WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.280 --> 00:00:04.799 No, no, no, The solution was regally. The rock gem is Lisa. 2 00:00:04.679 --> 00:00:08.400 Oh please, how many sentences start with the word regally 3 00:00:09.320 --> 00:00:09.759 this one. 4 00:00:09.960 --> 00:00:11.000 Don't forgive me that. 5 00:00:13.919 --> 00:00:18.000 It's really Maggie Sherlock. You know, I have to point 6 00:00:18.039 --> 00:00:19.800 out that this only makes sense if I get the 7 00:00:19.839 --> 00:00:22.199 wrong answer. First, I said. 8 00:00:22.039 --> 00:00:39.479 Hush, four finger discount. Dude. 9 00:00:40.799 --> 00:00:43.000 Hey, guys, welcome to a four figure discount. With this 10 00:00:43.039 --> 00:00:44.880 week you're going to be solving some mysteries, which you know, 11 00:00:45.000 --> 00:00:47.520 I certainly love this guy over here certainly doesn't. It 12 00:00:47.640 --> 00:00:50.000 is their review of God Maggie going, I'm Dando. 13 00:00:49.880 --> 00:00:51.560 And I'm guy. Yes, what was my understanding? There will 14 00:00:51.560 --> 00:00:54.200 be no puzzles. There are many puzzles in. 15 00:00:54.799 --> 00:00:56.719 You don't like matts, matts or puzzles? Which do you prefer? 16 00:00:56.960 --> 00:01:00.479 Equations or puzzles? Matts is a puzzle? Means are good? 17 00:01:00.479 --> 00:01:01.759 Equations actually lead somewhere. 18 00:01:01.799 --> 00:01:05.200 Equations you know, they can build size scraper or they 19 00:01:05.200 --> 00:01:06.840 can send rockets to the moon or something like that. 20 00:01:07.000 --> 00:01:09.319 And if you watch numbers, if there's there's numbers everywhere, well, 21 00:01:09.359 --> 00:01:11.680 equations are everywhere. Did you ever did you finish numbers 22 00:01:11.719 --> 00:01:13.239 on how you gave up up the Season three you 23 00:01:13.359 --> 00:01:17.400 tapped out. Yeah, as we've discussed on our various shows 24 00:01:17.400 --> 00:01:19.239 that you were doing four figure discount those shows, if 25 00:01:19.239 --> 00:01:21.319 you binge them, you get very much over them quickly. 26 00:01:21.480 --> 00:01:23.439 That is correct, And I think we might go back 27 00:01:23.480 --> 00:01:25.200 to numbers, but it has to be we still haven't 28 00:01:25.200 --> 00:01:27.079 try the technique it. We're going to do it, Niclo 29 00:01:27.120 --> 00:01:30.120 and I where we get the shows that aren't bingeable, 30 00:01:30.159 --> 00:01:31.799 the ones that we've made for once a week, like 31 00:01:32.040 --> 00:01:35.439 House numbers, those kind of things. Right, Monk was another one, 32 00:01:35.519 --> 00:01:37.439 Monk Monk, whatever you want to call it, and watching 33 00:01:37.560 --> 00:01:39.959 the Monday night Monk, Tuesday night, this one and seeing 34 00:01:40.000 --> 00:01:41.480 if it makes it more enjoyable. 35 00:01:41.599 --> 00:01:43.959 One might say, the way we used to watch television, 36 00:01:45.480 --> 00:01:47.719 thought they were made for. That makes a whole bunch 37 00:01:47.719 --> 00:01:49.439 of sense, I've got to say. But yeah, you watch 38 00:01:49.640 --> 00:01:53.439 say numbers too often and you might see the formula anyway. 39 00:01:53.599 --> 00:01:57.000 But yeah, make the puzzle puzzles are kind of fun. Yeah, 40 00:01:57.040 --> 00:01:59.920 they're an interesting diversion, Yes, but gone make you go on. 41 00:02:00.159 --> 00:02:02.280 It's got some puzzles in it. It's got some stuff 42 00:02:02.280 --> 00:02:04.000 that I was not too mad on. 43 00:02:04.040 --> 00:02:06.719 We will discuss that as this episode progresses. I was 44 00:02:06.760 --> 00:02:08.319 a big fan of this because, as I said at 45 00:02:08.319 --> 00:02:10.439 the start, I'm a big fan of puzzles and mysteries, 46 00:02:10.759 --> 00:02:12.800 murder mysteries in particular, but I like these ones where 47 00:02:12.800 --> 00:02:14.960 you just got to solve equations, solve puzzles on the 48 00:02:14.960 --> 00:02:17.080 way to getting to the end game, which is why 49 00:02:17.120 --> 00:02:19.960 I'm a big fan of the escape rooms that are 50 00:02:19.960 --> 00:02:23.199 now booming everywhere around the world. People say Sore was 51 00:02:23.199 --> 00:02:26.120 the