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Speaker 1: Hello, ladies and gentlemen, Welcome back to another episode of

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geek Verse podcast. I am one of your hosts, the

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Riding Samurai Taylor Field, and I'm joined.

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Speaker 2: By I am the Watcher, Watching the Watcher, watching Kirkland Patzer.

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Speaker 3: I am Dyling the Duck. How's it going, Gardner?

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Speaker 4: What?

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Speaker 3: I don't say my last name? It kind of throws.

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Speaker 2: Off and ironically one of the funniest names I think

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you've ever had, dial in the Duck.

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Speaker 3: I don't know, just shortens literation.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, doing by your nicknames if you hadn't guess. We're

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here to review our non spoilers and spoilers of What

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Speaker 1: I can't wait to discuss that with you guys. But

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Speaker 4: What else do we got cook and we got reviews

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Speaker 1: We did an asp Rattu, and we got Skeleton Crew

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Star Wars, we got Creature Commandos that's gonna be wrapping

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up soon. I think we're nearing the finale for that

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penultimate I think is coming up. And then we also

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got Dexter that we're also deep diving into Original Sin.

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So lots of stuff all over the Feed's a great

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way to cap off the twenty twenty four year with

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Speaker 4: Dylan, what do you got cooking? You got some side

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Speaker 3: Oh, the meanest brew of side Batch, our side Quest

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is the bat greenest batch of side Quest is ready

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to go, So I'm all over the place today. Game

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of the Year episode has just dropped as of Tuesday

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here New Year's Eve, so check that out. It's me

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and Kirkland and then Taylor makes a cameo appearance as well.

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So if you want to hear our Games of the Year,

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no better place to go than checking that out. Episode out?

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Speaker 1: Nice, nice, nice, anything you got Kirkland September fifth review

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or anything?

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Speaker 2: Uh no, I'm only gonna do the one September fifth review. No,

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nothing cooking as we creep into the new year.

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Speaker 5: But yeah, cool.

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Speaker 1: All right, Well let's get into our non spoilers thoughts

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for for what if? And I mean, who wants to

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take it away? Because this this is quite the quite

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Speaker 3: I'll grab that multiversal baton. Uh yeah, I think I've

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always been very mid on what if. And honestly I

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couldn't even if you ask me right now, quiz me, trivia,

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question me, like, what are the episodes from the first

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two seasons? I don't know. I think I maybe get

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twenty five percent of them, right maybe, Like I feel

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like it's kind of in one ear out the other

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to some extent, just because it's not really my vibe.

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I don't love the writing. I don't love that, like

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fifty percent hit rate of there's some actually like really

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interesting story stuff going on, and then you also had

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couple of years ago in terms of the kind of

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characters that it's highlighted to some extent. But then also

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the holidays, like they did last year, I guess, and

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final season of What If, So overall I kind of

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bringing together a lot of the storylines that we have

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had a decent time with this, And yeah, I did

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not watch a day day. I binged it hard. Thank

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you Kirkland for hitting me up with some credentials for

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Disney Plus and I'll send you blast through all of

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Speaker 5: Yeah, awesome.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I'll pegeback where you stop the piggyback, I guess.

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the run time being short, but just actually yeah, runtime

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what what if was. I was very, very hype for

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that season one release, and I just love the show

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from the get go. Looking back on it now in

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Speaker 5: Not that far behind. I really really like this season. Yeah.

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trying to like bring every story that was done throughout

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main heavy hitters for at least this like collective story

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celestials like that are a big deal, but like this

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overall MCU very well, and a show that I'll definitely

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a good season and I actually really liked the animation style.

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and sometimes it's like a little bit too bright. But

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really like that aesthetic. So yeah, overall, definitely big thumbs

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bit wilder on some of the what ifs, I am

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still happy with what we got.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I I I really love the WTFS show. I

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think it's great season two. I had a blast with

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that in season one. Season one, especially with like all

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the alternative characters and different storylines, it was really really exciting.

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Speaker 4: Of course, there's a couple of duds in there, like

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Speaker 1: For the most part, a lot of the characters and

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storylines I'm so so game for. It's fantastic, And so

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Speaker 4: I just binged it. I did not follow it like

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Speaker 1: Because I thought, Okay, this would be much more exciting

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this season just felt like Party four just expanded and

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Speaker 6: I thought, there's there's way too much comedy going on in.

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Speaker 4: Here, and not to not.

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Speaker 1: To compare, but I've seen people other people make comparisons,

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and so that's what made me think, like, well, you

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know what, the other writing is very different. Obviously, it's

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different universes and different franchises when you have Creature Commandos

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it's not to interpretation for everyone. This is just my

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Speaker 6: I don't know, like what like instead of what if?

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Speaker 4: It's like, what the fuck?

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Speaker 1: I guess this is what like I would say, I.

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finale episode when they were kind of closing that out

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and we'll highlight that later. I thought, holy fuck, like,

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of that instead of the weird stories that we got here.

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Speaker 4: But it is what it is, uh And that's uh yeah,

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Speaker 1: So anything else you guys want to add before we

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get into some spoilers, I think not, Okay, well, we're

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gonna take our quick first. Abreac won't be right back

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and we are back. So where do you guys want

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Speaker 3: Should episode by episode?

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Speaker 4: Sure?

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Speaker 1: Uh, first episode that we got is what if the

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Hulk fought the Mech Avengers.

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Speaker 3: I mean, throw right back at you, Taylor. I feel

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gotta be the Kaiju Marvel Kaiju Battle? Is this one

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of the episodes that you enjoyed?

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Speaker 1: I thought I would like it too, but it didn't

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really sell me on it, Like I'm not. I feel

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like I'm getting.

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Speaker 4: Too hulked out right now with with the she Hulk

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and the Red Hulk and now.

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Speaker 3: You're not Scar Scar's coming.

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Speaker 1: I need a little more Scar. Scar was in this episode.

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This be a ten out of ten, This would be great.

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But I thought there were some cool beats in here,

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and this is definitely one that I enjoyed watching.

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Speaker 4: It is very Godzilla.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Kaiju oriented like you said, but the giant Mech

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suits I wasn't. I'm not super super into that. I'm

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not like a Gundam kind of guy. I don't even

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know if people are operating those or how that works.

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But I don't know anything about Gundam. But it's just yeah,

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it's fun. I think it was neat.

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Speaker 4: How Bruce was trying to.

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Speaker 1: Rid his his Gamma Hulk whatever. But I feel like

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that's a storyline we've seen so many times him trying

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to deal with it and axe it, and so he did,

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and then it created this weird Kaiju version of that

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that could like gremblin out these other versions of himself

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or something like that.

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Speaker 4: And and yeah.

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Speaker 1: Again it's a cool whatd of scenario because the Avengers

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die and you get the like the extra side Avengers

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that come in to try and save the day and whatnot,

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and just Bruce turns into like the giant Apex creature thing,

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which I don't know if that's actually from the comic books.

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Speaker 4: I've never seen this Hulk version before.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, I guess some of these are would be

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or and some of these wouldn't. Like Kahori is like

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a new character to the like this was her introduction

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and whatever, right, so I guess some of those stories

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would end up being a bit different. But maybe that's

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when they grabbed from a certain comic book run. Yeah,

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I think this this one, I didn't really care much

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for the story of it. I think the big part

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of is like that's once again what if thing. I

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don't know if Mark Ruffalo was the voice here or

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if it was someone that there was a really good impression.

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phoned it in.

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Speaker 4: Like I don't.

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Speaker 3: I don't feel like there was much gusto in the performance.

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I think sam Anthony mackew, which that did sound like

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very much like him as well. I think he did

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a better job there, and I bought more into some

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of the lines that he had. But Ruffalo really felt

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like literally just out on his cell phone, called into

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the booth and like got that recorded and just like

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went on his merry way. And also it feels like

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did that make any sense for him? Like, Okay, this

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gamma situation is a problem. Let me blast myself with

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more gamma radiation than ever before and see if that

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fixes it. It seems like super risky maneuver, But yeah, I did.

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I did. Like some of the people we got, like

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shung Chi, who's you know, a big, big part of

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this whole season, and then Moon Night. He didn't really

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get to do a whole lot and we didn't really

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get the fun Moon Night isms of him, but it

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was still cool to see, you know, I guess it

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was more expector version in there. So yeah, I liked

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this episode enough just for like the fun, crazy scenario

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of it. But yeah, it's not when I'd rewatch it,

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not a story that I'd look back on too fondly.

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Speaker 2: I fucking love this one. I thought it was amazing. Yeah,

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I'm not really a Gundam guy, but I am a

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big Vultron fan, and this felt a lot more like

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Vultron in the sense of them actually like combining and

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making like one like megasuit that's a big thing in Voltron,

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so always five of them, and it's just like a

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different limb essentially that they that they assemble. And I

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love the design of the Max. I also just felt

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like some of the camera shots made this feel so epic,

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Like there's a lot of low shots looking up and

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it just made the giant creature and all of his

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lackey's just look that much bigger and like the scale

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of it. I just, yeah, I was vibing with all

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of the action that this episode had. I thought, Yeah,

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Anthony macki is Sam Wilson was just fantastic, Like it

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felt like I was watching like a live performance, Like

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that's how good he was. Like pulling off these line deliveries,

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and I think what you like to your point, Dylan,

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it really makes the Mark Ruffalo performance just look like

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so flat in comparison, because they do have a lot

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of scenes together in this episode.

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Speaker 5: So yeah, for the most part, I thought it was fantastic.

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Speaker 2: I this is one that in the trailer I was

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looking forward to, but like, I don't know, I didn't

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think it was gonna hit as well as it did.

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But I thought it was a banger way to start

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the season. And uh yeah, I really really dug it.

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The whole explanation of like how it happens. I feel

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like that doesn't really bother me at any point of

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the what of series because it's just like, well, what

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if this happened? And then I don't really need an explanation.

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It's just like, well, yeah, okay, I guess what if

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the Yeah, yeah, like what if he actually managed to

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separate it? So for me, that didn't bother me at all.

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But I can definitely see where you're coming from. But

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uh yeah, for the most part, like I give that

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was like two thumbs honestly, Like, I like, it was

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such a banger start for me and maybe made me

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think maybe the following ones weren't as hot as a

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little preview there. But anyways, Yeah.

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Speaker 3: It's so obviously we've talked a lot about how there's

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been a lot of rumors of like a World War

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Hulk storyline. Is that at all similar to what we

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were seeing here? Is this like what that storyline is about?

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I imagine that's not the direction they would go in

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the MCU, And if they would, and they are planning

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on still going that direction, like they wouldn't spoil that

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by doing like a what if episode the same concept.

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But it seems like it could be that kind of

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idea where like Hulk like creatures kind of own the

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earth and now they're going to live on this island

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and could any point kind of seep back out there.

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I'm guessing it's quite a different type of storyline, but

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I guess it seems like a similar type of idea. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I mean, as someone that has like very little knowledge

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about that actual storyline, my assumption is that it's not

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the case. I assumed it's a lot more of maybe

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smarter characters. I'm pretty kind of just pulling that from

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like Marvel Snap and some other Hulk like characters that

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I see, they don't seem that dumb, you know, like

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or Hulkling is that his name, and like that guy

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seems like he's got his wits about him. So yeah,

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I don't know, that's kind of my uneducated thoughts.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and because I was also thinking about that too,

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just because of how much of Captain America Brave New

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World seems like it's going. Yeah, obviously Red Hulk is

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in there. We've heard that the leader. I forget if

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we've seen Montreila, but he's in there, and we and

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even the girl from the first Hulk whatever's coming back

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for that one, right, the love interest character.

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Speaker 5: Or like that was a really yeah point too.

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Speaker 3: So it's just like it's a lot of blending of

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the Captain America, like the Sam Wilson Captain America with

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the Hulk stuff, which is kind of what this episode

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is too. So that's where I don't know, it feels

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like they're once again like I don't know if this

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is supposed to come out like ideally before like after

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Captain America was supposed to come out in terms of

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like how that storyline was supposed to work, And I

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guess they just decided I wo whatever put it out anyway,

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or maybe it's not related at all, but it seems

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like there's an idea there of pairing up those two

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characters and seeing some different variations on them. One thing

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that really made me laugh is, uh, when when you

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have I guess the Big Hole any when he's taking

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out the Apex and he's like taking control of the

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army and he like blasts someone like gamma juice and

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then he just like breathes it back in. I don't

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know why. I just could not stop laughing. It just

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looks look so cheesy. It was so goofy those few.

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I don't know if I've much else on oh, other

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than just like, yeah, I guess the the Exodia like

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Transformers moment of all of them like clipping together and

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making the one super super Revenger Avenger assemble. I thought

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that was it was great.

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Speaker 2: I mean it's just yeah, oh feasting that.

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Speaker 4: Uh cool? Uh This next episode, this one, I really

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was just not. That one really pulled me out. Oh

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the what.

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Speaker 1: If Agatha went to Hollywood? I was I'm just clocking

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out here now. I like the Agatha show. I thought

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that was awesome, really really enjoyed it, but everything about

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this was.

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Speaker 4: Not doing it.

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Speaker 1: I like the concept that you know, she had to

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get the trying to do this spell and tried to

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take the energy of the celestial inside the earth. Good

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shoutouts to eternals. But other than that, like the Hollywood.

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Speaker 4: Scene, I was just no, no, no, no, no, no no no.

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Speaker 5: Uh yeah.

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Speaker 2: For me, this is one that it started lower, and

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I just kind of assumed it was gonna stay that

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way throughout the whole episode, especially like I was saying,

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like coming off of episode one, like holy fuck, this

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is awesome. I'm gonna I'm the love of these major

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threats that we're dealing with throughout this whole season, and

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then this is just like going into Hollywood took me

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back a little bit, Like some of like the song

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and dances. I was just like, oh man, like I'm

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checking the run time, like seeing how long it was

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gonna be. I It's just gonna be musical episode the

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whole way. That being said, it did actually transition into

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a more enticing episode for me, especially when they deal

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with like the celestial coming. I think I'm assuming it

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is Catherine Hawn. It sounded exactly like her and I

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thought she was just bringing it as always like she

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really just felt like Agatha. And I think the idea

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of what Agatha Harkness is she's.

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Speaker 5: A very egotistical character, right, Like it's all.

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Speaker 2: About Agatha that the show does a big point of

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emphasis on that of what the character is. And I

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feel like she pairs so well as a Hollywood character

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because it's like actors can be known kind of snobby

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and like just thinking that they should be in the Limeland.

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I'm not speaking for all actors, but that's just like

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the most stereotypical view of them, and I feel like

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the character of Agatha actually fits that really well. So

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when she's talking to Howard Stark and like, well, we

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got to bring in an actor so that I can

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outshine someone, right, like if I'm the only one there.

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So like I feel like those traits fit the character

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of Agatha really well.

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Speaker 5: And the visuals of her.

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Speaker 2: Becoming this like cosmic princess was just beautiful, Like I

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just really love the look of all that. And yeah, no,

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I thought it was good. I like the back and

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forth between I never remember the gentleman's name actor King

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King Go, but.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, the actual voice.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, another one that I'm assuming it was him. It

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sounded exactly like him, so I thought him and Agatha

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like it was fun to have those two together because

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we haven't seen that in live action. So yeah, overall,

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it ended up kind of surprising me by the end

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of it. I did end up passing, and you know,

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if it's XPEN ninety seven, i'd probably give this one

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like a solid thumb up. Like I actually really did

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end up liking it, even though it started not that hot.

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Speaker 5: So yeah, yeah, I.

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Speaker 3: Think you know, something we've talked about with What If

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a Lot is that it seemed like, originally the concept

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of this show is supposed to be like, Okay, we're

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gonna take some moment that happens in the MCU movies

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and like, here's like if there was a deviation here,

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what could have happened instead? And that's not really what

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the show has ever been. Like there's always one or

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two episodes that explore that. In Episode three that we'll

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talk about in a minute, starts out like that and

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then it kind of just veers in totally different direction. Yeah,

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but I think this is like the case of like, yeah,

475
00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:53,359
sometimes they're just doing some crazy concept that has nothing

476
00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:56,160
to do with anything you've seen before, no relationship between

477
00:20:56,160 --> 00:20:58,880
these characters, and it's just some some wacky scenario. What

478
00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:01,480
the hell, as Taylor was saying earlier, Yeah, this one

479
00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:04,039
did not really work for me as much, and I

480
00:21:04,079 --> 00:21:07,079
felt like, weirdly, it just felt like almost too similar

481
00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:08,640
to the first episode in the way, like even when

482
00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:10,400
you get down to the very end and you have

483
00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:13,480
King Go who's just like a little guy compared to Agatha,

484
00:21:13,519 --> 00:21:16,680
who's like a giant, like godlike creature at this point,

485
00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:18,759
and he's just like talking her down in the same

486
00:21:18,759 --> 00:21:20,880
way that Sam does with Hulk, it just feels like, Okay,

487
00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:24,319
we're kind of doing a similar situation here, even if

488
00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:27,759
like everything around it is very different. I do in theory,

489
00:21:27,799 --> 00:21:29,119
I love the concept of this. I wish I could

490
00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:31,119
have loved this episode, but unfortunate with you, Taylor, I

491
00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:34,559
just didn't really enjoy the ride a whole lot. Although

492
00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:36,000
I guess it was fun to see like Howard in

493
00:21:36,039 --> 00:21:40,440
a different version Howard Stark, But yeah, not my favorite

494
00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:41,160
episode of the batch.

495
00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:44,759
Speaker 6: It was weird him just trying to like I think

496
00:21:44,759 --> 00:21:45,559
he knew everything.

497
00:21:45,599 --> 00:21:47,440
Speaker 1: He knew that well, he put his chips on her

498
00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:50,240
being a witch and then they were joking about alien

499
00:21:50,279 --> 00:21:53,160
and whatnot, like he knew what was going on but

500
00:21:53,279 --> 00:21:55,200
was still cool with it. And I feel like her

501
00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:57,319
turn from being a bad guy to good was just

502
00:21:57,440 --> 00:22:00,799
way too rushed, all that kind of all that jazz.

