WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.200 --> 00:00:10.599 You see, something's going to happen. What's going to happen? 2 00:00:15.480 --> 00:00:28.199 What help? Welcome to the Occult Rejects. This episode, I 3 00:00:28.199 --> 00:00:30.120 got my man, Jenda Ninja with me and we got 4 00:00:30.120 --> 00:00:33.600 a new guest on, Alexander Moore, the Hex Doctor. But 5 00:00:33.719 --> 00:00:37.520 before we introduce Alexander, we got Jenda Ninja, who's gonna 6 00:00:37.560 --> 00:00:39.600 remind you where where you can find all his amazing 7 00:00:39.640 --> 00:00:41.799 work and in case you haven't heard about him yet, 8 00:00:42.159 --> 00:00:43.399 listen to where he's going to tell you to go 9 00:00:43.479 --> 00:00:44.119 check out his stuff. 10 00:00:45.560 --> 00:00:48.479 Thanks boss, mister ninety three, appreciate it. As always, I 11 00:00:48.520 --> 00:00:51.119 always love coming on the show. And thanks to alex 12 00:00:51.159 --> 00:00:55.960 of course, because he and I recorded a very long form, 13 00:00:56.079 --> 00:01:00.439 very discursive, maybe a little fiery, but very interesting, very 14 00:01:00.439 --> 00:01:05.239 interesting episode that I'm really looking forward to. I had recently. 15 00:01:05.239 --> 00:01:08.359 I had Paul Frederick on from the Demonosofti podcast, as 16 00:01:08.400 --> 00:01:11.359 well as Gregory Peters, who just wrote the new a 17 00:01:11.519 --> 00:01:14.280 On Contra. So obviously if you followed me, you know 18 00:01:14.359 --> 00:01:17.120 that I'm interested in the a on of Mott workings, 19 00:01:17.599 --> 00:01:20.079 but I don't use that framework. But anyways, I just 20 00:01:20.159 --> 00:01:24.519 dropped an episode today on the Kabbala of Cool World, 21 00:01:24.760 --> 00:01:27.200 the nineteen ninety four film. So I've done a long 22 00:01:27.280 --> 00:01:30.840 form five part series on Ralph Bokshie and sort of 23 00:01:30.879 --> 00:01:33.760 the speculative kabala of the entire thing with my friend 24 00:01:33.879 --> 00:01:38.480 Eric who's also a podcaster, and so that's been really cool, 25 00:01:38.560 --> 00:01:41.760 and so that dropped if people are interested, and you 26 00:01:41.799 --> 00:01:45.239 can find me at twycm Reborn on Twitter, x wuko 27 00:01:45.319 --> 00:01:48.640 and g Reborn. Of course Threshold Saints, Spotify, Apple, anywhere 28 00:01:48.640 --> 00:01:52.079 you get your podcasts at Threshold Saints on x Twitter 29 00:01:52.319 --> 00:01:56.280 as well as ig and of course our Metamagic show, 30 00:01:56.359 --> 00:02:01.159 which is speculative narcissism every Friday night Friday Night and 31 00:02:01.200 --> 00:02:03.079 not sing Mass as we call it, although sometimes we 32 00:02:03.120 --> 00:02:05.599 do series as well. But you can check us out 33 00:02:05.599 --> 00:02:08.120 at the True Gray Lodge dot com which is t 34 00:02:08.479 --> 00:02:11.439 r ve gray Lodge dot com, as well as our 35 00:02:11.479 --> 00:02:15.360 YouTube channel, which I ask everyone to like and subscribe, 36 00:02:15.400 --> 00:02:17.960 and uh pretty much that's what that's what we're up to, 37 00:02:18.000 --> 00:02:19.680 and you can check out all our other co hosts. 38 00:02:19.800 --> 00:02:22.879 Matt has joined the panel permit like full time now 39 00:02:22.919 --> 00:02:25.159 and so I think it's great. I think like check 40 00:02:25.159 --> 00:02:27.280 out Matt Murra, checkout Joshua the Branch, and check out 41 00:02:27.280 --> 00:02:30.879 Sollar exile and Mike of course. So yeah, this is 42 00:02:30.879 --> 00:02:33.000 the five of Us and can we we do a 43 00:02:33.039 --> 00:02:33.800 little rock and roll? 44 00:02:34.479 --> 00:02:37.240 Yeah, no, definitely. I definitely suggested go take out those spaces, 45 00:02:37.759 --> 00:02:44.879 very very well done. Good stuff too. And uh finally, Alexander, sir, please, 46 00:02:45.159 --> 00:02:47.960 uh first time on the show. Let everybody know where 47 00:02:47.960 --> 00:02:50.280 they can find your stuff and uh give maybe give 48 00:02:50.319 --> 00:02:51.680 them a little bit of an idea of like what 49 00:02:51.719 --> 00:02:52.960 your show is about and what you do. 50 00:02:53.960 --> 00:02:57.039 Oh yeah, so you find me on practical ocult dot com. 51 00:02:57.400 --> 00:02:59.800 I'm one half of it. My business partner Allison. She 52 00:02:59.840 --> 00:03:03.039 makes the solemonic panicles, the pgm amulets, all that stuff 53 00:03:03.800 --> 00:03:05.599 which you can purchase if you so choose. I do 54 00:03:05.719 --> 00:03:11.280 the divination spell work for higher pedagogy, personal student instruction, 55 00:03:11.439 --> 00:03:15.120 and pre recording courses of all sorts. If you want 56 00:03:15.159 --> 00:03:17.520 to find me on Instagram, I'm at the hex Doctor. 