WEBVTT 1 00:00:09.439 --> 00:00:13.240 Hey, everybody, welcome to Game Bess Mornings, presented by Deeku 2 00:00:13.320 --> 00:00:15.880 Deals with Me Jeff Grubb, your host from Giant bomb 3 00:00:15.919 --> 00:00:18.079 dot com. Thank you for tuning in. In this episode, 4 00:00:18.120 --> 00:00:20.800 we're gonna be talking about a ton of news about 5 00:00:20.879 --> 00:00:23.920 upcoming video game hardware. Time to start talking about the 6 00:00:23.960 --> 00:00:28.000 next gen and the next Ratchet and Clank game gets announced. Really, 7 00:00:28.000 --> 00:00:30.519 it's gonna be a good one. Hold your horses there, Bud. 8 00:00:30.559 --> 00:00:32.039 It's gonna be a good one because we have Janet 9 00:00:32.079 --> 00:00:34.000 Shoe on the show. Jan how are you doing? 10 00:00:34.240 --> 00:00:37.359 I was really excited and then you tempered my expectations. 11 00:00:37.640 --> 00:00:41.399 Let's temper them expectations just to tad, just to touch. 12 00:00:41.920 --> 00:00:45.159 We'll talk about that very soon. But yeah, it's a 13 00:00:45.200 --> 00:00:48.119 big news day plenty to catch up on. You did 14 00:00:48.159 --> 00:00:50.479 get a chance to go out to Seattle and see 15 00:00:50.479 --> 00:00:50.880 some stuff. 16 00:00:50.920 --> 00:00:51.640 How was that trip? 17 00:00:51.880 --> 00:00:55.119 Yes, it was a little bit. Uh I felt a 18 00:00:55.119 --> 00:00:58.119 little bit loopy because this was maybe a day or 19 00:00:58.119 --> 00:01:00.679 two after I got home from the Bombit thon. 20 00:01:00.719 --> 00:01:03.439 Yeah, it was NonStop, and then. 21 00:01:03.240 --> 00:01:06.280 Uh, Valve was like, hey, come on over y'all. And 22 00:01:06.359 --> 00:01:09.280 you know, when Valve comes calling, you don't say no. 23 00:01:09.799 --> 00:01:12.959 You if they if Gabe sends you the you up text, 24 00:01:13.239 --> 00:01:17.480 you get in the car and go. And also uh, 25 00:01:17.640 --> 00:01:20.959 Dan and I we put out a combination of a 26 00:01:21.079 --> 00:01:24.560 video checking out the new Steam frame, Steam machine, steam Controller, 27 00:01:24.680 --> 00:01:27.159 as well as like ever a little bit of a 28 00:01:27.159 --> 00:01:31.560 teensy travelogue it sprinkled in there. I always enjoy going 29 00:01:31.599 --> 00:01:35.879 to Valve because the people that work there seem very 30 00:01:36.000 --> 00:01:40.680 enthusiastic to work. They're they're happy, and also you know 31 00:01:40.680 --> 00:01:42.519 what grub when you were talking to someone that is 32 00:01:42.560 --> 00:01:45.640 so incredibly passionate about like the work that they get 33 00:01:45.680 --> 00:01:48.840 to do, that it feels infectious that even if you 34 00:01:49.319 --> 00:01:52.560 if some of like the more technical hardcore details are 35 00:01:52.560 --> 00:01:55.280 like going over your head, you're like, I'm glad y'all 36 00:01:55.319 --> 00:01:58.519 made that work. That is cool. Hell yeah, And it's 37 00:01:58.560 --> 00:02:01.159 just like genuine warmth and smile. And I feel that 38 00:02:01.719 --> 00:02:04.560 every single time I've gone the chance to visit Valve 39 00:02:04.599 --> 00:02:07.079 for you know, the original steam deck, the old and 40 00:02:07.120 --> 00:02:08.400 now all these three things. 41 00:02:09.400 --> 00:02:12.400 Yeah, it's uh, you know, their flat structure over there, 42 00:02:12.439 --> 00:02:14.439 people only work on stuff that they want to work on, 43 00:02:14.639 --> 00:02:16.680 and the fact that like they work that way and 44 00:02:16.680 --> 00:02:19.080 then they end up doing all this very amazing stuff. 45 00:02:19.439 --> 00:02:21.280 Well there's only one way this happens. 46 00:02:21.319 --> 00:02:22.280 It's because they all. 47 00:02:22.240 --> 00:02:26.360 Really want to be doing this, and that's encouraging and exciting, 48 00:02:26.400 --> 00:02:28.759 and you know that hopefully that passion will carry over 49 00:02:28.840 --> 00:02:31.919 now that it's it seems to be really well received. 