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Now let's dive in to today's episode. So before we
get started with today's episode, I wanted to let you
know what happened again in this studio. We welcome back
Guru Nath or Yogi Raj as he's known as well.
And the energy that I felt in this room, I
was brought to tears again a couple of times. Some
of the insights that he shared with me in turn
with you, we're so profound, so simple, so beautiful, so
moving that it really shifted me.
Speaker 2: It really changed me.
Speaker 1: And if you wait till the very end of this conversation,
Grunaf gives you a blessing, a transmission that when I
was receiving it here, it just was just waves of
energy as he gave this meditation and this blessing to
all of us. It is something that I'm still kind
of He literally just left five minutes ago, so I
just wanted to come in here while it was still
fresh in my mind. I'm still kind of taking it in.
I'm still kind of on a high from this, come
from this, not only from this conversation, but from this blessing.
So I hope you enjoy this. When you're watching this,
just sit back and let it kind of wash over
you as he speaks, as he transmits his energy. Let
it just wash over you as I did while I
was in the room with him. So enjoy I'd like
to welcome back to the show returning champion, Yo Girash.
Speaker 2: How you doing, Yogi Rash fine?
Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you so much for coming back. Our
last conversation or transmission that we had went viral. People
went crazy. They loved our conversation, they loved your energy,
they loved what your message was to the world. And
I had to.
Speaker 2: Have you back.
Speaker 1: You know, I had to have you back. It was
It's always a lovely it's always lovely to have deep, deep,
deep conversations that help people around the world.
Speaker 2: So I appreciate you coming back.
Speaker 3: That's true. But I was not doing anything. I was myself. Yes,
I was standing still in myself. That must to give
him the transmission.
Speaker 1: Hey, it worked, I guess they liked it.
Speaker 2: So we'll see if we can.
Speaker 1: Let's see if we can Let's see, let's see what happens,
See what happens in this conversation. So my first question
to you, Yogiraj, is what does earth Peace through self
Peace mean? Because so many people are worried about saving
the world and saving and changing the world and helping
people around the world doing you know, there's a lot
of difficult things happening around the world. But this concept
of Earth peace through self peace, can you explain.
Speaker 3: That, Yes, these meditation transmissions are done every full moon.
Today happens to be the full moon, and I believe
there's a lunar eclipse also. Anyway, all said and done,
I give it the name Earth Peace through Self Peace.
And I developed a technique whereby you could radiate love
and peace to the world at large, transporting yourself to
the Moon and radiating silver swans to the Earth for peace,
and then transiting to become the Sun. You yourself become
the Sun and then radiate the missiles of eight point
seven billiont swans through the Sun. So the silver swans
and the golden swans of the Sun and Moon comprise
the Earth piece meditations. Now, why I called it earth
Peace through Self Peace is what I wanted to tell
people that they cannot be earth peace without self peace. First,
you must be full of peace and overflow with that peace.
And when you overflow, you glow and you give to
the whole of humanity. If each human being is saturated
with love, he can give earth peace to others more
effectively than when he himself is wanting. So you must first.
That's why I've had a first meditation of the Golden
Lotus in which you create self peace today in my
earth piece, they always they show it. And when you
have self peace, then you go on to radiate earthpiece.
If your bank balance is empty, you cannot donate to others.
It's as simple as that. If you're full of peace
and love, then only you can give it to others.
Speaker 1: And that's the thing that so many people want to
help others and wants to give others. But it's kind
of like you have to take care of your own house, yes,
before you, you know, go out and start giving in
many ways. And this ability to be enlightened within yourself,
having peace within yourself, having love, having light within yourself,
just by doing that act alone will change the world
because you become an example and people start to fuel
your energy as you walk through life.
Speaker 3: Is that true? That is very true. But in this
case I thought that we should multiply it and that
tens of thousands and even millions of people should practice
this earth peace meditation. The logic is this that if
one man thinks a good thought, that thought will ripple
across the mind's lake of the collective consciousness and mind
of humanity. So one thought has a ripple effect for
the good or for the bad. If they think bad,
then how much more effective it would be for tens
of thousands of people and millions of people with one
intent meditating and making the sound of the peace and
love radiatating it to the earth. It will bring about
earth peace, not of what extent it will bring it about.
This is a new thing and you have to you
are you are going into hatred and malice and terrorism
with peace and love and resolve for good. So these
two forces, when they interact, what the result will be
will be. You see, our job is to do the
best that in these times of trial, tribulation, terrorism and
world warlike situations. We have to improvise, or we have
to develop this technique which I have developed called Earth
peace through self pie, which we are doing today now
as I speak, there are thousands of people all over
all over the world who are practicing this earth peace meditation.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you with Yogi's and gurus, the Buddha himself,
all of them, they all spoke about enlightenment. And that
is a term that has been thrown around very much, so,
especially over the last fifty or sixty years here in
the West. And what is your definition of enlightenment And
can you also discuss what enlightenment is in your eyes
in the sense that so many people feel that once
you're enlightened, it's over. The game is over, it's done.
I'm enlightened now, I'm like the Buddha, I'm like the Christ.
I'm good. I don't have to do anything else now
I'm now enlightened, and I walk around in pure bliss
all the time. But you are someone who found self
realization early.
Speaker 2: In your life, and.
Speaker 1: Yet you have lived very among us in this world,
have a family, all these things. So can you kind
of talk a little bit about the balance and the
misconceptions of that word enlightenment. We'll be right back after
a word from our sponsor, And now back to the.
Speaker 3: Show humanity today, and the human being as such is
basically and fundamentally enlightened. You see, it's just like I say,
you put the hands of your mind upon the eyes
of your soul and cry that you cannot see. Take
the hands of your mind away from the eyes of
your soul and behold your own enlightenment. So the innate
essence of who you are, the reality who you are,
is enlightened, but it is covered by the mind. The
mind is composed of the chitta. The mind is called
the chita, and it is composed of the intellect, the ego,
and the ratu sinating mind the typist. So the intellect
is Buddhi. The ego is Amgar, that faculty in a
human being which is self arrogating and always gives the
Buddhi the intellect, the feeling of ownership. This is mine,
this is yours, so yours and mind and the manners
is the lower mind, which takes directions from both the
intellect and the ego. That is the intellect Buddhi and
the ego the mannus, which is the lower mind. It's
like a stenographer. It just types and keeps the art.
Akashik records. Now when you you are in a state
of mind, your state of mind that I'll make a
long story shot. Freedom from mind is enlightenment. Now what
remains after mind goes because when the mind is composed
of the intellect or intuition, high intellect. Below that comes
the ego, the arrogating principle or the principle says that
I am great, this is mine, this belongs to me,
This is my studio, this is my house. And the
third factor is the stenographer. The third factor is the
one who has no decision making but just takes down
the impressions, which is the intellect, the ego, and the
lower mind. The higher mind is the intellect. The lower
mind is called the lower mind. It has passions and emotions. Also,
the higher mind is intuition and creating stuff, discovering new things.
But in between them is sandwich, the ego, the arrogating principle,
which makes you think that you are the duer. But
behind all this the buddhi amkar and manas, which is
the intuition, the ego, and the lower mind. Behind this
there is an all pervading consciousness which never changes. It's
always there. It is the ego that thinks makes the
intellect think that I am enlightened. Now I am in bondage.
They enlightened. All which you may call God or you
may call the reality is always and perpetually present the moment,
the drama of the chitta, which is the collective mind
of intuition, ego and lower mind. This forms the collective
mind which we call chitta. The chitta also is composed
of Buddhi amkar, the ego, and manas the dower mind.
This is playing the whole game and the drama and
making you think that I am in bondage and I
am free. Now let me give you the example that
you are the sun in the sky. That is the arthma.
There's no word for arthma, and the English language they
call it the soul. But it's a very limited and
misleading word. It should be called the eternal awareness, or
it should be called, for lack of a better word,
and what word to use, the easiness of the zero
not zero anyway, let's not get into those details. I
would say that this is like the sun. A simple example.
I'll give you who is your true self? The sun?
Who is the mind? The ocean? Now the sun casts
its reflection in the ocean, the waves of the ocean mind.
The oceanic mind has the reflection of the sun. Thee
that is, the intellect, feels that it is the reflection
of the sun. It mistakes the reflection of the sun
to be the sun itself. Where the Sun was always enlightened,
ever enlightened, it was never ignorant. But the cloud of
ego which influences your intuition, makes you feel that you
are God, that you are in ignorant, and you are
the celestial awareness. You are not the eternal immortal awareness.
