WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.440 --> 00:00:04.120 Big Dave loves himself. Little Neil Young good. It is good, 2 00:00:04.240 --> 00:00:06.799 but it's one of those things where it was overplayed, 3 00:00:07.120 --> 00:00:10.480 like you're your old man was into the metal stuff, right, 4 00:00:10.519 --> 00:00:11.560 the nineties metal. 5 00:00:11.359 --> 00:00:13.400 Stuff, yeah, little hair metal. 6 00:00:13.519 --> 00:00:16.359 Yeah. And if he gets overplayed, then you become an adult. 7 00:00:16.399 --> 00:00:17.879 You don't love it as much as you should because 8 00:00:17.879 --> 00:00:21.480 you heard it a ton It's fair, Yeah, Nil's little timeless, 9 00:00:21.480 --> 00:00:23.960 in my opinion, not fair enough. Chris Camaraannie Live in 10 00:00:24.039 --> 00:00:28.519 studio Hot Neil Neil Young take Let's get it there. Yeah. 11 00:00:28.600 --> 00:00:30.839 I think for me, the Eagles are kind of the 12 00:00:30.920 --> 00:00:35.640 quintessential overplayed band, and I always think of the Lebowski 13 00:00:35.719 --> 00:00:40.399 scene He's just get out of my cab. I love 14 00:00:40.439 --> 00:00:42.679 that he had to take a cab from Malibu all 15 00:00:42.719 --> 00:00:45.159 the way back to the city. What's an expensive cab? 16 00:00:45.280 --> 00:00:46.799 Right? It is? Then he throws him out of the 17 00:00:46.840 --> 00:00:48.840 cab because he doesn't like the Eagles. But Big Dave 18 00:00:48.880 --> 00:00:51.520 also overplayed the Eagles, so I can't absolutely, I can't 19 00:00:51.520 --> 00:00:53.679 do it. It was there a band that was overplayed 20 00:00:53.719 --> 00:00:55.039 in your house when you were younger. 21 00:00:55.399 --> 00:00:58.200 No, my mom has really really good taste in music. 22 00:00:58.600 --> 00:01:02.200 She like went with the times, so we never overplayed anything. 23 00:01:02.280 --> 00:01:06.959 It would it would, you know, evolve sixties, seventies, eighties, nineties. 24 00:01:07.000 --> 00:01:08.519 I mean like we had we had a pretty good 25 00:01:08.560 --> 00:01:11.000 repertoire going. I mean we would. We would go from 26 00:01:11.079 --> 00:01:16.640 like you know, Jefferson Airplane to the Eagles, a lot 27 00:01:16.680 --> 00:01:19.519 of you know, almost famousy stuff. And then as the 28 00:01:19.560 --> 00:01:21.439 eighties and nineties came around. I was born in the eighties, 29 00:01:21.480 --> 00:01:23.439 like you know, she started getting hit with it, Whitney 30 00:01:23.480 --> 00:01:26.000 Houston Voice to Man Nice. We had a pretty good 31 00:01:27.400 --> 00:01:29.079 catalog of music in our house. 32 00:01:29.079 --> 00:01:31.560 See I I kind of nobody cares about this, but 33 00:01:31.680 --> 00:01:33.000 I care you think so? 34 00:01:33.159 --> 00:01:33.560 I think so. 35 00:01:34.120 --> 00:01:36.640 Frank Layton has advice to me was who cares? Nobody's 36 00:01:36.640 --> 00:01:38.159 listening when I first took the job. So that's kind 37 00:01:38.159 --> 00:01:40.239 of how I do the job. Nobody's listening. I was 38 00:01:40.319 --> 00:01:45.079 lucky that deb My Mom Motown. Oh yeah, loved it. Yeah, 39 00:01:45.120 --> 00:01:47.519 so learned about all that as the Supremes. Yeah, oh yeah, 40 00:01:47.519 --> 00:01:51.640 for sure. Danna Ross, no doubt anyway, Chris, Happy, Happy Wednesday. 41 00:01:51.920 --> 00:01:53.439 Why are we getting you on a Wednesday this week? 42 00:01:53.959 --> 00:01:55.120 Because my kid's a taken? 43 00:01:55.959 --> 00:01:58.799 Oh I see, you know usually you're on our Friday sable. 44 00:01:58.879 --> 00:02:01.319 Yeah, free days. The kid is not in daycare on Fridays. 45 00:02:01.359 --> 00:02:04.040 Okay, fair enough. How's your January going? Things going? 46 00:02:04.079 --> 00:02:06.079 Well? Yeah? Was I in here last week? 47 00:02:06.120 --> 00:02:06.400 You were? 48 00:02:06.719 --> 00:02:10.000 And it was after Yeah, yeah it was. I got 49 00:02:10.000 --> 00:02:11.639 back from Rosebel. Yeah, i've seen you sin since the 50 00:02:11.719 --> 00:02:13.800 new year. But yeah, January's good man, Yeah, yeah, yeah, 51 00:02:13.800 --> 00:02:14.400 everything's cool. 52 00:02:14.479 --> 00:02:16.599 Just the first Monday in January, as I talked to 53 00:02:16.599 --> 00:02:17.800 you about, it just kind of hits. 54 00:02:17.599 --> 00:02:19.759 Where you're it's like a Seinfeld episode. 