57 00:03:18.319 --> 00:03:20.400 I often say the Practical Occult. If you read anything 58 00:03:20.439 --> 00:03:24.000 I write there is very above board. The hex Doctor 59 00:03:24.039 --> 00:03:26.639 is Practical Occult after Dark where I got, I get unhinged, 60 00:03:26.680 --> 00:03:30.840 I got memes, I got dreams. You know, maybe you'll 61 00:03:30.879 --> 00:03:33.159 like it, maybe you won't. If you don't that's Ah, 62 00:03:33.599 --> 00:03:37.319 that's your problem on mine, because you know I'm I'm 63 00:03:37.639 --> 00:03:39.919 I'm here to be I'm here to be dedicated. I'm 64 00:03:39.919 --> 00:03:41.879 gonna be starting a sub staxtuone which is going to 65 00:03:41.919 --> 00:03:44.319 be even more unhinged. The deeper you go, the weirder 66 00:03:44.360 --> 00:03:49.439 it's going to get. Uh like that in general, man, Like, 67 00:03:49.479 --> 00:03:52.360 that's it's my thing. My thing is magic that works 68 00:03:52.400 --> 00:03:55.120 and getting better at it sounds good. 69 00:03:55.240 --> 00:03:59.599 I like the way that sounds all right. Uh So, 70 00:03:59.719 --> 00:04:02.120 I mean regular question that always seems to be yes 71 00:04:02.280 --> 00:04:04.719 to me whenever I go on a new show, So 72 00:04:04.759 --> 00:04:06.199 I might as well just go with the same thing. 73 00:04:07.120 --> 00:04:10.599 What was it that I guess got you to even 74 00:04:10.599 --> 00:04:13.000 get into the occult or so entertaining that stuff? 75 00:04:13.560 --> 00:04:16.439 My dad does it? Yeah, Like my father's a solemnonic 76 00:04:16.480 --> 00:04:20.839 magician and a folk magician. You know. When I was 77 00:04:20.879 --> 00:04:22.839 thirteen because when things growing up, I always knew that 78 00:04:22.879 --> 00:04:24.360 magic was real because he proved it. That was the 79 00:04:24.360 --> 00:04:27.000 biggest thing. He proved it to me. He was like, 80 00:04:27.000 --> 00:04:28.399 I don't want you to think that this is fake. 81 00:04:28.480 --> 00:04:29.920 I don't want you to think of them making shit up. 82 00:04:29.920 --> 00:04:31.240 And he would be like, tell me to do something, 83 00:04:31.279 --> 00:04:33.759 what do you want and he would do it and 84 00:04:33.800 --> 00:04:35.720 it would always happen. He'd be like, tell me what 85 00:04:35.759 --> 00:04:37.240 you need to know, and he could know things that 86 00:04:37.279 --> 00:04:39.319 he shouldn't be able to know. He was able to 87 00:04:39.360 --> 00:04:41.079 do all this shit. And he was like, when you're thirteen, 88 00:04:41.160 --> 00:04:44.199 you get to start too. And I'll tell you, man, 89 00:04:44.279 --> 00:04:46.279 between ages twelve and thirteen, I was chomping at the 90 00:04:46.279 --> 00:04:47.279 fucking bit, you know what I mean. 91 00:04:47.399 --> 00:04:47.720 I was. 92 00:04:48.319 --> 00:04:51.160 I was doing everything I could to get there. And again, 93 00:04:51.240 --> 00:04:54.879 you know, looking back, having the live wire of like 94 00:04:54.959 --> 00:04:57.399 real magic in my hands as a hormonal teenager, probably 95 00:04:57.439 --> 00:05:01.600 not the uh, probably not the best thing for like, 96 00:05:02.600 --> 00:05:05.920 you know, living a normal, less unhinged life. But he 97 00:05:05.959 --> 00:05:08.079 didn't really give a shit and that's how I got started. 