Speaker 1: Oh that's are Hello and welcome to the show.
Speaker 2: This is the Cult of Conspiracy and I am the
Speaker 2: Cage to night, I'm Raving Lee. And today we have
Speaker 2: one a newie, but as soon to be homeboy. I'm
Speaker 2: gonna be honest with you. I was gonna say a newie,
Speaker 2: but a goodie. But you know it's a newbie but
Speaker 2: soon to be a homeboy. Everybody. Welcome Jacob from Rise
Speaker 2: to Liberty Podcast, my brother. Thank you for coming on
Speaker 2: the show this evening.
Speaker 3: Yeah, of course, thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 3: It's a true blessing to be here.
Speaker 2: Appreciate that, man, absolutely. So how long have you been
Speaker 2: into the content creation space? How long has the pod
Speaker 2: been up and running?
Speaker 4: So let's see, I just passed four years.
Speaker 3: Yeah, although I've only been like covering the parapolitical conspiracy
Speaker 3: research stuff for like a year and a half, I
Speaker 3: was doing third party politics before that, and you know,
Speaker 3: I was super involved in my local libertarian party stuff
Speaker 3: like that.
Speaker 2: When you said third party, I had to ask, next,
Speaker 2: what was that party? Libertarians? Although I do like where
Speaker 2: they're coming from, the Libertarian party is also eating itself
Speaker 2: alive from the inside out from in fighting and it's like, y'all,
Speaker 2: y'all kind of missing the point here.
Speaker 3: Right, yeah, right, well, And I mean I'm a hardcore anarchist,
Speaker 3: you know, and so that was kind of where I
Speaker 3: came from. But I was in charge of a county party.
Speaker 3: I was in charge of communications for a state party,
Speaker 3: you know, so I had like heavy influence and could
Speaker 3: could influence a really cool state party, which I did
Speaker 3: and still do, you know, to a smaller degree. But
Speaker 3: it's just I don't like the state, you know. So
Speaker 3: I have a big issue with that. Not that I
Speaker 3: don't believe in rule of law, because I do, but
Speaker 3: it's it's just I don't believe that you can act
Speaker 3: ethically in an unethical system, and so, you know, fighting
Speaker 3: it from a different angle nowadays, you know, like getting
Speaker 3: my house in order, getting the chemicals out of my house,
Speaker 3: you know, making my own laundry detergent, making sure my
Speaker 3: family eats non poisoned food, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, which is really important act in that way. It's
Speaker 2: very important. But a lot of people don't even realize
Speaker 2: how much work is involved with that because out loud,
Speaker 2: that sounds so easy, right, It's you just make a
Speaker 2: couple of things you're just cooking good foods. It's like, no, no, no,
Speaker 2: have you read any of the labels like this takes
Speaker 2: an insane amount of work to do the very basics
Speaker 2: on your own.
Speaker 5: Launder Desurgent's pretty easy to make, but it's a lot
Speaker 5: of the other stuff when you actually start going through
Speaker 5: your entire house. I was watching a holistic person that
Speaker 5: was like, look, you're going to start here, and it's
Speaker 5: going to take you at least five solid years to
Speaker 5: even get to the point where you can get the
Speaker 5: majority of stuff out of your house, because we've been
Speaker 5: so accustomed to everything that we have in our houses
Speaker 5: that is actually poisoning us from all different types of ways.
Speaker 5: And so it's a lot more work than what people
Speaker 5: really understand, like your shampoo, your conditioners, your even your
Speaker 5: toilet paper, which is a Your toilet paper.
Speaker 6: Has a ton of chemicals intols.
Speaker 5: Yeah, paper towels, I actually do reusable paper towels are bleached.
Speaker 4: All paper products are bleached.
Speaker 3: And then you start looking at the food and everything
Speaker 3: is poisoned in one every or another. And you know,
Speaker 3: my personal opinion though, is that that's where the front
Speaker 3: line of this whole like tyrannical system.
Speaker 4: Is it's in our house.
Speaker 3: So that's where we've got to be fighting it.
Speaker 2: I hear it is.
Speaker 6: It is quite difficult with the food let alone. Well
Speaker 6: I do.
Speaker 5: I do reusable paper towels, and I have a lot
Speaker 5: of reusable things and stuff like that in my house.
Speaker 5: And people always come over and look at me because
Speaker 5: I have jars of you know, reusable paper towels.
Speaker 2: All over the place.
Speaker 5: But they like but they were made with it. Well,
Speaker 5: they're supposed to be put back on the roll. I
Speaker 5: did it for a year. I got lazy and so
Speaker 5: I put them back in the jar.
Speaker 2: So I'm not talking. It's really thin rags that you
Speaker 2: use the paper.
Speaker 5: Towel, yeah, but then them But then I have other
Speaker 5: like just rags because I actually just my mom is
Speaker 5: the one that's like, I need paper towels and when
Speaker 5: I come down, so I have paper towels for her.
Speaker 5: But otherwise I don't really like to keep paper towels
Speaker 5: in my house. But it's kind of crazy though, because
Speaker 5: then you try to get or you know, organic or
Speaker 5: non bleached toilet paper, and it's crap. Honestly, A lot
Speaker 5: of them aren't very well, aren't very good, I will say,
Speaker 5: like replacing your toothbrushes with bamboo tooth brushes. Like there
Speaker 5: are a lot of really cool groups that are on
Speaker 5: Instagram that are actually reusable, recyclable and environmental friendly groups
Speaker 5: that you can replace a lot of your stuff with
Speaker 5: and they teach you. They have actual guides to teach
Speaker 5: you how to make a lot of this stuff yourself.
Speaker 5: It's my little pet project too. I actually really enjoy
Speaker 5: that stuff, and it's a slow, slow transition. It is
Speaker 5: so hard because I went so hardcore into it right
Speaker 5: away and I burnt myself out way too fast because
Speaker 5: it was just like, oh my gosh, I'm trying to
Speaker 5: raise all these kids and trying to do all these
Speaker 5: things and trying to make all my own product. It's
Speaker 5: just so much easier. So I've learned how to go
Speaker 5: slow about doing it. But like you know, a little garden,
Speaker 5: I'm looking at compost bin. That's my next goal for
Speaker 5: the summer is getting my compost bin up and running.
Speaker 2: So I hear you when you say this.
Speaker 3: That's the problem too, right, is because it's all supposed
Speaker 3: to be convenience. That's really how we have gotten to
Speaker 3: where we are is convenience. Yes, And it's just like
Speaker 3: it is a hell of a lot more convenient to
Speaker 3: just go to the grocery store and buy something that
Speaker 3: is pre made there or to you know, so many
Speaker 3: people run to McDonald's, you know, for dinner, and I
Speaker 3: get it. That's how it was sold to the American
Speaker 3: people initially, and convenience has just kind of taken over
Speaker 3: our lives. And unfortunately that is the downside. But that's
Speaker 3: like part of this whole like American lie. Some people
Speaker 3: call it the American dream.
Speaker 4: I disagree.
Speaker 3: I don't think that that's what the American dream was
Speaker 3: or is. But it's the whole rat race thing.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 3: It's like, oh, we're always just so busy all the time,
Speaker 3: and there's so much slow.
Speaker 4: Down, you know.
Speaker 5: Yeah, the slowing down aspect is really hard for I
Speaker 5: mean even for myself. I mean, my lord, I think
Speaker 5: we spent all day working on social media stuff and
Speaker 5: working on posts and doing this, also cleaning the house
Speaker 5: and I'm putting away you know, I'm doing all these
Speaker 5: other things, and so it's definitely a.
Speaker 2: I will say that when when I started working for myself,
Speaker 2: I got way way fucking busier, Like legitimately, there's only
Speaker 2: twenty four hours on the day. Man, When I was
Speaker 2: working twelve hour rotating shifts, Yeah that sucked, don't get
Speaker 2: me wrong, But I had downtime, like I would be
Speaker 2: expected to come home and just do a couple of
Speaker 2: little things here and there, and like that was gonna
Speaker 2: be it for the day. Now, man, six hours of
Speaker 2: sleep sounds like a fucking wet dream at this point, like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, you.
Speaker 6: Know what I really want to do.
Speaker 5: I've actually never made my own sour I'm gonna be
Speaker 5: the white person right here, a sourdough starter.
Speaker 2: But you're such a white woman. Look, you know what
Speaker 2: I want.
Speaker 5: Mad, because I want to make my own I actually
Speaker 5: really like sourdough.
Speaker 6: I actually I have a sourdam.
Speaker 5: I have a bread machine that my mom and my
Speaker 5: grandma got from KVC way.
Speaker 2: Back in the day.
Speaker 5: I don't really shit, yeah, I don't know if you
Speaker 5: well know what that is, but I have a really
Speaker 5: cool bread machine, and I have the manual and everything
Speaker 5: in my grandma passed I got it and I'm like, okay, I'm.
Speaker 6: Gonna use it.
Speaker 5: And then I was just looking at it the other
Speaker 5: day and like, okay, I really need to actually do this.
Speaker 5: Maybe not the sour dough, because I don't know if
Speaker 5: I have the patience to wait on this bitch to rise.
Speaker 5: But I can at least use the bed machine, the
Speaker 5: bread machine.
Speaker 3: Start with like Irish soda bread. Okay, like three ingredients
Speaker 3: and it's super easy. You just throw it like. You
Speaker 3: don't have to wait for it to rise or anything.
Speaker 3: You just like literally mix it up. It's kind of
Speaker 3: a wet, shaggy dough. Okay, throw it in a bread pan,
Speaker 3: throw it in the oven. You can have it ready
Speaker 3: for dinner. I mean, it's super easy and it's it's
Speaker 3: absolutely amazing.
Speaker 4: So Irish soda bread is.
Speaker 5: A good I'm gonna have to look into it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a great starting bread for anyone that wants
Speaker 3: to start doing the whole bread thing.
Speaker 5: I actually bought my daughter she wanted indoor hydropronic gardens
Speaker 5: for Christmas. So now she has a mini greenhouse and
Speaker 5: an actual, yeah, an actual higher opponent garden that's gonna
Speaker 5: be producing food for her throughout the year.
Speaker 6: So when it comes to.
Speaker 5: Gardening, I really love gardening. My dad had had a
Speaker 5: big green thumb. Cooking is not the place that I
Speaker 5: enjoy I'm not terrible at it, but it's not my jam.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna be honest with you. I'd rather be outside
Speaker 5: working with my hands than in the house doing things
Speaker 5: like that.
Speaker 2: I like both. I love cooking, it's.
Speaker 6: Just not my jam.
Speaker 5: So it's like, well, my dad was a really big
Speaker 5: cook and my mom loves a cook, and so between
Speaker 5: the two of them, they were always the ones cooking.
Speaker 5: I was outside doing all the chores and all of
Speaker 5: that stuff, and I'm like, yeah, I like to be outside.
Speaker 6: I like to be outdoors, and.
Speaker 5: Then I'm sitting in the kitchen, I'm like, oh my god,
Speaker 5: I don't want to do all this. So trying to
Speaker 5: find ways to incorporate the being like fresh garden that
Speaker 5: way I could just kind of like chop it up
Speaker 5: and this is what I'm eating has been the most
Speaker 5: beneficial for me at least, cause, yeah, I don't like
Speaker 5: to stand her own cook.
Speaker 6: I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 2: So with all that you're talking about making your own
Speaker 2: materials so to speak, as far as your house concerned,
Speaker 2: and like y'all are both saying to get started in that,
Speaker 2: it takes a lot of work. You baby step it,
Speaker 2: But I mean, how many steps before you're basically running
Speaker 2: your own self sufficient farm, you know what I mean, Like,
Speaker 2: you're pretty much there. Do you have a farm that
Speaker 2: you're running right now? Are you working that way?
Speaker 7: No?
Speaker 3: No, that's that that is the direction we are working. Yeah,
Speaker 3: so I mean it's only a matter of time. We're
Speaker 3: talking quails chickens. You know, got the whole thing.
Speaker 6: So chickens are pretty easy though.
Speaker 3: Right, Well, in the same with quails too, because you
Speaker 3: can have a you can have more quails per square
Speaker 3: foot than you can chicken, Yes you can. They're quieter
Speaker 3: and everything. But I love both, so we're getting both.
Speaker 2: But their eggs are so much smaller though. Yeah, but
Speaker 2: they're so good. But quailies actually sell more.
Speaker 3: Right They also lay like fourteen a day.
Speaker 5: What like, Yeah, they lay a whole bunch of days,
Speaker 5: so they're actually more beneficial when you do the cost
Speaker 5: analysis and.
Speaker 2: You can sell them for more. I had no idea.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I have buddies that have.
Speaker 2: A whole bunch of cells are the way to go,
Speaker 2: like starting out, They really are. My brother had quails,
Speaker 2: but he couldn't keep them bitches alive that you had
Speaker 2: had minks. They he had minks, He had coons, He
Speaker 2: had a couple of different predators, the chickens. He had
Speaker 2: a couple of roosters out there, and they pretty much
Speaker 2: handled it up on the chicken hawks and ship.
