Speaker 1: Welcome to another episode of the Chicks on the Right podcast.
Very excited to have our old friend Dave Rubin back
on the show with us, and we are going to
talk to Dave. We have a very important question to
ask you, Dave, about the woke right, because we've been
watching the transformation of lots of people that we used
to admire and that we know you have some personal
connections with and we want to get into that. But first,
we didn't know we were going to talk to you
about this about this today, but we've decided that we
think we need your opinion, and it's because there's a
video going around of j Lo recently performing somewhere and
she does like this really sexy dance that looks like
she's kind of simulating sex with a bunch of different
guy dancers, and it's going viral because it's now become
she has reached the point apparently that it is inappropriate
and kind of cringe for her to behaving that way.
And so Daisy and I were talking before you connected
about what line was crossed, Like, at what point did
she go from being super hot like at the super
Bowl halftime performance, which is five years ago, probably yet
recent right, maybe we're.
Speaker 2: Just not remembering it as being recent.
Speaker 1: Yeah, to now, it's kind of cringe. And so Daisy was,
you know, she was suggesting that maybe fifty one.
Speaker 3: Age.
Speaker 2: She's fifty five, so like, is there a certain age
where you become an old skank and then people just
can't accept that anymore?
Speaker 3: You know? I should note that you guys know this,
which is obviously why I asked me the question. I
am an expert in female aging and how it relates
to sexuality and sexual prowess. That's usually why they bring
me on Fox. That's number one. Number two. I just
turned forty nine last week, so I'm not fifty four yet,
but I'm veering into that part of life. So I'm
sensitive to the middle aged person trying to hang on
to some ability to be liked by young people. And
I should tell you that I am a huge She's
no longer with us, but Tina Turner was my girl.
If we're going to talk about if we're going to
talk about legendary divas and Tina Turner, let me tell
you something about Tina Turner. Tina Turner performing at seventy
five years old, Those legs looked as good as they
looked when she was twenty four with Ike who was
smacking her around, and the legs still look good, probably
from kicking him off her in the limo. As for
j Lo specifically, I haven't seen the video you're talking about,
but you know, we played a video on my show
the other day about what's her name from Mad Max,
who's the actress Charlie's then and she was where she
did this interview talking about how she had sex or
I think she said my year old a twenty six
year old. And there's a strange thing when it comes
to men talking about sex. I think, particularly with like,
let's say, a younger girl, there's a difference between a
fifty year old man saying I banged the twenty six
year old and a fifty year old woman saying I
banged the twenty six year old. There is something optically
just feels different about it. You know, there's a difference
if you see a man punch another man, it's different
than seeing a woman hit a woman. It's just you
just feel something inside you, so like does do most
people want to see a fifty four year old perform
simulate sex acts on a bunch of dancers who These
are male dancers, and I guarantee you they're not that
interested in a fifty four year old Jennifer Lopez.
Speaker 2: Like there's a lot of acting involved here.
Speaker 3: You see what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: We do, we do, okay, because it's just interesting because
you know, just a few years ago during the super
Bowl halftime show, I was like, dang, she looks amazing
that super hot performance. You know, I thought it was
super hot, and like if she did it today, would
it still be hot? And we don't know?
Speaker 2: And now you get grandma off the stage. That's what
people are saying.
Speaker 3: But the thing is there, you guys know this, and
you're both doing it. There's a way to age gracefully
and there's a way to just and you can still
be sexual. You can still have an air of sexuality
around you at an older age. Rue McClanahan had had
a absolute era of sexualness around her. Of course she did,
and many other many, many many other women obviously do, right,
Lauren Bacall, like we could, you could do a long
list of more older women. Thank you, thank you. This
is I told you I'm an expert in this, but
I got a good one for you. Somebody made this
point to me the other day. Who if we were
in nineteen eighty five, right now, who and you said
to somebody in twenty twenty five, Roseanne bar is going
to look a hell of a lot better than Madonna.
Who would believe you? And she Doesna looks Madonna looks
like a cat, and Roseanne bar looks pretty good like
she did that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's true, it's true.
Speaker 1: Okay, enough of the fluffy stuff, because we did we
did that us. We did bring you on for a
very specific reason. And it's like we said earlier that
we're watching people on the right who we've long admired
from afar, I mean, Candice Owens, Tucker Carlson, even you know,
folks that are probably not as big, but you definitely
know who they are, the Hodge Twins, for example. There's
just so many people on the right that seem to
have become what is now being called woke right. I know,
you call it retard right, which I prefer actually I like,
but like, what would your definition for that be? And
what is happening? You've got personal experience and friendships with
some of these folks that had what is the reason
that this is happening.
