Speaker 1: The great Quincy Jones passed away at the age of
Speaker 1: ninety one. I don't know that Michael Jackson should have
Speaker 1: been the lead off based off all the options we have,
Speaker 1: we're gonna play artists that Quincy Jones had a hand.
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe we ease off the the MJ.
Speaker 3: Hey, to be clear, what was the first one you mentioned? Also,
Speaker 3: we got the radio play here. I gotta I gotta
Speaker 3: dig into the the uh, the records to get some
Speaker 3: of the Quincy jonesmen. They're not they're not giving me
Speaker 3: any very many options for Sinatra. Okay, but hey, but look,
Speaker 3: Charles Ray, Charles, Hey, look, I'll tell you what.
Speaker 1: Occasionally Ignition by R Kelly comes on my playlist and.
Speaker 2: I'm like, what do you It's a good song.
Speaker 4: What do you want me to do?
Speaker 2: You're dancing to it?
Speaker 1: So you know what, Hello, Smitty, let's turn on Smitty's
Speaker 1: Mike here.
Speaker 2: Let's get Smitty dialed a way.
Speaker 4: What is what?
Speaker 5: What?
Speaker 4: What should deal with Michael Jackson?
Speaker 1: Maybe you haven't googled it? In a minute, Uh, just
Speaker 1: gonna I'm back away.
Speaker 4: From the Quincy Jones. Michael Jackson.
Speaker 6: That was That's one of the all time most successful partnerships.
Speaker 1: And I'm not talking about how many how many records
Speaker 1: he sold. Man, his success is not arguable. We're on
Speaker 1: the same page with that one.
Speaker 6: Hey, no, no, no, no, but hey, all you have to
Speaker 6: do is play anything from the uh what was the
Speaker 6: documentary that came out in the in the last year
Speaker 6: on Netflix with the the.
Speaker 4: One where they all got together?
Speaker 1: That was good. By the way, we'll play we Are
Speaker 1: the World. We can do that. That one's safe.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: But Quincy Jones, I mean a legend passed old.
Speaker 4: No, and he was.
Speaker 6: He was such a such an icon in in the
Speaker 6: music industry and uh and then at a time when
Speaker 6: when he was able to assert his leadership in the
Speaker 6: music industry with a lot of uh uh, not only
Speaker 6: new artists but also established artists who wanted to come
Speaker 6: and work with him, and he had he had a long,
Speaker 6: long run of success. And that's very sad to hear of.
Speaker 1: His passing, certainly. So that's going to be the musical
Speaker 1: theme on the show today. We'll try to remound from
Speaker 1: o awkward start. Richard Smith, you are a number of
Speaker 1: different things. You are a basketball savant, you are a
Speaker 1: longtime member of the Utah Jazz. You are a former
Speaker 1: baseball All Star and competitive softball outfielders extraordinaire, but you're
Speaker 1: also a man in our community that has been kind
Speaker 1: of ingrained in the fabric of our sporting culture. And
Speaker 1: this is a unique week, right like Utah BYU football
Speaker 1: one hundred and second meeting first time in three years.
Speaker 1: BYU breaks their nine game losing streak a couple of
Speaker 1: years back. They have not won in Salt Lakes since
Speaker 1: two thousand and six, and we have two teams heading
Speaker 1: in completely different directions. The nature of rivalry games, it's
Speaker 1: always been an interesting topic to me because if you
Speaker 1: ever played in one, and I never played for anything,
Speaker 1: it mattered. But if you play throughout the course of
Speaker 1: your high school or AAU career and the other school
Speaker 1: is your rival, it feels different.
Speaker 2: It always does. I love the energy. I think it's
Speaker 2: a lot of fun.
Speaker 1: As a man who's been to a lot of these games,
Speaker 1: What do you make of what we could see on Saturday?
Speaker 6: Well, you know what's exciting about this, first of all,
Speaker 6: is that if we just go back a few months,
Speaker 6: right in July, when all the pre hype and all
Speaker 6: that stuff is taking place, and everything before the season
Speaker 6: even started. If you looked at the game on the
Speaker 6: schedule this Saturday on November ninth, you would have thought, Okay,
Speaker 6: they're going to go into that game Utah is probably
Speaker 6: going to be eight to oh and BYU is probably
Speaker 6: going to be four and four. Right, That would have
Speaker 6: been the projection in July, And now you get here
Speaker 6: this week the script is completely flipped.
Speaker 4: And that's one.
Speaker 6: Of the great things, as we always talk about sports
Speaker 6: being live theater, that you know, you can practice, you
Speaker 6: can do all the stuff that people do on Broadway
Speaker 6: right for their theater presentation, and then when the curtain
Speaker 6: goes up in the theater, you know what's gonna happen
Speaker 6: because you have a script and you follow it and
Speaker 6: you know who's gonna who's gonna get married to who
Speaker 6: at the end of the musical and whatever. But in sports,
Speaker 6: you do all the same preparation and then the curtain
Speaker 6: goes up and you have no idea what's gonna take
Speaker 6: place in the next couple hours, you know, And so
Speaker 6: that's what makes it always exciting. And and of course
Speaker 6: this week with the flip of the scripts and b YU,
Speaker 6: you know, running running away with a lot of stuff
Speaker 6: right now in terms of the conference and what's happening
Speaker 6: there and the position they are in and Utah, you know,
Speaker 6: stumbling and and and being the place that they're in.
Speaker 6: It just makes it more more exciting to discuss it,
Speaker 6: which I know this radio station will do odd nauseum
Speaker 6: all all week long, and we'll talk about the same
Speaker 6: quarterback issues.
Speaker 4: S want of time, we'll talk about We'll.
Speaker 1: Talk George, can't you Yes, yes, Smitty, we are going
Speaker 1: to cover Uta e Yu football from every single.
Speaker 6: As as it should be. Yeah, I'm just saying, but
Speaker 6: it's going to be. And how about you? How about
Speaker 6: you and Porter and whoever whoever was responsible for getting
Speaker 6: Kalani satak on. I'm like the opening act for the Yes,
Speaker 6: Yes you are, yeah, Rise, I'm even in the same stage.
Speaker 4: But you know, well, look, you're You've got Kyle Winningham.
Speaker 2: You've lived here how many years, midty.
Speaker 4: I've been here forty three years.