You are you are not affected. But the waves the
ego creates the waves of ownership and makes the intellect,
intuition feel that it is in bondage. It is the
soul in bondage. The sun is in bondage. Now, as
long as there are ripples of thoughts in your mind's lake,
you cannot see the moon of your delight. You cannot
even see the reflection of the sun, nor the actual sun,
because you're so involved in the waves. Those are the
waves of thought which create a disturbance in the mind
to make you feel that you are in bondage or
you are free. But who is in bondage, not the sun,
not the arthma or the soul. It is the reflection
of the sun which is in bondage, which the ego
deludes the intuition into thinking that the Buddhi or the
intuition the intellect is in bondage. Then who is free
and who is in bondage? The freedom is got when
the ego subsides the ripples of the mind's lake, there
is freedom from mind. Then you see the enlightenment of
the sun reflection without any waves do distortion. After you
see it's not distortion you look above. So this is
the penultimate stage sabikal Samadi looking at the still image
in the ocean. But the nivikal samao enlightenment is when
you look up from the mirror to the actual sun.
Then you know that it was not you who was
in bondage or enlightenment. It was only the reflection, but
the real sun. The real Sun is high above in
the sky. And as soon as you the intuition, the
ego and the manus look at the Sun, that very
intuition or Buddhi or intellect is enlightened. So the intellect
is in bondage and the intellect is enlightened due to
the delusion of the ego, which causes the ripples of
lakes in the mind's lake. The moment you take the
hands of the eye the ego away, the more my
eye doth disappear, the more the self is God appears.
So as it appears, gradually disappears through purification of the mind.
I've given you a certain example. But there's a system
called yo. The yolk. Sathana helps to purify the mind
the electrons, protons, and neutrons of which the mind is made.
So the cosmic mind is the creator of the delusion
with the ego, who is the mischief maker. And so
the more humble you be like they teach you to
be humble and simple in your sadana. They teach you
to practice every day. It's to train your mind to
get to such a refined state that you transcend the gunners.
The gunners are the luminosity of the electron, the activity
of the proton. Now, the luminosity of the the electron is,
the activity of the proton is rajagun, and the inertia
of the neutron is thamogun. So these three gunners make
up the mind, nature or prakruti or the cosmic mind.
The sweet nurse of nature is made up of electron,
protons and neutrons. Will be right.
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Speaker 3: So this is what constitutes nature, which we call prakruti,
which we also call the cosmic mind, as long as
the cosmic mind which is ensconced in each individual as
the individual mind. You see like there's a big bucket,
but you take off each drop, each mind from that
cosmic bucket. Each mind has the reflection of the sun.
So also each one of us individually has the cosmic
mind reflected in the sun. So that drop of water
thinks that I am the Sun. I've absorbed the whole Sun,
and I'm enlightened. No, this all has to subside. The
drop has to merge in the ocean, and the ocean's
mids thoughts have to be still. Then you see the
reflection of Saba other U sees. You see God through
the crystal mirror of the mind. Which is the penultimate,
not the final stage of enlightenment. It is the stage
before enlightenment where the prakruti laya purush, the cosmic being.
He feels that he is the whole of creation and
the whole of nature. If you see these great saints
like Francis of Assisi and Nietzsche, they all had the
suppiculp state, but they couldn't get to the nib culp.
They couldn't get rid of the cosmic ego. They got
rid of the individual ego. So when the whole thought
processes in the individual is is thing than he is individually,
he's individually enlightened, enlightened, self realized. When the cosmic ego
of the whole ocean of creation is done, then he's
God realized. So when he's when he's individually realized, self realized,
he's realized only in his body and the self. He
is still in a perfect state of mind, still mind.
But when he breaks the mirror of the mind itself
and the reflection goes, then he is God realized. He
goes to the final state beyond ego and I.
Speaker 1: So these masters, like these saints, like Saint Francis of
Assisi and Nietzsche and many others, they were self realized masters, yes,
but they weren't God realized.
Speaker 3: This is what I'm saying from my own experience, my
own vision and this is what I feel. This is mine.
Others are free to have a view, but I'm talking
through experience. I'm not talking through books.
Speaker 2: Right exactly.
Speaker 1: So, then Buddha and Christ were God realized. Yes, that's
the difference, Yes, Babaji obviously.
Speaker 3: Yes, this topic I believe was to come up after
the topic we have finished. Then this topic about the
various saints and their states were supposed to come up.
But it's coming up.
Speaker 2: It's coming up naturally.
Speaker 1: So Yoga Nanda was God realized.
Speaker 3: Yes, Yogananda was a was a beautiful example to show
how he went under the tutelage of his god realized master,
the self realized Paramansa Yogananda translated to the god realized state.
Speaker 2: Interesting.
Speaker 3: When you were saying it is Mahasabadi.
Speaker 1: Yes, And when you were saying everything in regards the
example of the ocean and the mirror and the reflection
and all of that, the thing that popping into my
head was Plato's allegory.
Speaker 2: Of the cave.
Speaker 3: Okay, are you familiar with the Plato's alley? No, tell
me what it so.
Speaker 1: The plato allegory of the cave is essentially, there are
people who are tied in a cave looking at a wall,
and in the wall behind him there's the door to
the outside. They don't know the outside exists. The only
their only reality is what's on the wall. The light
from outside is casting shadows. Those shadows that are playing
on the wall are their reality. They don't know anything different.
One of them escapes and gets outside and sees the
beauty of outside reality. The real reality comes back in
and says, hey, this isn't real. This is what's real
out there, and they're like, you're crazy. This is our
reality and that's all. And they didn't they didn't even
want to look behind them.
Speaker 3: That's the allegory.
Speaker 1: So it was the casting of the sun and the
light and the shadows as a reflection.
Speaker 3: This is the similar This is the difficulty you're going
to have with many people to make them break away
from that duality and do the reality. There's another beautiful
example of when you go to see a cinema. On
the cinema screen, yes, two things are cast. Light and color.
Absolutely now, light and color they are different, but when
they go onto the screen, they are mixed, and you
feel that the screen what projected under the screen. It's alive,
is alive with the sound, live is out. But at
the screen, at the theater, it's difficult, it's different altogether.
The light, the color, the light has to be separated
from these two. They none of them can operate without
the light. So also nothing can operate without the reality.
The duality does not exist without the reality.
Speaker 1: And now you're entering my world, which is the movie world,
which is where I come from. And one of my
favorite quotes from Yogananda is that we get all caught
up with the show of a movie, and there's death
and violence and love and every aspect, every spectrum of
human experience is on the screen. We're so focused on
the screen. What we need to do is turn around
and see where the light is coming from. Where is
the projector the light of the projector coming from, which
is similar to what you're saying, the light.
Speaker 3: Well, the Alis says, be careful of even that, because
we are in a screen, behind a screen, behind a screen.
So this is the dream within a dream, within a dream.
Then you turn around, Yes, when you turn around, first
you see a relative reality, but not the ultimate reality.
And then when again you turn around from that, then
you see the real reality. So this is. This is
like the first stage of samadi, which is the samadi.
Then there's the Saba Samadhi, the dream with the subtler dream,
but still a dream. And then there's the Ni Samadi,
which is the final And who knows behind that there
may be another dream.
Speaker 1: And another and another and another.
Speaker 3: That that is not there. Because the people realize and
the reality itself speaks, you know that is there, but
it it is warned in the yog Wishisht. They have
said this the dream within the dream.
Speaker 1: I have to ask you what is People ask me
all the time, what is the point of this, all
of this? What is the point of incarnating, coming down
to earth, struggling, succeeding highs lows duality? What is the
purpose of it all? From your point of view?
Speaker 3: My answer to them is, you haven't even entered intogarten
and you're asking cosmic questions. Let me ask you a
counter question. What is not the point of all this?
What is not the point of all this? It is
so glorious, it is so wonderful with all its life.
It's livingness, it's suffering, it's joyous, it's sorrow, and this
is God's Leelah this is God's play. I don't say God,
I say the play of reality. And it's been happening
through millions and billions of years. And some little, pindly
little sparrow pipes up and puts his hand up and says,
what is the purpose of all this? My answers, meditate
and find out for yourself.
Speaker 1: So when you say meditane and find out for yourself,
can you dig in?