50 00:02:32.000 --> 00:02:33.680 So okay, I think we're setting ourselves up for a 51 00:02:33.759 --> 00:02:37.000 nice future of cool hardware and maybe more importantly, in 52 00:02:37.039 --> 00:02:40.199 my eyes, a lot of like awesome software improvements that 53 00:02:40.280 --> 00:02:42.680 will set up gaming in a way that'll be safe 54 00:02:42.759 --> 00:02:45.560 from the effects of Windows and all these other things 55 00:02:45.639 --> 00:02:47.319 that you know, are a little bit shaky right now. 56 00:02:47.400 --> 00:02:49.240 And you know, we'll get into it as we talk 57 00:02:49.280 --> 00:02:52.479 about the Steam stuff further grub. But I also am 58 00:02:52.840 --> 00:02:57.599 deeply appreciative Evalve even having us on their radar and 59 00:02:57.680 --> 00:03:00.319 inviting us out multiple times, Like you know, we're, all 60 00:03:00.319 --> 00:03:04.439 things considered, we're a very small team, and our pocket 61 00:03:04.479 --> 00:03:06.639 of the internet as as fun and as great as 62 00:03:06.639 --> 00:03:08.960 it is, Like I understand that we're not hitting the 63 00:03:08.960 --> 00:03:12.280 same numbers as like all these other gaming outlets and everything, 64 00:03:12.319 --> 00:03:16.319 but I do appreciate that they're they will constantly invite 65 00:03:16.400 --> 00:03:17.960 Dan and I back, and like, oh, those two that 66 00:03:18.120 --> 00:03:22.240 keep filming in the park across the street, yeah, okay, okay. 67 00:03:22.400 --> 00:03:23.360 Uh huh they love it. 68 00:03:23.439 --> 00:03:26.599 Yeah, no, it's they know our crew, they know our audience, 69 00:03:26.639 --> 00:03:29.560 and uh there you know. I always appreciate it. Pretty 70 00:03:29.560 --> 00:03:32.560 friendly with Valve and that's nice. All right, Well let's 71 00:03:32.599 --> 00:03:33.000 get into it. 72 00:03:33.000 --> 00:03:33.240 Thanks. 73 00:03:33.240 --> 00:03:36.319 I want to talk about the hardware and everything. Before 74 00:03:36.319 --> 00:03:38.639 we get into things, though, let's explain ourselves. For Giant 75 00:03:38.639 --> 00:03:42.360 Bomb video game defaces independent games media, but your support 76 00:03:42.639 --> 00:03:45.479 enables us to continue to be independent going in the future. 77 00:03:45.520 --> 00:03:47.759 You can make that happen by going to giant bomb 78 00:03:47.840 --> 00:03:48.879 dot com slash join. 79 00:03:49.000 --> 00:03:50.479 Become a premium member. 80 00:03:50.599 --> 00:03:52.840 Gets you, you know, ad free versions of the shows, 81 00:03:52.960 --> 00:03:55.479 gets you some extra goodies. 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You can also catch the show 98 00:04:43.040 --> 00:04:45.519 later with chapters and timestamps on YouTube. 99 00:04:46.199 --> 00:04:47.680 Hello YouTube. 100 00:04:47.839 --> 00:04:49.199 All right, we have a lot to get into, so 101 00:04:49.319 --> 00:04:52.959 let's start the morning mess with Valve reveals a new 102 00:04:53.000 --> 00:04:57.399 hardware lineup, a controller, compact gaming PC, and vrready headset. 103 00:04:57.639 --> 00:05:00.519 We're going to grab this from Darren Bontius at game Spot. 104 00:05:00.839 --> 00:05:03.319 We'll be pulling from here and there as well. Valve 105 00:05:03.319 --> 00:05:05.920 has announced three new Steam hardware products, which we'll all 106 00:05:05.920 --> 00:05:08.600 be shipping out in early twenty twenty six. Next year, 107 00:05:08.639 --> 00:05:10.639 we'll see the launch of a new Steam Controller, a 108 00:05:10.680 --> 00:05:14.560 Steam Machine for PC gaming, and the Steam Frame VR headset, 109 00:05:14.639 --> 00:05:17.800 with specific launch timing and pricing to be shared after 110 00:05:17.839 --> 00:05:21.199 the first of the year. We will have a conversation 111 00:05:21.279 --> 00:05:25.120 about pricing here at the end of all this Steam Controller. 