reason that escape room's kicked off, and I thought, Nah, 52 00:02:26.159 --> 00:02:28.120 I don't think so, because you're not trying to save 53 00:02:28.159 --> 00:02:29.800 your life, You're just trying to solve a puzzle. I 54 00:02:29.800 --> 00:02:31.960 think a lot of us you don't. You said you 55 00:02:32.000 --> 00:02:34.439 don't like solving puzzles, but I've always thought that people 56 00:02:34.759 --> 00:02:36.960 just like to solve things. Obviously, some. 57 00:02:39.319 --> 00:02:42.159 It it requires a little more mental bandwidth that I wanted 58 00:02:42.159 --> 00:02:45.240 to devote in my down time. Having said that, lou 59 00:02:45.280 --> 00:02:47.840 and I went to this thing at Felix's school where 60 00:02:48.159 --> 00:02:49.479 they had like a mystery thing. 61 00:02:49.599 --> 00:02:50.560 It wasn't like an. 62 00:02:50.520 --> 00:02:52.719 Escape room as such, but it's like we've set up 63 00:02:52.719 --> 00:02:55.159 a mystery and here are various clues that will help 64 00:02:55.199 --> 00:02:57.520 you solve it all the way through, and it's in 65 00:02:57.560 --> 00:02:58.479 a bunch of stages. 66 00:02:58.560 --> 00:03:00.800 It's everybody walking around the room the same time trying 67 00:03:00.800 --> 00:03:02.680 to solve it, because I fucking hate it when we 68 00:03:02.800 --> 00:03:04.759 got a bunch of parents sort of collaborating on shit. 69 00:03:05.000 --> 00:03:08.080 Yeah, honestly, I showed much more aptitude for it than 70 00:03:08.120 --> 00:03:08.840 I thought I would. 71 00:03:08.840 --> 00:03:10.319 I felt like Sherlock. 72 00:03:09.919 --> 00:03:14.639 Holmes or or Elliott Stable, except it wasn't a heinous crime. 73 00:03:14.680 --> 00:03:16.840 And I think that's why. Let's say the joke down 74 00:03:16.840 --> 00:03:18.599 there in the anus. But that's why I think I 75 00:03:18.759 --> 00:03:21.280 like those crime shows because they are very much this. 76 00:03:21.479 --> 00:03:24.000 They are solving puzzles on the way to get to 77 00:03:24.080 --> 00:03:27.280 the the what do you call them, the conclusion, the solution, 78 00:03:27.560 --> 00:03:30.159 who's the person the perpetrator of the Yeah, yes, indeed, 79 00:03:30.360 --> 00:03:32.599 this is obviously paying homage to a couple of things 80 00:03:32.599 --> 00:03:36.280 that were very big around this time two thousands. National 81 00:03:36.280 --> 00:03:39.599 Treasure two thousand and four was National Treasure. Treasure DaVinci 82 00:03:39.639 --> 00:03:41.680 co Book two thousand and three fell two thousand and six, 83 00:03:41.879 --> 00:03:44.120 a little late to the party of this episode, they 84 00:03:44.159 --> 00:03:46.360 still felt somewhat relevant. I feel like because at the 85 00:03:46.400 --> 00:03:50.159 time the da Vinci Code was massive. It was a phenomenon, 86 00:03:50.240 --> 00:03:52.680 incredibly big, see to the point where my mum she 87 00:03:52.719 --> 00:03:54.479 doesn't necessarily read too many books, and one of them 88 00:03:54.520 --> 00:03:56.240 that there was never many books in the Downer household 89 00:03:56.240 --> 00:03:58.840 growing up kids. Books, yes, but novels and no, no, no. 90 00:03:59.120 --> 00:04:00.719 But my mum had a copy of the DaVinci Code. 91 00:04:00.800 --> 00:04:03.520 I remember going, it must be big if mum's reading 92 00:04:03.520 --> 00:04:05.240 this book as well. Everyone loved the DaVinci Code, and 93 00:04:05.240 --> 00:04:07.039 it almost felt like at the time, if you didn't 94 00:04:07.039 --> 00:04:08.840 live through it, it might be listeners out there who aren't 95 00:04:08.840 --> 00:04:11.120 who weren't even alive when that book came out. In 96 00:04:11.120 --> 00:04:12.759 the movie and whatnot. The movie not so much of 97 00:04:12.800 --> 00:04:15.479 it as a huge success, but did all right, Everyone 98 00:04:15.520 --> 00:04:17.199 went to see it because of the book success, right, 99 00:04:17.319 --> 00:04:18.879 But I remember the book. If you hadn't read it, it 100 00:04:18.920 --> 00:04:20.360 almost felt like you were just out of the loop. 101 00:04:20.360 --> 00:04:22.920 It felt like you couldn't join in any conversation because 102 00:04:23.240 --> 00:04:24.959 the fear of it being spoiled, like, well, I just 103 00:04:25.000 --> 00:04:26.399 have to read this book just so it doesn't get 104 00:04:26.439 --> 00:04:28.399 Because everyone was talking about the da Vinci Code, it 105 00:04:28.439 --> 00:04:30.560 was certainly one of those things that's spilled over from 106 00:04:30.879 --> 00:04:34.160 bookshops to regular shops. Yeah, yeah, exactly. 