55 00:02:19.919 --> 00:02:22.639 Yes, and I tore my rotator crough. I don't know 56 00:02:22.680 --> 00:02:25.719 if I told you this, No you did. Yeah, it's 57 00:02:25.719 --> 00:02:30.159 a partial tear. Shout out day Petron my guy imaging imaging, imaging, Yes, 58 00:02:30.280 --> 00:02:34.400 imaging X ray as well as the ultrasound. And I 59 00:02:34.439 --> 00:02:37.120 saw it's a partial tear, not a full tear. No surgery. 60 00:02:37.159 --> 00:02:39.039 But do you want to tell the people how you 61 00:02:39.039 --> 00:02:39.400 tore it? 62 00:02:39.800 --> 00:02:44.840 Shoulder presses, how many moving weight around? M oh Man, 63 00:02:45.560 --> 00:02:47.479 I don't know what RepA was. All I know is 64 00:02:47.479 --> 00:02:49.280 I dropped the dumbbell because it hurt so bad. 65 00:02:49.360 --> 00:02:51.400 So what would described the pain? As soon as like? 66 00:02:51.520 --> 00:02:52.280 Was it amedt. 67 00:02:52.000 --> 00:02:54.759 Stinging shooting pain? It felt like somebody shot me in 68 00:02:54.800 --> 00:02:55.280 the arm. 69 00:02:55.680 --> 00:02:58.159 Not like, so, I mean, first people, there's a lot 70 00:02:58.159 --> 00:02:59.120 of people who haven't been shot. 71 00:02:59.240 --> 00:03:02.680 So is it like I also have never been shot. 72 00:03:02.719 --> 00:03:03.919 Let's be like a like. 73 00:03:03.840 --> 00:03:05.560 A when you get a shot at the doctor, A 74 00:03:05.599 --> 00:03:06.800 little bit big needle. 75 00:03:06.560 --> 00:03:08.439 To Yeah, a little bit, just like. It wasn't like 76 00:03:08.520 --> 00:03:11.039 a dull pain. I didn't feel pop. It was just 77 00:03:11.080 --> 00:03:12.919 like a stinging pain right away. 78 00:03:12.960 --> 00:03:14.560 And as soon as you put the weight down, did 79 00:03:14.560 --> 00:03:16.000 it alleviate or no? Continue? 80 00:03:16.080 --> 00:03:16.159 No? 81 00:03:16.280 --> 00:03:16.680 Continued? 82 00:03:16.719 --> 00:03:19.800 So I went home, called my guy. Yeah, and the 83 00:03:19.840 --> 00:03:22.400 bummers that it happened on a Friday, and so I 84 00:03:22.479 --> 00:03:25.400 had to wait until the ortho was open on a Monday. 85 00:03:25.520 --> 00:03:26.039 Yeah. 86 00:03:26.120 --> 00:03:28.000 So I'm just ibuprofen iccene. 87 00:03:28.240 --> 00:03:29.960 You know, did you get the sling? 88 00:03:30.360 --> 00:03:33.159 No sling? Because again, partial terror. I can do this, right, 89 00:03:33.280 --> 00:03:36.080 I just I can't do the side. Okay, how's your health? 90 00:03:36.120 --> 00:03:38.800 By the way, it's great, man. What's the worst what's 91 00:03:38.840 --> 00:03:40.199 the worst injury you've ever had? 92 00:03:40.919 --> 00:03:45.439 Oh? I I've had like lots of minor ones. It 93 00:03:45.479 --> 00:03:48.879 tore my MCL when I was like nineteen, didn't get surgery. 94 00:03:49.879 --> 00:03:52.719 To me, the most debilitating injury I've had was like 95 00:03:52.879 --> 00:03:55.960 a I don't know what the official diagnosis was was 96 00:03:56.000 --> 00:03:59.479 like a lower back issue right before COVID. My friends 97 00:03:59.520 --> 00:04:03.120 and I were spike ball a lot, okay when we 98 00:04:03.120 --> 00:04:06.080 were younger. This was like, you know, in my early thirties, 99 00:04:06.759 --> 00:04:10.240 and it requires a lot of diving and just one 100 00:04:10.439 --> 00:04:13.080 one jump, one dive. I just felt it and I 101 00:04:13.199 --> 00:04:15.520 was just in a very bad state, like I was 102 00:04:15.560 --> 00:04:18.439 on muscle relaxers. And it was not a good thing. 103 00:04:18.560 --> 00:04:20.759 And that was a back issue. Back issue. Yeah, back 104 00:04:20.800 --> 00:04:24.480 issues are the worst. Anyway. There you go. Enough enough 105 00:04:24.560 --> 00:04:28.319 conversation about aging and hurting yourself all the time. Let's 106 00:04:28.319 --> 00:04:29.600 see where do you want to start today? 