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Speaker 1: And welcome to the Big Podcast. How are you welcome

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to the Tuesday edition. Today's the twenty fourth day of February,

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Year of Our Lord, twenty twenty six. My name is

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Tom Sullivan, and we've got a fairly busy Tuesday, I

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mean very busy. We've got the State of the Union

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address tonight, which I'm sorry the President likes to talk long,

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but he says this is going to be even longer

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than usual, so brace yourself or so we got anyway

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we'll go through. We got a drinking game for it,

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so we can give you something to do. Surprise. Another

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videotape from Savannah Guthrie was released this morning, and will

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play that for you give you the latest on the

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search for Nancy. Iran will probably be brought up in

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the State of the Union message tonight, and the question

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is are we going to do something or not? Because

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the talks with Iran, they were supposed to be two

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weeks down the road. Well it's been about a week

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and they're having more talks between the US and Iran.

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On Thursday in Geneva got General Jack Keene Mexico is

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still I think this is going to just toast their

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tourist business in spring break business, and nobody wants to go.

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It's dangerous and people are stuck and they can't get out.

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So we've got all of that to talk about today.

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Let's start with Nancy again. It was a little after

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nine o'clock this morning Savannah Guthrie released another video. It's

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about two minutes long. Let's listen.

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Speaker 2: Hi there, I'm going to say. It is day twenty

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four since our mom was taken in the dark of

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night from her bed, and every hour and minute and

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second and every long night has been agony since then,

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of worrying about her, and fearing for her, aching for her,

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and most of all just missing her. Missing her. We

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know that millions of you been praying. So many people

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have been praying of every faith and no faith at all,

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praying for her return, and we feel those prayers. Please

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keep praying without ceasing. We still believe, we still believe

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in a miracle. We still believe that she can come home.

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Hope against hope, as my sister says, we are blowing

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on the embers of hope. We also know that she

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may be lost, she may already be gone, she may

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have already gone home to the Lord that she loves

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and is dancing in heaven with her mom and her

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dad and with her beloved brother Peers, and with our daddy.

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This is what is to be, then we will accept it.

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But we need to know where she is. We need

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her to come home. For that reason, we are offering

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a family reward of up to one dollars for any

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information that leads us to her recovery. All of the

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information about this reward and the details is in the

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caftion below. You can call the one eight hundred tip line.

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You can be anonymous if you want. Someone out there

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knows something that can bring her home. Somebody knows, and

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we are begging you to please come forward now. So

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know that we are not alone in our loss. We

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know there are millions of families that have suffered with

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this kind of uncertainty, and for that reason, today we

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also are donating five hundred thousand dollars to the National

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Center for Missing and Exploited Children for their work and

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helping families who are coping with loss and actively looking

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for those who are lost. We are hoping that the

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attention that has been given to our mom and our

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family will extend to all the families light hours who

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are in need and need prayers and need support. So please,

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if you hear this message, if you've been waiting and

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you haven't been sure, let this be your sign to

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please come forward. How would you know and help us

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bring our beloved mom home so that we can either

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celebrate a glorious, miraculous homecoming or celebrate the beautiful, brave

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and courageous and noble life that she has lived. Please

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be the light in the dark.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, so yet again a different tone. It almost

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sounded to me like they have thrown in the towel,

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but they don't want to. Offering a million up to

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a million dollars and five hundred thousand two the National

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Center for Missing and Exploited Children. They are staying the

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quiet part out loud about the fact that she may

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be gone. So the usual law enforcement types, let me

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get their reaction to all of this. Let's start with

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with John.

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Speaker 3: So this is things that the family has always been

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prepared to do from the beginning of this ordeal for them.

