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<v Speaker 1>Live from the heart of the nation's capital, this is

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<v Speaker 1>a Jim Acosta Show special report.

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<v Speaker 2>All right. Hey, everybody. Welcome to the Jim Acosta Show.

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<v Speaker 2>It's another day that ends in Y and Donald Trump

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<v Speaker 2>creating chaos on the world stage. Trump apparently posted an

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<v Speaker 2>AI video of an attack on Karg Island in the

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<v Speaker 2>war with Iran when, in fact, that did not happen. Meanwhile,

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<v Speaker 2>Donald Trump is claiming that he is seizing the oil

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<v Speaker 2>in Venezuela as part of a deal that will not

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<v Speaker 2>help American consumers anytime soon. And we should mention this

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<v Speaker 2>We're using it more and more every day. But let's

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<v Speaker 2>discuss all of this with My friend John Harwood, veteran D.C.

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<v Speaker 2>correspondent of CNN, CNBC, now with Zateo. John, great to

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<v Speaker 2>see you.

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<v Speaker 3>Thanks for having me.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a hell of a wind up there. Thanks for

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<v Speaker 2>your patience. I appreciate it. But good to see you. And,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I think we should there's a lot to

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<v Speaker 2>dive into. I think we should dive into the Iran stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>You and I have talked about this before. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>Trump's declining cognitive state. You know, now he's posting AI

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<v Speaker 2>images of an attack on Karg Island, something that did

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<v Speaker 2>not occur. It's an AI video, but it gets into

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<v Speaker 2>sort of the delusional state that he is in frequently

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<v Speaker 2>these days. What do you make of that? And the

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<v Speaker 2>fact that, I mean, some of this is starting to

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<v Speaker 2>jolt the markets a little bit this week.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm surprised it hasn't jolted the markets more.

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<v Speaker 4>Look, we've got a president who is not mentally well,

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<v Speaker 4>who is not in control of his emotions. who is

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<v Speaker 4>not in touch with reality and not interested or capable

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<v Speaker 4>of doing the job as president.

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<v Speaker 3>And so, I.

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<v Speaker 4>Mean, it's unbelievably crazy for a president who's directing, acting

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<v Speaker 4>as commander in chief in a war in the Middle

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<v Speaker 4>East to post this inflammatory video, which is like a

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<v Speaker 4>video game, which is how he sees a lot of

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<v Speaker 4>this stuff. It's as crazy as him posting Canadian geese

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<v Speaker 4>with his own hair on top of it when he's

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<v Speaker 4>skirmishing with Canada over trade or the name of Lake Ontario,

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<v Speaker 4>which is, of course, Lake Ontario, but he's trying to

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<v Speaker 4>create some other world for people to occupy. It's troubling.

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<v Speaker 3>And, you know, sadly, we've kind of gotten used to it.

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<v Speaker 4>And I guess that's why the markets have mostly shrugged

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<v Speaker 4>at the increasing lunacy of what's coming out of Donald.

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<v Speaker 3>Trump's White House.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's kind of a madness of King George moment

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<v Speaker 2>for the 21st century. And the world just says, well,

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<v Speaker 2>we're aware that the king is mad and we just

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<v Speaker 2>operate around that reality, that he's not in touch with reality.

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<v Speaker 2>And you mentioned the Google thing, which I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I was obsessed with this all weekend. I still cannot

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<v Speaker 2>believe that Google would bend the knee and change Google

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<v Speaker 2>Maps from Lake Ontario to Lake America. I mean, there

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<v Speaker 2>it is right there. I mean, that's just a disgraceful thing.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's not really in step with where big media

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<v Speaker 2>is moving. I sort of feel like, you know, that

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<v Speaker 2>folks in our industry are starting to show slightly more

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<v Speaker 2>backbone than maybe had been shown a year ago this time.

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<v Speaker 2>But Google, I guess, sort of like the They'll do

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<v Speaker 2>anything to suck up to Donald Trump these days.

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, it's easier to stand up to him than

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<v Speaker 4>it's ever been because his popularity has eroded so much.

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<v Speaker 4>But there are some people who are treating this, some

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<v Speaker 4>businesses like Google in this case, that are treating it

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<v Speaker 4>in a very transactional way and fearing that if they

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<v Speaker 4>tweak him, even in a minor way, you know, sort

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<v Speaker 4>of like Kristen Welker said something about Trump yesterday that

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<v Speaker 4>was completely anodyne.

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<v Speaker 3>And Trump went off on her.

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<v Speaker 4>He said he'd had mixed results within his endorsements, which

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<v Speaker 4>is true. And so they're thinking like he could mess

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<v Speaker 4>with us, so we're just not going to deal with it.

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<v Speaker 3>And I think that the.

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<v Speaker 4>Stakes for the country are, unfortunately, he's going to be

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<v Speaker 4>president for two more years, but is the extent to

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<v Speaker 4>which the rest of the world can somehow understand that

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<v Speaker 4>this is a crazy guy and that's not the entire country.

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<v Speaker 4>Of course, that begs the question of why did the

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<v Speaker 3>Time, uh, in the last 10 years. And, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>there's no, there's no good answer to that really.

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<v Speaker 2>Right. And there's also, I mean, this other reality that

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<v Speaker 2>he's trying to conjure up when it comes to Venezuela,

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<v Speaker 2>they announced this big, uh, you know, oil seizure deal

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<v Speaker 2>over the weekend. He, you know, he talked about the, uh,

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<v Speaker 2>highly respected Delcy Rodriguez, who was, who was Maduro's number

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<v Speaker 2>two and is still, you know, part of a, an

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<v Speaker 2>authoritarian government, I guess, democracy and freedoms out the window, uh,

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<v Speaker 2>And they're just going to do a business with these folks.

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<v Speaker 2>But Trump is acting as though, and there's a true

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<v Speaker 2>social post on this, he's acting as though this is

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<v Speaker 2>going to lower gas prices for people next week. And

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<v Speaker 2>you know, from your time covering business, John, that's just

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<v Speaker 2>not the case.

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<v Speaker 4>No, it's not the case. And Donald Trump does not

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<v Speaker 4>care about democracy and freedom. He cares about Donald Trump.

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<v Speaker 4>He cares about his own aggrandizement financially and psychically. So

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<v Speaker 4>Venezuela is a country that He removed what had been

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<v Speaker 4>portrayed as a bad guy, what was a bad guy,

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<v Speaker 4>replaced it with someone not with a new democratic regime,

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<v Speaker 4>but a more compliant member of the old regime. And

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<v Speaker 4>now Xi is playing ball with him. And that's what

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<v Speaker 4>he likes. The same as with Iran. You know, he's

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<v Speaker 4>been very erratic on Iran, saying when the war started,

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<v Speaker 4>Iranian people, rise up.

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<v Speaker 3>We're behind you.

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<v Speaker 4>We want you to take over your government. And then,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, when the hardline government gets in and they

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<v Speaker 4>start talking to him, he's like, wow, they're being so

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<v Speaker 4>reasonable now.

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<v Speaker 3>We can cut a deal.

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<v Speaker 4>And of course, then we've seen that the deals that

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<v Speaker 4>he's cut with them are completely worthless. But this is

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<v Speaker 4>a president who is not grounded in rationality and reality

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<v Speaker 4>and the whole world's paying a.