Speaker 1: This is home for you now, even though you go
Speaker 1: back to the high school in you know, in the
Speaker 1: soft part of Connecticut where I didn't grow up, but
Speaker 1: this is home. So it's it's it's really the only
Speaker 1: thing that we have where we got Thanksgiving coming up.
Speaker 1: There are split tables. You know, people are watching this
Speaker 1: game with anxiety, so they don't walk into elders coorm
Speaker 1: and their b Yu goog brought. You know, the dude
Speaker 1: in their ward is wearing his blue tide and his
Speaker 1: blue suit and he's going to give you the crap.
Speaker 2: So it it's the only thing we have in the
Speaker 2: state the causes that dynamic.
Speaker 6: Yeah, well, you know, and and uh in our house. Uh,
Speaker 6: my wife uh is a b y U grad and
Speaker 6: I worked at the at the U for a lot
Speaker 6: of years when I first came to the Salt Lake,
Speaker 6: when I was working both at the University of Utah
Speaker 6: and and with the jazz and and we have one
Speaker 6: of those flags that I think is I don't know
Speaker 6: if it's been outlawed or you can't.
Speaker 4: Get them now or what we were thinking.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, one of those flags where it's down the
Speaker 6: middle and it says, you know, uh, I forget even
Speaker 6: what's on the flag split split house or something or whatever.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: The ones I've seen have both logos.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, well this has yeah, this has BYU logo
Speaker 6: on half and the Utah logo on half, and it said,
Speaker 6: oh you know what the word is on the label
Speaker 6: of the flag is house divided.
Speaker 2: That's what it is.
Speaker 6: Yes, yes, And so that's what we have and and
Speaker 6: we'll have that flag up tonight for this week and
Speaker 6: it'll be it'll be fun.
Speaker 1: Well, And you and I were talking about something off
Speaker 1: air that I think is a worthwhile on air conversation
Speaker 1: because I know this week hits some people much differently
Speaker 1: and they don't like it. They don't like the anxiety,
Speaker 1: they don't like the dissension, they don't like the heated exchanges.
Speaker 2: Now I don't live online, so.
Speaker 1: We'll let the message board people do the message board
Speaker 1: people thing. And I don't know how much of that
Speaker 1: really permeates in real life, honestly, don't. I feel like
Speaker 1: the people that don't like this week are talking about
Speaker 1: the mean thing somebody will say online about them, which
Speaker 1: shouldn't matter at all. But like I said, you also
Speaker 1: get the church back and forth. You know, obviously plenty
Speaker 1: of both alumni and students, and you know, bring them young,
Speaker 1: the majority of them being LDS. But there's a religious
Speaker 1: element to this thing. It doesn't exist in very many
Speaker 1: other rivalries, and it does add to it, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, because there's always this feeling of well,
Speaker 1: if BYU want, it's because they're living right and God
Speaker 1: loves them. And if you taw one, they got lucky
Speaker 1: because they're all sinners. Like, there's always this there's this
Speaker 1: thing that kind of ties into it that makes it
Speaker 1: unique in a way that I think is a lot
Speaker 1: of fun, but some people don't really enjoy it.
Speaker 6: Well, I think that, and I think a good layer
Speaker 6: of the uniqueness spence is that within that church dynamic,
Speaker 6: you have the people who are b Yu supporters, who
Speaker 6: are you know, uh largely members of the l d
Speaker 6: S Church. But you also have a good section of
Speaker 6: of active l d S people who are Utah fans,
Speaker 6: and so you have the b y U people.
Speaker 4: This is this is my perspective.
Speaker 6: Now over the years, you have the b Yu fans
Speaker 6: who look at the the l d S Utah fans
Speaker 6: and wonder, well, why why you over there? You know
Speaker 6: with that group, you should you should be over here
Speaker 6: with us. This is where you where you should be.
Speaker 6: And the people who are members of the l d
Speaker 6: S Church and and uh uh uh support the you
Speaker 6: and a big Utah fans uh. The b Yu fan
Speaker 6: fans can't understand why they would they would be in
Speaker 6: that put themselves in that position. So that to me,
Speaker 6: that's always added another layer. And even you know, you know,
Speaker 6: you know we just mentioned the house divided, you have
Speaker 6: a lot of you know, like the the the Wilson family,
Speaker 6: you know, Zach and I and and and I said Wilson.
Speaker 6: You know, their family grew up big Utah fans and
Speaker 6: all the time and and supported them season tickets and
Speaker 6: all that stuff. And then and then Zach ends up
Speaker 6: going to b YU mainly because you didn't think he
Speaker 6: was good enough and didn't really you know, recruit him,
Speaker 6: and uh. And then so you have that kind of
Speaker 6: stuff where even within the house you have people who
Speaker 6: are rooting and have different rooting interests. So that that's
Speaker 6: what puts another layer to me. You're talking about the
Speaker 6: church thing and and uh and and people having a
Speaker 6: loyalty split that way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it's well said.
Speaker 1: It is funny how b y U fans view And
Speaker 1: we're generalizing here, so before I get a bunch of
Speaker 1: d ms and emails, everybody'd take a few deep breaths.
Speaker 2: We're just generalizing.
Speaker 1: But there is this faction of the b y fan
Speaker 1: base that simply just views anybody that is LDS and decided.
Speaker 2: To go apostate Utah with judgment.
Speaker 1: Then there's this faction of the Utah fan base that's
Speaker 1: LDS that looks down on the BYU fans is pious
Speaker 1: and holier than now right a mind, and it just
Speaker 1: it ties into this dynamic that makes it so interesting
Speaker 1: and attending to it. Look, I'm not gonna say it's
Speaker 1: the only college football rivalry that's like this, but Jay Hill,
Speaker 1: Siona Pua, Utah grats Aaron Roderick, Kalani Satake, former Utah coaches,
Speaker 1: Kyle Whittingham, former BYU player, Like that doesn't happen very
Speaker 1: many other college football rivalries. So it's kind of the
Speaker 1: way I like to describe it. It's kind of like
Speaker 1: this dysfunctional extended family right where at the end of
Speaker 1: the day, I believe when you're not playing against each other,
Speaker 1: you want the other to do well. Now, not fans
Speaker 1: right like you, There are a lot of you fans
Speaker 1: that want BYU to lose every game. Yeah, a lot
Speaker 1: of BYU family want Utah to lose every game. But
Speaker 1: I think like under the family umbrella of coaches and players,
Speaker 1: it feels like over the years I've mostly witnessed respect
Speaker 1: all the time, but mostly no.
