WEBVTT 1 00:00:25.640 --> 00:00:30.399 And Willashire host, and we have Ross Waxman coming up. 2 00:00:30.679 --> 00:00:33.759 I met him in line. He was in line. 3 00:00:33.560 --> 00:00:38.359 With me at the Washington d C hearing on the thirteenth. 4 00:00:38.600 --> 00:00:40.880 We're gonna be talking about what he's up to in 5 00:00:40.920 --> 00:00:44.960 the UFO world and all that. Very interesting guy. And 6 00:00:45.640 --> 00:00:50.119 I do have some rather sad news to make today. 7 00:00:50.320 --> 00:00:54.679 And that is a good friend of mine, and of 8 00:00:54.719 --> 00:00:57.679 this he's been on the show many times. 9 00:00:58.079 --> 00:01:00.079 But Christopher. 10 00:01:01.079 --> 00:01:05.120 O'Brien got in a car accident basically trying to get 11 00:01:05.159 --> 00:01:08.719 to the hospital and did not make it and unfortunately 12 00:01:09.359 --> 00:01:14.200 passed away two nights ago. So I'm really sorry to 13 00:01:14.239 --> 00:01:17.040 have to report this. It's a it's a real shame. 14 00:01:17.959 --> 00:01:21.519 He was He was interesting and fun guy. He and 15 00:01:21.599 --> 00:01:26.319 I hang on just a second. I'm having a little 16 00:01:26.359 --> 00:01:27.560 trouble with the computer now. 17 00:01:27.599 --> 00:01:28.799 I am back in New Hampshire. 18 00:01:29.359 --> 00:01:31.319 This is this is the blog. I'll just take a 19 00:01:31.319 --> 00:01:34.640 little jag here. This is the blog this week from 20 00:01:34.719 --> 00:01:38.120 Charles Lear. He is going to create a blog next 21 00:01:38.159 --> 00:01:42.200 week and dedicated to Chris O'Brien a story about him. 22 00:01:42.480 --> 00:01:46.480 So blog this week mat a material mystery or misinformation. 23 00:01:46.799 --> 00:01:53.159 Very interesting blog from Charles this week and uh so anyway, Uh, yeah, Chris, Chris. 24 00:01:53.239 --> 00:01:55.480 Unfortunately he is gone, and last time I saw him 25 00:01:55.560 --> 00:02:00.239 was out in Sedona, where he was actually where the 26 00:02:00.280 --> 00:02:04.840 incident happened, and so a long time researcher. He did 27 00:02:04.879 --> 00:02:09.840 a wonderful job with especially with the cattle mutilations. That's 28 00:02:09.840 --> 00:02:12.360 what he was really known a lot for. This is 29 00:02:12.400 --> 00:02:16.879 the last time that I had, no this is the 30 00:02:16.960 --> 00:02:20.080 last time we did a show in person. He came 31 00:02:20.120 --> 00:02:23.520 and stayed with me for a week at my guest 32 00:02:23.560 --> 00:02:24.919 house in Maine. 33 00:02:25.599 --> 00:02:30.879 Anyway, I do there's a couple of the interesting chat rooms. 34 00:02:31.360 --> 00:02:35.120 There's a Facebook, a closed Facebook page, an almost animal 35 00:02:36.960 --> 00:02:39.199 and you know, of course we do have a loose 36 00:02:39.280 --> 00:02:45.159 network of if you can call it that, of of investigators. 37 00:02:44.960 --> 00:02:46.560 There's not many. 38 00:02:47.879 --> 00:02:52.439 Anyway, Uh that was That was Chris, And I'm not 39 00:02:52.479 --> 00:02:53.800 sure if this is working right. 40 00:02:53.879 --> 00:02:57.479 I'm sorry. I'm having a little bit of technical trouble. 41 00:02:57.719 --> 00:03:01.000 I do have a really great commutant computer down in 42 00:03:01.199 --> 00:03:04.199 South Carolina, but I'm up in New Hampshire and I 43 00:03:04.240 --> 00:03:06.439 could not bring that on the airplane. It's a it's 44 00:03:06.439 --> 00:03:09.719 a big basically gaming computer, so I couldn't bring that 45 00:03:09.800 --> 00:03:12.719 on the plane. But anyway, we'll suffice here for about 46 00:03:12.759 --> 00:03:15.280 a month and then I'm heading back down there. But 47 00:03:15.639 --> 00:03:20.039 I want to bring in our guests. Ross, welcome to 48 00:03:20.080 --> 00:03:20.479 the show. 49 00:03:21.520 --> 00:03:24.319 Hey, Martin, great to be here. Yea, I'm sorry about 50 00:03:24.360 --> 00:03:26.800 your friend. I was reading about his passing as well, 51 00:03:27.280 --> 00:03:30.319 and yeah, it seems like he had a lot that 52 00:03:30.400 --> 00:03:34.439 he contributed to the field, So I thank you for 53 00:03:34.439 --> 00:03:35.039 sharing all that. 54 00:03:36.280 --> 00:03:39.479 Yes, yeah, yep, Chris, Chris did give a lot to 55 00:03:40.159 --> 00:03:43.680 all of us and left a lot for the future. 