Speaker 3: This is the first part. What is not the point?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 3: The second I do explain what the point is the
second X part of the explanation. The point of creation
is first that it is a perpetual and ceaseless process,
ongoing and everlasting. To narrow it down further, that the soul,
which here is the Buddhi or the intellect, with its ego,
it enters into the descending arc of creation to learn
its lessons in the university of life. And unless the
ego is battered and hammered, it will not learn its
lesson because, ultimately, mind you, the ego, along with the intuition,
transformed into the reality. That's why I've called my techniques
the alchemy of total transformation. Like in Italy. They all
they tell me Gurunata teach us the alchemy of total
terrans ermitsie. So I like the way they say it,
as ad first learn the kindergarten thing. The first thing
your your arsons Brana, I am disciplines. So the University
of Life has to teach these egos who are in
prakuruti in nature. So these egos with the intellect ego
and their stenographer, they are strutting about thinking that they
own the world. You see, many people are there. They
are narcissists.
Speaker 2: There a few of those.
Speaker 3: They think they think that there's nothing beyond them. But
they're not bad. Is just the stage of evolution. The wrists,
they are not bad. It's a stage of evolution.
Speaker 2: You see.
Speaker 3: They are people with animal appetites. Now, all these different
stages of evolution have to be knocked and hammered in
with tongue and hammer and little tin. Work has to
be done at the Great Noah's Ark before it sails
out with every pair of degree of human souls. You know,
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Speaker 3: Who are at the at the at the level of
the groundhog, at the level of the of the the zebra.
At the level of the giraffe, at the level of
the elephant, all of them have these traits emotionally psychologically.
At the level of the bull, some people are bullheaded,
they won't read. At the level of the ram. Two
rams on a bridge, hammering their heads away. You see
all this. So this is the ego with all its
animal traits. This has to be refined. There's an arc
in a cycle of the evolution of human consciousness human mind.
Here it's a descending arc where it travels through the
life and the universities of life and all its grace
and gets more and more material It likes materialism. It
likes wine, women and laughter, sermons and soda. Water. The
day after and as it gets its experiences, it is
surfeited and satisfied. It's had its ferraris, it sowed its
wild oats, It's had its most beautiful woman. He has
been a billionaire. And after that they decide to.
Speaker 2: Do good work.
Speaker 3: Then they want the ascending arc, the same soul. The
purpose of all this is learning the lesson in the
university of life than he leaves. Then he starts meditating,
he starts contemplating, and starts listening. To devotional songs, starts
going to meditation centers more often because his desire is
to awake. He has to awaken what he does not
know as yet, till he later knows that he has
to awaken himself. When people look for God and they say,
there's enlightenment somewhere, I've made a small poem, and it
is if you try to evaluate your mind or rationalize
your mind, and try to fit God into your little
rational mind, then there will be havoc. Do not try that.
Do not try that, Just surrender. I have made a
poem that you will go topsy turvy. If you try
to comprehend that which is beyond mind in your mind,
that which is in finite in your finite mind, then
what will happen to you? They will be chaos. For
hear your feet upon your head, your head is humbled
to the flaw. The are filled mystery. You yourself ask
no more. I will repeat for you, please, for if
you try to analyze God, be you'll go topsy turvy.
For hear your feet upon your head, your head is
humbled to the floor. The are filed mystery, You yourself
ask no more. And if you want to know, you yourself,
do the necessary means of yoga practice the necessary means
to achieve the necessary end.
Speaker 1: You were mentioning about materialism and the ego grabbing, aren't
the things We all, all of us have the knowledge
that we're going to die. We know that this is limited.
Speaker 3: Well, I wouldn't call it knowledge. I would call it
information information, because knowledge only comes after you've had the
experience those who have had the experience of after I
did experience like I've had many times. Otherwise, besides, somebody
also you go to the body, there's something superior to
the body, then that it would be knowledge. But here'say,
and book is reading would be information.
Speaker 1: So information. So we all have the information that we
are going to eventually pass, that this is a finite
time that we're here. And yet the world has held
onto the material so much, fighting for land, fighting for riches,
fighting for the physical world and women and all this
kind of stuff, and yet it doesn't seem like it
makes no sense. It's almost ridiculous someone who says, I
own this land, you're renting them. You're only here for
a cirtama. So why do you believe that humanity has
been so obsessed with the material for.
Speaker 3: So long, But what else are they going to do.
It's the best thing that they can do at their
particular stage of evolution. I've seen people, I mean, if
you see there are big funds, and they are big
people who give away vast donations. I believe that that
Bill Gates has made foundations for charitable institutes. There are
big charitable institutes in the world which are giving away
food and help aid to people all over the world.
And alongside they are parallel to them, are running cartails
of corruption, okay, and they're making sort of things like
fentanyl and all that which will be very harmful and
could kill society. So that that is their level of evolution.
This is their level, believe you evolution. So there seems
to be quite a variety of peoples and souls on
this earth. These these varieties of souls, if you call it,
the minds, the ego minds, egoic minds. So which is
the development of the state of ego and true education,
I believe is not in bookish things. It is to
educate the ego in humility, so that those people who
are humble will not try to grab excess wealth or
might not try to give people equal wealth, which is
also wrong because they are not worthy of it intellectually.
They must strive to give people an equitable amount of wealth,
each one according to his own merits. So this is
what our society should be, whether they be egalitarian societies
or democracies or dictatorship. If the ruler is just like
in ancient times they had there were some lord ram
and Krishnovs, ancient rulers Marcus. Yes, yes, that they were
very just rulers, very just rulers. So this is the
whole game of life. And as the soul learns its
lessons in the university of life, as the mind, the
cosmic mind I call it, he evolves and ultimately it
transforms himself into that reality. He merges into the subtle
aspects of mind. He becomes from the particle electron to
the wave of light and then becomes enlightened light. So
this is the way. The other thing is there that
the reality which is reflecting it's light on the whole
of creation is animating creation. And if creation is not animated,
all this world would be a dead soup and dead
mass of unanimated matter which would lie waste. This whole
of creation would lie waste, and in order to animate it.
The great reality looks upon creation and animates creation. He
is called the drishta, the process of looking. He is
the witness, the cosmic witness, the drishta, the process of
looking is drishti. And during this process srishti, or creation
is made. So there's the drishta, the drishti, and the Srishti.
The Drishta is the cosmic onlooker. He does nothing, but
just by his looking, the process of his seeing, creation
is made. And in that these electrons turns light, matter, energy,
All is created, and creation is created by his mere looking,
his mere being. So the very existence of reality fuels
the existence of creation. And then if there were to
be no reality, he would turn his face away, then
all this would be dead matter.
Speaker 1: It's interesting you're when you're saying that the one thing.
Speaker 3: That pop but it's all one it is.
Speaker 1: But the one thing that popped into my head was this.
You've heard of the double split, double slit experiment. In
quantum physics, wave particle duality. Exactly when there is an
when there's someone watching, the intention, the just the awareness,
the consciousness, the particles change.
Speaker 3: Because look, there was a quantum scientist called Fon Neumann.
I don't know whether they've heard of fan Noman. Now
Neumann conducted an experiment. I don't know how he could
conduct that. It does not seem to me to be possible.
But they say that he conducted and he looked through
the telescope. He looked blank into space, into blank.
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Speaker 3: And suddenly an atom appeared, an obstacle appeared. So he
said he went to the Royal Academy of this thing,
knowing that he would be kicked out at the very start.
So he said, look, I would like to say something
that when I conducted this experiment, I looked through the
blankly at space. I'm not remembering whether you look look
through the electron microscope or whether you look through a telescope,
or whether you just look blank. He must be looking
through a telescope or this thing. There was nothing, and
then this particle suddenly appeared. So he said, I'm sorry.
May some of you may not. It may not be
in keeping with your mindset. But here's my question. If
there is an infinitely larger being than us, they call
him God, if he just looked at creation. Couldn't creation
come into being? When I looked an atom came into
being in the last they said, oh, you're talking nonsense.
And this is they say. And they said, no, you
don't come with all this stuff. We will reject it
at the output, you know, like a judge. It doesn't
stand the table suite. But he said that this idea
I got from the ancient rashies and in their texts
like the yog Wa Shisht and the Mahartamanjari and the
Pinnderbrammand of Gorukh Shashiv gork Shababaji and the Patanjal Yoga sutras.
In these texts it is mentioned that there is a drishta,
drishti and srishti, there is a seer the process of
seeing and creation. So the seer by merely seeing it
is mentioned in all the textbook. That's what I just
told you before. For Neumann's experiment that by merely seeing
the process of seeing created creation.
Speaker 2: Mm hm.