Speaker 6: I think I think they do, and I think that's
Speaker 6: what it has always been. The interesting part for me, Spence.
Speaker 6: The people who are involved in it, the people who
Speaker 6: are in the circle, so to speak, they get it,
Speaker 6: and they do it with respect. They understand what the
Speaker 6: whole thing is, you know that, that's my opinion. The
Speaker 6: people who are outside the circle, who are the fans
Speaker 6: looking down from thirty thousand feet or whatever, they're the
Speaker 6: ones who get all riled up and everything. I wish
Speaker 6: it would just be you know that you could do
Speaker 6: it in good fun, like you do when you're in
Speaker 6: a locker room and you're with the guys that you
Speaker 6: play with, and you you tease each other about each
Speaker 6: other's school, the whey they went, and how their school
Speaker 6: is doing, and you do it good naturedly, and it's
Speaker 6: always for fun and and you you enjoy it, and
Speaker 6: you enjoy the back and forth and the teasing and kidding.
Speaker 6: What happens in this rivalry is that there's too many
Speaker 6: people who go the negative route and who go, you know,
Speaker 6: the attacking route, and you know everything's bad about.
Speaker 4: The other side or whatever it is.
Speaker 6: And that's the part that's a little distasteful for me.
Speaker 6: I wish people would just like keep it above the
Speaker 6: line and have fun with it. And you know, because hey,
Speaker 6: guess what, On Sunday, the game will be over and
Speaker 6: on Monday, everybody'll be back to their regular life or whatever.
Speaker 6: And it doesn't really amount to a lot of things
Speaker 6: other than hopefully a competitive football game between two familiar
Speaker 6: schools that the fans are ruining for and can get
Speaker 6: up for and have fun with it.
Speaker 2: So a lot of good points in there. It felt
Speaker 2: like the fever pitch.
Speaker 1: And this is just my little echo chamber here, it
Speaker 1: felt like the fever pitch for hate was at an
Speaker 1: all time high when Bronco was coaching BYU because Bronco
Speaker 1: and Kyle, like, you got to call that thing how
Speaker 1: it is. You could tell that there was no love lost,
Speaker 1: and you know, I'm privy to certain things behind the
Speaker 1: scenes that indicates that they just didn't like each other.
Speaker 2: And that's all right.
Speaker 1: But Bronco was like central casting for why YOUT fans
Speaker 1: sometimes don't like BYU. He was pious, he was holier
Speaker 1: than now. He quoted scripture during his press conference. You know,
Speaker 1: I was down at a BYU event, m seeing that
Speaker 1: i've or I did my show prior to the event
Speaker 1: down to Thanksgiving point.
Speaker 2: I've done it three years in a row now.
Speaker 1: And one of the BYU players told the story of
Speaker 1: Bronco coming to his house to recruit his son. And
Speaker 1: this BYU player is the current stake president down South
Speaker 1: and he said, Bronco's first question to his kid is
Speaker 1: what's your favorite scripture? And the guy's like, what are
Speaker 1: we doing? You're here to recruit him to play football? Right,
Speaker 1: So Bronco was a perfect face for what YOUT fans
Speaker 1: perceived BYU to be.
Speaker 2: And BYU fans.
Speaker 1: Were out of Kyle for saying no to his you know,
Speaker 1: his alma mater and yes to the rival. So it
Speaker 1: seemed that the fever pitch, as far as the hate goes,
Speaker 1: was at an all time high when those two were
Speaker 1: at it, because Ronnie Mack and Level loved each other, yes,
Speaker 1: and you could feel it.
Speaker 2: Urban came over. He invented team.
Speaker 1: Down South and that's a stolen you know, and so
Speaker 1: you know that played into it. Utah was awesome, but
Speaker 1: it felt like after Kilanie got the job, Kilane, to me,
Speaker 1: deserves a lot of the credit for what I perceived
Speaker 1: to be a little bit more civility among the two
Speaker 1: fan bases since he took the job.
Speaker 2: That's my prism.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I would agree with that.
Speaker 6: You know, kilani Is is such a first and Foremo,
Speaker 6: such a good person, U centered person. He understands the
Speaker 6: whole thing from both sides. He understands what it's all about,
Speaker 6: you know. And he's also one of these guys who's
Speaker 6: not full of himself. You know, he's he's doing it,
Speaker 6: you know, for the right reasons. He's he's coaching his team,
Speaker 6: He's got him going in a terrific direction trajectory, and uh,
Speaker 6: and the way he carries himself and the way he speaks.
Speaker 6: You know, I think you can't help but like him
Speaker 6: and root for him because of the way that he
Speaker 6: that he goes about his business. You know, Kyle's the
Speaker 6: same way Kyle has, you know, isn't full of himself.
Speaker 6: Kyle Kyle has for all of his success is uh,
Speaker 6: you know, really believes and just coming and and and
Speaker 6: getting to work and trying to do your best and
Speaker 6: respecting your opponent. And I would hope that this week,
Speaker 6: the fans as they're as they're engaging each other in
Speaker 6: that regard heading up to the game Saturday night, are
Speaker 6: you know, would take the lead from the two coaches
Speaker 6: and understand, Hey, this this should be about sportsmanship and
Speaker 6: and having a good competitive game and you know, and
Speaker 6: having fun with it and not not getting over the line,
Speaker 6: you know, to the other stuff that that really doesn't
Speaker 6: doesn't really serve anybody.
Speaker 1: And yeah, there's nothing as well said, there's nothing not
Speaker 1: to like about either Kyle or Kloney. And I can
Speaker 1: tell you it's real because you know, we're not best friends,
Speaker 1: but I'm able to get to know them enough where
Speaker 1: I feel like I have a good read on the
Speaker 1: type of people they are. All right, before we catch
Speaker 1: break one more thing on this and then we'll do
Speaker 1: a little We will talk jazz coming up. I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't really know what there is to say, but
Speaker 1: we'll try to say some things about the team coming
Speaker 1: up in a little bit.
Speaker 2: So there are two.
Speaker 1: Very different paths with these two teams, as you outlined earlier.