56 00:03:45.719 --> 00:03:46.159 Research. 57 00:03:46.560 --> 00:03:51.159 But anyway, you look like you're somewhere sunny or warm 58 00:03:51.759 --> 00:03:54.120 on the West coast. I'm assuming, and yeah, I'm on 59 00:03:54.120 --> 00:03:57.240 the West coast now. It was Yeah, what great fun 60 00:03:57.280 --> 00:03:58.039 it was, wasn't it. 61 00:03:59.560 --> 00:04:02.479 Yeah? What a day? Yeah? Yeah, that was something else, 62 00:04:02.560 --> 00:04:05.639 you know. And you were a good uh person to 63 00:04:05.719 --> 00:04:07.719 hang out with pretty much all night and day uh 64 00:04:08.039 --> 00:04:10.639 in line and it was an adventure, it wasn't it. 65 00:04:10.639 --> 00:04:11.080 It was? 66 00:04:11.159 --> 00:04:14.879 It was ye And yeah, we we tried to stop 67 00:04:14.919 --> 00:04:16.360 those people from cutting and all that. 68 00:04:16.879 --> 00:04:18.279 If you remember all that stuff. 69 00:04:18.639 --> 00:04:20.399 Yeah, I'm not gonna name any names, but you can 70 00:04:20.480 --> 00:04:23.560 if you want. But yeah, I know it's as maybe 71 00:04:23.560 --> 00:04:26.759 you've told your your wonderful audience here before that you 72 00:04:26.959 --> 00:04:29.800 were very close at the previous hearing with another than 73 00:04:29.839 --> 00:04:32.759 you know, grushing his testimony. But you were just one 74 00:04:32.759 --> 00:04:35.160 person off for making it into the main room. And 75 00:04:35.199 --> 00:04:37.360 you had a you had a beautiful mission. I mean 76 00:04:37.399 --> 00:04:39.879 you you've, I guess, you have the longest running podcasts 77 00:04:39.920 --> 00:04:42.160 on this subject, and you've been dedicated to this, you know, 78 00:04:42.279 --> 00:04:46.040 for so many decades. And and I was so I mean, 79 00:04:46.079 --> 00:04:47.600 I was so you know, I was the first person 80 00:04:47.639 --> 00:04:50.240 in line because I wanted to get in just as badly, 81 00:04:50.240 --> 00:04:52.879 and so I felt for you. And and the injustice 82 00:04:52.920 --> 00:04:55.920 of it was did not go unnoticed by every single 83 00:04:56.360 --> 00:04:58.839 offense to this person, but every single person that matters. Right. 84 00:04:58.920 --> 00:05:01.959 So it's funny because my dear friend Steve Bassett, I 85 00:05:02.120 --> 00:05:03.879 was hoping to maybe save him as bottom line, because 86 00:05:03.879 --> 00:05:06.519 he's he's a slightly older gentleman who's also been at 87 00:05:06.560 --> 00:05:09.040 it his whole life, right, you know, the first lobbyist 88 00:05:09.120 --> 00:05:11.839 for disclosure, a collaborator and friend of mine. So I 89 00:05:11.839 --> 00:05:13.279 was like, oh, man, I don't want him to him 90 00:05:13.319 --> 00:05:15.560 to have to stand outside in the cold all night. 91 00:05:15.639 --> 00:05:17.959 I mean, he's like, you know, let's not talk about 92 00:05:17.959 --> 00:05:19.560 his age, but he's old enough that he shouldn't have 93 00:05:19.560 --> 00:05:21.160 to do it. But when I told him I was 94 00:05:21.160 --> 00:05:22.759 trying to save him, spies like no, no, no, you 95 00:05:22.800 --> 00:05:25.399 don't understand how this works. And someone he said that 96 00:05:25.480 --> 00:05:28.240 someone tried to like help him up in a previous hearing, 97 00:05:28.279 --> 00:05:30.399 and it and it and and it's just a major 98 00:05:30.439 --> 00:05:33.439 faux pas, as you realize, and you weren't gonna let 99 00:05:33.439 --> 00:05:35.560 it happen. I was trying not to let it happen, 100 00:05:35.839 --> 00:05:39.480 but it almost happened into a total meltdown at the end. 101 00:05:39.800 --> 00:05:42.279 Was we were walking in Not not any of our faults, 102 00:05:42.279 --> 00:05:45.120 of course, but it was. Yeah, the interesting uh cast 103 00:05:45.120 --> 00:05:47.560 of characters showing up. You know. I was talking to 104 00:05:47.720 --> 00:05:50.480 various you know people who would work you know, worked 105 00:05:50.480 --> 00:05:54.480 at the Rayburn you know house Congress building, and every 106 00:05:54.519 --> 00:05:57.560 single one of them said, we've never seen anything even 107 00:05:57.600 --> 00:06:01.560 like slightly like this, And people waiting all night, people 108 00:06:01.680 --> 00:06:03.800 like it was like a red carpet, you know, down 109 00:06:03.839 --> 00:06:07.480 the the corridor with both Congress people and all the 110 00:06:07.560 --> 00:06:11.439 you know, the eufology personalities and experts. So yeah, it was. 111 00:06:11.439 --> 00:06:13.800 It was a wonderful time. I'm glad. I'm so grateful 112 00:06:13.839 --> 00:06:14.480 to have met you there. 