107 00:04:29.600 --> 00:04:35.720 C K or not Wednesday? I'll tell you probably not. 108 00:04:35.800 --> 00:04:37.680 I'll tell you what's not hot? Back injuries? 109 00:04:37.720 --> 00:04:40.800 What is okay, not hot? Well, okay, back injuries not hot? 110 00:04:40.879 --> 00:04:41.240 Not hot? 111 00:04:41.279 --> 00:04:42.800 What's hot on a Wednesday? Right now? 112 00:04:43.680 --> 00:04:44.399 Going to the gym? 113 00:04:44.439 --> 00:04:47.639 Apparently, No, I'm not hot, not hot at all? What 114 00:04:47.720 --> 00:04:50.079 do how many listeners have any frame of reference for 115 00:04:50.199 --> 00:04:51.360 what we're talking about? 116 00:04:52.040 --> 00:04:53.879 As far as we could talk about triggers? 117 00:04:53.879 --> 00:04:56.360 If you want an old feature back in the day, 118 00:04:56.839 --> 00:04:58.759 now we can move on from it, all right, the 119 00:04:58.959 --> 00:05:01.480 uh uh, you know what, Here's what I'll ask you, 120 00:05:01.720 --> 00:05:04.040 and you know, I'm quite sure if we could find 121 00:05:04.079 --> 00:05:09.560 an answer, we do people big time favor. I am 122 00:05:09.759 --> 00:05:12.560 still stunned, even though it's been a number of years 123 00:05:12.879 --> 00:05:17.600 that the Utah basketball program cannot consistently find their way 124 00:05:17.639 --> 00:05:21.319 back to even semi relevance. And I feel bad being 125 00:05:21.360 --> 00:05:24.639 overly critical because I like Craig and he's one wherever 126 00:05:24.720 --> 00:05:29.439 he's been prior to this stop, and I watch every 127 00:05:29.439 --> 00:05:31.600 game I watched last night. I don't view this as 128 00:05:31.600 --> 00:05:34.079 a coaching issue. Craig enters the gym every night with 129 00:05:34.160 --> 00:05:37.680 a talent discrepancy and a talent gap that in the 130 00:05:37.680 --> 00:05:41.879 Big twelve is undeniable. But it's hard to recruit to 131 00:05:43.160 --> 00:05:45.759 a basketball program that does not have fans to show 132 00:05:45.839 --> 00:05:48.680 up to watch the games. And I'm not blaming the fans, 133 00:05:48.720 --> 00:05:52.519 because you have to have a product that's engaging, that's entertaining. 134 00:05:53.120 --> 00:05:54.920 And so there's this chicken or the egg thing that 135 00:05:54.959 --> 00:05:56.759 I've been talking about this week. I do think if 136 00:05:56.800 --> 00:05:59.360 that building was full, it would help Craig recruit because 137 00:05:59.439 --> 00:06:01.519 players want to play in front of in front of fans. 138 00:06:02.160 --> 00:06:03.519 But I also understand a fan base. 139 00:06:03.560 --> 00:06:07.199 It's like, dude, they they get housed. Every Big Twelve 140 00:06:07.199 --> 00:06:07.879 game they play. 141 00:06:08.800 --> 00:06:10.879 So I'm just wondering what your thoughts are. You you 142 00:06:10.879 --> 00:06:13.560 were around the back in the day when Utah basketball, 143 00:06:13.560 --> 00:06:16.240 I mean, you remember when Utah basketball was out of 144 00:06:16.319 --> 00:06:17.959 say Dan, and I'm never going to be the guy 145 00:06:18.000 --> 00:06:19.199 that says, how do we get it back to the 146 00:06:19.360 --> 00:06:22.959 jerish years? Yeah, but but your thoughts on this program 147 00:06:23.000 --> 00:06:25.360 that year in and year out just can't find its 148 00:06:25.360 --> 00:06:25.920 way back. 149 00:06:26.560 --> 00:06:30.879 Well, I'll go back in time. My junior year of 150 00:06:30.920 --> 00:06:34.199 college was Jim Boylan's best year. 151 00:06:34.319 --> 00:06:37.040 Jim Boylan, Luca Dertcia, little five seed. 152 00:06:37.600 --> 00:06:42.680 I believe Tyler Kepke, Carlon Brown, Kim Tilley was that 153 00:06:42.759 --> 00:06:46.160 Luke Neville. Yeah, yeah, they made They were five seed 154 00:06:46.240 --> 00:06:49.399 that year and then they got They drew Arizona, that's twelve, 155 00:06:49.439 --> 00:06:52.839 and they lost. But I know Larry had a couple 156 00:06:52.879 --> 00:06:56.000 of good teams. He had some pros, Kyle and Delon 157 00:06:56.120 --> 00:07:00.800 and yakob Ah. I don't even think you need pros 158 00:07:00.839 --> 00:07:03.639 in college