Speaker 1: Hello, ladies and gentlemen, Welcome back to another episode of
geek Verse podcast. I am one of your hosts, the
Riding Samurai Taylor Field, and I'm joined.
Speaker 2: By I am the Watcher, Watching the Watcher, watching Kirkland Patzer.
Speaker 3: I am Dyling the Duck. How's it going, Gardner?
Speaker 4: What?
Speaker 3: I don't say my last name? It kind of throws.
Speaker 2: Off and ironically one of the funniest names I think
you've ever had, dial in the Duck.
Speaker 3: I don't know, just shortens literation.
Speaker 1: Yeah, doing by your nicknames if you hadn't guess. We're
here to review our non spoilers and spoilers of What
If Season three that dropped day by day throughout the
holidays here.
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Speaker 4: What else do we got cook and we got reviews
going on?
Speaker 1: We did an asp Rattu, and we got Skeleton Crew
Star Wars, we got Creature Commandos that's gonna be wrapping
up soon. I think we're nearing the finale for that
penultimate I think is coming up. And then we also
got Dexter that we're also deep diving into Original Sin.
So lots of stuff all over the Feed's a great
way to cap off the twenty twenty four year with
all this stuff.
Speaker 4: Dylan, what do you got cooking? You got some side
Quest stuff going.
Speaker 3: Oh, the meanest brew of side Batch, our side Quest
is the bat greenest batch of side Quest is ready
to go, So I'm all over the place today. Game
of the Year episode has just dropped as of Tuesday
here New Year's Eve, so check that out. It's me
and Kirkland and then Taylor makes a cameo appearance as well.
So if you want to hear our Games of the Year,
no better place to go than checking that out. Episode out?
Speaker 1: Nice, nice, nice, anything you got Kirkland September fifth review
or anything?
Speaker 2: Uh no, I'm only gonna do the one September fifth review. No,
nothing cooking as we creep into the new year.
Speaker 5: But yeah, cool.
Speaker 1: All right, Well let's get into our non spoilers thoughts
for for what if? And I mean, who wants to
take it away? Because this this is quite the quite
the show.
Speaker 3: I'll grab that multiversal baton. Uh yeah, I think I've
always been very mid on what if. And honestly I
couldn't even if you ask me right now, quiz me, trivia,
question me, like, what are the episodes from the first
two seasons? I don't know. I think I maybe get
twenty five percent of them, right maybe, Like I feel
like it's kind of in one ear out the other
to some extent, just because it's not really my vibe.
I don't love the writing. I don't love that, like
some of the actors aren't the actual actors, so you
get someone like trying to do an impression. I think
the writings like generally just kind of mid But I
actually think this season was pretty decent, maybe at least
fifty percent hit rate of there's some actually like really
interesting story stuff going on, and then you also had
just some fun, stupid scenarios and I enjoyed those as well.
The timing of this is quite funny. I feel like
this just because of the production cycle of all these things,
this feels like it should have come out like a
couple of years ago in terms of the kind of
characters that it's highlighted to some extent. But then also
there's an episode really featuring Ironheart, and it's like that
show got delayed and that's to come out yet, and
that feels really weird. So I don't know, it's kind
of strange. It seems like they kind of just wanted
to get it out of the door, put it over
the holidays, like they did last year, I guess, and
this is it, right, They confirmed that this is the
final season of What If, So overall I kind of
enjoy it. I think it does a good job of
bringing together a lot of the storylines that we have
had from the previous seasons, like the major of the
bigger ones, and there's some good stuff here, some interesting characters.
But yeah, so I don't know. I might be hottest
on this than the other seasons, but it still isn't
like one of my favorite MCU things in general. Still
have those same issues with like some performances, some of
the writing, some of the I just don't really like
the animation style. Honestly, that's a big part with how
I can't get super into what If. But yeah, overall
had a decent time with this, And yeah, I did
not watch a day day. I binged it hard. Thank
you Kirkland for hitting me up with some credentials for
Disney Plus and I'll send you blast through all of
it in two days here, so.
Speaker 5: Yeah, awesome.
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I'll pegeback where you stop the piggyback, I guess.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I did a big binge model on this one, and
honestly just prefer it for shorter length shows, not necessarily
the run time being short, but just actually yeah, runtime
and collection of episodes.
Speaker 5: I feel like it.
Speaker 2: It worked well overall. I really liked the idea of
what what if was. I was very, very hype for
that season one release, and I just love the show
from the get go. Looking back on it now in
the three seasons and now the show's complete, I think
season one might still be my favorite, but this one's.
Speaker 5: Not that far behind. I really really like this season. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think they did a good job at just not
trying to like bring every story that was done throughout
all seasons like back here, but I think like the
main heavy hitters for at least this like collective story
that they've been setting up with the Watcher and yeah,
just all that stuff. I'm there were some returning faces
from season one that I wasn't expecting at all, and
I just got me so hyped. You know, you can
play the rock clip if you want. I was chills
all over when a certain character came back. I just
totally was not expecting it, and I was pretty satisfied
by the end of it, especially knowing that this is
going to be the last one.
Speaker 5: I was curious I was gonna.
Speaker 2: Round it off just because there's such like major scale
events going on in this world, right, Like we have
celestials like that are a big deal, but like this
show just goes so much further than that, and I
don't know, it doesn't feel like it's doesn't really feel
like it's completely affecting maybe my other MCU stuff, which
is nice, like it would have sucked coming off this show.
It's like, Okay, well what does this mean now for
the overall health of just where we are in the
the timeline of what the MCU is. I think this
is a nice just a nice piece that supplements the
overall MCU very well, and a show that I'll definitely
be returning too, just because I really like some of
the sequences. Probably skip some of the episodes that I'm
not too fond of. I think this season had a
couple little I don't know, I'll say sleepers, not in
the sense of like a sleep rope, but just put
me asleep a little bit, especially watching it late at night.
But no, it was it was a good yeah, just
a good season and I actually really liked the animation style.
I was a little bit unsure on it, but I
really did end up liking it. By the end of it,
I feel like the colors just pop really like vibrantly
compared to other animated shows that I've seen in the past,
and sometimes it's like a little bit too bright. But
for the most part, especially in like the darker scenes,
I just think some of the the glow that certain
characters have it just it just makes it feel it
was glowing eyes man. Yeah, yeah, I know, and I
really like that aesthetic. So yeah, overall, definitely big thumbs
up for me for this season and for the show overall.
And I'm really glad that this did come out. And
although maybe I wish they would have gone a little
bit wilder on some of the what ifs, I am
still happy with what we got.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I I I really love the WTFS show. I
think it's great season two. I had a blast with
that in season one. Season one, especially with like all
the alternative characters and different storylines, it was really really exciting.
Speaker 4: Of course, there's a couple of duds in there, like
Your Party four, which I'm not a big fan of, but.
Speaker 1: For the most part, a lot of the characters and
storylines I'm so so game for. It's fantastic, And so
when this came out this was this was awesome.
Speaker 4: I just binged it. I did not follow it like
day by day.
Speaker 1: Because I thought, Okay, this would be much more exciting
to go through and just doing one lump sum But
I am a little bummed out with most of these stories.
There's probably only two episodes of The Bunch that I liked.
One I thought was really really good, but most of
this season just felt like Party four just expanded and
spread over and I was.
Speaker 4: Not having it.
Speaker 6: I thought, there's there's way too much comedy going on in.
Speaker 4: Here, and not to not.
Speaker 1: To compare, but I've seen people other people make comparisons,
and so that's what made me think, like, well, you
know what, the other writing is very different. Obviously, it's
different universes and different franchises when you have Creature Commandos
and you have what If.
Speaker 4: But I feel like what if just.
Speaker 1: Is turned into uh, which is totally fine moving forward
on this narrative that it's created from the past two
seasons instead of just really kind of staying true to
that that what If. I'm getting super zany with it,
and maybe this is zany in its own way and
it's not to interpretation for everyone. This is just my
own perspective, but I just think that the stories that
they were going for in this were just a little.
Speaker 4: Bit too comedic too.
Speaker 6: I don't know, like what like instead of what if?
Speaker 4: It's like, what the fuck?
Speaker 1: I guess this is what like I would say, I.
Speaker 3: Mean, he does say that at one point, and this
doesn't he It's kind of like, yeah, that's what if?
More what the hell?
Speaker 1: So I just think that they kind of missed the
mark a little bit. The most exciting part for me
of this entire show was the close up to the
finale episode when they were kind of closing that out
and we'll highlight that later. I thought, holy fuck, like,
oh my god, it was just crazy and that's what
they I feel like they should have been doing more
of that instead of the weird stories that we got here.
Speaker 4: But it is what it is, uh And that's uh yeah,
that's what if for me.
Speaker 1: So anything else you guys want to add before we
get into some spoilers, I think not, Okay, well, we're
gonna take our quick first. Abreac won't be right back
and we are back. So where do you guys want
to start? You just want to go episode to episode?
Do you want to together.
Speaker 3: Should episode by episode?
Speaker 4: Sure?
Speaker 1: Uh, first episode that we got is what if the
Hulk fought the Mech Avengers.
Speaker 3: I mean, throw right back at you, Taylor. I feel
like if there is an episode you're gonna like, it's
gotta be the Kaiju Marvel Kaiju Battle? Is this one
of the episodes that you enjoyed?
Speaker 1: I thought I would like it too, but it didn't
really sell me on it, Like I'm not. I feel
like I'm getting.
Speaker 4: Too hulked out right now with with the she Hulk
and the Red Hulk and now.
Speaker 3: You're not Scar Scar's coming.
Speaker 1: I need a little more Scar. Scar was in this episode.
This be a ten out of ten, This would be great.
But I thought there were some cool beats in here,
and this is definitely one that I enjoyed watching.
Speaker 4: It is very Godzilla.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Kaiju oriented like you said, but the giant Mech
suits I wasn't. I'm not super super into that. I'm
not like a Gundam kind of guy. I don't even
know if people are operating those or how that works.
But I don't know anything about Gundam. But it's just yeah,
it's fun. I think it was neat.
Speaker 4: How Bruce was trying to.
Speaker 1: Rid his his Gamma Hulk whatever. But I feel like
that's a storyline we've seen so many times him trying
to deal with it and axe it, and so he did,
and then it created this weird Kaiju version of that
that could like gremblin out these other versions of himself
or something like that.
Speaker 4: And and yeah.
