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<v Speaker 1>Good morning everybody. Corey Hughes Bloody History back again today.

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<v Speaker 1>We're going to continue on with the David Ferry file,

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<v Speaker 1>Section two. We're going to start off today with a

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<v Speaker 1>memorandum Landry Ferry Cia March twenty eight, nineteen sixty seven

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<v Speaker 1>to Jim Garrison, District Attorney from Andrew J. Scambra, Assistant

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<v Speaker 1>District Attorney. Reference interview with Al Landry, March twenty third,

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<v Speaker 1>sixty seven. The Al Landry story is very important. It

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<v Speaker 1>goes to show a lot of the character that David

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<v Speaker 1>Ferry actually represented. So here we go, let's kick it off.

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<v Speaker 1>Mister Landry was born on January thirteenth, nineteen forty five,

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<v Speaker 1>and is now twenty two years old. He stated to

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<v Speaker 1>me that he first met Ferry when he was a

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<v Speaker 1>member of the Lakefront CAAP. He said this was around

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<v Speaker 1>late fifty eight or early fifty nine. He said Batista

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<v Speaker 1>was still in power in Cuba, so he imagines it

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<v Speaker 1>must have been late fifty eight. He says he was

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<v Speaker 1>fourteen years old when he joined the CAAP and lived

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<v Speaker 1>at five two two one Arts Street. He said that

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<v Speaker 1>he first met Ferry about four months after he joined

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<v Speaker 1>the Lakefront CAP. The CAAP used to hold meetings at

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<v Speaker 1>the Lakefront Airport on Friday night and Sunday afternoon on

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<v Speaker 1>a weekly basis. He said that it was at these

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<v Speaker 1>meetings that he met Ferry. He said that sometime in

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen fifty nine, after Castro had taken over in Cuba,

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<v Speaker 1>Dave Ferry disappeared for about seven to nine weeks, and

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<v Speaker 1>the next time he saw him was on a Saturday afternoon.

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<v Speaker 1>He was at the CAAP meeting when Ferry came to

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<v Speaker 1>the meeting with al Cheremi in Ferries fifty three. Tan

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<v Speaker 1>Ford Sharemy was driving the car. As Ferry could not

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<v Speaker 1>move around as he was apparently injured. Jeremy got out

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<v Speaker 1>of the automobile and started moving all Fairies papers and

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<v Speaker 1>files from the CAP building and began putting him in

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<v Speaker 1>Ferry's automobile. It seems that Ferry had some misunderstanding with

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<v Speaker 1>Colonel Morrell and Pat Prinz's mother, and as these two

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<v Speaker 1>people sort of ran the Lakefront CAAP, it appeared that

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<v Speaker 1>they had asked Ferry to resign. Ferry did resign from

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<v Speaker 1>the Lakefront CAP and formed his own CAP group called

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<v Speaker 1>the Falcons. He did this about five months after he

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<v Speaker 1>resigned from Lakefront. This group actually came into existence in

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<v Speaker 1>late nineteen fifty nine. It was shortly at this time

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<v Speaker 1>that Landry said he ran away from home, which dated

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<v Speaker 1>back to early nineteen sixty. Landry said that approximately one

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<v Speaker 1>year later, while Ferry was living at three thirty one

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<v Speaker 1>Atherton Drive, Ferry told him about the incident that occurred

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<v Speaker 1>to him when he disappeared for about seven to nine weeks.

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<v Speaker 1>Ferry mentioned this after he had a lively discussion with

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<v Speaker 1>Landry in regards to his views concerning the Cuban situation

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<v Speaker 1>that he and Arcocia Smith and some other Cuban friends

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<v Speaker 1>would liberate Cuba from Castro. Landry told him that he

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<v Speaker 1>had no idea that Ferry could liberate Cuba, and that

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<v Speaker 1>he questioned his ability to do so. Ferry at this

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<v Speaker 1>time told him of the incident which had occurred when

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<v Speaker 1>he was away from the city for seven to nine weeks.

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<v Speaker 1>Ferry said that a couple weeks prior to the time,

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<v Speaker 1>when Landry had seen him in the car with cheering

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<v Speaker 1>me at the airport removing his equipment, he and several

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<v Speaker 1>other Cubans had been to Cuba in an effort to

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<v Speaker 1>help the Cubans escape from Castro's prison. Ferry told him

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<v Speaker 1>that during one of these visits to Cuba, he ran

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<v Speaker 1>into some trouble and was attacked by a Castro soldier

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<v Speaker 1>and was stabbed in the stomach. He showed Landry a

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<v Speaker 1>scar across his stomach, approximately ten to fifteen inches long,

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<v Speaker 1>which he said resulted from the stab wound. Ferry at

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<v Speaker 1>this time told him he was working for the CIA

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<v Speaker 1>rescuing Cubans out of Castro's prison in Cuba. He said

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<v Speaker 1>he was called down to Miami and stayed there approximately

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<v Speaker 1>one week in a hotel before he was contacted by

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<v Speaker 1>the CIA men in Miami. He said that he attributed

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<v Speaker 1>the delay in being contacted to the fact that the

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<v Speaker 1>CIA wanted to test him to see if he was

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<v Speaker 1>the type of person who told his business to anybody

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<v Speaker 1>on the street. He said that a woman from the

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<v Speaker 1>CIA was sent to his apartment and tried to get

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<v Speaker 1>information from him about his activities with CIA, but that

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<v Speaker 1>he did not tell her anything and it was after

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<v Speaker 1>this test that he was actually contacted by the CIA

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<v Speaker 1>people in Miami. He said that shortly thereafter, he in

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<v Speaker 1>about nine Cubans flew down to a point close to Cuba,

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<v Speaker 1>and they then got on rubber rafts and went into

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<v Speaker 1>Cuba and rescued some prisoners out of the prison camps.

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<v Speaker 1>He said it was during this incident that he was stabbed.

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<v Speaker 1>The soldier who stabbed him was killed by some of

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<v Speaker 1>the people in his party, and they carried him to

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<v Speaker 1>safety with them. Landry says he can recall that during

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<v Speaker 1>his relationship with Ferry, Ferry received long distance calls from Miami.

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<v Speaker 1>In Cleveland. Ferry also told him that Arkacha Smith was

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<v Speaker 1>the third man in line in the Cuban hierarchy when

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<v Speaker 1>Cuba would be liberated. The number one man lived in Miami.

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<v Speaker 1>Landry said that he can recall that at one time

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<v Speaker 1>the number one man, whose name he can't remember at

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<v Speaker 1>the moment, was supposed to make a trip down to

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<v Speaker 1>New Orleans to see how the Cuban revolutionary Front was

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<v Speaker 1>making out, and the planing was to come on, was

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<v Speaker 1>hijacked and taken to Cuba. He said that Ferry then

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<v Speaker 1>asked him if he would liked to make a trip

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<v Speaker 1>down to Miami to pick up the number one man

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<v Speaker 1>and fly him down to New Orleans in a private plane.

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<v Speaker 1>Landry told him that he would go with him, but

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<v Speaker 1>Ferry never did anything more to him about this. That

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<v Speaker 1>never did mention anything more to him about this. Landry

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<v Speaker 1>said that Ferry often told him that when Cuba will

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<v Speaker 1>be liberated from Castro, he would be a very big

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<v Speaker 1>man in Cuba, and he wanted Alandry to go and

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<v Speaker 1>live with him in Cuba. He said they would live

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<v Speaker 1>like kings because the people would always look at them

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<v Speaker 1>like their savior. Ferry said that there were three branches

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<v Speaker 1>working for the liberation of Cuba, one of Miami, one

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<v Speaker 1>in New Orleans, and won in Texas. Landry said that

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<v Speaker 1>after the Bay of Pigs, Ferry became annoyed with the

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<v Speaker 1>CIA and often belittled the CIA and President Kennedy. He

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<v Speaker 1>said the CIA in President Kennedy had screwed up the

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<v Speaker 1>whole invasion and that they betrayed the Cuban people by

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<v Speaker 1>refusing to send their air support that was promised. Landry

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<v Speaker 1>said that Ferry had a blackboard in his apartment and

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<v Speaker 1>he often drew on his own blackboard the actual plans

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<v Speaker 1>for the invasion of Cuba, explaining what the Cubans were

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<v Speaker 1>supposed to do and at what point the CIA was

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<v Speaker 1>supposed to send the air support. Landry said he talked

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<v Speaker 1>as if he knew all about the battle plans and

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<v Speaker 1>the invasion. Ferry told him of how the boats got

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<v Speaker 1>in touch with the CIA and requested the air support

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<v Speaker 1>and the CIA and had Kennedy on the hotline, and

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<v Speaker 1>how Kennedy was supposed to give the ok for air support.