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This according to people who are familiar with the family's thinking,

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but also talking to people familiar with the investigation, the

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number of tips that were coming in the nature the

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specificity of the tips coming in. Remember they were flooding

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in the beginning. That has slowed down. Everybody who knew

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something or thought they knew something has come forward in

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that regard. But the family still believes and investigators concur

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with this, that there's still someone out there, maybe more

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than one, someone who actually knows knows, that has specific

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information and that has reasons, whether there are personal reasons

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or reasons of fear or other reasons that they haven't

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come forward yet. So I think in consultation with the FBI,

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with the sheriff, the family who's always been willing to

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take this step financially, the decision was made it's time

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to put some more behind this reward money. It's time

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to see if we can coax that person out with

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the kind of money that could be in someone's circumstances,

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more life changing that could break that logjam about why

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they're not coming forward. So that's some of what's behind this,

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And I think in that context, if you look at

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the additional half million dollar donation to Nick Mick or

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the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, that is

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a nod to the fact that they understand that there

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are families in positions with missing people who don't have

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those resources, particularly with children in cases that don't get

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this kind of attention, and that they are trying to

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take a step towards helping those cases as well.

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Speaker 1: Nither I am worth pointing out is if this doesn't

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if the million dollars plus doesn't do it, then it's

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not It's not about money. What it's about is a question.

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Was it a burglary gone bad or was it simply

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a revenge kidnapping to get back at Savannah or her

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brother and sister or the family or we don't know.

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But if this doesn't work, then you've got to cross

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off the monetary idea, because if a million doesn't do it,

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I don't know what does. James Gagliano, a homicide detective,

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Here's what he said.

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Speaker 4: I'm not ready to make that assessment yet that there

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might have been a level of sophistication here. And look,

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you know, as we're entering the fourth week of this,

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I think most of the overt investigation that we've been

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able to witness and our cameras have picked up and

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the interviews that we've conducted has already been exhausted. I

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think much more. The investigation right now is going on

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behind the scenes. Law enforcement may very well have a

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list of names. We know the FBI has been out

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to a lot of the Tucson gun stores trying to

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talk to the owners of those shops to determine if

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anybody that resembled the image that we have up on

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the screen there and now, really it's also digging into

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that digital imagery the scenes we have up there were

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these potentially two separate dates and the same individual or

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could this possibly have been two different people? And lastly,

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you know, across twenty five years, I've seen violence, depravity,

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man's inhumanity writ large. Nothing ever prepares you, nothing ever

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grizzles you enough to listen to something like Savannah Guthrie. There,

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nothing ever can prepare you for that. It's heart wrenching.

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And at this juncture, the family wants closure one way

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or the other, whether it's a rescue or or whether

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it's a recovery.

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Speaker 1: What he mentioned was there's two photos from the video

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that they got from the guy on the porch. One

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of them shows the guy We've all seen it with

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the backpack and the gloves and the mask and all

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of that the other one and the gun hanging down

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in the middle of the front of his pants. The

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other photo that they have released is of it looks

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to be the exact same guy with the exact same

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mask and coat and everything else. He doesn't have the

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holster or the gun, and he doesn't have the backpack on.

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And now they won't confirm it, but a number of

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sources has said that was a different date. So if

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it was a different date, the guy without the backpack

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but looks just like the guy who did have the backpack,

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it may mean that he had been chasing the house

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on a previous date. To John Bueller, a retired homicide detective, well,

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it wouldn't surprise me if they did, judging from the

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fact that they're coming out with this reward now. It

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really kind of surprises me that they didn't have this

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reward several weeks ago.

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Speaker 5: It would have been appropriate time to do it. Of course,

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I don't know what they know, so I can't make

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the total call on that, But that's when you want

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to get to it quick. Right now, it's a point

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where everybody's starting to lean towards a recovery effort. I

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get that it kind of suggests that that's where it's going.

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But now that size of reward is going to strain

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the loyalty to whoever is accomplished with this guy or

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these guys, And it's really easy to take somebody that's

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a big player in something like this and talk to

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the prosecutors and turn them into a witness rather than

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a co responsible to gain their cooperation to get the

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extra help that you need to solve it. One of

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the things that we still have to take into consideration

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is the family could be getting frustrated with the pace

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of the investigation the lack of information that's coming out.

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Speaker 6: Now.