Speaker 1: Again it's a cool whatd of scenario because the Avengers
die and you get the like the extra side Avengers
that come in to try and save the day and whatnot,
and just Bruce turns into like the giant Apex creature thing,
which I don't know if that's actually from the comic books.
Speaker 4: I've never seen this Hulk version before.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I guess some of these are would be
or and some of these wouldn't. Like Kahori is like
a new character to the like this was her introduction
and whatever, right, so I guess some of those stories
would end up being a bit different. But maybe that's
when they grabbed from a certain comic book run. Yeah,
I think this this one, I didn't really care much
for the story of it. I think the big part
of is like that's once again what if thing. I
don't know if Mark Ruffalo was the voice here or
if it was someone that there was a really good impression.
But if it was Ruffle, I feel like he really
phoned it in.
Speaker 4: Like I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't feel like there was much gusto in the performance.
I think sam Anthony mackew, which that did sound like
very much like him as well. I think he did
a better job there, and I bought more into some
of the lines that he had. But Ruffalo really felt
like literally just out on his cell phone, called into
the booth and like got that recorded and just like
went on his merry way. And also it feels like
did that make any sense for him? Like, Okay, this
gamma situation is a problem. Let me blast myself with
more gamma radiation than ever before and see if that
fixes it. It seems like super risky maneuver, But yeah, I did.
I did. Like some of the people we got, like
shung Chi, who's you know, a big, big part of
this whole season, and then Moon Night. He didn't really
get to do a whole lot and we didn't really
get the fun Moon Night isms of him, but it
was still cool to see, you know, I guess it
was more expector version in there. So yeah, I liked
this episode enough just for like the fun, crazy scenario
of it. But yeah, it's not when I'd rewatch it,
not a story that I'd look back on too fondly.
Speaker 2: I fucking love this one. I thought it was amazing. Yeah,
I'm not really a Gundam guy, but I am a
big Vultron fan, and this felt a lot more like
Vultron in the sense of them actually like combining and
making like one like megasuit that's a big thing in Voltron,
so always five of them, and it's just like a
different limb essentially that they that they assemble. And I
love the design of the Max. I also just felt
like some of the camera shots made this feel so epic,
Like there's a lot of low shots looking up and
it just made the giant creature and all of his
lackey's just look that much bigger and like the scale
of it. I just, yeah, I was vibing with all
of the action that this episode had. I thought, Yeah,
Anthony macki is Sam Wilson was just fantastic, Like it
felt like I was watching like a live performance, Like
that's how good he was. Like pulling off these line deliveries,
and I think what you like to your point, Dylan,
it really makes the Mark Ruffalo performance just look like
so flat in comparison, because they do have a lot
of scenes together in this episode.
Speaker 5: So yeah, for the most part, I thought it was fantastic.
Speaker 2: I this is one that in the trailer I was
looking forward to, but like, I don't know, I didn't
think it was gonna hit as well as it did.
But I thought it was a banger way to start
the season. And uh yeah, I really really dug it.
The whole explanation of like how it happens. I feel
like that doesn't really bother me at any point of
the what of series because it's just like, well, what
if this happened? And then I don't really need an explanation.
It's just like, well, yeah, okay, I guess what if
the Yeah, yeah, like what if he actually managed to
separate it? So for me, that didn't bother me at all.
But I can definitely see where you're coming from. But
uh yeah, for the most part, like I give that
was like two thumbs honestly, Like, I like, it was
such a banger start for me and maybe made me
think maybe the following ones weren't as hot as a
little preview there. But anyways, Yeah.
Speaker 3: It's so obviously we've talked a lot about how there's
been a lot of rumors of like a World War
Hulk storyline. Is that at all similar to what we
were seeing here? Is this like what that storyline is about?
I imagine that's not the direction they would go in
the MCU, And if they would, and they are planning
on still going that direction, like they wouldn't spoil that
by doing like a what if episode the same concept.
But it seems like it could be that kind of
idea where like Hulk like creatures kind of own the
earth and now they're going to live on this island
and could any point kind of seep back out there.
I'm guessing it's quite a different type of storyline, but
I guess it seems like a similar type of idea. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean, as someone that has like very little knowledge
about that actual storyline, my assumption is that it's not
the case. I assumed it's a lot more of maybe
smarter characters. I'm pretty kind of just pulling that from
like Marvel Snap and some other Hulk like characters that
I see, they don't seem that dumb, you know, like
or Hulkling is that his name, and like that guy
seems like he's got his wits about him. So yeah,
I don't know, that's kind of my uneducated thoughts.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and because I was also thinking about that too,
just because of how much of Captain America Brave New
World seems like it's going. Yeah, obviously Red Hulk is
in there. We've heard that the leader. I forget if
we've seen Montreila, but he's in there, and we and
even the girl from the first Hulk whatever's coming back
for that one, right, the love interest character.
Speaker 5: Or like that was a really yeah point too.
Speaker 3: So it's just like it's a lot of blending of
the Captain America, like the Sam Wilson Captain America with
the Hulk stuff, which is kind of what this episode
is too. So that's where I don't know, it feels
like they're once again like I don't know if this
is supposed to come out like ideally before like after
Captain America was supposed to come out in terms of
like how that storyline was supposed to work, And I
guess they just decided I wo whatever put it out anyway,
or maybe it's not related at all, but it seems
like there's an idea there of pairing up those two
characters and seeing some different variations on them. One thing
that really made me laugh is, uh, when when you
have I guess the Big Hole any when he's taking
out the Apex and he's like taking control of the
army and he like blasts someone like gamma juice and
then he just like breathes it back in. I don't
know why. I just could not stop laughing. It just
looks look so cheesy. It was so goofy those few.
I don't know if I've much else on oh, other
than just like, yeah, I guess the the Exodia like
Transformers moment of all of them like clipping together and
making the one super super Revenger Avenger assemble. I thought
that was it was great.
Speaker 2: I mean it's just yeah, oh feasting that.
Speaker 4: Uh cool? Uh This next episode, this one, I really
was just not. That one really pulled me out. Oh
the what.
Speaker 1: If Agatha went to Hollywood? I was I'm just clocking
out here now. I like the Agatha show. I thought
that was awesome, really really enjoyed it, but everything about
this was.
Speaker 4: Not doing it.
Speaker 1: I like the concept that you know, she had to
get the trying to do this spell and tried to
take the energy of the celestial inside the earth. Good
shoutouts to eternals. But other than that, like the Hollywood.
Speaker 4: Scene, I was just no, no, no, no, no, no no no.
Speaker 5: Uh yeah.
Speaker 2: For me, this is one that it started lower, and
I just kind of assumed it was gonna stay that
way throughout the whole episode, especially like I was saying,
like coming off of episode one, like holy fuck, this
is awesome. I'm gonna I'm the love of these major
threats that we're dealing with throughout this whole season, and
then this is just like going into Hollywood took me
back a little bit, Like some of like the song
and dances. I was just like, oh man, like I'm
checking the run time, like seeing how long it was
gonna be. I It's just gonna be musical episode the
whole way. That being said, it did actually transition into
a more enticing episode for me, especially when they deal
with like the celestial coming. I think I'm assuming it
is Catherine Hawn. It sounded exactly like her and I
thought she was just bringing it as always like she
really just felt like Agatha. And I think the idea
of what Agatha Harkness is she's.
Speaker 5: A very egotistical character, right, Like it's all.
Speaker 2: About Agatha that the show does a big point of
emphasis on that of what the character is. And I
feel like she pairs so well as a Hollywood character
because it's like actors can be known kind of snobby
and like just thinking that they should be in the Limeland.
I'm not speaking for all actors, but that's just like
the most stereotypical view of them, and I feel like
the character of Agatha actually fits that really well. So
when she's talking to Howard Stark and like, well, we
got to bring in an actor so that I can
outshine someone, right, like if I'm the only one there.
So like I feel like those traits fit the character
of Agatha really well.
Speaker 5: And the visuals of her.
Speaker 2: Becoming this like cosmic princess was just beautiful, Like I
just really love the look of all that. And yeah, no,
I thought it was good. I like the back and
forth between I never remember the gentleman's name actor King
King Go, but.
Speaker 5: Yeah, the actual voice.
Speaker 2: Yeah, another one that I'm assuming it was him. It
sounded exactly like him, so I thought him and Agatha
like it was fun to have those two together because
we haven't seen that in live action. So yeah, overall,
it ended up kind of surprising me by the end
of it. I did end up passing, and you know,
if it's XPEN ninety seven, i'd probably give this one
like a solid thumb up. Like I actually really did
end up liking it, even though it started not that hot.
Speaker 5: So yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 3: Think you know, something we've talked about with What If
a Lot is that it seemed like, originally the concept
of this show is supposed to be like, Okay, we're
gonna take some moment that happens in the MCU movies
and like, here's like if there was a deviation here,
what could have happened instead? And that's not really what
the show has ever been. Like there's always one or
two episodes that explore that. In Episode three that we'll
talk about in a minute, starts out like that and
then it kind of just veers in totally different direction. Yeah,
but I think this is like the case of like, yeah,
sometimes they're just doing some crazy concept that has nothing
to do with anything you've seen before, no relationship between
these characters, and it's just some some wacky scenario. What
the hell, as Taylor was saying earlier, Yeah, this one
did not really work for me as much, and I
felt like, weirdly, it just felt like almost too similar
to the first episode in the way, like even when
you get down to the very end and you have
King Go who's just like a little guy compared to Agatha,
who's like a giant, like godlike creature at this point,
and he's just like talking her down in the same
way that Sam does with Hulk, it just feels like, Okay,
we're kind of doing a similar situation here, even if
like everything around it is very different. I do in theory,
I love the concept of this. I wish I could
have loved this episode, but unfortunate with you, Taylor, I
just didn't really enjoy the ride a whole lot. Although
I guess it was fun to see like Howard in
a different version Howard Stark, But yeah, not my favorite
episode of the batch.
Speaker 6: It was weird him just trying to like I think
he knew everything.
Speaker 1: He knew that well, he put his chips on her
being a witch and then they were joking about alien
and whatnot, like he knew what was going on but
was still cool with it. And I feel like her
turn from being a bad guy to good was just
way too rushed, all that kind of all that jazz.
And it was cool seeing her basically fight the celestial.
Speaker 4: That was really neat. But other than that, it's just.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I always appreciate seeing a celestial get bopped, you know,
just fuck the Eternals.