113 00:06:15.160 --> 00:06:17.399 Now, now, did you get a chance to speak with 114 00:06:17.720 --> 00:06:20.399 You must have spoken with Sydney right from Yale. 115 00:06:21.399 --> 00:06:22.519 Oh yeah, that's right. 116 00:06:23.959 --> 00:06:24.480 Alumni. 117 00:06:24.879 --> 00:06:27.879 Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right. I have her cart. You know, 118 00:06:28.120 --> 00:06:30.000 things are moving so fast I have I have to 119 00:06:30.000 --> 00:06:32.959 follow up with her. She was really cool. Yeah, she 120 00:06:33.120 --> 00:06:37.600 was one of the local organizers of my friend She Hands, 121 00:06:37.639 --> 00:06:41.360 you know, Daniel she Hen's first historic teaching, but this time, 122 00:06:41.399 --> 00:06:44.800 you know, teaching for disclosure and the nature of reality 123 00:06:44.839 --> 00:06:48.120 based on uthology and such, and so I really wanted 124 00:06:48.120 --> 00:06:49.800 to go there and I was hoping maybe to have 125 00:06:49.839 --> 00:06:52.120 an opportunity to to a little speaking or at least 126 00:06:52.120 --> 00:06:55.639 just participate, because yeah, that's where I went undergrad. And 127 00:06:55.639 --> 00:06:58.199 it was such a cool synchronicity to see she Hands, 128 00:06:58.199 --> 00:07:01.920 someone I look up to so much, bringing this topic there, 129 00:07:01.959 --> 00:07:03.720 and then you know, meeting this nice young lady who's 130 00:07:03.720 --> 00:07:06.879 also a screenwriter like myself. I also ran like the 131 00:07:06.879 --> 00:07:09.800 film production organization when I was there back in the day, 132 00:07:09.839 --> 00:07:12.639 and so yeah, I feel old, but it was really 133 00:07:12.639 --> 00:07:14.040 cool meeting her. She's a nice girl. 134 00:07:14.639 --> 00:07:14.879 Yeah. 135 00:07:14.959 --> 00:07:19.000 Yeah, yeah, so you have this, I'd like this to 136 00:07:19.360 --> 00:07:21.000 do your own disclosure. 137 00:07:22.040 --> 00:07:22.560 That's great. 138 00:07:22.959 --> 00:07:25.839 That's kind of everyone's looking for the you know, di 139 00:07:26.360 --> 00:07:28.920 y whatever it is, do your own you know, you 140 00:07:29.000 --> 00:07:30.079 find things on YouTube. 141 00:07:30.079 --> 00:07:32.439 But disclosure, that's an interesting take. 142 00:07:32.839 --> 00:07:36.759 So it sounds like, you know, kind of working with 143 00:07:36.800 --> 00:07:40.560 the grassroots obviously, is what you seem to be talking about. 144 00:07:40.959 --> 00:07:44.079 And what what is your whole idea on that? 145 00:07:44.759 --> 00:07:47.120 Oh well, thanks for asking. Yeah, so, Di, I why disclosure. 146 00:07:47.639 --> 00:07:49.600 Hopefully were going to have you on my podcast of 147 00:07:49.600 --> 00:07:51.560 that title, which is relatively new, but we thought, you know, 148 00:07:51.600 --> 00:07:54.600 amazing people like Steve Bassett, Shean's going to be on there, 149 00:07:55.000 --> 00:07:57.360 Chris Bledsoe. So it's yeah, it's it's a new project, 150 00:07:57.360 --> 00:07:59.439 not like yours. It's like a legendary establishment, but a 151 00:07:59.439 --> 00:08:01.680 new new thing. But yeah, so it's one part of 152 00:08:01.680 --> 00:08:05.000 that whole concept, right. Uh, let me first explain it 153 00:08:05.040 --> 00:08:07.720 by you know, I actively, you know, help and work 154 00:08:08.160 --> 00:08:10.480 in the political disclosure world, as you know, you know 155 00:08:10.519 --> 00:08:12.079 from me kind of hanging out there with you throughout 156 00:08:12.120 --> 00:08:15.560 the night and day. So I do believe in traditional 157 00:08:16.920 --> 00:08:19.839 you know, political disclosure, but only in the sense that 158 00:08:19.920 --> 00:08:23.439 it is, you know, I do