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<v Speaker 1>But he said that Kennedy and the CIA did not

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<v Speaker 1>intervene like they said they would. The Cubans were promised

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<v Speaker 1>by the CIA that when the time was right after

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<v Speaker 1>some troops, right after some troops had already gotten on

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<v Speaker 1>the island, they would furnish the air support. Landry said

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<v Speaker 1>he can remember going to Arcata Smith's house on the

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<v Speaker 1>lake front somewhere with Ferry and some other people and

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<v Speaker 1>watched actual films of the invasion. Landry said that he

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<v Speaker 1>joined the service in June of sixty two and came

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<v Speaker 1>out in June of sixty six. He said he had

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<v Speaker 1>no contact with Ferry during the time he was in

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<v Speaker 1>the service, and actually had not seen him for a

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<v Speaker 1>few months before he had joined the service. It seems

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<v Speaker 1>like the document cuts off there. I know Landry give

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<v Speaker 1>a lot more statements than that. Maybe they'll pop up

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<v Speaker 1>here shortly, but we're going to move on to the

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<v Speaker 1>next document. Memorandum April fourteenth, sixty seven to Jim Garrison

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<v Speaker 1>from Jim Alcock, Executive Assistant District Attorney, referenced Lawrence Fox,

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<v Speaker 1>thirty six twenty six Dante Street, New Orleans. On Friday,

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<v Speaker 1>April fourteenth, nineteen sixty seven, I, along with Kent Simms

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<v Speaker 1>of our staff, interviewed mister Fox. Mister Fox is presently

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<v Speaker 1>employed by Houser American Printing Company at four forty one

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<v Speaker 1>Gravier Street in the city of New Orleans. Lawrence Fox

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<v Speaker 1>was a CAAP cadet from approximately November nineteen fifty five

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<v Speaker 1>until March nineteen fifty seven. His unit was located at

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<v Speaker 1>the New Orleans Airport. During this time, he does not

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<v Speaker 1>recall ever having met Lee Harvey Oswald. From March fifty

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<v Speaker 1>seven through December fourteenth fifty nine, Fox was a member

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<v Speaker 1>of the Armed Services United States Air Force. In the

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<v Speaker 1>latter part of December nineteen sixty, he again joined the

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<v Speaker 1>Civil Air Patrol as a senior member. He remained a

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<v Speaker 1>member of the CAP until approximately October nineteen sixty. During

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<v Speaker 1>this time, he was the administrative assistant to David Ferry,

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<v Speaker 1>who was the commanding officer of the unit. Fox recalls

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<v Speaker 1>having gone to Ferry's house in Jefferson Parish on a

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<v Speaker 1>few occasions. At times that he was at Ferry's house

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<v Speaker 1>were pretty usually at a party given by CAAP members.

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<v Speaker 1>As he recalls, some of the members of the squadron

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<v Speaker 1>at this time were Almeister, Carl Costa, and Leyton Martins.

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<v Speaker 1>During the summer of sixty one, Lawrence Fox solicited funds

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<v Speaker 1>for the Crusade to Free Cuba. As a result of

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<v Speaker 1>this work, he was introduced by Dave Ferry to Serge

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<v Speaker 1>Arcachia Smith. Also active at this time with Arcacia and

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<v Speaker 1>Ferry was Leyton Martin's. In fact, Fox and Martins on

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<v Speaker 1>several occasions went out soliciting funds together. On about two occasions,

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<v Speaker 1>Fox and Ferry went to the International Trademark to solicit funds. However,

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<v Speaker 1>Fox does not recall what office they went into in

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<v Speaker 1>the Trademark. He does recall that it was necessary for

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<v Speaker 1>them to take an elevator to get to the office.

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<v Speaker 1>On none of these occasions did Fox meet clay Shaw. However,

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<v Speaker 1>Fox seems to recall having met clay Shaw briefly in

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<v Speaker 1>the year nineteen fifty five. The occasion for this meeting

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<v Speaker 1>was the Inter American Investment Conference. Lawrence Fox's mother was

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<v Speaker 1>mister Nutter's secretary. Lawrence believes mister Nutter was the President

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<v Speaker 1>of the International House at the time. Fox does not

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<v Speaker 1>recall having been in Ferries, Louisiana Avenue Parkway apartment in

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<v Speaker 1>the year nineteen sixty three. He does not know Perry Russo,

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<v Speaker 1>Nils Peterson, Kenny Carter, or Sandrum Moffatt. Fox recalls that

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<v Speaker 1>a girl by the name of Carolyn Taylor, a CAAP cadet,

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<v Speaker 1>did some typing in the summer of nineteen sixty one

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<v Speaker 1>for the Crusader to free Cuba. Fox will attempt to

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<v Speaker 1>locate any CAAP records he has, and should he find any,

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<v Speaker 1>will call us and make them available. Memorandum January nineteenth,

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen sixty seven to Jim Garrison, District Attorney from investigator

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<v Speaker 1>Lynn luiseell Ree telephone conversation with Agent number one. Agent

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<v Speaker 1>number one called Lynn Waseell and told him that Dave

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<v Speaker 1>Ferry and he had gone to an apartment off the

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<v Speaker 1>Veteran's Highway to look at some dirty films last night.

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<v Speaker 1>That this apartment was in one of Carlos Marcello's apartment

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<v Speaker 1>houses and the apartment was eighteen n but he didn't

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<v Speaker 1>know the address. He said there were about fifteen people

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<v Speaker 1>present and he believed that the operator of the show

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<v Speaker 1>is a Cuban named Carlos. Agent number one also stated

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<v Speaker 1>that there were three colored girls whose names were Shwanda, Margaret,

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<v Speaker 1>and Barbara. He said that Margaret has been with Dave

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<v Speaker 1>since nineteen sixty two and that she knows plenty of

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<v Speaker 1>his associates. Shwanda and Barbara haven't been around that long,

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<v Speaker 1>and that Margaret was Dave's favorite. He said that Dave

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<v Speaker 1>had asked them Agent number one to burglarize this clerk's

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<v Speaker 1>house because he felt like he could make some easy money.

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<v Speaker 1>He also said that this clerk always had one thousand

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<v Speaker 1>dollars on him and knows he must keep money in

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<v Speaker 1>his house. Agent number one said the clerk was do

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<v Speaker 1>at the airport Monday, and Dave would get his license

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<v Speaker 1>plate number, check it out and find out where the

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<v Speaker 1>of those kids that burglarized his apartment. Luazelle asked him

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<v Speaker 1>when the apartment was burglarized and what was taken. Agent

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<v Speaker 1>number one said it was burglarized a few days ago

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<v Speaker 1>and two reels of dirty film, a letter, and some

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<v Speaker 1>a picture of Frank Woodruff in an army camp standing

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<v Speaker 1>naked jerking off. Later on this date, Agent number one

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<v Speaker 1>called me back, Lazel and told me that a Cuban

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<v Speaker 1>three pm, and he was sure that Dave called the

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<v Speaker 1>cuban Carlos. He said he didn't believe that this was

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<v Speaker 1>the same Carlos who had shown the film that night.

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<v Speaker 1>Agent number one also said that David Ferry told him

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<v Speaker 1>that the clerk would be at the airport Saturday, and

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<v Speaker 1>that Agent number one was to burglarize the clerk's house

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<v Speaker 1>maybe Saturday night, but that he would go by himself

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<v Speaker 1>asked Agent number one why Dave decided that he was

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<v Speaker 1>not going to go with Agent number one, and Agent

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<v Speaker 1>number one said that from here on out, I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to leave the burglaries to you. That will be your department.

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<v Speaker 1>Agent number one said that he would call back tomorrow

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<v Speaker 1>to find out what he should do about the burglary.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, the next page is it looks like a

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<v Speaker 1>page of Dave Verie's last will and testament, at least

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<v Speaker 1>what we have that was it's not complete from what

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<v Speaker 1>we read yesterday. Only certain parts of it were released.

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<v Speaker 1>Or maybe that was the So we have a last

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<v Speaker 1>will and testament and two suicide notes. I'm sorry, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>mixing that up. It must have been one of the

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<v Speaker 1>suicide notes that they only released the section of, because

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<v Speaker 1>it seems here that we got this whole thing as

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<v Speaker 1>far as the will goes. July twenty third, nineteen sixty six.

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<v Speaker 1>This is my last will and testament, written by my

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<v Speaker 1>own hand, while of sound mind and body, I bequeath

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<v Speaker 1>all of my possessions real movable and immovable money, books, airplanes, auto,

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<v Speaker 1>whatever else I may own or have a right to.

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<v Speaker 1>At the time of my death to my dearest friend

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<v Speaker 1>Alvin R. Boboof, I bequeathed especially a diamond ring to

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<v Speaker 1>be found hidden in my dining room table. I hereby

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<v Speaker 1>concede and declare no any wills heretofore made by me.

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<v Speaker 1>I appoint Alvin R. Boboof as executor of my estate

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<v Speaker 1>and requests that no bond or inventory be required of him.

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<v Speaker 1>If any just debts or taxes remain to be paid

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<v Speaker 1>at my death, I direct that he pay them out

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<v Speaker 1>of my estate. I declare I have no quote forced heirs.

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<v Speaker 1>What does that mean? I declare I have no quote

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<v Speaker 1>forced heirs. It's rather interesting in light of the fact

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<v Speaker 1>that Eastern Airlines determined that there was a David Ferry

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<v Speaker 1>Junior who was a Marine Corps lieutenant in nineteen sixty two,

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<v Speaker 1>so he had to be born in the early forties.