112 00:05:25.160 --> 00:05:28.199 The Steam Controller is inspired by Valves steam Deck mobile 113 00:05:28.240 --> 00:05:31.920 gaming PC and it includes all the inputs required to. 114 00:05:31.839 --> 00:05:32.879 Play a modern game. 115 00:05:32.959 --> 00:05:36.079 Valve says this controller is equipped with next generation precision 116 00:05:36.160 --> 00:05:41.560 magnetic thumbsticks. It's actually this has improved over hal effects sensors. 117 00:05:41.560 --> 00:05:46.839 They're using TMR, which I think is tunneling magneto resistance. 118 00:05:47.639 --> 00:05:51.439 The thing is like, so the traditional thumbsticks will wear 119 00:05:51.519 --> 00:05:54.519 down everyone else about drift. Hall effect fixes that right. 120 00:05:54.519 --> 00:05:58.040 Hallfac centers can last forever. There are some very subtle, 121 00:05:58.639 --> 00:06:02.399 very minor efficiencies with Hall effect where it's like when 122 00:06:02.399 --> 00:06:05.199 they're made, they have to be so precise with placing 123 00:06:05.240 --> 00:06:06.240 the magnet in there. 124 00:06:06.600 --> 00:06:08.639 Essentially, what is a magnet that. 125 00:06:08.639 --> 00:06:12.439 If it's off by a few micrometers, it could constantly 126 00:06:12.480 --> 00:06:15.480 be having its own inputs. So what they do to 127 00:06:15.879 --> 00:06:18.800 address that jan is they have a larger dead zone 128 00:06:19.360 --> 00:06:21.839 in there. It's not that much larger. It's about the 129 00:06:21.839 --> 00:06:23.439 size of a normal dead zone. It's not that much 130 00:06:23.439 --> 00:06:26.959 of a problem. TMR doesn't have that issue, and it 131 00:06:27.000 --> 00:06:29.480 also enables them to have an even smaller dead zone 132 00:06:29.519 --> 00:06:33.879 so you can have more instant feedback. There's some other improvements, 133 00:06:33.920 --> 00:06:35.800 like the input is a little bit more linear, so 134 00:06:36.040 --> 00:06:38.319 it works a little bit more like you're expecting, although 135 00:06:38.319 --> 00:06:41.199 again it's not like hal effic sensors are a problem, 136 00:06:41.240 --> 00:06:44.600 it's just slightly better than that. It's impressive that they're 137 00:06:44.720 --> 00:06:47.720 immediately going to this though, because this is as far 138 00:06:47.759 --> 00:06:50.680 as gaming applications are concerned, this is a pretty new tech. 139 00:06:50.839 --> 00:06:52.839 This is the kind of thing that you would find 140 00:06:52.879 --> 00:06:57.560 these sensors in military planes for like, how like the 141 00:06:57.600 --> 00:07:01.639 fin or you know the ailerons are are set, Like, okay, 142 00:07:01.720 --> 00:07:03.879 we need to need to know the exact degree of 143 00:07:03.920 --> 00:07:06.399 how that's set. Well, TMR sensors were used in there, 144 00:07:06.439 --> 00:07:08.560 and now it's just starting to come into game controllers, 145 00:07:09.920 --> 00:07:15.639 full size controls, track pads, gyros and grip buttons, and 146 00:07:15.680 --> 00:07:18.560 it's compatible with PC, Steam deck, steam machines and the 147 00:07:18.560 --> 00:07:21.319 Steam frame. It also it's got like its own little 148 00:07:21.399 --> 00:07:23.519 charging puck. Right, Jan, you got the chance to use 149 00:07:23.560 --> 00:07:25.800 this thing, see it? What were your feelings about it? 150 00:07:26.199 --> 00:07:29.560 I was initially a little skeptical grub over the form 151 00:07:29.639 --> 00:07:32.399 factor of the controls because it didn't look the most 152 00:07:32.519 --> 00:07:37.360 ergonomically sound because it is a tall controller. Dan likened 153 00:07:37.399 --> 00:07:41.600 it to the Dreamcast, but upon using it, actually having 154 00:07:41.639 --> 00:07:46.480 it in my hands feels really good. It feels very 155 00:07:46.519 --> 00:07:50.160 comfortable ergonomically. I could see myself using it for an 156 00:07:50.199 --> 00:07:52.680 extended period of time, and as we showed off in 157 00:07:52.720 --> 00:07:55.720 the video grub, just like the Steam Deck, it has 158 00:07:55.800 --> 00:07:59.160 all of the different options to build out different control schemes. 159 00:07:59.439 --> 00:08:03.560 I think one of the most impressive things was the 160 00:08:03.639 --> 00:08:06.480 capacitive touch that is built into the controller. 