Speaker 1: And Willashire host, and we have Ross Waxman coming up.
Speaker 2: I met him in line. He was in line.
Speaker 1: With me at the Washington d C hearing on the thirteenth.
Speaker 1: We're gonna be talking about what he's up to in
Speaker 1: the UFO world and all that. Very interesting guy. And
Speaker 1: I do have some rather sad news to make today.
Speaker 1: And that is a good friend of mine, and of
Speaker 1: this he's been on the show many times.
Speaker 2: But Christopher.
Speaker 1: O'Brien got in a car accident basically trying to get
Speaker 1: to the hospital and did not make it and unfortunately
Speaker 1: passed away two nights ago. So I'm really sorry to
Speaker 1: have to report this. It's a it's a real shame.
Speaker 1: He was He was interesting and fun guy. He and
Speaker 1: I hang on just a second. I'm having a little
Speaker 1: trouble with the computer now.
Speaker 2: I am back in New Hampshire.
Speaker 1: This is this is the blog. I'll just take a
Speaker 1: little jag here. This is the blog this week from
Speaker 1: Charles Lear. He is going to create a blog next
Speaker 1: week and dedicated to Chris O'Brien a story about him.
Speaker 1: So blog this week mat a material mystery or misinformation.
Speaker 1: Very interesting blog from Charles this week and uh so anyway, Uh, yeah, Chris, Chris.
Speaker 1: Unfortunately he is gone, and last time I saw him
Speaker 1: was out in Sedona, where he was actually where the
Speaker 1: incident happened, and so a long time researcher. He did
Speaker 1: a wonderful job with especially with the cattle mutilations. That's
Speaker 1: what he was really known a lot for. This is
Speaker 1: the last time that I had, no this is the
Speaker 1: last time we did a show in person. He came
Speaker 1: and stayed with me for a week at my guest
Speaker 1: house in Maine.
Speaker 3: Anyway, I do there's a couple of the interesting chat rooms.
Speaker 3: There's a Facebook, a closed Facebook page, an almost animal
Speaker 3: and you know, of course we do have a loose
Speaker 3: network of if you can call it that, of of investigators.
Speaker 3: There's not many.
Speaker 1: Anyway, Uh that was That was Chris, And I'm not
Speaker 1: sure if this is working right.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry. I'm having a little bit of technical trouble.
Speaker 1: I do have a really great commutant computer down in
Speaker 1: South Carolina, but I'm up in New Hampshire and I
Speaker 1: could not bring that on the airplane. It's a it's
Speaker 1: a big basically gaming computer, so I couldn't bring that
Speaker 1: on the plane. But anyway, we'll suffice here for about
Speaker 1: a month and then I'm heading back down there. But
Speaker 1: I want to bring in our guests. Ross, welcome to
Speaker 1: the show.
Speaker 3: Hey, Martin, great to be here. Yea, I'm sorry about
Speaker 3: your friend. I was reading about his passing as well,
Speaker 3: and yeah, it seems like he had a lot that
Speaker 3: he contributed to the field, So I thank you for
Speaker 3: sharing all that.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, yep, Chris, Chris did give a lot to
Speaker 1: all of us and left a lot for the future.
Speaker 2: Research.
Speaker 1: But anyway, you look like you're somewhere sunny or warm
Speaker 1: on the West coast. I'm assuming, and yeah, I'm on
Speaker 1: the West coast now. It was Yeah, what great fun
Speaker 1: it was, wasn't it.
Speaker 3: Yeah? What a day? Yeah? Yeah, that was something else,
Speaker 3: you know. And you were a good uh person to
Speaker 3: hang out with pretty much all night and day uh
Speaker 3: in line and it was an adventure, it wasn't it.
Speaker 2: It was?
Speaker 1: It was ye And yeah, we we tried to stop
Speaker 1: those people from cutting and all that.
Speaker 2: If you remember all that stuff.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not gonna name any names, but you can
Speaker 3: if you want. But yeah, I know it's as maybe
Speaker 3: you've told your your wonderful audience here before that you
Speaker 3: were very close at the previous hearing with another than
Speaker 3: you know, grushing his testimony. But you were just one
Speaker 3: person off for making it into the main room. And
Speaker 3: you had a you had a beautiful mission. I mean
Speaker 3: you you've, I guess, you have the longest running podcasts
Speaker 3: on this subject, and you've been dedicated to this, you know,
Speaker 3: for so many decades. And and I was so I mean,
Speaker 3: I was so you know, I was the first person
Speaker 3: in line because I wanted to get in just as badly,
Speaker 3: and so I felt for you. And and the injustice
Speaker 3: of it was did not go unnoticed by every single
Speaker 3: offense to this person, but every single person that matters. Right.
Speaker 3: So it's funny because my dear friend Steve Bassett, I
Speaker 3: was hoping to maybe save him as bottom line, because
Speaker 3: he's he's a slightly older gentleman who's also been at
Speaker 3: it his whole life, right, you know, the first lobbyist
Speaker 3: for disclosure, a collaborator and friend of mine. So I
Speaker 3: was like, oh, man, I don't want him to him
Speaker 3: to have to stand outside in the cold all night.
Speaker 3: I mean, he's like, you know, let's not talk about
Speaker 3: his age, but he's old enough that he shouldn't have
Speaker 3: to do it. But when I told him I was
Speaker 3: trying to save him, spies like no, no, no, you
Speaker 3: don't understand how this works. And someone he said that
Speaker 3: someone tried to like help him up in a previous hearing,
Speaker 3: and it and it and and it's just a major
Speaker 3: faux pas, as you realize, and you weren't gonna let
Speaker 3: it happen. I was trying not to let it happen,
Speaker 3: but it almost happened into a total meltdown at the end.
Speaker 3: Was we were walking in Not not any of our faults,
Speaker 3: of course, but it was. Yeah, the interesting uh cast
Speaker 3: of characters showing up. You know. I was talking to
Speaker 3: various you know people who would work you know, worked
Speaker 3: at the Rayburn you know house Congress building, and every
Speaker 3: single one of them said, we've never seen anything even
Speaker 3: like slightly like this, And people waiting all night, people
Speaker 3: like it was like a red carpet, you know, down
Speaker 3: the the corridor with both Congress people and all the
Speaker 3: you know, the eufology personalities and experts. So yeah, it was.