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<v Speaker 1>So what was the relationship between David Ferry and David

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<v Speaker 1>Ferry Junior And why was David Ferry Junior's vehicle seen

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<v Speaker 1>at David Ferry's apartment, which would indicate that some kind

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<v Speaker 1>of relationship going on in nineteen sixty two between David

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<v Speaker 1>Ferry and his son, David Ferry Junior. Now on the

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<v Speaker 1>original document, yeah, I believe it was an FBI document,

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<v Speaker 1>or no, it was the Eastern Airlines document. You have

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<v Speaker 1>some notes on the side. That paragraph is highlighted and

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<v Speaker 1>then it says Oswald question mark as if the person

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<v Speaker 1>and was thinking that the David Faerry Junior stuff was

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<v Speaker 1>a cover for Oswald. But I don't believe that at

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<v Speaker 1>all for many reasons. So I declare I have no

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<v Speaker 1>forced heirs. I don't know what that means. If you

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<v Speaker 1>have an idea what that means, hit me up and

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<v Speaker 1>let me know. Then it says I asked It's signed

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<v Speaker 1>David W. Ferry, and it says I asked Alvin to

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<v Speaker 1>notify my brother Parmalee T. Faery in Rockford, Illinois, and

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<v Speaker 1>Bishop George Hyde in Alberta, Georgia. Parmale T. Faery, it's

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<v Speaker 1>David Faery's brother, and he worked in the nuclear industry,

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<v Speaker 1>so he's a guy that probably should have some time

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<v Speaker 1>spent on him. The next page is just a copy

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<v Speaker 1>of the envelope open in the event of my death,

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<v Speaker 1>so that's not one of the suicide notes. Next one

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<v Speaker 1>Memorandum July twelfth, nineteen sixty seven two Jim Garrison, District

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<v Speaker 1>Attorney from Robert E. Lee, Assistant District Attorney, reference to

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<v Speaker 1>David W. Ferry. David Ferry was a pilot with Eastern

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<v Speaker 1>Airlines in nineteen fifty nine. I was employed with Eastern

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<v Speaker 1>Airlines while studying at Tulane in undergraduate school and completing

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<v Speaker 1>my law studies at Tulane. It must be a statement

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<v Speaker 1>during the course of my employment as a flight purser

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<v Speaker 1>with Eastern, I had on occasion been a member of

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<v Speaker 1>the same flight crew with David W. Ferry. After graduation

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<v Speaker 1>from Tulane Law School, I continued to fly with Eastern,

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<v Speaker 1>mostly at night, and practice law out of my office

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<v Speaker 1>on Veterans Highway and Metory on a full time basis.

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<v Speaker 1>I opened my law office in August of nineteen sixty

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<v Speaker 1>My second or third client was David W. Ferry. Ferry

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<v Speaker 1>had purchased some stock in a close corporation whose headquarters

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<v Speaker 1>were located in Honduras. In addition to buying this stock,

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<v Speaker 1>he had flown down to Honduras to look into kahuny

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<v Speaker 1>nut venture. Simply put, it was this. The kahuny nut

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<v Speaker 1>has a juice which, when it squeezed out and mixed

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<v Speaker 1>with a certain compound, will harden into a mass as

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<v Speaker 1>strong as iron and of course rustproof, and will endure

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<v Speaker 1>for centuries. There are only two machines available built to

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<v Speaker 1>squeeze the juice from the kahuni nut. One is in

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<v Speaker 1>Chicago and one is in Belize, Honduras. The owner of

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<v Speaker 1>the machine in Chicago won't exhibit or sell his machines

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<v Speaker 1>since he's preparing to move his equipment to Honduras to

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<v Speaker 1>start production. Incidentally, m there is only one area in

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<v Speaker 1>the world where the kahuny nut grows, in the jungles

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<v Speaker 1>of Honduras, so that if Fairy acts fast, he and

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<v Speaker 1>the corporation can lease all the land growing cohune nuts. However,

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<v Speaker 1>the corporation I eat, the President and his wife and

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<v Speaker 1>Faerry have to buy the only remaining machine, the one

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<v Speaker 1>hidden in the jungles of Honduras. I don't remember the

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<v Speaker 1>president's name, but he knows where the machine is. But

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<v Speaker 1>he must give two thousand dollars to an official of

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<v Speaker 1>the Honduran government and in return, the official who also

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<v Speaker 1>knows where the machine is, will issue an exclusive work

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<v Speaker 1>permit to harvest and manufacture kahuny nut juice. Ferry purchased

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<v Speaker 1>forty five hundred of stock and gave the president of

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<v Speaker 1>the corporation two thousand for the machine. Neither Fairy's money

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<v Speaker 1>nor the machine ever got together, and Fairy came to me.

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<v Speaker 1>The last occasion with David Ferry in my office was

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<v Speaker 1>when he told me that he wanted to adopt a

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<v Speaker 1>seventeen year old boy by the name of share Me.

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<v Speaker 1>I advised him that I would charge him seventy five

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<v Speaker 1>dollars and would begin to research and to call me

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<v Speaker 1>back in a week or so. About three days later,

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<v Speaker 1>he came to the office extremely agitated. Sharemi had joined

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<v Speaker 1>the Marine Corps and Fairy wanted him out and was

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<v Speaker 1>Marine Corps would not discharge except for medical reasons or

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<v Speaker 1>moral turpitude. Fairry seized on the moral turpitude and asked

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<v Speaker 1>me to explain exactly what it meant. Upon telling him

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<v Speaker 1>that moral turpitude included homosexual offenses, he cut me off

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<v Speaker 1>abruptly and excitedly exclaimed that's it, that's it. Fairry told

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<v Speaker 1>me that he and Sharemi had a homosexual relationship. I

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<v Speaker 1>told Ferry that I didn't believe him, and further that

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<v Speaker 1>the Marine Corps would insist that a drastic admission such

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<v Speaker 1>as this be in writing. Fairy immediately pulled my typewriter

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<v Speaker 1>to him and typed three single space pages giving dates, etc.

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<v Speaker 1>When he was finished, he triumphantly thrust the document towards

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<v Speaker 1>me with a smirk on his face. I read it once,

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<v Speaker 1>tore it in three pieces, and pulled him to the

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<v Speaker 1>door and shoved him out. I told him I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>want him in the office again, and that he owed

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<v Speaker 1>me seventy five dollars for my trouble and to mail

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<v Speaker 1>it to my office. On the few occasions that I

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<v Speaker 1>was a crew member on Faerry's flights, he was a captain.

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<v Speaker 1>We flew to Houston, Corpus Christy and Brownsville, with stops

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<v Speaker 1>between New Orleans and Houston, Baton Rouge, Lafayette, New Iberia,

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<v Speaker 1>Lake Charles, Beaumont, Port Arthur, thence to Houston Corpus Christy, Brownsville,

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<v Speaker 1>and backed the same way the same day. As a rule,

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<v Speaker 1>the flights would have about thirty minute hangover between stops

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<v Speaker 1>for passenger deplaying, baggage, cargo handling, etc. During this period

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<v Speaker 1>of time, the captain would go into the station manager's

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<v Speaker 1>operations office and check the weather ahead, fuel requirements, etc.

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<v Speaker 1>The last year I flew off and off and on

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<v Speaker 1>as a crew member with Ferry was nineteen sixty two.

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<v Speaker 1>Ferry never got out of the cockpit from the minute

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<v Speaker 1>we took off from New Orleans at eleven forty am

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<v Speaker 1>until we returned at midnight. Ordinarily, the captain at the

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<v Speaker 1>end of the trip would stop in operations, if for

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<v Speaker 1>no other reason than to stow his flight bag until

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<v Speaker 1>his next trip. Faerry never went through operations while starting

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<v Speaker 1>the flight or ending the trip the times I was

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<v Speaker 1>part of his crew. I casually asked them about this

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<v Speaker 1>in Houston once, and he told me that his life

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<v Speaker 1>was in danger, that the Communists were out to get him.

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<v Speaker 1>He did, in fact, appear very disturbed on every occasion.

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<v Speaker 1>When I knew him in the beginning, he was very

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<v Speaker 1>talkative and cheerful. But when I saw him in nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>sixty two, he was grimmed, to say the least, and

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<v Speaker 1>think I was the only one he really talked to,

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<v Speaker 1>and then only because I was an attorney. I can

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<v Speaker 1>remember occasions in nineteen sixty one in nineteen sixty two

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<v Speaker 1>when Ferry would stop by the office unexpectedly, usually on

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<v Speaker 1>Saturday afternoons when my office building was deserted. On these visits,

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<v Speaker 1>he began to tell me something of his extra curricular activities,

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<v Speaker 1>but only after inspecting my office for bugging equipment and

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<v Speaker 1>asking me to swear that I was not taping him.

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<v Speaker 1>These activities consisted of flying to Cuba and back with passengers,

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<v Speaker 1>once to the Isle of Pines. He would make these

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<v Speaker 1>trips via Tampa and one of the Keys, and then

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<v Speaker 1>on to Cuba. He also mentioned training Cuban guerrillas. In

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen sixty one or nineteen sixty two, the chief pilot

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<v Speaker 1>for Eastern in New Orleans asked me, in my capacity

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<v Speaker 1>as an attorney, to check into a report that Ferry

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<v Speaker 1>had stolen an ancient two thousand year old crucifix from

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<v Speaker 1>a Greek Orthodox church, either in Louisville, Kentucky, or Knoxville, Tennessee.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure I believe the Jefferson Parish authorities can

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<v Speaker 1>give us the necessary information in this matter. It seems

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<v Speaker 1>to me Ferry and the others ransomed this crucifix. The

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<v Speaker 1>figure twenty thousand comes to mind. The last time I

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<v Speaker 1>saw or heard of David Ferry was in nineteen sixty two,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was signed Robert E. Lee all Right. Factual

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<v Speaker 1>background for reasons stated in Discharge of Captain Ferries is

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<v Speaker 1>an Eastern Airlines document during nineteen sixty one. In nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>sixty two, the following criminal charges were brought against Captain

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<v Speaker 1>Ferry in Orleans and Jefferson Parish based on sworn affidavids

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<v Speaker 1>of complaining witnesses. Orleans this is funny. This lists is hilarious.

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<v Speaker 1>Orleans Number one extortion no prost, January fourth, nineteen sixty three.

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<v Speaker 1>Two Public intimidation of state witness, no prost January fourth,

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<v Speaker 1>sixty three and no prost means no prosecution. Three Crime

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<v Speaker 1>against Nature no prost, November fifth, nineteen sixty two. Incident

416
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<v Speaker 1>behavior with a juvenile and contributing to the delinquency of

417
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<v Speaker 1>a minor all no prost November fifth, nineteen sixty two.