not see us getting 159 00:08:25.040 --> 00:08:27.319 evidence or at least not compelling evidence and certainly not 160 00:08:27.519 --> 00:08:30.800 proof of what's going on that way. I mean, I'm 161 00:08:30.800 --> 00:08:32.799 happy to be surprised if if something, you know, I 162 00:08:32.799 --> 00:08:35.399 think something catastrophic would have to go down in terms 163 00:08:35.480 --> 00:08:37.960 of us getting the goods this way, but it is 164 00:08:38.039 --> 00:08:41.240 an essential process to me of getting the goods to 165 00:08:41.440 --> 00:08:45.720 have this let's say, marketing thing. This this this political 166 00:08:45.759 --> 00:08:49.279 theater by bringing this into Congress and having it be 167 00:08:49.360 --> 00:08:51.399 it's more than theater, obviously, it's marketing though in a 168 00:08:51.440 --> 00:08:53.679 in a very in a very good sense of the word, 169 00:08:53.759 --> 00:08:56.679 in that it it validates and expands this idea to 170 00:08:56.720 --> 00:08:59.399 the masses. And this, this hearing more than ever, you know, 171 00:08:59.720 --> 00:09:01.679 was the first time I believe that that this was 172 00:09:01.720 --> 00:09:04.879 covered on every single mainstream platform you know, news and 173 00:09:04.960 --> 00:09:07.960 cable news and you know print news and whatever you 174 00:09:08.039 --> 00:09:10.639 might want to watch at any given time. So that's 175 00:09:10.679 --> 00:09:16.399 great and for me, that's that's wonderful marketing and you know, 176 00:09:17.000 --> 00:09:20.159 validation in terms of doing what I call di y disclosure, 177 00:09:20.200 --> 00:09:22.600 which in my view is the only way we're actually 178 00:09:22.639 --> 00:09:25.440 gonna find out what this really is, you know, So 179 00:09:25.559 --> 00:09:28.559 di I Y disclosure. In one sense, it's kind of 180 00:09:28.559 --> 00:09:30.480 the experiencer side, which you know it's supposed to talk 181 00:09:30.480 --> 00:09:32.600 about in political disclosure. They just want the nuts and bolts. 182 00:09:32.600 --> 00:09:34.679 Still don't want to scare people too much yet, But 183 00:09:35.000 --> 00:09:36.840 I'm an experiencer, which I can give you the whole 184 00:09:37.720 --> 00:09:40.600 wild the adventure I've had becoming one. So di i 185 00:09:40.679 --> 00:09:45.240 y disclosure in one sense is self revelation, right, consciousness 186 00:09:45.240 --> 00:09:47.919 being sort of in subjectivity, being sort of the root 187 00:09:47.960 --> 00:09:49.879 of what we have to work with, you know, primarily, 188 00:09:51.000 --> 00:09:53.360 but also di y disclosure in terms of, like you said, 189 00:09:53.440 --> 00:09:59.399 this sort of grassroots activism and also grassroots collaborative projects 190 00:09:59.679 --> 00:10:03.639 SCIENTI big projects to to understand or experiences and video 191 00:10:03.759 --> 00:10:07.360 them and you know, scientifically analyze them. So I think 192 00:10:07.399 --> 00:10:10.240 that's that's the only way that we can get the 193 00:10:10.279 --> 00:10:12.480 real disclosure, and that's why it's kind of my main. 194 00:10:12.360 --> 00:10:17.159 Focus right right, excellent, So I just I forgot to 195 00:10:17.200 --> 00:10:20.200 mention this for those of us in the United States, 196 00:10:20.440 --> 00:10:24.360 we have a holiday, a great holiday coming up, and nope, 197 00:10:24.600 --> 00:10:27.039 can't talk about politics at the table this year. 198 00:10:28.799 --> 00:10:30.679 Anyway, Happy Thanksgiving to. 199 00:10:31.519 --> 00:10:35.279 All of all of you in the US or wherever 200 00:10:35.320 --> 00:10:38.279 you are that you know there are people like Chris 201 00:10:38.399 --> 00:10:43.639 Leado celebrates Thanksgiving over and Portugal like that. So anyway, 202 00:10:43.919 --> 00:10:46.799 happy Thanksgiving to you all, and it's good to see 203 00:10:46.799 --> 00:10:52.320 you all in chat everyone. But yeah, so, yeah, I wondered, 204 00:10:53.559 --> 00:10:58.480 had you say you're an experiencer yourself? And you know, 205 00:10:58.519 --> 00:11:01.840 there's there was a person I had on my show 206 00:11:02.000 --> 00:11:06.919 last week there was some He's a very interesting guy, 207 00:11:07.240 --> 