WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.160 --> 00:00:47.399 Oh that's are Hello and welcome to the show. 2 00:00:47.560 --> 00:00:50.880 This is the Cult of Conspiracy and I am the 3 00:00:50.920 --> 00:00:53.320 Cage to night, I'm Raving Lee. And today we have 4 00:00:53.359 --> 00:00:56.159 one a newie, but as soon to be homeboy. I'm 5 00:00:56.159 --> 00:00:57.799 gonna be honest with you. I was gonna say a newie, 6 00:00:57.799 --> 00:00:59.920 but a goodie. But you know it's a newbie but 7 00:01:00.079 --> 00:01:03.799 soon to be a homeboy. Everybody. Welcome Jacob from Rise 8 00:01:03.840 --> 00:01:06.480 to Liberty Podcast, my brother. Thank you for coming on 9 00:01:06.519 --> 00:01:07.239 the show this evening. 10 00:01:08.000 --> 00:01:10.000 Yeah, of course, thank you so much for having me. 11 00:01:10.200 --> 00:01:12.799 It's a true blessing to be here. 12 00:01:13.120 --> 00:01:16.200 Appreciate that, man, absolutely. So how long have you been 13 00:01:16.359 --> 00:01:19.200 into the content creation space? How long has the pod 14 00:01:19.280 --> 00:01:20.040 been up and running? 15 00:01:20.439 --> 00:01:24.640 So let's see, I just passed four years. 16 00:01:25.640 --> 00:01:32.439 Yeah, although I've only been like covering the parapolitical conspiracy 17 00:01:32.719 --> 00:01:35.519 research stuff for like a year and a half, I 18 00:01:35.560 --> 00:01:39.519 was doing third party politics before that, and you know, 19 00:01:39.599 --> 00:01:43.599 I was super involved in my local libertarian party stuff 20 00:01:43.640 --> 00:01:43.920 like that. 21 00:01:44.000 --> 00:01:45.959 When you said third party, I had to ask, next, 22 00:01:45.959 --> 00:01:50.239 what was that party? Libertarians? Although I do like where 23 00:01:50.239 --> 00:01:53.840 they're coming from, the Libertarian party is also eating itself 24 00:01:53.879 --> 00:01:57.200 alive from the inside out from in fighting and it's like, y'all, 25 00:01:57.280 --> 00:01:59.159 y'all kind of missing the point here. 26 00:01:59.159 --> 00:02:02.879 Right, yeah, right, well, And I mean I'm a hardcore anarchist, 27 00:02:03.120 --> 00:02:04.680 you know, and so that was kind of where I 28 00:02:04.719 --> 00:02:08.560 came from. But I was in charge of a county party. 29 00:02:09.120 --> 00:02:11.960 I was in charge of communications for a state party, 30 00:02:12.360 --> 00:02:15.000 you know, so I had like heavy influence and could 31 00:02:15.400 --> 00:02:18.599 could influence a really cool state party, which I did 32 00:02:19.159 --> 00:02:23.120 and still do, you know, to a smaller degree. But 33 00:02:24.919 --> 00:02:28.639 it's just I don't like the state, you know. So 34 00:02:29.400 --> 00:02:31.680 I have a big issue with that. Not that I 35 00:02:31.719 --> 00:02:34.120 don't believe in rule of law, because I do, but 36 00:02:36.319 --> 00:02:38.919 it's it's just I don't believe that you can act 37 00:02:39.039 --> 00:02:43.800 ethically in an unethical system, and so, you know, fighting 38 00:02:43.800 --> 00:02:47.159 it from a different angle nowadays, you know, like getting 39 00:02:47.199 --> 00:02:49.680 my house in order, getting the chemicals out of my house, 40 00:02:50.159 --> 00:02:52.759 you know, making my own laundry detergent, making sure my 41 00:02:52.759 --> 00:02:54.879 family eats non poisoned food, you know. 42 00:02:55.479 --> 00:02:57.800 Yeah, which is really important act in that way. It's 43 00:02:57.919 --> 00:02:59.919 very important. But a lot of people don't even realize 44 00:03:00.080 --> 00:03:02.039 how much work is involved with that because out loud, 45 00:03:02.039 --> 00:03:04.840 that sounds so easy, right, It's you just make a 46 00:03:04.879 --> 00:03:07.439 couple of things you're just cooking good foods. It's like, no, no, no, 47 00:03:07.520 --> 00:03:09.879 have you read any of the labels like this takes 48 00:03:09.919 --> 00:03:12.240 an insane amount of work to do the very basics 49 00:03:12.319 --> 00:03:13.039 on your own. 50 00:03:13.400 --> 00:03:16.439 Launder Desurgent's pretty easy to make, but it's a lot 51 00:03:16.479 --> 00:03:18.520 of the other stuff when you actually start going through 52 00:03:18.520 --> 00:03:22.400 your entire house. I was watching a holistic person that 53 00:03:22.520 --> 00:03:24.319 was like, look, you're going to start here, and it's 54 00:03:24.360 --> 00:03:26.360 going to take you at least five solid years to 55 00:03:26.439 --> 00:03:28.400 even get to the point where you can get the 56 00:03:28.400 --> 00:03:30.840 majority of stuff out of your house, because we've been 57 00:03:30.919 --> 00:03:34.000 so accustomed to everything that we have in our houses 58 00:03:34.439 --> 00:03:38.000 that is actually poisoning us from all different types of ways. 59 00:03:38.080 --> 00:03:41.199 And so it's a lot more work than what people 60 00:03:41.240 --> 00:03:45.840 really understand, like your shampoo, your conditioners, your even your 61 00:03:45.840 --> 00:03:48.800 toilet paper, which is a Your toilet paper. 62 00:03:48.560 --> 00:03:50.000 Has a ton of chemicals intols. 63 00:03:50.199 --> 00:03:53.759 Yeah, paper towels, I actually do reusable paper towels are bleached. 64 00:03:54.520 --> 00:03:56.520 All paper products are bleached. 65 00:03:56.919 --> 00:03:59.280 And then you start looking at the food and everything 66 00:03:59.360 --> 00:04:02.919 is poisoned in one every or another. And you know, 67 00:04:03.520 --> 00:04:05.840 my personal opinion though, is that that's where the front 68 00:04:05.840 --> 00:04:08.560 line of this whole like tyrannical system. 69 00:04:08.680 --> 00:04:09.560 Is it's in our house. 70 00:04:10.560 --> 00:04:13.680 So that's where we've got to be fighting it. 71 00:04:13.240 --> 00:04:14.000 I hear it is. 72 00:04:14.039 --> 00:04:17.040 It is quite difficult with the food let alone. Well 73 00:04:17.079 --> 00:04:17.279 I do. 74 00:04:18.040 --> 00:04:20.879 I do reusable paper towels, and I have a lot 75 00:04:20.920 --> 00:04:23.399 of reusable things and stuff like that in my house. 76 00:04:23.839 --> 00:04:25.839 And people always come over and look at me because 77 00:04:25.839 --> 00:04:28.560 I have jars of you know, reusable paper towels. 78 00:04:28.319 --> 00:04:29.000 All over the place. 79 00:04:30.839 --> 00:04:33.160 But they like but they were made with it. Well, 80 00:04:33.199 --> 00:04:35.399 they're supposed to be put back on the roll. I 81 00:04:35.399 --> 00:04:37.160 did it for a year. I got lazy and so 82 00:04:37.240 --> 00:04:38.279 I put them back in the jar. 83 00:04:38.360 --> 00:04:41.360 So I'm not talking. It's really thin rags that you 84 00:04:41.480 --> 00:04:42.160 use the paper. 85 00:04:42.040 --> 00:04:44.199 Towel, yeah, but then them But then I have other 86 00:04:44.439 --> 00:04:47.680 like just rags because I actually just my mom is 87 00:04:47.720 --> 00:04:50.240 the one that's like, I need paper towels and when 88 00:04:50.240 --> 00:04:52.800 I come down, so I have paper towels for her. 89 00:04:53.120 --> 00:04:55.639 But otherwise I don't really like to keep paper towels 90 00:04:55.680 --> 00:04:58.480 in my house. But it's kind of crazy though, because 91 00:04:58.519 --> 00:05:00.959 then you try to get or you know, organic or 92 00:05:01.399 --> 00:05:06.120 non bleached toilet paper, and it's crap. Honestly, A lot 93 00:05:06.160 --> 00:05:08.839 of them aren't very well, aren't very good, I will say, 94 00:05:08.839 --> 00:05:11.879 like replacing your toothbrushes with bamboo tooth brushes. Like there 95 00:05:11.879 --> 00:05:14.560 are a lot of really cool groups that are on 96 00:05:14.639 --> 00:05:18.600 Instagram that are actually reusable, recyclable and environmental friendly groups 97 00:05:18.639 --> 00:05:20.800 that you can replace a lot of your stuff with 98 00:05:21.360 --> 00:05:23.920 and they teach you. They have actual guides to teach 99 00:05:23.920 --> 00:05:25.720 you how to make a lot of this stuff yourself. 100 00:05:27.079 --> 00:05:30.600 It's my little pet project too. I actually really enjoy 101 00:05:30.680 --> 00:05:36.120 that stuff, and it's a slow, slow transition. It is 102 00:05:36.160 --> 00:05:39.160 so hard because I went so hardcore into it right 103 00:05:39.199 --> 00:05:42.639 away and I burnt myself out way too fast because 104 00:05:42.680 --> 00:05:44.040 it was just like, oh my gosh, I'm trying to 105 00:05:44.079 --> 00:05:45.480 raise all these kids and trying to do all these 106 00:05:45.519 --> 00:05:47.959 things and trying to make all my own product. It's 107 00:05:48.040 --> 00:05:51.319 just so much easier. So I've learned how to go 108 00:05:51.439 --> 00:05:54.199 slow about doing it. But like you know, a little garden, 109 00:05:54.279 --> 00:05:56.600 I'm looking at compost bin. That's my next goal for 110 00:05:56.600 --> 00:05:58.839 the summer is getting my compost bin up and running. 111 00:05:58.920 --> 00:06:01.079 So I hear you when you say this. 112 00:06:01.079 --> 00:06:04.399 That's the problem too, right, is because it's all supposed 113 00:06:04.439 --> 00:06:08.199 to be convenience. That's really how we have gotten to 114 00:06:08.240 --> 00:06:10.959 where we are is convenience. Yes, And it's just like 115 00:06:11.360 --> 00:06:14.279 it is a hell of a lot more convenient to 116 00:06:14.319 --> 00:06:18.240 just go to the grocery store and buy something that 117 00:06:18.360 --> 00:06:21.959 is pre made there or to you know, so many 118 00:06:22.040 --> 00:06:25.600 people run to McDonald's, you know, for dinner, and I 119 00:06:25.639 --> 00:06:27.839 get it. That's how it was sold to the American 120 00:06:27.879 --> 00:06:31.879 people initially, and convenience has just kind of taken over 121 00:06:31.920 --> 00:06:37.199 our lives. And unfortunately that is the downside. But that's 122 00:06:37.319 --> 00:06:42.040 like part of this whole like American lie. Some people 123 00:06:42.079 --> 00:06:43.160 call it the American dream. 124 00:06:43.160 --> 00:06:43.959 I disagree. 125 00:06:44.000 --> 00:06:45.879 I don't think that that's what the American dream was 126 00:06:46.000 --> 00:06:49.000 or is. But it's the whole rat race thing. 127 00:06:49.199 --> 00:06:49.399 You know. 128 00:06:49.600 --> 00:06:51.879 It's like, oh, we're always just so busy all the time, 129 00:06:51.879 --> 00:06:53.480 and there's so much slow. 130 00:06:53.240 --> 00:06:53.959 Down, you know. 131 00:06:54.040 --> 00:06:57.879 Yeah, the slowing down aspect is really hard for I 132 00:06:57.879 --> 00:07:00.959 mean even for myself. I mean, my lord, I think 133 00:07:01.079 --> 00:07:04.240 we spent all day working on social media stuff and 134 00:07:04.279 --> 00:07:06.720 working on posts and doing this, also cleaning the house 135 00:07:06.720 --> 00:07:08.680 and I'm putting away you know, I'm doing all these 136 00:07:08.720 --> 00:07:11.000 other things, and so it's definitely a. 137 00:07:11.639 --> 00:07:14.279 I will say that when when I started working for myself, 138 00:07:14.959 --> 00:07:19.600 I got way way fucking busier, Like legitimately, there's only 139 00:07:19.600 --> 00:07:21.079 twenty four hours on the day. Man, When I was 140 00:07:21.120 --> 00:07:24.160 working twelve hour rotating shifts, Yeah that sucked, don't get 141 00:07:24.160 --> 00:07:27.560 me wrong, But I had downtime, like I would be 142 00:07:27.600 --> 00:07:29.759 expected to come home and just do a couple of 143 00:07:29.759 --> 00:07:31.439 little things here and there, and like that was gonna 144 00:07:31.480 --> 00:07:34.759 be it for the day. Now, man, six hours of 145 00:07:34.800 --> 00:07:36.920 sleep sounds like a fucking wet dream at this point, like, 146 00:07:36.959 --> 00:07:38.879 oh my god, you. 147 00:07:38.839 --> 00:07:39.759 Know what I really want to do. 148 00:07:39.839 --> 00:07:42.120 I've actually never made my own sour I'm gonna be 149 00:07:42.120 --> 00:07:43.800 the white person right here, a sourdough starter. 150 00:07:44.199 --> 00:07:46.160 But you're such a white woman. Look, you know what 151 00:07:47.399 --> 00:07:47.920 I want. 152 00:07:47.920 --> 00:07:49.839 Mad, because I want to make my own I actually 153 00:07:49.839 --> 00:07:50.879 really like sourdough. 154 00:07:50.920 --> 00:07:52.600 I actually I have a sourdam. 155 00:07:52.680 --> 00:07:55.279 I have a bread machine that my mom and my 156 00:07:55.319 --> 00:07:57.839 grandma got from KVC way. 157 00:07:57.360 --> 00:07:57.800 Back in the day. 158 00:07:57.839 --> 00:07:59.959 I don't really shit, yeah, I don't know if you 159 00:08:00.040 --> 00:08:02.519 well know what that is, but I have a really 160 00:08:02.519 --> 00:08:05.120 cool bread machine, and I have the manual and everything 161 00:08:05.120 --> 00:08:08.160 in my grandma passed I got it and I'm like, okay, I'm. 162 00:08:07.959 --> 00:08:08.639 Gonna use it. 163 00:08:08.680 --> 00:08:10.399 And then I was just looking at it the other 164 00:08:10.480 --> 00:08:13.120 day and like, okay, I really need to actually do this. 165 00:08:13.399 --> 00:08:15.120 Maybe not the sour dough, because I don't know if 166 00:08:15.120 --> 00:08:17.120 I have the patience to wait on this bitch to rise. 167 00:08:17.199 --> 00:08:19.240 But I can at least use the bed machine, the 168 00:08:19.240 --> 00:08:20.079 bread machine. 169 00:08:20.480 --> 00:08:25.319 Start with like Irish soda bread. Okay, like three ingredients 170 00:08:25.879 --> 00:08:27.879 and it's super easy. You just throw it like. You 171 00:08:27.879 --> 00:08:29.920 don't have to wait for it to rise or anything. 172 00:08:30.279 --> 00:08:32.320 You just like literally mix it up. It's kind of 173 00:08:32.320 --> 00:08:35.200 a wet, shaggy dough. Okay, throw it in a bread pan, 174 00:08:35.360 --> 00:08:37.279 throw it in the oven. You can have it ready 175 00:08:37.320 --> 00:08:40.639 for dinner. I mean, it's super easy and it's it's 176 00:08:40.720 --> 00:08:41.720 absolutely amazing. 177 00:08:41.759 --> 00:08:43.120 So Irish soda bread is. 178 00:08:43.080 --> 00:08:45.279 A good I'm gonna have to look into it. 179 00:08:45.879 --> 00:08:48.840 Yeah, it's a great starting bread for anyone that wants 180 00:08:48.840 --> 00:08:50.240 to start doing the whole bread thing. 181 00:08:50.639 --> 00:08:55.799 I actually bought my daughter she wanted indoor hydropronic gardens 182 00:08:55.840 --> 00:08:59.279 for Christmas. So now she has a mini greenhouse and 183 00:08:59.320 --> 00:09:02.840 an actual, yeah, an actual higher opponent garden that's gonna 184 00:09:02.879 --> 00:09:05.440 be producing food for her throughout the year. 185 00:09:05.639 --> 00:09:07.200 So when it comes to. 186 00:09:07.159 --> 00:09:09.840 Gardening, I really love gardening. My dad had had a 187 00:09:09.840 --> 00:09:13.919 big green thumb. Cooking is not the place that I 188 00:09:14.080 --> 00:09:17.120 enjoy I'm not terrible at it, but it's not my jam. 189 00:09:17.159 --> 00:09:20.000 I'm gonna be honest with you. I'd rather be outside 190 00:09:20.000 --> 00:09:22.879 working with my hands than in the house doing things 191 00:09:22.919 --> 00:09:23.120 like that. 192 00:09:23.440 --> 00:09:25.879 I like both. I love cooking, it's. 193 00:09:25.720 --> 00:09:26.600 Just not my jam. 194 00:09:26.720 --> 00:09:29.559 So it's like, well, my dad was a really big 195 00:09:29.600 --> 00:09:32.159 cook and my mom loves a cook, and so between 196 00:09:32.200 --> 00:09:34.480 the two of them, they were always the ones cooking. 197 00:09:34.919 --> 00:09:36.720 I was outside doing all the chores and all of 198 00:09:36.799 --> 00:09:38.559 that stuff, and I'm like, yeah, I like to be outside. 199 00:09:38.600 --> 00:09:40.000 I like to be outdoors, and. 200 00:09:39.919 --> 00:09:41.720 Then I'm sitting in the kitchen, I'm like, oh my god, 201 00:09:41.720 --> 00:09:43.480 I don't want to do all this. So trying to 202 00:09:43.480 --> 00:09:47.559 find ways to incorporate the being like fresh garden that 203 00:09:47.600 --> 00:09:49.039 way I could just kind of like chop it up 204 00:09:49.039 --> 00:09:51.480 and this is what I'm eating has been the most 205 00:09:51.480 --> 00:09:53.879 beneficial for me at least, cause, yeah, I don't like 206 00:09:53.879 --> 00:09:54.720 to stand her own cook. 207 00:09:54.799 --> 00:09:55.679 I'm not gonna lie. 208 00:09:56.120 --> 00:09:58.480 So with all that you're talking about making your own 209 00:09:58.639 --> 00:10:01.240 materials so to speak, as far as your house concerned, 210 00:10:01.720 --> 00:10:04.159 and like y'all are both saying to get started in that, 211 00:10:04.320 --> 00:10:06.080 it takes a lot of work. You baby step it, 212 00:10:06.120 --> 00:10:08.399 But I mean, how many steps before you're basically running 213 00:10:08.399 --> 00:10:10.720 your own self sufficient farm, you know what I mean, Like, 214 00:10:11.039 --> 00:10:13.279 you're pretty much there. Do you have a farm that 215 00:10:13.320 --> 00:10:15.240 you're running right now? Are you working that way? 216 00:10:15.360 --> 00:10:15.720 No? 217 00:10:15.720 --> 00:10:19.279 No, that's that that is the direction we are working. Yeah, 218 00:10:19.320 --> 00:10:24.080 so I mean it's only a matter of time. We're 219 00:10:24.120 --> 00:10:27.559 talking quails chickens. You know, got the whole thing. 220 00:10:27.720 --> 00:10:30.639 So chickens are pretty easy though. 221 00:10:31.240 --> 00:10:33.120 Right, Well, in the same with quails too, because you 222 00:10:33.159 --> 00:10:36.720 can have a you can have more quails per square 223 00:10:36.759 --> 00:10:39.519 foot than you can chicken, Yes you can. They're quieter 224 00:10:39.600 --> 00:10:41.879 and everything. But I love both, so we're getting both. 225 00:10:41.960 --> 00:10:43.759 But their eggs are so much smaller though. Yeah, but 226 00:10:43.759 --> 00:10:47.320 they're so good. But quailies actually sell more. 227 00:10:48.159 --> 00:10:51.320 Right They also lay like fourteen a day. 228 00:10:51.399 --> 00:10:53.600 What like, Yeah, they lay a whole bunch of days, 229 00:10:53.639 --> 00:10:55.799 so they're actually more beneficial when you do the cost 230 00:10:55.879 --> 00:10:56.720 analysis and. 231 00:10:56.639 --> 00:10:58.639 You can sell them for more. I had no idea. 232 00:10:59.480 --> 00:11:00.799 Yeah, I have buddies that have. 233 00:11:00.879 --> 00:11:03.320 A whole bunch of cells are the way to go, 234 00:11:03.679 --> 00:11:06.200 like starting out, They really are. My brother had quails, 235 00:11:06.240 --> 00:11:08.720 but he couldn't keep them bitches alive that you had 236 00:11:08.840 --> 00:11:12.159 had minks. They he had minks, He had coons, He 237 00:11:12.159 --> 00:11:14.399 had a couple of different predators, the chickens. He had 238 00:11:14.399 --> 00:11:16.360 a couple of roosters out there, and they pretty much 239 00:11:16.360 --> 00:11:17.919 handled it up on the chicken hawks and ship. 240 00:11:18.039 --> 00:11:22.000 But the quails geese are the ones that fight back, 241 00:11:22.000 --> 00:11:24.799 and if you raise them together, then the geese actually 242 00:11:24.840 --> 00:11:28.360 think that they're chickens. No ship, so yeah, and then 243 00:11:28.399 --> 00:11:31.399 the yeah they are there. 244 00:11:31.440 --> 00:11:33.559 So I just I just watched one take on this 245 00:11:33.720 --> 00:11:36.360 massive hawk and beat the dog shit out of it. 246 00:11:36.399 --> 00:11:39.799 On Instagram, I was like, my sister got, I actually gott. 247 00:11:40.120 --> 00:11:41.919 This is a weird, random story. But I got into 248 00:11:42.000 --> 00:11:45.559 a fight with the geese before, and it was because 249 00:11:45.639 --> 00:11:47.879 my son was little and we were walking up towards 250 00:11:47.879 --> 00:11:48.279 the pond. 251 00:11:48.360 --> 00:11:49.440 He was nowhere near it. 252 00:11:49.480 --> 00:11:51.559 This scene comes out of nowhere and here I am 253 00:11:51.600 --> 00:11:53.919 holding my kid up all the way. Well, I'm like 254 00:11:54.320 --> 00:11:57.039 like Street Spartan kicking this geese. I'm like, you were 255 00:11:57.039 --> 00:11:59.639 gonna die today, you bitch. And I have had a 256 00:11:59.639 --> 00:12:02.960 hatred to geese since that day, and every time we. 257 00:12:03.000 --> 00:12:05.600 See geese, my son's like, no, I'm not going here. 258 00:12:05.879 --> 00:12:08.720 They make guns like you didn't carry. 259 00:12:08.919 --> 00:12:11.840 I was in the apartment complex, like I was. It 260 00:12:11.879 --> 00:12:13.720 was like a sunny day. It was like nine o'clock 261 00:12:13.720 --> 00:12:14.279 in the morning. 262 00:12:14.440 --> 00:12:16.720 I mean, you could still spartan kick it. 263 00:12:17.080 --> 00:12:17.399 I did. 264 00:12:17.440 --> 00:12:20.279 I really spartan kicked the crab out the thing and 265 00:12:20.440 --> 00:12:21.840 was it was a whole vibe. 266 00:12:21.840 --> 00:12:23.080 I had bites all over my leg. 267 00:12:23.120 --> 00:12:25.600 I'm not gonna kill my kid today because my sister 268 00:12:25.600 --> 00:12:27.440 got bit in the face really bad, cut her whole 269 00:12:27.519 --> 00:12:29.399 eye open and all this stuff she had have stitches. 270 00:12:30.559 --> 00:12:33.679 They're mean, they're mean, mean. Yeah. 271 00:12:33.720 --> 00:12:36.679 But to answer your question, I'm so, I'm from Utah, 272 00:12:36.799 --> 00:12:39.399 born and raised, and that's that's where I'm at now. 273 00:12:39.799 --> 00:12:44.200 Okay, So now amongst the mountains, were you brought up 274 00:12:44.240 --> 00:12:48.240 in the Church of Latter day Saints? Oh yeah, okay, 275 00:12:48.320 --> 00:12:50.799 So you are you considering yourself a mountain Jew these 276 00:12:50.840 --> 00:12:54.799 days or no? So? 277 00:12:55.559 --> 00:12:58.720 I long story short. You know, I left the church 278 00:12:58.759 --> 00:13:02.159 about thirteen years old. I had a really bad experience 279 00:13:02.200 --> 00:13:06.399 with an elder member, and then I went through the 280 00:13:06.440 --> 00:13:10.200 whole teenage rebellion for sure, and then about my early twenties, 281 00:13:10.759 --> 00:13:15.080 I actually became a Leaveyan Satanist and was a Satanist 282 00:13:15.159 --> 00:13:19.440 for about ten years, and then just recently, like within 283 00:13:19.519 --> 00:13:26.360 the last i'd say four five years I left Satanism 284 00:13:26.399 --> 00:13:29.720 and found my way back to Christ, so I earned them. 285 00:13:29.960 --> 00:13:33.679 I'm not LDS now, I'm kind of just figuring things out, 286 00:13:34.120 --> 00:13:37.559 kind of looking the Orthodox route. But you know, I'm 287 00:13:37.639 --> 00:13:39.720 kind of just baby stepping my way through the whole 288 00:13:39.720 --> 00:13:42.639 thing and just putting my feelers out there, seeing what 289 00:13:42.720 --> 00:13:43.279 feels right. 290 00:13:43.480 --> 00:13:46.080 So I hear that your story as far as having 291 00:13:46.159 --> 00:13:47.919 a bad experience with an elder, and I'm not going 292 00:13:47.960 --> 00:13:49.639 to ask you to get into the details of it, 293 00:13:49.679 --> 00:13:52.799 but we have heard so many horror stories to every 294 00:13:52.840 --> 00:13:54.879 direction you want to go with that. For the record 295 00:13:55.320 --> 00:13:59.639 of abuses suffered at the hands of the LDS church, 296 00:14:00.200 --> 00:14:02.919 this seems to be a recurring theme. There seems to 297 00:14:02.919 --> 00:14:06.720 be way more people leaving the Mormonism than like running 298 00:14:06.759 --> 00:14:10.600 towards it. So I hear this, and then yes, you 299 00:14:10.639 --> 00:14:14.320 went to Levey in Satanism. So this isn't by definition 300 00:14:14.399 --> 00:14:17.720 worship of the dark Lord. It's more like self worship 301 00:14:18.279 --> 00:14:21.679 with some like edgy darkness from what I can remember. 302 00:14:21.360 --> 00:14:25.879 Learning about it kind of, I mean it started out 303 00:14:25.960 --> 00:14:29.559 as you know, edgy atheism. Yeah, but also I was 304 00:14:29.600 --> 00:14:34.200 attracted to the whole not necessarily like becoming my own God. 305 00:14:34.279 --> 00:14:38.000 But like the idea of like ultimate liberty. 306 00:14:38.360 --> 00:14:42.799 Sure, sure, that was just that was the whole idea 307 00:14:42.879 --> 00:14:45.799 was very attractive to me at the time. I considered 308 00:14:45.840 --> 00:14:53.039 myself an ethical egoist, you know, Okay, I actually derived 309 00:14:53.120 --> 00:14:56.080 pleasure from like making my friends and family happy and 310 00:14:56.120 --> 00:15:01.240 doing right by them. So a belief to like Satanism 311 00:15:01.480 --> 00:15:04.120 actually worked well for me. You know, I wasn't out 312 00:15:04.159 --> 00:15:06.679 there being a dirt bag. Well I mean I was, 313 00:15:06.840 --> 00:15:11.200 but not yeah, you know, not not because of the 314 00:15:11.519 --> 00:15:13.919 belief system, not like some of the other people I met. 315 00:15:14.679 --> 00:15:17.720 Is that teenage angst right, So. 316 00:15:17.799 --> 00:15:19.720 You know it worked for me, you know I was, 317 00:15:20.000 --> 00:15:22.399 but I was living the you know, sex, drugs, and 318 00:15:22.519 --> 00:15:26.440 rock and roll lifestyle, you know, totally all about it. 319 00:15:26.679 --> 00:15:31.080 But that's another movement that's eating itself alive from the 320 00:15:31.080 --> 00:15:34.720 inside out from infighting. You you just have a knack 321 00:15:34.759 --> 00:15:36.360 for finding these crews, dude. 322 00:15:36.679 --> 00:15:37.440 I do. 323 00:15:37.320 --> 00:15:37.559 I do. 324 00:15:37.759 --> 00:15:41.960 And it's interesting because I don't, like I always stick 325 00:15:42.000 --> 00:15:46.600 out because I'm always like super independent. So like with 326 00:15:46.600 --> 00:15:50.440 with the whole Satanism thing. Uh, I was approached several 327 00:15:50.480 --> 00:15:57.320 times about people want me to join like cults or organizations, 328 00:15:57.919 --> 00:16:00.519 you know, and then I never wanted to because I'm 329 00:16:00.559 --> 00:16:03.399 not a follower, Like I have a hard time following orders, 330 00:16:04.200 --> 00:16:07.360 you know, so even with myself sometimes I do. And 331 00:16:09.559 --> 00:16:13.879 that that led to, uh, you know, certain people asking 332 00:16:13.919 --> 00:16:18.840 me h about starting my own organizations, and I thought 333 00:16:18.840 --> 00:16:21.639 about it, but it was just I don't want to 334 00:16:21.720 --> 00:16:23.720 lead people, like not not in that sense. 335 00:16:23.799 --> 00:16:24.879 You know, a whole lot of work. 336 00:16:25.120 --> 00:16:27.080 But it will cree from the office, say, it's like 337 00:16:27.120 --> 00:16:29.320 I've joined a few cults back in the day. You 338 00:16:29.399 --> 00:16:31.120 have more fun as a member, but you make more 339 00:16:31.240 --> 00:16:34.639 money as a leader, right, Yeah, And it's just like, 340 00:16:34.919 --> 00:16:35.360 I don't. 341 00:16:35.159 --> 00:16:37.120 Think I'd ever want to lead a cult. It's way 342 00:16:37.159 --> 00:16:37.799 too much work. 343 00:16:37.879 --> 00:16:40.120 It's so much work, way too much work. Then you 344 00:16:40.159 --> 00:16:43.240 have to remember all these lies and all of this stuff. 345 00:16:43.440 --> 00:16:46.759 It's it's a baby people you like consistently remember their 346 00:16:46.919 --> 00:16:48.399 entire like arc story. 347 00:16:48.600 --> 00:16:50.879 Then you have to learn whole new ways of evading 348 00:16:50.919 --> 00:16:53.720 taxes because everybody be signing over all their ship to you, 349 00:16:53.799 --> 00:16:55.200 and now you have to clean that up for the 350 00:16:55.200 --> 00:16:57.559 government and make it look like it's a religious organization. 351 00:16:57.639 --> 00:17:00.559 It's so many levels. 352 00:17:00.759 --> 00:17:02.840 It's a hustle. I have no interest in. 353 00:17:03.080 --> 00:17:04.440 Yeah, heard that. 354 00:17:04.480 --> 00:17:08.880 And so you know, even in like libertarianism and stuff like, 355 00:17:08.960 --> 00:17:12.960 I stood out. You know, I was never even though 356 00:17:13.039 --> 00:17:15.960 a lot of these groups and stuff. Yeah, I just 357 00:17:16.039 --> 00:17:18.839 never truly ever fit in if that makes sense. 358 00:17:18.960 --> 00:17:22.960 Yeah, or you're talking to two outcasts here, dogs, I 359 00:17:23.000 --> 00:17:23.799 feel you. 360 00:17:23.599 --> 00:17:25.839 Right, Yeah. 361 00:17:26.200 --> 00:17:28.319 But to kind of bring it back full circle so 362 00:17:28.440 --> 00:17:33.680 that the LDS reason, the reason I left, is actually 363 00:17:34.079 --> 00:17:35.720 the most benign reason ever. 364 00:17:35.960 --> 00:17:36.680 So it was just. 365 00:17:39.799 --> 00:17:42.200 An elder in front of a bunch of people. Mind you, 366 00:17:42.319 --> 00:17:44.519 So I was thirteen. I was standing in front of 367 00:17:44.559 --> 00:17:47.720 a portrait of Jesus. I was just growing my hair 368 00:17:47.799 --> 00:17:52.400 long and shoulder length hair. And mind you, this this 369 00:17:52.640 --> 00:17:56.920 gentleman who I had had a previous experience with that 370 00:17:57.039 --> 00:18:01.119 was great, right, but at this point he looked at 371 00:18:01.119 --> 00:18:07.680 me and called me a long hair Gayesler. Right, Jesus 372 00:18:07.759 --> 00:18:08.519 had long hair? 373 00:18:08.559 --> 00:18:09.160 What the fuck? 374 00:18:09.759 --> 00:18:09.960 Right? 375 00:18:10.000 --> 00:18:12.119 And I was standing in front of the Jesus portrait 376 00:18:12.759 --> 00:18:15.319 and that's when like I turned and looked up at it, 377 00:18:16.200 --> 00:18:18.720 and I looked back at him. And then that's what 378 00:18:18.839 --> 00:18:21.880 started the snowball effect of me just like questioning things 379 00:18:21.920 --> 00:18:24.079 and I'm like, what the hell was that? Like it 380 00:18:24.319 --> 00:18:29.319 just it kicked open the door of like hypocrisy, and 381 00:18:29.799 --> 00:18:34.599 that's what led to me leaving. Sure, so yeah, leaving 382 00:18:34.640 --> 00:18:39.839 the church. Like my story is pretty benign considering some people's. 383 00:18:39.680 --> 00:18:42.519 That might actually be the most grated reason I've ever 384 00:18:42.559 --> 00:18:46.319 heard someone leave the church. I've heard fucking horror stories, dude, 385 00:18:46.400 --> 00:18:47.359 But okay. 386 00:18:47.119 --> 00:18:50.640 Exactly, okay, Well same here, Yeah, Shiven in Utah. 387 00:18:50.759 --> 00:18:52.920 We I've heard lots of them. 388 00:18:53.279 --> 00:18:53.640 Man. 389 00:18:54.480 --> 00:18:57.920 I actually don't know anybody that's converted to Mormonism. I 390 00:18:57.960 --> 00:18:59.839 know many people that have left it. I don't know 391 00:19:00.279 --> 00:19:01.799 that's just gone out of the way to convert. 392 00:19:02.240 --> 00:19:05.359 I remember those commercials from a few years back. Remember 393 00:19:05.359 --> 00:19:09.480 that shit. It's like, basically I'm paraphrasing, but just slightly. 394 00:19:09.839 --> 00:19:12.319 Is the Bible just not doing it for you anymore? 395 00:19:12.599 --> 00:19:16.920 Try the Book of Mormon? And it was like, wait what, Yeah. 396 00:19:16.720 --> 00:19:19.160 I actually don't know anybody. Well, my mom actually was 397 00:19:19.200 --> 00:19:21.319 going to be one of one of the She's the 398 00:19:21.319 --> 00:19:24.240 only person I know that that was going to convert. 399 00:19:24.640 --> 00:19:26.920 What her story is really interesting. 400 00:19:26.960 --> 00:19:29.920 So my mom, way back in the day, I don't 401 00:19:29.960 --> 00:19:32.160 even know how all this happened. So it was her 402 00:19:32.160 --> 00:19:36.599 and her and two other girlfriends and they started going 403 00:19:36.599 --> 00:19:37.480 to the Mormon church. 404 00:19:37.519 --> 00:19:41.000 They got approached, they started going there and stuff. 405 00:19:40.640 --> 00:19:43.119 And you know, they went through I don't I don't 406 00:19:43.119 --> 00:19:44.960 really remember how it all works, but I know that 407 00:19:45.039 --> 00:19:47.279 one of my girlfriends like her daughters. There's like a 408 00:19:47.279 --> 00:19:51.119 place for girls that are under certain age, like sixteen, 409 00:19:51.160 --> 00:19:53.000 and then there's a place as they get older that 410 00:19:53.000 --> 00:19:55.680 they get presented to the ones that are going to 411 00:19:55.720 --> 00:19:57.680 the men that are going on their missions and stuff. 412 00:19:58.200 --> 00:20:00.759 So my mom was of the a of I think 413 00:20:00.759 --> 00:20:04.319 they were like seventeen eighteen years old, and she started 414 00:20:04.359 --> 00:20:07.160 questioning the Bible a lot because she was raised Christian, 415 00:20:07.319 --> 00:20:10.680 and so she started questioning the Mormon the Book of Mormon, 416 00:20:10.799 --> 00:20:13.160 and was like, well, what about this here? What about 417 00:20:13.200 --> 00:20:15.519 this here? And they actually pulled her out quite a 418 00:20:15.599 --> 00:20:17.440 few times and were like, you need to really just 419 00:20:17.480 --> 00:20:20.240 like kind of learn your place and be quiet, and 420 00:20:20.920 --> 00:20:22.240 which is not my mother's vibe. 421 00:20:22.839 --> 00:20:25.920 And well, so your mom is like extremely intelligent. So 422 00:20:25.960 --> 00:20:28.559 when you say she almost converted to Mormonism, it's like, 423 00:20:28.640 --> 00:20:30.920 oh god, she kind of went retarded for a minute. 424 00:20:31.000 --> 00:20:34.359 Yeah, So my mom was a crazy smart and well 425 00:20:34.440 --> 00:20:38.000 she's she's all about asking questions, and so she noticed 426 00:20:38.039 --> 00:20:39.240 that there was a lot of things that. 427 00:20:39.160 --> 00:20:41.440 She didn't that's a problem in the mormony. 428 00:20:42.200 --> 00:20:44.839 Yeah, so she what it came down to actually was 429 00:20:45.400 --> 00:20:47.759 she you know, back then, they didn't have a lot 430 00:20:47.799 --> 00:20:50.640 of money, so she sewed all of her clothes and 431 00:20:50.680 --> 00:20:53.640 her and her girlfriends had sewed these really beautiful dresses. 432 00:20:53.640 --> 00:20:56.200 They got told to wear they're nicest dresses. So they 433 00:20:56.200 --> 00:20:59.200 made these dresses. They were covered like it was in 434 00:20:59.519 --> 00:21:00.880 regulation of whatever it was. 435 00:21:00.920 --> 00:21:02.039 It was like to hear something. 436 00:21:02.400 --> 00:21:04.279 But you know, she had a nice body and stuff, 437 00:21:04.319 --> 00:21:06.039 and so they were like, well, you're going to be 438 00:21:06.119 --> 00:21:09.440 presented to the males. And she's like, excuse me, what 439 00:21:09.480 --> 00:21:12.079 do you mean we're being presented to the males? And 440 00:21:12.200 --> 00:21:15.119 so they you know, took them out there and I 441 00:21:15.160 --> 00:21:17.799 guess she got told multiple times that her outfit was 442 00:21:17.799 --> 00:21:20.960 extremely inappropriate and all of these things in that if 443 00:21:20.960 --> 00:21:22.880 she doesn't cover up, then she's going to be asked 444 00:21:22.880 --> 00:21:24.839 to leave. And she's like, I'm sorry, what are we 445 00:21:24.880 --> 00:21:27.599 doing here? Though, like what is what is this for? 446 00:21:28.359 --> 00:21:30.079 And they were like, well, this is for you to 447 00:21:30.279 --> 00:21:32.799 this is for them to pick which one they want. 448 00:21:33.079 --> 00:21:36.480 And that was like the seal right there. She was like, 449 00:21:37.839 --> 00:21:41.079 this was on the West Coast, Okay, and yes, so 450 00:21:41.160 --> 00:21:44.039 this is this is like we're talking way way back, 451 00:21:44.799 --> 00:21:45.400 like all. 452 00:21:45.279 --> 00:21:47.359 The Mormon girls I know from the East Coast. 453 00:21:47.839 --> 00:21:50.640 Sixty seventies, I think somewhere around there. So this is 454 00:21:50.640 --> 00:21:54.240 a long time ago. But the way that they responded 455 00:21:54.240 --> 00:21:57.559 to her was not. She realized that this is just 456 00:21:57.640 --> 00:21:59.039 something that she is not going. 457 00:21:58.960 --> 00:21:59.519 To get down to. 458 00:22:00.160 --> 00:22:05.599 Fortunately, her one girlfriend that was with her found, you know, 459 00:22:05.839 --> 00:22:09.400 found a guy, and they got married right away, and 460 00:22:09.440 --> 00:22:10.559 it ended up being. 461 00:22:10.680 --> 00:22:11.519 Is it coveted? 462 00:22:11.839 --> 00:22:13.759 Yeah? Is that what it is? Coveted marriage? Yeah? 463 00:22:13.799 --> 00:22:16.759 So they so he was physically so they got married 464 00:22:16.759 --> 00:22:18.960 and all this stuff, and he was he almost killed 465 00:22:18.960 --> 00:22:21.000 her like six times, and the church knew about it. 466 00:22:21.079 --> 00:22:23.319 They covered it up over and over again. She went 467 00:22:23.359 --> 00:22:23.759 to them. 468 00:22:24.880 --> 00:22:27.200 She went to them because she was pregnant and he 469 00:22:27.240 --> 00:22:29.720 threw her down a flight of stairs and she almost 470 00:22:29.720 --> 00:22:32.880 lost the baby at yeah, at eight months. And then 471 00:22:33.119 --> 00:22:35.240 she went to them and was like, I'm done, I'm leaving. 472 00:22:35.720 --> 00:22:37.559 So they kicked her out of the church and they 473 00:22:37.599 --> 00:22:41.319 refused for over twelve years to sign on the divorce decree, 474 00:22:41.599 --> 00:22:43.519 and she had to do all this petition, like the 475 00:22:43.519 --> 00:22:45.000 petition and all of this stuff. 476 00:22:45.559 --> 00:22:47.440 And yeah, so that's one of them. 477 00:22:47.480 --> 00:22:50.000 My other one of my closest girlfriends is actually was 478 00:22:50.039 --> 00:22:52.480 a Mormon her entire life, her whole family. I actually 479 00:22:52.519 --> 00:22:55.440 went to Utah to their small little town and to 480 00:22:55.559 --> 00:22:56.880 like the whole Mormon. 