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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the Big Blue and Sider Dick Gabriel with

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<v Speaker 1>you in a snowy, icy frigid Friday. And as we speak,

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<v Speaker 1>as you know we pre record, we may be blanketed

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<v Speaker 1>by snow again. But earlier today, before the snow fell,

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<v Speaker 1>Cameron Mills made his way to the garage and you

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<v Speaker 1>will hear that coming up the beginning of our conversation

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<v Speaker 1>at the bottom of this hour. We'll talk some basketball,

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of basketball before that, and of course we'll

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<v Speaker 1>look ahead to Kentucky Mississippi State tomorrow night. That is

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<v Speaker 1>going to be a really tough game. This is a

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<v Speaker 1>really good Mississippi State team in a tough place to play.

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<v Speaker 1>Stark Bill can be quite unforgiving and we'll ask Cameron

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<v Speaker 1>about that. But we'll get his thoughts on what happened

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<v Speaker 1>with the Georgia game as well. I know we'll get

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<v Speaker 1>into officiating. Cameron loses his mind sometimes when we talk

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<v Speaker 1>about referees, but we always have fun talking to Cameron.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll try to stay on point, get off on some

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<v Speaker 1>major tangents at times, but we'll we'll have some fun.

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<v Speaker 1>But before we do that, and before we talk about

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<v Speaker 1>the basketball, Wildcats, both men and women Women got a

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<v Speaker 1>great win yesterday. Got to talk about that game last night.

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<v Speaker 1>Penn State, Notre Dame and I had parenthetically, those were

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<v Speaker 1>two teams that I really rooted for growing up. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I grew up in Louisville, so you kept an eye

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<v Speaker 1>on U of L. You kept an i on UK

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<v Speaker 1>when Corso was a Louisville It was fun. They had

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<v Speaker 1>some wins, but they were usually mediocre.

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>The best Johnny and Nitis ever did at U of L.

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<v Speaker 1>I think was five and five. Anyhow, in Kentucky was

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<v Speaker 1>really struggling under John Ray, So I rooted for Notre Dame.

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<v Speaker 1>Growing up Catholic, I rooted it for Penn State. That

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<v Speaker 1>was my East Coast team. They were really good under

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<v Speaker 1>Joe Pa and I really liked USC OJ and the

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<v Speaker 1>traditional uniforms and all that stuff. And now here they

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<v Speaker 1>are Notre Dame in Penn State playing last night. I

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<v Speaker 1>got off Notre Dame. I wasn't a lou Holtz fan

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<v Speaker 1>at all, and he had success there, but I just

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't a fan. And you know, Penn State under Joe Pa,

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<v Speaker 1>I felt bad, but he needed me fired and I

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<v Speaker 1>said as much and wrote as much, but I just

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<v Speaker 1>kind of lost interest. But here they were playing for

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<v Speaker 1>a shot at the national championship, and I wound up

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<v Speaker 1>rooting for Notre Dame.

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<v Speaker 3>Part of it is I really.

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<v Speaker 1>Like Marcus Freeman, but I'm just not a huge James

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<v Speaker 1>Franklin fan either. And wouldn't you know, And by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>what a great game, back and forth, back and forth.

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<v Speaker 1>Penn State jumped out, looked like they were going to dominate.

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<v Speaker 1>Notre Dame comes back at halftime, and I talk about

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<v Speaker 1>the fact that quote unquote adjustments are always not always,

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<v Speaker 1>but oftentimes overlooked and overblown, and this time Notre Dame

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<v Speaker 1>adjusted whatever they were doing with their run game. It

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't working in the first half. It worked beautifully in

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<v Speaker 1>the second half. But one of the key elements of

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<v Speaker 1>the game, and the TV announcers Sean McDonough and Greg McElroy,

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<v Speaker 1>they made a great point of it before, during, and

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<v Speaker 1>after the game. Then Notre Dame lost its starting quarterback

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<v Speaker 1>for a while, they thought he might have a concussion,

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<v Speaker 1>and their back came in and played extremely well, and

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<v Speaker 1>in fact, he was going to be the starter till

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<v Speaker 1>Riley larn came through the portal from duke and won

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<v Speaker 1>the starting job, but the backup came in and moved

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<v Speaker 1>at the end of the half Notre Dame to a

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<v Speaker 1>field goal and made a ten to three and that

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<v Speaker 1>ended up being huge, and Notre Dame wins on a

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<v Speaker 1>forty one yard field goal at the end of the game.

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<v Speaker 1>And by the way, Mitch Jeter, the kicker, was hurt

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<v Speaker 1>much of the year and their kicking game was the

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<v Speaker 1>worst in America, and ironically enough, a field goal sends

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<v Speaker 1>them to the championship game. But Notre Dame played so well.

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<v Speaker 1>Penn State made the crucial turnover late. Their quarterback in

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<v Speaker 1>the final minute threw a pick. He threw late over

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<v Speaker 1>the middle, and that's one of the mantras. McElroy beat

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<v Speaker 1>it to death on the broadcast, and our own Jeppecoro

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<v Speaker 1>on the UK Radio Network constantly reminds us that with

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<v Speaker 1>an exception or two, because the net's only at the

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<v Speaker 1>quarterback and someone make it work, never throw late over

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<v Speaker 1>the middle because the defense will make you pay. And

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<v Speaker 1>it cost Penn State the game. Notre Dame's kid made

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<v Speaker 1>an incredible diving interception and the Irish moved the ball

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<v Speaker 1>into field goal range and won it. But that game

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<v Speaker 1>might have been decided, if you believe in such things.

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<v Speaker 1>Earlier in the week, Notre Dame's coach.

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<v Speaker 3>Freeman I mentioned, kind of.

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<v Speaker 1>Felt disrespected by James Franklin apparently at the final news

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<v Speaker 1>conference before kickoff and both teams were present, kind of

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<v Speaker 1>a media gathering photo op, that kind of stuff. James

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<v Speaker 1>Franklin kind of playfully asked Freeman how old he was,

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<v Speaker 1>and then he complimented his hairline, and evidently that didn't

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<v Speaker 1>set well with Freeman, Who's I think thirty nine today

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<v Speaker 1>happy birthday, And the players were really ticked off about it,

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<v Speaker 1>and one of their players, Xavier Watts, said coach was angry,

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<v Speaker 1>said he was angry with the whole press conference thing.

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<v Speaker 1>I said all the anger went toward us, and that

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<v Speaker 1>anger went onto the field. So maybe that played a part.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, but they're one of their star players,

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<v Speaker 1>they're running back. Jeremiah Love, who played hurt, played with

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<v Speaker 1>a brace on his knee, said, I'm not going to

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<v Speaker 1>speak on their head coach. We felt like their team

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<v Speaker 1>didn't really respect us. We wanted to come into this

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<v Speaker 1>game make a statement. Be the aggressors dominate them physically.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the message to be physical and play violent the

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<v Speaker 1>whole game. Well they didn't. They only did in the

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<v Speaker 1>second half, but that was enough. They wanted twenty seven

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<v Speaker 1>to twenty four. Now they play the winner of tonight's game,

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<v Speaker 1>Texas out of the SEC and Ohio State. I do

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<v Speaker 1>like Ohio State in that one, but if it's anything

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<v Speaker 1>like a last night's game, it's.

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<v Speaker 3>Going to be a good one. And I urge you

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<v Speaker 3>to keep an eye on it.

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<v Speaker 1>By the way, all that' stuff, ugh that Jeremiah Love

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<v Speaker 1>was saying, playing with a chip on the shoulder, that's

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<v Speaker 1>sound familiar. The best Mark Stoops teams played that way.

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<v Speaker 1>One other football note, Carson Beck says he will come back.

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<v Speaker 1>He's not going to go to the NFL Draft, but

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<v Speaker 1>he may not go back to Georgia. Pete Thamil of

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<v Speaker 1>ESPN is reporting that Miami is the favorite right now

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<v Speaker 1>to lead to land Carson Beck because his girlfriend, Hannah

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<v Speaker 1>Cavender plays for the Miami basketball team, one of the

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<v Speaker 1>Cavender twins, very attractive blondes who are hot property when

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<v Speaker 1>it comes to nil dollars, and Carson Beck may be

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<v Speaker 1>down in Coral Gables when the season begins next year.

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<v Speaker 1>So stay tuned on that. Mark Pope and Wildcats are

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<v Speaker 1>already in Starkfield. They got the game plan in place

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<v Speaker 1>and they have been working on fixing things. Of course,

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<v Speaker 1>somebody pointed out in the news conference yesterday that all

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<v Speaker 1>three Kentucky losses were similar in the way the Wildcats

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<v Speaker 1>were eating, you know, that they were having a hard

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<v Speaker 1>time with physicality, that they weren't being consistent with the

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<v Speaker 1>way they attacked. They kind of got away from what

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<v Speaker 1>they were supposed to be doing.

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<v Speaker 3>And Pope agreed that.

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<v Speaker 1>The fact that they were also the losses were consistent,

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<v Speaker 1>meant that it made it a little bit easier for

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<v Speaker 1>the coaching staff to work on fixing things.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, we love trends as coaches, right, You love trends

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<v Speaker 4>because trends are easy to attack, you know, And there

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<v Speaker 4>have been some trends in the three losses. But the

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<v Speaker 4>trends get a little bit more murky when you include

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<v Speaker 4>the wins, because some of the same things have happened

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<v Speaker 4>in the winds, right, So so that's when it gets

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<v Speaker 4>really interesting. But yes, for sure, we love trends. I

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<v Speaker 4>love all the trends, except for any trend that has

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<v Speaker 4>to do with els, right, so but you know that's

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<v Speaker 4>what you do. Like we're patterned seekers. You want to

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<v Speaker 4>go find patterns. You want to go things that wear

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<v Speaker 4>their heads more than once because those are easy to

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<v Speaker 4>they're more tangible, and they're more easy to address for sure,

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<v Speaker 4>like because it gives you something that's, like I said,

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<v Speaker 4>this tangible that you can really focus on.

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<v Speaker 1>Well also said there were good things of course that

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<v Speaker 1>they need to hang on too, that they notice in

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<v Speaker 1>terms of trends. But yeah, you got to clean things

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<v Speaker 1>up and we'll see how well they do it. You'll

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<v Speaker 1>hear it tomorrow night right here, eight thirty tip off

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<v Speaker 1>seven o'clock for UK Network, covered six o'clock for a

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<v Speaker 1>KSR local coverage. So we'll have it for you with

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<v Speaker 1>Tom and Jack and Cameron and Dave who and Cameron

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<v Speaker 1>of course will join us coming up at the bottom

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<v Speaker 1>of the hour. A note from UK Football which I

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<v Speaker 1>mentioned earlier. Kentucky getting interest or at least is interested

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<v Speaker 1>in a tight end from Montana State who has an

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<v Speaker 1>offer from the Wildcats. Rohan Jones six ' three, two

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<v Speaker 1>thirty five. His team played for an FCS national championship

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<v Speaker 1>but lost to North Dakota State. Again Montana State won

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<v Speaker 1>the title forty years ago and was fifteen and oho

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<v Speaker 1>going into the game. North Dakota State was thirteen and

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<v Speaker 1>two but won its tenth national championship. Montana State has

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<v Speaker 1>lost each of the last six games against North Dakota State,

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<v Speaker 1>all in the SCS playoffs since twenty to ten, and

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<v Speaker 1>the final was thirty five to thirty two. Despite the

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<v Speaker 1>fact that Montana State quarterback Tommy Malott, who was the

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<v Speaker 1>Walter Payton Award winner as the best offensive player in

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<v Speaker 1>the country at the FCS level, ran for one hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and thirty five yards on fourteen carries and hit on

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<v Speaker 1>two touchdowns, but they came up short, and now the

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<v Speaker 1>Wildcats are interested in a Montana State tight end even

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<v Speaker 1>though they got some talent at that position.

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<v Speaker 4>Well.

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<v Speaker 1>Here from Kenny Brooks next year on six thirty WLAP

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back to the Big Moon Sider coming up in

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<v Speaker 1>just a few minutes. Cameron Mills of the UK Radio

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<v Speaker 1>Network two time national champion joined us here in the

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<v Speaker 1>garage as he often does, to talk about not just

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<v Speaker 1>the Wildcats, but his former teammate Mark Pope, now the

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<v Speaker 1>head coach, as you will know, and we'll talk about

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<v Speaker 1>what he has seen so far. But we do get

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<v Speaker 1>off topic. A warning if you've never heard one of

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<v Speaker 1>our shows, welcome with Cameron and yours truly, but we.

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<v Speaker 3>Often get off on some tangents.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think that'll happen much today because we have

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<v Speaker 1>so much to discuss. So that's coming up in just

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<v Speaker 1>a few minutes, starting at the bottom of the hour.

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<v Speaker 1>The he'lp you with us till the end of the show.

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<v Speaker 1>But we always have a lot of fun with Cameron

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<v Speaker 1>and one of the things we will talk about is

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<v Speaker 1>UK women's basketball man Kenny Brooks. He's got this team

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<v Speaker 1>roll in fourteen and one, three and zero thanks to

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<v Speaker 1>last night, and if you heard it right here on

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<v Speaker 1>six thirty WLAP, as Darren Hedrick called it, Wildcats raced

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<v Speaker 1>off to lead the gru too as big as twenty

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<v Speaker 1>four points. It got whittled down to about fourteen midway

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<v Speaker 1>through the second half, but Kentucky hung on, didn't really

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<v Speaker 1>seventy one to fifty five, and just another tremendous effort

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<v Speaker 1>by Georgia Amore. She had eighteen points. She did have

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<v Speaker 1>six turnovers, but four steals four assists. Kentucky had thirteen steals,

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<v Speaker 1>forced a total of twenty turnovers by the Gators. Thirteen

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<v Speaker 1>twenty five to just seven for the Gators. Kentucky did

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<v Speaker 1>turn it over thirteen times, as I said, anymore had

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<v Speaker 1>almost half of those, but Florida only capitalized minimally with

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<v Speaker 1>just the seven points. So in case you're wondering, by

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<v Speaker 1>the way, because I was, Yeah, it's the SEC. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's tough, and the schedule's tough. Next up for the

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<v Speaker 1>taking on Auburn. It will be on the SEC network,

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<v Speaker 1>but we urge you to tune in Darren two forty

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<v Speaker 1>five pregame three o'clock tip. But then after that they

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<v Speaker 1>back with Arkansas Alabama. Skip ahead to the end of

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<v Speaker 1>the schedule. That's what you're wondering about. I've got to

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<v Speaker 1>think listen to the last three games for Kenny Brooks's

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<v Speaker 1>team in the SEC Sunday, February twenty third, LSU here

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<v Speaker 1>in Lexington, Tennessee here in Lexington. That's the following Thursday,

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<v Speaker 1>and then on Sunday the last game of the year

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<v Speaker 1>South Carolina, which has lost some games, but still by then,

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<v Speaker 1>you know it's going to be playing its best. So

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<v Speaker 1>the last three games and you know what, that's murderer's row,

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<v Speaker 1>but it honestly it's probably for the best because, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>they're going to be the three toughest games, at least

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<v Speaker 1>theoretically for the UK women, But they come at the

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<v Speaker 1>end of the year and just think if they can

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<v Speaker 1>pull off at least one win, how they'll position themselves

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<v Speaker 1>for a run through the SEC and the NCA tournament.

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<v Speaker 1>It's going to be interesting. And again, a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>those games are in electioningon. And believe it or not,

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<v Speaker 1>there was a good Kentucky crowd in.

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<v Speaker 3>Gainesville last night. You might have been able to hear

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<v Speaker 3>it if you watched or listened. I did both.

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<v Speaker 1>Watched and then I pulled up Daron synced it up

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<v Speaker 1>with the iHeart app and Kenny Brooks said the crowd

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<v Speaker 2>And they gave us a little bit of a boost.

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<v Speaker 5>Now it wasn't our best performance, but we got some

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<v Speaker 5>juice from them. And even when Florida, you know, made

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<v Speaker 2>Aided by.

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<v Speaker 5>Obviously weather in the storm, but also because you know,

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<v Speaker 2>So, you know, that's our goal.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, Kentucky is, you know, a basketball state, and

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<v Speaker 5>obviously there's a lot of history on the other side.

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<v Speaker 5>We want to do our best to create some history

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<v Speaker 5>on our side so people can be excited about it.

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<v Speaker 1>So it helped Kentucky went on the road. Anytime you

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<v Speaker 1>went on the road anywhere any sport, it's big. And

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<v Speaker 1>think about this too. With the team that he had

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<v Speaker 1>to cobble together almost from scratch, a lot like Mark Pope,

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<v Speaker 1>Kenny Brooks and his players are experiencing the Southeastern Conference

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<v Speaker 1>for the first time, especially on the road. Of course,

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<v Speaker 1>he came from the ACC he knew that league inside out,

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<v Speaker 1>had a lot of success there, took Virginia Tech to

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<v Speaker 1>the Final four at one point. But now he's kind

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<v Speaker 1>of starting over when he's learning, you know, some of

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<v Speaker 1>the coaches of course, either he's played against them, knows.

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<v Speaker 3>Them by rep or whatever. But when you go.

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<v Speaker 1>On on the road, I mean, in a minute's first

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<v Speaker 1>time he coached the team in Gainesville. That's pretty much

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<v Speaker 1>the case throughout the Southeastern Conference.

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<v Speaker 2>Obviously.

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<v Speaker 5>Every time we go to a venue, I'm probably there

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<v Speaker 5>for the first time. Its first time I've ever been

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<v Speaker 5>to the University of Florida, and you know, we're just

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<v Speaker 5>we're just trying to get used to it. You know,

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<v Speaker 5>I think Georgia alluded to it a few games back,

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<v Speaker 5>which we're almost naive. We're just okay, hey, let's go

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<v Speaker 5>into this venue, and if we just focus on ourselves,

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<v Speaker 5>then we focus on ourselves. It's not something that this

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<v Speaker 5>group is doing a really good job of and just

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<v Speaker 5>trying to continue to get better and better and better.

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<v Speaker 5>That's the main That's the main thing. Make the main

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<v Speaker 5>thing the main thing. But it's a She'll probably attest

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<v Speaker 5>to this. It's it's a physical league.

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<v Speaker 3>Just like a SEC men's basketball.

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<v Speaker 1>Women's basketball is so much more physical now than it

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<v Speaker 1>has ever been, and it is probably played at a

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<v Speaker 1>higher level and that's ever been played. Because the sport

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<v Speaker 1>is growing and the coaching is getting better, the facilities

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<v Speaker 1>are getting better, so it's a pretty tough order to

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<v Speaker 1>try to work your way up. Kentucky's done it before

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<v Speaker 1>in the SEC. I'm talking about when Matthew Mitchell was

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<v Speaker 1>the head coach. Yeah, the Cats won an SEC tournament

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<v Speaker 1>championship under kyra Elzi won an SEC title back in

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<v Speaker 1>the day with Valerie still but this league now is

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<v Speaker 1>so much more athletic than it used to be. But

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<v Speaker 1>this is an athletic Kentucky team that can make shots,

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<v Speaker 1>has a lot of size, but quite frankly, it's not

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<v Speaker 1>as physically strong I don't think as some of these

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<v Speaker 1>other SEC teams I've seen on TV and women's basketball.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's going to be interesting as this Kentucky team

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<v Speaker 1>gets better and better under a pretty good coach and

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<v Speaker 1>Kenny Brooks, and then finishes up with a run of

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<v Speaker 1>what are going to be some really really interesting games.

