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Speaker 4: Ron Brad.
Speaker 5: It is always a pleasure to join you guys on
what may be a beautiful day in the great state
of Utah.
Speaker 4: Uh, not so much of the Pacific Northwest.
Speaker 6: Oh.
Speaker 5: Cloudy with significant showers just over the Modus Center in Portland,
which in two days time will be the site of
BYU men's basketball opening up. It's thirty third NCAA men's
basketball tournament against either Texas.
Speaker 4: Or North Carolina State. So beautiful weather in Utah.
Speaker 5: Not sure why I flew into this in Portland, but
it's all right, guys hashtag first row problems.
Speaker 4: I'll get over it.
Speaker 2: Hey, look, you got a job to fulfill. We do too,
Glad that you're flying out there. Obviously have some personal
family matters to attend to. I won't be out there,
but if YU get to the second weekend the Sweet sixteen,
I will be taking that. That will be in San Jose.
You mentioned Portland. How do you like the region? Sean by?
You can only have gone to the West or the South.
Is this their best draw that they could have gotten?
Because they have to take on the winner of Texas
and Sea State tonight. Obviously preparing for both teams. But
if they're able to get this matchup and win, they
play I think a three seed Gonzaga who is dealing
with some injuries, this seems like a favorable draw.
Speaker 3: Let's say, uh yeah, the.
Speaker 4: Draw I think is interesting.
Speaker 5: It's a little bit unique, especially because you know, as
we as we record this, as you guys listen to it,
we'll learn later tonight obviously, but BYU.
Speaker 4: Still doesn't know its opponent.
Speaker 5: They'll place the winner of the first four game for
an eleven seed between Texas and North Carolina State. B
YU hasn't been on the receiving end of a first
four game like that for a little bit, so I
think that's a little bit unique. I do like that
they get to stay out West. Kevin Young talked about
it on on Sunday Night that he likes getting to
stay out West. B YU fan by has more fans
in general in the Western United States in supposed to
back is the Cougarnation travels Kugarnation is everywhere. But I
think it's a simple fact that in the Western United
States versus say the North, Upper Northeastern, and South, there
are just more b YU fans just by demographics.
Speaker 4: So I think staying out West is in point.
Speaker 5: I also think quite frankly, and and.
Speaker 4: Maybe I'll get your guns out of the pain of US.
Speaker 5: I think by us no Sunday play policy actually helped
them with this draw and maybe get a better draw
then they would have otherwise. Of the six seeds, uh,
three of three of the four six seeds play in
regionals that that that played on a Thursday Saturday rotation,
Whereas if you look at just one seed mine down
at the seven seeds, three of those four seven seeds
played in Friday Sunday rotations.
Speaker 4: Obviously we know.
Speaker 5: Because of because by Us, the Bland chavinity of the
Church Latter day Saints, they do not play on Sundays,
so they can only be slided into those Thursday Saturday regionals.
And when the nna A Selection Committee released their overall
seeding Sunday night, they had by U as the twenty
fourth overall seed or the last sixth seed in the brack.
So you almost got to wonder if maybe BYU was
right on that line, maybe even right under it as
a seventh seed. But because of braggeting principles at BYU
specific braggating principles with relation to that note Sunday play,
maybe they were even bumped up the line and sent
into the West regional so that they so that they
could play in a Thursday Shaturday regional versus a Friday Sunday.
Speaker 4: So overall, I think the.
Speaker 5: Draw is challenging, but maybe not as challenging as it
could be. You talked about injuries and potentials and that
sort of thing. I do think there's a lot of
challenge to this regional, but I also think that in
a lot of ways, by You kind of benefited from
not playing on Sundays with being able to get this
spot at the Motor Center in Portland.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's a great spot.
Speaker 2: Like you said, I think Kevin Young and Kugarnation are
pleased with it at the Motu Center. The last time
BA you had a game in the Motor Center, they
knocked off a certain team that played at Orgon. Alex
Barcela like, yeah, very very good game. Could that be reminiscent?
We're gonna find out on Thursday, Sean, I don't you know.
I know, ask you predictions is not really your thing,
But how do you like the matchup of Texas in
C State?
Speaker 3: Texas got in C State earlier in the year.
Speaker 2: Do you think BYU will face former Big twelve FO
Texas or do they get Darion Williams, who was at
Texas Tech last year.
Speaker 4: It's really hard for me to pick against INC State.
I feel like in C State, Saho kind of a
bit of a run right now.
Speaker 5: And so my my initial gut reaction when I saw
kind of the seeding in the bracket was to go
with NC State, But then you look at Texas and
they're a little bit maybe a little bit more battle
tested coming out of the SEC. They got the most
bigs into the NCAA Tournament that conference, and I think
it was ten overall. Just to have the Big Twelve,
I mean, this is a really good league, really really
good league, and I'll bring or Mark likes to say
that that the Big Twelve is the same I can
best basketball league in America, behind only the NBA. I think
Greg Safety, I think Greg Safety would argue with Brett
over that statement. When I'm not saying who's right or
who's wrong. I have my personal opinions. You guys are
to have your personal opinions. But the SEC is very
good basketball, and in particular it's a very deep league,
and I do think this tensive State is incredibly battle
tested coming out of that conference that I think it
should pay some dividends going into the night's first four
game and maybe even into the first round as well,
where they could potentially meet a BYU team, which, by
the way, is also exceptionally battle tested, with five teams
in the top twenty five another eight or nine teams
that are currently in the field of sixty eight. I mean,
the BYU team has an ap All American First Team
selection an AJD Bonsa, and yet they finished five hundred
in big club play, Like that's how battle tested they are.
Speaker 4: That's how tough the league is.
Speaker 5: So I want to be shocked either way to see
nd State or Tensas coming out of that matchup. But
I think I'm coming around to the Longhorns making their
way over to Portland to face by.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know you have to you have to wonder Texas.
I've done a little scouter report. They foul a lot.