161 00:08:07.000 --> 00:08:09.720 So the sticks and the grips right, it is like 162 00:08:09.920 --> 00:08:11.319 its okay, yeah. 163 00:08:11.199 --> 00:08:14.319 So it will not only see it when it is 164 00:08:14.480 --> 00:08:17.560 in when you're holding the sticks, but also if with 165 00:08:17.600 --> 00:08:22.040 your other fingers, if you're gripping the controller in certain 166 00:08:22.040 --> 00:08:24.240 control schemes, that will activate the gyro in it, and 167 00:08:24.240 --> 00:08:25.920 then you could use it as like a we mote 168 00:08:26.000 --> 00:08:30.399 or a mouse, and combined with the Steam machine, I 169 00:08:30.399 --> 00:08:33.919 could see that really opening the door for maybe like 170 00:08:34.000 --> 00:08:37.720 point click games. Perhaps you're playing it in like an 171 00:08:37.799 --> 00:08:41.960 old monkey Island or something on a living room. But overall, 172 00:08:42.240 --> 00:08:44.919 the haptics and the rumble in it, they were also 173 00:08:45.120 --> 00:08:48.240 very proud of. And I'm not normally someone that has 174 00:08:48.279 --> 00:08:51.200 haptics on or I generally turned vibration off because my 175 00:08:51.240 --> 00:08:54.720 hands are stupid, but this felt very impressive. It felt 176 00:08:54.759 --> 00:08:58.200 almost like using a dual sense controller, and you know, 177 00:08:58.440 --> 00:09:01.279 the rumble aspect is going to be up to each developer, 178 00:09:01.320 --> 00:09:05.240 but it is nice now for PC gamers to have 179 00:09:05.279 --> 00:09:10.879 that option of very good feedback when it comes to rumble. Also, 180 00:09:10.919 --> 00:09:12.919 it was initially a little bit thrown off because I 181 00:09:12.919 --> 00:09:16.080 think I've gone so used to the Xbox format of 182 00:09:16.200 --> 00:09:20.080 the analog sticks layout analx sticks lay out. But I 183 00:09:20.279 --> 00:09:25.200 think the kind of PlayStation orthodox analog stick layout works 184 00:09:25.240 --> 00:09:28.399 well with the touch pads, and I think the touch 185 00:09:28.440 --> 00:09:32.559 pads are in a very good space. They are underneath 186 00:09:32.679 --> 00:09:35.120 the analog sticks and it feels fairly natural to shift 187 00:09:35.120 --> 00:09:35.759 your thumb over. 188 00:09:36.080 --> 00:09:39.120 All right, Jim, we a little tech issue, but we're back, 189 00:09:39.840 --> 00:09:42.279 I'll say. Just before we get off the Steam controller, 190 00:09:42.480 --> 00:09:44.919 Valve said it has support for up to thirty five 191 00:09:44.960 --> 00:09:47.559 hours of battery life, which is I love to hear 192 00:09:47.600 --> 00:09:50.320 that that it's got a rechargeable with them ion battery. 193 00:09:50.720 --> 00:09:54.000 You mentioned the gyros and using the touch to sort 194 00:09:54.039 --> 00:09:54.720 of activate that. 195 00:09:54.840 --> 00:09:55.559 It's like, oh, there's some. 196 00:09:55.519 --> 00:09:57.360 Clever ideas there where it's like you can put your 197 00:09:57.399 --> 00:09:59.759 thumb on the sticks to sort of say, hey, I 198 00:09:59.799 --> 00:10:03.000 want to be using gyro right now, or you could 199 00:10:03.000 --> 00:10:04.639 even like have it where it's like it's always on, 200 00:10:05.000 --> 00:10:06.720 and then if you want to like recenterate, you could 201 00:10:06.759 --> 00:10:10.159 just like loosen the grips and then center it again, 202 00:10:10.519 --> 00:10:12.720 regrab the grips and be like okay, now I'm good 203 00:10:12.759 --> 00:10:14.080 to go, and it's like oh, that can just become 204 00:10:14.159 --> 00:10:16.879 second nature very quickly for people who play a lot 205 00:10:16.879 --> 00:10:17.600 of games that way. 206 00:10:17.759 --> 00:10:21.679 Yes, my first application I'm thinking of is I know 207 00:10:21.759 --> 00:10:24.919 a lot of folks will use the gyro aiming in 208 00:10:24.960 --> 00:10:28.919 a game like Splatoon and then they get real tricky 209 00:10:28.960 --> 00:10:31.639 with it. So I can only imagine that application when 210 00:10:31.639 --> 00:10:36.720 you unleash the gyro aiming SI goos out into something 211 00:10:36.799 --> 00:10:42.120 perhaps like I don't know, csgo perhaps or other FPSs 212 00:10:42.159 --> 00:10:44.360 that are out there that you can play through Steam. 