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<v Speaker 1>And by then, of course, those teams will have Kentucky

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<v Speaker 1>scouted and figured out and vice versa. You know, the

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<v Speaker 1>Kenny Brooks and his staff will have, you know, a

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<v Speaker 1>huge mouth of information and video on those teams. So

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<v Speaker 1>it's going to be fun. And the way this Kentucky

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<v Speaker 1>team behind Georgia Amore is getting it done. But Amelia

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<v Speaker 1>Hassett Georgia Amore was talking. She was interviewed on television

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<v Speaker 1>after the game, and she said Amelia might be the

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<v Speaker 1>biggest surprise. She only had five points, but five rebounds

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<v Speaker 1>and a couple of assists yesterday in thirty one minutes.

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<v Speaker 1>But Amore said, here, Amelia comes from junior college and

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<v Speaker 1>she is starting for Kentucky and playing really, really well.

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<v Speaker 1>And Dejah Lawrence four of eight from beyond Him Heart

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<v Speaker 1>by the Arc, had a huge three pointer down the stretch.

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<v Speaker 1>And of course Clara Strack, who came over from Tech

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<v Speaker 1>at twelve points and eight rebounds, six foot five and

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<v Speaker 3>By the way, how about that.

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<v Speaker 1>Brought the ball up the floor at one point. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>not a lot of depth. Two Kentucky's best players are

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<v Speaker 1>injured out for the year, so a lot of minutes

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<v Speaker 1>played by a very few. But they've just got to

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<v Speaker 1>figure it out as they go along. But one final

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<v Speaker 1>note on that game, twenty four point lead, almost got it, well,

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<v Speaker 1>I will say almost got away, but Florida made a

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<v Speaker 1>run and Aymore said later we knew they were going

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<v Speaker 1>to because that's what they do. Kenny Brooks never called time,

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<v Speaker 1>and I know a lot of fans out there they get.

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<v Speaker 3>So narrow, aren't you calling time out?

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<v Speaker 1>Kenny Brooks made it a point to say I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>call time because I feel like when the other teams

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<v Speaker 1>make it a run like that, we need to learn

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<v Speaker 1>how to figure it out. The players on the floor

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<v Speaker 1>need to learn how to figure it out on their

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<v Speaker 1>own and stop it. And Kentucky did that. Wildcats got

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<v Speaker 1>back into their stuff offensively, got a better shot and

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<v Speaker 1>hit it and stopped the Florida run and rebuilt the lead.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought that was pretty interesting. That's something we'll talk

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<v Speaker 1>about with Cam, as well as a lot of other

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<v Speaker 1>stuff on the other side of the break. Here on

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<v Speaker 1>the Big Bloon Sider six thirty Welcome back to the

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<v Speaker 1>Big Blue and Sider. We are here in the garage.

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<v Speaker 1>As we said with Cameron Mills, who we thought if

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<v Speaker 1>be here. Well, probably falling as we speak, but we

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<v Speaker 1>pre record. Uh, it was going to be a zoom call.

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<v Speaker 1>But no, the streak is alive.

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<v Speaker 2>Here is cameronage even zoom. I mean it's better than

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<v Speaker 2>just on the phone, but this is just better. I

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<v Speaker 2>mean you and I. It's like doing zoom calls for

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<v Speaker 2>business or if I'm there for I mean when I

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<v Speaker 2>I mean locally, it's care Tender's Home Health, Lifeline Home Health,

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<v Speaker 2>and Commonwealth Home Health. If everybody's interested, I should have

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<v Speaker 2>a sound effect ready for that. Yeah, we actually yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>They can say that again.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh, Lifeline home Health, care Tender's Home Health, Commonwealth Home Health.

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<v Speaker 3>Have gone yep.

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<v Speaker 2>As right now, we're taking care of a very a

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<v Speaker 2>very a very famous local person. But I'm you know, hippolos.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not allowed to tell you who, but.

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<v Speaker 3>Checked in there. I'll get it out.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, I'll tell you checked in ut because it's it's

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<v Speaker 3>But here you are.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>And before we go one nano second further, you were

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<v Speaker 1>telling me right before we began to record.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I don't think I knew this.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm surprised I'm hurt you.

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<v Speaker 1>We were talking about the media, but you didn't know

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<v Speaker 1>how you and I are now good friends. But yes,

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<v Speaker 1>I was covering your team. Obviously.

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<v Speaker 3>I only knew you as a UK player.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, and I only knew you all as the enemy.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right, Yeah, as it should be, totally wrong, as

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<v Speaker 2>it should be. You all asked all these questions that

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<v Speaker 2>are none of your business. You take it out of

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<v Speaker 2>the world of sports. Question is rude?

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<v Speaker 3>What is it going to take to be George? What

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<v Speaker 3>I mean?

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<v Speaker 2>That's Obie Braya're gonna play tonight?

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<v Speaker 1>How's that you're all's business because we're covering the team anyway? Apparently,

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<v Speaker 1>And I swear to you, I don't remember this all that.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a long time ago.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, your parents, uh huh?

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<v Speaker 3>After you all won the ninety eight champion.

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<v Speaker 2>The week after what the week after my scene, the

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<v Speaker 2>week after my career was over at the University Kentucky.

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<v Speaker 2>My parents, unbeknownst to me at the time, they did

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<v Speaker 2>not check with me. They did not ask me. They

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<v Speaker 2>just they and and I look back on this not

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<v Speaker 2>only with great fondness, but just thinking, God, leave my

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<v Speaker 2>of that, because I've been told by several members of

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<v Speaker 2>the local media that it was one that they've never

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<v Speaker 2>had it happen before. Don't know if it's ever happened again,

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<v Speaker 2>but it was one of the is one of the sweetest,

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<v Speaker 2>classiest things they've ever had. Anybody ever to do. So

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<v Speaker 2>my parents sent an enormous fruit basket to the Herald Leader,

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<v Speaker 2>to Channel thirty six, Channel twenty seven, Channel eighteen. Don't

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<v Speaker 2>to the other radio stations. But uh yeah, just in

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<v Speaker 2>a big fruit basket. And if you want, if I'll

422
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<v Speaker 2>tell you the person who remembers this the most is

423
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<v Speaker 2>Ryan Lemon. Ryan Lemon reminds me of it all the

424
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<v Speaker 2>light teen back then. Yes, he was at Channel eighteen.

425
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<v Speaker 2>I don't see.

426
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<v Speaker 3>I don't think I even knew that we were.

427
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<v Speaker 2>Well, it was in part for you. There were pairs

428
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<v Speaker 2>in there specifically picked out for you.

429
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<v Speaker 3>Wow.

430
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<v Speaker 2>But anyway, it was just a thank you, and I

431
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<v Speaker 2>think the note basically said thank you for all the

432
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<v Speaker 2>kind coverage of our son over the last really eight

433
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<v Speaker 2>years because of you know, when I was at high

434
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<v Speaker 2>school Drumbar and when I found that out, I was

435
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<v Speaker 2>just like well, I mean, like well done. Like I mean,

436
00:22:50.200 --> 00:22:52.000
<v Speaker 2>it was like because I didn't know, and I think

437
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<v Speaker 2>I didn't know for like a year or so. I

438
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<v Speaker 2>honestly feel like I honestly feel like Ryan Lemon may

439
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<v Speaker 2>have been the person to tell me, like ten years later.

440
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<v Speaker 3>You were you good with it when you found out?

441
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<v Speaker 3>Or were you embarrassed? Oh?

442
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<v Speaker 2>No, I was, Oh I was. I was, well, I'm

443
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<v Speaker 2>I'm certainly great with it now. I assume I was

444
00:23:07.200 --> 00:23:09.319
<v Speaker 2>great with it then because I just thought what a

445
00:23:09.359 --> 00:23:12.279
<v Speaker 2>smart thing to do. I mean, because look good or

446
00:23:12.319 --> 00:23:16.559
<v Speaker 2>bad coverage, Coverage is coverage, and you guys for them

447
00:23:16.599 --> 00:23:18.480
<v Speaker 2>for them. I mean, honestly, I can't think of any

448
00:23:18.559 --> 00:23:23.680
<v Speaker 2>anytime you weren't. But I mean I I personally don't

449
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<v Speaker 2>think I ever had any what I would you know,

450
00:23:25.599 --> 00:23:28.279
<v Speaker 2>truly negative coverage or anything like that.

451
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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I think what you were SA significant. I mean,

452
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<v Speaker 3>with all due respect.

453
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<v Speaker 2>I can't wait a minute landscape. First of all, I

454
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<v Speaker 2>was not when I was a dunbar no, no, no, at

455
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<v Speaker 2>Dunbar you were. Yes, I will I will agree that

456
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<v Speaker 2>I was significant for two and a half years exactly.

457
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<v Speaker 1>But what I was getting to was when you suddenly

458
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<v Speaker 1>had your breakout.

459
00:23:51.359 --> 00:23:53.039
<v Speaker 2>Moments exploded onto the scene.

460
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<v Speaker 1>You absolutely did, Plus you also amplified that by doing

461
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<v Speaker 1>what what.

462
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<v Speaker 2>Do you mean?

463
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<v Speaker 3>Remember?

464
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<v Speaker 1>No, what you were not only making as well your

465
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<v Speaker 1>play on the court. But there was a moment there

466
00:24:06.799 --> 00:24:09.319
<v Speaker 1>and I think it might have been during the ninety

467
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<v Speaker 1>eighth season.

468
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, when you.

469
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<v Speaker 3>Kind of got into the fans.

470
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<v Speaker 2>A little oh yeah, that was ninety eight. That was

471
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<v Speaker 2>that was a good copy for about four days. Well

472
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<v Speaker 2>but what you yes, and we and we I'll talk

473
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<v Speaker 2>about that because that was I don't remember.

474
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<v Speaker 1>We were in the back hallway at the coliseum post

475
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<v Speaker 1>practice or something.

476
00:24:25.640 --> 00:24:28.039
<v Speaker 2>That was the day after I did that. Let me

477
00:24:28.160 --> 00:24:29.400
<v Speaker 2>let me tell you this story. Then we'll get into

478
00:24:29.440 --> 00:24:29.680
<v Speaker 2>that one.

479
00:24:29.759 --> 00:24:32.519
<v Speaker 1>So at some point, folks, we're going to talk about

480
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<v Speaker 1>this show.

481
00:24:33.039 --> 00:24:35.039
<v Speaker 2>I doubt it. I doubt it. That's that's usually not

482
00:24:35.079 --> 00:24:38.839
<v Speaker 2>what happens when you and I get together. But one

483
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<v Speaker 2>of the smart things I did, and one of the

484
00:24:41.240 --> 00:24:43.039
<v Speaker 2>one of the good I mean, even when I was

485
00:24:43.119 --> 00:24:47.079
<v Speaker 2>insignificant as a player, I was not insignificant as a

486
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<v Speaker 2>sound bite, true because and I always found it funny,

487
00:24:51.119 --> 00:24:54.920
<v Speaker 2>though wonderful, that we would have just gotten done playing

488
00:24:54.960 --> 00:24:58.759
<v Speaker 2>a game that I did not even play it, and

489
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<v Speaker 2>I would have, you know, I wouldn't have the throng

490
00:25:01.799 --> 00:25:04.440
<v Speaker 2>of all of the media around my chair asking me questions,

491
00:25:04.519 --> 00:25:06.640
<v Speaker 2>but I would still have people, you know, I'd still

492
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<v Speaker 2>be put on camera, people asking because and this is

493
00:25:10.119 --> 00:25:12.799
<v Speaker 2>no offense to my teammates, and certainly not even all

494
00:25:12.839 --> 00:25:14.960
<v Speaker 2>of them, but some of them struggled in front of

495
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<v Speaker 2>the microphone, especially freshman year. I've never struggled in front

496
00:25:19.279 --> 00:25:23.559
<v Speaker 2>of a microphone. At least I've struggled to be concise.

497
00:25:23.799 --> 00:25:26.559
<v Speaker 2>I've struggled to get my point across. Sometimes I have

498
00:25:26.680 --> 00:25:30.839
<v Speaker 2>not struggled to keep the words flowing. And for you all,

499
00:25:30.960 --> 00:25:33.920
<v Speaker 2>especially in TV, I mean, you know, the more I talk,

500
00:25:34.039 --> 00:25:35.799
<v Speaker 2>the more I mean, the less you all had to work.

501
00:25:36.119 --> 00:25:38.039
<v Speaker 2>So I had people around me all the time and

502
00:25:38.079 --> 00:25:40.599
<v Speaker 2>then and so that that was a good thing, and that,

503
00:25:40.759 --> 00:25:42.519
<v Speaker 2>honestly is one of the things that kind of encouraged

504
00:25:42.559 --> 00:25:44.880
<v Speaker 2>me to keep doing media when I got done playing

505
00:25:44.880 --> 00:25:47.240
<v Speaker 2>and then adopt you as my media mentor, which I

506
00:25:47.480 --> 00:25:51.400
<v Speaker 2>mentioned several times, and then yeah, So in ninety eight

507
00:25:53.119 --> 00:25:58.839
<v Speaker 2>we were it was against Tennessee at home, and I

508
00:25:58.880 --> 00:26:02.680
<v Speaker 2>think that I don't know what the date was, see

509
00:26:03.440 --> 00:26:05.240
<v Speaker 2>I don't I'm not sure exactly what the date was,

510
00:26:05.559 --> 00:26:09.240
<v Speaker 2>but I think it was after our last loss. So

511
00:26:09.279 --> 00:26:12.640
<v Speaker 2>it was after the Old Miss game of Valentine's Day

512
00:26:12.720 --> 00:26:16.279
<v Speaker 2>nineteen ninety eight, and it was one of these things where, Okay,

513
00:26:16.799 --> 00:26:21.119
<v Speaker 2>we've we as a team are now sold out. So

514
00:26:21.279 --> 00:26:23.960
<v Speaker 2>I mean we we are, we are in on Tubby

515
00:26:24.000 --> 00:26:27.480
<v Speaker 2>Smith and what we need to do as a team. Now,

516
00:26:27.599 --> 00:26:29.160
<v Speaker 2>I didn't know we were going to go undefeated the

517
00:26:29.160 --> 00:26:30.839
<v Speaker 2>rest of the year, but what I did know is

518
00:26:30.880 --> 00:26:35.720
<v Speaker 2>there had been a completely active commitment that we had

519
00:26:35.799 --> 00:26:38.200
<v Speaker 2>made to a do guys, this is it and for

520
00:26:38.279 --> 00:26:40.160
<v Speaker 2>guys like Alan Netwards and Jeff Shepherd and I this

521
00:26:40.440 --> 00:26:43.119
<v Speaker 2>was it. Yeah. And then as it turned out, for

522
00:26:43.200 --> 00:26:44.799
<v Speaker 2>nause Mohammad as well, who wound up going to the

523
00:26:44.880 --> 00:26:48.640
<v Speaker 2>NBA after that. So it was it was we had

524
00:26:48.680 --> 00:26:51.759
<v Speaker 2>sold out. And so we're playing Tennessee at home. We've

525
00:26:51.759 --> 00:26:54.559
<v Speaker 2>got a I'm gonna guess I could be dead wrong

526
00:26:54.599 --> 00:26:56.160
<v Speaker 2>on this, but I don't know, a ten point lead

527
00:26:56.240 --> 00:26:59.079
<v Speaker 2>or something, and or maybe it's close to that, maybe

528
00:26:59.079 --> 00:27:01.880
<v Speaker 2>it's four or five. Maybe I don't know, but I'm

529
00:27:01.880 --> 00:27:04.720
<v Speaker 2>sitting on the bench. I'm standing on the bench. And again,

530
00:27:04.759 --> 00:27:06.480
<v Speaker 2>this is when I was playing, so I was in

531
00:27:06.519 --> 00:27:08.279
<v Speaker 2>and out of the game, but I'm over on the bench.

532
00:27:08.359 --> 00:27:12.480
<v Speaker 2>And this was when the student section was directly behind us, right,

533
00:27:12.519 --> 00:27:14.680
<v Speaker 2>and then they kind of went up on that on

534
00:27:14.720 --> 00:27:16.480
<v Speaker 2>that corner piece, and then all the way up to

535
00:27:16.519 --> 00:27:19.920
<v Speaker 2>the upp arena. The eruption zone did not exist yet,

536
00:27:20.319 --> 00:27:24.440
<v Speaker 2>and I just I'm sitting there and I'm like, it

537
00:27:24.559 --> 00:27:29.160
<v Speaker 2>is too quiet in here. And I know Rupp has

538
00:27:29.160 --> 00:27:33.759
<v Speaker 2>that that reputation sometimes, but I was finished with it

539
00:27:33.839 --> 00:27:37.039
<v Speaker 2>at that point. I was done. It looked if, yes,

540
00:27:37.119 --> 00:27:39.960
<v Speaker 2>if we're gonna sell out and put our blood, sweat

541
00:27:40.000 --> 00:27:41.799
<v Speaker 2>and tears on this court, then you'll have better put

542
00:27:41.839 --> 00:27:43.640
<v Speaker 2>your blood, sweat and tears up there in that crowd.

543
00:27:44.039 --> 00:27:46.839
<v Speaker 2>And if you're not going to, then stop complaining about

544
00:27:46.960 --> 00:27:50.039
<v Speaker 2>us winning and losing games. And so I and I

545
00:27:50.200 --> 00:27:52.400
<v Speaker 2>and I struggled with when I was going to do this.

546
00:27:52.480 --> 00:27:54.400
<v Speaker 2>I remember sitting on the bench like, all right, am

547
00:27:54.440 --> 00:27:55.920
<v Speaker 2>I gonna do this because I feel like I need

548
00:27:55.920 --> 00:27:58.039
<v Speaker 2>to do this. Yeah, oh yeah, Oh no, no, no,

549
00:27:58.079 --> 00:27:59.839
<v Speaker 2>it was. I thought about it for a good thirty

550
00:28:00.039 --> 00:28:03.200
<v Speaker 2>in it thirty seconds to a minute, and then I decided,

551
00:28:03.279 --> 00:28:06.119
<v Speaker 2>I'm I'm going for it. So I stood up on

552
00:28:06.160 --> 00:28:09.559
<v Speaker 2>the chair on the bench. Immediately was worried about is

553
00:28:09.559 --> 00:28:12.759
<v Speaker 2>that chair gonna fold in? And I'm gonna fall? Because again,

554
00:28:12.839 --> 00:28:14.799
<v Speaker 2>last thing you wanna do is trip reparena.

555
00:28:15.440 --> 00:28:16.319
<v Speaker 3>How did you get hurt?

556
00:28:16.559 --> 00:28:19.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeall, well, I was gonna yell at a bunch of fans,

557
00:28:19.279 --> 00:28:21.960
<v Speaker 2>which is always a smart thing to do. But anyway,

558
00:28:22.000 --> 00:28:23.519
<v Speaker 2>so yeah, I stood up on the on the stands.

559
00:28:23.559 --> 00:28:27.119
<v Speaker 2>I I I turned around, I dressed the students, and

560
00:28:27.200 --> 00:28:29.160
<v Speaker 2>I said something in fact as loud as I could,

561
00:28:29.200 --> 00:28:32.480
<v Speaker 2>because it's it's still repperena, twenty four thousand people in there.

562
00:28:32.759 --> 00:28:38.440
<v Speaker 2>Hey y'all make some freaking noise. And I did, I

563
00:28:38.440 --> 00:28:41.680
<v Speaker 2>did say freaking yeah. Uh well, I mean I wasn't

564
00:28:41.680 --> 00:28:43.680
<v Speaker 2>gonna I was gonna yell the other word. And and

565
00:28:43.720 --> 00:28:46.359
<v Speaker 2>even though I could use the occasionally, I usually didn't.