They do have length, b YU also has length. You know,
you wonder what will happen? And AGD bounce the name
to the Phillips sixty six All Tournament Team look first
Team All American Like AJ, this is no surprise of
what AJ is doing and what he's going to continue
to do. But can he carry you to the Sweet sixteen?
Can he carry you to the Elite eight? Sean Matt Norlander.
I'm pretty sure you saw the Sean Matt Norlander picked
BYU to beat Texas or whoever the eleventh seed is.
He said he didn't care upset Gonzaga and then to
go on to the sweet sixteen to against Purdue, and
Purdue might not get there. I got Missouri meeting Perdue
in the second round. Don't know what your bracket says.
And yes, people media members are allowed to participate in
March Madness unless they just want to be that stickler
about it. And then I look at you sideways, don't
be really As a college basketball fan, I would say that
it's anybody's face. But Sean could BYU end up in
the Elite eight. Look we saw yesterday March Madison. CBS
Sports put it out. BYU is gonna have the behind
the scenes. You're gonna see everything going on in the
locker room. It kind of seems like that those behind
the scenes want to see AJ make a deep run
because BYU like then have that last year they had
great stories, but this year seems like that's the case.
It seems like the projected top two pick that people
want to see AJ go far in the tournament.
Speaker 4: Well by people behind the scenes.
Speaker 5: I think there's one group of people behind the scenes
that would love to see a big run by b yu.
Speaker 4: In particularly by a J. G.
Speaker 5: Bonsa, who is a surefire major lottery pick this summer
should he come out, who's he's projected by many. There
are several anonymous scouting and taking gives I've spoken to
who have said they would select him with the number
one pick.
Speaker 4: Oh, okay draft if they had it.
Speaker 5: Like this is a guy who it's probably going to
be the number one overall pick in the NBA draft
this summer. Again, should he come out and has a good,
great draft, that'll be a topic for another day.
Speaker 4: And so because of that.
Speaker 5: I think television executives want to ce BYU make a
deep run in this NCAA tournament. How don't think it
matters to the selection committee? How do think it matters
to the actual bracketeers, to the NCAA big wigs that
are necessarily putting on this tournament. Except for the fact
that AJ Devonsa brings eyeballs, television executives CBS and Turner
in particular, love eyeballs, and then I want to see
teams that attract the largest audience.
Speaker 4: So yeah, I do think the TV people.
Speaker 5: Are maybe casually or silently rooting for BYU to make
a deep run so that they.
Speaker 4: Can get more screen time for a guy like a J.
Speaker 5: Again, to those that are in charge of competition, like
that's why, this is why the NCAA Tournament is the
greatest part in America.
Speaker 4: You never know what's going to happen.
Speaker 5: You can't truly prove as much as millions of Americans
try to every March when we fill out our bracket
at the beginning of the year. But I think from
a television perspective, it would be good TV for a
face like AJ to make a deep run in the
VCAA tournament.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll see if they're are going to make a
deep tournament run. I'll ask you that now, do you
have him going to the sweet sixteen? And let's be reasonable, right,
It's tough to get to an llitiate. It just is
the deeper you get in the tournament, the better teams
you play. Perdue is a very big, good basketball team.
Let's not ignore that. I think they won seventeen in
a row at some point, and Braden Smith as well,
one assist away from breaking Bobby Hurley's right like.
Speaker 3: He what he had.
Speaker 2: I can't remember how many assists he had in the
Big twelve title game, but he had zero turnovers, I
think too. That's that's tough. He's obviously going to be
on the scouting report. But anyway, let's go to the
main thing. Do you have BUYU beat number three seed
in Zaga and going to the Sweet sixteen and in
the back to back year the Kevin Young air, I'm.
Speaker 5: Just focused on that first round game against the winning
of Texas.
Speaker 4: I'm just kidding. One thing I will.
Speaker 5: Say about that second round Kevin Young and his team,
They're gonna be focused on that first game.
Speaker 2: I'd say right now, absolute yeah.
Speaker 4: That one numbercent should be the answer for a coach.
Speaker 5: We can look ahead a little bit and if looking
ahead to that second round, any potential matchup against Gonzaga, yes,
there are injury concerns and significant injury concerns, I think, uh,
but Mark Few is still Mark Fugh and for.
Speaker 4: My money, one of the best coaches in America. Obviously,
he's leaving the.
Speaker 5: WCC next year to join this new newly formed version
of the PAC twelve, the PAC Mountain as we like
to call it on this show.
Speaker 4: Uh in a lot of ways.
Speaker 5: But he's going into a significantly better league, definitely a
deeper league, I think than what he's seen out of
Saint Mary's and the rest of the WCC. Right now,
it's hard to pick against Mark Few as much as
I might want to, as much as I can absolutely
see it happen because of personnel. I think another thing
to keep an eye on with that be with a
potential b why you gone Zaga second round game is
we know what Cougar Nation means to be? Why you
we know how well this BYU fan based travels. I
expect plenty of BYU tickets to be snatched up during
this Portland regional site run. I think there's gonna be
a lot of blue in the stands. If it's not blue,
it's gonna be white. But hopefully y'all are wearing royal
because you know, we wrock with the Royal, not with
Navy blue here.
Speaker 4: On on ESPN the fan.
Speaker 5: But Pokam, Washington is just up the road, guys, Like
the drive time from Portland to Spokane is it's less
than a six hour drive.
Speaker 4: It's about four and a half five hours if you're
not going to speed limit, shall I say?
Speaker 5: I think there will be a lot of zag vents
that invade Portland as well that head to Spokan Southwest.
If you will, we see how well they traveled in
Vegas every year during.
Speaker 4: The WCC tournament.
Speaker 5: I think there's going to be a significant and a
marketable home court advantage for a Gonzaga team in both
the first round against kandasas State, and then if they
can make it to that second round against YU, the
atmosphere could be absolutely electric between those two fan bases.