98 00:05:08.079 --> 00:05:10.879 And from there I met teachers that either knew him 99 00:05:11.000 --> 00:05:13.879 or I would do magic to meet other teachers, you know, 100 00:05:13.959 --> 00:05:16.360 ask spirits to bring me mentors and things. And it's 101 00:05:16.399 --> 00:05:19.199 been a lifelong obsession for twenty four years now. 102 00:05:20.639 --> 00:05:24.279 Nice. Oh wow, that's a long time. Actually, yeah, some 103 00:05:24.279 --> 00:05:28.319 amount of time, dude. Yeah, you know, it's it's interesting 104 00:05:28.480 --> 00:05:29.959 to hit me with the folk magic. I mean, you 105 00:05:30.000 --> 00:05:34.199 mentioned that earlier too. What would you consider for the 106 00:05:34.240 --> 00:05:36.519 listeners who mean not actually, because I don't think I've 107 00:05:36.519 --> 00:05:39.480 really ever had anybody on for folk magic. What would 108 00:05:39.519 --> 00:05:41.759 be your, I guess definition of folk magic for people? 109 00:05:41.959 --> 00:05:45.920 So it's it's defined very differently, honestly, just set at 110 00:05:45.920 --> 00:05:48.199 the risk of being a little bit spicy. Depending on 111 00:05:48.240 --> 00:05:49.759 how political a person is, you're going to get a 112 00:05:49.800 --> 00:05:53.720 different answer you're gonna get, you know. And again it's 113 00:05:53.879 --> 00:05:56.480 from from from my perspective. When I say folk magic, 114 00:05:56.560 --> 00:06:00.639 what I mean is things like candle magic, make poppets, 115 00:06:00.759 --> 00:06:03.639 making charm bags, doing things like that, But it goes 116 00:06:03.639 --> 00:06:07.319 a little deeper than that in a more operative, animistic fashion. Now, 117 00:06:07.480 --> 00:06:10.519 the biggest thing is regionally in the United States, you're 118 00:06:10.519 --> 00:06:13.199 gonna have different kinds of folk magic. So most people 119 00:06:13.360 --> 00:06:16.000 when they hear about like folk magic, the thing about 120 00:06:16.000 --> 00:06:19.480 who do now? Who do? Suffers from not a lie 121 00:06:19.560 --> 00:06:22.879 but an academic distortion. So Harry Hyatt wrote his Higatt 122 00:06:22.920 --> 00:06:26.720 material and that became the only written idea for a 123 00:06:26.759 --> 00:06:29.720 long time on who do So people associated with Delta 124 00:06:30.240 --> 00:06:33.319 regional who do now? If you study who do for 125 00:06:33.360 --> 00:06:35.879 example in Macon, Georgia, which I did, and in various 126 00:06:35.879 --> 00:06:39.600 parts of Appalachia, you'll see entirely different systems. There's a 127 00:06:39.639 --> 00:06:42.240 book called American Shamans by a guy called Jake Richards 128 00:06:42.279 --> 00:06:45.839 who interviews in the seventies a bunch of practitioners of 129 00:06:46.040 --> 00:06:49.279 conjure folk magic who do work. It's all different words 130 00:06:49.279 --> 00:06:50.879 for the same thing. People hate me for saying that, 131 00:06:50.920 --> 00:06:53.519 but it is, and you will see a lot more 132 00:06:53.519 --> 00:06:58.199 focused on out of body experiences, psychic development, speaking to 133 00:06:58.240 --> 00:07:01.279 the spirits within things as opposed to simply I'm going 134 00:07:01.360 --> 00:07:02.920 to light a candle. Now, don't get me wrong. A 135 00:07:02.920 --> 00:07:05.079 good folk magician, you don't want them burning a candle 136 00:07:05.120 --> 00:07:07.279 on you because they can hurt you. The biggest thing 137 00:07:07.319 --> 00:07:10.040 that I would say about folk magic that people lose 138 00:07:10.079 --> 00:07:12.439 out on is the depth of it, and that can 139 00:07:12.480 --> 00:07:15.759 be found the example of putting live things in somebody, 140 00:07:15.839 --> 00:07:20.199 The idea of producing physical snakes, worms, parasites in a 141 00:07:20.199 --> 00:07:22.240 person that they vomit up using only magic. 142 00:07:22.319 --> 00:07:23.199 I have heard of it. 143 00:07:23.759 --> 00:07:25.720 This is a thing that has been documented in the 144 00:07:25.759 --> 00:07:29.600 US newspapers forever. In fact, some of our earliest poisoning 145 00:07:29.680 --> 00:07:34.560 laws are as a result of slaves making human figures 146 00:07:34.600 --> 00:07:38.120 of somebody and praying over them, because a spiritual poison 147 00:07:38.240 --> 00:07:41.600 was considered and ought to still be considered as genuine 148 00:07:41.600 --> 00:07:45.199 as a physical one. Now, this also dovetails in the 149 00:07:45.199 --> 00:07:48.000 most cases into like solomonic magic, because a lot of 150 00:07:48.000 --> 00:07:50.399 people will use the Greater Key