566
00:28:47.640 --> 00:28:51.279
<v Speaker 2>And I remember one student, one student yelled back at me,

567
00:28:51.599 --> 00:28:54.160
<v Speaker 2>or yelled yelled at everyone else, that's right. And then

568
00:28:54.160 --> 00:28:59.200
<v Speaker 2>the student section kind of like slowly grew in in

569
00:28:59.200 --> 00:29:02.279
<v Speaker 2>in in excited and the next day is what you're

570
00:29:02.279 --> 00:29:04.400
<v Speaker 2>referring to, and the world call seem for media day

571
00:29:04.400 --> 00:29:08.200
<v Speaker 2>because we won that game. I was, I mean, I

572
00:29:08.200 --> 00:29:10.960
<v Speaker 2>had everybody around me because apparently that was a big deal, right,

573
00:29:11.440 --> 00:29:14.960
<v Speaker 2>And so I was asked by everyone like it may

574
00:29:14.960 --> 00:29:17.640
<v Speaker 2>have been even been you one of them. Do you

575
00:29:17.720 --> 00:29:23.880
<v Speaker 2>regret what you said? And I said no, And then

576
00:29:23.880 --> 00:29:26.759
<v Speaker 2>I went back into my tirade, like, don't come to

577
00:29:26.799 --> 00:29:30.839
<v Speaker 2>the games to be quiet. If you want us to

578
00:29:30.880 --> 00:29:33.279
<v Speaker 2>give all we have, then you give.

579
00:29:33.119 --> 00:29:33.720
<v Speaker 3>All you have.

580
00:29:34.240 --> 00:29:36.680
<v Speaker 2>This is a team, I mean, and Mark Pope made

581
00:29:36.680 --> 00:29:40.160
<v Speaker 2>it clear. This is our team, not the team's team,

582
00:29:40.240 --> 00:29:43.200
<v Speaker 2>not Mark's team, not this is all of our teams.

583
00:29:43.519 --> 00:29:46.359
<v Speaker 3>So not back then Pope made Oh.

584
00:29:46.279 --> 00:29:47.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he made he made it. H You're right, he

585
00:29:47.920 --> 00:29:49.640
<v Speaker 2>made David hiding the treft parmers. So you know what,

586
00:29:50.039 --> 00:29:52.200
<v Speaker 2>if this is all of our team and you expect

587
00:29:52.279 --> 00:29:53.759
<v Speaker 2>us to give one hundred and ten percent, then you

588
00:29:53.759 --> 00:29:55.279
<v Speaker 2>better if freaking give one hundred and ten percent when

589
00:29:55.319 --> 00:29:55.799
<v Speaker 2>you come to rupt.

590
00:29:56.119 --> 00:29:58.319
<v Speaker 1>I don't think you've ever told me that complete story.

591
00:29:58.359 --> 00:30:00.319
<v Speaker 1>But I'm honored to have been a part of it.

592
00:30:01.279 --> 00:30:03.119
<v Speaker 1>I'm honored to have camera Mills here in the garage

593
00:30:03.160 --> 00:30:05.160
<v Speaker 1>We're going to talk about Pope and the team when

594
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<v Speaker 1>we come back here in the Big Bloon Sider six

595
00:30:07.279 --> 00:30:08.240
<v Speaker 1>thirty w LP.

596
00:30:08.759 --> 00:30:10.160
<v Speaker 3>Welcome back to the Big Bloon Sider.

597
00:30:10.200 --> 00:30:13.000
<v Speaker 1>Camera Mills is here in the garage, and we've been

598
00:30:13.039 --> 00:30:16.920
<v Speaker 1>talking about Rapperina of the fans back when he was playing,

599
00:30:17.519 --> 00:30:20.319
<v Speaker 1>and are are fans better now the same?

600
00:30:22.720 --> 00:30:26.119
<v Speaker 2>I don't know from that perspective, because the thing is

601
00:30:26.200 --> 00:30:28.599
<v Speaker 2>is that and we've seen it this year. There are

602
00:30:28.640 --> 00:30:32.720
<v Speaker 2>sometimes the fans come in for a church service. Yeah, right,

603
00:30:33.480 --> 00:30:35.119
<v Speaker 2>and again not all of them. I mean I can

604
00:30:35.200 --> 00:30:38.440
<v Speaker 2>always go to my upper deckers. My upper deckers, they're

605
00:30:38.519 --> 00:30:40.640
<v Speaker 2>nuts because again they don't have the greatest seats in

606
00:30:40.640 --> 00:30:42.640
<v Speaker 2>the house. A lot of them. Man, this is the

607
00:30:42.680 --> 00:30:45.079
<v Speaker 2>only game they've ever come to, they'll ever gets come to.

608
00:30:46.359 --> 00:30:47.599
<v Speaker 2>They'll sit up there and go crazy.

609
00:30:48.440 --> 00:30:50.680
<v Speaker 1>But you know what's unfortunate about that is because of

610
00:30:50.720 --> 00:30:54.160
<v Speaker 1>the height of the of the roof. Yeah, most of

611
00:30:54.200 --> 00:30:55.920
<v Speaker 1>the most of the noise, but a great deal of

612
00:30:55.920 --> 00:30:57.319
<v Speaker 1>that noise is lost.

613
00:30:57.079 --> 00:30:58.240
<v Speaker 3>If you're downstairs.

614
00:30:58.559 --> 00:31:02.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean everything rises, so you know there there

615
00:31:02.160 --> 00:31:05.599
<v Speaker 1>are fourteen Yeah, when it was twenty four thousan ten

616
00:31:05.680 --> 00:31:10.039
<v Speaker 1>thousand downstairs, fourteen thousand rushstairs. Yes, so there's more noise upstairs,

617
00:31:10.400 --> 00:31:12.279
<v Speaker 1>but some of it doesn't make it down to the floor.

618
00:31:12.359 --> 00:31:14.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and a lot of times the noise upstairs is louder,

619
00:31:15.200 --> 00:31:16.440
<v Speaker 2>but I never thought of it that way. It never

620
00:31:16.480 --> 00:31:19.759
<v Speaker 2>makes it down. But I do think overall the upper

621
00:31:19.799 --> 00:31:22.079
<v Speaker 2>deck or the upper arena tends to be a little

622
00:31:22.119 --> 00:31:24.960
<v Speaker 2>more raucous. Yeah, yeah, than the lower. But I'll tell

623
00:31:24.960 --> 00:31:27.799
<v Speaker 2>you one thing that that UK not only that the

624
00:31:27.920 --> 00:31:32.680
<v Speaker 2>UK fans, particularly of basketball fans at Rupperena, that I

625
00:31:32.759 --> 00:31:35.799
<v Speaker 2>noticed as a kid attending games, that I noticed as

626
00:31:35.799 --> 00:31:38.000
<v Speaker 2>a player attending games, and I noticed at the Florida

627
00:31:38.039 --> 00:31:40.240
<v Speaker 2>game the other day, and it was a That's what

628
00:31:40.279 --> 00:31:41.799
<v Speaker 2>I want to talk about because it was a reminder

629
00:31:41.839 --> 00:31:45.319
<v Speaker 2>to me of you know what, they may not always,

630
00:31:45.440 --> 00:31:49.039
<v Speaker 2>they may not always give the energy that as a

631
00:31:49.039 --> 00:31:53.720
<v Speaker 2>player you want them to, all of them, but what

632
00:31:53.799 --> 00:31:56.960
<v Speaker 2>they do do and this is this is why I

633
00:31:57.000 --> 00:31:59.279
<v Speaker 2>have no problem saying they're the smartest basketball fans in

634
00:31:59.319 --> 00:32:02.440
<v Speaker 2>the country because what they understand and they have understood

635
00:32:02.799 --> 00:32:05.160
<v Speaker 2>again since I was a kid. They understood when I played,

636
00:32:05.319 --> 00:32:09.039
<v Speaker 2>and they understand even today. During that Florida game, as

637
00:32:09.079 --> 00:32:12.880
<v Speaker 2>an example, Florida went up eleven quick, because we are

638
00:32:12.920 --> 00:32:15.920
<v Speaker 2>a team that just for whatever reason cannot get off

639
00:32:15.920 --> 00:32:21.559
<v Speaker 2>to quick starts. And I'm standing in the corner with

640
00:32:21.680 --> 00:32:26.240
<v Speaker 2>your son mocking me, and every time he walks by,

641
00:32:26.759 --> 00:32:32.160
<v Speaker 2>and I'm noticing again I am frustrated by the fact

642
00:32:32.200 --> 00:32:34.759
<v Speaker 2>that Da gon it. You know, I just like to

643
00:32:34.799 --> 00:32:36.559
<v Speaker 2>have fans that we're down eleven, and I'm like, here

644
00:32:36.559 --> 00:32:39.440
<v Speaker 2>we go. And then I'm reminding myself that we've come

645
00:32:39.480 --> 00:32:42.000
<v Speaker 2>back several times. Why couldn't we come back here? And

646
00:32:42.039 --> 00:32:44.559
<v Speaker 2>of course we came back within like three minutes. I mean,

647
00:32:44.960 --> 00:32:46.880
<v Speaker 2>but what the fans do is when we go on

648
00:32:46.960 --> 00:32:48.839
<v Speaker 2>a stretch, right, we talked about the runs in the

649
00:32:48.839 --> 00:32:51.839
<v Speaker 2>Florida game sixteen ten and oh. When we go on

650
00:32:51.920 --> 00:32:54.000
<v Speaker 2>the opposite kind of stretcher the other team goes on

651
00:32:54.160 --> 00:32:59.079
<v Speaker 2>a run, That's when our fans will get loud. They'll

652
00:32:59.079 --> 00:33:01.680
<v Speaker 2>get loud when we when they see some spectacular we

653
00:33:01.720 --> 00:33:03.559
<v Speaker 2>go on a sixteen in oh run. That's as loud

654
00:33:03.559 --> 00:33:07.400
<v Speaker 2>as rue we'll get. But they will also when Florida

655
00:33:07.440 --> 00:33:09.279
<v Speaker 2>comes down and hits, you know, they go on a

656
00:33:09.279 --> 00:33:13.799
<v Speaker 2>six to zero nine oh run, Our fans respond and

657
00:33:13.920 --> 00:33:18.759
<v Speaker 2>instead of booing, which they have rarely rarely done. Instead

658
00:33:18.759 --> 00:33:21.319
<v Speaker 2>of booing. That's when they stand up and start saying,

659
00:33:21.359 --> 00:33:23.759
<v Speaker 2>all right, let's got And it's not one person, it's

660
00:33:23.839 --> 00:33:25.160
<v Speaker 2>it's thousands of them.

661
00:33:25.359 --> 00:33:26.160
<v Speaker 3>They trying to help.

662
00:33:26.319 --> 00:33:29.759
<v Speaker 2>Yes, but they're the only one. I mean, as many

663
00:33:29.759 --> 00:33:31.720
<v Speaker 2>places as I went to on the road and play,

664
00:33:31.839 --> 00:33:34.599
<v Speaker 2>they're the only place I've ever seen that happen. Only

665
00:33:34.960 --> 00:33:38.759
<v Speaker 2>place I've ever seen that happen. That's why people talk

666
00:33:38.799 --> 00:33:40.119
<v Speaker 2>about all the time, what do you want to do

667
00:33:40.160 --> 00:33:42.119
<v Speaker 2>when you're on the road. You want to immediately quiet

668
00:33:42.200 --> 00:33:45.400
<v Speaker 2>that opposite you know, quiet that crowd because you can

669
00:33:45.519 --> 00:33:48.400
<v Speaker 2>quiet them. Oh yeah, you can't quiet them at rup

670
00:33:49.039 --> 00:33:52.759
<v Speaker 2>because they're smart enough to know that what our team

671
00:33:52.799 --> 00:33:54.920
<v Speaker 2>needs now is not us booing them or sitting on

672
00:33:54.960 --> 00:33:58.160
<v Speaker 2>our hands now. Our team needs us behind them. And

673
00:33:58.200 --> 00:34:01.079
<v Speaker 2>as much criticism as rep gets for being loud enough

674
00:34:01.119 --> 00:34:03.839
<v Speaker 2>for you know, the the old fuddy duds with all

675
00:34:03.839 --> 00:34:05.960
<v Speaker 2>the money, you know, not cheering hard enough and getting

676
00:34:06.079 --> 00:34:08.559
<v Speaker 2>you know, being too low. And it's not like Cameron Indoor.

677
00:34:08.960 --> 00:34:11.079
<v Speaker 2>All of our fans understand that, you know what, when

678
00:34:11.119 --> 00:34:14.559
<v Speaker 2>our team is struggling where we need, we need to

679
00:34:14.599 --> 00:34:17.039
<v Speaker 2>stand up and start encouraging them then. And I have

680
00:34:17.199 --> 00:34:19.400
<v Speaker 2>always thought that as the best one of the one of,

681
00:34:19.480 --> 00:34:21.119
<v Speaker 2>if not the best things about BBN.

682
00:34:21.320 --> 00:34:23.719
<v Speaker 1>I thought the Florida crowd was one of the best

683
00:34:23.719 --> 00:34:26.800
<v Speaker 1>in a long time. Well it was palpable, man. I

684
00:34:26.800 --> 00:34:28.199
<v Speaker 1>mean the moment you.

685
00:34:28.679 --> 00:34:31.360
<v Speaker 2>Think about that Kenzagga game. If that Gonzaga game wow

686
00:34:31.440 --> 00:34:34.960
<v Speaker 2>had been at Rough. Yeah, yeah, if that Duke game

687
00:34:35.039 --> 00:34:38.480
<v Speaker 2>had been at Rough, which it should have been, instead

688
00:34:38.519 --> 00:34:40.880
<v Speaker 2>of in Atlanta. So stupid.

689
00:34:40.880 --> 00:34:42.920
<v Speaker 3>I'm good with the home at home? No, I get it.

690
00:34:43.039 --> 00:34:46.360
<v Speaker 2>Why wouldn't anyone be good that look home. You have

691
00:34:46.400 --> 00:34:48.199
<v Speaker 2>a huge game at home that all the home fans

692
00:34:48.280 --> 00:34:50.800
<v Speaker 2>get excited about, and then you have to go into

693
00:34:50.840 --> 00:34:51.679
<v Speaker 2>Cameron Indoor.

694
00:34:52.920 --> 00:34:55.159
<v Speaker 3>The answer to all your questions is money.

695
00:34:55.800 --> 00:34:58.679
<v Speaker 2>I know the reason. I'm not interested in the money.

696
00:34:58.679 --> 00:35:02.119
<v Speaker 2>I'm interested in banners and the tougher you you make

697
00:35:02.159 --> 00:35:03.480
<v Speaker 2>a team tougher about putting them.

698
00:35:03.480 --> 00:35:07.639
<v Speaker 1>Mary's excuses basically about signing up for all these neutral

699
00:35:07.639 --> 00:35:10.960
<v Speaker 1>set games, which was a recruiting ploy, which I understand.

700
00:35:11.079 --> 00:35:12.719
<v Speaker 2>Why is that recruiting because you.

701
00:35:12.679 --> 00:35:15.880
<v Speaker 1>Can tell kids we're gonna play Duke in Atlanta national television.

702
00:35:15.880 --> 00:35:18.599
<v Speaker 2>We're gonna play Duke at Cameron Indoor on national television.

703
00:35:18.639 --> 00:35:21.119
<v Speaker 3>That ain't gonna happen. I'm sorry, what that ain't gonna happen? Why?

704
00:35:21.320 --> 00:35:23.800
<v Speaker 1>Because they don't agree to home and homes like that?

705
00:35:24.079 --> 00:35:29.239
<v Speaker 2>Because coaches, because coaches don't, Cow didn't and Mark won't either, becauh.

706
00:35:29.119 --> 00:35:31.639
<v Speaker 3>Why wouldn't he go back to Bloomington You might lose?

707
00:35:32.159 --> 00:35:34.280
<v Speaker 2>We're not. We did not go to Bloomington because we

708
00:35:34.320 --> 00:35:36.320
<v Speaker 2>might lose. No, No, we didn't go to Bloomington because they

709
00:35:36.320 --> 00:35:37.199
<v Speaker 2>almost hurt people.

710
00:35:38.400 --> 00:35:43.639
<v Speaker 3>Oh that was an that was one, absolutely not what. No, No,

711
00:35:43.719 --> 00:35:46.119
<v Speaker 3>I even got storm. I remember that.

712
00:35:46.239 --> 00:35:48.199
<v Speaker 2>I know that's why we didn't go back to Bloomington.

713
00:35:48.239 --> 00:35:48.960
<v Speaker 3>No, I don't buy that.

714
00:35:49.119 --> 00:35:50.320
<v Speaker 2>What are you talking about?

715
00:35:50.400 --> 00:35:51.119
<v Speaker 3>I don't buy that.

716
00:35:51.119 --> 00:35:53.760
<v Speaker 2>That is precisely why you think Cal didn't go back

717
00:35:53.800 --> 00:35:57.719
<v Speaker 2>to Bloomington because we lost. So I guess we're I

718
00:35:58.239 --> 00:35:59.960
<v Speaker 2>guess then we'll never go on another road game again.

719
00:36:00.119 --> 00:36:02.199
<v Speaker 2>And Cal never went on. Cal never went on any

720
00:36:02.239 --> 00:36:03.320
<v Speaker 2>road games after that.

721
00:36:03.360 --> 00:36:04.360
<v Speaker 3>How many home and homes?

722
00:36:06.679 --> 00:36:11.719
<v Speaker 2>Not nearly enough, but he did zero non conference home

723
00:36:11.760 --> 00:36:14.000
<v Speaker 2>and home play schedule the Gonzaga you.

724
00:36:13.920 --> 00:36:16.840
<v Speaker 3>Gotta play, Well, that was a special circumstance.

725
00:36:17.159 --> 00:36:20.199
<v Speaker 2>Okay, but that's one. Yeah, And there were no other

726
00:36:20.239 --> 00:36:21.000
<v Speaker 2>home and homes.

727
00:36:21.320 --> 00:36:22.840
<v Speaker 3>I can't think of any right off the top of it.

728
00:36:22.880 --> 00:36:23.719
<v Speaker 3>There might have been.

729
00:36:25.360 --> 00:36:26.480
<v Speaker 2>Sighted and understanding.

730
00:36:26.599 --> 00:36:29.960
<v Speaker 1>So I understand that coaches don't like to schedule games

731
00:36:30.000 --> 00:36:31.519
<v Speaker 1>where there's a pretty good chance they're.

732
00:36:31.360 --> 00:36:35.960
<v Speaker 2>Gonna lose, which is dumb. Yeah, I agree, that is absolutely.

733
00:36:35.599 --> 00:36:37.280
<v Speaker 3>Do you know what the hell of it is about

734
00:36:37.280 --> 00:36:37.719
<v Speaker 3>that game?

735
00:36:37.760 --> 00:36:39.760
<v Speaker 2>And I guarantee you this, Mark, Mark might have re

736
00:36:39.800 --> 00:36:43.880
<v Speaker 2>sent up for the Chase Bank State Farm whatever it is,

737
00:36:44.480 --> 00:36:45.840
<v Speaker 2>he might have re sent up for it, But that

738
00:36:46.039 --> 00:36:50.119
<v Speaker 2>is because of money. But you get better, and Mark this,

739
00:36:50.360 --> 00:36:53.760
<v Speaker 2>You get better putting your team in hostile environments early

740
00:36:54.039 --> 00:36:56.360
<v Speaker 2>and even to give you this, oh well, we wanna,

741
00:36:56.400 --> 00:36:59.920
<v Speaker 2>we wanna, we want, we want tournament like atmosphere, good think,

742
00:37:00.039 --> 00:37:02.639
<v Speaker 2>go to Cameron Indoor, go to the Dean. Don't I agree?

743
00:37:02.679 --> 00:37:05.400
<v Speaker 2>Put your team where everybody hates them and makes them respond.

744
00:37:05.440 --> 00:37:06.360
<v Speaker 3>Couldn't agree more.

745
00:37:06.480 --> 00:37:11.320
<v Speaker 1>And that game they lost in Bloomington motivated those kids

746
00:37:11.360 --> 00:37:12.360
<v Speaker 1>for the rest of.