And that I think as much as personnel and as
much as Mark fugh is, I think that's something that
could give Gonzaga a marketable advantage to try to overcome
a generational talent like ajd Bonsa. Now when it comes
out when it comes to personnel, boy, he's got the start.
They've got a guy like aj who really can't put
a team on his back and carry him through. And
if YU gets enough from its supporting cast. I'm talking
about Robert at the third five, I'm also talking about
guys who who I.
Speaker 4: Think had a little bit of a breakout tournament.
Speaker 5: Last week in Kansas City and in the Demon Boo
for the re representation and Dominique a Monde, Alexikostach, Kennard
Davis Junior, I thought kind of broke out of his
slump and shooting slump that he's been in, and BYU
can get that effectiveness in addition to a true star
talent that is ajd Bonza, then I think they're through
to the second weekend.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, yeah, I definitely think by you could Everything that
you mentioned gets to the second weekend. Sean March's magic,
as they say, and that's what everybody says, It's the
magic of March, right. We hear that all the time.
Who on this team is due to have a magic run?
Who on this roster does the world not know or
is overlooked underappreciated. Is it the likes of Canard Davis Junior,
who's getting featured in the BYU posters because the top
king is out? Is it Alexi Kostage, you know, the
guy who can light it up when he gets going.
Is it the ones that the Marriott Center call boob?
Remember they used to say foos?
Speaker 3: Is it him? Is it the one that hold.
Speaker 2: Kevin Young told us on the media availability Dominic Guiemnde
he thought the conversation was going to be different. Hey, coach,
I'm gonna be ready when you call my number. Is
it him who has their breakout moment?
Speaker 6: Sean, Yeah, I'm.
Speaker 4: Gonna go with Dominque Diamonde.
Speaker 3: I really liked what.
Speaker 5: I saw out of him the last three games. Also,
going back to that game against Texas Tech, I really
like the energy that he that he him, him and
Boom had this bomb squad energy coming off of the
bench in Kansas City that I think is really hard
to replicate.
Speaker 4: And it it's not.
Speaker 5: Necessarily by things that you can look at the box
score and say, oh that was huge.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 5: You know, I think name of Boop had like six
or seven rebounds per game, which were significant.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 5: Dominic Diamante had like six points per game, which you
know is nice, but it's not crazy.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 5: Dominic Diamonde also unofficially officially leads, uh leads this BYU
team and win mel in practice. And I think when
you have a guy who's not afraid to force a
couple of steals, get out in transition and play to
the pace that BYU wants to play to. I think
you have the potential of a real breakout start. I'm
not saying Dimanta is going to be a starter, that
he's going to play thirty something minutes during this run,
but I think he could be a key reserve to
really watch based off of the energy that he's been
able to bring off the bench in Kansas City. If
he can replicate that in this performance in this this week,
this first weekend in March, then I think that performance
as much as any could carry BYU into the second weekime.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you bring up a good point in Dominique Diamonde,
the energy that he plays with, right, you know he
told BA Sports Nation at the Big Teal Tournament. Energy
that's what I do, That's what I bring. I mean,
anytime a guy is getting steels in midcourt, taking it
away in his wind meal in and transition twice, you
know he's feeling it. Yet, I like Dominique, any of
those guys that I mentioned earlier. I'm excited to see
all of them playing what they do. But what is
what could coach Richie do? Right? Because as much as
we bring up dom Hoodim Alexi, even Canard, the NCAA
tournament is different. Not really worried about AJ Wright, AG
is gonna do AJ, But Rob Kaba, Mahi Low really
the only ones that and Dawson Baker, who also not playing,
really the only ones that have had experience playing in
these big time moments, these the big time tournament. There
could be a little bit of nerve Sewan going into
your first nca game.
Speaker 5: How dare you forget about Dyu's biggest returning Oh.
Speaker 2: Sorry, Jared McGregor, I apologize, put some respect, Ron, I apologize.
I apologize. J Mac, I will take you to dinner
when I see you next time. I apologize. And J
Mack of course I can't forget j Mac apologize. I
did I just I just apologized, Okay.
Speaker 4: But I do think that that.
Speaker 5: Group right there is maybe just as important as some
of these knew that AJ Devons has been spectacular. He
hasn't shrunk at any moment yet. Again, I think that's a
big reason why he probably should be the number one
think in the NBA draft this upcoming June. But when
you have guys that haven't been in the NCAA tournament,
this march is different, and the big Kevin Young is
really going to lean on guys who have been there before.
I think it's gonna start with kay Baketta. Quite honestly,
how does that starting line up. He's he's the only
starter with returning in Cuba experience at d YU, So
I think that's I think that's a big piece of
the puzzle that Kevin the k why is going to
lean on when it when it comes to his veterans.
But I also think just having guys there that have
been been through the routine, that have kind of been
through the grind, that have seen it. That's why I
mentioned Jan Back, Jared McGregor who was there. Yes, I
know he didn't really play in the NCAA tournament, but
he was there.
Speaker 4: He kind of knows how it does. Dawson Baker same way.
Speaker 5: He's not gonna be able to play due to injury,
but he knows how that goes. I think getting Richie
Saunders back at being with the team has given this
this squad a little bit of a boost since they
went through that that dol drum losing what was it
three or four or four or five right after right
after Richie's ac out there. Just having him with the
group being available on the bench. Kevin Young said, coach
Richie has been activated, he's been engaged, he's been just
you know, he's one of the first ones off of
the bench.
Speaker 4: Is funny. Darren J.
Speaker 5: Mack actually told me in Kansas City that Richie will
often he'll hop up off the bench, grab his crutches
and during a media time out when the when the
whole group comes and sits over and the coaches sort
of spend the first thirty or thirty five seconds sort
of off to the side by themselves, figuring out strategy,
drawing up plays, just talking one amongst themselves. Richie will
be in that huddle just pulling guys aside, giving him pointers,
little feedback. And this is what I see try to
do a little bit more of its kind of doing
his own coach Richie and Pritcheon for that first half
of the media time off before then Kevin comes in
and sits down and and uh and kind of does
his thing. So I'm not saying coach Richie isn't respectful
of his own coaches, but you really do see an
assistant coach energy out there that maybe b Yu didn't have.