213 00:10:44.799 --> 00:10:46.240 I think the one thing we didn't get the chance 214 00:10:46.240 --> 00:10:47.960 to talk about yet though, grub is a little puck 215 00:10:48.000 --> 00:10:51.600 attachment that they acts like as a dongle, So you 216 00:10:51.600 --> 00:10:54.480 can just plug that into the Steam machine or whatever 217 00:10:54.600 --> 00:10:57.879 PC you have and then that'll just help pair the controller. Also, 218 00:10:58.320 --> 00:11:01.840 you know what grub I think, I like puck style 219 00:11:01.919 --> 00:11:04.840 things where you can just crook and attach it and 220 00:11:04.879 --> 00:11:07.480 everything and then it just you could rip it off, 221 00:11:07.519 --> 00:11:09.879 but you can just easily pry it off. It's a 222 00:11:09.960 --> 00:11:12.799 little bit of like a magnetic connection there. Steam. I 223 00:11:12.840 --> 00:11:13.919 think they like magnets. 224 00:11:14.639 --> 00:11:19.039 Yeah, it's cool technology. And then that radio that is 225 00:11:19.039 --> 00:11:24.360 inside the puck is also just built right into the 226 00:11:24.399 --> 00:11:27.080 Steam Machine, so it's going to have native connection to 227 00:11:27.159 --> 00:11:31.320 its own controller. Let's talk about the Steam Machine. Let's 228 00:11:31.320 --> 00:11:34.159 continue here with the description from Darren bamf Use. If 229 00:11:34.159 --> 00:11:36.759 you're looking to bring your PC gaming to your TV, 230 00:11:37.080 --> 00:11:39.799 the Steam Machine looks like it'll be a compact solution. 231 00:11:40.879 --> 00:11:43.879 This roughly six inch cube runs Steam OS and it's 232 00:11:43.879 --> 00:11:45.679 made to work with the Steam controller, and. 233 00:11:45.720 --> 00:11:48.519 Valve says that it also supports other accessories. 234 00:11:48.200 --> 00:11:51.679 So that it can offer versatile PC gaming experiences. And 235 00:11:51.720 --> 00:11:55.120 it has it's open it has USB ports, it's gonna 236 00:11:55.120 --> 00:11:56.960 have Bluetooth. You can connect whatever you want to it 237 00:11:57.000 --> 00:11:59.639 as a controller. This will be available in five hundred 238 00:11:59.639 --> 00:12:02.799 and twelve gigabytes and two terabyte models with room for 239 00:12:02.840 --> 00:12:06.600 a micro SD card to expand storage. And internally, these 240 00:12:06.639 --> 00:12:10.639 have an AMD zen four six core twelve thread CPU, 241 00:12:11.080 --> 00:12:14.320 a semi custom AMD GPU that people are saying is 242 00:12:14.679 --> 00:12:18.679 about equivalent to like a forty sixty or maybe a 243 00:12:18.720 --> 00:12:21.559 seventy seventy I can't remember. It was seven to seventy whatever. 244 00:12:21.600 --> 00:12:24.799 The AMD equivalent is maybe one step up. And then 245 00:12:24.879 --> 00:12:28.159 it has sixteen gigabytes of DDR five RAM, although apparently 246 00:12:28.200 --> 00:12:31.480 only eight gigabytes of that is VRAM. Valve says that 247 00:12:31.480 --> 00:12:33.840 the unit supports four K gaming at sixty frames per 248 00:12:33.879 --> 00:12:37.720 second by using AMD FSR four. That can that it 249 00:12:37.840 --> 00:12:41.440 handles ray tracing stuff a little bit better. Okay, of 250 00:12:41.480 --> 00:12:46.120 six inches, that's like, you know, I'm imagining something that's 251 00:12:46.159 --> 00:12:48.240 like kind of the size of a GameCube. Is it 252 00:12:48.240 --> 00:12:49.559 about the size of a GameCube? 