of Solomon as a 151 00:07:50.439 --> 00:07:54.720 broad framing right structure for their folk magic. So the 152 00:07:56.120 --> 00:07:58.519 enchantment you do before you summon or before you consecrate 153 00:07:58.560 --> 00:08:01.160 the pentacles, and the stuff you do directly after, if 154 00:08:01.160 --> 00:08:03.600 you bookend your folk magic with that, it boosts its power, 155 00:08:04.120 --> 00:08:07.199 right because you're calling on several different forces to bring 156 00:08:07.199 --> 00:08:08.959 it in. If you add folks, if you add planetary 157 00:08:08.959 --> 00:08:12.399 hours to your folk magic even more right, it all 158 00:08:12.439 --> 00:08:15.160 scales up all towards the purpose of once again your 159 00:08:15.240 --> 00:08:16.439 shit working. 160 00:08:17.879 --> 00:08:20.519 You. Uh No, I have like a few questions here 161 00:08:20.879 --> 00:08:23.079 when it comes to folk magic. Would you also consider 162 00:08:23.120 --> 00:08:26.639 that almost something that's like very uh, it's very much 163 00:08:26.639 --> 00:08:28.240 in like the area that you're from. 164 00:08:28.720 --> 00:08:30.879 Almost, Yeah, I mean it could be, so I would 165 00:08:30.920 --> 00:08:33.039 argue that it once was more now than it is 166 00:08:33.240 --> 00:08:35.960 because the area that we're from is the fucking Internet, right, 167 00:08:36.159 --> 00:08:39.039 like like like yeah, if you find like an old 168 00:08:39.080 --> 00:08:42.600 head in the game, they'll tell you that you should 169 00:08:42.600 --> 00:08:45.080 go and learn the bioregion where you live or where 170 00:08:45.080 --> 00:08:46.759 you're from, go learn what the herbs do and stuff, 171 00:08:46.759 --> 00:08:51.600 and you should. That's great to do, right, But in reality, 172 00:08:52.159 --> 00:08:54.399 and this is where I get a lot of people 173 00:08:54.480 --> 00:08:57.600 kind of fucked up. Is like this more than just 174 00:08:57.639 --> 00:09:01.120 the roots and herbs. Ideas can be can promises can 175 00:09:01.159 --> 00:09:03.600 be conjured. For example, everyone knows if they get a 176 00:09:03.600 --> 00:09:05.360 piece of your hair, some of your blood, some of 177 00:09:05.399 --> 00:09:07.519 your skin, they can work you. But if you make 178 00:09:07.559 --> 00:09:10.240 a promise, you gave them part of yourself. If you 179 00:09:10.279 --> 00:09:13.039 send a nude, you gave them part of yourself. 180 00:09:13.480 --> 00:09:13.639 Right. 181 00:09:13.639 --> 00:09:15.879 If someone gets their hands on your natal chart, they 182 00:09:15.919 --> 00:09:17.879 got they got you, they got the moment you were born. 183 00:09:17.919 --> 00:09:19.639 They can conjure you. They can work you, to quote 184 00:09:19.679 --> 00:09:21.320 an old teacher of mine, pick you up, put you down, 185 00:09:21.399 --> 00:09:24.279 turn you all the way around, and they can. Right. 186 00:09:25.159 --> 00:09:27.240 But the thing is, you're from the Internet. I remember 187 00:09:27.279 --> 00:09:29.799 being a kid and thinking to myself, you know, oh, 188 00:09:29.879 --> 00:09:31.600 well shit, you know, I can't get a hold of 189 00:09:31.600 --> 00:09:35.639 someone's picture. But then MySpace happened, and I remember a 190 00:09:35.679 --> 00:09:37.519 teacher might at the time. I told her about it, 191 00:09:37.519 --> 00:09:39.799 and she went, they're putting their pictures out there, They're 192 00:09:39.799 --> 00:09:44.960 putting their parents' names, their birthdays, everything I can get anybody. 193 00:09:45.000 --> 00:09:48.000 Now you print out that shit, because again, it's one 194 00:09:48.039 --> 00:09:49.320 of like even like even if you look at like 195 00:09:49.360 --> 00:09:51.320 PGM sorcery, it's a lot of like so and so, 196 00:09:51.360 --> 00:09:54.279 who's so and so bore? Right, So, let's say you 197 00:09:54.320 --> 00:09:56.320 go on your LinkedIn or something. Let's say let's say 198 00:09:56.360 --> 00:09:57.960 you want to get a job, right, because it all 199 00:09:57.960 --> 00:09:59.440 has to work right. And see, when you get a job, 200 00:09:59.480 --> 00:10:01.039 you find to hire manager of the company. You got 201 00:10:01.039 --> 00:10:03.639 their picture on LinkedIn. Maybe you could find their Facebook 202 00:10:03.720 --> 00:10:06.399 or whatever out of that. Maybe you can't, but if 203 00:10:06.399 --> 00:10:08.440 you look deep enough, you can find shit about their family. 