basketball. You just need to have an engaging 159 00:07:03.639 --> 00:07:06.319 style of play. Look at what Utah State's been able 160 00:07:06.360 --> 00:07:09.079 to do in the last decade with five different head coaches, 161 00:07:09.360 --> 00:07:12.560 and I know there is a cultural difference where Utah 162 00:07:12.600 --> 00:07:16.120 State is more of a basketball school historically than Utah is. 163 00:07:16.639 --> 00:07:21.160 But we saw for forty fifty years Utah was primarily 164 00:07:21.160 --> 00:07:24.040 a basketball school. Now it's become a football school. So 165 00:07:24.079 --> 00:07:28.360 how does Utah, I don't know, find somewhat of an 166 00:07:28.399 --> 00:07:32.079 even footing on that point. I don't know, man, Like 167 00:07:32.120 --> 00:07:36.160 I think it's just getting good players playing engaging basketball, 168 00:07:36.480 --> 00:07:39.079 and like there was a talent discrepancy for many years, 169 00:07:39.079 --> 00:07:40.839 even in the Pac twelve. I don't even think this 170 00:07:40.920 --> 00:07:43.759 is a Big twelve thing. This is an issue that 171 00:07:43.839 --> 00:07:48.000 stems beyond Craig, beyond Larry. I mean, this is something 172 00:07:48.040 --> 00:07:50.879 that the Utah basketball program hasn't been able to figure 173 00:07:50.879 --> 00:07:54.040 out for I mean, what twenty years now. I mean 174 00:07:54.199 --> 00:07:56.920 Jim had one good year, Larry had a few. So 175 00:07:57.040 --> 00:07:59.839 you're talking about like four or five out of twenty ish. 176 00:08:00.120 --> 00:08:01.720 I mean Ray Jacolade had a good year, but like 177 00:08:01.759 --> 00:08:04.120 I'm just saying, like that is a very low clip. 178 00:08:04.279 --> 00:08:06.360 Well, and jack A Leetti's good year was with Bogut, 179 00:08:06.399 --> 00:08:09.079 who Rick recruited. Right, and all due respect to Ray, 180 00:08:09.279 --> 00:08:11.040 you always seem like a nice guy or whatever, but 181 00:08:11.639 --> 00:08:14.399 you bring up an interesting point, and I don't think 182 00:08:14.480 --> 00:08:17.279 this is mutually exclusive like, for instance, Alabama has an 183 00:08:17.319 --> 00:08:20.439 awesome basketball team and an awesome football team. But it 184 00:08:20.560 --> 00:08:24.759 does seem that the Utah basketball program kind of started 185 00:08:24.800 --> 00:08:28.639 its slide into somewhat irrelevance as the football program started 186 00:08:28.680 --> 00:08:31.439 to evolve. Yeah, do you think there's anything where fans 187 00:08:31.480 --> 00:08:32.240 are kind of like. 188 00:08:32.360 --> 00:08:34.480 Well, they're probably spread thin. They probably don't want to 189 00:08:34.519 --> 00:08:36.919 necessarily shell out That's what makes sense shell out money 190 00:08:36.919 --> 00:08:40.759 Bush season tickets for both. And I know that, you know, 191 00:08:40.840 --> 00:08:44.279 college basketball season tickets are much cheaper than college football tickets, 192 00:08:44.279 --> 00:08:48.279 even though there's more home games. But I think it's 193 00:08:48.840 --> 00:08:50.720 I just don't know if we're in a market where 194 00:08:50.759 --> 00:08:53.879 people are going to be locked in from August all 195 00:08:53.919 --> 00:08:57.039 the way to April, I just think that's asking a lot. 196 00:08:57.080 --> 00:09:01.360 And I mean, frankly, if you're somebody who wants to 197 00:09:01.399 --> 00:09:04.679 invest in a good product, as we've seen the last 198 00:09:04.720 --> 00:09:06.559 couple of years, it makes way more sense at the 199 00:09:06.559 --> 00:09:09.720 moment to invest in going to watch Utah women's basketball 200 00:09:09.759 --> 00:09:12.480 because they're very good and they play a very entertaining 201 00:09:12.559 --> 00:09:16.320 style of basketball. And I don't know, it's just more 202 00:09:16.360 --> 00:09:18.320 fun and it's more fun when you win, and it's 203 00:09:18.320 --> 00:09:23.120 more fun when you play like I say, when you 204 00:09:23.120 --> 00:09:25.559 play a style that's engaging to fans, So. 205 00:09:26.039 --> 00:09:29.200 It could be something as simple as consistent performance