Speaker 3: But the quails geese are the ones that fight back,
Speaker 3: and if you raise them together, then the geese actually
Speaker 3: think that they're chickens. No ship, so yeah, and then
Speaker 3: the yeah they are there.
Speaker 5: So I just I just watched one take on this
Speaker 5: massive hawk and beat the dog shit out of it.
Speaker 5: On Instagram, I was like, my sister got, I actually gott.
Speaker 5: This is a weird, random story. But I got into
Speaker 5: a fight with the geese before, and it was because
Speaker 5: my son was little and we were walking up towards
Speaker 5: the pond.
Speaker 2: He was nowhere near it.
Speaker 5: This scene comes out of nowhere and here I am
Speaker 5: holding my kid up all the way. Well, I'm like
Speaker 5: like Street Spartan kicking this geese. I'm like, you were
Speaker 5: gonna die today, you bitch. And I have had a
Speaker 5: hatred to geese since that day, and every time we.
Speaker 2: See geese, my son's like, no, I'm not going here.
Speaker 2: They make guns like you didn't carry.
Speaker 5: I was in the apartment complex, like I was. It
Speaker 5: was like a sunny day. It was like nine o'clock
Speaker 5: in the morning.
Speaker 3: I mean, you could still spartan kick it.
Speaker 6: I did.
Speaker 5: I really spartan kicked the crab out the thing and
Speaker 5: was it was a whole vibe.
Speaker 2: I had bites all over my leg.
Speaker 5: I'm not gonna kill my kid today because my sister
Speaker 5: got bit in the face really bad, cut her whole
Speaker 5: eye open and all this stuff she had have stitches.
Speaker 2: They're mean, they're mean, mean. Yeah.
Speaker 3: But to answer your question, I'm so, I'm from Utah,
Speaker 3: born and raised, and that's that's where I'm at now.
Speaker 2: Okay, So now amongst the mountains, were you brought up
Speaker 2: in the Church of Latter day Saints? Oh yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: So you are you considering yourself a mountain Jew these
Speaker 2: days or no? So?
Speaker 3: I long story short. You know, I left the church
Speaker 3: about thirteen years old. I had a really bad experience
Speaker 3: with an elder member, and then I went through the
Speaker 3: whole teenage rebellion for sure, and then about my early twenties,
Speaker 3: I actually became a Leaveyan Satanist and was a Satanist
Speaker 3: for about ten years, and then just recently, like within
Speaker 3: the last i'd say four five years I left Satanism
Speaker 3: and found my way back to Christ, so I earned them.
Speaker 3: I'm not LDS now, I'm kind of just figuring things out,
Speaker 3: kind of looking the Orthodox route. But you know, I'm
Speaker 3: kind of just baby stepping my way through the whole
Speaker 3: thing and just putting my feelers out there, seeing what
Speaker 3: feels right.
Speaker 2: So I hear that your story as far as having
Speaker 2: a bad experience with an elder, and I'm not going
Speaker 2: to ask you to get into the details of it,
Speaker 2: but we have heard so many horror stories to every
Speaker 2: direction you want to go with that. For the record
Speaker 2: of abuses suffered at the hands of the LDS church,
Speaker 2: this seems to be a recurring theme. There seems to
Speaker 2: be way more people leaving the Mormonism than like running
Speaker 2: towards it. So I hear this, and then yes, you
Speaker 2: went to Levey in Satanism. So this isn't by definition
Speaker 2: worship of the dark Lord. It's more like self worship
Speaker 2: with some like edgy darkness from what I can remember.
Speaker 3: Learning about it kind of, I mean it started out
Speaker 3: as you know, edgy atheism. Yeah, but also I was
Speaker 3: attracted to the whole not necessarily like becoming my own God.
Speaker 4: But like the idea of like ultimate liberty.
Speaker 3: Sure, sure, that was just that was the whole idea
Speaker 3: was very attractive to me at the time. I considered
Speaker 3: myself an ethical egoist, you know, Okay, I actually derived
Speaker 3: pleasure from like making my friends and family happy and
Speaker 3: doing right by them. So a belief to like Satanism
Speaker 3: actually worked well for me. You know, I wasn't out
Speaker 3: there being a dirt bag. Well I mean I was,
Speaker 3: but not yeah, you know, not not because of the
Speaker 3: belief system, not like some of the other people I met.
Speaker 2: Is that teenage angst right, So.
Speaker 3: You know it worked for me, you know I was,
Speaker 3: but I was living the you know, sex, drugs, and
Speaker 3: rock and roll lifestyle, you know, totally all about it.
Speaker 2: But that's another movement that's eating itself alive from the
Speaker 2: inside out from infighting. You you just have a knack
Speaker 2: for finding these crews, dude.
Speaker 4: I do.
Speaker 5: I do.
Speaker 3: And it's interesting because I don't, like I always stick
Speaker 3: out because I'm always like super independent. So like with
Speaker 3: with the whole Satanism thing. Uh, I was approached several
Speaker 3: times about people want me to join like cults or organizations,
Speaker 3: you know, and then I never wanted to because I'm
Speaker 3: not a follower, Like I have a hard time following orders,
Speaker 3: you know, so even with myself sometimes I do. And
Speaker 3: that that led to, uh, you know, certain people asking
Speaker 3: me h about starting my own organizations, and I thought
Speaker 3: about it, but it was just I don't want to
Speaker 3: lead people, like not not in that sense.
Speaker 4: You know, a whole lot of work.
Speaker 2: But it will cree from the office, say, it's like
Speaker 2: I've joined a few cults back in the day. You
Speaker 2: have more fun as a member, but you make more
Speaker 2: money as a leader, right, Yeah, And it's just like,
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 6: Think I'd ever want to lead a cult. It's way
Speaker 6: too much work.
Speaker 3: It's so much work, way too much work. Then you
Speaker 3: have to remember all these lies and all of this stuff.
Speaker 5: It's it's a baby people you like consistently remember their
Speaker 5: entire like arc story.
Speaker 2: Then you have to learn whole new ways of evading
Speaker 2: taxes because everybody be signing over all their ship to you,
Speaker 2: and now you have to clean that up for the
Speaker 2: government and make it look like it's a religious organization.
Speaker 2: It's so many levels.
Speaker 3: It's a hustle. I have no interest in.
Speaker 2: Yeah, heard that.
Speaker 3: And so you know, even in like libertarianism and stuff like,
Speaker 3: I stood out. You know, I was never even though
Speaker 3: a lot of these groups and stuff. Yeah, I just
Speaker 3: never truly ever fit in if that makes sense.
Speaker 2: Yeah, or you're talking to two outcasts here, dogs, I
Speaker 2: feel you.
Speaker 4: Right, Yeah.
Speaker 3: But to kind of bring it back full circle so
Speaker 3: that the LDS reason, the reason I left, is actually
Speaker 3: the most benign reason ever.
Speaker 4: So it was just.
Speaker 3: An elder in front of a bunch of people. Mind you,
Speaker 3: So I was thirteen. I was standing in front of
Speaker 3: a portrait of Jesus. I was just growing my hair
Speaker 3: long and shoulder length hair. And mind you, this this
Speaker 3: gentleman who I had had a previous experience with that
Speaker 3: was great, right, but at this point he looked at
Speaker 3: me and called me a long hair Gayesler. Right, Jesus
Speaker 3: had long hair?
Speaker 2: What the fuck?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 3: And I was standing in front of the Jesus portrait
Speaker 3: and that's when like I turned and looked up at it,
Speaker 3: and I looked back at him. And then that's what
Speaker 3: started the snowball effect of me just like questioning things
Speaker 3: and I'm like, what the hell was that? Like it
Speaker 3: just it kicked open the door of like hypocrisy, and
Speaker 3: that's what led to me leaving. Sure, so yeah, leaving
Speaker 3: the church. Like my story is pretty benign considering some people's.
Speaker 2: That might actually be the most grated reason I've ever
Speaker 2: heard someone leave the church. I've heard fucking horror stories, dude,
Speaker 2: But okay.
Speaker 3: Exactly, okay, Well same here, Yeah, Shiven in Utah.
Speaker 4: We I've heard lots of them.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 5: I actually don't know anybody that's converted to Mormonism. I
Speaker 5: know many people that have left it. I don't know
Speaker 5: that's just gone out of the way to convert.
Speaker 2: I remember those commercials from a few years back. Remember
Speaker 2: that shit. It's like, basically I'm paraphrasing, but just slightly.
Speaker 2: Is the Bible just not doing it for you anymore?
Speaker 2: Try the Book of Mormon? And it was like, wait what, Yeah.
Speaker 5: I actually don't know anybody. Well, my mom actually was
Speaker 5: going to be one of one of the She's the
Speaker 5: only person I know that that was going to convert.
Speaker 2: What her story is really interesting.
Speaker 5: So my mom, way back in the day, I don't
Speaker 5: even know how all this happened. So it was her
Speaker 5: and her and two other girlfriends and they started going
Speaker 5: to the Mormon church.
Speaker 2: They got approached, they started going there and stuff.
Speaker 5: And you know, they went through I don't I don't
Speaker 5: really remember how it all works, but I know that
Speaker 5: one of my girlfriends like her daughters. There's like a
Speaker 5: place for girls that are under certain age, like sixteen,
Speaker 5: and then there's a place as they get older that
Speaker 5: they get presented to the ones that are going to
Speaker 5: the men that are going on their missions and stuff.
Speaker 5: So my mom was of the a of I think
Speaker 5: they were like seventeen eighteen years old, and she started
Speaker 5: questioning the Bible a lot because she was raised Christian,
Speaker 5: and so she started questioning the Mormon the Book of Mormon,
Speaker 5: and was like, well, what about this here? What about
Speaker 5: this here? And they actually pulled her out quite a
Speaker 5: few times and were like, you need to really just
Speaker 5: like kind of learn your place and be quiet, and
Speaker 5: which is not my mother's vibe.
Speaker 2: And well, so your mom is like extremely intelligent. So
Speaker 2: when you say she almost converted to Mormonism, it's like,
Speaker 2: oh god, she kind of went retarded for a minute.
Speaker 5: Yeah, So my mom was a crazy smart and well
Speaker 5: she's she's all about asking questions, and so she noticed
Speaker 5: that there was a lot of things that.
Speaker 2: She didn't that's a problem in the mormony.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so she what it came down to actually was
Speaker 5: she you know, back then, they didn't have a lot
Speaker 5: of money, so she sewed all of her clothes and
Speaker 5: her and her girlfriends had sewed these really beautiful dresses.
Speaker 5: They got told to wear they're nicest dresses. So they
Speaker 5: made these dresses. They were covered like it was in
Speaker 5: regulation of whatever it was.
Speaker 6: It was like to hear something.
Speaker 5: But you know, she had a nice body and stuff,
Speaker 5: and so they were like, well, you're going to be
Speaker 5: presented to the males. And she's like, excuse me, what
Speaker 5: do you mean we're being presented to the males? And
Speaker 5: so they you know, took them out there and I
Speaker 5: guess she got told multiple times that her outfit was
Speaker 5: extremely inappropriate and all of these things in that if
Speaker 5: she doesn't cover up, then she's going to be asked
Speaker 5: to leave. And she's like, I'm sorry, what are we
Speaker 5: doing here? Though, like what is what is this for?
Speaker 5: And they were like, well, this is for you to
Speaker 5: this is for them to pick which one they want.
Speaker 5: And that was like the seal right there. She was like,
Speaker 5: this was on the West Coast, Okay, and yes, so
Speaker 5: this is this is like we're talking way way back,
Speaker 5: like all.
Speaker 2: The Mormon girls I know from the East Coast.
Speaker 5: Sixty seventies, I think somewhere around there. So this is
Speaker 5: a long time ago. But the way that they responded
Speaker 5: to her was not. She realized that this is just
Speaker 5: something that she is not going.
Speaker 2: To get down to.
Speaker 5: Fortunately, her one girlfriend that was with her found, you know,
Speaker 5: found a guy, and they got married right away, and
Speaker 5: it ended up being.
Speaker 6: Is it coveted?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Is that what it is? Coveted marriage? Yeah?
Speaker 5: So they so he was physically so they got married
Speaker 5: and all this stuff, and he was he almost killed
Speaker 5: her like six times, and the church knew about it.
Speaker 6: They covered it up over and over again. She went
Speaker 6: to them.
Speaker 5: She went to them because she was pregnant and he
Speaker 5: threw her down a flight of stairs and she almost
Speaker 5: lost the baby at yeah, at eight months. And then
Speaker 5: she went to them and was like, I'm done, I'm leaving.
Speaker 5: So they kicked her out of the church and they
Speaker 5: refused for over twelve years to sign on the divorce decree,
Speaker 5: and she had to do all this petition, like the
Speaker 5: petition and all of this stuff.
Speaker 6: And yeah, so that's one of them.
Speaker 5: My other one of my closest girlfriends is actually was
Speaker 5: a Mormon her entire life, her whole family. I actually
Speaker 5: went to Utah to their small little town and to
Speaker 5: like the whole Mormon.
Speaker 6: Parade and everything.