107 00:04:34.199 --> 00:04:36.480 You'd see people picking it up add a big work 108 00:04:36.639 --> 00:04:39.279 mart or even the supermarket, as opposed to going into 109 00:04:39.639 --> 00:04:41.439 the mix. I guess that's the realm, sort of name 110 00:04:41.519 --> 00:04:42.879 brand bookstore we have these days. 111 00:04:42.959 --> 00:04:45.680 Airport's just stocked with them. Oh my goodness. Yes, yeah, 112 00:04:45.720 --> 00:04:47.839 but before it was the subtle art of not giving 113 00:04:47.839 --> 00:04:51.000 a fact. You had the DaVinci code everywhere. I love 114 00:04:51.079 --> 00:04:53.839 name checking that because Dano the Pierce. Last time, I 115 00:04:53.839 --> 00:04:56.040 haven't read it. Yeah yeah, yeah, no, it's a real thing. 116 00:04:56.519 --> 00:04:59.120 It was worth reading apparently apparently so No, he's pretty good. 117 00:04:59.160 --> 00:05:02.720 This Mark Benson go yea. He co wrote Will Smith's autobiography, Oh, 118 00:05:02.879 --> 00:05:04.800 which you're also a big fan of the Brick by Brick. 119 00:05:04.920 --> 00:05:06.600 I was a big fan of that part. Yes, that's 120 00:05:06.639 --> 00:05:10.199 all over it up to the audiobook. Actually that's that's 121 00:05:10.240 --> 00:05:16.920 the forward. It's like just to read. Okay, but yeah, gone, 122 00:05:17.000 --> 00:05:17.600 Maggie Gone. 123 00:05:17.639 --> 00:05:19.639 Full of puzzles. I imagine this is the reason you 124 00:05:19.720 --> 00:05:22.879 enjoyed it. But you enjoy puzzles and mysteries and things 125 00:05:22.879 --> 00:05:26.439 to be solved, it seems because you know you've introduced 126 00:05:26.519 --> 00:05:28.120 a couple of little mysteries into your house. 127 00:05:28.399 --> 00:05:31.800 We have indeed, yeah, they're called well, when we adopted them, 128 00:05:31.800 --> 00:05:35.319 they were called Carmen and cheesel. It's a little ginger 129 00:05:35.399 --> 00:05:38.319 kitten and a tabby kitten. You've seen them adorable, right, 130 00:05:38.600 --> 00:05:40.120 adorable in the way the kittens are. 131 00:05:40.279 --> 00:05:43.360 But kittens are adorable. These are ultra adorable because you've 132 00:05:43.360 --> 00:05:46.000 got media pose. But also you've got another cat on 133 00:05:46.040 --> 00:05:46.399 top of that. 134 00:05:46.600 --> 00:05:49.199 Yeah, so the the stray that's just living here now 135 00:05:49.480 --> 00:05:51.160 we put I tried to pull a Harry in the 136 00:05:51.160 --> 00:05:53.720 Henderson's last night. I was like, well, this cat, we 137 00:05:53.759 --> 00:05:55.839 can't really keep her, like we love her, she wants 138 00:05:55.879 --> 00:05:57.839 to We feel like she's always at the back door 139 00:05:57.839 --> 00:05:59.360 of meowing. It's like does she wanted to get out? 140 00:05:59.399 --> 00:06:01.120 So I took the collar off her. She had a 141 00:06:01.120 --> 00:06:08.560 little bout we don't leave she when she looked to 142 00:06:08.560 --> 00:06:10.639 be funny, they did to say, am I allowed to go? 143 00:06:10.720 --> 00:06:12.040 And she sort of wandered around the back. He'd be 144 00:06:12.040 --> 00:06:14.560 having a snif blah blah blah. I was like, go, well, 145 00:06:15.000 --> 00:06:16.800 I didn't get the cap obviously. I just closed the 146 00:06:16.839 --> 00:06:18.519 door and said and Ali looked at the wind. I said, 147 00:06:18.560 --> 00:06:20.319 aliottn't look at the cat. Just let it wander off 148 00:06:20.360 --> 00:06:21.680 and it's going to go back to its house. Just 149 00:06:21.720 --> 00:06:23.920 let it be right. To quote my man's sting if 150 00:06:23.959 --> 00:06:26.279 you love something, said it free exactly. Yeah. So I 151 00:06:26.360 --> 00:06:28.560 was just like, just just go go be free. You 152 00:06:28.560 --> 00:06:29.720 know you want to be out there, Just go go 153 00:06:29.720 --> 00:06:36.240 go right, And that's just imagining you as boat with 154 00:06:36.319 --> 00:06:44.680 his chicken. Go live your life free. And so about 155 00:06:44.680 --> 00:06:46.120 an hour later, I've got the kittens in the house 156 00:06:46.120 --> 00:06:48.199 and the kittens have to be separated because they got well. 157 00:06:48.279 --> 00:06:50.600 As I now know, kitten flew right, they've got a cold. 158 00:06:50.879 --> 00:06:52.720 So I just to spend some time taking to get there. 