481 00:22:56.519 --> 00:22:57.640 Parade and everything. 482 00:22:58.000 --> 00:23:00.240 It was wild for like us to go there because 483 00:23:00.279 --> 00:23:03.160 she's no longer in the church and it was an 484 00:23:03.160 --> 00:23:06.599 interesting So the bishop himself came to her and pretty 485 00:23:06.680 --> 00:23:11.160 much was told her, look, I don't really care what happened, 486 00:23:11.240 --> 00:23:13.400 even though we know what happened, you just need to 487 00:23:13.440 --> 00:23:16.160 like stop causing ripples, like you need to like get 488 00:23:16.160 --> 00:23:16.799 in your place. 489 00:23:16.920 --> 00:23:17.680 You need to be quiet. 490 00:23:17.759 --> 00:23:21.160 Even since his wife with gift baskets because she was 491 00:23:21.279 --> 00:23:23.799 struggling with money and all of the because after the abuse, 492 00:23:23.920 --> 00:23:27.160 she left and stuff, right, and they brought all the 493 00:23:27.200 --> 00:23:29.759 food to her, and they were like, okay, so this 494 00:23:29.920 --> 00:23:32.240 is for you to just pretty much be quiet and 495 00:23:32.319 --> 00:23:36.680 stop causing issues. You're upsetting the members baskets. So they 496 00:23:36.720 --> 00:23:40.200 were she's upsetting the members of the church because you know, 497 00:23:40.559 --> 00:23:43.200 he was a good godly man and it didn't really 498 00:23:43.200 --> 00:23:44.359 matter if they didn't like him or not. 499 00:23:44.400 --> 00:23:45.599 They were going to stand. 500 00:23:45.319 --> 00:23:46.160 By his side. 501 00:23:46.200 --> 00:23:48.880 And so she actually ended up requesting to have her 502 00:23:48.960 --> 00:23:51.079 name take taken out of the Book of I don't 503 00:23:51.119 --> 00:23:53.160 know the Book of Mormon or whatever where you get 504 00:23:53.160 --> 00:23:57.279 your name written down in the church and like it's right, yeah, records. Yes, 505 00:23:57.400 --> 00:24:00.160 So she requested that she got taken out of all 506 00:24:00.160 --> 00:24:01.680 of it and stuff like that, and it was it 507 00:24:01.720 --> 00:24:04.359 was a big deal. But the only the only experience 508 00:24:04.400 --> 00:24:07.400 I have with people that have actually had negative I've 509 00:24:07.440 --> 00:24:09.680 had pretty much anybody I know how to negative experience 510 00:24:09.720 --> 00:24:10.559 with the Mormon Church. 511 00:24:10.920 --> 00:24:11.440 I don't know. 512 00:24:11.440 --> 00:24:13.960 Really any that have been like, yay, this is a 513 00:24:13.960 --> 00:24:14.599 great time. 514 00:24:15.039 --> 00:24:16.920 I will say the Mormons on the West Coast and 515 00:24:16.960 --> 00:24:20.680 the Mormons on the East Coast are two different breeds. Really, 516 00:24:20.759 --> 00:24:23.440 I will say that every Mormon girl that I know 517 00:24:23.640 --> 00:24:28.200 in Louisiana. Okay, before I say this, listen, it's generalizing 518 00:24:28.200 --> 00:24:32.319 a lot. I know I oddly enough, I know a 519 00:24:32.319 --> 00:24:35.240 good handful of them, and every one of them be 520 00:24:35.359 --> 00:24:38.160 some sluts. That's all I'm gonna say on that. And 521 00:24:38.200 --> 00:24:40.759 not to say that they're not really sweet girls, right, 522 00:24:40.759 --> 00:24:44.119 They're They're great girls. The guys are like aggressively nice 523 00:24:44.359 --> 00:24:46.960 and like you would meet them and you regardless of 524 00:24:47.000 --> 00:24:49.119 what their religios beliefs are You're like, that's just he's 525 00:24:49.200 --> 00:24:51.160 just a great dude, like you know what I mean, 526 00:24:51.160 --> 00:24:53.519 he's a solid guy. Then you find out that there 527 00:24:53.519 --> 00:24:56.359 are Mormons and it's like, huh so the soaking thing, like, yeah, 528 00:24:56.400 --> 00:24:57.960 we don't really do that. We just fuck here. And 529 00:24:58.000 --> 00:24:59.759 it's like, yeah, yeah, that checks out. 530 00:25:00.000 --> 00:25:01.920 That's a weird thing. By the way, that's such a 531 00:25:01.960 --> 00:25:02.359 weird thing. 532 00:25:02.400 --> 00:25:04.839 Actually, that girlfriend that I was telling you about that 533 00:25:04.960 --> 00:25:06.880 left the church with the bishop and stuff, her son 534 00:25:07.079 --> 00:25:09.960 right now is in on his two year mission, and 535 00:25:10.000 --> 00:25:12.799 we begged him not to leave. He is one of 536 00:25:12.839 --> 00:25:15.599 the greatest children I have ever met in my life. 537 00:25:16.079 --> 00:25:20.160 And unfortunately he's already starting to drink the kool aid massively, 538 00:25:21.039 --> 00:25:24.119 and it's it's really bummer. It's a bummer to see 539 00:25:24.160 --> 00:25:30.480 because like he's such an intelligent, kind human being that like, yeah, 540 00:25:30.519 --> 00:25:32.599 well he can't talk to nobody. They can talk once 541 00:25:32.640 --> 00:25:35.079 a week, he can call back, and it's a whole thing. 542 00:25:35.119 --> 00:25:36.960 They won't be able to see for two years. And 543 00:25:37.559 --> 00:25:39.720 he was being able to like they were sending their 544 00:25:39.799 --> 00:25:41.960 kind of code naming the political stuff that was going on, 545 00:25:41.960 --> 00:25:45.279 because he's really all about politics and conspiracies and stuff 546 00:25:45.319 --> 00:25:47.920 like that. And now he's been pretty much it's been 547 00:25:48.000 --> 00:25:49.880 almost a year and he's like, never mind, I don't 548 00:25:49.920 --> 00:25:52.519 really need to know about that, and it's it's just 549 00:25:52.640 --> 00:25:53.240 it's a bummer. 550 00:25:53.400 --> 00:25:55.279 But I mean everybody has their own way. 551 00:25:55.319 --> 00:25:57.640 I mean, if that religion works for you and that's 552 00:25:57.640 --> 00:26:00.279 what you believe in and it's and it's not about see, 553 00:26:00.359 --> 00:26:01.400 then it's. 554 00:26:01.279 --> 00:26:03.960 All the fuck the Mormon Church. I'm good with that. 555 00:26:04.400 --> 00:26:06.440 I'm pretty good dying on that hill. 556 00:26:07.000 --> 00:26:11.759 Yeah, untains a pretty complicated opinion as far as the 557 00:26:11.839 --> 00:26:17.720 church goes. My gripe is really with the organization, the leadership. 558 00:26:18.319 --> 00:26:22.799 That's that's where my gripe is. Sure, Like, just because 559 00:26:22.839 --> 00:26:25.759 I know so many, so I I really categorize it 560 00:26:25.799 --> 00:26:27.759 as there's two different kinds of Mormons. 561 00:26:28.119 --> 00:26:31.039 You have Mormons and then you have LDS. 562 00:26:31.519 --> 00:26:34.079 Okay, h A. 563 00:26:34.079 --> 00:26:38.279 Mormon is like every stereotype or every stereotype you've ever 564 00:26:38.319 --> 00:26:42.920 heard of. Right, Also, Molly Mormon works too in this category. 565 00:26:43.000 --> 00:26:45.079 But the south Park episode. 566 00:26:45.200 --> 00:26:49.119 Right, exactly. Yeah, But then you have the LDS people. 567 00:26:50.640 --> 00:26:54.319 Odds are you probably won't know that they're LDS or 568 00:26:54.359 --> 00:26:57.720 that they're Mormon unless you ask them, right, or if 569 00:26:57.759 --> 00:27:00.359 you went to their house and saw you know, DS 570 00:27:00.519 --> 00:27:05.240 paraphernalia or whatever. But they're just the nicest people. Typically. 571 00:27:05.240 --> 00:27:08.720 It's their faith and it's what they believe. 572 00:27:08.799 --> 00:27:12.559 But and the reason I kind of have this like 573 00:27:13.359 --> 00:27:17.039 dualistic view is because obviously some of my family is 574 00:27:17.079 --> 00:27:21.079 still LDS, right, And once again, you would never even 575 00:27:21.160 --> 00:27:25.599 know unless you ask them. And so I see the 576 00:27:25.680 --> 00:27:29.200 two sides of this, right, But there's also, you know, 577 00:27:29.359 --> 00:27:35.000 been some people in my family that I would consider Mormons, right, like, oh, 578 00:27:35.240 --> 00:27:38.119 those are Mormons, right, And then there's the other people. 579 00:27:38.160 --> 00:27:39.359 It's like, oh, those guys. 580 00:27:39.200 --> 00:27:40.240 Are LDS right. 581 00:27:40.599 --> 00:27:44.160 Yeah, So I kind of have a complicated view of it. However, 582 00:27:44.240 --> 00:27:48.319 I agree with you as far as like the church leadership, Yeah, 583 00:27:48.359 --> 00:27:49.119 they can go to hell. 584 00:27:49.240 --> 00:27:50.279 They cover up abuse. 585 00:27:51.799 --> 00:27:53.000 Oh yeah. When I said that, By the way, I 586 00:27:53.039 --> 00:27:56.079 don't mean just the regular congregates. I'm sure they're good people, 587 00:27:56.200 --> 00:27:58.559 you know. I'm talking about the ones at the top 588 00:27:58.559 --> 00:28:01.160 that are basically doing the abuse and then the people 589 00:28:01.160 --> 00:28:03.559 that take it to the end degree church, right, But 590 00:28:04.000 --> 00:28:06.640 like you said, there's also members of the congregation that 591 00:28:07.319 --> 00:28:09.960 well this and this goes for all religions, including my 592 00:28:10.000 --> 00:28:11.200 own brand of Christianity. 593 00:28:11.279 --> 00:28:13.799 Isn't say I was like Christians are just as. 594 00:28:13.680 --> 00:28:16.200 Bad, not all, but there are those that will go 595 00:28:16.480 --> 00:28:18.640 up on their holy high horse and look down on 596 00:28:18.720 --> 00:28:21.960 those others in their own church because they're not as 597 00:28:22.039 --> 00:28:23.880 holy as they are, and it's like, well, the fuck 598 00:28:23.920 --> 00:28:24.480 you too, dude. 599 00:28:24.519 --> 00:28:28.279 I mean, it really does span all religions, honestly, but 600 00:28:28.680 --> 00:28:32.039 it does seem though that like the Catholic Church, well, 601 00:28:32.079 --> 00:28:35.799 I feel like, honestly, mormonso are more tight en it 602 00:28:35.880 --> 00:28:38.119 when it comes to you, at least higher ups that 603 00:28:38.480 --> 00:28:41.519 keeping I wouldn't say the Catholic priests, but like keeping 604 00:28:41.559 --> 00:28:43.279 this stuff in like the bishops and stuff like that, 605 00:28:43.319 --> 00:28:45.559 because might it had more time to get it right. 606 00:28:45.599 --> 00:28:48.720 Though my experience with that was second party the yea. 607 00:28:49.480 --> 00:28:51.559 Yeah, No, it's the structure of the church. 608 00:28:51.599 --> 00:28:58.640 And really how over the twentieth century the changes that 609 00:28:58.680 --> 00:29:02.920 were made from the night early nineteen hundreds to the 610 00:29:02.960 --> 00:29:06.200 early two thousands, like that whole stretch of time they 611 00:29:06.240 --> 00:29:11.039 were able to lock in a particular structure that I 612 00:29:11.359 --> 00:29:13.880 don't think it was like we are going to build 613 00:29:13.880 --> 00:29:16.680 a structure to protect pedophiles, right, I don't think it 614 00:29:16.720 --> 00:29:20.119 was consciously that partially. 615 00:29:19.799 --> 00:29:23.000 It was, right, Casey right. 616 00:29:23.519 --> 00:29:26.279 But I think that's definitely what it turned into, because 617 00:29:27.640 --> 00:29:29.920 here was how it was always explained to me, is like, 618 00:29:30.200 --> 00:29:33.119 if you're Satan, your number one target is going to 619 00:29:33.160 --> 00:29:36.880 be the church, right, any church, it doesn't matter. You're 620 00:29:36.920 --> 00:29:40.119 going to try and destroy anything that is good. And 621 00:29:40.200 --> 00:29:42.880 it appears as though that that's what has happened, is 622 00:29:42.920 --> 00:29:47.359 that evil men and evil women have gone ahead and 623 00:29:47.720 --> 00:29:52.119 polluted anything that could possibly be good on this earth, agreed, 624 00:29:53.279 --> 00:29:56.920 and so certain people rise to the top because only 625 00:29:57.039 --> 00:30:02.400 terrible people, in my mind, like positions of power, whether 626 00:30:02.440 --> 00:30:08.400 it's political, spiritual, it's it doesn't matter, just like any 627 00:30:08.599 --> 00:30:12.240 people that just like seek those positions. It's it's like 628 00:30:12.279 --> 00:30:15.359 you always want the politician that doesn't want to be 629 00:30:15.440 --> 00:30:17.640 in that position, that doesn't want to do it that 630 00:30:17.880 --> 00:30:20.599 like after they leave that like they're done, you know, 631 00:30:22.000 --> 00:30:24.039 And we don't have those. We also don't have church 632 00:30:24.119 --> 00:30:28.599 leaders that don't want it, right, So that's kind of 633 00:30:28.640 --> 00:30:32.640 how I view it, is that evil is going to 634 00:30:32.680 --> 00:30:37.119 corrupt the the most likely to bring good into this world, 635 00:30:37.519 --> 00:30:40.400 and that's exactly what's happened. So I don't think it's 636 00:30:40.440 --> 00:30:46.279 necessarily a a comment on maybe some of the belief systems, 637 00:30:47.480 --> 00:30:53.880 some not all, because some of their belief systems are wild, wild, right, 638 00:30:53.920 --> 00:30:56.880 And it's it's very like with the Mormon Church, it's 639 00:30:57.000 --> 00:30:58.440 very Masonic, you know. 640 00:30:58.599 --> 00:31:01.000 Well there's a lot of reasons for that though, for. 641 00:31:00.839 --> 00:31:04.640 Sure, right exactly, And so I think so some of 642 00:31:04.680 --> 00:31:08.640 these belief systems are obviously not cool, but it's resulted 643 00:31:08.680 --> 00:31:10.400 in a lot of good for a lot of good, 644 00:31:10.839 --> 00:31:13.039 you know, for a lot of good people. So it's like, 645 00:31:14.400 --> 00:31:16.599 I don't know, but I definitely have an issue with 646 00:31:16.680 --> 00:31:20.160 the higher up structure because I don't see anything good 647 00:31:20.240 --> 00:31:20.839 coming out of that. 648 00:31:21.279 --> 00:31:23.640 I just don't. That's all the congregants that I see 649 00:31:23.640 --> 00:31:24.480 the good coming. 650 00:31:24.240 --> 00:31:27.359 Out of, for sure. And then so that being the case, 651 00:31:27.640 --> 00:31:31.160 you growing up in Are you in Salt Lake? I'm 652 00:31:31.200 --> 00:31:33.279 north of Salt Lake, Okay, So, but my point is 653 00:31:33.279 --> 00:31:37.240 you're surrounded by basically your entire community is a Mormon 654 00:31:37.319 --> 00:31:39.559 slash LDS community, correct. 655 00:31:39.319 --> 00:31:39.599 Sort of? 656 00:31:40.160 --> 00:31:43.240 Yeah, I mean, so one of the misconceptions about Utah, 657 00:31:43.640 --> 00:31:47.319 it's actually, at any one point in time, there are 658 00:31:47.440 --> 00:31:50.480 more Mormons here than anywhere else in the world. But 659 00:31:50.519 --> 00:31:53.680 it's because of the head of the churches here, right. 660 00:31:53.720 --> 00:31:55.640 It's like the Mormon Vaticanate. 661 00:31:56.119 --> 00:31:56.359 Yeah. 662 00:31:56.400 --> 00:32:01.559 Yeah, but as far as the population goes, there's actually 663 00:32:01.640 --> 00:32:06.720 more non Mormons that live here than actual Mormons. And 664 00:32:06.880 --> 00:32:14.519 I think a lot of that's transplants or transplants from Colorado, California, Oregon, Washington. 665 00:32:14.920 --> 00:32:18.680 We're having like a lot of tech companies move here. Also, 666 00:32:18.799 --> 00:32:22.640 we just announced that we're having the Winter Olympics again. Yeah, 667 00:32:22.680 --> 00:32:26.079 and so there we have tons of defense contractors that 668 00:32:26.279 --> 00:32:29.759 the number one and number two employers of Utah. Number 669 00:32:29.799 --> 00:32:33.640 one is the I r S and number two is 670 00:32:34.119 --> 00:32:38.920 Hillfield Air Force Base. So defense contractors and the I 671 00:32:39.079 --> 00:32:41.240 r S number one and number two. So it's like, 672 00:32:42.200 --> 00:32:42.640 you know, I. 673 00:32:42.759 --> 00:32:43.839 Love the Winter Olympics. 674 00:32:43.880 --> 00:32:48.119 Side note, as soon as you brought up the yes 675 00:32:48.240 --> 00:32:51.279 I love the Winter Olympics, I do as well. 676 00:32:51.759 --> 00:32:54.680 The bad part is is the defense contractors come out 677 00:32:54.720 --> 00:32:59.319 in full force, and unfortunately the un is all tied 678 00:32:59.319 --> 00:33:03.599 in with thes and so there's the surveillance state is 679 00:33:03.640 --> 00:33:08.960 being built here. So Utah is actually on track right now. Uh, 680 00:33:09.200 --> 00:33:13.160 let's see. I believe it's twenty thirty two is when 681 00:33:13.200 --> 00:33:17.279 the Winter Olympics is going to be here. And when 682 00:33:17.400 --> 00:33:20.920 the Winter Olympics happen, we will be we as in 683 00:33:21.000 --> 00:33:24.759 the state of Utah will unveil what a smart city. 684 00:33:25.039 --> 00:33:27.039 And I was just going to ask you are you 685 00:33:27.119 --> 00:33:30.079 on track for the fifteen minute city, because la is 686 00:33:30.119 --> 00:33:35.599 on track tea because of the Oh no, no, All 687 00:33:35.720 --> 00:33:38.559 that means my Bingo card is going to get filled, damn. 688 00:33:39.240 --> 00:33:40.880 So we do a Bingo car with all of our 689 00:33:40.880 --> 00:33:43.440 cult members. We do it in January and try to 690 00:33:43.599 --> 00:33:45.319 see if we're going to fill it by the end 691 00:33:45.319 --> 00:33:47.519 of the year. We didn't fill it. Last year. We 692 00:33:47.559 --> 00:33:49.640 did not make a Bingo We we kind of went a. 693 00:33:49.559 --> 00:33:51.799 Little We don't say we went, we went one. 694 00:33:51.920 --> 00:33:53.920 But my BEINGO one of my Beingo cars is that 695 00:33:53.960 --> 00:33:55.839 we're going to have a fifteen minute city built here 696 00:33:55.880 --> 00:33:57.279 in America. 697 00:33:58.880 --> 00:34:00.720 That's already had ours. 698 00:34:00.519 --> 00:34:04.799 It's it's already planned and in fact, the World Economic 699 00:34:04.880 --> 00:34:09.440 Forum came out and praised the design of it and 700 00:34:09.679 --> 00:34:12.960 terrible all things already planned and you know it's already 701 00:34:13.000 --> 00:34:15.719 being sold. Is like, you won't have to leave the 702 00:34:15.760 --> 00:34:16.960 city if you don't want to. 703 00:34:17.239 --> 00:34:19.320 How what are your thoughts on fifteen minute cities? Because 704 00:34:19.360 --> 00:34:21.599 I have, of my I have serious thoughts on these things. 705 00:34:22.440 --> 00:34:22.559 Uh. 706 00:34:22.719 --> 00:34:26.719 First of all, their concentration camps yep, yep, they're they're 707 00:34:26.760 --> 00:34:31.559 digital concentration camps, and that is I think the one 708 00:34:31.639 --> 00:34:33.719 of the ultimate goals for all of us is to 709 00:34:33.760 --> 00:34:37.000 be put into these cities where we can't travel without permission. 710 00:34:38.320 --> 00:34:41.559 I agree, one hundred percent agree it's it's it's concentration 711 00:34:41.639 --> 00:34:44.599 camps that are sold under the guise of convenience and 712 00:34:45.280 --> 00:34:48.679 safety and all these all these things. But in reality, no, 713 00:34:48.760 --> 00:34:49.880 it's it's one hundred percent in. 714 00:34:49.880 --> 00:34:53.599 Prison, right, and and that's that's the whole goal is 715 00:34:53.639 --> 00:34:57.360 because they don't like earlier or I guess it was 716 00:34:58.000 --> 00:35:02.559 mid year last year, so twenty tw five, Canada actually 717 00:35:02.599 --> 00:35:04.920 made it illegal for people to go out and go hike. 718 00:35:09.440 --> 00:35:09.639 Yeah. 719 00:35:10.000 --> 00:35:14.880 Really it was under the guise of wildfires. Right, people 720 00:35:14.920 --> 00:35:18.039 can't go out hiking, They can't go fishing or hunting 721 00:35:18.119 --> 00:35:18.639 or anything. 722 00:35:19.119 --> 00:35:23.400 Right, Columbia Canada is just they're falling. 723 00:35:23.760 --> 00:35:26.599 Maybe maybe my girlfriends missed the memo because like they 724 00:35:26.599 --> 00:35:29.800 get they went hiking and camping and everything like a 725 00:35:29.840 --> 00:35:30.400 whole bunch. 726 00:35:30.719 --> 00:35:33.519 Is it just like you said, British Columbia that one province? 727 00:35:33.559 --> 00:35:35.360 Is it just that one province? Okay? 728 00:35:35.440 --> 00:35:39.719 Because I was like, problem, that's like Canada's one resource 729 00:35:39.760 --> 00:35:41.360 that they actually had. That's like you should come to 730 00:35:41.400 --> 00:35:44.199 Canada for the dot dot it's probably for either the 731 00:35:44.280 --> 00:35:48.840 hockey or for the outdoors, and like, man, okay. 732 00:35:48.480 --> 00:35:50.280 I mean it's smart though, because you don't want to 733 00:35:50.360 --> 00:35:54.159 implement the entire country. You want to do it one 734 00:35:54.239 --> 00:35:56.360 step at a time, just like how it's going to 735 00:35:56.440 --> 00:35:58.880 be one little baby step, one city. 736 00:35:59.360 --> 00:36:01.039 Oh look at all the awesome things. 737 00:36:01.119 --> 00:36:03.119 I guarantee they're going to have at least four or 738 00:36:03.159 --> 00:36:06.239 five that they're going to push on America that they're 739 00:36:06.239 --> 00:36:07.800 going to be like, look how great it is. 740 00:36:07.880 --> 00:36:08.920 Look how great it is. 741 00:36:09.360 --> 00:36:11.599 And slowly but surely, all of a sudden, once it 742 00:36:11.719 --> 00:36:14.599 gains traction they have enough people being like well okay, 743 00:36:14.639 --> 00:36:17.480 I'll do this, then they'll start pushing them forward, almost 744 00:36:17.559 --> 00:36:19.719 into every city. I just don't see how they're going 745 00:36:19.760 --> 00:36:23.159 to accomplish it in the rural areas, Like how are 746 00:36:23.199 --> 00:36:26.800 they going to trap in everyone in every every. 747 00:36:26.519 --> 00:36:29.039 State Because we're a massive nation, so. 748 00:36:29.840 --> 00:36:30.880 Oh yeah, we're huge. 749 00:36:31.199 --> 00:36:33.119 It makes sense into the cities themselves. 750 00:36:33.119 --> 00:36:36.079 But then then what happens if they flee though, if 751 00:36:36.639 --> 00:36:39.000 people really wake up and like, holy shit, we're trapped 752 00:36:39.000 --> 00:36:41.920 into these locations, then what I. 753 00:36:41.880 --> 00:36:45.800 Mean, the ones that can escape will partially what's going 754 00:36:45.880 --> 00:36:50.360 to stop us from leaving is direct to the energy weapons, theeriod. Like, 755 00:36:50.400 --> 00:36:52.519 that's straight up what's going to stop us. 756 00:36:53.039 --> 00:36:58.559 Yeah, oh no, Serbia, Serbia. But did y'all also hear 757 00:36:58.599 --> 00:37:01.000 that they use those in the capture of Maduro? 758 00:37:01.639 --> 00:37:06.480 No, so three of the guards twenty people? Yeah, twenty 759 00:37:06.519 --> 00:37:08.079 people killed, like one hundred people. 760 00:37:08.519 --> 00:37:11.199 Well, okay, so from the first reports I heard, only 761 00:37:11.239 --> 00:37:14.039 thirty two guards were killed, but all of them were Cuban, 762 00:37:14.360 --> 00:37:16.639 which is weird that he was surrounded by Cubans, but whatever, 763 00:37:17.119 --> 00:37:19.320 three of the dudes, at least as of this moment 764 00:37:19.440 --> 00:37:21.280 I just heard about this. I haven't done much digging 765 00:37:21.360 --> 00:37:22.960 into it because we've been doing another shit all day. 766 00:37:23.119 --> 00:37:26.480 Thirty three guards, thirty two thirty two guards, but still 767 00:37:27.079 --> 00:37:30.360 an important number if we're looking masonically with you. But 768 00:37:31.320 --> 00:37:35.800 apparently three of these guards said that they felt dizzy, disoriented, 769 00:37:35.880 --> 00:37:38.760 their heart was racing, and they passed out. And so 770 00:37:39.079 --> 00:37:42.920 now Venezuela is claiming that they were using directed energy 771 00:37:42.960 --> 00:37:44.960 weapons against them, and it's like, okay, so hold on, 772 00:37:45.440 --> 00:37:48.119 you're mad that your boys are still alive. You would 773 00:37:48.119 --> 00:37:49.840 have been less mad. If they got a three hundred 774 00:37:49.840 --> 00:37:52.960 blackout to the dome. And somehow this makes us more 775 00:37:53.079 --> 00:37:56.840 tyrannical because we're letting your people live. There's no polishing you. 776 00:37:57.440 --> 00:37:59.440 I really feel like it's going to come down to 777 00:37:59.679 --> 00:38:02.679 all war between us and them kind of a thing. 778 00:38:02.800 --> 00:38:03.639 This is Venezuela. 779 00:38:03.840 --> 00:38:06.159 No no, no, no, I'm not Venezuela. I'm talking about here, 780 00:38:06.159 --> 00:38:08.920 and I'm talking about here in America. Eventually, I'm talking 781 00:38:08.920 --> 00:38:12.000 about the fifteen minute cities, the energy weapons, that kind 782 00:38:12.039 --> 00:38:12.440 of stuff. 783 00:38:12.480 --> 00:38:14.559 But I'm not talking it's going to be like tomorrow. 784 00:38:15.199 --> 00:38:15.880 I think we are. 785 00:38:16.159 --> 00:38:19.119 I think we are losing the battle already and we 786 00:38:19.159 --> 00:38:22.159 aren't aware of it. I think TikTok and social media 787 00:38:22.159 --> 00:38:25.000 and all of this stuff is the beginning of our end. 788 00:38:25.079 --> 00:38:28.280 When it comes to the conveniency is even more at 789 00:38:28.280 --> 00:38:31.239 our fingertips. I mean, hell, you can even buy stuff 790 00:38:31.280 --> 00:38:34.519 on Amazon Prime while you watch it on TV. You 791 00:38:34.519 --> 00:38:37.079 can buy your stuff when it shows you ads. Now 792 00:38:37.320 --> 00:38:39.199 it'll be like, hey, do you need laundry soap? 793 00:38:39.239 --> 00:38:39.400 Here? 794 00:38:39.480 --> 00:38:41.559 Scan this code And all you do is scan it, 795 00:38:41.800 --> 00:38:44.639 click it and you bought it and it's that quick. 796 00:38:44.679 --> 00:38:47.639 And if you're in a fifteen minute city, you're walking everywhere, 797 00:38:47.679 --> 00:38:50.159 you have public transportation. You no longer need a vehicle. 798 00:38:50.599 --> 00:38:52.599 You why do you need all these things? Oh yeah, 799 00:38:52.599 --> 00:38:55.199 there's drones everywhere, they have cameras. You're using the hand 800 00:38:55.239 --> 00:38:57.920 palm thing like they have it Whole Foods. So you 801 00:38:57.960 --> 00:39:00.880 don't need a cardnymore. You don't need any cash anymore. 802 00:39:01.199 --> 00:39:03.199 You have everything, And soon they'll put the chips in 803 00:39:03.280 --> 00:39:05.480 us so that way they can track you for your safety, 804 00:39:05.519 --> 00:39:08.760 of course, and for your conveniency. So that way you 805 00:39:08.800 --> 00:39:11.840 have all of your information, including your banking information, in 806 00:39:11.880 --> 00:39:12.840 your arm itself. 807 00:39:13.519 --> 00:39:16.239 So to answer your earlier question, that the way that 808 00:39:16.280 --> 00:39:18.000 it's going to be sold to us is the new 809 00:39:18.079 --> 00:39:21.480 cool thing, right, That's how all of this is sold 810 00:39:21.519 --> 00:39:22.519 to us, is. 811 00:39:22.440 --> 00:39:23.400 The new cool thing. 812 00:39:23.800 --> 00:39:27.039 That's like you mentioned the videos from like waving your 813 00:39:27.119 --> 00:39:28.519 hand to pay for your stuff. 814 00:39:28.280 --> 00:39:30.440 At Whole Foods. It's the new cool thing. 815 00:39:30.599 --> 00:39:33.199 Like, oh, you get to pay for your food with 816 00:39:33.400 --> 00:39:34.440 waving your hand. 817 00:39:34.519 --> 00:39:35.280 It's magic. 818 00:39:35.719 --> 00:39:37.760 Yeah, It like tracks your palm and you put your 819 00:39:37.760 --> 00:39:40.360 palm on it and it knows your entire palm. 820 00:39:40.760 --> 00:39:42.519 It's really weird. It's been and that was three years 821 00:39:42.559 --> 00:39:45.159 ago that they put it in, right, and. 822 00:39:46.440 --> 00:39:47.800 That's how it's going to be sold to us. 823 00:39:47.880 --> 00:39:49.280 So that what they're going to do is they're going 824 00:39:49.320 --> 00:39:53.000 to start paying influencers to test it out, right, and 825 00:39:53.039 --> 00:39:54.760 then that's how they're going to start pushing it. And 826 00:39:54.840 --> 00:39:57.960 this is the mind control, right, this is the social engineering. 827 00:39:58.320 --> 00:40:01.320 And this is why I focus on this because this 828 00:40:01.440 --> 00:40:05.440 is because I agree with you. We are losing the battles, 829 00:40:05.480 --> 00:40:08.239 and we're losing them left and right because most people 830 00:40:08.239 --> 00:40:11.360 don't even realize they're happening, right, right, Because I mean 831 00:40:11.360 --> 00:40:15.320 most people think, like, oh, it would be really convenient 832 00:40:15.400 --> 00:40:19.280 to have everything I need within fifteen minutes of walking, 833 00:40:19.599 --> 00:40:22.880 you know, and it probably would, right, Like I'm not 834 00:40:22.920 --> 00:40:25.760 going to argue that, like it probably would be very convenient. 835 00:40:26.000 --> 00:40:29.679 Shit, most Americans ain't walking, no fifteen minutes, what They'll 836 00:40:29.679 --> 00:40:31.880 get a fucking greenees scooter or whatever it's called. 837 00:40:32.039 --> 00:40:34.679 Yeah, all right, exactly. 838 00:40:36.280 --> 00:40:40.079 And so if you don't even realize that it's happening, 839 00:40:40.119 --> 00:40:42.880 then how could you ever fight back against it? And 840 00:40:42.920 --> 00:40:45.920 plus when everything is sold to you as ooh look 841 00:40:45.920 --> 00:40:48.920 how cool, this is brand new, and it's like not 842 00:40:49.000 --> 00:40:52.440 everything new is good, right, Like it's not, it's just 843 00:40:52.599 --> 00:40:53.400 not you know. 844 00:40:53.800 --> 00:40:55.920 I don't think the tradition. 845 00:40:56.719 --> 00:40:58.440 I think these cities are for our children. 846 00:40:58.719 --> 00:41:00.960 I think this is where they're to be aiming at 847 00:41:01.000 --> 00:41:04.400 the most is the kids. So that way, because we 848 00:41:04.840 --> 00:41:07.360 at least understand what the world was like before all this, 849 00:41:07.920 --> 00:41:11.119 they do not, and so for them it's going to be. 850 00:41:11.760 --> 00:41:13.880 That's just the way it is. Like how convenient it is, 851 00:41:13.920 --> 00:41:15.639 Like in my cell phones is so easy. I can 852 00:41:15.679 --> 00:41:18.559 find all this information. I don't even have to text anymore. 853 00:41:18.880 --> 00:41:19.400 I can just. 854 00:41:19.400 --> 00:41:20.880 Tell Siri what I want to do. 855 00:41:21.239 --> 00:41:24.000 I mean, they use AI all day long at school 856 00:41:24.000 --> 00:41:27.039 as well, So this is I don't think this is 857 00:41:27.159 --> 00:41:29.400 for us really. I think they might market to us 858 00:41:29.480 --> 00:41:31.800 kind of because like we quote unquote have the money. 859 00:41:32.159 --> 00:41:34.199 But I think this is for the younger generations below 860 00:41:34.280 --> 00:41:37.039 us that they're going to go for, and you know 861 00:41:37.119 --> 00:41:39.280 that's who they're going to be. Their primary targets is 862 00:41:39.280 --> 00:41:40.800 probably the twenty year olds right now. 863 00:41:41.519 --> 00:41:44.400 Oh yeah, oh yeah, one hundred percent, because they don't 864 00:41:44.440 --> 00:41:49.480 know a world without social media. Okay, I remember the nineties, right, 865 00:41:50.039 --> 00:41:53.039 I remember the nineteen nineties, and god do I miss 866 00:41:53.039 --> 00:41:55.440 something me every day? 867 00:41:55.519 --> 00:41:56.360 Have you watched those. 868 00:41:56.239 --> 00:41:59.440 Clips where they do like the nineteen nineties reels of 869 00:41:59.480 --> 00:42:01.199 all this stuff, and it's like super nasty. 870 00:42:01.719 --> 00:42:03.519 It makes me I'm not gonna lie. 871 00:42:03.519 --> 00:42:05.239 I'm not a big crier, but I almost cry every 872 00:42:05.239 --> 00:42:06.880 time I watch one because I'm like, damn, I just 873 00:42:06.920 --> 00:42:08.800 want to go back to that time so bad. 874 00:42:08.880 --> 00:42:11.000 I know, I know, And you know, I was talking 875 00:42:11.000 --> 00:42:14.239 to my wife, you know, we're looking at starting a 876 00:42:14.239 --> 00:42:18.079 family this year and everything, and her and I were 877 00:42:18.119 --> 00:42:20.519 talking about it and we said, we're we're doing a 878 00:42:20.599 --> 00:42:24.320 nineties nineties babies, you know, We're raising them on like 879 00:42:24.920 --> 00:42:28.320 nineties television shows. We're not doing this Coco melon stuff. 880 00:42:28.400 --> 00:42:30.480 Now. Coca melons horrible. 881 00:42:30.480 --> 00:42:34.880 Right, exactly, it's Coco melon is I actually have an 882 00:42:34.960 --> 00:42:38.039 article I'm getting ready to release about Coca melon and 883 00:42:38.400 --> 00:42:41.880 television itself. But it is weaponized. Coco melon is one 884 00:42:41.920 --> 00:42:45.840 hundred percent weaponized. Yeah, that the frame rates, the colors, 885 00:42:45.920 --> 00:42:48.559 all of it is meant to change behavior. 886 00:42:48.880 --> 00:42:49.079 Yep. 887 00:42:49.760 --> 00:42:53.079 And it does. It does. It's very easy to observe. 888 00:42:55.239 --> 00:42:59.880 But the whole nineties thing, like, yes, there was I 889 00:43:00.159 --> 00:43:05.519 think like a level of brainwashing and programming that was 890 00:43:05.559 --> 00:43:09.519 happening during that time, but it was entirely different, and 891 00:43:09.519 --> 00:43:13.280 I think it was for a different reason, and that's 892 00:43:13.880 --> 00:43:17.199 that's kind of why things just seem so different, because 893 00:43:17.199 --> 00:43:20.480 it was literally everything after nine to eleven. Right, nine 894 00:43:20.480 --> 00:43:22.800 to eleven was the start of the world that we're 895 00:43:22.800 --> 00:43:23.519 living in now. 896 00:43:23.880 --> 00:43:24.360 Yeah, it was. 897 00:43:24.559 --> 00:43:27.760 It was the death of the nineties, and it was 898 00:43:27.800 --> 00:43:32.960 the beginning of this technocracy hellscape that we're now living in. 899 00:43:33.320 --> 00:43:36.639 You know, but you are one hundred percent right that 900 00:43:37.920 --> 00:43:41.440 they are marketing it to us in a sense to 901 00:43:41.440 --> 00:43:43.719 be able to push it onto our kids. 902 00:43:44.559 --> 00:43:45.239 Which is crazy. 903 00:43:45.360 --> 00:43:46.000 That's the goal. 904 00:43:46.360 --> 00:43:49.159 They don't want us to teach our children to pick 905 00:43:49.239 --> 00:43:52.880 up crafts, for instance, Like you know, you don't you 906 00:43:52.920 --> 00:43:56.639 don't want yeah, right, right exactly, Like you wait a minute, 907 00:43:56.679 --> 00:43:59.880 your kid is pitdling around in the garage. No, you 908 00:44:00.159 --> 00:44:03.039 need to teach them how to stream. That's what their 909 00:44:03.079 --> 00:44:05.000 future needs to be. It's like, no, no, I'd rather 910 00:44:05.039 --> 00:44:07.639 teach my child how to weld and build build cool shit, 911 00:44:08.159 --> 00:44:10.320 you know what I mean. I'd rather my son break 912 00:44:10.400 --> 00:44:13.559 his arm from a homemade ramp that he's ramping his 913 00:44:13.559 --> 00:44:17.760 bike off of, rather than he's got anxiety and social 914 00:44:17.760 --> 00:44:20.119 disorders because he's been glued to a screen since he 915 00:44:20.159 --> 00:44:21.480 was six years old and he's trying to be a 916 00:44:21.519 --> 00:44:23.880 professional streamer by twelve. Like, no, get the fuck out 917 00:44:23.880 --> 00:44:24.119 of here. 918 00:44:24.880 --> 00:44:26.719 Your kid doesn't have an iPad. 919 00:44:27.159 --> 00:44:31.079 Oh, such terrible parents, you know, it's like, get out 920 00:44:31.079 --> 00:44:34.199 of here with that. And your kid's nine and doesn't 921 00:44:34.280 --> 00:44:35.239 have a cell phone. 922 00:44:35.360 --> 00:44:36.320 What's wrong with you? 923 00:44:36.480 --> 00:44:38.639 Wait? Wait a minute, you're telling me that you don't 924 00:44:38.679 --> 00:44:42.280 allow your eight year old on TikTok. No fucker, why 925 00:44:42.360 --> 00:44:43.960 would I do that. 926 00:44:44.599 --> 00:44:47.480 My oldest is like the only one in his grade 927 00:44:47.639 --> 00:44:49.039 that it doesn't have a TikTok. 928 00:44:49.840 --> 00:44:52.480 My son on one grade up does not have a TikTok. 929 00:44:52.719 --> 00:44:57.360 Their friends follow my TikTok, which is and I he 930 00:44:57.440 --> 00:45:00.400 was really confused by I went to him, and why 931 00:45:00.440 --> 00:45:02.880 are all these children following my TikTok? 932 00:45:03.039 --> 00:45:04.400 Well, they wanted to see who you are. 933 00:45:04.440 --> 00:45:05.840 I mean they know who because I was, you know, 934 00:45:05.880 --> 00:45:09.239 did pto stuff for a lot of years. But why 935 00:45:09.280 --> 00:45:12.159 are you following my My TikTok is not for children. 936 00:45:12.239 --> 00:45:14.599 I mean, I'm not posting anything inappropriate, but why. 937 00:45:14.440 --> 00:45:15.320 Are you new? 938 00:45:16.039 --> 00:45:18.039 But then, but then I went to their tiktoks and 939 00:45:18.079 --> 00:45:19.679 I went and looked at them, and I'm like, I 940 00:45:19.679 --> 00:45:22.079 wish I had their parents' information. I would be telling 941 00:45:22.119 --> 00:45:25.119 their parents. Have you checked your kid's phones? Do you 942 00:45:25.239 --> 00:45:27.920 understand what's going on? I read my kid's phone all 943 00:45:27.920 --> 00:45:30.199 the time, and I just and he barely even gets 944 00:45:30.239 --> 00:45:32.719 his phone because damn near he loses it for weeks 945 00:45:32.719 --> 00:45:34.440 on end every other week. 946 00:45:34.679 --> 00:45:37.719 Almost the worst those parents are checking their kids phones. 