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Speaker 5: They might be getting more information than us, but it's

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hard to know for sure. It would have been maybe

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a little bit easier for everybody to deal with this

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case if they would have had a joint press conference

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with FBI with the locals on a daily or every

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other day basis to keep everybody. That wasn't the way

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they decided to handle that. There might be some good

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reasons behind that, but maybe not.

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Speaker 1: Back to the video slash photo of the guy with

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the backpack and without the backpack and gun, let's find

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out what Detective Viueler says.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that does kind of make it look like it

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was on two separate occasions. The only problem down there

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for anybody who hasn't been down there, is it's really

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difficult to get doorbell cameras from neighbors houses to be

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able to catch a view on this thing. All the

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houses are set back a little bit, they've got a

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limited view of the street in front of them, and

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even from Nancy's front door, it's very difficult to see

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the neighbors' houses because they're all obscured with all types

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of plant life and things like that down there. So

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I got to believe that they have already looked into that.

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I know the FBI doesn't make mistakes like that. They're

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going to be digging back in several days in advance

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from when this thing actually happened to see what they

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Speaker 1: So again the question about the photo of the guy

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with the backpack and without the backpack, let's find out

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what Gagliano has to say about it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I believe if law enforcement felt that that was

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information that might advance the investigation, that would be released.

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And go back to my earlier point last hour, there

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needs to be a singular point of information release. It

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can't be done through two separate silos, and right now

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we have radio silence, and the first week we had

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a number of day after day after day briefings, and

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then we morphed into this kind of cozy relationship that

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the sheriff has with local journalists and with some of

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the national journalists doing these one off interviews. The only

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thing we can glean from that is what did he

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say in one interview that was different from another interview.

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There needs to be an interview where it's a press

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conference and questions can be asked and information that we

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need was their forcible entry? Do we believe at this

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point in time that there were multiple perpetrators involved in this?

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Were those two separate dates, And I'm telling you right

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now that the Operational Technology Division will be able to

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mine that. They'll data mind that from the video imagery,

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so they do know that whether or not they choose

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to release it, that's anybody's guests.

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Speaker 1: So both these guys are critical of the way that

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the investigators are handling the public information side of this,

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and most police departments have a public information officer so

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that all of the coordination of the message and the

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efforts that they want to try to get out are

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done together. But this is very haphazard. It's done kind

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of hit and miss. So the Sheriff's getting a lot

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of grief about all that. But I do believe that

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the real key here is they're working on the fore end,

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behind the scenes, and that could take days, weeks, months.

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But in the meantime, will somebody come forward and say,

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I know where your mother is? Is she being held

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or is she buried somewhere? We'll they'll never find her

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unless she gets somebody to come forward. There's another group

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that has shown up, seems a little late, but they

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are highly regarded, the Cajun Navy. The Cajun Navy is there.

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so forth. And they are talking about the fact that

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they have drones with special technology. In other words, they

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might be going out and searching for the signal from

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the pacemaker, but they've got tools and equipment that are

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fairly unique to the Cajun Navy. So they're there offering

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their services to the investigation. So on to the fact

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that tonight is the State of the Union message, President

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giving his address nine o'clock Eastern time, it's going to

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go long, the White House says, and well, here's Harry

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Enton talking about the fact that Donald Trump already holds

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the record for the longest State of the Union message.

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Speaker 7: Haya's longest speech in American history. You know, I'm going

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to paraphrase my cousin Vinny. When I heard that Trump

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was going to give a long speech. What a freaking

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surprise that was, because why, I mean, just take a look.

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I mean, hello, President dresses to Congress. The term average,

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the average for presidents since nineteen hundred and sixty four

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fifty four minutes. Donald Trump over the course of his

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two presidencies. Look at this, eighty minutes. He goes, on

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average more than twenty six minutes, more than twenty five

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minutes longer than the average president. So when he says, oh,

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it's going to be a long loan, well that fits

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with history.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he mentioned the length of times since nineteen sixty four.