Speaker 3: A lot of Eternal is the representation this season? Yeah,
there is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it makes me well, no, I can't say, it
makes me wonder if Eternals too was scrapped. And these
are some of the storylines they were toying with. But
I'm sure there's probably a little bit of inspiration from
from what they were thinking they wanted to do with
these Eternals characters and then having some of that brought
into the what if scenario because I don't think we
got Eternals in the.
Speaker 4: Previous wet of seasons, did we? Not the first one,
at least not.
Speaker 3: The first first four Eternals even released.
Speaker 5: I believe.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll do.
Speaker 2: Some digging, Yeah, yeah, cool.
Speaker 1: We may move on, move on to what if the
Red Guardians stopped the Winter Soldier.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is this is what I was saying of.
Like to me, that's like a perfect moment in the
MSU timeline to grab that moment, and like if one
little deviation happened, how would that have changed the story
as it as it went forward? But like that's not
really what this is. Like you do change that one
thing and it spirals up and then it's really just
like a whole set of new characters. And you know,
Red Guardian had nothing to do with any of this
in the first place. So I don't know. I like
the I once again, I like the concept of this,
but then I think it just goes a direction I'm
not a big fan of. I do think there are
some actually really good like bromance moments between Red Guardian
and Winter Soldier, but for the most part, and once again,
I don't know if this is just the actor's name
who plays Red Guardian Harbor. Yeah, Like I don't know
if this is him or someone else doing doing the
voice here, But god damn, I just found him so
grating in this episode, like just going over the top
with the kind of Russian parody angle of it. It
just felt like it was so annoying. I just I
was I know, I'm hoping that'll be like a more
realistic character where this is more like animation bombasted crazy
over the top. He's being silly, but yeah, hopefully it's
a little more grounded and not I mean have so yeah,
the spread won't be just on the one character, so sure.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I did think it was fun to have Goliath in here.
I think that was that was a fun character that
we haven't seen in a while and we won't really
ever see. It was an interesting place to bring him up.
But voice by Laurence Fishburn too, Yeah, yeah sounded good.
So yeah, this this episode I definitely had its moments,
more so than the last two for me, but was
still overall just a little too grading to really enjoy it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think, uh, I don't know, We're gonna go
through all of them, but I think this is probably
the lowest on my list for the whole season. It
wasn't like necessarily terrible, but like you said, Dylan, I
did find the Red Guardian character quite grating here and
in my mind, like I was just thinking about the
next like appearance of him, which of course is thunderbolts,
and I'm like, oh, man, like I really like the
trailers of like the humor that was around that character.
But I am just hoping that, you know, we got
Elaina and like other characters for him to bounce off.
Speaker 5: It's not just the two. But uh yeah.
Speaker 2: It's also funny how you brought up like the idea
that what this show kind of was setting up to be,
at least for our thoughts or our view, which was
just taking a moment that like we know and like
just twisting it. And then of course that isn't the
reality because we get episodes like the last one, and
throughout the whole show it's kind of been like that,
and it makes me think of like maybe that was
their initial goal, but then they just had these different
ideas like ah, fuck it, let's just let's just throw
some of these almost filler like episodes, you know, in
the mix when we have this like contained story. And
I don't know if I would have like preferred that
being the case, because there is some goofy ones that
I actually do appreciate, but I guess we'll never know.
That's another what if in the in the real timeline,
what if the what if show was done differently. But
back to this episode, I thought, like you said, I
thought they had some good romance moments between the two
of them, but the most part I was just kind
of checked out. Sounds extreme, but this is definitely one
when it was, you know, in the wee hours of
the night, and I was starting to fade a little bit. Yeah,
getting a little bit sloggy to get through, but yeah,
I don't know.
Speaker 1: I like how you put it, Dylan, because you have
what one deviation that totally changes the course of action here.
In this case, Stark's parents stay alive and things become
very different, And I think the fact that Stark's parents
are alive at the beginning of this episode would have
actually warranted a very different outcome at the end of
this episode, where we see right Guardian actually with the
Avengers team. I don't feel like that would have been
the case had Stark's parents.
Speaker 4: Actually lived in that situation.
Speaker 1: I feel like all those events are very significant in
changing the dynamic here. But again, it's it's so minor.
It's not the case everything in between. I fucking hated it.
Speaker 4: It was just brutal. I couldn't stand it. I'm sorry.
Speaker 6: It was way too, way too much over the.
Speaker 1: Top kind of quirkiness, and I think this has had
a lot of potential. I was looking forward to seeing,
you know, Red Guardian and Winter Soldier kind of have
this dynamic with each other, but Red Guardian.
Speaker 4: Was just way too Red Guardian and that does.
Speaker 1: Make me a little uncomfortable thinking about The Thunderbolts. But
I think that there's enough other characters in The Thunderbolts
that it will actually help detract and pull down instead
of being like super Red Guardian centric. So I think
that that movie has that going for it. But here
within Leading the Charge.
Speaker 4: It was just a lot. It was It was a lot.
Speaker 1: But I really did like seeing all the different characters
in here, like Obadiah Stayin coming back as the rook
That was kind of cool.
Speaker 4: And then getting Giant Giant Man. Is that him?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Life, I always forget his actual like human name.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that was very cool and I was not
expecting that when he actually like activated his power suit,
that was really neat. But yeah, there's there's just a Again,
this is just like not the third one because I
like the first one, but the second one in now
for me, where I was just not feeling great, so
feeling really like holy shit, starting to yawn at this point.
Speaker 3: Unfortunately, one thing that and this might be nippicky based
on like what you were saying earlier, Kirkland, I'm like, oh,
this is the idea of this is that it is
different scenarios and we don't need to buy in all
of it. But one thing that really bothered me was
that Winter Soldier it could just like override his mind
wiping with like the power of friendship. It just seemed
like that's so opposite of what that character is, and
like it's like if he could he have done that
the whole time in the MCU, if he was just
like a little bit, if he had a bit of
a better friend or something. It just felt a little
too goofy. So that was one thing I didn't like,
And I don't really know what the solution around that
would be for writing the episode, and I think ultimately,
like what they did, it's probably the right call just
say ah, we're just gonna ignore that and say that
he could he could override that, but I don't know
that's something that you know, to my head, can and
that's not possible. He can't can't do it that easily, So.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's fair.
Speaker 2: That one's a little bit harder to pal it, especially
because it's like, are you just saying that him and
him and Steve just weren't good friends?
Speaker 3: Yeah, it wasn't enough friend.
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, our next episode what if Howard the Duck
got hitched?
Speaker 5: Discuss? Yeah?
Speaker 2: This one another one that honestly, as as it went on,
I ended up liking it more. I thought it was
going to be a big dud at the start of it,
especially coming off last episode. Again, this is getting into
the wee hours of my watching experience, so I was like, Okay,
this is gonna be the one that I pass out
on for sure, But I actually stuck to it, and
I did end up in enjoin the Howard Duck dynamic
with I was gonna say kat Danian's that's not her name,
what that is actor's name?
Speaker 5: That her character's name is Darcy. There you go.
Speaker 2: I actually liked the two of them together in a
weird way. I feel like Howard the Duck for me,
I don't I feel like he's an overrated character.
Speaker 5: I feel like I just don't really care about this guy.
Speaker 2: Awful movie and just the significance of what the character
is for the greater MCU, I just don't feel it.
Speaker 5: He just seems like a bit of a.
Speaker 2: Weird side pretty weak Marvel snap card too. Yeah, I've
never even had him in a deck before, so there
you go. That goes to even cards that are terrible
that I really like, I'll throw them in a deck,
but Hower the deck has never made that transition. But
by the end of it, like, I think it just
had enough humor in here that wasn't like over the top,
like slapsticky humor like it it fit the overall tone
of what the episode was. I like the different moving
pieces at play of like our threats that were chasing them,
and uh yeah, like it's not gonna be my favorite
episode by the end of it, but I still ended
up enjoying it. I love seeing Loki in here. Sounded
exactly like Tom Hillson. Maybe I'm just you know, I'm
in the snowboarding vibe. So we go to like Yotan
ski village and I ended up really liking all that stuff.
So yeah, I overall honestly thumbs up for me.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I gotta say like this one for the
same reason as the Agatha Hollywood one, like just kind
of a crazy scenario that I'm in theory not into.
But I kind of loved this episode. I guess I
just found the writing to be much funnier. Maybe it's
because it was just an even more absurd setting with
like two characters that we already kind of accept as
being a bit like goofball type characters. So I don't know,
it really worked for me. I feel like, and that
kind of just because I like put my guard down
in terms of the seriousness for that episode. I was
it allowed me to really buy into like how goofy
all of the characters were, and like, oh, yeah, this
is just like a universe where things are extra silly,
even though there's like this big scheme going on from
all these different armies waging war over this this mysterious egg.
But like, I love that Loki stuff. I think that
is so funny. I just liked their relationship between Howard
and Darcia. I thought it was like very cute. I
love when they go on this Groundmaster tour, like that
whole dinner, breakfast, whatever time of day it was seeing
I thought was really funny. If he's like trying to
figure out the menu, but she's just looking up and
seeing what's happening. And when they first get there and
they're just talking about like all the activities that they're
gonna do on this like honeymoon trip, and they're like, ooh,
a couple's dive on vor Mir, Like that's that's such
a fun little callback. I really liked that one. And
then you have just seen like Casilius in here like
that was a nice surprise. I liked having him back,
you know. I don't think it was Mads Michaelson doing
the voice for this, but it was still cool to
have that character back. I liked having Nick Fury in there,
like Fury out doing his little teleport every time he'd
get out of there. Like Thanos being like a bit
more of a silly guy was funny as well. And
then Zeus, I feel like this is pretty fit fitting
for with seen of Zeus, but him coming in there
was was pretty good as well. So I don't know,
I just I just found this like rat race, like
Wild Goose Chase, Wild Duck Chase. I guess like episode
it was actually really fun for me. So I had
a good time with this one.
Speaker 4: So you know, you mean you talk.
Speaker 1: About letting guards down, Dylan, I should have kept mine
up because this was just not working for me.
Speaker 4: Again, I think.
Speaker 6: The cams are wonderful and I loved it, but the
story was just not there. I did not have any
engagement into Darcy and Howard having an egg together and
then everyone seeking after this because it was born on
this special alignment to the convergence and of the nine realms.