and 206 00:09:29.240 --> 00:09:31.879 showing that you have the ability, like because to your point, 207 00:09:31.879 --> 00:09:34.360 there's always been this one year spike where it's okay, 208 00:09:34.360 --> 00:09:37.480 we're back in the tournament and then boom. So maybe 209 00:09:37.600 --> 00:09:41.320 I don't know three four five years of consistent, winning, 210 00:09:41.639 --> 00:09:45.000 entertaining basketball, and I don't know how you do it 211 00:09:45.000 --> 00:09:47.000 these days. But players that stay here used to be 212 00:09:47.080 --> 00:09:50.120 kind of the thing. And again I'm doing the Majeri's thing. 213 00:09:50.159 --> 00:09:52.799 But all those guys van Horn and Britain and Andre 214 00:09:52.879 --> 00:09:55.559 and Dole, like they were three four year guys, so 215 00:09:55.840 --> 00:09:58.399 the community got to know them. But maybe that's not 216 00:09:58.600 --> 00:10:01.320 a reality of how to He brought up something else, 217 00:10:01.399 --> 00:10:07.320 like really the emotional, economic, whatever you want to reframe 218 00:10:07.399 --> 00:10:12.440 the investment as for that long the of the calendar. 219 00:10:13.440 --> 00:10:17.759 When it comes to college basketball, that's Yukon, it's Kentucky, 220 00:10:17.960 --> 00:10:21.799 it's Duke, it's Caroll. Like seven or eight programs get 221 00:10:21.799 --> 00:10:23.840 that type of year long support if for honest. 222 00:10:23.720 --> 00:10:27.279 Agreed, But and you're also talking about schools that get 223 00:10:27.919 --> 00:10:31.960 that from a single sport, not necessarily the two big 224 00:10:32.000 --> 00:10:34.639 revenue earning sports. Yeah, I'm trying to think, like off 225 00:10:34.639 --> 00:10:37.080 the top of my head, like you mentioned Alabama, but 226 00:10:37.120 --> 00:10:39.679 Alabama really hasn't really come on from a men's basketball 227 00:10:39.720 --> 00:10:42.519 standpoint until like the last four or five years. Traditionally 228 00:10:42.600 --> 00:10:46.159 they were they were pretty bad, even you know, before 229 00:10:46.279 --> 00:10:49.159 Nick Saban got there and changed their fortunes. I guess Auburn, 230 00:10:49.320 --> 00:10:51.519 like Auburn was good, but now it's kind of like 231 00:10:51.559 --> 00:10:53.679 the football team's not good, right, basketball team's very good. 232 00:10:54.120 --> 00:10:58.440 It's hard to find one athletic program where they're always 233 00:10:58.480 --> 00:11:00.559 really really good at football and always really really good 234 00:11:00.559 --> 00:11:01.360 at men's basketball. 235 00:11:01.759 --> 00:11:06.200 Yeah, consistently. Yeah, there's always texas As spurts here there 236 00:11:06.240 --> 00:11:08.200 on the basketball side. But no, it's a fair point. 237 00:11:08.799 --> 00:11:11.600 Just curious to get your thoughts, because, again, I feel 238 00:11:11.639 --> 00:11:14.120 bad saying this. I'm watching them play these Big twelve 239 00:11:14.159 --> 00:11:16.080 games and it doesn't even feel like it's a fair fight. 240 00:11:16.799 --> 00:11:20.159 Yeah, going back to your point about guys who stay 241 00:11:20.399 --> 00:11:26.039 like it is hard to recruit in this current landscape 242 00:11:26.039 --> 00:11:28.559 of college athletics, I get it, But you're also if 243 00:11:28.559 --> 00:11:30.720 I'm and it might be unfair to compare to other 244 00:11:30.840 --> 00:11:33.399 programs in the state. You look at a place like 245 00:11:33.519 --> 00:11:36.159 Utah State. Yes, they lost their head coach, they lost 246 00:11:36.399 --> 00:11:39.559 great Osibor, who's a great player, No pun intended, But like, 247 00:11:39.799 --> 00:11:42.039 you have lots of guys that are still in that program. 248 00:11:42.200 --> 00:11:43.759 One of these guys who used to be a Utah 249 00:11:43.840 --> 00:11:46.399 you Ian Martinez, who's been there for several years now 250 00:11:46.519 --> 00:11:47.080 bouts around. 