Speaker 3: It was a wonderful time. I'm glad. I'm so grateful
Speaker 3: to have met you there.
Speaker 1: Now, now, did you get a chance to speak with
Speaker 1: You must have spoken with Sydney right from Yale.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that's right.
Speaker 2: Alumni.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right. I have her cart. You know,
Speaker 3: things are moving so fast I have I have to
Speaker 3: follow up with her. She was really cool. Yeah, she
Speaker 3: was one of the local organizers of my friend She Hands,
Speaker 3: you know, Daniel she Hen's first historic teaching, but this time,
Speaker 3: you know, teaching for disclosure and the nature of reality
Speaker 3: based on uthology and such, and so I really wanted
Speaker 3: to go there and I was hoping maybe to have
Speaker 3: an opportunity to to a little speaking or at least
Speaker 3: just participate, because yeah, that's where I went undergrad. And
Speaker 3: it was such a cool synchronicity to see she Hands,
Speaker 3: someone I look up to so much, bringing this topic there,
Speaker 3: and then you know, meeting this nice young lady who's
Speaker 3: also a screenwriter like myself. I also ran like the
Speaker 3: film production organization when I was there back in the day,
Speaker 3: and so yeah, I feel old, but it was really
Speaker 3: cool meeting her. She's a nice girl.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so you have this, I'd like this to
Speaker 1: do your own disclosure.
Speaker 2: That's great.
Speaker 1: That's kind of everyone's looking for the you know, di
Speaker 1: y whatever it is, do your own you know, you
Speaker 1: find things on YouTube.
Speaker 2: But disclosure, that's an interesting take.
Speaker 1: So it sounds like, you know, kind of working with
Speaker 1: the grassroots obviously, is what you seem to be talking about.
Speaker 2: And what what is your whole idea on that?
Speaker 3: Oh well, thanks for asking. Yeah, so, Di, I why disclosure.
Speaker 3: Hopefully were going to have you on my podcast of
Speaker 3: that title, which is relatively new, but we thought, you know,
Speaker 3: amazing people like Steve Bassett, Shean's going to be on there,
Speaker 3: Chris Bledsoe. So it's yeah, it's it's a new project,
Speaker 3: not like yours. It's like a legendary establishment, but a
Speaker 3: new new thing. But yeah, so it's one part of
Speaker 3: that whole concept, right. Uh, let me first explain it
Speaker 3: by you know, I actively, you know, help and work
Speaker 3: in the political disclosure world, as you know, you know
Speaker 3: from me kind of hanging out there with you throughout
Speaker 3: the night and day. So I do believe in traditional
Speaker 3: you know, political disclosure, but only in the sense that
Speaker 3: it is, you know, I do not see us getting
Speaker 3: evidence or at least not compelling evidence and certainly not
Speaker 3: proof of what's going on that way. I mean, I'm
Speaker 3: happy to be surprised if if something, you know, I
Speaker 3: think something catastrophic would have to go down in terms
Speaker 3: of us getting the goods this way, but it is
Speaker 3: an essential process to me of getting the goods to
Speaker 3: have this let's say, marketing thing. This this this political
Speaker 3: theater by bringing this into Congress and having it be
Speaker 3: it's more than theater, obviously, it's marketing though in a
Speaker 3: in a very in a very good sense of the word,
Speaker 3: in that it it validates and expands this idea to
Speaker 3: the masses. And this, this hearing more than ever, you know,
Speaker 3: was the first time I believe that that this was
Speaker 3: covered on every single mainstream platform you know, news and
Speaker 3: cable news and you know print news and whatever you
Speaker 3: might want to watch at any given time. So that's
Speaker 3: great and for me, that's that's wonderful marketing and you know,
Speaker 3: validation in terms of doing what I call di y disclosure,
Speaker 3: which in my view is the only way we're actually
Speaker 3: gonna find out what this really is, you know, So
Speaker 3: di I Y disclosure. In one sense, it's kind of
Speaker 3: the experiencer side, which you know it's supposed to talk
Speaker 3: about in political disclosure. They just want the nuts and bolts.
Speaker 3: Still don't want to scare people too much yet, But
Speaker 3: I'm an experiencer, which I can give you the whole
Speaker 3: wild the adventure I've had becoming one. So di i
Speaker 3: y disclosure in one sense is self revelation, right, consciousness
Speaker 3: being sort of in subjectivity, being sort of the root
Speaker 3: of what we have to work with, you know, primarily,
Speaker 3: but also di y disclosure in terms of, like you said,
Speaker 3: this sort of grassroots activism and also grassroots collaborative projects
Speaker 3: SCIENTI big projects to to understand or experiences and video
Speaker 3: them and you know, scientifically analyze them. So I think
Speaker 3: that's that's the only way that we can get the
Speaker 3: real disclosure, and that's why it's kind of my main.
Speaker 1: Focus right right, excellent, So I just I forgot to
Speaker 1: mention this for those of us in the United States,
Speaker 1: we have a holiday, a great holiday coming up, and nope,
Speaker 1: can't talk about politics at the table this year.
Speaker 2: Anyway, Happy Thanksgiving to.
Speaker 1: All of all of you in the US or wherever
Speaker 1: you are that you know there are people like Chris
Speaker 1: Leado celebrates Thanksgiving over and Portugal like that. So anyway,
Speaker 1: happy Thanksgiving to you all, and it's good to see
Speaker 1: you all in chat everyone. But yeah, so, yeah, I wondered,
Speaker 1: had you say you're an experiencer yourself? And you know,
Speaker 1: there's there was a person I had on my show
Speaker 1: last week there was some He's a very interesting guy,
Speaker 1: Charlie Charlie Parrish. He's he's from England, but he lives
Speaker 1: in out your Way and he is also an experiencer,
Speaker 1: but he seems to be a little bit skeptical about UFOs.