253 00:12:49.679 --> 00:12:52.480 Yes, one hundred percent. For folks out there, they're looking 254 00:12:52.480 --> 00:12:54.720 for a frame of reference. If you have like a 255 00:12:55.080 --> 00:12:58.600 square or a cube tissue box, it is the same 256 00:12:58.639 --> 00:13:01.840 size as one of those. Or if you have a 257 00:13:01.879 --> 00:13:04.759 game cube in your life, it is exactly like one 258 00:13:04.759 --> 00:13:07.919 of those. I think when they pulled it out grub, 259 00:13:08.000 --> 00:13:11.840 I was so excited because, say to the video, but 260 00:13:12.200 --> 00:13:15.399 the thing that I detest the most about modern generation 261 00:13:15.559 --> 00:13:20.360 consoles is how ugo they are and how unimaginative. Unimaginative 262 00:13:20.759 --> 00:13:25.360 but who knew pulling out a heavy not heavy, but 263 00:13:25.480 --> 00:13:28.679 like a cube that I can play my whole Steam 264 00:13:28.720 --> 00:13:31.799 library on would excite me that much. The engineers that 265 00:13:31.840 --> 00:13:35.519 we were chatting with they also mentioned that the micro 266 00:13:35.600 --> 00:13:37.919 SD card that you have in your Steam deck, if 267 00:13:37.960 --> 00:13:41.440 you wind up putting most of your games on there, 268 00:13:41.639 --> 00:13:44.000 you can pop that out and pop that straight into 269 00:13:44.039 --> 00:13:48.120 the Steam machine and it will work completely fine. It 270 00:13:48.159 --> 00:13:52.679 should carry over mostly everything, which is very impressive. The 271 00:13:52.720 --> 00:13:55.200 thing that they love to do when I've gone over 272 00:13:55.200 --> 00:13:57.759 there at Valve is they love showing the other applications 273 00:13:57.799 --> 00:14:01.399 you can use their things for. So they also showed 274 00:14:01.440 --> 00:14:04.360 it off in a desktop mode and it ran perfectly fine. 275 00:14:04.480 --> 00:14:07.919 I was able. I was running Blunder, some coding window 276 00:14:07.960 --> 00:14:11.120 that I have no idea what was happening, and I 277 00:14:11.159 --> 00:14:13.600 was playing Blantro as well, and it was running completely fine. 278 00:14:15.039 --> 00:14:19.759 Some interesting things about this It is. 279 00:14:18.879 --> 00:14:21.440 Not a custom SoC it's not a system on a chip. 280 00:14:21.480 --> 00:14:24.679 They are not putting the CPU and GPU onto one 281 00:14:24.799 --> 00:14:29.480 die and building it that way. These are Bespoke, a 282 00:14:29.559 --> 00:14:35.679 distinct CPUs and GPU, so that's interesting. I guess the 283 00:14:35.720 --> 00:14:38.039 reason they did that is it was a combination of factors. 284 00:14:38.080 --> 00:14:41.279 They were worried about cost obviously, but like the sides 285 00:14:41.320 --> 00:14:44.000 and the heat and just like how easy it would 286 00:14:44.000 --> 00:14:46.240 be to produce. And it's like when they did all that, 287 00:14:46.559 --> 00:14:48.679 they ended up coming up with this solution and it 288 00:14:48.960 --> 00:14:50.639 doesn't seem like it held them back in terms of 289 00:14:50.639 --> 00:14:53.200 being able to create something that is super small, super compact, 290 00:14:53.200 --> 00:14:53.960 and super dense. 291 00:14:54.519 --> 00:14:55.639 That's actually quite impressive. 292 00:14:56.399 --> 00:14:58.240 Okay, So in terms of the power, though, we are 293 00:14:58.279 --> 00:15:03.240 talking forty six seventy or seventy six hundred from AMD, 294 00:15:03.759 --> 00:15:07.679 I bet it'll be because it's custom probably because they 295 00:15:07.720 --> 00:15:09.519 are going to be able to really focus and hone 296 00:15:09.559 --> 00:15:12.240 in on the features. I bet we're gonna get performance 297 00:15:12.320 --> 00:15:16.320 at the end of the day over time that will outpace. 298 00:15:16.080 --> 00:15:18.360 The things that it's equival equivalent to, but not by 299 00:15:18.399 --> 00:15:18.840 a lot. 300 00:15:19.240 --> 00:15:21.919 That's just gonna because based on the experience with the 301 00:15:21.960 --> 00:15:24.039 Steam Deck of like them being able to get so 302 00:15:24.159 --> 00:15:26.799 much out of that because people are specifically building for 303 00:15:26.840 --> 00:15:30.120 it and they can really focus on improving proton for 304 00:15:30.159 --> 00:15:34.399 that and stuff like that. So it's gonna be pretty powerful. 