947 00:45:37.719 --> 00:45:40.159 They're okay with that behavior. That's the worst, fucking boy. 948 00:45:40.559 --> 00:45:43.599 Yeah, a lot of them are doing the joint you know, 949 00:45:43.760 --> 00:45:45.840 dances and all this stuff, which like, okay, I can 950 00:45:45.920 --> 00:45:48.800 I understand having fun on one sense, but on the 951 00:45:48.840 --> 00:45:51.840 other some of the stuff is really not appropriate and 952 00:45:51.880 --> 00:45:55.079 there's no restriction on what they're really seeing. You can 953 00:45:55.119 --> 00:45:57.480 try to restrict it. Hell, the kids figured out how 954 00:45:57.519 --> 00:46:00.159 to get on TikTok and Xbox on the freaking in 955 00:46:00.199 --> 00:46:04.440 school computers that have banned three hundred plus websites as 956 00:46:04.480 --> 00:46:06.679 of right now, and they just went and put more 957 00:46:06.719 --> 00:46:08.840 software on it to try to block them from all this. 958 00:46:08.960 --> 00:46:11.440 And they figured it out within they figured. 959 00:46:11.239 --> 00:46:13.199 It out within a week. They all figured it out. 960 00:46:13.280 --> 00:46:16.000 They're so smart when it comes to technology, but that's 961 00:46:16.039 --> 00:46:17.639 going to be their downfall because they don't know how 962 00:46:17.639 --> 00:46:18.079 to do. 963 00:46:17.960 --> 00:46:20.079 Anything else besides technology. 964 00:46:20.199 --> 00:46:23.639 They can't go outside, they don't understand how to build guards. 965 00:46:23.679 --> 00:46:26.800 They have zero imagination. They don't know how to draw anymore, 966 00:46:26.800 --> 00:46:30.119 because oh you're looked at. If your draw and you color, 967 00:46:30.519 --> 00:46:32.719 then you have then you're weird. What's wrong with you? 968 00:46:32.800 --> 00:46:34.280 Why are you having an imagination? 969 00:46:34.719 --> 00:46:36.079 Just have AI do it? 970 00:46:37.239 --> 00:46:39.880 My chat My oldest was literally told this in our 971 00:46:39.920 --> 00:46:42.880 house before with some friends came over. Why are you 972 00:46:43.239 --> 00:46:46.320 doing that right now? Why we just play on our 973 00:46:46.320 --> 00:46:49.480 phones all day? So that was a weird. 974 00:46:49.599 --> 00:46:53.519 That's wild to me, that like, and that you know, 975 00:46:53.840 --> 00:46:56.760 what really bothers me is nobody knows how. 976 00:46:56.679 --> 00:46:57.320 To be bored. 977 00:46:57.840 --> 00:46:59.559 No one, dude, they do not. 978 00:47:00.599 --> 00:47:04.599 Boredom doesn't exist anymore. And I think boredom is like 979 00:47:05.000 --> 00:47:11.199 so fundamentally important for mental development because that's what spawns 980 00:47:11.239 --> 00:47:16.679 creativity and imagination. I remember being bored on a car 981 00:47:16.760 --> 00:47:20.000 ride all the time. Oh, anytime you would go visit 982 00:47:20.039 --> 00:47:22.159 grandparents or whatever, and I was bored. 983 00:47:22.559 --> 00:47:24.440 I had to have an imagination. 984 00:47:25.440 --> 00:47:30.679 And to your point about having the parents involved, that's 985 00:47:30.840 --> 00:47:31.440 totally on. 986 00:47:31.440 --> 00:47:34.119 Purpose, right, It's. 987 00:47:33.719 --> 00:47:36.800 To get the parents involved so that they are okay 988 00:47:36.840 --> 00:47:42.159 with this. Because here's the craziest concept that people just 989 00:47:42.880 --> 00:47:46.360 give their kids access to the internet and it's unfettered. 990 00:47:47.800 --> 00:47:50.360 It's like, have you seen what's on the internet. 991 00:47:50.639 --> 00:47:52.960 There's no way I would let my kid, Like, I 992 00:47:53.199 --> 00:47:55.480 don't want my kid having access to the internet at all, 993 00:47:55.679 --> 00:48:00.840 you know, right, I mean it's that might be unrealistic 994 00:48:00.920 --> 00:48:06.000 and that's fine, but you know it's just no parents 995 00:48:06.079 --> 00:48:08.199 don't stop their kids from the Internet. 996 00:48:09.159 --> 00:48:10.440 It's very difficult. 997 00:48:10.880 --> 00:48:16.599 Actually, So for example, I fought against the school until 998 00:48:16.679 --> 00:48:21.159 fourth grade, with my oldest being like, I'm not going 999 00:48:21.239 --> 00:48:22.960 to give him a computer. I want you to print 1000 00:48:22.960 --> 00:48:25.360 everything out. I'm sorry, he's not going to come home 1001 00:48:25.360 --> 00:48:28.960 with a computer. And every year it was a huge deal. 1002 00:48:29.119 --> 00:48:31.199 So then we get to fifth grade and he didn't 1003 00:48:31.239 --> 00:48:33.440 know how to use the programs because I took him 1004 00:48:33.440 --> 00:48:35.239 out of the regular public school and put him in 1005 00:48:35.280 --> 00:48:39.199 a monessory school. And honestly, he excelled so much. But 1006 00:48:39.360 --> 00:48:41.320 the problem is is that we needed to move back 1007 00:48:41.360 --> 00:48:44.039 because I have a child with special needs and stuff, 1008 00:48:44.239 --> 00:48:47.480 and so he went back into the school system and 1009 00:48:48.119 --> 00:48:50.440 he had such a great time at the monastery school 1010 00:48:50.480 --> 00:48:53.000 and everything is commuterized like he was. He had a 1011 00:48:53.039 --> 00:48:56.559 handwrite every single thing he had to in the monastery school. 1012 00:48:56.760 --> 00:48:59.679 He was writing cursive, he was doing all these massive 1013 00:48:59.719 --> 00:49:03.239 math problems by hand, all the stuff, you know, just 1014 00:49:03.239 --> 00:49:05.280 the way that we learned. And then he goes back 1015 00:49:05.320 --> 00:49:07.840 into school and everything is computerized to the point where 1016 00:49:08.119 --> 00:49:10.119 I'm having to go to school and sit down with 1017 00:49:10.159 --> 00:49:12.679 his teachers and him to try and figure out how 1018 00:49:12.679 --> 00:49:16.400 to do twelve different apps to find one thing. They 1019 00:49:16.440 --> 00:49:19.159 won't tell you when you're wrong on problems. They actually 1020 00:49:19.159 --> 00:49:21.000 don't give you a test anymore. And to tell you 1021 00:49:21.320 --> 00:49:23.480 they you have to find No, you have to find 1022 00:49:23.480 --> 00:49:26.599 it yourself if they do a so some of some 1023 00:49:26.719 --> 00:49:28.920 teachers don't even do this. Some teachers will let you 1024 00:49:28.960 --> 00:49:30.440 go back in and you have to like do a 1025 00:49:30.960 --> 00:49:33.599 rework so you can see it, but they don't tell 1026 00:49:33.639 --> 00:49:35.119 you what the answer is or how do you even 1027 00:49:35.159 --> 00:49:36.519 get to it, so you still just. 1028 00:49:36.559 --> 00:49:37.480 Keep getting it wrong. 1029 00:49:37.719 --> 00:49:39.360 And if you don't sit with your kid and do it, 1030 00:49:39.840 --> 00:49:42.079 they're just going to keep getting through the answer is wrong. 1031 00:49:42.239 --> 00:49:43.800 There's no tests that come back to you. 1032 00:49:43.840 --> 00:49:44.199 There's no. 1033 00:49:45.960 --> 00:49:48.519 No, they don't even great. They don't even check the 1034 00:49:48.639 --> 00:49:52.400 spelling on things. Literally, they do not check the spelling. 1035 00:49:52.480 --> 00:49:55.239 So the kids are typing all this stuff. Their words 1036 00:49:55.280 --> 00:49:58.800 are their sentences or run on sentences. They don't punctuate 1037 00:49:58.960 --> 00:49:59.400 very well. 1038 00:49:59.559 --> 00:50:02.480 They can't. You can tell that when they get a handout, 1039 00:50:02.639 --> 00:50:04.360 like an actual paper handout and they have to go 1040 00:50:04.400 --> 00:50:06.519 home and fill it out. And the way these kids 1041 00:50:06.559 --> 00:50:09.880 are writing out their sentences make no fucking sense. The 1042 00:50:09.920 --> 00:50:13.280 spelling is horrible. There's no punctuait x I bet it's slang. 1043 00:50:13.400 --> 00:50:17.480 It is. It's all slang. And they'll even write because. 1044 00:50:17.440 --> 00:50:22.440 BC they'll say like thank you, they'll just write, oh yeah, No, 1045 00:50:22.480 --> 00:50:25.519 they cut everything in half. And that's how they write, 1046 00:50:25.559 --> 00:50:29.199 and the teachers allow it because they're so used to 1047 00:50:29.239 --> 00:50:32.599 at this point trying to point because. 1048 00:50:32.320 --> 00:50:34.920 The teachers are more worried about what the benchmarks and 1049 00:50:34.960 --> 00:50:39.960 the state's funded take care. That's all it is. They 1050 00:50:39.960 --> 00:50:43.199 want their school to be of a certain percentile, and 1051 00:50:43.480 --> 00:50:45.880 it doesn't matter what the homework shows. It matters what 1052 00:50:45.880 --> 00:50:48.039 they make on that big state test at the end 1053 00:50:48.079 --> 00:50:50.079 of the year, and that's what decides that this teacher 1054 00:50:50.159 --> 00:50:52.320 is a good teacher. Not for the record, most of 1055 00:50:52.360 --> 00:50:54.760 these teachers have no business being in a room full 1056 00:50:54.800 --> 00:50:56.800 of children, let alone educating well. 1057 00:50:56.840 --> 00:50:59.679 I feel really bad because there is a good amount 1058 00:50:59.679 --> 00:51:02.559 of teacher that are trying their damnedest and when they 1059 00:51:02.639 --> 00:51:05.519 do slow and when they do slow down, they damn 1060 00:51:05.559 --> 00:51:07.800 near lose their jobs. Like we had a teacher that 1061 00:51:08.079 --> 00:51:10.760 slowed down so much because he's like, these kids. 1062 00:51:10.480 --> 00:51:11.800 Do not understand. 1063 00:51:12.199 --> 00:51:14.239 I do not want to keep pushing. 1064 00:51:13.880 --> 00:51:17.119 Forward without them understanding the basics of this, because if 1065 00:51:17.159 --> 00:51:19.039 they can't write, how the hell are they going to 1066 00:51:19.119 --> 00:51:20.880 succeed in anywhere else in their life. 1067 00:51:21.039 --> 00:51:25.679 He straight up got told that they. 1068 00:51:24.360 --> 00:51:27.440 That they're not AI chat GBT will do it for them. 1069 00:51:27.679 --> 00:51:30.760 And so he got told straight up that if you 1070 00:51:30.800 --> 00:51:33.280 don't hurry up and you don't cram this stuff into 1071 00:51:33.320 --> 00:51:36.880 them before this test, you are going to get actual 1072 00:51:36.960 --> 00:51:40.199 penalty and potentially could lose your job for this. So 1073 00:51:40.280 --> 00:51:43.280 here he is having to do all this extra work, 1074 00:51:43.320 --> 00:51:46.039 and some of the teachers even hold they go to 1075 00:51:46.119 --> 00:51:48.639 the extent of trying to hold the kid's hands to 1076 00:51:48.719 --> 00:51:51.360 give them extra time to help them out because they 1077 00:51:51.400 --> 00:51:53.880 can see that they can't do this work because they've 1078 00:51:53.880 --> 00:51:55.760 never been taught or they don't have enough time to 1079 00:51:55.840 --> 00:51:57.800 teach them how to do it. So then when you're 1080 00:51:57.880 --> 00:52:00.880 coming home and you have all this some amount of 1081 00:52:00.880 --> 00:52:03.320 homework to try to teach your kids. But the way 1082 00:52:03.320 --> 00:52:06.360 that they're learning is so far fetched from what we 1083 00:52:06.480 --> 00:52:09.719 learned and doesn't make any fucking sense. So then you're 1084 00:52:09.719 --> 00:52:12.559 trying to do this and you're it's just this weird 1085 00:52:12.639 --> 00:52:16.000 cycle and everything's online. There's ten different apps you have 1086 00:52:16.039 --> 00:52:19.280 to click all over the place, and it just it's honestly, 1087 00:52:19.280 --> 00:52:22.199 they're just setting our kids up for failure every. 1088 00:52:22.079 --> 00:52:22.679 Chance you get. 1089 00:52:22.840 --> 00:52:25.639 And those of us that can't do home school, it 1090 00:52:25.760 --> 00:52:27.639 just makes it really complicated because you know that you're 1091 00:52:27.679 --> 00:52:30.559 sending your school, your kid into a school environment where 1092 00:52:30.880 --> 00:52:33.039 they might be getting half truth, they might be learning 1093 00:52:33.079 --> 00:52:35.440 half the stuff and hoping to fill in the gaps 1094 00:52:35.440 --> 00:52:38.119 where you can. And that's I think what a lot 1095 00:52:38.159 --> 00:52:40.920 of honestly American parents are trying to do right now. 1096 00:52:41.599 --> 00:52:45.960 Right No, and you know my personal opinion, this is 1097 00:52:46.119 --> 00:52:50.079 all designed. This is designed to be this way. They 1098 00:52:50.519 --> 00:52:54.400 want us in this position so that the kids are 1099 00:52:54.480 --> 00:52:57.559 raised by the state, because that's what it is. Education is. 1100 00:52:58.440 --> 00:53:01.840 It's from the state, right, it's the Board of Education. 1101 00:53:02.440 --> 00:53:06.840 Teachers are government employees, and so our kids are forced 1102 00:53:06.880 --> 00:53:11.639 to be stuck in one room with you know, anywhere 1103 00:53:11.679 --> 00:53:15.440 between twenty five I've seen on the low end upwards 1104 00:53:15.480 --> 00:53:21.119 of forty even fifty kids per class and they're stuck 1105 00:53:21.119 --> 00:53:24.440 in there with a government employee who has no incentive 1106 00:53:24.480 --> 00:53:28.920 to actually do a good job. And then the curriculum 1107 00:53:29.000 --> 00:53:33.199 is a joke, which is just man. 1108 00:53:33.119 --> 00:53:33.199 It. 1109 00:53:34.920 --> 00:53:38.199 Just processing. What you just told me is a horror story. 1110 00:53:38.719 --> 00:53:42.079 Like that's just the most horrific thing I can think of. 1111 00:53:42.119 --> 00:53:47.599 And man like, this is just brainwashing on such another level, 1112 00:53:48.280 --> 00:53:50.920 you know, because they don't actually know anything. I mean, 1113 00:53:51.000 --> 00:53:53.760 there was things that we weren't taught. Like, you know, 1114 00:53:53.920 --> 00:53:58.039 I was barely taught how to balance a checkbook, right, 1115 00:53:58.559 --> 00:54:00.199 I still don't know how I don't have to do, 1116 00:54:00.599 --> 00:54:02.880 you know, I mean right houses. 1117 00:54:02.960 --> 00:54:04.320 We were never taught to taxes. 1118 00:54:04.480 --> 00:54:11.599 You know, we were very briefly just taught about taxes. 1119 00:54:12.239 --> 00:54:15.840 And I'm being very generous when I say that. More 1120 00:54:15.920 --> 00:54:18.480 like it was brought up one time and this is 1121 00:54:18.480 --> 00:54:20.400 what the taxes are, here's what they use for, and 1122 00:54:20.440 --> 00:54:23.800 onto the next thing, how to file, what an exemption is. 1123 00:54:24.280 --> 00:54:29.039 But these things weren't in our education. So yeah, as 1124 00:54:29.079 --> 00:54:31.519 you're talking about possibly starting a family here soon, just 1125 00:54:31.519 --> 00:54:33.960 just know these things before you get into it. 1126 00:54:34.400 --> 00:54:39.159 You know, kidding sounds like I would be much better 1127 00:54:39.199 --> 00:54:42.000 off just raising a feral child raised by you know, 1128 00:54:42.480 --> 00:54:48.400 a wolf dad. I mean, you may be onto something, right, right, 1129 00:54:48.480 --> 00:54:53.039 I mean, it's it's just crazy because this system has 1130 00:54:53.079 --> 00:54:55.599 gone so far. But I'll tell you what gives me 1131 00:54:55.679 --> 00:54:59.079 hope in all of this is one of the biggest 1132 00:54:59.079 --> 00:55:00.840 things that gives me hope and all of this is 1133 00:55:01.360 --> 00:55:05.599 if things were hopeless, their propaganda would be pointless and 1134 00:55:05.639 --> 00:55:06.840 they would not be pushing it. 1135 00:55:07.440 --> 00:55:08.960 The brainwashing would not be. 1136 00:55:10.320 --> 00:55:13.159 It would not be being pushed because it would also 1137 00:55:13.199 --> 00:55:17.960 be pointless. So the reason why the brainwashing, the mind 1138 00:55:18.000 --> 00:55:21.000 control is still being used and pushed the way that 1139 00:55:21.079 --> 00:55:24.599 it is is because if they stop doing it, then 1140 00:55:24.679 --> 00:55:27.559 we're going to revert back. Because the thing about mind 1141 00:55:27.559 --> 00:55:31.519 control is you've got to constantly go through programming for 1142 00:55:31.559 --> 00:55:35.400 it to actually stick, otherwise it starts breaking down. So 1143 00:55:36.760 --> 00:55:38.360 I don't view things as hopeless. 1144 00:55:38.360 --> 00:55:38.639 I'm not. 1145 00:55:38.880 --> 00:55:42.320 I'm definitely not a black pillar. I think black pills 1146 00:55:42.360 --> 00:55:48.079 are a syop meant to kill hope before it even begins, 1147 00:55:48.480 --> 00:55:50.880 because I mean, if they can they can kill hope 1148 00:55:51.039 --> 00:55:54.440 before it even begins, then I mean they've already won. 1149 00:55:55.000 --> 00:56:00.440 And I'm just not willing to concede that. So honestly, 1150 00:56:00.480 --> 00:56:02.440 I still have a whole lot of hope for this, 1151 00:56:02.840 --> 00:56:06.760 and also I think people, I mean, this is now 1152 00:56:06.800 --> 00:56:10.880 affecting home, right, People can't just watch the football games 1153 00:56:10.920 --> 00:56:14.760 anymore and have this stuff not affect them. And it's 1154 00:56:15.480 --> 00:56:18.480 so that's what's going to start changing things, is this 1155 00:56:18.599 --> 00:56:24.079 is affecting everyone's kids, and things are so drastically different, 1156 00:56:25.000 --> 00:56:29.320 so it's a different world. I ultimately have hope for this, so. 1157 00:56:30.280 --> 00:56:32.280 I find myself trying to get high on hope. I'm 1158 00:56:32.280 --> 00:56:35.840 a good bit, but man, it's like every time I'm thinking, hey, 1159 00:56:35.880 --> 00:56:38.719 we might be finally cresting here and making our way 1160 00:56:38.760 --> 00:56:40.920 on the other side, it's like, ah, my bad, we 1161 00:56:41.320 --> 00:56:44.960 still have good ways to go. But I don't know. 1162 00:56:45.039 --> 00:56:46.719 Maybe that's also just because of the line of work 1163 00:56:46.760 --> 00:56:49.199 that we're in. We're always looking at things through a 1164 00:56:49.320 --> 00:56:54.400 very a different lens than most people are. So it sucks. 1165 00:56:54.400 --> 00:56:57.559 Though you get black pilled, and that's not fun. Nobody 1166 00:56:57.599 --> 00:56:59.320 wants to get black pilled. But at the same time, 1167 00:56:59.440 --> 00:57:02.400 you can't can't negate certain things, and once you learn 1168 00:57:02.440 --> 00:57:06.360 certain things, you can't unlearn them. So yeah, especially when 1169 00:57:06.360 --> 00:57:09.000 it affects your children in the education system and the 1170 00:57:09.039 --> 00:57:11.639 future that they will be stepping off into in the 1171 00:57:11.679 --> 00:57:15.400 next ten twenty years. What the fuck is that actually 1172 00:57:15.400 --> 00:57:17.880 going to look like when that time comes, It's it's 1173 00:57:17.920 --> 00:57:21.760 a mess. But so you do a lot of digging 1174 00:57:21.800 --> 00:57:26.079 into MK ultra and brainwashing techniques and things like this. 1175 00:57:26.719 --> 00:57:28.760 Where did you get your start on that? What was 1176 00:57:28.800 --> 00:57:31.199 it about that that really jumped out at you and 1177 00:57:31.239 --> 00:57:31.960 got you started? 1178 00:57:34.960 --> 00:57:37.960 So it was once I was introduced to the concept 1179 00:57:38.199 --> 00:57:43.800 of subliminal messaging. It's honestly, I couldn't even tell you 1180 00:57:43.840 --> 00:57:48.159 like where that came up. I've been trying to think 1181 00:57:48.199 --> 00:57:52.079 about it for several years now, you know, for just 1182 00:57:52.159 --> 00:57:55.360 this very question of trying to figure out, like where 1183 00:57:55.360 --> 00:57:59.079 did I even learn the concept of subliminal messaging? And 1184 00:57:59.480 --> 00:58:03.559 it to have been somewhere in the nineties with the 1185 00:58:03.679 --> 00:58:07.519 nineties cartoons, because I go back and go watch a bunch. 1186 00:58:08.119 --> 00:58:12.880 In fact, my favorite is a Freakazoid Guys don't remember 1187 00:58:12.920 --> 00:58:15.239 that one, go rewatch it because it's amazing. It's the 1188 00:58:15.239 --> 00:58:18.920 best cartoon ever made, I swear. But had to have 1189 00:58:18.960 --> 00:58:21.719 been somewhere there and it just stuck in my mind somewhere. 1190 00:58:21.760 --> 00:58:24.559 So as I got older, I just looked into subliminal 1191 00:58:24.599 --> 00:58:29.559 messaging and exactly what it was, and the fact that 1192 00:58:29.599 --> 00:58:35.159 it existed at all was amazing to me, and so 1193 00:58:37.239 --> 00:58:39.599 I guess I kind of just picked it up. There 1194 00:58:39.960 --> 00:58:42.079 is kind of where it started, because once you start 1195 00:58:42.159 --> 00:58:46.199 searching subliminal messaging, mk ultra is not too far behind. 1196 00:58:47.400 --> 00:58:50.559 Subliminal messaging is just a form of mind control, right. 1197 00:58:50.639 --> 00:58:54.119 It's so there's two different forms of mind control. There's 1198 00:58:54.199 --> 00:58:58.800 individual mind control and there's mass mind control, and subliminal 1199 00:58:58.840 --> 00:59:00.800 messaging is just mind control. 1200 00:59:01.039 --> 00:59:01.239 Right. 1201 00:59:02.239 --> 00:59:05.880 But here's the thing about subliminal messaging. It's literally just advertising. 1202 00:59:06.360 --> 00:59:08.480 That's that's all it is. It's it's p R, it's 1203 00:59:08.480 --> 00:59:11.119 public relations propaganda. 1204 00:59:11.440 --> 00:59:14.960 We just did an episode about was Edward Brenese the 1205 00:59:15.000 --> 00:59:16.199 creator of propaganda? 1206 00:59:17.119 --> 00:59:24.880 Yeah, Edward Brenees. It's a fascinating man, very fascinating. Freud's nephew, right, 1207 00:59:25.639 --> 00:59:30.519 and his Edward Brenees is a great nephew. Uh. It 1208 00:59:30.960 --> 00:59:34.199 was the co founder and CEO of Netflix for a while. 1209 00:59:34.840 --> 00:59:37.239 So that's right. Damn, I forgot about that one. 1210 00:59:38.000 --> 00:59:43.800 Yeah, so it's like continuing the legacy, you know. But yeah, 1211 00:59:43.840 --> 00:59:46.119 that's that's kind of where I got my start with it. 1212 00:59:46.320 --> 00:59:50.320 And honestly, I've always just been fascinated with the whole 1213 00:59:50.639 --> 00:59:56.000 mind control story. And as I carried on, as I 1214 00:59:56.159 --> 00:59:59.800 was getting more and more into politics, you know, my 1215 01:00:00.320 --> 01:00:07.639 conspiracy research continued more and more right into things like 1216 01:00:07.760 --> 01:00:12.519 Operation mocking Bird, the JFK assassination, and if I could 1217 01:00:12.559 --> 01:00:15.559 get my hands on a declassified document, whether it was 1218 01:00:15.599 --> 01:00:19.239 like from the fifties, sixties, seventies, nineties, early two thousands, 1219 01:00:19.280 --> 01:00:19.719 didn't matter. 1220 01:00:19.760 --> 01:00:21.440 I was reading it. I was going to read it. 1221 01:00:23.000 --> 01:00:27.599 I just was fascinated at the very idea or concept 1222 01:00:27.800 --> 01:00:30.960 that there were things hidden from us, and that the 1223 01:00:31.000 --> 01:00:35.920 idea of a declassified document could even exist. So that's 1224 01:00:36.000 --> 01:00:38.519 kind of where I got my start. The reason I 1225 01:00:38.599 --> 01:00:41.159 decided to focus on MK ultra and mind control is 1226 01:00:41.159 --> 01:00:43.840 because I think everything comes back to it. I think 1227 01:00:43.880 --> 01:00:46.320 the reason why we are in the position we are, 1228 01:00:46.679 --> 01:00:50.440 the reason why that they're able to screw us over 1229 01:00:50.519 --> 01:00:52.559 so bad and do all of these things, is because 1230 01:00:52.599 --> 01:00:56.360 of the mind control. Because if we weren't force fed 1231 01:00:56.440 --> 01:01:01.920 propaganda after syop after syop after propaganda, then maybe we 1232 01:01:02.159 --> 01:01:07.320 actually might stand up and stop these people. But unfortunately 1233 01:01:07.719 --> 01:01:11.320 we are just spoon fed what they want us to believe. 1234 01:01:11.800 --> 01:01:15.480 And so I really do believe that this is the 1235 01:01:15.639 --> 01:01:19.000 crux of the issue, which is kind of why that's 1236 01:01:19.079 --> 01:01:21.079 like the basis of all my research. 1237 01:01:22.239 --> 01:01:25.559 Yeah, I mean I get so you're basically saying that 1238 01:01:25.639 --> 01:01:29.760 all human before I even say that, How deep and 1239 01:01:29.800 --> 01:01:31.840 how far do you believe this goes? Do you believe 1240 01:01:31.840 --> 01:01:34.639 this is a global phenomena? Do you believe that it's 1241 01:01:34.679 --> 01:01:36.599 primarily American and the rest of the world kind of 1242 01:01:36.599 --> 01:01:39.079 takes their notes and takes their lead from America? To 1243 01:01:39.159 --> 01:01:41.159 what level do you believe? Oh? 1244 01:01:41.199 --> 01:01:45.280 I think America even to this day is still the 1245 01:01:45.400 --> 01:01:48.719 king or queen, whatever you want to call it doesn't 1246 01:01:48.760 --> 01:01:51.800 really matter. But we are the top. We are the 1247 01:01:51.960 --> 01:01:57.800 innovators of mind control. I think other countries obviously work 1248 01:01:59.280 --> 01:02:04.039 with the United States. Obviously, I think Tavistock had had 1249 01:02:04.079 --> 01:02:06.400 the crown for a long time, and that's you know, 1250 01:02:06.440 --> 01:02:11.199 from the UK. But I really do think that since 1251 01:02:11.280 --> 01:02:15.840 the seventies, the United States has been top dog as 1252 01:02:15.880 --> 01:02:21.280 far as programming mind control and everything, And so I 1253 01:02:21.320 --> 01:02:24.920 do believe that it is world worldwide. I mean, why 1254 01:02:24.920 --> 01:02:27.679 wouldn't it be so. I mean, these techniques can be 1255 01:02:27.800 --> 01:02:31.320 used by anybody, They can be used by cult leaders, 1256 01:02:31.480 --> 01:02:35.199 and they are that's partially what mk Ultra turned into 1257 01:02:35.639 --> 01:02:41.599 was underground cults, Satanist groups. That's kind of what we're 1258 01:02:41.599 --> 01:02:43.639 seeing with like seven six four in the order of 1259 01:02:43.719 --> 01:02:50.159 nine angles stuff today. But almost every single clandestine operation 1260 01:02:50.679 --> 01:02:56.039 there's some form of mind control or Manchurian candidate involvement. 1261 01:02:56.440 --> 01:02:59.960 I mean, whether we're talking Operation Gladio, where we're talking 1262 01:03:00.360 --> 01:03:03.320 Operation Phoenix, like, it doesn't matter, it all goes back 1263 01:03:03.360 --> 01:03:06.800 to mind control at some point. So I really do 1264 01:03:06.920 --> 01:03:10.360 just think like that's the ultimate crux of the whole thing. 1265 01:03:12.239 --> 01:03:16.000 I mean, news media, Like the impact that the media 1266 01:03:16.039 --> 01:03:19.480 has had on people just in general. I am just 1267 01:03:19.559 --> 01:03:20.400 mind boggling. 1268 01:03:20.639 --> 01:03:23.079 I am happy that more people are waking up to 1269 01:03:23.119 --> 01:03:26.159 the fact that mainstream media is full of shit, regardless 1270 01:03:26.159 --> 01:03:28.039 if you are on the left or the right side 1271 01:03:28.039 --> 01:03:31.719 of it. Right, well, I prefer Fox overseeing and Okay, yeah, 1272 01:03:31.760 --> 01:03:33.880 I hear you, but understand that's just propaganda on the 1273 01:03:33.880 --> 01:03:37.000 other side, Like it's the same thing, is just appealing 1274 01:03:37.039 --> 01:03:40.079 more towards your personal interests. It doesn't make it any 1275 01:03:40.199 --> 01:03:41.639 less fake or less full of shit. 1276 01:03:42.440 --> 01:03:46.280 Right right, And honestly, this is the only thing I 1277 01:03:46.280 --> 01:03:50.960 will credit Trump with is destroying that barrier for so 1278 01:03:51.039 --> 01:03:54.280 many people. Yeah, I think that's the only good thing 1279 01:03:54.320 --> 01:03:57.599 he's done. I think it's a very good thing he's done. 1280 01:03:58.480 --> 01:04:02.440 I don't believe that that, uh counteracts all the shitty 1281 01:04:02.480 --> 01:04:06.360 things he's done by any means, But I think that's 1282 01:04:07.519 --> 01:04:10.400 the only good thing that I've seen him do since 1283 01:04:10.440 --> 01:04:15.480 he entered politics, since twenty sixteen, the whole fake news thing, 1284 01:04:15.920 --> 01:04:19.639 and it's spread because even the left doesn't believe CNN anymore, 1285 01:04:19.880 --> 01:04:23.519 you know, It's like nobody believes mainstream media. 1286 01:04:23.599 --> 01:04:26.559 So I mean there's so many cases where, like CNN 1287 01:04:26.679 --> 01:04:31.599 in just particular, the quote unquote mostly peaceful protests as 1288 01:04:31.639 --> 01:04:34.119 the person on the ground reporting this has a burning 1289 01:04:34.199 --> 01:04:36.840 building and a cop car flipped over behind them, and 1290 01:04:36.880 --> 01:04:39.679 it's like, I mean, it doesn't even take that crazy 1291 01:04:39.679 --> 01:04:42.679 of a logical brain to see that y'all are lying, 1292 01:04:43.000 --> 01:04:46.639 like overtly lying. But then y'all also have the people 1293 01:04:46.639 --> 01:04:49.880 at Fox that have, Yeah, there's like Trump derangement syndrome 1294 01:04:49.920 --> 01:04:52.320 on both side of it. Half these people believe that 1295 01:04:52.840 --> 01:04:54.840 if he saves a kitten from a tree, they'll find 1296 01:04:54.840 --> 01:04:57.400 some way to say that Trump hates trees, you know. 1297 01:04:57.440 --> 01:05:00.239 And then on the other side, if he any thing 1298 01:05:00.280 --> 01:05:02.920 that he does is either completely from the devil or 1299 01:05:02.960 --> 01:05:06.239 completely from Jesus. And it's like this, y'all understand that 1300 01:05:06.320 --> 01:05:09.559 both of those are equally psychotic. But I mean, and 1301 01:05:09.599 --> 01:05:10.000 they had. 1302 01:05:09.920 --> 01:05:12.599 That same rhetoric for every politic you've got bluing on, 1303 01:05:12.840 --> 01:05:13.039 you know. 1304 01:05:13.239 --> 01:05:17.960 Yeah, it's the same for whatever politician, whatever flavor you have, 1305 01:05:18.119 --> 01:05:22.039 whatever religious ideology you have, it's your algorithm is pushing 1306 01:05:22.199 --> 01:05:25.119 a certain thing your way to where it's just kind 1307 01:05:25.119 --> 01:05:27.719 of force feeds you perpetual things that to make your 1308 01:05:27.719 --> 01:05:30.519 brain just react the way it does and it's mind blowing. 1309 01:05:31.000 --> 01:05:32.760 But like you said, more and more people are waking 1310 01:05:32.840 --> 01:05:34.440 up to that, and I think Trump had a lot 1311 01:05:34.480 --> 01:05:36.679 to do with that. I think, and we've talked about 1312 01:05:36.679 --> 01:05:39.199 this a good bit too. I think Epstein Island getting 1313 01:05:39.880 --> 01:05:44.800 talked about into the regular, your average Joe zeitgeist now 1314 01:05:45.000 --> 01:05:47.400 because we talked about this in twenty fourteen. 1315 01:05:47.639 --> 01:05:49.719 Like Epstein is a household name now. 1316 01:05:49.960 --> 01:05:52.760 Right in twenty fourteen, if you were to tell your homeboy, like, 1317 01:05:52.760 --> 01:05:55.239 you know, there's an island where these elites are taking 1318 01:05:55.239 --> 01:05:56.960 these kids and doing horrible shit, they looked at you 1319 01:05:57.000 --> 01:05:59.599 like you were crazy. And now it's like, wait a minute, Well, 1320 01:05:59.639 --> 01:06:01.639 of course they were, and it's like, yeah, they've been 1321 01:06:01.639 --> 01:06:03.920 doing that for decades. It's not new, and that wasn't 1322 01:06:03.920 --> 01:06:07.760 the worst island. So cut to now when it's then 1323 01:06:08.000 --> 01:06:10.719 Donald Trump happened, and the fake media happened and all 1324 01:06:10.760 --> 01:06:13.119 these other things. So people are and then COVID happened, 1325 01:06:13.159 --> 01:06:16.119 and so people are more willing to question the quote 1326 01:06:16.199 --> 01:06:20.599 unquote narrative now more than ever before. But unfortunately, as 1327 01:06:20.639 --> 01:06:23.480 we are in the age of information, we are also 1328 01:06:23.559 --> 01:06:26.559 in the age of disinformation. So it's like as much 1329 01:06:26.639 --> 01:06:29.199 truth as being pumped out, there's almost three times more 1330 01:06:29.239 --> 01:06:30.719 falsehoods that are being pumped. 1331 01:06:30.480 --> 01:06:35.760 Out right, right, and that that is the opposite side 1332 01:06:35.800 --> 01:06:38.920 of this, right, This is why I believe that QAnon 1333 01:06:39.079 --> 01:06:43.159 has been so successful, because q and on is is 1334 01:06:43.239 --> 01:06:47.639 a counter operation, right, Like, it's brought out to make 1335 01:06:47.760 --> 01:06:51.360 people that ask legitimate questions seem crazy. 1336 01:06:51.480 --> 01:06:52.719 It's a way to write them off. 1337 01:06:52.719 --> 01:06:54.599 It's also a way to make sure that people don't 1338 01:06:54.679 --> 01:06:58.159 do anything right, trust the plan, don't do anything people you. 1339 01:06:58.159 --> 01:07:00.760 Believe QAnon is a real thing, or do you believe 1340 01:07:00.760 --> 01:07:04.880 it's a syop? Because I've heard arguments from Okay, leaning 1341 01:07:04.920 --> 01:07:06.920 way more towards the siop side of things. Now, when 1342 01:07:06.960 --> 01:07:07.800 it first came out, it. 1343 01:07:08.519 --> 01:07:11.199 Is a thing, it is a thing, but it's a 1344 01:07:11.239 --> 01:07:15.880 fake thing, you know. So like but this it's like 1345 01:07:15.880 --> 01:07:20.800 a boomer trap, you know. And here's here's the problem 1346 01:07:20.800 --> 01:07:23.280 with it is because there is real information in it. 1347 01:07:23.400 --> 01:07:27.559 But that's how you know it's a disinformation campaign is 1348 01:07:27.599 --> 01:07:33.719 because any disinformation agent has to release real information, period 1349 01:07:34.039 --> 01:07:37.440 they have to. It's the one percent of information that's 1350 01:07:37.559 --> 01:07:41.760 wrong that sends you off course, because a one degree 1351 01:07:42.360 --> 01:07:45.639 drift off course, like if if anyone has ever used 1352 01:07:45.679 --> 01:07:49.599 a map to navigate anything, if you're one degree off course, 1353 01:07:50.199 --> 01:07:55.199 that sends you way off course. And that's how disinformation works, 1354 01:07:55.559 --> 01:08:01.519 or count counterintelligence misinformation, that's how that works. And so 1355 01:08:02.199 --> 01:08:06.039 there's a lot of true information, but then they throw 1356 01:08:06.079 --> 01:08:10.559 in the kernels of bad information and so it's like 1357 01:08:10.599 --> 01:08:14.400 a minefield, right, and you know, lose a limb over there, 1358 01:08:14.519 --> 01:08:20.680 lose limb over there metaphorically speaking. So yeah, QAnon total psyop, right, 1359 01:08:21.159 --> 01:08:24.199 And it's to get people to not do anything. 1360 01:08:24.960 --> 01:08:29.520 Because you think is running it, somebody from the. 1361 01:08:29.439 --> 01:08:34.439 Pentagon, some some some Reddit nerd, you know, like it's 1362 01:08:35.159 --> 01:08:40.640 it's it's not that complicated as the thing, right, and 1363 01:08:40.960 --> 01:08:44.399 you throw in some mysticism and some like occult stuff 1364 01:08:44.399 --> 01:08:46.920 in there, some numerology, and all of a sudden boom, 1365 01:08:47.039 --> 01:08:50.760 that's it. Like it's I mean, hell, at this point, 1366 01:08:50.840 --> 01:08:54.359 they could literally set up q On like an AI drop, 1367 01:08:54.960 --> 01:08:57.159 you know, like it, you know. 1368 01:08:57.239 --> 01:09:01.079 And here some believe it has been the whole time, right. 1369 01:09:00.960 --> 01:09:02.159 And it totally could. 1370 01:09:03.079 --> 01:09:05.920 I think there there is human intervention at some level. 1371 01:09:05.960 --> 01:09:08.920 I think there there has to be, Like they're guiding it. 1372 01:09:08.960 --> 01:09:12.720 They're the the the bumpers to the bowling lane, I guess, 1373 01:09:12.760 --> 01:09:19.039 you know, but it's it's I think largely even the 1374 01:09:19.640 --> 01:09:23.159 fans of QAnon I think are like a bot farm. 1375 01:09:23.800 --> 01:09:27.239 So you know, I think it's field full of bots 1376 01:09:27.439 --> 01:09:30.399 all over the place. Even the contractors to it, I 1377 01:09:30.439 --> 01:09:31.239 think are bots. 1378 01:09:31.640 --> 01:09:34.399 Oh that's across the air andet in totality was it? 1379 01:09:34.520 --> 01:09:37.479 Remember when Elon bought Twitter and now it's x and 1380 01:09:37.600 --> 01:09:40.079 people still call it Twitter or whatever, and he said 1381 01:09:40.119 --> 01:09:41.880 he was going to clean out all the bots, and 1382 01:09:41.920 --> 01:09:44.119 he was expecting that it was like going to be 1383 01:09:44.159 --> 01:09:46.760 twenty percent bots and it was going to be no 1384 01:09:46.760 --> 01:09:48.760 big deal. He gets there and buys it and looks 1385 01:09:48.760 --> 01:09:50.279 at it. He's like, no, no, this is like eighty 1386 01:09:50.399 --> 01:09:53.319 five percent bots. What the fuck is this? And then 1387 01:09:53.359 --> 01:09:56.680 he like pretty much let quote unquote free speech rain 1388 01:09:57.000 --> 01:10:00.520 and the bots have been drastically reduced, but they are 1389 01:10:00.560 --> 01:10:02.760 still I'll give it a fifty to fifty spread now. 1390 01:10:03.520 --> 01:10:07.600 Right, Well, that was the whole reason for the verification 1391 01:10:07.760 --> 01:10:12.800 on the site was that only humans can verify, so 1392 01:10:12.840 --> 01:10:16.279 that that was the whole, the whole, like when he 1393 01:10:16.359 --> 01:10:19.560 announced the idea of verification, that was the whole reason 1394 01:10:19.600 --> 01:10:23.640 for it. You pay ten bucks and you're guaranteed to 1395 01:10:23.640 --> 01:10:25.039 be a person, so. 1396 01:10:25.640 --> 01:10:28.479 Which is also crazy because I mean, I feel like 1397 01:10:28.720 --> 01:10:31.920 a computer program could send ten dollars from point A 1398 01:10:32.000 --> 01:10:33.399 to point B. I don't know. 1399 01:10:33.560 --> 01:10:36.319 And you know what's crazy to me is the fact 1400 01:10:36.319 --> 01:10:37.840 that capture still works. 