Speaker 1: It's kind of a strange mix. So it's almost like
Speaker 1: you got to have one to have the other. But anyway,
Speaker 1: so what are your what are your thoughts on that?
Speaker 1: I mean, do you think these experiences are experiencing actually
Speaker 1: from extraterrestrial or interdimensional or is it a big question mark?
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, in terms of where they're from, as far
Speaker 3: as I've had access to information, both in terms of
Speaker 3: DIY self revelation and you know, talking to others who
Speaker 3: have you know, said they've done, you know, various things
Speaker 3: like this. You know, I'm hoping to hopefully be meeting
Speaker 3: with carl Nell at an event coming up soon because
Speaker 3: he's someone who rather famously had said just to paraphrase
Speaker 3: that he you know, he was very certain that they
Speaker 3: were off world extraterrestrial, right, And and you know, it
Speaker 3: always gets me thinking like, how how could you possibly
Speaker 3: know that? Right? You how can you prove that? It
Speaker 3: would be pretty cool. I mean, if it were to
Speaker 3: be proven for real, like in a way where it's
Speaker 3: not just oh it seemed like this or my perception
Speaker 3: was this, it's going to be a grand adventure because
Speaker 3: like how I mean, you'd have to be able to
Speaker 3: bee said being traveling to another world, and you'd have
Speaker 3: to go with that being to the other world and
Speaker 3: somehow get some sort of proof that that being is
Speaker 3: from that other world, which would be you mean, sign
Speaker 3: me up. That sounds great unless it's you know, one
Speaker 3: of these humor scary things. But so far, I'm very
Speaker 3: fortunate to have only experienced what has been described famously
Speaker 3: by Chris Bledsoe as he's you know, angelic beings, right,
Speaker 3: So it's definitely been my experience with them. But yeah,
Speaker 3: the extraterrestrial thing is a great question. It's something I
Speaker 3: think about quite often since I have somewhat recently become
Speaker 3: an experience. It's only been this year, mind you, I think, well,
Speaker 3: I think there were elements that were happening before, but
Speaker 3: I did not really understand it was connected to this
Speaker 3: whole thing. So yeah, so the extraterrestrial thing, I'd love
Speaker 3: to you know, hopefully I can ask Colonel Nell, you know,
Speaker 3: if you're listening, you know, perps, you can hit me
Speaker 3: up and give me some more information. I'm very curious
Speaker 3: about how you're so certain about this. Obviously you have
Speaker 3: he has more access to all kinds of things than
Speaker 3: I do so far. So but yeah, so I don't know,
Speaker 3: it could just be all part of us, right. The
Speaker 3: only thing that seems pretty clear is that consciousness is
Speaker 3: this sort of nexus is sort of ven diagram overlapping
Speaker 3: cross section between all things, right, whether it's you know,
Speaker 3: all things subcategory as experiences right, paranormal, you know, any
Speaker 3: of these sort of interactions that are etheroric by nature.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I don't know. I would, you know, with
Speaker 3: Chris Bledsoe, a friend of mine, h and as sort
Speaker 3: of a mentor, you know, in terms of understanding various
Speaker 3: aspects of what it means to be an experiencer in
Speaker 3: his world. You know, he feels quite certain that the
Speaker 3: beings that I've been hanging out with often often with him,
Speaker 3: but not always are these angelic beings. And you've probably
Speaker 3: heard about you know, his his stories and read his
Speaker 3: amazing book which I recommend to everyone called Ufo of God.
Speaker 3: It's just a beautifully written book and human story with
Speaker 3: some very very very unusual things. You know, he seems
Speaker 3: to be the most validated experiencer.
Speaker 1: And is he going to save the day or not.
Speaker 1: I was trying to keep something going here with you gone,
Speaker 1: but you so, you froze, You froze some time ago.
Speaker 1: And I'm not sure what at this point exactly what
Speaker 1: you were talking about. You were talking about basically your
Speaker 1: own experiences, and you know, and and uh, you know
Speaker 1: what you thought, Uh, you and Chris Bledso shared a
Speaker 1: similar experience type of thing. And you know, I'll just
Speaker 1: ask about that. You know, there's a lot of people
Speaker 1: that think that UFOs are okay, but you know, the experience,
Speaker 1: the experiences or abductees or whatever, there is a bridge
Speaker 1: too far for a lot of people. A lot of
Speaker 1: people are thinking, I don't want to go there, you know,
Speaker 1: And so I guess I have to ask you, how
Speaker 1: convinced are you that something actually happened to you? And
Speaker 1: how would you you know, how would you share that
Speaker 1: comfortably share that with this audience.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, great, great question. Yeah, it's been interesting going
Speaker 3: from more of the just analytical kind of side and
Speaker 3: looking at the history and the documents, and you know,
Speaker 3: I became increasingly curious about the experiences obviously, but it
Speaker 3: wasn't Yeah, and then I had this sort of opportunity
Speaker 3: while making one of my various documentary projects to get
Speaker 3: to know Chris Bledsoe and and he has quite a
Speaker 3: lot of experiences with him. So yeah, it's interesting to
Speaker 3: be in this situation now where it's like take my
Speaker 3: word for it, you know. So yeah, so I appreciate
Speaker 3: that from all angles having experienced them. And it's a
Speaker 3: weird thing. I mean generally, I mean I have a
Speaker 3: community of people online and such where it's, you know,
Speaker 3: we take experiences very seriously. Doesn't mean we just you know,
Speaker 3: assume everything to be as as described necessarily. But so yeah,
Speaker 3: I have enough people. But this is also a very
Speaker 3: somewhat controversial type of experience being with this this guy
Speaker 3: who's who's has you know, big fan base, but also
Speaker 3: some people more skeptical about about his things. So yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean from my point of view, from my experience
Speaker 3: as they call it. Of course, I feel one hundred
Speaker 3: percent certain that these these things really happen, and there's
Speaker 3: been many of them right as to what they are, though,
Speaker 3: you know, I don't personally jump to ill take a
Speaker 3: scientific type approach where I don't just you know, take
Speaker 3: my serious my experiences to just be you know, I
Speaker 3: don't take leaps in sort of logic that just because
Speaker 3: I saw and felt this, that therefore it's extraterrestrial, therefore
Speaker 3: it's angel Like, you know, I'm trying to find out
Speaker 3: what it is. It's just sort of the beginning of
Speaker 3: my research, I guess, with me as sort of the
Speaker 3: test subject. Interestingly enough, so there's been so many of
Speaker 3: these experiences. But like if the first time I got
Speaker 3: I was hanging out with the family, which are you know,
Speaker 3: they're just the nicest, greatest people in my view. There
Speaker 3: are many people witnessing what was going on, right, and
Speaker 3: you know, there were various there's various equipment, not as
Speaker 3: high tech as I want to bring to the table
Speaker 3: moving forward. But but yeah, you know, essentially I can
Speaker 3: give you the whole story. But in broad strokes, it
Speaker 3: began with seeing one orb in the sky in a
Speaker 3: place it would not be possible to see an orb
Speaker 3: in the sky. It was actually a super full moon,
Speaker 3: so it was and it was cloudy, and it was
Speaker 3: raining previously, so not optimal conditions for seeing mysterious things
Speaker 3: in the sky, right, But regardless, these things are quite persistent.