Speaker 1: Was not doing it for me. But that being said,
there was a lot of humor in here too that
I also was not appreciating. I did when Theenos and
the Black Quarder showed up, I was like, Oh, this
is so cool, But then they're being cheeky and like
giddy and just not that kind of serious thenos like
that I want to see, and I feel like other
iterations of thenos and previous what if shows, he's been
like that serious kind of that character, and again I
feel like, Okay, we're just getting into that over the
top kind of humor. Again, I thought it was it
was funny with the ski village, but I also thought, oh,
that's just not That's not what I'm I'm digging. But
then I had to think back, like Okay, this is
the universe with Party thor so maybe everyone is just
in this weird kind of state of mind where there's
just like party party, just not like their heads all
not really in the game, like even the Black Order,
like oh we found the song group on, Like are
you fucking kidding me? I don't need to see the
Black Order talking about group on and shit, And was
staying at the ski resort like, oh my god.
Speaker 4: That was just that was too much, too much.
Speaker 1: So I wish that I could say I like this
is that the only thing I really liked was seeing
the whole clash of characters, the Dark Elves and then
seeing Zeus and seeing the Black Order Fattos and all
these different armies kind of clash, but their motivations and
the fallout of that just was not really there for
was I was not enjoying it as much.
Speaker 3: What do you think of, like just the whole parental
storyline of those two and their dynamic just given that
they're you know, first time parents, something I'm sure pretty
relatable for you in your current life.
Speaker 1: You know, the only thing I could relate to them
as is that their first time parents too. It's the
only thing the rest, No, not so much so as
there's not much I could really pull.
Speaker 5: Ah.
Speaker 4: So yeah, that's that's about it, fair enough.
Speaker 3: Yea.
Speaker 1: Our next episode is what if the Emergence destroyed the Earth?
Speaker 3: Mm hmm, yeah, this is This is another scenario similar
to the Red Guardian one where I think this is
this is a really interesting multiverse situation where like, yeah,
what if instead of that that Celesti'll just popping out
of the Earth instead just crack the whole Earth and
split everything up. Now, I don't know if it makes
sense that the Earth is still like kind of held togethernough,
it's like fractured. It don't really buy into that so much,
and there's still is like kind of an Earth. But
I think it's a cool idea nonetheless, And I guess, yeah,
this kind of this episode is really what kicks off
the I don't know, I guess just the second half
of the series, which feels like it's kind of more
closely like interwoven story for the most part. Yeah, there
there's some fun stuff in here. This is what I
mentioned too, where it's like, man, it's weird, have re
re iron Heart here when I feel like, man, this
this is supposed to come out like after that show,
and we were supposed to have a closer bond with
that character perhaps, and because we still don't really know
much about her, like of course she was in Wilkonda Forever,
but that was a very dense movie with a lot
of characters and a lot of storylines going on. So
the timing of it feels a little bit weird. I
wonder how I'll feel about this. I kind of in
retrospect after watching that show, which do we even know,
like when it must be coming out twenty twenty five, but.
Speaker 5: I thought it was really stay on twenty five.
Speaker 3: But let me because that's just been like in the
can for a while, right, Like they're just kind of
I don't know why it's taking them so long to
get it out of the door.
Speaker 4: June twenty twenty five, fourth.
Speaker 3: So coming up sooner than I thought.
Speaker 2: M h.
Speaker 3: And then I think I was kind of in kind
of out on the whole Mysterio thing. I love Mysterio
as a character, but this wasn't really my mysterio. Just
like the fully corrupt evil like Pealpa.
Speaker 5: Teine is more like a watcher if anything.
Speaker 2: It was tripped me out I'm like, is this like
a weird version where like he have glowing eyes and everything.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no hair and all that. But I think there's
some good moments in here where get you know, snow vision,
first time we've seen in him back in a while.
So I think this was a well done episode for
the most part, I think it was. It was decent,
and it's definitely a step above like the first half
being kind of just the crazy what I of scenarios
and like more silly and goofy. For the most part,
this felt like, Okay, we're a little more serious, little darker,
and I think it was actually pretty successful at doing
that for the most part, and really getting the moment
where their watcher kind of intervenes in a bigger way.
Is I mean, it's a big moment and it kind
of leads to the rest of what we have going
on here.
Speaker 5: Yeah. No, absolutely.
Speaker 2: I feel like I like the vibe of this episode
more than anything of just the dark, like basically a
post apocalyptic setting where you have like these little resistance
groups like working underground, Like I just like the setup
of that, especially parents some some superhero characters, and I
feel like Reby Williams just fits that so well, at
least the version that they used for her here. Yeah,
I don't really know much about the character yet because
we haven't been privy to the information as of yet
in the Sacred Timeline, But she was a badass here,
like I thought she she had a good attitude about her.
I like the there's some like darkness under the surface
of the character, even before we really get time to
unravel what that is. Like you could just see by
how she portrays herself. She's she's tough and like she
just seems resilient. So if we get something like this
and in the other version like I'm I'm I'm down,
I think I'm hyped about that.
Speaker 5: So uh yeah, I like to set up. I like
the darkness of this episode.
Speaker 2: I liked our villains, seeing like just snow Vision as
like an unstoppable villain is just I know, it's very
ultron like, but it just felt different in a way.
Whenever you have a character that just floats around like Superman,
like I just I think that's so badass. Mortal Kombat
characters do that and it just feel like it just
exudes power. And that's how it felt like when he's
just going down the hallways literally like just slow pace
but just floating, going right into gunfire and just popping
off in these guys.
Speaker 5: I was all for that.
Speaker 2: I was eating all that juice up. So yeah, I
really dug this episode, even though, like you, Dylan, I
was really looking forward to Mysterio in this season, but
I just didn't love this version. Something that I loved
about Far from Home Spiderman Far from Home is the
whole twist on like everything kind of being mind gaming
and illusionary, you know, like the whole mystery, the whole
mysterio twist in that movie, which doesn't hit the same
on a second viewing. So it was nice to kind
of get a surprise like that in this episode because
I just think it's it's I don't know. Illusionary magic
is always interesting in different ways that they use it,
you know, big fan of that in the Elder Scrolls game.
So mysterio would be he would be a master illusionary wizard,
you know.
Speaker 5: If he was in the Older Scrolls realm.
Speaker 2: But yeah, no, I really dug this episode.
Speaker 6: Holy smokes, this episode was fucking awesome.
Speaker 1: This is where it finally after three and it started
to turn around for me.
Speaker 5: This is all one binge watch too, you just like.
Speaker 4: This is all at like two am. Oh yeah, yeah,
tripped a fan just sitting there like this isn't good.
And then it turned around like, oh yeah, I just
I was back in it.
Speaker 1: Before I get in my thoughts, I'm gonna jump to
a quick ad break and we're back. So yeah, as
I said, tripped a fan was kicking in and I
was just not feeling it.
Speaker 4: But this was just the bee's knees.
Speaker 1: I absolutely was digging it because it just this is
such a dystopian kind of universe that was hit worth it.
It had that level of eternals with the eternals failed
and the celestial event occurred, and then you get into
the fact that Mysterio took over Stark Industries and built
like this the Iron Faction or whatever he calls it,
and it just is like running the planet. It's like
that is so fucked up and so crazy, and he's
still rocking his illusions. And then you have the ragtag
team of survivors and the Alliance that are still left
together with Wong always good to see Wong, Valkyrie and
a Koyeh and Ying Nan that was the other character
I don't recognize that as Sung Chi character. Yes, guardian
of tallow Lee's sister and Sung cheese aunt.
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, right, I'll do it. Sounds a little familiar.
I have not watched that Shunkchi in a while, so.
Speaker 4: That yeah, but very cool that.
Speaker 1: The Yeah, they brought these characters in and I just
I think, yeah, seeing a snow vision back in action,
very terrifying. Like he said, he's floating around all being
casper like as one calls him.
Speaker 4: But some very very cool stuff.
Speaker 1: And Ruy Williams, Yeah, we don't know a lot of
her character yet. Like you mentioned, Dylan, it was very
much a condensed kind of addition into the Black Panther sequel.
But with her here and her just getting kind of
the spotlight and getting to shine, that was pretty cool.
And I love that they were just going around Thor's
boat too.
Speaker 4: That was so random.
Speaker 3: Yeah, every part of the career.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, very very neat though, so I appreciate
all those little things.
Speaker 4: And I like how too we.
Speaker 1: Get to the Watcher kind of intervening here and you
get to see, okay, this is the start of his
sort of semi downfall in a way, I guess redemption arc.
I don't know what you would call it. He's been noticed.
So I thought that was a lot of fun and yeah,
it was just it was, it was, it was all
around a good time. This was definitely a super superb.
Speaker 3: Do you guys think that ree iron Heire's gonna be
a very big character going forward? Like you know, we
can point out a lot of different we episodes where
someone really takes the main stage, like even Kohori doing
some crazy stuff, and it's like, I don't know, I
don't know if they're gonna promote that character. We haven't
even seen her live action, but like, I don't know,
I just felt like they made a big deal of like, Okay,
in all these universes, all these multiverses, she's always kind
of like the last chance and of course she always fails,
except for this time she finally does succeed. But I
don't know, kind of maybe wonder if this is a
character that they're really planning on making a bigger deal of.
And I don't know if things change from even when
this episode was being penned and animated up to it releasing,
just because we've seen so much now of like what
the next Avengers movies are going to be and it
seems like they're going back to formula does something extend
to try and cash in on some of the old
nostalgia rather than focusing on the new characters. But I
don't know, do you guys think this is any inclination
of where we could be going forward with Ironheart is
like a I don't know, a bigger deal part of
the Avengers, a crucial part of the team, a leader
at some point something like that.
Speaker 2: I mean, she has the ingredients to be with everything
that's shown and just the potential I think for what
they've set up in the character, even in you know,
the little time that we get for her and Willkonda forever, Like,
I still feel like she's got the seeds to be that,
Like why can't she be better than iron Man?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 2: Like wich is some of the potential that she has,
especially the age that she's access these things, it's way
earlier than what Tony would have had. So I think, yes,
I'm a little bit hesitant just because I feel like
I could have said that about every new character that
they've kind of added in the last phase, whether it's
America Chavez, like that's a super powerful character that we
haven't even seen, right Kate Bishop, you know, more Hawkeye level,
but still just like the charismon power that she could
be a leader, Like I think that she could be
a leader of the not even young Avengers, a Avengers team.
So I think, yes, all these characters can definitely be
that like an event, not just an Avengers two point
zero in the sense of it's a new team, but
like upgraded that much better. Like, I think the potential
is there. It's just a matter of them actually like
releasing something with these characters in so a little bit hesitant.