747
00:37:12.280 --> 00:37:13.440
<v Speaker 3>The years, exactly.

748
00:37:13.880 --> 00:37:18.039
<v Speaker 1>And they told us that they kept going back to that. Yeah,

749
00:37:18.320 --> 00:37:22.280
<v Speaker 1>And part of that was ESPN had that game and

750
00:37:22.320 --> 00:37:25.559
<v Speaker 1>that shot by Christian Watford was the greatest clip of

751
00:37:25.639 --> 00:37:30.519
<v Speaker 1>videos ESPN owned, which they used to promote their college

752
00:37:30.559 --> 00:37:34.719
<v Speaker 1>basketball covers, which was only smart so they sure saw

753
00:37:34.760 --> 00:37:35.639
<v Speaker 1>it around the.

754
00:37:35.559 --> 00:37:40.960
<v Speaker 2>Clock, which again I mean back to the point. It's

755
00:37:40.960 --> 00:37:43.000
<v Speaker 2>why you don't talk trash before a game. It's why

756
00:37:43.039 --> 00:37:45.159
<v Speaker 2>you don't talk trash during a game. It's why you

757
00:37:45.199 --> 00:37:47.119
<v Speaker 2>don't talk trash after a game. You do not give

758
00:37:47.119 --> 00:37:49.679
<v Speaker 2>your opponent any reason to hate you and to be

759
00:37:49.760 --> 00:37:52.440
<v Speaker 2>refocused when they play you again, or to take what

760
00:37:52.480 --> 00:37:55.920
<v Speaker 2>you did to them out on the rest of college basketball.

761
00:37:55.960 --> 00:37:56.840
<v Speaker 3>You know what, I'll put some.

762
00:37:56.840 --> 00:38:00.440
<v Speaker 1>Of this on our my media brethren, we go to

763
00:38:00.480 --> 00:38:04.280
<v Speaker 1>the break. You know, I would be okay with a

764
00:38:04.360 --> 00:38:07.639
<v Speaker 1>home and home Duke Kentucky or whatever. Say now, let

765
00:38:07.639 --> 00:38:11.519
<v Speaker 1>me finish, because I would. I would not hold it

766
00:38:11.559 --> 00:38:15.519
<v Speaker 1>against the coach if they lost the game.

767
00:38:15.559 --> 00:38:16.199
<v Speaker 3>On the road.

768
00:38:16.519 --> 00:38:20.039
<v Speaker 1>More so, Yeah, but people will I mean when people

769
00:38:20.079 --> 00:38:22.639
<v Speaker 1>talk about wanting to see all these great football games

770
00:38:23.000 --> 00:38:26.760
<v Speaker 1>by the Wildcats, are you okay? Are you willing to

771
00:38:26.840 --> 00:38:29.880
<v Speaker 1>accept that Kentucky might lose at least half of those games?

772
00:38:30.239 --> 00:38:33.360
<v Speaker 3>No? Big picture? You know, in the moment, sure, that's fine.

773
00:38:33.679 --> 00:38:34.880
<v Speaker 3>Big picture, Now.

774
00:38:34.760 --> 00:38:36.719
<v Speaker 1>Look at the guys overall record, Look at all the

775
00:38:36.719 --> 00:38:39.679
<v Speaker 1>games he's lost. Can't win this game, can't win that game.

776
00:38:39.840 --> 00:38:43.800
<v Speaker 1>It's a measurement of failure that coaches try to distance.

777
00:38:43.440 --> 00:38:45.960
<v Speaker 2>Them, which is short sighted. And see, I.

778
00:38:45.920 --> 00:38:48.239
<v Speaker 1>Couldn't agree more. For once we agree, we got to

779
00:38:48.239 --> 00:38:50.360
<v Speaker 1>get to the break. More from Cameron Mills. In just

780
00:38:50.400 --> 00:38:52.880
<v Speaker 1>a minute, we'll here from Mark Pope, and we're gonna

781
00:38:52.880 --> 00:38:55.119
<v Speaker 1>take Cameron back down memory lane. He's already been down

782
00:38:55.159 --> 00:39:11.800
<v Speaker 1>there once. Here in the garage on six thirty wag

783
00:40:48.400 --> 00:40:50.360
<v Speaker 1>Welcome back to the Big Blue Sider I renumber two.

784
00:40:50.360 --> 00:40:52.320
<v Speaker 1>We're here in the garage with Cameron Mills. Of course

785
00:40:52.440 --> 00:40:54.639
<v Speaker 1>we've been talking about everything but this year's team.

786
00:40:54.719 --> 00:40:56.400
<v Speaker 2>That's true. We've kind of talked about it.

787
00:40:56.519 --> 00:40:58.159
<v Speaker 1>We kind of talked about this year's team, but we

788
00:40:58.239 --> 00:41:00.519
<v Speaker 1>have so much other ground to cover.

789
00:41:01.159 --> 00:41:02.360
<v Speaker 3>Are you reaching for your phone?

790
00:41:02.360 --> 00:41:05.079
<v Speaker 2>I'm reaching for my glasses and this is look look

791
00:41:05.119 --> 00:41:06.000
<v Speaker 2>where I am in my life?

792
00:41:06.239 --> 00:41:08.960
<v Speaker 3>Oh reading glasses all right, Welcome to my world.

793
00:41:09.360 --> 00:41:11.760
<v Speaker 2>Man, I could I told you I could not believe

794
00:41:11.960 --> 00:41:14.719
<v Speaker 2>how badly I wasn't seeing until I could see.

795
00:41:15.440 --> 00:41:17.239
<v Speaker 3>All right. There's a parable somewhere in that.

796
00:41:17.480 --> 00:41:19.440
<v Speaker 2>I think I actually, I think there's actually a Bible

797
00:41:19.519 --> 00:41:22.519
<v Speaker 2>verse that says something to that effect. Uh, maybe a

798
00:41:22.599 --> 00:41:23.880
<v Speaker 2>China Chinese proverb.

799
00:41:24.360 --> 00:41:28.960
<v Speaker 1>Probably both Mark Pope talked to the media yesterday about

800
00:41:29.119 --> 00:41:30.920
<v Speaker 1>mostly the Georgia game, but we're going to talk a

801
00:41:30.960 --> 00:41:35.119
<v Speaker 1>little bit here about Mississippi State because he was asked about, uh,

802
00:41:35.119 --> 00:41:37.679
<v Speaker 1>what he knows about the Bulldogs that.

803
00:41:37.719 --> 00:41:38.719
<v Speaker 3>Talked about that earlier.

804
00:41:38.760 --> 00:41:42.360
<v Speaker 1>But I asked him, what do you remember about going

805
00:41:42.400 --> 00:41:46.000
<v Speaker 1>to Starkville back when he was a teammate of Camera Mills.

806
00:41:46.000 --> 00:41:46.960
<v Speaker 3>Here's what he had to say.

807
00:41:47.599 --> 00:41:51.519
<v Speaker 4>I actually remember very little. I remember Eric Dan Pierre,

808
00:41:53.239 --> 00:41:55.159
<v Speaker 4>who was a you know, a terrific pro and a

809
00:41:55.199 --> 00:41:59.360
<v Speaker 4>trific college player. And uh, I remember who was the

810
00:41:59.440 --> 00:42:01.440
<v Speaker 4>really exploed most of his names gave me right now,

811
00:42:01.480 --> 00:42:05.360
<v Speaker 4>really Dante Jones. Of course I remember Dante Jones. I

812
00:42:05.360 --> 00:42:07.519
<v Speaker 4>remember going to Starkville and having a big, winning, really

813
00:42:07.519 --> 00:42:13.320
<v Speaker 4>physical game, and you know, you know, I remember the

814
00:42:13.400 --> 00:42:16.719
<v Speaker 4>vibe in the gym was electric like he usually is there.

815
00:42:17.119 --> 00:42:21.440
<v Speaker 4>And I remember high level competition. You know, it was

816
00:42:21.480 --> 00:42:23.480
<v Speaker 4>fun that year both of us were in the final four.

817
00:42:25.280 --> 00:42:28.519
<v Speaker 1>And then, of course things worked out for the Wildcats

818
00:42:28.559 --> 00:42:30.559
<v Speaker 1>in the final four, not so much for Mississippi's date

819
00:42:30.599 --> 00:42:34.639
<v Speaker 1>with lost the Syracuse, But prior to that, Mississippi State

820
00:42:34.760 --> 00:42:40.280
<v Speaker 1>handed the Wildcats a loss in the SEC Tournament Championship game,

821
00:42:40.960 --> 00:42:45.079
<v Speaker 1>and I reminded Mark that Dante Jones had nine turnovers

822
00:42:45.440 --> 00:42:48.519
<v Speaker 1>and the loss in Starkville, and then Pope jumped in.

823
00:42:49.199 --> 00:42:51.480
<v Speaker 4>But then he blew us up in the SEC Championship. Man,

824
00:42:51.559 --> 00:42:54.360
<v Speaker 4>he lost his mind, him and everybody else on the team.

825
00:42:54.400 --> 00:42:58.000
<v Speaker 4>And I mean we had walk ons making one foot runners,

826
00:42:58.280 --> 00:43:00.920
<v Speaker 4>you know, from seventeen feet. That's why this game is

827
00:43:00.920 --> 00:43:03.280
<v Speaker 4>so beautiful. And it is beautiful.

828
00:43:04.119 --> 00:43:07.119
<v Speaker 1>And of course he can say that now because all's well,

829
00:43:07.199 --> 00:43:10.599
<v Speaker 1>that ended well for that Kentucky team. But like so

830
00:43:10.679 --> 00:43:14.800
<v Speaker 1>many coaches, he admits and players too. I guess we'll

831
00:43:14.960 --> 00:43:17.599
<v Speaker 1>cameraon to talk about this in a moment, but he

832
00:43:17.679 --> 00:43:22.079
<v Speaker 1>remembers that loss to Mississippi State. The Starkville win was hazy,

833
00:43:22.440 --> 00:43:24.039
<v Speaker 1>not that lost in the tournament.

834
00:43:24.559 --> 00:43:26.920
<v Speaker 4>When you do it right, when you're built the right way,

835
00:43:28.880 --> 00:43:32.079
<v Speaker 4>you know, I forcibly went to trying to remember our

836
00:43:32.119 --> 00:43:35.400
<v Speaker 4>game at Mississippi State, which I remember somewhat that we won,

837
00:43:36.039 --> 00:43:38.320
<v Speaker 4>but like all the stories I tell are from the

838
00:43:38.400 --> 00:43:41.760
<v Speaker 4>SEC Championship when we lost to Mississippi State. And that's

839
00:43:41.920 --> 00:43:44.199
<v Speaker 4>how you build a season, like that's what it is.

840
00:43:44.239 --> 00:43:47.320
<v Speaker 4>And it's the same with fans, like you know, our

841
00:43:47.440 --> 00:43:50.039
<v Speaker 4>run in ninety six in the n SIVY Tournament was

842
00:43:50.039 --> 00:43:52.280
<v Speaker 4>probably more specially to our fans because we've been through

843
00:43:52.320 --> 00:43:55.159
<v Speaker 4>it together. Also, Like if you ask him about that season,

844
00:43:55.440 --> 00:43:57.480
<v Speaker 4>I remember a lot of games, but I really remember

845
00:43:57.480 --> 00:43:59.880
<v Speaker 4>you masked that game of the season. I tell you

846
00:44:00.159 --> 00:44:02.760
<v Speaker 4>of details from that. And it's it's it's these hard

847
00:44:02.800 --> 00:44:05.559
<v Speaker 4>moments to make you grow too. And and that's I'm

848
00:44:05.559 --> 00:44:07.920
<v Speaker 4>telling you. It's it's why basketball is special. And so

849
00:44:08.639 --> 00:44:11.760
<v Speaker 4>when you can take the hard moments and turn them

850
00:44:11.760 --> 00:44:14.800
<v Speaker 4>into something great, and you can take the great moments

851
00:44:14.800 --> 00:44:17.000
<v Speaker 4>and continue along with them, that's when you have a

852
00:44:17.119 --> 00:44:19.199
<v Speaker 4>That's when you're on a journey that you do in

853
00:44:19.239 --> 00:44:21.239
<v Speaker 4>a locker room and with your fan base and with

854
00:44:21.280 --> 00:44:26.960
<v Speaker 4>everybody else, and and and and the ballance. You know

855
00:44:27.039 --> 00:44:29.320
<v Speaker 4>that the outcome holds it and hangs in the balance

856
00:44:29.400 --> 00:44:31.719
<v Speaker 4>the whole way. And that's why it's so fascinating.

857
00:44:32.360 --> 00:44:33.000
<v Speaker 3>All Right, you were.

858
00:44:32.920 --> 00:44:35.440
<v Speaker 1>Nodding your head throughout all of that. Uh, do you

859
00:44:35.440 --> 00:44:38.079
<v Speaker 1>have similar memories? And you played a Darkville twice or

860
00:44:38.079 --> 00:44:39.159
<v Speaker 1>at least went there twice.

861
00:44:39.199 --> 00:44:44.079
<v Speaker 2>I remember being there once. I guess we went. Maybe

862
00:44:44.079 --> 00:44:47.320
<v Speaker 2>I have a vague breath every year. Maybe, Well, remember

863
00:44:47.320 --> 00:44:49.239
<v Speaker 2>when we played Old Miss back then we had a

864
00:44:49.519 --> 00:44:52.719
<v Speaker 2>for whatever reason, we played Old Miss. Uh. Their home

865
00:44:52.800 --> 00:44:55.599
<v Speaker 2>game for us one year was in Memphis, and then

866
00:44:55.719 --> 00:44:57.639
<v Speaker 2>our home game for them that next year was at

867
00:44:57.639 --> 00:44:59.400
<v Speaker 2>the Freedom was at Freedom All. I don't know what

868
00:44:59.440 --> 00:45:02.239
<v Speaker 2>that was about. Yeah, but I guess I did go

869
00:45:02.280 --> 00:45:05.800
<v Speaker 2>to Starkville twice. I do. I do remember Starkville being

870
00:45:05.960 --> 00:45:09.440
<v Speaker 2>aptly named as a town. But to be honest, this

871
00:45:09.519 --> 00:45:11.280
<v Speaker 2>is about every SEC. That's all I love about the

872
00:45:11.320 --> 00:45:15.360
<v Speaker 2>SEC is well now now, I guess it may be different.

873
00:45:15.760 --> 00:45:19.039
<v Speaker 2>But other land grand institutions, Well, we're not in they're

874
00:45:19.039 --> 00:45:22.320
<v Speaker 2>not in big cities, right, I mean, you know, you look,

875
00:45:22.599 --> 00:45:25.559
<v Speaker 2>when we travel, we're used to eating at Ruth's Chris. Right,

876
00:45:25.760 --> 00:45:29.400
<v Speaker 2>there's not a Ruth's Chris in Gainesville. There's an outback steakhouse,

877
00:45:29.440 --> 00:45:31.239
<v Speaker 2>which just so happened to be coach Tino. I think

878
00:45:31.239 --> 00:45:34.920
<v Speaker 2>had it's taken no no pun intended and uh so.

879
00:45:35.039 --> 00:45:38.519
<v Speaker 2>But anyway, I I don't remember I remember Starkville once.

880
00:45:39.480 --> 00:45:41.440
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if I remember it twice. Maybe it

881
00:45:41.440 --> 00:45:44.039
<v Speaker 2>maybe maybe it was well, you know what I guess

882
00:45:44.079 --> 00:45:48.000
<v Speaker 2>it was. It was Tubby's year. Tubby's first year may

883
00:45:48.000 --> 00:45:49.480
<v Speaker 2>have been when we went back there. But anyway, what

884
00:45:49.599 --> 00:45:52.079
<v Speaker 2>I remember the most about Starkville, I mean or or

885
00:45:52.199 --> 00:45:55.960
<v Speaker 2>or the Hump, right, and they called the Hump and

886
00:45:55.960 --> 00:45:59.199
<v Speaker 2>and I freaking yeah. And I say this understanding that

887
00:45:59.280 --> 00:46:03.559
<v Speaker 2>every every fan base has their their their bad apples, right,

888
00:46:04.119 --> 00:46:06.960
<v Speaker 2>But what I remember more than anything was being shocked

889
00:46:07.079 --> 00:46:10.199
<v Speaker 2>at the things that the fans were yelling at our

890
00:46:10.239 --> 00:46:14.280
<v Speaker 2>black Yeah. I mean, now I was a freshman and

891
00:46:14.519 --> 00:46:18.760
<v Speaker 2>I was, I was, I was speechless. I mean I

892
00:46:18.840 --> 00:46:21.519
<v Speaker 2>was like, And the thing that I remember thinking the

893
00:46:21.559 --> 00:46:26.239
<v Speaker 2>most is do you all not think your black players

894
00:46:26.239 --> 00:46:29.880
<v Speaker 2>are hearing what you're saying? And I'm like, I mean,

895
00:46:29.920 --> 00:46:32.840
<v Speaker 2>I was just And again, it wasn't like the entire

896
00:46:32.960 --> 00:46:34.639
<v Speaker 2>and it was mainly, as far as I could tell,

897
00:46:34.679 --> 00:46:37.000
<v Speaker 2>the student section, but it wasn't like all of them.

898
00:46:37.000 --> 00:46:39.880
<v Speaker 2>It was just like but it's like nobody was policing

899
00:46:39.920 --> 00:46:43.400
<v Speaker 2>that nonsense. Like there wasn't and I mean like self policing.

900
00:46:43.559 --> 00:46:45.880
<v Speaker 2>I don't mean like you know, like we're One thing

901
00:46:45.920 --> 00:46:48.599
<v Speaker 2>I love about Mitch is is when because he stands

902
00:46:48.639 --> 00:46:51.239
<v Speaker 2>down there every home game, right in front of the

903
00:46:51.360 --> 00:46:54.679
<v Speaker 2>eruption zone and when he no, oh no, he get

904
00:46:54.960 --> 00:46:56.880
<v Speaker 2>And I love that about him too, man every place.

905
00:46:56.960 --> 00:46:59.760
<v Speaker 2>He lives and dies on every play and not just basketball,

906
00:47:00.119 --> 00:47:01.880
<v Speaker 2>every tennis match. I mean, he just.

907
00:47:02.079 --> 00:47:05.000
<v Speaker 1>He football, He stands in the ends.

908
00:47:04.280 --> 00:47:06.800
<v Speaker 2>He's he's he is a mess. And I mean that

909
00:47:06.880 --> 00:47:10.159
<v Speaker 2>in a wonderful complimentary way as far as what his

910
00:47:10.320 --> 00:47:14.280
<v Speaker 2>teams are doing. But but he stays on the eruption

911
00:47:14.360 --> 00:47:16.880
<v Speaker 2>zone and if he hears a bad word, if he

912
00:47:16.960 --> 00:47:19.760
<v Speaker 2>doesn't like what they're chanting, he will tell them to

913
00:47:19.800 --> 00:47:22.679
<v Speaker 2>shut up. And I've always I've always appreciated him for

914
00:47:22.760 --> 00:47:25.559
<v Speaker 2>doing that. But yeah, I remember that. That's what I

915
00:47:25.599 --> 00:47:28.800
<v Speaker 2>remember about Starkfield because it was just I was shocked.

916
00:47:28.840 --> 00:47:30.400
<v Speaker 2>I was like, oh, so this is what's gonna be

917
00:47:30.480 --> 00:47:32.119
<v Speaker 2>like on the road in the SEC and it wasn't.

918
00:47:32.159 --> 00:47:33.440
<v Speaker 2>He I mean that, I'm not saying it didn't have

919
00:47:33.440 --> 00:47:35.480
<v Speaker 2>another place. That's the only place in the place. I

920
00:47:35.559 --> 00:47:36.480
<v Speaker 2>really noticed it.