Speaker 3: And I guess with with Chris Bloodston and his family,
Speaker 3: and so the first thing that I noticed was this
Speaker 3: unusually unusual bright thing that was like right next to
Speaker 3: this massive bright moon. And I, you know, I'm not
Speaker 3: an astronomer, but I know enough about astronomy and how
Speaker 3: the sky works at night to be like, well, that's unusual.
Speaker 3: You know, there are no stars, you know, visible anywhere
Speaker 3: near this moon. It is way too bright, you know
Speaker 3: to have you know, visible stars near it. And I'm like, oh,
Speaker 3: I see what's going on. Something weird is happening. And
Speaker 3: Chris was watching my expression and kind of you know,
Speaker 3: he's analyzing sort of the revelations I was having, the
Speaker 3: experience I was having, and so he gave me this
Speaker 3: this pretty you know, high tech little scope night vision
Speaker 3: type thing, and all of a sudden, I was able
Speaker 3: to see this object very clearly and recorded it, you know,
Speaker 3: for what it's worth and and it was, you know,
Speaker 3: I could immediately see it was not a star. It
Speaker 3: was it was a spherical orb. It had at a
Speaker 3: little blue kind of pulsing quantum rhythmic thing and a
Speaker 3: little red pulsing quantum rhythmic thing. And the sensation I
Speaker 3: had was that it noticed that I was recognizing it
Speaker 3: for what it was, and then it decided it's as
Speaker 3: it seemed to me maybe in an anthropomorphics sort of way,
Speaker 3: wanted to kind of put on a bit of a show.
Speaker 3: Maybe it seemed sort of whimsical how it did it.
Speaker 3: And so this one very bright orb next to this
Speaker 3: massively moon, suddenly it started drifting off a little bit.
Speaker 3: And then as it did it one became two, became three,
Speaker 3: became four. This kept happening, It kept dividing, and until
Speaker 3: there was about accounted that I could see about like
Speaker 3: sixteen different orbs in the sky from this one orb,
Speaker 3: all over the place. And so I saw it from
Speaker 3: you know, horizon to horizon and everything in between, you know,
Speaker 3: a very long distance, and so my mind is going like, okay,
Speaker 3: is this it could these be drones like and drones?
Speaker 3: You know, So it just was astonishing how it seemed
Speaker 3: to be so far away and everywhere in the sky.
Speaker 3: But that was then just the beginning. Then one of
Speaker 3: these orbs seemed to be kind of vibing with me.
Speaker 3: That that was a sensation I had, and it kind
Speaker 3: of went down to ground level and kind of like
Speaker 3: very kind of earnestly, was like sneaking up from behind
Speaker 3: this rather large tree and it was about like truck size,
Speaker 3: I guess, but this big version of this very three
Speaker 3: dimensional with pulsing stuff. So so anyway, just answer your
Speaker 3: question on the first chapter of this one evening right
Speaker 3: those things, you know, I was just trying to imagine
Speaker 3: how this could, I mean, I would everybody was, you know,
Speaker 3: completely sober, completely loocid. You know, we were having a
Speaker 3: nice time, like a kind of Norman Rockwell kind of wholesome,
Speaker 3: you know, hanging out with family kind of vibe. And
Speaker 3: there was nothing you know, hallucinatory about it. And especially
Speaker 3: with the help of these you know, scopes and things,
Speaker 3: to me, you know, it seemed crystal clear. And then
Speaker 3: when it you know, went behind the tree, it was
Speaker 3: you didn't need a scope to see it. You know,
Speaker 3: you could tell it was something very unusual. So if
Speaker 3: I don't want to bore you too much with every detail,
Speaker 3: but some of the other parts that were quite mind blowing.
Speaker 3: Right if you read Chris's book, he has this tendency
Speaker 3: to be, I guess, a conduit of healing, and I've
Speaker 3: been disabled. I was disabled for a good majority of
Speaker 3: my life. This is a big kind of fundamental aspect
Speaker 3: of everything I do, including my philosophy and research and such.
Speaker 3: But long story short, for about twenty two years in particular,
Speaker 3: I had the highest level of chronic lower back pain
Speaker 3: that was I guess documentable by medical science. So I
Speaker 3: was tortured a live for many years, which I guess
Speaker 3: subsequently led to my ego death, although I guess I
Speaker 3: didn't know what an ego death was at the time.