159 00:06:53.000 --> 00:06:55.000 I dotted him yesterday. I'm already taken him back once. 160 00:06:55.519 --> 00:06:59.240 I wanted a full refund, only got a seven day warranties, 161 00:06:59.480 --> 00:07:01.800 so can I can get a fixed for free? But anyway, 162 00:07:01.800 --> 00:07:03.360 so they had their antibiodox but about to be kicking. 163 00:07:03.399 --> 00:07:05.480 Separated a because they are a new cat and b 164 00:07:05.680 --> 00:07:08.560 because they're not well. Got the sniffles and whatnot. But 165 00:07:09.040 --> 00:07:10.680 what was I going for bed now or later? We're 166 00:07:10.680 --> 00:07:12.360 in the in the bathroom, that's where they're staying at 167 00:07:12.399 --> 00:07:16.120 the moment, and we're just here from outside, and to 168 00:07:16.240 --> 00:07:20.079 me it sounded like a cat was in pain. I thought, 169 00:07:20.639 --> 00:07:23.519 oh no, the cat's going under the fence next door. 170 00:07:23.519 --> 00:07:25.920 And there's a staffy next door and two little yet 171 00:07:26.240 --> 00:07:30.560 like ye yappy terriers behind us, and I thought, oh god, 172 00:07:30.600 --> 00:07:32.279 I've let the cat out and it's gone under the fence, 173 00:07:32.319 --> 00:07:33.680 and so got there's a dog down. The dog's going. 174 00:07:33.759 --> 00:07:36.600 I thought it was actually in pain, opened the door, 175 00:07:36.920 --> 00:07:38.839 and within like zero point two of a second, it's 176 00:07:38.920 --> 00:07:40.519 running back inside between my legs, just jumps on the 177 00:07:40.519 --> 00:07:42.160 couch and looks at me. And I was like, well, 178 00:07:42.160 --> 00:07:44.839 I guess you're living here too, then, So there you go. 179 00:07:44.920 --> 00:07:46.920 You're not just a cat dad. One time over You've 180 00:07:46.920 --> 00:07:47.959 got three cats in the house. 181 00:07:48.040 --> 00:07:50.439 Yeah. And Nikola got this collar. She won over, put 182 00:07:50.480 --> 00:07:52.399 it basically put a neck up and said yes please 183 00:07:52.879 --> 00:07:54.480 Nickels put the call in that on. So now she's 184 00:07:54.480 --> 00:07:57.399 heer cat sound dumb man. Yeah. So the kittens, yeah, 185 00:07:57.399 --> 00:07:59.439 so we got them yesterday. But originally they were going 186 00:07:59.480 --> 00:08:02.240 to just adopt Carmen, who's a little tabby kitten, and 187 00:08:02.240 --> 00:08:03.560 we went to pick her up they said come in. 188 00:08:03.720 --> 00:08:05.560 We get there, they say you can't adopt her because 189 00:08:05.600 --> 00:08:08.360 she's got sloppy poos and I was like fantastic. I said, 190 00:08:08.360 --> 00:08:09.759 it's going to take five days to make sure she 191 00:08:09.759 --> 00:08:11.720 got solid poo. But this is the reason I never 192 00:08:11.720 --> 00:08:13.800 get adopted exactly. Yeah, no one ever wants you anyway. 193 00:08:13.839 --> 00:08:17.160 So they isolate her and the three siblings from the 194 00:08:17.199 --> 00:08:20.759 litter in the same cage, and eventually they're still a 195 00:08:20.800 --> 00:08:23.240 bit sloppy, so they separate him into two. And though 196 00:08:23.240 --> 00:08:25.319 two that she the other one she became sort of 197 00:08:25.399 --> 00:08:28.639 really close with was a ginger cat named Cheesel. And 198 00:08:28.680 --> 00:08:30.600 I went to pick up Carmen, I looked at him 199 00:08:30.800 --> 00:08:32.559 and they just snug it up together. And I picked 200 00:08:32.600 --> 00:08:35.039 up Carmen with Holly and Elliott, and this little ginga 201 00:08:35.039 --> 00:08:37.519 cat looked up at me, is to say, but that's 202 00:08:37.519 --> 00:08:40.159 my best friend. And I was like, Okay, get in 203 00:08:40.200 --> 00:08:44.240 the car. We're adopting two. And it's good because they 204 00:08:44.519 --> 00:08:46.559 comfort for each other, their brother and sister. They love 205 00:08:46.600 --> 00:08:48.720 each other. And yes, and never got three cats. Went 206 00:08:48.759 --> 00:08:52.120 from having nothing, never have a cat again, to three cats. 207 00:08:52.440 --> 00:08:56.240 I remember not long ago, Rest in peace, Jet. Yeah, 208 00:08:56.360 --> 00:08:57.720 you were very much like I think. 