But if I had to say yes or now, I'm
gonna say, hell, yes, she can definitely be that nice.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that giving her kind of more of
that that position to lead is great. I know, I
don't know the fallout of Armour Wars or whatever they
were doing with that, because it was a show or
a movie whatever, That's all very convoluted to me. But
I feel like the whole storyline with war Machine has
kind of just kind of taken the back seat a
little bit after the Scrolls scenario. So I think that
giving Reary williams our lead is like our new kind
of Iron Man character. I think that's that's a good idea,
as long as our suit doesn't look so superbly cgi
like it did in Wakanda Forever. It just needs to
be toned down a little bit.
Speaker 3: Yeah, look a little better.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah cool. So our next one? What if eighteen
seventy two?
Speaker 3: Mm hmmm yeah? What was it? We got the other
like medieval one?
Speaker 2: Is?
Speaker 3: This? Is this? This? Have we got a third one
that I'm forgetting about? Another like just year thing where
they go back to some other sixteen.
Speaker 2: Oh two was the last one, and then in season
one there was none with a specific right right?
Speaker 4: Uh yeah.
Speaker 3: I actually really enjoyed this episode as well, or at
least maybe the first half. I think some of the
stuff towards the ending didn't really hit as hard as
I wanted it too. I mean, it's hard when you
only have half an hour to build up a whole
story and then like end it in a very satisfying way.
But in terms of the setting, I was really digging in.
I'm not necessarily a big Western guy, but I liked
the setting that we got here as fun to see
these versions of the characters and shunk Chi and Kate
Bishop as a duo. I thought was really really fun,
him being kind of the more fisticuffs getting up there
in their face, and her just back there just slapping
that revolver. Was a really really sweet combo. And then
some of the other freaks that we saw along the way.
At some point we saw Throg. I'm trying to remember
where we saw like a little screenshot of Throg at
some point, and I forget what the context of that was,
but like I said, I binged these episodes, but anyway,
it was cool to see Throg in there. And then yeah,
this is another situation where it's like, Okay, the Hood
is the villain. I mean not really, but the Hood
was relevant to the story. It's like, okay, yeah, we
haven't seen iron Hart yet where it's supposed to be introducing.
We're supposed to have a context for who that character
is in the first place. So a little odd there.
And then similar to Goliath in the Red Guardian episode,
like Sonny Birch coming back, Like, I don't know why
there's so much ant Man two representation. I think it's
just like the cycle of things. It's like we should
have been getting something based on ant Man three, which
of course they're not gonna do anymore. But I just
I wonder what the mc would look like if like
Disney Plus had existed at the start of the MCU
and we would be getting shows throughout it, and like
if we had been getting what ifs like after every
phase or something like that, I'm sure we would have
seen something. Maybe not with the Hood and shun Chi
and stuff, but we would have got more stuff with
those characters. But it's fun to have them back. And
Malton Goggins, I mean, it sounded sounded like him. I
don't know if it was him, but yeah, I don't know.
I had a good time with this episode. I think
it was. It was fun for the most part, and
then some of the yeah emotionality stuff at the end
didn't really work for me necessarily, But overall that was
a pretty fun ride to get there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this was this is like a Hidalgo glimpse. Hey, yeah,
we got some some of those in the episode. For
the most part, I thought this was a really solid time.
I really liked the pairing of shang Chi and Kate
Bishop together. Sounded exactly like Hayley Steinfeld, so I imagine
it was her, not so confident about the shun chie one.
But yeah, Sunny Birch, Walton Goggins, I feel like they're
just like Walton Goggins fits this western cowboy aesthetics so well.
So let's just get him in there no matter what,
even if it is a wild pole. So it fits
so well because even fallout right like, that's a pretty cowboy,
especially his.
Speaker 5: Character Apil eight.
Speaker 2: Yes, Django, he's a character Simmy Lou and Haley return
to there you Go, or a guy in the chair
coming in on the on the feeds. But yeah, I know,
I thought having the Hood as the threat of the
episode not necessarily. I was excited to just learn about
this character. I don't know if he's a hero. I
don't know if he's a villain. All I know is
he's a Marvel snap card and he's pretty cool card
at that.
Speaker 3: So the duck he's way above that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly so.
Speaker 2: I I've used him many times, having many different decks,
But I I just was looking forward to seeing kind
of more about what he was. Now that it's all
said done, I'm okay with it not actually being him.
It was like a little switch around there. He doesn't
seem like he's going to be like a big time
Marvel threat. So like, I don't know where you're going
to do that introduction of the character, but just the
whole aesthetic of his voice. Again I know it wasn't
actually him, but the voice aesthetic and just kind of
the fear what he is and just the hood, like
it's just such a badass name for like a villain.
So yeah, I like the whole setup, the what the
character was. I like the showdown between them and shunk
She before the reveal, But like you said, I don't
like the emotional send off at the end, Like it
just didn't didn't affect me really at all. But I
like the whole aesthetic of them and their cowboy gears,
like Kate Bishop's guns felt a little bit more pizazzy
kind of how she has her hawkeye aesthetic. So yeah, no,
I thought it was a good time.
Speaker 1: And yeah, yeah I thought, you know, this one wasn't
as hot as the previous episode for me, but I
still had a great time with it. This is cool,
just getting the different time period and just the clash
of characters with Kate Bishop and Sung Chi teaming up
together here, and then you get I guess that was Yeah,
that was John Walker's US agent, like cowboy guy, and
uh uh yeah, all these different different characters in here,
and then you get a little bit more kind of
going on with the Watcher kind of intervening again and
being noticed. So there's there's a lot that's fun to
kind of break down and pick apart with this episode.
Speaker 4: It's it's a good time and.
Speaker 1: I'm glad that the bar for me has been set
with that last one just because of how how crazy
they went and creating this alternative take. And this one
is cool because it just it just feels like it
fits in there. And uh it's you know that what
was established and sung Chi. You have those characters trying
to like go to uh I find a better life
in America, and then yeah, they like things go sideways
over the next few years for those characters because of
like slavery and everything that goes on. So it's just
it's it's a wild story that they kind of like
they tap into.
Speaker 4: So it's it's a good episode.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I wonder to the the kid I forget his
name in here, but he's kind of tag he's kind
of the tag along through this and maybe he's another
character like, oh, and then this sets up the next
generation of heroes that kind of thing. So I wonder
if that's a character that we'll see in live action,
if we ever get like shunk Chi two or something.
I don't really know where else he would pop up,
but yeah, I don't know. I wonder that seems like
a very intentional kind of character that they're bringing up
there when they normally just pull from people off the
bench that we've seen many times before. I guess we
don't have a ton of kids hanging around in the
MCU right now. I guess we actually kind of do
now the more I think about it. There are a
few kids that we've seen in recent times, whether it's
Thor's daughter or young the young King you know, will
come onto there. So I don't know, it seems like
purposeful they went for that guy.
Speaker 2: And also our young Avengers roster somehow exactly young Avengers
are Agings.
Speaker 3: Yeah, our thirty year old Avengers.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And then I I don't know why. It was just
like the animation his dad that he kept trying to
save to me just looked exactly Chris Pine, and it
was like, really weird me out. And it's like in
the light of stop. But I was like, your father
is Chris Pine? Is this Chris Pine's introduce direction to
the MCU, what's going on here? I was just very
confused by all that, but ended up not being the case.
Speaker 5: I'll take them. I love Chris Pine.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm.
Speaker 4: Uh cool. So our next episode, what if the Watcher disappeared? Discuss?
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's definitely setting up to like the big finale,
and like I, I just loved this episode. I thought
it was I kind of see these as like a
part one part two for the finale and the sense
of a being so combined. So I might accidentally cross over,
so I apologize if I do at some point, but no,
I I really like the build up. I like the
I like our team, like our our main really think
about it. But it's kind of like an all female roster.
Hey for this, for this badass pairing, we got Birdie
the Duck, which uh cookie in a way reminds me
of like a kooky version of Rogue.
Speaker 5: I think it's like the hair, the eighties hair, and
just like some.
Speaker 3: Over one line, I thought it was rogue for a couple.
Speaker 2: I'm glad she said who she was because like in
the earlier episode and we have like the baby version,
I'm like, who the fuck is this character? Like are
they gonna say your name? But yeah, here we are.
Later on we get her in the same season, so
I was happy about that. And I like the dynamic
of her with everyone else. I think everyone has pretty
good chemistry together, and just like they all seem like
such a big power up for like a big threat
face off, which is what you need, you know, to
take on the Watchers. Clearly they weren't enough. They had
to call in the backup, which this was. This was
the sequence where I was like scanning up off my couch,
like I was just so hyped to be getting Infinity
Ultron back. That was probably my favorite like just moment
throughout the entire show, like including all the seasons. I
think even over like the strange stuff, maybe I can
make be debated that like back and forth, depend on
the day, Maybe I like the strange stuff a little
bit more. But I just think for what like Infinity
Ultron really was on a scale, It's like a it's
like a Dragon Ball Z level threat of like a
power level, Like it's just incalculable. How how powerful that
character is. And I just love how how we like
that's who we're calling here, and uh, they're just mentioning
how like in other multiverses, like yeah, no, he'd really
just defeated everything, and he's just chilling. He's just on
standby mode because like, what else are you gonna do
when you conquer the entire known existence? So I like
what we call upon here. I feel like his whole
like switch to the good side might have been a
little bit easy. So maybe that's a little bit of
a grievance. I we didn't really see it kind of right,
He's just like, oh, I defeated everyone on board, so
I guess I'll I'll save life.
Speaker 1: So like a little bit isn't He hasn't faced a
watch her before those maybe was the kicker for him, but.
Speaker 2: Like he's like protecting life, right, He's like, now that
I've done all this, I was seeking out peace, but
you can't have that without whatever the line was, I'm
already paraphrasing it. But then he just mentions how like, yeah,
now I have to like save life. And I don't know,
like maybe I misread the situation, but it just seemed
pretty easy. I was just happy to have him there,
so I didn't really care what the reasoning was. But yeah,
that was a nice surprise for me. And he like
absorbs the whatever shard I can't remember the name of it,
and he just gets even more powerful, Like I just
love the.
Speaker 5: Idea what this character is.