Speaker 3: I just knew I was sort of stripped down on nothing,
Speaker 3: you know, from that experience, which is one of the
Speaker 3: many things I sort of vibed with when I met
Speaker 3: Chris Bledsoe initially at contact in the desert. We've both
Speaker 3: been through very parallel stories in terms of whatever for
Speaker 3: to in my philosophy as our coherence narrative or our
Speaker 3: sort of life experiences that lead up to this point,
Speaker 3: which is based on my research and theories. You know,
Speaker 3: is fundamental in terms of knowing what kind of experience
Speaker 3: an experience is going to have, right, you know, the
Speaker 3: the personal emotional trials and tribulations and such. So just
Speaker 3: and this is this could be like an hour's long
Speaker 3: conversation just this one night. So I'll try to I'll
Speaker 3: try to be succinct, but essentially, so he put his
Speaker 3: hand on my on my lower back, somehow intuitively knowing
Speaker 3: the focal point of my pain, and I felt this
Speaker 3: like warm, tingling sort of energy down there. And then
Speaker 3: moments later this is where I got one of the
Speaker 3: most sort of yeah, paradigm changing kind of things from
Speaker 3: my personal life. So Chris Bledsoe is famous or sort
Speaker 3: of being able to precog where the the entities are
Speaker 3: angelic entities are going to be before they show up. Right,
Speaker 3: and soon after he touched my lower spine, all of
Speaker 3: a sudden, I had this clear as day vision in
Speaker 3: my head. It wasn't really like a vision though. It
Speaker 3: wasn't like a dream. It was just like seeing something
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty vision, right, And what I saw was
Speaker 3: a very specific part of the night sky. And then
Speaker 3: this this vibrant flash and an ORB showing up. And
Speaker 3: so then about maybe like forty five seconds later, I
Speaker 3: just sort of kind of as if I was just
Speaker 3: sort of flowing through life naturally without thinking. I looked
Speaker 3: up at this guy at a certain spot and it
Speaker 3: was the exact same spot and that exact same flash
Speaker 3: happened and there was that ORB and it was like
Speaker 3: retrocausality or however this consciousness stuff works with these particular entities.
Speaker 3: So that was interesting. And then okay, the last mind
Speaker 3: blowing thing that happened, and you know, was that I
Speaker 3: was hanging out with his amazing lovely daughter Emily. Butsoe
Speaker 3: who's like like me, She, I guess channels through the
Speaker 3: creation of music, and that's where I after my ego
Speaker 3: death thing, That's where I kind of came up with
Speaker 3: my philosophy somehow my music and it's just how you know,
Speaker 3: I guess, it's how some creative people kind of operate.
Speaker 3: And so she was a great mentor to have there
Speaker 3: because I was like, hey, I was wondering, you know,
Speaker 3: we were talking about channeling through music before, because she's
Speaker 3: doing like this concept album with like the Monro Institute,
Speaker 3: and she's like, this is a really cool girl. And
Speaker 3: I was like, so this whole thing I'm looking at
Speaker 3: dealing with here, it feels like, you know, the sensation
Speaker 3: that I have when I'm in this what I refer
Speaker 3: to as the in my philosophy as the eternal presence
Speaker 3: tense flow state. So basically I'm just sort of in
Speaker 3: a constant state of meditation and creation all the time.
Speaker 3: It took me a while to get here, though, so
Speaker 3: I was like, hey, it reminds me of how the
Speaker 3: channeling through music and stuff in terms of this, this
Speaker 3: sort of precog thing that just happened in terms of me,
Speaker 3: you know, knowing where the next orb would be before
Speaker 3: it showed itself. And she sort of validated that, right,
Speaker 3: And as she and she said, there's an aspect of
Speaker 3: this for creative folks like us that's sort of a
Speaker 3: consciousness co creation manifestation. I don't know, throwing in as
Speaker 3: many words as you want here of the phenomenon, right,
Speaker 3: and this is this is what got even more interesting.
Speaker 3: So and as that was happening, I saw Chris and
Speaker 3: his daughter were both kind of knowing the sort of laughing.
Speaker 3: It was a lot of fun and laughing it was
Speaker 3: like a good night, you know. And and I noticed
Speaker 3: that they're they're pointing like over my right shoulder, like, okay,
Speaker 3: what's that? And so I look over my right shoulder,
Speaker 3: and I thought it was maybe like a bird or
Speaker 3: a bat or something, but it wasn't moving like any
Speaker 3: of those things. And as it came closer, this is
Speaker 3: hard to describe exactly, but it's like this about this
Speaker 3: this long right, it kind of looked like a sort
Speaker 3: of like a base ship kind of spaceship plane, but
Speaker 3: it was biological made out of this like dark dense material. Right,
Speaker 3: it looked like it almost had feathers, but it wasn't feathers.
Speaker 3: It was like almost like an Egyptian design on it,
Speaker 3: and it was moving very slowly. It didn't have wings.
Speaker 3: I thought maybe it was a bad or a bird,
Speaker 3: but I mean it had wings, but it was like
Speaker 3: not like a living organism's wings. It was like a
Speaker 3: stationary thing. And it moved in this like like perfectly
Speaker 3: straight line, like almost like impossibly perfectly straight, and it
Speaker 3: was moving unusually slow. And then as it came closer
Speaker 3: with everyone, there's a whole bunch of people looking at it. Also,
Speaker 3: it kind of like just hovered up to me like this,
Speaker 3: like within like about like maybe eight inches to my face,
Speaker 3: like what is this thing? And and then it just
Speaker 3: kind of everyone everybody's just kind of like stopped and
Speaker 3: looked at it as it goes really slowly by. And
Speaker 3: then there's this like creek, you know, on their property,
Speaker 3: and it just went like directly straight into the distance,
Speaker 3: almost like spaghettified. It was so like straight, and then
Speaker 3: it was gone. So, I mean, what they explained it
Speaker 3: to be is something that they see pretty regularly, and
Speaker 3: it sort of presents itself in different ways depending on
Speaker 3: how you sort of co imagine it co imagine it.
Speaker 3: And so like Emily and Chris was saying, you know,
Speaker 3: like a few nights pre is it showed up as
Speaker 3: like a like an antique book. Uh, and it flew
Speaker 3: by flapping its wings, and so I'm eager to sort
Speaker 3: of experiment. So anyway, thanks for listening to the whole recollection.