Speaker 3: It has already happened, and that is how the beginning
of creation began. But there were many such seeings and
many such cycles. Because after the whole cycle we'll get
to that later it's a different thing. You know. There's
a Manmantha and a prelay Mahamanamantha and a Mahapralay.
Speaker 2: What are those?
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yes, yes, Maha Yuga and a Mahapralay. So
it's the awakening of God and his sleeping, the awakening
of creation and going into deep sleep of the reality.
So reality and creation alternate. They both originate from reality.
But he wants to be many, so by merely seeing
by his Drishti, he creates creation. It is a fact,
and that's why I give you von Neumann's example, the
very nice example.
Speaker 1: Very much so, very much so are we are we
sparks of the divine? It's our soul or altma sparks
of the divine? I asked this question very specifically because
so many of us, so many humans, always are looking
at a middleman to talk to God, or they don't
believe that they have the strength of the power to
do anything in their own life. They have to have
something outside of them. But the true power, from my
understanding and my experience, lies within. So I would love
to have your experience or your explanation of is are
all of us sparks of the divine spark of that
greater consciousness.
Speaker 3: We are not merely sparks of the greater consciousness, but
we are the divine. Only the mud of the mind
has come in the way to the truth of who
we actually are. You see, we are already the water.
They're given an example in this thing that, like water
flows in a field, it is dammed up by the mind.
The mud of the mind covers the splendor of the soul.
The mud of the mind covers the splendor of the
super mind, the intuition, their all mind, you see, their
all mind, the intuitive mind. Then at a grosser level,
the ego mind. Then at a grocer level, the intuitive God,
I should say, as mind. Then there is the ego
god as a humkar. Then there's the mental god as
emotions and passions. Is God in the passion too? Without him,
there can be no passion. You see everything, Then it
grows grosser and grosser. Like even if you take the
elements hydrogen, helium, hydrogen, helium, oxygen, water age duo. Then
from water comes dampness, condensation eyes. Then there comes damps
that through the damp water, the earth is created, and
the mud is created, so light itself is matter at
its subtlest, or God is at its subtlest and matter
at its crossest. Do you mean to say, gurunat that
matter is God? Yes, I do, sir, course, then what
is it that gets enlightened? Is it the soul that
gets enlightened? No, you are already enlightened. But you are
a grossive form of enlightenment. Through permutation, combination, and through
eons of billions of trillions of years, you evolved from
the earth to the water, water to the fire, fire
to air, etheric radiance, from radiance to pran, that is
the living light, from pran to divine mind, from divine
mind to divine consciousness. And then there is the merger
of the divine consciousness, the enlightened light, with he about
whom not may be said. This is the gradation of
the alchemy. If you may permit me off, please do
tarlet transfermits. This is the beauty of it.
Speaker 1: I mean what you just said, Gruna is I mean.
I'm almost tearing up a little bit because of the
energy of what the realization I just came. I've never
felt this realization before. I've spoken to hundreds and hundreds
of spiritual people across years now But the simplicity of
something that you said hit me like a ton of
bricks right now, which was this that we already are enlightened.
We just need to get rid of the mud of
the mind, all this other crap that's on top of
us that we pick up the second we're born, from
our families, our friends, our society.
Speaker 2: If you start to pull.
Speaker 1: That away, you allow the enlightenment to come out.
Speaker 3: The truth, allow ourselves to come out.
Speaker 1: Exactly, the truth to come out as opposed to the
mistruths or the misunderstandings that are on top of us,
all this mud. I've never thought of it that way.
I never thought about it as we already are enlightened.
We just got a lot of coats on. We got
to pull these coats off. We gotta take the hats off.
You got it, and kind of shred shed all of
this stuff. I have never thought of it that way before,
because people when they think of enlightenment or self realization
in many ways, specifically enlightenment, it's something outside of them
that they discover, Like the Buddha found enlightenment with under
under the under the Buddha tree and the band entry
he found it. But all he did, was uncovered, is uncovered, uncovered.
Speaker 2: It the beauty.
Speaker 1: And if you think about Christ, same thing, same thing,
it's it's just beautiful and so se no.
Speaker 3: Other guard besides you. There's no other guard besides you.
Then stiller than stillness itself. Yeah, in silence, I do
behold my rising innermost star. I dissolve in that mystery untold,
so near yet so far. This is the penultimate state
of realization. It's near and far. But when the nearer
and far of you, that is your ego, and the
star which is your intuition, become one, then you become
totally enlightened. There is no duality. When you become the singularity,
you are entitled. This is a poem which I've made.
You cannot with your mind because you're saying you're so
near yet so far, because you're still in the mind.
But that mind dissolves. There is no mirror of reflecting
God or Krishna, Ra or Christ or Zarathushtra. You've become them.
Speaker 1: And that is It is difficult for a lot of
people listening to believe what you just said in the sense.
Speaker 2: That you are God.
Speaker 3: You are God, and it's a.
Speaker 1: Simple concept, but Western especially Western civilization, has pounded in
US for so long that.
Speaker 3: They do not know why they have pounded it into
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Speaker 3: You see, they are half chiefs. They didn't practice the
full of yoga, so that's why they used to get
stuck along the way. The first complete system of God
realization was developed in Sanatan Armine in Baratwarsh.
Speaker 1: India, thousands and thousands of years ago.
Speaker 3: To say that I am God is a blasphemy. Yes,
this blasphemy was made a blasphemy because people on the
real path of the gnossis may not develop the very
ego will block your way. If you say I am God,
you can only be God. You cannot say your God
because the moment you say I, the ego comes in
and the ego is an obstacle to your realization as
your reality. So the eye has to be removed. But
the purpose they've had the eye was to teach you
a lesson to be humble and not say I. But ultimately,
when the eye itself disappears, you are just be just
be that you are. So the had become taboo because
they associated with the ego or the Ahumgar, and the
eye is the ownership principle. The moment the eye takes
birth in your heart, you want this, you want that,
you do ownership, you know. So to avoid all this
they prevented the eye. But ultimately there is no eye
in that. You don't say it's eye.
Speaker 1: Well, let me ask you, then, what is the concept
of I am?
Speaker 3: That?
Speaker 1: I am what God apparently said to Moses.
Speaker 3: That is the penultimate state of realization.
Speaker 1: Okay, So in that state it makes sense.
Speaker 3: In that state it makes sense because for God even
to speak or to act in any fashion with which
the human mind or soul can understand, he has to
take a form. And he took a form as the
burning bush. When he took a form in the burning bush,
he also had a voice. So the moment that's absolute perfection,
in which there's pure consciousness, no electron, protono neutron, there's
no raja, tabatama and sun. So the moment he disturbed
the pure consciousness and came into creation, into the divine mind,
he became limited to creation. And therefore the God of
Moses and of Abraham was isure and not Parameshwar. He
was God and not the Lord God because he had
to come down. Yes, because when you create a single
disturbance a spunda, they say, the first vibration in non
being was the spun created by God's process of vision Rishta.
Seeing this spun, you begin to come into nature and intuition.
So he about whom we know nothing cannot be discussed
nor known unless you become it or merge into it.
Speaker 2: Explain that.
Speaker 3: Please, those who tell it know it not. Those who
know it tell it not.
Speaker 2: Do do not say.
Speaker 3: No, It says, don't read the menu. Here's the food.
Eat the mango. But those who are eating the mango
cannot say that the mango is sweet or sour because
their mouth is already filled with the mango and they
are experiencing it to be sweet. They don't want to
tell others. They say, you experience it for yourself. That's
how God laid down the process of realization.
Speaker 1: God realization, you've been on this plane for quite some time.
You've seen humanity change of these years, especially the West,
especially the West, there is more people looking to awaken,
more people investigating, trying to seek out information. From my experience,
do you believe that humanity is making a shift, is
making this growth in consciousness that's opening up from your
point of view, or do we have eons to go?
Speaker 3: Well? I would divide the humanity into three sections, the physical,
the celestial, and the divine. So in the divine section,
the causal section, more people have made it, say sixty percent,
and in the celestial section thirty percent, the human human
section terrestrial section about ten percent. This is how I
see it. I'm open to correction now. But one thing
is there, even those people in the celestial realms of
Saint George, or in the divine realms of Michael and
carthe Ke, they also had to come down to Earth
and go through this rigmarole. Many of the gods and
planets have to tread the Earth. They've all tread the
Earth before us, and all have tread all the planets
of the Solar System in their circle and cycle of evolution.