Speaker 2: It A good shout out to Crystal Skull there Indiana Jones,
But yeah, no, I like this character in a what
if scenario, Like it really hard to have a character
like this in the live action just because he is
basically beyond a god like level of power. But for
the what If series, I loved him in season one
and I'm happy we had him back here, and yeah
it was.
Speaker 5: A good guy turn.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Overall, I thought this was a really As much
as I didn't really love this series as a whole,
I think this was a really great two part conclusion
to it. I like, just as a whole, I think
this is yeah, did a really good job of you know,
we've seen the other Watchers ish but like yeah, fine,
like really it's just been ut too who've seen as
a character and even having like the switch up. Now
this might be episode eight once again, it might be
bleeding bleeding the things together here, but like switching and
having like the other Watcher do the introduction of the show,
like just explaining like what the concept is. I thought
was really interesting and a cool little creative take and overall, yeah,
I just I loved the team that we had here, Storm, Coahory, Peggy,
and Bertie. Like Bertie just being a new character for
me as well was really fun. And like, man, Natasha
Leone as the as the voice of Bertie kind of crazy,
Like it's a pretty big star you would have thought
they would get, you know, since this isn't like a
crossover with the live action, it's pretty crazy that they
got her to do this. And like when I first
saw her or her her and I was like, oh
is that Rogue, I'm like, man, what a great casting
for Rogue. I think that would be an interesting take
it they did that in like the live action, I
feel like we've all kind of theories that make go
like much younger for the X Men route. So I
don't know if she would be the case if she's
pretty here, but I thought it was an interesting combination.
Then realize that she's playing a different character, but it
still kind of works for me. Anyway, Yeah, I really
liked that crew, I really like the story around it.
I think it was just really really well done just
two part finale. So I don't know how much more
I want to say about, like specifically episode seven, because
I feel like, yeah, it really is more of kind
of introducing the team, introducing these characters and their dynamics,
setting up the Ultron stuff, and then we kind of
kick over to episode eight. But yeah, I thought this
was like just overall really really great two part finale.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this was definitely a highlight. I really enjoyed it.
It was a lot of fun. Getting to have that
Ultron character back totally caught me by surprise, and just
how the uh yeah, the Fifth Dimension kind of just
gushion and all these things kind of coming into play here.
There was a lot of really cool stuff and seeing
this kind of the Captain Peggy Carter team that's just
kind of like the I guess you have the multiversal
kind of like police Force or something like that. I
guess you could call them just very very cool and
just get in the classic characters.
Speaker 4: It definitely threw me for a loop when we had
oh god, I forgot her name already Bertie Bertie. Yeah,
just popping in here because I was thinking, yeah, okay,
who is she?
Speaker 1: And yeah, that's okay, that's a quick character from what
we saw.
Speaker 4: A few episodes ago.
Speaker 1: And yeah, I think I think the the action was fun.
There's a lot going on, and it was really just
a cool concept just to bring in Yeah, Ultron, he's
already juiced up on the Infinity Stones, and he's juiced
up on like fifth Dimension material and just all around
juiced up. And yeah, it was just what a desolate,
like depressing situation when they appeared.
Speaker 4: There and he's just like just standing there like just.
Speaker 1: What's left, you know, like there's nothing, nothing to really
engage with or do anymore. And you're right, Kirklan, his
turn was pretty quick.
Speaker 4: But I guess I can. I can let that slide too, though.
It's not not the end of the universe for me. Yes,
So we got the finale number eight what if? What if?
Speaker 3: Is that what it's called? I don't it's it's crazy. Yeah,
I guess the interesting this kind of starts. Rather than
like picking up right off the cliffhanger, we go do
a little origin story of u wat to getting inducted
into the Cult of the Watchers whatever you want to
call them there, uh which which was I think it
was kind of fun to see, but it was also
like we skipped so much of his origin. We don't
really see where he comes from. I guess his power,
any of this really works. It's kind of just his
first day on the job, so to speak. Uh So,
I don't know, it was still interesting to see because
obviously you don't want to do like a half an
hour origin story in the finale of the season or
a sea easy, right, That's not the nicest thing to do.
So yeah, I think this was more just the crazy
kind of battle episode after we kind of got all
the setup from episode seven, and I think it delivered
in that way, like once again that crew is so fun.
They all get their new their new suits, and then
they go up against the Watchers and that's similar you
you mentioned dragon Ball Z earlier, Kirklam, Like this was
just DBZ level battles, planets exploding flying around, everyone can
do the like dragon Ball flying smashing into each other,
huge orbs flying everywhere.
Speaker 4: It was.
Speaker 3: It was a really exciting battle episode, which I think
sometimes is a weaker thing for me, And what if
some of the action stuff doesn't always hit, but I
think it really did here. Which is the best time
to have it hit?
Speaker 5: Yeah? Yeah, no, absolutely.
Speaker 2: Actually, one thing I forgot to mention episode seven was
the shifted intro. I really dug it wasn't it was.
I wanted to say the Enticer, but that's not his name.
Speaker 5: Hell was his name?
Speaker 2: The the the eminence?
Speaker 5: There you go.
Speaker 2: I knew it was an easy entice or I kind
of like that more. Maybe that was the other guy.
Uh but yeah, no, I I really like this, like
the setup of.
Speaker 5: Just kind of the origin of the Watcher.
Speaker 2: I feel like it was just revealing some questions I
never really thought to ask about how someone even becomes
a watcher or like what is just yeah, like what
what it takes? And although we didn't go through the
whole trials and boot camp, but what a watcher does.
I just like the dialogue that they that they shared
in those moments just kind of sets up the significance
of just watching, just being a voyeur essentially on the
on the the entire existence, and it just adds a
little bit more meaning. I think Touatu's decision to not
just watch and actually intervene and even even at the
end of the episode when he's speaking again to you know,
the good old Heer and and just yeah, revealing I
don't know, just some things that he didn't really see.
How they're watching so much, well they're watching everything, but
like sometimes even those that are watching can just miss
out on some.
Speaker 5: Of the beauty that exists.
Speaker 2: So I just thought it was a touching little end
back and forth there. And something that kept tripping me
out in this episode was when Uatu was just like
with the other people and when they like suit up
and you just have the watch with these like purple
gauntlets and like they're kind of bobbleheady looking guys, so like,
so like when they were all like like together, I
don't know, it just seemed like his scale of his
body was like normal with everyone else, but his head
was just still so large. It seemed like when you
get like big head mode, you know, an old video game.
Speaker 3: And even during battle, like their heads and next don't
really move, like their whole bodies are flying around their
heads somehow stay completely.
Speaker 2: It felt like a like I don't know, like a
snapchat filter or something at the times. So that just
kept kind of getting me but for everything else, like
all the action. I like the setting too, of when
we were in that kind of in between realm where
the Watchers are kind of remind me of like the
end of Interstellar, like how that kind of looks with
just the different shapes and stuff, Like they're just clearly
in a different realm of existence.
Speaker 4: So they're behind the bookcases.
Speaker 2: Behind the bookcases. Yeah exactly. But yeah, I thought it
was a really solid way to not only just end
the season, but the end the whole show altogether. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Cool, this episode was. Yeah, the action was fantastic. I
was eating it all up.
Speaker 4: This is great them.
Speaker 1: Like there's different levels of this series where I feel like, Okay,
we all were all familiar with Avengers, and then they'll
go above and beyond where it's like, okay, now we're
not just dealing with Avengers. This team is like something
else like Avengers or whatnot. But then we got here
like the Mighty Avengers and all that. Like I like
when they have leveled up and it's like a whole
like an upgraded roster, and so they're already a very
cool team, but when they get juiced up and like
take the Oath of the Watcher and become like heightened beings.
Speaker 4: It's like that that was so cool.
Speaker 1: Then you got the Eminence, uh, the Incarnate and the Executioner.
They're all like sacrilege like ah, and it's like, fuck,
like this is just so cool. Like this guy Yatu
is just spilling your fucking secrets that are sold to
all these people and just using them against you. It's
it's so awesome and I was just I was eating
it up. It was it was super super cool. And
the fight scene was just like the whole episode. It
was so long and it was great. And when they
like I didn't you guys are talking about how they
got their heads don't really move, their next don't really move,
and so that when they're fighting, like it's just so
weird to see them actually fight, Like when they relinquish
their robes and they just have like armor on. They
got like Fanos style like gauntlets on their hands and
these celestial weapons.
Speaker 3: I love their weapons. They were so oh so cool.
Speaker 4: It was very cool.
Speaker 1: So when they were fighting too, it was just yeah,
just like the fists ya too, and I'm assuming the
executioner one of the other guys. It was just like
just like full on crazy fists, going like nuts. So
that was that was awesome. But yeah, everything that was
happening was just it was so crazy. And then you
got Peggy that's just you know, being as noble as ever.
And I thought that it capped off in a really
great way where you have them in strangers universe and
they can't use their powers here and just like look
up to the stars and you hear that subtle musical cue.
Speaker 4: It's strange. It's just like creeping down in space watching them.
Speaker 3: Super cool moment, Super cool.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was great.
Speaker 1: I guess it's a shout out to the Ultron. He
gets bopped pretty hard. He says this is what he
was programmed for, which I feel like, is any kind
of robots like you know you're gonna die moment, But
you're just like, like, do you think him saying this
is what I was programmed for relinquishes everything that he
everyone that he murdered and killed, Like.
Speaker 2: Definitely not my he was programmed murdered everyone, So that's
what he's doing here. Yeah, I have to murder these
watchers and then I'll murder these people that took me here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but pretty crazy when they just he just got killed.
And I love how that scene transitions too. As soon
as they cracked his head, Uh, this is right when
our group basically had the idea, Okay, we need to
get the Strangest Universe. And as soon as they cracked
Altron's head, yachts He's like, it's too late, and then
they just like appeared in it.
Speaker 4: In the ship like no more running, and then they
just casting them out. It was just so great.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a good showcase of just like we
see Ultron literally take out all of existence and then
he's doing he's souped up, now he's got the shard,
and then he's doing everything he can against the U
the Enticer here, and the Enticer just stares him down,
walks right up to him and yeah, just grabs his
little skull.
Speaker 5: So I thought it was an epic moment.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think there's there's just a really good job
of capping off everything that we've seen in the show
to this point, like taking some of the highlight moments
and the strongest being that we've seen across these different
worlds and kind of having that culmination moment with the
Ultron and Strange stuff just really cool. And I don't know,
did you, guys. I feel like the way that they
ended it also kind of like left the door open
if they wanted to do another seasons, So I don't know.