209 00:08:57.759 --> 00:08:59.120 We're going to be a pet free house off for 210 00:08:59.120 --> 00:09:02.120 a little while to enjoy my three days, my time, 211 00:09:02.159 --> 00:09:05.000 my freedom, money base, a few days money. 212 00:09:05.159 --> 00:09:07.000 Well, the fucking cat has arrived at the back door. 213 00:09:07.000 --> 00:09:09.759 And I was like, Universe, what are you doing to me? 214 00:09:10.240 --> 00:09:13.080 Universe is realizing that you're a good and dependable soul. 215 00:09:13.159 --> 00:09:14.360 Someone can be a good cat dead. 216 00:09:14.480 --> 00:09:16.240 And the thing is to cats, you can sort of 217 00:09:16.519 --> 00:09:18.960 more independent. As you said, So like a dog, you 218 00:09:19.039 --> 00:09:21.240 have to make sure, hey, make sure he's fed, taking 219 00:09:21.360 --> 00:09:23.320 out for a shit, blah blah blah. Cat's like giddy 220 00:09:23.360 --> 00:09:25.559 lit up, you're right for a day, Give me a box, 221 00:09:25.639 --> 00:09:27.360 throwing me some food once in a while. Yeah, yeah, 222 00:09:27.360 --> 00:09:29.600 I look after myself. I actually watched the Big Cat 223 00:09:29.600 --> 00:09:31.919 before we get into Go and make it gone, legitimately 224 00:09:32.000 --> 00:09:34.200 hunt to fly today. So she sort of crash did 225 00:09:34.200 --> 00:09:35.399 the crash down, and the bubb was sort of like 226 00:09:35.440 --> 00:09:37.440 going and she's creep and I was like, I'm actually 227 00:09:37.440 --> 00:09:40.600 watching like a like like like the Nature documentary is 228 00:09:40.639 --> 00:09:42.919 like crawling the flights on the middler bitch. She stopped, 229 00:09:42.919 --> 00:09:44.799 she could pull back, and she kept and she sort 230 00:09:44.799 --> 00:09:47.279 of pounced. She looked around and a real under report. 231 00:09:47.320 --> 00:09:48.679 She's put in her mouth on it. And I was like, Eh, 232 00:09:49.120 --> 00:09:52.080 that's fucking crazy. Oh yeah, she hunted a fly. 233 00:09:52.279 --> 00:09:54.159 This sounds ridiculous, but yeah, there were certainly times when 234 00:09:54.159 --> 00:09:55.879 I've been sitting on the couch with Basing next to me, 235 00:09:55.919 --> 00:09:58.039 and uh, you know there'll be a nature documentary on 236 00:09:58.080 --> 00:10:01.559 and like a big cattle. That's you mate, Your DNA's 237 00:10:01.559 --> 00:10:03.679 in there. Eh, yeah, she was just I was like 238 00:10:04.039 --> 00:10:05.399 watching a lion hunt its prey. 239 00:10:05.440 --> 00:10:06.519 It was crazy. Oh, it's fascinating. 240 00:10:06.559 --> 00:10:08.720 Yeah, having a cat inside your house is yet not 241 00:10:08.919 --> 00:10:11.720 unlike just having a great nature documentary twenty four seven. 242 00:10:11.720 --> 00:10:13.279 It was pretty it was pretty cool to watch. Yeah. 243 00:10:13.320 --> 00:10:15.279 But and speaking of things that I enjoyed watching Go 244 00:10:15.360 --> 00:10:17.759 and Make It Gone, I really enjoyed this. So I 245 00:10:17.799 --> 00:10:21.440 thought this episode here was a really fun mystery in 246 00:10:21.480 --> 00:10:23.559 that it paid trio to National Treasure and Dvichica, as 247 00:10:23.559 --> 00:10:25.960 we said, two similar style of stories in the sense 248 00:10:26.000 --> 00:10:27.440 of them being they need to have to solve a 249 00:10:27.440 --> 00:10:29.399 bunch of clues and all the search for something. One 250 00:10:29.440 --> 00:10:31.200 being for adults, which is the Da Vinci Code and 251 00:10:31.320 --> 00:10:33.639 National Treasure adults can enjoy it, but that was more 252 00:10:33.679 --> 00:10:36.399 targeted at kids, right, And this one here, I