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<v Speaker 3>Price for it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, he just said a few moments ago,

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<v Speaker 2>we're doing a great, the U.S. is doing a great

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<v Speaker 2>job with Iran. I think we could play a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit of that. I mean, again, I guess he's reading

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<v Speaker 2>headlines that Natalie Harp prints up and sends to him.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll see what happens.

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<v Speaker 1>But we have the Strait of Hormuz in extremely good shape.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, we're taking over many, many ships that got

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<v Speaker 1>through last night, as you know, with the Navy's assistance.

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<v Speaker 1>And we've been averaging 30 ships a night.

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<v Speaker 3>That's a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>And a lot of oil is coming out.

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<v Speaker 1>That's why you haven't seen the price of oil go

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<v Speaker 1>like they thought it might have to go.

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<v Speaker 3>And the main thing, when I say it all, I.

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<v Speaker 1>Could go on for an hour about what a great

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<v Speaker 1>job we've done. We've done a great job with Venezuela.

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<v Speaker 1>We've done a great job with Iran. Iran will never

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<v Speaker 1>have a nuclear weapon.

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<v Speaker 2>See, that's what— Yeah, John, nobody thinks he's done a

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<v Speaker 2>great job with Iran. Republicans are running away from this.

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<v Speaker 2>And he sounds as though he thinks $ 4 a gallon

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<v Speaker 2>is OK, that that's acceptable.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, of course, it's acceptable to him. He's made billions

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<v Speaker 4>of dollars in this second term. I mean, again, Donald

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<v Speaker 4>Trump is concerned not about Americans. Americans were a tool.

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<v Speaker 4>American voters were a tool. The MAGA movement was a

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<v Speaker 4>tool for him to get to the White House and

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<v Speaker 4>enrich himself.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's what he's doing.

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<v Speaker 4>Um, so the, the, the struggles of people, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>Donald Trump doesn't buy gas.

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<v Speaker 3>Donald Trump, uh, doesn't drive anywhere except a golf cart.

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<v Speaker 4>Um, and he, he is simply not in tune or

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<v Speaker 4>in any kind of sympathy with what people are going through. He,

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<v Speaker 4>he does what he needs to do to try to

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<v Speaker 4>sustain his power. It's diminishing and he knows that. Um,

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<v Speaker 4>but he's going to get what he can.

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<v Speaker 5>While he can.

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<v Speaker 2>Right. And you were just telling me right before we

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<v Speaker 2>got started here, just one of the most incredibly tone

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<v Speaker 2>deaf things he has said in recent weeks. He was

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<v Speaker 2>talking about people who are opposed to data centers. And

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<v Speaker 2>I just want to make sure I get the wording

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<v Speaker 2>correctly here. It is it's kind of astonishing. He said

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<v Speaker 2>that anybody who opposes a data center, you know, is

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<v Speaker 2>acting as though they want to end up being backwards

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<v Speaker 2>and poor. That's pretty astonishing stuff because, John, as you know,

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<v Speaker 2>many of the people in these ruby red districts are

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<v Speaker 2>in these red states that may not stay red for

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<v Speaker 2>very long. People are hopping mad over these data centers.

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<v Speaker 5>Right.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, again, he doesn't care about that. Here's what he

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<v Speaker 4>cares about. Data centers are propping up the broader economy

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<v Speaker 4>right now. They're propping up the stock market. That's why

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<v Speaker 4>returns have been very good. Corporations have been doing well.

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<v Speaker 4>And The impact on average Americans is not a concern

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<v Speaker 4>to him. He does keep score in the stock market,

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<v Speaker 4>and he recognizes that's a way to make money. He

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<v Speaker 4>trades stocks while president. He's trading stocks in sectors affected

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<v Speaker 4>by the wars that he started and other actions that

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<v Speaker 4>he's taken.

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<v Speaker 3>And so, you know, it's sort of tough luck.

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<v Speaker 4>And he said in this post today, if you want

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<v Speaker 4>to be rich and prosperous, let big data reign. And

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<v Speaker 4>that is, to say the least, not exactly what the

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<v Speaker 4>American people are feeling right now.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and it almost sounds... like one of these signals

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<v Speaker 2>that he sends to the people on Truth Social or

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<v Speaker 2>his buddies on Wall Street. Now's your time to go

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<v Speaker 2>buy some stock. So I guess anything connected to a

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<v Speaker 2>data center, I guess what he's trying to say is

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<v Speaker 2>go buy some of that stock, because that's what I'm doing.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what I'm telling my people to do right now.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, you know, I wonder, I don't know if he

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<v Speaker 4>started selling the early access to his posts, but if

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<v Speaker 4>he has, you can be sure that data centers saw

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<v Speaker 4>that post before anybody else and paid handsomely for it.

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<v Speaker 2>And they paid handsomely for it. And it does raise

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<v Speaker 2>that question about what's going on. And you were telling

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<v Speaker 2>me that you've been talking with Senator Sherrod Brown of Ohio.

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<v Speaker 2>And I mean, this is, you know, you and I

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<v Speaker 2>have been covering politics a long time, you a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit longer than me. I'm sure you and I have

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<v Speaker 2>probably both thought that a lot of these states were

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<v Speaker 2>going to be red for a while, Ohio being one

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<v Speaker 2>of them. Ohio is one of the really more interesting

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<v Speaker 2>political stories this cycle because it is trending Democratic. And

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<v Speaker 2>it's mainly because it's becoming anti-Trump in a lot of places.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, and that's a broader pattern.

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<v Speaker 4>The strange thing, Jim, is you cover this stuff long

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<v Speaker 4>enough as I have. You can see states trending one way.

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<v Speaker 4>within the course of a few election cycles and trend

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<v Speaker 4>the other way. I remember, this is a little off

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<v Speaker 4>the point, but I remember in 2000, Democrats made a

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<v Speaker 3>It had been seen as out of reach. And Al

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<v Speaker 3>Gore spent a lot of money.

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<v Speaker 4>I think he actually drew more people intending to vote for.

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<v Speaker 2>Bush did.

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<v Speaker 4>But the point was, it was moving in a Democratic direction.

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<v Speaker 4>More non-Cuban Hispanics were moving in, especially Puerto Ricans. The

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<v Speaker 4>And then it sort of switched back the other way. Now,

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<v Speaker 4>Ohio was always a swing battleground state, but Bill Clinton

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<v Speaker 4>of a sudden, accelerated by Trump and his appeal to

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<v Speaker 3>Then it came to be seen as being out of reach.

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<v Speaker 4>But Sherrod Brown won in 2006 when the state was

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<v Speaker 4>moving away from Democrats because you had conditions like today,

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<v Speaker 3>And it looks like, you know, a bad cycle, a

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<v Speaker 3>bad landscape in.

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<v Speaker 4>A particular year can overcome some of those trends.

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<v Speaker 3>We'll see beyond 2026 whether.

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<v Speaker 4>Ohio is becoming more competitive in a secular way, but

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<v Speaker 4>it certainly is today. And the polls show Sherrod Brown

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<v Speaker 4>with an eight-point lead, which is astounding when you think

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<v Speaker 4>that Trump won the state by, I don't know, 11 points,

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<v Speaker 4>and Sherrod Brown lost by three and a half points.

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<v Speaker 4>So he ran eight points better than Kamala Harris did,

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<v Speaker 3>It looks like it's going to be enough this time.

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<v Speaker 2>Right. Ohio used to be the ultimate bellwether state. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>and it stopped being that way. But the bell is ringing,

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<v Speaker 2>I think. It seems to be this cycle. And one

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<v Speaker 2>of the things I want to get to, John, before

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<v Speaker 2>we go, and let's spend a little time talking about this.