I wonder if during the making of this if they
knew this was going to be the final season, or
if they kind of have decided that since then. I mean,
they could always just bring it back if they want to.
There's nothing stopping them if it makes big numbers or something.
But it's always hard to tell with a streaming show
like this, like how is it doing relatively a movie
in a box office that's much more cut and dry
to see, right, But yeah, I feel like they still
kind of left the door open, even if they did
a really good job of maybe not tying up every
loose end, but like the most important, the most substantial
ones that matter mm hmm.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like the pieces are there for them to pick
it up they want, but they still kind of close
the chapter on the Watchers in that situation. So yeah,
it was it was a smart way to do it,
because if they end up wanting to pick it up again,
it's not like they have to start from scratch and like,
remember that story, Well, this is another version of that
that they can just build upon still get Uatu in there.
Speaker 1: I think that these characters too, that they've kind of
focused on over these past three seasons, I think that
they've built this little sandbox up enough now that they
could probably pull from that and put into live action
at some point. And I mean, when we saw Peggy
Carter in Doctor Strange Twoards of Madness, that was exciting because, like,
we already saw her in in What If, so we
know it's not the same Peggy Carter obviously, but it
was still cool to see a variant that we saw
on What If appear there. And so I think that
there's a strong chance that those other variants will pop up,
uh in live action.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I guess like technically the show will kind
of live on. Do you think we're still getting zombies?
Is that still happening?
Speaker 4: Yes, zombies is still happening.
Speaker 3: I like to hear how confident you are in that.
I don't know if I trust. I don't think i've
heard any development stuff on this.
Speaker 1: Scheduled for October twenty twenty five, Okay, it supposed to
be a four episode series. Cool and yeah, so I
guess that in some way that will kind of continue
one thread that we got from this show, so we'll
see if other stuff happens too. But yeah, Also that
the Spider Man thing that played at the top of
episode eight, I think that little Spider Man teaser.
Speaker 3: Is that a new thing? I feel like I have
not seen that clip yet or did you guys get the.
Speaker 5: Start of episode eight? I skipped fast that.
Speaker 3: I think, Oh there was a little like trailer, like
a little minute is it for show? Yeah, Freshman Year?
So I don't maybe that trailers happened and I just
missed the newscast when we broke it down, but I
had not seen that clip before.
Speaker 1: They did just drop a trailer for Freshman Year like
this week like on YouTube.
Speaker 4: Oh okay, yeah, so maybe that's oh.
Speaker 3: Like maybe after this finale, like they kind of paired
it with the finale and then just maybe.
Speaker 4: That's what they did. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Animation style, I mean it looks similar to what if.
It kind of has like a low frame rate like uh,
Spider Reverse, but not quite as high qualities. We'll see
how that goes, but yeah, I'm sure that'll be fun.
That's it then of January. That's kind of sneaking up
on me. To be honest, I didn't think that was
coming out. Yeah, so soon quick, Yeah. I think the
only last thing for me is just kind of like
talking about some of those funny images we saw at
the end. They kind of freaky hybrids. But you finally
got you finally got your boy.
Speaker 1: Hey yeah, hopefully not his only representation in the MCU
Samurai ghost.
Speaker 4: Rider, Oh my god. Oh we like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, fired Katana the horse and everything like that. That
was so so sick.
Speaker 4: Why did we not get a wet IF episode with that?
That's just you bastards.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's funny because they some of these episodes really
kind of veered off of things that have even occurred
in the mc so it's like, what's stopping them? I
don't know. Maybe we'll see him like Ghostar. It seems
like a perfect Zombies type of character to pop up.
But is that because all the other characters seem to
be like blended versions of two characters. Was that Silver
Samurai and Ghostwriter or was it just a Ghostwriter Samurai version?
Do you think because we saw like a Thanos Wolverine,
we saw it with like a Jubilee Silver Serverer, which
was crazy that's.
Speaker 4: A good point.
Speaker 1: Actually, I mean from what I from what I had found,
it didn't seem like that was really the case, like
the description, but I mean maybe.
Speaker 4: I mean it fits. It totally fits, And you're right.
All of these characters that they showed are basically combinations
of other cure.
Speaker 3: There was like a Hulk Strange or a Hulk Long
or something like that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's super sick.
Speaker 1: Actually, when I think about it, do you have anything
else you want to show it?
Speaker 4: On that Kirkland? You want me to read through the list?
Speaker 5: Keep going, No, I'm ready.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 1: We got really Reary Williams as Punisher, so instead of
being Iron Hart, she's got high tech weapons, all that
kind of stuff, punish her symbol Spider Man with six arms,
special serum like O of his powers and ended up
developing eight limbs instead.
Speaker 3: Okay, so it's not him in Spiral, the Great Spiral
who we've seen in the I don't think so.
Speaker 4: Moonnight Blade variant, which just sounds so cool, fits very well. Yeah,
a black half mask and a white costume, glowing white eyes.
We got Gomora the Witch. Gamora's appearance.
Speaker 3: Really fast, so I didn't catch every one of these.
Speaker 1: They went by really freaking fast wasp Miss Marvel, so
it's like Kamala Khan and Jene Van Dyne combined together.
Speaker 3: That was one character that I'm like, interesting, Miss Marvel
didn't pop up because she wasn't in season two either,
was she?
Speaker 4: Why do I think she was?
Speaker 2: I don't recall if she was, I don't think so.
Speaker 3: But yeah, that was one that really surprised me that
we didn't get her, considering we got like so many
other people from these phases, or at least like representation
from a lot of the different movies and series and stuff.
I'm just gonna in Mon's like IMDb because I feel
like it.
Speaker 4: No Captain Marvel, but no Miss Marble.
Speaker 1: Yeah anyway, sorry, Uh Kingo in the Iron Man suit.
Speaker 4: That's pretty sweet.
Speaker 1: Uh they labeled this as Maestro Hulk, but that's what
you were showing out there, Dylan with Hulk wearing like
the cloacal levitation Howard the duck that was rocking like
Scarlet Witch kind of garb, which is very cool.
Speaker 3: Damn, I gotta watch the scene again. I missed some.
Speaker 4: There's a few extras here that I missed because we
got the Dazzler.
Speaker 3: Silver surfer, you believe, but Dazzler, Okay.
Speaker 1: Dazzler, Yeah, Demonic Hawkeye, it's like a demon hawk gy wear,
like a purple suit, like a demon like head.
Speaker 4: A Scraull Captain America. That one was cool.
Speaker 6: M m.
Speaker 4: There was a deadpool.
Speaker 1: I make like tons of like a whole bunch of
weapons and stuff like that. A Circe and Dane Whitman
we're seen dancing together in the finale montage.
Speaker 3: That's from The Eternals.
Speaker 4: And who Who's Dane Whitman? Is that kid Harrington's character?
Speaker 3: Oh? I think it is?
Speaker 4: It is? Okay, that's neat. So they were.
Speaker 1: They wore costumes that reflective fashion nineteen twenties, nineteen thirties
saying or Sung Chi is star Lord. That's a very
cool variant white scarlet, a variant of one of Maximov.
But she's wearing a red and white costume.
Speaker 4: That's kind of cool.
Speaker 2: Nice.
Speaker 1: The Lady Loki saw that one in there as well.
And then a young Hella.
Speaker 4: Okay, I think that's all that I was able to.
Just a young hell, a young hell for all, like
a wild mash up.
Speaker 5: It's like adolescent.
Speaker 4: Well, they need more kids, right, that's what they're looking
for it. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I love the aesthetic of all these definitely some of them,
like I just pulled up while you were going through them,
because I definitely missed a lot of these. I feel
like I only releasaw Spider Man. I did not see
two years younger Hella. But I like, especially like the
whole one where he's got like the just the mystic
arts going off. It just reminds me of like when
you have like a world of warcraft, like an Orc
Warlock or something. It's just like the same as that.
Speaker 5: I just liked it.
Speaker 3: One question for you guys. So the obviously the whole
point of the Watchers the rest of Watchers going against
Uatu is that he kind of broke his oath and
he started intermingling with these worlds a little bit. And
so we saw that where he whispers down to rear
to fight back essentially, and then at the end they're
talking about all these other times that he's intervened. And
I didn't really like the Madison joke. It was kind
of a funny callback, but I felt like the scene
was very serious. I don't know if we needed that
particular one thrown in there. But I just because I
don't have the greatest memory at all, just generally speaking,
do we see other moments in the previous seasons of
his intervening, because I'm guessing they were referencing like one
or two that we saw when Altron.
Speaker 1: Became like super super aware and could like see through
the veil into the fifth dimension and see the Watcher.
The Watcher kind of brought the heroes from different universes
together to fight him.
Speaker 6: Right right, And I don't put that blame.
Speaker 1: I like that should not be like, if he's got
a list of like issues and like things that he
did wrong in that court, that should not be brought
up to to like put against him. Because the watch
the Watcher got saw Altron got so powerful. I fucking
saw the guy so and your name is clear.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like I wonder how the other ones feel about that,
because it's like they're just trying to defend themselves. Really
at that point, it's like I just got to assemble
the strongest people that I've seen in all my all
my days watching. But yeah, I was wondering just because
all those references of times that he's intervened didn't seem like, Okay,
well we haven't seen all of those, but we've seen
some of some of them, and I was getting a
little confused. But more of the story is that he
kind of went against it multiple times, not just that
one time with Rey was kind of a culmination of things,
and then I guess this time it was just a
bigger deal. It was like had a bigger butterfly effect
and that's why they had issues with it. So it
was cool, though, I like that the whole story line
is really interesting.
Speaker 1: I don't think it helps either when Peggy Carter just
pops up there like I'm gonna save or save them
and like you're supposed to be no one. The Watchers
don't have attachments, and he's like, well I am someone.
Speaker 3: Like I am.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I want to So.
Speaker 3: I can see why they did this as an animated
series at the end of it here, because I imagine
this final episode. This is the last two episodes in
live action on the volume. Yeah, crazy, So I can
see why they did it this way.
Speaker 4: Mm hmmm, yeah cool.
Speaker 1: Uh, well, you guys want to just close closing thoughts, ratings.
Speaker 2: Closing thoughts. I'm really glad that this existed. I yeah,
I think this is a great thing that they did here.
I pretty much just.
Speaker 5: Want more of it.