503
00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:04,359
And it was cool seeing her basically fight the celestial.

504
00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:07,480
Speaker 4: That was really neat. But other than that, it's just.

505
00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:11,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, I always appreciate seeing a celestial get bopped, you know,

506
00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:12,319
just fuck the Eternals.

507
00:22:14,599 --> 00:22:17,200
Speaker 3: A lot of Eternal is the representation this season? Yeah,

508
00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:18,240
there is.

509
00:22:18,559 --> 00:22:20,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, it makes me well, no, I can't say, it

510
00:22:20,559 --> 00:22:22,519
makes me wonder if Eternals too was scrapped. And these

511
00:22:22,519 --> 00:22:24,240
are some of the storylines they were toying with. But

512
00:22:24,279 --> 00:22:26,559
I'm sure there's probably a little bit of inspiration from

513
00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:28,319
from what they were thinking they wanted to do with

514
00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:31,160
these Eternals characters and then having some of that brought

515
00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:33,200
into the what if scenario because I don't think we

516
00:22:33,279 --> 00:22:34,000
got Eternals in the.

517
00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:36,559
Speaker 4: Previous wet of seasons, did we? Not the first one,

518
00:22:36,559 --> 00:22:37,720
at least not.

519
00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:41,480
Speaker 3: The first first four Eternals even released.

520
00:22:41,519 --> 00:22:41,920
Speaker 5: I believe.

521
00:22:43,799 --> 00:22:44,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll do.

522
00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:48,880
Speaker 2: Some digging, Yeah, yeah, cool.

523
00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:54,880
Speaker 1: We may move on, move on to what if the

524
00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:56,759
Red Guardians stopped the Winter Soldier.

525
00:22:58,519 --> 00:23:00,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is this is what I was saying of.

526
00:23:01,039 --> 00:23:03,359
Like to me, that's like a perfect moment in the

527
00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:07,359
MSU timeline to grab that moment, and like if one

528
00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:09,960
little deviation happened, how would that have changed the story

529
00:23:10,039 --> 00:23:12,559
as it as it went forward? But like that's not

530
00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:14,680
really what this is. Like you do change that one

531
00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:16,720
thing and it spirals up and then it's really just

532
00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:19,359
like a whole set of new characters. And you know,

533
00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:21,079
Red Guardian had nothing to do with any of this

534
00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:23,559
in the first place. So I don't know. I like

535
00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:25,640
the I once again, I like the concept of this,

536
00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:27,160
but then I think it just goes a direction I'm

537
00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:28,640
not a big fan of. I do think there are

538
00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:31,880
some actually really good like bromance moments between Red Guardian

539
00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:34,440
and Winter Soldier, but for the most part, and once again,

540
00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:36,799
I don't know if this is just the actor's name

541
00:23:36,799 --> 00:23:41,119
who plays Red Guardian Harbor. Yeah, Like I don't know

542
00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:43,440
if this is him or someone else doing doing the

543
00:23:43,519 --> 00:23:46,079
voice here, But god damn, I just found him so

544
00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:49,200
grating in this episode, like just going over the top

545
00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:53,400
with the kind of Russian parody angle of it. It

546
00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:56,720
just felt like it was so annoying. I just I

547
00:23:57,160 --> 00:24:03,039
was I know, I'm hoping that'll be like a more

548
00:24:03,079 --> 00:24:06,119
realistic character where this is more like animation bombasted crazy

549
00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:09,039
over the top. He's being silly, but yeah, hopefully it's

550
00:24:09,039 --> 00:24:13,319
a little more grounded and not I mean have so yeah,

551
00:24:13,519 --> 00:24:16,160
the spread won't be just on the one character, so sure.

552
00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:17,039
Speaker 4: Yeah.

553
00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:19,839
Speaker 3: I did think it was fun to have Goliath in here.

554
00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:23,000
I think that was that was a fun character that

555
00:24:23,039 --> 00:24:24,680
we haven't seen in a while and we won't really

556
00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:26,759
ever see. It was an interesting place to bring him up.

557
00:24:26,799 --> 00:24:30,839
But voice by Laurence Fishburn too, Yeah, yeah sounded good.

558
00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:33,839
So yeah, this this episode I definitely had its moments,

559
00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:35,720
more so than the last two for me, but was

560
00:24:35,759 --> 00:24:38,799
still overall just a little too grading to really enjoy it.

561
00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:42,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think, uh, I don't know, We're gonna go

562
00:24:42,759 --> 00:24:44,240
through all of them, but I think this is probably

563
00:24:44,519 --> 00:24:47,039
the lowest on my list for the whole season. It

564
00:24:47,079 --> 00:24:49,720
wasn't like necessarily terrible, but like you said, Dylan, I

565
00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:52,279
did find the Red Guardian character quite grating here and

566
00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:54,240
in my mind, like I was just thinking about the

567
00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:56,799
next like appearance of him, which of course is thunderbolts,

568
00:24:56,839 --> 00:24:59,079
and I'm like, oh, man, like I really like the

569
00:24:59,079 --> 00:25:01,319
trailers of like the humor that was around that character.

570
00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:03,200
But I am just hoping that, you know, we got

571
00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:05,559
Elaina and like other characters for him to bounce off.

572
00:25:05,559 --> 00:25:07,960
Speaker 5: It's not just the two. But uh yeah.

573
00:25:08,319 --> 00:25:11,319
Speaker 2: It's also funny how you brought up like the idea

574
00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:13,519
that what this show kind of was setting up to be,

575
00:25:13,559 --> 00:25:17,119
at least for our thoughts or our view, which was

576
00:25:17,519 --> 00:25:20,359
just taking a moment that like we know and like

577
00:25:20,519 --> 00:25:22,759
just twisting it. And then of course that isn't the

578
00:25:22,759 --> 00:25:25,640
reality because we get episodes like the last one, and

579
00:25:25,799 --> 00:25:27,400
throughout the whole show it's kind of been like that,

580
00:25:27,559 --> 00:25:30,319
and it makes me think of like maybe that was

581
00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:32,319
their initial goal, but then they just had these different

582
00:25:32,319 --> 00:25:34,279
ideas like ah, fuck it, let's just let's just throw

583
00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:37,319
some of these almost filler like episodes, you know, in

584
00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:39,480
the mix when we have this like contained story. And

585
00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:42,559
I don't know if I would have like preferred that

586
00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:44,480
being the case, because there is some goofy ones that

587
00:25:44,519 --> 00:25:47,440
I actually do appreciate, but I guess we'll never know.

588
00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:50,240
That's another what if in the in the real timeline,

589
00:25:50,799 --> 00:25:53,839
what if the what if show was done differently. But

590
00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:56,680
back to this episode, I thought, like you said, I

591
00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:59,119
thought they had some good romance moments between the two

592
00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:01,279
of them, but the most part I was just kind

593
00:26:01,319 --> 00:26:05,359
of checked out. Sounds extreme, but this is definitely one

594
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:06,960
when it was, you know, in the wee hours of

595
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:10,000
the night, and I was starting to fade a little bit. Yeah,

596
00:26:10,079 --> 00:26:13,720
getting a little bit sloggy to get through, but yeah,

597
00:26:13,839 --> 00:26:14,240
I don't know.

598
00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:19,160
Speaker 1: I like how you put it, Dylan, because you have

599
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:22,200
what one deviation that totally changes the course of action here.

600
00:26:22,519 --> 00:26:26,160
In this case, Stark's parents stay alive and things become

601
00:26:26,279 --> 00:26:28,440
very different, And I think the fact that Stark's parents

602
00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:31,279
are alive at the beginning of this episode would have

603
00:26:31,279 --> 00:26:33,759
actually warranted a very different outcome at the end of

604
00:26:33,759 --> 00:26:36,160
this episode, where we see right Guardian actually with the

605
00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:38,880
Avengers team. I don't feel like that would have been

606
00:26:39,519 --> 00:26:42,559
the case had Stark's parents.

607
00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:43,640
Speaker 4: Actually lived in that situation.

608
00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:46,400
Speaker 1: I feel like all those events are very significant in

609
00:26:46,519 --> 00:26:50,480
changing the dynamic here. But again, it's it's so minor.

610
00:26:50,519 --> 00:26:53,400
It's not the case everything in between. I fucking hated it.

611
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:56,079
Speaker 4: It was just brutal. I couldn't stand it. I'm sorry.

612
00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:58,799
Speaker 6: It was way too, way too much over the.

613
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:01,240
Speaker 1: Top kind of quirkiness, and I think this has had

614
00:27:01,279 --> 00:27:03,440
a lot of potential. I was looking forward to seeing,

615
00:27:03,839 --> 00:27:06,039
you know, Red Guardian and Winter Soldier kind of have

616
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:08,160
this dynamic with each other, but Red Guardian.

617
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:11,640
Speaker 4: Was just way too Red Guardian and that does.

618
00:27:11,519 --> 00:27:15,559
Speaker 1: Make me a little uncomfortable thinking about The Thunderbolts. But

619
00:27:15,599 --> 00:27:19,079
I think that there's enough other characters in The Thunderbolts

620
00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:21,799
that it will actually help detract and pull down instead

621
00:27:21,799 --> 00:27:24,000
of being like super Red Guardian centric. So I think

622
00:27:24,039 --> 00:27:26,000
that that movie has that going for it. But here

623
00:27:26,279 --> 00:27:27,599
within Leading the Charge.

624
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:30,599
Speaker 4: It was just a lot. It was It was a lot.

625
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:35,160
Speaker 1: But I really did like seeing all the different characters

626
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:37,559
in here, like Obadiah Stayin coming back as the rook

627
00:27:38,039 --> 00:27:39,000
That was kind of cool.

628
00:27:39,039 --> 00:27:42,279
Speaker 4: And then getting Giant Giant Man. Is that him?

629
00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 3: Yeah? Life, I always forget his actual like human name.

630
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:48,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that was very cool and I was not

631
00:27:48,599 --> 00:27:51,799
expecting that when he actually like activated his power suit,

632
00:27:51,839 --> 00:27:56,519
that was really neat. But yeah, there's there's just a Again,

633
00:27:56,559 --> 00:27:58,519
this is just like not the third one because I

634
00:27:58,599 --> 00:28:00,240
like the first one, but the second one in now

635
00:28:00,279 --> 00:28:02,720
for me, where I was just not feeling great, so

636
00:28:02,799 --> 00:28:06,839
feeling really like holy shit, starting to yawn at this point.

637
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:12,079
Speaker 3: Unfortunately, one thing that and this might be nippicky based

638
00:28:12,079 --> 00:28:13,839
on like what you were saying earlier, Kirkland, I'm like, oh,

639
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:15,200
this is the idea of this is that it is

640
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:17,920
different scenarios and we don't need to buy in all

641
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:19,839
of it. But one thing that really bothered me was

642
00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:23,680
that Winter Soldier it could just like override his mind

643
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:26,200
wiping with like the power of friendship. It just seemed

644
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:28,960
like that's so opposite of what that character is, and

645
00:28:29,039 --> 00:28:31,039
like it's like if he could he have done that

646
00:28:31,079 --> 00:28:33,079
the whole time in the MCU, if he was just

647
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:34,440
like a little bit, if he had a bit of

648
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:37,079
a better friend or something. It just felt a little

649
00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:39,160
too goofy. So that was one thing I didn't like,

650
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:41,119
And I don't really know what the solution around that

651
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:43,240
would be for writing the episode, and I think ultimately,

652
00:28:43,319 --> 00:28:45,240
like what they did, it's probably the right call just

653
00:28:45,279 --> 00:28:47,200
say ah, we're just gonna ignore that and say that

654
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:49,559
he could he could override that, but I don't know

655
00:28:49,559 --> 00:28:51,640
that's something that you know, to my head, can and

656
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:54,039
that's not possible. He can't can't do it that easily, So.

657
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:55,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's fair.

658
00:28:55,039 --> 00:28:58,920
Speaker 2: That one's a little bit harder to pal it, especially

659
00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:01,400
because it's like, are you just saying that him and

660
00:29:01,559 --> 00:29:03,039
him and Steve just weren't good friends?

661
00:29:03,079 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, it wasn't enough friend.

662
00:29:09,359 --> 00:29:13,680
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, our next episode what if Howard the Duck

663
00:29:13,759 --> 00:29:14,519
got hitched?

664
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:21,119
Speaker 5: Discuss? Yeah?

665
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:25,039
Speaker 2: This one another one that honestly, as as it went on,

666
00:29:25,119 --> 00:29:26,759
I ended up liking it more. I thought it was

667
00:29:26,759 --> 00:29:28,599
going to be a big dud at the start of it,

668
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:31,839
especially coming off last episode. Again, this is getting into

669
00:29:31,839 --> 00:29:34,640
the wee hours of my watching experience, so I was like, Okay,

670
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:35,880
this is gonna be the one that I pass out

671
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:38,359
on for sure, But I actually stuck to it, and

672
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:42,559
I did end up in enjoin the Howard Duck dynamic

673
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:46,559
with I was gonna say kat Danian's that's not her name,

674
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:48,119
what that is actor's name?

675
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:50,279
Speaker 5: That her character's name is Darcy. There you go.

676
00:29:51,359 --> 00:29:54,119
Speaker 2: I actually liked the two of them together in a

677
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:56,319
weird way. I feel like Howard the Duck for me,

678
00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:00,359
I don't I feel like he's an overrated character.

679
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:02,880
Speaker 5: I feel like I just don't really care about this guy.

680
00:30:03,519 --> 00:30:06,920
Speaker 2: Awful movie and just the significance of what the character

681
00:30:07,039 --> 00:30:09,279
is for the greater MCU, I just don't feel it.

682
00:30:09,359 --> 00:30:11,079
Speaker 5: He just seems like a bit of a.

683
00:30:11,039 --> 00:30:14,599
Speaker 2: Weird side pretty weak Marvel snap card too. Yeah, I've

684
00:30:14,599 --> 00:30:16,200
never even had him in a deck before, so there

685
00:30:16,559 --> 00:30:19,039
you go. That goes to even cards that are terrible

686
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:21,000
that I really like, I'll throw them in a deck,

687
00:30:21,039 --> 00:30:23,920
but Hower the deck has never made that transition. But

688
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:25,640
by the end of it, like, I think it just

689
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:28,759
had enough humor in here that wasn't like over the top,

690
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:32,880
like slapsticky humor like it it fit the overall tone

691
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:35,720
of what the episode was. I like the different moving

692
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:38,400
pieces at play of like our threats that were chasing them,

693
00:30:38,799 --> 00:30:41,400
and uh yeah, like it's not gonna be my favorite

694
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:43,440
episode by the end of it, but I still ended

695
00:30:43,519 --> 00:30:45,960
up enjoying it. I love seeing Loki in here. Sounded

696
00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:49,640
exactly like Tom Hillson. Maybe I'm just you know, I'm

697
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:51,920
in the snowboarding vibe. So we go to like Yotan

698
00:30:52,519 --> 00:30:55,920
ski village and I ended up really liking all that stuff.

699
00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:59,559
So yeah, I overall honestly thumbs up for me.

700
00:31:00,119 --> 00:31:02,960
Speaker 3: So yeah, I gotta say like this one for the

701
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:06,200
same reason as the Agatha Hollywood one, like just kind

702
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:09,400
of a crazy scenario that I'm in theory not into.

703
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:12,240
But I kind of loved this episode. I guess I

704
00:31:12,319 --> 00:31:15,079
just found the writing to be much funnier. Maybe it's

705
00:31:15,119 --> 00:31:17,720
because it was just an even more absurd setting with

706
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:20,240
like two characters that we already kind of accept as

707
00:31:20,279 --> 00:31:24,079
being a bit like goofball type characters. So I don't know,

708
00:31:24,119 --> 00:31:26,960
it really worked for me. I feel like, and that

709
00:31:27,039 --> 00:31:28,880
kind of just because I like put my guard down

710
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:30,920
in terms of the seriousness for that episode. I was

711
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:33,319
it allowed me to really buy into like how goofy

712
00:31:33,359 --> 00:31:35,200
all of the characters were, and like, oh, yeah, this

713
00:31:35,279 --> 00:31:37,319
is just like a universe where things are extra silly,

714
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:39,759
even though there's like this big scheme going on from

715
00:31:39,759 --> 00:31:43,240
all these different armies waging war over this this mysterious egg.

716
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:45,920
But like, I love that Loki stuff. I think that

717
00:31:46,039 --> 00:31:50,200
is so funny. I just liked their relationship between Howard

718
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:52,240
and Darcia. I thought it was like very cute. I

719
00:31:52,279 --> 00:31:54,720
love when they go on this Groundmaster tour, like that

720
00:31:54,759 --> 00:31:57,880
whole dinner, breakfast, whatever time of day it was seeing

721
00:31:58,319 --> 00:32:00,359
I thought was really funny. If he's like trying to

722
00:32:00,359 --> 00:32:02,079
figure out the menu, but she's just looking up and

723
00:32:02,119 --> 00:32:04,440
seeing what's happening. And when they first get there and

724
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:06,279
they're just talking about like all the activities that they're

725
00:32:06,279 --> 00:32:08,880
gonna do on this like honeymoon trip, and they're like, ooh,

726
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:11,519
a couple's dive on vor Mir, Like that's that's such

727
00:32:11,559 --> 00:32:14,920
a fun little callback. I really liked that one. And

728
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:16,960
then you have just seen like Casilius in here like

729
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:19,160
that was a nice surprise. I liked having him back,

730
00:32:20,039 --> 00:32:22,079
you know. I don't think it was Mads Michaelson doing

731
00:32:22,079 --> 00:32:24,200
the voice for this, but it was still cool to

732
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:26,960
have that character back. I liked having Nick Fury in there,

733
00:32:27,079 --> 00:32:29,519
like Fury out doing his little teleport every time he'd

734
00:32:29,519 --> 00:32:32,039
get out of there. Like Thanos being like a bit

735
00:32:32,039 --> 00:32:34,200
more of a silly guy was funny as well. And

736
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:36,160
then Zeus, I feel like this is pretty fit fitting

737
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:38,000
for with seen of Zeus, but him coming in there

738
00:32:38,079 --> 00:32:40,200
was was pretty good as well. So I don't know,

739
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:42,599
I just I just found this like rat race, like

740
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:47,000
Wild Goose Chase, Wild Duck Chase. I guess like episode

741
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:49,079
it was actually really fun for me. So I had

742
00:32:49,079 --> 00:32:50,000
a good time with this one.