Speaker 5: It was wild for like us to go there because
Speaker 5: she's no longer in the church and it was an
Speaker 5: interesting So the bishop himself came to her and pretty
Speaker 5: much was told her, look, I don't really care what happened,
Speaker 5: even though we know what happened, you just need to
Speaker 5: like stop causing ripples, like you need to like get
Speaker 5: in your place.
Speaker 6: You need to be quiet.
Speaker 5: Even since his wife with gift baskets because she was
Speaker 5: struggling with money and all of the because after the abuse,
Speaker 5: she left and stuff, right, and they brought all the
Speaker 5: food to her, and they were like, okay, so this
Speaker 5: is for you to just pretty much be quiet and
Speaker 5: stop causing issues. You're upsetting the members baskets. So they
Speaker 5: were she's upsetting the members of the church because you know,
Speaker 5: he was a good godly man and it didn't really
Speaker 5: matter if they didn't like him or not.
Speaker 6: They were going to stand.
Speaker 2: By his side.
Speaker 5: And so she actually ended up requesting to have her
Speaker 5: name take taken out of the Book of I don't
Speaker 5: know the Book of Mormon or whatever where you get
Speaker 5: your name written down in the church and like it's right, yeah, records. Yes,
Speaker 5: So she requested that she got taken out of all
Speaker 5: of it and stuff like that, and it was it
Speaker 5: was a big deal. But the only the only experience
Speaker 5: I have with people that have actually had negative I've
Speaker 5: had pretty much anybody I know how to negative experience
Speaker 5: with the Mormon Church.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 6: Really any that have been like, yay, this is a
Speaker 6: great time.
Speaker 2: I will say the Mormons on the West Coast and
Speaker 2: the Mormons on the East Coast are two different breeds. Really,
Speaker 2: I will say that every Mormon girl that I know
Speaker 2: in Louisiana. Okay, before I say this, listen, it's generalizing
Speaker 2: a lot. I know I oddly enough, I know a
Speaker 2: good handful of them, and every one of them be
Speaker 2: some sluts. That's all I'm gonna say on that. And
Speaker 2: not to say that they're not really sweet girls, right,
Speaker 2: They're They're great girls. The guys are like aggressively nice
Speaker 2: and like you would meet them and you regardless of
Speaker 2: what their religios beliefs are You're like, that's just he's
Speaker 2: just a great dude, like you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: he's a solid guy. Then you find out that there
Speaker 2: are Mormons and it's like, huh so the soaking thing, like, yeah,
Speaker 2: we don't really do that. We just fuck here. And
Speaker 2: it's like, yeah, yeah, that checks out.
Speaker 6: That's a weird thing. By the way, that's such a
Speaker 6: weird thing.
Speaker 5: Actually, that girlfriend that I was telling you about that
Speaker 5: left the church with the bishop and stuff, her son
Speaker 5: right now is in on his two year mission, and
Speaker 5: we begged him not to leave. He is one of
Speaker 5: the greatest children I have ever met in my life.
Speaker 5: And unfortunately he's already starting to drink the kool aid massively,
Speaker 5: and it's it's really bummer. It's a bummer to see
Speaker 5: because like he's such an intelligent, kind human being that like, yeah,
Speaker 5: well he can't talk to nobody. They can talk once
Speaker 5: a week, he can call back, and it's a whole thing.
Speaker 5: They won't be able to see for two years. And
Speaker 5: he was being able to like they were sending their
Speaker 5: kind of code naming the political stuff that was going on,
Speaker 5: because he's really all about politics and conspiracies and stuff
Speaker 5: like that. And now he's been pretty much it's been
Speaker 5: almost a year and he's like, never mind, I don't
Speaker 5: really need to know about that, and it's it's just
Speaker 5: it's a bummer.
Speaker 6: But I mean everybody has their own way.
Speaker 5: I mean, if that religion works for you and that's
Speaker 5: what you believe in and it's and it's not about see,
Speaker 5: then it's.
Speaker 2: All the fuck the Mormon Church. I'm good with that.
Speaker 2: I'm pretty good dying on that hill.
Speaker 3: Yeah, untains a pretty complicated opinion as far as the
Speaker 3: church goes. My gripe is really with the organization, the leadership.
Speaker 3: That's that's where my gripe is. Sure, Like, just because
Speaker 3: I know so many, so I I really categorize it
Speaker 3: as there's two different kinds of Mormons.
Speaker 4: You have Mormons and then you have LDS.
Speaker 2: Okay, h A.
Speaker 3: Mormon is like every stereotype or every stereotype you've ever
Speaker 3: heard of. Right, Also, Molly Mormon works too in this category.
Speaker 2: But the south Park episode.
Speaker 3: Right, exactly. Yeah, But then you have the LDS people.
Speaker 3: Odds are you probably won't know that they're LDS or
Speaker 3: that they're Mormon unless you ask them, right, or if
Speaker 3: you went to their house and saw you know, DS
Speaker 3: paraphernalia or whatever. But they're just the nicest people. Typically.
Speaker 4: It's their faith and it's what they believe.
Speaker 3: But and the reason I kind of have this like
Speaker 3: dualistic view is because obviously some of my family is
Speaker 3: still LDS, right, And once again, you would never even
Speaker 3: know unless you ask them. And so I see the
Speaker 3: two sides of this, right, But there's also, you know,
Speaker 3: been some people in my family that I would consider Mormons, right, like, oh,
Speaker 3: those are Mormons, right, And then there's the other people.
Speaker 3: It's like, oh, those guys.
Speaker 4: Are LDS right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I kind of have a complicated view of it. However,
Speaker 3: I agree with you as far as like the church leadership, Yeah,
Speaker 3: they can go to hell.
Speaker 4: They cover up abuse.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah. When I said that, By the way, I
Speaker 2: don't mean just the regular congregates. I'm sure they're good people,
Speaker 2: you know. I'm talking about the ones at the top
Speaker 2: that are basically doing the abuse and then the people
Speaker 2: that take it to the end degree church, right, But
Speaker 2: like you said, there's also members of the congregation that
Speaker 2: well this and this goes for all religions, including my
Speaker 2: own brand of Christianity.
Speaker 6: Isn't say I was like Christians are just as.
Speaker 2: Bad, not all, but there are those that will go
Speaker 2: up on their holy high horse and look down on
Speaker 2: those others in their own church because they're not as
Speaker 2: holy as they are, and it's like, well, the fuck
Speaker 2: you too, dude.
Speaker 5: I mean, it really does span all religions, honestly, but
Speaker 5: it does seem though that like the Catholic Church, well,
Speaker 5: I feel like, honestly, mormonso are more tight en it
Speaker 5: when it comes to you, at least higher ups that
Speaker 5: keeping I wouldn't say the Catholic priests, but like keeping
Speaker 5: this stuff in like the bishops and stuff like that,
Speaker 5: because might it had more time to get it right.
Speaker 5: Though my experience with that was second party the yea.
Speaker 4: Yeah, No, it's the structure of the church.
Speaker 3: And really how over the twentieth century the changes that
Speaker 3: were made from the night early nineteen hundreds to the
Speaker 3: early two thousands, like that whole stretch of time they
Speaker 3: were able to lock in a particular structure that I
Speaker 3: don't think it was like we are going to build
Speaker 3: a structure to protect pedophiles, right, I don't think it
Speaker 3: was consciously that partially.
Speaker 2: It was, right, Casey right.
Speaker 3: But I think that's definitely what it turned into, because
Speaker 3: here was how it was always explained to me, is like,
Speaker 3: if you're Satan, your number one target is going to
Speaker 3: be the church, right, any church, it doesn't matter. You're
Speaker 3: going to try and destroy anything that is good. And
Speaker 3: it appears as though that that's what has happened, is
Speaker 3: that evil men and evil women have gone ahead and
Speaker 3: polluted anything that could possibly be good on this earth, agreed,
Speaker 3: and so certain people rise to the top because only
Speaker 3: terrible people, in my mind, like positions of power, whether
Speaker 3: it's political, spiritual, it's it doesn't matter, just like any
Speaker 3: people that just like seek those positions. It's it's like
Speaker 3: you always want the politician that doesn't want to be
Speaker 3: in that position, that doesn't want to do it that
Speaker 3: like after they leave that like they're done, you know,
Speaker 3: And we don't have those. We also don't have church
Speaker 3: leaders that don't want it, right, So that's kind of
Speaker 3: how I view it, is that evil is going to
Speaker 3: corrupt the the most likely to bring good into this world,
Speaker 3: and that's exactly what's happened. So I don't think it's
Speaker 3: necessarily a a comment on maybe some of the belief systems,
Speaker 3: some not all, because some of their belief systems are wild, wild, right,
Speaker 3: And it's it's very like with the Mormon Church, it's
Speaker 3: very Masonic, you know.
Speaker 2: Well there's a lot of reasons for that though, for.
Speaker 3: Sure, right exactly, And so I think so some of
Speaker 3: these belief systems are obviously not cool, but it's resulted
Speaker 3: in a lot of good for a lot of good,
Speaker 3: you know, for a lot of good people. So it's like,
Speaker 3: I don't know, but I definitely have an issue with
Speaker 3: the higher up structure because I don't see anything good
Speaker 3: coming out of that.
Speaker 4: I just don't. That's all the congregants that I see
Speaker 4: the good coming.
Speaker 2: Out of, for sure. And then so that being the case,
Speaker 2: you growing up in Are you in Salt Lake? I'm
Speaker 2: north of Salt Lake, Okay, So, but my point is
Speaker 2: you're surrounded by basically your entire community is a Mormon
Speaker 2: slash LDS community, correct.
Speaker 4: Sort of?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, so one of the misconceptions about Utah,
Speaker 3: it's actually, at any one point in time, there are
Speaker 3: more Mormons here than anywhere else in the world. But
Speaker 3: it's because of the head of the churches here, right.
Speaker 3: It's like the Mormon Vaticanate.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but as far as the population goes, there's actually
Speaker 3: more non Mormons that live here than actual Mormons. And
Speaker 3: I think a lot of that's transplants or transplants from Colorado, California, Oregon, Washington.
Speaker 3: We're having like a lot of tech companies move here. Also,
Speaker 3: we just announced that we're having the Winter Olympics again. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and so there we have tons of defense contractors that
Speaker 3: the number one and number two employers of Utah. Number
Speaker 3: one is the I r S and number two is
Speaker 3: Hillfield Air Force Base. So defense contractors and the I
Speaker 3: r S number one and number two. So it's like,
Speaker 3: you know, I.
Speaker 6: Love the Winter Olympics.
Speaker 5: Side note, as soon as you brought up the yes
Speaker 5: I love the Winter Olympics, I do as well.
Speaker 3: The bad part is is the defense contractors come out
Speaker 3: in full force, and unfortunately the un is all tied
Speaker 3: in with thes and so there's the surveillance state is
Speaker 3: being built here. So Utah is actually on track right now. Uh,
Speaker 3: let's see. I believe it's twenty thirty two is when
Speaker 3: the Winter Olympics is going to be here. And when
Speaker 3: the Winter Olympics happen, we will be we as in
Speaker 3: the state of Utah will unveil what a smart city.
Speaker 5: And I was just going to ask you are you
Speaker 5: on track for the fifteen minute city, because la is
Speaker 5: on track tea because of the Oh no, no, All
Speaker 5: that means my Bingo card is going to get filled, damn.
Speaker 2: So we do a Bingo car with all of our
Speaker 2: cult members. We do it in January and try to
Speaker 2: see if we're going to fill it by the end
Speaker 2: of the year. We didn't fill it. Last year. We
Speaker 2: did not make a Bingo We we kind of went a.
Speaker 6: Little We don't say we went, we went one.
Speaker 5: But my BEINGO one of my Beingo cars is that
Speaker 5: we're going to have a fifteen minute city built here
Speaker 5: in America.
Speaker 4: That's already had ours.
Speaker 3: It's it's already planned and in fact, the World Economic
Speaker 3: Forum came out and praised the design of it and
Speaker 3: terrible all things already planned and you know it's already
Speaker 3: being sold. Is like, you won't have to leave the
Speaker 3: city if you don't want to.
Speaker 5: How what are your thoughts on fifteen minute cities? Because
Speaker 5: I have, of my I have serious thoughts on these things.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: First of all, their concentration camps yep, yep, they're they're
Speaker 3: digital concentration camps, and that is I think the one
Speaker 3: of the ultimate goals for all of us is to
Speaker 3: be put into these cities where we can't travel without permission.
Speaker 2: I agree, one hundred percent agree it's it's it's concentration
Speaker 2: camps that are sold under the guise of convenience and
Speaker 2: safety and all these all these things. But in reality, no,
Speaker 2: it's it's one hundred percent in.
Speaker 3: Prison, right, and and that's that's the whole goal is
Speaker 3: because they don't like earlier or I guess it was
Speaker 3: mid year last year, so twenty tw five, Canada actually
Speaker 3: made it illegal for people to go out and go hike.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Really it was under the guise of wildfires. Right, people
Speaker 3: can't go out hiking, They can't go fishing or hunting
Speaker 3: or anything.
Speaker 2: Right, Columbia Canada is just they're falling.