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<v Speaker 2>You wrote a piece for Zateo on McCarthyism, how it

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<v Speaker 2>touched your family at one point, and what it means

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<v Speaker 2>broadly to for the country today. And I was reading

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<v Speaker 2>a New Yorker piece about Roy Cohn. And I think

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<v Speaker 2>Roy Cohn, who is, you know, who saw Donald Trump as,

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<v Speaker 2>as like, you know, an acolyte or something back in

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<v Speaker 2>the cutthroat maniacal person that he is. He, I think

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<v Speaker 2>he worked for McCarthy or something like that. So there,

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<v Speaker 2>I know there's all these parallels, but talk about, let's

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<v Speaker 2>talk about McCarthyism and, and how it matters today. Cause

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's such an important point.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, We're accustomed to thinking of everything as unprecedented and

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<v Speaker 4>a new phenomenon. But there's a whole lot of overlap

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<v Speaker 4>with history that we can just see these cycles recurring again.

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<v Speaker 4>And so in the mid 1950s, after World War II

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<v Speaker 4>and the United States was undertaking the Cold War with

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<v Speaker 4>the Soviet Union, Joe McCarthy started attacking what he said

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<v Speaker 4>were communists all over the U.S.

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<v Speaker 3>Government, all over the State Department in a very reckless way.

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<v Speaker 4>That was destroying lives and careers of a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>It was in the government as well.

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<v Speaker 4>And it even extended down to local communities and prosecutors.

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<v Speaker 4>So my dad was a young reporter with the Louisville

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<v Speaker 4>newspaper and one of his colleagues decided this was a

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<v Speaker 4>few months after Brown v. Board struck down, the Supreme

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<v Speaker 4>Court struck down school segregation, civil rights movement was growing.

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<v Speaker 4>and he thought that it was wrong that neighborhoods in

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<v Speaker 4>Louisville were segregated by race. So he acted as a

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<v Speaker 4>straw buyer for a Black family, bought a house, they

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<v Speaker 4>at the house, and the local district attorney set out

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<v Speaker 4>to demonstrate that it was communists behind this, rather than

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<v Speaker 4>white racists behind it. And he had a grand jury

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<v Speaker 4>that was looking into this, and he called my dad

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<v Speaker 4>he had with somebody who was observing the trial and

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<v Speaker 3>Straw purchaser, who was a self-proclaimed Marxist.

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<v Speaker 4>Dad refused to cooperate, and it ended up with dad

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<v Speaker 4>got excused. The prosecutor dismissed him, but his colleague, the journalist,

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<v Speaker 4>got a 40-year sentence, later thrown out And when he

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<v Speaker 4>walked out of the court, he said, as we all know,

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<v Speaker 4>the red baiting and anti-communism is just a smokescreen for

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<v Speaker 4>people who don't want to advance racial equality and raise

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<v Speaker 3>Well, that's exactly.

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<v Speaker 4>What Donald Trump and Republicans are doing right now when

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<v Speaker 4>they talk about communism and Marxists and socialists.

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<v Speaker 3>Exactly the same thing.

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<v Speaker 4>And it's it's a pattern that recurs and it's useful

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<v Speaker 4>to to remind people of.

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<v Speaker 3>How that works.

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<v Speaker 2>And John, you know, what do you what's your sense

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<v Speaker 2>of it? You know, McCarthyism versus Trumpism today. McCarthyism, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I think, you know, McCarthy sort of faded and backed

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<v Speaker 2>away from the scene in disgrace. And Edward R. Murrow

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<v Speaker 2>and there were some pretty. brave journalist during that time

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<v Speaker 2>who exposed him for the fraud that he was. Does Trumpism,

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<v Speaker 2>does MAGAism end the same way, do you think? What

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<v Speaker 2>is your sense of it?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, we'll see.

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<v Speaker 4>It's fighting for a very bad election, and I suspect

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<v Speaker 4>it'll have a difficult election in 2028 as well. I

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<v Speaker 4>think a significant difference is, first of all, McCarthy did

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<v Speaker 3>Donald Trump does.

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<v Speaker 4>I think in Trump's case, the communism and Marxism and

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<v Speaker 4>socialism epithets which get thrown around are mostly a reflex

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<v Speaker 4>for a party that doesn't have much else. I think

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<v Speaker 4>the core of the MAGA movement, if Joe McCarthy was

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<v Speaker 4>about the fight against communism or what he described as

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<v Speaker 4>the fight against communism, Trumpism and MAGA is much more race-based.

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<v Speaker 4>It's about the fear that the country is turning into

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<v Speaker 4>a majority-minority country, and so you have this aggressive deportation plan.

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<v Speaker 4>Video that's circulated by the administration in chains, people who

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<v Speaker 4>to stay. But there's this performative racism that is being

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<v Speaker 3>And I think that's what they're.

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<v Speaker 4>With respect to financial stuff, the people who fund Donald

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<v Speaker 4>Trump and the Republican Party, they want tax cuts. But

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<v Speaker 2>Right. And you have to wonder whether, you know, the

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<v Speaker 2>people who are funding Donald Trump and funding MAGAism and,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, his corporate daddies, if you will, What their

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<v Speaker 2>have the gavel, they don't have chairmen sitting on all

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<v Speaker 2>these different important committees. That might wake some folks up

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<v Speaker 4>I think it'll preview the fact that Trump's still going

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<v Speaker 4>to be in the Oval Office, but it's going to

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<v Speaker 4>which isn't very far away.

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<v Speaker 3>If Democrats continue on the role that they're on now.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no question. Well, John, great to see you as

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<v Speaker 2>always check out John's pieces on Zateo and a great

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<v Speaker 2>catching back up again. We could have gone all day,

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<v Speaker 2>but we won't do that to ourselves, but John, thank

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<v Speaker 2>you so much. Good to see you. Really appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 2>And John mentioned earlier on in the interview there, what

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<v Speaker 2>happened with NBC's Kristen Welker beat the press. when Trump

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<v Speaker 2>FCC to investigate Kristen Welker and so on. And it

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<v Speaker 2>made me think, you know, we really should talk to

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<v Speaker 2>Tom Jones with the Poynter Institute just wrote a piece

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<v Speaker 2>about this today, as a matter of fact. So it's

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<v Speaker 2>perfect timing. Tom, great to see you. Thanks for coming

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<v Speaker 5>Thanks for having me, Jim. Good to talk to you.

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<v Speaker 2>Good to talk to you. And I just saw your

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<v Speaker 2>piece a few moments ago and our friend Tommy Christopher

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<v Speaker 2>sent it over to me. But, you know, I do

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<v Speaker 2>think it's really important. And this is what you wrote.

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<v Speaker 2>Once again, President Donald Trump is calling on the SEC

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<v Speaker 2>Meet the Press on NBC. Moderator Kristen Welker, terrific journalist,

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<v Speaker 2>spoke with WRCTV, the NBC station in Washington. She pointed

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<v Speaker 2>But she accurately noted, you said, he, of course, has

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<v Speaker 2>had some mixed results. Just the fact, Tom, that she

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<v Speaker 2>said that he has had some mixed results was enough

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<v Speaker 2>Social and threaten to have the FCC go after her.

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<v Speaker 2>What does that tell you about where we are right now?