418
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<v Speaker 1>Then there is a not guilty verdict on February twenty third,

419
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<v Speaker 1>sixty two, and then there's two more reports charges unknown,

420
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<v Speaker 1>no prost November fifth, nineteen sixty two. So it seems

421
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<v Speaker 1>as though David Ferry has some friends up high who

422
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<v Speaker 1>can get him out of trouble A lot. The following information,

423
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<v Speaker 1>which should have been revealed in the application for employment

424
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<v Speaker 1>or on the pre employment physical Examination Forum, was discovered

425
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<v Speaker 1>during the investigation conducted as a result of the above

426
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<v Speaker 1>criminal charges. One, in November nineteen forty four, the Saint

427
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<v Speaker 1>Charles Seminary refused to allow Fairry to continue in the

428
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<v Speaker 1>seminary because of his emotional instability. Emotional instability is another

429
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<v Speaker 1>term for he was a homosexual. Two thereafter, Fairy was

430
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<v Speaker 1>treated for his mental problems by doctor A. K. Gardner

431
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<v Speaker 1>and doctor Wilford Gill of Cleveland, Ohio. Three. After the

432
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<v Speaker 1>above treatment, Fairy reapplied to Saint Charles Seminary but was

433
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<v Speaker 1>refused admittance. Over a period of years, Fairry has attempted

434
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<v Speaker 1>to gain admittance to other seminaries, but has been refused

435
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<v Speaker 1>on the basis of his record at Saint Charles. Prior

436
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<v Speaker 1>to applying at Eastern Ferry had been employed at Rocky

437
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<v Speaker 1>River High School in nineteen forty one, Faerry suffered severely

438
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<v Speaker 1>from asthma and hay fever, which he controlled by administering

439
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<v Speaker 1>shots to himself. All right, so interesting background on David Ferry.

440
00:24:03.960 --> 00:24:07.480
<v Speaker 1>It's pretty obvious what happened to him. He engaged in

441
00:24:07.519 --> 00:24:12.519
<v Speaker 1>crimes against nature with having sex with underage boys that

442
00:24:12.640 --> 00:24:16.480
<v Speaker 1>caught up to him at Saint Charles, and then he

443
00:24:16.519 --> 00:24:19.319
<v Speaker 1>could never get into any other seminary again, and this

444
00:24:19.759 --> 00:24:21.920
<v Speaker 1>weighed heavily on him for the rest of his life.

445
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<v Speaker 1>Next interview of David Ferry by John Voles at the

446
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<v Speaker 1>District Attorney's office, approximately ten am on Thursday December fifteenth,

447
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<v Speaker 1>nineteen sixty six. Were you acquainted with Oswald? Ferry says,

448
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<v Speaker 1>to my knowledge, no, I was told and I believe,

449
00:24:40.720 --> 00:24:42.480
<v Speaker 1>but I'm not sure. Three years ago, I believe it

450
00:24:42.519 --> 00:24:45.079
<v Speaker 1>was mister Wall from the FBI who told me. I

451
00:24:45.079 --> 00:24:47.839
<v Speaker 1>think I met Oswald. Something is telling me at the moment,

452
00:24:47.960 --> 00:24:53.119
<v Speaker 1>roughly at the age of fifteen. Oswald was fifteen. Ferry says, right,

453
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<v Speaker 1>I have no way of estimating this. This was told

454
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<v Speaker 1>to me third fourth, fifth hand. When the assassination of

455
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<v Speaker 1>President Kennedy took place. A picture of oz was supposed

456
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<v Speaker 1>to have been on television and a young fellow whose

457
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<v Speaker 1>name I don't recollect, and the only hook I have

458
00:25:06.759 --> 00:25:09.680
<v Speaker 1>is that his uncle runs a florist shop somewhere out

459
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<v Speaker 1>on Canal Street, recognized the Oswald face on the TV presentation.

460
00:25:14.440 --> 00:25:17.759
<v Speaker 1>He then calls one of the stations WDSU or WWL

461
00:25:17.799 --> 00:25:20.480
<v Speaker 1>and says that he recognized the face and knew this

462
00:25:20.559 --> 00:25:23.920
<v Speaker 1>fellow Oswald in the interview either newspaper or TV. But

463
00:25:23.960 --> 00:25:26.839
<v Speaker 1>I'm pretty sure it was a public rather than an investigation.

464
00:25:27.480 --> 00:25:29.920
<v Speaker 1>He and Oswald had been the Civil Air Patrol cadet

465
00:25:30.000 --> 00:25:32.079
<v Speaker 1>program in my unit, And of course this kind of

466
00:25:32.279 --> 00:25:34.359
<v Speaker 1>surprised me because I didn't recognize the name of this

467
00:25:34.440 --> 00:25:38.279
<v Speaker 1>lad that identified Oswald's picture, this being very frank. When

468
00:25:38.319 --> 00:25:40.519
<v Speaker 1>I got hit with this thing, I started my own

469
00:25:40.519 --> 00:25:43.559
<v Speaker 1>investigation for a ten day period. It was back and

470
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<v Speaker 1>forth between me and the FBI, so far as I

471
00:25:46.079 --> 00:25:48.960
<v Speaker 1>could develop this florist shop fellow I was talking about

472
00:25:49.160 --> 00:25:54.400
<v Speaker 1>Edva Bell, so far as I could develop with this

473
00:25:54.440 --> 00:25:56.640
<v Speaker 1>florist shop fellow had gone to school with Oswald and

474
00:25:56.640 --> 00:25:59.160
<v Speaker 1>tried to get Oswald socialized unsuccessfully as part of the

475
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<v Speaker 1>attempt to get him in Civil Air Patrol. I understand

476
00:26:01.799 --> 00:26:03.480
<v Speaker 1>he was in there for only a matter of days,

477
00:26:03.519 --> 00:26:06.240
<v Speaker 1>two or three weeks. This young fellow told me that

478
00:26:06.359 --> 00:26:08.519
<v Speaker 1>he had, in fact, in company with other cadets, come

479
00:26:08.559 --> 00:26:11.279
<v Speaker 1>by my house. As near as I could put that together,

480
00:26:11.519 --> 00:26:14.319
<v Speaker 1>I must have been living in Kenner, he said, I

481
00:26:14.359 --> 00:26:17.920
<v Speaker 1>had met Lee Harvey Oswald. How'd you get this information?

482
00:26:18.799 --> 00:26:21.039
<v Speaker 1>Some through the FBI and some I developed on my own.

483
00:26:21.920 --> 00:26:24.960
<v Speaker 1>You have no recollection of Oswald? No, I don't. This

484
00:26:25.200 --> 00:26:27.680
<v Speaker 1>is of much interest. A fellow by the name of

485
00:26:27.720 --> 00:26:30.119
<v Speaker 1>Jack Martin kicks the whole thing off and gets me involved.

486
00:26:30.440 --> 00:26:32.960
<v Speaker 1>I don't mind this being in a public record. Martin's

487
00:26:32.960 --> 00:26:39.759
<v Speaker 1>a psychopath. Martin has a very special vendetta for me. Why, well, first,

488
00:26:39.759 --> 00:26:42.680
<v Speaker 1>how do you explain a psychopath? However, there are specific grounds.

489
00:26:42.960 --> 00:26:45.319
<v Speaker 1>I used to work for g Ray Gill. Martin fancies

490
00:26:45.359 --> 00:26:48.240
<v Speaker 1>himself as an investigator. He acquainted himself with me and

491
00:26:48.319 --> 00:26:50.799
<v Speaker 1>tried to get some of Gill's work. Gil would not

492
00:26:50.880 --> 00:26:53.640
<v Speaker 1>have him, because, as Gil says, Martin plays both sides

493
00:26:53.640 --> 00:26:55.880
<v Speaker 1>of the street. One day I threw Martin out of

494
00:26:55.880 --> 00:26:59.119
<v Speaker 1>the office. Not bodily, but I ordered him out. Remember

495
00:26:59.160 --> 00:27:01.200
<v Speaker 1>the time of the first Marcello case in sixty three.

496
00:27:01.920 --> 00:27:05.400
<v Speaker 1>Gill is the New Orleans lawyer for Marcello. Martin told

497
00:27:05.440 --> 00:27:08.240
<v Speaker 1>Klein that I had Todd Oswald how to shoot a rifle,

498
00:27:08.839 --> 00:27:11.200
<v Speaker 1>which is interesting since I am not such a good

499
00:27:11.200 --> 00:27:15.440
<v Speaker 1>shot myself in any event that year, the year of

500
00:27:15.480 --> 00:27:18.039
<v Speaker 1>the assassination. I am uncertain, but my belief is that

501
00:27:18.119 --> 00:27:21.000
<v Speaker 1>Oswald was here in the city of New Orleans. How

502
00:27:21.000 --> 00:27:23.640
<v Speaker 1>do you know that, I'm trying to remember newspaper stories,

503
00:27:24.000 --> 00:27:26.640
<v Speaker 1>Klein questioned me about this. To my knowledge and belief,

504
00:27:26.680 --> 00:27:30.200
<v Speaker 1>I haven't met Oswald. I was busy working for Gil

505
00:27:30.240 --> 00:27:34.519
<v Speaker 1>at that time. Do you know Morris Brownly in what connection?

506
00:27:35.759 --> 00:27:38.200
<v Speaker 1>I've known Morris for ten or twelve years. He's been

507
00:27:38.240 --> 00:27:40.839
<v Speaker 1>in a lot of trouble during that time. Did you

508
00:27:40.880 --> 00:27:44.960
<v Speaker 1>ever take a trip? On November twenty second, nineteen sixty three, whatever,

509
00:27:45.000 --> 00:27:47.359
<v Speaker 1>the day that verdict was rendered in the Marcello case,

510
00:27:47.400 --> 00:27:51.680
<v Speaker 1>I took a week end vacation. Where did you go? Houston,

511
00:27:51.720 --> 00:27:55.359
<v Speaker 1>Galveston and in Venton. I had some business for Gill

512
00:27:55.440 --> 00:27:58.279
<v Speaker 1>to take care of. What business was this with Gil?