Speaker 3: Okay, so there's a lot of stuff here. Let me
say before I begin that with I won't talk about
anyone specifically, like in the nature of our personal relationships
or that kind of thing. And that's one of the
messy things that you guys, know, when you become a
public person and suddenly you have all of these relationships
or had relationships with people, you see some weird stuff
and then you're like, ah, do I have to get
involved in this? And then yet it's drue job to
get involved in it, and people are turning to you
for a little sanity amidst the craziness. It really can
make it very difficult. And I have to say, in
this specific thing, watching some of these people go off
the deep end has been particularly depressing because I was
very close with some of them. And also it's also unnecessary.
So let me start with that part, the unnecessary part.
There is so much good happening on the right as
I talk to the chicks on the right right now,
Trump has so many freaking wins in six months that
if you are a commentator on the right and you
are waking up every day going what did the Jews do?
Or what can I that's actually not really What did
the Jews do it? What can I pin on the Jews?
Or who can I blame for this? Or what conspiracy
can I go down for that? Or how can I
concoct a crazed set of ideas to keep my audience
glued in as opposed to doing what I try to
do on the show every day, which is talk about
win after win after win. It's not like there's a
lack of content right now between the border winds, between
the trade winds, between the Middle East winds, between at
least the fact that there's some attempt at peace with Russia, Ukraine,
getting wokeness out of our schools, destroying the Department of Education,
the deportations, the wall. I mean, we could go on
and on and on, and to me, you get Trump.
We all wanted, like all of the people that you're
thinking about right now, and then you take let's say
us and whatever we all wanted Trump. We got the
guy we wanted. We got the guy they tried to
kill the guy, the guy they tried to jail, all
the stuff. We get the guy we wanted. How about
we run with that for a while. But some people
don't want to take the W, take the WA. You
don't always have to take the L, but a lot
of people are obsessed with taking the L. So I
think there's a couple of things going on here as
it pertains that. I think some people are just wired
to kind of be complainers all the time, and they
don't know what to do with winning. You know, for
four years, it was very easy for all of us
to make content, Wow, Biden's brain is a scrambled egg
and Kamalaa barely knows English, and blah blah blah, we
could do it. Okay, so that was easy. Well, now
we're getting wins and people don't know how to actually
behave with that, like to tell people, Wow, things are
getting better and it's gonna take work and all that.
I think that's one part. I think another part here,
and I'll mention the name specifically on this one, but
with someone like Tucker, I think there's a business part
of this that is being way undervalued here. A lot
of people think it's, oh, he's just gone off the
deep end, or maybe the tobacco he's chewing has broken
his brain or something. I don't think it's necessarily that.
I think he looks at the Daily Wire, and he
wants to be the Daily Wire. He created the Tucker
Carlson network. Who do you have to destroy? You have
to destroy the number one online conservative network? That's Daily Wire?
Who do you who do you really have to take
out to do that? That's Ben? Oh, And it does
kind of help that benz a yamaka wearing jew he's
the avatar for Jew. So in some sense, it's just
a business move. And to be clear, and I think
you guys know this, both of them have blurbed books
for me. We've been on each other show dozens of times,
broken bread together, all of those things, Ben and homes,
all of that stuff. I offered before this all got
very hostile a few months ago, offered to broker a
conversation with them. Ben texted them privately. Ben immediately agreed,
and Tucker didn't. Tucker said, well, he's welcome on any time.
I don't need you to do it. But then Tucker
never extends the invite, and then we'll constantly talk about
him on the show. So I think people can read
into that what they want. And then I think, you know,
there's just like another version of the algorithms are feeding craziness.
You know, if you go on a show and you
just calmly lay out the truth, right, you say, boy,
not everything is just this crazy bumper sticker answer. But
you offer like some nuance and here's here's really what's
going on here, and you do it thoughtfully. That simply
does not go viral. It doesn't people people want bites, right,
It's just how it is. And the algorithms now know
us better than we know ourselves. So what does go viral?