204 00:10:08.480 --> 00:10:11.039 So you're like, all right, hiring manager Joe Smith, who 205 00:10:11.240 --> 00:10:14.360 Martha Smith bore born on this day whatever, You're going 206 00:10:14.440 --> 00:10:16.000 to hire me? And then if you want to scale 207 00:10:16.000 --> 00:10:18.559 it up into solemonic, you get yourself the third pinnacle 208 00:10:18.559 --> 00:10:20.440 of the sun. You print that motherfucker out in the 209 00:10:20.480 --> 00:10:22.200 day of the day and hour of the sun. You 210 00:10:22.320 --> 00:10:24.279 put the picture of the person on the thing. You 211 00:10:24.360 --> 00:10:26.200 conjure it correctly. You know the name of the father son, 212 00:10:26.240 --> 00:10:28.440 holy ghost. I make you Joe Smith. Whatever happens to 213 00:10:28.440 --> 00:10:31.360 you is this thing, and then you light some candles 214 00:10:31.360 --> 00:10:34.000 around it. You use like the first pinnacle of the sun, 215 00:10:34.120 --> 00:10:35.919 or no, I'm sorry, the third pinnacle, the son, the 216 00:10:35.919 --> 00:10:38.919 control plentacle with the stave things and each of those 217 00:10:38.960 --> 00:10:41.000 angels and a cardinal point. You call all of them all, 218 00:10:41.039 --> 00:10:42.639 you call all of them in a certain order, and 219 00:10:42.679 --> 00:10:45.519 you're like, help me work this motherfucker, make me shine 220 00:10:45.519 --> 00:10:47.320 bright in this guy's eyes, and then boom, you got 221 00:10:47.360 --> 00:10:49.120 the job. Even if it's over zoom, even if it's 222 00:10:49.120 --> 00:10:51.759 over a resume doesn't or even if it's over a 223 00:10:51.799 --> 00:10:54.840 hiring thing doesn't matter. You got them. So from a distance, 224 00:10:54.919 --> 00:10:57.279 especially because again, where are we from. We're from the Internet. 225 00:10:57.320 --> 00:10:59.679 That's the world. Now you can work anybody. 226 00:11:01.840 --> 00:11:02.960 Damn, that was impressive. 227 00:11:04.279 --> 00:11:06.399 Can I say a couple Can I say a couple 228 00:11:06.360 --> 00:11:08.159 of bars? Nick? I just want to say that was 229 00:11:08.200 --> 00:11:11.279 a great point Alex about that we are from the Internet, 230 00:11:11.320 --> 00:11:13.639 and the Internet is the carnal ground. So the Internet 231 00:11:13.720 --> 00:11:17.240 is a great place to do magic on people. As 232 00:11:17.279 --> 00:11:20.840 well as you should guard your birthday. I know nobody, 233 00:11:20.960 --> 00:11:24.039 nobody likes that advice, but you really should guard your 234 00:11:24.039 --> 00:11:27.600 birthday and your logna, particularly which is your birth time. 235 00:11:28.240 --> 00:11:30.879 People underestimate how potent that is, but that's a very 236 00:11:30.919 --> 00:11:34.120 potent idea tontra as well, that you can actually take 237 00:11:34.159 --> 00:11:37.360 someone shock to someone's power through their logna. 238 00:11:37.960 --> 00:11:40.600 Yeah. Yeah, and in conjure it's called stealing someone's stars. 239 00:11:40.600 --> 00:11:43.639 It's the same thing. Yeah, I mean it's like it's 240 00:11:44.120 --> 00:11:46.399 you could just do it right, like they're like or 241 00:11:46.840 --> 00:11:51.039 stealing someone's luck, sealing someone's nature, right, their personal power. 242 00:11:51.639 --> 00:11:52.919 I mean, it's it's it's a it's a it's a 243 00:11:52.960 --> 00:11:55.399 dirty game. You know. If you go down to the 244 00:11:55.399 --> 00:11:57.440 ground level, people get people get aggressive. 245 00:11:58.919 --> 00:12:00.639 I'll make sure to have a funck BD if we 246 00:12:00.679 --> 00:12:01.960 got to give her all my information. 