513
00:27:59.240 --> 00:28:02.480
<v Speaker 1>One of his case in federal court Marion James Johnson

514
00:28:02.559 --> 00:28:05.440
<v Speaker 1>was on appeal. I forgot whether I was to ask

515
00:28:05.480 --> 00:28:07.920
<v Speaker 1>for money or a transcript or what see. That's the

516
00:28:07.920 --> 00:28:10.960
<v Speaker 1>first instance where he doesn't remember what he did. I

517
00:28:11.000 --> 00:28:12.960
<v Speaker 1>forgot whether I was to ask him for money or

518
00:28:13.000 --> 00:28:16.279
<v Speaker 1>a transcript or what he should know that. Where'd you

519
00:28:16.359 --> 00:28:20.000
<v Speaker 1>go first? Houston? What'd you do in Houston? We went

520
00:28:20.039 --> 00:28:24.720
<v Speaker 1>ice skating? Who went with you? Alvin Bobuf and Melvin Coffee.

521
00:28:25.079 --> 00:28:27.559
<v Speaker 1>He's a rocket engineer at one of the electronics places.

522
00:28:28.559 --> 00:28:30.160
<v Speaker 1>You say you went ice skating in Houston? Do you

523
00:28:30.240 --> 00:28:33.000
<v Speaker 1>know what rink? To my knowledge, it was the only

524
00:28:33.000 --> 00:28:35.759
<v Speaker 1>one in the area. Used to be one in Baton Rouge.

525
00:28:36.200 --> 00:28:38.079
<v Speaker 1>I'm a Yankee and I like to go ice skating,

526
00:28:38.119 --> 00:28:40.680
<v Speaker 1>and that whole time during the trial, it was pretty

527
00:28:40.759 --> 00:28:43.680
<v Speaker 1>much a seven day a week thing. Do you recall

528
00:28:43.720 --> 00:28:46.200
<v Speaker 1>when you went ice skating? When the verdict came in?

529
00:28:46.240 --> 00:28:48.440
<v Speaker 1>As I recall, we had to go back to the

530
00:28:48.480 --> 00:28:50.759
<v Speaker 1>office at noon, if I could recall the house the

531
00:28:50.799 --> 00:28:53.079
<v Speaker 1>president was shot. It was at a time when we

532
00:28:53.319 --> 00:28:55.480
<v Speaker 1>heard the president was shot. In the next two or

533
00:28:55.519 --> 00:28:58.759
<v Speaker 1>three hours thereafter the verdict came in. Then we went

534
00:28:58.799 --> 00:29:01.200
<v Speaker 1>to the Royal Orleans Hotel and we had a victory

535
00:29:01.240 --> 00:29:03.519
<v Speaker 1>party or whatever you call it. This thing must have

536
00:29:03.519 --> 00:29:06.160
<v Speaker 1>gone on until supper time. Events are starting to come back.

537
00:29:06.200 --> 00:29:10.359
<v Speaker 1>But memory is a tricky thing. Wall would know, Wall

538
00:29:10.359 --> 00:29:12.720
<v Speaker 1>would the FBI. I know what you don't seem to know.

539
00:29:14.200 --> 00:29:17.200
<v Speaker 1>Vol says it was in the evening hours you left

540
00:29:17.200 --> 00:29:22.359
<v Speaker 1>for Houston. Are we missing a page? No, something's cut

541
00:29:22.359 --> 00:29:24.960
<v Speaker 1>off here. It was in the evening hours you left

542
00:29:25.000 --> 00:29:27.440
<v Speaker 1>for Houston, and then it cuts off on the next page,

543
00:29:27.440 --> 00:29:30.319
<v Speaker 1>it says it starts off with paperwork. We wanted to

544
00:29:30.319 --> 00:29:32.279
<v Speaker 1>go ice skating and then hunting. We were going to

545
00:29:32.359 --> 00:29:34.559
<v Speaker 1>hunt geese south of Beaumont in that area. To be

546
00:29:34.599 --> 00:29:37.640
<v Speaker 1>more specific, seems to me, we got to Houston. How

547
00:29:37.640 --> 00:29:39.440
<v Speaker 1>long does it take to get to Houston? How about

548
00:29:39.440 --> 00:29:42.160
<v Speaker 1>eight hours? I think? Did you ever fly to Houston?

549
00:29:42.519 --> 00:29:45.400
<v Speaker 1>I fly extensively. I was in Houston three times over

550
00:29:45.400 --> 00:29:48.039
<v Speaker 1>the past week. I guess we got there about midnight.

551
00:29:49.319 --> 00:29:51.960
<v Speaker 1>Had you planned this trip? We made up our minds

552
00:29:52.160 --> 00:29:54.200
<v Speaker 1>when the Marcello trial was over. We were going to

553
00:29:54.359 --> 00:29:58.799
<v Speaker 1>take a vacation during or after the trial, even before

554
00:29:58.839 --> 00:30:01.880
<v Speaker 1>the Marcello case. Worked for g Ray Gill any hour

555
00:30:02.000 --> 00:30:05.759
<v Speaker 1>or any day, that usually was most days and most hours,

556
00:30:06.000 --> 00:30:08.599
<v Speaker 1>he leads a wild He leads you a wild chase.

557
00:30:11.559 --> 00:30:13.720
<v Speaker 1>There had been a contemplated trip for some time. You

558
00:30:13.759 --> 00:30:15.759
<v Speaker 1>were going hunting, but you didn't know exactly where you

559
00:30:15.799 --> 00:30:20.359
<v Speaker 1>were headed for and couldn't have cared less whose car mine?

560
00:30:21.319 --> 00:30:23.720
<v Speaker 1>What kind of car? That was a sixty or sixty

561
00:30:23.720 --> 00:30:26.680
<v Speaker 1>one Comet wagon. At the time that we left, we

562
00:30:26.680 --> 00:30:29.400
<v Speaker 1>had no idea where we were going. You were going hunting.

563
00:30:29.440 --> 00:30:33.920
<v Speaker 1>Did you take any weapons? Yes? What kind shotguns? How many?

564
00:30:34.799 --> 00:30:38.920
<v Speaker 1>I assume offhand? A weapon apiece? You went to Houston

565
00:30:38.960 --> 00:30:40.799
<v Speaker 1>and went ice skating. Do you recall whether it was

566
00:30:40.839 --> 00:30:43.559
<v Speaker 1>the same day you left here? We left at night

567
00:30:43.599 --> 00:30:45.359
<v Speaker 1>and we stayed in a motel. I have to go

568
00:30:45.440 --> 00:30:48.359
<v Speaker 1>back to the FBI for accuracy. Sometime the next day

569
00:30:48.359 --> 00:30:50.640
<v Speaker 1>we went ice skating. I was the only one that

570
00:30:50.720 --> 00:30:54.160
<v Speaker 1>knew how Ah, it's funny he says that. But remember,

571
00:30:54.920 --> 00:30:57.960
<v Speaker 1>according to Chuck Rowland, he never went ice skating. He

572
00:30:58.000 --> 00:30:59.519
<v Speaker 1>just sat by the phone, made a couple of calls

573
00:30:59.519 --> 00:31:04.559
<v Speaker 1>and answered couple calls. So it's funny here he's saying

574
00:31:04.599 --> 00:31:07.480
<v Speaker 1>that he was the only one who knew how. Vol says,

575
00:31:07.480 --> 00:31:09.400
<v Speaker 1>did you rent skates or did you have your own?

576
00:31:10.000 --> 00:31:12.240
<v Speaker 1>Ferry says, we rented them. I don't think I have

577
00:31:12.319 --> 00:31:14.799
<v Speaker 1>my own skates. I think we rented them. How long

578
00:31:14.839 --> 00:31:17.960
<v Speaker 1>did you stay in Houston? My recollection of the moment

579
00:31:18.039 --> 00:31:20.880
<v Speaker 1>is we stayed there that next night, the day we

580
00:31:20.920 --> 00:31:25.279
<v Speaker 1>ice skated, That would be November twenty third. Whether we

581
00:31:25.319 --> 00:31:26.880
<v Speaker 1>stayed in Houston the night of the twenty third, I

582
00:31:26.920 --> 00:31:29.599
<v Speaker 1>don't know. Something tells me we went to Galveston. We

583
00:31:29.599 --> 00:31:33.480
<v Speaker 1>were looking for some evening activity. What do you mean nightlife?

584
00:31:33.720 --> 00:31:36.119
<v Speaker 1>You can call it nightlife? Were you looking for ladies?

585
00:31:36.799 --> 00:31:38.759
<v Speaker 1>We went down to Galveston. We found that the town

586
00:31:38.880 --> 00:31:42.319
<v Speaker 1>was dead. Did you leave for Galveston in the morning

587
00:31:42.400 --> 00:31:44.519
<v Speaker 1>or night? Do you know what you did when you

588
00:31:44.559 --> 00:31:47.880
<v Speaker 1>got to Galveston? Besides finding it dead? I remember the

589
00:31:47.920 --> 00:31:50.160
<v Speaker 1>morning in Galveston because we went out looking for bars

590
00:31:50.200 --> 00:31:52.279
<v Speaker 1>and found that the only thing you could buy was beer.

591
00:31:52.680 --> 00:31:55.680
<v Speaker 1>By our standards, it was dead. It couldn't get deader.