Speaker 5: Maybe maybe my girlfriends missed the memo because like they
Speaker 5: get they went hiking and camping and everything like a
Speaker 5: whole bunch.
Speaker 2: Is it just like you said, British Columbia that one province?
Speaker 6: Is it just that one province? Okay?
Speaker 2: Because I was like, problem, that's like Canada's one resource
Speaker 2: that they actually had. That's like you should come to
Speaker 2: Canada for the dot dot it's probably for either the
Speaker 2: hockey or for the outdoors, and like, man, okay.
Speaker 5: I mean it's smart though, because you don't want to
Speaker 5: implement the entire country. You want to do it one
Speaker 5: step at a time, just like how it's going to
Speaker 5: be one little baby step, one city.
Speaker 6: Oh look at all the awesome things.
Speaker 5: I guarantee they're going to have at least four or
Speaker 5: five that they're going to push on America that they're
Speaker 5: going to be like, look how great it is.
Speaker 2: Look how great it is.
Speaker 5: And slowly but surely, all of a sudden, once it
Speaker 5: gains traction they have enough people being like well okay,
Speaker 5: I'll do this, then they'll start pushing them forward, almost
Speaker 5: into every city. I just don't see how they're going
Speaker 5: to accomplish it in the rural areas, Like how are
Speaker 5: they going to trap in everyone in every every.
Speaker 2: State Because we're a massive nation, so.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, we're huge.
Speaker 2: It makes sense into the cities themselves.
Speaker 5: But then then what happens if they flee though, if
Speaker 5: people really wake up and like, holy shit, we're trapped
Speaker 5: into these locations, then what I.
Speaker 3: Mean, the ones that can escape will partially what's going
Speaker 3: to stop us from leaving is direct to the energy weapons, theeriod. Like,
Speaker 3: that's straight up what's going to stop us.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh no, Serbia, Serbia. But did y'all also hear
Speaker 2: that they use those in the capture of Maduro?
Speaker 3: No, so three of the guards twenty people? Yeah, twenty
Speaker 3: people killed, like one hundred people.
Speaker 2: Well, okay, so from the first reports I heard, only
Speaker 2: thirty two guards were killed, but all of them were Cuban,
Speaker 2: which is weird that he was surrounded by Cubans, but whatever,
Speaker 2: three of the dudes, at least as of this moment
Speaker 2: I just heard about this. I haven't done much digging
Speaker 2: into it because we've been doing another shit all day.
Speaker 2: Thirty three guards, thirty two thirty two guards, but still
Speaker 2: an important number if we're looking masonically with you. But
Speaker 2: apparently three of these guards said that they felt dizzy, disoriented,
Speaker 2: their heart was racing, and they passed out. And so
Speaker 2: now Venezuela is claiming that they were using directed energy
Speaker 2: weapons against them, and it's like, okay, so hold on,
Speaker 2: you're mad that your boys are still alive. You would
Speaker 2: have been less mad. If they got a three hundred
Speaker 2: blackout to the dome. And somehow this makes us more
Speaker 2: tyrannical because we're letting your people live. There's no polishing you.
Speaker 5: I really feel like it's going to come down to
Speaker 5: all war between us and them kind of a thing.
Speaker 2: This is Venezuela.
Speaker 5: No no, no, no, I'm not Venezuela. I'm talking about here,
Speaker 5: and I'm talking about here in America. Eventually, I'm talking
Speaker 5: about the fifteen minute cities, the energy weapons, that kind
Speaker 5: of stuff.
Speaker 6: But I'm not talking it's going to be like tomorrow.
Speaker 2: I think we are.
Speaker 5: I think we are losing the battle already and we
Speaker 5: aren't aware of it. I think TikTok and social media
Speaker 5: and all of this stuff is the beginning of our end.
Speaker 5: When it comes to the conveniency is even more at
Speaker 5: our fingertips. I mean, hell, you can even buy stuff
Speaker 5: on Amazon Prime while you watch it on TV. You
Speaker 5: can buy your stuff when it shows you ads. Now
Speaker 5: it'll be like, hey, do you need laundry soap?
Speaker 2: Here?
Speaker 5: Scan this code And all you do is scan it,
Speaker 5: click it and you bought it and it's that quick.
Speaker 5: And if you're in a fifteen minute city, you're walking everywhere,
Speaker 5: you have public transportation. You no longer need a vehicle.
Speaker 5: You why do you need all these things? Oh yeah,
Speaker 5: there's drones everywhere, they have cameras. You're using the hand
Speaker 5: palm thing like they have it Whole Foods. So you
Speaker 5: don't need a cardnymore. You don't need any cash anymore.
Speaker 5: You have everything, And soon they'll put the chips in
Speaker 5: us so that way they can track you for your safety,
Speaker 5: of course, and for your conveniency. So that way you
Speaker 5: have all of your information, including your banking information, in
Speaker 5: your arm itself.
Speaker 3: So to answer your earlier question, that the way that
Speaker 3: it's going to be sold to us is the new
Speaker 3: cool thing, right, That's how all of this is sold
Speaker 3: to us, is.
Speaker 4: The new cool thing.
Speaker 3: That's like you mentioned the videos from like waving your
Speaker 3: hand to pay for your stuff.
Speaker 4: At Whole Foods. It's the new cool thing.
Speaker 3: Like, oh, you get to pay for your food with
Speaker 3: waving your hand.
Speaker 4: It's magic.
Speaker 5: Yeah, It like tracks your palm and you put your
Speaker 5: palm on it and it knows your entire palm.
Speaker 2: It's really weird. It's been and that was three years
Speaker 2: ago that they put it in, right, and.
Speaker 4: That's how it's going to be sold to us.
Speaker 3: So that what they're going to do is they're going
Speaker 3: to start paying influencers to test it out, right, and
Speaker 3: then that's how they're going to start pushing it. And
Speaker 3: this is the mind control, right, this is the social engineering.
Speaker 3: And this is why I focus on this because this
Speaker 3: is because I agree with you. We are losing the battles,
Speaker 3: and we're losing them left and right because most people
Speaker 3: don't even realize they're happening, right, right, Because I mean
Speaker 3: most people think, like, oh, it would be really convenient
Speaker 3: to have everything I need within fifteen minutes of walking,
Speaker 3: you know, and it probably would, right, Like I'm not
Speaker 3: going to argue that, like it probably would be very convenient.
Speaker 2: Shit, most Americans ain't walking, no fifteen minutes, what They'll
Speaker 2: get a fucking greenees scooter or whatever it's called.
Speaker 4: Yeah, all right, exactly.
Speaker 3: And so if you don't even realize that it's happening,
Speaker 3: then how could you ever fight back against it? And
Speaker 3: plus when everything is sold to you as ooh look
Speaker 3: how cool, this is brand new, and it's like not
Speaker 3: everything new is good, right, Like it's not, it's just
Speaker 3: not you know.
Speaker 2: I don't think the tradition.
Speaker 6: I think these cities are for our children.
Speaker 5: I think this is where they're to be aiming at
Speaker 5: the most is the kids. So that way, because we
Speaker 5: at least understand what the world was like before all this,
Speaker 5: they do not, and so for them it's going to be.
Speaker 5: That's just the way it is. Like how convenient it is,
Speaker 5: Like in my cell phones is so easy. I can
Speaker 5: find all this information. I don't even have to text anymore.
Speaker 2: I can just.
Speaker 6: Tell Siri what I want to do.
Speaker 5: I mean, they use AI all day long at school
Speaker 5: as well, So this is I don't think this is
Speaker 5: for us really. I think they might market to us
Speaker 5: kind of because like we quote unquote have the money.
Speaker 5: But I think this is for the younger generations below
Speaker 5: us that they're going to go for, and you know
Speaker 5: that's who they're going to be. Their primary targets is
Speaker 5: probably the twenty year olds right now.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, oh yeah, one hundred percent, because they don't
Speaker 3: know a world without social media. Okay, I remember the nineties, right,
Speaker 3: I remember the nineteen nineties, and god do I miss
Speaker 3: something me every day?
Speaker 2: Have you watched those.
Speaker 5: Clips where they do like the nineteen nineties reels of
Speaker 5: all this stuff, and it's like super nasty.
Speaker 6: It makes me I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 5: I'm not a big crier, but I almost cry every
Speaker 5: time I watch one because I'm like, damn, I just
Speaker 5: want to go back to that time so bad.
Speaker 3: I know, I know, And you know, I was talking
Speaker 3: to my wife, you know, we're looking at starting a
Speaker 3: family this year and everything, and her and I were
Speaker 3: talking about it and we said, we're we're doing a
Speaker 3: nineties nineties babies, you know, We're raising them on like
Speaker 3: nineties television shows. We're not doing this Coco melon stuff.
Speaker 2: Now. Coca melons horrible.
Speaker 3: Right, exactly, it's Coco melon is I actually have an
Speaker 3: article I'm getting ready to release about Coca melon and
Speaker 3: television itself. But it is weaponized. Coco melon is one
Speaker 3: hundred percent weaponized. Yeah, that the frame rates, the colors,
Speaker 3: all of it is meant to change behavior.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 4: And it does. It does. It's very easy to observe.
Speaker 3: But the whole nineties thing, like, yes, there was I
Speaker 3: think like a level of brainwashing and programming that was
Speaker 3: happening during that time, but it was entirely different, and
Speaker 3: I think it was for a different reason, and that's
Speaker 3: that's kind of why things just seem so different, because
Speaker 3: it was literally everything after nine to eleven. Right, nine
Speaker 3: to eleven was the start of the world that we're
Speaker 3: living in now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was.
Speaker 3: It was the death of the nineties, and it was
Speaker 3: the beginning of this technocracy hellscape that we're now living in.
Speaker 3: You know, but you are one hundred percent right that
Speaker 3: they are marketing it to us in a sense to
Speaker 3: be able to push it onto our kids.
Speaker 2: Which is crazy.
Speaker 4: That's the goal.
Speaker 2: They don't want us to teach our children to pick
Speaker 2: up crafts, for instance, Like you know, you don't you
Speaker 2: don't want yeah, right, right exactly, Like you wait a minute,
Speaker 2: your kid is pitdling around in the garage. No, you
Speaker 2: need to teach them how to stream. That's what their
Speaker 2: future needs to be. It's like, no, no, I'd rather
Speaker 2: teach my child how to weld and build build cool shit,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. I'd rather my son break
Speaker 2: his arm from a homemade ramp that he's ramping his
Speaker 2: bike off of, rather than he's got anxiety and social
Speaker 2: disorders because he's been glued to a screen since he
Speaker 2: was six years old and he's trying to be a
Speaker 2: professional streamer by twelve. Like, no, get the fuck out
Speaker 2: of here.
Speaker 4: Your kid doesn't have an iPad.
Speaker 3: Oh, such terrible parents, you know, it's like, get out
Speaker 3: of here with that. And your kid's nine and doesn't
Speaker 3: have a cell phone.
Speaker 4: What's wrong with you?
Speaker 2: Wait? Wait a minute, you're telling me that you don't
Speaker 2: allow your eight year old on TikTok. No fucker, why
Speaker 2: would I do that.
Speaker 5: My oldest is like the only one in his grade
Speaker 5: that it doesn't have a TikTok.
Speaker 2: My son on one grade up does not have a TikTok.
Speaker 5: Their friends follow my TikTok, which is and I he
Speaker 5: was really confused by I went to him, and why
Speaker 5: are all these children following my TikTok?
Speaker 2: Well, they wanted to see who you are.
Speaker 5: I mean they know who because I was, you know,
Speaker 5: did pto stuff for a lot of years. But why
Speaker 5: are you following my My TikTok is not for children.
Speaker 5: I mean, I'm not posting anything inappropriate, but why.
Speaker 6: Are you new?
Speaker 5: But then, but then I went to their tiktoks and
Speaker 5: I went and looked at them, and I'm like, I
Speaker 5: wish I had their parents' information. I would be telling
Speaker 5: their parents. Have you checked your kid's phones? Do you
Speaker 5: understand what's going on? I read my kid's phone all
Speaker 5: the time, and I just and he barely even gets
Speaker 5: his phone because damn near he loses it for weeks
Speaker 5: on end every other week.
Speaker 2: Almost the worst those parents are checking their kids phones.
Speaker 2: They're okay with that behavior. That's the worst, fucking boy.
Speaker 5: Yeah, a lot of them are doing the joint you know,
Speaker 5: dances and all this stuff, which like, okay, I can
Speaker 5: I understand having fun on one sense, but on the
Speaker 5: other some of the stuff is really not appropriate and
Speaker 5: there's no restriction on what they're really seeing. You can
Speaker 5: try to restrict it. Hell, the kids figured out how
Speaker 5: to get on TikTok and Xbox on the freaking in
Speaker 5: school computers that have banned three hundred plus websites as
Speaker 5: of right now, and they just went and put more
Speaker 5: software on it to try to block them from all this.
Speaker 5: And they figured it out within they figured.
Speaker 2: It out within a week. They all figured it out.
Speaker 5: They're so smart when it comes to technology, but that's
Speaker 5: going to be their downfall because they don't know how
Speaker 5: to do.
Speaker 2: Anything else besides technology.