Speaker 1: For BYU, and it's interesting with a big twelve cast
Speaker 1: we just saw, this is not an elimination game for
Speaker 1: Brigham Young, like I hear a lot of youth fans, well,
Speaker 1: let's spoil their paths.
Speaker 2: You can't.
Speaker 1: Sorry, Like BYU could still and probably is favored to
Speaker 1: go to the Big twelve championship game no matter what
Speaker 1: happens on Saturday night. But undefeated season means a lot,
Speaker 1: you know, if they can interer, maybe the CFPUN defeated,
Speaker 1: maybe they have a chance to host a home playoff
Speaker 1: game in provo. Like, there's so many things on the
Speaker 1: table for them. For Utah, Smidty and you know, for
Speaker 1: a lot of these players that don't know the intensity
Speaker 1: of this thing because they haven't experienced there, didn't grow
Speaker 1: up here, Kyle did, Morgan did, like the coaches know
Speaker 1: it's at stake. So for Utah, I guess what's at
Speaker 1: steak here is maybe one last chance, Like we're partying
Speaker 1: like it's nineteen eighty six again. It's like one last
Speaker 1: chance to endear yourself to a community that right now
Speaker 1: is really bummed out about the way you played. Because
Speaker 1: if you are great for one day against BYU, you
Speaker 1: become a legend around here. That's got to be what's
Speaker 1: at stake, right, I don't know what else. I mean,
Speaker 1: there's still the Bowl game thing. And I guess the
Speaker 1: only thing worse than playing in a throwaway bowl game
Speaker 1: is not being eligible for one.
Speaker 2: So two very different dichotomies here.
Speaker 6: No, it's a well, the rivalry game and wanted to
Speaker 6: have the bragging rights all winter, you know, for your
Speaker 6: team is important. It's important for every rivalry game. That's what.
Speaker 6: That's really what the biggest nugget is. No matter what
Speaker 6: the circumstances are from from year to year. But for Utah,
Speaker 6: they're coming into the game playing an undefeated top fifteen,
Speaker 6: ranked top ten team whatever by u is and whatever
Speaker 6: pole at the moment, and deservedly so they're playing by
Speaker 6: an undefeated team. Then next week they have to go
Speaker 6: to Colorado who's playing very well. And then they come
Speaker 6: home and they have to play Iowa State, another top
Speaker 6: top conference team, and then they finish a season at
Speaker 6: Central Florida, which you would say, oh, well, that's not good.
Speaker 6: That might be an important game for this Bowl eligibility thing.
Speaker 6: With those games that Utah has in front of them,
Speaker 6: you know, they've got to get to six wins to
Speaker 6: be Bowl eligible. Yeah, okay, some you know, you just
Speaker 6: use the phrase or throwaway bowl whether you're going to
Speaker 6: the the Sun Coast Bowl or the Alamo Bowl or
Speaker 6: the you know whatever it is in in Paducaville or
Speaker 6: wherever it's going to be. That's still something for a
Speaker 6: school that wants to keep its record intact and it's
Speaker 6: string intact and having something to play for other than
Speaker 6: the game in front of in front of you.
Speaker 4: That you have.
Speaker 6: So so these are all important games for Utah and
Speaker 6: then you ratcheted up for BYU that's that would love
Speaker 6: to go undefeated and get to the conference championship game
Speaker 6: and see what happens as far as the CFP type situation.
Speaker 6: So it's big other than the rivalry aspect of it
Speaker 6: for both teams.
Speaker 1: Yes, it is all right. Before we catch a break,
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Speaker 6: Oh.
Speaker 4: I love to sing.
Speaker 6: I sing very badly, just like I love to play golf,
Speaker 6: but golf very bad. Ok.
Speaker 1: Fair enough, Maybe we'll uh, maybe we'll bring back you
Speaker 1: know what. Just play that song all week.
Speaker 2: We are the world? Okay, everybody, A few deep brasks. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's all good.
Speaker 4: That's right.
Speaker 2: Love your brother, love your neighbor.
Speaker 4: There we go.
Speaker 1: I had a very famous spiritual teacher said that once
Speaker 1: upon a time it is. Indeed, Richard Smith is live
Speaker 1: in studio doing a little Utah by U. Last segment.
Speaker 1: All right, you know we have you in to Top
Speaker 1: to Top Jazz. You spend forty years in the NBA.
Speaker 1: You spend forty years with the Utah Jazz, and so
Speaker 1: I guess we will, Smitty, I don't know when they're
Speaker 1: gonna win a game. I mean, I've got their schedule
Speaker 1: pulled up. Like this is as bad as I think
Speaker 1: it has been for a long long time. And certainly
Speaker 1: I'm for it, as you know, because I do think,
Speaker 1: but I do want Like this is really hard, Like
Speaker 1: what they're doing is really really hard, isn't it.
Speaker 6: Hey Spence. The whole thing is difficult. It's hard to
Speaker 6: win in the NBA period. Okay, it's even more difficult
Speaker 6: to win on a consistent level in the NBA. It's
Speaker 6: even another tier to try and get near the top
Speaker 6: where you're competitive enough where you're one of the five,
Speaker 6: six seven teams each year that has a legitimate chance
Speaker 6: at actually going deep into the into a playoff run.
Speaker 6: But this, as we've talked about before, this is exactly
Speaker 6: what the Jazz set up to do. Nobody wants to
Speaker 6: be bad bad. But at the same time, the Jazz
Speaker 6: knew what they were doing when they set all this up,
Speaker 6: when they traded everybody away, when when the coach left town,
Speaker 6: when they changed everything around, and they knew that at
Speaker 6: some point they would have to pay the piper, so
Speaker 6: to speak. And you know this start. You know, hey,
Speaker 6: think about it. Two years ago, the first year of
Speaker 6: the so called rebuild, they get out of the gate
Speaker 6: ten and three, and everybody going, whoa, whoa, wait, this
Speaker 6: is brilliant, you know whatever, and uh And then you know,
Speaker 6: it slowly dissipated and and uh and went the other
Speaker 6: way as the season went on. And then last year
Speaker 6: they had that nice run in the middle of the
Speaker 6: year after Christmas where they had the best record for
Speaker 6: like a one month stretch there in the middle of
Speaker 6: the season, and then they they traded away a couple
Speaker 6: of guys that trade deadline, and then it fell apart again.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 6: And now they're they're coming out of the blocks the
Speaker 6: way that you have have asked them to do for
Speaker 6: the last few years, and so you know, and and
Speaker 6: you're exactly right when you look at the schedule, it's
Speaker 6: hard to predict where a win is gonna come from
Speaker 6: there on the road now, continuing this four game road
Speaker 6: trip in Chicago tonight and then Milwaukee and then finishing
Speaker 6: San Antonio before they come home and play play Phoenix
Speaker 6: and Dallas next week. It is a tough road to hoe.