00:11:13.679 Charlie Charlie Parrish. He's he's from England, but he lives 208 00:11:13.720 --> 00:11:17.679 in out your Way and he is also an experiencer, 209 00:11:18.000 --> 00:11:21.320 but he seems to be a little bit skeptical about UFOs. 210 00:11:21.360 --> 00:11:25.039 It's kind of a strange mix. So it's almost like 211 00:11:25.080 --> 00:11:28.039 you got to have one to have the other. But anyway, 212 00:11:28.679 --> 00:11:30.960 so what are your what are your thoughts on that? 213 00:11:31.000 --> 00:11:37.399 I mean, do you think these experiences are experiencing actually 214 00:11:37.840 --> 00:11:43.320 from extraterrestrial or interdimensional or is it a big question mark? 215 00:11:44.279 --> 00:11:47.200 Yeah, well, in terms of where they're from, as far 216 00:11:47.200 --> 00:11:49.480 as I've had access to information, both in terms of 217 00:11:49.519 --> 00:11:52.759 DIY self revelation and you know, talking to others who 218 00:11:52.799 --> 00:11:55.320 have you know, said they've done, you know, various things 219 00:11:55.360 --> 00:11:59.120 like this. You know, I'm hoping to hopefully be meeting 220 00:11:59.120 --> 00:12:02.399 with carl Nell at an event coming up soon because 221 00:12:02.440 --> 00:12:05.720 he's someone who rather famously had said just to paraphrase 222 00:12:05.759 --> 00:12:08.600 that he you know, he was very certain that they 223 00:12:08.639 --> 00:12:11.879 were off world extraterrestrial, right, And and you know, it 224 00:12:11.919 --> 00:12:14.320 always gets me thinking like, how how could you possibly 225 00:12:14.480 --> 00:12:17.720 know that? Right? You how can you prove that? It 226 00:12:17.720 --> 00:12:20.039 would be pretty cool. I mean, if it were to 227 00:12:20.120 --> 00:12:22.159 be proven for real, like in a way where it's 228 00:12:22.200 --> 00:12:24.240 not just oh it seemed like this or my perception 229 00:12:24.399 --> 00:12:26.919 was this, it's going to be a grand adventure because 230 00:12:26.919 --> 00:12:28.960 like how I mean, you'd have to be able to 231 00:12:29.919 --> 00:12:36.159 bee said being traveling to another world, and you'd have 232 00:12:36.200 --> 00:12:38.879 to go with that being to the other world and 233 00:12:39.000 --> 00:12:42.159 somehow get some sort of proof that that being is 234 00:12:42.200 --> 00:12:44.600 from that other world, which would be you mean, sign 235 00:12:44.679 --> 00:12:46.879 me up. That sounds great unless it's you know, one 236 00:12:46.919 --> 00:12:49.960 of these humor scary things. But so far, I'm very 237 00:12:50.039 --> 00:12:54.240 fortunate to have only experienced what has been described famously 238 00:12:54.279 --> 00:12:58.240 by Chris Bledsoe as he's you know, angelic beings, right, 239 00:12:58.360 --> 00:13:00.440 So it's definitely been my experience with them. But yeah, 240 00:13:00.480 --> 00:13:03.279 the extraterrestrial thing is a great question. It's something I 241 00:13:03.320 --> 00:13:06.840 think about quite often since I have somewhat recently become 242 00:13:06.840 --> 00:13:09.279 an experience. It's only been this year, mind you, I think, well, 243 00:13:09.360 --> 00:13:11.399 I think there were elements that were happening before, but 244 00:13:11.440 --> 00:13:13.879 I did not really understand it was connected to this 245 00:13:13.919 --> 00:13:17.720 whole thing. So yeah, so the extraterrestrial thing, I'd love 246 00:13:17.759 --> 00:13:20.919 to you know, hopefully I can ask Colonel Nell, you know, 247 00:13:21.120 --> 00:13:22.559 if you're listening, you know, perps, you can hit me 248 00:13:22.639 --> 00:13:24.399 up and give me some more information. I'm very curious 249 00:13:24.399 --> 00:13:27.519 about how you're so certain about this. Obviously you have 250 00:13:27.639 --> 00:13:29.879 he has more access to all kinds of things than 251 00:13:29.919 --> 00:13:32.720 I do so far. So but yeah, so I don't know, 252 00:13:33.919 --> 00:13:37.519 it could just be all part of us, right. The 253 00:13:37.559 --> 00:13:40.120 only thing that seems pretty clear is that consciousness is 254 00:13:40.120 --> 00:13:44.759 this sort of nexus is sort of ven diagram overlapping 255 00:13:44.759 --> 00:13:48.840 cross section between all things, right, whether it's you know, 256 00:13:49.200 --> 00:13:56.360 all things subcategory as experiences right, paranormal, you know, any 257 00:13:56.360 --> 00:13:59.879 of these sort of interactions that are etheroric by nature. 