think 253 00:10:36.399 --> 00:10:38.919 they did a fantastic job, the writers Billy Kimball and 254 00:10:38.960 --> 00:10:42.559 Ian Maxtow and Graham, of combining the two to produce 255 00:10:42.559 --> 00:10:44.320 a mystery that was crafted so well and that kids 256 00:10:44.360 --> 00:10:47.720 could really have fun trying to seriously crack these codes 257 00:10:47.759 --> 00:10:50.720 and crack these mysteries, right, and adults wouldn't feel like 258 00:10:50.799 --> 00:10:54.720 their intelligence is being insulted either. They're very simple to solve, 259 00:10:55.200 --> 00:10:57.879 but I don't think adults would go, oh god, it's 260 00:10:57.919 --> 00:11:00.480 pretty obvious. Yeah, And I think as a family unit, 261 00:11:00.720 --> 00:11:03.000 I would really enjoy watching this episode with Holly and Alliett. 262 00:11:03.000 --> 00:11:04.720 Holly still a bit too young, but I think Alliot 263 00:11:04.720 --> 00:11:06.759 would have fun trying to crack the code here. It 264 00:11:06.799 --> 00:11:08.799 almost like we would be like, who shot mister Burns 265 00:11:08.840 --> 00:11:09.279 kind of deal. 266 00:11:09.440 --> 00:11:12.480 Okay, Well, when you explain it that way, I understand 267 00:11:12.519 --> 00:11:15.519 a lot more about why you like it. I also 268 00:11:16.200 --> 00:11:18.879 understand a little more why I was like watching it 269 00:11:18.919 --> 00:11:21.559 in my solo household with a cat next to me. 270 00:11:21.639 --> 00:11:25.679 Guard. All Right, yep, fine, I mean, as I said, 271 00:11:25.840 --> 00:11:27.840 it's not really an episode problem. I think there were 272 00:11:27.879 --> 00:11:29.799 problems with the episode, with the writing, with the direction, 273 00:11:31.240 --> 00:11:32.840 a little bit with the direction, a little bit with 274 00:11:32.879 --> 00:11:35.840 the writing. Mostly it's a me problem. It's just like, yeah, 275 00:11:35.840 --> 00:11:38.159 this is just not my bag. I mean, I think 276 00:11:38.320 --> 00:11:41.240 I have issue with the way the family and the 277 00:11:41.320 --> 00:11:44.120 characters come across. See I based a lot of my 278 00:11:44.360 --> 00:11:46.960 enjoyment of the episodes, I think modern day ones on 279 00:11:47.080 --> 00:11:49.840 the use of Homer, right, and Marge was terrible in 280 00:11:49.879 --> 00:11:51.759 the last one as well. They no Lonik, and I thought, sure, yeah, 281 00:11:51.960 --> 00:11:54.639 all terrible people. I think in contrast to that, I 282 00:11:54.679 --> 00:11:56.879 actually thought they were all written quite well. In this 283 00:11:57.159 --> 00:11:59.480 Lisa in particular was handled quite well and that she 284 00:11:59.679 --> 00:12:03.120 was obnoxious, but not enough where you disliked her, but 285 00:12:03.120 --> 00:12:05.600 you also enjoyed the fact that she wasn't the golden 286 00:12:05.600 --> 00:12:07.159 girl at the end because you're sort of all high 287 00:12:07.200 --> 00:12:09.759 and mighty. I guess, yeah, I mean that's a I 288 00:12:09.799 --> 00:12:12.000 guess a valuable lesson that you can take away from it. 289 00:12:12.000 --> 00:12:13.919 I mean, dear, don't get too high on your own supply. 290 00:12:15.120 --> 00:12:17.480 For you, she stayed on the on the right side obnoxious. 291 00:12:17.480 --> 00:12:20.279 For me, she's tripped over into the bad side of 292 00:12:20.320 --> 00:12:22.480 obnox I thought you were just a bit smug and 293 00:12:22.559 --> 00:12:25.679 a bit self satisfied. Maybe that's the point, but I 294 00:12:25.679 --> 00:12:27.919 would have had I would have preferred the come up 295 00:12:27.960 --> 00:12:30.919 and at the end to be a little bit more. Yeah, 296 00:12:31.000 --> 00:12:34.519 what I learned something today as opposed to know her 297 00:12:34.600 --> 00:12:35.279 just being kind of. 298 00:12:35.240 --> 00:12:39.759 Oh it's not me, okay, fine, Yeah, she's the right 299 00:12:39.879 --> 00:12:42.440 character to be doing this kind of thing. If you're 300 00:12:42.480 --> 00:12:44.840 going to have an episode where it's all we have 301 00:12:44.919 --> 00:12:46.720 to solve a mystery, we have the puzzle to sort 302 00:12:46.720 --> 00:12:49.840 of unravel or