Speaker 6: And but this is, uh, this is what they've set.
Speaker 4: Up to do.
Speaker 6: And you know it's going to be a very difficult
Speaker 6: early part of the season. And you're right, it's going
Speaker 6: to be hard to see any light at the end
Speaker 6: of the tunnel for anytime soon.
Speaker 1: And I do not want to diminish the difficult ask
Speaker 1: that I know this is okay.
Speaker 2: I just don't see another path.
Speaker 1: And as you know, being in the front office for
Speaker 1: as long as you were, paths randomly manifest themselves out
Speaker 1: of nowhere, okay. And so obviously you leave space for
Speaker 1: a billionaire owner who's afraid of the second Apron and
Speaker 1: wants to shed talent and is looking for picks and
Speaker 1: clean books and the jazz have all that, Like, I
Speaker 1: know that can happen but the fact of the matter
Speaker 1: is you can't rely on that, and so from my
Speaker 1: prism and my seat, the only way to do this
Speaker 1: is slow and long and hard, and hope you get
Speaker 1: a little luck around, you know, just at some point,
Speaker 1: hope you get some lottery luck, or hope Cody's better
Speaker 1: than we think, or Keyante learns to shoot straight, or
Speaker 1: whatever all those variables are. But make no mistake, this
Speaker 1: is a tough ask on the fan base, it's a
Speaker 1: tough ask on broadcasters to call games, and it's really
Speaker 1: tough on young players who up to this point have
Speaker 1: always been the best at what they do where they've
Speaker 1: been and most of them have probably won high school
Speaker 1: state championships, played high level aau, did something in college
Speaker 1: with great success, and now they're getting their heads kicked
Speaker 1: in every night.
Speaker 2: What's the danger in that?
Speaker 6: Yeah, well there's there are a lot of factors there.
Speaker 6: But you also have to throw in how it affects
Speaker 6: the coaching staff for sure, for sure, and the young
Speaker 6: coach that that the Jazz have, and Will Hardy, who
Speaker 6: by all accounts is very, very studious, a very hard
Speaker 6: working guy. You know, he's trying to formulate a forge.
Speaker 6: I should say, a career early in his coaching career
Speaker 6: by being a head coach in his mid thirties, and
Speaker 6: he's got a team that's that's in this situation, and
Speaker 6: that's tough on him. He's got to be questioning himself
Speaker 6: night in and night out about you know, the things
Speaker 6: he's doing. Is he doing the right stuff? Is he
Speaker 6: handling it the right way?
Speaker 5: Uh?
Speaker 6: Is he balancing minutes? Is he is he doing what
Speaker 6: the front office wants him to do? And in playing
Speaker 6: guys in certain positions to to help in their their
Speaker 6: development and and uh projection as NBA players. I mean,
Speaker 6: there's so many levels to it. Uh, and and yet
Speaker 6: the losing permeates the locker room bigger than anything. And
Speaker 6: and the more the bigger the hole you dig early
Speaker 6: in the year, the tougher it becomes because you realize
Speaker 6: as a group, as you as the as the year evolves,
Speaker 6: as it goes on, you become more and more cognizant
Speaker 6: and accepting of the of the no that we're not
Speaker 6: going anywhere with this group at this time. We have
Speaker 6: a game tomorrow night, we have a game on Thursday.
Speaker 6: We have two games on the you know, whatever it is,
Speaker 6: and you're looking at it when you have a losing
Speaker 6: record and you're at the bottom looking up and you
Speaker 6: realize we're not going anyway now. It takes it to
Speaker 6: another level where the players have to have that mental
Speaker 6: stamina to want to be able to keep coming every
Speaker 6: day to practice, to try and get better, to try
Speaker 6: and show how they can contribute to a winning effort.
Speaker 6: The coaching staff is trying to figure out, you know,
Speaker 6: how do we keep everybody engaged night in and night out,
Speaker 6: you know, without losing guys along the way. From a
Speaker 6: mental perspective, a buy in perspective, that is the difficult part,
Speaker 6: and especially in an eighty two game NBA season, that
Speaker 6: when you dig a hole early, it is so hard
Speaker 6: to get out of and it is so much effort
Speaker 6: just to try and bring the group along with you,
Speaker 6: you know, on the journey that that you're you're in
Speaker 6: the middle of it is. It is a tough ask,
Speaker 6: and when you're younger and you don't have the experience,
Speaker 6: it's even more so because those kind of things can
Speaker 6: really get embedded in you in terms of how your
Speaker 6: career is going to evolve as well.
Speaker 1: So let's dig into you know, I always enjoy listening
Speaker 1: to coaches, right, So, so why I still love listening
Speaker 1: to Hube Brown if he's on a call of a game.
Speaker 2: I thought Jeff was the best.
Speaker 1: It's so crazy to me that ESPN claim that they
Speaker 1: didn't want to bring him back because they heard he
Speaker 1: wanted to get back into coaching. Then they hired Doc
Speaker 1: who left him like three weeks later. Then they hired Reddick,
Speaker 1: who's coaching the Lakers. So like Doug Collins on the
Speaker 1: on the broadcaster Steve Kerr, you know, like whenever I
Speaker 1: can listen to a coach, I like to listen to coaches,
Speaker 1: and Will has been really interesting to listen to after
Speaker 1: games because he doesn't say that as the kids would
Speaker 1: say the quiet part out loud per se. But he
Speaker 1: is speaking now in a different way that he's spoken
Speaker 1: over the past couple of years, saying things like, well,
Speaker 1: eventually we need to get to where we want to be,
Speaker 1: and if we're ever going to get there, we can't
Speaker 1: lean on excuses for now, Like he is speaking in
Speaker 1: a future tense way after games that he hasn't prior to.