Speaker 3: But so okay, in terms of yeah, like how do
Speaker 3: I explain that to like my parents and stuff? You know,
Speaker 3: it's the people in my community you know more or
Speaker 3: less get it, you know. And so now my mission,
Speaker 3: you know, is to try to get better data on
Speaker 3: it and better images, which which people have been sort
Speaker 3: of requesting in general. And so that's kind of in
Speaker 3: the works and hopefully we can you know, make something,
Speaker 3: you know, make some real disclosure out of this that
Speaker 3: that you know, people can study and have repeatable results.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the problem.
Speaker 1: The repeatable you know part of it is uh is
Speaker 1: always is always tricky because you know, I mean, you
Speaker 1: don't know when something like whatever it is happened. It's
Speaker 1: it's uh interesting because I had someone uh contact me
Speaker 1: from they have a ranch in New Mexico, and they
Speaker 1: were describing these things that were up in a tree
Speaker 1: and coming down. They said they at first they thought
Speaker 1: they were birds, but they they looked they looked mechanical,
Speaker 1: and it was such a strange, very strange thing.
Speaker 3: That was one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he had one witness that they both they both
Speaker 1: were walking the dog at three am basically and saw
Speaker 1: this whole thing happen to them and a very bright moon.
Speaker 1: They could see it very clear. They could see it clearly,
Speaker 1: which was really bizarre. I've tried to get this person
Speaker 1: on my show because you know, a lot goes on
Speaker 1: and this is a family ranch out in New Mexico.
Speaker 1: So it's a strange situation. I don't know, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean I had.
Speaker 2: Chris Bledsoe.
Speaker 1: Of course he was standing in line with us there,
Speaker 1: you know, but he's been you know, on my show
Speaker 1: a few times, and you know, and that for they
Speaker 1: document so many things that are actually happening, you know,
Speaker 1: with they actually video these things happening, and it's uh,
Speaker 1: you know, and John Alexander, who I have a lot
Speaker 1: of respect for, you know, went to his house and
Speaker 1: had all kinds of things happen.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, you know, he's very very in terms of repeatable,
Speaker 3: reliable experiences. You know, he's he's one of the great
Speaker 3: people for that. And yeah, I think there's a lot
Speaker 3: to be learned from him.
Speaker 1: I mean, I want to I don't live I live
Speaker 1: about five when I'm living down in South Carolina in
Speaker 1: the winter, I'm only about five five hours away from him,
Speaker 1: and we have talked about, you know, me beating up
Speaker 1: with him there. I mean, I'd love to see what's
Speaker 1: going on there, you know.
Speaker 2: But yeah, so when do these things start happening to you?
Speaker 3: Actually, yeah, it's been pretty recent. So so I got
Speaker 3: to you know, became friends with Chris and his lovely
Speaker 3: wife and such during the last contact in the desert
Speaker 3: and Olaus and seges since and then I guess he
Speaker 3: invited me there for the first time. I'm kind of
Speaker 3: bad at dates, but it was about I want to say,
Speaker 3: like four and a half months ago maybe, and we've
Speaker 3: been sort of collaborating on various things that hopefully I
Speaker 3: can talk about publicly pretty soon, but just been you know,
Speaker 3: a great person to get to know and learn from.
Speaker 3: So and then yeah, I've had, you know, I can't
Speaker 3: maybe about like ten or so experiences with them. And
Speaker 3: then also i've been having you know, what people refer
Speaker 3: to as hitchhiker entities, hanging out with me on my own,
Speaker 3: whether I'm on the East Coast and a little bit
Speaker 3: less so, but on the West Coast too, So they
Speaker 3: haven't been They've been a little bit different in terms
Speaker 3: of the experiences I have with Chris, which I had
Speaker 3: a very interesting one week and a half a week
Speaker 3: ago right after the hearing. So yeah, I'm just down
Speaker 3: for it. I mean it helps that these have been
Speaker 3: all good, good experiences, you know, not scary at all.
Speaker 3: I mean, when I'm on my own, I've been having
Speaker 3: some of these like like in DC, I get these
Speaker 3: like indoor orbs that are different than those like spherical
Speaker 3: ones I was describing. They're more like brighter, kind of
Speaker 3: a little bit more yellow in color. And they're the
Speaker 3: ones that like they hang out inside my apartment. I
Speaker 3: guess I don't know why, but they're friendly, but they're
Speaker 3: they're a little not to be critical though, we love
Speaker 3: all the orbs obviously, but at least initially, it seemed
Speaker 3: they seem like they're just kind of like in my
Speaker 3: peripheral vision mostly, and then when I look at them,
Speaker 3: they just kind of like scatter, and I'm like, come on,
Speaker 3: just just just you know, we're I thought we already
Speaker 3: got to know each other. You don't have to, you know,
Speaker 3: you know, have to like lurk over my shoulder, just
Speaker 3: you know, in front of me and you know, maybe
Speaker 3: speak to me and you know, so I can understand
Speaker 3: the universe what no pressure, of course. But so yeah,
Speaker 3: they're different though they're they're they're they don't really cheese
Speaker 3: so far. Well okay, okay, yeah, generally do not change sizes, right,
Speaker 3: And so I've been seeing those like almost every day.
Speaker 3: I do these spaces on X which are great where
Speaker 3: I kind of work in my philosophy and have these
Speaker 3: collaborative DIY kind of community projects, and a lot of
Speaker 3: times they'll just show, they'll just like pop out while
Speaker 3: I'm doing a live space, you know. And it's great though,
Speaker 3: because I have this amazing and not my community, but
Speaker 3: I'm part of a wonderful community of you know, some
Speaker 3: of the greatest experiencers and researchers. So it's nice. It's
Speaker 3: nice to talk to to them instead of like, you know, uh,
Speaker 3: you know, like my sister, you know about it. I
Speaker 3: love my sister, but you know, you asked about being
Speaker 3: an experiencer, and she was getting getting into the whole
Speaker 3: idea that I was, you know, that this is a
Speaker 3: real subject, and those hearings are very helpful to prove
Speaker 3: that it's not just in her heads that this is
Speaker 3: a real thing, whatever it might be. But but some
Speaker 3: people though, like I said to her, I started explaining
Speaker 3: to her one of my experiences and she's just like,
Speaker 3: you're scaring me. I'm like, oh, yeah, well sorry.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's that's true. That that happened.