921
00:47:36.760 --> 00:47:39.719
<v Speaker 1>And I'm sure you can relate to what Mark said

922
00:47:39.719 --> 00:47:43.880
<v Speaker 1>about remembering that loss in the SEC tournament more vividly.

923
00:47:44.239 --> 00:47:48.039
<v Speaker 2>The whole the whole point according to coach Fatino, who

924
00:47:48.119 --> 00:47:50.519
<v Speaker 2>I don't know is has he ever admitted that he

925
00:47:50.559 --> 00:47:51.880
<v Speaker 2>wanted I mean, I know that's always a.

926
00:47:53.320 --> 00:47:55.480
<v Speaker 1>But you guys talked about it on the party boat

927
00:47:55.719 --> 00:47:58.960
<v Speaker 1>right in Miami when we were shooting the documentary The

928
00:47:58.960 --> 00:47:59.719
<v Speaker 1>Party Vote.

929
00:48:00.000 --> 00:48:01.119
<v Speaker 2>First of all, can we come up with a better

930
00:48:01.159 --> 00:48:01.800
<v Speaker 2>name for it than that?

931
00:48:01.880 --> 00:48:05.159
<v Speaker 3>I mean, it was a boat and the party that's true.

932
00:48:04.880 --> 00:48:07.360
<v Speaker 2>But just called you know that party boat in Miami

933
00:48:07.440 --> 00:48:08.480
<v Speaker 2>that that.

934
00:48:08.480 --> 00:48:11.599
<v Speaker 1>Was and wasn't fit to go out on the ocean

935
00:48:12.000 --> 00:48:13.199
<v Speaker 1>because it was too small.

936
00:48:14.360 --> 00:48:19.440
<v Speaker 3>Somebody told yeah, well somebody told him. Uh, Betino told

937
00:48:19.480 --> 00:48:22.519
<v Speaker 3>me this. Who owned it? Ron Mercer and a couple

938
00:48:22.519 --> 00:48:23.159
<v Speaker 3>of other guys.

939
00:48:23.280 --> 00:48:26.840
<v Speaker 2>I thought, I thought a partnership.

940
00:48:27.039 --> 00:48:30.079
<v Speaker 1>And somebody told him, man, this boat is too you

941
00:48:30.119 --> 00:48:31.760
<v Speaker 1>cannot take this out on the waves.

942
00:48:31.920 --> 00:48:32.840
<v Speaker 3>It'll break apart.

943
00:48:33.199 --> 00:48:38.119
<v Speaker 2>This is really anyhow, But no, what do I know

944
00:48:38.119 --> 00:48:38.719
<v Speaker 2>about boats though?

945
00:48:38.880 --> 00:48:39.880
<v Speaker 3>That's true? Uh?

946
00:48:39.920 --> 00:48:44.119
<v Speaker 1>But anyhow, Yeah, he talked about the fact that he said,

947
00:48:44.119 --> 00:48:47.199
<v Speaker 1>if we don't lose that game, no way we win

948
00:48:47.239 --> 00:48:50.760
<v Speaker 1>the champions And you guys all agreed that doesn't But

949
00:48:51.079 --> 00:48:54.559
<v Speaker 1>remember he benched antwine for half of that game. For

950
00:48:54.599 --> 00:48:56.679
<v Speaker 1>the rest of the game, which and and Dante Jones

951
00:48:56.719 --> 00:49:00.679
<v Speaker 1>went nuts. Uh, and it all came together. I will

952
00:49:00.719 --> 00:49:04.519
<v Speaker 1>tell you this that coming off the floor, Huh. Steve

953
00:49:04.639 --> 00:49:07.159
<v Speaker 1>Moss got a quick shot a little bit of video.

954
00:49:07.199 --> 00:49:09.280
<v Speaker 3>Patino with just the.

955
00:49:09.239 --> 00:49:13.159
<v Speaker 2>Time of an evil Well, and I can tell you

956
00:49:13.199 --> 00:49:16.679
<v Speaker 2>this that locker room only time we've ever lost, and

957
00:49:16.719 --> 00:49:19.719
<v Speaker 2>we weren't berated. He was in a good mood in

958
00:49:19.760 --> 00:49:24.119
<v Speaker 2>that locker room. Literally said to us, we adjust, this

959
00:49:24.159 --> 00:49:27.079
<v Speaker 2>is our second loss of the season. We are getting

960
00:49:27.079 --> 00:49:30.079
<v Speaker 2>ready to go in to the if not already the

961
00:49:30.079 --> 00:49:32.960
<v Speaker 2>most important well definitely the most important part. That we

962
00:49:33.039 --> 00:49:35.360
<v Speaker 2>got six games to get it done. And you remember

963
00:49:35.360 --> 00:49:38.480
<v Speaker 2>the documentary Mark even said in his interview in the

964
00:49:38.480 --> 00:49:42.079
<v Speaker 2>documentary The Team by the Way, available on Vimeo, that

965
00:49:43.320 --> 00:49:46.199
<v Speaker 2>Mark even said, it's this year, or it's not, It's

966
00:49:46.280 --> 00:49:49.440
<v Speaker 2>gotta be this year. And so the pressure of going

967
00:49:49.480 --> 00:49:53.880
<v Speaker 2>in to those six games knowing that, man, we just

968
00:49:53.880 --> 00:49:55.400
<v Speaker 2>got beat by a team we got no business being

969
00:49:55.400 --> 00:49:57.159
<v Speaker 2>beat by. As it turned out, they were much better

970
00:49:57.159 --> 00:49:58.559
<v Speaker 2>than they'd been throughout the season.

971
00:49:58.320 --> 00:50:00.519
<v Speaker 3>And you had beaten them by almost third.

972
00:50:00.639 --> 00:50:04.679
<v Speaker 2>Here the crazy yeah yeah, well and then Starkville. But

973
00:50:04.719 --> 00:50:08.199
<v Speaker 2>then you take one of our best players out. I'm

974
00:50:08.239 --> 00:50:12.280
<v Speaker 2>just telling you, and just why I don't I don't

975
00:50:12.320 --> 00:50:15.280
<v Speaker 2>know how to tell people any different, but I just

976
00:50:15.320 --> 00:50:17.719
<v Speaker 2>don't think people believe me enough when I say you

977
00:50:17.840 --> 00:50:19.679
<v Speaker 2>learn more from a loss than you do a win.

978
00:50:20.320 --> 00:50:23.920
<v Speaker 2>You can learn from a win. But under the right coach,

979
00:50:24.039 --> 00:50:26.800
<v Speaker 2>with the right players, which I believe we have now

980
00:50:26.840 --> 00:50:30.760
<v Speaker 2>and I believe we've had before, you you can't argue

981
00:50:30.760 --> 00:50:33.159
<v Speaker 2>with your coach mentally, even if you don't do it verbally,

982
00:50:33.199 --> 00:50:36.360
<v Speaker 2>you can't argue with him. You can't look at him

983
00:50:36.400 --> 00:50:38.480
<v Speaker 2>and say, dude, what are you griping about rebounding and

984
00:50:38.519 --> 00:50:40.960
<v Speaker 2>free throws? For we won by forty. You can't do that.

985
00:50:41.000 --> 00:50:44.159
<v Speaker 2>When you win by forty, you will listen when you've

986
00:50:44.199 --> 00:50:46.440
<v Speaker 2>not made your foul shots and you've been out rebounded

987
00:50:46.679 --> 00:50:49.079
<v Speaker 2>and you've lost a team you shouldn't have been beat by.

988
00:50:49.239 --> 00:50:51.599
<v Speaker 2>So in that locker room, he not only was not yelling,

989
00:50:51.639 --> 00:50:53.840
<v Speaker 2>not ranny and raving, he literally, with the smile on

990
00:50:53.880 --> 00:50:56.519
<v Speaker 2>his face, said, guys, I want you to go out

991
00:50:56.519 --> 00:50:59.440
<v Speaker 2>on Bourbon Street and have a fun night tonight. And

992
00:50:59.440 --> 00:51:01.679
<v Speaker 2>we're looking around. I'm like, he's setting us up, right,

993
00:51:01.719 --> 00:51:03.559
<v Speaker 2>this is a joke. This is a joke. He's gonna

994
00:51:03.559 --> 00:51:05.920
<v Speaker 2>see who's gonna do it, and then they're gonna be

995
00:51:05.960 --> 00:51:08.119
<v Speaker 2>up at five am running right, that's what's gonna happen.

996
00:51:08.119 --> 00:51:09.840
<v Speaker 2>I mean, we're like even looking at these others, like

997
00:51:10.719 --> 00:51:12.480
<v Speaker 2>are we going, are we going out tonight? What are

998
00:51:12.480 --> 00:51:16.360
<v Speaker 2>we doing? Because he's there's no, this is not our coach,

999
00:51:16.800 --> 00:51:18.840
<v Speaker 2>and it was our coach because what he knew was

1000
00:51:19.320 --> 00:51:23.280
<v Speaker 2>season reset. Yep. Now we had no excuses and he

1001
00:51:23.360 --> 00:51:27.679
<v Speaker 2>hopefully has just taught his six ' nine mouth of

1002
00:51:27.719 --> 00:51:30.320
<v Speaker 2>a power forward who wants to shoot threes all day

1003
00:51:30.320 --> 00:51:32.960
<v Speaker 2>and handle the ball at point guard. Maybe now he's

1004
00:51:32.960 --> 00:51:36.280
<v Speaker 2>going to listen for the six games. Yeah, yeah, he

1005
00:51:36.440 --> 00:51:39.440
<v Speaker 2>definitely did that. Angeline, come over here and sit and

1006
00:51:39.559 --> 00:51:40.199
<v Speaker 2>don't get up.

1007
00:51:40.800 --> 00:51:42.400
<v Speaker 3>He is Camera Mills. We're here in the garage.

1008
00:51:42.400 --> 00:51:44.760
<v Speaker 1>We'll come back and talk more about these wildcasts and

1009
00:51:44.840 --> 00:51:46.159
<v Speaker 1>more on The Big Blue Sider.

1010
00:51:46.199 --> 00:51:49.760
<v Speaker 3>Six thirty w LAP. Welcome back to the Big Blue Insider.

1011
00:51:49.840 --> 00:51:51.800
<v Speaker 1>Camera Mills here in the garage, and we have kind

1012
00:51:51.840 --> 00:51:56.039
<v Speaker 1>of circled the subjects of this shooting team. We've touched

1013
00:51:56.039 --> 00:51:58.639
<v Speaker 1>on it, but we haven't been super specific. But what

1014
00:51:58.679 --> 00:52:00.880
<v Speaker 1>I wanted to do is we are one more comment

1015
00:52:00.920 --> 00:52:04.000
<v Speaker 1>from Mark Pope with you, and that's about the fact

1016
00:52:04.039 --> 00:52:05.800
<v Speaker 1>that and we were talking about this in the last

1017
00:52:05.800 --> 00:52:10.760
<v Speaker 1>segment and you said learning from losses versus wins. Mark

1018
00:52:10.800 --> 00:52:11.920
<v Speaker 1>Pope agrees with you.

1019
00:52:12.079 --> 00:52:16.440
<v Speaker 2>Oh, surprise, surprise, maybe maybe maybe or you agree with him,

1020
00:52:16.440 --> 00:52:18.079
<v Speaker 2>maybe we both learned it at the same place.

1021
00:52:18.159 --> 00:52:22.599
<v Speaker 1>About that, and Pope talked about the fact that this

1022
00:52:22.719 --> 00:52:25.679
<v Speaker 1>group he believes can learn from losses.

1023
00:52:26.039 --> 00:52:27.880
<v Speaker 4>I do think we have a group that's capable of

1024
00:52:27.920 --> 00:52:32.000
<v Speaker 4>doing that. And I think we have tremendous resilience and

1025
00:52:32.039 --> 00:52:34.239
<v Speaker 4>tremendous resolve, and I think the guys have shown that

1026
00:52:34.280 --> 00:52:36.880
<v Speaker 4>a bunch this season already. And now we're facing the

1027
00:52:36.920 --> 00:52:39.719
<v Speaker 4>biggest challenge we have all year on Saturday, going on

1028
00:52:39.760 --> 00:52:42.639
<v Speaker 4>the road for this game, and and man, let's go

1029
00:52:42.719 --> 00:52:43.880
<v Speaker 4>roll that out and see what we can do.

1030
00:52:43.960 --> 00:52:45.639
<v Speaker 2>Let's go maybe a little.

1031
00:52:45.440 --> 00:52:47.480
<v Speaker 3>Bit of coach speak, their biggest game in the season,

1032
00:52:47.559 --> 00:52:51.840
<v Speaker 3>but coming but coming off a loss.

1033
00:52:52.280 --> 00:52:55.119
<v Speaker 1>I mean obviously it's it's, you know, bigger than it

1034
00:52:55.159 --> 00:52:55.639
<v Speaker 1>might have been.

1035
00:52:55.800 --> 00:52:56.880
<v Speaker 3>But they're all huge.

1036
00:52:58.400 --> 00:53:01.760
<v Speaker 1>Well, you were looking at the statue and I knew

1037
00:53:01.760 --> 00:53:05.119
<v Speaker 1>we'd get into this because of your irrational uh.

1038
00:53:05.079 --> 00:53:06.480
<v Speaker 3>Hate accurate officials.

1039
00:53:06.559 --> 00:53:09.159
<v Speaker 2>Okay, first of all, before you go any further, did

1040
00:53:09.159 --> 00:53:11.159
<v Speaker 2>you see the Tennessee Florida game?

1041
00:53:11.480 --> 00:53:15.719
<v Speaker 3>A little bit of it? What about it?

1042
00:53:15.840 --> 00:53:16.119
<v Speaker 2>Okay?

1043
00:53:16.159 --> 00:53:16.519
<v Speaker 3>I didn't?

1044
00:53:16.559 --> 00:53:19.880
<v Speaker 2>You? You and I? You and you and I are okay,

1045
00:53:19.920 --> 00:53:23.360
<v Speaker 2>fair enough? I because you consider yourself a journalist and impartial.

1046
00:53:23.920 --> 00:53:25.079
<v Speaker 2>Fair enough, Okay, I do not.

1047
00:53:25.920 --> 00:53:28.519
<v Speaker 3>I also officiated sporting events, so have I.

1048
00:53:28.519 --> 00:53:32.360
<v Speaker 2>I went middle school, elementary school. I mean I officiated

1049
00:53:32.400 --> 00:53:34.719
<v Speaker 2>a soccer game once got yelled at by a coach.

1050
00:53:34.760 --> 00:53:40.679
<v Speaker 2>I was only in middle school myself. Then I don't

1051
00:53:40.719 --> 00:53:42.239
<v Speaker 2>have it. I don't have a I don't have a

1052
00:53:42.239 --> 00:53:48.119
<v Speaker 2>dog in this fight. Florida Burst, Tennessee. The officiating was horrendous, horrendous.

1053
00:53:48.519 --> 00:53:50.880
<v Speaker 2>You saw the flop Kentucky, Georgia.

1054
00:53:51.039 --> 00:53:51.239
<v Speaker 3>Right.

1055
00:53:51.480 --> 00:53:53.639
<v Speaker 2>You saw a dude just flail his arms and officials

1056
00:53:53.679 --> 00:53:57.679
<v Speaker 2>literally standing five feet blow his whistle. Explain to me how,

1057
00:53:57.719 --> 00:54:00.039
<v Speaker 2>And I know part of it's the rules, But you

1058
00:54:00.159 --> 00:54:03.480
<v Speaker 2>cannot touch a person on the perimeter. But you can

1059
00:54:03.519 --> 00:54:06.159
<v Speaker 2>elbow and swing and do all you want down in

1060
00:54:06.199 --> 00:54:08.280
<v Speaker 2>the low post. And the moment you get past the

1061
00:54:08.320 --> 00:54:11.079
<v Speaker 2>perimeter as a guard or as anyone in your dribble

1062
00:54:11.119 --> 00:54:13.800
<v Speaker 2>penetration doesn't matter what happens in there. It's all free

1063
00:54:13.840 --> 00:54:16.159
<v Speaker 2>for all. So we want to protect players out here.

1064
00:54:16.519 --> 00:54:20.159
<v Speaker 2>We don't give a whatever about what happens down here.

1065
00:54:20.400 --> 00:54:22.880
<v Speaker 2>It is horrible. It is the worst it's ever been.

1066
00:54:23.159 --> 00:54:25.400
<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry it is, and look I have I'll tell

1067
00:54:25.440 --> 00:54:28.480
<v Speaker 2>you what I have done. Doug Shows, who I used

1068
00:54:28.519 --> 00:54:31.920
<v Speaker 2>to detest, beyond belief I have I have fallen in

1069
00:54:31.960 --> 00:54:34.840
<v Speaker 2>love with that man I have, I have met I

1070
00:54:34.880 --> 00:54:37.360
<v Speaker 2>have no no, no, no, no no no no no no easy easy.

1071
00:54:37.480 --> 00:54:39.400
<v Speaker 2>He's not he's not lifting as much as he used to,

1072
00:54:39.440 --> 00:54:41.000
<v Speaker 2>and he's not wearing his mediums as much as he

1073
00:54:41.079 --> 00:54:44.480
<v Speaker 2>used to. But I have talked to too many people

1074
00:54:44.920 --> 00:54:47.760
<v Speaker 2>who I respect who have told me that Doug Shows

1075
00:54:47.800 --> 00:54:49.440
<v Speaker 2>is one of the best, not only one of the

1076
00:54:49.440 --> 00:54:52.039
<v Speaker 2>best officials, which I might have a little contention with,

1077
00:54:52.239 --> 00:54:54.840
<v Speaker 2>because there's no such thing as a best official, but

1078
00:54:55.239 --> 00:54:58.159
<v Speaker 2>as a person. And my thing with Doug was always

1079
00:54:58.199 --> 00:54:59.440
<v Speaker 2>personal in part.

1080
00:54:59.280 --> 00:55:00.639
<v Speaker 3>Because he wouldn't talk to you.

1081
00:55:00.679 --> 00:55:04.159
<v Speaker 2>Well, that's part of it. Yeah, Curtis Shaw as an official,

1082
00:55:04.480 --> 00:55:08.000
<v Speaker 2>my favorite. He's still an official, right, still going to hell,

1083
00:55:08.280 --> 00:55:12.159
<v Speaker 2>but he's but he was. He would not only talk

1084
00:55:12.199 --> 00:55:16.239
<v Speaker 2>to Shalls, wouldn't talk to anyone but the captains, right.

1085
00:55:16.480 --> 00:55:19.480
<v Speaker 2>Shaw would talk to everybody, yeah right, And he would

1086
00:55:19.639 --> 00:55:21.679
<v Speaker 2>look if you approached him with respect, he would treat

1087
00:55:21.679 --> 00:55:24.719
<v Speaker 2>you with respect, and that's how it should be. It's like, hey, Curtis, dude,

1088
00:55:24.960 --> 00:55:27.039
<v Speaker 2>he's grabbing me when I'm going off screens. Watch him,

1089
00:55:27.039 --> 00:55:29.519
<v Speaker 2>he's grabbing my shorts. I'll watch for it, Cameron. So

1090
00:55:29.599 --> 00:55:32.480
<v Speaker 2>it's like he even knew my name. It's like, I

1091
00:55:32.480 --> 00:55:35.000
<v Speaker 2>don't know, Doug. Doug Shalls almost teed me up down

1092
00:55:35.000 --> 00:55:39.440
<v Speaker 2>in Tennessee just because he did accurately catch me bouling

1093
00:55:39.480 --> 00:55:41.440
<v Speaker 2>somebody and I had a problem with it. But then

1094
00:55:41.480 --> 00:55:45.760
<v Speaker 2>he like, you know, showed me anyway. But officiating's getting awful.