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<v Speaker 5>It tells me that we have a president in the

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<v Speaker 5>True Social. And then normally we would just dismiss it

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<v Speaker 5>and say, OK, here goes Trump again, commenting, making fun

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<v Speaker 5>of Kristen Walker, whatever. But then it has real consequences

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<v Speaker 5>seen this before, that Trump says something. Somebody in his

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<v Speaker 5>administration reacts to that. Half the time, I don't know

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<v Speaker 5>even though– The FCC really doesn't have any authority to

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<v Speaker 5>to have to deal with. This is something we're going

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<v Speaker 5>And so this is all a part of sometimes I

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<v Speaker 5>think Trump goes on social media. He doesn't know what

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<v Speaker 5>he's creating this chaos, this havoc to distract us from

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<v Speaker 5>other things and also just make life the lives of

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<v Speaker 2>Right. It's the same reason why he files these lawsuits

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<v Speaker 2>against news organizations. It's not because he thinks he's ultimately

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<v Speaker 2>going to win a lawsuit, although and we have seen

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<v Speaker 2>cases where, you know, news organizations have bent the knee

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<v Speaker 2>and paid outrageous settlements that don't make any sense. But

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<v Speaker 2>it's the process. It's to put people through the meat grinder.

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<v Speaker 2>It's to make them suffer. But the thing that Kristen Welker,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, Kristen Welker didn't even make a mistake. She

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<v Speaker 2>did not have, there was no error in what she said.

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<v Speaker 2>And she, by the way, I've known her a long time.

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<v Speaker 2>I think she's great, does a wonderful job. And she

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<v Speaker 2>just described reality. They want to go after you for

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<v Speaker 2>describing reality now. That's disturbing.

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<v Speaker 5>That's the disturbing part. I think, again, I think there's

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<v Speaker 5>a method to the madness, if you will, if you

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<v Speaker 5>want to call it that, but there's a method to this.

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<v Speaker 5>And that is to sort of, Work the refs. This

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<v Speaker 5>is something like, I'm going to complain about everything there

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<v Speaker 5>is to complain about. And I'm afraid it probably works

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<v Speaker 5>in some instances where if you complain enough about journalists,

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<v Speaker 5>we go after journalists enough. It makes journalists think twice

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<v Speaker 5>before they start reporting on the next story. Is this

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<v Speaker 5>worth the hassle? Am I willing to put up with

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<v Speaker 5>Trump's wrath for the next month, whether it's just being

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<v Speaker 5>attacked on Twitter True Social or whether it's being attacked

445
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<v Speaker 5>on shows like Fox News or whatever, or on Newsmax,

446
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<v Speaker 5>places like that. It doesn't have an effect where people

447
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<v Speaker 5>sort of pull their punches sometimes. I don't know. I

448
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<v Speaker 5>do like to hope not. And I don't think Kristen

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<v Speaker 5>Welker is the type of journalist that's going to back down.

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<v Speaker 5>Maggie Haberman is not the type of journalist that's going

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<v Speaker 5>to be intimidated by that sort of thing. But I

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<v Speaker 5>do wonder sometime if you just flood the zone, complain

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<v Speaker 5>about everything, even things that that you really can't be

454
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<v Speaker 5>really faulted for in this case, as you mentioned, what

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<v Speaker 5>Krista Walker said was it hurt Trump's ego because he's

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<v Speaker 5>not a hundred percent with his endorsements. So when she

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<v Speaker 5>pointed that out, he gets angry, but you do wonder

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<v Speaker 5>if the next time somebody will say, I wonder if

459
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<v Speaker 5>I should say this because I don't want the Trump

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<v Speaker 5>wrath for the next week or two.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right. It results in self-editing. I think that's undoubtedly

462
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<v Speaker 2>the case and this isn't working the rest. They've, they've

463
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<v Speaker 2>gone way beyond. This is kneecapping the reps. This is,

464
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<v Speaker 2>you know, trying to take out the refs. And he's,

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<v Speaker 2>they've gloated, he and Brendan Carr gloated about anchors that

466
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<v Speaker 2>they've knocked out of places. I mean, folks like myself,

467
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<v Speaker 2>they've gloated over the Ellisons taking over CBS and 60

468
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<v Speaker 2>Minutes and TikTok and so on. And another disturbing thing

469
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<v Speaker 2>that happened over the weekend did not get a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of coverage as much as the Kristen Welker thing. And

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<v Speaker 2>the National Press Club tweeted about this, that the Treasury

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<v Speaker 2>Department I guess they were having a conference. They were having,

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<v Speaker 2>you know.

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<v Speaker 3>They were leaders.

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<v Speaker 5>It's a G20 conference, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>A G20 conference. And they're not allowing the New York Times,

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<v Speaker 2>the Wall Street Journal, and I believe Bloomberg, they're blocking

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<v Speaker 2>those journals from covering a G20 finance minister's meeting in Asheville,

479
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<v Speaker 2>North Carolina. I mean, this is, these are the lengths

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<v Speaker 2>that they're going to now to, again, as you said,

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<v Speaker 2>or as I was saying, kneecap the refs.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, and it's a weird thing that like with the

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<v Speaker 5>New York Times, for instance, one of their reporters, one

484
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<v Speaker 5>of their journalists is being banned from this conference, but

485
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<v Speaker 5>not everybody from the New York Times. They actually did

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<v Speaker 5>grant credentials to somebody who is one of their, I

487
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<v Speaker 5>think they're one of their Berlin correspondents who can cover this.

488
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<v Speaker 5>But we're still not clear exactly what it is that

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<v Speaker 5>got the other journalists banned. They're not some of the

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<v Speaker 5>Treasury Department hasn't commented. Who knows? Maybe he had one

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<v Speaker 5>line in one story three months ago that somebody didn't like.

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<v Speaker 5>And that's the complaint. But, you know, just this, and

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<v Speaker 5>we've seen this really, the Pentagon, I think, is the

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<v Speaker 5>prime example of where the Trump administration has really hammered down,

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<v Speaker 5>forcing journalists to sign forms that said, we're not going

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<v Speaker 5>to report on anything unless we give it to you, basically,

497
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<v Speaker 5>banning people from the building, going as far as filing

498
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<v Speaker 5>subpoenas against journalists to reveal sources, because they have leaks

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<v Speaker 5>within their own department. These are the type of things, again, that...

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<v Speaker 5>And again, Jim, and not to put you on the spot,

501
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<v Speaker 5>but I'm sure this is something you dealt with. So

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<v Speaker 5>for instance, the other day, Trump comes out and just goes,

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<v Speaker 5>just a real vile attack on Maggie Haberman, which was

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<v Speaker 5>completely uncalled for. Disgusting. He does it. He did it

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<v Speaker 5>to you at times. And here's the thing. But I'm

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<v Speaker 5>sure you've been on the receiving end of hatred from

507
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<v Speaker 5>the megaverse, you know, from people who, and it's, again,

508
00:26:53.750 --> 00:26:56.269
<v Speaker 5>he tweets this stuff out. He'll go after somebody. Then

509
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<v Speaker 5>he moves on with his day. But his objective has

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<v Speaker 5>been accomplished. He has made life miserable for Maggie Hepburn.

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<v Speaker 5>Now she could take it. You can take it. But

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<v Speaker 5>I'm sure that there were times when you were at CNN,

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<v Speaker 5>when he was really going after you, that you, that

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<v Speaker 5>your life was miserable for a few days and the

515
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<v Speaker 5>amount of hatred you received, emails, letters, phone.