Speaker 1: But ultimately, knowing coaches and you got to know the
Speaker 1: best that we add to the two best that we
Speaker 1: had here in Frank and Jerry. If you got Will
Speaker 1: in an honest moment, what do you think he'd say?
Speaker 1: This has to be eating him alive. They don't have
Speaker 1: a prayer, they don't have a chance. He doesn't have
Speaker 1: the tools, he does not have the players, I wondered, Look,
Speaker 1: they picked up his fifth year option, okay, meaning it's
Speaker 1: two years of options that are picked up.
Speaker 2: This is your three. He's safe next year, he's safe
Speaker 2: the year after.
Speaker 1: But if this thing doesn't get turned around, he's gonna
Speaker 1: have a resume with a lot of losses on it.
Speaker 2: And coaches don't love that.
Speaker 6: That's right, and and and that's the hard part for
Speaker 6: him and his career. He's trying to build a career.
Speaker 6: He's trying to show, you know, the rest of the
Speaker 6: league and the basketball world you know that, Hey, I
Speaker 6: know what I'm doing, and you know, I can learn
Speaker 6: as I go along, and I can get better, and
Speaker 6: I know how to manage players, and I know how
Speaker 6: to you know, deal with in game strategies and all
Speaker 6: those kinds of things that go into coaching, uh, being
Speaker 6: a head coach. But when you have a group like
Speaker 6: this and a group that's struggling, and you can tell
Speaker 6: there's going to be a long road that that weighs
Speaker 6: on you mentally, and that's the biggest thing is trying
Speaker 6: to keep your perspective. He's not coming from a background where,
Speaker 6: uh say, I don't know who who maybe maybe JB.
Speaker 4: Bickerstaff, who's the coach in Detroit.
Speaker 6: Now they have a they have a team that's simil
Speaker 6: to the Jazz, a young team that's going to struggle
Speaker 6: for a while that they're trying to build up. But
Speaker 6: JB has a track record in the past, especially the
Speaker 6: last job he had in Cleveland where he did very
Speaker 6: well and and and you can see he's got that
Speaker 6: that the experience, he's got those games under his belt
Speaker 6: as a head coach for several years in the league.
Speaker 6: Their people know, Okay, he knows what he's doing. He's
Speaker 6: just got to get some players and got to massage
Speaker 6: some stuff and move some pieces around and eventually we're
Speaker 6: going to be on that track. Will Hardy doesn't have
Speaker 6: that luxury at the current moment because this is his
Speaker 6: first head coaching job. So he's coming in and he's
Speaker 6: first year, they struggle, second year, they struggle, third year,
Speaker 6: they're just beginning, but they're out of the gate.
Speaker 4: Stumbling to begin with.
Speaker 6: He's wondering how people are looking at him and how
Speaker 6: how he's being affected in terms of his career, because
Speaker 6: I'll tell you, there are a lot of guys who
Speaker 6: got their their one shot at being a head coach
Speaker 6: and it didn't work well. People respected them, they thought
Speaker 6: they were very good at what they did. They liked
Speaker 6: their work ethic, they liked their temperament, they liked their
Speaker 6: approach to the job. Didn't have success mainly because you
Speaker 6: didn't have players, and they lasted three years or four
Speaker 6: years with their teams. They got to let go and
Speaker 6: then you never see him again as a head coach.
Speaker 6: They recycle back into the thing as assistant coaches, and
Speaker 6: because they're they're well respected within the circles of the
Speaker 6: coaching fraternity and by by teams and organizations around around
Speaker 6: the league. But sometimes they don't get another shot because
Speaker 6: of that, because they don't have anything on their resume
Speaker 6: to show, hey, I've proven that I can do this right.
Speaker 6: So Will Hardy is in that tough position because, yeah,
Speaker 6: he's got a couple more years to ride with this group.
Speaker 6: At least you hope he gets more than that, because
Speaker 6: he looks like he's the right guy, and you just
Speaker 6: hope he can hold on in terms of his approach,
Speaker 6: in terms of what he's dealing with as a head coach,
Speaker 6: night in the night out, not winning, not winning, not winning,
Speaker 6: and that it doesn't beat him down. Because to turn
Speaker 6: this around, your right spence the draft, if you get
Speaker 6: a free agent, okay, if you make a trade, okay,
Speaker 6: those are the three ways that you can improve your team.
Speaker 6: Those are the things you can control to some extent.
Speaker 6: But there's another component we always talk about that is
Speaker 6: beyond your control, that you don't You have no say
Speaker 6: and what's gonna happen. But something might present itself, as
Speaker 6: you mentioned a minute ago, and you have to be
Speaker 6: prepared to react to that, whether it's again another team
Speaker 6: trying to unload a big time player or trying to
Speaker 6: unload a salary or something something. But you don't know
Speaker 6: if that's gonna happen this year before the trade deadline.
Speaker 6: You don't know if it's gonna happen next year. You
Speaker 6: don't know if it's gonna happen anytime in the next
Speaker 6: five years. Because those are things that are beyond your control.
Speaker 6: So you don't know if Golden State's gonna hang it
Speaker 6: up and want to move some guys at some point,
Speaker 6: if the Clippers get get frustrated.
Speaker 4: And want to move some guys, or you know, whoever
Speaker 4: it is.
Speaker 6: And those are the things that are hard for fans
Speaker 6: to accept because they they assume that you as an organization,
Speaker 6: as an ownership, have control of everything. You just have
Speaker 6: to push the right buttons and make the right moves.
Speaker 6: But there is an element out there that are things
Speaker 6: that are not within your control that you have to
Speaker 6: be able to react to and be able to make
Speaker 6: decisions on if and when they become available. And that's
Speaker 6: the big gray area. It's always hanging over you that
Speaker 6: you never know if and when that's gonna happen. Okay,
Speaker 6: So yeah, and I like, you know, you know Spence
Speaker 6: right there that that was a perfect no, that was
Speaker 6: a perfect take, because that that that frustrated exhales It
Speaker 6: is exactly what it is.
Speaker 4: That's that's what they're going through. You know.
Speaker 6: It's it's tough. Uh, it's not pretty. Nobody likes it.
Speaker 6: The room is always heavy, okay, whether it's practice, whether
Speaker 6: it's on the team, bus, whether it's on a road
Speaker 6: trip like they're on now, because you're trying to find
Speaker 6: some ray of light that tells you, hey, where we
Speaker 6: can turn this around. We can get better. We need
Speaker 6: to group together three or four or five games where
Speaker 6: we feel like, you know, we're.