Say something fucking bananas? Pardon my French, right, and that
is and unfortunately, then the algorithm sees the input, it
sees the reaction to the input, and it gives more
of that. And so the amount of selective pressures on people. Boy,
I say something kind of thoughtful or interesting and nobody watches,
or nobody cares, or nobody shares. I say something completely
bananas and everybody shares, and then the algorithm is learning
from that. And you might say the algorithm and they're
all different, right, Twitter has a different algorithm than YouTube
or whatever, but they're highly manipulated. There's bots, there's foreign trolls,
there's all of these things. And I would say I'm
probably in a similar spot with you guys. It's been
really disappointing at a human level. But I think the
ultimate force field, the ultimate force field is American's success.
The more that America succeeds, the more that Trump does good,
which again, these things are happening right in front of
our eyes. That's the force field. The force field is
not oh they're screaming, debate me, bro, and to debate
every one of these idiots, or you know, or just
go back into the history books again, or anything else.
You know, for example, like when Douglas Murray and Dave
Smith debated on Tucker and that kind of took over
or the internet. Douglas Murray is the most thoughtful's brilliant, brilliant,
well spoken person I know he is. He is exceptional Tucker.
When Tucker debuted his online show, it was with Douglas
Murray and he said He's the only person I would
put on for my first show. He's so brilliant. Now
he goes after him relentlessly. I never have him on again.
It's like, guys, come on, I really.
Speaker 1: Think that that's like so Tucker. So because I hate
the suggestion even I think more than believing they really
believe it to think that, Tucker is like, I need
to say what's going to get me clicks and that,
and then just like assume this entire persona of like.
Speaker 3: Look, I can't set just like you. I can't speak
to what's in someone's heart or brain or in between
those two things. But I can speak to their behaviors,
so I think, And I also just know, like I've
been in this game for a long time, Like, you know,
how if I just if my goal every day was
just to get clicks, there's a certain way to do it.
And then if my goal is to be totally thoughtful
and whatever, there's a way to do that. And then
sometimes and then sometimes you have to play the game.
I mean, we have to tag the title things in
a way to be seen. That's just part of the game.
I don't love it. I constantly have debates with my
YouTube analytics guy on like how should we do some
of this stuff, because otherwise you'll play a game, you know,
hate the player or hate the game. If you just
want to never be in the game, then do it
your way and see what happens. Do I think if
the question at the end of the day is do
I think that Tucker has got some issue with the
Jews at this point, I think the answer is obviously, yes,
you cannot be that obsessed with Israel, which is an
absurdly tiny country and a horrible part of the world,
surrounded by people that share none of our Western values
or anything else, and you're obsessed with the one place
where the Jews happen to live, but also that protects minorities,
protects Christians, that offers unbelievable agricultural and technological and virtually
and certainly military, but unbelievable innovation. That is the story
of the people, whether you're religious or not. The story
of the Bible is the story of the humans, right,
It's the story of how we all got here, which
churned through everything to say, get us to the Enlightenment,
and then we had three hundred years of a more
secular society, and I think now we're kind of battling
between what we're what the future will be. But like
your obsession with that place, and every time Tucker brings
up a Jew, it's to clearly go after them, like
it's never go does show after show going after Israel,
claiming that Christians aren't treated well in Israel. It's just
like it's profound. So is something there yet? Is it
my preference to focus on that? Not really, because I
don't think that wins anything. What I think, again, wins
things is Look, a month and a half ago, Tucker
was saying that if we do anything with Iran, it's
thermonuclear World War three. It's not that he was wrong,
he was beyond wrong. Why was I not wrong? It
was pretty obvious to me that Israel was going to
do something. They're really good at doing this shit, and
it was going to happen pretty quickly. And I even
tweeted a few days before. You can find the tweet.
Maybe you guys can put it up in post. I said,
And if America has to do anything, it'll probably be
to drop a couple moms to finish it off. That's
exactly what happened. Now. It's not because I'm a genius,
but if you pay attention to what's going on in
the world, you would be able to decipher some of that. However,
if your goal is to keep your audience in a
particular state of panic all the time. So he was
cataclysmically wrong about that, and we all get things wrong.
But then he just moved on to the next thing now,
and there'll be something else after that and something else
after that. So again it brings I can see it
with both of you. It just brings none of us
great pleasure to have to do this. But they're not stopping.
That's the weird thing.