And then they evolve slowly from planet to planet to
planet to planet, and then they go to the Sun,
then they go to the cosmic So these are stages
of evolution. The stars are merely the vehicles which are inhabited,
like informing spirits of Zoospeta, inhabiting Zoopeta of Saturn inhabiting
jave Yaw inhabiting Saturn, of Neptuneo inhabiting Neptune, of Apollo
inhabiting Uranus. So these are the various informing spirits which
inhabit these various planets.
Speaker 1: So you do believe that planets themselves have their own souls,
and that the universe, that the galaxies themselves have their
own soul, and so on and so on, Yes, so on.
Speaker 3: These are inhabiting beings who are grosser so that they
can have subtle and subtle bodies. But all of them
bundled into one, all of them are enlightened. Potentially in
the future they will all go to that state of
enlightenment from the very informing spirit of the Sun, who
already must be enlightened. You must be just sent there too,
out of compassion to work for creation. We are at
a lower rug. So we are also evolving in this
alchemy of total transformation. But the transformation is total. Neither
that ring will be prevented from becoming God, neither the
band you tie or the metallic substance. That will all
be progressing towards enlightenment, though it take eons of billions
and brillions of years, but it will all go into
the great void, He about whom we know nothing. Who
art thou? I know THEE not, and yet I am
of THEE. I cannot comprehend THEE. Lord, Thou Emperor of divinity.
So I take my ego aside, humble myself. I sit
in meditant silence of thy love, or in finite Make
me thy truth, Make me thy love, eternal Lord of.
Speaker 2: Light, Beautiful, beautiful.
Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you because there's I'm confused about this,
and I think you're the man to ask about this.
I heard when I was when I've been studying Yogananda,
he would talk about meditations and going into Samati. I
think it's called when you go into Samati in meditation.
He would go off to other realms, the astro realms,
the celestial realm. Can you explain what that is? What
is the celestial realm, the astro realm when you go
into or what happens when you go into samati? Where
are these other realms that we can travel to within
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Speaker 3: In a yo called Layo and other mystic schools in India,
they believe that the human being has seven chakras or
pronic lotuses. If he wants to go to those lotuses,
they are this, They are the different realms which are
in his body and which are also outside in the cosmos. Okay,
So in the Gayatri Manthro they have made a mention
of all the seven heavens. Bahama jam Satik is the
highest log that comes here. So these realms they correspond
to the realms outside. And when you go to that
particular realm cosmically, you have to weigh the body, the
physical body, the passional body, the emotional body you know,
and the the devotional body, the mental body, the intuitional body,
and the spiritual body which you have within yourself made
of matter. These bodies have you have to go into
to enter those realms. If you can't go in a
grosser body and enter settler realm, that's what they call
astral traveling. But all these states are relative states one
to another. They are relative states of enlightenment into a
vaster and vaster expression of your true divine nature. But
they are not the ultimate enlightenment only when you have
got rid of the cosmic mind. Freedom from mind is
mokshure chit. The Britain Eroda Ha Pathangelias said in the
Yogo Sutras that when you get rid of the chit,
there's not made the mind chit. There's all these things
your lower passional, emotional, devotional mind than their ego mind.
The mind the will to do, you know, the will
to conquer sure, the will for name and fame, the
will to become president. So the is the rajastic mind.
And then you conquer the Southwick mind. Sitting and meditating
long hours, trying to settle transform in scientific language, trying
to transform sabal into divulsamadhi, or to transform your electron
into the wave. The wave particle duality is the catchpoint
a maya. That is the great delusion. That's interesting, That
is the great delusion which science is at a losses
to say, Hey, is this world a particle or a wave?
Is it matter of spirit? We still don't know. They're
still struggling with this. They don't they don't admit it.
So for for them, they have not penetrated the core.
So as long as they penetrated the core, this wave
particle will remain like a what a Schrodinger's cat in
the room. The cat does exist, so it does exists,
but you cannot argue over it unless you open the
door and actually see for yourself. You have to see
for you for yourself.
Speaker 1: That is, yeah, sure his cat is pretty interesting.
Speaker 3: And that you'll see that the cat doesn't exist, but
it does exist. But unless you jump into that room
you to find out, then you yourself lose your mind
because you don't know whether you exist or not exist,
except in the larger awareness of the reality which people
call the Lord God. You see. I want to get
back to one point which I missed out, please, which
I need to tell you, which nobody will tell Gurunath,
how are you calling our God limited? And how are
you saying that this word a hear a share a year?
How do you pronounce it in jured in the Hebrew language,
the Yahudin language, A hear a share a year? Yeah,
I share a Yeah. It's something like this. I am
that I am. God does not need to say this,
He does not need to say any word because the
first word which happened with creation was according to the
Sanathan philosophy of the Vedas was the big explosion. It's
called the sport philosophy. Thousands of years later they came
with a big bang. But it's a rehash of the
first runt.
Speaker 1: A few of those things and a few things that
they've taken from the Vedic.
Speaker 3: From the No, I won't say they take it. They
took it.
Speaker 2: It may be inspired.
Speaker 3: No, they must have discovered it individually. Of course, I'm
not saying no. I'm saying the dateline there that we
have already come across this. Now when they the seer
the drishta, he is seeing, that is drishti, the process
of seeing. At that time, a very peculiar thing happens.
The Lord God creates creation, the first wave of enlightened light,
not light. Light is too slow. Enlightened light is everywhere
and nowhere. At the same time, it's not moving like light.
It's not liberty. Then the great void of the lightless
light and the spirit of the Lord, to make it simple,
is accompanying his lower nature, which is called prakrutio intuition,
and in that nature is formed. Nature is formed along
with God. So if she has the three gunnas, Tamuraja
and Satugunna. She has with it also the Lord God.
And when there's the perfect blend of God with nature,
that is not the Lord God. It is called God.
It is called Ishwar the supreme Ruler, for he is
with Prakuruti and he is ruling the whole creation with her.
But she is doing all the activity of manus. He
by his mere presence is supplying the fuel for creation
to carry on. That's why at that level when God
was merged with the Holy Spirit, because the Western people
have knocked out the feminine aspect. The macho male people
have knocked it out, which is not which is wrong,
so they're both. Theyre Shiva and Shakti. In India we
have a picture of half Shiva and half Shakti are
the Nareshwar. Now that is a very beauty full depiction
of Ishwar God or the Lord God. Or in Michelangelo's
Capella Sistina Cistine Chapel, they have God with his finger
and a man touching. So that is not the Lord God.
Because the Lord God is beyond human comprehension, beyond name
and beyond form. The moment there is name and form.
He is God, the God of our creation and it
is this God of our creation that says I am
that I am. So you have explained that the God
of creation, once he comes into creation, he, although aware,
abides by the laws of creation which he himself created,
maybe like electro electromagnetism or thermodynasism or gravity, you know,
or electrolysis or whatever whatever, these cosmic laws. So both
these informing spirits, which are potentially infinite, they limit themselves
for creation and work the whole creation out.
Speaker 1: So Grunath, the one of your favorite subjects is Baba g.
One of my favorite subjects to talk about on the
show is Baba G. And in we were If anyone
who doesn't know who Baba G is, they could look
at our other conversation.
Speaker 3: But he is.
Speaker 1: Basically the the the Yogi, the master of masters. He's
twenty five hundred years old, maybe longer older, uh, living
in the living in the Himalayas to this day, comes
and goes as he pleases into this incarnation, does and
goes out and is helping humanity throughout his time, throughout
all throughout of all history. That's my understanding of who
Baba G is. As does Baba G work on a
multi dimensional timeline simultaneously, like is he in multiple places at.
Speaker 2: The same time?
Speaker 1: Because right now, when I speak to near death experiencers,
I have a lot of people in the West, when
they die, they see Jesus or they see Buddha or
something like that. But Jesus can be everywhere at once.
But yes, he can be everywhere else once, because he's
everywhere at once on the other side, because on the
other side, you can project yourself a thousand billion places
at once. Can Babaji do the same in this timeline
in this place? Because we were talking earlier about God
coming down into creation or into materialism, and it changes
because he's now away from the ultimate version of himself.
Speaker 2: Does that make sense?
Speaker 3: You see, people when they're speaking about Barbajee, they have
given a very very limited picture of who baba Ji is. Okay,
according to my humble in depth experience, I think they're
giving a very relative and a very limited experience of
who Babaji is, especially in the h in the in
the in the time frame manner in which they are
talking about this being.