743
00:32:51,799 --> 00:32:54,000
Speaker 4: So you know, you mean you talk.

744
00:32:53,839 --> 00:32:55,920
Speaker 1: About letting guards down, Dylan, I should have kept mine

745
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:57,759
up because this was just not working for me.

746
00:32:57,799 --> 00:32:59,599
Speaker 4: Again, I think.

747
00:32:59,599 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 6: The cams are wonderful and I loved it, but the

748
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:08,039
story was just not there. I did not have any

749
00:33:08,079 --> 00:33:13,160
engagement into Darcy and Howard having an egg together and

750
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:16,319
then everyone seeking after this because it was born on

751
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:19,119
this special alignment to the convergence and of the nine realms.

752
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:22,599
Speaker 1: Was not doing it for me. But that being said,

753
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:25,119
there was a lot of humor in here too that

754
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:27,880
I also was not appreciating. I did when Theenos and

755
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:29,200
the Black Quarder showed up, I was like, Oh, this

756
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:32,240
is so cool, But then they're being cheeky and like

757
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:35,960
giddy and just not that kind of serious thenos like

758
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:37,599
that I want to see, and I feel like other

759
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:41,839
iterations of thenos and previous what if shows, he's been

760
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:44,039
like that serious kind of that character, and again I

761
00:33:44,079 --> 00:33:45,680
feel like, Okay, we're just getting into that over the

762
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:48,400
top kind of humor. Again, I thought it was it

763
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:51,200
was funny with the ski village, but I also thought, oh,

764
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:54,200
that's just not That's not what I'm I'm digging. But

765
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:55,920
then I had to think back, like Okay, this is

766
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:58,599
the universe with Party thor so maybe everyone is just

767
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:01,880
in this weird kind of state of mind where there's

768
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:05,599
just like party party, just not like their heads all

769
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:08,559
not really in the game, like even the Black Order,

770
00:34:08,639 --> 00:34:11,199
like oh we found the song group on, Like are

771
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:13,719
you fucking kidding me? I don't need to see the

772
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:15,920
Black Order talking about group on and shit, And was

773
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:18,480
staying at the ski resort like, oh my god.

774
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:20,920
Speaker 4: That was just that was too much, too much.

775
00:34:22,559 --> 00:34:25,559
Speaker 1: So I wish that I could say I like this

776
00:34:25,599 --> 00:34:27,360
is that the only thing I really liked was seeing

777
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:29,719
the whole clash of characters, the Dark Elves and then

778
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:33,199
seeing Zeus and seeing the Black Order Fattos and all

779
00:34:33,199 --> 00:34:36,480
these different armies kind of clash, but their motivations and

780
00:34:36,519 --> 00:34:40,000
the fallout of that just was not really there for

781
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:42,280
was I was not enjoying it as much.

782
00:34:43,519 --> 00:34:45,920
Speaker 3: What do you think of, like just the whole parental

783
00:34:46,199 --> 00:34:49,119
storyline of those two and their dynamic just given that

784
00:34:49,119 --> 00:34:53,159
they're you know, first time parents, something I'm sure pretty

785
00:34:53,159 --> 00:34:55,480
relatable for you in your current life.

786
00:34:55,639 --> 00:34:57,840
Speaker 1: You know, the only thing I could relate to them

787
00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:01,199
as is that their first time parents too. It's the

788
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:04,840
only thing the rest, No, not so much so as

789
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:06,400
there's not much I could really pull.

790
00:35:07,159 --> 00:35:07,880
Speaker 5: Ah.

791
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:10,599
Speaker 4: So yeah, that's that's about it, fair enough.

792
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:10,920
Speaker 3: Yea.

793
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:18,320
Speaker 1: Our next episode is what if the Emergence destroyed the Earth?

794
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:23,079
Speaker 3: Mm hmm, yeah, this is This is another scenario similar

795
00:35:23,079 --> 00:35:24,559
to the Red Guardian one where I think this is

796
00:35:24,599 --> 00:35:29,480
this is a really interesting multiverse situation where like, yeah,

797
00:35:29,519 --> 00:35:33,440
what if instead of that that Celesti'll just popping out

798
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:35,400
of the Earth instead just crack the whole Earth and

799
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:37,519
split everything up. Now, I don't know if it makes

800
00:35:37,519 --> 00:35:40,039
sense that the Earth is still like kind of held togethernough,

801
00:35:40,039 --> 00:35:42,400
it's like fractured. It don't really buy into that so much,

802
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:44,199
and there's still is like kind of an Earth. But

803
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:47,360
I think it's a cool idea nonetheless, And I guess, yeah,

804
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:50,000
this kind of this episode is really what kicks off

805
00:35:50,079 --> 00:35:53,320
the I don't know, I guess just the second half

806
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:55,519
of the series, which feels like it's kind of more

807
00:35:56,199 --> 00:36:00,079
closely like interwoven story for the most part. Yeah, there

808
00:36:00,079 --> 00:36:01,320
there's some fun stuff in here. This is what I

809
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:03,840
mentioned too, where it's like, man, it's weird, have re

810
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:06,719
re iron Heart here when I feel like, man, this

811
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:09,079
this is supposed to come out like after that show,

812
00:36:09,119 --> 00:36:11,159
and we were supposed to have a closer bond with

813
00:36:11,199 --> 00:36:14,599
that character perhaps, and because we still don't really know

814
00:36:14,679 --> 00:36:16,840
much about her, like of course she was in Wilkonda Forever,

815
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:18,920
but that was a very dense movie with a lot

816
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:21,239
of characters and a lot of storylines going on. So

817
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:23,400
the timing of it feels a little bit weird. I

818
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:25,199
wonder how I'll feel about this. I kind of in

819
00:36:25,199 --> 00:36:27,440
retrospect after watching that show, which do we even know,

820
00:36:27,519 --> 00:36:30,159
like when it must be coming out twenty twenty five, but.

821
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:32,000
Speaker 5: I thought it was really stay on twenty five.

822
00:36:32,199 --> 00:36:34,639
Speaker 3: But let me because that's just been like in the

823
00:36:34,679 --> 00:36:36,559
can for a while, right, Like they're just kind of

824
00:36:37,199 --> 00:36:38,679
I don't know why it's taking them so long to

825
00:36:38,679 --> 00:36:39,400
get it out of the door.

826
00:36:40,639 --> 00:36:42,800
Speaker 4: June twenty twenty five, fourth.

827
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 3: So coming up sooner than I thought.

828
00:36:46,039 --> 00:36:47,280
Speaker 2: M h.

829
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 3: And then I think I was kind of in kind

830
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:53,159
of out on the whole Mysterio thing. I love Mysterio

831
00:36:53,159 --> 00:36:57,519
as a character, but this wasn't really my mysterio. Just

832
00:36:57,559 --> 00:37:00,159
like the fully corrupt evil like Pealpa.

833
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:02,199
Speaker 5: Teine is more like a watcher if anything.

834
00:37:02,199 --> 00:37:03,559
Speaker 2: It was tripped me out I'm like, is this like

835
00:37:03,599 --> 00:37:06,599
a weird version where like he have glowing eyes and everything.

836
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:09,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, no hair and all that. But I think there's

837
00:37:09,599 --> 00:37:11,480
some good moments in here where get you know, snow vision,

838
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:13,800
first time we've seen in him back in a while.

839
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:16,800
So I think this was a well done episode for

840
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:18,599
the most part, I think it was. It was decent,

841
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:20,599
and it's definitely a step above like the first half

842
00:37:20,679 --> 00:37:22,920
being kind of just the crazy what I of scenarios

843
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:25,840
and like more silly and goofy. For the most part,

844
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:28,119
this felt like, Okay, we're a little more serious, little darker,

845
00:37:28,159 --> 00:37:30,519
and I think it was actually pretty successful at doing

846
00:37:30,519 --> 00:37:32,679
that for the most part, and really getting the moment

847
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:34,760
where their watcher kind of intervenes in a bigger way.

848
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:36,800
Is I mean, it's a big moment and it kind

849
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:38,800
of leads to the rest of what we have going

850
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:39,199
on here.

851
00:37:40,639 --> 00:37:41,760
Speaker 5: Yeah. No, absolutely.

852
00:37:43,599 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 2: I feel like I like the vibe of this episode

853
00:37:46,079 --> 00:37:49,679
more than anything of just the dark, like basically a

854
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:54,119
post apocalyptic setting where you have like these little resistance

855
00:37:54,159 --> 00:37:56,519
groups like working underground, Like I just like the setup

856
00:37:56,559 --> 00:38:00,119
of that, especially parents some some superhero characters, and I

857
00:38:00,159 --> 00:38:03,119
feel like Reby Williams just fits that so well, at

858
00:38:03,199 --> 00:38:05,840
least the version that they used for her here. Yeah,

859
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:07,599
I don't really know much about the character yet because

860
00:38:07,599 --> 00:38:10,360
we haven't been privy to the information as of yet

861
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:14,000
in the Sacred Timeline, But she was a badass here,

862
00:38:14,039 --> 00:38:16,599
like I thought she she had a good attitude about her.

863
00:38:16,679 --> 00:38:20,280
I like the there's some like darkness under the surface

864
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:22,719
of the character, even before we really get time to

865
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:25,559
unravel what that is. Like you could just see by

866
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:28,519
how she portrays herself. She's she's tough and like she

867
00:38:28,639 --> 00:38:31,800
just seems resilient. So if we get something like this

868
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:34,719
and in the other version like I'm I'm I'm down,

869
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:36,079
I think I'm hyped about that.

870
00:38:36,199 --> 00:38:38,199
Speaker 5: So uh yeah, I like to set up. I like

871
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:39,360
the darkness of this episode.

872
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:43,320
Speaker 2: I liked our villains, seeing like just snow Vision as

873
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:46,760
like an unstoppable villain is just I know, it's very

874
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:49,840
ultron like, but it just felt different in a way.

875
00:38:50,079 --> 00:38:53,199
Whenever you have a character that just floats around like Superman,

876
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:56,159
like I just I think that's so badass. Mortal Kombat

877
00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:58,280
characters do that and it just feel like it just

878
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:01,440
exudes power. And that's how it felt like when he's

879
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:04,960
just going down the hallways literally like just slow pace

880
00:39:05,039 --> 00:39:07,920
but just floating, going right into gunfire and just popping

881
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:08,719
off in these guys.

882
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:10,079
Speaker 5: I was all for that.

883
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:12,800
Speaker 2: I was eating all that juice up. So yeah, I

884
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:17,239
really dug this episode, even though, like you, Dylan, I

885
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:19,559
was really looking forward to Mysterio in this season, but

886
00:39:19,639 --> 00:39:24,360
I just didn't love this version. Something that I loved

887
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:27,440
about Far from Home Spiderman Far from Home is the

888
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:31,519
whole twist on like everything kind of being mind gaming

889
00:39:31,519 --> 00:39:35,639
and illusionary, you know, like the whole mystery, the whole

890
00:39:35,679 --> 00:39:39,400
mysterio twist in that movie, which doesn't hit the same

891
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:41,079
on a second viewing. So it was nice to kind

892
00:39:41,079 --> 00:39:43,280
of get a surprise like that in this episode because

893
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:46,639
I just think it's it's I don't know. Illusionary magic

894
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:48,920
is always interesting in different ways that they use it,

895
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:50,719
you know, big fan of that in the Elder Scrolls game.

896
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:54,840
So mysterio would be he would be a master illusionary wizard,

897
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:55,119
you know.

898
00:39:55,079 --> 00:39:56,599
Speaker 5: If he was in the Older Scrolls realm.

899
00:39:56,639 --> 00:40:00,880
Speaker 2: But yeah, no, I really dug this episode.

900
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:04,840
Speaker 6: Holy smokes, this episode was fucking awesome.

901
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:09,440
Speaker 1: This is where it finally after three and it started

902
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:10,280
to turn around for me.

903
00:40:10,559 --> 00:40:12,360
Speaker 5: This is all one binge watch too, you just like.

904
00:40:12,519 --> 00:40:15,480
Speaker 4: This is all at like two am. Oh yeah, yeah,

905
00:40:15,559 --> 00:40:19,639
tripped a fan just sitting there like this isn't good.

906
00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:21,719
And then it turned around like, oh yeah, I just

907
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:22,559
I was back in it.

908
00:40:23,199 --> 00:40:24,679
Speaker 1: Before I get in my thoughts, I'm gonna jump to

909
00:40:24,679 --> 00:40:28,239
a quick ad break and we're back. So yeah, as

910
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:30,280
I said, tripped a fan was kicking in and I

911
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:31,159
was just not feeling it.

912
00:40:31,199 --> 00:40:33,679
Speaker 4: But this was just the bee's knees.

913
00:40:34,039 --> 00:40:36,800
Speaker 1: I absolutely was digging it because it just this is

914
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:41,159
such a dystopian kind of universe that was hit worth it.

915
00:40:41,159 --> 00:40:43,400
It had that level of eternals with the eternals failed

916
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:47,480
and the celestial event occurred, and then you get into

917
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:50,960
the fact that Mysterio took over Stark Industries and built

918
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:53,559
like this the Iron Faction or whatever he calls it,

919
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:56,239
and it just is like running the planet. It's like

920
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:58,239
that is so fucked up and so crazy, and he's

921
00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:01,440
still rocking his illusions. And then you have the ragtag

922
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:03,920
team of survivors and the Alliance that are still left

923
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:08,599
together with Wong always good to see Wong, Valkyrie and

924
00:41:08,639 --> 00:41:14,159
a Koyeh and Ying Nan that was the other character

925
00:41:14,199 --> 00:41:20,079
I don't recognize that as Sung Chi character. Yes, guardian

926
00:41:20,159 --> 00:41:24,039
of tallow Lee's sister and Sung cheese aunt.

927
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:29,159
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, right, I'll do it. Sounds a little familiar.

928
00:41:29,199 --> 00:41:31,360
I have not watched that Shunkchi in a while, so.

929
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:35,280
Speaker 4: That yeah, but very cool that.

930
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:36,920
Speaker 1: The Yeah, they brought these characters in and I just

931
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:39,679
I think, yeah, seeing a snow vision back in action,

932
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:43,000
very terrifying. Like he said, he's floating around all being

933
00:41:43,079 --> 00:41:44,719
casper like as one calls him.

934
00:41:45,039 --> 00:41:47,559
Speaker 4: But some very very cool stuff.

935
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:50,320
Speaker 1: And Ruy Williams, Yeah, we don't know a lot of

936
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:53,880
her character yet. Like you mentioned, Dylan, it was very

937
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:58,039
much a condensed kind of addition into the Black Panther sequel.

938
00:41:58,159 --> 00:42:00,599
But with her here and her just getting kind of

939
00:42:00,639 --> 00:42:02,639
the spotlight and getting to shine, that was pretty cool.

940
00:42:02,679 --> 00:42:04,840
And I love that they were just going around Thor's

941
00:42:05,519 --> 00:42:06,159
boat too.

942
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:07,280
Speaker 4: That was so random.

943
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:08,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, every part of the career.

944
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:11,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, very very neat though, so I appreciate

945
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:12,719
all those little things.

946
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:14,639
Speaker 4: And I like how too we.

947
00:42:14,639 --> 00:42:16,599
Speaker 1: Get to the Watcher kind of intervening here and you

948
00:42:16,639 --> 00:42:18,119
get to see, okay, this is the start of his

949
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:22,039
sort of semi downfall in a way, I guess redemption arc.

950
00:42:22,079 --> 00:42:24,360
I don't know what you would call it. He's been noticed.

951
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:28,639
So I thought that was a lot of fun and yeah,

952
00:42:28,639 --> 00:42:30,039
it was just it was, it was, it was all

953
00:42:30,079 --> 00:42:35,320
around a good time. This was definitely a super superb.

954
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:38,199
Speaker 3: Do you guys think that ree iron Heire's gonna be

955
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:42,239
a very big character going forward? Like you know, we

956
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:44,199
can point out a lot of different we episodes where

957
00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:46,800
someone really takes the main stage, like even Kohori doing

958
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:48,119
some crazy stuff, and it's like, I don't know, I

959
00:42:48,159 --> 00:42:49,960
don't know if they're gonna promote that character. We haven't

960
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:52,880
even seen her live action, but like, I don't know,

961
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:55,360
I just felt like they made a big deal of like, Okay,

962
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:58,960
in all these universes, all these multiverses, she's always kind

963
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:01,960
of like the last chance and of course she always fails,

964
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:04,639
except for this time she finally does succeed. But I

965
00:43:04,639 --> 00:43:05,920
don't know, kind of maybe wonder if this is a

966
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:08,480
character that they're really planning on making a bigger deal of.

967
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:10,960
And I don't know if things change from even when

968
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:14,920
this episode was being penned and animated up to it releasing,

969
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:17,000
just because we've seen so much now of like what

970
00:43:17,039 --> 00:43:18,480
the next Avengers movies are going to be and it

971
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:20,679
seems like they're going back to formula does something extend

972
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:22,719
to try and cash in on some of the old

973
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:25,440
nostalgia rather than focusing on the new characters. But I

974
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:27,360
don't know, do you guys think this is any inclination

975
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:29,800
of where we could be going forward with Ironheart is

976
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:32,320
like a I don't know, a bigger deal part of

977
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:34,960
the Avengers, a crucial part of the team, a leader

978
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:36,039
at some point something like that.

979
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:38,880
Speaker 2: I mean, she has the ingredients to be with everything

980
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:42,159
that's shown and just the potential I think for what

981
00:43:42,159 --> 00:43:44,760
they've set up in the character, even in you know,

982
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:48,079
the little time that we get for her and Willkonda forever, Like,

983
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:51,320
I still feel like she's got the seeds to be that,

984
00:43:53,039 --> 00:43:56,000
Like why can't she be better than iron Man?