Speaker 5: They can't go outside, they don't understand how to build guards.
Speaker 5: They have zero imagination. They don't know how to draw anymore,
Speaker 5: because oh you're looked at. If your draw and you color,
Speaker 5: then you have then you're weird. What's wrong with you?
Speaker 5: Why are you having an imagination?
Speaker 4: Just have AI do it?
Speaker 5: My chat My oldest was literally told this in our
Speaker 5: house before with some friends came over. Why are you
Speaker 5: doing that right now? Why we just play on our
Speaker 5: phones all day? So that was a weird.
Speaker 3: That's wild to me, that like, and that you know,
Speaker 3: what really bothers me is nobody knows how.
Speaker 4: To be bored.
Speaker 6: No one, dude, they do not.
Speaker 3: Boredom doesn't exist anymore. And I think boredom is like
Speaker 3: so fundamentally important for mental development because that's what spawns
Speaker 3: creativity and imagination. I remember being bored on a car
Speaker 3: ride all the time. Oh, anytime you would go visit
Speaker 3: grandparents or whatever, and I was bored.
Speaker 4: I had to have an imagination.
Speaker 3: And to your point about having the parents involved, that's
Speaker 3: totally on.
Speaker 4: Purpose, right, It's.
Speaker 3: To get the parents involved so that they are okay
Speaker 3: with this. Because here's the craziest concept that people just
Speaker 3: give their kids access to the internet and it's unfettered.
Speaker 4: It's like, have you seen what's on the internet.
Speaker 3: There's no way I would let my kid, Like, I
Speaker 3: don't want my kid having access to the internet at all,
Speaker 3: you know, right, I mean it's that might be unrealistic
Speaker 3: and that's fine, but you know it's just no parents
Speaker 3: don't stop their kids from the Internet.
Speaker 6: It's very difficult.
Speaker 5: Actually, So for example, I fought against the school until
Speaker 5: fourth grade, with my oldest being like, I'm not going
Speaker 5: to give him a computer. I want you to print
Speaker 5: everything out. I'm sorry, he's not going to come home
Speaker 5: with a computer. And every year it was a huge deal.
Speaker 5: So then we get to fifth grade and he didn't
Speaker 5: know how to use the programs because I took him
Speaker 5: out of the regular public school and put him in
Speaker 5: a monessory school. And honestly, he excelled so much. But
Speaker 5: the problem is is that we needed to move back
Speaker 5: because I have a child with special needs and stuff,
Speaker 5: and so he went back into the school system and
Speaker 5: he had such a great time at the monastery school
Speaker 5: and everything is commuterized like he was. He had a
Speaker 5: handwrite every single thing he had to in the monastery school.
Speaker 5: He was writing cursive, he was doing all these massive
Speaker 5: math problems by hand, all the stuff, you know, just
Speaker 5: the way that we learned. And then he goes back
Speaker 5: into school and everything is computerized to the point where
Speaker 5: I'm having to go to school and sit down with
Speaker 5: his teachers and him to try and figure out how
Speaker 5: to do twelve different apps to find one thing. They
Speaker 5: won't tell you when you're wrong on problems. They actually
Speaker 5: don't give you a test anymore. And to tell you
Speaker 5: they you have to find No, you have to find
Speaker 5: it yourself if they do a so some of some
Speaker 5: teachers don't even do this. Some teachers will let you
Speaker 5: go back in and you have to like do a
Speaker 5: rework so you can see it, but they don't tell
Speaker 5: you what the answer is or how do you even
Speaker 5: get to it, so you still just.
Speaker 6: Keep getting it wrong.
Speaker 5: And if you don't sit with your kid and do it,
Speaker 5: they're just going to keep getting through the answer is wrong.
Speaker 5: There's no tests that come back to you.
Speaker 6: There's no.
Speaker 5: No, they don't even great. They don't even check the
Speaker 5: spelling on things. Literally, they do not check the spelling.
Speaker 5: So the kids are typing all this stuff. Their words
Speaker 5: are their sentences or run on sentences. They don't punctuate
Speaker 5: very well.
Speaker 2: They can't. You can tell that when they get a handout,
Speaker 2: like an actual paper handout and they have to go
Speaker 2: home and fill it out. And the way these kids
Speaker 2: are writing out their sentences make no fucking sense. The
Speaker 2: spelling is horrible. There's no punctuait x I bet it's slang.
Speaker 6: It is. It's all slang. And they'll even write because.
Speaker 5: BC they'll say like thank you, they'll just write, oh yeah, No,
Speaker 5: they cut everything in half. And that's how they write,
Speaker 5: and the teachers allow it because they're so used to
Speaker 5: at this point trying to point because.
Speaker 2: The teachers are more worried about what the benchmarks and
Speaker 2: the state's funded take care. That's all it is. They
Speaker 2: want their school to be of a certain percentile, and
Speaker 2: it doesn't matter what the homework shows. It matters what
Speaker 2: they make on that big state test at the end
Speaker 2: of the year, and that's what decides that this teacher
Speaker 2: is a good teacher. Not for the record, most of
Speaker 2: these teachers have no business being in a room full
Speaker 2: of children, let alone educating well.
Speaker 5: I feel really bad because there is a good amount
Speaker 5: of teacher that are trying their damnedest and when they
Speaker 5: do slow and when they do slow down, they damn
Speaker 5: near lose their jobs. Like we had a teacher that
Speaker 5: slowed down so much because he's like, these kids.
Speaker 2: Do not understand.
Speaker 6: I do not want to keep pushing.
Speaker 5: Forward without them understanding the basics of this, because if
Speaker 5: they can't write, how the hell are they going to
Speaker 5: succeed in anywhere else in their life.
Speaker 3: He straight up got told that they.
Speaker 2: That they're not AI chat GBT will do it for them.
Speaker 5: And so he got told straight up that if you
Speaker 5: don't hurry up and you don't cram this stuff into
Speaker 5: them before this test, you are going to get actual
Speaker 5: penalty and potentially could lose your job for this. So
Speaker 5: here he is having to do all this extra work,
Speaker 5: and some of the teachers even hold they go to
Speaker 5: the extent of trying to hold the kid's hands to
Speaker 5: give them extra time to help them out because they
Speaker 5: can see that they can't do this work because they've
Speaker 5: never been taught or they don't have enough time to
Speaker 5: teach them how to do it. So then when you're
Speaker 5: coming home and you have all this some amount of
Speaker 5: homework to try to teach your kids. But the way
Speaker 5: that they're learning is so far fetched from what we
Speaker 5: learned and doesn't make any fucking sense. So then you're
Speaker 5: trying to do this and you're it's just this weird
Speaker 5: cycle and everything's online. There's ten different apps you have
Speaker 5: to click all over the place, and it just it's honestly,
Speaker 5: they're just setting our kids up for failure every.
Speaker 6: Chance you get.
Speaker 5: And those of us that can't do home school, it
Speaker 5: just makes it really complicated because you know that you're
Speaker 5: sending your school, your kid into a school environment where
Speaker 5: they might be getting half truth, they might be learning
Speaker 5: half the stuff and hoping to fill in the gaps
Speaker 5: where you can. And that's I think what a lot
Speaker 5: of honestly American parents are trying to do right now.
Speaker 3: Right No, and you know my personal opinion, this is
Speaker 3: all designed. This is designed to be this way. They
Speaker 3: want us in this position so that the kids are
Speaker 3: raised by the state, because that's what it is. Education is.
Speaker 3: It's from the state, right, it's the Board of Education.
Speaker 3: Teachers are government employees, and so our kids are forced
Speaker 3: to be stuck in one room with you know, anywhere
Speaker 3: between twenty five I've seen on the low end upwards
Speaker 3: of forty even fifty kids per class and they're stuck
Speaker 3: in there with a government employee who has no incentive
Speaker 3: to actually do a good job. And then the curriculum
Speaker 3: is a joke, which is just man.
Speaker 2: It.
Speaker 3: Just processing. What you just told me is a horror story.
Speaker 3: Like that's just the most horrific thing I can think of.
Speaker 3: And man like, this is just brainwashing on such another level,
Speaker 3: you know, because they don't actually know anything. I mean,
Speaker 3: there was things that we weren't taught. Like, you know,
Speaker 3: I was barely taught how to balance a checkbook, right,
Speaker 3: I still don't know how I don't have to do,
Speaker 3: you know, I mean right houses.
Speaker 4: We were never taught to taxes.
Speaker 2: You know, we were very briefly just taught about taxes.
Speaker 2: And I'm being very generous when I say that. More
Speaker 2: like it was brought up one time and this is
Speaker 2: what the taxes are, here's what they use for, and
Speaker 2: onto the next thing, how to file, what an exemption is.
Speaker 2: But these things weren't in our education. So yeah, as
Speaker 2: you're talking about possibly starting a family here soon, just
Speaker 2: just know these things before you get into it.
Speaker 3: You know, kidding sounds like I would be much better
Speaker 3: off just raising a feral child raised by you know,
Speaker 3: a wolf dad. I mean, you may be onto something, right, right,
Speaker 3: I mean, it's it's just crazy because this system has
Speaker 3: gone so far. But I'll tell you what gives me
Speaker 3: hope in all of this is one of the biggest
Speaker 3: things that gives me hope and all of this is
Speaker 3: if things were hopeless, their propaganda would be pointless and
Speaker 3: they would not be pushing it.
Speaker 4: The brainwashing would not be.
Speaker 3: It would not be being pushed because it would also
Speaker 3: be pointless. So the reason why the brainwashing, the mind
Speaker 3: control is still being used and pushed the way that
Speaker 3: it is is because if they stop doing it, then
Speaker 3: we're going to revert back. Because the thing about mind
Speaker 3: control is you've got to constantly go through programming for
Speaker 3: it to actually stick, otherwise it starts breaking down. So
Speaker 3: I don't view things as hopeless.
Speaker 5: I'm not.
Speaker 3: I'm definitely not a black pillar. I think black pills
Speaker 3: are a syop meant to kill hope before it even begins,
Speaker 3: because I mean, if they can they can kill hope
Speaker 3: before it even begins, then I mean they've already won.
Speaker 3: And I'm just not willing to concede that. So honestly,
Speaker 3: I still have a whole lot of hope for this,
Speaker 3: and also I think people, I mean, this is now
Speaker 3: affecting home, right, People can't just watch the football games
Speaker 3: anymore and have this stuff not affect them. And it's
Speaker 3: so that's what's going to start changing things, is this
Speaker 3: is affecting everyone's kids, and things are so drastically different,
Speaker 3: so it's a different world. I ultimately have hope for this, so.
Speaker 2: I find myself trying to get high on hope. I'm
Speaker 2: a good bit, but man, it's like every time I'm thinking, hey,
Speaker 2: we might be finally cresting here and making our way
Speaker 2: on the other side, it's like, ah, my bad, we
Speaker 2: still have good ways to go. But I don't know.
Speaker 2: Maybe that's also just because of the line of work
Speaker 2: that we're in. We're always looking at things through a
Speaker 2: very a different lens than most people are. So it sucks.
Speaker 2: Though you get black pilled, and that's not fun. Nobody
Speaker 2: wants to get black pilled. But at the same time,
Speaker 2: you can't can't negate certain things, and once you learn
Speaker 2: certain things, you can't unlearn them. So yeah, especially when
Speaker 2: it affects your children in the education system and the
Speaker 2: future that they will be stepping off into in the
Speaker 2: next ten twenty years. What the fuck is that actually
Speaker 2: going to look like when that time comes, It's it's
Speaker 2: a mess. But so you do a lot of digging
Speaker 2: into MK ultra and brainwashing techniques and things like this.
Speaker 2: Where did you get your start on that? What was
Speaker 2: it about that that really jumped out at you and
Speaker 2: got you started?
Speaker 3: So it was once I was introduced to the concept
Speaker 3: of subliminal messaging. It's honestly, I couldn't even tell you
Speaker 3: like where that came up. I've been trying to think
Speaker 3: about it for several years now, you know, for just
Speaker 3: this very question of trying to figure out, like where
Speaker 3: did I even learn the concept of subliminal messaging? And
Speaker 3: it to have been somewhere in the nineties with the
Speaker 3: nineties cartoons, because I go back and go watch a bunch.
Speaker 3: In fact, my favorite is a Freakazoid Guys don't remember
Speaker 3: that one, go rewatch it because it's amazing. It's the
Speaker 3: best cartoon ever made, I swear. But had to have
Speaker 3: been somewhere there and it just stuck in my mind somewhere.
Speaker 3: So as I got older, I just looked into subliminal
Speaker 3: messaging and exactly what it was, and the fact that
Speaker 3: it existed at all was amazing to me, and so
Speaker 3: I guess I kind of just picked it up. There
Speaker 3: is kind of where it started, because once you start
Speaker 3: searching subliminal messaging, mk ultra is not too far behind.
Speaker 3: Subliminal messaging is just a form of mind control, right.
Speaker 3: It's so there's two different forms of mind control. There's
Speaker 3: individual mind control and there's mass mind control, and subliminal
Speaker 3: messaging is just mind control.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 3: But here's the thing about subliminal messaging. It's literally just advertising.