1401 01:10:38.680 --> 01:10:40.640 Those CAPTUA designs. 1402 01:10:40.680 --> 01:10:44.319 Is like pick out all all the traffic lights, and 1403 01:10:44.319 --> 01:10:47.039 all of a sudden, like AI reaches a capture and they're. 1404 01:10:46.840 --> 01:10:50.159 Like, I never understood that. 1405 01:10:50.640 --> 01:10:53.399 So I looked into those I looked into what about 1406 01:10:53.439 --> 01:10:56.800 that lets the program know that you're a human. It's 1407 01:10:56.840 --> 01:10:59.800 the way your mouse moves because a computer is either 1408 01:10:59.840 --> 01:11:03.000 going to go directly in a straight line, as like 1409 01:11:03.119 --> 01:11:04.840 just the quickest way from point A to point B, 1410 01:11:05.399 --> 01:11:07.720 and or it's gonna you remember those old uh etch 1411 01:11:07.760 --> 01:11:09.279 of sketches that you'd only be able to go up 1412 01:11:09.319 --> 01:11:11.159 at angle a certain angle, and so like a computer 1413 01:11:11.239 --> 01:11:13.680 is gonna go hard right angles in nine degree turns, 1414 01:11:13.680 --> 01:11:16.640 and shit, right, a human is going to there's gonna 1415 01:11:16.640 --> 01:11:18.279 be a little bit of sway in or whatever. I'm like, 1416 01:11:18.720 --> 01:11:21.960 it's very easy to rune a program to do that. 1417 01:11:21.800 --> 01:11:23.840 That is the one thing standing in the way of 1418 01:11:23.880 --> 01:11:27.520 AI taking over the world is some fucking street light pictures. 1419 01:11:27.520 --> 01:11:31.239 But sure, all right, so far it's working, but not 1420 01:11:31.279 --> 01:11:31.920 for much longer. 1421 01:11:31.960 --> 01:11:35.119 I don't think anyway, right, And you know what's crazy 1422 01:11:35.119 --> 01:11:37.720 about it, It's it's because it the reason I think 1423 01:11:37.720 --> 01:11:39.479 it works is because it's so simple. 1424 01:11:39.520 --> 01:11:40.560 It's stupid, you know. 1425 01:11:41.680 --> 01:11:45.279 It's just like one of those uniquely human things that 1426 01:11:45.920 --> 01:11:47.439 AI just can't get. 1427 01:11:47.640 --> 01:11:49.359 Yet You're right, it. 1428 01:11:49.279 --> 01:11:53.319 Will one day be got right and capture won't work anymore. 1429 01:11:54.239 --> 01:11:58.399 And it's it's obviously not full proof, but but I 1430 01:11:58.439 --> 01:12:01.399 think it just takes it takes enough out of it 1431 01:12:01.439 --> 01:12:04.239 that there's enough success rate that it still works. But yeah, 1432 01:12:04.279 --> 01:12:09.000 one day, I mean supposedly we already have quantum computing, 1433 01:12:09.359 --> 01:12:12.039 you know, at you know, Google's already done this and stuff, 1434 01:12:12.039 --> 01:12:14.920 and so who knows exactly how long that's going to last. 1435 01:12:15.239 --> 01:12:19.760 Probably a year or two, I mean five at best. 1436 01:12:20.119 --> 01:12:21.239 What why do you say this? 1437 01:12:23.800 --> 01:12:24.039 What? 1438 01:12:24.039 --> 01:12:26.359 What exactly why do you say the quantum computing is 1439 01:12:26.359 --> 01:12:28.279 only gonna last another five years? Or do you mean 1440 01:12:28.279 --> 01:12:29.760 captures only last five years? 1441 01:12:31.319 --> 01:12:35.000 Because with the quantum computing, that's going to actually allow 1442 01:12:35.600 --> 01:12:42.359 for AI to mimic the certain certain human characteristics are 1443 01:12:42.640 --> 01:12:45.680 detectable through capture puzzles. 1444 01:12:45.760 --> 01:12:46.119 Gotcha. 1445 01:12:46.159 --> 01:12:49.960 Got So that's that's why I would say something like that, 1446 01:12:50.000 --> 01:12:53.039 because it's going to be a lot easier for AI 1447 01:12:53.159 --> 01:12:59.640 to actually start mimicking Uh, these little human I mean, 1448 01:13:00.000 --> 01:13:03.920 I'm quite sure what to call it. Yes, the uniquely 1449 01:13:04.079 --> 01:13:07.840 human mannerisms that machines just can't copy. 1450 01:13:08.159 --> 01:13:09.479 They just don't understand it. 1451 01:13:10.079 --> 01:13:13.960 So, like some of my favorite videos on Instagram right 1452 01:13:14.000 --> 01:13:19.079 now is these these videos that show somebody taking a 1453 01:13:19.119 --> 01:13:23.119 picture and then telling chat GBT to recreate the picture 1454 01:13:23.560 --> 01:13:26.760 exactly the same, don't change anything, And it's a whole 1455 01:13:26.840 --> 01:13:29.760 string of photos and each photo gets different and different 1456 01:13:29.760 --> 01:13:33.239 and different and different. It cannot recreate us. 1457 01:13:33.840 --> 01:13:34.720 It's artificial. 1458 01:13:35.079 --> 01:13:41.039 Right, we are genuine intelligence, we are human intelligence, it's 1459 01:13:41.079 --> 01:13:45.479 still artificial. So I think with quantum computing, it's going 1460 01:13:45.560 --> 01:13:48.479 to start changing things, right right, I think it's going 1461 01:13:48.520 --> 01:13:52.199 to start picking up on these things. However, even with 1462 01:13:52.319 --> 01:13:56.039 quantum computing, I don't think AI will actually ever reach 1463 01:13:56.880 --> 01:14:00.800 the quality of what these technocrats actually want, what these 1464 01:14:00.800 --> 01:14:03.840 transhumanists want. I don't think that it will ever be 1465 01:14:03.920 --> 01:14:07.399 capable of it, because we are the closest thing to 1466 01:14:07.439 --> 01:14:10.479 perfection that could ever exist, because we are created by 1467 01:14:10.520 --> 01:14:15.119 God and no man can create anything that can recreate that. 1468 01:14:15.439 --> 01:14:19.520 So not going to stop them from trying though, for sure. 1469 01:14:19.640 --> 01:14:21.239 And there's there's gonna be a whole lot of death 1470 01:14:21.279 --> 01:14:23.960 on the way, you know, because every time these people 1471 01:14:24.000 --> 01:14:29.640 get involved, it's anytime you get like a megalomaniac with 1472 01:14:29.720 --> 01:14:32.880 a god complex that thinks I know best for all 1473 01:14:32.880 --> 01:14:37.640 of humanity, people die. Yeah, it happens every time. 1474 01:14:37.880 --> 01:14:43.039 So what's your take on Genesis? Genesis, Raven, you know 1475 01:14:43.119 --> 01:14:44.039 more about this than I do. 1476 01:14:45.039 --> 01:14:48.680 It's the AI program that Donald Trump just signed into office. 1477 01:14:48.760 --> 01:14:52.479 It's under the guise of an environmental push to keep 1478 01:14:52.479 --> 01:14:57.079 everything safe, but it's also but it's also mainly set 1479 01:14:57.159 --> 01:15:00.000 up for war defense, and they want to be pushing 1480 01:15:00.159 --> 01:15:02.680 right now, the race of the super ai is on 1481 01:15:02.920 --> 01:15:07.399 between Russia, China, US and I don't think anybody else really, 1482 01:15:07.439 --> 01:15:11.279 but this is pretty much they have free superpowers. So well, 1483 01:15:11.399 --> 01:15:14.239 it's a whole situation to try to get our defenses 1484 01:15:14.359 --> 01:15:17.279 up because as of right now, you know, Russia and 1485 01:15:17.359 --> 01:15:20.479 China joined forces with each other for the Moon exploration 1486 01:15:20.560 --> 01:15:23.520 and putting the Lunar space station up there and stuff 1487 01:15:23.560 --> 01:15:26.079 like that, and so he's pretty much using genesis as 1488 01:15:27.079 --> 01:15:30.239 keeping the environment safe moving forward and doing all this stuff, 1489 01:15:30.279 --> 01:15:34.680 also using it for wartime and creating like the ultimate defenses. 1490 01:15:35.680 --> 01:15:35.960 Right. 1491 01:15:36.680 --> 01:15:40.159 So, first and foremost, the one thing I'll say is 1492 01:15:40.800 --> 01:15:45.840 the United States fucked up when we constantly kept going 1493 01:15:45.920 --> 01:15:51.600 against Russia. Russia wanted to be allies at one point, yeah, 1494 01:15:51.640 --> 01:15:53.199 and we should have been period. 1495 01:15:53.680 --> 01:15:55.920 Well, when the Soviet Union fell, NATO should have gone 1496 01:15:55.920 --> 01:15:58.000 away too, because that was the entire purpose of it. 1497 01:15:58.840 --> 01:16:03.600 Right, And in fact, Russia actually even asked to become 1498 01:16:03.840 --> 01:16:08.159 a member of NATO after the Soviet Union collapsed several times, 1499 01:16:08.560 --> 01:16:12.800 and the United the US kept like basically spitting in 1500 01:16:12.840 --> 01:16:16.960 their face and just said yeah, right, whatever nerd shoving 1501 01:16:17.000 --> 01:16:20.000 them right back in a locker. Well, what that dida 1502 01:16:20.000 --> 01:16:22.479 has pushed them into the arms of China. So here 1503 01:16:22.520 --> 01:16:27.800 we are so as far as like Gemini, I mean, 1504 01:16:28.119 --> 01:16:32.439 so the idea really is is to start AI governance. Really, 1505 01:16:32.800 --> 01:16:36.119 it's supposed to get rid of the human intervention in 1506 01:16:36.159 --> 01:16:42.840 the first place, so basically skynet, you know, because what 1507 01:16:42.960 --> 01:16:46.119 they're going to start pushing is this idea that humans 1508 01:16:46.119 --> 01:16:46.840 are fallible. 1509 01:16:46.920 --> 01:16:53.960 AI is perfect. Well, no, it's not right exactly. And 1510 01:16:54.000 --> 01:16:54.399 then this. 1511 01:16:54.439 --> 01:16:57.600 Is why we see it in every aspect of our lives. 1512 01:16:57.960 --> 01:17:00.960 AI is everywhere ever risk that we use. 1513 01:17:01.159 --> 01:17:05.760 Albania has their Minister of Procurement is now an AI chatbot. 1514 01:17:06.279 --> 01:17:11.399 Right, which is insane to me. AI is not only hallucinating, 1515 01:17:11.520 --> 01:17:16.079 it's getting less accurate. And this includes the military versions. 1516 01:17:16.439 --> 01:17:19.479 So this isn't just what's available to us, but it 1517 01:17:19.520 --> 01:17:22.960 is hallucinating, it's getting less and less accurate. But here's 1518 01:17:22.960 --> 01:17:27.119 one of the biggest problems with all AI is that 1519 01:17:27.680 --> 01:17:33.279 AI has now started feeding itself for the learning. So 1520 01:17:33.359 --> 01:17:39.119 the learning, what what is being fed to AI to 1521 01:17:39.199 --> 01:17:43.920 learn off of was created by AI, So it's now 1522 01:17:43.960 --> 01:17:44.840 eating itself. 1523 01:17:45.640 --> 01:17:49.279 The Internet theory, right, so basically. 1524 01:17:49.720 --> 01:17:53.640 So it's like we're building this AI bubble, right, And 1525 01:17:53.880 --> 01:17:57.000 this is why I'm I'm scared of AI because I 1526 01:17:57.039 --> 01:18:00.760 think like we're gonna put so much into it that 1527 01:18:01.600 --> 01:18:03.399 so much is going to be reliant upon it, and 1528 01:18:03.439 --> 01:18:07.760 then when the bubble pops, everything goes, you know. So 1529 01:18:07.840 --> 01:18:10.319 I'm scared of it for that reason. I don't think 1530 01:18:11.640 --> 01:18:17.000 like it's it's still so stupid that I'm not worried 1531 01:18:17.000 --> 01:18:19.239 about it taking over on its own, you know, the 1532 01:18:19.520 --> 01:18:20.720 Singularity and stuff. 1533 01:18:21.199 --> 01:18:23.800 I think you're not fairy tale. No, I'm not. 1534 01:18:24.039 --> 01:18:26.279 Okay, break this down for us, because we just had 1535 01:18:26.279 --> 01:18:28.600 a guy on who says that is clearly right around 1536 01:18:28.600 --> 01:18:30.239 the corner. And I mean it depends on who you 1537 01:18:30.239 --> 01:18:33.279 talk to in the conspiracy community. So you're saying that 1538 01:18:33.319 --> 01:18:36.520 the Singularity is not going to go down, Explain. 1539 01:18:37.600 --> 01:18:40.880 Well, because for the very for the very simple fact 1540 01:18:40.880 --> 01:18:44.720 that humans created it, the Singularity is a very So 1541 01:18:45.279 --> 01:18:48.359 the Singularity would be like us recreating the Big Bang. 1542 01:18:49.760 --> 01:18:50.680 We can't do that. 1543 01:18:51.239 --> 01:18:54.960 No, but this is also essentially that, but on the internet, right. 1544 01:18:56.520 --> 01:19:03.239 It Yeah, essentially, But once AI starts feeding itself, which 1545 01:19:03.279 --> 01:19:05.560 is the problem because AI is only as good as 1546 01:19:05.600 --> 01:19:09.199 the information you give it, right, this is actually not 1547 01:19:09.520 --> 01:19:15.800 real intelligence. What this is it's basically a positive feedback loop. 1548 01:19:16.439 --> 01:19:18.720 So you don't believe the AI will ever become sentient. 1549 01:19:20.479 --> 01:19:22.800 I believe that it could be possible. 1550 01:19:23.000 --> 01:19:27.479 I think what's not being taken into account, at least 1551 01:19:28.239 --> 01:19:33.119 maybe right now, is that humans are still human. It's 1552 01:19:33.119 --> 01:19:36.039 not taking the human element into account because you got 1553 01:19:36.039 --> 01:19:39.960 to remember, the people creating this have these ideals, these 1554 01:19:40.079 --> 01:19:45.680 grandiose ideals of utopia and everything's perfect all the time. Also, 1555 01:19:46.000 --> 01:19:49.880 they're rushing, they're rushing right, everything's got to be done 1556 01:19:49.960 --> 01:19:54.239 right now. Nothing ever works out that way, It never does. 1557 01:19:55.119 --> 01:19:58.840 So do I think the singularity is possible in the 1558 01:19:58.880 --> 01:20:01.119 way that people are describing, Yeah, one hundred percent. 1559 01:20:01.159 --> 01:20:02.319 I think it's possible. 1560 01:20:02.760 --> 01:20:04.920 I don't think it's going to happen because, for one, 1561 01:20:05.039 --> 01:20:06.399 life just doesn't work out that way. 1562 01:20:06.479 --> 01:20:07.479 It just doesn't ever. 1563 01:20:08.920 --> 01:20:11.840 Second of all, because the problem is is that the 1564 01:20:11.880 --> 01:20:17.479 programs themselves are already eating themselves. So that's going to 1565 01:20:17.520 --> 01:20:20.199 break down the systems before we even get there. So 1566 01:20:21.039 --> 01:20:24.239 we saw this huge, great takeoff, right and now we're 1567 01:20:24.279 --> 01:20:28.119 starting to see the decline. Now, could it be fixed? 1568 01:20:28.359 --> 01:20:31.720 Could it be could it be set back on course. 1569 01:20:31.840 --> 01:20:34.520 I think it could, but I think human greed is 1570 01:20:34.560 --> 01:20:37.680 going to step in, and that's where we're at. We're 1571 01:20:37.680 --> 01:20:41.840 trying to like, like you mentioned earlier, all of these 1572 01:20:42.159 --> 01:20:46.359 countries are all trying to fight to get the top AI. Right, 1573 01:20:47.359 --> 01:20:48.359 what happens when we do? 1574 01:20:49.439 --> 01:20:49.560 Like? 1575 01:20:49.680 --> 01:20:52.079 What? What's it? What's I mean? 1576 01:20:52.479 --> 01:20:55.640 There's technically never going to be a top AI until 1577 01:20:55.720 --> 01:20:59.840 the singularity is reached. But I don't see that happening. 1578 01:20:59.720 --> 01:21:03.039 So allegedly, and now I'm not even saying that one 1579 01:21:03.079 --> 01:21:06.359 hundred percent believe that this is reality, but this is 1580 01:21:06.399 --> 01:21:10.800 the going narrative in the conspiracy world. Whichever country wins 1581 01:21:10.840 --> 01:21:13.279 the AI race will then be able to develop the 1582 01:21:13.399 --> 01:21:18.960 laws surrounding AI. Now I understand the talking point. I 1583 01:21:19.000 --> 01:21:21.520 don't think that's how it goes. That's like saying the 1584 01:21:21.560 --> 01:21:24.439 first person that or the first country that creates firearms 1585 01:21:24.479 --> 01:21:27.920 creates all firearm legislation. I don't think that's how that 1586 01:21:27.960 --> 01:21:31.720 actually works. But it's a fun theory because it's all 1587 01:21:31.720 --> 01:21:34.359 about the data collection right now, right and it's a 1588 01:21:34.359 --> 01:21:36.600 big race to collect all of the data, and whoever 1589 01:21:36.680 --> 01:21:40.880 collects the most data when we get to whatever arbitrary 1590 01:21:40.920 --> 01:21:43.920 finish line that the global leads decide is because like 1591 01:21:44.359 --> 01:21:48.640 the Space race quote unquote ended whenever Russia had won 1592 01:21:48.760 --> 01:21:52.000 every step of the race until we arbitrarily decided that 1593 01:21:52.039 --> 01:21:55.039 the moon was the finish line. That was never intended 1594 01:21:55.079 --> 01:21:57.800 to be the finish line. America just decided that the 1595 01:21:57.840 --> 01:21:59.800 first person gets to the moon wins. Ready to go. 1596 01:22:00.000 --> 01:22:02.000 It's like, wait, we've already beat you on the first 1597 01:22:02.000 --> 01:22:04.560 ten legs of this race, but all right, cool. I 1598 01:22:04.560 --> 01:22:06.520 think the AI race is going to be the same way. 1599 01:22:07.119 --> 01:22:10.319 Whenever they decide that X amount of data and I 1600 01:22:10.319 --> 01:22:12.079 don't even know, I don't even have a way to 1601 01:22:12.199 --> 01:22:14.560 quantify how much that's going to be when the time comes, 1602 01:22:14.640 --> 01:22:16.840 or what type of data whatever it you know, to vary. 1603 01:22:16.960 --> 01:22:20.600 It varies country to country, honestly, But whenever country a 1604 01:22:20.880 --> 01:22:25.079 versus country, b them versus us to whatever brand you 1605 01:22:25.159 --> 01:22:28.920 want to put on that gets the most data, or 1606 01:22:28.920 --> 01:22:31.560 whatever the case, they'll just decide it's over. But then 1607 01:22:31.640 --> 01:22:34.279 so what, especially when you look at how China has 1608 01:22:34.319 --> 01:22:38.039 been stealing every fucking thing that America has developed over 1609 01:22:38.079 --> 01:22:42.119 the last three decades, held the biggest that's the one 1610 01:22:42.399 --> 01:22:44.800 good thing that they really do, really, I mean the 1611 01:22:44.840 --> 01:22:48.680 whole what was it called the deep sea or deep 1612 01:22:48.720 --> 01:22:51.399 blue I forget what it was called, but basically the 1613 01:22:51.439 --> 01:22:54.880 little whale AI or whatever. Yeah, And it was at 1614 01:22:54.880 --> 01:22:58.399 that moment the best AI that America had. China came 1615 01:22:58.439 --> 01:23:00.359 in and stole it. And we know that because they 1616 01:23:00.479 --> 01:23:03.439 left the back door to their file open to where 1617 01:23:03.439 --> 01:23:06.279 we could see that. It was a scene. Right, They're 1618 01:23:06.279 --> 01:23:09.239 not they're really good at stealing. They're not like intellectually 1619 01:23:09.279 --> 01:23:11.960 that great, although they're the ones that are leading as 1620 01:23:11.960 --> 01:23:15.800 far as the fission conversation is concerned, right right, So, 1621 01:23:15.880 --> 01:23:17.720 I mean they got some, but as far as the 1622 01:23:18.159 --> 01:23:19.960 AI race is concerned. 1623 01:23:19.560 --> 01:23:22.279 Who knows, like where they got that information though, I 1624 01:23:22.279 --> 01:23:25.319 mean they invented gunpowder and what have they done since then? 1625 01:23:25.479 --> 01:23:29.920 You know, I mean we were all working together conversation. 1626 01:23:30.399 --> 01:23:33.800 I mean down at the South Pole. You know, who 1627 01:23:33.800 --> 01:23:36.239 knows what's going on down there? So it's like because 1628 01:23:36.239 --> 01:23:38.279 we all get along down there for some reason. 1629 01:23:38.359 --> 01:23:39.800 But I just. 1630 01:23:41.279 --> 01:23:43.800 It's funny you mentioned the space race, because that's what 1631 01:23:43.840 --> 01:23:47.439 I think this is because once again we view this 1632 01:23:47.760 --> 01:23:51.159 as if you know, behind the scenes, Russia, China, and 1633 01:23:51.199 --> 01:23:54.359 the United States are not all getting along because they're 1634 01:23:54.359 --> 01:23:55.319 all on the same team. 1635 01:23:56.159 --> 01:23:56.359 You know. 1636 01:23:57.920 --> 01:24:01.239 Do I think that there are barring factions publicly and 1637 01:24:01.319 --> 01:24:04.119 behind the scenes, Yeah, I do. Of course, not all 1638 01:24:04.159 --> 01:24:07.119 of these factions get along, right, especially all the time 1639 01:24:08.119 --> 01:24:13.000 people are always fighting for power and wealth and all 1640 01:24:13.039 --> 01:24:20.560 of these different things. Mainly power though, but ultimately, I mean, 1641 01:24:21.359 --> 01:24:26.359 I think that I think the singularity or the end 1642 01:24:26.560 --> 01:24:28.840 of the AI race is going to be like the 1643 01:24:28.840 --> 01:24:32.159 moon landing, just like you said, you know, I and 1644 01:24:33.560 --> 01:24:35.800 I don't know where you guys stand, but I am 1645 01:24:35.800 --> 01:24:39.920 wholeheartedly believed that that was just bullshit all the way through, 1646 01:24:40.560 --> 01:24:40.760 you know. 1647 01:24:41.479 --> 01:24:43.520 I Okay, So that being said, are you a flat earther? 1648 01:24:44.359 --> 01:24:44.520 No? 1649 01:24:44.680 --> 01:24:46.399 Okay? Did make it sure? Makeing sure? 1650 01:24:47.000 --> 01:24:50.520 Well, I'll even say this even if it is. 1651 01:24:50.680 --> 01:24:53.319 I just I don't really care, you know, It's just 1652 01:24:53.359 --> 01:24:54.039 one of these things. 1653 01:24:54.039 --> 01:24:57.720 I'm just like, you know, I care more about the 1654 01:24:57.720 --> 01:25:01.880 Satanic pedophiles running running my government than I do if 1655 01:25:01.920 --> 01:25:03.079 the Earth is flat or not. 1656 01:25:03.279 --> 01:25:03.760 It could be. 1657 01:25:04.319 --> 01:25:07.279 You know that The one thing I will give flat 1658 01:25:07.319 --> 01:25:15.399 earthers is that, you know, it's really compelling. It's not impossible, 1659 01:25:15.439 --> 01:25:21.560 I guess. But the one criticism I say is the uh, 1660 01:25:21.600 --> 01:25:24.520 just the maintenance bill on something like this would be 1661 01:25:25.840 --> 01:25:27.800 it would it would it would have to be like 1662 01:25:28.000 --> 01:25:33.520 such such a grand maintenance plan, and it would have 1663 01:25:33.600 --> 01:25:37.119 to be you know, technology, we have no no concept 1664 01:25:37.159 --> 01:25:38.920 of like all of these other things. 1665 01:25:38.920 --> 01:25:44.359 So no, I'm definitely not a flat earther. I like 1666 01:25:44.439 --> 01:25:45.439 to entertain the idea. 1667 01:25:45.479 --> 01:25:48.319 I think it's fun, but uh yeah, either way, I 1668 01:25:48.359 --> 01:25:49.119 just don't really care. 1669 01:25:49.359 --> 01:25:49.560 You know. 1670 01:25:50.000 --> 01:25:52.760 That's that's kind of where I where I've kind of landed. 1671 01:25:52.399 --> 01:25:57.279 With it, you see. Okay, okay, Now that led to 1672 01:25:57.279 --> 01:25:59.560 the next question I was gonna say. I believe the 1673 01:25:59.560 --> 01:26:02.439 first one was probably fake. I do believe we've been since, 1674 01:26:03.159 --> 01:26:06.319 but I also have no way to quantify that. You know, 1675 01:26:06.920 --> 01:26:08.760 which mission was the one who went to the Moon? 1676 01:26:09.079 --> 01:26:12.560 I don't know. I don't know, but I do believe that, Yeah, 1677 01:26:12.600 --> 01:26:15.119 the first one, it's very clear that was made in 1678 01:26:15.199 --> 01:26:19.720 a Hollywood studio. I'm comfortable with that. But now we 1679 01:26:19.760 --> 01:26:23.600 currently have three countries all seeing who can build a 1680 01:26:23.680 --> 01:26:29.960 lunar base power by nuclear energy. First, I don't believe 1681 01:26:29.960 --> 01:26:33.520 that that's for the for the for the lulls, right. 1682 01:26:33.560 --> 01:26:35.319 I don't believe all these countries are doing it just 1683 01:26:35.359 --> 01:26:37.720 to try to check each other, because they all know 1684 01:26:37.760 --> 01:26:39.640 it's fake, and they all know the Moon's not real, 1685 01:26:39.680 --> 01:26:41.520 so they're seeing who's going to call the bullshit on 1686 01:26:41.520 --> 01:26:44.159 each other first. There's too many trillions of dollars that 1687 01:26:44.199 --> 01:26:47.920 are being funneled into this shit, right yeah. 1688 01:26:47.560 --> 01:26:52.720 Right, yeah, No, I actually agree with that the moon 1689 01:26:52.840 --> 01:26:57.239 landing was fake. Yeah, like it was a great Hollywood production. 1690 01:26:57.920 --> 01:27:02.000 It totally you know, freaked a bunch of people out. 1691 01:27:02.079 --> 01:27:07.720 It totally you know, revved up the you know, nationalistic, 1692 01:27:07.800 --> 01:27:12.079 patriotic side of America, you know, and got a bunch 1693 01:27:12.119 --> 01:27:13.520 of kids interested in the. 1694 01:27:13.520 --> 01:27:14.960 Space program again. You know. 1695 01:27:15.159 --> 01:27:19.000 Yeah, that's that's kind of cool in that aspect, But 1696 01:27:19.079 --> 01:27:22.159 it was a propaganda machine because honestly, my opinion is 1697 01:27:22.159 --> 01:27:26.479 is that the Soviet Union won the space race with Sputnik. Yeah, 1698 01:27:26.720 --> 01:27:28.720 like that was it, you know. 1699 01:27:29.079 --> 01:27:32.199 But then they also kind of showed their incompetence with Theika, 1700 01:27:32.479 --> 01:27:34.920 the dog that they torched alive and shit, and it's 1701 01:27:34.960 --> 01:27:37.800 like there was a there was a missteps for sure, 1702 01:27:38.079 --> 01:27:40.319 oh yeah. But at the same time, yeah, as far 1703 01:27:40.359 --> 01:27:43.560 as who's putting something up there first, yeah, Russia definitely 1704 01:27:43.560 --> 01:27:44.640 beat us on that one. 1705 01:27:45.119 --> 01:27:48.239 Right right, well, and they were never going to win 1706 01:27:48.319 --> 01:27:50.920 in the long run anyways, right, because I mean just 1707 01:27:50.920 --> 01:27:56.000 just look at look at Chernobyl. In my opinion, the 1708 01:27:56.039 --> 01:28:00.399 reason the Soviet Union finally collapsed, right because there were 1709 01:28:00.399 --> 01:28:04.680 problems behind the scene. You can't hide the truth forever, right, 1710 01:28:04.760 --> 01:28:07.680 And that's another reason I also have hope in a 1711 01:28:07.680 --> 01:28:11.039 lot of this stuff is because the truth never stays buried. 1712 01:28:11.199 --> 01:28:14.079 Period. It might take one hundred years to come out, 1713 01:28:15.039 --> 01:28:17.760 but it won't stay buried forever. It just can't. 1714 01:28:17.920 --> 01:28:20.800 But in one hundred years, the narrative can change. That's 1715 01:28:20.840 --> 01:28:23.039 how they can change a narrative at any point one 1716 01:28:23.119 --> 01:28:25.600 hundred years and it can continuously change. I did have 1717 01:28:25.680 --> 01:28:29.000 a question though about MK ultra. Do you think that 1718 01:28:29.520 --> 01:28:33.800 the actual origins of it is a lot older than 1719 01:28:34.439 --> 01:28:37.000 just the fifties, because if you look at the propaganda 1720 01:28:37.079 --> 01:28:39.880 that was printed when the printing press came about, or 1721 01:28:40.119 --> 01:28:43.560 hearsay even throughout the Middle Ages and stuff, you'd have 1722 01:28:43.640 --> 01:28:47.279 people spread miss information. Do you think it started way 1723 01:28:47.279 --> 01:28:50.199 back when and then it was just more monopolized as 1724 01:28:50.239 --> 01:28:53.159 it became closer to an era where they had actual 1725 01:28:53.199 --> 01:28:55.439 scientific data proof that this would work. 1726 01:28:57.960 --> 01:28:58.680 Okay, So. 1727 01:29:01.079 --> 01:29:04.119 That's actually probably the best question I think I've ever 1728 01:29:04.159 --> 01:29:08.159 been asked regarding this. So it kind of depends on 1729 01:29:08.279 --> 01:29:13.079 exactly what you quantify as mkulture and like what what 1730 01:29:13.600 --> 01:29:18.000 like you determined that mkulture was and the purpose and 1731 01:29:18.079 --> 01:29:21.239 all of this stuff. So I guess without going into 1732 01:29:21.439 --> 01:29:24.239 like a huge, like academic lecture about. 1733 01:29:23.960 --> 01:29:27.399 This, you can totally get into an academic lecture. We're 1734 01:29:27.399 --> 01:29:28.399 here for it. 1735 01:29:28.960 --> 01:29:33.680 So, yes, I do believe that this goes way further back. Right, 1736 01:29:35.640 --> 01:29:39.199 What what I believe is that, uh, the elites of 1737 01:29:39.199 --> 01:29:44.199 this world, regardless of the generation of the year, whatever, 1738 01:29:45.439 --> 01:29:48.880 they raised their kids in a very particular way. Unlike 1739 01:29:49.199 --> 01:29:54.800 the average person. They raised their kids without empathy, you know, 1740 01:29:55.039 --> 01:29:59.159 not touching the kids when they were little babies, you know, 1741 01:29:59.239 --> 01:30:02.920 not giving them and just get too contact, locking them 1742 01:30:02.920 --> 01:30:08.680 in cages, treating them very cruelly. Right, there was a 1743 01:30:08.760 --> 01:30:14.880 very particular way that the elite raised their children without empathy, 1744 01:30:14.479 --> 01:30:20.800 without human emotion. Basically, why they do this, I don't know. 1745 01:30:20.840 --> 01:30:25.720 There's a lot of theory to that. But what I believe, well, 1746 01:30:27.399 --> 01:30:31.640 the CIA, I basically believe is the Rockefeller's personal army, 1747 01:30:34.159 --> 01:30:38.159 and it's basically been proven to be such. And so 1748 01:30:38.560 --> 01:30:41.439 what the CIA did when they started mk Ultra was 1749 01:30:41.479 --> 01:30:45.600 they took a lot of these traditions of these elite families, 1750 01:30:46.039 --> 01:30:49.840 and they actually put the science behind it. So they 1751 01:30:49.880 --> 01:30:52.760 took something that was a tradition, they knew these things. 1752 01:30:52.800 --> 01:30:55.039 It was kind of more witchcraft, it was kind of 1753 01:30:55.039 --> 01:30:59.279 more tradition. It was more of these things. And what 1754 01:30:59.720 --> 01:31:04.239 kure was, I believe, is taking these these traditions because 1755 01:31:04.279 --> 01:31:06.119 they knew it mind controlled people. 1756 01:31:06.640 --> 01:31:08.279 They knew it changed people. 1757 01:31:08.760 --> 01:31:13.800 They knew that alters existed, they knew that multiple personalities existed. 1758 01:31:15.159 --> 01:31:18.199 But then they finally put the science behind it, and 1759 01:31:18.319 --> 01:31:21.279 they finally got it on lock so that you could 1760 01:31:21.319 --> 01:31:24.039 put it in a book, right, or you could teach it. 1761 01:31:25.479 --> 01:31:30.199 And I believe that that's what mkulture was. But these ideas, 1762 01:31:30.239 --> 01:31:34.319 the very concept of controlling another human being through your 1763 01:31:34.399 --> 01:31:37.840 mind like a zombie, like a voodoo zombie, right, I mean, 1764 01:31:37.880 --> 01:31:41.560 these concepts go back thousands of years. So the idea 1765 01:31:41.600 --> 01:31:45.760 of mind control, it's not new at all, I believe. 1766 01:31:46.119 --> 01:31:50.359 So the techniques, the very specific techniques in which we 1767 01:31:50.520 --> 01:31:56.520 learned in MK Ultra, I believe are knew or newer. Okay, So, 1768 01:31:56.680 --> 01:32:01.159 but I do believe that the basis of what started 1769 01:32:01.319 --> 01:32:05.600 mk ultra has existed for hundreds, if not thousands of years. 1770 01:32:06.239 --> 01:32:10.000 Okay, I mean I agree with you. I could even 1771 01:32:10.159 --> 01:32:13.520 argue that like pharaohs for example. You know, if you 1772 01:32:14.039 --> 01:32:17.439 experiment with people and using fear tactics and things as such, 1773 01:32:17.840 --> 01:32:20.119 and you know that you can control the masses by 1774 01:32:20.159 --> 01:32:23.119 whatever you say or do or you take away certain aspects. 1775 01:32:23.479 --> 01:32:27.039 And then you add that to generations of wealth and 1776 01:32:27.479 --> 01:32:32.000 of the elites and manipulating politics, manipulating what people think. 1777 01:32:32.039 --> 01:32:35.119 I mean, the heretics, burning people at the stake, you 1778 01:32:35.239 --> 01:32:38.800 name it. Throughout time, they've done different things, and it's 1779 01:32:38.840 --> 01:32:43.399 all from word and predictive programming and watching how people react, 1780 01:32:43.600 --> 01:32:47.199 especially when they become in a sheep mindset where it's 1781 01:32:47.239 --> 01:32:50.239 easily swayed by everyone else around me is doing this, 1782 01:32:50.279 --> 01:32:52.720 so I must fit in. And then you add in 1783 01:32:52.760 --> 01:32:56.159 the science that we didn't have that was probably you know, 1784 01:32:56.239 --> 01:32:58.560 created that. I mean, it started in the eighteen hundreds 1785 01:32:58.560 --> 01:33:02.000 when they were really sixteen seventeen, eighteen hundreds, they were 1786 01:33:02.039 --> 01:33:05.000 really fascinated even more with how brains work and the 1787 01:33:05.399 --> 01:33:09.039 different say, you know, different mental health disorders and stuff 1788 01:33:09.079 --> 01:33:11.319 like that. And then you couple that in with everything 1789 01:33:11.319 --> 01:33:15.039 else moving forward and experimenting through all of that time 1790 01:33:15.079 --> 01:33:16.439 when there was no regulations. 1791 01:33:16.560 --> 01:33:18.000 Then get to the nineteen. 1792 01:33:17.720 --> 01:33:21.399 Hundreds when they're more regulations and things had to be 1793 01:33:21.399 --> 01:33:24.920 more strategic. And then now I think they just upgraded 1794 01:33:24.920 --> 01:33:28.840 it and made it faster. Instead of taking generations to 1795 01:33:29.199 --> 01:33:32.840 program people or using tactics that are now considered unethical, 1796 01:33:33.319 --> 01:33:35.479 then they just made it where it's more insidious, and 1797 01:33:35.520 --> 01:33:38.800 people are less likely to understand that they are being programmed, 1798 01:33:39.239 --> 01:33:41.760 and they aren't realizing that they're shoving this on their 1799 01:33:41.840 --> 01:33:44.399 children as well, and that they're eating it up day 1800 01:33:44.399 --> 01:33:47.720 in and day out, and so now it's become a 1801 01:33:47.800 --> 01:33:50.359 problem to where they don't even recognize that it's happening 1802 01:33:50.439 --> 01:33:50.760 to them. 1803 01:33:51.039 --> 01:33:53.760 Well, I mean even the term ethical has changed to 1804 01:33:54.039 --> 01:33:56.920 century to century and culture to culture. So I mean 1805 01:33:57.439 --> 01:34:01.960 whatever a leader feels is the quote unquote correct move 1806 01:34:02.119 --> 01:34:04.640 to do to his people as a way to get 1807 01:34:04.680 --> 01:34:07.199 them to respond, to react to a certain situation in 1808 01:34:07.239 --> 01:34:11.159 the right way. I mean, what's considered good has been 1809 01:34:11.199 --> 01:34:14.520 subjective over the centuries. I mean, the hell Rome was 1810 01:34:14.560 --> 01:34:17.399 all about the you know, you send the mob to 1811 01:34:17.479 --> 01:34:20.920 the forgiven bread and circus, and that's how you get 1812 01:34:20.920 --> 01:34:23.479 them to love you. Meanwhile, there were other leaders throughout 1813 01:34:23.560 --> 01:34:27.760 time that believed in submission by fear. Prussia right, Russia 1814 01:34:27.840 --> 01:34:30.720 is a great example of that. Hell the Impalers. There's 1815 01:34:31.039 --> 01:34:33.880 it depends on which section of time and to which 1816 01:34:34.000 --> 01:34:38.159 dynasty you're talking about. There's yeah, absolutely. 1817 01:34:37.640 --> 01:34:41.159 So I'm actually a flat supporter. I actually think he 1818 01:34:41.199 --> 01:34:44.079 gets a bad rap. But that's that's another discussion. 1819 01:34:44.359 --> 01:34:47.600 I'm not I'm not disagreeing with you. I do think 1820 01:34:47.600 --> 01:34:49.520 that the women and children should have and could have 1821 01:34:49.560 --> 01:34:52.800 been left out of it. However, he sent a message 1822 01:34:52.920 --> 01:34:54.079 and it was very effective. 1823 01:34:54.159 --> 01:34:56.520 Take that how you want it, right exactly. 1824 01:34:57.600 --> 01:35:02.319 So to add on to your point, I actually so 1825 01:35:03.159 --> 01:35:06.920 I kind of get some pushback on this opinion. My 1826 01:35:07.039 --> 01:35:11.399 personal opinion is is that mk Ultra actually did end 1827 01:35:11.720 --> 01:35:15.119 in seventy three or seventy four, depending on who you 1828 01:35:15.159 --> 01:35:19.800 talk to who you ask, because mk Ultra, in my opinion, 1829 01:35:19.880 --> 01:35:23.119 was the research and development side of things. 1830 01:35:23.800 --> 01:35:24.520 They went live. 1831 01:35:25.079 --> 01:35:27.279 They took everything that they learned and they went live 1832 01:35:27.319 --> 01:35:31.119 with it, so they didn't need to research and develop anymore. 1833 01:35:31.760 --> 01:35:34.439 And they still do a little bit, but it's it's 1834 01:35:34.479 --> 01:35:38.319 fine tuning, right, It's not the main core of the 1835 01:35:38.359 --> 01:35:42.079 whole research and development. So I believe MK ultra did 1836 01:35:42.279 --> 01:35:44.680 end in the early seventies when they say it did, 1837 01:35:44.960 --> 01:35:47.760 because it did. MK ultra was kind of an umbrella 1838 01:35:47.880 --> 01:35:53.600 program or an umbrella name for you know, at least 1839 01:35:54.399 --> 01:35:57.199 what we officially know, as you know, one hundred and 1840 01:35:57.279 --> 01:36:03.199 forty nine subprojects. There were very clearly more with MK Naomi, 1841 01:36:04.079 --> 01:36:07.800 MK Search, MK often, chick Wit, you know, all of 1842 01:36:07.840 --> 01:36:12.039 these other things. So I kind of just use MK 1843 01:36:12.199 --> 01:36:14.800 ultra though, as just like an all encompassing term for 1844 01:36:14.920 --> 01:36:15.319 all of it. 1845 01:36:15.399 --> 01:36:18.560 Though most people don't know about these other operations, but they, 1846 01:36:18.680 --> 01:36:20.800 like you said, we're all under MK culture, So it's 1847 01:36:21.199 --> 01:36:23.079 it is the overarching term for. 1848 01:36:23.039 --> 01:36:26.199 Sure, right well, and then then you've got co intel Pro, 1849 01:36:26.319 --> 01:36:29.399 you've got Chaos, You've got you know, all of these 1850 01:36:29.439 --> 01:36:32.520 other programs. And that's just what we know of, you know, 1851 01:36:32.680 --> 01:36:35.640 and it's so out of what we know, there's probably 1852 01:36:35.680 --> 01:36:39.439 two thirds of what we don't know. And that's just 1853 01:36:39.520 --> 01:36:42.479 kind of my guess, just based on my personal opinion 1854 01:36:42.640 --> 01:36:46.520 from what I know about how these people operate. But 1855 01:36:48.039 --> 01:36:52.439 I believe the research and development did end, at least 1856 01:36:52.840 --> 01:36:56.199 for a lot of stuff. I do believe that research 1857 01:36:56.399 --> 01:37:02.359 and development continued for today's technology stuff later on, but 1858 01:37:02.399 --> 01:37:06.439 it was nowhere nearest structured as mk ultra. It happened 1859 01:37:06.479 --> 01:37:09.800 on a much smaller scale, and it happened way more. 1860 01:37:10.159 --> 01:37:13.159 It was way more decentralized than mk ultra. 