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Speaker 3: Mm hm. He is the very core of creation, okay,
But as he comes down through the septenary heavens to
lower and lower fields, this being limits himself. This being
accommodates himself to the limited understanding of man. You see,
each one knows barba Jee to the extent of his
personal realization of Barbaji, but nobody knows him in his
complete essence. There are two aspects. When we speak of
Barbaje in his unlimited divine sense and the others that
we speak of Barbajee in his limited sense, where he
came as the paraper group of permans Yogananda and the
supreme group of all the the initiates of the Korea
Yoak section, which is a very small fraction of who
Barbage really is. What would you like me to start with?
His how I would understand him to be, or how
the people are talking about which is very boring. I
like you version.
Speaker 1: I like your version better.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 3: So my version is that at the beginning of time,
before time, this non being essentiality who I call baba Jee, existed.
Why I have given this title is that although he
is the non being, he is still the essentiality of
all matter. Although he has nothing to do with matter,
he is the father of all matter. This is the
source from where he comes. That means the source in
plain and simple words is he does not come from
he sure of God. He comes from the Lord God.
And I've explained this process before that at the beginning
of time there was this fot theory as you can
call it, where creation began and the Dhrishta, the seer,
the Supreme, in the process of seeing, created Babaji as
the spirit, and Prakluthi with her quality that is nature,
the divine mind, cosmic mind, and cosmic consciousness came into
creation at the same time. Right, the cosmic matter was
composed of the three goners Raja, Tamasatwa, and the cosmic
consciousness remained consciousness side by side accompanying and animating a creation.
So that was the prush who was amen animating the Prakurti.
So the Parusha and a Prakriti are depicted as shiver
and Shakti. They are called ar the Narishwar. And in
this in my book Babaji the Lightning Standing Still, I
have said that Shiva is the lightning holder, the lightning wielder,
and the lightning molder all at once, as the lightning
as the lightning holder, he shiv goorak Shababaji as the
lightning molder. He shiv go uk Shababaji and Mataji which
is ar the narishwar Shiva and Shakti half Shiver and
half Shakti as the lightning wielder the molder, and the
third state is the lightning wielder where the Shiva aspect
becomes silent and only Shakti. She wields the whole of
creation with the three guns of Raja Tamasatwa and creates
the whole of creation with electrons, tones and neutrons, respectively.
And that is creation. This is where Barbaji's origin is.
He is, He is the easiness of the zero, not zero.
Speaker 1: I've read somewhere that Babaji her sister is that correct.
Speaker 3: Barbaji's sister is called Martha gi Okay and she is
none other but his own aspect, his dynamic aspect of
the potential, Barbiji of the Purush, the Prakuti aspect is Marthaji.
And they have come into this world. They have come
into this world to bring harmony, peace and the evolution
of the whole of creation back to its source and
specifically in the school of Yogavtar Larry Masa Gyanotarsuk Theeshar
and Praymautar Parmasyogananda. He is given this science by his
mere presence and Larim Marsaire's innovation and his his beseeching Babaji.
The science soul saving science, next level soul has come
to us by the grace of Yoga Lahirimasaya and ghana
Tha's ryuk Tisher, who is my isht Deevda with Gorukhaat.
And I was born on the tenth May, the same
day as Ghanatha's yu Tisher, And therefore there are certain
realizations I've had with him connected to Babaji. But Babaji
is Even in the autobiography, other people have said, do
not try to know who is Babaji. You cannot pierce
his transcendental star. Even Permans has mentioned this. You cannot
pierce his transcendental star.
Speaker 2: What do you mean by that?
Speaker 3: That is beyond mind and me. So it is very
difficult to tell you what I mean by that, And
I cannot make you know that because nobody has Persti
transcendental star. But however, barber Gi, he is called Barbajee
for namesake, whom I personally call Shiv Gorukh Shah Babajee.
And this is the Barbijee I have had vision of.
This is the Barbiege I associate with and merge with
by his grace, not mine, m h. And I have
written this book as an humble offering and his honor.
Barbijee the lightning standing still, So he is beyond light, causation,
space and time. Only when he stands still in light
can he take a form, and the form of Barbaji
come because light does matter at is subtlest with the
photon and the quark and the new trino. These are
subtle building blocks and he has to come down to
take this form in creation. That's why he gets his
name Babaji, Shiva Baba brembach Baba.
Speaker 1: So the stories that are in Autobiography of a Yogi
by Yogananda of him basically walking around the Himalayas as today,
still walking with a group of initiates that are with
him in students. He kind of just appears and disappears
and goes to wherever he wants to go and everything works.
Is that how you understand Barbaji as well.
Speaker 3: No, okay, I understand him very well at that level. Yes,
Paraman's yoganandad to give a very very simple, basic, basic
thing of Barbaji in those times because the force of
Christianity was a lot and he had to sort of
play to the understanding of the Christian people in the
Christian Church. Therefore he said, the christ like Yogi this thing.
But Babaji's a stature was way beyond anything we can imagine.
And you see, I have given an idea. This is
a very simple but correct idea of Babaji. You see,
he comes from the supreme unknown. But he is a Mahavatar.
So Ava through Avatru means dissent in diminishing order. Ava
thro descend in diminishing order, so that Babaji can accommodate
himself to the limited understanding of man. With that point
of view, Yogananda has made it simple for people to
understand that Barbaji is a physical body. He roams about.
He can disappear and appear at any time. He is
not bound by the laws of karma and nature. He
is beyond that. That much he's given and he roams
with his little band of advanced disciples upon this earth.
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Speaker 3: But there are other heavens and planes and planets where
he is also functioning, and other galaxies too, So.
Speaker 2: He's multi dimensional.
Speaker 3: But I multi dimensional is a is a very beggarly
word for what his majesty is very beggarly word. Because
we have a few coins of worn out words. We
are sure we are compelled to use those words, because
we're from a begging bowl of vocabulary. Paucity of words
we have. So therefore I have written, who are Now?
I know thee not words are so dry and dumb.
I cannot comprehend the Lord, the Emperor of divinity. But
however I gave an idea. Somebody asked me, what do
you think of barbi Gee? So people still, some of
them feel that I have not given these words, but
I've invited them to research. It's no big deal. If
it's if it's anywhere, I don't mind. But I'd said
this somewhere. Barbi Gee is the being who plays with causation,
space and time. M hmm, like a child plays with
soap bubbles. And if he were to smile. In his innocence,
he could shatter the world. This is my loving expression
of Barbaji. I don't want any limitation, I don't want
any linear thinking. I don't want anyone to hedge me
in with my ideas because I'm a poet. Let me feel,
feel me free, Let me feel free to fly the
azure sky of unlimited love and eternal no die. So
just to give you a taste of what he is.
He plays with causation. That means he is doing the
role of the supreme initiator on all the heavens, seven
heavens and earths, and also looking after the people in
the seven hells Rasatal palaa patal Tala tal rasatal you know,
all the seven hells, like the sevens. It is his
majesty because of whose presence that these hells our existence.
Otherwise even the damn hells would disappear. This is my
personal view of Barbigee and I keep it close to
my heart. And I have been deep, but this is
the shallowest. But if you cannot pierce his transcendental star.
And I'm telling you this, which is making the audience dizzy,
as to his majesty and what he is, then what
can be beyond his transcendental star? What state of the
easiness of the zero not zero, must Barbajee be. I'm
talking about the grand Venalia where the source of Barbiege is,
and I cannot talk about it because there are no
words all this. These words I'm using for him are
from the begging bowl of our vocabulary. There's a paucity
of words for what I have experienced, and that is
not the finale. So they said, then how does he
come down to earth? How is he? Every person meets seminole?
I said, even now, barbi Gee could be in the theater,
even now, you could experience him in your breath. But
each one, according to his own capacity, you are barba
Gee to the extent you know Barbajee. A little child
knows Barbajee as Santa Claus. Hmm, okay. Let's say another
child will come they say he's a very great, a
great saint, or he's Elijah or Christ. Another greats person
may come and say he's just beyond in the highest Samadhi.
It depends upon their degree of realization. So I'm seeing
everybody who gives a description of Babajee is correct. One
person says Babajie lives one kulp, he is one hundred
and twenty years You're right, Babaji is just seven hundred
years old. I mean, with all due respect to those people,
it makes me laugh, you know sure. And even the
descriptions that I have taken out of Barbijee from the
ancient scriptures, mind you, I call him Shiv Gorukh Shah
Babajee permans Yoganan was born in Gorukhpur Okay m hm
and his father Bagwati Charan ghost was a great devotee
of Gorukhian art. Therefore he called his first son Gora
the the Majada majilay Dada. The name of the book
is actually in Hindi we call it majalay Dada middle brother,
and the short for it is Majeeda Majlada. The younger
one was Yogananda. But Yoganantha was was found meditating deep
as in the Goa Khanat temple, not in the Barbiji
that there's not a temple. There's no temple known as Barbaji.