1095
00:55:45.760 --> 00:55:47.519
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, what I was pointing out was the fact

1096
00:55:47.559 --> 00:55:49.519
<v Speaker 2>that and I know I'm sure a lot of fans

1097
00:55:49.559 --> 00:55:51.960
<v Speaker 2>have pointed this out as well, but thirty eight free

1098
00:55:51.960 --> 00:55:55.800
<v Speaker 2>throws to our what was it, nineteen thirty eight free

1099
00:55:55.840 --> 00:55:58.360
<v Speaker 2>throws for Georgia to our nineteen No, I realized part

1100
00:55:58.400 --> 00:56:02.239
<v Speaker 2>of that is the way we play. Yes, but did

1101
00:56:02.239 --> 00:56:02.559
<v Speaker 2>we did?

1102
00:56:02.719 --> 00:56:02.800
<v Speaker 4>Did?

1103
00:56:03.000 --> 00:56:05.280
<v Speaker 2>Did we? We? We fouled them enough to get them

1104
00:56:05.280 --> 00:56:06.320
<v Speaker 2>to the line thirty eight times.

1105
00:56:06.360 --> 00:56:08.480
<v Speaker 3>I thought they thought Kentucky did foul a lot.

1106
00:56:08.599 --> 00:56:10.440
<v Speaker 2>Well, I know one we didn't because I saw the

1107
00:56:10.480 --> 00:56:13.480
<v Speaker 2>replay of it. And okay, so you don't think that happened.

1108
00:56:13.159 --> 00:56:17.199
<v Speaker 1>More, I agree, But I just think you look at whatever.

1109
00:56:17.199 --> 00:56:20.639
<v Speaker 1>They were lucky to beat Florida because Florida missed free throws,

1110
00:56:20.840 --> 00:56:21.840
<v Speaker 1>including the front end.

1111
00:56:21.840 --> 00:56:24.519
<v Speaker 2>Again and we made three. So let's not exactly say lucky.

1112
00:56:24.639 --> 00:56:27.639
<v Speaker 1>No, I'm saying that when it came to free throw shooting,

1113
00:56:27.880 --> 00:56:29.679
<v Speaker 1>he had a ninety one percent or miss a couple

1114
00:56:29.960 --> 00:56:30.840
<v Speaker 1>for Florida.

1115
00:56:31.559 --> 00:56:33.559
<v Speaker 2>Saying is well, I wasn't prepared for the big moment.

1116
00:56:34.079 --> 00:56:37.719
<v Speaker 1>I'm saying is that this team has got a lot

1117
00:56:37.719 --> 00:56:40.320
<v Speaker 1>of work to do defensive where it has to be

1118
00:56:40.519 --> 00:56:43.960
<v Speaker 1>yes and stop fouling. Not only that, and this comes back,

1119
00:56:44.159 --> 00:56:47.199
<v Speaker 1>and this was a great topic for discussion. Yeah, with Pope,

1120
00:56:47.519 --> 00:56:51.679
<v Speaker 1>physical play, yes, because Kentucky is not used to dishing

1121
00:56:51.719 --> 00:56:54.639
<v Speaker 1>it out knowing how to be physical. Look, you may

1122
00:56:54.679 --> 00:56:57.920
<v Speaker 1>be right about officiating, but I am I contend that

1123
00:56:58.039 --> 00:57:02.320
<v Speaker 1>the play itself is not nearly as good as it

1124
00:57:02.400 --> 00:57:02.920
<v Speaker 1>used to be.

1125
00:57:03.199 --> 00:57:04.000
<v Speaker 3>I don't know why.

1126
00:57:04.159 --> 00:57:06.840
<v Speaker 2>Well didn't they change that perimeter rule where again you

1127
00:57:06.880 --> 00:57:08.880
<v Speaker 2>cannot put you can put one hand on a player

1128
00:57:08.880 --> 00:57:13.159
<v Speaker 2>on the perimeter two and that's an automatic foul. And

1129
00:57:13.199 --> 00:57:14.920
<v Speaker 2>they did that. Why Why did they do that?

1130
00:57:15.119 --> 00:57:17.280
<v Speaker 3>Because they were the hand checking was getting out.

1131
00:57:17.199 --> 00:57:21.800
<v Speaker 2>Of hand, and they did that. They did that because

1132
00:57:21.800 --> 00:57:24.480
<v Speaker 2>they wanted more penetration, they wanted more freedom, They wanted

1133
00:57:24.480 --> 00:57:26.559
<v Speaker 2>the offense to be better therefore they wanted a better product.

1134
00:57:26.679 --> 00:57:27.840
<v Speaker 2>And yet what did you just say?

1135
00:57:29.079 --> 00:57:31.559
<v Speaker 3>I think the inside play is worse.

1136
00:57:31.840 --> 00:57:35.480
<v Speaker 2>Because because they beat on each other, there's constant fouls

1137
00:57:35.559 --> 00:57:38.880
<v Speaker 2>and they're never called. And that's my problem is the inconsistend.

1138
00:57:39.039 --> 00:57:42.679
<v Speaker 2>One of my problems, the inconsistency between can't touch this

1139
00:57:42.760 --> 00:57:45.440
<v Speaker 2>dude here, I can elbow this dude in the face,

1140
00:57:45.440 --> 00:57:47.440
<v Speaker 2>and it's not a foul down here because you're a

1141
00:57:48.639 --> 00:57:50.880
<v Speaker 2>first I never wanted to be an inside player in

1142
00:57:50.960 --> 00:57:53.880
<v Speaker 2>my life, nor did I ever. I'm un jealous. Listen,

1143
00:57:53.960 --> 00:57:55.400
<v Speaker 2>I was yelled at when I got inside the three

1144
00:57:55.400 --> 00:57:57.119
<v Speaker 2>point line, as I should have been.

1145
00:57:57.320 --> 00:58:00.199
<v Speaker 1>I need to sit you down with Doug Hampton, the

1146
00:58:00.320 --> 00:58:04.119
<v Speaker 1>uh the time out coordinator and former D one referee

1147
00:58:04.320 --> 00:58:05.760
<v Speaker 1>sons are both.

1148
00:58:06.239 --> 00:58:08.480
<v Speaker 2>Uh do you want I know? I know John and

1149
00:58:08.599 --> 00:58:11.119
<v Speaker 2>uh yeah, I know John. John used to officiate our

1150
00:58:11.119 --> 00:58:13.760
<v Speaker 2>blue white games, among other things. And you know what

1151
00:58:13.920 --> 00:58:16.239
<v Speaker 2>I'll ask, y'all the first question ask every official is

1152
00:58:16.239 --> 00:58:17.559
<v Speaker 2>there such a thing as a makeup call? And you

1153
00:58:17.559 --> 00:58:19.920
<v Speaker 2>know John will say right, and you know what he's

1154
00:58:19.920 --> 00:58:20.519
<v Speaker 2>doing lying.

1155
00:58:23.880 --> 00:58:27.000
<v Speaker 1>I as someone who is officiated games, I will tell

1156
00:58:27.039 --> 00:58:29.880
<v Speaker 1>you I never made a makeup call. But there is

1157
00:58:29.920 --> 00:58:34.480
<v Speaker 1>a mental uh something mentally about pressure on you. If

1158
00:58:34.480 --> 00:58:37.920
<v Speaker 1>everybody's mad at you and you make a call that

1159
00:58:38.599 --> 00:58:39.440
<v Speaker 1>settles them down.

1160
00:58:39.360 --> 00:58:40.599
<v Speaker 2>A little bit, that's a makeup call.

1161
00:58:41.480 --> 00:58:43.360
<v Speaker 1>Not it to me, it's not a makeup call just

1162
00:58:43.360 --> 00:58:47.840
<v Speaker 1>because you do consciously, consciously say and I and I

1163
00:58:47.920 --> 00:58:49.480
<v Speaker 1>need to make a call to shut them up.

1164
00:58:49.599 --> 00:58:51.199
<v Speaker 2>No, I don't think you make a call to shut

1165
00:58:51.199 --> 00:58:51.679
<v Speaker 2>people up.

1166
00:58:51.800 --> 00:58:53.360
<v Speaker 3>That's why people say makeup.

1167
00:58:53.199 --> 00:58:55.280
<v Speaker 2>No, no, no, no. A makeup call is when you

1168
00:58:55.400 --> 00:58:58.280
<v Speaker 2>know you've blown one against this team.

1169
00:58:58.400 --> 00:59:01.360
<v Speaker 3>You're always going to know you blew No, you're never perfect.

1170
00:59:01.599 --> 00:59:04.360
<v Speaker 2>No, you don't always know that you've blown one. No,

1171
00:59:04.440 --> 00:59:09.280
<v Speaker 2>you don't know until you're until. No, you don't know

1172
00:59:09.360 --> 00:59:11.000
<v Speaker 2>you've blown it. If you knew.

1173
00:59:11.000 --> 00:59:13.519
<v Speaker 1>People never talk to an official said yeah, man, I

1174
00:59:13.519 --> 00:59:14.119
<v Speaker 1>missed that one.

1175
00:59:14.159 --> 00:59:16.400
<v Speaker 2>Coach you know used to get Officials do it all

1176
00:59:16.440 --> 00:59:18.159
<v Speaker 2>the time. But there are also plenty of times where

1177
00:59:18.159 --> 00:59:20.880
<v Speaker 2>they clearly blew it and wouldn't admit it. You are

1178
00:59:20.920 --> 00:59:21.719
<v Speaker 2>they not admitting it?

1179
00:59:21.840 --> 00:59:24.079
<v Speaker 1>You can't admit every other call. I missed that one.

1180
00:59:24.440 --> 00:59:26.280
<v Speaker 1>But you're gotta believe in what you're doing. You gotta

1181
00:59:26.280 --> 00:59:26.960
<v Speaker 1>sell calls.

1182
00:59:27.280 --> 00:59:29.679
<v Speaker 3>We're getting off sell calls, we're getting off topic.

1183
00:59:29.760 --> 00:59:32.079
<v Speaker 2>This is perfectly an hour and a half to cover.

1184
00:59:32.239 --> 00:59:36.199
<v Speaker 3>I am going to not anymore halfway through it next time.

1185
00:59:36.280 --> 00:59:38.039
<v Speaker 3>And I've gone to Doug's place.

1186
00:59:38.880 --> 00:59:42.599
<v Speaker 1>He is a master pizza chef, really, and I've taped

1187
00:59:42.599 --> 00:59:44.360
<v Speaker 1>a show there with him, Billy Rutligion, and I did.

1188
00:59:44.400 --> 00:59:46.360
<v Speaker 1>And the next time I go, I'm taking you with me.

1189
00:59:46.519 --> 00:59:46.960
<v Speaker 2>That's fine.

1190
00:59:47.000 --> 00:59:48.800
<v Speaker 3>So we'll talk pizza, which you'll know.

1191
00:59:48.920 --> 00:59:50.519
<v Speaker 2>Is he he's a former official as well.

1192
00:59:50.800 --> 00:59:53.679
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, we'll talk pizza. And he was the best

1193
00:59:53.719 --> 00:59:56.440
<v Speaker 1>high school official I ever saw. And he also worked college.

1194
00:59:56.559 --> 00:59:57.920
<v Speaker 1>And then we'll talk officiating.

1195
00:59:58.159 --> 01:00:00.079
<v Speaker 2>Why don't we just talk officiating and then we'll and

1196
01:00:00.079 --> 01:00:01.079
<v Speaker 2>then we'll argue over pizza.

1197
01:00:01.159 --> 01:00:03.079
<v Speaker 3>I'm telling you, as you watch him make pizza, you're

1198
01:00:03.079 --> 01:00:05.719
<v Speaker 3>gonna want to talk about pizza. I promise you.

1199
01:00:05.800 --> 01:00:07.760
<v Speaker 2>Okay, all right, does he have does he have a

1200
01:00:07.760 --> 01:00:08.320
<v Speaker 2>pizza oven?

1201
01:00:08.440 --> 01:00:09.079
<v Speaker 3>Yes, he does.

1202
01:00:09.280 --> 01:00:13.079
<v Speaker 1>He has a pizza pizza Rhea in his in his recreation.

1203
01:00:13.119 --> 01:00:14.760
<v Speaker 2>You see what happens. You can be official. All the

1204
01:00:14.800 --> 01:00:15.599
<v Speaker 2>money in the world.

1205
01:00:16.519 --> 01:00:18.559
<v Speaker 1>His wife gave it to him. All right, we'll take

1206
01:00:18.559 --> 01:00:20.159
<v Speaker 1>your break, come back and get back on the wild.

1207
01:00:20.440 --> 01:00:22.239
<v Speaker 2>Let's get back on six thirty.

1208
01:00:22.280 --> 01:00:22.960
<v Speaker 3>Welcome back to the.

1209
01:00:22.880 --> 01:00:25.360
<v Speaker 1>Big Blue Sider Rear in the garage with Cameron Mills

1210
01:00:25.360 --> 01:00:31.840
<v Speaker 1>having his usually spirited discussion. But other than than free throws,

1211
01:00:32.559 --> 01:00:36.400
<v Speaker 1>rebound disparity rebounding, is that, is that what sticks in

1212
01:00:36.480 --> 01:00:36.960
<v Speaker 1>your cross?

1213
01:00:37.039 --> 01:00:37.280
<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

1214
01:00:37.360 --> 01:00:41.880
<v Speaker 2>I think so, in spite of the fact that before

1215
01:00:41.880 --> 01:00:45.280
<v Speaker 2>the Florida game, at least we were like like Florida

1216
01:00:45.280 --> 01:00:47.599
<v Speaker 2>and I Flora, Florida and I Florida and Kentucky were

1217
01:00:47.599 --> 01:00:51.360
<v Speaker 2>like one in two in the country in defensive I'm sorry,

1218
01:00:51.480 --> 01:00:55.559
<v Speaker 2>in rebounding average per game. At least I read that.

1219
01:00:55.719 --> 01:00:58.119
<v Speaker 2>But you know, journalism is today, can't believe what t read.

1220
01:00:59.079 --> 01:01:02.920
<v Speaker 1>And talking about sid is you're calling Deadmore a liar.

1221
01:01:03.239 --> 01:01:05.039
<v Speaker 2>I would never call it Deadmore. Allied Deadmore is one

1222
01:01:05.039 --> 01:01:09.519
<v Speaker 2>of my favorites. But yeah, here's the thing. This goes

1223
01:01:09.519 --> 01:01:12.360
<v Speaker 2>back to the physicality thing as well. And I told

1224
01:01:12.360 --> 01:01:14.320
<v Speaker 2>this to somebody the other day. I can't rememberho it was,

1225
01:01:15.199 --> 01:01:17.800
<v Speaker 2>but one of the things that I've noticed is, and

1226
01:01:17.840 --> 01:01:21.239
<v Speaker 2>I noticed this in the Florida game, is the way

1227
01:01:21.320 --> 01:01:24.719
<v Speaker 2>Florida attacked the rim rebounding wise, and the way we

1228
01:01:24.760 --> 01:01:28.039
<v Speaker 2>attack the room, the way Florida boxed out, the way

1229
01:01:28.079 --> 01:01:31.480
<v Speaker 2>we box out we and and this is a physicality thing,

1230
01:01:31.480 --> 01:01:33.559
<v Speaker 2>and and I think honestly it's it's one of those

1231
01:01:33.559 --> 01:01:37.639
<v Speaker 2>things where the good news is it's learnable, and it

1232
01:01:37.760 --> 01:01:41.239
<v Speaker 2>is a requirement this year that it be learnable. Meaning

1233
01:01:42.119 --> 01:01:45.199
<v Speaker 2>Mark will make sure we're drilling right, just like he

1234
01:01:45.239 --> 01:01:47.119
<v Speaker 2>did with the You know that what we talked about

1235
01:01:47.119 --> 01:01:49.159
<v Speaker 2>before after the Ohio State game. How many times did

1236
01:01:49.159 --> 01:01:51.159
<v Speaker 2>they go over the high pick and roll right the

1237
01:01:51.199 --> 01:01:56.360
<v Speaker 2>high ball screens? So it's something that that that I

1238
01:01:56.840 --> 01:01:58.920
<v Speaker 2>would almost guarantee you he's seen enough film to notice,

1239
01:01:58.920 --> 01:02:00.639
<v Speaker 2>because I noticed it just on a couple of plays

1240
01:02:00.840 --> 01:02:02.800
<v Speaker 2>without the benefit of watching it over and over again

1241
01:02:02.800 --> 01:02:07.360
<v Speaker 2>on film. But I mean Florida would offensively the offensive

1242
01:02:07.400 --> 01:02:10.400
<v Speaker 2>last They would attack it with I mean reckless, abandoned.

1243
01:02:10.719 --> 01:02:15.320
<v Speaker 2>I mean they would sprint to the basket. They would

1244
01:02:15.360 --> 01:02:19.599
<v Speaker 2>throw you aside in a legal way. And again I'm

1245
01:02:19.639 --> 01:02:22.199
<v Speaker 2>not predisposed to see what Florida does in that game

1246
01:02:22.280 --> 01:02:25.239
<v Speaker 2>is legal meaning you know, and not against not against

1247
01:02:25.239 --> 01:02:27.679
<v Speaker 2>the rules and fouling. But I mean they would just

1248
01:02:28.280 --> 01:02:31.079
<v Speaker 2>I mean they would run at you. They would arm

1249
01:02:31.159 --> 01:02:33.920
<v Speaker 2>bar you right to get around you, right, which which

1250
01:02:34.039 --> 01:02:36.480
<v Speaker 2>look on the low post that that well, maybe not anymore,

1251
01:02:36.480 --> 01:02:38.079
<v Speaker 2>but it used to be a foul, right if you're

1252
01:02:38.159 --> 01:02:40.079
<v Speaker 2>using your arms and you're gaining advantage or you're wrapping

1253
01:02:40.079 --> 01:02:42.599
<v Speaker 2>your arm around the guy that's guarding. By this, I mean,

1254
01:02:42.760 --> 01:02:46.199
<v Speaker 2>they won't call that necessarily on a rebounding play. So

1255
01:02:46.280 --> 01:02:50.559
<v Speaker 2>if you're running in and you're actually efforting to get

1256
01:02:50.559 --> 01:02:53.119
<v Speaker 2>the ball, as coach p usould say, smell the ball.

1257
01:02:53.800 --> 01:02:54.800
<v Speaker 2>If that's what you're.

1258
01:02:54.679 --> 01:02:56.599
<v Speaker 3>Doing, he said, yeah, yeah, you got to.

1259
01:02:56.679 --> 01:02:58.320
<v Speaker 2>You gotta smell the ball, meaning no matter where the

1260
01:02:58.360 --> 01:03:00.599
<v Speaker 2>ball is, you better know where it is. Yeah, coach

1261
01:03:00.719 --> 01:03:04.039
<v Speaker 2>Coach used to talk about all the time. So we

1262
01:03:04.199 --> 01:03:06.679
<v Speaker 2>do a poor job, or we did in the Florida

1263
01:03:06.719 --> 01:03:12.840
<v Speaker 2>game of when that when when they took a shot

1264
01:03:13.280 --> 01:03:18.880
<v Speaker 2>we would turn and maybe hand check a guy instead

1265
01:03:18.920 --> 01:03:21.400
<v Speaker 2>of hip check box it, because look, I get it,

1266
01:03:21.400 --> 01:03:23.039
<v Speaker 2>you can't sit there and box out, box out, box out.

1267
01:03:23.039 --> 01:03:24.199
<v Speaker 2>You got to go get the ball at some point.