247 00:12:04.480 --> 00:12:06.759 I'm just saying it's but you can also protect it, right, 248 00:12:06.799 --> 00:12:09.440 you can. You can. You can poison shit like that, right, 249 00:12:09.519 --> 00:12:11.440 Like let's say you got a social media presence, you 250 00:12:11.519 --> 00:12:13.840 got ops, right, because we all do. What you do 251 00:12:13.960 --> 00:12:15.919 is you make a you make a fake candle spell 252 00:12:16.840 --> 00:12:19.639 that looks like something but in reality at something else, 253 00:12:19.679 --> 00:12:21.360 Like you make a look at prosperity spell, but you 254 00:12:21.360 --> 00:12:24.639 put like the fourth Pinnacle of Saturn underneath it. You 255 00:12:24.679 --> 00:12:27.200 call those spirits and you're like, any motherfucker prints this out, 256 00:12:27.240 --> 00:12:30.039 tapes it to a candle, get them like poison their lives. 257 00:12:30.039 --> 00:12:32.879 That's how you make like a honey trap, right, And 258 00:12:32.960 --> 00:12:35.440 you know, I mean again, you know, like I always 259 00:12:35.440 --> 00:12:38.320 tell my students, game is game, right, and I'm a player, 260 00:12:38.399 --> 00:12:40.559 you know what I mean, Like it's you've got to 261 00:12:40.759 --> 00:12:43.559 you got to understand that the world is a hairier 262 00:12:43.600 --> 00:12:45.720 place than it was, say, ten years ago, as a 263 00:12:45.759 --> 00:12:47.519 result of this in the first world anyway. 264 00:12:47.559 --> 00:12:52.200 Oh yeah, all right, well, uh, thank you for the 265 00:12:52.600 --> 00:12:55.879 thing with the folk magic. I appreciate you. I thought 266 00:12:55.879 --> 00:12:56.960 it was well well said. 267 00:12:57.080 --> 00:12:58.360 Thank you, thanks man. 268 00:12:58.480 --> 00:13:02.000 Yeah, thanks. I guess like the solomonic magic, I mean 269 00:13:02.039 --> 00:13:04.840 for the people who that's something I have not really 270 00:13:04.919 --> 00:13:07.000 covered too much. I had somebody on for the Goetia 271 00:13:07.039 --> 00:13:08.440 and it was like they were kind of like showing 272 00:13:08.480 --> 00:13:11.200 like their new take on I guess. And you know, 273 00:13:11.240 --> 00:13:13.120 for me it was interesting, it made sense, but I 274 00:13:13.120 --> 00:13:15.600 mean it's I have to actually be practical with it 275 00:13:15.679 --> 00:13:18.879 and use it to see what's going on. You know, 276 00:13:18.960 --> 00:13:20.799 if you don't mind, could you like maybe get into 277 00:13:20.919 --> 00:13:23.399 like a little bit of explaining like what solomonic magic 278 00:13:23.399 --> 00:13:24.360 would be for the listeners? 279 00:13:25.360 --> 00:13:27.960 Yeah, sure, I mean all right, so some people are 280 00:13:28.000 --> 00:13:30.000 going to be a little bit more precious about it 281 00:13:30.039 --> 00:13:33.519 in religious terms. A lot of solomonic magicians become or 282 00:13:33.559 --> 00:13:36.440 are started as fairly religious people, and they believe that 283 00:13:36.480 --> 00:13:38.480 it's like the holdover of the pre sood of malpiece 284 00:13:38.519 --> 00:13:41.080 deck or whatever. For me, it's a method of spiritual 285 00:13:41.120 --> 00:13:48.000 technology that either summons peaceably celestial or terrestrial spirits or 286 00:13:48.039 --> 00:13:52.559 forcibly compels cathonic or infernal spirits to do what you 287 00:13:52.600 --> 00:13:55.039 need them to do. You summon an angel, maybe they'll 288 00:13:55.039 --> 00:13:56.840 do what you want, maybe they won't. They can say no, 289 00:13:57.120 --> 00:13:58.639 or they can say yes and give you the thing 290 00:13:58.639 --> 00:14:01.519 that they think you need. You sum in a planetary spirit, 291 00:14:01.559 --> 00:14:04.480 it's going to be a little more order of the petition. 292 00:14:04.480 --> 00:14:07.000 You sum in an elemental same thing you some in 293 00:14:07.039 --> 00:14:08.960 a demon. You need to kind of beat on it 294 00:14:09.000 --> 00:14:13.159 a little bit and then bind it. They respect force, 295 00:14:13.200 --> 00:14:16.200 they respect pain. I'm a pretty traditionalist when it comes 296 00:14:16.240 --> 00:14:18.000 to solomonic magic. I do it the way it's written 297 00:14:18.000 --> 00:14:21.879 in the book. With certain exceptions. I will say, you 298 00:14:21.879 --> 00:14:25.480 can do certain energy cultivations and things to supersede the 299 00:14:25.559 --> 00:14:30.000 fasting to open your spiritual senses in a different way. 300 00:14:30.039 --> 00:14:31.279 But if you're going to do it the full way, 301 00:14:31.320 --> 00:14:33.600 do the fast like it says, you get the kit 302 00:14:33.799 --> 00:14:35.960 as best you can. Not everybody has the means to 303 00:14:36.000 --> 00:14:38.879 get the whole kit. That is what it is that 304 00:14:39.039 --> 00:14:42.639 we have plenty of textual example. Stephen Skinner, for example, 305 00:14:42.679 --> 00:14:45.399 produces a shit ton of examples of the fact that 306 00:14:45.440 --> 00:14:47.600 there are a lot of people who didn't throughout history. 