Speaker 3: That's that's all it is. It's it's p R, it's
Speaker 3: public relations propaganda.
Speaker 2: We just did an episode about was Edward Brenese the
Speaker 2: creator of propaganda?
Speaker 3: Yeah, Edward Brenees. It's a fascinating man, very fascinating. Freud's nephew, right,
Speaker 3: and his Edward Brenees is a great nephew. Uh. It
Speaker 3: was the co founder and CEO of Netflix for a while.
Speaker 2: So that's right. Damn, I forgot about that one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so it's like continuing the legacy, you know. But yeah,
Speaker 3: that's that's kind of where I got my start with it.
Speaker 3: And honestly, I've always just been fascinated with the whole
Speaker 3: mind control story. And as I carried on, as I
Speaker 3: was getting more and more into politics, you know, my
Speaker 3: conspiracy research continued more and more right into things like
Speaker 3: Operation mocking Bird, the JFK assassination, and if I could
Speaker 3: get my hands on a declassified document, whether it was
Speaker 3: like from the fifties, sixties, seventies, nineties, early two thousands,
Speaker 3: didn't matter.
Speaker 4: I was reading it. I was going to read it.
Speaker 3: I just was fascinated at the very idea or concept
Speaker 3: that there were things hidden from us, and that the
Speaker 3: idea of a declassified document could even exist. So that's
Speaker 3: kind of where I got my start. The reason I
Speaker 3: decided to focus on MK ultra and mind control is
Speaker 3: because I think everything comes back to it. I think
Speaker 3: the reason why we are in the position we are,
Speaker 3: the reason why that they're able to screw us over
Speaker 3: so bad and do all of these things, is because
Speaker 3: of the mind control. Because if we weren't force fed
Speaker 3: propaganda after syop after syop after propaganda, then maybe we
Speaker 3: actually might stand up and stop these people. But unfortunately
Speaker 3: we are just spoon fed what they want us to believe.
Speaker 3: And so I really do believe that this is the
Speaker 3: crux of the issue, which is kind of why that's
Speaker 3: like the basis of all my research.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I get so you're basically saying that
Speaker 2: all human before I even say that, How deep and
Speaker 2: how far do you believe this goes? Do you believe
Speaker 2: this is a global phenomena? Do you believe that it's
Speaker 2: primarily American and the rest of the world kind of
Speaker 2: takes their notes and takes their lead from America? To
Speaker 2: what level do you believe? Oh?
Speaker 3: I think America even to this day is still the
Speaker 3: king or queen, whatever you want to call it doesn't
Speaker 3: really matter. But we are the top. We are the
Speaker 3: innovators of mind control. I think other countries obviously work
Speaker 3: with the United States. Obviously, I think Tavistock had had
Speaker 3: the crown for a long time, and that's you know,
Speaker 3: from the UK. But I really do think that since
Speaker 3: the seventies, the United States has been top dog as
Speaker 3: far as programming mind control and everything, And so I
Speaker 3: do believe that it is world worldwide. I mean, why
Speaker 3: wouldn't it be so. I mean, these techniques can be
Speaker 3: used by anybody, They can be used by cult leaders,
Speaker 3: and they are that's partially what mk Ultra turned into
Speaker 3: was underground cults, Satanist groups. That's kind of what we're
Speaker 3: seeing with like seven six four in the order of
Speaker 3: nine angles stuff today. But almost every single clandestine operation
Speaker 3: there's some form of mind control or Manchurian candidate involvement.
Speaker 3: I mean, whether we're talking Operation Gladio, where we're talking
Speaker 3: Operation Phoenix, like, it doesn't matter, it all goes back
Speaker 3: to mind control at some point. So I really do
Speaker 3: just think like that's the ultimate crux of the whole thing.
Speaker 3: I mean, news media, Like the impact that the media
Speaker 3: has had on people just in general. I am just
Speaker 3: mind boggling.
Speaker 2: I am happy that more people are waking up to
Speaker 2: the fact that mainstream media is full of shit, regardless
Speaker 2: if you are on the left or the right side
Speaker 2: of it. Right, well, I prefer Fox overseeing and Okay, yeah,
Speaker 2: I hear you, but understand that's just propaganda on the
Speaker 2: other side, Like it's the same thing, is just appealing
Speaker 2: more towards your personal interests. It doesn't make it any
Speaker 2: less fake or less full of shit.
Speaker 3: Right right, And honestly, this is the only thing I
Speaker 3: will credit Trump with is destroying that barrier for so
Speaker 3: many people. Yeah, I think that's the only good thing
Speaker 3: he's done. I think it's a very good thing he's done.
Speaker 3: I don't believe that that, uh counteracts all the shitty
Speaker 3: things he's done by any means, But I think that's
Speaker 3: the only good thing that I've seen him do since
Speaker 3: he entered politics, since twenty sixteen, the whole fake news thing,
Speaker 3: and it's spread because even the left doesn't believe CNN anymore,
Speaker 3: you know, It's like nobody believes mainstream media.
Speaker 2: So I mean there's so many cases where, like CNN
Speaker 2: in just particular, the quote unquote mostly peaceful protests as
Speaker 2: the person on the ground reporting this has a burning
Speaker 2: building and a cop car flipped over behind them, and
Speaker 2: it's like, I mean, it doesn't even take that crazy
Speaker 2: of a logical brain to see that y'all are lying,
Speaker 2: like overtly lying. But then y'all also have the people
Speaker 2: at Fox that have, Yeah, there's like Trump derangement syndrome
Speaker 2: on both side of it. Half these people believe that
Speaker 2: if he saves a kitten from a tree, they'll find
Speaker 2: some way to say that Trump hates trees, you know.
Speaker 2: And then on the other side, if he any thing
Speaker 2: that he does is either completely from the devil or
Speaker 2: completely from Jesus. And it's like this, y'all understand that
Speaker 2: both of those are equally psychotic. But I mean, and
Speaker 2: they had.
Speaker 3: That same rhetoric for every politic you've got bluing on,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the same for whatever politician, whatever flavor you have,
Speaker 2: whatever religious ideology you have, it's your algorithm is pushing
Speaker 2: a certain thing your way to where it's just kind
Speaker 2: of force feeds you perpetual things that to make your
Speaker 2: brain just react the way it does and it's mind blowing.
Speaker 2: But like you said, more and more people are waking
Speaker 2: up to that, and I think Trump had a lot
Speaker 2: to do with that. I think, and we've talked about
Speaker 2: this a good bit too. I think Epstein Island getting
Speaker 2: talked about into the regular, your average Joe zeitgeist now
Speaker 2: because we talked about this in twenty fourteen.
Speaker 4: Like Epstein is a household name now.
Speaker 2: Right in twenty fourteen, if you were to tell your homeboy, like,
Speaker 2: you know, there's an island where these elites are taking
Speaker 2: these kids and doing horrible shit, they looked at you
Speaker 2: like you were crazy. And now it's like, wait a minute, Well,
Speaker 2: of course they were, and it's like, yeah, they've been
Speaker 2: doing that for decades. It's not new, and that wasn't
Speaker 2: the worst island. So cut to now when it's then
Speaker 2: Donald Trump happened, and the fake media happened and all
Speaker 2: these other things. So people are and then COVID happened,
Speaker 2: and so people are more willing to question the quote
Speaker 2: unquote narrative now more than ever before. But unfortunately, as
Speaker 2: we are in the age of information, we are also
Speaker 2: in the age of disinformation. So it's like as much
Speaker 2: truth as being pumped out, there's almost three times more
Speaker 2: falsehoods that are being pumped.
Speaker 3: Out right, right, and that that is the opposite side
Speaker 3: of this, right, This is why I believe that QAnon
Speaker 3: has been so successful, because q and on is is
Speaker 3: a counter operation, right, Like, it's brought out to make
Speaker 3: people that ask legitimate questions seem crazy.
Speaker 4: It's a way to write them off.
Speaker 3: It's also a way to make sure that people don't
Speaker 3: do anything right, trust the plan, don't do anything people you.
Speaker 2: Believe QAnon is a real thing, or do you believe
Speaker 2: it's a syop? Because I've heard arguments from Okay, leaning
Speaker 2: way more towards the siop side of things. Now, when
Speaker 2: it first came out, it.
Speaker 3: Is a thing, it is a thing, but it's a
Speaker 3: fake thing, you know. So like but this it's like
Speaker 3: a boomer trap, you know. And here's here's the problem
Speaker 3: with it is because there is real information in it.
Speaker 3: But that's how you know it's a disinformation campaign is
Speaker 3: because any disinformation agent has to release real information, period
Speaker 3: they have to. It's the one percent of information that's
Speaker 3: wrong that sends you off course, because a one degree
Speaker 3: drift off course, like if if anyone has ever used
Speaker 3: a map to navigate anything, if you're one degree off course,
Speaker 3: that sends you way off course. And that's how disinformation works,
Speaker 3: or count counterintelligence misinformation, that's how that works. And so
Speaker 3: there's a lot of true information, but then they throw
Speaker 3: in the kernels of bad information and so it's like
Speaker 3: a minefield, right, and you know, lose a limb over there,
Speaker 3: lose limb over there metaphorically speaking. So yeah, QAnon total psyop, right,
Speaker 3: And it's to get people to not do anything.
Speaker 2: Because you think is running it, somebody from the.
Speaker 3: Pentagon, some some some Reddit nerd, you know, like it's
Speaker 3: it's it's not that complicated as the thing, right, and
Speaker 3: you throw in some mysticism and some like occult stuff
Speaker 3: in there, some numerology, and all of a sudden boom,
Speaker 3: that's it. Like it's I mean, hell, at this point,
Speaker 3: they could literally set up q On like an AI drop,
Speaker 3: you know, like it, you know.
Speaker 2: And here some believe it has been the whole time, right.
Speaker 4: And it totally could.
Speaker 3: I think there there is human intervention at some level.
Speaker 3: I think there there has to be, Like they're guiding it.
Speaker 3: They're the the the bumpers to the bowling lane, I guess,
Speaker 3: you know, but it's it's I think largely even the
Speaker 3: fans of QAnon I think are like a bot farm.
Speaker 3: So you know, I think it's field full of bots
Speaker 3: all over the place. Even the contractors to it, I
Speaker 3: think are bots.
Speaker 2: Oh that's across the air andet in totality was it?
Speaker 2: Remember when Elon bought Twitter and now it's x and
Speaker 2: people still call it Twitter or whatever, and he said
Speaker 2: he was going to clean out all the bots, and
Speaker 2: he was expecting that it was like going to be
Speaker 2: twenty percent bots and it was going to be no
Speaker 2: big deal. He gets there and buys it and looks
Speaker 2: at it. He's like, no, no, this is like eighty
Speaker 2: five percent bots. What the fuck is this? And then
Speaker 2: he like pretty much let quote unquote free speech rain
Speaker 2: and the bots have been drastically reduced, but they are
Speaker 2: still I'll give it a fifty to fifty spread now.
Speaker 3: Right, Well, that was the whole reason for the verification
Speaker 3: on the site was that only humans can verify, so
Speaker 3: that that was the whole, the whole, like when he
Speaker 3: announced the idea of verification, that was the whole reason
Speaker 3: for it. You pay ten bucks and you're guaranteed to
Speaker 3: be a person, so.
Speaker 2: Which is also crazy because I mean, I feel like
Speaker 2: a computer program could send ten dollars from point A
Speaker 2: to point B. I don't know.
Speaker 3: And you know what's crazy to me is the fact
Speaker 3: that capture still works.
Speaker 4: Those CAPTUA designs.
Speaker 3: Is like pick out all all the traffic lights, and
Speaker 3: all of a sudden, like AI reaches a capture and they're.
Speaker 6: Like, I never understood that.
Speaker 2: So I looked into those I looked into what about
Speaker 2: that lets the program know that you're a human. It's
Speaker 2: the way your mouse moves because a computer is either
Speaker 2: going to go directly in a straight line, as like
Speaker 2: just the quickest way from point A to point B,
Speaker 2: and or it's gonna you remember those old uh etch
Speaker 2: of sketches that you'd only be able to go up
Speaker 2: at angle a certain angle, and so like a computer
Speaker 2: is gonna go hard right angles in nine degree turns,
Speaker 2: and shit, right, a human is going to there's gonna
Speaker 2: be a little bit of sway in or whatever. I'm like,
Speaker 2: it's very easy to rune a program to do that.
Speaker 2: That is the one thing standing in the way of
Speaker 2: AI taking over the world is some fucking street light pictures.
Speaker 2: But sure, all right, so far it's working, but not
Speaker 2: for much longer.
Speaker 3: I don't think anyway, right, And you know what's crazy
Speaker 3: about it, It's it's because it the reason I think
Speaker 3: it works is because it's so simple.
Speaker 4: It's stupid, you know.
Speaker 3: It's just like one of those uniquely human things that
Speaker 3: AI just can't get.
Speaker 4: Yet You're right, it.
Speaker 3: Will one day be got right and capture won't work anymore.