They have Yogananda to not expose it. Clearly to the people.
He didn't say it is gorukh Art Temple. Then otherwise
he is clearly mentioned. If I were to mention the
miracles of Barbaji, if I were to tell you in depth,
it would fulfill ten volumes like Autobiography of a Yogi.
I suppose I am here to fill the second volume
of the Autobiography of a Yogi, delving a little deeper.
You see, he will let us know only how much
he wishes us to know. We cannot delve more into
his deepest star. But I have known that it is
none other than Shiver gourak Ser Barbaijee, who is the
Barbijee of autobiography for Yogi, and I have had his experience,
and in that experience, I have seen them to be
the same. I will also give you a scientific explanation
for this. Don't worry, this is the age of science.
I'm not trying to shirk away from anything. And I
am agreed to others opinions. This is my personal experience.
It's not an opinion. I don't go on opinions in faith,
for faith is blind. Experience is that which blazes the trail.
Speaker 2: You see.
Speaker 3: In my last talk I had given about Majalda Majeda
of the book in which his name is Gora and
the Baguicharan asked for a child, a spiritual child. He
was given it by Gorukshanath. Gorukshan Arth is still aware
and around and you can still experience him. Anyone who
chants his name with reference attracts an instantaneous blessing. This
is the splendor of Shiv Gouraksha Babaji at the beginning
of time, this being along with the integrated consciousness of
the un livers. When it was seeing, there was a
great explosion from his heart which people now refer to
the Big Bang, and all but the scriptures in the
Nath traditional Sooy said Gurakshnad was born from the great
explosion of Shiva, who is the lord god parham Shiva.
Was this Shiva born, This Shiver was born. The birth
of Barbajie was from the explosion of the heart of
this integrated consciousness from the before time and then time
and causation and space gradually took their place in the
cosmic laws simultaneously.
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Speaker 3: And when he burst forth from the heart of Shiva
along with him with the Drishta. The process of seeing
was goruk Shanat, an Isshakti, Perushian, Prakriti, Shiv and Parvati.
So the Shiv that was meant to look after creation
is called Gorukhnath Gorba, and the Paramshava which is to
be perpetually in the state of Samadhi is Mahadev Sadashiv
or Paramshiva. Now this Shiva along with Parvati is also
called Ishwar. Goruk Shanath has been given that work for
this whole cycle, the great world cycle, and he divides
himself into many other swam Homan who's many other narts
all over creation in descending limitations of the space time continuum.
So he accommodated himself to the space time continuum. You see,
he accommodated him himself within light. Otherwise, what is there
three hundred thousand miles per second for a correction arth?
What is it for Barbajee? He's there, here, there, and
everywhere instantly, and he appears to people at many times
at many places. Why do people talk such nonsense as such? Baby?
These are kindergarten things. If you take a role call
or a spiship, you inquire around the people. I'm saying this,
I feel humbled with all humility, but people have to
be educated. I'm appearing to hundreds of people many times
at the same time. This happened in Maui. This is
happening here and they don't even know me. And when
they see me on TV, they said, this is the
man who appeared to me in the dreams. So this
is a very kindergarten stage. We people are are nowhere there.
So this is the second state of initiation, which is
called there. There are these various stages of initiation. You know,
first you have the duij the twice born. Then you
have the Kooti jerk. Then you have the Hamsa, then
you have the Parampansa ford degree of initiation, after the Paramantsa,
then you have the sidha fifth degree. So at the
second degree of initiation you begin to get this astral travel.
It's not a big deal. But to get astral travel
with purpose, you must be directed by high command by
other higher beings like Shri Yukkesha, Lahari Baba Yogoar, Gayanotar
yuk Kisher and the mahathar Anupa Duka Swambu Shiev go
uk Shababaji. So Shiv go uk Shababaji is that being
who in his spiritual self spiritual awareness lasts for the
whole world, the whole cosmic cycle of three hundred and
forty trillion years. After that, he goes into his own
state of Samadhi along with the great Brahma, who is
called the silent watcher. Hmm, you see one day of Brahma.
Let me tell you. People boast about the Aztec calendar
or the Mayan calendar, it has come to an end.
It is five thousand years ago, so it means two
thousand years ago. How did they know of five thousand
year old cycle? Well, listen to the great calculations of
Asura Maya and the Brahmmerishid Brugu, and the great Grand
Rishi Auguste and the great calculator of cosmic cycles nar Rather,
they were all great calculators. Asura Maya was a great
being cosmic calendar. They calculated to three hundred and forty
trillion year cycle. The life of our creation, the life
of our creation is politely saying that is the life
of one of the creators. This is the Hindu calendar
of the cosmic cycle, the Sanathan calendar. Now in this
three hundred trillion years, there is one day of Brahma,
that is one day. To give you a better picture,
for a better understanding, if you go to the Sistine
Chapel of Michelangelo and you will see God, that is
the creator they have depicted. So his one day in
the cosmic cycle, not in the individual or human or
cerestial cycles. They're smaller cycle within cycles out then the
other one day of this cosmic cycle is equal to
four billion, three hundred and twenty million years. That is
a day of our creator. The Michelangelo picture that you
see with the big beard in the say and the
Lord God, Oh of a I share a air. Now
in this one day is divided into fourteen sections, and
there are the fourteen kings who rule each of the
minor world cycles. There is a cosmic sense also not
in the terrestrial or human sense. So in this cosmic self,
each mono rules for three hundred million years, and there
are fourteen such manus. So if you constitute a reign
of a divine manu for three hundred million years, and
you multiplied by fourteen, you get four billion three hundred
and twenty million years, which is a day of Brahma.
You understand, I do. Now there are one hundred days
in a year of Brahma, and so on and so
forth this and and one hundred years in the life,
so and so forth. It goes on. It's too complex
for me to calculate. Also because the numbers are so
so mind boggling. This is one cosmic cycle of creation.
You're going to the mines in all five thousand years
ten thousand years cycle. It's the sauce is Ariavarta India.
Sanatan Dharma has through the great Narathen Brogu and Auguste
and Asuri maya great gigantic calculators of superhuman intelligence have
calculated this and now they are not going wrong. They're
still right. You know what they're saying. Now you will
be surprised. The rain of one sun one solar cycle
is two hundred and eighty two hundred and eighty to
three hundred billion years. The time it takes the Sun
and our solar system to go around the black hole
is two hundred and eighty Between two hundred and eighty
to three hundred million years. They are still calculating because
exact science is never exact, because you can't calculate exact
science on a moving universe. That is a problem. Yes,
that is the problem. Ever expanding, Yes, ever expanding. Now
they who calculated it five ten thousand years ago, seven
ten thousand years ago, We would give them the benefit
of the doubt. They're saying three hundred years reign of
one king, one celestial king, divine king. And here they
are saying that the divine king is always the sun,
our son and many other sons. They take two eighty
to three hundred million years. So there is the rain
of one spiritual Moneu. That's a word cycle. Then there
is a lay and a minimum destruction period called prelay.
According to the cosmic, not celestial or human. Human cycle
is much shorter, which Ghannouthar's youth, they sure has given
of the yuga. It's a twelve thousand year old cycle.
Twelve thousand and twelve thousand, twenty fourth year, thousand year.
Then there's a personal cycle. So let's not get into
all this. This is a calculative system. And I was
very bad at math in my see, I used to
get I used to get the big zero in trigonometry
and this thing. Till I realized that Vivekan spoke on
the zero. That gave me a lot of encouragement. And
I'm giving the zero on no mind state. I realize
the value of the zero. That's why I comfort myself.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you, with everything that's happening in the
world today, what do you believe Barbajee's message would be
to humanity right now?
Speaker 3: Barbaje's message would be to look at humanity as the
silent watcher and sustain the whole of humanity and creation.
Speaker 2: M hmm.
Speaker 3: For him, the rabbit is not bad. Neither is the
king cobra.
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Speaker 3: The savage is not bad eating raw meat. Neither is
the bramman eating his avocado and celery. He has equal
compassion for both, and he wants the evolution of both.
He tries to refine the mindset by giving these people
a chance. It says a long evolutionary process. It's a
long evolutionary process of eons of billions of years. So
what do you want to ask me that? Of this thing?