258 00:14:00.279 --> 00:14:02.559 So yeah, I don't know. I would, you know, with 259 00:14:02.799 --> 00:14:04.919 Chris Bledsoe, a friend of mine, h and as sort 260 00:14:04.960 --> 00:14:07.960 of a mentor, you know, in terms of understanding various 261 00:14:07.960 --> 00:14:09.840 aspects of what it means to be an experiencer in 262 00:14:09.879 --> 00:14:12.919 his world. You know, he feels quite certain that the 263 00:14:12.960 --> 00:14:15.320 beings that I've been hanging out with often often with him, 264 00:14:15.320 --> 00:14:18.399 but not always are these angelic beings. And you've probably 265 00:14:18.480 --> 00:14:20.320 heard about you know, his his stories and read his 266 00:14:20.440 --> 00:14:23.679 amazing book which I recommend to everyone called Ufo of God. 267 00:14:23.679 --> 00:14:26.840 It's just a beautifully written book and human story with 268 00:14:26.960 --> 00:14:30.960 some very very very unusual things. You know, he seems 269 00:14:31.000 --> 00:14:33.960 to be the most validated experiencer. 270 00:14:34.039 --> 00:14:37.559 And is he going to save the day or not. 271 00:14:38.000 --> 00:14:40.919 I was trying to keep something going here with you gone, 272 00:14:41.919 --> 00:14:45.399 but you so, you froze, You froze some time ago. 273 00:14:45.879 --> 00:14:51.039 And I'm not sure what at this point exactly what 274 00:14:51.080 --> 00:14:53.039 you were talking about. You were talking about basically your 275 00:14:53.039 --> 00:14:56.879 own experiences, and you know, and and uh, you know 276 00:14:56.960 --> 00:15:01.000 what you thought, Uh, you and Chris Bledso shared a 277 00:15:01.080 --> 00:15:05.279 similar experience type of thing. And you know, I'll just 278 00:15:05.360 --> 00:15:07.039 ask about that. You know, there's a lot of people 279 00:15:07.080 --> 00:15:12.879 that think that UFOs are okay, but you know, the experience, 280 00:15:13.279 --> 00:15:16.440 the experiences or abductees or whatever, there is a bridge 281 00:15:16.480 --> 00:15:17.720 too far for a lot of people. A lot of 282 00:15:17.759 --> 00:15:20.639 people are thinking, I don't want to go there, you know, 283 00:15:20.840 --> 00:15:24.679 And so I guess I have to ask you, how 284 00:15:24.960 --> 00:15:30.200 convinced are you that something actually happened to you? And 285 00:15:30.320 --> 00:15:33.279 how would you you know, how would you share that 286 00:15:34.600 --> 00:15:37.399 comfortably share that with this audience. 287 00:15:38.039 --> 00:15:42.480 Yeah, yeah, great, great question. Yeah, it's been interesting going 288 00:15:42.519 --> 00:15:46.399 from more of the just analytical kind of side and 289 00:15:46.759 --> 00:15:49.360 looking at the history and the documents, and you know, 290 00:15:49.840 --> 00:15:53.159 I became increasingly curious about the experiences obviously, but it 291 00:15:53.240 --> 00:15:55.720 wasn't Yeah, and then I had this sort of opportunity 292 00:15:55.720 --> 00:15:58.759 while making one of my various documentary projects to get 293 00:15:58.759 --> 00:16:01.159 to know Chris Bledsoe and and he has quite a 294 00:16:01.200 --> 00:16:03.559 lot of experiences with him. So yeah, it's interesting to 295 00:16:03.559 --> 00:16:06.559 be in this situation now where it's like take my 296 00:16:06.600 --> 00:16:09.759 word for it, you know. So yeah, so I appreciate 297 00:16:09.799 --> 00:16:15.000 that from all angles having experienced them. And it's a 298 00:16:15.039 --> 00:16:17.559 weird thing. I mean generally, I mean I have a 299 00:16:17.600 --> 00:16:22.559 community of people online and such where it's, you know, 300 00:16:23.080 --> 00:16:25.600 we take experiences very seriously. Doesn't mean we just you know, 301 00:16:25.840 --> 00:16:31.039 assume everything to be as as described necessarily. But so yeah, 302 00:16:31.080 --> 00:16:33.480 I have enough people. But this is also a very 303 00:16:33.840 --> 00:16:37.399 somewhat controversial type of experience