Immediately following that, Richie Saunders acl injury. Uh and and
I just I think that he's embracing this new role
that could be just and vital to make a Mark
Tron complete.
Speaker 2: Hey, you bring up a good point to Todd King.
You need him, even if it's not drawn up. Plays
the vocal leader.
Speaker 3: As A J.
Speaker 2: Debonsa said, AJ de Bonca to the tous and the
media availability, you need to have him there coaching up,
getting all manner of confidence and understanding the game. And
he is going to be on their triples in Kansas
City taking Richie. Glad that Richie's able to go for
his last March Madness even though he won't be playing
a house special.
Speaker 3: Would that be Sean.
Speaker 2: We got to get you out of here, but before
I do, I got to give you an opportunity to
talk about the lady cooks Lee Kamard. I know they're
upset they didn't. You know, gets an NCAA tournament. That's
always the goal for every team, right but the one
seed in the w b I t that's nothing to
shy away from. In you know, his first year being
a head coach, he beat Utah three times. I think
he single handedly knocked him out of the NCAA Tournament
from getting the bid as well?
Speaker 3: What about the Lady Cooks. What do they got going
on this week?
Speaker 5: Yeah, not only a one seed, but the number one
overall scene in the WB.
Speaker 4: I t who wants to b YU.
Speaker 5: This is a team that was They're the first team
out of the NCAA Tournament field. I know there are
a lot of feelings around that whether or not BYU
should have been in the Big Dance. Over say, I
don't know, just picking a team at random like in
Arizona State. Maybe I'm just randomly picking a team. I
don't know if there's another one, Uh, they could be
out there. But I think this is in a lot
of ways the best case scenario for BYU not being
in the Big Dance, because this is a group that
has that is still very young. Four of their top
six scorers are freshmen or sophomores. Five of their top
six could return for next season. They have eligibility remaining
to potentially return to YU for next season if they
want to, and I think being able to not just
play more games, but put in a bit of a
run to prove that they can play at this level
at this time. Remember these freshmen and sophomores. They've never
played in any sort of a postseason outside of the
Big twelve Tournament. Last year's season ended after the Big
CILD tournament they made the coaching change. There was no
wb I t in, but there was no wn I TV.
This is the first time Delaney Gibbs going to be
playing in a March specific tournament.
Speaker 4: I think she could have.
Speaker 5: She's had a breakout really her first two seasons of
her college career, but I think this could maybe further
some men Hirst Dart status role. Same thing for lif Hamlin.
She has not played like the freshman in a lot
of ways, and I think just being able to get
some refs under your belt in a tournament of this
magnitude where yeas not the NCAA tournament, but it really
is the second best thirty two team field thirty two
team bracket.
Speaker 4: If this team can.
Speaker 5: Go and win a championship, then I think that make
a legitimate argument for hey, why not us?
Speaker 4: Why weren't we there?
Speaker 5: Maybe we should have been in that sixty eighteen field
in the first place, and that can carry over into
next season with a lot of potential staying power and
a lot of potential holdover and going into league Camart's second.
Speaker 4: Year, so pen I'm on job.
Speaker 5: I think by this BYU women's basketball team their WBIT opener.
By the way, it's Thursday night, seven pm. If you're
still in pro vote, I know y'all got iPhones, iPads, internet, whatever,
scream the men's game to your phone. Go watch his
BYU women's beat basketball team show out support they've got.
They could have up to I mean up to three
home games in this WBID before the semi finals. So
I really do think this can be a good thing
for this BYU team to try to springboard them into
twenty seven.
Speaker 2: It bring up a good point and could you nemomentum
always to end the season and to go into the
beginning of the season as well? What would that look
like for Lee Kamart's squad. I can tell you this,
They're not gonna go down without a fight. And if
you make it to the semifinals in the finals, you'll
be in Wichita, Kansas and the Charles Coach Arena.
Speaker 3: That will be March thirty at the April first. Let's
see if they get there.
Speaker 2: How glorious would there be a BYU is in an
Elite eight and if the BYU women's basketball teams in
a semi final, we'll see what they do.
Speaker 3: Sean. What's the best way we can support you what
you do and how you do it.
Speaker 5: Kazel dot com as always will get everything going from there,
KASL dot kamsas sports if you want to just both
march straight up everything we got going from the DONAA
original side in Portland with BYU. Will also have folks
down in San Diego keeping an eye on Utah State.
They got to eight nine games this Friday, so you
can give an eye on all of that over there
as well as w b I T covers both by
U and Utah with number one seeds as well and Ron.
Eventually we're gonna have to start talking baseball, I think,
but the kind of weather that we've been having, yeah,
coverage over there as well as baseball.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're not wrong. Don't know how many of the
viewers want to hear from baseball. But maybe once we
get to once basketball season, when we get into more
of the offseason, we could definitely do that. But you're
not wrong. It is a beautiful day. You left Sean earlier.
Speaker 5: This morning almost bed almost being Otino.
Speaker 2: Hey, World Baseball Classic. The United States is gonna take
it tonight. They're gonna take it home. What is they're
gonna get revenge? It's not on Japan, but they're gonna
take it in Venezuela. Will not get the victory tonight.
But you're right, it is beautiful weather. You left to
a beautiful scunny sky, sunny excuse me, sunny sky here
in the Wahtats front the great state of Salt Lake City,
and then you landed over there in Portland to raininess.
Please be safe, Sean safe, travels back and please enjoy
the tournament this weekend and we'll see at BYU ends
up to the second weekend in a row and back
to back seasons in the sweet sixteen.
Speaker 4: Appreciate it guys, as always that.
Speaker 2: With Sean Walker of KSL dot com. Appreciate him joining
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Speaker 7: You were listening to one oh three, nine and ninety
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to some college basketball on Cougar Sports with Ben Crittles.