305 00:15:35.039 --> 00:15:37.159 Six times more powerful than the Steam Deck, they said, 306 00:15:37.159 --> 00:15:39.440 and again with FSR four to help them get up 307 00:15:39.480 --> 00:15:42.600 the four K. You got to see this in you know, 308 00:15:42.639 --> 00:15:46.240 in person running what like Cyberpunk was on the screen 309 00:15:46.240 --> 00:15:48.080 and stuff like that. What was your takeaway in terms 310 00:15:48.120 --> 00:15:49.000 of the visual quality? 311 00:15:49.120 --> 00:15:52.159 From the visual quality grub, I couldn't discern the difference 312 00:15:52.200 --> 00:15:56.519 from it running on a PC. I will preface this 313 00:15:56.639 --> 00:15:59.919 by saying, my eyeballs are not trained to really know 314 00:16:00.000 --> 00:16:05.039 notice the technical differences when it comes to PC gaming performance. 315 00:16:05.600 --> 00:16:08.320 But based off of all the specs and the demos 316 00:16:08.320 --> 00:16:12.440 that they ran us through, it felt like a causole 317 00:16:12.440 --> 00:16:15.600 experience that I feel like would translate well to someone 318 00:16:15.639 --> 00:16:17.879 trying to dip into Steam for the first time. 319 00:16:19.240 --> 00:16:22.519 It's not gonna be super easy to upgrade this necessarily. 320 00:16:22.559 --> 00:16:24.679 This is supposed to be kind of a self contained thing. 321 00:16:24.720 --> 00:16:27.679 You can add more ram. I think you can obviously 322 00:16:27.720 --> 00:16:30.639 expand the storage. In fact, you could just buy that 323 00:16:30.639 --> 00:16:33.159 five hundred and twelve gigabyte version and put your own 324 00:16:33.159 --> 00:16:35.600 two terabyte SSD in there so you don't have to 325 00:16:35.639 --> 00:16:37.120 pay the whatever price they're they're. 326 00:16:36.919 --> 00:16:39.120 Gonna charge you. They well game. 327 00:16:39.200 --> 00:16:40.879 We'll talk more about the pricing in a second, but 328 00:16:40.919 --> 00:16:44.440 they didn't provide a price. You know, there's maybe a 329 00:16:44.480 --> 00:16:47.200 couple other small tidbits like HD my two point zero 330 00:16:47.240 --> 00:16:49.639 instead of two point one, but apparently that's about not 331 00:16:49.720 --> 00:16:52.759 having some specific features that they need to be able 332 00:16:52.799 --> 00:16:55.200 to use. The the HDMI two point one name according 333 00:16:55.240 --> 00:16:58.240 to that consortium or whatever it is, it does support 334 00:16:58.240 --> 00:17:01.679 four k one and twenty frames per second on hertz 335 00:17:02.000 --> 00:17:05.000 and like HDR and free sync and all that stuff, 336 00:17:05.160 --> 00:17:06.759 So it's it's gonna have most of the. 337 00:17:06.640 --> 00:17:10.559 Futures that gamers care about. Wi Fi six ed. 338 00:17:10.559 --> 00:17:13.319 It's gonna be pretty fast as that dedicated Bluetooth antenna, 339 00:17:13.599 --> 00:17:16.079 so it's and then it has its own controller stuff, 340 00:17:16.079 --> 00:17:17.839 so there's a lot of like radios in there, so 341 00:17:17.880 --> 00:17:20.319 you can get the maximum speed from all these things 342 00:17:20.480 --> 00:17:23.839 without them interfering with one another. And that lends it 343 00:17:24.039 --> 00:17:26.720 leads into the steam frame, which will take advantage of 344 00:17:26.720 --> 00:17:29.359 that be able to connect directly to this thing. But 345 00:17:29.559 --> 00:17:32.640 also the Steam frame comes with its own dongle that 346 00:17:32.839 --> 00:17:36.440 is specifically for streaming VR games to this new VR 347 00:17:36.480 --> 00:17:39.799 headset that is otherwise stand alone. Although jan let me 348 00:17:39.920 --> 00:17:41.359 let me just ask you when you saw this thing, 349 00:17:41.559 --> 00:17:44.200 did you get the sense that they were saying, hey, well, 350 00:17:44.240 --> 00:17:47.880 this is a streaming VR thing first, or a standalone 351 00:17:47.880 --> 00:17:49.960 sort of mediquest thing first. 