251 00:11:47.120 --> 00:11:47.519 Yeah. 252 00:11:47.559 --> 00:11:50.399 But like, if you get players who find their niche 253 00:11:50.480 --> 00:11:53.000 and have a role and can help you build a 254 00:11:53.039 --> 00:11:56.519 winning culture, odds are you'll be able to get them 255 00:11:56.600 --> 00:12:00.120 to stay, especially in college basketball. I mean, I I 256 00:12:00.200 --> 00:12:03.279 don't think the poaching is at a level and I 257 00:12:03.320 --> 00:12:05.919 could be totally wrong. I just I think, considering the 258 00:12:06.480 --> 00:12:08.679 size of rosters, I don't think the poaching is at 259 00:12:08.720 --> 00:12:13.080 the same level of football in that like you're fifteen 260 00:12:13.080 --> 00:12:14.720 players compared to one hundred and five, you know what 261 00:12:14.759 --> 00:12:18.200 I mean. And there's and it's proven in college basketball 262 00:12:18.240 --> 00:12:19.879 that you can be good no matter your size, and 263 00:12:19.919 --> 00:12:21.879 you can make a run if you're good. Again, I'll 264 00:12:21.960 --> 00:12:25.399 use Utah State as an example, Like, how many players 265 00:12:25.440 --> 00:12:28.759 on that team are Utah players? A few, quite a few? 266 00:12:28.840 --> 00:12:31.480 Yeah, yeah, most, I believe how many. 267 00:12:31.399 --> 00:12:34.279 Utah players are on Utah's roster currently? I honestly don't know. 268 00:12:34.320 --> 00:12:36.240 I mean, I know the Hunter Erickson kid is a 269 00:12:36.279 --> 00:12:40.159 bench player, he's a Utah kid, but the Mats and 270 00:12:40.200 --> 00:12:43.480 brothers are not from Utah. They have the Finnish player, 271 00:12:44.240 --> 00:12:46.240 the big guys, the tall guys on the team. I 272 00:12:46.240 --> 00:12:48.279 don't know their names. I don't think they're from Utah. 273 00:12:48.360 --> 00:12:51.320 So it's like, I don't think you necessarily have to 274 00:12:51.320 --> 00:12:54.919 recruit local players to be good. But I don't know 275 00:12:55.440 --> 00:12:58.519 if you're talking about at least within the last decade, 276 00:12:59.159 --> 00:13:03.159 the best college basketball programs to come out of the 277 00:13:03.240 --> 00:13:06.360 state between our three big schools generally have been able 278 00:13:06.399 --> 00:13:10.440 to lock up local talent, especially Utah State and BYU. 279 00:13:10.600 --> 00:13:13.440 Jake Waaleen is from Provo, but you already knew that, Yeah, 280 00:13:13.480 --> 00:13:16.159 wall Lean, Hunter Erickson is from Provo as you referenced, 281 00:13:16.200 --> 00:13:17.919 and our guy Brady Smith is from Logan. 282 00:13:18.759 --> 00:13:20.960 Wait Brady Smith didn't he used to produce this program. 283 00:13:21.360 --> 00:13:23.799 No, that was Brady Clark. Okay, shout out to our 284 00:13:23.840 --> 00:13:26.440 guy Brady Hope. He's hanging in. He's a Utah Stag fan, 285 00:13:26.559 --> 00:13:27.759 so he's probably having a good year. 286 00:13:28.320 --> 00:13:30.519 But like, I don't understand you. You're a basketball guy, 287 00:13:30.519 --> 00:13:32.679 so you can tell me how this works? Like, how 288 00:13:32.759 --> 00:13:34.919 is Uta State able to do this? And I know 289 00:13:34.960 --> 00:13:38.559 they're they're playing at a conference level that is way 290 00:13:38.600 --> 00:13:40.519 different compared to the Big twelve, which you can argue 291 00:13:40.600 --> 00:13:43.159 is the best in the country. But like Utuasa was 292 00:13:43.200 --> 00:13:44.919 doing this when Utah was in the PAC twelve too, 293 00:13:45.200 --> 00:13:46.799 and they were doing it when the Pac twelve wasn't 294 00:13:46.799 --> 00:13:49.279 that good. So how is it that it works at 295 00:13:49.360 --> 00:13:51.879 Uta State, which Craig had a direct hand in before. 296 00:13:51.960 --> 00:13:54.120 Yes he did, Yes he did, So how are they 297 00:13:54.159 --> 00:13:55.320 able to spin it forward? 