1861 01:37:13.239 --> 01:37:13.600 It was. 1862 01:37:14.079 --> 01:37:17.159 They were not going to make that mistake again because 1863 01:37:17.159 --> 01:37:19.520 that was a mistake on their part. It's everything being 1864 01:37:19.560 --> 01:37:23.239 so structured and rigid, and because I don't. 1865 01:37:23.079 --> 01:37:25.680 Think that this was supposed to be exposed at all. 1866 01:37:25.760 --> 01:37:29.520 Ever, if it was up to you know, people like 1867 01:37:29.520 --> 01:37:35.279 William Colby, Richard Helms, who was the one who gave 1868 01:37:35.359 --> 01:37:38.199 the orders to actually destroy everything, although I do think 1869 01:37:38.279 --> 01:37:44.319 Alan Doles was probably the driving force behind that, even 1870 01:37:44.359 --> 01:37:46.079 though you know all of these if it was up 1871 01:37:46.119 --> 01:37:46.640 to them. 1872 01:37:46.720 --> 01:37:48.199 We would have never known a period. 1873 01:37:48.560 --> 01:37:51.279 And it was a complete fluke that those financial records 1874 01:37:51.279 --> 01:37:55.119 were kept around because who actually would have thought of 1875 01:37:55.119 --> 01:37:57.960 those because I'm sure they were shitting their pants, like shit, 1876 01:37:58.119 --> 01:37:59.600 how are we gonna do this? 1877 01:37:59.800 --> 01:38:00.000 Right? 1878 01:38:00.800 --> 01:38:03.760 But they gave us just enough with the Church Committee 1879 01:38:03.760 --> 01:38:06.840 hearings to say yeah, we were doing this. But then 1880 01:38:07.039 --> 01:38:11.159 the narrative is that it all failed, right, it didn't work. 1881 01:38:11.399 --> 01:38:14.880 We spent twenty years, you know, hundreds of millions of 1882 01:38:14.920 --> 01:38:18.399 dollars of taxpayer dollars. We'd lied to you about everything, 1883 01:38:18.920 --> 01:38:21.560 but we gave it up because it didn't work. But 1884 01:38:21.640 --> 01:38:25.039 at the very same time, in the very same time frame, 1885 01:38:26.000 --> 01:38:30.640 we're also expected to believe that Charles Manson, a man 1886 01:38:31.079 --> 01:38:37.000 who is a junior high dropout, a petty criminal, not 1887 01:38:38.079 --> 01:38:41.199 a dumb man, but not a genius by any means, 1888 01:38:41.600 --> 01:38:44.840 not even a higher end IQ person I would imagine, 1889 01:38:45.239 --> 01:38:50.079 probably on the lower end of average. We're expected to 1890 01:38:50.079 --> 01:38:54.239 believe that he, by himself was able to figure out 1891 01:38:54.239 --> 01:38:57.479 what the CIA didn't, and he was able to brainwash 1892 01:38:57.560 --> 01:39:01.800 people in this little cult and commit these two murders 1893 01:39:01.920 --> 01:39:05.079 to start a race war like we're expected to believe 1894 01:39:05.159 --> 01:39:09.880 that that happened. But yet twenty years of intentional mind 1895 01:39:09.920 --> 01:39:13.079 control research and hundreds of millions of dollars later, and 1896 01:39:13.159 --> 01:39:19.199 the CIA couldn't. No, I ain't buying it. I ain't 1897 01:39:19.239 --> 01:39:19.760 buying it. 1898 01:39:20.359 --> 01:39:24.479 So do you believe that Charles Manson, and I'm just 1899 01:39:24.479 --> 01:39:28.760 gonna use him as the let's just say the prelude 1900 01:39:28.760 --> 01:39:30.760 for everything else. But do you think that he tied 1901 01:39:30.800 --> 01:39:33.560 into what would later become the Satanic panic or do 1902 01:39:33.600 --> 01:39:35.159 you think that he was more of a footnote. 1903 01:39:36.000 --> 01:39:39.600 Oh yeah, no, I believe he's what really started it. Okay, 1904 01:39:40.560 --> 01:39:45.319 so specifically not just Charles Manson, but the Manson killings, 1905 01:39:45.319 --> 01:39:48.880 specifically the Take killings. 1906 01:39:49.199 --> 01:39:49.720 Yeah. 1907 01:39:49.960 --> 01:39:53.800 So the murder of Sharon Tate and everyone else that 1908 01:39:53.920 --> 01:39:59.239 was there that night, Abigail Folger and everyone else. I 1909 01:39:59.279 --> 01:40:03.760 think that the start of what we now know as 1910 01:40:03.800 --> 01:40:07.880 the Satanic Panic. I think there were things like prequels 1911 01:40:07.920 --> 01:40:10.479 to that. You know, you had, like ed Geen right, 1912 01:40:10.680 --> 01:40:14.399 you had you had earlier cases. You had the murders 1913 01:40:14.479 --> 01:40:20.000 in Texarcana which ended up being turned into that film, 1914 01:40:20.000 --> 01:40:23.439 the sound that or the town that Dreaded Sundown, So 1915 01:40:23.760 --> 01:40:28.399 like you had things that led up to it, but 1916 01:40:28.760 --> 01:40:32.520 nothing like Manson had happened before that. It was the 1917 01:40:32.560 --> 01:40:39.159 first nationally broadcasted court case like that, And up to 1918 01:40:39.239 --> 01:40:43.399 that point we had never like the idea of brainwashing 1919 01:40:43.640 --> 01:40:47.560 and mind control was out into the ether, right, it 1920 01:40:47.640 --> 01:40:52.640 was out out into the social consciousness, but it was 1921 01:40:52.680 --> 01:40:56.760 more onlike a military aspect, right, like movies like The 1922 01:40:56.760 --> 01:41:00.640 Man Cheerian Candidate, right, And so the idea was out 1923 01:41:00.640 --> 01:41:02.960 and there was a fear of it. You know, this 1924 01:41:03.159 --> 01:41:07.199 was largely the excuse for MK ultra being started to 1925 01:41:07.239 --> 01:41:13.800 begin with, was that our communist counterparts were able to 1926 01:41:13.880 --> 01:41:17.520 brainwash our soldiers, and so we've got to learn how 1927 01:41:17.520 --> 01:41:21.920 to fight back. But there was never there was never 1928 01:41:22.000 --> 01:41:28.560 the idea socially that just one of us, just any 1929 01:41:28.600 --> 01:41:30.239 one of us, could be able to do the same 1930 01:41:30.279 --> 01:41:35.960 things that we the people. The individual person is the monster, 1931 01:41:36.760 --> 01:41:40.279 not Dracula, not Frankenstein. Right, And this is why we 1932 01:41:40.319 --> 01:41:43.319 also see horror movies change at this time period. Right, 1933 01:41:43.840 --> 01:41:47.199 we see Alfred Hitchcock do Psycho, which was a massive 1934 01:41:47.319 --> 01:41:51.640 change because before that it was movies like Frankenstein, Dracula, 1935 01:41:51.680 --> 01:41:55.800 it was the classic monsters, right, great movies. Psycho, great movie, 1936 01:41:56.079 --> 01:42:01.199 but that changed it from the monster under the bed 1937 01:42:01.520 --> 01:42:04.640 to the Scooby Doo trope of the humans are the 1938 01:42:04.640 --> 01:42:05.439 real monsters. 1939 01:42:05.840 --> 01:42:06.039 Right. 1940 01:42:06.359 --> 01:42:07.399 Yeah. 1941 01:42:07.720 --> 01:42:10.520 I think that's what Manson did with True Crime, That's 1942 01:42:10.520 --> 01:42:15.640 what Manson did with mind control, with drug use, with 1943 01:42:15.640 --> 01:42:18.680 with almost everything. They were able to spin that and 1944 01:42:18.760 --> 01:42:22.159 be able to pump pump the fear into the American people. 1945 01:42:23.319 --> 01:42:26.560 Hitchhiking was demonized, which you know, probably not a good 1946 01:42:26.600 --> 01:42:28.439 idea to do that anyways, but they were able to 1947 01:42:28.479 --> 01:42:31.359 just pump this fear and that was the whole idea. 1948 01:42:31.479 --> 01:42:34.199 That's the whole idea of the satanic panic. That's the 1949 01:42:34.239 --> 01:42:37.720 whole idea in my mind of serial killers to begin with, 1950 01:42:38.119 --> 01:42:41.920 I think largely serial killers are created, not born. 1951 01:42:42.239 --> 01:42:45.439 And oh god, especially these days with that Ted Bundy 1952 01:42:45.520 --> 01:42:48.399 documentary and all of these women, and I forget what 1953 01:42:48.520 --> 01:42:51.079 comedians said this, but I stand by it. He was 1954 01:42:51.159 --> 01:42:55.399 so good looking, he was so enigmatic. He he wasn't 1955 01:42:55.439 --> 01:42:57.880 that good looking of a dude. Like, if you're looking 1956 01:42:57.920 --> 01:43:01.399 at a lineup of serial killers, sure he was a 1957 01:43:01.479 --> 01:43:04.359 dime piece, but like on the run of the mill. 1958 01:43:04.439 --> 01:43:08.520 As far as the American male, his concern average average, 1959 01:43:08.840 --> 01:43:11.760 he's not gonna whatsoever. I'll put him a little a 1960 01:43:11.880 --> 01:43:14.600 little more on the good looking than if we're talking 1961 01:43:14.680 --> 01:43:17.119 the spectrum of zero to ten here, I'll put him 1962 01:43:17.119 --> 01:43:19.520 out a solid five point five, Like this is not 1963 01:43:21.119 --> 01:43:24.399 all of these women he was so good looking, No, 1964 01:43:24.560 --> 01:43:27.319 the fuck he wasn't. But y'all glorified him to such 1965 01:43:27.319 --> 01:43:30.319 a level and made these documentaries about him, making him 1966 01:43:30.319 --> 01:43:33.920 look so amazing that now we have more serial killers 1967 01:43:33.960 --> 01:43:36.319 on the loose than ever before throughout human history. And 1968 01:43:36.319 --> 01:43:38.880 it's like, no, you fuckers did this one. 1969 01:43:40.079 --> 01:43:41.960 I don't under seeing the fascination with it. 1970 01:43:42.119 --> 01:43:45.920 I don't either. You know, serial killers in general, like 1971 01:43:45.960 --> 01:43:49.399 the people that look into them for the psychological like 1972 01:43:49.479 --> 01:43:52.479 what turned them this way? The making of a killer 1973 01:43:52.560 --> 01:43:55.359 kind of thing. What was their upbringing, like how were 1974 01:43:55.399 --> 01:43:57.920 their parents to them? Like, Okay, I could understand that 1975 01:43:58.600 --> 01:44:03.199 there is way too many documentaries and podcasts specifically about 1976 01:44:03.239 --> 01:44:06.000 serial killers where it's like, no, y'all get off to 1977 01:44:06.079 --> 01:44:08.199 this shit. It's not because you're looking into it for 1978 01:44:08.319 --> 01:44:12.000 the intellectual conversation. This is like a weird fetish to you, Fox, 1979 01:44:12.079 --> 01:44:13.520 I'm convinced of it. 1980 01:44:13.520 --> 01:44:15.039 It kind of is is. 1981 01:44:15.520 --> 01:44:17.680 I don't get down with them. And there's so many 1982 01:44:17.680 --> 01:44:19.720 people that go to bed to true crimes playing in 1983 01:44:19.760 --> 01:44:22.880 their headphones. When we came upon the murder scene, her 1984 01:44:22.920 --> 01:44:25.199 skull was bashed open, they're like, ooh, time to go 1985 01:44:25.239 --> 01:44:27.359 to sleep. Something's fucking wrong with you. 1986 01:44:27.399 --> 01:44:32.479 Bro right right, yeah, And I you know part of that. 1987 01:44:32.840 --> 01:44:36.359 I think you know all ties into this though you 1988 01:44:36.399 --> 01:44:41.199 know it's it is. It's the constant reminder because true 1989 01:44:41.239 --> 01:44:46.680 crime is the number one podcast genre, It is the 1990 01:44:47.279 --> 01:44:51.039 number one like type of entertainment in America today. 1991 01:44:51.279 --> 01:44:53.720 Exhibit A and I. 1992 01:44:53.640 --> 01:44:57.640 Think what it is is it's partially mind control. Right, 1993 01:44:58.079 --> 01:45:00.920 It's it's done to push out the fear. It's done 1994 01:45:01.000 --> 01:45:04.920 to make us fear each other. It's it's done to 1995 01:45:05.000 --> 01:45:06.239 keep this at the forefront. 1996 01:45:06.359 --> 01:45:06.640 Right. 1997 01:45:06.680 --> 01:45:10.359 So they don't really need the serial killer anymore, right, 1998 01:45:11.079 --> 01:45:14.079 not in the way, not in the like they did 1999 01:45:14.119 --> 01:45:17.560 in the golden era of serial killers. Right, Like we 2000 01:45:17.640 --> 01:45:21.279 don't have the Dahmers, the Rimirez, the Bundies, Like we 2001 01:45:21.279 --> 01:45:24.479 don't have these guys making the nightly news because they 2002 01:45:24.479 --> 01:45:27.720 don't need them anymore. Right, we had the Golden era, 2003 01:45:28.159 --> 01:45:30.439 so we have all these people to compare to. So 2004 01:45:31.199 --> 01:45:35.600 but on top of that, they've also swapped out the 2005 01:45:35.680 --> 01:45:39.279 serial killer for another fear, and that's. 2006 01:45:39.079 --> 01:45:39.760 The school shooter. 2007 01:45:40.159 --> 01:45:40.479 Yeah. 2008 01:45:41.600 --> 01:45:46.560 So MK Ultra, in my opinion, went underground in the seventies. 2009 01:45:46.680 --> 01:45:49.000 It turned into the colts, right, which is why we 2010 01:45:49.039 --> 01:45:52.079 see this huge explosion in colts in the seventies and 2011 01:45:52.119 --> 01:45:57.000 eighties and even into the nineties with like Heaven's Gate. Largely, 2012 01:45:57.039 --> 01:46:01.680 I believe like Jonestown was a MK Ultra dry run 2013 01:46:01.960 --> 01:46:09.319 basically is what it was. And also I'm totally McGowan 2014 01:46:09.399 --> 01:46:13.000 pilled as far as you know, Dave McGowan programmed to kill. 2015 01:46:13.119 --> 01:46:14.840 You know, I'm totally PTK killed. 2016 01:46:16.000 --> 01:46:18.960 I believe largely, you know, at least eighty percent of 2017 01:46:19.000 --> 01:46:24.279 serial killers have some military background, and I don't believe 2018 01:46:24.279 --> 01:46:27.880 that that's on accident. I believe that's entirely on purpose. 2019 01:46:27.920 --> 01:46:31.760 So I believe largely these people are programmed and created. 2020 01:46:32.800 --> 01:46:35.720 Which just sucks because all of them, by the accounts 2021 01:46:35.760 --> 01:46:40.479 of their coworkers, when they were in the military, they 2022 01:46:40.479 --> 01:46:43.560 were always like shit bag soldiers or whatever, which sucks 2023 01:46:43.560 --> 01:46:46.319 because Ravenlee, you and I were both shitbag marines, so 2024 01:46:46.479 --> 01:46:49.159 like that's that's probably not a good look, you know, 2025 01:46:49.479 --> 01:46:53.439 but yeah, like none of them fantastic as your job, 2026 01:46:53.600 --> 01:47:00.479 not at being a marine. Look, I'm game recognized, game. Okay. 2027 01:47:00.520 --> 01:47:03.920 All I'm saying is all of these serial killers who 2028 01:47:04.039 --> 01:47:06.239 served in the military in some way, shape or form, 2029 01:47:07.039 --> 01:47:09.680 they weren't like really good at being in the military, 2030 01:47:09.720 --> 01:47:11.439 and there's a reason why they didn't make a career 2031 01:47:11.479 --> 01:47:15.039 out of it, right, Like it's it's never like the 2032 01:47:15.079 --> 01:47:17.239 one who's the top dog of their platoon or of 2033 01:47:17.279 --> 01:47:19.399 their company or whatever the case, and they were like, oh, 2034 01:47:19.439 --> 01:47:20.279 they usually. 2035 01:47:19.960 --> 01:47:23.199 Get kicked out right or they get dropped for like 2036 01:47:23.479 --> 01:47:27.359 a medical reason, or they only sign up for four years, 2037 01:47:27.640 --> 01:47:31.720 you know, or like I mean Jeffrey Dahmer, he got 2038 01:47:31.800 --> 01:47:35.880 kicked out for drinking, you know, which is fascinating, right, 2039 01:47:36.039 --> 01:47:38.000 But he was able to go in and get the 2040 01:47:38.479 --> 01:47:42.600 medical training, which he was fascinated with, which is weird, right. 2041 01:47:43.119 --> 01:47:45.640 So he goes to West Germany, goes and gets trained 2042 01:47:45.640 --> 01:47:47.760 as a medic and then gets kicked out for drinking. 2043 01:47:48.279 --> 01:47:51.039 There you go, he has all everything that he needs, 2044 01:47:51.319 --> 01:47:51.520 you know. 2045 01:47:51.560 --> 01:47:53.640 It's like, it's very strange and someone's kick out of 2046 01:47:53.640 --> 01:47:57.159 the military for alcohol because it's so forced upon you 2047 01:47:57.279 --> 01:48:00.920 in so many situations, and it's like the way it goes, 2048 01:48:01.520 --> 01:48:03.960 and then out of nowhere, they're like, Okay, now it's 2049 01:48:04.000 --> 01:48:06.760 a problem. And it's like, dude, I have met way 2050 01:48:06.760 --> 01:48:09.760 too many first sergeants and way too many Majors that 2051 01:48:09.960 --> 01:48:13.880 are drunk at work twenty four to seven. It's it's 2052 01:48:13.920 --> 01:48:16.000 not about it being a problem, it's about whose boy 2053 01:48:16.079 --> 01:48:18.239 you are. To be completely honest with you, but I mean, 2054 01:48:18.279 --> 01:48:21.720 I guess that's whatever job you find yourself is what 2055 01:48:21.760 --> 01:48:21.960 it is. 2056 01:48:23.159 --> 01:48:27.359 Yeah, But yeah, I really do think like all of 2057 01:48:27.399 --> 01:48:34.319 this is it's all tied because fear fear is the 2058 01:48:35.000 --> 01:48:37.600 big cornerstone to all of this because if I mean, 2059 01:48:37.600 --> 01:48:39.800 if you just look at our culture, that's all it is, right, 2060 01:48:39.840 --> 01:48:42.560 that's all the news is. This is fear, fear, fear. 2061 01:48:42.600 --> 01:48:48.279 That's all politics is fear, fear fear. And the most 2062 01:48:48.600 --> 01:48:53.760 basic form of mind control is repetition, period, and that's 2063 01:48:53.760 --> 01:48:55.960 what it is. And that's kind of why I think 2064 01:48:56.039 --> 01:49:00.880 like our culture is stagnant because the mind control is 2065 01:49:00.920 --> 01:49:02.880 such a big part of it and its repetition. 2066 01:49:03.239 --> 01:49:03.479 Right. 2067 01:49:03.880 --> 01:49:07.640 So true crime that's why it's the number one, the 2068 01:49:07.720 --> 01:49:12.319 number one subject of podcasts and television shows. It's not 2069 01:49:12.479 --> 01:49:16.079 because people like documentaries. It's not they like the true crime, 2070 01:49:16.319 --> 01:49:20.159 not the documentary part. I'm an old school documentary nerd. 2071 01:49:20.359 --> 01:49:20.560 You know. 2072 01:49:21.239 --> 01:49:24.560 I watched documentaries about everything, you know, not just true crime. 2073 01:49:24.720 --> 01:49:28.960 I like historical documentaries. That's my big thing. Historical documentaries 2074 01:49:29.079 --> 01:49:32.520 or battlefield drawing out and how did the Siege of 2075 01:49:32.640 --> 01:49:35.119 Java take place? Like, bro, find me a three hour 2076 01:49:35.199 --> 01:49:37.479 documentary about that, I will be so happy. 2077 01:49:37.920 --> 01:49:42.199 But my favorite was World War Two in HD and 2078 01:49:42.399 --> 01:49:46.239 Vietnam in HD. Dude, those were amazing when they came out. 2079 01:49:47.560 --> 01:49:51.319 Whoa YEA love that seeing that, seeing all of it 2080 01:49:51.359 --> 01:49:52.640 in color for the first time. 2081 01:49:53.000 --> 01:49:55.920 Blew my mind. You know, it was wild. 2082 01:49:57.399 --> 01:49:59.119 I have to be the odd one. Yeah, it's not 2083 01:49:59.199 --> 01:50:00.119 my jam. 2084 01:50:00.520 --> 01:50:03.159 I mean you like watching your own version of documentaries 2085 01:50:03.159 --> 01:50:06.680 though not really, No, what do you mean. 2086 01:50:07.920 --> 01:50:12.560 I've never been a big doc person. Actually, I don't 2087 01:50:12.720 --> 01:50:14.239 just like sit out of my like go out of 2088 01:50:14.239 --> 01:50:17.159 my way and watch docs. I never have I probably 2089 01:50:17.159 --> 01:50:20.720 never will. That's why I actually don't like most podcasts eithers. 2090 01:50:21.239 --> 01:50:24.000 I just I don't like that I listen to people talk. 2091 01:50:24.399 --> 01:50:27.279 I know it's ironic, but I don't. I Actually I 2092 01:50:27.359 --> 01:50:32.279 would rather read things. So I'm a big reader. So yeah, 2093 01:50:32.399 --> 01:50:35.319 I mean, this is just one bookshelf here in three 2094 01:50:35.439 --> 01:50:38.159 in this room, so, and it's top to bottom full. 2095 01:50:38.279 --> 01:50:40.800 So I like to read. That's what I've always liked. 2096 01:50:40.800 --> 01:50:44.119 I'd rather read it, even though I learned better audio wise, 2097 01:50:44.560 --> 01:50:47.600 Like if I can't understand what I'm reading, I will 2098 01:50:48.119 --> 01:50:48.840 listen to it. 2099 01:50:48.920 --> 01:50:51.560 But for the most part, I don't. I don't like 2100 01:50:51.600 --> 01:50:52.920 to watch docs. 2101 01:50:52.960 --> 01:50:55.960 I do enjoy if I was to watch things, but 2102 01:50:56.039 --> 01:50:58.039 I like movies. That's what I was kind of raised on, 2103 01:50:58.119 --> 01:51:01.079 but it's I don't want to really want watch those anymore. 2104 01:51:01.079 --> 01:51:01.359 Either. 2105 01:51:01.560 --> 01:51:04.039 So that's I know, it's like a weird thing. Most 2106 01:51:04.079 --> 01:51:06.840 people are all about dogs, and I'm like, I mean, 2107 01:51:06.840 --> 01:51:08.640 if I have to, I guess I'll watch one. 2108 01:51:09.239 --> 01:51:12.000 My favorite pastime at this point is to sit and 2109 01:51:12.039 --> 01:51:14.720 watch a documentary and yell at the screen correcting it. 2110 01:51:16.600 --> 01:51:18.960 Okay, but you're also pretty avid reader based on the 2111 01:51:18.960 --> 01:51:21.279 stack behind you, So what's your genre of choice? 2112 01:51:22.840 --> 01:51:26.920 Any any? Actually, so, I don't read a whole lot 2113 01:51:26.920 --> 01:51:29.640 of fiction. I'm not. I'm not big on that. 2114 01:51:29.720 --> 01:51:34.720 I read mainly nonfiction history books. 2115 01:51:34.920 --> 01:51:35.119 Right. 2116 01:51:36.199 --> 01:51:40.960 If I do pick up fiction, I'm going to read 2117 01:51:41.000 --> 01:51:42.159 Dean Coon's. 2118 01:51:42.640 --> 01:51:44.600 I know the name, give me a give me a book. 2119 01:51:44.600 --> 01:51:45.520 He's written. 2120 01:51:46.800 --> 01:51:54.199 Phantoms. They turned it into into a movie with Matt Damon. 2121 01:51:54.720 --> 01:52:02.039 I think, Sorry American, I can't like not not say 2122 01:52:02.119 --> 01:52:05.159 I loved him. 2123 01:52:05.840 --> 01:52:08.159 Who's Matt Damon's friend he's always hanging out with. 2124 01:52:08.439 --> 01:52:09.239 Oh Ben Affleck. 2125 01:52:09.800 --> 01:52:14.319 Yes, Ben Affleck was in the movie Phantoms. There's another 2126 01:52:14.520 --> 01:52:20.039 book by Dean Koons. It's called Midnight. He's he's like 2127 01:52:20.079 --> 01:52:20.760 Stephen King. 2128 01:52:20.840 --> 01:52:23.840 But good ah, that's fair. Yeah. 2129 01:52:23.880 --> 01:52:26.079 Yeah, I'm not a huge fan of Stephen King. I 2130 01:52:26.119 --> 01:52:29.479 know so many people that geek out over him and 2131 01:52:29.520 --> 01:52:29.840 it's like. 2132 01:52:30.039 --> 01:52:33.359 Dude, I actually don't really care for his writing very much. 2133 01:52:33.600 --> 01:52:36.199 It's I don't actually like to read it. 2134 01:52:36.199 --> 01:52:37.039 It's trash. 2135 01:52:37.119 --> 01:52:39.479 Yeah, it's not one of my it's not one of 2136 01:52:39.479 --> 01:52:42.359 my favorite people to read. Uh, I'm gonna be honest 2137 01:52:42.439 --> 01:52:42.800 with you. 2138 01:52:43.119 --> 01:52:45.359 There's a lot other there's a lot more people that 2139 01:52:45.359 --> 01:52:46.079 I'd like to read. 2140 01:52:46.199 --> 01:52:47.199 That, be honest. 2141 01:52:47.239 --> 01:52:49.399 The only things that I've ever read from him that 2142 01:52:49.439 --> 01:52:52.640 I like was when he was high on cocaine. Yeahs, 2143 01:52:53.039 --> 01:52:56.640 back in the seventies, like misery. Uh, the Shining was 2144 01:52:56.680 --> 01:52:59.720 trash because it's Kubrick's for a film now. Yeah, it's 2145 01:52:59.800 --> 01:53:05.239 not Stephen King's, it's Kubrick's now, but Dean Koon's. He 2146 01:53:05.239 --> 01:53:08.800 he writes in a way that's like scary, you know, 2147 01:53:09.039 --> 01:53:13.640 that's like things that are possible, And there's there's a 2148 01:53:13.680 --> 01:53:19.159 lot of things that are like insanely creepy possible, right 2149 01:53:19.960 --> 01:53:25.920 like based on clandestine operations or things that have already 2150 01:53:25.920 --> 01:53:32.199 happened before. So they're like there's uh, definitely, Uh, if 2151 01:53:32.199 --> 01:53:34.840 you pick up Dean Koon's pick up phantoms, that's that's 2152 01:53:34.880 --> 01:53:39.880 just a good place to start. But so as of late, 2153 01:53:41.359 --> 01:53:43.840 I mean most of the stuff I read about like 2154 01:53:43.960 --> 01:53:50.920 right now, false Memory syndrome Foundation, false Memories. I have 2155 01:53:50.960 --> 01:53:51.760 the Chicken Hawk. 2156 01:53:52.279 --> 01:53:56.960 You know, we have a we have a book club now, 2157 01:53:57.079 --> 01:54:01.600 so we're actually starting this book, How Jesus Became God 2158 01:54:01.800 --> 01:54:02.439 is what we pick. 2159 01:54:02.520 --> 01:54:04.920 So we have a whole we have a whole box 2160 01:54:05.079 --> 01:54:07.520 full of books. Actually I'm missing I got a whole 2161 01:54:07.560 --> 01:54:10.159 bunch more. So we pulled this one. So this is 2162 01:54:10.199 --> 01:54:12.279 our new book that we're going to be reading starting 2163 01:54:12.279 --> 01:54:13.079 February first. 2164 01:54:13.159 --> 01:54:14.640 So we have quite a few of us that are. 2165 01:54:14.520 --> 01:54:17.720 Going to be dissecting whatever book that we end up 2166 01:54:17.720 --> 01:54:18.239 picking up. 2167 01:54:18.359 --> 01:54:20.600 So you know, it actually as as good a time 2168 01:54:20.640 --> 01:54:23.199 as any to go ahead and shameless plug good cult members. 2169 01:54:23.199 --> 01:54:24.720 If you want to be a part of that book club, 2170 01:54:24.800 --> 01:54:26.359 the only place you could do that is to go 2171 01:54:26.399 --> 01:54:29.439 to Patreon dot com slash cult to Conspiracy podcast. That 2172 01:54:29.479 --> 01:54:31.560 third Eye All the way Open tier is the tier 2173 01:54:31.600 --> 01:54:33.720 for the book club, correct, That is for. 2174 01:54:33.560 --> 01:54:34.760 The live every week. 2175 01:54:35.359 --> 01:54:38.319 You can join as a cult member also, but you 2176 01:54:38.359 --> 01:54:40.600 won't be able to attend the lives. So and those 2177 01:54:40.600 --> 01:54:43.640 are going to be exclusively on Patreon. We are not 2178 01:54:43.720 --> 01:54:46.279 going to be probably putting them actually out. It's just 2179 01:54:46.319 --> 01:54:48.760 going to be for us on the Patreon itself to 2180 01:54:48.800 --> 01:54:49.640 have a discussion. 2181 01:54:49.720 --> 01:54:52.840 So it's a maybe we'll see, We'll see how it goes. 2182 01:54:52.920 --> 01:54:55.359 But if you are listening to this and you'd like 2183 01:54:55.399 --> 01:54:57.800 to see us rather than just hear us again, the 2184 01:54:57.840 --> 01:54:59.560 only place to go to see the video would be 2185 01:54:59.560 --> 01:55:01.079 to go to Patrie. You're on dot com slash Cult 2186 01:55:01.119 --> 01:55:04.279 Conspiracy Podcast link in the description below. When you go there, 2187 01:55:04.319 --> 01:55:06.199 there are a few tiers for entry. You can go 2188 01:55:06.239 --> 01:55:08.359 to that five dollars tier where you will get these 2189 01:55:08.359 --> 01:55:10.439 shows a couple of days in advance, sometimes even up 2190 01:55:10.439 --> 01:55:12.600 to a week in advance. You'll get to see all 2191 01:55:12.640 --> 01:55:15.159 the actual you know, articles and documentation that we pull 2192 01:55:15.239 --> 01:55:17.159 up with. To be honest with you, the main reason 2193 01:55:17.159 --> 01:55:19.119 why people go to Patreon is because it is the 2194 01:55:19.119 --> 01:55:25.479 only place to get these shows absolutely fun. Yes, we know, 2195 01:55:25.560 --> 01:55:28.279 commercials suck. Ads suck, and if you're listening to this 2196 01:55:28.560 --> 01:55:31.239 you have heard a plethora of commercials and ads. Kick 2197 01:55:31.239 --> 01:55:32.800 the ads out of here and go to Patreon dot 2198 01:55:32.800 --> 01:55:35.760 com slash Cult Conspiracy Podcast. However, if you go to 2199 01:55:35.800 --> 01:55:37.960 that third eye all the way open tier, you will 2200 01:55:38.000 --> 01:55:39.880 get to join us every Tuesday night at nine pm 2201 01:55:39.960 --> 01:55:42.439 Central for the Cult Member Live We also have that 2202 01:55:42.520 --> 01:55:46.239 Cult Maniac Tier, which if you join that raven help 2203 01:55:46.279 --> 01:55:47.560 me out here, what all do they get on the 2204 01:55:47.560 --> 01:55:48.600 Cult Maniac Tier. 2205 01:55:48.880 --> 01:55:52.359 They are gonna get a free conpromary exclusive shirt that's 2206 01:55:52.479 --> 01:55:54.720 just for the maniac here. It's not gonna be sold, 2207 01:55:55.159 --> 01:55:57.920 and that will be going straight to y'all. And you 2208 01:55:57.920 --> 01:56:00.600 will also get your supply of stickers which will be 2209 01:56:00.600 --> 01:56:03.159 between twenty four to thirty six that we actually are 2210 01:56:03.199 --> 01:56:06.079 custom making. We've created like half of them so far 2211 01:56:06.600 --> 01:56:09.000 and we're going to be designing them and picking them 2212 01:56:09.000 --> 01:56:11.720 all out. And then you'll also get all the benefits 2213 01:56:11.720 --> 01:56:13.600 and perks for the Third Eye all the way Open 2214 01:56:13.640 --> 01:56:15.439 tier as well, and a big shout. 2215 01:56:15.279 --> 01:56:20.000 Out indeed, indeed, so again link in the description below. 2216 01:56:20.039 --> 01:56:22.199 Come check us out at Patreon, Come join the Cult. 2217 01:56:22.840 --> 01:56:26.439 Here's probably something you guys might be interested in. Something 2218 01:56:26.479 --> 01:56:31.319 I picked up recently is William Ramsey's Children of the Beast, 2219 01:56:31.960 --> 01:56:37.159 all about Alistair Crowley and the way he influences our society. Yeah, 2220 01:56:37.560 --> 01:56:41.119 just goes pretty much all the influence over the last 2221 01:56:41.319 --> 01:56:43.920 hundred years that he has had, so. 2222 01:56:45.159 --> 01:56:48.119 Talking about him packed into and you with the MK 2223 01:56:48.319 --> 01:56:51.479 Ultra and the Satanic Panic, do you also believe that 2224 01:56:51.520 --> 01:56:55.399 Alisair Crowley was pretty instrumental in shaping our society that 2225 01:56:55.399 --> 01:56:57.239 we have today. Oh yeah, yeah, oh. 2226 01:56:57.199 --> 01:57:00.479 Yeah, one hundred percent. I don't believe he's the only one. 2227 01:57:01.199 --> 01:57:09.760 I believe he's probably one of the most impactful. He's 2228 01:57:09.840 --> 01:57:14.720 probably had the biggest impact I would I would say, 2229 01:57:14.760 --> 01:57:20.359 at least culturally, because of the whole do what that wilt? Yeah, 2230 01:57:20.439 --> 01:57:22.319 I mean, that's that's basically our culture. 2231 01:57:23.079 --> 01:57:27.960 So it has become that for sure. You know, disregard tradition, 2232 01:57:28.079 --> 01:57:31.479 embrace not even modernity, just whatever feels right to you, 2233 01:57:31.840 --> 01:57:35.880 which right is. He's exactly what a successful society does. 2234 01:57:35.960 --> 01:57:39.439 Hedonism has only eaten itself alive from the inside out 2235 01:57:39.520 --> 01:57:44.039 historically speaking. But yeah, and so with that being asked, 2236 01:57:44.239 --> 01:57:46.560 so we were just actually talking about this. You've heard 2237 01:57:46.600 --> 01:57:51.279 of the battle at blyth Rode, No, yeah, yeah, what 2238 01:57:51.279 --> 01:57:53.479 what is your take on that one? When Alistair Crowley 2239 01:57:53.479 --> 01:57:58.000 started throwing his sigils and incantations at the Hermetic Order 2240 01:57:58.039 --> 01:57:59.960 of the Golden Dawn members and then they start throw 2241 01:58:00.079 --> 01:58:03.840 when it back at him, and nothing was working. Crazily, 2242 01:58:03.880 --> 01:58:06.039 all this magic with a k wasn't working on them. 2243 01:58:06.319 --> 01:58:10.399 Then they just decided to beat the shit out of him, right, yeah. 2244 01:58:10.479 --> 01:58:15.560 I mean, first of all, I just from personal experience 2245 01:58:16.520 --> 01:58:20.800 and you know, from everything I know about rituals and 2246 01:58:20.920 --> 01:58:24.720 you know what I have myself partaken in. 2247 01:58:25.600 --> 01:58:27.640 It's just not how magic works, you know. 2248 01:58:28.439 --> 01:58:30.560 But all these top dogs, sure the fuck thought so. 2249 01:58:31.680 --> 01:58:35.680 Oh yeah, they definitely did, and hopefully they learned their lesson. 2250 01:58:36.439 --> 01:58:41.520 It didn't work, you know, because magic is actually like 2251 01:58:41.560 --> 01:58:44.479 an intention thing, like that's what it is. It's kind 2252 01:58:44.479 --> 01:58:47.399 of like I'm sure you guys have heard of that 2253 01:58:47.479 --> 01:58:49.319 book The Secret or whatever. 2254 01:58:50.439 --> 01:58:52.399 I mean that that is magic, right. 2255 01:58:52.439 --> 01:58:56.159 It's all about your psychological process and it's all about 2256 01:58:56.199 --> 01:58:59.039 the powers of the mind and everything. And I mean 2257 01:58:59.079 --> 01:59:03.279 that's really what like Christian science is based on. You 2258 01:59:03.319 --> 01:59:05.560 know that, That's what like the lima is based on. 2259 01:59:06.399 --> 01:59:09.800 It's the power of the mind, right, It's you think it, 2260 01:59:09.920 --> 01:59:13.039 you you will it, and you bring it into existence. 2261 01:59:13.079 --> 01:59:20.159 And that's really what you know, Satanic rituals are all 2262 01:59:20.199 --> 01:59:23.079 about and stuff. And I mean I think there is 2263 01:59:23.119 --> 01:59:26.960 also a different kind of magic where you know, there's 2264 01:59:27.039 --> 01:59:28.680 like blood and sex magic. 2265 01:59:28.399 --> 01:59:29.880 And these things. 2266 01:59:31.039 --> 01:59:35.439 Sex magic for sure, right, right, But these things they 2267 01:59:35.600 --> 01:59:42.560 they don't they don't always take immediate effect. Excuse me, 2268 01:59:44.359 --> 01:59:48.560 I think, but there's limits to all of this, right, 2269 01:59:49.119 --> 01:59:51.520 it's not it's not an immediate thing. 2270 01:59:53.039 --> 01:59:55.520 We do have a guy who, however, you're talking about 2271 01:59:55.560 --> 01:59:57.960 how there's sacrificial magic and these types of things, we 2272 01:59:58.000 --> 02:00:00.159 had a guy come on the show not to just 2273 02:00:00.199 --> 02:00:01.960 a few months ago. As a matter of fact, he 2274 02:00:02.079 --> 02:00:06.760 is a professional. I don't even know what to call him. Basically, 2275 02:00:07.039 --> 02:00:10.239 he is making deals with demons and he also claims 2276 02:00:10.279 --> 02:00:14.279 and angels. I take that how you want. Through sacrifices 2277 02:00:14.399 --> 02:00:17.439 of chickens and goats and things like this. People hire 2278 02:00:17.520 --> 02:00:20.039 him to perform these sacrifices and he has a ninety 2279 02:00:20.119 --> 02:00:23.399 nine percent success rate as far as these people want X, 2280 02:00:23.520 --> 02:00:25.359 Y or Z to happen, they pay him the money, 2281 02:00:25.439 --> 02:00:27.520 he does the ritual, and then boom, this shit just 2282 02:00:27.560 --> 02:00:31.159 magically takes place for them. And he came on the 2283 02:00:31.199 --> 02:00:34.600 show and he was trying to explain to me, how yet, 2284 02:00:34.680 --> 02:00:38.199 demons aren't even like the bad guys, and angels aren't 2285 02:00:38.199 --> 02:00:40.520 even the good guys. It's not like that. It's just 2286 02:00:40.600 --> 02:00:45.399 kind of how you interact with them. And I'm like, respectfully, 2287 02:00:45.439 --> 02:00:48.119 I'm gonna have to push back on this, right, not 2288 02:00:48.159 --> 02:00:51.600 even because my own Christian standpoint, I'm like, there's people. 2289 02:00:52.000 --> 02:00:54.800 He also made the statement that real Satanists aren't in 2290 02:00:54.880 --> 02:00:57.560 jail right now for sacrificing humans. That's just not a thing. 