516
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<v Speaker 2>Calls, whatever, made it difficult. No, there's no doubt about it.

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<v Speaker 2>And they know exactly what they're doing because they've been

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<v Speaker 2>told repeatedly when you do this, when you gin up

519
00:27:28.269 --> 00:27:31.049
<v Speaker 2>this kind of faux outrage and go after people in

520
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<v Speaker 2>deeply personal ways, it often results in death threats. It

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<v Speaker 2>results in some very menacing messages you may get on

522
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<v Speaker 2>social media and I mean, I got all of that stuff,

523
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<v Speaker 2>you name it. House got swatted, letters in the mail

524
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<v Speaker 2>saying they're going to hurt your kids and all this

525
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<v Speaker 2>stuff and really terrible, awful stuff. And I assume Maggie

526
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<v Speaker 2>gets this as well. And all you can really do

527
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<v Speaker 2>is have your news organization communicate to the White House, hey,

528
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<v Speaker 2>when you do this, it results in this. And this

529
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<v Speaker 2>goes all the way back to when he used to

530
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<v Speaker 2>refer to the press as the enemy of the people.

531
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<v Speaker 2>We would tell him and their people at the time,

532
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<v Speaker 2>when you do that, there are going to be threats

533
00:28:10.720 --> 00:28:13.009
<v Speaker 2>and they didn't care. They did it anyway. And it's,

534
00:28:13.329 --> 00:28:16.269
<v Speaker 2>it's an intimidation campaign. It's, it's a way to try

535
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<v Speaker 2>to suppress negative coverage and it gets news executives thinking, well,

536
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<v Speaker 2>you know, should we do that story? Because gosh, you know,

537
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<v Speaker 2>that might get us into trouble over here. Or, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>should we send this person to this event or have

539
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<v Speaker 2>this person cover the white house? They really don't like

540
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<v Speaker 2>that person. And it just results in undoubtedly, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>some self-editing. And I just, It's, it's, it's very troubling.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, not only like when you look at it, when

543
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<v Speaker 5>it comes to not only intimidation in terms of just like,

544
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<v Speaker 5>like you just, you mentioned getting death threats and that

545
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<v Speaker 5>sort of thing, but the threat of a lawsuit. Now

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<v Speaker 5>somebody like Maggie Harriman doesn't, she's got the full power

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<v Speaker 5>of the New York times behind her. You know, you've

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<v Speaker 5>got people at the Washington post or the wall street

549
00:28:56.059 --> 00:29:00.180
<v Speaker 5>journal or NBC or whatever. You have a powerful news

550
00:29:00.240 --> 00:29:04.630
<v Speaker 5>organization behind you, CNN. They're going to protect their people. Um,

551
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<v Speaker 5>But a journalist like you now who's moved on into

552
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<v Speaker 5>a more independent type of role, somebody like a Don Lemon.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, we've seen countless journalists who've moved on doing

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<v Speaker 5>their own things. Or maybe somebody who works for a

555
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<v Speaker 5>smaller news organization. They're not backed by high-priced lawyers who

556
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<v Speaker 5>can spend millions of dollars fighting these things. And the

557
00:29:28.289 --> 00:29:31.529
<v Speaker 5>Trump administration knows that. So you do, again, it goes

558
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<v Speaker 5>back to the self-editing of, Yeah, the New York Times

559
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<v Speaker 5>isn't going to back down, but as some smaller news

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<v Speaker 5>organization or some independent journalist, would they?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, I mean, that's the goal.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, to me, it's no holds barred. And my

564
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<v Speaker 2>sense of it is, is that because of the moment

565
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<v Speaker 2>that we're in, you just have to be as tough

566
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<v Speaker 2>as nails. And the public demands that they want that.

567
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<v Speaker 2>And one of the reasons why Don and I and

568
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<v Speaker 2>others are doing well is because there is a sense

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<v Speaker 2>in the legacy media, in the corporate media that there

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<v Speaker 2>has been. some bending of the knee. And there has

571
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<v Speaker 2>been some, let's pull back on the coverage a little bit.

572
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<v Speaker 2>Let's not be so tough. Let's have some MAGA voices

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<v Speaker 2>here and there to, you know, even if that person

574
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<v Speaker 2>just reliably lies all the time, we have to have

575
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<v Speaker 2>them on the panel or else we're going to get

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<v Speaker 2>a call from the White House and people get tired

577
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<v Speaker 2>of it. And so they go to these independent avenues,

578
00:30:19.420 --> 00:30:21.980
<v Speaker 2>which I think is terrific. But you're right in that

579
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<v Speaker 2>there is a little bit of a vulnerability in that

580
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<v Speaker 2>if they want to harm and harass people, then you're

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<v Speaker 2>kind of out in the cold a little bit. Don,

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<v Speaker 2>when he went through his thing, thank goodness, had some

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<v Speaker 2>very good lawyers who were helping him, I think, on

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<v Speaker 2>a pro bono type basis. I don't want to speak

585
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<v Speaker 2>on his behalf, but I think there was a lot

586
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<v Speaker 2>of generosity being shown in trying to help Don through

587
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<v Speaker 2>that moment. But I mean, to me, the fact that

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<v Speaker 2>they even want to go after independent media shows that

589
00:30:49.230 --> 00:30:54.289
<v Speaker 2>this is becoming a force in the marketplace, Tom. But

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<v Speaker 2>the question I have for you is, what ultimately is

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<v Speaker 2>the answer? is the answer to just, I mean, my

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00:31:00.819 --> 00:31:02.230
<v Speaker 2>sense of it is you just have to take it.

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<v Speaker 2>We have to get through this, do your job, try

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<v Speaker 2>to outlast this moment. I don't think the answer is

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<v Speaker 2>to pull back. I think that it doesn't work.

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<v Speaker 5>No, 100%. You do have to fight your way through it.

597
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<v Speaker 5>And I think the other thing is, and this is

598
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<v Speaker 5>a very difficult thing to do, is to not get

599
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<v Speaker 5>distracted by the moment. I think part of this, when

600
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<v Speaker 5>he goes after Maggie Haberman the way he did, I mean,

601
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<v Speaker 5>he went after Maggie Haberman. She was one of, I think,

602
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<v Speaker 5>four people who bylined a story talking about it. So

603
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<v Speaker 5>it wasn't even that big of a deal that he's

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<v Speaker 5>not going to speak, uh, at the world trade center

605
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<v Speaker 5>on the anniversary of nine 11. Instead, I guess he's

606
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<v Speaker 5>going to speak at the Pentagon, which is perfectly fine.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, um, instead he decides to go after Maggie here,

608
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<v Speaker 5>but he goes after Kristen Walker the other day. I'm

609
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<v Speaker 5>sure it'll be somebody else tomorrow. And it's, and, and

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<v Speaker 5>when he go, when you see him in these press

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<v Speaker 5>conferences and he goes after a Caitlin Collins and talks

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<v Speaker 5>about her not smiling or whatever the case is. Um,

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<v Speaker 5>On one hand, I don't think he can help himself.

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<v Speaker 5>I think he gets very frustrated, particularly by female journalists.