Speaker 2: It's like, no, and I think and I think it affects,
you know, it affects like we're seeing stuff in New
York City, we're seeing it in Minneapolis, we're seeing anti
semitism on college campuses, and when we see it in
our party, when we see it on our side, because
you know, we've been doing this a long time. We're
old day, we've been doing this a long time and
kind of going back to the hole, just trying to
get a rise out of people and trying to affect
the algorithms. You know, we were doing long form posts
on a blog when people actually read things, and then
people stopped reading things, and now they just went the
quick bursts of kind of like what you're talking about.
It's like a cat chasing a laser on the wall.
You know. That's I feel like that's where we're at now.
And I mean, I kind of get it, but at
the same time, like this rise of anti Semitism, it is,
it makes both of us very uneasy.
Speaker 3: Look, I grew up. I grew up around Holocaust survivors.
My dad on his side had had Holocaust survivors obviously,
plenty of people that didn't survive, and my mom had
on her side. And I met these people and my
uncle Joe, who had a tattoo on his arm, you know,
till the day he died, obviously, And I wrote about
him in my first book. Yeah, he got shot trying.
I mean, it's such a crazy story. I can't even
get into the full thing right now. But basically, when
he realized that the Nazis were taking over Germany, he
dropped his daughter off she was four years old, three
or four years old, dropped her off at a at
a Christian seminary and convinced her that he was not
her father, so that she could survive, so that he
could go into hiding. And then after the war he
went there like three years later to try to show
that he was her father. She barely remembered him right
that almost no recollection. They wouldn't let him take her back.
He had to kidnap her kidnap her and got shot
while doing it. I mean, and there's so many crazy,
crazier stories than that. But the point is that I'm Jewish,
so I'm sensitive to some of that stuff. But what
I would say, and I always say this on my show, Look,
someone may not you may not care about the Jews,
and that's just fine, more than you'd care about anyone else.
That's perfectly fine. Everyone cares about their own more than
you care about anybody else. Okay, fine, But what I
would say is, if you think that serving the Jews
up on the platter right now is good, well, okay,
so they won't live in New York City anymore because
the Communists are going to take over there, but wait
till the Islamists take over, because the Red Green Alliance
is the real thing. So for the for the for
the set of for the portion of this that is
coming out of some kind of Christian thing, I would say,
you don't have to care about the Jews. And you
may think they're missing the boat on the Savior and
all of that stuff, But first off, they're the ones
that are defending your ability to go visit the Church
of the Holy Sepulcher and go to Bethlehem and Nazareth
and all that stuff. But even putting that aside for
your own self preservation, if the Jews are all taken
out in America, like what do you think is coming next? Is?
It is game on with the a all the time.
We say it all the time.
Speaker 2: We say it like a couple times a week. It's
like the long they have a long game and the
long game. It's like, get the Jews out of the way,
and they're coming next to the Christians. And we can't
understand why some of these Christians can't see that.
Speaker 3: Well, you let me know, if you let me know
if Tucker or some of the other people you mentioned
have done any shows on what's happening to the Christians
in Syria right now right.
Speaker 1: To see some kind of mention about it. But it's
they there's so many of them that have gone off
the rails. And for me to try to believe that
it started with you know, clicks and money and that
it's financial, I just don't understand the ability, I guess,
to do that inauthentically to the point that it then
becomes who you are and what you actually believe, because
we would never like can you imagine doing that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know how Trump, You know how Trump derangement
syndrome caused a lot of semi like people that we
thought were saying ten years ago and then they all
went crazy with Trump arrangement syndrome. It was sort of
like Trump was the center of the universe. So on
any issue, you could get them to take any position.
Becau was just basically, well, if Trump likes it, I
don't like it, right, So Trump says up, you say down.
And I think in some sense that's what's happened here.
And by the way, I would put a lot of
the blame on what's happened here. A lot of the
blame goes to the New York Times and CNN and
mainstream media and all that, because they were so dishonest
about so many things that they broke so many brains,
especially during COVID, that then people go to look for
answers anywhere. So, you know, if someone like Joe Rogan
puts on anyone can put on whoever they want. You guys,
put on whoever they want and be judged for it
whoever you want. Same with me. So with Rogan, so
he can put on whoever he wants. But if you
keep putting on people who are propagandists, and I mean
this for anyone, you keep putting on people who are
propagandists and you're not equipped to explain what is what
is the truth or bring on the counter point, then eventually,
eventually the rise of the alt media will be just
as bad as what we had with the mainstream media.
And that's the strange thing that I think we're in
right now. You know, the mainstream media has been collapsing.
Alt media has been rising. I think this last election
it got to at least parity or right around that.