1268
01:03:24.519 --> 01:03:26.760
<v Speaker 2>But we would maybe and they just didn't go for

1269
01:03:26.800 --> 01:03:28.440
<v Speaker 2>the all five guys on the on the court. But

1270
01:03:28.760 --> 01:03:31.440
<v Speaker 2>you know, there's one person in particular I noticed, and

1271
01:03:31.440 --> 01:03:33.159
<v Speaker 2>I'm not gonna mention it by name, but just hand

1272
01:03:33.280 --> 01:03:36.519
<v Speaker 2>checked and then turned and I mean his guy got

1273
01:03:36.599 --> 01:03:38.679
<v Speaker 2>off asive rebound. So it's like at some point. Look,

1274
01:03:38.719 --> 01:03:42.239
<v Speaker 2>you got to get physically, you have, and not just that,

1275
01:03:42.280 --> 01:03:44.719
<v Speaker 2>You've got to hit them hard enough to discourage them.

1276
01:03:44.880 --> 01:03:48.360
<v Speaker 2>It's like running into a screen. Right. One of the

1277
01:03:48.480 --> 01:03:50.239
<v Speaker 2>one of one of my biggest faults as a defender,

1278
01:03:50.280 --> 01:03:53.400
<v Speaker 2>among many, was I would run into and Coach Bush,

1279
01:03:53.440 --> 01:03:55.119
<v Speaker 2>you got so mad at me over this, rightfully, So

1280
01:03:55.519 --> 01:03:58.239
<v Speaker 2>I would run into a screen and in my mind,

1281
01:03:59.000 --> 01:04:01.199
<v Speaker 2>well I'm out of the play. Wow, So I might

1282
01:04:01.239 --> 01:04:06.760
<v Speaker 2>as well just stay here. What sort of mentality is that?

1283
01:04:07.000 --> 01:04:08.960
<v Speaker 2>But the point is is to add one that could

1284
01:04:08.960 --> 01:04:12.719
<v Speaker 2>be your mentality is uh, all right, I'll just stay here.

1285
01:04:12.760 --> 01:04:14.719
<v Speaker 2>That you don't want me in there? Okay, I'll stay here,

1286
01:04:14.760 --> 01:04:17.360
<v Speaker 2>I mean I And that cannot be our mentality. Our

1287
01:04:17.360 --> 01:04:20.800
<v Speaker 2>mentality has got to be you hit me, I'm hitting

1288
01:04:20.840 --> 01:04:22.880
<v Speaker 2>you back. And look I'm not talking about throwing punches.

1289
01:04:22.920 --> 01:04:27.000
<v Speaker 2>I'm talking about going back, being physical and fighting around,

1290
01:04:27.039 --> 01:04:30.280
<v Speaker 2>in my case, fighting around a screen instead of just

1291
01:04:30.320 --> 01:04:32.840
<v Speaker 2>and we still we do that occasionally. You watch Guys

1292
01:04:33.079 --> 01:04:35.800
<v Speaker 2>last year in particular, but it's happened this year. You

1293
01:04:35.920 --> 01:04:39.599
<v Speaker 2>run into a screen. It takes physical exertion to get

1294
01:04:39.639 --> 01:04:46.480
<v Speaker 2>past it. So you just all right, hey, let's switch right, No,

1295
01:04:47.119 --> 01:04:50.119
<v Speaker 2>rebounding you've got he's gonna come block you out. You've

1296
01:04:50.119 --> 01:04:52.840
<v Speaker 2>got to fight like heck to get around him because

1297
01:04:52.880 --> 01:04:54.679
<v Speaker 2>you've got to go. You've got to want that ball

1298
01:04:54.760 --> 01:04:58.599
<v Speaker 2>more than he does. And so it's a question of effort.

1299
01:04:58.719 --> 01:05:01.760
<v Speaker 2>It's a question of physical But the physicality, to me,

1300
01:05:01.840 --> 01:05:03.679
<v Speaker 2>is more of a question of effort because look at

1301
01:05:03.679 --> 01:05:05.599
<v Speaker 2>a Mari. You don't think a Mari can be physical

1302
01:05:05.639 --> 01:05:08.400
<v Speaker 2>if he wants to and has been. Brandon can be.

1303
01:05:08.480 --> 01:05:11.000
<v Speaker 2>I mean, look, we all can. We got muscles on

1304
01:05:11.000 --> 01:05:13.719
<v Speaker 2>this team. We're now used to having muscles on this team.

1305
01:05:14.039 --> 01:05:17.320
<v Speaker 2>We're used to having string beings on this team. We

1306
01:05:17.360 --> 01:05:20.719
<v Speaker 2>got muscle. I remember, look at Sibwe that is a

1307
01:05:20.719 --> 01:05:24.440
<v Speaker 2>fifth year senior. We've got fifth year seniors. We've got guys.

1308
01:05:24.599 --> 01:05:27.480
<v Speaker 2>Because as I've said before, that that that that that

1309
01:05:27.559 --> 01:05:33.119
<v Speaker 2>freshman the sophomore year is so big for putting on masks,

1310
01:05:33.199 --> 01:05:36.519
<v Speaker 2>for putting on for getting that old man's strength, right yeah,

1311
01:05:36.840 --> 01:05:39.599
<v Speaker 2>and then the conditioning. I mean that freshman year, you

1312
01:05:39.639 --> 01:05:41.719
<v Speaker 2>are getting used to things. By the time you're where

1313
01:05:41.760 --> 01:05:46.119
<v Speaker 2>most of these guys are. You know what Division one

1314
01:05:46.239 --> 01:05:48.639
<v Speaker 2>is like, and you know what you have to do.

1315
01:05:48.679 --> 01:05:50.760
<v Speaker 2>And we've just got to do it corporately as a team,

1316
01:05:50.800 --> 01:05:54.119
<v Speaker 2>where we start to become the aggressors and not let

1317
01:05:54.159 --> 01:05:58.960
<v Speaker 2>other teams. Especially since we've got the reputation of being unphysical,

1318
01:05:59.360 --> 01:06:01.599
<v Speaker 2>that gives us a perfect opportunity to shock a few

1319
01:06:01.599 --> 01:06:04.760
<v Speaker 2>teams and start to grow our own reputation. As you

1320
01:06:04.760 --> 01:06:06.880
<v Speaker 2>don't mess with Kentucky. I mean, they will put you

1321
01:06:06.960 --> 01:06:07.679
<v Speaker 2>on your rear end.

1322
01:06:07.760 --> 01:06:10.079
<v Speaker 1>And now that's the blueprint. Run them off the three

1323
01:06:10.119 --> 01:06:13.760
<v Speaker 1>point line. Don't let them get comfortable out there. You

1324
01:06:13.760 --> 01:06:16.760
<v Speaker 1>can take thirty five threes, but if they're not good threes,

1325
01:06:16.800 --> 01:06:19.000
<v Speaker 1>we know what's gonna happen. But the other thing is

1326
01:06:19.400 --> 01:06:22.280
<v Speaker 1>body them up because they'll back away. Kentucky will shy

1327
01:06:22.360 --> 01:06:25.480
<v Speaker 1>away from contact. That might be what I'm saying is

1328
01:06:25.880 --> 01:06:29.039
<v Speaker 1>how people perceive Kentucky now. And if that's the case,

1329
01:06:29.320 --> 01:06:31.079
<v Speaker 1>maybe they can use that to their advantage.

1330
01:06:31.159 --> 01:06:33.480
<v Speaker 2>The funny thing is, yeah, no, I agree, I agree

1331
01:06:33.519 --> 01:06:35.519
<v Speaker 2>that can It's just a matter of will they And

1332
01:06:35.599 --> 01:06:37.840
<v Speaker 2>it's not a matter of will day as though will

1333
01:06:37.920 --> 01:06:39.800
<v Speaker 2>Mark tell them to or coach them to. It's a

1334
01:06:39.840 --> 01:06:42.480
<v Speaker 2>matter of look. And this is why I you know,

1335
01:06:43.840 --> 01:06:46.119
<v Speaker 2>I never It's one of the reasons that I never

1336
01:06:46.199 --> 01:06:49.679
<v Speaker 2>really got angry at cal for anything cal did. There's

1337
01:06:49.719 --> 01:06:53.639
<v Speaker 2>two reasons for that. Number One, John cali Perry never

1338
01:06:53.679 --> 01:06:56.199
<v Speaker 2>won a single game in his fifteen years here. Never

1339
01:06:56.840 --> 01:06:59.920
<v Speaker 2>his players won every game he won. John cal Perry,

1340
01:07:00.840 --> 01:07:03.679
<v Speaker 2>he didn't lose a game. He would tell you he did,

1341
01:07:03.840 --> 01:07:06.760
<v Speaker 2>which is admirable, but he never lost the game. John

1342
01:07:06.800 --> 01:07:08.880
<v Speaker 2>Calipari has yet to make a shot for the University

1343
01:07:08.880 --> 01:07:13.559
<v Speaker 2>of Kentucky. Ever. It's the players. So coaches can rant

1344
01:07:13.599 --> 01:07:15.599
<v Speaker 2>and raven do every I mean that, and look you've

1345
01:07:15.639 --> 01:07:17.920
<v Speaker 2>seen You've seen Mark do it. I mean Mark is

1346
01:07:17.960 --> 01:07:22.800
<v Speaker 2>already I mean Mark is so already ultrapsychological and thinking

1347
01:07:22.800 --> 01:07:24.880
<v Speaker 2>in terms of how to best communicate and get what

1348
01:07:24.920 --> 01:07:26.960
<v Speaker 2>I need out of my players. And then I mean

1349
01:07:27.000 --> 01:07:29.880
<v Speaker 2>he's already got a psychologist, you know constantly you know,

1350
01:07:30.519 --> 01:07:33.320
<v Speaker 2>at practice, watching the team, seeing, you know, noticing things,

1351
01:07:33.400 --> 01:07:35.880
<v Speaker 2>communicating that town. I mean, Mark is just he is

1352
01:07:35.920 --> 01:07:39.199
<v Speaker 2>a thinker, and he is constantly and he's also been

1353
01:07:39.239 --> 01:07:42.760
<v Speaker 2>on the player side. And so it's just like, you know,

1354
01:07:42.920 --> 01:07:45.320
<v Speaker 2>I can tell my guys to do something so many

1355
01:07:45.320 --> 01:07:48.079
<v Speaker 2>times before you know, what what what what do I

1356
01:07:48.079 --> 01:07:50.039
<v Speaker 2>have to do to get across to you and be

1357
01:07:50.239 --> 01:07:53.639
<v Speaker 2>physical if you're not used to it. I mean, it's

1358
01:07:53.639 --> 01:07:54.800
<v Speaker 2>one of the it's one of the reasons we used

1359
01:07:54.800 --> 01:07:56.960
<v Speaker 2>to have loose ball drills, right, I mean we would

1360
01:07:57.000 --> 01:07:59.079
<v Speaker 2>have loose ball drills when coach Patino had decided, in

1361
01:07:59.119 --> 01:08:02.639
<v Speaker 2>particular that you know what we're we're a weak team.

1362
01:08:03.159 --> 01:08:04.880
<v Speaker 2>We're a weak team. We don't we don't deserve to win.

1363
01:08:04.920 --> 01:08:06.559
<v Speaker 2>There's always his favorite things to say, we don't deserve

1364
01:08:06.559 --> 01:08:08.920
<v Speaker 2>to win. And then even though we won, we didn't

1365
01:08:08.920 --> 01:08:11.000
<v Speaker 2>deserve to win. And so we were gonna do thirty

1366
01:08:11.039 --> 01:08:14.320
<v Speaker 2>minutes of loose ball drills and charge drills and just

1367
01:08:14.360 --> 01:08:17.720
<v Speaker 2>to try to get us to understand that it's gonna hurt,

1368
01:08:19.560 --> 01:08:22.720
<v Speaker 2>make your peace with it. It's gonna hurt. What's what's

1369
01:08:22.720 --> 01:08:28.479
<v Speaker 2>the phrase, how be comfortable with being uncomfortable? And that's

1370
01:08:28.479 --> 01:08:29.880
<v Speaker 2>what these guys have to do. They have to get

1371
01:08:29.880 --> 01:08:33.159
<v Speaker 2>comfortable with being uncomfortable. But yeah, I think reboundings some

1372
01:08:33.199 --> 01:08:37.479
<v Speaker 2>make things. I don't know to your other point, Kobe

1373
01:08:37.479 --> 01:08:40.560
<v Speaker 2>Brea in particular, and and I know we didn't have

1374
01:08:40.560 --> 01:08:45.880
<v Speaker 2>a great shooting night the other night overall, but I

1375
01:08:45.880 --> 01:08:49.159
<v Speaker 2>don't think Kobe Brea can take a bad shot. I've

1376
01:08:49.199 --> 01:08:53.600
<v Speaker 2>seen him make too many very contested threes and oh wait,

1377
01:08:54.439 --> 01:08:56.359
<v Speaker 2>I know no, don't get me wrong, I get that,

1378
01:08:57.640 --> 01:09:01.720
<v Speaker 2>oh way contested three. I think Andrew just because every

1379
01:09:01.720 --> 01:09:04.439
<v Speaker 2>three that Andrew's taken has been wide open. I think

1380
01:09:04.640 --> 01:09:08.239
<v Speaker 2>I can't. I can't think of him taken too many, really, chat,

1381
01:09:08.319 --> 01:09:10.800
<v Speaker 2>I mean there have been guys running at him. Yeah,

1382
01:09:10.840 --> 01:09:12.319
<v Speaker 2>he does, and I kind of wish you wouldn't. But

1383
01:09:12.399 --> 01:09:14.279
<v Speaker 2>at the same time that isn't better. That's part of

1384
01:09:14.279 --> 01:09:16.119
<v Speaker 2>our offense though, is that you know what, if you

1385
01:09:16.119 --> 01:09:18.159
<v Speaker 2>you may have a good shot, but is there a

1386
01:09:18.159 --> 01:09:22.000
<v Speaker 2>great shot of past or two away? But you know what, honestly,

1387
01:09:22.039 --> 01:09:24.279
<v Speaker 2>here's the main thing. How much time we got one? Okay,

1388
01:09:24.399 --> 01:09:25.600
<v Speaker 2>all right, so let me let me see if I

1389
01:09:25.600 --> 01:09:29.880
<v Speaker 2>can get this in under one. This is a theory, okay,

1390
01:09:29.960 --> 01:09:32.439
<v Speaker 2>and this is my theory. This is not based on

1391
01:09:32.520 --> 01:09:35.560
<v Speaker 2>anything that I know or anything. This is just something

1392
01:09:35.600 --> 01:09:39.039
<v Speaker 2>that I'm starting to believe. All of most of our

1393
01:09:39.079 --> 01:09:43.560
<v Speaker 2>guys came from men majors, and in men majors, what

1394
01:09:43.600 --> 01:09:46.399
<v Speaker 2>you understand is that you have got to go out

1395
01:09:46.520 --> 01:09:49.119
<v Speaker 2>and you have got to As a mid major, you're

1396
01:09:49.159 --> 01:09:51.760
<v Speaker 2>the team that's typically especially early in the season when

1397
01:09:51.760 --> 01:09:55.399
<v Speaker 2>you're playing hid one, you're gonna get beat. Right, You

1398
01:09:55.439 --> 01:09:57.840
<v Speaker 2>got there and fight, but you're expected to get beat

1399
01:09:57.880 --> 01:10:00.920
<v Speaker 2>because you're a mid major, meaning the team based on rankings,

1400
01:10:01.039 --> 01:10:02.920
<v Speaker 2>or based on reputation, or based on what the media

1401
01:10:02.960 --> 01:10:05.279
<v Speaker 2>is saying you are. So this is an uphill climb

1402
01:10:05.319 --> 01:10:07.640
<v Speaker 2>for you tonight. Most of our guys came from that

1403
01:10:07.760 --> 01:10:10.760
<v Speaker 2>environment there that they came from teams that were supposed

1404
01:10:10.800 --> 01:10:14.600
<v Speaker 2>to get beaten by the high D one teams. Right, well,

1405
01:10:15.359 --> 01:10:17.760
<v Speaker 2>I wonder if a lot of these guys have not

1406
01:10:17.880 --> 01:10:22.000
<v Speaker 2>brought that attitude into Kentucky knowing that Now I'm at Kentucky,

1407
01:10:22.279 --> 01:10:24.479
<v Speaker 2>so now I'm the team that's spos I'm with the

1408
01:10:24.479 --> 01:10:26.960
<v Speaker 2>team that's supposed to win. So when we play Clemson,

1409
01:10:27.720 --> 01:10:29.680
<v Speaker 2>who we're supposed to beat, you get beat. When we

1410
01:10:29.680 --> 01:10:32.640
<v Speaker 2>play Georgia, who we're supposed to beat, we get beat.

1411
01:10:34.439 --> 01:10:37.239
<v Speaker 2>I'm wondering if that's not our attitude, not not not

1412
01:10:37.279 --> 01:10:40.279
<v Speaker 2>maybe corporately, but it comes out corporately, is that we

1413
01:10:40.279 --> 01:10:44.239
<v Speaker 2>we will beat top ten teams easily, relatively easily easily.

1414
01:10:44.880 --> 01:10:47.600
<v Speaker 2>But when we play a team that's not ranked or

1415
01:10:47.640 --> 01:10:50.159
<v Speaker 2>that isn't quote unquote special.

1416
01:10:49.880 --> 01:10:52.880
<v Speaker 3>It's their super Bowl, it is you.

1417
01:10:52.920 --> 01:10:54.920
<v Speaker 2>Look, people mock all that all. I'm locked that all

1418
01:10:54.920 --> 01:10:58.279
<v Speaker 2>that one it is. But I'm wonder if that's not

1419
01:10:58.800 --> 01:11:01.239
<v Speaker 2>a problem for us right now that we are the

1420
01:11:01.439 --> 01:11:04.640
<v Speaker 2>average teams. We're not coming ready to play.

1421
01:11:04.479 --> 01:11:05.520
<v Speaker 3>An interesting theory.

1422
01:11:05.880 --> 01:11:08.000
<v Speaker 1>We'll come back and wrap things up with camera Mills

1423
01:11:08.000 --> 01:11:09.000
<v Speaker 1>here in the garage.

1424
01:11:09.560 --> 01:11:10.880
<v Speaker 3>Not yet. We have one more.

1425
01:11:10.760 --> 01:11:12.680
<v Speaker 1>Segment here in the Big moon Sider six thirty. We'll

1426
01:11:12.720 --> 01:11:14.720
<v Speaker 1>come back to the Big bon Sider. Camera Mills is

1427
01:11:14.760 --> 01:11:17.399
<v Speaker 1>here in the garage. We are counting things down our

1428
01:11:17.479 --> 01:11:20.119
<v Speaker 1>final segment, and we.

1429
01:11:20.399 --> 01:11:22.760
<v Speaker 3>Haven't really talked about movies and TV and.

1430
01:11:22.760 --> 01:11:24.479
<v Speaker 1>All like we usually do because we have so much

1431
01:11:24.479 --> 01:11:26.880
<v Speaker 1>to cover with this basketball team.

1432
01:11:26.960 --> 01:11:30.479
<v Speaker 3>But you know, I really enjoy hearing Mark Pope.

1433
01:11:30.720 --> 01:11:34.359
<v Speaker 1>Talking about his thought process, and you talked about the

1434
01:11:34.399 --> 01:11:36.199
<v Speaker 1>fact that he is really into the analytics.

1435
01:11:36.279 --> 01:11:37.039
<v Speaker 3>He has made a study.

1436
01:11:37.079 --> 01:11:39.960
<v Speaker 1>You know what most coaches are, They just don't really

1437
01:11:40.000 --> 01:11:42.399
<v Speaker 1>like to call it analytics. You know, they keep an

1438
01:11:42.439 --> 01:11:45.680
<v Speaker 1>eye on things, especially when you talk about baseball and

1439
01:11:45.760 --> 01:11:49.239
<v Speaker 1>baseball hardcore baseball people, they spit out the word analytics.

1440
01:11:49.439 --> 01:11:52.439
<v Speaker 1>My contention is, you've always used it, but most really

1441
01:11:52.479 --> 01:11:55.000
<v Speaker 1>good baseball guys have all that stuff stored in the

1442
01:11:55.039 --> 01:11:55.840
<v Speaker 1>back of our minds.