whatever. You're sure you want someone who's 303 00:12:49.840 --> 00:12:53.320 smart doing that. I don't think you necessarily need someone 304 00:12:53.320 --> 00:12:55.080 who's like, well, of course I knew this. 305 00:12:56.039 --> 00:12:58.600 I found that just a little bit of a drag. Yeah, yeah, 306 00:12:58.639 --> 00:13:00.480 just kind of smug and stuck up. Which is why 307 00:13:00.519 --> 00:13:02.639 I thought the switch of Lisa being wrong was actually 308 00:13:02.639 --> 00:13:05.320 well played, because I when she solved it, when she 309 00:13:05.320 --> 00:13:08.440 said regally, I thought, that's a weird sentence. It seems 310 00:13:08.440 --> 00:13:12.480 a bit forced. No, that was maybe by accident, but 311 00:13:12.519 --> 00:13:15.639 her subconsciously solving in a way that would make her 312 00:13:15.720 --> 00:13:18.120 the golden girl and Maggie, Like, does she actually know 313 00:13:18.240 --> 00:13:19.919 Maggie was the one and she sort of changes so 314 00:13:19.960 --> 00:13:22.399 she would make herself feel special or did she just 315 00:13:22.440 --> 00:13:22.960 get it wrong? 316 00:13:24.000 --> 00:13:27.639 Yeah, I'm leaning towards she just got it wrong, but 317 00:13:27.679 --> 00:13:30.600 her subconscious makes her change it so that she feels 318 00:13:30.600 --> 00:13:33.480 like she's important, because that's it's understandable why because for 319 00:13:33.480 --> 00:13:34.000 the most. 320 00:13:33.840 --> 00:13:37.080 Part, her intelligence, intelligence and talents are sort of not 321 00:13:37.200 --> 00:13:40.159 wasted away but sort of fobbed off amongst the chaos 322 00:13:40.200 --> 00:13:43.440 of the family. They're not valued. Yeah, so she has 323 00:13:43.440 --> 00:13:45.200 to sort of fight and scratching claw for every bit 324 00:13:45.240 --> 00:13:47.919 of acknowledgment she can get, so she even her subconscious 325 00:13:47.919 --> 00:13:51.279 is trying to go No, you area, that's a really 326 00:13:51.320 --> 00:13:53.399 good point, and I hadn't. I hadn't viewed it that way. 327 00:13:53.399 --> 00:13:54.720 So I'm glad that you brought it up, and I'm 328 00:13:54.720 --> 00:13:58.440 glad you're helping me solve this puzzle. You mentioned the 329 00:13:58.440 --> 00:14:02.279 directing before visual I actually thought this was probably the 330 00:14:02.279 --> 00:14:05.519 best HD era episode we've had to date, in particular 331 00:14:05.759 --> 00:14:09.039 just the the shot of the eclipse, when the moon 332 00:14:09.120 --> 00:14:11.200 or the planets or sort of like lining up. It 333 00:14:11.200 --> 00:14:15.080 looked almost like three D animation. And the exterior shots 334 00:14:15.080 --> 00:14:17.120 as well, I thought were really great. The use of shadows. 335 00:14:17.120 --> 00:14:19.080 The shadows are really standing out at the moment because 336 00:14:19.080 --> 00:14:21.399 they didn't have shadows as much when they were hand drawn. 337 00:14:21.639 --> 00:14:24.480 This one. It just looked really nice in particular shots, 338 00:14:24.559 --> 00:14:26.639 and I really liked when Lisa was looking up at 339 00:14:26.639 --> 00:14:28.720 the Springfield sign you can see the words written on it. 340 00:14:28.960 --> 00:14:30.080 That looked cool as well. 341 00:14:30.159 --> 00:14:32.519 Yeah, No, it's had a real sort of I guess 342 00:14:32.600 --> 00:14:35.039 cinematic or even prestige TV sort of aspect to it, 343 00:14:35.080 --> 00:14:36.960 and just yeah, that eclipse scene in particular, I thought 344 00:14:37.080 --> 00:14:40.240 was really I don't think it's overstating this beautifully done. 345 00:14:40.240 --> 00:14:43.960 I thought it was very very well directed. The visuals 346 00:14:43.960 --> 00:14:45.960 were great. The visuals were you know, just sort of 347 00:14:46.000 --> 00:14:49.799 an elegant is yeah, the word ide is. But the 348 00:14:49.840 --> 00:14:51.360 music I thought was just beautiful as well. 349 00:14:51.440 --> 00:14:54.000 I thought it was really well put together scene and 350 00:14:54.039 --> 00:14:57.159 not something I was necessarily expecting from this episode or 351 00:14:57.159 --> 00:14:58.639 from the Simpsons episode in general. 