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The reason he went sixty four was Lyndon Johnson was

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the president and it was the first delivered in primetime

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television prior to nineteen sixty four. No, these were, in fact,

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for many, many decades. They were a piece of paper

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that was sent over to the Congress from the President

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about the State of the Union. But the first primetime

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television was Lyndon Johnson in nineteen well, it was the

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beginning of nineteen sixty five, and Lyndon Johnson thought maybe

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that would draw a big television crowd for his ego,

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and it did, and they've been doing it ever since.

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Speaker 8: Back to Harry Daughter.

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Speaker 7: He's telegraphing exactly what's been happening in the past, because

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why don't we just take a look here, Hello, President

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dresses to Congress. The average speech fifty five minutes. Look

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at this one. The last one was more than an

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hour and a half, blue past the previous record belonging

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to William Jefferson Clinton.

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Speaker 3: Look at this ninety nine minutes.

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Speaker 7: He went ninety nine minutes last year, which wasn't technically

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a State of the Union address, by the way, but

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it was still an address to a joint session of Congress.

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So we'll see if he's able to break the record

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for any address to a joint session of Congress that

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he himself set a year ago. Donald Trump's likes top

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breaks records, and when it comes to making us listen

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to him for a longer period of time. He does

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a very good job of breaking those records.

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Speaker 1: Don't brace yourself, it's gonna be If it starts at

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nine and the record over an hour and a half, Sonna,

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it's gonna be late. So to keep you occupied, we

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have a couple of drinking games. The first one, this

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is from the Jersey Coast Emergency News Post, says, take

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one sip when he says tremendous, he mentions the economy,

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Iran or Israel. Take a sip. He talks about his

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ratings or crowd sized. Take a sip. He says believe me.

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Take a sip. He repeats a phrase for emphasis. Take

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a sip, Take take two SIPs. If he gives someone

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a nickname, or he mentions fake news, or he references

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a past election, or he gestures with both hands while

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making a point, Take a big sip. If he says

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something that immediately trends on social media, the crowd starts

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chanting for excessively long periods, or he goes off script

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by telling a long story. Well, there's some that's from

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the Jersey Coast Emergency News Post. Here's a Bengo card

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about the state of the Union. Now let's see what's

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on the card here. At the top of the card

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is claims the twenty twenty election was stolen, claims he

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ended x number of wars Bash's scotis Supreme Court mentions.

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Nicki Minaj hints at refund checks mentions, Greenland hints at

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war with Iran, says the phrase fake news mentions. Joe

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Biden claims Epstein is a hoax. It goes on and

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on the bottom line is he is going to talk

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about Iran? We think to the purpose of it is

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apparently he wants to focus on the economy. Here's the

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problem he's got. The polling is pretty much along the

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same line, and the polling is not favorable. He's got

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about forty approval on the economy from Washington Post and

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Fox News. Many others are down in the thirty percent

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approval range. This is his opportunity to try to sell

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his message. Problem is not that many people actually tune in.

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big TV audience. But when you talk about the voters

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out there, well, back to Harriet.

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Speaker 7: We know some Democrats are not even to show up

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for this.

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Speaker 3: In person who typically watches the State of dunity to speeches.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, for Democrats, sometimes less is more when it comes

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to President Trump, but for Republicans sometimes more is more.

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And those are the people who actually tune in to

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watch these speeches. It's the partisan crowd. He's not actually

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going after independence. He's talking to his space. And we

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can see that from last year. Right, Okay, share in

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twenty twenty five who identified as GOP look at this

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watch Trump Trump' speech to Congress. Forty eight percent of

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those were Republicans compared to just thirty two percent of

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Americans overall. So what you're dealing with is an audience.

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You're speaking to the home crowd, and the home crowd

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loves to hear Donald Trump talk, and that is probably

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what he'll be doing tonight is talking to a crowd

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and go on for a very very long period of time.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So a bunch of Democrats are not going to go.

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The number has been tallied up by some of the

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media about thirty six Democrats are not going to be

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in attendance. They're apparently going to have some rally on

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the on the Capitol Wall of some kind. John Fetterman

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thinks that is wrong.