985
00:43:56,079 --> 00:43:56,280
Speaker 3: Right?

986
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:58,119
Speaker 2: Like wich is some of the potential that she has,

987
00:43:58,199 --> 00:44:01,039
especially the age that she's access these things, it's way

988
00:44:01,079 --> 00:44:04,760
earlier than what Tony would have had. So I think, yes,

989
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:07,280
I'm a little bit hesitant just because I feel like

990
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:09,280
I could have said that about every new character that

991
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:11,280
they've kind of added in the last phase, whether it's

992
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:14,079
America Chavez, like that's a super powerful character that we

993
00:44:14,079 --> 00:44:18,159
haven't even seen, right Kate Bishop, you know, more Hawkeye level,

994
00:44:18,199 --> 00:44:20,559
but still just like the charismon power that she could

995
00:44:20,599 --> 00:44:22,599
be a leader, Like I think that she could be

996
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:26,199
a leader of the not even young Avengers, a Avengers team.

997
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:29,599
So I think, yes, all these characters can definitely be

998
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:31,800
that like an event, not just an Avengers two point

999
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:33,719
zero in the sense of it's a new team, but

1000
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:36,760
like upgraded that much better. Like, I think the potential

1001
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:41,000
is there. It's just a matter of them actually like

1002
00:44:41,119 --> 00:44:44,159
releasing something with these characters in so a little bit hesitant.

1003
00:44:44,199 --> 00:44:46,519
But if I had to say yes or now, I'm

1004
00:44:46,559 --> 00:44:50,280
gonna say, hell, yes, she can definitely be that nice.

1005
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:53,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that giving her kind of more of

1006
00:44:53,119 --> 00:44:55,880
that that position to lead is great. I know, I

1007
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:57,800
don't know the fallout of Armour Wars or whatever they

1008
00:44:57,840 --> 00:44:59,360
were doing with that, because it was a show or

1009
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:02,440
a movie whatever, That's all very convoluted to me. But

1010
00:45:02,519 --> 00:45:05,400
I feel like the whole storyline with war Machine has

1011
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:08,239
kind of just kind of taken the back seat a

1012
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:11,760
little bit after the Scrolls scenario. So I think that

1013
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:16,079
giving Reary williams our lead is like our new kind

1014
00:45:16,079 --> 00:45:18,199
of Iron Man character. I think that's that's a good idea,

1015
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:20,920
as long as our suit doesn't look so superbly cgi

1016
00:45:21,119 --> 00:45:23,840
like it did in Wakanda Forever. It just needs to

1017
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:24,880
be toned down a little bit.

1018
00:45:25,599 --> 00:45:26,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, look a little better.

1019
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:32,800
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah cool. So our next one? What if eighteen

1020
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:33,480
seventy two?

1021
00:45:35,639 --> 00:45:38,280
Speaker 3: Mm hmmm yeah? What was it? We got the other

1022
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:39,239
like medieval one?

1023
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:40,480
Speaker 2: Is?

1024
00:45:40,599 --> 00:45:42,920
Speaker 3: This? Is this? This? Have we got a third one

1025
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:45,119
that I'm forgetting about? Another like just year thing where

1026
00:45:45,119 --> 00:45:47,000
they go back to some other sixteen.

1027
00:45:46,599 --> 00:45:48,800
Speaker 2: Oh two was the last one, and then in season

1028
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:51,840
one there was none with a specific right right?

1029
00:45:52,639 --> 00:45:53,039
Speaker 4: Uh yeah.

1030
00:45:53,079 --> 00:45:56,159
Speaker 3: I actually really enjoyed this episode as well, or at

1031
00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:58,519
least maybe the first half. I think some of the

1032
00:45:58,559 --> 00:46:01,440
stuff towards the ending didn't really hit as hard as

1033
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:02,880
I wanted it too. I mean, it's hard when you

1034
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:04,679
only have half an hour to build up a whole

1035
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:07,880
story and then like end it in a very satisfying way.

1036
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:10,719
But in terms of the setting, I was really digging in.

1037
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:13,360
I'm not necessarily a big Western guy, but I liked

1038
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:15,039
the setting that we got here as fun to see

1039
00:46:15,039 --> 00:46:17,440
these versions of the characters and shunk Chi and Kate

1040
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:19,679
Bishop as a duo. I thought was really really fun,

1041
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:22,239
him being kind of the more fisticuffs getting up there

1042
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:24,920
in their face, and her just back there just slapping

1043
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:28,079
that revolver. Was a really really sweet combo. And then

1044
00:46:28,119 --> 00:46:30,199
some of the other freaks that we saw along the way.

1045
00:46:30,199 --> 00:46:31,840
At some point we saw Throg. I'm trying to remember

1046
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:34,079
where we saw like a little screenshot of Throg at

1047
00:46:34,079 --> 00:46:37,800
some point, and I forget what the context of that was,

1048
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:40,840
but like I said, I binged these episodes, but anyway,

1049
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:43,000
it was cool to see Throg in there. And then yeah,

1050
00:46:43,159 --> 00:46:44,800
this is another situation where it's like, Okay, the Hood

1051
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:46,920
is the villain. I mean not really, but the Hood

1052
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:49,800
was relevant to the story. It's like, okay, yeah, we

1053
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:52,159
haven't seen iron Hart yet where it's supposed to be introducing.

1054
00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:53,960
We're supposed to have a context for who that character

1055
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:56,079
is in the first place. So a little odd there.

1056
00:46:56,079 --> 00:46:58,960
And then similar to Goliath in the Red Guardian episode,

1057
00:46:59,559 --> 00:47:01,440
like Sonny Birch coming back, Like, I don't know why

1058
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:03,679
there's so much ant Man two representation. I think it's

1059
00:47:03,679 --> 00:47:06,519
just like the cycle of things. It's like we should

1060
00:47:06,559 --> 00:47:08,519
have been getting something based on ant Man three, which

1061
00:47:08,519 --> 00:47:10,559
of course they're not gonna do anymore. But I just

1062
00:47:10,639 --> 00:47:12,519
I wonder what the mc would look like if like

1063
00:47:12,519 --> 00:47:15,199
Disney Plus had existed at the start of the MCU

1064
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:18,039
and we would be getting shows throughout it, and like

1065
00:47:18,159 --> 00:47:20,079
if we had been getting what ifs like after every

1066
00:47:20,079 --> 00:47:22,199
phase or something like that, I'm sure we would have

1067
00:47:22,199 --> 00:47:24,840
seen something. Maybe not with the Hood and shun Chi

1068
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:26,519
and stuff, but we would have got more stuff with

1069
00:47:26,559 --> 00:47:28,800
those characters. But it's fun to have them back. And

1070
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:30,920
Malton Goggins, I mean, it sounded sounded like him. I

1071
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:33,159
don't know if it was him, but yeah, I don't know.

1072
00:47:33,199 --> 00:47:34,760
I had a good time with this episode. I think

1073
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:35,960
it was. It was fun for the most part, and

1074
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:38,159
then some of the yeah emotionality stuff at the end

1075
00:47:38,159 --> 00:47:41,119
didn't really work for me necessarily, But overall that was

1076
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:42,679
a pretty fun ride to get there.

1077
00:47:44,159 --> 00:47:47,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, this was this is like a Hidalgo glimpse. Hey, yeah,

1078
00:47:47,079 --> 00:47:50,199
we got some some of those in the episode. For

1079
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:52,320
the most part, I thought this was a really solid time.

1080
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:54,760
I really liked the pairing of shang Chi and Kate

1081
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:59,480
Bishop together. Sounded exactly like Hayley Steinfeld, so I imagine

1082
00:47:59,519 --> 00:48:02,440
it was her, not so confident about the shun chie one.

1083
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:05,400
But yeah, Sunny Birch, Walton Goggins, I feel like they're

1084
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:09,119
just like Walton Goggins fits this western cowboy aesthetics so well.

1085
00:48:09,119 --> 00:48:10,599
So let's just get him in there no matter what,

1086
00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:13,320
even if it is a wild pole. So it fits

1087
00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:16,079
so well because even fallout right like, that's a pretty cowboy,

1088
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:17,159
especially his.

1089
00:48:17,119 --> 00:48:20,559
Speaker 5: Character Apil eight.

1090
00:48:20,679 --> 00:48:25,079
Speaker 2: Yes, Django, he's a character Simmy Lou and Haley return

1091
00:48:25,119 --> 00:48:27,159
to there you Go, or a guy in the chair

1092
00:48:27,199 --> 00:48:30,280
coming in on the on the feeds. But yeah, I know,

1093
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:34,559
I thought having the Hood as the threat of the

1094
00:48:34,599 --> 00:48:37,880
episode not necessarily. I was excited to just learn about

1095
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:39,239
this character. I don't know if he's a hero. I

1096
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:40,440
don't know if he's a villain. All I know is

1097
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:42,559
he's a Marvel snap card and he's pretty cool card

1098
00:48:43,079 --> 00:48:43,400
at that.

1099
00:48:43,639 --> 00:48:46,480
Speaker 3: So the duck he's way above that.

1100
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:48,719
Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly so.

1101
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:51,239
Speaker 2: I I've used him many times, having many different decks,

1102
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:53,719
But I I just was looking forward to seeing kind

1103
00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:56,559
of more about what he was. Now that it's all

1104
00:48:56,599 --> 00:48:59,840
said done, I'm okay with it not actually being him.

1105
00:49:00,039 --> 00:49:04,920
It was like a little switch around there. He doesn't

1106
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:06,920
seem like he's going to be like a big time

1107
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:08,840
Marvel threat. So like, I don't know where you're going

1108
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:10,920
to do that introduction of the character, but just the

1109
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:14,280
whole aesthetic of his voice. Again I know it wasn't

1110
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:16,519
actually him, but the voice aesthetic and just kind of

1111
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:19,280
the fear what he is and just the hood, like

1112
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:21,760
it's just such a badass name for like a villain.

1113
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:24,639
So yeah, I like the whole setup, the what the

1114
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:30,199
character was. I like the showdown between them and shunk

1115
00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:32,480
She before the reveal, But like you said, I don't

1116
00:49:32,559 --> 00:49:35,320
like the emotional send off at the end, Like it

1117
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:39,440
just didn't didn't affect me really at all. But I

1118
00:49:39,519 --> 00:49:41,880
like the whole aesthetic of them and their cowboy gears,

1119
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:45,599
like Kate Bishop's guns felt a little bit more pizazzy

1120
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:49,119
kind of how she has her hawkeye aesthetic. So yeah, no,

1121
00:49:49,199 --> 00:49:50,800
I thought it was a good time.

1122
00:49:51,119 --> 00:49:56,800
Speaker 1: And yeah, yeah I thought, you know, this one wasn't

1123
00:49:56,800 --> 00:49:58,840
as hot as the previous episode for me, but I

1124
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:00,599
still had a great time with it. This is cool,

1125
00:50:00,599 --> 00:50:03,320
just getting the different time period and just the clash

1126
00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:08,559
of characters with Kate Bishop and Sung Chi teaming up

1127
00:50:08,599 --> 00:50:11,239
together here, and then you get I guess that was Yeah,

1128
00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:14,440
that was John Walker's US agent, like cowboy guy, and

1129
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:18,920
uh uh yeah, all these different different characters in here,

1130
00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:20,239
and then you get a little bit more kind of

1131
00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:23,119
going on with the Watcher kind of intervening again and

1132
00:50:23,159 --> 00:50:25,599
being noticed. So there's there's a lot that's fun to

1133
00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:28,119
kind of break down and pick apart with this episode.

1134
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:29,960
Speaker 4: It's it's a good time and.

1135
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:32,480
Speaker 1: I'm glad that the bar for me has been set

1136
00:50:32,599 --> 00:50:35,679
with that last one just because of how how crazy

1137
00:50:35,719 --> 00:50:38,639
they went and creating this alternative take. And this one

1138
00:50:38,719 --> 00:50:40,639
is cool because it just it just feels like it

1139
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:45,519
fits in there. And uh it's you know that what

1140
00:50:45,679 --> 00:50:47,800
was established and sung Chi. You have those characters trying

1141
00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:51,719
to like go to uh I find a better life

1142
00:50:51,719 --> 00:50:54,960
in America, and then yeah, they like things go sideways

1143
00:50:55,239 --> 00:50:57,400
over the next few years for those characters because of

1144
00:50:57,440 --> 00:50:59,719
like slavery and everything that goes on. So it's just

1145
00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:02,320
it's it's a wild story that they kind of like

1146
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:04,039
they tap into.

1147
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:06,480
Speaker 4: So it's it's a good episode.

1148
00:51:08,119 --> 00:51:11,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, I wonder to the the kid I forget his

1149
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:14,039
name in here, but he's kind of tag he's kind

1150
00:51:14,039 --> 00:51:16,599
of the tag along through this and maybe he's another

1151
00:51:16,679 --> 00:51:18,840
character like, oh, and then this sets up the next

1152
00:51:19,199 --> 00:51:21,079
generation of heroes that kind of thing. So I wonder

1153
00:51:21,119 --> 00:51:23,480
if that's a character that we'll see in live action,

1154
00:51:23,519 --> 00:51:25,320
if we ever get like shunk Chi two or something.

1155
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:27,559
I don't really know where else he would pop up,

1156
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:30,239
but yeah, I don't know. I wonder that seems like

1157
00:51:30,679 --> 00:51:33,239
a very intentional kind of character that they're bringing up

1158
00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:35,719
there when they normally just pull from people off the

1159
00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:37,400
bench that we've seen many times before. I guess we

1160
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:39,159
don't have a ton of kids hanging around in the

1161
00:51:39,239 --> 00:51:41,360
MCU right now. I guess we actually kind of do

1162
00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:42,719
now the more I think about it. There are a

1163
00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:45,199
few kids that we've seen in recent times, whether it's

1164
00:51:45,199 --> 00:51:48,440
Thor's daughter or young the young King you know, will

1165
00:51:48,519 --> 00:51:50,639
come onto there. So I don't know, it seems like

1166
00:51:50,679 --> 00:51:51,840
purposeful they went for that guy.

1167
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:56,760
Speaker 2: And also our young Avengers roster somehow exactly young Avengers

1168
00:51:56,760 --> 00:51:58,039
are Agings.

1169
00:51:57,719 --> 00:51:59,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, our thirty year old Avengers.

1170
00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:00,480
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1171
00:52:00,519 --> 00:52:02,239
Speaker 3: And then I I don't know why. It was just

1172
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:05,320
like the animation his dad that he kept trying to

1173
00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:07,679
save to me just looked exactly Chris Pine, and it

1174
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:10,559
was like, really weird me out. And it's like in

1175
00:52:10,559 --> 00:52:12,559
the light of stop. But I was like, your father

1176
00:52:12,679 --> 00:52:15,639
is Chris Pine? Is this Chris Pine's introduce direction to

1177
00:52:15,679 --> 00:52:17,840
the MCU, what's going on here? I was just very

1178
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:20,480
confused by all that, but ended up not being the case.

1179
00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:22,679
Speaker 5: I'll take them. I love Chris Pine.

1180
00:52:23,239 --> 00:52:23,760
Speaker 3: Mm hmm.

1181
00:52:25,159 --> 00:52:33,880
Speaker 4: Uh cool. So our next episode, what if the Watcher disappeared? Discuss?

1182
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:39,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's definitely setting up to like the big finale,

1183
00:52:39,559 --> 00:52:43,079
and like I, I just loved this episode. I thought

1184
00:52:43,079 --> 00:52:44,719
it was I kind of see these as like a

1185
00:52:44,760 --> 00:52:47,800
part one part two for the finale and the sense

1186
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:50,840
of a being so combined. So I might accidentally cross over,

1187
00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:53,159
so I apologize if I do at some point, but no,

1188
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:55,079
I I really like the build up. I like the

1189
00:52:55,920 --> 00:53:00,360
I like our team, like our our main really think

1190
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:02,599
about it. But it's kind of like an all female roster.

1191
00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:06,000
Hey for this, for this badass pairing, we got Birdie

1192
00:53:06,039 --> 00:53:10,039
the Duck, which uh cookie in a way reminds me

1193
00:53:10,039 --> 00:53:11,320
of like a kooky version of Rogue.

1194
00:53:11,480 --> 00:53:13,400
Speaker 5: I think it's like the hair, the eighties hair, and

1195
00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:13,800
just like some.

1196
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:15,639
Speaker 3: Over one line, I thought it was rogue for a couple.

1197
00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:18,920
Speaker 2: I'm glad she said who she was because like in

1198
00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:21,480
the earlier episode and we have like the baby version,

1199
00:53:21,559 --> 00:53:23,559
I'm like, who the fuck is this character? Like are

1200
00:53:23,559 --> 00:53:26,679
they gonna say your name? But yeah, here we are.

1201
00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:28,639
Later on we get her in the same season, so

1202
00:53:28,639 --> 00:53:31,400
I was happy about that. And I like the dynamic

1203
00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:33,480
of her with everyone else. I think everyone has pretty

1204
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:37,320
good chemistry together, and just like they all seem like

1205
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:40,440
such a big power up for like a big threat

1206
00:53:41,199 --> 00:53:44,400
face off, which is what you need, you know, to

1207
00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:46,599
take on the Watchers. Clearly they weren't enough. They had

1208
00:53:46,639 --> 00:53:49,280
to call in the backup, which this was. This was

1209
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:51,480
the sequence where I was like scanning up off my couch,

1210
00:53:51,519 --> 00:53:53,920
like I was just so hyped to be getting Infinity

1211
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:59,119
Ultron back. That was probably my favorite like just moment

1212
00:53:59,239 --> 00:54:01,800
throughout the entire show, like including all the seasons. I

1213
00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:05,800
think even over like the strange stuff, maybe I can

1214
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:08,639
make be debated that like back and forth, depend on

1215
00:54:08,639 --> 00:54:10,199
the day, Maybe I like the strange stuff a little

1216
00:54:10,239 --> 00:54:14,119
bit more. But I just think for what like Infinity

1217
00:54:14,199 --> 00:54:17,440
Ultron really was on a scale, It's like a it's

1218
00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:19,880
like a Dragon Ball Z level threat of like a

1219
00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:23,440
power level, Like it's just incalculable. How how powerful that

1220
00:54:23,519 --> 00:54:27,079
character is. And I just love how how we like

1221
00:54:27,119 --> 00:54:29,760
that's who we're calling here, and uh, they're just mentioning

1222
00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:34,400
how like in other multiverses, like yeah, no, he'd really

1223
00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:37,400
just defeated everything, and he's just chilling. He's just on

1224
00:54:37,639 --> 00:54:40,039
standby mode because like, what else are you gonna do

1225
00:54:40,079 --> 00:54:43,760
when you conquer the entire known existence? So I like

1226
00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:45,920
what we call upon here. I feel like his whole

1227
00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:47,480
like switch to the good side might have been a

1228
00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:49,480
little bit easy. So maybe that's a little bit of

1229
00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:52,840
a grievance. I we didn't really see it kind of right,

1230
00:54:52,920 --> 00:54:55,000
He's just like, oh, I defeated everyone on board, so

1231
00:54:55,039 --> 00:54:56,719
I guess I'll I'll save life.