Speaker 3: And it's it's obviously not full proof, but but I
Speaker 3: think it just takes it takes enough out of it
Speaker 3: that there's enough success rate that it still works. But yeah,
Speaker 3: one day, I mean supposedly we already have quantum computing,
Speaker 3: you know, at you know, Google's already done this and stuff,
Speaker 3: and so who knows exactly how long that's going to last.
Speaker 3: Probably a year or two, I mean five at best.
Speaker 2: What why do you say this?
Speaker 4: What?
Speaker 2: What exactly why do you say the quantum computing is
Speaker 2: only gonna last another five years? Or do you mean
Speaker 2: captures only last five years?
Speaker 3: Because with the quantum computing, that's going to actually allow
Speaker 3: for AI to mimic the certain certain human characteristics are
Speaker 3: detectable through capture puzzles.
Speaker 2: Gotcha.
Speaker 3: Got So that's that's why I would say something like that,
Speaker 3: because it's going to be a lot easier for AI
Speaker 3: to actually start mimicking Uh, these little human I mean,
Speaker 3: I'm quite sure what to call it. Yes, the uniquely
Speaker 3: human mannerisms that machines just can't copy.
Speaker 4: They just don't understand it.
Speaker 3: So, like some of my favorite videos on Instagram right
Speaker 3: now is these these videos that show somebody taking a
Speaker 3: picture and then telling chat GBT to recreate the picture
Speaker 3: exactly the same, don't change anything, And it's a whole
Speaker 3: string of photos and each photo gets different and different
Speaker 3: and different and different. It cannot recreate us.
Speaker 4: It's artificial.
Speaker 3: Right, we are genuine intelligence, we are human intelligence, it's
Speaker 3: still artificial. So I think with quantum computing, it's going
Speaker 3: to start changing things, right right, I think it's going
Speaker 3: to start picking up on these things. However, even with
Speaker 3: quantum computing, I don't think AI will actually ever reach
Speaker 3: the quality of what these technocrats actually want, what these
Speaker 3: transhumanists want. I don't think that it will ever be
Speaker 3: capable of it, because we are the closest thing to
Speaker 3: perfection that could ever exist, because we are created by
Speaker 3: God and no man can create anything that can recreate that.
Speaker 3: So not going to stop them from trying though, for sure.
Speaker 3: And there's there's gonna be a whole lot of death
Speaker 3: on the way, you know, because every time these people
Speaker 3: get involved, it's anytime you get like a megalomaniac with
Speaker 3: a god complex that thinks I know best for all
Speaker 3: of humanity, people die. Yeah, it happens every time.
Speaker 2: So what's your take on Genesis? Genesis, Raven, you know
Speaker 2: more about this than I do.
Speaker 5: It's the AI program that Donald Trump just signed into office.
Speaker 5: It's under the guise of an environmental push to keep
Speaker 5: everything safe, but it's also but it's also mainly set
Speaker 5: up for war defense, and they want to be pushing
Speaker 5: right now, the race of the super ai is on
Speaker 5: between Russia, China, US and I don't think anybody else really,
Speaker 5: but this is pretty much they have free superpowers. So well,
Speaker 5: it's a whole situation to try to get our defenses
Speaker 5: up because as of right now, you know, Russia and
Speaker 5: China joined forces with each other for the Moon exploration
Speaker 5: and putting the Lunar space station up there and stuff
Speaker 5: like that, and so he's pretty much using genesis as
Speaker 5: keeping the environment safe moving forward and doing all this stuff,
Speaker 5: also using it for wartime and creating like the ultimate defenses.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 3: So, first and foremost, the one thing I'll say is
Speaker 3: the United States fucked up when we constantly kept going
Speaker 3: against Russia. Russia wanted to be allies at one point, yeah,
Speaker 3: and we should have been period.
Speaker 2: Well, when the Soviet Union fell, NATO should have gone
Speaker 2: away too, because that was the entire purpose of it.
Speaker 3: Right, And in fact, Russia actually even asked to become
Speaker 3: a member of NATO after the Soviet Union collapsed several times,
Speaker 3: and the United the US kept like basically spitting in
Speaker 3: their face and just said yeah, right, whatever nerd shoving
Speaker 3: them right back in a locker. Well, what that dida
Speaker 3: has pushed them into the arms of China. So here
Speaker 3: we are so as far as like Gemini, I mean,
Speaker 3: so the idea really is is to start AI governance. Really,
Speaker 3: it's supposed to get rid of the human intervention in
Speaker 3: the first place, so basically skynet, you know, because what
Speaker 3: they're going to start pushing is this idea that humans
Speaker 3: are fallible.
Speaker 4: AI is perfect. Well, no, it's not right exactly. And
Speaker 4: then this.
Speaker 3: Is why we see it in every aspect of our lives.
Speaker 3: AI is everywhere ever risk that we use.
Speaker 2: Albania has their Minister of Procurement is now an AI chatbot.
Speaker 3: Right, which is insane to me. AI is not only hallucinating,
Speaker 3: it's getting less accurate. And this includes the military versions.
Speaker 3: So this isn't just what's available to us, but it
Speaker 3: is hallucinating, it's getting less and less accurate. But here's
Speaker 3: one of the biggest problems with all AI is that
Speaker 3: AI has now started feeding itself for the learning. So
Speaker 3: the learning, what what is being fed to AI to
Speaker 3: learn off of was created by AI, So it's now
Speaker 3: eating itself.
Speaker 2: The Internet theory, right, so basically.
Speaker 3: So it's like we're building this AI bubble, right, And
Speaker 3: this is why I'm I'm scared of AI because I
Speaker 3: think like we're gonna put so much into it that
Speaker 3: so much is going to be reliant upon it, and
Speaker 3: then when the bubble pops, everything goes, you know. So
Speaker 3: I'm scared of it for that reason. I don't think
Speaker 3: like it's it's still so stupid that I'm not worried
Speaker 3: about it taking over on its own, you know, the
Speaker 3: Singularity and stuff.
Speaker 4: I think you're not fairy tale. No, I'm not.
Speaker 2: Okay, break this down for us, because we just had
Speaker 2: a guy on who says that is clearly right around
Speaker 2: the corner. And I mean it depends on who you
Speaker 2: talk to in the conspiracy community. So you're saying that
Speaker 2: the Singularity is not going to go down, Explain.
Speaker 3: Well, because for the very for the very simple fact
Speaker 3: that humans created it, the Singularity is a very So
Speaker 3: the Singularity would be like us recreating the Big Bang.
Speaker 4: We can't do that.
Speaker 2: No, but this is also essentially that, but on the internet, right.
Speaker 3: It Yeah, essentially, But once AI starts feeding itself, which
Speaker 3: is the problem because AI is only as good as
Speaker 3: the information you give it, right, this is actually not
Speaker 3: real intelligence. What this is it's basically a positive feedback loop.
Speaker 2: So you don't believe the AI will ever become sentient.
Speaker 4: I believe that it could be possible.
Speaker 3: I think what's not being taken into account, at least
Speaker 3: maybe right now, is that humans are still human. It's
Speaker 3: not taking the human element into account because you got
Speaker 3: to remember, the people creating this have these ideals, these
Speaker 3: grandiose ideals of utopia and everything's perfect all the time. Also,
Speaker 3: they're rushing, they're rushing right, everything's got to be done
Speaker 3: right now. Nothing ever works out that way, It never does.
Speaker 3: So do I think the singularity is possible in the
Speaker 3: way that people are describing, Yeah, one hundred percent.
Speaker 4: I think it's possible.
Speaker 3: I don't think it's going to happen because, for one,
Speaker 3: life just doesn't work out that way.
Speaker 4: It just doesn't ever.
Speaker 3: Second of all, because the problem is is that the
Speaker 3: programs themselves are already eating themselves. So that's going to
Speaker 3: break down the systems before we even get there. So
Speaker 3: we saw this huge, great takeoff, right and now we're
Speaker 3: starting to see the decline. Now, could it be fixed?
Speaker 3: Could it be could it be set back on course.
Speaker 3: I think it could, but I think human greed is
Speaker 3: going to step in, and that's where we're at. We're
Speaker 3: trying to like, like you mentioned earlier, all of these
Speaker 3: countries are all trying to fight to get the top AI. Right,
Speaker 3: what happens when we do?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 4: What? What's it? What's I mean?
Speaker 3: There's technically never going to be a top AI until
Speaker 3: the singularity is reached. But I don't see that happening.
Speaker 2: So allegedly, and now I'm not even saying that one
Speaker 2: hundred percent believe that this is reality, but this is
Speaker 2: the going narrative in the conspiracy world. Whichever country wins
Speaker 2: the AI race will then be able to develop the
Speaker 2: laws surrounding AI. Now I understand the talking point. I
Speaker 2: don't think that's how it goes. That's like saying the
Speaker 2: first person that or the first country that creates firearms
Speaker 2: creates all firearm legislation. I don't think that's how that
Speaker 2: actually works. But it's a fun theory because it's all
Speaker 2: about the data collection right now, right and it's a
Speaker 2: big race to collect all of the data, and whoever
Speaker 2: collects the most data when we get to whatever arbitrary
Speaker 2: finish line that the global leads decide is because like
Speaker 2: the Space race quote unquote ended whenever Russia had won
Speaker 2: every step of the race until we arbitrarily decided that
Speaker 2: the moon was the finish line. That was never intended
Speaker 2: to be the finish line. America just decided that the
Speaker 2: first person gets to the moon wins. Ready to go.
Speaker 2: It's like, wait, we've already beat you on the first
Speaker 2: ten legs of this race, but all right, cool. I
Speaker 2: think the AI race is going to be the same way.
Speaker 2: Whenever they decide that X amount of data and I
Speaker 2: don't even know, I don't even have a way to
Speaker 2: quantify how much that's going to be when the time comes,
Speaker 2: or what type of data whatever it you know, to vary.
Speaker 2: It varies country to country, honestly, But whenever country a
Speaker 2: versus country, b them versus us to whatever brand you
Speaker 2: want to put on that gets the most data, or
Speaker 2: whatever the case, they'll just decide it's over. But then
Speaker 2: so what, especially when you look at how China has
Speaker 2: been stealing every fucking thing that America has developed over
Speaker 2: the last three decades, held the biggest that's the one
Speaker 2: good thing that they really do, really, I mean the
Speaker 2: whole what was it called the deep sea or deep
Speaker 2: blue I forget what it was called, but basically the
Speaker 2: little whale AI or whatever. Yeah, And it was at
Speaker 2: that moment the best AI that America had. China came
Speaker 2: in and stole it. And we know that because they
Speaker 2: left the back door to their file open to where
Speaker 2: we could see that. It was a scene. Right, They're
Speaker 2: not they're really good at stealing. They're not like intellectually
Speaker 2: that great, although they're the ones that are leading as
Speaker 2: far as the fission conversation is concerned, right right, So,
Speaker 2: I mean they got some, but as far as the
Speaker 2: AI race is concerned.
Speaker 3: Who knows, like where they got that information though, I
Speaker 3: mean they invented gunpowder and what have they done since then?
Speaker 5: You know, I mean we were all working together conversation.
Speaker 3: I mean down at the South Pole. You know, who
Speaker 3: knows what's going on down there? So it's like because
Speaker 3: we all get along down there for some reason.
Speaker 4: But I just.
Speaker 3: It's funny you mentioned the space race, because that's what
Speaker 3: I think this is because once again we view this
Speaker 3: as if you know, behind the scenes, Russia, China, and
Speaker 3: the United States are not all getting along because they're
Speaker 3: all on the same team.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: Do I think that there are barring factions publicly and
Speaker 3: behind the scenes, Yeah, I do. Of course, not all
Speaker 3: of these factions get along, right, especially all the time
Speaker 3: people are always fighting for power and wealth and all
Speaker 3: of these different things. Mainly power though, but ultimately, I mean,
Speaker 3: I think that I think the singularity or the end
Speaker 3: of the AI race is going to be like the
Speaker 3: moon landing, just like you said, you know, I and
Speaker 3: I don't know where you guys stand, but I am
Speaker 3: wholeheartedly believed that that was just bullshit all the way through,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 2: I Okay, So that being said, are you a flat earther?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 2: Okay? Did make it sure? Makeing sure?
Speaker 3: Well, I'll even say this even if it is.
Speaker 4: I just I don't really care, you know, It's just
Speaker 4: one of these things.
Speaker 3: I'm just like, you know, I care more about the
Speaker 3: Satanic pedophiles running running my government than I do if
Speaker 3: the Earth is flat or not.
Speaker 4: It could be.
Speaker 3: You know that The one thing I will give flat
Speaker 3: earthers is that, you know, it's really compelling. It's not impossible,
Speaker 3: I guess. But the one criticism I say is the uh,
Speaker 3: just the maintenance bill on something like this would be
Speaker 3: it would it would it would have to be like
Speaker 3: such such a grand maintenance plan, and it would have
Speaker 3: to be you know, technology, we have no no concept
Speaker 3: of like all of these other things.
Speaker 4: So no, I'm definitely not a flat earther. I like
Speaker 4: to entertain the idea.
Speaker 3: I think it's fun, but uh yeah, either way, I
Speaker 3: just don't really care.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 3: That's that's kind of where I where I've kind of landed.
