674
01:42:26,319 --> 01:42:28,560
but you can drive up Skyline Drive and you can

1675
01:42:28,600 --> 01:42:33,079
see it. It's still operated. Monks still live there. And

1676
01:42:33,119 --> 01:42:37,560
it just so happens that when they begin construction on

1677
01:42:37,640 --> 01:42:43,159
this Charterhouse, supposedly you know, the secret lab goes out

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01:42:43,159 --> 01:42:46,960
of business. Isn't that that's a little weird, And that's

1679
01:42:47,000 --> 01:42:49,399
really I mean, I got a lot of speculative stuff

1680
01:42:49,439 --> 01:42:52,079
that I got, but those are really the facts that

1681
01:42:52,119 --> 01:42:55,479
I know about. You know, like this chronics lab is

1682
01:42:55,520 --> 01:42:58,439
located beneath the charterhouse, is what I believe. It's in

1683
01:42:58,479 --> 01:43:01,920
the perfect location. It's this you know, remote valley, far

1684
01:43:02,000 --> 01:43:05,600
away from prying eyes. The public aren't allowed there, right

1685
01:43:06,199 --> 01:43:09,039
the you know, the orders there you can't go necessarily

1686
01:43:09,079 --> 01:43:11,000
anywhere near it. I think they opened it to the

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01:43:11,000 --> 01:43:14,239
public for one day when when it first opened in

1688
01:43:14,319 --> 01:43:17,319
like the seventies. Yeah, I mean, those are really just

1689
01:43:17,319 --> 01:43:19,760
the facts that I have. Doctor Davidson's you know, dream

1690
01:43:19,800 --> 01:43:22,680
resort may have been some sort of cover for something

1691
01:43:22,760 --> 01:43:25,920
much more sinister, which would have been why the resort

1692
01:43:26,000 --> 01:43:30,760
was never actually finished. Uh, very possible that doctor Davison found,

1693
01:43:31,479 --> 01:43:33,319
you know, like I said, one of these man eating rocks,

1694
01:43:33,319 --> 01:43:35,600
and I really think this is stupid, but I really

1695
01:43:35,680 --> 01:43:39,399
think this this this man eating rocks, these these injured

1696
01:43:39,439 --> 01:43:42,960
dimensional portals play a role in in you know, doctor

1697
01:43:43,039 --> 01:43:47,119
Davidson's fascination with the area and does work with h

1698
01:43:47,840 --> 01:43:49,640
oak Ridge Labs.

1699
01:43:50,880 --> 01:43:57,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've heard Oakridge a lot, especially down to Tennessee.

1700
01:43:56,760 --> 01:43:59,119
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, I think that's where they're located.

1701
01:43:58,920 --> 01:44:04,520
Speaker 1: Right, it is. And again I don't like to use

1702
01:44:04,520 --> 01:44:07,319
the word synchronicities, but when you mentioned Ball and oak Ridge,

1703
01:44:07,359 --> 01:44:10,079
and there's a whole lot of stuff that's going on,

1704
01:44:10,359 --> 01:44:12,319
and like I said, we can talk about it all

1705
01:44:12,359 --> 01:44:14,560
fair because it's not something that I'm going to talk

1706
01:44:14,560 --> 01:44:18,600
about on here. But uh, yeah, there's just a lot

1707
01:44:18,600 --> 01:44:22,479
of weird stuff, man, a lot of weird simularities. And

1708
01:44:22,520 --> 01:44:24,560
I don't believe in coincidences.

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01:44:25,680 --> 01:44:28,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean there's a lot of Yeah, a lot

1710
01:44:28,600 --> 01:44:31,680
of coincidence is going on. I think within this whole

1711
01:44:32,560 --> 01:44:34,640
thing that I put together, which is what I really

1712
01:44:34,640 --> 01:44:37,920
piques my interest the most, Like it seems like everything

1713
01:44:37,960 --> 01:44:40,479
comes together in my mind at least I might not

1714
01:44:40,520 --> 01:44:44,239
have been able to convey it properly right like I tried,

1715
01:44:44,560 --> 01:44:48,600
But there is a lot of weird things that kind

1716
01:44:48,600 --> 01:44:52,239
of all come together. It's it's strange mm hm.

1717
01:44:53,239 --> 01:44:56,880
Speaker 1: But we can probably wrap this one up. We've been

1718
01:44:56,920 --> 01:44:59,399
going on for almost two hours, so I feel like

1719
01:44:59,439 --> 01:45:02,119
once you get that two hour mark, that audience is

1720
01:45:02,119 --> 01:45:03,680
either asleep or they just don't care.

1721
01:45:03,720 --> 01:45:07,279
Speaker 3: At this point, Yeah, that's all I got. Anyway, that's it.

1722
01:45:09,239 --> 01:45:11,840
Speaker 1: Well, before we wrap this one up, I would like

1723
01:45:11,880 --> 01:45:13,680
for you to let everyone know where they can find

1724
01:45:13,680 --> 01:45:15,439
your podcast and everything else about you.