1232
00:54:56,760 --> 00:54:58,880
Speaker 1: So like a little bit isn't He hasn't faced a

1233
00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:01,639
watch her before those maybe was the kicker for him, but.

1234
00:55:01,960 --> 00:55:04,159
Speaker 2: Like he's like protecting life, right, He's like, now that

1235
00:55:04,239 --> 00:55:06,960
I've done all this, I was seeking out peace, but

1236
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:09,639
you can't have that without whatever the line was, I'm

1237
00:55:09,639 --> 00:55:12,440
already paraphrasing it. But then he just mentions how like, yeah,

1238
00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:14,960
now I have to like save life. And I don't know,

1239
00:55:15,039 --> 00:55:17,639
like maybe I misread the situation, but it just seemed

1240
00:55:17,679 --> 00:55:20,239
pretty easy. I was just happy to have him there,

1241
00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:23,159
so I didn't really care what the reasoning was. But yeah,

1242
00:55:23,159 --> 00:55:25,880
that was a nice surprise for me. And he like

1243
00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:29,480
absorbs the whatever shard I can't remember the name of it,

1244
00:55:29,519 --> 00:55:31,800
and he just gets even more powerful, Like I just

1245
00:55:31,960 --> 00:55:32,840
love the.

1246
00:55:32,639 --> 00:55:33,800
Speaker 5: Idea what this character is.

1247
00:55:36,159 --> 00:55:39,519
Speaker 2: It A good shout out to Crystal Skull there Indiana Jones,

1248
00:55:41,360 --> 00:55:43,880
But yeah, no, I like this character in a what

1249
00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:46,480
if scenario, Like it really hard to have a character

1250
00:55:46,559 --> 00:55:48,639
like this in the live action just because he is

1251
00:55:49,079 --> 00:55:52,880
basically beyond a god like level of power. But for

1252
00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:55,119
the what If series, I loved him in season one

1253
00:55:55,159 --> 00:55:57,239
and I'm happy we had him back here, and yeah

1254
00:55:57,239 --> 00:55:57,440
it was.

1255
00:55:57,400 --> 00:55:58,000
Speaker 5: A good guy turn.

1256
00:55:59,199 --> 00:56:03,239
Speaker 3: Yeah. Overall, I thought this was a really As much

1257
00:56:03,239 --> 00:56:05,119
as I didn't really love this series as a whole,

1258
00:56:05,119 --> 00:56:08,039
I think this was a really great two part conclusion

1259
00:56:08,119 --> 00:56:11,719
to it. I like, just as a whole, I think

1260
00:56:11,719 --> 00:56:14,639
this is yeah, did a really good job of you know,

1261
00:56:14,639 --> 00:56:17,719
we've seen the other Watchers ish but like yeah, fine,

1262
00:56:17,840 --> 00:56:20,199
like really it's just been ut too who've seen as

1263
00:56:20,239 --> 00:56:22,400
a character and even having like the switch up. Now

1264
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:23,960
this might be episode eight once again, it might be

1265
00:56:24,039 --> 00:56:27,159
bleeding bleeding the things together here, but like switching and

1266
00:56:27,199 --> 00:56:29,920
having like the other Watcher do the introduction of the show,

1267
00:56:30,760 --> 00:56:32,920
like just explaining like what the concept is. I thought

1268
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:36,920
was really interesting and a cool little creative take and overall, yeah,

1269
00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:40,119
I just I loved the team that we had here, Storm, Coahory, Peggy,

1270
00:56:40,559 --> 00:56:43,239
and Bertie. Like Bertie just being a new character for

1271
00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:46,239
me as well was really fun. And like, man, Natasha

1272
00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:50,360
Leone as the as the voice of Bertie kind of crazy,

1273
00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:52,039
Like it's a pretty big star you would have thought

1274
00:56:52,039 --> 00:56:54,360
they would get, you know, since this isn't like a

1275
00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:56,719
crossover with the live action, it's pretty crazy that they

1276
00:56:56,760 --> 00:56:58,760
got her to do this. And like when I first

1277
00:56:58,840 --> 00:57:00,960
saw her or her her and I was like, oh

1278
00:57:01,039 --> 00:57:03,360
is that Rogue, I'm like, man, what a great casting

1279
00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:05,360
for Rogue. I think that would be an interesting take

1280
00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:08,599
it they did that in like the live action, I

1281
00:57:08,639 --> 00:57:10,320
feel like we've all kind of theories that make go

1282
00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:14,039
like much younger for the X Men route. So I

1283
00:57:14,039 --> 00:57:15,840
don't know if she would be the case if she's

1284
00:57:15,920 --> 00:57:18,760
pretty here, but I thought it was an interesting combination.

1285
00:57:18,840 --> 00:57:20,599
Then realize that she's playing a different character, but it

1286
00:57:20,639 --> 00:57:23,639
still kind of works for me. Anyway, Yeah, I really

1287
00:57:23,679 --> 00:57:26,039
liked that crew, I really like the story around it.

1288
00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:29,480
I think it was just really really well done just

1289
00:57:29,519 --> 00:57:31,679
two part finale. So I don't know how much more

1290
00:57:31,719 --> 00:57:34,920
I want to say about, like specifically episode seven, because

1291
00:57:34,960 --> 00:57:36,800
I feel like, yeah, it really is more of kind

1292
00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:40,599
of introducing the team, introducing these characters and their dynamics,

1293
00:57:40,639 --> 00:57:42,320
setting up the Ultron stuff, and then we kind of

1294
00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:44,440
kick over to episode eight. But yeah, I thought this

1295
00:57:44,559 --> 00:57:46,800
was like just overall really really great two part finale.

1296
00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:50,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, this was definitely a highlight. I really enjoyed it.

1297
00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:52,679
It was a lot of fun. Getting to have that

1298
00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:56,400
Ultron character back totally caught me by surprise, and just

1299
00:57:56,480 --> 00:57:59,920
how the uh yeah, the Fifth Dimension kind of just

1300
00:58:00,079 --> 00:58:02,239
gushion and all these things kind of coming into play here.

1301
00:58:02,280 --> 00:58:04,199
There was a lot of really cool stuff and seeing

1302
00:58:04,199 --> 00:58:08,320
this kind of the Captain Peggy Carter team that's just

1303
00:58:08,440 --> 00:58:10,880
kind of like the I guess you have the multiversal

1304
00:58:10,960 --> 00:58:12,800
kind of like police Force or something like that. I

1305
00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:15,960
guess you could call them just very very cool and

1306
00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:17,239
just get in the classic characters.

1307
00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:19,440
Speaker 4: It definitely threw me for a loop when we had

1308
00:58:21,159 --> 00:58:24,800
oh god, I forgot her name already Bertie Bertie. Yeah,

1309
00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:27,360
just popping in here because I was thinking, yeah, okay,

1310
00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:27,840
who is she?

1311
00:58:28,119 --> 00:58:31,960
Speaker 1: And yeah, that's okay, that's a quick character from what

1312
00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:32,440
we saw.

1313
00:58:32,320 --> 00:58:33,280
Speaker 4: A few episodes ago.

1314
00:58:33,880 --> 00:58:37,079
Speaker 1: And yeah, I think I think the the action was fun.

1315
00:58:37,119 --> 00:58:40,679
There's a lot going on, and it was really just

1316
00:58:40,719 --> 00:58:44,840
a cool concept just to bring in Yeah, Ultron, he's

1317
00:58:44,840 --> 00:58:47,079
already juiced up on the Infinity Stones, and he's juiced

1318
00:58:47,159 --> 00:58:50,280
up on like fifth Dimension material and just all around

1319
00:58:50,360 --> 00:58:53,199
juiced up. And yeah, it was just what a desolate,

1320
00:58:53,239 --> 00:58:55,880
like depressing situation when they appeared.

1321
00:58:55,480 --> 00:58:59,000
Speaker 4: There and he's just like just standing there like just.

1322
00:58:59,159 --> 00:59:02,320
Speaker 1: What's left, you know, like there's nothing, nothing to really

1323
00:59:02,360 --> 00:59:04,760
engage with or do anymore. And you're right, Kirklan, his

1324
00:59:04,800 --> 00:59:05,800
turn was pretty quick.

1325
00:59:06,039 --> 00:59:09,119
Speaker 4: But I guess I can. I can let that slide too, though.

1326
00:59:09,119 --> 00:59:15,320
It's not not the end of the universe for me. Yes,

1327
00:59:17,679 --> 00:59:22,760
So we got the finale number eight what if? What if?

1328
00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:27,880
Speaker 3: Is that what it's called? I don't it's it's crazy. Yeah,

1329
00:59:28,079 --> 00:59:31,199
I guess the interesting this kind of starts. Rather than

1330
00:59:31,199 --> 00:59:33,880
like picking up right off the cliffhanger, we go do

1331
00:59:33,960 --> 00:59:36,840
a little origin story of u wat to getting inducted

1332
00:59:37,400 --> 00:59:39,800
into the Cult of the Watchers whatever you want to

1333
00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:42,800
call them there, uh which which was I think it

1334
00:59:42,840 --> 00:59:44,360
was kind of fun to see, but it was also

1335
00:59:44,920 --> 00:59:46,559
like we skipped so much of his origin. We don't

1336
00:59:46,559 --> 00:59:48,199
really see where he comes from. I guess his power,

1337
00:59:48,320 --> 00:59:50,360
any of this really works. It's kind of just his

1338
00:59:50,440 --> 00:59:53,440
first day on the job, so to speak. Uh So,

1339
00:59:53,480 --> 00:59:55,159
I don't know, it was still interesting to see because

1340
00:59:55,159 --> 00:59:57,039
obviously you don't want to do like a half an

1341
00:59:57,039 --> 00:59:59,679
hour origin story in the finale of the season or

1342
00:59:59,679 --> 01:00:02,480
a sea easy, right, That's not the nicest thing to do.

1343
01:00:02,599 --> 01:00:06,559
So yeah, I think this was more just the crazy

1344
01:00:06,639 --> 01:00:09,079
kind of battle episode after we kind of got all

1345
01:00:09,079 --> 01:00:12,119
the setup from episode seven, and I think it delivered

1346
01:00:12,159 --> 01:00:14,199
in that way, like once again that crew is so fun.

1347
01:00:14,239 --> 01:00:16,719
They all get their new their new suits, and then

1348
01:00:16,760 --> 01:00:19,639
they go up against the Watchers and that's similar you

1349
01:00:19,639 --> 01:00:22,039
you mentioned dragon Ball Z earlier, Kirklam, Like this was

1350
01:00:22,079 --> 01:00:26,000
just DBZ level battles, planets exploding flying around, everyone can

1351
01:00:26,039 --> 01:00:28,840
do the like dragon Ball flying smashing into each other,

1352
01:00:29,199 --> 01:00:30,559
huge orbs flying everywhere.

1353
01:00:31,119 --> 01:00:31,360
Speaker 4: It was.

1354
01:00:31,400 --> 01:00:33,599
Speaker 3: It was a really exciting battle episode, which I think

1355
01:00:33,639 --> 01:00:36,000
sometimes is a weaker thing for me, And what if

1356
01:00:36,079 --> 01:00:37,840
some of the action stuff doesn't always hit, but I

1357
01:00:37,880 --> 01:00:40,119
think it really did here. Which is the best time

1358
01:00:40,159 --> 01:00:40,719
to have it hit?

1359
01:00:42,400 --> 01:00:44,599
Speaker 5: Yeah? Yeah, no, absolutely.

1360
01:00:45,440 --> 01:00:48,039
Speaker 2: Actually, one thing I forgot to mention episode seven was

1361
01:00:48,119 --> 01:00:52,400
the shifted intro. I really dug it wasn't it was.

1362
01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:56,000
I wanted to say the Enticer, but that's not his name.

1363
01:00:57,239 --> 01:00:57,960
Speaker 5: Hell was his name?

1364
01:00:58,039 --> 01:01:02,599
Speaker 2: The the the eminence?

1365
01:01:02,639 --> 01:01:02,960
Speaker 5: There you go.

1366
01:01:03,000 --> 01:01:05,599
Speaker 2: I knew it was an easy entice or I kind

1367
01:01:05,599 --> 01:01:07,599
of like that more. Maybe that was the other guy.

1368
01:01:08,760 --> 01:01:13,800
Uh but yeah, no, I I really like this, like

1369
01:01:13,840 --> 01:01:15,119
the setup of.

1370
01:01:15,000 --> 01:01:16,760
Speaker 5: Just kind of the origin of the Watcher.

1371
01:01:17,360 --> 01:01:19,559
Speaker 2: I feel like it was just revealing some questions I

1372
01:01:19,599 --> 01:01:22,840
never really thought to ask about how someone even becomes

1373
01:01:22,920 --> 01:01:27,360
a watcher or like what is just yeah, like what

1374
01:01:27,360 --> 01:01:29,519
what it takes? And although we didn't go through the

1375
01:01:29,519 --> 01:01:32,360
whole trials and boot camp, but what a watcher does.

1376
01:01:32,599 --> 01:01:35,079
I just like the dialogue that they that they shared

1377
01:01:35,079 --> 01:01:39,159
in those moments just kind of sets up the significance

1378
01:01:39,280 --> 01:01:43,519
of just watching, just being a voyeur essentially on the

1379
01:01:43,599 --> 01:01:47,480
on the the entire existence, and it just adds a

1380
01:01:47,519 --> 01:01:52,440
little bit more meaning. I think Touatu's decision to not

1381
01:01:52,559 --> 01:01:56,360
just watch and actually intervene and even even at the

1382
01:01:56,440 --> 01:01:59,440
end of the episode when he's speaking again to you know,

1383
01:01:59,480 --> 01:02:04,639
the good old Heer and and just yeah, revealing I

1384
01:02:04,679 --> 01:02:06,960
don't know, just some things that he didn't really see.

1385
01:02:07,000 --> 01:02:12,159
How they're watching so much, well they're watching everything, but

1386
01:02:12,280 --> 01:02:14,679
like sometimes even those that are watching can just miss

1387
01:02:14,679 --> 01:02:15,119
out on some.

1388
01:02:15,079 --> 01:02:17,000
Speaker 5: Of the beauty that exists.

1389
01:02:17,000 --> 01:02:19,199
Speaker 2: So I just thought it was a touching little end

1390
01:02:19,719 --> 01:02:22,199
back and forth there. And something that kept tripping me

1391
01:02:22,239 --> 01:02:24,440
out in this episode was when Uatu was just like

1392
01:02:24,519 --> 01:02:28,199
with the other people and when they like suit up

1393
01:02:28,199 --> 01:02:29,679
and you just have the watch with these like purple

1394
01:02:29,719 --> 01:02:35,400
gauntlets and like they're kind of bobbleheady looking guys, so like,

1395
01:02:34,920 --> 01:02:38,400
so like when they were all like like together, I

1396
01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:40,079
don't know, it just seemed like his scale of his

1397
01:02:40,119 --> 01:02:42,159
body was like normal with everyone else, but his head

1398
01:02:42,239 --> 01:02:43,960
was just still so large. It seemed like when you

1399
01:02:44,039 --> 01:02:46,159
get like big head mode, you know, an old video game.

1400
01:02:46,039 --> 01:02:48,000
Speaker 3: And even during battle, like their heads and next don't

1401
01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:50,400
really move, like their whole bodies are flying around their

1402
01:02:50,400 --> 01:02:52,800
heads somehow stay completely.

1403
01:02:52,840 --> 01:02:54,360
Speaker 2: It felt like a like I don't know, like a

1404
01:02:54,400 --> 01:02:57,599
snapchat filter or something at the times. So that just

1405
01:02:57,679 --> 01:03:00,760
kept kind of getting me but for everything else, like

1406
01:03:00,800 --> 01:03:02,960
all the action. I like the setting too, of when

1407
01:03:03,000 --> 01:03:05,280
we were in that kind of in between realm where

1408
01:03:05,280 --> 01:03:08,519
the Watchers are kind of remind me of like the

1409
01:03:08,639 --> 01:03:11,119
end of Interstellar, like how that kind of looks with

1410
01:03:11,239 --> 01:03:14,079
just the different shapes and stuff, Like they're just clearly

1411
01:03:14,119 --> 01:03:15,719
in a different realm of existence.

1412
01:03:15,719 --> 01:03:17,880
Speaker 4: So they're behind the bookcases.

1413
01:03:17,360 --> 01:03:21,639
Speaker 2: Behind the bookcases. Yeah exactly. But yeah, I thought it

1414
01:03:21,679 --> 01:03:24,159
was a really solid way to not only just end

1415
01:03:24,199 --> 01:03:29,880
the season, but the end the whole show altogether. Yeah.

1416
01:03:30,320 --> 01:03:35,760
Speaker 1: Cool, this episode was. Yeah, the action was fantastic. I

1417
01:03:35,800 --> 01:03:36,599
was eating it all up.

1418
01:03:36,679 --> 01:03:39,960
Speaker 4: This is great them.