615
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<v Speaker 5>He's shown that. But he also will go after any

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<v Speaker 5>type of journalist. But I think the big thing is

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<v Speaker 5>he knows that I'd rather Tamar's story be about me

618
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<v Speaker 5>and Maggie Haberman or me and Caitlin Collins or me

619
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<v Speaker 5>and Krista Walker than about gas prices, than about Iran,

620
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<v Speaker 5>than about how the midterms are shaping up to be

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<v Speaker 5>a disaster for the GOP. And then he'll take a

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<v Speaker 5>lot of the blame. He'll end up being blamed for

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<v Speaker 5>a lot of that. So I agree with you, Jim.

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<v Speaker 5>I think the key is to keep plowing forward, keep reporting.

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<v Speaker 5>The encouraging thing is it doesn't seem like anybody, as

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<v Speaker 5>much as we talk about self-editing, and we don't know

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<v Speaker 5>what stories are being held back, it is encouraging to

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<v Speaker 5>see the work that the New York Times continues to do,

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<v Speaker 5>that places like NBC. What I'm really looking forward to

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<v Speaker 5>is 60 Minutes. Like, how is 60 Minutes... got to

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<v Speaker 5>handle the moment.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. What do you think about, what do you think

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<v Speaker 2>about that? I think it's fascinating because it seems to

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<v Speaker 2>me it's already, when you have people like Scott Pelley

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<v Speaker 2>and Sharon Alfonsi and Cecilia Vega coming out and saying

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<v Speaker 2>on the record that Barry Weiss, the editor in chief

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<v Speaker 2>of CBS has been intentionally injecting items into stories to

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<v Speaker 2>change the direction of a story or add some, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>pro Trump bias to a story. That's, extremely disturbing and

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<v Speaker 2>i i wonder if she has murdered 60 minutes as

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<v Speaker 2>scott pelly put it i mean we.

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<v Speaker 5>Shall see i mean apparently she has made those suggestions

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<v Speaker 5>into stories that we don't know if they've ever gotten

644
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<v Speaker 5>in to the stories that's one good thing the other

645
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<v Speaker 5>good thing is we've seen even at the end of

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<v Speaker 5>last season for 60 minutes they continue to pretty aggressively

647
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<v Speaker 5>cover the Trump administration. So there is hope that maybe

648
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<v Speaker 5>they will continue. But now look, you just mentioned, I mean,

649
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<v Speaker 5>they've lost some real talent there. I mean, Sharon Alfonsi and,

650
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<v Speaker 5>and the executive producer has since left. Scott Pelley is

651
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<v Speaker 5>no longer there. Anderson Cooper has left. So they've, they've

652
00:34:00.900 --> 00:34:03.359
<v Speaker 5>lost some, some big time talent. They still have some left,

653
00:34:03.799 --> 00:34:07.039
<v Speaker 5>but some interesting new hires as well. So we'll see

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<v Speaker 5>how strong, how just aggressive they are with the Trump administration. But,

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<v Speaker 5>but I agree with you, Jim, like this moment, I

656
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<v Speaker 5>think this is a time where journalists really need to

657
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<v Speaker 5>step up. I think shows like this show, the work

658
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<v Speaker 5>that Don's doing, this is an important time. And I

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<v Speaker 5>would like to think that we can outlast it, that

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<v Speaker 5>this moment, I saw you talking to John a few

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<v Speaker 5>moments ago, where does this thing go when Trump is gone?

662
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<v Speaker 5>We don't know. But you would like to think that

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<v Speaker 5>good and aggressive journalism will always prevail at the end

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<v Speaker 5>of the day. We hope so.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, and I think, I mean, just finally, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I do think some changes are going to be needed

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<v Speaker 2>in the post-Trump era. I think laws are going to

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<v Speaker 2>have to be passed to make it absolutely clear that

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<v Speaker 2>the FCC is not to be used as a political weapon.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, that needs to be written into whatever their

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<v Speaker 2>charter is or whatever their governing structure is. It needs

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00:35:02.170 --> 00:35:06.130
<v Speaker 2>to state very clearly that they're not to decide broadcast

673
00:35:06.190 --> 00:35:08.809
<v Speaker 2>licenses like they are with ABC right now. based on

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00:35:09.070 --> 00:35:11.309
<v Speaker 2>how they hate Jimmy Kimmel or the view or something

675
00:35:11.349 --> 00:35:13.769
<v Speaker 2>like that. I mean, it seems to me he's, there's

676
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<v Speaker 2>now a path for some reforms that are needed.

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<v Speaker 5>A hundred percent. And again, we, you know, I, I

678
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<v Speaker 5>think for this part of it is maybe our fault.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't, I didn't think that we thought it would

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00:35:26.860 --> 00:35:29.380
<v Speaker 5>get to this. Like I, I think there was a

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<v Speaker 5>lot of us. I still go back to the January.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't want to make it a long story. I'll

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<v Speaker 5>keep it short for you, Jim. I remember on January 6th, 2021, uh,

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<v Speaker 5>here at the Poynter Institute, we have a lot of

685
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<v Speaker 5>foreign journalists who work with us. And they said, this

686
00:35:41.469 --> 00:35:43.349
<v Speaker 5>is going to be a bad day. You watch, this

687
00:35:43.429 --> 00:35:47.889
<v Speaker 5>is going to turn into something horrifically historic. And I

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00:35:47.929 --> 00:35:49.449
<v Speaker 5>was like, no, that.

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<v Speaker 3>Can't happen here.

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<v Speaker 5>That'll never happen here. And by, you know, two o'clock

691
00:35:52.739 --> 00:35:55.219
<v Speaker 5>that afternoon, we're like, oh my gosh, I can't believe this.

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<v Speaker 5>I think there's a little bit of us that got

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<v Speaker 5>caught flat footed with, no, the FCC would never do this. No,

694
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<v Speaker 5>they would never go after that. They would, Kimmel would

695
00:36:02.519 --> 00:36:05.760
<v Speaker 5>never can be pulled from the air. Like it's all happened.

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<v Speaker 5>And so. Maybe with that little more experience moving forward,

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00:36:09.280 --> 00:36:12.480
<v Speaker 5>we know at least how to approach it in the future.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we can. I don't think we can no longer say,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, is Donald Trump a threat to the free

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<v Speaker 2>press or is Donald Trump a threat to the first?

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<v Speaker 2>That question has been answered. You know, it's time to

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<v Speaker 2>stop writing and framing things in that fashion. But, Tom,

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<v Speaker 2>great to see you. The Poynter Institute, terrific newsletter. You

704
00:36:32.260 --> 00:36:34.420
<v Speaker 2>guys do every day terrific stuff you guys do on

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00:36:34.440 --> 00:36:36.869
<v Speaker 2>the media and the free press. Really appreciate the time.

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<v Speaker 5>Thank you, Jim. Good talking to you.

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<v Speaker 2>All right. Good talking to you as well. And, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>before we go, I should say, you know, we've covered

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00:36:44.130 --> 00:36:45.590
<v Speaker 2>a lot of news today, by the way, for folks

710
00:36:45.610 --> 00:36:48.630
<v Speaker 2>who don't cover, you know, we do just a few things. No, no,

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00:36:48.630 --> 00:36:51.650
<v Speaker 2>we're covering a lot today. Apparently, the Supreme Court is

712
00:36:51.690 --> 00:36:54.789
<v Speaker 2>allowing Trump to move forward with his White House ballroom construction.

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<v Speaker 2>This is being reported by NBC and The New York Times.