Speaker 1: So Mary Grace wanted to know if Chris and his
Speaker 1: startup ball saw the same thing as you.
Speaker 3: They definitely did, yes, And there are other people there
Speaker 3: too that I can't necessarily just say publicly, but yeah,
Speaker 3: there was about there was I mean there was about
Speaker 3: five bled stones looking at it, and and like three
Speaker 3: other friends of ours. So yeah, there was a lot
Speaker 3: of eyeballs on it, on that whole situation.
Speaker 2: Now, how about your back pain?
Speaker 3: Oh yes, right, that's about to tell you. Yeah, actually, okay,
Speaker 3: so much happened that first time hanging out with Chris
Speaker 3: and his lovely family. So yeah, okay, So that first
Speaker 3: time I going into that, right, I had this very
Speaker 3: very very fortunate leg issue that you know, because of
Speaker 3: all these years of having chronic back pain that kind
Speaker 3: of messed up my alignment and so over time it
Speaker 3: started to mess up my knee and then it was
Speaker 3: as you know, downward spiraling dilemmas, because you know, walking
Speaker 3: is the is the main way that I get some
Speaker 3: kind of relief pain wise, you know, from all the
Speaker 3: arthritic agony, and so I couldn't even really walk then,
Speaker 3: and I was, you know, working on these investigative documentaries
Speaker 3: and it's like it was just very difficult to travel, right,
Speaker 3: And so after this first crazy good time with christ
Speaker 3: and his family. My just the next morning, my knee
Speaker 3: was like totally finding it and it's been totally fine
Speaker 3: to such an extent. I was the first person there
Speaker 3: freezing my butt off all night waiting for the hearing.
Speaker 3: And I did that partially to kind of test to
Speaker 3: see how well my my leg is. You know, how
Speaker 3: much better it really is now, you know, I'm just kidding,
Speaker 3: testing to see the efficacy. Yeah, wasn't it.
Speaker 1: I don't think I've ever been so cold, you know,
Speaker 1: it's spent a long time to talk about.
Speaker 3: That cold was Oh my god, because I had this
Speaker 3: whole thing. I was like, I only had because I'm
Speaker 3: East coast, West coast, so I never have the right
Speaker 3: wardrobe at any given point. And I was like, I
Speaker 3: just have this huge like parko with like a like
Speaker 3: a fur hoodie, and like I could wear that, but
Speaker 3: then I'm going to have to like beholding that thing
Speaker 3: in every time, you know, throughout the entire day the
Speaker 3: you know, she Hans rally meeting cool people like you.
Speaker 3: So I was like, you know what, I'm just gonna freeze.
Speaker 3: And that's what I did. I froze.
Speaker 2: It was so cool, was freezing.
Speaker 1: I kept like walking around, you know, walking around the
Speaker 1: block just to faw out, you know, I mean, it
Speaker 1: was crazy.
Speaker 3: And there's no bathrooms. They don't give you bathrooms, Like
Speaker 3: I know, I know that was what I did as
Speaker 3: a result that I took care of it. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: it was crazy.
Speaker 2: It was something else.
Speaker 1: But but anyway, uh so, but you you were actually
Speaker 1: saying that there were you you've seen some type of
Speaker 1: being as well.
Speaker 2: Is that what you mentioned?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, let me first, but yeah, just give you
Speaker 3: a bit more in the pain situation. So the knee
Speaker 3: has been fine since then, and also my my feeling
Speaker 3: about the pain is that it's been it's been about
Speaker 3: twenty five to thirty percent better every day since that
Speaker 3: since since that initial healing. And I did get a
Speaker 3: bit flared up when I abused my body at the hearing,
Speaker 3: but fortunately I got to hang out with my new
Speaker 3: friend Chris a few days later, and this is where
Speaker 3: I had a whole other different level of healing adventure.
Speaker 3: I guess some people say, Kung Galini that that that
Speaker 3: stuff kind of scares me a bit, but yeah, it's
Speaker 3: I guess it was like a whole I can tell
Speaker 3: you about that too. So more healing. The healing continues.
Speaker 2: That's good. That's good. So you were next to Jason.
Speaker 2: Are you a friends with Jason?
Speaker 1: Uh?
Speaker 3: Well, now, yeah, meet him there?
Speaker 2: Did you meet him there?
Speaker 3: We're all close friends, you know together? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: He saved the day as far as my computer charger,
Speaker 1: because I was streaming live from there and it was
Speaker 1: draining fast and and he was great, great to be there.
Speaker 1: So it looks like I actually have to wrap a
Speaker 1: little bit earlier today than normal, so in about five
Speaker 1: minutes or so. So I guess what I'd like to
Speaker 1: ask you is I saw you only have a couple
Speaker 1: of podcasts, but you're you're trying to get this podcast
Speaker 1: off the ground.
Speaker 2: I wish I know how that that is. And I
Speaker 2: was going to ask you. Was Steven Bassett your first guests?
Speaker 3: He was supposed to be, but due to scheduling, I
Speaker 3: had my other friend, Eric Hecker was the first guest,
Speaker 3: which it appears appears to be a good di y
Speaker 3: disclosure type person and that he's, you know, a whistleblower
Speaker 3: I guess of Antarctica. So that was interesting. Then I
Speaker 3: had Steve Bassett, and then I've had Paul Heinich and
Speaker 3: I've had some great oh, Paul's great. Yeah, yes, pretty much.
Speaker 3: You know, physics philosophers like Evin Winz, my friend and
Speaker 3: also my friend Roddy Herbert. So you were taking it
Speaker 3: from the scientific perspective, the experienced perspective, you know, the
Speaker 3: legendary podcaster perspective, you know, all the di I y
Speaker 3: people making it happen, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, Stephen Bassett.
Speaker 1: I was just mentioning him because he was a I
Speaker 1: contacted everyone back in twenty eleven that was anybody, and
Speaker 1: he's the only one that said sure. He was my
Speaker 1: first guest. So did you get the first guest going?