Speaker 4: Clicking, we're doing something at the moment. And it's early.
Speaker 6: Okay, it's only six games in okay, but the early returns,
Speaker 6: like the elections or are not probably what it's going
Speaker 6: to be. But if you want to hang your hat
Speaker 6: on something, you're looking at seeing the Jazz are still
Speaker 6: a very bad defensive team.
Speaker 4: They're a team that so far can't shoot the ball. Okay.
Speaker 6: They're also a team that doesn't seem to be really
Speaker 6: well connected, you know, with each other when they're on
Speaker 6: the floor. They don't have any kind of identity. So
Speaker 6: when you're dealing with all of those things at the
Speaker 6: same time, that that is a tough get. Because sometimes
Speaker 6: you might have one of those and you can concentrate
Speaker 6: on that area and try and shore it up somehow.
Speaker 6: But when you get all of those happening simultaneously and
Speaker 6: you're trying to juggle all those balls in the air
Speaker 6: at the same time, it is tough to do and
Speaker 6: it's tough to manage.
Speaker 1: So since you brought up the election, is it possible
Speaker 1: just to say the final score is incorrect and we
Speaker 1: won and just claim the win.
Speaker 6: Well, I mean, yeah, well, well apparently I don't know
Speaker 6: what the other option is. Well, apparently you can because
Speaker 6: apparently no matter what the scoreboard says, you said, well
Speaker 6: they're wrong.
Speaker 4: You know, like, that's that's not right.
Speaker 2: We news, we won.
Speaker 4: We won the game. Let's just do it. Yeah, so
Speaker 4: I know what's going on there.
Speaker 2: So let's dig into the six and oh, utah jazz.
Speaker 4: All right, so six And.
Speaker 2: Hey, I wasn't there. I didn't see the score. You know,
Speaker 2: don't come at me.
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna draw a parallel here because the fact
Speaker 1: of the matter is, and you're one of the reasons
Speaker 1: we are spoiled as jazz fans. We've never won a championship,
Speaker 1: but we've rarely had bad teams, and when we did,
Speaker 1: it didn't last long because the front office iterations you
Speaker 1: were a part of, always made good moves to get
Speaker 1: us back to competitiveness pretty quick. The last time it
Speaker 1: was this bad was probably Tie's final year, right, And
Speaker 1: as you were describe me as a coach who gets
Speaker 1: an opportunity and the roster isn't great or whatever, and
Speaker 1: it goes sideways and that coach never gets another opportunity.
Speaker 1: Tyrone Corbyn's name popped into my head, and obviously, you
Speaker 1: know Scotty hired.
Speaker 2: Him in New York. You've known him forever. He's the
Speaker 2: sweetest guy on world.
Speaker 1: And Dennis didn't like when I said that when I
Speaker 1: would use this line on air, because he heard me
Speaker 1: say it, I was of the opinion the Dennis Lindsay's
Speaker 1: first day on the job.
Speaker 2: Was Tyrone Corbyn's last. I just didn't think he was
Speaker 2: going to rehire him.
Speaker 1: And so you know, obviously, players like al who played
Speaker 1: well here Paul Millsap, who is still a jazz legend,
Speaker 1: moved off some vets in the name of seeing what
Speaker 1: you had with youngsters. But that roster is much better
Speaker 1: than the roster that we're dealing with here. That's why
Speaker 1: it's a loose parallel. So the rookies were Trey Burke
Speaker 1: and Gobert. Alec was in his second year, Hayward was
Speaker 1: in his third, Favors was in his third.
Speaker 2: Yet players like Jeremy Evans.
Speaker 1: You know, then you bring in vets like Richard Jefferson
Speaker 1: and Andra Spidron's just to pay somebody to play for
Speaker 1: you and ultimately you want twenty five games that year.
Speaker 1: But that year was about bringing Marvin Williams, who obviously
Speaker 1: was a pro while he was here, but that year,
Speaker 1: Smittye was about, right, like what do we have in Gordon?
Speaker 1: Is this roody thing real? And as Canter was on
Speaker 1: the team, so you had five or six young players
Speaker 1: like they have now that you were trying to do
Speaker 1: your calculus like can they be part of this moving
Speaker 1: forward when we're back to competitiveness, will they be on
Speaker 1: the roster? Gordon was obviously fave was as well. The
Speaker 1: Canter stuff got weird. Rudy was ready to play. You
Speaker 1: guys move on from Enis. We know the history, but
Speaker 1: there's some similarities right between thirteen and fourteen and twenty
Speaker 1: four Yeah.
Speaker 6: Sure, yeah, and you're right, that's that's what was happening
Speaker 6: at that time, you know, the Golden State thing by
Speaker 6: the way, you know you mentioned Richard Jefferson on just Bedrinch,
Speaker 6: the rush kid Brandon.
Speaker 4: Russian than Russia was part of that.
Speaker 6: But that was you know when you look, if you
Speaker 6: looked at it, you would see that that was probably
Speaker 6: in NBA Annals, the most lopsided trade ever made in
Speaker 6: NBA history. Because the Jazz got those guys who were
Speaker 6: all on expiring contracts. That's the reason that that the
Speaker 6: Jazz took them in at that time. Uh, they were
Speaker 6: gonna they were gonna have that money available the next year.
Speaker 6: They took that with several draft picks with it to
Speaker 6: trade for uh, the the Murray kid, Kevin Kevin Murphy, sorry,
Speaker 6: Kevin Murphy who we had we had drafted the second
Speaker 6: round the year before all those guys came in, and
Speaker 6: all the Jazz sent out to Golden State was Kevin
Speaker 6: Murphy who was then cut. And the whole thing for
Speaker 6: Golden State was opening up all this space for money
Speaker 6: so that they could uh uh they could go get
Speaker 6: Andrea Gudala. See now, at the time, we thought they
Speaker 6: were opening up the space to go get uh Dwight
Speaker 6: How quick are Dwight Howard? Was it Dwight Howard a
Speaker 6: free agency?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't know that that's interesting.
Speaker 4: But it was, but it was.