1419
01:03:40,320 --> 01:03:44,920
Speaker 1: Like there's different levels of this series where I feel like, Okay,

1420
01:03:45,559 --> 01:03:48,000
we all were all familiar with Avengers, and then they'll

1421
01:03:48,039 --> 01:03:50,119
go above and beyond where it's like, okay, now we're

1422
01:03:50,119 --> 01:03:55,000
not just dealing with Avengers. This team is like something

1423
01:03:55,039 --> 01:03:57,880
else like Avengers or whatnot. But then we got here

1424
01:03:57,920 --> 01:04:00,039
like the Mighty Avengers and all that. Like I like

1425
01:04:00,079 --> 01:04:01,840
when they have leveled up and it's like a whole

1426
01:04:01,880 --> 01:04:05,400
like an upgraded roster, and so they're already a very

1427
01:04:05,440 --> 01:04:07,320
cool team, but when they get juiced up and like

1428
01:04:07,440 --> 01:04:11,800
take the Oath of the Watcher and become like heightened beings.

1429
01:04:12,000 --> 01:04:13,840
Speaker 4: It's like that that was so cool.

1430
01:04:13,920 --> 01:04:17,679
Speaker 1: Then you got the Eminence, uh, the Incarnate and the Executioner.

1431
01:04:18,239 --> 01:04:22,159
They're all like sacrilege like ah, and it's like, fuck,

1432
01:04:22,280 --> 01:04:24,639
like this is just so cool. Like this guy Yatu

1433
01:04:24,760 --> 01:04:28,480
is just spilling your fucking secrets that are sold to

1434
01:04:28,559 --> 01:04:30,920
all these people and just using them against you. It's

1435
01:04:30,960 --> 01:04:34,239
it's so awesome and I was just I was eating

1436
01:04:34,239 --> 01:04:35,880
it up. It was it was super super cool. And

1437
01:04:35,880 --> 01:04:37,920
the fight scene was just like the whole episode. It

1438
01:04:37,960 --> 01:04:39,920
was so long and it was great. And when they

1439
01:04:40,000 --> 01:04:42,679
like I didn't you guys are talking about how they

1440
01:04:42,920 --> 01:04:45,039
got their heads don't really move, their next don't really move,

1441
01:04:45,079 --> 01:04:47,440
and so that when they're fighting, like it's just so

1442
01:04:47,599 --> 01:04:50,559
weird to see them actually fight, Like when they relinquish

1443
01:04:50,599 --> 01:04:53,000
their robes and they just have like armor on. They

1444
01:04:53,039 --> 01:04:55,599
got like Fanos style like gauntlets on their hands and

1445
01:04:55,639 --> 01:04:56,880
these celestial weapons.

1446
01:04:57,000 --> 01:04:59,480
Speaker 3: I love their weapons. They were so oh so cool.

1447
01:04:59,519 --> 01:05:00,400
Speaker 4: It was very cool.

1448
01:05:01,000 --> 01:05:03,239
Speaker 1: So when they were fighting too, it was just yeah,

1449
01:05:03,320 --> 01:05:05,960
just like the fists ya too, and I'm assuming the

1450
01:05:06,039 --> 01:05:08,079
executioner one of the other guys. It was just like

1451
01:05:08,599 --> 01:05:11,719
just like full on crazy fists, going like nuts. So

1452
01:05:11,800 --> 01:05:14,840
that was that was awesome. But yeah, everything that was

1453
01:05:14,840 --> 01:05:16,880
happening was just it was so crazy. And then you

1454
01:05:16,920 --> 01:05:20,280
got Peggy that's just you know, being as noble as ever.

1455
01:05:21,559 --> 01:05:24,360
And I thought that it capped off in a really

1456
01:05:24,480 --> 01:05:28,360
great way where you have them in strangers universe and

1457
01:05:28,480 --> 01:05:31,039
they can't use their powers here and just like look

1458
01:05:31,079 --> 01:05:33,239
up to the stars and you hear that subtle musical cue.

1459
01:05:33,280 --> 01:05:36,559
Speaker 4: It's strange. It's just like creeping down in space watching them.

1460
01:05:36,719 --> 01:05:38,480
Speaker 3: Super cool moment, Super cool.

1461
01:05:38,599 --> 01:05:39,519
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was great.

1462
01:05:40,000 --> 01:05:42,199
Speaker 1: I guess it's a shout out to the Ultron. He

1463
01:05:42,280 --> 01:05:44,079
gets bopped pretty hard. He says this is what he

1464
01:05:44,159 --> 01:05:46,039
was programmed for, which I feel like, is any kind

1465
01:05:46,079 --> 01:05:48,440
of robots like you know you're gonna die moment, But

1466
01:05:48,519 --> 01:05:51,519
you're just like, like, do you think him saying this

1467
01:05:51,559 --> 01:05:55,519
is what I was programmed for relinquishes everything that he

1468
01:05:55,639 --> 01:05:57,320
everyone that he murdered and killed, Like.

1469
01:05:57,519 --> 01:06:01,440
Speaker 2: Definitely not my he was programmed murdered everyone, So that's

1470
01:06:01,440 --> 01:06:03,320
what he's doing here. Yeah, I have to murder these

1471
01:06:03,360 --> 01:06:05,480
watchers and then I'll murder these people that took me here.

1472
01:06:06,000 --> 01:06:09,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, but pretty crazy when they just he just got killed.

1473
01:06:09,039 --> 01:06:11,679
And I love how that scene transitions too. As soon

1474
01:06:11,719 --> 01:06:14,400
as they cracked his head, Uh, this is right when

1475
01:06:14,679 --> 01:06:16,559
our group basically had the idea, Okay, we need to

1476
01:06:16,559 --> 01:06:18,199
get the Strangest Universe. And as soon as they cracked

1477
01:06:18,199 --> 01:06:20,480
Altron's head, yachts He's like, it's too late, and then

1478
01:06:20,559 --> 01:06:21,679
they just like appeared in it.

1479
01:06:21,639 --> 01:06:24,159
Speaker 4: In the ship like no more running, and then they

1480
01:06:24,239 --> 01:06:26,519
just casting them out. It was just so great.

1481
01:06:27,119 --> 01:06:30,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a good showcase of just like we

1482
01:06:30,400 --> 01:06:33,960
see Ultron literally take out all of existence and then

1483
01:06:34,360 --> 01:06:37,559
he's doing he's souped up, now he's got the shard,

1484
01:06:37,639 --> 01:06:40,239
and then he's doing everything he can against the U

1485
01:06:40,760 --> 01:06:43,519
the Enticer here, and the Enticer just stares him down,

1486
01:06:43,679 --> 01:06:46,239
walks right up to him and yeah, just grabs his

1487
01:06:46,280 --> 01:06:46,800
little skull.

1488
01:06:46,880 --> 01:06:48,639
Speaker 5: So I thought it was an epic moment.

1489
01:06:49,679 --> 01:06:51,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think there's there's just a really good job

1490
01:06:51,519 --> 01:06:56,559
of capping off everything that we've seen in the show

1491
01:06:56,599 --> 01:06:58,960
to this point, like taking some of the highlight moments

1492
01:06:58,960 --> 01:07:01,519
and the strongest being that we've seen across these different

1493
01:07:01,519 --> 01:07:04,480
worlds and kind of having that culmination moment with the

1494
01:07:04,519 --> 01:07:08,920
Ultron and Strange stuff just really cool. And I don't know,

1495
01:07:09,320 --> 01:07:10,719
did you, guys. I feel like the way that they

1496
01:07:10,800 --> 01:07:13,320
ended it also kind of like left the door open

1497
01:07:13,360 --> 01:07:15,079
if they wanted to do another seasons, So I don't know.

1498
01:07:15,159 --> 01:07:16,920
I wonder if during the making of this if they

1499
01:07:17,000 --> 01:07:18,800
knew this was going to be the final season, or

1500
01:07:18,840 --> 01:07:21,800
if they kind of have decided that since then. I mean,

1501
01:07:21,840 --> 01:07:23,639
they could always just bring it back if they want to.

1502
01:07:23,679 --> 01:07:26,880
There's nothing stopping them if it makes big numbers or something.

1503
01:07:26,880 --> 01:07:29,360
But it's always hard to tell with a streaming show

1504
01:07:29,480 --> 01:07:32,320
like this, like how is it doing relatively a movie

1505
01:07:32,320 --> 01:07:34,440
in a box office that's much more cut and dry

1506
01:07:34,480 --> 01:07:37,519
to see, right, But yeah, I feel like they still

1507
01:07:37,599 --> 01:07:39,039
kind of left the door open, even if they did

1508
01:07:39,079 --> 01:07:41,559
a really good job of maybe not tying up every

1509
01:07:41,599 --> 01:07:44,239
loose end, but like the most important, the most substantial

1510
01:07:44,239 --> 01:07:45,800
ones that matter mm hmm.

1511
01:07:46,199 --> 01:07:48,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like the pieces are there for them to pick

1512
01:07:48,840 --> 01:07:50,840
it up they want, but they still kind of close

1513
01:07:50,920 --> 01:07:54,920
the chapter on the Watchers in that situation. So yeah,

1514
01:07:55,159 --> 01:07:56,679
it was it was a smart way to do it,

1515
01:07:56,719 --> 01:07:59,400
because if they end up wanting to pick it up again,

1516
01:07:59,480 --> 01:08:02,000
it's not like they have to start from scratch and like,

1517
01:08:02,039 --> 01:08:04,239
remember that story, Well, this is another version of that

1518
01:08:04,239 --> 01:08:07,599
that they can just build upon still get Uatu in there.

1519
01:08:09,280 --> 01:08:11,079
Speaker 1: I think that these characters too, that they've kind of

1520
01:08:11,199 --> 01:08:13,840
focused on over these past three seasons, I think that

1521
01:08:13,880 --> 01:08:16,520
they've built this little sandbox up enough now that they

1522
01:08:16,520 --> 01:08:19,159
could probably pull from that and put into live action

1523
01:08:19,279 --> 01:08:21,600
at some point. And I mean, when we saw Peggy

1524
01:08:21,640 --> 01:08:24,720
Carter in Doctor Strange Twoards of Madness, that was exciting because, like,

1525
01:08:24,720 --> 01:08:27,279
we already saw her in in What If, so we

1526
01:08:27,319 --> 01:08:30,119
know it's not the same Peggy Carter obviously, but it

1527
01:08:30,199 --> 01:08:32,199
was still cool to see a variant that we saw

1528
01:08:32,199 --> 01:08:33,800
on What If appear there. And so I think that

1529
01:08:33,800 --> 01:08:36,680
there's a strong chance that those other variants will pop up,

1530
01:08:37,560 --> 01:08:38,720
uh in live action.

1531
01:08:40,199 --> 01:08:42,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I guess like technically the show will kind

1532
01:08:42,479 --> 01:08:45,119
of live on. Do you think we're still getting zombies?

1533
01:08:45,319 --> 01:08:46,119
Is that still happening?

1534
01:08:46,279 --> 01:08:48,359
Speaker 4: Yes, zombies is still happening.

1535
01:08:50,479 --> 01:08:52,239
Speaker 3: I like to hear how confident you are in that.

1536
01:08:52,319 --> 01:08:55,840
I don't know if I trust. I don't think i've

1537
01:08:55,840 --> 01:08:57,560
heard any development stuff on this.

1538
01:08:57,319 --> 01:09:00,479
Speaker 1: Scheduled for October twenty twenty five, Okay, it supposed to

1539
01:09:00,479 --> 01:09:03,159
be a four episode series. Cool and yeah, so I

1540
01:09:03,159 --> 01:09:04,760
guess that in some way that will kind of continue

1541
01:09:04,800 --> 01:09:06,439
one thread that we got from this show, so we'll

1542
01:09:06,439 --> 01:09:10,319
see if other stuff happens too. But yeah, Also that

1543
01:09:10,359 --> 01:09:12,520
the Spider Man thing that played at the top of

1544
01:09:12,560 --> 01:09:15,399
episode eight, I think that little Spider Man teaser.

1545
01:09:15,479 --> 01:09:17,039
Speaker 3: Is that a new thing? I feel like I have

1546
01:09:17,119 --> 01:09:20,479
not seen that clip yet or did you guys get the.

1547
01:09:20,560 --> 01:09:22,760
Speaker 5: Start of episode eight? I skipped fast that.

1548
01:09:23,000 --> 01:09:25,319
Speaker 3: I think, Oh there was a little like trailer, like

1549
01:09:25,319 --> 01:09:29,199
a little minute is it for show? Yeah, Freshman Year?

1550
01:09:29,600 --> 01:09:31,720
So I don't maybe that trailers happened and I just

1551
01:09:31,760 --> 01:09:33,439
missed the newscast when we broke it down, but I

1552
01:09:33,479 --> 01:09:34,720
had not seen that clip before.

1553
01:09:34,920 --> 01:09:38,880
Speaker 1: They did just drop a trailer for Freshman Year like

1554
01:09:38,920 --> 01:09:40,359
this week like on YouTube.

1555
01:09:40,399 --> 01:09:43,680
Speaker 4: Oh okay, yeah, so maybe that's oh.

1556
01:09:44,000 --> 01:09:46,199
Speaker 3: Like maybe after this finale, like they kind of paired

1557
01:09:46,199 --> 01:09:47,600
it with the finale and then just maybe.

1558
01:09:47,439 --> 01:09:49,399
Speaker 4: That's what they did. Yeah.

1559
01:09:50,279 --> 01:09:53,720
Speaker 3: Yeah. Animation style, I mean it looks similar to what if.

1560
01:09:53,760 --> 01:09:55,600
It kind of has like a low frame rate like uh,

1561
01:09:56,439 --> 01:10:00,680
Spider Reverse, but not quite as high qualities. We'll see

1562
01:10:00,680 --> 01:10:02,960
how that goes, but yeah, I'm sure that'll be fun.

1563
01:10:02,960 --> 01:10:04,680
That's it then of January. That's kind of sneaking up

1564
01:10:04,680 --> 01:10:06,520
on me. To be honest, I didn't think that was

1565
01:10:06,520 --> 01:10:11,520
coming out. Yeah, so soon quick, Yeah. I think the

1566
01:10:11,560 --> 01:10:13,119
only last thing for me is just kind of like

1567
01:10:13,760 --> 01:10:16,000
talking about some of those funny images we saw at

1568
01:10:16,000 --> 01:10:21,479
the end. They kind of freaky hybrids. But you finally

1569
01:10:21,479 --> 01:10:22,640
got you finally got your boy.

1570
01:10:22,720 --> 01:10:27,319
Speaker 1: Hey yeah, hopefully not his only representation in the MCU

1571
01:10:27,800 --> 01:10:28,840
Samurai ghost.

1572
01:10:28,640 --> 01:10:32,439
Speaker 4: Rider, Oh my god. Oh we like.

1573
01:10:32,439 --> 01:10:34,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, fired Katana the horse and everything like that. That

1574
01:10:34,960 --> 01:10:36,640
was so so sick.

1575
01:10:36,920 --> 01:10:38,880
Speaker 4: Why did we not get a wet IF episode with that?

1576
01:10:38,880 --> 01:10:41,319
That's just you bastards.

1577
01:10:41,840 --> 01:10:44,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's funny because they some of these episodes really

1578
01:10:44,439 --> 01:10:46,560
kind of veered off of things that have even occurred

1579
01:10:46,560 --> 01:10:48,840
in the mc so it's like, what's stopping them? I

1580
01:10:48,840 --> 01:10:51,239
don't know. Maybe we'll see him like Ghostar. It seems

1581
01:10:51,239 --> 01:10:54,239
like a perfect Zombies type of character to pop up.

1582
01:10:54,239 --> 01:10:56,199
But is that because all the other characters seem to

1583
01:10:56,239 --> 01:10:59,039
be like blended versions of two characters. Was that Silver

1584
01:10:59,119 --> 01:11:02,760
Samurai and Ghostwriter or was it just a Ghostwriter Samurai version?

1585
01:11:02,800 --> 01:11:04,960
Do you think because we saw like a Thanos Wolverine,

1586
01:11:05,479 --> 01:11:08,199
we saw it with like a Jubilee Silver Serverer, which

1587
01:11:08,279 --> 01:11:10,399
was crazy that's.

1588
01:11:10,239 --> 01:11:11,159
Speaker 4: A good point.

1589
01:11:11,319 --> 01:11:14,840
Speaker 1: Actually, I mean from what I from what I had found,

1590
01:11:14,920 --> 01:11:17,680
it didn't seem like that was really the case, like

1591
01:11:17,720 --> 01:11:19,840
the description, but I mean maybe.

1592
01:11:19,920 --> 01:11:22,159
Speaker 4: I mean it fits. It totally fits, And you're right.

1593
01:11:22,199 --> 01:11:25,039
All of these characters that they showed are basically combinations

1594
01:11:25,079 --> 01:11:26,319
of other cure.

1595
01:11:26,560 --> 01:11:29,079
Speaker 3: There was like a Hulk Strange or a Hulk Long

1596
01:11:29,239 --> 01:11:29,880
or something like that.

1597
01:11:30,560 --> 01:11:32,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's super sick.

1598
01:11:33,000 --> 01:11:36,199
Speaker 1: Actually, when I think about it, do you have anything

1599
01:11:36,239 --> 01:11:36,880
else you want to show it?

1600
01:11:36,960 --> 01:11:39,079
Speaker 4: On that Kirkland? You want me to read through the list?

1601
01:11:39,479 --> 01:11:40,720
Speaker 5: Keep going, No, I'm ready.

1602
01:11:40,720 --> 01:11:41,079
Speaker 4: Okay.

1603
01:11:41,760 --> 01:11:45,479
Speaker 1: We got really Reary Williams as Punisher, so instead of

1604
01:11:45,520 --> 01:11:47,680
being Iron Hart, she's got high tech weapons, all that

1605
01:11:47,760 --> 01:11:50,359
kind of stuff, punish her symbol Spider Man with six arms,

1606
01:11:51,720 --> 01:11:53,960
special serum like O of his powers and ended up

1607
01:11:54,039 --> 01:11:55,720
developing eight limbs instead.