What do you want to ask me? There? Is one
atom in the body of barbi Gee, and that atom
is being taught Korea yog. So the Barbije in his finale,
as you told me, I should go ahead with my
view of Barbigee. So I'm going. Then I'll tell you
about the the littler barbageo comedy. It's himself to the
limited understanding of man. Then I will tell you about him.
But now he is called the silent watcher. He is
the divine light by which we are practicing Krea yog.
You are reading the Holy Bible. The other one is
reading the bagwad Ghita. He is the divine light by
which the forger is forging a document to cheat people
of millions of dollars. The watcher is still watching. He
is the one in broad daylight a person can see
who is shooting his accurate enemy and killing them in
battle according to their own law of karma. Barbaje is
watching the law of karma which he created also, and
he is also the watching the killer and the two
be killed, And the killer and the two be killed
will each get their reward and punishment. As for Newton's
third law of motion, or I should say Bascarachari's third
law of motion that each action has an equal and
opposite reaction. So he gives them a little more discrimination
so that they should think before they act. So this
vast being is so vast, and your question is so
little that I am at a loss as to what
I should answer, because you're asking me from my state
of who I think Barbagie is. I cannot answer that
little question. Which crea Yogan Christian science, and which Islam
and which Hinduism? For me, as long as I am existing,
my breath is running through the breath of humanity. But
and the light is there. They're forging their documents, they're praying,
they're doing this thing, they're acting, creating murders, they're being pure,
they're having said, they're having wine, they're having women because
my awareness is there in them. They're having laughter, and
then they're having sermons and soda the day after. But
I am watching. I am unchanged, for I am the
silent watcher, because of whom everything goes on. But for example,
if I put off the light, neither will the forger
of the documents be able to forge hiss documents. Neither
will you be able to read the Bible. Neither will
I be able to read the bagw Ghita, and with
the inner light of this awareness, neither would I be
able to evolve. So he is about the alchemy of
total transformation. There is no good nor bad for him.
All that is is he has created the circadian rhythms
of nature. When winter has its snow snow flakes. He
does not compete with the snowflakes and the different designs.
He does not need to because he is the very
common snow that is behind all the different snowflakes. So
he is not differentiated. He is undifferentiated. He is homogeneous.
And for him, behind the fragmented in Barbajee's vision, behind
the fragmented spacetime events of this world, lies his omnipresence
of reality.
Speaker 1: Can I ask you a question you mentioned earlier? This
is off the topic of Babajee because we've gone to speak.
Speaker 2: We can't. We've gone too far.
Speaker 1: This is too much for one episode. As you said,
ten volumes, we have to keep talking about Babaji.
Speaker 3: No, I will come down. I will come down.
Speaker 1: You mentioned before that in the West that they were
taking a lot of the feminine aspects out of these stories.
These religions, these spirituality. I've noticed that the feminine energy
seems to be growing now, it seems to be coming
up more because we've been so male dominated. The masculine
energy has been so dominating for thousands and thousands of years,
where now the female energy is starting to come up
to balance it a little bit more. Do you agree
that the feminine energy is starting to make itself known
a little bit more because it is such a love.
Speaker 3: Yes, I would love to agree. And I always champion
the women's cause. Yes, because it makes my heart literally
like bleed.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 3: And I went wells up with tears for the woman
the way they are treated in Afghanistan. Yes, And I
wouldn't even like to speak the truth, my limited truth
about how women themselves are made as the receiving end
and man himself is made as the transmitting end. It's
okay if the woman is with you for the act
of creation. The man puts his seed in the woman
and she receives the seed, so she's more passive, and
that passivity has a beauty to it. And man is
aggressive and progressive, progressive, he has more of the rajiogun.
He transmits his seed into the zygot into her the
ojo varia enogious, that is the sperm and the over
So does the sperm penetrate the over or they over
penetrate the sperm.
Speaker 2: I think it's the first one.
Speaker 3: Then they must all pray. You see. But this does
not mean that man should exploit his positive nature to
outer actions in the world. I detest and I think
it's a great fallacy on man's behavior to bully the mother.
These idiotic men who do this, they don't realize that
they are born from the womb of the mother, You idiots.
I'm addressing that part of society and the Afghanic Taliban.
If it wasn't for her, he would never be where
you are. And yet you are treating her that worse
than chattel and cattle. This is a very very disgraceful thing.
And the scar of humanity is not only on the Taliban,
but since we are human beings with them, we also
carry this scar of bulling them and doing this nonsense.
That's why it is going to be a very difficult task,
because the very nature of women is passive. I'm speaking
because I have to speak. You have put me on
a very difficult subject. I don't want to didn't want
to speak this, but I cannot tell you a lie. Yes,
the woman will will rise, and you know, I'm sorry.
It's a very sensitive subject. And if you see in
the case of the the hyena, the hyena, the woman,
the hya species is risen and the man is just
a servant to the side. She throws them aside. She
takes the first thing. She's even grown a false organs false.
But they cannot operate it. They cannot get the seed
for the seat. They have to go to the male liner.
That is how God has made it. But I am
championing the cause of woman that I pray to the
Good Lord to give these certain sections of society, like
the Taliban or certain sections of soda society, which are
treating the woman as secondary, should give them equal respect.
Honor the womanhood, for she is the mother, she is
the divine one. I've written my poem p Another. You
should read it. It's one of the best poems that
I've written, championing the cause of womanhood, the motherhood of humanity.
You know, where she gives her life, her own son
and saves the prince's life. That I've made a poem
on that, but sad to say that, when will this happen?
Because I'm praying. First, let us start from the worst
places like in Iran. This a lot went off, a
lot of young ladies died, their freedom restricted by that.
I don't mean that women should be encouraged to dance naked,
of course, in the street, but I give them their
rights of driving, education, standing shoulder to shoulder with man,
working with him, helping him. Why not. So they are rising.
But did you see man's ego is very subtle somehow
or the other. He is going to go to the
side and try to trumplem.
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Speaker 3: And that's why women are becoming very cautial. If the
women ruled a lot, and they were a lot a
woman in more of the administration, there'd be a lot
more peace and good sense instead of the rash aggression
of man. I'm not disgracing man, but many a time
man is misused and abused his power over them just a.
Speaker 2: Little, a little bit.
Speaker 3: Yeah, of course, this is this is a sad thing.
It is this is and I'm always praying night and
day that, Oh Good Lord, give women the show, for
she is the inspiration and the shakti of man also,
and why, o man, are you mistreating her? This is
a great dichotomy. It's a great this thing which and
some women I saw in Italy or some places, unless
the husband dominates them, they're not happy. They want them
to dominate them. Sure, so this is a question we
cannot discuss here. It's a personal thing. I personally pray
for the welfare and my meditation and say, good Lord,
give them freedom from this tyranny of misguided.
Speaker 1: Men now grown up. Before we finish off, can you
give a blessing to everybody watching and who's going to
be watching this in the future before we leave.
Speaker 3: I can give them a blessing by silently meditating. And
I don't have any I have one prayer, yes, but
I can give them may by just sitting silence for
five minutes. That's the blessing.
Speaker 1: Now, that would be fantastic, but that wouldn't be very.
Speaker 2: Good visual supports.
Speaker 3: No, there is.
Speaker 1: There anything you could say a little prayer though, something
that's going to give them before we leave.
Speaker 3: I will tell you to prayers, and one is a
simple one. My sister once asked me what prayer shall
I give? Because in my school there are many children
of various denominations, their Christians, their Hindus, their Muslims. So
I said that the best prayer I can give you
is the eleventh Commandment, and make the children for hold
their hands. Oh Lord, give us to realize that humanity
is our uniting religion. Breath, our uniting prayer, and consciousness
are uniting God, because this is who we actually are.
And the other breath prayer I give key that is
as sounds with prayer. He Lord, may they be goodwill
and peace to all mankind on earth. May nobody ever
be sad, May always everybody ever be in a state
of tranquil peace and bliss. Oh survey Sukina Santu survey,
Santu Nirama own survey Badrani Persian to Marcus du kabab baw.
Speaker 4: Oh, may they be peace on earth and goodwill to
all mankind.
Speaker 3: Dear souls. I know that for what I'm teaching, I'm
giving my state of Samadi to an unprepared audience. But
those who are in tune with me will receive a
thought free state of tranquil awareness.
Speaker 5: Oh oh, oh, oh.
Speaker 2: Thank you my friend. That was beautiful.
Speaker 1: Again, Thank you so much for being here, and I
do look forward to our next conversation. Blessings, my friend,
thank you, thank you for spending this sacred time with
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