Speaker 1: Then then it goes pretty well from there, and and yeah,
Speaker 1: it isn't It's such a fun thing to look into,
Speaker 1: you know, because of all the different ideas of this puzzle.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's still a puzzle, you know. I mean,
Speaker 1: we had someone new, uh and that is taking over
Speaker 1: arrow a r Oh. I'm not sure how that's going
Speaker 1: to go. You know, there's already mixed reviews. But we'll see,
Speaker 1: you know, hopefully he'll be at least more transparent than Kirkpatrick.
Speaker 2: Was, you know.
Speaker 1: So, but but anyway, I really appreciate you coming on
Speaker 1: and I wish you good luck with your with your podcasts,
Speaker 1: and I'm just looking to see if we have any
Speaker 1: other questions for you here.
Speaker 2: And yeah, they.
Speaker 3: Did excited to have you in the podcast. You know,
Speaker 3: I'm glad this is briefs that we have more room
Speaker 3: to explore for the next one, because you think I'm
Speaker 3: eager to sort of put you in the spotlight to
Speaker 3: hear about your many years of talking to different kinds
Speaker 3: of people, experiencers and everything else, so to get your
Speaker 3: sort of your theories and your overview.
Speaker 1: Yeah, someone just wanted you to get talk a little
Speaker 1: bit more about your your d Y d I Y disclosure.
Speaker 1: I guess that's the only other thing that I see.
Speaker 1: And if you want to wrap it up with a
Speaker 1: little more talk about is this something like any type
Speaker 1: of organization or is it just your thoughts of of
Speaker 1: what you're hoping to see it done.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, thanks for asking, well briefly, and this can
Speaker 3: be for for next time. I've created an entire philosophy
Speaker 3: for finding truth in a post truth world, so DIY
Speaker 3: disclosure is sort of part of that methodology, right as
Speaker 3: I described already. You know, I'm kind of just attempting
Speaker 3: to do whatever I can as one person to to
Speaker 3: find find the truth and to share the truth collaboratively. Right, So,
Speaker 3: in terms of it is DIY disclosure and organizations sort
Speaker 3: of it's currently a discord where there are thirty seven
Speaker 3: different collaborative projects, including some of the documentaries I'm making
Speaker 3: one about the Truth Embargo with Steve Bassett, you know,
Speaker 3: telling the history of the greatest cover up, and various
Speaker 3: others you know along those lines, and so and so
Speaker 3: it is sort of a it's sort of an Internet
Speaker 3: hive mind, and it's great because we can we have
Speaker 3: all these different projects with different people kind of leading
Speaker 3: different ones, but they're all available in this kind of
Speaker 3: massive complex of discord subchannels so that we can cross
Speaker 3: pollinate and you know, up one project needs an expert
Speaker 3: for this or that you know, you can you know,
Speaker 3: leap frog around and pollinate. So that that's been kind
Speaker 3: of part of it, and it's sort of the philosophy
Speaker 3: of my approach to making these investigative documentaries about the subject,
Speaker 3: which you know range from very things from the experience,
Speaker 3: your point of view, from the suppressed technologies, and I'm
Speaker 3: working you know with some very excellent scientists around the
Speaker 3: world trying to kind of problem solve some of these
Speaker 3: projects like the the Nikola Romunsky project for example, and
Speaker 3: others just just you know, getting getting people to collaborate
Speaker 3: essentially to find the truth. So that's that's kind of
Speaker 3: the the ethos of it. And but for the greater structure,
Speaker 3: I have this philosophy that I was lecturing about at
Speaker 3: Contact in the Desert, and I have some other engagements
Speaker 3: coming up which we don't have time to get into
Speaker 3: all of it. But that's kind of the source code
Speaker 3: and of what I'm trying to do and how I'm
Speaker 3: trying to understand what's going on. And it's working pretty
Speaker 3: good so far. You know, for example, in terms of
Speaker 3: DIY disclosure, right it it came from this sort of
Speaker 3: effort to find and share as much truth as possible
Speaker 3: until the point of death and there beyond should the
Speaker 3: opportunity present itself, which is the super objective of this philosophy.
Speaker 3: Just a little taste of what's to come in a
Speaker 3: more lengthy conversation. So you know, I'm getting to know
Speaker 3: people like Steve Bassett and collaborating and assisting him on
Speaker 3: his efforts, and also Sheehan. There is a lot of
Speaker 3: vagueness in terms of what is disclosure, how will we
Speaker 3: know if we find it? For me, and how I
Speaker 3: define it, it's the only disclosure we're going to get.
Speaker 3: It's DIY disclosure. It comes from our subjectivity, and it's
Speaker 3: an eternal process. It's not like we're just going to
Speaker 3: get this flag planted because and all of a sudden
Speaker 3: disclosure is done and then and then we're in an
Speaker 3: offensive Stea Bassett. But you know that we're going to
Speaker 3: be in a post disclosure world. For me, like awakening,
Speaker 3: disclosure is an eternal process based on my philosophy, if
Speaker 3: that makes sense.
Speaker 1: Yeah, excellent, all right, Well, thank you so much.
Speaker 2: Ross.
Speaker 1: It's been a pleasure, and it's been a real nice
Speaker 1: uh really nice uh meeting you and hanging out with you,
Speaker 1: Like what did we hang out with?
Speaker 2: At least five or six hours.
Speaker 3: We went through all kinds of things.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and myass killing me too with that. But anyway, yeah,
Speaker 2: thank you so much.
Speaker 3: We survived. What we'll do again at the next hearing,
Speaker 3: which is even better.
Speaker 2: Yes, yep, I'll be there.
Speaker 3: I'm sure, all right, you take care, all right, Thanks
Speaker 3: for having me, you bet all.
Speaker 1: Right everyone, So we'll be back next week. I'm not
Speaker 1: really sure what the show's who the guest is going
Speaker 1: to be. It might be Dave Marler. I'm not sure
Speaker 1: really at this point, but anyway, also do a little
Speaker 1: bit of a tribute to our good friend Chris O'Brien
Speaker 1: and thank you everyone. Remember to keep your eyes to
Speaker 1: the sky.