1608
01:11:56,439 --> 01:11:59,119
Speaker 3: Okay, so it's not him in Spiral, the Great Spiral

1609
01:11:59,159 --> 01:12:02,039
who we've seen in the I don't think so.

1610
01:12:03,840 --> 01:12:09,560
Speaker 4: Moonnight Blade variant, which just sounds so cool, fits very well. Yeah,

1611
01:12:11,880 --> 01:12:14,640
a black half mask and a white costume, glowing white eyes.

1612
01:12:15,119 --> 01:12:18,840
We got Gomora the Witch. Gamora's appearance.

1613
01:12:20,439 --> 01:12:22,439
Speaker 3: Really fast, so I didn't catch every one of these.

1614
01:12:22,560 --> 01:12:26,479
Speaker 1: They went by really freaking fast wasp Miss Marvel, so

1615
01:12:26,520 --> 01:12:29,199
it's like Kamala Khan and Jene Van Dyne combined together.

1616
01:12:29,640 --> 01:12:32,359
Speaker 3: That was one character that I'm like, interesting, Miss Marvel

1617
01:12:32,399 --> 01:12:34,600
didn't pop up because she wasn't in season two either,

1618
01:12:34,760 --> 01:12:34,960
was she?

1619
01:12:36,880 --> 01:12:37,920
Speaker 4: Why do I think she was?

1620
01:12:39,119 --> 01:12:42,720
Speaker 2: I don't recall if she was, I don't think so.

1621
01:12:43,119 --> 01:12:45,399
Speaker 3: But yeah, that was one that really surprised me that

1622
01:12:45,439 --> 01:12:47,760
we didn't get her, considering we got like so many

1623
01:12:47,760 --> 01:12:50,359
other people from these phases, or at least like representation

1624
01:12:50,479 --> 01:12:54,000
from a lot of the different movies and series and stuff.

1625
01:12:54,680 --> 01:12:57,439
I'm just gonna in Mon's like IMDb because I feel

1626
01:12:57,439 --> 01:12:58,600
like it.

1627
01:13:00,079 --> 01:13:02,159
Speaker 4: No Captain Marvel, but no Miss Marble.

1628
01:13:03,760 --> 01:13:08,119
Speaker 1: Yeah anyway, sorry, Uh Kingo in the Iron Man suit.

1629
01:13:08,399 --> 01:13:09,399
Speaker 4: That's pretty sweet.

1630
01:13:11,199 --> 01:13:14,239
Speaker 1: Uh they labeled this as Maestro Hulk, but that's what

1631
01:13:14,279 --> 01:13:16,079
you were showing out there, Dylan with Hulk wearing like

1632
01:13:16,079 --> 01:13:21,399
the cloacal levitation Howard the duck that was rocking like

1633
01:13:21,439 --> 01:13:23,960
Scarlet Witch kind of garb, which is very cool.

1634
01:13:25,680 --> 01:13:27,439
Speaker 3: Damn, I gotta watch the scene again. I missed some.

1635
01:13:28,039 --> 01:13:30,000
Speaker 4: There's a few extras here that I missed because we

1636
01:13:30,119 --> 01:13:31,399
got the Dazzler.

1637
01:13:31,000 --> 01:13:34,359
Speaker 3: Silver surfer, you believe, but Dazzler, Okay.

1638
01:13:34,319 --> 01:13:38,479
Speaker 1: Dazzler, Yeah, Demonic Hawkeye, it's like a demon hawk gy wear,

1639
01:13:38,600 --> 01:13:40,680
like a purple suit, like a demon like head.

1640
01:13:41,600 --> 01:13:43,960
Speaker 4: A Scraull Captain America. That one was cool.

1641
01:13:44,840 --> 01:13:45,079
Speaker 6: M m.

1642
01:13:47,319 --> 01:13:49,079
Speaker 4: There was a deadpool.

1643
01:13:49,239 --> 01:13:51,800
Speaker 1: I make like tons of like a whole bunch of

1644
01:13:51,880 --> 01:13:55,640
weapons and stuff like that. A Circe and Dane Whitman

1645
01:13:55,840 --> 01:13:59,000
we're seen dancing together in the finale montage.

1646
01:14:00,199 --> 01:14:01,600
Speaker 3: That's from The Eternals.

1647
01:14:01,880 --> 01:14:05,520
Speaker 4: And who Who's Dane Whitman? Is that kid Harrington's character?

1648
01:14:05,680 --> 01:14:06,479
Speaker 3: Oh? I think it is?

1649
01:14:06,720 --> 01:14:09,600
Speaker 4: It is? Okay, that's neat. So they were.

1650
01:14:09,720 --> 01:14:12,840
Speaker 1: They wore costumes that reflective fashion nineteen twenties, nineteen thirties

1651
01:14:13,239 --> 01:14:15,680
saying or Sung Chi is star Lord. That's a very

1652
01:14:15,680 --> 01:14:20,600
cool variant white scarlet, a variant of one of Maximov.

1653
01:14:20,680 --> 01:14:22,760
But she's wearing a red and white costume.

1654
01:14:23,039 --> 01:14:23,840
Speaker 4: That's kind of cool.

1655
01:14:24,239 --> 01:14:24,520
Speaker 2: Nice.

1656
01:14:25,439 --> 01:14:27,920
Speaker 1: The Lady Loki saw that one in there as well.

1657
01:14:28,359 --> 01:14:30,640
And then a young Hella.

1658
01:14:31,000 --> 01:14:33,439
Speaker 4: Okay, I think that's all that I was able to.

1659
01:14:33,760 --> 01:14:35,920
Just a young hell, a young hell for all, like

1660
01:14:36,000 --> 01:14:37,000
a wild mash up.

1661
01:14:37,199 --> 01:14:38,159
Speaker 5: It's like adolescent.

1662
01:14:39,399 --> 01:14:42,159
Speaker 4: Well, they need more kids, right, that's what they're looking

1663
01:14:42,199 --> 01:14:42,920
for it. Yeah.

1664
01:14:43,439 --> 01:14:46,760
Speaker 2: I love the aesthetic of all these definitely some of them,

1665
01:14:46,920 --> 01:14:49,119
like I just pulled up while you were going through them,

1666
01:14:49,119 --> 01:14:52,640
because I definitely missed a lot of these. I feel

1667
01:14:52,640 --> 01:14:55,479
like I only releasaw Spider Man. I did not see

1668
01:14:55,960 --> 01:15:01,119
two years younger Hella. But I like, especially like the

1669
01:15:01,119 --> 01:15:03,840
whole one where he's got like the just the mystic

1670
01:15:03,920 --> 01:15:05,880
arts going off. It just reminds me of like when

1671
01:15:05,880 --> 01:15:08,000
you have like a world of warcraft, like an Orc

1672
01:15:08,079 --> 01:15:10,000
Warlock or something. It's just like the same as that.

1673
01:15:11,079 --> 01:15:11,840
Speaker 5: I just liked it.

1674
01:15:13,159 --> 01:15:16,720
Speaker 3: One question for you guys. So the obviously the whole

1675
01:15:16,760 --> 01:15:19,600
point of the Watchers the rest of Watchers going against

1676
01:15:19,640 --> 01:15:22,119
Uatu is that he kind of broke his oath and

1677
01:15:22,159 --> 01:15:24,680
he started intermingling with these worlds a little bit. And

1678
01:15:24,720 --> 01:15:27,960
so we saw that where he whispers down to rear

1679
01:15:29,359 --> 01:15:31,960
to fight back essentially, and then at the end they're

1680
01:15:32,000 --> 01:15:35,560
talking about all these other times that he's intervened. And

1681
01:15:35,880 --> 01:15:38,439
I didn't really like the Madison joke. It was kind

1682
01:15:38,439 --> 01:15:40,560
of a funny callback, but I felt like the scene

1683
01:15:40,600 --> 01:15:42,680
was very serious. I don't know if we needed that

1684
01:15:42,880 --> 01:15:45,319
particular one thrown in there. But I just because I

1685
01:15:45,399 --> 01:15:48,399
don't have the greatest memory at all, just generally speaking,

1686
01:15:48,680 --> 01:15:51,119
do we see other moments in the previous seasons of

1687
01:15:51,159 --> 01:15:55,239
his intervening, because I'm guessing they were referencing like one

1688
01:15:55,279 --> 01:15:57,840
or two that we saw when Altron.

1689
01:15:57,479 --> 01:15:59,840
Speaker 1: Became like super super aware and could like see through

1690
01:15:59,880 --> 01:16:02,800
the veil into the fifth dimension and see the Watcher.

1691
01:16:02,840 --> 01:16:05,039
The Watcher kind of brought the heroes from different universes

1692
01:16:05,079 --> 01:16:06,239
together to fight him.

1693
01:16:06,159 --> 01:16:08,119
Speaker 6: Right right, And I don't put that blame.

1694
01:16:08,439 --> 01:16:10,319
Speaker 1: I like that should not be like, if he's got

1695
01:16:10,359 --> 01:16:13,560
a list of like issues and like things that he

1696
01:16:13,600 --> 01:16:15,399
did wrong in that court, that should not be brought

1697
01:16:15,439 --> 01:16:17,640
up to to like put against him. Because the watch

1698
01:16:17,760 --> 01:16:20,399
the Watcher got saw Altron got so powerful. I fucking

1699
01:16:20,439 --> 01:16:22,479
saw the guy so and your name is clear.

1700
01:16:23,119 --> 01:16:25,039
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like I wonder how the other ones feel about that,

1701
01:16:25,039 --> 01:16:27,359
because it's like they're just trying to defend themselves. Really

1702
01:16:27,399 --> 01:16:29,159
at that point, it's like I just got to assemble

1703
01:16:29,399 --> 01:16:31,119
the strongest people that I've seen in all my all

1704
01:16:31,199 --> 01:16:33,880
my days watching. But yeah, I was wondering just because

1705
01:16:33,960 --> 01:16:37,279
all those references of times that he's intervened didn't seem like, Okay,

1706
01:16:37,279 --> 01:16:38,920
well we haven't seen all of those, but we've seen

1707
01:16:38,960 --> 01:16:41,000
some of some of them, and I was getting a

1708
01:16:41,000 --> 01:16:43,039
little confused. But more of the story is that he

1709
01:16:43,119 --> 01:16:45,319
kind of went against it multiple times, not just that

1710
01:16:45,359 --> 01:16:48,159
one time with Rey was kind of a culmination of things,

1711
01:16:48,720 --> 01:16:50,239
and then I guess this time it was just a

1712
01:16:50,239 --> 01:16:54,239
bigger deal. It was like had a bigger butterfly effect

1713
01:16:54,239 --> 01:16:57,640
and that's why they had issues with it. So it

1714
01:16:57,720 --> 01:16:59,479
was cool, though, I like that the whole story line

1715
01:16:59,479 --> 01:17:00,199
is really interesting.

1716
01:17:00,680 --> 01:17:02,840
Speaker 1: I don't think it helps either when Peggy Carter just

1717
01:17:02,840 --> 01:17:05,640
pops up there like I'm gonna save or save them

1718
01:17:05,680 --> 01:17:08,119
and like you're supposed to be no one. The Watchers

1719
01:17:08,119 --> 01:17:12,159
don't have attachments, and he's like, well I am someone.

1720
01:17:11,960 --> 01:17:13,359
Speaker 3: Like I am.

1721
01:17:13,560 --> 01:17:15,159
Speaker 4: Yeah, I want to So.

1722
01:17:16,880 --> 01:17:18,680
Speaker 3: I can see why they did this as an animated

1723
01:17:18,720 --> 01:17:20,800
series at the end of it here, because I imagine

1724
01:17:20,840 --> 01:17:23,960
this final episode. This is the last two episodes in

1725
01:17:24,000 --> 01:17:30,960
live action on the volume. Yeah, crazy, So I can

1726
01:17:31,000 --> 01:17:32,039
see why they did it this way.

1727
01:17:32,680 --> 01:17:34,359
Speaker 4: Mm hmmm, yeah cool.

1728
01:17:34,880 --> 01:17:38,199
Speaker 1: Uh, well, you guys want to just close closing thoughts, ratings.

1729
01:17:39,680 --> 01:17:43,479
Speaker 2: Closing thoughts. I'm really glad that this existed. I yeah,

1730
01:17:43,600 --> 01:17:46,399
I think this is a great thing that they did here.

1731
01:17:47,560 --> 01:17:48,319
I pretty much just.

1732
01:17:48,239 --> 01:17:48,840
Speaker 5: Want more of it.

1733
01:17:48,840 --> 01:17:50,319
Speaker 2: I'm kind of sad that's coming to an end for

1734
01:17:50,319 --> 01:17:54,920
the season. I feel like if they didn't try to

1735
01:17:54,920 --> 01:17:58,039
make it such like a contained like story with the

1736
01:17:58,079 --> 01:18:00,439
Watchers want to and all that stuff, like this could

1737
01:18:00,439 --> 01:18:02,880
have been like a twenty seven season plus show of

1738
01:18:02,960 --> 01:18:05,439
right of just doing like random what if scenarios that

1739
01:18:05,479 --> 01:18:08,119
are just like, well, this happened differently, and then we

1740
01:18:08,159 --> 01:18:11,359
tell that tale and it's and it's not overall contained.

1741
01:18:11,840 --> 01:18:16,039
Since they did do that decision, I feel like if

1742
01:18:16,079 --> 01:18:19,199
they went longer, it could have probably just caused more

1743
01:18:19,239 --> 01:18:22,239
issues and like been a harder overall story to Palette.

1744
01:18:22,279 --> 01:18:23,439
Speaker 5: So yeah, I don't know.

1745
01:18:23,560 --> 01:18:26,399
Speaker 2: It's three seasons. I think it's okay. Even though I

1746
01:18:26,439 --> 01:18:28,079
was liking it so much, I would have wanted more.

1747
01:18:28,600 --> 01:18:31,399
But yeah, I know, I'm really digging some of these

1748
01:18:31,439 --> 01:18:34,239
setups because it just seems like when you go on

1749
01:18:34,359 --> 01:18:36,439
like I don't know, like fan art of like what

1750
01:18:36,479 --> 01:18:38,399
would have Matt, Like what would it be like to

1751
01:18:38,439 --> 01:18:41,600
have I don't know, Hulka's doctor strange, Like we didn't

1752
01:18:41,600 --> 01:18:43,439
get that episode, but we least saw like the images

1753
01:18:43,479 --> 01:18:48,239
for it. So I just liked this for those reasons,

1754
01:18:48,279 --> 01:18:51,720
and I kind of sad thinking that we won't ever

1755
01:18:51,760 --> 01:18:53,520
get more of that. So I am hoping that even

1756
01:18:53,520 --> 01:18:55,159
if we don't get another what if show, we get

1757
01:18:55,199 --> 01:18:58,800
something similar at some way in a Disney Plus setting.

1758
01:18:58,880 --> 01:19:03,159
So yeah, no, I I really really dug it. I

1759
01:19:03,199 --> 01:19:06,199
can't remember if we numbered seasons or anything. I was

1760
01:19:06,199 --> 01:19:08,800
giving a lot of thumbs up this this episode, So

1761
01:19:10,159 --> 01:19:11,439
what do you what are you doing there, Taylor?

1762
01:19:11,439 --> 01:19:14,079
Speaker 5: Are you thinking with those eyebrows or no?

1763
01:19:14,119 --> 01:19:14,399
Speaker 6: I was?

1764
01:19:14,479 --> 01:19:14,680
Speaker 4: I was.

1765
01:19:14,680 --> 01:19:16,199
Speaker 1: I was sure where you meant, like if we numbered

1766
01:19:16,199 --> 01:19:18,079
the seasons, and I was like, well, there's seasons one,

1767
01:19:18,119 --> 01:19:18,560
season two.

1768
01:19:21,720 --> 01:19:22,640
Speaker 3: Let me let me help.

1769
01:19:22,520 --> 01:19:28,359
Speaker 2: Out like number number ratings, and if we did, I

1770
01:19:28,399 --> 01:19:31,560
would put it below season one. I can't remember what

1771
01:19:31,640 --> 01:19:33,920
I gave those numbers, So if I had a rank them, yeah,

1772
01:19:33,960 --> 01:19:36,039
season one, season three, and then season two would be

1773
01:19:36,079 --> 01:19:38,239
the order that I would choose.

1774
01:19:38,279 --> 01:19:41,399
Speaker 5: But good time, good time talking about with you guys.

1775
01:19:41,600 --> 01:19:44,319
Speaker 3: I just had a thought. So of course, every year

1776
01:19:44,359 --> 01:19:47,520
we do an MCU draft where we draft characters that

1777
01:19:47,600 --> 01:19:49,880
are going to appear and stuff. I know where you're

1778
01:19:49,880 --> 01:19:53,640
going with this, Like, Taylor, you have Punisher on your list, Like,

1779
01:19:53,680 --> 01:19:55,680
are you getting a point for this screenshot we got

1780
01:19:55,680 --> 01:20:00,640
of like a punisher variant, or it's gonna get complicated quick.

1781
01:20:00,800 --> 01:20:02,680
Speaker 4: Because I got iron Heart on there too, don't.

1782
01:20:02,520 --> 01:20:07,039
Speaker 3: I Taylor does not have iron Heart. Sorry, I hate

1783
01:20:07,039 --> 01:20:08,319
to break it too. I think we all knew that

1784
01:20:08,319 --> 01:20:10,399
it got delayed, so I don't think anyone picked iron Heart,

1785
01:20:10,840 --> 01:20:16,640
but Kirkle and you have Dazzler, So Dazzler. Yeah, I'll

1786
01:20:16,640 --> 01:20:19,680
think the points. I had Scarlet Witch. I guess there

1787
01:20:19,720 --> 01:20:21,239
was like a variant of her that kind.

1788
01:20:21,119 --> 01:20:22,640
Speaker 4: Of Howard ducks Scarlet Witch.