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00:36:58.429 --> 00:37:00.369
<v Speaker 2>You know, the lower courts might say one thing, but

715
00:37:00.690 --> 00:37:02.630
<v Speaker 2>once Trump goes to the Supreme Court and there's those,

716
00:37:02.989 --> 00:37:05.429
<v Speaker 2>you know, MAGA justices who are like, Whatever you want

717
00:37:05.449 --> 00:37:08.510
<v Speaker 2>to do, just go and do it. Hey, sounds great.

718
00:37:08.829 --> 00:37:11.710
<v Speaker 2>Sounds great to us. We used to be originalists and

719
00:37:11.730 --> 00:37:14.449
<v Speaker 2>go by the Constitution, but we love Donald Trump. As

720
00:37:14.489 --> 00:37:16.670
<v Speaker 2>I like to say, who's the biggest fangirl in Washington

721
00:37:16.690 --> 00:37:18.409
<v Speaker 2>for Donald Trump? Is it Natalie Harp or is it

722
00:37:18.449 --> 00:37:22.300
<v Speaker 2>Chief Justice John Roberts? Anyway, NBC reporting the Supreme Court

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00:37:22.340 --> 00:37:25.320
<v Speaker 2>on Monday handed Trump a win by allowing him to

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00:37:25.360 --> 00:37:28.099
<v Speaker 2>move forward indefinitely with the construction of his new White

725
00:37:28.139 --> 00:37:31.920
<v Speaker 2>House ballroom. The court divided five to four. granted an

726
00:37:32.119 --> 00:37:35.570
<v Speaker 2>emergency request filed by the Trump administration blocking lower court

727
00:37:35.610 --> 00:37:37.869
<v Speaker 2>rulings that would have put the above ground portion of

728
00:37:37.889 --> 00:37:41.230
<v Speaker 2>the project on hold. This followed an interim decision along

729
00:37:41.289 --> 00:37:49.340
<v Speaker 2>similar lines issued by Chief Justice John Roberts on August 21st. Apparently,

730
00:37:50.599 --> 00:37:53.980
<v Speaker 2>John Roberts joined the court's three liberal justices in dissent.

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<v Speaker 2>I will say, OK, I'm reading the story here. Construction

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00:37:56.619 --> 00:37:59.389
<v Speaker 2>of the ballroom. has proceeded apace for the better part

733
00:37:59.429 --> 00:38:03.230
<v Speaker 2>of the year. That construction is likely unlawful, John Roberts wrote. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>so he has been on the forefront of allowing Donald

735
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<v Speaker 2>Trump to do a lot of what he's wanted to do,

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<v Speaker 2>but it seems that the other conservative justices on the

737
00:38:10.710 --> 00:38:15.679
<v Speaker 2>court had other ideas, and they're allowing Donald Trump to

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00:38:15.719 --> 00:38:19.119
<v Speaker 2>go forward with this ballroom construction. The other thing that

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00:38:19.139 --> 00:38:23.780
<v Speaker 2>we should get into is the reflecting pool down in

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<v Speaker 2>the National Mall. Remember when The reflecting pool down in

741
00:38:26.690 --> 00:38:29.809
<v Speaker 2>the National Mall was going to be this beautiful Caribbean

742
00:38:29.889 --> 00:38:34.650
<v Speaker 2>blue swimming pool like body of water just in time

743
00:38:34.670 --> 00:38:38.250
<v Speaker 2>for the July 4th holiday. Apparently, and Donald Trump's had

744
00:38:38.289 --> 00:38:40.949
<v Speaker 2>a really tough time selling this to the public. He's

745
00:38:40.969 --> 00:38:43.289
<v Speaker 2>been telling people that vandals have gone down there and

746
00:38:43.570 --> 00:38:46.070
<v Speaker 2>they remember he said they cut a 350 foot slit

747
00:38:46.110 --> 00:38:49.380
<v Speaker 2>down the middle of the reflecting pool. And they arrested

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<v Speaker 2>David Hearn, the Olympic canoeist, and said he's the one

749
00:38:53.559 --> 00:38:57.159
<v Speaker 2>he did this and that and the other thing. Um,

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00:38:57.340 --> 00:38:59.110
<v Speaker 2>and it turns out he didn't do anything and the,

751
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<v Speaker 2>you know, and, and the case has been dropped and

752
00:39:01.260 --> 00:39:04.300
<v Speaker 2>so on and so forth. Well, I went down, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I've been wondering what's going on with the reflecting pool.

754
00:39:06.809 --> 00:39:08.489
<v Speaker 2>You know, it's been too much. And, and by the way,

755
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<v Speaker 2>Donald Trump, I guess he went on truth social over

756
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<v Speaker 2>the weekend and said that the improvements to the reflecting

757
00:39:13.630 --> 00:39:17.920
<v Speaker 2>pool are quote, almost completely fixed. Donald Trump said on Sunday,

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00:39:18.360 --> 00:39:21.679
<v Speaker 2>the improvements to the Lincoln Memorial reflecting pool are almost

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00:39:21.719 --> 00:39:24.949
<v Speaker 2>completely fixed. That is what he said. And this has

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<v Speaker 2>been the true social post he put out over the weekend.

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<v Speaker 2>I went down to the National Mall and guess what?

762
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<v Speaker 3>It is.

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<v Speaker 2>It is not almost completely fixed. Take a look. All right,

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<v Speaker 2>here I am down at the reflecting pool almost two

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00:39:37.480 --> 00:39:40.889
<v Speaker 2>months since July 4th. Remember when Donald Trump and all

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00:39:40.929 --> 00:39:43.679
<v Speaker 2>the cabinet officials and all the National Park Service people

767
00:39:43.699 --> 00:39:45.630
<v Speaker 2>were claiming that this was going to be a beautiful

768
00:39:45.710 --> 00:39:49.130
<v Speaker 2>reflecting pool just in time for the July 4th celebration,

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<v Speaker 2>that it was going to be like a swimming pool

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<v Speaker 2>or like the Caribbean, and that this American flag... or

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00:39:54.670 --> 00:39:56.690
<v Speaker 2>paint or liner that they put on the bottom of

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00:39:56.710 --> 00:39:59.369
<v Speaker 2>the reflecting pool was going to transform this into this

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00:39:59.489 --> 00:40:02.710
<v Speaker 2>beautiful urban oasis. You can see behind me that the

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<v Speaker 2>reflecting pool is almost entirely empty.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, take a look at this.

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<v Speaker 2>I've just been spotting the workers down here on the

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<v Speaker 2>no big contract for the reflecting pool. They are ripping

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<v Speaker 2>up chunks of the bottom of this reflecting pool and

779
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<v Speaker 2>throwing them away. obviously trying to clean up after their

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<v Speaker 2>own shoddy work, and not from vandals down here that

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00:40:26.280 --> 00:40:28.539
<v Speaker 2>they've been lying about over and over. And look at

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00:40:28.559 --> 00:40:31.760
<v Speaker 2>the way they're trying to cover up what the workers

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00:40:31.800 --> 00:40:35.070
<v Speaker 2>are doing down here. They have this giant black covering

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00:40:35.130 --> 00:40:37.269
<v Speaker 2>going up and down the reflecting pool, so you can't

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<v Speaker 2>really look in and see what's going on unless you

786
00:40:39.610 --> 00:40:42.710
<v Speaker 2>look through these little tears that they've created in the line.

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<v Speaker 2>Look at that. Once again, folks, I'm down here. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't see any signs of any large scale vandalism. And

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00:40:49.260 --> 00:40:52.409
<v Speaker 2>there are some workers who are fiddling around with a

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<v Speaker 2>certain part of the bottom of the reflecting pool. Again,

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<v Speaker 2>it looks like they are repairing their own shoddy work.