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Speaker 9: I do hope all the other Democrats that choose to

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come that we don't do the same kinds of things

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that happened at the last year. He was really undignified.

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I'm always going to pick country over party.

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Speaker 1: There's another guy commenting about it that's starting to put

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his toe in the political water. He's a big, big,

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big name in the world of sports broadcasting, stephen A. Smith.

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Speaker 10: So I'm talking about walking out in the middle of

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this speech. Others are talking about boycotting it altogether and

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essentially finding something else to do. I'm here to tell

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you that neither is acceptable at some point in Tom,

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Ladies and Gentlemen, has got to be an adultin. If

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you're going to act as juvenile, as petulant, as petty

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as you accuse the President of the United States to be,

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how are you ever going to hold a high moral ground,

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at least high enough to judge him accordingly. This is

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the kind of stuff that ticks me off.

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Speaker 8: So that's Stephen A.

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Speaker 1: And he's starting to sound more political more than sports.

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Brett bear Over at Fox as this observation, I think.

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Speaker 11: There's going to be a focus on the economy. Who

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think that there's going to be a real significant part

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of this speech that deals with what they see, what

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they passed with the big beautiful bill, what people they

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believe the administration believes, are starting to feel and will

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feel as the year progresses. That consumer confidence number is

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a good sign as you head into this speech, because

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it was low and there are people that are bling

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pain from this economy there and you see that in

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polls all up and down. The President is going to

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spend a lot of time on the economy, but he

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has a full plate of issues to deal with, iron

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the fallout from Venezuela. He will react, react to the

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Supreme Court and the tariffs, and you wonder how that's

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going to go with the Supreme Court justices, several of

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them in the front row listening to the speech. So

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it'll be fascinating to see, expect these stories weaving in

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all of these elements with real people as examples, because

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the President has done that before and he will do

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it again.

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Speaker 1: So the hockey team US hockey team that just won

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the gold medal, the men's the women were invited and

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said no, thank you, but the men's team said yes,

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we will be there. Because of the storm in New York,

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their flight from Italy had to be diverted from New

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York to They landed in Miami yesterday and today apparently

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the President set sent a plane to Miami to fly

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them up to a joint base Andrews. So a large

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number of them will be at the State of the

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Union tonight. Everybody's all thrilled about the win and about

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the patriotism being exhibited by the hockey team members. Some

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of them will be missing because they're playing for professional

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league teams and they have games tomorrow. So so as

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far as the walkout goes, apparently, no, we've had disruptions,

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but not a walkout.

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Speaker 11: No, we haven't seen this before as far as a

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missing the speech a walkout. You know, I had Adrian

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Eldrod on Special Report last night Democratic Strategists, and she said,

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whatever happened, you have to be respectful because they didn't

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see any benefit from last year some of those uprisings

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during the speech. And but you know, if there's a

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big void as far as people there on the Democratic side,

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that's also a sign of respect. So I'll see what

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the fallout is. But they're going to have their own

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event on the National Mall as a protest to President

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Trump's policies Iran probably will come up, but the negotiations,

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like I said, are starting to again.

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Speaker 1: The next round is on Thursday, so maybe the President

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will keep his powder dry. But let's check in with

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General Jack Keene on his view of what's going on

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with I wrong.

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Speaker 6: Well, first of all, on the sites that we certainly destroyed,

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what Iran has been doing is tempting to assess how

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much damage can they recover that site? Is it really

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worth the effort? Also publicly reported, we know they're looking

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at another site that we did not hit. It was

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not a nuclear site, so they can actually develop new

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capability at that site. We're tracking all of this. The

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Israelis are tracking it, and we're tracking it, and believe me,

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we're not going to let them get too far advanced

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any place without having to either one they voluntarily stop

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work through negotiations and greet a substantive deal or too

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that it would be on the target list in addition

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to a very comprehensive target list. If we do conduct

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a military operation, which I do think we will, well,

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I don't know what the basis for that is, but yeah,

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certainly if that's the case, that there still would be

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months away getting actually to weapons great as ninety percent.