298 00:13:55.679 --> 00:13:58.639 All due respect to our friends about forty miles down south, 299 00:13:59.200 --> 00:14:01.879 watching a college basketball game of the Spectrum, it's the 300 00:14:01.919 --> 00:14:04.080 best is second level. I mean, it's one of the 301 00:14:04.080 --> 00:14:07.600 best college basketball environments in the whole country. And I've 302 00:14:07.639 --> 00:14:10.240 been to a grip of college basketball menus, and I 303 00:14:10.279 --> 00:14:12.639 do think there's something there. If you're a high school kid, 304 00:14:13.200 --> 00:14:15.960 and let's say you're a top shelf high school recruit 305 00:14:16.399 --> 00:14:18.919 and you go down to Provo and watch a game 306 00:14:18.919 --> 00:14:20.960 of the Marriott Centaer, You're like, this is dope. It's 307 00:14:21.000 --> 00:14:22.039 rolled out the game. 308 00:14:22.039 --> 00:14:22.320 Ops. 309 00:14:22.320 --> 00:14:23.799 They do a good job. The kids are having a 310 00:14:23.840 --> 00:14:27.759 grand time, wide out smashing cougartails and milk and just 311 00:14:27.919 --> 00:14:30.919 enjoy life. And then you roll up to Salt Lake 312 00:14:30.919 --> 00:14:34.519 and you're like, oh, do people know that there's a 313 00:14:34.559 --> 00:14:36.960 game tonight? And then you go up to Logan You're like, 314 00:14:37.639 --> 00:14:38.279 this is awesome. 315 00:14:38.399 --> 00:14:41.200 Agreed, Yeah, it's true. I mean, like the spectrum will 316 00:14:41.200 --> 00:14:43.039 be full for like San Jose State and it's cool 317 00:14:43.120 --> 00:14:45.840 and it's cool. Yeah, I agree, Yeah, the ambiance matters. 318 00:14:46.360 --> 00:14:48.519 All right, We'll save our football for the next segment. 319 00:14:48.559 --> 00:14:51.559 And also our guy Joe Coles got the exclusive with 320 00:14:51.600 --> 00:14:53.600 Mark Carlin today. We'll save that from the next segment. 321 00:14:54.000 --> 00:14:55.799 Let's do it. We got a couple of minutes with 322 00:14:55.840 --> 00:14:58.399 this this segment. Let's do a little basketball, a little 323 00:14:58.399 --> 00:15:00.720 more basketball. And here's what I want to add, because 324 00:15:01.480 --> 00:15:04.679 you and our guy TJ. Tony Jones, a few years back, 325 00:15:04.759 --> 00:15:08.480 you did a really good piece on Donovan, so you know, 326 00:15:08.679 --> 00:15:10.759 chattered with him. My guest has got to know him 327 00:15:10.759 --> 00:15:14.320 a little bit here or there. And tonight we've got 328 00:15:14.399 --> 00:15:18.000 the Calves and we've got Okac and it's the first 329 00:15:18.000 --> 00:15:20.000 time in NBA history that at this point of the 330 00:15:20.039 --> 00:15:22.159 season there are two teams on pace for more than 331 00:15:22.279 --> 00:15:25.600 seventy wins. The Calves are thirty one and four, Okase 332 00:15:25.799 --> 00:15:29.200 is thirty and five, and Donovan has started to figure 333 00:15:29.200 --> 00:15:31.679 it out. He started to figure out, like if you 334 00:15:31.679 --> 00:15:34.200 look at his numbers, they don't jump out. They're the 335 00:15:34.240 --> 00:15:37.240 same as they were here, but he's not taken as 336 00:15:37.279 --> 00:15:40.360 many shots. He's admitted this year that he's tried to 337 00:15:40.399 --> 00:15:43.200 play defense, and all of us in Salak are like, thanks, dude, 338 00:15:43.279 --> 00:15:47.000 all right, glad you're trying to play defense now. I 339 00:15:47.080 --> 00:15:49.279 still think Boston's the best team in the East, and 340 00:15:49.320 --> 00:15:51.320 I don't know that Cleveland can beat them four times 341 00:15:51.320 --> 00:15:54.080 in seven tries, but it's undeniable that what they're doing 342 00:15:54.159 --> 00:15:58.320 is real coaching, change, different system, and Donovan is really 343 00:15:58.399 --> 00:16:00.320 starting to evolve where I think he is going to 344 00:16:00.320 --> 00:16:03.519 have a no questions answer comes spring, right, but I 345 00:16:03.519 --> 00:16:05.960 think he's gonna answer them. I don't think they can 346 00:16:06.000 --> 00:16:08.840 win it, but in pro basketball, there's a saying, if 347 00:16:08.840 --> 00:16:11.720 you got a shy, you've done a good job. I 348 00:16:11.840 --> 00:16:14.919 was never on board to believe that, and Quinn was 349 00:16:14.919 --> 00:16:17.720 here last night, and I never thought that group was 350 00:16:17.759 --> 00:16:20.360 going to win an NBA championship. But there were a 351 00:16:20.399 --> 00:16:22.639 couple of postseasons where I thought they've got a shot. 352 