2291 02:00:57.560 --> 02:00:59.199 And I'm like, have you ever heard of the Order 2292 02:00:59.239 --> 02:01:01.640 of Nine Angles? Like this is a real thing, and 2293 02:01:01.640 --> 02:01:04.039 there are hundreds of dudes in jail right now for 2294 02:01:04.199 --> 02:01:06.399 doing literally this, Like I've never heard of that. I'm like, 2295 02:01:06.800 --> 02:01:10.079 you're a professional demonic sacrificer and you've never heard of them. 2296 02:01:10.680 --> 02:01:14.359 That's mind blowing to me. But okay, but yeah, there 2297 02:01:14.920 --> 02:01:18.560 is this practical magic where it is instantaneous, but also 2298 02:01:18.720 --> 02:01:21.520 there is blood that is involved, and some I don't know, 2299 02:01:21.560 --> 02:01:23.520 I don't have no background on this, but some would 2300 02:01:23.520 --> 02:01:27.159 say that sex magic also works very similarly. But I 2301 02:01:27.199 --> 02:01:29.119 also have a hard time believing that jacking off to 2302 02:01:29.159 --> 02:01:30.960 a vision board is going to magically make a million 2303 02:01:30.960 --> 02:01:32.600 dollars end up in your bank account. I don't know, 2304 02:01:32.680 --> 02:01:33.319 I don't. 2305 02:01:33.039 --> 02:01:38.239 Know, but maybe, right, I mean, you have a better 2306 02:01:38.319 --> 02:01:40.520 chance of robbing a bank than you do, you know, 2307 02:01:40.720 --> 02:01:42.880 having a million dollars show up in your bank account 2308 02:01:42.880 --> 02:01:45.439 by jerking off at a vision board, you know, right, 2309 02:01:45.720 --> 02:01:49.000 So you know and so that that's actually kind of 2310 02:01:49.039 --> 02:01:56.399 my conclusion of the whole fight between these magicians. You know, 2311 02:01:56.720 --> 02:02:01.039 it's like there's just limits to this because here's the 2312 02:02:01.119 --> 02:02:05.439 thing is, we do exist in the physical realm, and 2313 02:02:06.439 --> 02:02:11.399 magic is dealing with the spiritual realm and the metaphysical realm. Right, 2314 02:02:12.359 --> 02:02:15.960 there's limits to each realm, Like there's limits to the 2315 02:02:15.960 --> 02:02:21.000 physical realm as well, and so it's it's just when 2316 02:02:21.039 --> 02:02:25.119 when people want something out of magic that you're not 2317 02:02:25.319 --> 02:02:27.439 going to get, you you can't get. 2318 02:02:27.760 --> 02:02:28.000 You know. 2319 02:02:28.239 --> 02:02:33.920 It's like this whole idea of like I want a Ferrari, 2320 02:02:34.039 --> 02:02:36.039 So I'm gonna think I want a Ferrari and then 2321 02:02:36.039 --> 02:02:38.119 I'm gonna do it, you know, put. 2322 02:02:37.920 --> 02:02:41.840 That intention out there, all the vibes right exactly. 2323 02:02:42.880 --> 02:02:45.039 You can work your way to a Ferrari. You're not 2324 02:02:45.119 --> 02:02:49.760 going to literally manifest a Ferrari atom by Adam in 2325 02:02:49.880 --> 02:02:54.560 your driveway like this, you know. So, I mean, although 2326 02:02:54.600 --> 02:02:56.800 I have talked to some like people that believe in 2327 02:02:56.800 --> 02:02:59.880 alchemy that would argue and it's just like show me 2328 02:02:59.880 --> 02:03:03.199 the gold and I'll believe you. But until then, you know, 2329 02:03:03.960 --> 02:03:05.119 So it's like, what's. 2330 02:03:04.960 --> 02:03:08.159 Your take on alchemy? Talking about this as far as 2331 02:03:08.199 --> 02:03:11.640 my research goes, it was what we would now call chemistry, 2332 02:03:12.039 --> 02:03:15.319 and they would use the term ether or anything of 2333 02:03:15.319 --> 02:03:18.439 the spiritual sense to make sense of what they couldn't 2334 02:03:18.439 --> 02:03:21.319 fully understand. It's kind of like an algebraic equation. They 2335 02:03:21.399 --> 02:03:24.520 knew that two plus X equal five, and they couldn't 2336 02:03:24.520 --> 02:03:26.159 figure out what X was, so they just kind of 2337 02:03:26.159 --> 02:03:27.920 put it into the realm of ether. They knew that 2338 02:03:27.960 --> 02:03:30.119 when they did this procedure in this way, they would 2339 02:03:30.159 --> 02:03:33.039 get a certain answer, they would get a certain substance 2340 02:03:33.079 --> 02:03:35.119 at the other side of it, and they just kind 2341 02:03:35.119 --> 02:03:37.520 of put it to the realm of spirit because it 2342 02:03:37.600 --> 02:03:40.680 was just ununderstandable to them at this time. So many 2343 02:03:40.720 --> 02:03:43.359 people believe that they were absolutely talking to angels and 2344 02:03:43.399 --> 02:03:46.960 that's what gave them these these downloads and this information. 2345 02:03:47.119 --> 02:03:50.359 And that's not what I believe it actually was. But 2346 02:03:50.520 --> 02:03:52.600 I have so many people that would argue against me 2347 02:03:52.640 --> 02:03:53.880 on that. What is your take? 2348 02:03:55.319 --> 02:03:56.880 I actually kind of believe the same thing. 2349 02:03:57.039 --> 02:04:01.920 So I'll answer that with like another explanation, Like I think, 2350 02:04:02.199 --> 02:04:06.800 like Greek and Roman mythology, for instance, they used the 2351 02:04:06.880 --> 02:04:11.199 idea of gods and goddesses to explain natural occurrences. The 2352 02:04:11.239 --> 02:04:16.680 wind lightning, you know, a thunder and lightning and hurricanes, 2353 02:04:16.760 --> 02:04:19.479 like they used gods and goddesses because that was what 2354 02:04:19.479 --> 02:04:22.319 they understood at that time. And so I agree with you. 2355 02:04:22.399 --> 02:04:26.199 I think that that's exactly what alchemy was. So there 2356 02:04:26.279 --> 02:04:29.079 was like this level of mysticism because that was like 2357 02:04:29.319 --> 02:04:31.520 the understanding at the time, right. 2358 02:04:32.520 --> 02:04:34.439 And I think I. 2359 02:04:34.399 --> 02:04:37.720 Think there is magic in the world. Okay, I do 2360 02:04:37.760 --> 02:04:40.800 think magic is real. It's not what we think it 2361 02:04:40.880 --> 02:04:46.000 is though, right. I think that when you perform a ritual, 2362 02:04:46.159 --> 02:04:49.279 I think that there are real rituals that you can 2363 02:04:49.680 --> 02:04:52.680 get a benefit from, although I don't think that they're 2364 02:04:52.680 --> 02:04:57.000 good benefits because it's kind of like a a monkey 2365 02:04:57.039 --> 02:04:59.439 paw or like a genie's wish. You know, there's always 2366 02:04:59.439 --> 02:05:02.560 the downside to it, Like regardless of even if you 2367 02:05:02.600 --> 02:05:05.720 get the thing that you're asking for or you know, 2368 02:05:05.840 --> 02:05:08.960 the result that you want, there's always going to be 2369 02:05:09.000 --> 02:05:13.760 the downside to it because the you know, the what 2370 02:05:14.239 --> 02:05:18.560 is it the consequences the well, the law of physics. 2371 02:05:18.560 --> 02:05:20.319 I can't I can't remember what it is that the 2372 02:05:20.399 --> 02:05:25.600 equal and opposite there's an equal and opposite reaction, and 2373 02:05:25.680 --> 02:05:30.039 I think that's universal across everything, including in magic, and 2374 02:05:30.079 --> 02:05:32.600 so even if you do perform a ritual, you're going 2375 02:05:32.680 --> 02:05:35.560 to have something come back, and it might come back worse, 2376 02:05:35.920 --> 02:05:36.159 you know. 2377 02:05:36.439 --> 02:05:39.039 So, so I think. 2378 02:05:38.880 --> 02:05:41.920 That there is like magic, but once again, we're talking 2379 02:05:41.960 --> 02:05:45.720 about different realms. We're talking about the metaphysical realm, the 2380 02:05:45.760 --> 02:05:49.680 spiritual realm. We're talking about different like dimensions that might 2381 02:05:49.760 --> 02:05:52.000 not have a stronghold here. 2382 02:05:52.239 --> 02:05:53.920 And so there's going to be limitations. 2383 02:05:54.560 --> 02:06:01.720 So I think alchemy, definitely at the time time was 2384 02:06:02.199 --> 02:06:07.399 a way to just explain natural sciences, but it was 2385 02:06:07.439 --> 02:06:11.279 a way for them to explain through their current understanding 2386 02:06:11.319 --> 02:06:15.520 of what the world was. I don't really believe that 2387 02:06:15.560 --> 02:06:18.239 we could take, you know, a piece of coal and 2388 02:06:18.319 --> 02:06:22.279 turn it into gold, right Like, that's that's just fantastical. 2389 02:06:22.319 --> 02:06:27.439 That doesn't exist. This Harry Potter type magic does not exist, 2390 02:06:27.840 --> 02:06:29.119 in my opinion. 2391 02:06:30.720 --> 02:06:33.199 And I've heard a lot of people argue against that point. 2392 02:06:33.960 --> 02:06:35.720 I think that I think it might be a little 2393 02:06:35.720 --> 02:06:38.279 bit in the in the gray area there. I think 2394 02:06:38.319 --> 02:06:43.239 that spellcasting is a real thing that i'd see. Even 2395 02:06:43.319 --> 02:06:45.039 as I was about to say I believe magic wands 2396 02:06:45.039 --> 02:06:47.520 are a thing, it depends on who you ask on that, 2397 02:06:47.920 --> 02:06:51.159 because some people will say that real magic happens within 2398 02:06:51.199 --> 02:06:53.479 your mind, and the wand is literally just like a 2399 02:06:53.520 --> 02:06:56.000 point of focus. Then there's other people that are like, 2400 02:06:56.119 --> 02:06:59.439 oh no, no, magic wands are made from trees that 2401 02:06:59.520 --> 02:07:02.960 grow outside of cemeteries because it's all the death energy 2402 02:07:03.079 --> 02:07:05.680 in it. And then magic wand is absolutely a real thing. 2403 02:07:05.720 --> 02:07:07.479 You could shoot lightning bolts out of it, and it's 2404 02:07:07.920 --> 02:07:10.319 there's so many different opinions on these things. 2405 02:07:10.840 --> 02:07:13.840 I mean, I talked to a guy on my podcast 2406 02:07:13.880 --> 02:07:18.119 one time. I can't I can't remember his name off 2407 02:07:18.119 --> 02:07:19.399 the top of my head. I would have to go 2408 02:07:19.439 --> 02:07:22.239 back and go, look, great conversation. I would have him 2409 02:07:22.279 --> 02:07:25.319 back on my show at any time. But he also 2410 02:07:25.359 --> 02:07:27.640 told me that it was healthy to drink your own piss. 2411 02:07:28.039 --> 02:07:30.840 Dude. That is a thing that the Order of the 2412 02:07:30.840 --> 02:07:34.319 Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn. Yeah, if you actually 2413 02:07:34.359 --> 02:07:39.119 look at the documentation on how you get the Philosopher's Stone, yeah, 2414 02:07:39.199 --> 02:07:42.039 that's all it is is you're cooking down your own 2415 02:07:42.159 --> 02:07:46.279 piss for the better part of three years to finally 2416 02:07:46.279 --> 02:07:50.199 get it to a crystalline state and then eating it. Right, 2417 02:07:51.079 --> 02:07:52.800 But what the fuck we talking about here? 2418 02:07:53.520 --> 02:07:53.720 Right? 2419 02:07:53.880 --> 02:07:57.000 And you know what it I guess maybe if it 2420 02:07:57.119 --> 02:07:59.319 cured cancer, and I had cancer and there was a 2421 02:07:59.319 --> 02:08:01.119 way to prove it, then maybe I would drink my 2422 02:08:01.159 --> 02:08:04.640 own piss. But sure, sure, I I At the time 2423 02:08:04.680 --> 02:08:06.039 I told the guy, I was like, you know what, 2424 02:08:06.119 --> 02:08:08.800 I'm it's just not something I'm going to start doing. 2425 02:08:09.000 --> 02:08:10.359 You know. 2426 02:08:10.479 --> 02:08:13.119 We had a guy come on the show, but yeah, 2427 02:08:13.199 --> 02:08:16.319 he he came on. He was talking about God. I 2428 02:08:16.319 --> 02:08:18.039 wish I can remember the dude's name. And he was 2429 02:08:18.079 --> 02:08:20.920 also a really fun guest. Uh he was selling a 2430 02:08:20.920 --> 02:08:24.960 bunch of these little stickers that had like crazy patterns 2431 02:08:25.000 --> 02:08:29.319 on it and were like super reflective. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 2432 02:08:29.359 --> 02:08:33.319 and uh, he great guy. But whenever he told us that, like, yeah, 2433 02:08:33.359 --> 02:08:35.760 he absolutely would drink his own piss. I don't know 2434 02:08:35.800 --> 02:08:37.520 if he said daily or once a week. And he 2435 02:08:37.560 --> 02:08:39.199 was exacting like that's a normal thing to bring up 2436 02:08:39.239 --> 02:08:42.239 in conversations, like hold on, my boy, let's pull those 2437 02:08:42.239 --> 02:08:44.680 reins back a little bit. You're saying this on the 2438 02:08:44.760 --> 02:08:47.119 internet and it's never going away. But he was like 2439 02:08:47.840 --> 02:08:52.359 definitely meaning that, and it's like, all right, that's that's 2440 02:08:52.359 --> 02:08:52.680 a thing. 2441 02:08:54.239 --> 02:08:55.840 Well, and there was there was a lot I agree 2442 02:08:55.840 --> 02:08:57.119 with them on. 2443 02:08:57.520 --> 02:09:01.039 Right, the medical industry is screwing and we we are 2444 02:09:01.159 --> 02:09:04.920 mineral deficient and people are all dehydrated, and we do 2445 02:09:05.039 --> 02:09:06.880 need to take our health more seriously, and they are 2446 02:09:07.000 --> 02:09:10.960 lying to us about agreed, But man, he was. There 2447 02:09:11.000 --> 02:09:12.720 was one or two points he made where it was like, 2448 02:09:12.800 --> 02:09:14.520 all right, where you go. 2449 02:09:15.600 --> 02:09:17.479 I'll even go with him on the sticker thing. 2450 02:09:17.720 --> 02:09:19.840 You know, he. 2451 02:09:19.880 --> 02:09:22.800 Sent us some. He sent us some stickers and I 2452 02:09:22.880 --> 02:09:27.000 tried them out. I gotta tell you, I felt no difference. 2453 02:09:27.560 --> 02:09:29.560 I know, I shocker to everybody out there. If you 2454 02:09:29.560 --> 02:09:33.000 put a holographic sticker on a muscle that sore, you're 2455 02:09:33.000 --> 02:09:36.600 not gonna instantaneously feel better because this sticker is refracting 2456 02:09:36.640 --> 02:09:39.760 the light spectrum through your muscle fibers and it's gonna 2457 02:09:39.760 --> 02:09:42.399 heal you instantaneously. I know that's gonna sound crazy, but 2458 02:09:42.880 --> 02:09:47.159 it's not how it actually works. But more power to him. 2459 02:09:47.199 --> 02:09:49.479 I hope he's doing great. God. I alwaysh can remember 2460 02:09:49.479 --> 02:09:50.079 this dude's name. 2461 02:09:50.119 --> 02:09:50.359 He was. 2462 02:09:50.640 --> 02:09:53.119 He was a fun dude. 2463 02:09:53.359 --> 02:09:54.600 Like I said, I would have him back on my 2464 02:09:54.680 --> 02:09:58.880 show at any point, you know, right, But the whole 2465 02:09:58.880 --> 02:10:01.600 pist drinking thing, I just and you know what, I 2466 02:10:01.640 --> 02:10:02.720 wasn't even knocking him for it. 2467 02:10:02.800 --> 02:10:05.960 Dude, if it's working for cool. He's not gonna be 2468 02:10:06.000 --> 02:10:06.399 my thing. 2469 02:10:06.640 --> 02:10:09.359 He did seem to be in great health for his age. 2470 02:10:09.359 --> 02:10:10.640 I will say that it sound like he was like 2471 02:10:10.680 --> 02:10:13.960 some old dude. He was upper fifties I think, and 2472 02:10:14.279 --> 02:10:16.279 had the body of like a mid thirty year old. 2473 02:10:16.359 --> 02:10:20.640 So like, all right, whatever he's doing is working right. 2474 02:10:20.880 --> 02:10:22.880 And maybe I'm wrong about the pists drinking thing, but 2475 02:10:23.000 --> 02:10:24.840 I'll I'll fall on that grenade. 2476 02:10:24.880 --> 02:10:27.560 You know. I'm good with it. I'm really good with it. 2477 02:10:27.600 --> 02:10:31.640 I'm not big into drinking urine. A shocker, I know, 2478 02:10:31.840 --> 02:10:35.800 but Raven's over here, just like, what the fuck are 2479 02:10:35.840 --> 02:10:37.000 you even talking about right now? 2480 02:10:38.520 --> 02:10:40.680 I mean, it's if you know anything about like the 2481 02:10:40.720 --> 02:10:42.720 body and the waist and like how many times you 2482 02:10:42.760 --> 02:10:44.600 can drink your urine and like all of that. 2483 02:10:45.960 --> 02:10:49.159 I'm yep. I mean it is a thing you do, you, 2484 02:10:49.359 --> 02:10:50.920 I mean whatever. 2485 02:10:51.039 --> 02:10:53.720 It's a in a survival situation, you do what you 2486 02:10:53.760 --> 02:10:57.840 gotta do. You It's kind of like from Dodgeball m 2487 02:10:58.000 --> 02:11:01.680 h ne shair. I drink my own hereine. Probably not, 2488 02:11:02.319 --> 02:11:05.840 but it's like the te like that. That's it's those 2489 02:11:05.920 --> 02:11:10.359 kind of vibes, you know, you know, I guess. 2490 02:11:11.600 --> 02:11:13.560 I don't know It's not not something I'm going to 2491 02:11:13.600 --> 02:11:16.960 start doing. But you know, I get I get the 2492 02:11:17.000 --> 02:11:19.680 train of thought. I mean, the medical industry has lied 2493 02:11:19.680 --> 02:11:21.520 to us about everything. Why wouldn't they lie to us 2494 02:11:21.560 --> 02:11:24.800 about that? But that's kind of the same mentality I 2495 02:11:24.840 --> 02:11:28.640 have about flat Earth. It's like, yeah, I mean, they 2496 02:11:28.680 --> 02:11:31.319 lie to us about everything. But here's the thing is, 2497 02:11:31.359 --> 02:11:33.439 I also think that that's part of the trap to 2498 02:11:33.640 --> 02:11:37.600 conspiracy theories, is that there's a whole other side to this, right, this, 2499 02:11:37.600 --> 02:11:41.680 This is why QAnon successful is because some people take 2500 02:11:41.720 --> 02:11:44.840 too many red pills too quickly, you know, and kind 2501 02:11:44.880 --> 02:11:47.720 of go over the deep deep end, and there's a 2502 02:11:47.880 --> 02:11:49.079 there's a lot of pitfalls. 2503 02:11:49.159 --> 02:11:49.439 You know. 2504 02:11:49.520 --> 02:11:51.880 Not every rabbit hole is a good one, you know, 2505 02:11:52.720 --> 02:11:56.479 and uh not every rabbit hole should be explored because 2506 02:11:56.479 --> 02:12:00.239 some of them are you know, dead rabbit hole for 2507 02:12:00.239 --> 02:12:00.680 a reason. 2508 02:12:01.000 --> 02:12:01.720 I think they're. 2509 02:12:01.479 --> 02:12:04.760 Planted, right, I think quite a few of them are 2510 02:12:04.760 --> 02:12:08.960 actually planted into being into circling back to each other 2511 02:12:09.079 --> 02:12:11.920 over and over and over again. The flat earth conversation 2512 02:12:12.079 --> 02:12:15.680 is interesting to me. I mean, I don't really care 2513 02:12:15.760 --> 02:12:17.840 either way, to be honest. It's not one of my 2514 02:12:17.880 --> 02:12:20.560 top things that I'm like, oh, my God. But I mean, 2515 02:12:20.880 --> 02:12:23.000 we had another person come on and talk about the 2516 02:12:23.039 --> 02:12:26.479 snow globe one, and then I have a friend that 2517 02:12:27.119 --> 02:12:30.680 Tartaria Island or something. I had a couple of cult 2518 02:12:30.720 --> 02:12:34.279 members send me the maps of those as well, and 2519 02:12:34.359 --> 02:12:35.760 I've seen all different ones. 2520 02:12:35.880 --> 02:12:38.159 I'm more of the hollow Earth crowd. 2521 02:12:38.199 --> 02:12:39.840 I guess the people if I was going to go 2522 02:12:39.960 --> 02:12:42.079 down a rabbit hole and be like, all right, I 2523 02:12:42.079 --> 02:12:44.239 could fuck with this one, and I think it's hollow Earth. 2524 02:12:44.279 --> 02:12:49.319 Right, No, yeah, I mean hollow Earth doesn't try to 2525 02:12:49.319 --> 02:12:52.479 rewrite the laws of physics though, like, and that's my 2526 02:12:52.520 --> 02:12:53.680 biggest issue with the flat Earth. 2527 02:12:53.800 --> 02:12:57.159 I mean, but hollow Earth could objectively change how the 2528 02:12:57.199 --> 02:13:01.239 Earth's gravitational pull is and how like it could impact 2529 02:13:01.399 --> 02:13:04.319 quite a few different things as well in the physics 2530 02:13:04.399 --> 02:13:06.600 kind of standpoint. So it's kind of one of those 2531 02:13:06.640 --> 02:13:10.119 like catch twenty two ones. But then if I mean, 2532 02:13:10.560 --> 02:13:13.079 it's a fun one for me personally. I always vibed 2533 02:13:13.119 --> 02:13:15.199 with the Journey to the Center of the Earth when 2534 02:13:15.199 --> 02:13:17.359 I was a kid, and I like always believe that 2535 02:13:17.399 --> 02:13:21.159 it was real, and then as an adult, it just 2536 02:13:21.239 --> 02:13:23.560 you know, it makes more sense in some ways that 2537 02:13:23.600 --> 02:13:26.199 could it could be a real thing that's happening. But 2538 02:13:27.119 --> 02:13:30.520 in other ways, logically, I'm like, it doesn't really match, 2539 02:13:30.920 --> 02:13:32.960 you know, science, But then you have to take that 2540 02:13:32.960 --> 02:13:35.520 with a grain of salt unless you really understand those fields, 2541 02:13:36.119 --> 02:13:39.199 you know, in depth and stuff like that. But it 2542 02:13:39.359 --> 02:13:41.960 just it's just a lot of different conspiracy theories. I 2543 02:13:42.000 --> 02:13:43.800 think a lot of them circle back. I think some 2544 02:13:43.840 --> 02:13:47.640 of them are planted into continuous to keep people off 2545 02:13:47.680 --> 02:13:51.079 of the real beaten path of what's happening and stuff, 2546 02:13:51.079 --> 02:13:54.039 and so it's just more of a syops kind of thing, 2547 02:13:54.079 --> 02:13:56.840 but it's more hidden, and so it looks like, oh, 2548 02:13:57.039 --> 02:13:59.560 you believe this conspiracy theory that leads to twelve other 2549 02:13:59.680 --> 02:14:02.640 theory is that this is here's fifteen different articles that 2550 02:14:02.680 --> 02:14:05.119 go this way, but here's another twenty that go the 2551 02:14:05.159 --> 02:14:08.159 opposite way, and nothing actually tells you the truth. It 2552 02:14:08.239 --> 02:14:10.560 just keeps going in circles, so you're just as confused 2553 02:14:10.560 --> 02:14:13.720 as when you started the whole thing. And then everyone's speculating, 2554 02:14:13.760 --> 02:14:16.520 and it depends on everyone's biases and backgrounds, and so 2555 02:14:17.760 --> 02:14:19.960 overall we're all just kind of talking in circles and 2556 02:14:19.960 --> 02:14:21.680 trying to figure everything out. But a lot of it 2557 02:14:21.720 --> 02:14:24.880 we don't actually understand and nor will we until we 2558 02:14:24.920 --> 02:14:28.159 get more information. And even then, if we have actual 2559 02:14:28.199 --> 02:14:31.159 degrees in these fields and really understand what we're talking about, 2560 02:14:31.520 --> 02:14:34.239 we still don't know one hundred percent even if we 2561 02:14:34.319 --> 02:14:35.880 got the information so right. 2562 02:14:36.079 --> 02:14:38.399 And that's the flighter of community as a whole, because 2563 02:14:38.840 --> 02:14:40.640 every conspiracy. 2564 02:14:41.079 --> 02:14:47.079 Community as Okay, I love the UFO concept. 2565 02:14:47.199 --> 02:14:48.000 I love it. 2566 02:14:48.119 --> 02:14:51.760 I think there I think the truth of it is 2567 02:14:51.840 --> 02:14:55.960 not what people want to hear. But I think the 2568 02:14:56.079 --> 02:15:02.760 UFO community was intentionally flooded with just information agents on purpose. 2569 02:15:02.840 --> 02:15:06.520 In fact, there's a great documentary about it called Mirage Men. Yeah, 2570 02:15:06.600 --> 02:15:10.199 I highly recommend that, and even that documentary, I don't 2571 02:15:10.199 --> 02:15:14.279 even think like tells the full encompassing aspect of this. 2572 02:15:14.960 --> 02:15:18.680 You've had people come forward at UFO conventions and tell people, 2573 02:15:18.680 --> 02:15:22.399 by the way, I'm a CIA plant, I've been in 2574 02:15:22.439 --> 02:15:24.479 this for a couple of decades now, this and this 2575 02:15:24.520 --> 02:15:26.840 and get booed off stage. These people that were seen 2576 02:15:26.840 --> 02:15:29.439 as experts in the field. You've had multiple of them 2577 02:15:29.479 --> 02:15:32.199 that have come forward and done that. And to your 2578 02:15:32.199 --> 02:15:34.840 point also, I think as far as the aliens are concerned, 2579 02:15:34.880 --> 02:15:37.920 I think that there's multiple levels to that because same 2580 02:15:38.439 --> 02:15:41.239 with the alien conversation. You'll have some people say they're 2581 02:15:41.279 --> 02:15:44.560 time travelers, they are inter dimensional beings, they're clearly demonic, 2582 02:15:44.600 --> 02:15:47.479 they're clearly angelic. I think that all of these things 2583 02:15:47.520 --> 02:15:49.800 are happening at the same time, but I don't necessarily 2584 02:15:49.800 --> 02:15:52.439 think they're all connected. I think it's very possible that 2585 02:15:52.479 --> 02:15:55.640 there's other galaxies with life. I also believe that angels 2586 02:15:55.640 --> 02:15:58.199 and demons are real. I also believe there's more than 2587 02:15:58.199 --> 02:16:01.439 one dimension that we're currently residing in. And I also 2588 02:16:01.439 --> 02:16:03.319 believe that time travel may or may not be real. 2589 02:16:03.439 --> 02:16:06.279 Like all of these things can happen independent. 2590 02:16:05.720 --> 02:16:10.600 Of each other, right, you know, you know, like the 2591 02:16:10.640 --> 02:16:14.000 cattle mutilations. I largely believe like all of that is 2592 02:16:14.079 --> 02:16:20.079 chemical weapons testing and like directed energy weapons testing. I 2593 02:16:20.119 --> 02:16:26.279 think largely aliens are actually human pig crimeas. 2594 02:16:26.039 --> 02:16:28.560 You know, it's now this is a new one. 2595 02:16:29.319 --> 02:16:34.079 Yeah, absolutely, just horrific human experimentation, you know, like Plumb islands, 2596 02:16:34.239 --> 02:16:38.239 you know stuff. It's it's just I actually don't think 2597 02:16:38.280 --> 02:16:41.760 aliens are real. I do agree that I think aliens are, 2598 02:16:42.399 --> 02:16:45.639 angels and demons are real. So the idea of like 2599 02:16:45.719 --> 02:16:50.799 interdimensional beans, I'm definitely willing to entertain that idea. 2600 02:16:50.840 --> 02:16:52.239 Because it seems so plausible. 2601 02:16:53.600 --> 02:16:58.879 But I think aliens largely are just human hybrids that 2602 02:16:58.920 --> 02:17:02.280 the government is experimenting on in dums, you know, deep 2603 02:17:02.319 --> 02:17:05.680 underground military bases. In fact, I know for a fact 2604 02:17:05.760 --> 02:17:08.239 the state I live in, Utah, we have one out here. 2605 02:17:09.559 --> 02:17:13.000 It's called Dugway Proving Grounds. It's marked as Area fifty two. 2606 02:17:14.079 --> 02:17:19.000 The size of this military base is over eight hundred 2607 02:17:19.040 --> 02:17:20.120 thousand square miles. 2608 02:17:20.799 --> 02:17:21.120 Cool. 2609 02:17:21.200 --> 02:17:23.520 It's literally the size of Rhode Island. 2610 02:17:24.079 --> 02:17:24.760 Yeah. 2611 02:17:25.600 --> 02:17:29.639 So, and there's nothing out there largely, everything that's on 2612 02:17:29.760 --> 02:17:33.520 the surface, it's just it's just nothing but desert largely. 2613 02:17:33.799 --> 02:17:38.440 And so my thought is that it has to be underground. 2614 02:17:38.600 --> 02:17:41.440 Most everything they do out there is underground. Now, they 2615 02:17:41.440 --> 02:17:44.879 do do stuff above ground, it's usually chemical weapon testing. 2616 02:17:45.360 --> 02:17:49.920 They do, you know, testing of you know, like new 2617 02:17:49.959 --> 02:17:55.399 safety equipment for chemical and biological safety equipment, gas masks, 2618 02:17:55.719 --> 02:17:58.239 chemical suits. They do that sort of testing out there. 2619 02:17:58.920 --> 02:18:04.440 But I mean, we have we Utah has one of 2620 02:18:04.479 --> 02:18:09.479 the only incinerators in the world that will literally incinerate 2621 02:18:09.639 --> 02:18:14.280 radioactive waste. So it's like, what the hell are they 2622 02:18:14.319 --> 02:18:15.040 doing out there? 2623 02:18:15.280 --> 02:18:18.239 Wait? Is that does that actually work? As far as 2624 02:18:18.319 --> 02:18:21.079 getting rid of radioactive waste. I thought, all it does 2625 02:18:21.120 --> 02:18:22.040 is make it airborne. 2626 02:18:23.799 --> 02:18:26.360 Well, I mean maybe if it does, then you know, 2627 02:18:26.440 --> 02:18:28.760 that explains a lot of downwinders the. 2628 02:18:28.840 --> 02:18:30.840 Show, which is what they're called out here. 2629 02:18:30.840 --> 02:18:32.680 No, the down windows. See, that's the other thing. We've 2630 02:18:32.680 --> 02:18:34.319 had some people come on the show that believe that 2631 02:18:34.399 --> 02:18:39.360 nuclear weapons aren't real, and there's there's a whole lot 2632 02:18:39.399 --> 02:18:43.600 of downwinders one hundred percent disagree chemically speaking. Help The 2633 02:18:43.680 --> 02:18:46.639 Kodak Picture Company was the first one to discover that 2634 02:18:46.680 --> 02:18:50.200 America was testing nuclear weapons because the radiation was making 2635 02:18:50.239 --> 02:18:53.319 their way into water that they were using and developing 2636 02:18:53.319 --> 02:18:55.680 the film, and they realized the only thing that could 2637 02:18:55.719 --> 02:18:58.200 have done this to the film would be radioactive isotopes. 2638 02:18:58.440 --> 02:19:01.280 So they pretty much reached out to the government was like, hey, listen, 2639 02:19:01.920 --> 02:19:04.719 we are not calling you out on what you're doing, 2640 02:19:05.159 --> 02:19:07.920 but what we're saying is, whenever you're doing this thing 2641 02:19:08.319 --> 02:19:10.200 that we don't know about, could you give us a 2642 02:19:10.200 --> 02:19:12.319 call so we know to not use that water for 2643 02:19:12.360 --> 02:19:15.159 a couple of days. And the government's responses basically, we 2644 02:19:15.200 --> 02:19:17.959 don't know what you're talking about, but if we did, 2645 02:19:18.159 --> 02:19:20.680 we may start calling you and letting you know that 2646 02:19:20.719 --> 02:19:22.440 you don't need to use the water for a bit, 2647 02:19:22.920 --> 02:19:26.760 and that was like the undisclosed going narrative for like 2648 02:19:26.879 --> 02:19:30.600 a decade. So and then yeah, all the downwindows that 2649 02:19:30.600 --> 02:19:33.600 have actually won these court cases based off of their 2650 02:19:33.920 --> 02:19:37.079 injuries from these things. But so many people are like, Yep, 2651 02:19:37.200 --> 02:19:39.760 nuclear bombs can't be real because the government. Yeah, it's like, 2652 02:19:39.799 --> 02:19:40.760 all right, sure. 2653 02:19:40.959 --> 02:19:44.600 I think that's one of those conspiracies that like, it's 2654 02:19:44.680 --> 02:19:48.680 just like a fundamental misunderstanding of nuclear technology and how 2655 02:19:48.719 --> 02:19:52.760 they function, how they work, because I totally believe that 2656 02:19:55.159 --> 02:19:58.840 logically speaking, at what I think happened is, first of all, 2657 02:19:58.920 --> 02:20:03.639 the bomb was created, and then maybe we didn't quite 2658 02:20:03.760 --> 02:20:06.479 have the technology right in the beginning. We haven't now, 2659 02:20:07.200 --> 02:20:13.639 like nuclear bombs so totally exists. Now, maybe I'm open 2660 02:20:13.719 --> 02:20:16.559 to the idea that fat Man and Little Boy were 2661 02:20:16.639 --> 02:20:19.879 not actual nuclear weapons. I'm open to that idea that 2662 02:20:19.920 --> 02:20:25.399 they were just really large. But to say that nuclear 2663 02:20:25.399 --> 02:20:28.040 weapons don't exist and it was just a fear campaign, 2664 02:20:28.559 --> 02:20:32.719 that's that's absurd. Now, I do think that the capabilities 2665 02:20:32.760 --> 02:20:36.200 back then were light about largely, you know, sure, because 2666 02:20:36.200 --> 02:20:39.520 it was open to the public, right, So they want 2667 02:20:39.760 --> 02:20:42.559 the Soviets to be scared of what we have, right, 2668 02:20:42.639 --> 02:20:46.719 so they pushed out maybe a live of capability that 2669 02:20:46.760 --> 02:20:49.719 we didn't quite have but we have now since had. 2670 02:20:50.440 --> 02:20:53.719 So it's like I don't know, I just I don't 2671 02:20:53.719 --> 02:20:56.280 believe the whole Like, oh, they don't exist, Like look 2672 02:20:56.319 --> 02:20:59.079 at these films, you know, like, oh, like the. 2673 02:20:59.040 --> 02:21:01.879 Films, a little pops stick building blows apart, which like 2674 02:21:02.239 --> 02:21:04.680 that I could understand, but that was that was a 2675 02:21:04.719 --> 02:21:07.719 part of the fear campaign. But that doesn't mean that, 2676 02:21:07.840 --> 02:21:10.920 like the hydrogen bomb was all still a part of 2677 02:21:10.920 --> 02:21:14.399 the property and the Czar bomber that Russia actually launched 2678 02:21:14.440 --> 02:21:17.639 blew up, like that's yeah, these things are real, Like 2679 02:21:17.680 --> 02:21:20.799 that's that's crazy. I mean, hell, we sent we sent 2680 02:21:20.920 --> 02:21:24.920 a sewer lid into space at mock fuck from law 2681 02:21:25.200 --> 02:21:28.120 blowing up a bomb underground, which some believe would be 2682 02:21:28.200 --> 02:21:31.559 the start of the Starship Troopers war. Who knows, right, 2683 02:21:31.680 --> 02:21:35.879 But yeah, that's this thing's these things exist. 2684 02:21:36.159 --> 02:21:41.280 But well see here's here's like my like ultimate conclusion 2685 02:21:41.280 --> 02:21:42.959 with a lot of this stuff too, because you know, 2686 02:21:43.040 --> 02:21:44.760 I talked to a lot of people that are really 2687 02:21:44.760 --> 02:21:50.280 black pilled, right, like everything's a syop, everything's propaganda. That's 2688 02:21:50.319 --> 02:21:55.200 that's stupid because if everything is propaganda, then nothing is propaganda. 2689 02:21:55.559 --> 02:21:59.760 So if if everything is a syop, nothing is a syop. 2690 02:21:59.840 --> 02:22:03.719 If like, it's absurd that the whole reason a syop 2691 02:22:03.840 --> 02:22:06.280 works is because objective truth exists. 2692 02:22:07.120 --> 02:22:11.000 So like, that's that's it. Objective truth exists. 2693 02:22:11.399 --> 02:22:16.920 There's no arguing that, and to think otherwise is a 2694 02:22:17.000 --> 02:22:20.040 trap in and of itself. And that's something that happens 2695 02:22:20.040 --> 02:22:22.719 in the conspiracy community a lot, and it's something I 2696 02:22:22.760 --> 02:22:25.000 try to push back on it because it's like whoa, whoah, blah, whoah, 2697 02:22:25.040 --> 02:22:26.760 you're going a little too far, come. 2698 02:22:26.680 --> 02:22:29.719 Back, yeah, saying, but I get shit on for that 2699 02:22:30.399 --> 02:22:36.319 a good bit, right, because trying to apply logic and 2700 02:22:36.639 --> 02:22:41.719 having a conspiratorial mind is apparently just that's crazy. That's 2701 02:22:42.159 --> 02:22:47.239 that's crazy. But you know it's yeah, actually I could, 2702 02:22:47.239 --> 02:22:48.840 I could go on a whole tangent about that, but 2703 02:22:48.879 --> 02:22:50.639 I don't want to do that. I get enough shit 2704 02:22:50.799 --> 02:22:55.799 for for having any kind of basis in reality, right, 2705 02:22:56.000 --> 02:22:57.680 But at the same time, if you don't stand for something, 2706 02:22:57.680 --> 02:22:59.840 you'll fall for anything. And I feel like a lot 2707 02:22:59.840 --> 02:23:02.639 of people, once they start pulling at the thread, right, 2708 02:23:02.719 --> 02:23:04.639 once they start pulling out the string of the of 2709 02:23:04.719 --> 02:23:08.440 the sweater, so to speak to quote Weezer, then everything unravels, 2710 02:23:08.479 --> 02:23:10.600 which is good. You should see it for what it is. 2711 02:23:11.280 --> 02:23:14.719 But there is truth within this world, and not even 2712 02:23:14.799 --> 02:23:18.319 speaking on anything religiously right. Physics is a real thing. 2713 02:23:20.399 --> 02:23:24.040 Science is real now. Science is being rewritten, and whenever 2714 02:23:24.520 --> 02:23:27.280 there is new science to replace the old science, they're 2715 02:23:27.319 --> 02:23:30.719 able to quantify their research and show why people believed 2716 02:23:30.799 --> 02:23:34.120 this to a certain point and why they had their math, 2717 02:23:34.200 --> 02:23:36.079 and why that was seen as correct, and why that 2718 02:23:36.200 --> 02:23:38.520 is wrong. Here is why papap they listed all out. 2719 02:23:39.079 --> 02:23:41.600 But then whenever you say that, oh, you're just getting 2720 02:23:41.600 --> 02:23:44.040 into the Rockefeller system of education, It's like, okay, so 2721 02:23:44.120 --> 02:23:46.200 pretty much anything that's ever been written in a book 2722 02:23:46.680 --> 02:23:49.719 is clearly incorrect. Well yeah, well then where are you 2723 02:23:49.879 --> 02:23:54.559 getting your information from? Well, the Internet. Now we're getting 2724 02:23:54.600 --> 02:23:57.079 into dead Internet theory, and it's like, all right, sure, 2725 02:23:57.280 --> 02:24:02.000 so nothing is right, everything is wrong. Fucking God, bless you. 2726 02:24:02.079 --> 02:24:05.040 I guess I don't know, yeah exactly, And that drives 2727 02:24:05.079 --> 02:24:07.200 me nuts because I that's where they want us, and 2728 02:24:07.799 --> 02:24:10.799 I think that's you know, why we've seen like this 2729 02:24:11.040 --> 02:24:16.840 explosion in popularity of conspiracies, you know, like after COVID, 2730 02:24:16.920 --> 02:24:19.840 it seems like all of a sudden, it's cool and 2731 02:24:20.040 --> 02:24:22.239 okay to believe in conspiracies, right. 2732 02:24:22.360 --> 02:24:26.360 Yeah, some of them, not all of them. They shall say, 2733 02:24:26.360 --> 02:24:29.079 there's a whole lot of Holocaust denialism that is going 2734 02:24:29.239 --> 02:24:32.440 like hardcore right now, which is wild to me. 2735 02:24:33.000 --> 02:24:33.920 Right right. 2736 02:24:34.040 --> 02:24:36.319 And then you know, it's like the whole alien thing. 2737 02:24:36.799 --> 02:24:39.639 It's like I believed in aliens until the government told 2738 02:24:39.719 --> 02:24:41.399 me that they existed, and now I don't. 2739 02:24:41.799 --> 02:24:44.840 You know, it's like we just had that talk and 2740 02:24:45.239 --> 02:24:47.479 all the disclosures that are happening from the government. You 2741 02:24:47.559 --> 02:24:50.319 got you understand that that's all greenlit by the government. 2742 02:24:50.399 --> 02:24:53.319 It's like, you know, that's that's also a massive red flag, 2743 02:24:54.319 --> 02:24:55.440 right yeah. 2744 02:24:55.479 --> 02:24:59.120 And the whole like Holocaust denial thing, and you know, 2745 02:24:59.280 --> 02:25:02.040 I have my whole opinion about that, but the fact 2746 02:25:02.040 --> 02:25:04.159 that it's being pushed and the whole anti semitism, I 2747 02:25:04.239 --> 02:25:06.559 think it's being pushed on purpose to get people into 2748 02:25:06.639 --> 02:25:07.000 a trap. 2749 02:25:07.639 --> 02:25:07.799 You know. 2750 02:25:08.079 --> 02:25:12.000 It's like, yeah, I don't know, man, Like it's it's 2751 02:25:12.360 --> 02:25:16.239 just wild. The things that are acceptable or the things 2752 02:25:16.319 --> 02:25:20.120 that like basically, any if I see an influencer pushing it, 2753 02:25:20.280 --> 02:25:23.319 I just assume it it's bullshit until it's proven otherwise, 2754 02:25:23.520 --> 02:25:27.479 you know, yea. So it's like we we just live 2755 02:25:27.520 --> 02:25:29.840 in that era too. And also, I mean, god, you 2756 02:25:29.959 --> 02:25:32.280 got the influencer wars coming or. 2757 02:25:32.479 --> 02:25:33.680 Going on at all times. 