Speaker 2: Welcome back to Cougar Sports here on one O three
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Speaker 3: We've had a great show this far.
Speaker 2: We're gonna close it out because you gotta get down
a spring ball spring practice. But it doesn't matter because
I'm still gonna talk. BYU Basketball is March Madness season.
BYU is going to the tournament once again they got
an opportunity to make a good run with that player
named ajd Bonsa they got on the line, said that
he was very unselfish and you're seeing that.
Speaker 3: I think a lots of times people.
Speaker 2: Think these players, they got these egos, these personalities. But
you know, I trust those who are former coaches, current coaches,
all of those connected with the program. And before welcome
to BYU grat in, I just wanted to remind people
that he said this way back earlier, before the season
even started.
Speaker 3: And you see how aj is distributing.
Speaker 2: You see the poor forwardability, that he's willing to give
up a good shot for a better shot and let
his teammates thrive. And I mean the connection between him
a Dominie Diamanda, you're seeing that. So all of that,
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last guest of the program. We got former BYU men's
basketball head coach Steve Cleveland on the line. Coach, thanks
for joining me today.
Speaker 6: Great, good to be with you.
Speaker 8: Exciting time to to be involved with college sports and
with the n C two A tournament and all the
things going on.
Speaker 6: So yeah, great, great to be here.
Speaker 2: What's your favorite time about March when you were a
coach and now is uh you know someone that you
just observe the game as a fan.
Speaker 3: What do you like the most about the tournament?
Speaker 8: You know, I think that when you've played in an
entire season and uh, you've gone to your conference play,
you've gone to conference tournaments, and then you've qualified to
play in the n C two ways, Uh, there's just
an energy, there's an excitement from players, coaches.
Speaker 6: Fans, everyone.
Speaker 8: I mean, I think sometimes people think this is just
a fan deal, but I can't tell you the experiences
that we had and we continue to watch and what
we're about to watch here with with with v I
U and the n C two A tournament. Uh, it's
just a special time of the year, and I think
I think there's a there's a certain intensity that comes
with the season and getting into a position and getting
to a place where you can get a seed and
give me get.
Speaker 6: The best seed that you can.
Speaker 8: The thing that I love about this team, and you
mentioned a couple of things, is that there's just really
a selfless team. That this team is cohesive there together
And obviously kudos to the coaching staff and everybody involved
and helping develop and build that chemistry.
Speaker 6: But I've watched most of the games.
Speaker 8: And had opportunities to kind of get an inside look
to what's happening.
Speaker 6: And.
Speaker 8: I'm really excited about BYU and where they're going. And
obviously we know they're going to be playing the winner
of Texas and North Carolina State, and we'll talk a
little bit about that, but I think that two formidable
folks and you know, names that have had a lot
of success, but not.
Speaker 6: Great years this year.
Speaker 8: But I think when you start looking at Texas and
you know, the first thing that jumps out at me
when I look at these games is that Sean Miller
is the coach of assist in his first season. Sean
Miller coached at Arizona and he coached at Xavier. He
just had his five hundredth twin his first season in
the SEC. Sean is a great coach and he's been
in the collegiate business for a long long time. When
you can win five hundred, you know, five hundred games,
and we'll maybe talk a little bit about their players.
But then I went out to North Carolina State and
a lot of people may not know coach Will Wade.
I happened to know Will through another a couple of
my coaching friends. He was at McNee State LSU VCU
and has had just great success. And I think that
you got two great coaches that are going to just
fight it out to you know, to give it with
a chance to go to BYU. But I don't think
you can sleep on either one of these teams. Whoever wins,
they're going to be really prepared and of course the
next you know, if you win that ballgame, you know
you were on to Cazaga and kind of what happens there.
So those are kind of some of my initial thoughts.
But just knowing the coaches and knowing the success that
they've had, these will whether it's Texas or North Carolina State,
these two teams will be prepared.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they definitely will. How tough is it to have
two scouts?
Speaker 3: Not ideal?
Speaker 2: Obviously want to know who you're playing, But you just
mentioned they could play either one of these teams. They've
both have lost five of their last six. Do you
have to mention that which you brought up to struggling?
But it doesn't matter. This is March.
Speaker 3: Anybody can be anybody on any given night.
Speaker 8: Absolutely, Absolutely, it's kind of a new life. And you know,
sometimes it's injuries, sometimes it's just a long season, and
but you know, I think where we're at right now
is that everybody gets kind of a renewal, you know,
get renewed about where we're going to go and what.
Speaker 6: The next step is going to be.
Speaker 8: And I don't think anybody, I don't think by you
run now is thinking about Gonzaga. They need to be
thinking about Texas and North Carolina State, because you know,
these are two schools, very successful schools who didn't have
great years considering who they are and what they are.
Speaker 6: Not that they don't have a good teams, they do,
but they both, like you said, lost five out of
the last six.
Speaker 8: That's you know, that's kind of not how you want
to finish the season out. But there's enough on their
resumes and the leagues that they play in that anytime
you tell me that Sean Miller and Will Wade are
going to be you're gonna have to coach against those
guys that these are very very experienced, successful coaches who
have good teams. They just didn't haven't had kind of
the teams that they've had in the past. Hence that's
why they're in the eleven seed playing game. But I
expect and I don't think anybody can sleep on either
one of these teams or coaches. I think it's going
to be a heck of a game.
Speaker 6: I do.
Speaker 8: I do feel like BYU is playing better than they've
ever played defensively, which I think is a big part
of proceeding and going forth in the tournament.
Speaker 6: So I think defensively they're rarely there.
Speaker 8: They you know, they they've got the best player in
the country playing a J Jabatsa who just continues to
improve and get better. It's so selfless, great teammate, and
they have this team really has great chemistry. And we
often talk about Richie and out being there, but I
think A J and Rob Wright have stepped in there
and helped out with that chemistry and the things that
Richie Saunders used to always bring.
Speaker 6: To the table.