being with this this guy 304 00:16:37.440 --> 00:16:40.200 who's who's has you know, big fan base, but also 305 00:16:40.759 --> 00:16:45.440 some people more skeptical about about his things. So yeah, 306 00:16:45.440 --> 00:16:47.559 I mean from my point of view, from my experience 307 00:16:47.600 --> 00:16:50.559 as they call it. Of course, I feel one hundred 308 00:16:50.559 --> 00:16:54.039 percent certain that these these things really happen, and there's 309 00:16:54.039 --> 00:16:57.519 been many of them right as to what they are, though, 310 00:16:58.159 --> 00:17:00.639 you know, I don't personally jump to ill take a 311 00:17:00.679 --> 00:17:03.720 scientific type approach where I don't just you know, take 312 00:17:03.720 --> 00:17:06.599 my serious my experiences to just be you know, I 313 00:17:06.599 --> 00:17:09.240 don't take leaps in sort of logic that just because 314 00:17:09.240 --> 00:17:12.079 I saw and felt this, that therefore it's extraterrestrial, therefore 315 00:17:12.119 --> 00:17:14.160 it's angel Like, you know, I'm trying to find out 316 00:17:14.279 --> 00:17:16.319 what it is. It's just sort of the beginning of 317 00:17:16.319 --> 00:17:18.559 my research, I guess, with me as sort of the 318 00:17:18.599 --> 00:17:22.480 test subject. Interestingly enough, so there's been so many of 319 00:17:22.519 --> 00:17:25.480 these experiences. But like if the first time I got 320 00:17:25.680 --> 00:17:27.200 I was hanging out with the family, which are you know, 321 00:17:27.200 --> 00:17:30.359 they're just the nicest, greatest people in my view. There 322 00:17:30.559 --> 00:17:33.440 are many people witnessing what was going on, right, and 323 00:17:33.559 --> 00:17:36.240 you know, there were various there's various equipment, not as 324 00:17:36.279 --> 00:17:38.480 high tech as I want to bring to the table 325 00:17:38.519 --> 00:17:42.599 moving forward. But but yeah, you know, essentially I can 326 00:17:42.599 --> 00:17:45.839 give you the whole story. But in broad strokes, it 327 00:17:45.920 --> 00:17:50.759 began with seeing one orb in the sky in a 328 00:17:50.759 --> 00:17:53.000 place it would not be possible to see an orb 329 00:17:53.000 --> 00:17:55.079 in the sky. It was actually a super full moon, 330 00:17:55.200 --> 00:17:57.079 so it was and it was cloudy, and it was 331 00:17:57.160 --> 00:18:01.200 raining previously, so not optimal conditions for seeing mysterious things 332 00:18:01.200 --> 00:18:05.000 in the sky, right, But regardless, these things are quite persistent. 333 00:18:05.000 --> 00:18:07.079 And I guess with with Chris Bloodston and his family, 334 00:18:07.480 --> 00:18:09.759 and so the first thing that I noticed was this 335 00:18:10.799 --> 00:18:15.920 unusually unusual bright thing that was like right next to 336 00:18:16.359 --> 00:18:19.039 this massive bright moon. And I, you know, I'm not 337 00:18:19.079 --> 00:18:21.720 an astronomer, but I know enough about astronomy and how 338 00:18:21.759 --> 00:18:24.640 the sky works at night to be like, well, that's unusual. 339 00:18:24.799 --> 00:18:27.359 You know, there are no stars, you know, visible anywhere 340 00:18:27.400 --> 00:18:29.240 near this moon. It is way too bright, you know 341 00:18:29.319 --> 00:18:32.279 to have you know, visible stars near it. And I'm like, oh, 342 00:18:32.359 --> 00:18:34.920 I see what's going on. Something weird is happening. And 343 00:18:35.480 --> 00:18:38.279 Chris was watching my expression and kind of you know, 344 00:18:38.319 --> 00:18:42.200 he's analyzing sort of the revelations I was having, the 345 00:18:42.240 --> 00:18:44.039 experience I was having, and so he gave me this 346 00:18:44.039 --> 00:18:46.839 this pretty you know, high tech little scope night vision 347 00:18:46.880 --> 00:18:48.359 type thing, and all of a sudden, I was able 348 00:18:48.440 --> 00:18:51.720 to see this object very clearly and recorded it, you know, 349 00:18:51.759 --> 00:18:55.839 for what it's worth and and it was, you know, 350 00:18:56.079 --> 00:18:57.720 I could immediately see it was not a star. It 351 00:18:57.759 --> 00:19:01.160 was it was a spherical orb. It had at a 352 00:19:01.200 --> 00:19:04.920 little blue kind of