2758 02:25:33.760 --> 02:25:38.360 You know, You've got you know, against Puentes and like 2759 02:25:38.559 --> 02:25:40.600 all of these weird things going on, and it's like, 2760 02:25:40.760 --> 02:25:42.760 I don't pay attention to any of that. I keep 2761 02:25:42.840 --> 02:25:45.399 my nose in my books and you know, yelling at 2762 02:25:45.479 --> 02:25:48.479 my documentaries on my TV screen, you know. 2763 02:25:49.120 --> 02:25:51.959 But yeah, you know, it's it's just wild. 2764 02:25:52.200 --> 02:25:57.639 Like there's this metaphorical minefield of just all these traps everywhere, 2765 02:25:59.280 --> 02:26:03.719 and there is the truth there. But that's the whole reason, 2766 02:26:03.959 --> 02:26:06.600 like most of us got into this, right is because 2767 02:26:06.639 --> 02:26:10.440 we were being lied to, are being lied to, and 2768 02:26:10.799 --> 02:26:12.879 we're sick of it. We want to know what the 2769 02:26:12.959 --> 02:26:15.079 truth is, and so we start asking questions and we 2770 02:26:15.159 --> 02:26:18.120 start digging, and we start pulling that thread on that sweater, 2771 02:26:18.719 --> 02:26:23.840 and we start doing these things. But not everything is 2772 02:26:23.840 --> 02:26:28.000 a conspiracy, Like it's literally it can't be otherwise then 2773 02:26:28.120 --> 02:26:29.280 nothing is a conspiracy. 2774 02:26:29.719 --> 02:26:29.879 You know. 2775 02:26:30.319 --> 02:26:34.719 It's like, yes, I mean, okay, a conspiracy by definition, 2776 02:26:35.040 --> 02:26:39.799 two or more people are acting in secret to perform 2777 02:26:40.079 --> 02:26:44.959 or to create a nefarious act. It's like, of course 2778 02:26:45.040 --> 02:26:49.079 a conspiracy exists and tons of them do like to 2779 02:26:49.200 --> 02:26:53.600 think that they don't exist is the opposite side of absurd, 2780 02:26:53.920 --> 02:26:57.680 you know, But to think that everything is is also, 2781 02:26:58.200 --> 02:27:01.040 you know, the opposite side of the same coin. To 2782 02:27:01.159 --> 02:27:02.959 think that none of them exist and to think that 2783 02:27:03.120 --> 02:27:06.360 everything is is the same coin, and the truth is 2784 02:27:06.520 --> 02:27:07.559 somewhere right in the middle. 2785 02:27:08.719 --> 02:27:10.920 I think it's just going to be objectively difficult to 2786 02:27:11.000 --> 02:27:11.719 get to the truth. 2787 02:27:11.920 --> 02:27:15.920 You have generations that you know, like I said earlier, 2788 02:27:16.000 --> 02:27:19.079 it takes one hundred years for a narrative to change. Realistically, 2789 02:27:19.159 --> 02:27:20.799 it takes one hundred and fifty years, and you have 2790 02:27:20.879 --> 02:27:23.520 a complete different narrative depending on what you're being pushed 2791 02:27:23.559 --> 02:27:23.920 and fed. 2792 02:27:24.479 --> 02:27:27.479 And then you destroying documentation, changing. 2793 02:27:27.239 --> 02:27:30.159 It over time, doing it slowly where people don't really 2794 02:27:30.280 --> 02:27:33.000 understand that they're removing things from the books and that 2795 02:27:33.079 --> 02:27:36.719 they're changing books, rewriting them and then reproducing them or 2796 02:27:36.719 --> 02:27:39.680 putting out different versions of them. Same with TV shows 2797 02:27:39.719 --> 02:27:41.840 and things like that. You get to the point where 2798 02:27:42.479 --> 02:27:45.000 what is going to be the truth versus what is 2799 02:27:45.200 --> 02:27:48.200 really real is going to be really challenging to figure out. 2800 02:27:48.280 --> 02:27:52.879 Even with the academics because they are being taught one way, 2801 02:27:53.360 --> 02:27:56.159 and let's say, have access to old books and are 2802 02:27:56.200 --> 02:27:58.959 actually able to read books from a couple hundred years 2803 02:27:58.959 --> 02:28:03.040 ago that haven't been quote unquote messed with, then we're 2804 02:28:03.079 --> 02:28:05.159 gonna they're gonna be fed a different narrative too, And 2805 02:28:05.319 --> 02:28:07.520 so it's going to be just a cycle of what's 2806 02:28:07.559 --> 02:28:10.000 what and what's real? And I guess it's more or 2807 02:28:10.079 --> 02:28:12.799 less what do you believe and go from there, because 2808 02:28:13.120 --> 02:28:16.000 unless you're physically touching it with your own hands, you 2809 02:28:16.079 --> 02:28:18.399 aren't really going to be understanding what's real or not 2810 02:28:18.520 --> 02:28:21.280 because everybody's going to be fed a different narrative unfortunately. 2811 02:28:22.040 --> 02:28:24.319 Yeah. Right. The only pushback I would even say to 2812 02:28:24.440 --> 02:28:28.000 that is that traditionally it took one hundred years to 2813 02:28:28.040 --> 02:28:30.600 change the narrative. I would argue that these days it 2814 02:28:30.760 --> 02:28:34.639 happens way quicker because of the way information spreads these days, 2815 02:28:34.680 --> 02:28:38.440 because of the Internet, because of the court of public opinion. Right, So, 2816 02:28:39.040 --> 02:28:41.159 I mean looking at the print and press. When Gutenberg 2817 02:28:41.399 --> 02:28:44.760 invented that the people were starving for a new book 2818 02:28:44.799 --> 02:28:48.600 every six months, how often does our world get a 2819 02:28:48.799 --> 02:28:52.079 new post, a new website, a new something. You know 2820 02:28:52.120 --> 02:28:54.159 what I'm saying, so I would even say it will 2821 02:28:54.200 --> 02:28:55.760 take shorter than one hundred years. 2822 02:28:55.920 --> 02:28:56.799 But then we have AI. 2823 02:28:57.000 --> 02:29:00.879 Now that is so good, that just changing the narrative 2824 02:29:01.079 --> 02:29:04.079 of everything we see how most people can't even tell 2825 02:29:04.239 --> 02:29:07.040 what's real and what's fake. At this point, you're having 2826 02:29:07.200 --> 02:29:09.479 AI stamps on a lot of stuff because nobody can 2827 02:29:09.520 --> 02:29:10.600 tell what's actually real. 2828 02:29:10.840 --> 02:29:13.559 Right, And but that's the thing. You're gonna still have 2829 02:29:13.719 --> 02:29:15.159 people that remember a narrative. 2830 02:29:15.239 --> 02:29:17.799 One way, if you saw if ten people saw the 2831 02:29:17.879 --> 02:29:21.079 same accident happen, all ten people will say a completely 2832 02:29:21.079 --> 02:29:24.120 different narrative from each other. Within a matter of five minutes, 2833 02:29:24.159 --> 02:29:26.079 each one of them will tell you a different thing 2834 02:29:26.120 --> 02:29:29.319 that they saw, including what they were wearing, what happened, 2835 02:29:29.479 --> 02:29:32.520 what their faces looked like, what was involved, what color 2836 02:29:32.559 --> 02:29:35.200 of things were involved. And then you add that into 2837 02:29:35.520 --> 02:29:39.319 a giant scale versus all sorts of things that people 2838 02:29:39.360 --> 02:29:42.559 don't really spend their time actually reading into, you know, 2839 02:29:42.959 --> 02:29:46.479 just for example, like the most random thing tectonic plates. 2840 02:29:47.079 --> 02:29:51.120 There's an argument about how tectonic plates actually are moving 2841 02:29:51.639 --> 02:29:54.959 and which way. Everyone understands that they move at a 2842 02:29:55.079 --> 02:29:57.920 certain speed of time and they're shifting in certain ways, 2843 02:29:57.959 --> 02:29:59.920 and stuff like that, But there's an argument that they're 2844 02:30:00.239 --> 02:30:02.879 is like there is actual parts of it in the 2845 02:30:02.959 --> 02:30:06.200 ocean that is moving in different directions, and that why 2846 02:30:06.280 --> 02:30:09.399 they are moving different directions is because the earthcore itself 2847 02:30:09.760 --> 02:30:12.319 is actually shifting, and there's there's a whole bunch of things, 2848 02:30:12.360 --> 02:30:14.000 but most people aren't going to sit there and read 2849 02:30:14.000 --> 02:30:16.559 it unless you're actually nerding out and geeking out about that. 2850 02:30:17.159 --> 02:30:21.239 And you know, like the whole black Hole conversation with Luke. 2851 02:30:21.319 --> 02:30:23.680 He spends his time reading that kind of stuff, which 2852 02:30:23.680 --> 02:30:26.760 is one of our Patreon members, and he understands to 2853 02:30:26.879 --> 02:30:29.879 a level that most of us won't ever understand. And 2854 02:30:30.040 --> 02:30:33.879 so that alone is a conversation of like what does 2855 02:30:33.959 --> 02:30:36.000 it matter? Well, it does matter because when you look 2856 02:30:36.040 --> 02:30:40.120 at black holes, you're having three different actual time. Time 2857 02:30:40.200 --> 02:30:43.280 itself is completely different inside the black hole. And like 2858 02:30:43.360 --> 02:30:44.959 he sent me a whole bunch of articles that I'm 2859 02:30:45.000 --> 02:30:47.280 sitting here trying to I'm going to learn about so 2860 02:30:47.399 --> 02:30:51.200 that we can have this conversations because well, because I 2861 02:30:51.239 --> 02:30:55.000 actually I'm interested in this. But that's that's the same 2862 02:30:55.120 --> 02:30:57.639 thing is if people aren't interested in they're going to 2863 02:30:57.680 --> 02:31:00.040 take face value of what's being said to them. And 2864 02:31:00.120 --> 02:31:04.120 if the people see because I did archaeological dig sites whatever, 2865 02:31:04.559 --> 02:31:06.040 I was around with a lot of people that did 2866 02:31:06.200 --> 02:31:08.200 a ton of other sites that had been all over 2867 02:31:08.280 --> 02:31:10.879 the world, and I took in the information that they 2868 02:31:10.959 --> 02:31:13.639 were telling me because I wasn't physically there. I'm just 2869 02:31:13.719 --> 02:31:16.879 going off of what they saw, what they experienced trust them. 2870 02:31:17.399 --> 02:31:19.280 So you're gonna have to, Yeah, you have to trust 2871 02:31:19.520 --> 02:31:22.200 at least what they've ever saw. But then a lot 2872 02:31:22.280 --> 02:31:24.719 of this is being shipped off to a warehouse, So 2873 02:31:24.799 --> 02:31:27.000 that is going to be shipped off to another location 2874 02:31:27.159 --> 02:31:29.280 that then is going to be tested and we may 2875 02:31:29.360 --> 02:31:31.959 or may not get the information back about actually the 2876 02:31:32.040 --> 02:31:34.399 time and date and stamps and all of these things, and. 2877 02:31:34.479 --> 02:31:38.040 By then has it changed to see Jones warehouse and 2878 02:31:38.159 --> 02:31:39.159 it disappears forever. 2879 02:31:39.360 --> 02:31:41.959 And that's what I'm saying, like, there's you know, and 2880 02:31:42.000 --> 02:31:44.319 then who's ever funding that is the ones that are 2881 02:31:44.440 --> 02:31:47.040 actually keeping it, which is really interesting. The people that 2882 02:31:47.079 --> 02:31:49.680 are actually funding the big dig sites, they get say 2883 02:31:49.760 --> 02:31:52.239 over if they are taking it or not depending on 2884 02:31:52.360 --> 02:31:54.559 what it is, and they're what their contract is worked 2885 02:31:54.600 --> 02:31:56.920 out with the government, and so it all ties in 2886 02:31:57.120 --> 02:32:00.639 with what is the truth? Is the really what boils 2887 02:32:00.680 --> 02:32:03.879 down to the ultimate question when you look at all conspiracies, 2888 02:32:04.399 --> 02:32:05.639 what is the real truth? 2889 02:32:05.760 --> 02:32:08.280 And how are we ever going to determine. 2890 02:32:08.440 --> 02:32:08.879 What it is? 2891 02:32:09.840 --> 02:32:10.040 Yeah? 2892 02:32:10.159 --> 02:32:13.159 Right, So I want to kind of piggyback off of 2893 02:32:13.200 --> 02:32:18.760 what you said, because what you just said is actually 2894 02:32:18.840 --> 02:32:23.840 the reason why the narrative of false memory or false 2895 02:32:23.879 --> 02:32:30.799 memory syndrome has been so successful is because it specifically 2896 02:32:31.200 --> 02:32:36.399 I loved the car crash analogy because I use the 2897 02:32:36.440 --> 02:32:40.479 same thing also, So in addition to what you said, 2898 02:32:41.520 --> 02:32:45.600 you're right, people will argue about the details. Now, the 2899 02:32:45.680 --> 02:32:48.879 one thing they won't argue about typically, I mean today 2900 02:32:49.479 --> 02:32:51.879 these days with AI and everything is a little bit different. 2901 02:32:51.920 --> 02:32:55.040 But typically if you got three people or five people 2902 02:32:55.159 --> 02:32:57.719 that witness a car wreck, they will argue the details, 2903 02:32:57.799 --> 02:33:03.000 but they won't argue if the crash actually So that 2904 02:33:03.200 --> 02:33:07.479 is the benefit is that there there is a truth, 2905 02:33:07.879 --> 02:33:11.840 like for instance, and I think kind of to answer 2906 02:33:11.879 --> 02:33:13.760 the question, it's like, well, we've got to go back 2907 02:33:13.799 --> 02:33:17.239 to basics to answer the question of what is true, 2908 02:33:17.959 --> 02:33:20.319 and we start with what's right and what's wrong. You know, 2909 02:33:21.159 --> 02:33:24.159 murder wrong, you know, sexual assault wrong. 2910 02:33:24.399 --> 02:33:24.559 You know. 2911 02:33:24.719 --> 02:33:27.879 It's like you know, being a good person good, you know, 2912 02:33:28.079 --> 02:33:30.760 it's like, and then define what is good like. We 2913 02:33:30.879 --> 02:33:35.399 go from there and figure it out. But this is 2914 02:33:35.479 --> 02:33:39.520 why false memory syndrome has been such a successful narrative, 2915 02:33:40.600 --> 02:33:46.559 and also why disinformation is so successful. And even though 2916 02:33:47.040 --> 02:33:50.920 false memory syndrome started with, you know, the Satanic panic 2917 02:33:51.200 --> 02:33:55.959 and this sort of narrative, it's branched out to everything 2918 02:33:57.000 --> 02:33:59.959 because now all of a sudden, everyone has this under 2919 02:34:00.120 --> 02:34:02.959 standing that memories just not as good as it's supposed 2920 02:34:03.000 --> 02:34:03.159 to be. 2921 02:34:03.360 --> 02:34:05.360 Or it or that we think it is, that that's 2922 02:34:05.399 --> 02:34:05.719 a lie. 2923 02:34:06.239 --> 02:34:06.360 Right. 2924 02:34:07.360 --> 02:34:12.239 You know, yes, there are details that change over time, 2925 02:34:13.440 --> 02:34:17.879 but there's core memories that don't go anywhere. There's core 2926 02:34:18.280 --> 02:34:26.239 facts in your mind that don't change. For instance, like 2927 02:34:27.200 --> 02:34:31.680 my mother can remember that I was born. She might 2928 02:34:31.879 --> 02:34:35.319 not exactly remember what she ate that day, but she 2929 02:34:35.399 --> 02:34:36.360 can remember. 2930 02:34:36.120 --> 02:34:36.879 That I was born. 2931 02:34:37.000 --> 02:34:41.639 I promise you she remembers. I was gonna say I 2932 02:34:41.719 --> 02:34:43.840 was like as a woman. I guarantee if she remembers 2933 02:34:44.040 --> 02:34:45.440 exactly what she ated. 2934 02:34:45.600 --> 02:34:45.959 Pizza. 2935 02:34:46.799 --> 02:34:49.079 Yeah, it was pizza, And I actually remember the well, 2936 02:34:49.159 --> 02:34:51.680 I don't remember, but I remember telling me the blades 2937 02:34:51.719 --> 02:34:52.479 of where it came from. 2938 02:34:52.719 --> 02:34:53.479 That was that was me. 2939 02:34:53.600 --> 02:34:57.280 Honestly, I wanted pizza more than anything, period, period. And 2940 02:34:57.360 --> 02:34:59.520 that's exactly what I had two minutes after I gave 2941 02:34:59.600 --> 02:35:00.760 birth was a piece of pizza. 2942 02:35:01.319 --> 02:35:03.079 I mean, it is the best food ever created. 2943 02:35:03.200 --> 02:35:05.600 Let's I couldn't eat it for I couldn't eat my 2944 02:35:05.760 --> 02:35:07.840 entire pregnancy, So I want a pizza. 2945 02:35:09.319 --> 02:35:12.639 Sorry, sorry, I like totally thought about pizza then. Sorry. 2946 02:35:13.159 --> 02:35:14.600 No, no, you're good, You're good. 2947 02:35:15.040 --> 02:35:21.920 But you know, there's little details that will change, but 2948 02:35:22.120 --> 02:35:26.959 there's these core facts that won't. I think this is 2949 02:35:27.040 --> 02:35:32.559 partially the rollout of AI. Why we're rolling why it's 2950 02:35:32.600 --> 02:35:35.639 being rolled out to us, because these core facts will 2951 02:35:35.680 --> 02:35:40.000 get manipulated. Now now, people won't remember how to make 2952 02:35:40.000 --> 02:35:43.559 a paper airplane. I haven't made a paper airplane in 2953 02:35:43.680 --> 02:35:47.879 probably twenty twenty years, you know, but I guarantee give 2954 02:35:47.879 --> 02:35:49.440 me a piece of paper and I'll remember how to 2955 02:35:49.520 --> 02:35:53.280 do it. I haven't ridden a bike in ten fifteen years, 2956 02:35:53.360 --> 02:35:56.079 but I guarantee, give me a second, I'll remember how 2957 02:35:56.120 --> 02:35:58.840 to do it. You know, there are these core ideas 2958 02:35:59.360 --> 02:36:02.079 that do stay with us because we're human, right, It's 2959 02:36:02.239 --> 02:36:06.360 the ability to remember anything at all. The details might 2960 02:36:06.440 --> 02:36:13.200 be fuzzy some you know, peripheral details might change, but 2961 02:36:13.680 --> 02:36:18.719 ultimately the core idea, the core truth will stay the same. Right, 2962 02:36:19.319 --> 02:36:22.159 Your ability to remember how to ride a bike will 2963 02:36:22.200 --> 02:36:26.799 stay in excluding you know, extreme examples like you got 2964 02:36:26.879 --> 02:36:30.079 an accident, hitting the head or something, sure and you 2965 02:36:30.159 --> 02:36:33.120 know damage to that part of your brain. Outside of 2966 02:36:33.239 --> 02:36:37.600 these extreme examples, it's gonna stay the same. You might 2967 02:36:37.639 --> 02:36:40.479 be a little wobbly at first, but you're gonna get going. 2968 02:36:41.680 --> 02:36:44.479 But I think AI is actually going to destroy part 2969 02:36:44.559 --> 02:36:48.479 of these because now we're like, I'm sure you guys 2970 02:36:48.559 --> 02:36:52.799 remember having to remember phone numbers. We still have the 2971 02:36:52.879 --> 02:36:55.200 ability to do it, we just don't do it anymore. Right, 2972 02:36:56.559 --> 02:36:59.079 Our kids are not going to have the ability to 2973 02:36:59.159 --> 02:37:06.040 remember phone numbers, right, that's only one generation removed, and 2974 02:37:06.159 --> 02:37:10.399 they won't have the ability to do it. So I 2975 02:37:10.559 --> 02:37:13.479 think that this is partially why AI is being rolled out, 2976 02:37:13.600 --> 02:37:16.959 because it's more of a dependence upon the state or 2977 02:37:17.239 --> 02:37:21.680 upon the system. It's not even the state itself. Ultimately, 2978 02:37:21.799 --> 02:37:24.440 it comes down to the technocracy. Even though I hate 2979 02:37:24.479 --> 02:37:28.200 that term, thanks to Whitney Webb, I can't stand that term, but. 2980 02:37:30.600 --> 02:37:32.000 That is what it is, you know. 2981 02:37:32.159 --> 02:37:37.239 It's it's the state based upon technology, and because of that, 2982 02:37:37.760 --> 02:37:39.200 they want dependence upon that. 2983 02:37:40.719 --> 02:37:42.120 And They want us to not question it. 2984 02:37:42.440 --> 02:37:44.479 They want us to not be smart enough to overthrow 2985 02:37:44.520 --> 02:37:47.639 it or to change it or to manipulate it without 2986 02:37:47.680 --> 02:37:51.680 their approval. And I think that's what AI is going 2987 02:37:51.760 --> 02:37:56.040 to do. And I think this flooding of information is 2988 02:37:56.079 --> 02:37:59.479 also part of this, right, because you're right, we now 2989 02:37:59.559 --> 02:38:02.559 have all the information in the world at our fingertips, 2990 02:38:02.600 --> 02:38:05.239 but people are just dumber than ever. 2991 02:38:05.719 --> 02:38:06.760 How is that possible? 2992 02:38:07.479 --> 02:38:10.120 Yeah, idiocracy is becoming more and more of a real 2993 02:38:10.200 --> 02:38:12.799 life thing every day. I don't know when the last 2994 02:38:12.840 --> 02:38:16.799 time somebody went to a fast food joint and ordered 2995 02:38:16.840 --> 02:38:18.680 something like face to face, not through the not through 2996 02:38:18.719 --> 02:38:21.639 the speaker, but like actually walked up to the counter 2997 02:38:21.760 --> 02:38:24.239 and ordered something the person behind the counter and it's 2998 02:38:24.280 --> 02:38:26.760 something that's not really intricate, but just something that's a 2999 02:38:26.799 --> 02:38:30.559 little off the menu, like just can you change this 3000 02:38:30.719 --> 02:38:34.760 to this and do this? Uh, I don't know how 3001 02:38:34.799 --> 02:38:36.879 to do that, and they'll just kind of like fumble 3002 02:38:36.879 --> 02:38:39.239 around with the screen a little bit and just yeah, 3003 02:38:39.399 --> 02:38:43.559 it won't let me. So yeah, it's like, you know, 3004 02:38:43.840 --> 02:38:46.680 like just a few years ago that was just not 3005 02:38:46.840 --> 02:38:49.280 the case. That person would have been fired. And it's 3006 02:38:49.360 --> 02:38:52.520 like idiocracy is becoming more and more of a reality 3007 02:38:52.600 --> 02:38:57.799 every day, and especially look at the current administration. I'm 3008 02:38:57.840 --> 02:39:00.719 just I'm seeing more and more of Alonso Mountain, Dew 3009 02:39:00.799 --> 02:39:03.879 Camacho coming up in here. It's as the president. 3010 02:39:04.159 --> 02:39:07.520 I don't know, right, I agree. 3011 02:39:09.319 --> 02:39:13.200 I mean we've all been dumbed down right by design 3012 02:39:13.239 --> 02:39:16.559 in my opinion, Yeah, one hundred percent dumb down because, 3013 02:39:17.159 --> 02:39:19.200 like I said, they want us smart enough to run 3014 02:39:19.239 --> 02:39:22.319 the machines, not smart enough to question why we're running them. 3015 02:39:23.000 --> 02:39:25.680 Yeah, I feel like I've gotten smarter as I've gotten older. 3016 02:39:26.959 --> 02:39:29.239 Because you're an independent thinker, Raven. 3017 02:39:29.200 --> 02:39:31.040 I'm gonna be really honest with you, like if I 3018 02:39:31.120 --> 02:39:35.600 really think about me as a teenager verse now. No, 3019 02:39:36.000 --> 02:39:39.559 I was definitely blissfully like rose colored glasses, just kind 3020 02:39:39.600 --> 02:39:41.120 of vibing in my own world. 3021 02:39:42.000 --> 02:39:45.040 And then as I got older, the world shaped me 3022 02:39:45.120 --> 02:39:45.879 and more and more. 3023 02:39:46.040 --> 02:39:49.680 And I mean, I've always questioned things and never understood 3024 02:39:49.680 --> 02:39:51.399 why we did things the way we did because it 3025 02:39:51.479 --> 02:39:54.000 just didn't make any goddamn sense about why. I know, 3026 02:39:54.120 --> 02:39:57.360 we had logical sense, like why not do this this way? 3027 02:39:57.680 --> 02:40:00.799 It's easier and faster and more effective. And I never 3028 02:40:00.879 --> 02:40:04.280 could understand why people didn't think like this. It has 3029 02:40:04.440 --> 02:40:06.200 never made any sense to me, and then as an 3030 02:40:06.239 --> 02:40:10.120 adult it hasn't worked out very well for me sometimes. 3031 02:40:10.120 --> 02:40:14.479 But the individual is still brilliant. Right, It's the society 3032 02:40:14.520 --> 02:40:16.879 as the whole. It's the collective. I think have dropped 3033 02:40:16.879 --> 02:40:19.920 a few IQ points. And actually they actually did. 3034 02:40:20.000 --> 02:40:26.760 Change it too, yeah, right, so that the collective definitely 3035 02:40:26.920 --> 02:40:28.399 have dropped IQ points. 3036 02:40:30.159 --> 02:40:32.200 I mean, just spend a few minutes on TikTok to 3037 02:40:32.280 --> 02:40:32.559 see this. 3038 02:40:33.719 --> 02:40:36.040 See but I try my hardest not to believe that 3039 02:40:36.120 --> 02:40:39.559 that's really society. That's like what the Internet wants you 3040 02:40:39.680 --> 02:40:41.920 to believe. The society is a society. 3041 02:40:42.000 --> 02:40:43.559 It's part of society though. 3042 02:40:43.520 --> 02:40:46.120 But that's what society is looking at as the norm, 3043 02:40:46.360 --> 02:40:49.520 and that's the problem. Right, So, like American TikTok versus 3044 02:40:49.639 --> 02:40:52.920 Chinese TikTok is a perfect example of this. Chinese TikTok, 3045 02:40:53.000 --> 02:40:56.239 they're showing their people the best of humanity. They are 3046 02:40:56.799 --> 02:41:01.120 exalting these people who got crazy high IQ and these 3047 02:41:01.200 --> 02:41:03.719 great architects and all these things. They're trying to show 3048 02:41:04.000 --> 02:41:07.120 their society what the best can look like. Then we 3049 02:41:07.239 --> 02:41:10.799 look over to American TikTok, and that's what they want 3050 02:41:10.879 --> 02:41:13.719 the American people to idolize and it's like, yeah, this 3051 02:41:14.000 --> 02:41:17.159 is absolutely a part of the plan, right. 3052 02:41:17.840 --> 02:41:22.200 You know. I was thinking about this when Snap benefits 3053 02:41:22.280 --> 02:41:25.799 were you know, when everyone was talking about Snap right 3054 02:41:26.319 --> 02:41:29.319 because the government was shut down and everything. You know, 3055 02:41:29.559 --> 02:41:33.200 I was I'm still certain of this that all of 3056 02:41:33.319 --> 02:41:36.079 those are not all of them, but I would even 3057 02:41:36.159 --> 02:41:39.319 say maybe ninety percent of the videos of the people 3058 02:41:39.639 --> 02:41:42.000 coming out and saying, well, I'm just going to steal 3059 02:41:42.079 --> 02:41:46.639 my food, then nine of those videos were AI generated. 3060 02:41:47.399 --> 02:41:50.719 I could believe it. But also these people who were 3061 02:41:50.760 --> 02:41:53.719 admitting to it, if they get caught, that is the 3062 02:41:53.799 --> 02:41:56.200 evidence that they wouldn't need to be convicted. Like it 3063 02:41:56.319 --> 02:41:59.479 they're they're it's the same as those uh, those those 3064 02:41:59.639 --> 02:42:04.959 kids in different ghettos. They're like showing weapons on their videos. 3065 02:42:05.159 --> 02:42:08.680 They're like clearly modified and illegal. Then they get arrested 3066 02:42:08.760 --> 02:42:11.040 a week later and they're like, what proof do you have, 3067 02:42:11.159 --> 02:42:13.360 and it's like, here's the video you posted on your 3068 02:42:13.440 --> 02:42:16.719 TikTok last week or not TikTok, that's YouTube or whatever 3069 02:42:16.799 --> 02:42:20.959 the case. It's like you you incriminated yourself obviously, so 3070 02:42:21.559 --> 02:42:23.680 good job. You know. 3071 02:42:24.879 --> 02:42:26.319 I just think I just thought it was kind of 3072 02:42:26.399 --> 02:42:31.840 interesting because the conversation just turned really violent, you know, 3073 02:42:32.360 --> 02:42:34.959 around the snap stuff. It was like, I'll distill my food, 3074 02:42:35.399 --> 02:42:37.479 and then I saw the other side, well I'll shoot you. 3075 02:42:37.879 --> 02:42:38.639 It's like whoa. 3076 02:42:39.079 --> 02:42:42.239 Which I'm not saying that that's not the appropriate response. 3077 02:42:42.280 --> 02:42:46.319 I'm just saying, like, it took a real fast left turn. 3078 02:42:46.239 --> 02:42:46.399 You know. 3079 02:42:47.360 --> 02:42:51.079 And because it's on the cell phones, because it's on 3080 02:42:51.479 --> 02:42:56.879 our monitoring devices, it's it's on our tracking chips. That's 3081 02:42:56.920 --> 02:42:59.600 what made me think, like this is manufactured, you know, 3082 02:43:00.280 --> 02:43:02.920 because if somebody steals my food, you better believe that's 3083 02:43:03.000 --> 02:43:07.879 the appropriate response. It's just strange to me because anything 3084 02:43:07.959 --> 02:43:11.040 that comes out of the phone, I assume it's bullshit 3085 02:43:11.120 --> 02:43:14.639 until it's proven that it's not. You know, yeah, and 3086 02:43:14.760 --> 02:43:18.079 I think that's you know, what has led to me 3087 02:43:18.280 --> 02:43:21.280 being here and you guys having the outlook that you 3088 02:43:21.440 --> 02:43:24.799 do and us having a conversation like this is because 3089 02:43:25.000 --> 02:43:29.920 you're right, we are the independent thinkers. But not everyone 3090 02:43:29.959 --> 02:43:32.399 thinks like that. You know, everyone will look at their 3091 02:43:32.440 --> 02:43:36.319 phone and think that that's an accurate reflection of the 3092 02:43:36.440 --> 02:43:37.360 current world. 3093 02:43:37.559 --> 02:43:37.959 And it's not. 3094 02:43:38.879 --> 02:43:41.280 Especially with AI. I can't tell you how many clips 3095 02:43:41.319 --> 02:43:44.879 I've seen of and like, for instance, Rogan the number 3096 02:43:44.920 --> 02:43:48.079 one podcast on Earth, right, and if you have a 3097 02:43:48.200 --> 02:43:51.680 direct quote from him, you're gonna take it as a source. 3098 02:43:51.879 --> 02:43:54.159 Maybe not, he's only he's always right one hundred percent 3099 02:43:54.200 --> 02:43:56.000 of the time. But whenever you see a clip, you're 3100 02:43:56.040 --> 02:43:58.479 gonna know, Okay, Joe Rogan did say that, at least 3101 02:43:58.559 --> 02:44:01.040 on this episode with this person over the case. I 3102 02:44:01.200 --> 02:44:05.000 can't tell you how many AI video clips I've seen 3103 02:44:05.159 --> 02:44:09.319 of Rogan, because there's hours and hours and hours of 3104 02:44:09.399 --> 02:44:12.280 his voice and interviews with so many different people they 3105 02:44:12.319 --> 02:44:14.399 could clip together and piece together and make it sound 3106 02:44:14.479 --> 02:44:17.920 cohesive as fuck that he is promoting some product, and 3107 02:44:18.000 --> 02:44:20.399 he's even talked about that on his show. There's commercials 3108 02:44:20.440 --> 02:44:22.399 that he has never even been a part of, never 3109 02:44:22.440 --> 02:44:25.719 received a dime for using his likeness and using his 3110 02:44:25.959 --> 02:44:29.559 voice as if they have a sponsorship deal with Rogan, 3111 02:44:29.760 --> 02:44:31.319 and he has to like tell him to shut that 3112 02:44:31.399 --> 02:44:34.920 shit down. In the world of AI that we're living 3113 02:44:35.000 --> 02:44:37.760 in right now, you can't even take a direct source 3114 02:44:37.959 --> 02:44:43.239 as a direct source anymore. It's right ridiculous, yep, it is. 3115 02:44:43.719 --> 02:44:43.920 It is. 3116 02:44:44.479 --> 02:44:45.799 Welcome to twenty twenty six. 3117 02:44:45.680 --> 02:44:49.959 Everyone, No kidding, no kidding, Honestly, I'm here for it, 3118 02:44:50.399 --> 02:44:53.079 you know, Yeah, I'm I'm gonna do what I can 3119 02:44:53.159 --> 02:44:56.760 to fight back against it. Obviously, there's gonna come a 3120 02:44:56.799 --> 02:45:01.440 point when there's nothing we can really do. That's once again, 3121 02:45:01.520 --> 02:45:03.959 that's why I focus on this mind control stuff because 3122 02:45:03.959 --> 02:45:07.079 I think that's what it all comes back to, because 3123 02:45:07.639 --> 02:45:10.719 there's so many aspects to this where it's like they 3124 02:45:10.879 --> 02:45:13.000 want us to think that there's nothing true out there, 3125 02:45:13.639 --> 02:45:16.040 but there's there's going to be right, but they want 3126 02:45:16.120 --> 02:45:19.040 us to think that there's not, but there's going to 3127 02:45:19.120 --> 02:45:25.079 be always and you know, whatever the truth is that 3128 02:45:25.200 --> 02:45:28.319 the starting point right and what's good and what's bad, 3129 02:45:28.440 --> 02:45:32.840 I think is always just a good starting point. The 3130 02:45:33.000 --> 02:45:37.239 ultimate the these ultimate truths exist and they exist regardless 3131 02:45:37.280 --> 02:45:41.239 of where we're born, what time period we're in, how 3132 02:45:41.319 --> 02:45:44.239 much money you make, it doesn't matter. You know, there 3133 02:45:44.319 --> 02:45:46.520 are things that are good and there are things that 3134 02:45:46.600 --> 02:45:54.000 are bad morally, ethically, objectively. That's where my hope comes 3135 02:45:54.040 --> 02:45:55.920 from and all of this, and it's going to get 3136 02:45:55.959 --> 02:46:02.399 harder obviously. But we look to the past for one 3137 02:46:02.559 --> 02:46:05.799 because I you know, I had somebody get after me 3138 02:46:05.920 --> 02:46:10.760 one day for talking about the same old stories from 3139 02:46:10.840 --> 02:46:15.840 the fifties, the sixties, all of these things. It's like, well, 3140 02:46:15.879 --> 02:46:17.520 we need to keep looking at these I need to 3141 02:46:17.600 --> 02:46:20.399 keep repeating these things because it's going to make it 3142 02:46:20.520 --> 02:46:22.200 harder for them to be able to do this stuff 3143 02:46:22.239 --> 02:46:26.239 in the future, right, Like, we've got to be able 3144 02:46:26.280 --> 02:46:29.959 to keep talking about these things, like, yeah, the tactics 3145 02:46:30.000 --> 02:46:31.639 they used in the fifties are not going to be 3146 02:46:31.680 --> 02:46:32.879 the tactics they used today. 3147 02:46:32.920 --> 02:46:34.760 But that's not the point. That's not why we keep 3148 02:46:34.799 --> 02:46:36.200 talking about them, right. 3149 02:46:37.000 --> 02:46:39.000 We keep talking about the fact that they were mind 3150 02:46:39.040 --> 02:46:43.280 controlling people so that people realize that it's still happening today, 3151 02:46:43.639 --> 02:46:47.239 and then we can start parsing how are they doing 3152 02:46:47.280 --> 02:46:48.799 it today? What are the ways to be able to 3153 02:46:48.840 --> 02:46:52.760 do it today? And ultimately that's that's why I still 3154 02:46:52.799 --> 02:46:54.799 focus on these things. That's why I go through this 3155 02:46:54.920 --> 02:46:59.120 whole history now time period of the nineties, that's that's 3156 02:46:59.399 --> 02:47:01.600 the nineties in the early two thousands. It's been really 3157 02:47:01.639 --> 02:47:04.600 hard researching because the information is still classified or it's 3158 02:47:04.639 --> 02:47:05.200 not out yet. 3159 02:47:05.799 --> 02:47:08.600 But when you say it's not the same tactic, to 3160 02:47:08.680 --> 02:47:11.760 what level do you mean? Like, for instance, you've seen 3161 02:47:11.799 --> 02:47:15.440 the show mad Men, Oh yeah, that is a form 3162 02:47:15.479 --> 02:47:17.600 of mind control to get the public to buy a 3163 02:47:17.719 --> 02:47:21.760 product right cut to the nineties, the Got Milk campaign, 3164 02:47:22.200 --> 02:47:26.479 All of that came from the Dairy Dee, not DEI, 3165 02:47:27.079 --> 02:47:32.399 the d e M, the Dairy Management Institute DMI, Dairy 3166 02:47:32.479 --> 02:47:36.120 Management Institute, which was all government propaganda to pretty much 3167 02:47:36.159 --> 02:47:38.840 prop up the dairy industry because of this government subsidies 3168 02:47:38.879 --> 02:47:40.959 and stuff. And that's a whole other conversation. And I 3169 02:47:41.000 --> 02:47:44.559 would also argue that those same tactics, almost a one 3170 02:47:44.639 --> 02:47:47.079 to one translation, are still being used as far as 3171 02:47:47.120 --> 02:47:50.440 our ads today. So when you say that it's different 3172 02:47:51.000 --> 02:47:51.680 to what level. 3173 02:47:53.040 --> 02:47:57.879 So the core concepts of mind control or propaganda advertising, 3174 02:47:58.639 --> 02:48:02.360 those never changed, the concepts, the basics, which is why 3175 02:48:02.520 --> 02:48:06.479 reading Edward Burnet's is so important. Yeah, because those will 3176 02:48:06.680 --> 02:48:09.600 never change. That's why he's the Godfather for a reason. 3177 02:48:09.719 --> 02:48:09.840 You know. 3178 02:48:10.120 --> 02:48:12.360 It's like that will never change. 3179 02:48:12.600 --> 02:48:18.639 The fundamental principles of how our brains function we haven't changed. 3180 02:48:18.719 --> 02:48:24.760 So those aren't going to change. Understanding Pavlovs experiments are 3181 02:48:24.879 --> 02:48:30.360 still important because we as humans have not changed that much. However, 3182 02:48:31.040 --> 02:48:33.879 what has changed is a lot of things like how 3183 02:48:34.000 --> 02:48:35.239 we consume information. 3184 02:48:36.159 --> 02:48:37.840 Okay, so these. 3185 02:48:38.120 --> 02:48:43.120 Sorts of things, how information is disseminated, these sorts of 3186 02:48:43.200 --> 02:48:48.239 things is what has changed, so the way in which 3187 02:48:48.280 --> 02:48:53.840 it's delivered to us. So advertising has changed, right, but 3188 02:48:54.440 --> 02:48:58.360 the reason why advertising still works hasn't changed. 3189 02:48:58.799 --> 02:48:59.319 It's just. 3190 02:49:01.280 --> 02:49:05.440 Like, for instance, advertising looks like reels or tiktoks. 3191 02:49:05.520 --> 02:49:08.159 Now, you know, it's crazy. It's the craziest things I've 3192 02:49:08.200 --> 02:49:11.600 ever seen. It's like the advertising agencies are finally catching 3193 02:49:11.680 --> 02:49:16.639 up to memes and to like social media trends, and 3194 02:49:16.799 --> 02:49:19.920 it's I mean, they've been trying for a while, but 3195 02:49:20.200 --> 02:49:23.200 they always looked bad. They're finally catching up to where 3196 02:49:23.239 --> 02:49:23.959 it looks good. 3197 02:49:24.600 --> 02:49:24.760 Right. 3198 02:49:25.360 --> 02:49:27.600 And I've been tricked by some ads before where I 3199 02:49:27.760 --> 02:49:30.559 was like WHOA, Like that was an ad? When I 3200 02:49:30.600 --> 02:49:32.799 get to the end of it, you know, Yeah, So 3201 02:49:33.399 --> 02:49:35.840 it's that's That's what I mean that it's changed, that 3202 02:49:36.040 --> 02:49:39.040 the fundamental principles have not changed and they will not change. 