Speaker 8: But I'm like, I'm liking this this matchup for by U.
But again, you can't sleep on two Hall of Fame
kite coaches who are going to be prepared.
Speaker 4: Well.
Speaker 2: We currently, I think in my opinion, you know, we
we have a great Hall of Fame coach in the
line of self one hundred and thirty eight wins Doug
Deny that he's been to the Big Dance four times.
Speaker 3: It's hard to get to the Big Dance.
Speaker 2: So when you look at that, you got to give
your yourself a lot of credit to coach.
Speaker 3: You know, you did a lot of good things in
your career.
Speaker 2: Look, I always tell people my mom, you know, I
came from military parents, and you know, a little bit.
Speaker 3: Of a tougher communion in Chicago. She says, remember your roots.
Speaker 2: I remember the people that got and sacrificed and paved
the way for you to be here.
Speaker 3: I was like, you're right, yes, ma'am. And b what
you basketball is.
Speaker 2: In this position because of everything that you accomplished, Coach Rose,
who was under you, you know, even Coach Mark Pope,
like b YU gets a player like Agent de Bonsa
because of of you, flag staffing, you know, and and
starting this whole thing. You know.
Speaker 3: I just I never want to overlook those times.
Speaker 6: Well you know what I think anytime you can be involved.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 8: And obviously we're talking about but when I was coaching
at Preslo State with Paul George, it was a very
similar situation with An A.
Speaker 6: J And Paul George, very similar type players. And it
just came into my mind that he was a young
man that uh, you know, I.
Speaker 8: Loved him coaching for four years and maybe my life
will lease you, but at the end of the day, Uh,
he's another young man that I that I love and
I appreciate and and and it's what AJ and Rob
and all the all the great players that have come
to v YU and uh, it's just between players and coaches,
the success of the those that have gone before us
and those that are playing now.
Speaker 6: Uh, there's a pride, herod proud.
Speaker 8: Heritage here with YU basketball, and I love where they
are today. And I wish Dawson Baker had been healthy,
you know, I wish d Richie Saunders would have been healthy.
But you know, kudos to the guys that stepped up
and have you know, kind of found a way, whether
it's a demande or my boot or Boskovitch caustic, you know,
whatever the circumstances were. The guys who were on the
sidelines and not playing a lot are now being asked
to really make a contribution and be where they need
to be.
Speaker 3: We'll get to Dawson Baker in the second.
Speaker 2: I'm going to ask you a question about Dawson Baker
in just a second. But you bring up Boop, you
bring up Diamande, two guys that have now entered the
rotation and you get to know them. Innis story amazing.
What do you like about both of those those skill sets?
They both add something different to the table, but they
got so much lenked in athleticism.
Speaker 8: Oh that was gonna be the first thing out of
my mouth. It's just the length and the athleticism and
the desire and the intensity with stay played.
Speaker 6: They don't take possessions off, you know.
Speaker 8: I mean, you're they're around the rim, They're diving on
the floor for loose balls, they're contesting shots, they're finishing
around the rim, they're making free throws, things that they
you know, literally, you know, you go back for three
or four months, I'm not sure that.
Speaker 6: Any of those guys are playing.
Speaker 8: You know, when you consider who's hurt and who's out
and what's going on, you know, they could just be
role players and have their chance next year. Now they're
being called upon to take big time minutes and play
where you know, the theater is amazing here with the
n C two A tournament.
Speaker 6: I mean, so you've got to give great deal.
Speaker 8: And I really applaud the coaching staff that entire coaching
staff are working with these guys and spending time, you know,
working out and in the practice facility and getting better,
uh knowing that maybe they weren't ever going to play.
And now all of a sudden we see that uh Costic, Boskovich,
Mabu Diamande a mad.
Speaker 6: Now they are part of this rotation and it's not anything.
I don't think anybody.
Speaker 8: Expected that, but they've prepared themselves for that, and a
lot of that has goes to assistant coaches. I think
a lot of times assistant coaches don't get the you know,
the credit, maybe do credit publicly, not not the saying
that the head coaches don't do.
Speaker 6: They do that.
Speaker 8: But I think for the public, a lot of the
public don't know some of these assistant coaches but the
fact is they're kind of the foundation to this thing
as well in terms of preparing and getting making players better.
Speaker 2: Definitely does any does Diamande? Does you know Hadem remind
you of a you know, a certain player on your
roster during that time that was just great?
Speaker 3: I mean I can't bring up traut his hands.
Speaker 2: Because we know he was just he was just a
bucket like you know, but any sounds like I get
a chance to highlight th h I will, But no,
anybody when you were coaching that remind you of of
their skill set and just brought that defensive intissity and energy.
Speaker 6: You know, I think that.
Speaker 8: Yeah, So when I when I think back to b
y U and I and I think about the intensity
and when we first got there, you know, it was
it was a total rebuild. And uh, but I do
think of a young man by the name of Tarrell
to Day and uh who just got stuff done.
Speaker 6: And it was just an intense competitor.
Speaker 8: And I'm and m Kelly Wesley was the same way
that mi Kelly doesn't have the skills, the athleticism, but
I would take to two guys. I'd pick those two
guys first any year I was coaching. I mean, they
they knew how to win. And when there weren't the
resources back then that they are there are today, there
just wasn't a lot of things that didn't exist. And
and yes, kudos to the coaches that you know, we
got them there and it happened. But honestly, if it's
this whole foundation of this program around now is centered
around Mikelly Wesley and his start there and then everybody
else that we just talked about, you know, I mean
mcklly was a foundation of something that was going to
be better. And it was hard, you know, coming in
there with one win and then the next year seven
or eight, the next year twelve.
Speaker 6: I mean that it is exhausting going through that gauntlet.
Speaker 8: But it certainly was a couple of those young men
that really made a difference and laying a foundation for
what we're seeing today.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Mkelly Wesson, the AP All American Honorable Mentioned in
two thousand and twenty one.