1789
01:20:22,760 --> 01:20:26,039
Speaker 3: And they asked anyone had Howard uat Travis at Well,

1790
01:20:26,079 --> 01:20:30,239
I mean obviously wat is in there. Oh man, Yeah,

1791
01:20:30,319 --> 01:20:33,800
that's gonna be very complicated. However we calculate that, calculate

1792
01:20:33,840 --> 01:20:34,920
it distracted by that.

1793
01:20:35,399 --> 01:20:35,600
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1794
01:20:35,640 --> 01:20:39,199
Speaker 3: Final thoughts for me, I think that it's interesting, like

1795
01:20:39,199 --> 01:20:40,640
from the very beginning of the show, and it seemed

1796
01:20:40,680 --> 01:20:42,279
like what they were doing more was season one, I

1797
01:20:42,319 --> 01:20:44,239
would say, and we didn't really see more of this

1798
01:20:44,319 --> 01:20:47,359
until season two. Is that this show isn't just eight

1799
01:20:47,439 --> 01:20:51,159
random episodes of random things, like it is a interconnected series.

1800
01:20:51,720 --> 01:20:54,800
That is that was always kind of careening to this

1801
01:20:54,920 --> 01:20:57,319
particular moment where it ended here, where it kind of

1802
01:20:57,359 --> 01:20:59,279
brought a lot of things together. Now, there are still

1803
01:20:59,279 --> 01:21:01,680
a lot of loose three left out there, certain storylines

1804
01:21:01,680 --> 01:21:04,960
that we aren't getting or things like that. And obviously

1805
01:21:05,039 --> 01:21:07,319
we still technically have zombies, which is going to be

1806
01:21:07,359 --> 01:21:09,479
a continuation of an episode from season one, which is

1807
01:21:09,560 --> 01:21:11,920
kind of awkward that we didn't get anything of in

1808
01:21:11,960 --> 01:21:14,560
season two or three, Right, So technically, I guess what

1809
01:21:14,640 --> 01:21:17,000
if if you count zombies in there as like a

1810
01:21:17,039 --> 01:21:19,439
what if scenario that's just getting its own four parter.

1811
01:21:20,000 --> 01:21:22,800
This series hasn't even really ended yet, But I think

1812
01:21:22,840 --> 01:21:27,000
it's really bold and a much difficult, much more difficult

1813
01:21:27,520 --> 01:21:29,680
thing to write, to create a show like this that

1814
01:21:30,479 --> 01:21:33,159
is much more ambitious than just crazy little one off scenarios,

1815
01:21:33,199 --> 01:21:35,039
but is instead trying to connect a lot of the

1816
01:21:35,079 --> 01:21:37,960
threads and along the way they do or don't. And

1817
01:21:38,000 --> 01:21:40,359
even like Howard the Duck thing that was kind of

1818
01:21:40,399 --> 01:21:42,239
a random, funny little episode, but then it turned out

1819
01:21:42,319 --> 01:21:45,079
that it led to like Birdie, who we don't really

1820
01:21:45,119 --> 01:21:47,000
see Birdie growing up or whatever, but we see that

1821
01:21:47,039 --> 01:21:49,000
Birdie's like a huge part of the finale here, so

1822
01:21:49,039 --> 01:21:50,720
it kind of comes together in a weird way, and

1823
01:21:50,760 --> 01:21:53,479
we're getting characters from like that Peggy was from season one,

1824
01:21:53,760 --> 01:21:57,199
Storm I guess was not from anywhere. This is her

1825
01:21:57,199 --> 01:22:00,399
first appearance, right and coreyous extent, So yeah, I guess

1826
01:22:00,640 --> 01:22:02,239
I yeah, not wrong, not wrong there.

1827
01:22:02,319 --> 01:22:03,079
Speaker 4: So I don't know.

1828
01:22:03,119 --> 01:22:07,119
Speaker 3: I think that's that is a difficult writing challenge, I'm sure.

1829
01:22:07,159 --> 01:22:08,720
And I think the fact that they kind of stuck

1830
01:22:08,720 --> 01:22:10,760
the landing. Now once again, I have not watched season

1831
01:22:10,840 --> 01:22:12,399
one or two in a while, so it's like, I'm

1832
01:22:12,439 --> 01:22:13,800
sure if I did, i'd be like, oh, well, here's

1833
01:22:13,800 --> 01:22:15,279
all these loose threads that they left open. But I

1834
01:22:15,319 --> 01:22:17,560
think they did a really impressive job. And as far

1835
01:22:17,600 --> 01:22:20,640
as this season, I don't know. Maybe it's a recency bias,

1836
01:22:20,640 --> 01:22:22,640
but I do think it's probably my favorite season. I

1837
01:22:22,640 --> 01:22:25,439
didn't love season two so much. I'd probably go season three,

1838
01:22:25,479 --> 01:22:27,920
season one, season two in terms of my order. And

1839
01:22:27,920 --> 01:22:29,520
I think the best thing for the season is that,

1840
01:22:29,560 --> 01:22:31,560
like all the best episodes were in the back half

1841
01:22:31,560 --> 01:22:33,600
for me, with the exception of the Howard episode, because

1842
01:22:33,640 --> 01:22:35,399
I did really enjoy that one as well. But yeah,

1843
01:22:35,520 --> 01:22:37,680
like it just had a really solid back half, and

1844
01:22:37,680 --> 01:22:39,640
that's a great thing for a show to end for

1845
01:22:40,199 --> 01:22:42,399
if you want to consider this a serious finale once again,

1846
01:22:42,520 --> 01:22:44,720
Zombies kind of makes that throws a little wrench in that.

1847
01:22:45,600 --> 01:22:48,159
But overall, had a good time with this. What do

1848
01:22:48,239 --> 01:22:49,439
I want to give it? For a number for this

1849
01:22:49,520 --> 01:22:52,840
and maybe give it like a I'd probably got a seven.

1850
01:22:52,880 --> 01:22:54,439
Maybe that seems low, but I think it's just not

1851
01:22:54,479 --> 01:22:56,119
really my cup of tea. But even though it isn't,

1852
01:22:56,159 --> 01:22:59,319
it still managed to tell an interesting, unique story and

1853
01:22:59,439 --> 01:23:02,359
had some good laughs along the way. So there you go.

1854
01:23:02,560 --> 01:23:03,520
That's my final thoughts.

1855
01:23:04,600 --> 01:23:08,239
Speaker 1: Oh yes, uh, this had some It had some highs,

1856
01:23:08,239 --> 01:23:10,039
but it had too many lows for me, So I'm

1857
01:23:10,079 --> 01:23:13,800
definitely not very positive in the overall season three. I

1858
01:23:13,840 --> 01:23:15,760
think there's a lot of stuff that you could probably skip,

1859
01:23:15,880 --> 01:23:18,880
But it's tricky to say that because it is one

1860
01:23:18,960 --> 01:23:22,359
moving forward to COHESI moving forward cohesive narrative, and so

1861
01:23:22,399 --> 01:23:24,199
you don't necessarily want to skip because you're gonna miss

1862
01:23:24,239 --> 01:23:26,720
certain things and backstories on certain characters that are introduced.

1863
01:23:26,960 --> 01:23:28,560
Speaker 3: You could skip episodes one, two, and three.

1864
01:23:29,680 --> 01:23:32,960
Speaker 5: Yes, yes, season one, come on.

1865
01:23:34,199 --> 01:23:38,239
Speaker 4: Episode Oh I thought you said that would be.

1866
01:23:42,720 --> 01:23:44,640
Speaker 6: There's a lot of.

1867
01:23:44,640 --> 01:23:47,479
Speaker 1: Good stuff that season one is for me, that's the

1868
01:23:47,479 --> 01:23:49,840
the Beasnyes. That's my number one at the top of

1869
01:23:49,880 --> 01:23:52,800
the list, and then season two I'd probably put it second,

1870
01:23:52,880 --> 01:23:56,279
and then season three will be there, so it's it's

1871
01:23:56,319 --> 01:23:59,119
a fitting numbered list for me right there.

1872
01:23:59,319 --> 01:24:03,000
Speaker 4: I'm gonna probably go after Cirkling system.

1873
01:24:03,800 --> 01:24:05,319
Speaker 5: You're too kind. I was just gonna say, I.

1874
01:24:06,880 --> 01:24:09,039
Speaker 2: I feel like you you love season one, season two,

1875
01:24:09,079 --> 01:24:11,119
season three, and in this episode you're making a point

1876
01:24:11,159 --> 01:24:13,359
of so like the humor was really taking me out

1877
01:24:13,359 --> 01:24:14,880
of it. I feel like you just haven't rewatched season

1878
01:24:14,920 --> 01:24:16,840
one season two because like throughout the whole show, they

1879
01:24:17,199 --> 01:24:22,119
they definitely have that goofiness, uh sprinkled throughout. Maybe maybe

1880
01:24:22,159 --> 01:24:24,239
the season has a little bit more, but I definitely

1881
01:24:24,279 --> 01:24:27,479
feel like it wasn't too much off the needle in

1882
01:24:27,520 --> 01:24:30,840
the sense of being goofy, but probably just recently it's

1883
01:24:30,840 --> 01:24:33,920
probably just been grading on you. You don't have been

1884
01:24:33,960 --> 01:24:35,760
bother you that much. Season to bother you a little

1885
01:24:35,760 --> 01:24:38,560
bit more. Season three, here you are. You're like, fuck

1886
01:24:38,640 --> 01:24:39,960
these jokes. I'm so dumb with this.

1887
01:24:40,319 --> 01:24:41,960
Speaker 4: After having a kid. It just turned me into a

1888
01:24:41,960 --> 01:24:42,720
bitter asshole.

1889
01:24:44,159 --> 01:24:45,319
Speaker 3: I can't take it anymore.

1890
01:24:47,600 --> 01:24:50,319
Speaker 2: Smoking a cigarette watching the season every like joke. You're

1891
01:24:50,399 --> 01:24:53,159
just getting more and more mad crushing beers throwing them at.

1892
01:24:53,039 --> 01:24:57,000
Speaker 4: The at the TV movie Shine. Maybe the Moonshine, Yeah,

1893
01:24:57,079 --> 01:24:57,680
the Moonshine.

1894
01:24:57,760 --> 01:25:00,560
Speaker 1: I should rewatch the season one and two actually and

1895
01:25:00,640 --> 01:25:02,359
get an updated gauge.

1896
01:25:02,319 --> 01:25:05,199
Speaker 4: On that, especially now that we're finished. It's kind of

1897
01:25:05,199 --> 01:25:07,119
more of a start to finish kind of watch.

1898
01:25:07,159 --> 01:25:11,960
Speaker 1: But yeah, I think overall my rating is probably i'd probably,

1899
01:25:12,680 --> 01:25:15,840
I'd probably go After talking with you guys, there were

1900
01:25:15,880 --> 01:25:17,680
some positives. I go a five out of ten because

1901
01:25:17,680 --> 01:25:19,520
there was stuff I enjoyed, But there's a lot of

1902
01:25:19,520 --> 01:25:21,640
stuff I just really was checking out for and I

1903
01:25:21,680 --> 01:25:24,600
wasn't really engaging with that at the end of the day.

1904
01:25:25,239 --> 01:25:27,840
Seeing what we got at the end of this episode

1905
01:25:27,880 --> 01:25:32,920
and all of those potential variants just knocked it out

1906
01:25:32,960 --> 01:25:35,039
of the park for me. And that is something I

1907
01:25:35,039 --> 01:25:37,159
would have loved to have seen more of instead of

1908
01:25:37,199 --> 01:25:39,720
a lot of the stuff we got here, like cruises

1909
01:25:39,760 --> 01:25:43,960
and eating eggs and are like group bonds and all

1910
01:25:44,000 --> 01:25:47,000
that kind of stuff that's just not doing it, And

1911
01:25:47,079 --> 01:25:50,079
so that's unfortunate that we don't get a lot of stuff,

1912
01:25:50,119 --> 01:25:55,119
mainly Samurai Rider that's uh fuck Smaid potential greatness, but

1913
01:25:56,279 --> 01:25:58,159
just got too short handed too soon.

1914
01:25:58,279 --> 01:26:00,600
Speaker 2: So yeah, do you wish you didn't even see it,

1915
01:26:00,640 --> 01:26:02,800
because now it's like, well, fuck, they had the design,

1916
01:26:02,880 --> 01:26:05,159
they it clearly could have done a whole episode about it.

1917
01:26:06,560 --> 01:26:07,680
Speaker 3: He'll pop up in zombies.

1918
01:26:08,560 --> 01:26:10,000
Speaker 4: Maybe we'll pop up in zombies.

1919
01:26:10,000 --> 01:26:11,800
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, they got the They took the time

1920
01:26:11,840 --> 01:26:14,279
to design all of those characters and do all of that,

1921
01:26:14,439 --> 01:26:18,439
and so maybe there's something in the future that they

1922
01:26:18,439 --> 01:26:21,159
could do. I'm not expecting like an eight part animated

1923
01:26:21,199 --> 01:26:25,119
series of Samurai Ryder from Marvel Animation, but that would

1924
01:26:25,119 --> 01:26:25,840
be pretty nice.

1925
01:26:26,159 --> 01:26:27,680
Speaker 4: I'd take it or give me.

1926
01:26:28,039 --> 01:26:29,520
Speaker 3: Uh well, I mean.

1927
01:26:29,439 --> 01:26:31,479
Speaker 1: They can always take that and utilize it in another

1928
01:26:31,520 --> 01:26:36,520
animated form. There was a lot of not Defenders Midnight

1929
01:26:36,600 --> 01:26:38,399
Sun's characters. I felt like in here we didn't get

1930
01:26:38,399 --> 01:26:40,560
any like Werewolf, but we got like Punisher and like

1931
01:26:40,960 --> 01:26:44,720
Moonnight Yeah, or Strange and all these different versions of that.

1932
01:26:44,800 --> 01:26:46,039
Speaker 4: So it'd be cool if they did.

1933
01:26:45,960 --> 01:26:48,720
Speaker 1: Like an animated variant of Midnight Suns or something like that,

1934
01:26:48,760 --> 01:26:49,680
just for fun.

1935
01:26:49,920 --> 01:26:53,000
Speaker 2: But you just reminded me when you said Defenders the

1936
01:26:53,039 --> 01:26:55,520
boy in the Western episode, is that not Iron Fists?

1937
01:26:55,520 --> 01:26:57,960
Because at the end they say he's got fists of iron.

1938
01:26:58,479 --> 01:26:59,880
Speaker 3: Oh, I totally missed that.

1939
01:27:00,399 --> 01:27:02,279
Speaker 5: I could not. You forgot about it until right now.

1940
01:27:02,319 --> 01:27:04,680
Speaker 3: I mean it's not the one I'm familiar in terms

1941
01:27:04,680 --> 01:27:05,119
of name.

1942
01:27:05,239 --> 01:27:08,520
Speaker 5: I guess, yeah, I'm like Danny something is his name, and.

1943
01:27:08,520 --> 01:27:10,439
Speaker 3: Danny Wren is that, Yeah, the one in the like

1944
01:27:11,159 --> 01:27:12,520
Defenders Netflix show.

1945
01:27:13,000 --> 01:27:15,640
Speaker 2: But there's different Like okay, like I'm sure there, it's

1946
01:27:15,680 --> 01:27:16,720
like a ghostwriterer thing.

1947
01:27:16,800 --> 01:27:22,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, probably Young Fan Is that a young talented fighter

1948
01:27:22,359 --> 01:27:24,760
who is implied to have a connection Iron Fist via.

1949
01:27:24,680 --> 01:27:25,840
Speaker 4: A totally line.

1950
01:27:25,880 --> 01:27:26,600
Speaker 3: I think that might be.

1951
01:27:26,760 --> 01:27:28,359
Speaker 2: I thought you were asking us, but you were like

1952
01:27:28,399 --> 01:27:32,439
posing it in a very uh dis vertical article.

1953
01:27:32,680 --> 01:27:34,680
Speaker 3: I think that was his name, wasn't it in here?

1954
01:27:34,760 --> 01:27:35,000
Speaker 5: Yeah?

1955
01:27:36,239 --> 01:27:39,079
Speaker 1: In Marvel Comics, Young Fan is a predecessor of Danny

1956
01:27:39,079 --> 01:27:42,279
Wren and the Iron Fist Man right On first appeared

1957
01:27:42,279 --> 01:27:45,479
in Immortal Iron Fistnber seventeen, and he served as Iron

1958
01:27:45,479 --> 01:27:48,720
Fist in eighteen seventy eight during the wh was.

1959
01:27:49,000 --> 01:27:51,159
Speaker 5: We were talking about that?

1960
01:27:51,159 --> 01:27:54,000
Speaker 4: That's a good poll, super grateful?

1961
01:27:54,880 --> 01:27:55,159
Speaker 3: Cool?

1962
01:27:56,600 --> 01:27:58,920
Speaker 1: All right, So well there you have it, iron Fist.

1963
01:27:59,359 --> 01:28:04,039
We'll be back in the new year five with more wonderful.

1964
01:28:03,600 --> 01:28:05,760
Speaker 4: Geek First stuff, so stay tuned.

1965
01:28:05,800 --> 01:28:08,760
Speaker 2: Best heiriet yeah, best, yeah, bestiot.

1966
01:28:09,039 --> 01:28:11,079
Speaker 1: I'm sure we got lots of stuff like Golden Geeks

1967
01:28:11,079 --> 01:28:14,319
and movie previews and all that kind of stuff.

1968
01:28:14,439 --> 01:28:17,159
Speaker 4: Or did we do the movie preview? We did that

1969
01:28:17,199 --> 01:28:18,479
with Travis a long time ago.

1970
01:28:18,520 --> 01:28:20,600
Speaker 3: Didn't know it's in the can, Taylor, it's in the can? Yeah,

1971
01:28:20,640 --> 01:28:22,479
sorav you got to do a game preview though, so

1972
01:28:22,600 --> 01:28:24,720
maybe okay, cool?

1973
01:28:25,239 --> 01:28:28,720
Speaker 1: Well, thanks again everyone, have a good New Year's and yeah,

1974
01:28:28,840 --> 01:28:29,680
see you in the search bar.

1975
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Speaker 3: So yeah,