307 00:14:47.720 --> 00:14:49.879 There was an example of the excellent Book of Visions 308 00:14:49.879 --> 00:14:54.080 by Alexander Cummins that gives an example of two magicians 309 00:14:54.159 --> 00:14:57.159 asking spirits, what is the least that I need and 310 00:14:57.200 --> 00:14:58.879 what is the most that I could have to get 311 00:14:58.879 --> 00:15:01.440 this done? So you keep that in mind too. You 312 00:15:01.480 --> 00:15:03.240 don't need to be perfect. You just need to be smart. 313 00:15:03.480 --> 00:15:06.000 The protective philactories that you make, the protect the family 314 00:15:06.039 --> 00:15:07.519 that you ought to make those as best you can 315 00:15:07.559 --> 00:15:10.919 because it can be dangerous. But in general, you do 316 00:15:11.000 --> 00:15:13.919 the thing you say the words for. You know, if 317 00:15:13.919 --> 00:15:16.279 it's the first time summoning that specific spirit, you might 318 00:15:16.279 --> 00:15:18.200 be conjuring for three to four hours for it to 319 00:15:18.240 --> 00:15:20.519 show up. In some cases, you've got to really put 320 00:15:20.519 --> 00:15:22.960 your you know, put you put your ass into it, 321 00:15:22.960 --> 00:15:24.840 you know what I mean, because especially because I mean 322 00:15:24.879 --> 00:15:26.559 you want to see it ideally, you want to you 323 00:15:26.559 --> 00:15:28.559 want to see it Now this is where people get 324 00:15:28.600 --> 00:15:30.240 kind of fucked up. If you read your grip up, 325 00:15:30.879 --> 00:15:34.639 you'll understand that the visionary capacity of a human being is, 326 00:15:34.720 --> 00:15:39.720 in the Renaissance worldview, as real as your physical site. Okay, now, 327 00:15:39.840 --> 00:15:42.120 does that mean you can't physically see these spirits? Sometimes 328 00:15:42.159 --> 00:15:44.840 you can. Sometimes they're full HD right in front of you. 329 00:15:44.919 --> 00:15:47.919 Sometimes they're not. The point is less to see them 330 00:15:47.919 --> 00:15:49.480 and more to get them to do ship for you. 331 00:15:50.279 --> 00:15:52.120 All right, So it's it's it's the old get laid, 332 00:15:52.120 --> 00:15:55.159 get paid, get even, right, like that's the name of 333 00:15:55.200 --> 00:15:57.720 the game. Sometimes because this is what you're here for, 334 00:15:57.799 --> 00:15:59.639 You're not necessarily and this this is this, This pisses 335 00:15:59.639 --> 00:16:04.120 a lot of demon all that are types off, but like, 336 00:16:04.519 --> 00:16:08.519 you're not here for spiritual evolution talking to these things. There. 337 00:16:08.600 --> 00:16:11.279 There's plenty of spirits that can get you there, plenty 338 00:16:11.279 --> 00:16:13.480 of spirits and plenty of just even just being adjacent 339 00:16:13.480 --> 00:16:15.039 to this for long enough time, I will give you 340 00:16:15.080 --> 00:16:18.840 spiritual experiences that are very valid. In my opinion, people 341 00:16:18.840 --> 00:16:21.759 disagree with me. Demons aren't for that. They're not your friends. 342 00:16:22.480 --> 00:16:25.360 Even the ones that are listed is more peaceable, less harmful, 343 00:16:25.519 --> 00:16:28.440 and they are indeed more peaceable and less harmful. They're not. 344 00:16:28.639 --> 00:16:28.919 They're not. 345 00:16:28.960 --> 00:16:31.919 They're not there to like shepherd you into grace and glory. 346 00:16:31.960 --> 00:16:34.600 They're not there to shepherd you in some true dark 347 00:16:34.679 --> 00:16:38.720 gnosis that some people will fuck with. They're they're gonna 348 00:16:38.720 --> 00:16:43.080 fuck with you. Yeah. Yeah, read your Agrippa Hamburglar one, 349 00:16:43.159 --> 00:16:44.919 two three. You know you'll be one of the five 350 00:16:44.960 --> 00:16:48.960 people who ever fucking did Everyone loves buy the I 351 00:16:49.039 --> 00:16:51.559 got the new Purdue edition based edition by the way. 352 00:16:51.720 --> 00:16:53.919 Oh my god, it's great. You read it. Nah, No, 353 00:16:54.200 --> 00:16:56.080 I'm gonna get to it. I'm gonna get to it. 354 00:16:56.320 --> 00:16:58.600 But you know, how old is the Purdue edition? 