pulsing quantum rhythmic thing and a 353 00:19:04.920 --> 00:19:09.880 little red pulsing quantum rhythmic thing. And the sensation I 354 00:19:09.920 --> 00:19:12.359 had was that it noticed that I was recognizing it 355 00:19:12.359 --> 00:19:14.880 for what it was, and then it decided it's as 356 00:19:14.920 --> 00:19:17.119 it seemed to me maybe in an anthropomorphics sort of way, 357 00:19:18.000 --> 00:19:20.160 wanted to kind of put on a bit of a show. 358 00:19:20.200 --> 00:19:21.799 Maybe it seemed sort of whimsical how it did it. 359 00:19:22.039 --> 00:19:24.480 And so this one very bright orb next to this 360 00:19:24.640 --> 00:19:27.279 massively moon, suddenly it started drifting off a little bit. 361 00:19:27.519 --> 00:19:31.720 And then as it did it one became two, became three, 362 00:19:32.000 --> 00:19:34.440 became four. This kept happening, It kept dividing, and until 363 00:19:34.440 --> 00:19:37.319 there was about accounted that I could see about like 364 00:19:37.400 --> 00:19:40.119 sixteen different orbs in the sky from this one orb, 365 00:19:40.279 --> 00:19:42.880 all over the place. And so I saw it from 366 00:19:43.240 --> 00:19:46.359 you know, horizon to horizon and everything in between, you know, 367 00:19:46.359 --> 00:19:49.440 a very long distance, and so my mind is going like, okay, 368 00:19:49.480 --> 00:19:51.839 is this it could these be drones like and drones? 369 00:19:52.400 --> 00:19:55.400 You know, So it just was astonishing how it seemed 370 00:19:55.400 --> 00:19:58.200 to be so far away and everywhere in the sky. 371 00:19:58.559 --> 00:20:01.720 But that was then just the beginning. Then one of 372 00:20:01.720 --> 00:20:04.039 these orbs seemed to be kind of vibing with me. 373 00:20:04.079 --> 00:20:06.039 That that was a sensation I had, and it kind 374 00:20:06.039 --> 00:20:08.720 of went down to ground level and kind of like 375 00:20:08.880 --> 00:20:11.359 very kind of earnestly, was like sneaking up from behind 376 00:20:11.400 --> 00:20:14.839 this rather large tree and it was about like truck size, 377 00:20:14.880 --> 00:20:17.400 I guess, but this big version of this very three 378 00:20:17.440 --> 00:20:21.960 dimensional with pulsing stuff. So so anyway, just answer your 379 00:20:22.039 --> 00:20:24.359 question on the first chapter of this one evening right 380 00:20:25.759 --> 00:20:27.599 those things, you know, I was just trying to imagine 381 00:20:27.599 --> 00:20:30.359 how this could, I mean, I would everybody was, you know, 382 00:20:30.440 --> 00:20:33.480 completely sober, completely loocid. You know, we were having a 383 00:20:33.519 --> 00:20:36.240 nice time, like a kind of Norman Rockwell kind of wholesome, 384 00:20:36.759 --> 00:20:40.079 you know, hanging out with family kind of vibe. And 385 00:20:40.079 --> 00:20:43.000 there was nothing you know, hallucinatory about it. And especially 386 00:20:43.039 --> 00:20:45.000 with the help of these you know, scopes and things, 387 00:20:45.039 --> 00:20:46.759 to me, you know, it seemed crystal clear. And then 388 00:20:46.799 --> 00:20:49.200 when it you know, went behind the tree, it was 389 00:20:49.440 --> 00:20:50.960 you didn't need a scope to see it. You know, 390 00:20:51.079 --> 00:20:54.720 you could tell it was something very unusual. So if 391 00:20:54.759 --> 00:20:56.400 I don't want to bore you too much with every detail, 392 00:20:56.440 --> 00:20:59.400 but some of the other parts that were quite mind blowing. 393 00:20:59.519 --> 00:21:04.920 Right if you read Chris's book, he has this tendency 394 00:21:04.920 --> 00:21:08.519 to be, I guess, a conduit of healing, and I've 395 00:21:08.519 --> 00:21:12.359 been disabled. I was disabled for a good majority of 396 00:21:12.359 --> 00:21:15.359 my life. This is a big kind of fundamental aspect 397 00:21:15.400 --> 00:21:18.279 of everything I do, including my philosophy and research and such. 398 00:21:19.200 --> 00:21:22.319 But long story short, for about twenty two years in particular, 399 00:21:22.839 --> 00:21:26.559 I had the highest level of chronic lower back pain 400 00:21:27.640 --> 00:21:31.000 that was I guess documentable by medical science. So I 401 00:21:31.039 --> 00:21:33.720