1725
01:45:16,760 --> 01:45:20,199
Speaker 3: Yeah. So, like I said, I was almost cannon. I

1726
01:45:20,199 --> 01:45:25,439
mean we're on you know, all the podcasting platforms, Spotify, Apple,

1727
01:45:26,399 --> 01:45:30,479
you know, all that good stuff. We got Facebook page, TikTok.

1728
01:45:31,000 --> 01:45:33,359
I put out some videos on TikTok that I don't

1729
01:45:33,399 --> 01:45:36,840
do on the podcast, you know, so it's always interesting

1730
01:45:36,880 --> 01:45:39,000
to go there. Other than that, I mean, you could

1731
01:45:39,000 --> 01:45:43,439
pretty much find us on any social media platform that's available.

1732
01:45:43,840 --> 01:45:45,840
Speaker 1: So do you say that TikTok has helped you?

1733
01:45:48,159 --> 01:45:50,880
Speaker 3: I mean it was through TikTok that I was able

1734
01:45:50,920 --> 01:45:54,279
to get into the state park. Like, I made a

1735
01:45:54,319 --> 01:45:57,640
TikTok video on the state park and then they called

1736
01:45:57,640 --> 01:46:01,000
me up and we're like, hey, come here and do

1737
01:46:01,319 --> 01:46:03,439
you know, do a ghost on or something?

1738
01:46:03,520 --> 01:46:03,720
Speaker 2: Right?

1739
01:46:03,760 --> 01:46:05,840
Speaker 3: So, I mean, other than that, probably not.

1740
01:46:06,520 --> 01:46:10,439
Speaker 1: I don't do TikTok. I don't do I hate social

1741
01:46:10,520 --> 01:46:12,640
media in general for the most part. I have a

1742
01:46:12,680 --> 01:46:14,760
Facebook that I use, but other than that, I don't

1743
01:46:14,800 --> 01:46:18,439
try and surround with too much of it. And everyone's

1744
01:46:18,439 --> 01:46:20,000
to keep saying oh, you gotta need to get a TikTok.

1745
01:46:20,039 --> 01:46:21,960
You gotta get a TikTok that I don't want to

1746
01:46:22,000 --> 01:46:25,119
do it. I have one, but I don't utilize it.

1747
01:46:26,319 --> 01:46:28,960
So and I don't have video clips for the interviews

1748
01:46:28,960 --> 01:46:30,600
that I do with people either because obviously we're not

1749
01:46:30,720 --> 01:46:32,279
on camera right now. So for me, it's like what

1750
01:46:32,319 --> 01:46:34,399
am I supposed to be doing for TikTok?

1751
01:46:35,039 --> 01:46:37,399
Speaker 3: Right? Yeah, same goes for me. I don't do video

1752
01:46:37,399 --> 01:46:40,000
clips either, So it's really just stuff that you know,

1753
01:46:40,119 --> 01:46:44,800
click things I've researched. But I mean, isn't TikTok being

1754
01:46:44,840 --> 01:46:47,680
closed anyway? So it's like I joined late. You know,

1755
01:46:47,760 --> 01:46:52,000
there's not really much to gain. I get like maybe

1756
01:46:52,039 --> 01:46:55,359
a thousand views per video, but you know, I don't

1757
01:46:55,359 --> 01:46:59,159
necessarily think any of them then go to the podcast.

1758
01:46:58,680 --> 01:47:01,359
Speaker 1: Right, No, I think it who.

1759
01:47:02,960 --> 01:47:06,840
Speaker 3: Who watch videos aren't necessarily going to listen to podcasts,

1760
01:47:06,840 --> 01:47:08,680
you know. So, and I don't have a YouTube. I

1761
01:47:08,680 --> 01:47:10,920
mean I do. I put YouTube videos up, but I

1762
01:47:10,960 --> 01:47:14,399
can't figure out the damn algorithm, right, Like, none of

1763
01:47:14,399 --> 01:47:17,880
my view videos on YouTube get any views.

1764
01:47:17,520 --> 01:47:20,239
Speaker 1: Mind owt either. And I've got over almost thirteen hundred

1765
01:47:20,239 --> 01:47:23,199
subscribers and I get like maybe twenty to thirty views

1766
01:47:23,239 --> 01:47:25,399
per episode, right.

1767
01:47:25,319 --> 01:47:29,359
Speaker 3: So I try. Yeah, I don't do much video stuff either, but.

1768
01:47:30,199 --> 01:47:32,079
Speaker 1: My stuff's been banned a couple of times. So I

1769
01:47:32,119 --> 01:47:34,439
feel like because of the topics that get discussed, they've

1770
01:47:34,479 --> 01:47:38,640
pretty much throttled my show. Right. I had a flat

1771
01:47:38,720 --> 01:47:40,760
Earth episode, which I'm not really a flat Earth or

1772
01:47:40,800 --> 01:47:43,640
anything like that, but one of the first episodes I did,

1773
01:47:43,640 --> 01:47:45,840
it was a flat Earth episode talking with this guy

1774
01:47:45,880 --> 01:47:50,159
that's very well known within the flat earth community, and

1775
01:47:50,239 --> 01:47:55,600
it got twenty something or it's like two thousand of

1776
01:47:55,720 --> 01:47:59,239
something views within twenty four hours. And ever since then,

1777
01:47:59,319 --> 01:48:05,800
my YouTube has just been like non existent. Yeah, and

1778
01:48:06,199 --> 01:48:07,920
tell me you don't throttle things by tell me you

1779
01:48:07,920 --> 01:48:09,000
don't throttle things.