355 00:16:59.679 --> 00:17:01.799 Oh, it's it's the more it's the more recent when 356 00:17:01.879 --> 00:17:04.079 Eric Produce spent like a billioneres making and it's good. 357 00:17:04.640 --> 00:17:07.559 I'm wondering maybe it's like maybe five or six years old. 358 00:17:07.599 --> 00:17:10.920 I believe. I mean, the one that I have is even. 359 00:17:10.759 --> 00:17:13.319 The original Tyson addition that people loved when I was 360 00:17:13.359 --> 00:17:15.920 growing up. You know, read the Ship. You don't need 361 00:17:15.960 --> 00:17:18.000 to read it all at once, obviously, but like, you know, 362 00:17:18.079 --> 00:17:19.759 make it a point, you know, spend twenty minutes a 363 00:17:19.799 --> 00:17:20.440 day reading. 364 00:17:20.240 --> 00:17:23.680 The Bastrooms so much in that book it is you. 365 00:17:23.640 --> 00:17:25.160 Will, but it will teach you a lot about the 366 00:17:25.160 --> 00:17:29.559 metaphysics involved in the Western Grimwore tradition specifically. And he 367 00:17:29.599 --> 00:17:31.559 talks about shit that like little gems, right, Like he 368 00:17:31.559 --> 00:17:33.920 talks about two headed possession, for example in his chapter 369 00:17:33.960 --> 00:17:36.039 on frenzy and no one wants and it's one of 370 00:17:36.079 --> 00:17:37.799 those things that you bring that up and people are like, 371 00:17:37.839 --> 00:17:39.920 what he does that. I'm like, you didn't read that shit, 372 00:17:40.559 --> 00:17:43.319 you know what I mean? But no, So like that's 373 00:17:43.319 --> 00:17:46.480 the thing. Goaeisha is about getting shit done, and it's 374 00:17:46.519 --> 00:17:48.880 all really about enhancing you. Right, So if you look 375 00:17:48.880 --> 00:17:52.920 at like broader Grimwore traditions, like in the Lmegatin which 376 00:17:52.920 --> 00:17:55.359 includes the Gaisia, you also have something. You also have 377 00:17:55.400 --> 00:17:57.880 things like the Almadel which have also done you know, 378 00:17:58.000 --> 00:18:00.440 some angels of various seasons they give you cool shit, 379 00:18:00.640 --> 00:18:02.720 They enhance your life. But if you do it spring 380 00:18:02.759 --> 00:18:05.519 all the way through winter, they kind of write the 381 00:18:05.599 --> 00:18:08.240 ship of your life. Like those can give you spiritual 382 00:18:08.240 --> 00:18:12.279 guidance as well as physical boons. Right, If that's what 383 00:18:12.359 --> 00:18:15.359 you want, then absolutely do that when it's easier in 384 00:18:15.400 --> 00:18:17.720 so many ways. But if you want again to get 385 00:18:17.720 --> 00:18:20.400 shit done and keeping in mind and I've said this 386 00:18:20.440 --> 00:18:23.559 on a couple of podcasts, a couple of interviews. People 387 00:18:23.559 --> 00:18:26.400 will often ask me, you know, why would you beat 388 00:18:26.400 --> 00:18:28.440 the shit out of these demons? Why would you bind them? 389 00:18:28.559 --> 00:18:30.799 Not only five people? I counted three. 390 00:18:30.960 --> 00:18:32.599 Well, it's got a good point, the three of us 391 00:18:32.640 --> 00:18:33.079 here right. 392 00:18:33.000 --> 00:18:35.200 Now, but truly one and the other two I don't know. 393 00:18:35.160 --> 00:18:35.839 Where that is. 394 00:18:37.279 --> 00:18:40.279 I really love a Grippa. I've said this many times. 395 00:18:40.319 --> 00:18:42.680 I've said this many times, but I just want to 396 00:18:42.680 --> 00:18:45.799 interrupt you really quickly. I'm sorry, Nick, because you're saying 397 00:18:45.799 --> 00:18:48.000 something really interesting, and I actually agree. I think that 398 00:18:48.079 --> 00:18:50.640 you and I meet a lot in the middle on this. 399 00:18:51.119 --> 00:18:55.279 Actually is that like the goet expirits are not worshiped, 400 00:18:55.319 --> 00:18:57.279 like they're not meant to be worshiped. I'm one hundred 401 00:18:57.279 --> 00:18:59.440