Speaker 6: But it ended up being Andrea Gudala was the guy
Speaker 6: they were trying to target and get after to put
Speaker 6: together with Curry and Thompson and Green and uh, and
Speaker 6: then they took off the where they did, right, So
Speaker 6: that's what they were trying to do.
Speaker 4: So the Jazz.
Speaker 6: See, so when you when you're in that position like
Speaker 6: the Jazz were at that time, you make a move,
Speaker 6: you don't give up anything.
Speaker 4: You're giving up a.
Speaker 6: Second round guy who maybe wasn't even gonna be on
Speaker 6: our team the following year. And and you got you
Speaker 6: got players who are on expiring contracts, You got draft picks,
Speaker 6: and you also got money. You got three million dollars
Speaker 6: thrown in the deal from Golden State and and all
Speaker 6: of that stuff. You know, it was part of Dennis
Speaker 6: Lindsay's grand plan to try and open up space and
Speaker 6: try and move some pieces around and hope that at
Speaker 6: some point, you know, you can you can jump on
Speaker 6: something that that's going to help your team, you know,
Speaker 6: to get forward. Now, what happens in the meantime, Rudy
Speaker 6: Gobert shows up. Okay, third year, fourth year, Okay, that's
Speaker 6: what the Jazz now are hoping happens with one of
Speaker 6: the guys they have on the roster, right, Yeah, who
Speaker 6: is that?
Speaker 4: Who knows who that is? Right?
Speaker 6: The Jazz also use one of the draft picks or
Speaker 6: the draft pic they end up getting from Denver in
Speaker 6: the trade on draft night we've talked about before they
Speaker 6: got them Donovan Mitchell, and Donovan Mitchell shows up much quicker,
Speaker 6: much better, much more impactful than we thought.
Speaker 4: He would be right out of the gate.
Speaker 6: So we were smart, we were good, we were lucky,
Speaker 6: whatever label you want to put on, it's more luck
Speaker 6: than anything else. Yes, And so you have all that
Speaker 6: stuff going on, and that's what the current Jazz are
Speaker 6: hoping to do. They're hoping that somewhere along the line,
Speaker 6: somebody clicks, you get an opportunity like that that falls
Speaker 6: into your lap that you can take advantage of. And
Speaker 6: then and then you keep putting the parts together. The
Speaker 6: guys they have right now, in my opinion, it looks
Speaker 6: like they're having trouble connecting with each other, and it
Speaker 6: looks like they're having trouble just playing with each other.
Speaker 6: So it doesn't look to me like it's a very
Speaker 6: good mix of guys. You know, maybe you have some talent,
Speaker 6: but I'm not sure how well they're playing together. A
Speaker 6: lot of it also is that a lot of them
Speaker 6: are in experience and there and they're stumbling over themselves
Speaker 6: trying to find their footing. That takes time, and that
Speaker 6: takes a lot of mistakes that you have to be
Speaker 6: willing to live through. So that's that's the part that
Speaker 6: the current jazz are dealing with at this moment, and
Speaker 6: it's not going to get any easier here in the
Speaker 6: in the next in the coming months. It's it's it's
Speaker 6: gonna be a difficult road for them to hope.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's hard.
Speaker 4: It is.
Speaker 1: And even though I agree with it and think for
Speaker 1: the first time since you know, Dennis took off and
Speaker 1: Quinn and everybody took off and they traded everybody, it
Speaker 1: feels like they're finally doing the thing. I still do
Speaker 1: not diminish out what a tough ask this is on
Speaker 1: everybody involved. All Right, somebody, before I set you lose,
Speaker 1: do you dare give me a utah b y U?
Speaker 4: I don't score position?
Speaker 2: Do you dare?
Speaker 6: Know? You know you know how I know how I
Speaker 6: sit on those things, and I'll tell you this, you
Speaker 6: know what I do think. I just think that when
Speaker 6: I look at it, the roles are reverse from what
Speaker 6: you thought they were going to be before the season started.
Speaker 6: Right by U is the undefeated team, the Utah is
Speaker 6: a team that's muddling around at four and four. It's
Speaker 6: a perfect scenario for both teams to all of a
Speaker 6: sudden do something they haven't done this year. In other words,
Speaker 6: for Utah to put something together where they have a
Speaker 6: consistent game offensively all game long. For b YU has
Speaker 6: had some games where you know, they were treading along
Speaker 6: and it was you know, maybe we've got to have
Speaker 6: something happen, and then something good did happen. And that's
Speaker 6: what happens when you have a special season. The plays
Speaker 6: break your way when you need them to break your way.
Speaker 6: And so is that going to continue to happen for
Speaker 6: BYU or is this going to be the game where
Speaker 6: they they finally stumble uh and lose a game.
Speaker 4: I'm not sure.
Speaker 6: Losing a game for them, you know, in the grand
Speaker 6: scheme of things, would be the worst thing for them,
Speaker 6: because maybe it helps them to refocus, you know, on
Speaker 6: the on the last month of this conference season. And
Speaker 6: to your point, I think they're still in the driver's seat,
Speaker 6: you know, with other things that happen to get to
Speaker 6: the conference championship game, which is all that matters because
Speaker 6: once you get there, as Utah you know showed the
Speaker 6: last few years with Rose Bowl games, conference games getting
Speaker 6: to Rose Bowl. You know, once you get into that
Speaker 6: championship game, you know, anything can happen, like DEVI for
Speaker 6: the for the you again talking about things breaking your
Speaker 6: way when they played USC in the conference championship game
Speaker 6: a few years ago, and and uh and Caleb Williams
Speaker 6: gets hurt in the second quarter and he's stumbling around
Speaker 6: the rest of the game, and then you takes advantage
Speaker 6: of it and next thing you know, you wake up
Speaker 6: next day and they're going to the Rose Bowl. So
Speaker 6: so it's gonna be. I think it's gonna be. I
Speaker 6: hope it's a fun I hope it's exciting. And I
Speaker 6: hope those of you who are brave enough to go
Speaker 6: sit in the twenty eighth degree weather or whatever on
Speaker 6: Saturday night at eleven thirty in the fourth quarter are
Speaker 6: more stout than I am, because some of us have
Speaker 6: gotten old and we've gotten soft.
Speaker 1: Well, Smitty, I don't blame you at all. Always a
Speaker 1: pleasure to see you, my friend. We'll see us soon, Okay,
Speaker 1: thanks man, all right, the great Richard Smith,