352 00:17:50.519 --> 00:17:53.640 It's a little hard to say, grub just because they 353 00:17:53.720 --> 00:17:56.240 were I think they were very proud of showing the 354 00:17:56.359 --> 00:17:59.319 streaming tech through the dongle and how you can just 355 00:18:00.160 --> 00:18:03.559 your existing library off of a PC or a laptop 356 00:18:03.599 --> 00:18:06.079 that you do have potentially straight off of your Steam 357 00:18:06.119 --> 00:18:10.480 machine as well, and I can speak to how well 358 00:18:10.559 --> 00:18:12.599 that felt. Hey, I don't know if anyone knows this 359 00:18:12.839 --> 00:18:18.839 Half Life Alex, cool freaking game it turns out. And 360 00:18:19.000 --> 00:18:22.119 I think the headset overall, if anyone out there has 361 00:18:22.440 --> 00:18:26.559 worn a Mediquest three, which I find, or a PSVR two, 362 00:18:26.839 --> 00:18:29.160 those are two headsets that I find to be very comfortable, 363 00:18:29.640 --> 00:18:32.240 this blows it all out of the water. Yeah, just 364 00:18:32.319 --> 00:18:34.839 much lighter, right, Yeah, just in terms of how light 365 00:18:34.920 --> 00:18:39.000 it is. Dan did get the chance to play Eighties 366 00:18:39.079 --> 00:18:42.799 two in another VR game straight off of the headset, 367 00:18:43.079 --> 00:18:46.160 and I don't think he had there was any discernible 368 00:18:46.160 --> 00:18:49.319 differences for him when he was checking those two games out, 369 00:18:49.359 --> 00:18:51.200 because he was just playing those on like a couch 370 00:18:51.240 --> 00:18:52.960 set up that they had, and on top of that, 371 00:18:53.000 --> 00:18:55.920 it was also streaming out to another monitor, so I 372 00:18:55.960 --> 00:19:00.240 could see what Dan was seeing. Yeah, gub it is 373 00:19:00.279 --> 00:19:03.400 a very comfortable headset to where and for folks that 374 00:19:03.680 --> 00:19:06.599 wear glasses out there, it is a good one of 375 00:19:06.640 --> 00:19:07.279 those for us. 376 00:19:09.160 --> 00:19:10.359 Okay, that's fantastic to hear. 377 00:19:10.400 --> 00:19:12.480 Let's I'm gonna read some of the stuff from Darren Bondhus 378 00:19:12.519 --> 00:19:15.240 before I hone in on things that I'm really surprised 379 00:19:15.279 --> 00:19:18.359 and excited about. The steam Frame is a VR headset 380 00:19:18.359 --> 00:19:21.359 that can stream VR and non VR games. Designed to 381 00:19:21.359 --> 00:19:25.000 be comfortable and featuring a lightweight construction. It's powered by 382 00:19:25.000 --> 00:19:29.160 a snap Dragon processor, so it's ARM and runs Steam 383 00:19:29.279 --> 00:19:33.039 OS on ARM. It also supports standalone play and full 384 00:19:33.079 --> 00:19:36.720 controller input support for PCVR and non VR games. The 385 00:19:36.759 --> 00:19:39.319 headset has a twenty one sixty by twenty one sixty 386 00:19:39.480 --> 00:19:42.440 LCD per I and a one hundred and ten degree 387 00:19:42.440 --> 00:19:45.160 field of view with a seventy two to one hundred 388 00:19:45.160 --> 00:19:48.200 and forty four hertz refresh rate. It has sixteen gigabytes 389 00:19:48.200 --> 00:19:50.079 of RAM and will be available in two hundred and 390 00:19:50.119 --> 00:19:54.000 fifty six gigabytes and on one terabyte storage models. Storage 391 00:19:54.000 --> 00:19:56.920 capacity can also be expanded with micro SD. Does this 392 00:19:57.000 --> 00:19:58.640 do the same thing where if you kick the micro SD? 393 00:19:58.920 --> 00:19:59.279 Okay? 394 00:20:00.119 --> 00:20:03.440 So, Another thing that it is very apparent Grub that 395 00:20:03.440 --> 00:20:05.440 there was a lot of care into the design of 396 00:20:05.480 --> 00:20:10.680 this is the face cushions are held on by magnets 397 00:20:10.680 --> 00:20:13.359 that you can easily take off cool and underneath the 398 00:20:13.400 --> 00:20:17.559 padding are is a micro s dport where you again 399 00:20:17.640 --> 00:20:20.400 you can take it from your steam Deck steam machine 400 00:20:20.799 --> 00:20:23.200 and slot that bad boy into there and it should 401 00:20:23.200 --> 00:20:26.559