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To go from anything north of twenty to ninety doesn't

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take that much time. But listen to what the absurdity

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of all this. They sit across from one negotiators and say,

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we are not building a nuclear weapon. So the enrich

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uranium you need just for civil nuclear powers three to

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five percent, and they are way beyond that, and they

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have sites buried underneath the ground. But yet they lie

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and lie. So why would we ever agreed to deal

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with these people when we know they're lying to us

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right now. They've lied to us for last forty six years,

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and they will continue to lie and cheat. In my judgment,

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we should do nothing to extend the life of this

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regime when we have an historic opportunity right now, given

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it so weak and fragile, to finally set the conditions

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for a regime collapse. We have never been in this

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position in forty six years, and the only reason we're

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in this position because of Netniao and Trump the Twelve

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Day War and what they did to weaken ran not

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just militarily but psychologically politically, and as we all know,

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they've already in a tank economically. This is a fragile,

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vulnerable nation that does have some retaliation capability. I'm not

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dismissive of that, and that's why we're putting resources in

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the region to protect our bases and to protect Israel.

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But the historic opportunity is here. It is right in

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front of us, and that's why I think it's to

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prefer option. If we get this regime to collapse and

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we start working with another regime like we're doing in Venezuela,

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people that we can bend to our will, we have

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the opportunity for peace and stability that could be enduring

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for decades to come. We have not seen that in

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the last forty six years. That is what is in

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front of us. Yeah, I think the history is clear.

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Whatever Iron says or whatever Ron pretends to do is

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not real.

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Speaker 3: They will cheat.

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Speaker 6: And even the nuclear weapons threat, that's not even a

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good deal in itself. What about the ballistic missiles. That's

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what they've been recovering since the June War. That's what's

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got Israel so concerned. That's why we have so many

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assets in the region to protect our own basis from

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that we have, they would have to agree to limit

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the range of those nuclear weapons, excuse me, ballistic missiles

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three three hundred kilometers and so they couldn't hit Israel

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and also limit the numbers of those, and they would

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have to stop supporting the proxies. After all, they've been

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destabilizing the region for multiple decades by supporting the proxies.

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The whole October seventh is all about Iran fueling Hamas

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and Hezbollah to try to destroy the state of Israel.

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Where is our memory? That was just two years ago.

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So they haven't changed their stripes. And yes, they are idealogues,

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theological idealogues, and it would be much better to remove

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them and work with nationalists. They may be hardcore that

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you can bend to our will and that is a

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much better option.

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Speaker 1: So General Keiths all worked I mean more worked out

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than I've ever heard him. He's chomping a the bit

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to go after Iran. David Sanger, national security guy, he is.

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He was asked about what the President is going to

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talk about tonight regarding it roll.

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Speaker 8: My guess is that the President will say something along

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the lines this is a last chance for Iran, but

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it's also a really critical moment for the president to

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make a decision here He has put this huge force

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in the Gulf. It's really hard after you put that

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much combat power, more than we have seen at any

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time since the run up to the invasion of Iraq

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was at twenty two to twenty three years ago, to

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make that sort of go away. And so he would

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have to come up with some kind of an agreement

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that he could sell as much stronger than what President

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Obama got ten years ago during the Iran negotiations. That's

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going to be tough. And while there are some proposals around,

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it certainly doesn't sound like they're very close at this point.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'll watch it tonight so you don't have to,

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And no, I don't think I can't do the work

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and also participate in the drinking contest. However, we'll give

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you the rundown tomorrow. Wall Street today reversed all the

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losses from yesterday. The Dow up three hundred seventy, the

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forty nine thousand and one seventy four, SMP up fifty two,

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NAZDAC up two hundred and thirty six. The price of

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gold fell sixty two dollars down to five thousand and

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one sixty three, and oil down twenty cents. Still in

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the sixty six dollars range for a barrel of oil.

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So that's it for today. Have yourself a wonderful rest

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of your day. I'll be back tomorrow and I hope

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to see you then