3203 02:49:39.159 --> 02:49:41.520 Same with mind control, MK Ultra, all of this stuff, 3204 02:49:41.920 --> 02:49:44.959 which is why I still talk about the stories from 3205 02:49:44.959 --> 02:49:47.719 the fifties. I go back through the MK Ultra documents 3206 02:49:47.799 --> 02:49:50.079 because this stuff hasn't changed, it's not going to change, 3207 02:49:50.360 --> 02:49:54.239 but the way in which it's presented to us is 3208 02:49:54.399 --> 02:49:55.399 changing constantly. 3209 02:49:56.520 --> 02:49:57.479 Yeah, I agree. 3210 02:49:57.520 --> 02:50:03.680 They actually use anthropologists to help create better ads for people. 3211 02:50:04.000 --> 02:50:06.840 Now that was like one of the things that we 3212 02:50:07.120 --> 02:50:10.479 actually took a couple semesters on for my degree. I 3213 02:50:10.600 --> 02:50:13.520 had to do different types of ad, not just ad 3214 02:50:13.680 --> 02:50:17.040 it it was actually marketing using psychology and stuff, and 3215 02:50:17.600 --> 02:50:20.079 I found it really fascinating how they hire a lot 3216 02:50:20.159 --> 02:50:23.600 of anthropologists to be able to look at human history 3217 02:50:23.840 --> 02:50:27.559 and pretty much be able to promote it, because there's 3218 02:50:27.559 --> 02:50:30.840 always been promoting. First it was the door to door salesman. 3219 02:50:31.319 --> 02:50:33.360 Then it was listening to the radio and what they 3220 02:50:33.360 --> 02:50:35.680 would say on the radio. Then it became the television. 3221 02:50:35.760 --> 02:50:37.959 What they wanted on the television, you know, when you 3222 02:50:38.040 --> 02:50:40.719 got to watch your favorite shows and whoever was that 3223 02:50:40.879 --> 02:50:43.280 main character that people really loved, like in a Western 3224 02:50:43.360 --> 02:50:46.639 or something like that. Now it shifted to social media 3225 02:50:47.159 --> 02:50:50.200 and how they have constant ads that run. We as 3226 02:50:50.280 --> 02:50:53.639 the nineties kids had the commercials that consistently played between 3227 02:50:53.719 --> 02:50:55.680 all of our shows that we would. 3228 02:50:55.399 --> 02:50:56.360 Watch all the time. 3229 02:50:56.479 --> 02:50:59.920 Then, especially during you know, Black Friday holiday season, would 3230 02:51:00.079 --> 02:51:01.639 see all of that, and then they would send out 3231 02:51:01.680 --> 02:51:04.040 the add articles to everybody so you would get them 3232 02:51:04.079 --> 02:51:05.399 in the mails, so you got to see all the 3233 02:51:05.479 --> 02:51:08.000 toys that you wanted and you'd circle the toys and 3234 02:51:08.079 --> 02:51:08.760 that kind of stuff. 3235 02:51:09.079 --> 02:51:12.479 It's just shifted over time. It's not gone anywhere. 3236 02:51:12.680 --> 02:51:15.840 It's gotten better, I would say, in some ways because 3237 02:51:15.879 --> 02:51:18.200 it's been it's faster to be able to get to 3238 02:51:18.280 --> 02:51:21.159 people now. But I don't think it's changed at all. 3239 02:51:21.520 --> 02:51:24.319 I think that they've just used different tactics over time. 3240 02:51:24.840 --> 02:51:26.879 Of you know, way back in the day, they would 3241 02:51:26.879 --> 02:51:29.520 have the street vendors and you'd have somebody hustling that 3242 02:51:30.040 --> 02:51:33.959 and whoever, you know, for the Victorian era, whoever. 3243 02:51:33.879 --> 02:51:36.799 Was the most class in society would shift the what 3244 02:51:36.959 --> 02:51:37.719 people were wearing. 3245 02:51:38.200 --> 02:51:41.040 That's a form of propaganda and ads as well too, 3246 02:51:41.120 --> 02:51:43.760 because people would go and painter to them, and then 3247 02:51:43.840 --> 02:51:46.399 they would be the ones that showed everyone else, well, 3248 02:51:46.479 --> 02:51:48.440 this is what you need, This is what we need 3249 02:51:48.520 --> 02:51:50.200 to do as a society as a group. 3250 02:51:50.719 --> 02:51:52.920 Yeah right, wow. 3251 02:51:54.200 --> 02:51:57.959 You know that kind of reminds me of the in 3252 02:51:58.040 --> 02:52:01.680 the nineteen eighties cartoon UNEs that the government stepped in 3253 02:52:01.799 --> 02:52:05.000 and said that cartoons actually had to have a message 3254 02:52:05.360 --> 02:52:09.879 right to kids. So because for a while the seventies, 3255 02:52:10.000 --> 02:52:13.319 like a lot of those cartoons were really just advertisements, 3256 02:52:13.680 --> 02:52:18.360 you know, right, And I mean they they turned into 3257 02:52:18.399 --> 02:52:21.239 advertisements again in the nineties. I still don't care if 3258 02:52:21.239 --> 02:52:26.120 the nineties cartoons are the best. Yeah, but in the 3259 02:52:26.200 --> 02:52:28.399 eighties there there always had to be a message, so 3260 02:52:28.600 --> 02:52:32.000 like g I Joe or whatever, you know, Captain Planet 3261 02:52:32.079 --> 02:52:36.799 for yeah, Captain Planet. Captain Planet is a perfect sample 3262 02:52:37.200 --> 02:52:41.159 propaganda all the way through the same same. I loved it, 3263 02:52:41.760 --> 02:52:43.319 but if you go back and watch it now, it's 3264 02:52:43.399 --> 02:52:48.600 like really anti human messaging, like you know, humans are 3265 02:52:48.719 --> 02:52:52.360 terrible and they're destroying the planet and everything, like it's yeah. 3266 02:52:52.760 --> 02:52:54.959 And then they had that was like a whole dei 3267 02:52:55.200 --> 02:52:57.799 situation even for the time frame, like you had the 3268 02:52:57.920 --> 02:53:01.520 ginger kid, the blonde the the black kid, the Asian kid, 3269 02:53:01.639 --> 02:53:04.079 and by the combined powers, you get the blue guy 3270 02:53:04.120 --> 02:53:06.120 in a red speedo with green hair, and it's like, 3271 02:53:06.319 --> 02:53:09.559 sure does this run that one back? All right? Like ThunderCats, 3272 02:53:09.840 --> 02:53:12.040 Oh ThunderCats. Well, the messaging on that one was a 3273 02:53:12.079 --> 02:53:14.840 little different or he Man. 3274 02:53:16.399 --> 02:53:23.719 Yeah, scalatur I like skuwy Doo as a kid, I 3275 02:53:23.799 --> 02:53:29.879 mean frag rock hell, yeah, couraged the Cowardly Dog when 3276 02:53:29.879 --> 02:53:31.719 it was in the nineties, is my gams. 3277 02:53:31.760 --> 02:53:33.520 See that's when they got back to listen. Maybe we 3278 02:53:33.600 --> 02:53:35.559 don't need a message for kids, because my ship was 3279 02:53:35.719 --> 02:53:38.079 ed ed Nettie. There was not a goddamn message for 3280 02:53:38.200 --> 02:53:42.040 children there except hustle for a dollar bill, which all 3281 02:53:42.120 --> 02:53:45.600 things considered, probably did more to our detriment for going 3282 02:53:45.680 --> 02:53:48.600 to be real teaching kids to be scam artists and ship. 3283 02:53:48.799 --> 02:53:50.879 But all right, fine, okay. 3284 02:53:50.920 --> 02:53:55.799 Right, yeah, it's it's really interesting. But I mean it's 3285 02:53:56.079 --> 02:53:58.520 just funny because like, at a certain point, there were 3286 02:53:58.959 --> 02:54:03.360 cartoons that were secifically made just to sell toys. Yeah, 3287 02:54:03.959 --> 02:54:08.879 that's it, you know, And so like the cartoon wouldn't 3288 02:54:08.879 --> 02:54:13.879 even exist other than to sell toys. So it's just 3289 02:54:14.079 --> 02:54:18.920 like a twenty minute advertisement, which is crazy to think 3290 02:54:18.959 --> 02:54:20.920 of it. It's so I mean, you guys mentioned you 3291 02:54:21.040 --> 02:54:24.760 just talked about Brenees, and it's like the very fact 3292 02:54:24.959 --> 02:54:30.040 that Americans eat bacon for breakfast is because of him. 3293 02:54:31.079 --> 02:54:32.040 Yeah, same me. 3294 02:54:32.959 --> 02:54:36.959 I can't think of anything more American than bacon, eggs 3295 02:54:37.040 --> 02:54:42.239 and toast. You know, the traditional American diner breakfast is 3296 02:54:42.319 --> 02:54:44.879 because of him. It's it's an advertising campaign, and I 3297 02:54:44.959 --> 02:54:46.440 can't think of anything more American. 3298 02:54:46.520 --> 02:54:50.639 So it's like, you know what else we're welied to about? 3299 02:54:51.040 --> 02:54:51.799 Almost everything? 3300 02:54:52.120 --> 02:54:52.319 Yeah? 3301 02:54:52.399 --> 02:54:56.120 Yeah, almost everything? 3302 02:54:57.159 --> 02:55:01.680 J The Jetsons were crazy. Flintstones were also crazy. That 3303 02:55:01.799 --> 02:55:04.360 was the first TV show where they had a husband 3304 02:55:04.399 --> 02:55:07.719 and wife in bed together. Before that, the husband and 3305 02:55:07.719 --> 02:55:09.680 wife were always in separate beds. And it was okay 3306 02:55:09.719 --> 02:55:12.440 because it was just a cartoon. And it's like that 3307 02:55:12.680 --> 02:55:16.799 was like the beginning of the unwholesomeness of television, and 3308 02:55:16.879 --> 02:55:19.719 it's like, the Flintstones are pretty damn wholesome. But that 3309 02:55:19.920 --> 02:55:22.319 was it had to start slow. Yoh, they all died. 3310 02:55:23.040 --> 02:55:24.959 They were cavemen. Of course they all died. 3311 02:55:25.159 --> 02:55:25.280 Man. 3312 02:55:25.399 --> 02:55:27.840 Then when that happened, that that was rough. 3313 02:55:28.000 --> 02:55:30.600 But I mean the Jetsons, though, that was such an 3314 02:55:31.120 --> 02:55:33.440 if you really think about how long ago they've been 3315 02:55:33.799 --> 02:55:36.920 telling us that they're going to implement robots into our 3316 02:55:37.000 --> 02:55:39.760 daily lives, and they're going to take care of our kids, 3317 02:55:39.799 --> 02:55:42.159 and they're going to be doing all this stuff. As 3318 02:55:42.280 --> 02:55:44.639 a child seeing that, I mean that. But that show 3319 02:55:44.760 --> 02:55:48.280 was created. It wasn't in the sixties. It was technically created, 3320 02:55:48.600 --> 02:55:50.920 and then it got its revival again in the eighties 3321 02:55:51.000 --> 02:55:53.399 and it played for like, I think nine or ten 3322 02:55:53.479 --> 02:55:56.600 years somewhere along the lines of that in the eighties 3323 02:55:56.680 --> 02:56:00.200 to ninety, like early ninety ninety one or something. So 3324 02:56:00.559 --> 02:56:03.520 you had multiple generations that grew up on this that 3325 02:56:03.879 --> 02:56:07.920 watched it, and then now you shift forward to hear, well, yeah, 3326 02:56:08.000 --> 02:56:10.920 we already grew up with all this idea of technology 3327 02:56:11.159 --> 02:56:14.200 being our friend, being the one that's going to be 3328 02:56:14.239 --> 02:56:16.239 around and help us when our parents are away. 3329 02:56:16.760 --> 02:56:16.920 You know. 3330 02:56:17.200 --> 02:56:19.200 Now we're here and it's like, oh, yeah, I mean 3331 02:56:19.239 --> 02:56:21.000 it's not a big deal. It'll just it will help 3332 02:56:21.120 --> 02:56:22.159 us be better parents. 3333 02:56:23.040 --> 02:56:25.799 Yeah, I mean, do you guys remember the propaganda in 3334 02:56:25.879 --> 02:56:28.959 the nineties about computers and home computers and yeah, like 3335 02:56:29.440 --> 02:56:32.280 how revolutionary it was going to be, and like how 3336 02:56:32.399 --> 02:56:34.079 exciting exciting. 3337 02:56:34.319 --> 02:56:37.680 We got a gateway computer because my mom had a 3338 02:56:37.760 --> 02:56:40.879 really high up corporate job and so to be able 3339 02:56:40.959 --> 02:56:43.920 to work at home. They were like, you really should 3340 02:56:43.959 --> 02:56:46.680 get this dial up computer, you know, a gateway computer. 3341 02:56:47.200 --> 02:56:49.200 And I remember we went and we stood in line 3342 02:56:49.239 --> 02:56:49.879 and all this stuff. 3343 02:56:49.920 --> 02:56:51.600 I mean they were really expensive, but they gave her 3344 02:56:51.639 --> 02:56:54.440 a cute one because she had such a high up position. 3345 02:56:55.000 --> 02:56:57.840 And so we got this dial up computer and all 3346 02:56:57.920 --> 02:57:01.280 this stuff, and I really didn't use it. The only 3347 02:57:01.319 --> 02:57:03.159 thing that there was a game that we played that 3348 02:57:03.319 --> 02:57:06.120 we both liked that was about learning how like it 3349 02:57:06.239 --> 02:57:08.280 was She's a really good speller. My mom's like an 3350 02:57:08.319 --> 02:57:11.200 immaculate and speller. Me I'm I'm dyslex it, so I'm dumb. 3351 02:57:11.280 --> 02:57:14.959 So I'm like, I can't spell where the ship and 3352 02:57:15.079 --> 02:57:17.479 so like we played like games like that, but I 3353 02:57:17.559 --> 02:57:20.440 mean I really didn't use it. I remember the first 3354 02:57:20.479 --> 02:57:24.719 paper I wrote with help from the computer was in 3355 02:57:25.479 --> 02:57:27.600 like almost the end of seventh grade. Beginning of eighth 3356 02:57:27.639 --> 02:57:33.120 grade we got to use like the Wikipedia, but even. 3357 02:57:32.959 --> 02:57:35.520 Then we when that was a source, that was a source. 3358 02:57:35.639 --> 02:57:38.520 Yeah, it was technically a source and then but it 3359 02:57:38.639 --> 02:57:41.120 was hard because we had like I've never looked up 3360 02:57:41.159 --> 02:57:43.799 stuff before. But yeah, that was the first time we 3361 02:57:43.879 --> 02:57:46.559 ever used it. And our library was full of books. 3362 02:57:46.600 --> 02:57:49.399 I mean we had a tiny I had one one 3363 02:57:49.559 --> 02:57:52.600 student group for like my seventh grade. I went to 3364 02:57:52.680 --> 02:57:56.280 a tiny little school. So it's just it's just weird 3365 02:57:56.360 --> 02:57:59.280 how technology is now when you have introducing a first 3366 02:57:59.319 --> 02:58:01.840 grader to detechnology instead cut too. 3367 02:58:02.159 --> 02:58:06.559 Only last September did they take dial up offline. That's 3368 02:58:06.600 --> 02:58:11.360 gone now, which that's that was the cutting edge of 3369 02:58:11.799 --> 02:58:16.360 home internet for at the time a good decade. I 3370 02:58:16.479 --> 02:58:18.920 hated waiting for it. Oh man, that was that was 3371 02:58:19.000 --> 02:58:19.440 so bad. 3372 02:58:21.360 --> 02:58:21.879 Just the sound. 3373 02:58:21.879 --> 02:58:23.799 I can hear the sound in my head right now. 3374 02:58:24.200 --> 02:58:25.920 As soon as you said the word dial up, I. 3375 02:58:25.959 --> 02:58:26.239 Heard the. 3376 02:58:28.280 --> 02:58:30.760 That's that was the song of a generation. And these 3377 02:58:30.840 --> 02:58:33.319 kids will never know it, right. 3378 02:58:34.079 --> 02:58:37.319 Not having to hold your Walkman together, like your Walkman together, 3379 02:58:37.479 --> 02:58:40.799 your CD disc and wrapping your headphones around it because 3380 02:58:40.840 --> 02:58:42.520 it was skipping and trying to get it to where 3381 02:58:42.559 --> 02:58:43.280 it doesn't skip. 3382 02:58:44.440 --> 02:58:47.959 They don't understand the struggle anti skip technology. 3383 02:58:48.120 --> 02:58:51.399 Like once that came out, it was just like wor changing. 3384 02:58:52.360 --> 02:58:55.680 These kids will never understand the insane jump that went 3385 02:58:55.719 --> 02:58:58.479 from carrying around a Walkman to having an m P 3386 02:58:58.680 --> 02:59:01.760 three player that could hold four forty fucking songs. 3387 02:59:01.840 --> 02:59:02.639 I never got one. 3388 02:59:03.440 --> 02:59:05.120 I never did either, but my friend did and he 3389 02:59:05.120 --> 02:59:07.959 would always like share his chord with me so I 3390 02:59:08.000 --> 02:59:11.760 could like listen to but like forty songs? What was 3391 02:59:11.840 --> 02:59:12.680 that was insane? 3392 02:59:12.760 --> 02:59:15.600 I think I've always been anti technology though, I'm gonna 3393 02:59:15.639 --> 02:59:18.399 be really honest with you. I was hardcore into watching 3394 02:59:18.520 --> 02:59:20.719 movies like Terminator and stuff when I was growing up, 3395 02:59:21.159 --> 02:59:23.280 and I got a CD player and I stuck with 3396 02:59:23.360 --> 02:59:26.280 that bitch forever. Hell, I even put a CD player 3397 02:59:26.399 --> 02:59:28.319 in my truck just so I had it and know 3398 02:59:28.360 --> 02:59:30.959 how pissed off I am still that I own a vehicle. 3399 02:59:31.200 --> 02:59:31.360 Now. 3400 02:59:31.520 --> 02:59:33.120 This is the first pehicle I've ever owned in my 3401 02:59:33.239 --> 02:59:35.719 life that's a year old that doesn't have a CD 3402 02:59:35.840 --> 02:59:36.280 player in it. 3403 02:59:37.399 --> 02:59:39.639 I feel some type of way sings to your phone. 3404 02:59:39.799 --> 02:59:42.120 Now I have a CD collection. 3405 02:59:42.399 --> 02:59:45.399 I feel some type of way about this, thank you. 3406 02:59:46.079 --> 02:59:48.959 I never have been about technology, though, like I could 3407 02:59:49.000 --> 02:59:51.200 have cared less when I came up to the States 3408 02:59:51.239 --> 02:59:53.479 at twenty six and everyone had iPhones. I kind of 3409 02:59:53.520 --> 02:59:55.719 just kept looking at people and I was like, why 3410 02:59:55.760 --> 02:59:57.559 do we need these phones? Why can't we just like 3411 02:59:57.879 --> 02:59:58.600 talk to each other. 3412 02:59:59.040 --> 03:00:01.319 I don't know, as I'm and about it. I'm also 3413 03:00:01.440 --> 03:00:03.719 trying to build a vinyl collection as of this moment, 3414 03:00:03.799 --> 03:00:06.000 So like I'm I'm talking out of both sides of 3415 03:00:06.040 --> 03:00:07.360 my mouth. I suppose, you know. 3416 03:00:07.520 --> 03:00:10.319 I've always has been more about the old school stuff. 3417 03:00:10.319 --> 03:00:12.520 But I was also raised honestly with old people, and 3418 03:00:12.639 --> 03:00:14.799 so I've always been about the old people life. 3419 03:00:15.280 --> 03:00:18.760 So and I'm all about it, and hey, you know, 3420 03:00:19.600 --> 03:00:24.040 there's some technology I do like. So I'm I'm kind 3421 03:00:24.079 --> 03:00:26.120 of one of those people that, like I like looking 3422 03:00:26.159 --> 03:00:29.360 towards the future. I like cool tech, right, I mean, 3423 03:00:29.399 --> 03:00:32.000 I'm sitting here with a roadcaster, you know, I love 3424 03:00:32.079 --> 03:00:35.920 this thing. Yeah, And I found a piece of technology today. 3425 03:00:36.000 --> 03:00:39.200 It's like at this wearable AI thing you like wear 3426 03:00:39.280 --> 03:00:42.239 on your chest and it's a camera and it tracks 3427 03:00:42.319 --> 03:00:45.399 your habits and based upon your habits, it recommends to 3428 03:00:45.520 --> 03:00:48.079 you how to change to better your habits each day. 3429 03:00:49.200 --> 03:00:51.559 And that thing kind of freaks me out. But then 3430 03:00:51.639 --> 03:00:54.000 I found out that it saves all the information to 3431 03:00:54.120 --> 03:00:56.120 the device and it doesn't connect to the Internet. 3432 03:00:56.520 --> 03:00:57.840 I had a hard time believing that. 3433 03:00:58.719 --> 03:01:02.360 So it's native, well, because you're the one that builds it. So, 3434 03:01:04.959 --> 03:01:07.440 I mean because to actually connect to the Internet, it 3435 03:01:07.440 --> 03:01:09.639 would actually have to go like you would have to 3436 03:01:09.719 --> 03:01:11.079 connect it to the internet. 3437 03:01:12.559 --> 03:01:15.399 But so it stays on the device. 3438 03:01:15.520 --> 03:01:19.239 You can choose whether it will like if you wear 3439 03:01:19.280 --> 03:01:22.600 it around people, you can choose whether it will blur 3440 03:01:22.719 --> 03:01:26.879 their faces or not. And it's like, that's the craziest 3441 03:01:26.879 --> 03:01:29.600 thing I've ever seen. And it's got safe mode where 3442 03:01:29.639 --> 03:01:35.399 it actually won't record, like it won't save the data 3443 03:01:35.520 --> 03:01:39.639 to the device itself. And it's just like, so there 3444 03:01:39.719 --> 03:01:43.600 are people out there right that does see the benefit 3445 03:01:43.719 --> 03:01:44.479 to technology. 3446 03:01:44.680 --> 03:01:47.600 Now I'm with you. My first thought was like bullshit. 3447 03:01:48.239 --> 03:01:51.760 Yeah, I'm calling myself new age amish. I think the 3448 03:01:52.399 --> 03:01:55.040 technology should stop at the Internet and I'm good with 3449 03:01:55.319 --> 03:01:58.440 just being here. AI. Hey, now listen, that's that new 3450 03:01:58.559 --> 03:02:00.239 fan dangled you know. 3451 03:02:01.120 --> 03:02:01.280 You know. 3452 03:02:01.799 --> 03:02:05.440 All I'm saying is, you know, maybe Uncle Ted shouldn't 3453 03:02:05.440 --> 03:02:08.079 have done what he did, but maybe people should live 3454 03:02:08.079 --> 03:02:10.000 in a way that they don't end up on his list. 3455 03:02:10.799 --> 03:02:11.040 Yeah. 3456 03:02:11.840 --> 03:02:14.079 Yeah, you guys have seen those rings that you can 3457 03:02:14.159 --> 03:02:15.799 wear that track all your stuff too. 3458 03:02:16.120 --> 03:02:17.680 They're like three hundred dollars rings. 3459 03:02:17.840 --> 03:02:18.760 That freaks me out. 3460 03:02:19.000 --> 03:02:24.120 Yeah, my ex husband has one and I look at health. Yeah, 3461 03:02:24.120 --> 03:02:26.159 it's all it's a health thing that you can get 3462 03:02:26.559 --> 03:02:28.639 and I was like, what's on your finger and he's like, yeah, 3463 03:02:28.680 --> 03:02:31.079 it's just like super fancy rings. So we looked it 3464 03:02:31.159 --> 03:02:32.959 up and he was talking all he was telling me 3465 03:02:33.040 --> 03:02:35.399 all about it and it's some kind of fancy ring. 3466 03:02:37.000 --> 03:02:39.239 Yeah, so you wear it day and night. 3467 03:02:39.520 --> 03:02:41.559 It's kind of like the Apple Watch, except this thing 3468 03:02:41.680 --> 03:02:44.159 does all sorts of stuff and it like tracks all 3469 03:02:44.239 --> 03:02:47.360 your it's for your health technically, and it tracks all 3470 03:02:47.479 --> 03:02:50.719 of your biometrics and it stores it and you can 3471 03:02:50.799 --> 03:02:53.079 look at the data and you can figure out what 3472 03:02:53.280 --> 03:02:55.760 it originally like. So it's for the people that do 3473 03:02:56.200 --> 03:02:58.920 bodybuilding too. But that's what he is is he did 3474 03:02:58.959 --> 03:03:01.200 bodybuilding at one point, and so he was wearing it 3475 03:03:01.319 --> 03:03:03.600 because he was getting back into it and one of 3476 03:03:03.680 --> 03:03:05.360 his coaches wanted him to wear it to get the 3477 03:03:05.399 --> 03:03:08.639 biometrics to be able to break down. You know, when 3478 03:03:08.719 --> 03:03:10.719 you need to be optimizing your sleep, when do you 3479 03:03:10.799 --> 03:03:12.760 need to be working out, how is it working? 3480 03:03:12.920 --> 03:03:13.920 You know all of these things. 3481 03:03:14.559 --> 03:03:17.079 But I'm like, you're wearing something that's tracking you twenty 3482 03:03:17.159 --> 03:03:20.280 four to seven. It's that's kind of like the whole gig. 3483 03:03:20.399 --> 03:03:22.959 My mom bought me in two different Apple watches. Well 3484 03:03:23.000 --> 03:03:24.319 she gave me when you bought me one and I 3485 03:03:24.399 --> 03:03:25.680 was like, Mom, what am I going to do with this? 3486 03:03:26.159 --> 03:03:27.760 She's like, wear it. It's amazing. 3487 03:03:27.799 --> 03:03:30.840 I'm like, so you're getting comfortable being tagged twenty four 3488 03:03:30.879 --> 03:03:32.719 to seven because it's the easiest thing to do. 3489 03:03:32.920 --> 03:03:35.680 Mention the radiation, you know, And I know people are 3490 03:03:35.719 --> 03:03:37.680 going to say, well, your phone's track you at all times. 3491 03:03:37.600 --> 03:03:39.879 Less I the phone is tracking us at all times. 3492 03:03:39.920 --> 03:03:40.600 This is true. 3493 03:03:40.760 --> 03:03:43.600 And I haven't never not understood that this thing is 3494 03:03:43.680 --> 03:03:44.920 being tracked all the time. 3495 03:03:45.719 --> 03:03:49.360 But that's the thing or downgrading, you know, dude, the 3496 03:03:49.479 --> 03:03:52.000 plamshell is looking more and more appealing by the day. 3497 03:03:52.120 --> 03:03:53.799 Oh no, they got the sidekick back. 3498 03:03:53.879 --> 03:03:56.440 But it's really cool now they have like it opens 3499 03:03:56.520 --> 03:03:59.840 up and then it folds open to like it yes, 3500 03:04:00.120 --> 03:04:03.040 it it closes and then it opens like this, and 3501 03:04:03.159 --> 03:04:06.360 it's actually like a sidekick, but it's it's this whole 3502 03:04:06.479 --> 03:04:10.319 screen thing that's all touching. I will say, it's pretty cool. 3503 03:04:10.760 --> 03:04:12.040 It got my millennial heart. 3504 03:04:12.239 --> 03:04:14.120 I gotta I gotta look into this because I've seen 3505 03:04:14.399 --> 03:04:16.479 one of my former co workers. He had one of 3506 03:04:16.479 --> 03:04:19.239 those foldable screens. Yeah right, but he's like, yeah, but 3507 03:04:19.319 --> 03:04:22.079 it's only good for like five thousand opens and closed. 3508 03:04:22.120 --> 03:04:23.600 Then you got to get a replace. And I'm like 3509 03:04:23.680 --> 03:04:27.200 what what huh? Why would you do that? And I 3510 03:04:27.239 --> 03:04:29.840 think that was like the first iteration of a foldable screen. 3511 03:04:29.840 --> 03:04:31.719 I'm sure they've come a long way since the more 3512 03:04:31.840 --> 03:04:33.799 now it's like, so what the fuck? 3513 03:04:34.399 --> 03:04:37.399 I mean, there's some cool technology, like yeah. 3514 03:04:37.280 --> 03:04:38.079 Right, there is. 3515 03:04:38.399 --> 03:04:42.639 I mean they're just objectively is, but there's also like 3516 03:04:42.959 --> 03:04:45.959 scary technology at the same time. And the problem is 3517 03:04:46.079 --> 03:04:48.840 is it's like not everyone has the best of intentions 3518 03:04:49.239 --> 03:04:53.200 for other people or humanity as a whole. And that's 3519 03:04:53.239 --> 03:04:56.319 my problem with technology. It's it's not the technology itself. 3520 03:04:56.360 --> 03:05:01.200 It's because I know, once Pandora's box is opened, that's it. Yes, yes, 3521 03:05:01.559 --> 03:05:04.920 and that's my problem. It's just like humans in mass 3522 03:05:05.239 --> 03:05:06.559 usually can't be trusted. 3523 03:05:07.440 --> 03:05:07.680 Dude. 3524 03:05:07.799 --> 03:05:10.040 Not to say that good people don't exist, because they do. 3525 03:05:10.200 --> 03:05:14.159 I think good people are the majority of people, but 3526 03:05:14.719 --> 03:05:18.639 the bad people are still powerful enough to do terrible 3527 03:05:18.719 --> 03:05:20.719 things with it and then worshcreped Dude. 3528 03:05:20.760 --> 03:05:24.079 I use the shopping cart example all the time when 3529 03:05:24.120 --> 03:05:26.840 people are like, well, humans are inherently good in nature, 3530 03:05:26.959 --> 03:05:30.879 that's inherently not true. Look at any Walmart parking lot. 3531 03:05:31.040 --> 03:05:34.239 If everybody was inherently good natured, then we would never 3532 03:05:34.360 --> 03:05:36.120 have a straight shopping cart in the middle of the 3533 03:05:36.159 --> 03:05:39.319 parking lot. Unfortunately, there are so many people out here 3534 03:05:39.360 --> 03:05:41.159 that don't give a fuck, and there are so many 3535 03:05:41.200 --> 03:05:43.799 people that truly do. And I'm not saying if you 3536 03:05:43.879 --> 03:05:45.799 don't put your shopping cart back then you're a heathen 3537 03:05:45.840 --> 03:05:48.920 and aren't fit for society. I'm saying you might be that. Yeah, 3538 03:05:48.959 --> 03:05:52.319 I'm saying you might be. It depends, But and I'm 3539 03:05:52.319 --> 03:05:54.159 also not saying that if you put your shopping cart 3540 03:05:54.280 --> 03:05:56.959 back then you're obviously a saint, like I'm saying you 3541 03:05:57.079 --> 03:06:00.879 might be. But my point is even that's a perfect example. 3542 03:06:00.920 --> 03:06:03.399 You're gonna gain nothing from putting the shopping cart back. 3543 03:06:03.760 --> 03:06:06.040 You're gonna lose nothing from not putting it back, but 3544 03:06:06.159 --> 03:06:09.479 it's something that you should do. You know how this goes, 3545 03:06:10.319 --> 03:06:12.159 And that's what happens wh people are left to their 3546 03:06:12.200 --> 03:06:14.600 own devices. And that's why I'm not a You said 3547 03:06:14.600 --> 03:06:17.319 that you're a pure anarchist, right, and I could understand 3548 03:06:17.360 --> 03:06:22.000 the heart the idea of pure anarchy, where everybody does 3549 03:06:22.200 --> 03:06:25.719 what they need to do for themselves without harming anyone else. 3550 03:06:25.760 --> 03:06:29.120 And like I understand that premise, I'm saying that humanity 3551 03:06:29.280 --> 03:06:31.959 can't handle that because that requires a level of personal 3552 03:06:32.040 --> 03:06:34.680 responsibility that most humans are not okay with. 3553 03:06:35.520 --> 03:06:35.680 Right. 3554 03:06:36.239 --> 03:06:39.399 Well, that that's why I'm not a I don't, you know, 3555 03:06:41.239 --> 03:06:45.440 promote anarchy as like the practicality of it, because the practicality, 3556 03:06:45.920 --> 03:06:49.319 I mean, pure anarchy is a utopian ideal, right right, 3557 03:06:50.239 --> 03:06:54.600 but yeah, it's totally well, And that's the shopping cart 3558 03:06:54.719 --> 03:06:59.959 theory is exactly why anarchy can't work because some people 3559 03:07:00.159 --> 03:07:03.600 don't put their cards back. You know, this is a 3560 03:07:03.680 --> 03:07:05.920 plain and simple because you're right, you don't get anything 3561 03:07:06.719 --> 03:07:11.920 for doing either, right, But the whole point of it's 3562 03:07:11.959 --> 03:07:14.399 the example of whether you can self govern. 3563 03:07:16.000 --> 03:07:16.319 That's it. 3564 03:07:16.680 --> 03:07:18.600 The laws don't exist for the people that are putting 3565 03:07:18.600 --> 03:07:20.760 their shopping carts back. The laws exist for the ones 3566 03:07:20.799 --> 03:07:21.200 that don't. 3567 03:07:22.120 --> 03:07:26.399 Exactly well, and here that's a fundamental misunderstanding of anarchy, 3568 03:07:26.440 --> 03:07:29.479 and a bunch of left anarchists would argue with me 3569 03:07:29.559 --> 03:07:33.719 about this. Anarchy is not against hierarchies, right, because there's 3570 03:07:33.719 --> 03:07:37.440 such thing as legitimate force and illegitimate force, right, And 3571 03:07:37.799 --> 03:07:43.360 in my opinion, anarchy is against illegitimate force, not legitimate 3572 03:07:43.479 --> 03:07:48.799 force so or legitimate authority. Even because just because we 3573 03:07:48.959 --> 03:07:53.000 would have anarchy one day, that employees' only sign is 3574 03:07:53.120 --> 03:07:55.920 not going to lose its power, right, Most people are 3575 03:07:55.959 --> 03:07:58.879 not going into the back of a store that said, 3576 03:07:59.040 --> 03:08:01.440 you know, past the sign that says employees only, Like 3577 03:08:01.520 --> 03:08:03.639 that sign is not going to lose its power just 3578 03:08:03.639 --> 03:08:07.879 because you know, we don't have government one day. So 3579 03:08:08.879 --> 03:08:11.719 I think there's a case to be made where people 3580 03:08:12.040 --> 03:08:15.280 can obviously govern themselves to a point, but obviously we 3581 03:08:15.399 --> 03:08:18.079 have to have law and order, because like, no law 3582 03:08:18.239 --> 03:08:19.639 in order is absurd. 3583 03:08:19.760 --> 03:08:20.600 That is chaos. 3584 03:08:21.559 --> 03:08:25.520 You know, chaos is unacceptable for any sort of society. 3585 03:08:25.879 --> 03:08:30.239 But this is also why it's the Great American Experience Experiment, 3586 03:08:30.360 --> 03:08:34.520 because I mean, our founding fathers, regardless of what anyone's 3587 03:08:34.559 --> 03:08:38.319 opinion is of them, I have my own. They believe 3588 03:08:38.479 --> 03:08:42.520 that the common man could govern themselves, and I think, 3589 03:08:42.879 --> 03:08:45.920 you know, I tend to believe that there is enough 3590 03:08:46.040 --> 03:08:48.639 people that we can. That doesn't mean that we do 3591 03:08:48.719 --> 03:08:50.239 it without restrictions though. 3592 03:08:50.440 --> 03:08:54.920 Yeah, no, absolutely so, Jacob, we appreciate you coming on 3593 03:08:55.040 --> 03:08:58.399 this episode. If you could please give yourself the shameless plug. 3594 03:08:58.440 --> 03:09:01.159 Where can all the good cult members find you your content? 3595 03:09:01.239 --> 03:09:03.840 Where could they dm you all the things and the stuff? 3596 03:09:05.120 --> 03:09:07.120 Yeah, so the best place you can find me is 3597 03:09:07.159 --> 03:09:11.200 my masterlink right now. It is all my links dot com, 3598 03:09:11.799 --> 03:09:16.520 forward slash, Rise to Liberty or pretty much anywhere Rise 3599 03:09:16.600 --> 03:09:20.040 to Liberty. So the most active places I'm on is 3600 03:09:20.120 --> 03:09:25.680 on x Telegram and Instagram, also YouTube, rumble Odyssey. All 3601 03:09:25.760 --> 03:09:30.079 the places you can, you know, donate to me flat out. 3602 03:09:30.120 --> 03:09:33.079 I've got to buy me a coffee. I've got a cofi, 3603 03:09:34.239 --> 03:09:36.200 I've got all the places you can also head on 3604 03:09:36.280 --> 03:09:38.920 over to Rise Tooliberty dot store and pick up a 3605 03:09:39.120 --> 03:09:44.159 sweet piece of merch. I am completely one, listener and 3606 03:09:44.360 --> 03:09:45.120 fan funded. 3607 03:09:45.639 --> 03:09:45.799 You know. 3608 03:09:46.079 --> 03:09:49.200 I don't take donations from large companies. I don't do 3609 03:09:49.319 --> 03:09:53.280 any of that. I wanted to take like the PBS route, 3610 03:09:53.319 --> 03:09:55.239 but also not take money from the government. 3611 03:09:55.319 --> 03:09:55.479 You know. 3612 03:09:55.760 --> 03:10:00.159 I wanted to actually be viewer and listener funded to 3613 03:10:00.239 --> 03:10:02.879 let people know that there's still an independent voice out there. 3614 03:10:03.000 --> 03:10:05.280 That's why, you know, with my show and stuff, I 3615 03:10:05.399 --> 03:10:08.079 kind of like leave the mistakes in to let people 3616 03:10:08.159 --> 03:10:11.239 know I'm not AI, you know. Yeah, it's like I 3617 03:10:11.360 --> 03:10:13.760 leave the little blurbs or when I can't pronounce a 3618 03:10:13.799 --> 03:10:16.680 word or whatever, I leave that stuff in. But that's 3619 03:10:16.719 --> 03:10:19.520 where you can find me pretty much anywhere. Rise to 3620 03:10:19.600 --> 03:10:23.079 Liberty or Rise to Liberty Pod, and that's that's where 3621 03:10:23.120 --> 03:10:29.079 I'll be. I do shows Monday, Wednesday and Friday Wednesdays 3622 03:10:29.159 --> 03:10:32.680 or my Satanic Panic is Real series and that's going 3623 03:10:32.760 --> 03:10:35.079 to go on for hundreds and hundreds of episodes. So 3624 03:10:35.639 --> 03:10:37.840 come on over and check it out and hop in 3625 03:10:37.879 --> 03:10:38.200 the chat. 3626 03:10:38.559 --> 03:10:40.479 Hell yeah, thank you so much for coming on. 3627 03:10:40.600 --> 03:10:46.000 It's been great absolutely for all the good Call members. Dude, 3628 03:10:46.000 --> 03:10:47.159 We're gonna have to do this again here. 3629 03:10:47.120 --> 03:10:49.520 Soon for real, anytime, anytime. Let me know. 3630 03:10:49.799 --> 03:10:51.200 For all the good col members, I would like to 3631 03:10:51.239 --> 03:10:52.840 get their starting the buying and selling and trading of 3632 03:10:52.879 --> 03:10:54.600 gold and silver bullyon. Go to the linkol in the 3633 03:10:54.680 --> 03:10:58.200 description below to cocsilver dot com. Talk to your financial advisor. 3634 03:10:58.239 --> 03:11:00.200 Talk to your CPA and ask them if they leave 3635 03:11:00.280 --> 03:11:02.719 silver and gold is a wise investment for your future 3636 03:11:03.079 --> 03:11:04.680 once they tell you the truth on the matter. We 3637 03:11:04.719 --> 03:11:07.399 hope to see you over at cecsilver dot com once 3638 03:11:07.479 --> 03:11:09.959 gain link in the description below. But another way you 3639 03:11:09.959 --> 03:11:11.479 can support the show and let the good cult members 3640 03:11:11.479 --> 03:11:13.520 around the world know what you think about this episode 3641 03:11:13.559 --> 03:11:16.000 would be too Please hit the five stars, hit the 3642 03:11:16.000 --> 03:11:17.920 Shares of Life, subscribe as the comments, leave a post, 3643 03:11:17.959 --> 03:11:19.760 leave review, and shares with their friends and family shares 3644 03:11:19.799 --> 03:11:22.000 if we're here's the deal. The more activity the algorithm 3645 03:11:22.000 --> 03:11:24.120 sees across all of our listening platforms, the more we 3646 03:11:24.159 --> 03:11:26.559 get promoted, more potential listeners who could then become potential 3647 03:11:26.600 --> 03:11:28.719 cult members. O there as see you finalizing, gentlemen, why 3648 03:11:28.760 --> 03:11:30.680 you're ready to go? Check out metamistics Jonathan show and 3649 03:11:30.680 --> 03:11:32.000 get in the same love respect over there with the 3650 03:11:32.040 --> 03:11:34.239 five star reviews and the positivity in the comments. Come 3651 03:11:34.360 --> 03:11:36.280 check out The Cajun Night and come join each of 3652 03:11:36.360 --> 03:11:38.399 us for our individual Patreon lives that we host every 3653 03:11:38.399 --> 03:11:41.040 Wednesday night, nine pm Central. And go check out Rise 3654 03:11:41.079 --> 03:11:43.920 to Liberty podcasts on all of his platforms and give 3655 03:11:44.000 --> 03:11:47.239 him the same love and respect. Let's boost these algorithms, people, 3656 03:11:47.280 --> 03:11:49.079 and we thank you for everybody's already gone and done so. 3657 03:11:49.399 --> 03:11:51.639 And with all of this being said, this was another 3658 03:11:51.680 --> 03:11:54.920 beautiful episode of the Cult of Conspiracy and I am 3659 03:11:54.959 --> 03:11:57.680 the Caju Knight and ravingly and there's one very important, 3660 03:11:57.680 --> 03:11:59.639 stremely vital piece of information we need you to learn 3661 03:11:59.760 --> 03:12:01.680 just as soon as humanly possible. 3662 03:12:03.079 --> 03:12:03.120 That