Speaker 2: I'm kind of sad that's coming to an end for
the season. I feel like if they didn't try to
make it such like a contained like story with the
Watchers want to and all that stuff, like this could
have been like a twenty seven season plus show of
right of just doing like random what if scenarios that
are just like, well, this happened differently, and then we
tell that tale and it's and it's not overall contained.
Since they did do that decision, I feel like if
they went longer, it could have probably just caused more
issues and like been a harder overall story to Palette.
Speaker 5: So yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2: It's three seasons. I think it's okay. Even though I
was liking it so much, I would have wanted more.
But yeah, I know, I'm really digging some of these
setups because it just seems like when you go on
like I don't know, like fan art of like what
would have Matt, Like what would it be like to
have I don't know, Hulka's doctor strange, Like we didn't
get that episode, but we least saw like the images
for it. So I just liked this for those reasons,
and I kind of sad thinking that we won't ever
get more of that. So I am hoping that even
if we don't get another what if show, we get
something similar at some way in a Disney Plus setting.
So yeah, no, I I really really dug it. I
can't remember if we numbered seasons or anything. I was
giving a lot of thumbs up this this episode, So
what do you what are you doing there, Taylor?
Speaker 5: Are you thinking with those eyebrows or no?
Speaker 6: I was?
Speaker 4: I was.
Speaker 1: I was sure where you meant, like if we numbered
the seasons, and I was like, well, there's seasons one,
season two.
Speaker 3: Let me let me help.
Speaker 2: Out like number number ratings, and if we did, I
would put it below season one. I can't remember what
I gave those numbers, So if I had a rank them, yeah,
season one, season three, and then season two would be
the order that I would choose.
Speaker 5: But good time, good time talking about with you guys.
Speaker 3: I just had a thought. So of course, every year
we do an MCU draft where we draft characters that
are going to appear and stuff. I know where you're
going with this, Like, Taylor, you have Punisher on your list, Like,
are you getting a point for this screenshot we got
of like a punisher variant, or it's gonna get complicated quick.
Speaker 4: Because I got iron Heart on there too, don't.
Speaker 3: I Taylor does not have iron Heart. Sorry, I hate
to break it too. I think we all knew that
it got delayed, so I don't think anyone picked iron Heart,
but Kirkle and you have Dazzler, So Dazzler. Yeah, I'll
think the points. I had Scarlet Witch. I guess there
was like a variant of her that kind.
Speaker 4: Of Howard ducks Scarlet Witch.
Speaker 3: And they asked anyone had Howard uat Travis at Well,
I mean obviously wat is in there. Oh man, Yeah,
that's gonna be very complicated. However we calculate that, calculate
it distracted by that.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Final thoughts for me, I think that it's interesting, like
from the very beginning of the show, and it seemed
like what they were doing more was season one, I
would say, and we didn't really see more of this
until season two. Is that this show isn't just eight
random episodes of random things, like it is a interconnected series.
That is that was always kind of careening to this
particular moment where it ended here, where it kind of
brought a lot of things together. Now, there are still
a lot of loose three left out there, certain storylines
that we aren't getting or things like that. And obviously
we still technically have zombies, which is going to be
a continuation of an episode from season one, which is
kind of awkward that we didn't get anything of in
season two or three, Right, So technically, I guess what
if if you count zombies in there as like a
what if scenario that's just getting its own four parter.
This series hasn't even really ended yet, But I think
it's really bold and a much difficult, much more difficult
thing to write, to create a show like this that
is much more ambitious than just crazy little one off scenarios,
but is instead trying to connect a lot of the
threads and along the way they do or don't. And
even like Howard the Duck thing that was kind of
a random, funny little episode, but then it turned out
that it led to like Birdie, who we don't really
see Birdie growing up or whatever, but we see that
Birdie's like a huge part of the finale here, so
it kind of comes together in a weird way, and
we're getting characters from like that Peggy was from season one,
Storm I guess was not from anywhere. This is her
first appearance, right and coreyous extent, So yeah, I guess
I yeah, not wrong, not wrong there.
Speaker 4: So I don't know.
Speaker 3: I think that's that is a difficult writing challenge, I'm sure.
And I think the fact that they kind of stuck
the landing. Now once again, I have not watched season
one or two in a while, so it's like, I'm
sure if I did, i'd be like, oh, well, here's
all these loose threads that they left open. But I
think they did a really impressive job. And as far
as this season, I don't know. Maybe it's a recency bias,
but I do think it's probably my favorite season. I
didn't love season two so much. I'd probably go season three,
season one, season two in terms of my order. And
I think the best thing for the season is that,
like all the best episodes were in the back half
for me, with the exception of the Howard episode, because
I did really enjoy that one as well. But yeah,
like it just had a really solid back half, and
that's a great thing for a show to end for
if you want to consider this a serious finale once again,
Zombies kind of makes that throws a little wrench in that.
But overall, had a good time with this. What do
I want to give it? For a number for this
and maybe give it like a I'd probably got a seven.
Maybe that seems low, but I think it's just not
really my cup of tea. But even though it isn't,
it still managed to tell an interesting, unique story and
had some good laughs along the way. So there you go.
That's my final thoughts.
Speaker 1: Oh yes, uh, this had some It had some highs,
but it had too many lows for me, So I'm
definitely not very positive in the overall season three. I
think there's a lot of stuff that you could probably skip,
But it's tricky to say that because it is one
moving forward to COHESI moving forward cohesive narrative, and so
you don't necessarily want to skip because you're gonna miss
certain things and backstories on certain characters that are introduced.
Speaker 3: You could skip episodes one, two, and three.
Speaker 5: Yes, yes, season one, come on.
Speaker 4: Episode Oh I thought you said that would be.
Speaker 6: There's a lot of.
Speaker 1: Good stuff that season one is for me, that's the
the Beasnyes. That's my number one at the top of
the list, and then season two I'd probably put it second,
and then season three will be there, so it's it's
a fitting numbered list for me right there.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna probably go after Cirkling system.
Speaker 5: You're too kind. I was just gonna say, I.
Speaker 2: I feel like you you love season one, season two,
season three, and in this episode you're making a point
of so like the humor was really taking me out
of it. I feel like you just haven't rewatched season
one season two because like throughout the whole show, they
they definitely have that goofiness, uh sprinkled throughout. Maybe maybe
the season has a little bit more, but I definitely
feel like it wasn't too much off the needle in
the sense of being goofy, but probably just recently it's
probably just been grading on you. You don't have been
bother you that much. Season to bother you a little
bit more. Season three, here you are. You're like, fuck
these jokes. I'm so dumb with this.
Speaker 4: After having a kid. It just turned me into a
bitter asshole.
Speaker 3: I can't take it anymore.
Speaker 2: Smoking a cigarette watching the season every like joke. You're
just getting more and more mad crushing beers throwing them at.
Speaker 4: The at the TV movie Shine. Maybe the Moonshine, Yeah,
the Moonshine.
Speaker 1: I should rewatch the season one and two actually and
get an updated gauge.
Speaker 4: On that, especially now that we're finished. It's kind of
more of a start to finish kind of watch.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I think overall my rating is probably i'd probably,
I'd probably go After talking with you guys, there were
some positives. I go a five out of ten because
there was stuff I enjoyed, But there's a lot of
stuff I just really was checking out for and I
wasn't really engaging with that at the end of the day.
Seeing what we got at the end of this episode
and all of those potential variants just knocked it out
of the park for me. And that is something I
would have loved to have seen more of instead of
a lot of the stuff we got here, like cruises
and eating eggs and are like group bonds and all
that kind of stuff that's just not doing it, And
so that's unfortunate that we don't get a lot of stuff,
mainly Samurai Rider that's uh fuck Smaid potential greatness, but
just got too short handed too soon.
Speaker 2: So yeah, do you wish you didn't even see it,
because now it's like, well, fuck, they had the design,
they it clearly could have done a whole episode about it.
Speaker 3: He'll pop up in zombies.
Speaker 4: Maybe we'll pop up in zombies.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, they got the They took the time
to design all of those characters and do all of that,
and so maybe there's something in the future that they
could do. I'm not expecting like an eight part animated
series of Samurai Ryder from Marvel Animation, but that would
be pretty nice.
Speaker 4: I'd take it or give me.
Speaker 3: Uh well, I mean.
Speaker 1: They can always take that and utilize it in another
animated form. There was a lot of not Defenders Midnight
Sun's characters. I felt like in here we didn't get
any like Werewolf, but we got like Punisher and like
Moonnight Yeah, or Strange and all these different versions of that.
Speaker 4: So it'd be cool if they did.
Speaker 1: Like an animated variant of Midnight Suns or something like that,
just for fun.
Speaker 2: But you just reminded me when you said Defenders the
boy in the Western episode, is that not Iron Fists?
Because at the end they say he's got fists of iron.
Speaker 3: Oh, I totally missed that.
Speaker 5: I could not. You forgot about it until right now.
Speaker 3: I mean it's not the one I'm familiar in terms
of name.
Speaker 5: I guess, yeah, I'm like Danny something is his name, and.
Speaker 3: Danny Wren is that, Yeah, the one in the like
Defenders Netflix show.
Speaker 2: But there's different Like okay, like I'm sure there, it's
like a ghostwriterer thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, probably Young Fan Is that a young talented fighter
who is implied to have a connection Iron Fist via.
Speaker 4: A totally line.
Speaker 3: I think that might be.
Speaker 2: I thought you were asking us, but you were like
posing it in a very uh dis vertical article.
Speaker 3: I think that was his name, wasn't it in here?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 1: In Marvel Comics, Young Fan is a predecessor of Danny
Wren and the Iron Fist Man right On first appeared
in Immortal Iron Fistnber seventeen, and he served as Iron
Fist in eighteen seventy eight during the wh was.
Speaker 5: We were talking about that?
Speaker 4: That's a good poll, super grateful?
Speaker 3: Cool?
Speaker 1: All right, So well there you have it, iron Fist.
We'll be back in the new year five with more wonderful.
Speaker 4: Geek First stuff, so stay tuned.
Speaker 2: Best heiriet yeah, best, yeah, bestiot.
Speaker 1: I'm sure we got lots of stuff like Golden Geeks
and movie previews and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 4: Or did we do the movie preview? We did that
with Travis a long time ago.
Speaker 3: Didn't know it's in the can, Taylor, it's in the can? Yeah,
sorav you got to do a game preview though, so
maybe okay, cool?
Speaker 1: Well, thanks again everyone, have a good New Year's and yeah,
see you in the search bar.
Speaker 3: So yeah,