592
00:31:56.359 --> 00:31:58.519
<v Speaker 1>So far, the vacation had been falling on its head.

593
00:31:58.880 --> 00:32:03.000
<v Speaker 1>Seems to me it was inclement, some inclemency in the weather, coolness.

594
00:32:03.480 --> 00:32:05.440
<v Speaker 1>I don't know what we expected for November, but we

595
00:32:05.480 --> 00:32:08.480
<v Speaker 1>wanted something pleasant. I'm trying to recall whether I stopped

596
00:32:08.480 --> 00:32:10.559
<v Speaker 1>at Vinton on the way to Houston or coming back.

597
00:32:11.079 --> 00:32:13.079
<v Speaker 1>I think I might have my dates all mixed up here.

598
00:32:13.200 --> 00:32:16.000
<v Speaker 1>I think we stayed in Vinton that night, the night

599
00:32:16.039 --> 00:32:18.359
<v Speaker 1>of the twenty second, the night of whatever date we

600
00:32:18.440 --> 00:32:20.839
<v Speaker 1>left here, we went to Mary and James Johnson's roadhouse,

601
00:32:20.880 --> 00:32:24.400
<v Speaker 1>a combination restaurant, bar, etc. And that was invented. Yes.

602
00:32:25.440 --> 00:32:27.960
<v Speaker 1>So here he's saying that they stayed in Vinton that night,

603
00:32:28.039 --> 00:32:29.960
<v Speaker 1>the night of the twenty second, which is not true

604
00:32:29.960 --> 00:32:31.519
<v Speaker 1>because they went to the Ala Motel at four in

605
00:32:31.599 --> 00:32:35.839
<v Speaker 1>the morning. Right, David Ferry wasn't on this trip, not

606
00:32:35.960 --> 00:32:41.839
<v Speaker 1>at all. David Ferry was by this time in ham

607
00:32:41.839 --> 00:32:48.039
<v Speaker 1>and Louisiana. So let me continue. That was invented. Yes,

608
00:32:48.160 --> 00:32:50.640
<v Speaker 1>So what made you decide to go to Vinton? Sooner

609
00:32:50.759 --> 00:32:52.000
<v Speaker 1>or later? I was going to have to go there

610
00:32:52.039 --> 00:32:55.440
<v Speaker 1>for Gil. This was two birds with one stone. What'd

611
00:32:55.440 --> 00:32:57.839
<v Speaker 1>you do in Vinton talked to Mary and James Johnson

612
00:32:58.119 --> 00:33:00.480
<v Speaker 1>the night of the twenty second? Yes, I think so.

613
00:33:01.000 --> 00:33:02.799
<v Speaker 1>Once again, if I could get the record, I could

614
00:33:02.839 --> 00:33:05.400
<v Speaker 1>tell you. So don't forget this was three years ago.

615
00:33:07.279 --> 00:33:10.319
<v Speaker 1>Then you went to Houston after Vinton. I'm recollecting it

616
00:33:10.359 --> 00:33:12.759
<v Speaker 1>that way right now. The reasons I'm saying this. When

617
00:33:12.759 --> 00:33:15.079
<v Speaker 1>we left Galveston, we decided to go look for geese.

618
00:33:15.519 --> 00:33:18.200
<v Speaker 1>I remember I boarded a ferry across a channel down

619
00:33:18.359 --> 00:33:21.160
<v Speaker 1>along the south shore. We did, in fact get to

620
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<v Speaker 1>the geese and where there were thousands, but you couldn't

621
00:33:23.519 --> 00:33:27.039
<v Speaker 1>approach them. They were a wise bunch of birds. Did

622
00:33:27.079 --> 00:33:30.279
<v Speaker 1>you kill him the geese? No? Was that early in

623
00:33:30.319 --> 00:33:34.680
<v Speaker 1>the morning daylight, but not early morning. That would be

624
00:33:34.680 --> 00:33:37.200
<v Speaker 1>about the twenty fourth. You went to Vin in Houston

625
00:33:37.240 --> 00:33:39.240
<v Speaker 1>and in Galveston. I say, it's all right in the

626
00:33:39.279 --> 00:33:42.960
<v Speaker 1>absence of anything else. What I say, it is all

627
00:33:43.079 --> 00:33:46.960
<v Speaker 1>right in the absence of anything else. After Galveston, then

628
00:33:46.960 --> 00:33:50.960
<v Speaker 1>what we decided to go to Alexandria, Louisiana, where boboof

629
00:33:51.000 --> 00:33:53.519
<v Speaker 1>had some relatives. Then we got the idea of staying

630
00:33:53.519 --> 00:33:56.079
<v Speaker 1>there for two or three days. I decided to call

631
00:33:56.119 --> 00:33:57.799
<v Speaker 1>Gil and tell him we were not coming back for

632
00:33:57.799 --> 00:34:00.200
<v Speaker 1>a couple days. Gil told me you better get back.

633
00:34:00.440 --> 00:34:03.400
<v Speaker 1>We're in major trouble. Jack Martin told Klein that I

634
00:34:03.480 --> 00:34:07.039
<v Speaker 1>knew Lee Harvey Oswald had conspired with Oswald in the

635
00:34:07.079 --> 00:34:10.320
<v Speaker 1>assassination of Kennedy. I came back, and don't recall which

636
00:34:10.400 --> 00:34:13.280
<v Speaker 1>day it was, sat in this very office, I was

637
00:34:13.320 --> 00:34:16.920
<v Speaker 1>pretty much surrounded by investigators and everybody clin asked me

638
00:34:16.920 --> 00:34:19.360
<v Speaker 1>pretty much the questions you're asking me now. They showed

639
00:34:19.400 --> 00:34:21.880
<v Speaker 1>me four or five police photos of people and asked

640
00:34:21.880 --> 00:34:24.079
<v Speaker 1>if I could identify them, and I couldn't. One was

641
00:34:24.119 --> 00:34:26.320
<v Speaker 1>supposed to be Lee Harvey Oswald for an arrest for

642
00:34:26.360 --> 00:34:29.280
<v Speaker 1>disturbing the peace here in New Orleans. Klein decided that

643
00:34:29.360 --> 00:34:32.119
<v Speaker 1>I did know Lee Harvey Oswald and arrested me as

644
00:34:32.119 --> 00:34:34.320
<v Speaker 1>a fugitive from Texas, and they took me over the

645
00:34:34.320 --> 00:34:36.800
<v Speaker 1>four first District. I stayed there for a couple of

646
00:34:36.840 --> 00:34:41.239
<v Speaker 1>days while all this was checked out. How long did

647
00:34:41.239 --> 00:34:43.719
<v Speaker 1>you stay in Alexandria. I don't think a full day.

648
00:34:43.760 --> 00:34:46.679
<v Speaker 1>I don't recall staying overnight, and somewhere along the line

649
00:34:46.880 --> 00:34:49.119
<v Speaker 1>we thought we'd better check in, and that's when Gil

650
00:34:49.159 --> 00:34:51.760
<v Speaker 1>told me to come back at once. Had you arrange

651
00:34:51.760 --> 00:34:55.519
<v Speaker 1>for gasoline? I don't recall. Do you have a credit card? No?

652
00:34:55.519 --> 00:34:59.039
<v Speaker 1>None at all. No. Was the trip uneventful? Did you

653
00:34:59.079 --> 00:35:03.119
<v Speaker 1>have any difficulty? None that I can recall. The events

654
00:35:03.119 --> 00:35:06.280
<v Speaker 1>that stay in mind are ice skating, deadness in Galveston,

655
00:35:06.599 --> 00:35:08.960
<v Speaker 1>geese in the phone call to Gill. Did you do

656
00:35:09.000 --> 00:35:13.639
<v Speaker 1>any hunting in Alexandria? I don't believe we did again,

657
00:35:13.840 --> 00:35:15.519
<v Speaker 1>I would have to go back to something else and

658
00:35:15.559 --> 00:35:18.480
<v Speaker 1>refresh my memory. Did you meet any friends? Do you

659
00:35:18.480 --> 00:35:21.400
<v Speaker 1>have any acquaintances in any of those towns? I know

660
00:35:21.480 --> 00:35:24.639
<v Speaker 1>Mary and James Johnson a business acquaintance. No one in

661
00:35:24.679 --> 00:35:28.519
<v Speaker 1>Houston or Galveston. How about Alexandria. These would be bo

662
00:35:28.599 --> 00:35:31.880
<v Speaker 1>Boof's relatives. Did you all three come back together? Just

663
00:35:31.920 --> 00:35:35.119
<v Speaker 1>the three of us, boboof Coffee and myself around that

664
00:35:35.119 --> 00:35:37.840
<v Speaker 1>particular time in that area was mos What was Morris

665
00:35:37.880 --> 00:35:41.960
<v Speaker 1>Browne doing? I don't even know right now. He was

666
00:35:42.000 --> 00:35:43.639
<v Speaker 1>just a friend of yours or was he in your unit?

667
00:35:44.079 --> 00:35:45.760
<v Speaker 1>I don't think you ever joined the Civil Air Patrol.

668
00:35:45.840 --> 00:35:48.840
<v Speaker 1>This is going back twel over thirteen years around that

669
00:35:48.840 --> 00:35:51.719
<v Speaker 1>particular time. Did you ever go hunting with Morris? Does

670
00:35:51.760 --> 00:35:54.840
<v Speaker 1>Morris ever go hunting? I would imagine so. I don't

671
00:35:54.840 --> 00:35:56.920
<v Speaker 1>know if he ever went hunting with me. I don't know.