1443
01:11:56.279 --> 01:11:57.439
<v Speaker 2>It's a lot of stuff.

1444
01:11:57.520 --> 01:11:58.439
<v Speaker 3>It's a lot of stuff.

1445
01:11:58.960 --> 01:12:02.079
<v Speaker 1>There's a lot of stuff, and the science now involved

1446
01:12:02.399 --> 01:12:04.279
<v Speaker 1>can help you sift through it and put it to

1447
01:12:04.359 --> 01:12:07.119
<v Speaker 1>better use, which is what Mark Pope kind of staff

1448
01:12:07.239 --> 01:12:09.479
<v Speaker 1>what they do. Oh, I thought, when it gets right

1449
01:12:09.520 --> 01:12:11.640
<v Speaker 1>down to it, man, and this is what you've been

1450
01:12:11.640 --> 01:12:14.359
<v Speaker 1>talking about here in the garage. Yeah, Like in football,

1451
01:12:14.399 --> 01:12:16.520
<v Speaker 1>they say it always comes back to blocking and tackling.

1452
01:12:17.279 --> 01:12:19.640
<v Speaker 1>Basketball comes down to what you got to play defense.

1453
01:12:19.640 --> 01:12:20.800
<v Speaker 1>You gotta rebound until you.

1454
01:12:20.840 --> 01:12:22.840
<v Speaker 2>Got to make shots. You got to make shots. I mean,

1455
01:12:22.880 --> 01:12:23.920
<v Speaker 2>I don't care. I don't care if you take bad

1456
01:12:23.920 --> 01:12:26.079
<v Speaker 2>shots as long as you make them. I mean, in the.

1457
01:12:26.039 --> 01:12:27.800
<v Speaker 3>Grant Abbitty nds are there well.

1458
01:12:27.840 --> 01:12:29.840
<v Speaker 2>And but that gets into analytics, doesn't it. I mean, look,

1459
01:12:30.119 --> 01:12:31.560
<v Speaker 2>if you go back and this is the one thing

1460
01:12:31.600 --> 01:12:32.880
<v Speaker 2>and you and I may have talked about this before,

1461
01:12:32.880 --> 01:12:34.359
<v Speaker 2>but this is one thing I love about Mark and

1462
01:12:34.920 --> 01:12:38.319
<v Speaker 2>how very much because again he is an intellectual probably

1463
01:12:38.319 --> 01:12:44.079
<v Speaker 2>above everything else. Uh. But Mark, even though he is

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01:12:44.319 --> 01:12:46.239
<v Speaker 2>very much into the analytics. And I'm told you just before,

1465
01:12:46.239 --> 01:12:48.920
<v Speaker 2>they literally have one of the team managers during every

1466
01:12:48.920 --> 01:12:53.920
<v Speaker 2>game is plugged in to Tim Asher's video, right the

1467
01:12:54.319 --> 01:12:56.520
<v Speaker 2>head video. Guys, you know who's up up up in

1468
01:12:56.560 --> 01:12:59.479
<v Speaker 2>the top recording he is plugged into and it has

1469
01:12:59.520 --> 01:13:02.439
<v Speaker 2>a laptop over by the bench, and he is logging

1470
01:13:02.720 --> 01:13:06.399
<v Speaker 2>every play live so that the coaches on their iPads

1471
01:13:06.439 --> 01:13:09.119
<v Speaker 2>can pull that up at any minute and show the

1472
01:13:09.159 --> 01:13:12.880
<v Speaker 2>players what they're talking about, which is mind boggling to

1473
01:13:12.880 --> 01:13:15.359
<v Speaker 2>me because we had to wait until the next day

1474
01:13:15.720 --> 01:13:17.960
<v Speaker 2>or in some cases a few hours later to watch

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01:13:18.000 --> 01:13:19.720
<v Speaker 2>film of the game and for coach to make his

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01:13:19.760 --> 01:13:22.039
<v Speaker 2>points and say because sometimes you don't realize you're doing

1477
01:13:22.319 --> 01:13:24.479
<v Speaker 2>until you see it on film. But what I love

1478
01:13:24.479 --> 01:13:27.600
<v Speaker 2>about Mark is that he is very much into the analytics.

1479
01:13:28.000 --> 01:13:30.680
<v Speaker 2>I would say in a major, major way, but he

1480
01:13:30.720 --> 01:13:35.159
<v Speaker 2>has also said something like this is that, look, at

1481
01:13:35.199 --> 01:13:37.520
<v Speaker 2>some point, you got to go with your gut. And

1482
01:13:37.560 --> 01:13:40.880
<v Speaker 2>that's what bothers me about analytics is that I appreciate them,

1483
01:13:41.359 --> 01:13:46.520
<v Speaker 2>I'm fascinated by them, but they're not It's not black

1484
01:13:46.560 --> 01:13:48.079
<v Speaker 2>and white. They're not the end all be all, because

1485
01:13:48.880 --> 01:13:53.079
<v Speaker 2>just from a personal experience, if you're going by the analytics,

1486
01:13:54.000 --> 01:13:56.560
<v Speaker 2>I don't. I'm not even in the game against Duke

1487
01:13:56.560 --> 01:14:00.119
<v Speaker 2>in nineteen ninety eight. I'm on the bench because I

1488
01:14:00.159 --> 01:14:03.680
<v Speaker 2>hadn't hit a three all tournament, So why would I

1489
01:14:03.720 --> 01:14:05.680
<v Speaker 2>be in the game when the game was on the line.

1490
01:14:05.680 --> 01:14:07.960
<v Speaker 3>Billy Packer pointed out, yeah.

1491
01:14:07.920 --> 01:14:12.319
<v Speaker 2>You love of all people, so but yeah, you know,

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01:14:12.439 --> 01:14:16.199
<v Speaker 2>I I I appreciate the analytics and I and I do.

1493
01:14:16.279 --> 01:14:18.239
<v Speaker 2>I find him fascinating and I and I think part

1494
01:14:18.279 --> 01:14:20.960
<v Speaker 2>of the reason if I don't. I mean, I got

1495
01:14:20.960 --> 01:14:22.680
<v Speaker 2>a friend named Kyle Man. I don't know if you

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01:14:22.680 --> 01:14:25.439
<v Speaker 2>know Kyle, but he works for the Ringer uh Ringer

1497
01:14:25.479 --> 01:14:29.119
<v Speaker 2>dot com and he's he lives in Louisville. He's a

1498
01:14:29.199 --> 01:14:31.960
<v Speaker 2>he's a Kentucky fan. I think think he might have

1499
01:14:32.000 --> 01:14:35.800
<v Speaker 2>actually been at practice yesterday. He he is. I got

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01:14:35.800 --> 01:14:38.479
<v Speaker 2>in touch. I found him on Twitter. I started following

1501
01:14:38.520 --> 01:14:40.479
<v Speaker 2>his Twitter account and I started following the things that

1502
01:14:40.520 --> 01:14:42.800
<v Speaker 2>he was saying. I'm like, dude, this guy knows more

1503
01:14:42.800 --> 01:14:46.159
<v Speaker 2>about current basketball than I do. So and I think

1504
01:14:46.199 --> 01:14:48.560
<v Speaker 2>I might have just got the job at JMI and

1505
01:14:48.640 --> 01:14:51.119
<v Speaker 2>so it was like, mantwork, Yeah, well yeah with a

1506
01:14:51.239 --> 01:14:53.800
<v Speaker 2>UK force network. So I'm like, you know what I

1507
01:14:53.840 --> 01:14:55.399
<v Speaker 2>need to I need to I need to have somebody

1508
01:14:55.399 --> 01:14:57.800
<v Speaker 2>in my life that can that could show me teach

1509
01:14:57.880 --> 01:15:00.680
<v Speaker 2>me analytics. And that's one thingle Kyle is don God's awesome.

1510
01:15:00.800 --> 01:15:01.960
<v Speaker 3>Let me let me run this by.

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01:15:01.880 --> 01:15:06.880
<v Speaker 1>Real quickly, since you're studying a little more acutely, I

1512
01:15:06.920 --> 01:15:10.880
<v Speaker 1>feel like analytics are as much, maybe more, a reflection

1513
01:15:11.840 --> 01:15:15.560
<v Speaker 1>of what has happened as opposed to a prediction of

1514
01:15:15.600 --> 01:15:16.399
<v Speaker 1>what will happen.

1515
01:15:16.439 --> 01:15:18.560
<v Speaker 3>But yeah, I mean, but too many times people lean

1516
01:15:18.640 --> 01:15:18.920
<v Speaker 3>on it.

1517
01:15:19.039 --> 01:15:21.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, here's what's going to happen if we do this,

1518
01:15:21.039 --> 01:15:22.359
<v Speaker 1>because here's what the numbers say.

1519
01:15:22.439 --> 01:15:25.760
<v Speaker 2>Well, and what bothers me the most is and again

1520
01:15:27.560 --> 01:15:31.760
<v Speaker 2>I understand fans being fans, but the criticism that fans

1521
01:15:31.840 --> 01:15:34.439
<v Speaker 2>lay at the feet of coaches sometimes because they didn't

1522
01:15:34.520 --> 01:15:37.880
<v Speaker 2>go with the analytics. They went with their heart because

1523
01:15:37.920 --> 01:15:39.920
<v Speaker 2>they just and I've heard it so many times, just

1524
01:15:39.960 --> 01:15:41.199
<v Speaker 2>felt like so and so was due.

1525
01:15:41.239 --> 01:15:41.720
<v Speaker 3>That's right.

1526
01:15:42.159 --> 01:15:44.279
<v Speaker 2>Well, you know what, it's so easy after a game

1527
01:15:44.319 --> 01:15:45.880
<v Speaker 2>when so and so might have been due but he

1528
01:15:45.960 --> 01:15:50.560
<v Speaker 2>didn't come through, because that's a great rhyme. And then

1529
01:15:50.600 --> 01:15:52.600
<v Speaker 2>for you to criticize a coach. But here's the thing

1530
01:15:52.600 --> 01:15:56.600
<v Speaker 2>that I'll always remind fans of what you see is

1531
01:15:56.680 --> 01:15:59.079
<v Speaker 2>five percent of what the coach has seen all week.

1532
01:15:59.319 --> 01:16:02.319
<v Speaker 2>The coach has been in practice, They've seen things that

1533
01:16:02.399 --> 01:16:07.399
<v Speaker 2>you haven't. So their their gut their estimation. Their hunches

1534
01:16:08.920 --> 01:16:11.199
<v Speaker 2>are a lot more powerful than what you're looking at.

1535
01:16:11.279 --> 01:16:12.560
<v Speaker 2>After the game's happened.

1536
01:16:12.239 --> 01:16:14.279
<v Speaker 1>Real quickly, as we only have a few minutes left.

1537
01:16:14.439 --> 01:16:16.760
<v Speaker 1>I mentioned this early in the show before you got

1538
01:16:16.760 --> 01:16:19.800
<v Speaker 1>to the garage. Kenny Brooks talked about the win over

1539
01:16:19.840 --> 01:16:22.119
<v Speaker 1>Florida yesterday. They had a twenty four point lead that

1540
01:16:22.199 --> 01:16:25.560
<v Speaker 1>got down to fourteen or so, never called a timeout.

1541
01:16:25.920 --> 01:16:28.439
<v Speaker 1>Florida made a run, and he said after the game,

1542
01:16:28.479 --> 01:16:31.560
<v Speaker 1>people might wonder, but he said, and again he had

1543
01:16:31.560 --> 01:16:34.560
<v Speaker 1>a bigger lead, and he knew his team. He said,

1544
01:16:34.840 --> 01:16:36.159
<v Speaker 1>they learn more.

1545
01:16:35.960 --> 01:16:36.920
<v Speaker 2>Yes, they do if.

1546
01:16:36.880 --> 01:16:39.239
<v Speaker 3>They figure it out on their own without me calling

1547
01:16:39.319 --> 01:16:39.760
<v Speaker 3>time out.

1548
01:16:39.800 --> 01:16:41.800
<v Speaker 2>You can go back to the very beginning of the season,

1549
01:16:42.319 --> 01:16:46.439
<v Speaker 2>right how many times where? And I didn't know that

1550
01:16:46.520 --> 01:16:49.600
<v Speaker 2>was the attitude, But I love that attitude because I

1551
01:16:49.640 --> 01:16:52.079
<v Speaker 2>started I started noticing like there would be runs and

1552
01:16:52.079 --> 01:16:54.800
<v Speaker 2>I'm thinking, Okay, Pope's gonna call timeout this not all right? Now?

1553
01:16:54.840 --> 01:16:56.800
<v Speaker 2>Is coming time out? And Pope would just be standing

1554
01:16:56.800 --> 01:16:59.520
<v Speaker 2>in their hand, hands behind his back, you know, head down,

1555
01:16:59.560 --> 01:17:03.600
<v Speaker 2>head up, head down, thinking right, and I'm like, what's

1556
01:17:03.640 --> 01:17:06.880
<v Speaker 2>he doing. Oh, He's gonna let them figure it out.

1557
01:17:07.039 --> 01:17:08.880
<v Speaker 2>From the very beginning of the season. He's done that

1558
01:17:08.920 --> 01:17:10.760
<v Speaker 2>with the players in practice well.

1559
01:17:10.600 --> 01:17:12.760
<v Speaker 1>And the best example of that, in my opinion, was

1560
01:17:12.800 --> 01:17:15.640
<v Speaker 1>when they were losing to Duke and Jack Gibbons has

1561
01:17:15.680 --> 01:17:17.600
<v Speaker 1>told this story more than one Yeah, and he could

1562
01:17:17.680 --> 01:17:20.720
<v Speaker 1>hear from his seat Pope's right over there, right, and

1563
01:17:20.760 --> 01:17:22.560
<v Speaker 1>he could hear Pope yelling.

1564
01:17:22.520 --> 01:17:26.920
<v Speaker 3>To his players, we're okay, We're okay, you know, which

1565
01:17:26.920 --> 01:17:28.760
<v Speaker 3>I think was more important than calling time.

1566
01:17:28.880 --> 01:17:31.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. But look, just just setting settling down and make

1567
01:17:31.840 --> 01:17:35.840
<v Speaker 2>them grow up and fight through the adversity how many

1568
01:17:35.880 --> 01:17:38.399
<v Speaker 2>times if you've not already, you will. As long as

1569
01:17:38.439 --> 01:17:40.560
<v Speaker 2>Mark Pope's head coach here, he will never veer away

1570
01:17:40.560 --> 01:17:43.479
<v Speaker 2>from this because this has been his mantra, I'm assuming

1571
01:17:43.520 --> 01:17:46.199
<v Speaker 2>since he was fourteen years old, maybe earlier. It certainly

1572
01:17:46.239 --> 01:17:50.560
<v Speaker 2>was why he was here. Fight through adversity, learn from adversity,

1573
01:17:50.880 --> 01:17:55.039
<v Speaker 2>Embrace adversity, learn more. Yes, that's why you learn more

1574
01:17:55.039 --> 01:17:57.119
<v Speaker 2>from losing than you do from winning. And though I

1575
01:17:57.159 --> 01:17:59.439
<v Speaker 2>don't want to lose every game, I want to lose

1576
01:17:59.479 --> 01:18:01.520
<v Speaker 2>one or two, I just don't want to. I just

1577
01:18:01.520 --> 01:18:04.520
<v Speaker 2>don't want to lose those last six. That's why everything

1578
01:18:04.760 --> 01:18:09.039
<v Speaker 2>or nothing matters until March and technically April for be

1579
01:18:09.039 --> 01:18:09.760
<v Speaker 2>pedantic about it.

1580
01:18:09.800 --> 01:18:12.880
<v Speaker 1>Well we will, we will converse more than once, and

1581
01:18:12.880 --> 01:18:15.560
<v Speaker 1>you will. You'll be heard on uh the UK Network

1582
01:18:15.560 --> 01:18:18.359
<v Speaker 1>pre game show so many many times. Well tomorrow especially,

1583
01:18:18.439 --> 01:18:23.000
<v Speaker 1>yeah tomorrow, But as as March draws near. But in

1584
01:18:23.039 --> 01:18:24.800
<v Speaker 1>a minute, do you have a pretty good feeling about

1585
01:18:24.800 --> 01:18:25.600
<v Speaker 1>this team right now?

1586
01:18:25.760 --> 01:18:28.359
<v Speaker 2>I freaking love this team. I still love this team.

1587
01:18:28.399 --> 01:18:31.039
<v Speaker 3>I look, just because they shoot a lot of threes.

1588
01:18:32.319 --> 01:18:33.960
<v Speaker 2>Well, I am jealous of the green light, you Stu,

1589
01:18:34.600 --> 01:18:36.800
<v Speaker 2>But look I had that green light too, and Pope

1590
01:18:36.800 --> 01:18:39.119
<v Speaker 2>has said that what will coach. Tito's mantra was if

1591
01:18:39.119 --> 01:18:40.640
<v Speaker 2>you are open and you do not shoot, you're on

1592
01:18:40.680 --> 01:18:44.399
<v Speaker 2>the bench. That's that's the green light. I love this team.

1593
01:18:44.439 --> 01:18:46.560
<v Speaker 2>I love this team's heart. I love that they are

1594
01:18:46.560 --> 01:18:49.439
<v Speaker 2>never out of a game. They aren't. I mean Georgia

1595
01:18:49.439 --> 01:18:52.039
<v Speaker 2>and I was standing they are they were, they are not.

1596
01:18:52.199 --> 01:18:56.560
<v Speaker 2>They they have the mentality let it get away. Yeah,

1597
01:18:56.560 --> 01:18:58.560
<v Speaker 2>but they never are out of a game. I don't

1598
01:18:58.560 --> 01:19:01.000
<v Speaker 2>care who now. The one thing that is when we're

1599
01:19:01.000 --> 01:19:04.520
<v Speaker 2>playing Georgia, when we're playing Clemson, you gotta win those

1600
01:19:04.560 --> 01:19:07.520
<v Speaker 2>games too. But the SEC is a bear, and Georgia

1601
01:19:07.560 --> 01:19:10.319
<v Speaker 2>may not be ranked but rankings are stupid anyway.

1602
01:19:10.960 --> 01:19:13.039
<v Speaker 3>I'm glad we didn't get bogged down on that today.

1603
01:19:13.119 --> 01:19:14.439
<v Speaker 2>See I saved that for the last times.

1604
01:19:14.760 --> 01:19:16.800
<v Speaker 1>That's right, next time, all right, brother, thank you, We

1605
01:19:16.840 --> 01:19:18.319
<v Speaker 1>will listen for you on the pregame show.

1606
01:19:18.319 --> 01:19:18.720
<v Speaker 2>Thanks sir.

1607
01:19:18.840 --> 01:19:21.239
<v Speaker 1>Always fun when Cameron comes by, he and Dave will

1608
01:19:21.239 --> 01:19:24.319
<v Speaker 1>start at seven o'clock. When Network covers meaning KSR Boys

1609
01:19:24.319 --> 01:19:27.439
<v Speaker 1>at six o'clock. Tomorrow night, Kats in Mississippi State at

1610
01:19:27.439 --> 01:19:29.840
<v Speaker 1>eight thirty. Hear it right here, that's it, good night

1611
01:19:29.880 --> 01:19:31.399
<v Speaker 1>from the garage in Lexington.

1612
01:19:31.720 --> 01:19:33.560
<v Speaker 2>Looks like I picked the wrong week for smoking.

1613
01:19:34.079 --> 01:19:36.720
<v Speaker 4>It's like I picked the wrong week. Quick, looks like

1614
01:19:36.760 --> 01:19:37.600
<v Speaker 4>I picked the wrong week.

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01:19:37.720 --> 01:20:08.880
<v Speaker 2>Quin On Fetamans picked the wrong week. Chris mana