Speaker 3: The Provo product. Gotta love Provo High School.
Speaker 2: I mean, the great Chris Collinsworth just captured the state
title as a coach and as a player. So you
got to always highlight the local product. The local product
is nice. And I know Dean and Will are going
to be joining well, I think he's going on a mission.
I think that's coming right away. What do you like
about what they're adding to b YU from the recruiting front,
I always love the local product. The ajs are nice,
but the local you can't over You can't overlook what
you got in your back door.
Speaker 8: No, And I you know, I had a grandson that
played at tim U, so I saw every game, and uh,
the most gut wrenching I've ever experienced as a coach
or a player, because I mean I loved this Timview
team and Dean obviously was a big part of that
and and just played at a very high level. And
he'll be at b YU next year and the big fella,
I think is going on a mission and he'll come back.
But when when I when I look at those teams, uh,
and they are local young men and local coaches. It
was just one of the best experiences of my life
to watch his team. It was heartbreaking to see them
lose in a playoff game when I think everybody felt
like they were probably the best team on paper.
Speaker 6: But that that stuff happens. But I do, I do
love that group.
Speaker 8: It was just such good chemistry, good coaching, and it
took us. I know it took my family and my
grandson and his family. It took us about a week
or two to just get our breath and go, my gosh,
what just happened. But that's part of sport, and sometimes
it doesn't go like you'd like it to go. But
I think Dean is a young man and who I
remember sitting with coach watching a game, and you know,
he talked to me a little bit about said he
wasn't sure that he was going to be willing to
defend and guard that like he needed to because I
know he's coming in immediately and and I know I
saw Coach he said, you know a few weeks later
and he said, you know, I'm he's guarding and he's defending,
and I feel.
Speaker 6: Really good about where he's at.
Speaker 8: And he'll get stronger in the light room, will get
make him better and all those kinds of things.
Speaker 6: But he's a very talented player and he's got deep range.
He'll you know, again, there's a it's a big jump.
Speaker 8: From Tempu High School to jumping into a division in
one situation where the competition and the coaching everything's a
little bit different. But Dean has natural abilities. He's really
really athletic and Bouncy got a great stroke and it
seems to love the game, and so he's gonna be there.
The big fellaw will come back, and I think, to
be honest with you, in two years. You know a
lot of these young men go through these mission, go
to missions and come back and it takes a little
bit to get back into it. But I think both
of these players from Timpu High will go play out
and be very successful.
Speaker 2: If you like you, I'm excited to watch him come.
You know, Dean come in next year and contribute right away.
I think you will think he'll be in the rotation
and excited for Will after he's don't his church service
mission to come back, come back and play as well.
I said, I was gonna ask about it here it
is Dawson Baker. They said on bau TV earlier in
the season that if Dawson Baker wants to come back
for another year, he can, that is eligible for him
to do.
Speaker 3: How crucial do you feel that is?
Speaker 2: Look, Richie's leaving, right you know, we don't know what's
going to happen the offseason if people are going to stay.
But I feel a guy like Dawson, who they liked
and was playing so well and I hate the injury bug.
You feel like you need that guy Steven a way
to be honestly a little bit of the heartbeat like
Richie is for next season.
Speaker 6: Oh that was a huge loss, you know. And he's
so crafty.
Speaker 8: He's just he gets into scenes, he makes the extra pass,
he does things that really there's no one like Dawson
Baker on this roster right now. You know, he just
has the creativity and when he got hurt, and you know,
he's kind of a Irvine guy. I always have kind
of a connection because I played down there and he
lived down there and played down there, and so I
watched Dawson and I thought, oh my gosh, this young
man has something that doesn't exist on the team.
Speaker 6: You.
Speaker 8: I mean, he's one of those guys that can just
slither through things and get to the rim and knock
down deep threes and you know, and not necessarily the
most athletic person.
Speaker 6: In the world, but a really really high IQ. And
if they can get him back next year, I will
be shocked if they don't take him. I mean, honestly,
if he the same thing with Richie.
Speaker 8: Richie, both of those players have been, you know, healthy
and able to play, they would have been playing. But
I think to be able to get Dawson Baker back, Wow,
that's that's an immediate yes for me. Six four, you know,
fifth year senior. And if he's healthy and ready, I mean,
he just what he does, he makes you have to
respect him and it opens the floor for everybody. When
you've got a guy out there at twenty two twenty
three feet knocking down threes and then really crafty in
and around the rim when guys close out to him,
that would be a great recruit.
Speaker 6: Even though it's just a one year get. I got
to believe that he's going to make b why you
better if in fact he's healthy and can do it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, if he's healthy, could do it, no doubt about it.
Speaker 2: Anytime a guy is give you seven points a game
off the bench, shoots forty six percent from the field,
almost thirty forty percent from the three, And you think
about guys shooting at a high clip like me lan
my Chiliwrich at Iowa State and he's not that. But
when you're shooting forty percent from three and that's good
and eighty percent from the charity stripe, A coach is
never going to tell you no, You're always going to
get a yes.
Speaker 3: In my in my opinion.
Speaker 2: Here with former BYU head coach Steve Cleveland on the line, coach,
a couple last things and then we'll let you go.
We appreciate your time today, Texas n C State. How
do you see that one plan out? I think the
six to eleven match will be tough regardless of who
they face. I am picking BYU to get through the
first game. But what do you have in store tonight?
Who do you think their opponent will be on Thursday?
Speaker 8: You know, I kind of feel like Sean Miller in Texas.
I mean they were ninety nine eighteen and fourteen. That's
not a great year for them. Mean, he's only been there.
I mean, here's a guy that won five hundred games,
but you know, he's just recently has gotten there.
Speaker 6: And it is kind of a tough pick.
Speaker 8: But I lack Texas and I like Sean Miller, and
I like that that they've they've got some size. You know,
they swayed six eight junior average in eighteen. Vcrades is
the seventh foot sophomore average in sixty. They've got four
guys average eighteen, sixteen, fourteen and fourteen. You know, the
one thing in SC State does have is they've got seven.