And now I feel I've said this on my show
many times. I feel a responsibility to tell the truth.
I'm not going to get everything right all the time,
but I don't lie to my audience. I love correcting
myself on air. My associate producer Joseph's right here. He
does it several times a week. Dave, you got that
number wrong? You did this, or I'll ask him in
the middle of the show. I think I might be
misremembering that. It's like I like doing that because I
feel like I have a responsibility. Now. There are other
people that just don't think they have a responsibility. And
I'm not telling anyone how to run their business, but
I do think at some point it's if we don't
have anything trustworthy in the mainstream and everyone's going online,
and then the online people are like, well, I have
no responsibility to tell the truth. It makes it tougher.
But thank god for AI because that'll just tell us
what the truth is.
Speaker 2: Right and listen, we're and we're small potatoes. We always
have been small potatoes. But one of the things that
we we've always been authentic. It's kind of like, you know,
with Andrew Tate, we don't like him. We don't like him,
and there are people on our side of the aisle
that think he's a great guy, and he just says, well.
Speaker 1: He said like four conservative things, so therefore we're going
to have a platform.
Speaker 2: In so yeah, so we're supposed to embrace him or like,
that's bullshit, We're not going to do that, and so
we say the things and we get so much backlash
for that, so that I think that's where a lot
of we see a lot of people on our side
going with the flow on some of these people who
are so important and way obviously bigger than us, and
so yeah, but it's yeah, it could be a tough
it's a tough up.
Speaker 3: Let me offer you one other kind of white pill
on this, which I tweeted something this morning that I
think is kind of right. You know, ten years ago,
when I was part of that intellectual dark Web thing
that took over the Internet, and it was mostly liberal
saying the left is going crazy, right, the regressive left.
And it was Sam Harris and me and the Weinstein
brothers and Jordan Peterson and even Ben Shapiro, although he
was a conservative in many ways, you could argue he
was helping defend a classically liberal America, even if he
disagreed with us on say abortion or death penalty or something. Right,
So it was a left. It was a kind of
group of disaffected lefties trying to stop the left. Now
you can absolutely argue we failed because look what happened
to the Democrat Party. And we fought the good fight,
and it's always worth fighting, but you can surely we
failed because the Democrats have completely lost their minds. And
now all the good Democrats rfk Talse Rogan me Elon
or all Republicans basically right. What I would say is
different on this side is that there is a much
more robust group of people on the right who know
what they believe in why they believe it. Liberals were
all sort of brought together by feelings, you know, like
that's a kind of easy way to explain it. That's
just kind of what's happening right now. And I'll put
the sticker up and and it's just, you know, this
amorphous thing, and that's why the liberals didn't know how
to defend themselves. Douglas Murray has a great line that
one day the barbarians will be at the gate and
will be debating what gender pronouns to call them, and
that's and that's like, that's right to me, right, Like
that's sort of the liberal position, you know, like they're
literally the orcs are like climbing up the wall and
you're like, is that a he or a sha or
you know, it's like the zombious exactly right, exactly exactly.
But but what I would say is people on the right,
particularly conservatives and a lot of religious conservatives especially, they
know what they believe and why they believe it. And
that doesn't mean you can't get pulled in weird directions
because Obviously there's a strange religious element to this, and
there is some portion of people that are just like, ah,
the Jews don't accept our Lord and Savior, so screw them.
So it's not I'm not giving you a perfect thing.
But you know, if you took the Libertarians, okay, they
want the government off your back, it's a position to hold.
The Liberals were just like I just kind of believe
in anything at any point. So I think there is
a much better there's a much better system in place
on the right to push back against this. I know
it feels scary and it's really big. But one last
thing on this, as I tweeted out years ago and
now everyone always says it, Twitter is not real life,
and if you go out and about there are very
few people actually talking about this stuff. And I know
we get lost in that and maybe that feels like
an easy answer or something, but it really is true.
You know, if I was to talk about the twenty
guys I played basketball with every Wednesday night, none of
them are talking about the Jews or anything else. What
do they You know, they love America, they want to
be free, they want to make sure they have a job,
and everything else. So again, success is the great escape
patch for all of this.
Speaker 2: I love ending with that. That is such a note
because you're so right, that's real America and we all
live in it.
Speaker 1: And we know you have to go. But do you
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Speaker 2: Thank you so much today. It's aways a pleasure.
Speaker 3: It was nice you guys. Mhm