00:16:24.039 --> 00:16:28.879 So as we sit here watching Donovan potentially evolve into 353 00:16:28.879 --> 00:16:31.200 the space as a first team All NBA guy for 354 00:16:31.279 --> 00:16:33.200 one of the best teams in pro basketball, and maybe 355 00:16:33.200 --> 00:16:37.799 they go and win something special this year, I still maintain, 356 00:16:38.000 --> 00:16:41.159 I'll always maintain that there was meat left on that 357 00:16:41.240 --> 00:16:44.840 bone when this front office decided to trade everybody, And 358 00:16:44.919 --> 00:16:47.960 for the most part, all of the players have gone 359 00:16:48.000 --> 00:16:50.840 on to play well elsewhere. Royce O'Neill has had a 360 00:16:51.039 --> 00:16:54.919 much better stretch elsewhere. Paid our guy, Bucket O'Neil, one 361 00:16:54.960 --> 00:16:57.960 bucket O'Neill played well in Brooklyn, He's got a good 362 00:16:58.000 --> 00:17:03.759 role in Phoenix. Minivan solid role player in Philly. Yeah, 363 00:17:04.319 --> 00:17:06.359 Engles is just old now, but he went elsewhere and 364 00:17:06.400 --> 00:17:09.000 played well, and he just he can't walk anymore, but 365 00:17:09.039 --> 00:17:11.880 he's still on a rush. Well he does one time 366 00:17:11.920 --> 00:17:15.319 the other night. And Rudy's still Rudy. Like the front 367 00:17:15.359 --> 00:17:19.160 office made a calculated move to trade star players in 368 00:17:19.200 --> 00:17:21.799 their prime to start this rebuild that in three years 369 00:17:21.839 --> 00:17:25.079 has not bread anything very exciting. Just I wanted your 370 00:17:25.079 --> 00:17:25.599 thoughts on that. 371 00:17:26.640 --> 00:17:30.880 I don't think it's I don't think it's hyperbolic to 372 00:17:30.920 --> 00:17:33.839 just say that the team didn't gel, they didn't like 373 00:17:33.920 --> 00:17:36.720 each other, like they played well together. And it's I'm 374 00:17:36.720 --> 00:17:39.759 not saying every team that you know me, I'm with you. 375 00:17:39.920 --> 00:17:41.559 I'm a results over a vibes. 376 00:17:41.319 --> 00:17:43.400 Guy, John Paul hope you're listening. 377 00:17:44.079 --> 00:17:49.799 But like there they came to the end of road spins, 378 00:17:49.880 --> 00:17:51.880 Like I just don't really think there's really any other 379 00:17:51.920 --> 00:17:54.200 way to put it, because Quinn left before they traded 380 00:17:54.240 --> 00:17:56.720 those guys wrong, wrong, Okay, Yes. 381 00:17:56.640 --> 00:17:58.720 And that's what I'll always wonder. 382 00:17:58.839 --> 00:18:00.759 See, I got my timeline, yeah, and. 383 00:18:00.720 --> 00:18:03.720 I'll always wonder. Now I'll have to look at the 384 00:18:03.759 --> 00:18:07.440 exact timing they may have started, if Rudy was first correct, 385 00:18:07.720 --> 00:18:09.640 and they may have alluded to like, hey, we're going 386 00:18:09.720 --> 00:18:11.240 to break this down and Quinn, we want you to 387 00:18:11.319 --> 00:18:14.440 lead this next rebuild. So I'm not completely dismissing your point, 388 00:18:14.480 --> 00:18:17.920 because as soon as Quinn decided that he did not 389 00:18:18.039 --> 00:18:20.240 want to work for this ownership group for whatever reason, 390 00:18:20.400 --> 00:18:22.720 maybe at some point he will say out loud what 391 00:18:22.720 --> 00:18:26.400 it is. I've got guesses. And when Dennis Lindsay had 392 00:18:26.400 --> 00:18:28.720 a meeting with the new ownership group and he's like nope, 393 00:18:29.200 --> 00:18:31.039 I viewed that as a really bad sign because I 394 00:18:31.039 --> 00:18:32.799 have a lot of respect for both of those two 395 00:18:33.240 --> 00:18:36.480 and this is revisionist history for sure. But you know, 396 00:18:36.599 --> 00:18:39.680 I even believe like you trade Mitchell, you bring in 397 00:18:39.759 --> 00:18:42.240 market In, you put market In next to Gobert, you 398 00:18:42.319 --> 00:18:45.079 keep Conley and Royce and Yang and all those guys. 399 00:18:45.160 --> 00:18:46.480 But you're still in the middle. Man. 400 00:18:47.359 --> 00:18:50.599 But could you have found your like if if Larry 401 00:18:50.839 --> 00:18:52.720