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00:41:00.530 --> 00:41:02.420
<v Speaker 2>We'll stay on top of this, but it's been months

793
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<v Speaker 2>and months since they predicted that this reflecting pool was

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<v Speaker 2>going to look like something out of the Caribbean or

795
00:41:07.940 --> 00:41:10.300
<v Speaker 2>like a swimming pool at Mar-a-Lago or something like that.

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00:41:10.780 --> 00:41:15.159
<v Speaker 2>And look at this. Still empty. Still an eyesore. Still

797
00:41:15.219 --> 00:41:17.920
<v Speaker 2>not what Trump promised to the American people for the

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00:41:18.099 --> 00:41:24.199
<v Speaker 2>250th anniversary of this country. Shameful. It's totally shameful. Trump

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00:41:24.239 --> 00:41:26.519
<v Speaker 2>said he was going to make this reflecting pool look

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<v Speaker 2>like Mar-a-Lago or the Bahamas. And that it was going

801
00:41:30.500 --> 00:41:33.840
<v Speaker 2>to be amazing and beautiful. And it's still a total

802
00:41:34.079 --> 00:41:37.239
<v Speaker 2>eyesore down on the National Mall. And apparently now there

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<v Speaker 2>are signs on those fences that go around the reflecting...

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<v Speaker 2>I couldn't believe when I saw this. When I went

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00:41:42.429 --> 00:41:44.650
<v Speaker 2>down there, I was like, surely they've made some progress.

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00:41:45.590 --> 00:41:48.070
<v Speaker 2>And they've made almost no progress. They're still just ripping

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<v Speaker 2>up pieces of the bottom of the reflecting pool and

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00:41:51.610 --> 00:41:54.730
<v Speaker 2>putting them in hefty bags and garbage bags and so on.

809
00:41:55.369 --> 00:41:56.989
<v Speaker 2>And it's an absolute joke. And apparently they're putting up

810
00:41:57.050 --> 00:41:59.849
<v Speaker 2>signs around the reflecting pool that blame this. They still...

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<v Speaker 2>they still blame this on vandals and they're blaming the

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<v Speaker 2>reflecting pool problems on prior administrations. He is the one

813
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<v Speaker 2>that did this. He is the one that sent the crews,

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<v Speaker 2>the no big contract crews down to the national mall.

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<v Speaker 2>And they painted the bottom of the reflecting pool, which

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00:42:18.150 --> 00:42:20.449
<v Speaker 2>I predicted back. I think it was in April. If

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00:42:20.469 --> 00:42:22.469
<v Speaker 2>you paint it that dark color, it's going to cause

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00:42:22.730 --> 00:42:25.409
<v Speaker 2>all of these algae blooms. And I mean, I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>a genius or anything. I heard there was like scientists

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00:42:28.110 --> 00:42:30.329
<v Speaker 2>and meteorologists and whatnot. He said, if you make it

821
00:42:30.369 --> 00:42:32.050
<v Speaker 2>really dark, it's going to heat up the pool and

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<v Speaker 2>you're gonna have all this allergy. So I'm not patting

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<v Speaker 2>myself on the back or anything, but I did say

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<v Speaker 2>this was going to happen and they have been screwing

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00:42:40.489 --> 00:42:44.250
<v Speaker 2>with this thing ever since. All they had to do

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00:42:44.909 --> 00:42:46.989
<v Speaker 2>was just clean it up a little bit and it

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00:42:47.010 --> 00:42:48.650
<v Speaker 2>would have been fine. And it would have, it would

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<v Speaker 2>have kept on going on as this reflecting pool that

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<v Speaker 2>gets a little green and a little mucky every now

830
00:42:53.420 --> 00:42:55.820
<v Speaker 2>and then the ducks are swimming around and, and that's

831
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<v Speaker 2>just how it is. But Trump and this is exactly

832
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<v Speaker 2>why he should not be trusted with the White House

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<v Speaker 2>ballroom project. It is exactly why he should not be

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<v Speaker 2>trusted with the Kennedy Center project. I guess Sheldon Whitehouse,

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<v Speaker 2>the senator from Rhode Island, he's fired off another letter

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<v Speaker 2>to the Kennedy Center. People saying we want to see

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<v Speaker 2>your financial books. And Donald Trump still wants to put

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<v Speaker 2>his name on the Kennedy Center. And we've been following

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<v Speaker 2>that saga. We were out there. Remember that night all

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<v Speaker 2>night when they were taking his name? And, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>Sheldon Whitehouse, the Senator from Rhode Island is saying, we want,

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<v Speaker 2>we want to see what's going on in your, your

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<v Speaker 2>financial documents too, because it sounds like you don't have

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<v Speaker 2>any money. And that's why you, you are shutting down

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<v Speaker 2>the Kennedy center because you've run it into the ground

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<v Speaker 2>because nobody wants to go see a Kennedy center with

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<v Speaker 2>Donald Trump's name on it. Nobody wants that. Nobody wants

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<v Speaker 2>to go down to the national mall and look at

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<v Speaker 2>a reflecting pool. That looks like a sewer that Donald

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<v Speaker 2>Trump screwed up because he's incompetent. Um, people don't want

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<v Speaker 2>to go down to the white house and look at

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<v Speaker 2>the white house. If there's a giant hole in the

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<v Speaker 2>ground and some monstrosity gilded golden faux golden monstrosity that

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<v Speaker 2>he's building, people are not going to want to go

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<v Speaker 2>and look at the white house other than the people

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<v Speaker 2>who pay Trump to be in his good graces, uh,

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<v Speaker 2>or suck up to him to be in his good graces.

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<v Speaker 2>But I mean, that, that is the long and the

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<v Speaker 2>short of it folks. So again, so when he, puts

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<v Speaker 2>out there in a tweet that, oh, we're bombing Carg Island,

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<v Speaker 2>or we're taking over the Venezuelan oil to lower gas prices,

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<v Speaker 2>or the reflecting pool is almost finished. I know, this

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<v Speaker 2>just in, shocker, Donald Trump completely full of BS. Once again,

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<v Speaker 2>another day that ends in Y here on the Jim

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<v Speaker 2>Acosta Show. A couple of final things. As we said

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<v Speaker 2>at the top of the program, The show today is

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<v Speaker 2>it out. It's terrific. And also on the Substack today, we,

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<v Speaker 2>We did also publish a piece from our friend Juliet

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<v Speaker 2>Jeske over at Decoding Fox News, doing a deep dive

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<v Speaker 2>into the Natalie Harp cult-like worship of Donald Trump. That's

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<v Speaker 2>Lots of good content for you on this Monday here

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<v Speaker 2>at the very end of August.

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<v Speaker 3>September?

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<v Speaker 2>Is September tomorrow? I think September is tomorrow. My God.

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<v Speaker 2>The year is flying by.

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<v Speaker 5>But, folks.

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<v Speaker 2>Really appreciate everybody supporting us each and every day. I

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<v Speaker 2>want to thank John Harwood for being on the program,

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<v Speaker 2>Tom Jones over at the Poynter Institute. Thank you, all

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<v Speaker 2>of you, for tuning in each and every day. We

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<v Speaker 2>really appreciate it. Still reporting from Washington and by the

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<v Speaker 2>Reflecting Pool on occasion. I'm Jim Acosta. I'll see you

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<v Speaker 2>next time.