352 00:14:58.799 --> 00:15:01.639 So the score and the writing were both nominated for 353 00:15:01.759 --> 00:15:04.320 various awards as well, and critics love this one. This 354 00:15:04.399 --> 00:15:06.639 was given a's across the board. This episode people really 355 00:15:06.679 --> 00:15:09.360 really enjoyed. Maybe it was an episode that at the 356 00:15:09.399 --> 00:15:12.960 time it felt more relevant and enjoyable because the Vinci 357 00:15:13.039 --> 00:15:14.799 Code National Treasure was still in the front of people's 358 00:15:14.840 --> 00:15:17.159 minds to an extent. I'm not too sure. Quite possibly 359 00:15:17.360 --> 00:15:19.600 were maybe all the Vinci code pilled around that time, 360 00:15:19.720 --> 00:15:22.120 but I just think the over what, I don't have 361 00:15:22.159 --> 00:15:23.759 any memory of watching this movie, so I'm watching this 362 00:15:23.799 --> 00:15:25.480 in twenty twenty five with a fresh mind, and I 363 00:15:25.559 --> 00:15:27.440 just think it was structured really well. I really enjoyed it. 364 00:15:27.480 --> 00:15:29.840 I like the fact that the first act actually played 365 00:15:29.879 --> 00:15:32.240 into the overall story without you actually realizing, and the 366 00:15:32.240 --> 00:15:35.480 total eclipse, because how often are they guilty in recent 367 00:15:35.519 --> 00:15:38.399 times of just having a story and going this is 368 00:15:38.799 --> 00:15:40.440 this is entertaining, but not enough for a full episode. 369 00:15:40.480 --> 00:15:42.320 Let's just cram it in here. And it feels so 370 00:15:42.360 --> 00:15:43.840 for you get to the end of the first act 371 00:15:43.879 --> 00:15:46.120 and you go, oh, so now the episode starting right 372 00:15:46.360 --> 00:15:47.519 And I used to do that in the Golden Ear 373 00:15:47.600 --> 00:15:50.240 as well, but this one here you could very much 374 00:15:50.240 --> 00:15:52.080 say the total that the eclipse part was just its 375 00:15:52.120 --> 00:15:54.360 own story, but no, that actually plays into the overall one, 376 00:15:54.399 --> 00:15:55.840 and you don't realize that till about two thirds of 377 00:15:55.879 --> 00:15:58.240 the way in as well, so everything follows it. Well, yeah, 378 00:15:58.279 --> 00:15:59.639 that's a good point, and that sets up the b 379 00:15:59.720 --> 00:16:02.320 plot of Marge not being able to see, which wasn't 380 00:16:02.360 --> 00:16:05.480 particularly focused on all that much, as they'd sometimes go 381 00:16:05.600 --> 00:16:08.440 back to it. But why do you think they needed 382 00:16:08.440 --> 00:16:11.120 to have Marge not be able to see? Is that 383 00:16:11.240 --> 00:16:13.200 something from one of the films that I'm missing. 384 00:16:13.240 --> 00:16:15.240 Not that I'm aware of. I mean, I don't recall 385 00:16:15.279 --> 00:16:17.039 that being a national treasure and I. 386 00:16:16.960 --> 00:16:18.480 Don't think it's in the Da Vinci code at all. 387 00:16:18.519 --> 00:16:21.600 I'm pretty sure there's no sort of blind characters or 388 00:16:21.639 --> 00:16:23.799 anything like that. I suppose you got the payoff at 389 00:16:23.840 --> 00:16:27.080 the end where she takes the blindfold off at least sorry, 390 00:16:27.120 --> 00:16:30.399 Maggie takes the blindfold off Marge. And you know, it's 391 00:16:30.440 --> 00:16:32.960 a nice sort of not reveal, that's not the right term, 392 00:16:33.000 --> 00:16:36.039 but reunion. Yeah, I guess most of some of it 393 00:16:36.120 --> 00:16:37.679 well peaced or you know, you're the most beautiful thing 394 00:16:37.679 --> 00:16:39.200 I've ever seen, or something along those lines. We will 395 00:16:39.200 --> 00:16:41.360 get to it. But I thought was really really nice ending. 396 00:16:41.399 --> 00:16:42.799 I think if you stick the lending, the ending was 397 00:16:42.840 --> 00:16:44.799 a bit far fetched, which I've got my notes here, 398 00:16:44.799 --> 00:16:47.320 But before the Bart bit, I thought the ending was 399 00:16:47.679 --> 00:16:50.200 quite really well put together in my opinion. But getting 400 00:16:50.240 --> 00:16:53.759 back to the visual, so, I just think I was 401 00:16:54.120 --> 00:16:56.320