1780
01:48:10,159 --> 01:48:12,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, But I mean, I've teamed up with YouTubers like

1781
01:48:12,439 --> 01:48:16,319
I've had, you know, I've done episodes with YouTubers, but

1782
01:48:16,439 --> 01:48:19,199
I still can't figure out the algorithm. I mean, and

1783
01:48:19,239 --> 01:48:21,279
I don't necessarily spend a lot of time on that

1784
01:48:21,279 --> 01:48:25,319
that shit either, Like I you know, I don't. I

1785
01:48:25,439 --> 01:48:27,520
just do the content. I don't read about how to

1786
01:48:27,600 --> 01:48:31,760
fucking get people to you know, how to take advantage

1787
01:48:31,760 --> 01:48:33,279
of the algorithm. I don't I don't do that. I

1788
01:48:33,319 --> 01:48:35,159
need someone to do that for me because I have

1789
01:48:35,159 --> 01:48:35,720
no idea how.

1790
01:48:35,680 --> 01:48:37,720
Speaker 1: To do it. So I'll say, if I get to

1791
01:48:37,720 --> 01:48:39,560
the point in life where I can hire an assistant,

1792
01:48:39,560 --> 01:48:41,920
I'm gonna hire someone to be my TikToker or whatever

1793
01:48:42,079 --> 01:48:42,640
it's pay.

1794
01:48:42,840 --> 01:48:45,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, all.

1795
01:48:45,399 --> 01:48:47,720
Speaker 1: Right, Nick, it's been a pleasure talking with you. For

1796
01:48:47,800 --> 01:48:50,199
anyone out there listening, make sure to check out next

1797
01:48:50,239 --> 01:48:55,600
podcast almost Cannon, and then it should be available wherever

1798
01:48:55,680 --> 01:48:58,399
you listen to tin foil Tel's at So again, thanks

1799
01:48:58,439 --> 01:49:00,399
to Nick, and thanks for listening. We're gonna wrap this

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01:49:00,439 --> 01:49:08,359
one up, so good night, and that's the show everyone.

1801
01:49:08,760 --> 01:49:11,399
I really hope you guys enjoyed the conversations. If you

1802
01:49:11,439 --> 01:49:13,720
would like to be a guest on tenfoil Tels, remember

1803
01:49:13,760 --> 01:49:16,439
to send an email to Tenfoil Tales Podcast at gmail

1804
01:49:16,479 --> 01:49:19,600
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1805
01:49:19,720 --> 01:49:21,760
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1806
01:49:21,840 --> 01:49:24,800
some schedule for a future episode. And just remember the

1807
01:49:24,840 --> 01:49:27,479
truth lies, and the stories we share, the connections we make,

1808
01:49:27,720 --> 01:49:30,600
stay curiously open minded. Thank you all for joining us

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01:49:30,640 --> 01:49:33,960
on this journey, and until next time, keep questioning, keep seeking,

1810
01:49:34,079 --> 01:49:36,800
and keep exploring the unknown. Good Night, everyone sands on.

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01:49:36,920 --> 01:49:38,119
Speaker 2: Sounds in the headphones.

1812
01:49:38,720 --> 01:49:39,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's turn to rock.

1813
01:49:40,960 --> 01:49:43,399
Speaker 2: Got a story about a crypty creature. Let's take a

1814
01:49:43,479 --> 01:49:49,119
luk thigs foot Ummer. They're out there in the talk,

1815
01:49:50,000 --> 01:49:55,159
but the truth is out there likeingly as fuck us.

1816
01:49:55,199 --> 01:50:00,840
Both sightings got the whole Worldsome conspiracies unfolds, like a

1817
01:50:00,880 --> 01:50:06,720
story in the book. Control trying to keep us fine.

1818
01:50:08,239 --> 01:50:14,359
We're all gonna use the whole mind in history. They

1819
01:50:14,399 --> 01:50:19,119
don't want us to know the secrets they hide since

1820
01:50:19,199 --> 01:50:24,960
they won't show, so they don't society. They keep us

1821
01:50:25,000 --> 01:50:51,279
in chase. When sending tom it's time to break the reins.

1822
01:50:51,279 --> 01:50:55,479
Control trying to keep us fine. But I'm a people

1823
01:50:55,479 --> 01:50:56,279
are gonna.

1824
01:50:56,079 --> 01:51:00,880
Speaker 3: Use my mind in history.

1825
01:51:01,159 --> 01:51:06,279
Speaker 2: They wants to know the secrets the hide since they

1826
01:51:06,319 --> 01:51:12,439
will show the Maydal Society they keep us in chase.

1827
01:51:15,319 --> 01:51:18,279
But say they talk does sound to break the reins