Speaker 6: Seniors and three juniors. And coach Will Wade. Coach Will
Wade is I've Washington. I've gotten that. I got to
know him through another friend. And they they've got they've
got sized too.
Speaker 8: And you're looking at Copeland at sixty six fourteen seven assists,
McNeil sixty five fourteen and four, Van Lubin sixty nine
fourteen and seven Darren, So you've got consistent scoring here.
Speaker 6: And but you know you say that, you mentioned it,
and I'll mention it again. They have lost five out
of the last six.
Speaker 8: Now the one thing that the Braydon Huff who did
get hurt, really hurts them. But I I see them playing,
I see them winning miss and playing the Zags and
uh and then that would be a great match up
in Portland. A very tough team to play. But uh,
it's fun to see by you playing them and where
it goes.
Speaker 6: I tell you, it's kind of some local things here.
You're Kansas playing in Utah Valley, you know.
Speaker 8: Uh And in my alma mater, you see I playing
at Nebraska number three Nebraska and Utah State.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 8: I like Utah State there, you know, eight nine matchup there.
It just seems like every year in Utah State's really good.
So with you, I'll share one thing with you. I
was I was just reading some things this morning, and
they're talking about the East region of the n C
two as. Here are these John Shire, Duke, Rick Patino,
Saint John's Bill self, Kansas, Tom I is Old Michigan State,
Nick Cron and U C l A Dan Herdiy Yukon.
Speaker 6: There all in one reach.
Speaker 8: That is then one of those teams, any one of
those teams can win a national championship.
Speaker 2: Oh man, you mentioned all those great and look that's
why I'm glad b YU can't play one. See, see
what happens when you're blessed when you play pay eleven
percent tithing and you and your honor the Sabbath day,
you see what happens. Look, I know I'm being tongue
in cheap, but no, that's the blessing of not having
to play, you know. And uh, you know the Friday
Sunday because they vy could only have gone to the
West of the South and they didn't have to do
those regions.
Speaker 8: I'll ask you, did you remember when b YU when
they put us in a bracket that we had to Playday.
Speaker 3: Said, I do remember that.
Speaker 6: I do remember that. That was crazy and that was crazy.
Speaker 3: Hey, and I think they've learned their lesson ever since.
They never get they have.
Speaker 8: Shild because b YU is really good and it has
been really good for a long time, so they have
can't make those kind of mistakes.
Speaker 3: No, you can't.
Speaker 2: Coach will get you out of here on this. Do
you do you have this team getting to the sweet
sixteen seconds? Zaga old w CCFO that would be grateful
for BYU fans to beat them on what is going
to be a home game for them. It's an hour
away from the Motor Center. But to advance to the
second win, do you see that happening?
Speaker 8: That's all I'm thinking about, man, I, you know what,
we can overanalyze this thing, but I love BYU playing
the Zags, having an opportunity to move forward.
Speaker 6: And they've they've had some health issues as well and
some injuries, but.
Speaker 4: We know what.
Speaker 8: Gonzaga is and the traditions they've had for years and
just great coaching and great players. But I think this
is a different BYU team than it was ten years, ten,
ten ten games ago. I think it's a team that
comes prepared, is ready, and defends from the get go
and plays with the passion and like you you know,
we both mentioned you're you're not talking about getting your
contributions from Caustic Boskovich Mabu Diamon damned that both players
really didn't have much of a role in this in
you know, the first half of the season, they just
didn't they weren't ready, and then with injuries, guys got
you know, all of a sudden, Baker's gone and you're
you're you're.
Speaker 6: Looking at this thing and saying, honey, who were gonna replace?
She can't replace Richie Saunders. Nope.
Speaker 8: But I think what's happened now over time is these
team's gotten better.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and so I can't wait to watch.
Speaker 8: You know, they got to take care of business first, yep,
But I like, b why you're beating Gonzaga.
Speaker 2: I really do, got to take care of business Thursday, Texas.
That's why I have them planned as well. Doesn't matter.
Two great coaches, two great programs, length size, athleticism, one
game at a time.
Speaker 3: But you get Thursday, then you move on to Saturday.
Speaker 2: Maybe that And for Kevin Young to go back to
back years and the Sweet sixteen as a second year
head coach, I don't know what else you can ask one.
Speaker 8: Look, it's mart I'll just say this kuduz to Kevin
Young and his staff, and you know, obviously they're outstanding coaches,
but man, they're even better people and they're good for
student athletes, and she's I just love everything that they've
done the two years they've been here, and it's just
everybody together.
Speaker 6: In United and I just love the way.
Speaker 8: He approaches his players and his coaches and how everything's
dealt with.
Speaker 6: It's just I'm proud, you know, to be a.
Speaker 8: Big fan of Kevin and his staff and BYU and
so can't wait to see the games get started and
we'll see hopefully it's a good couple of weeks when
we find ourselves in another Sweet sixteen.
Speaker 3: A coach, appreciate your time today.
Speaker 2: Hopefully you can make it out to Portland, if not
San Jose, California. If they make it Santaose, I mean Santose,
I'm there, Okay, Okay, well there you go.
Speaker 6: There we go.
Speaker 3: Okay, coach, we appreciate you. You have a good day.
We'll catch up with you soon.
Speaker 6: Thanks a lot, Bye bye.
Speaker 2: That was coach Steve Cleveland, a former Billia men's basketball
head coach. A lot of great tidbits. I hope you
guys enjoyed that interview as much as I did. I
wish Steve and I have more time. We could probably
go for another ten to fifteen minutes. Always appreciate him
joining the program. Guys, that's our show. We got to
get the spring practice. We got to end the show,
but appreciate everybody to join us. Jared Bletsoe of Utah
Protective Films, Sean Walker of kisl dot com and the
Cougar Beet by Central Garage, Utah. That was Steve Cleveland
in a basketball PAU basketball second with Odion Men's Where
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