672
00:35:57.039 --> 00:35:59.239
<v Speaker 1>This isn't the kind of thing you remember. Did you

673
00:35:59.239 --> 00:36:01.679
<v Speaker 1>ever take any trip with Morris? Yes? I think so,

674
00:36:02.599 --> 00:36:04.400
<v Speaker 1>but I'm not sure about this. I would have to

675
00:36:04.440 --> 00:36:06.639
<v Speaker 1>ask a Gill. Somewhere back in sixty one or sixty two,

676
00:36:06.679 --> 00:36:08.320
<v Speaker 1>I had to go to Mississippi for Gill on an

677
00:36:08.320 --> 00:36:11.000
<v Speaker 1>old bill. I believe I took Brownly with me because

678
00:36:11.000 --> 00:36:12.719
<v Speaker 1>at the time he was doing a little work for Gil.

679
00:36:13.280 --> 00:36:15.599
<v Speaker 1>I believe it on one of the many trips we

680
00:36:15.639 --> 00:36:18.199
<v Speaker 1>took to Vinton, because we were back and forth quite

681
00:36:18.199 --> 00:36:20.400
<v Speaker 1>a number of times. I believe he was on one

682
00:36:20.440 --> 00:36:27.199
<v Speaker 1>of those. Morris went along with Alice Goodow. Oh, that's

683
00:36:27.239 --> 00:36:31.039
<v Speaker 1>Alice Gidro's Gill secretary, and I went down to one

684
00:36:31.079 --> 00:36:33.519
<v Speaker 1>of the small towns New Iberia or somewhere there was

685
00:36:33.559 --> 00:36:36.360
<v Speaker 1>a murder case where a defendant had to be interviewed.

686
00:36:37.599 --> 00:36:39.760
<v Speaker 1>That was sixty one and sixty two could have been

687
00:36:39.800 --> 00:36:44.280
<v Speaker 1>sixty three. Do you recall where you stayed in Galveston? Nope?

688
00:36:44.519 --> 00:36:47.360
<v Speaker 1>Do you recall where you stayed in Alexandria, Nope. My

689
00:36:47.440 --> 00:36:49.760
<v Speaker 1>only source would be the FBI. See, Ferry doesn't have

690
00:36:49.800 --> 00:36:52.440
<v Speaker 1>a clue. He doesn't have a clue because he wasn't there.

691
00:36:55.280 --> 00:36:57.000
<v Speaker 1>And he says, go and he's like, the only source

692
00:36:57.039 --> 00:36:58.800
<v Speaker 1>would be the FBI, like they got your back or something,

693
00:36:59.400 --> 00:37:03.920
<v Speaker 1>which they did, which is crazy. Vol says, you're positive

694
00:37:04.119 --> 00:37:06.760
<v Speaker 1>that all three of you came back together. Ferry says,

695
00:37:06.800 --> 00:37:09.239
<v Speaker 1>that's my recollection. The only way I would know for

696
00:37:09.239 --> 00:37:12.960
<v Speaker 1>sure is to call mister Wall or the individual. What

697
00:37:13.079 --> 00:37:16.840
<v Speaker 1>is he talking about? But you're positive it was just

698
00:37:16.880 --> 00:37:18.679
<v Speaker 1>the three of you that went and came back. Have

699
00:37:18.800 --> 00:37:21.039
<v Speaker 1>you ever gone to Dallas? Yes? I was in Dallas

700
00:37:21.079 --> 00:37:24.440
<v Speaker 1>in March or April of this year. How about around

701
00:37:24.480 --> 00:37:26.840
<v Speaker 1>the time you went to Houston? Thank god? Know, as

702
00:37:26.840 --> 00:37:28.400
<v Speaker 1>Gil said, if I had been in Dallas, I would

703
00:37:28.440 --> 00:37:31.039
<v Speaker 1>have been in jail since it came up earlier. You

704
00:37:31.079 --> 00:37:32.760
<v Speaker 1>said you were supposed to have taught Oswald how to

705
00:37:32.760 --> 00:37:34.960
<v Speaker 1>shoot a rifle. Have you ever taught anybody how to

706
00:37:34.960 --> 00:37:37.639
<v Speaker 1>shoot a rifle? Yes? This is in the Civil Air

707
00:37:37.679 --> 00:37:39.760
<v Speaker 1>Patrol Cadet program. Teach him how to shoot a twenty

708
00:37:39.760 --> 00:37:44.239
<v Speaker 1>two and sometimes something heavier. It's part of the program.

709
00:37:44.920 --> 00:37:46.599
<v Speaker 1>Did you teach any of these boys who were on

710
00:37:46.639 --> 00:37:49.199
<v Speaker 1>the trip with you to shoot coffee? I don't know.

711
00:37:49.519 --> 00:37:53.280
<v Speaker 1>Bo Boof was a born hunter. How about Brownly? He

712
00:37:53.360 --> 00:37:55.400
<v Speaker 1>likes the outdoors, but whether he goes hunting, I don't know.

713
00:37:56.559 --> 00:37:59.480
<v Speaker 1>He's the type that would collect botanical specimens, or if

714
00:37:59.519 --> 00:38:02.199
<v Speaker 1>he did, he would use a bow and arrow instead

715
00:38:02.239 --> 00:38:05.639
<v Speaker 1>of shooting. You say Morris wasn't interested in guns. I

716
00:38:05.639 --> 00:38:07.960
<v Speaker 1>don't know, one way or the other. Morris always seemed

717
00:38:07.960 --> 00:38:09.960
<v Speaker 1>to come up with an amazing fund of information of

718
00:38:10.000 --> 00:38:13.000
<v Speaker 1>all kinds of things. At this moment, my recollection of

719
00:38:13.000 --> 00:38:16.239
<v Speaker 1>Morris is that his interest would be physics, rocketry, electronics,

720
00:38:16.280 --> 00:38:20.000
<v Speaker 1>and philosophy. Was he ever on these cadet training encampments

721
00:38:20.039 --> 00:38:22.679
<v Speaker 1>that you talk about. I don't recall one way or

722
00:38:22.679 --> 00:38:25.559
<v Speaker 1>the other. If you're interested in completing this thing, I

723
00:38:25.599 --> 00:38:27.199
<v Speaker 1>will try to remember and write it down for you.

724
00:38:27.960 --> 00:38:31.559
<v Speaker 1>What are you doing now? Flying for anybody? In particular

725
00:38:31.920 --> 00:38:35.599
<v Speaker 1>flying for myself flight instructions. One of your former associates

726
00:38:35.639 --> 00:38:39.639
<v Speaker 1>is one of my customers, Jerry Aurelio. I feel reasonably

727
00:38:39.639 --> 00:38:41.880
<v Speaker 1>confident that the FBI agents who worked on this would

728
00:38:41.920 --> 00:38:44.960
<v Speaker 1>cooperate and I could get other names, the times and

729
00:38:45.000 --> 00:38:46.800
<v Speaker 1>everything else, because at the time we had to work

730
00:38:46.800 --> 00:38:50.159
<v Speaker 1>out a rather fabulous time schedule. They worked out Oswald's

731
00:38:50.159 --> 00:38:53.079
<v Speaker 1>and mine too. Then I could give you more definite answers.

732
00:38:55.440 --> 00:38:57.760
<v Speaker 1>The two boys that went to Texas with you, were

733
00:38:57.840 --> 00:38:59.679
<v Speaker 1>they in your unit at the time. I was not

734
00:38:59.679 --> 00:39:02.079
<v Speaker 1>in the same air patrol at the time. Do you

735
00:39:02.079 --> 00:39:03.679
<v Speaker 1>know if they knew Morris Dan They're asking a lot

736
00:39:03.679 --> 00:39:05.920
<v Speaker 1>of questions about Morris Browne. They must know something that

737
00:39:05.960 --> 00:39:09.960
<v Speaker 1>I don't. Yes, I think so, And what connection? In

738
00:39:09.960 --> 00:39:16.000
<v Speaker 1>to what depth? I'm not sure. What was Coffee's first name, Melvin?

739
00:39:16.679 --> 00:39:19.159
<v Speaker 1>He worked at Michaud. When was the last time you

740
00:39:19.159 --> 00:39:22.440
<v Speaker 1>saw coffee or Bobu? I see Bobou routinely, but coffee

741
00:39:22.480 --> 00:39:24.559
<v Speaker 1>not for a long time. He was upset about this

742
00:39:24.679 --> 00:39:28.480
<v Speaker 1>because of his job. Who does Bobu fly for? He's

743
00:39:28.480 --> 00:39:31.000
<v Speaker 1>not employed as a pilot. He's looking for that kind

744
00:39:31.000 --> 00:39:34.239
<v Speaker 1>of employment. Do you know what he's doing now working

745
00:39:34.239 --> 00:39:36.159
<v Speaker 1>for his father in law in a meat packing place.

746
00:39:38.599 --> 00:39:41.440
<v Speaker 1>Do you make a decent living with this flying? I

747
00:39:41.480 --> 00:39:43.119
<v Speaker 1>make a living. I don't know how decent it is.

748
00:39:43.639 --> 00:39:47.000
<v Speaker 1>Do you do any charter flying occasionally? Have you done

749
00:39:47.000 --> 00:39:50.280
<v Speaker 1>any charter flying in the sixties, In the first part

750
00:39:50.320 --> 00:39:52.239
<v Speaker 1>of sixty one up until sixty one, it was all

751
00:39:52.320 --> 00:39:56.320
<v Speaker 1>air carrier for an Airlines Eastern during that time. In

752
00:39:56.320 --> 00:39:59.719
<v Speaker 1>your spare time, did you do any flying civil air

753
00:39:59.719 --> 00:40:03.599
<v Speaker 1>patrol instructions on the side. Did you do any charter work?

754
00:40:03.920 --> 00:40:06.719
<v Speaker 1>It is prohibited. Martin had me go into Cuba. It

755
00:40:06.760 --> 00:40:08.679
<v Speaker 1>was in the newspapers. In one hundred and ten mile

756
00:40:08.679 --> 00:40:11.679
<v Speaker 1>an hour plane with four hours of gas. Where you're

757
00:40:11.679 --> 00:40:13.880
<v Speaker 1>doing any charter flying at the time when he accused

758
00:40:13.920 --> 00:40:16.519
<v Speaker 1>you of this. No, I was supposed to be working

759
00:40:16.519 --> 00:40:18.519
<v Speaker 1>for the airline. I was also supposed to have gone

760
00:40:18.519 --> 00:40:22.000
<v Speaker 1>in nineteen sixty three. Klein asked me, if that summer

761
00:40:22.000 --> 00:40:24.760
<v Speaker 1>I'd been in Cuba, that was some more of Jack Martin.

762
00:40:24.960 --> 00:40:28.199
<v Speaker 1>Is Pershing Gervase still around? No, he's not in our

763
00:40:28.239 --> 00:40:31.280
<v Speaker 1>office anymore. Do you want to see him? Not especially?

764
00:40:31.360 --> 00:40:33.920
<v Speaker 1>I just wanted to refer you back to him as

765
00:40:33.960 --> 00:40:38.239
<v Speaker 1>to why I am in here this morning thinking about

766
00:40:38.280 --> 00:40:41.400
<v Speaker 1>Martin's personality, and Martin somehow gets to be near the

767
00:40:41.400 --> 00:40:43.519
<v Speaker 1>bride at every wedding, in the corpse at every funeral.

768
00:40:44.400 --> 00:40:47.440
<v Speaker 1>He somehow gets involved in civil and criminal affairs. Martin

769
00:40:47.440 --> 00:40:50.159
<v Speaker 1>gets in on all these interesting little things. He tried

770
00:40:50.199 --> 00:40:52.800
<v Speaker 1>to get Pershing Gervais on brutality. There was a big mess.

771
00:40:52.840 --> 00:40:55.320
<v Speaker 1>For a few days. I have sort of been speculating

772
00:40:55.320 --> 00:40:58.800
<v Speaker 1>on why I am here, and I think I and

773
00:40:58.920 --> 00:41:01.480
<v Speaker 1>then it cuts off and it picks up the Warren Report,

774
00:41:01.480 --> 00:41:03.559
<v Speaker 1>And I think Jack Martin would have seized on this

775
00:41:03.679 --> 00:41:07.159
<v Speaker 1>because this is exactly his type of meat. I imagine

776
00:41:07.159 --> 00:41:09.599
<v Speaker 1>he would come to someone like Frank Klein, Pershing Gervais

777
00:41:09.679 --> 00:41:14.639
<v Speaker 1>or Jim Garrison and sometimes Martin convinces himself on his confections.

778
00:41:14.760 --> 00:41:17.480
<v Speaker 1>Sometimes he doesn't. I know he was in the psych

779
00:41:17.559 --> 00:41:20.159
<v Speaker 1>ward in Charity for a while, and he was in

780
00:41:20.199 --> 00:41:22.559
<v Speaker 1>the psychic ward in Texas. He used to run a

781
00:41:22.599 --> 00:41:26.239
<v Speaker 1>diploma mill in Texas. You feel he's responsible for your

782
00:41:26.239 --> 00:41:29.039
<v Speaker 1>being here today? Yes, I feel it is a possibility.

783
00:41:29.639 --> 00:41:31.840
<v Speaker 1>Have you read any of these articles? No, I'm too

784
00:41:31.880 --> 00:41:34.519
<v Speaker 1>busy trying to earn a living. I do know I

785
00:41:34.519 --> 00:41:37.760
<v Speaker 1>have seen statements regarding Governor Connolly. I've got nothing to hide,

786
00:41:38.000 --> 00:41:39.559
<v Speaker 1>but I've been trying to figure out for the last

787
00:41:39.559 --> 00:41:41.639
<v Speaker 1>two days what I was being subpoened for. And I

788
00:41:41.679 --> 00:41:44.679
<v Speaker 1>tried calling everybody to find out what it was all about.

789
00:41:45.199 --> 00:41:47.599
<v Speaker 1>I tried Gil. He didn't know anything. The reason I'm

790
00:41:47.599 --> 00:41:49.960
<v Speaker 1>on this Martin thing is that Gil tells me three

791
00:41:50.039 --> 00:41:51.920
<v Speaker 1>or four days back, Martin called him and wanted to

792
00:41:51.920 --> 00:41:53.960
<v Speaker 1>know where I was, where I was working, and how

793
00:41:54.000 --> 00:41:57.679
<v Speaker 1>I could be reached. Gill and I speculated over various possibilities,

794
00:41:57.679 --> 00:41:59.800
<v Speaker 1>and this Kennedy thing was one of them. Would you

795
00:41:59.880 --> 00:42:02.760
<v Speaker 1>be willing to submit to a polygraph? Certainly I'd be

796
00:42:02.800 --> 00:42:04.760
<v Speaker 1>willing to submit to a truth serum. I have no

797
00:42:04.840 --> 00:42:11.719
<v Speaker 1>hesitation at all all right, So we got one more page.

798
00:42:13.440 --> 00:42:15.760
<v Speaker 1>Let me see other areas of information which were uncovered

799
00:42:15.800 --> 00:42:18.719
<v Speaker 1>during the investigation not previously known to Eastern So this

800
00:42:18.800 --> 00:42:20.960
<v Speaker 1>is another Eastern Airlines document and we'll probably wrap it

801
00:42:21.000 --> 00:42:24.199
<v Speaker 1>up after this. One Fairies record with the Civil Air

802
00:42:24.199 --> 00:42:28.440
<v Speaker 1>Patrol and his organization of an unauthorized unit. Two Fairies

803
00:42:28.480 --> 00:42:31.800
<v Speaker 1>connection with a club for juveniles known as the Omnipotence.

804
00:42:32.800 --> 00:42:35.599
<v Speaker 1>Three Fairies activities in New Orleans in connection with his

805
00:42:35.639 --> 00:42:40.559
<v Speaker 1>claim to have a PhD and to be a research psychologist.

806
00:42:40.800 --> 00:42:43.440
<v Speaker 1>Fairies public claims in New Orleans to be a graduate

807
00:42:43.480 --> 00:42:49.159
<v Speaker 1>of Phoenix University. Fairies involvement number five in nineteen sixty

808
00:42:49.159 --> 00:42:51.519
<v Speaker 1>in the case of a runaway juvenile. I'll share me

809
00:42:54.039 --> 00:42:58.840
<v Speaker 1>some handwritten notes here. I can't really read them. Six

810
00:42:59.000 --> 00:43:01.280
<v Speaker 1>Fairies visit to al share me while the boy was

811
00:43:01.280 --> 00:43:03.880
<v Speaker 1>in detention under the guise of being a doctor. Oh,

812
00:43:03.880 --> 00:43:05.599
<v Speaker 1>he snuck in and he asked to see his victim.

813
00:43:05.639 --> 00:43:11.320
<v Speaker 1>That's creepy. Seven Fairies involvement in nineteen sixty one in

814
00:43:11.320 --> 00:43:13.599
<v Speaker 1>the case of a runaway juvenile. Al Landry, so he

815
00:43:13.639 --> 00:43:16.440
<v Speaker 1>was involved in two cases of runaway juveniles. Order creep

816
00:43:18.039 --> 00:43:21.400
<v Speaker 1>Eight Fairies involvement with the Holy Catholic Apostolistic Church and

817
00:43:21.400 --> 00:43:25.599
<v Speaker 1>his expulsion from that organization. Nine Fairies involvement with the

818
00:43:25.599 --> 00:43:28.960
<v Speaker 1>American Medical Association, whereby he was worn to stop practicing

819
00:43:29.000 --> 00:43:33.880
<v Speaker 1>medicine or face criminal charges. Ten Federal Aviation Agency fine

820
00:43:33.920 --> 00:43:36.920
<v Speaker 1>in nineteen sixty for permitting a student pilot to solo

821
00:43:37.079 --> 00:43:41.280
<v Speaker 1>in his aircraft with a passenger. Eleven Fairies speech in

822
00:43:41.360 --> 00:43:44.280
<v Speaker 1>nineteen sixty one before his military order of World Wars,

823
00:43:44.320 --> 00:43:47.400
<v Speaker 1>which speech was stopped because of Fairies attacks upon the

824
00:43:47.400 --> 00:43:51.239
<v Speaker 1>President of the United States. Twelve Fairies claimed that some

825
00:43:51.360 --> 00:43:56.400
<v Speaker 1>Eastern employees were Communists and fellow travelers. Again his more

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<v Speaker 1>handwritten notes kind of illegible refuse will the ferry to

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<v Speaker 1>cooperate in company's investigation of above matters. On February eighteenth,

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen sixty three, the company attempted to continue its investigation

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<v Speaker 1>of the above matters by inquiries about them to Ferry.

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<v Speaker 1>He refused to answer any questions the above subjects, including

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<v Speaker 1>questions about his explanation as to why the criminal charges

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<v Speaker 1>had been brought against him. So this is all additional

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<v Speaker 1>stuff that Eastern Airlines discovered after the fact, and thus

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<v Speaker 1>they let him go so all right, and that actually

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<v Speaker 1>brings us to the end of the David Ferry File one,

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<v Speaker 1>Section two, and we will pick up on Monday with

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<v Speaker 1>the David Faerry File two Section one. I. We'll see

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<v Speaker 1>you then, guys,