Speaker 2: With it, you see. Okay, okay, Now that led to
Speaker 2: the next question I was gonna say. I believe the
Speaker 2: first one was probably fake. I do believe we've been since,
Speaker 2: but I also have no way to quantify that. You know,
Speaker 2: which mission was the one who went to the Moon?
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know, but I do believe that, Yeah,
Speaker 2: the first one, it's very clear that was made in
Speaker 2: a Hollywood studio. I'm comfortable with that. But now we
Speaker 2: currently have three countries all seeing who can build a
Speaker 2: lunar base power by nuclear energy. First, I don't believe
Speaker 2: that that's for the for the for the lulls, right.
Speaker 2: I don't believe all these countries are doing it just
Speaker 2: to try to check each other, because they all know
Speaker 2: it's fake, and they all know the Moon's not real,
Speaker 2: so they're seeing who's going to call the bullshit on
Speaker 2: each other first. There's too many trillions of dollars that
Speaker 2: are being funneled into this shit, right yeah.
Speaker 3: Right, yeah, No, I actually agree with that the moon
Speaker 3: landing was fake. Yeah, like it was a great Hollywood production.
Speaker 3: It totally you know, freaked a bunch of people out.
Speaker 3: It totally you know, revved up the you know, nationalistic,
Speaker 3: patriotic side of America, you know, and got a bunch
Speaker 3: of kids interested in the.
Speaker 4: Space program again. You know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's kind of cool in that aspect, But
Speaker 3: it was a propaganda machine because honestly, my opinion is
Speaker 3: is that the Soviet Union won the space race with Sputnik. Yeah,
Speaker 3: like that was it, you know.
Speaker 2: But then they also kind of showed their incompetence with Theika,
Speaker 2: the dog that they torched alive and shit, and it's
Speaker 2: like there was a there was a missteps for sure,
Speaker 2: oh yeah. But at the same time, yeah, as far
Speaker 2: as who's putting something up there first, yeah, Russia definitely
Speaker 2: beat us on that one.
Speaker 3: Right right, well, and they were never going to win
Speaker 3: in the long run anyways, right, because I mean just
Speaker 3: just look at look at Chernobyl. In my opinion, the
Speaker 3: reason the Soviet Union finally collapsed, right because there were
Speaker 3: problems behind the scene. You can't hide the truth forever, right,
Speaker 3: And that's another reason I also have hope in a
Speaker 3: lot of this stuff is because the truth never stays buried.
Speaker 4: Period. It might take one hundred years to come out,
Speaker 4: but it won't stay buried forever. It just can't.
Speaker 5: But in one hundred years, the narrative can change. That's
Speaker 5: how they can change a narrative at any point one
Speaker 5: hundred years and it can continuously change. I did have
Speaker 5: a question though about MK ultra. Do you think that
Speaker 5: the actual origins of it is a lot older than
Speaker 5: just the fifties, because if you look at the propaganda
Speaker 5: that was printed when the printing press came about, or
Speaker 5: hearsay even throughout the Middle Ages and stuff, you'd have
Speaker 5: people spread miss information. Do you think it started way
Speaker 5: back when and then it was just more monopolized as
Speaker 5: it became closer to an era where they had actual
Speaker 5: scientific data proof that this would work.
Speaker 4: Okay, So.
Speaker 3: That's actually probably the best question I think I've ever
Speaker 3: been asked regarding this. So it kind of depends on
Speaker 3: exactly what you quantify as mkulture and like what what
Speaker 3: like you determined that mkulture was and the purpose and
Speaker 3: all of this stuff. So I guess without going into
Speaker 3: like a huge, like academic lecture about.
Speaker 2: This, you can totally get into an academic lecture. We're
Speaker 2: here for it.
Speaker 3: So, yes, I do believe that this goes way further back. Right,
Speaker 3: What what I believe is that, uh, the elites of
Speaker 3: this world, regardless of the generation of the year, whatever,
Speaker 3: they raised their kids in a very particular way. Unlike
Speaker 3: the average person. They raised their kids without empathy, you know,
Speaker 3: not touching the kids when they were little babies, you know,
Speaker 3: not giving them and just get too contact, locking them
Speaker 3: in cages, treating them very cruelly. Right, there was a
Speaker 3: very particular way that the elite raised their children without empathy,
Speaker 3: without human emotion. Basically, why they do this, I don't know.
Speaker 3: There's a lot of theory to that. But what I believe, well,
Speaker 3: the CIA, I basically believe is the Rockefeller's personal army,
Speaker 3: and it's basically been proven to be such. And so
Speaker 3: what the CIA did when they started mk Ultra was
Speaker 3: they took a lot of these traditions of these elite families,
Speaker 3: and they actually put the science behind it. So they
Speaker 3: took something that was a tradition, they knew these things.
Speaker 3: It was kind of more witchcraft, it was kind of
Speaker 3: more tradition. It was more of these things. And what
Speaker 3: kure was, I believe, is taking these these traditions because
Speaker 3: they knew it mind controlled people.
Speaker 4: They knew it changed people.
Speaker 3: They knew that alters existed, they knew that multiple personalities existed.
Speaker 3: But then they finally put the science behind it, and
Speaker 3: they finally got it on lock so that you could
Speaker 3: put it in a book, right, or you could teach it.
Speaker 3: And I believe that that's what mkulture was. But these ideas,
Speaker 3: the very concept of controlling another human being through your
Speaker 3: mind like a zombie, like a voodoo zombie, right, I mean,
Speaker 3: these concepts go back thousands of years. So the idea
Speaker 3: of mind control, it's not new at all, I believe.
Speaker 3: So the techniques, the very specific techniques in which we
Speaker 3: learned in MK Ultra, I believe are knew or newer. Okay, So,
Speaker 3: but I do believe that the basis of what started
Speaker 3: mk ultra has existed for hundreds, if not thousands of years.
Speaker 5: Okay, I mean I agree with you. I could even
Speaker 5: argue that like pharaohs for example. You know, if you
Speaker 5: experiment with people and using fear tactics and things as such,
Speaker 5: and you know that you can control the masses by
Speaker 5: whatever you say or do or you take away certain aspects.
Speaker 5: And then you add that to generations of wealth and
Speaker 5: of the elites and manipulating politics, manipulating what people think.
Speaker 5: I mean, the heretics, burning people at the stake, you
Speaker 5: name it. Throughout time, they've done different things, and it's
Speaker 5: all from word and predictive programming and watching how people react,
Speaker 5: especially when they become in a sheep mindset where it's
Speaker 5: easily swayed by everyone else around me is doing this,
Speaker 5: so I must fit in. And then you add in
Speaker 5: the science that we didn't have that was probably you know,
Speaker 5: created that. I mean, it started in the eighteen hundreds
Speaker 5: when they were really sixteen seventeen, eighteen hundreds, they were
Speaker 5: really fascinated even more with how brains work and the
Speaker 5: different say, you know, different mental health disorders and stuff
Speaker 5: like that. And then you couple that in with everything
Speaker 5: else moving forward and experimenting through all of that time
Speaker 5: when there was no regulations.
Speaker 6: Then get to the nineteen.
Speaker 5: Hundreds when they're more regulations and things had to be
Speaker 5: more strategic. And then now I think they just upgraded
Speaker 5: it and made it faster. Instead of taking generations to
Speaker 5: program people or using tactics that are now considered unethical,
Speaker 5: then they just made it where it's more insidious, and
Speaker 5: people are less likely to understand that they are being programmed,
Speaker 5: and they aren't realizing that they're shoving this on their
Speaker 5: children as well, and that they're eating it up day
Speaker 5: in and day out, and so now it's become a
Speaker 5: problem to where they don't even recognize that it's happening
Speaker 5: to them.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean even the term ethical has changed to
Speaker 2: century to century and culture to culture. So I mean
Speaker 2: whatever a leader feels is the quote unquote correct move
Speaker 2: to do to his people as a way to get
Speaker 2: them to respond, to react to a certain situation in
Speaker 2: the right way. I mean, what's considered good has been
Speaker 2: subjective over the centuries. I mean, the hell Rome was
Speaker 2: all about the you know, you send the mob to
Speaker 2: the forgiven bread and circus, and that's how you get
Speaker 2: them to love you. Meanwhile, there were other leaders throughout
Speaker 2: time that believed in submission by fear. Prussia right, Russia
Speaker 2: is a great example of that. Hell the Impalers. There's
Speaker 2: it depends on which section of time and to which
Speaker 2: dynasty you're talking about. There's yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 3: So I'm actually a flat supporter. I actually think he
Speaker 3: gets a bad rap. But that's that's another discussion.
Speaker 2: I'm not I'm not disagreeing with you. I do think
Speaker 2: that the women and children should have and could have
Speaker 2: been left out of it. However, he sent a message
Speaker 2: and it was very effective.
Speaker 4: Take that how you want it, right exactly.
Speaker 3: So to add on to your point, I actually so
Speaker 3: I kind of get some pushback on this opinion. My
Speaker 3: personal opinion is is that mk Ultra actually did end
Speaker 3: in seventy three or seventy four, depending on who you
Speaker 3: talk to who you ask, because mk Ultra, in my opinion,
Speaker 3: was the research and development side of things.
Speaker 4: They went live.
Speaker 3: They took everything that they learned and they went live
Speaker 3: with it, so they didn't need to research and develop anymore.
Speaker 3: And they still do a little bit, but it's it's
Speaker 3: fine tuning, right, It's not the main core of the
Speaker 3: whole research and development. So I believe MK ultra did
Speaker 3: end in the early seventies when they say it did,
Speaker 3: because it did. MK ultra was kind of an umbrella
Speaker 3: program or an umbrella name for you know, at least
Speaker 3: what we officially know, as you know, one hundred and
Speaker 3: forty nine subprojects. There were very clearly more with MK Naomi,
Speaker 3: MK Search, MK often, chick Wit, you know, all of
Speaker 3: these other things. So I kind of just use MK
Speaker 3: ultra though, as just like an all encompassing term for
Speaker 3: all of it.
Speaker 2: Though most people don't know about these other operations, but they,
Speaker 2: like you said, we're all under MK culture, So it's
Speaker 2: it is the overarching term for.
Speaker 3: Sure, right well, and then then you've got co intel Pro,
Speaker 3: you've got Chaos, You've got you know, all of these
Speaker 3: other programs. And that's just what we know of, you know,
Speaker 3: and it's so out of what we know, there's probably
Speaker 3: two thirds of what we don't know. And that's just
Speaker 3: kind of my guess, just based on my personal opinion
Speaker 3: from what I know about how these people operate. But
Speaker 3: I believe the research and development did end, at least
Speaker 3: for a lot of stuff. I do believe that research
Speaker 3: and development continued for today's technology stuff later on, but
Speaker 3: it was nowhere nearest structured as mk ultra. It happened
Speaker 3: on a much smaller scale, and it happened way more.
Speaker 3: It was way more decentralized than mk ultra.
Speaker 2: It was.
Speaker 3: They were not going to make that mistake again because
Speaker 3: that was a mistake on their part. It's everything being
Speaker 3: so structured and rigid, and because I don't.
Speaker 4: Think that this was supposed to be exposed at all.
Speaker 3: Ever, if it was up to you know, people like
Speaker 3: William Colby, Richard Helms, who was the one who gave
Speaker 3: the orders to actually destroy everything, although I do think
Speaker 3: Alan Doles was probably the driving force behind that, even
Speaker 3: though you know all of these if it was up
Speaker 3: to them.
Speaker 4: We would have never known a period.
Speaker 3: And it was a complete fluke that those financial records
Speaker 3: were kept around because who actually would have thought of
Speaker 3: those because I'm sure they were shitting their pants, like shit,
Speaker 3: how are we gonna do this?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 3: But they gave us just enough with the Church Committee
Speaker 3: hearings to say yeah, we were doing this. But then
Speaker 3: the narrative is that it all failed, right, it didn't work.
Speaker 3: We spent twenty years, you know, hundreds of millions of
Speaker 3: dollars of taxpayer dollars. We'd lied to you about everything,
Speaker 3: but we gave it up because it didn't work. But
Speaker 3: at the very same time, in the very same time frame,
Speaker 3: we're also expected to believe that Charles Manson, a man
Speaker 3: who is a junior high dropout, a petty criminal, not
Speaker 3: a dumb man, but not a genius by any means,
Speaker 3: not even a higher end IQ person I would imagine,
Speaker 3: probably on the lower end of average. We're expected to
Speaker 3: believe that he, by himself was able to figure out
Speaker 3: what the CIA didn't, and he was able to brainwash
Speaker 3: people in this little cult and commit these two murders
Speaker 3: to start a race war like we're expected to believe
Speaker 3: that that happened. But yet twenty years of intentional mind
Speaker 3: control research and hundreds of millions of dollars later, and
Speaker 3: the CIA couldn't. No, I ain't buying it. I ain't
Speaker 3: buying it.
Speaker 2: So do you believe that Charles Manson, and I'm just
Speaker 2: gonna use him as the let's just say the prelude
Speaker 2: for everything else. But do you think that he tied
Speaker 2: into what would later become the Satanic panic or do
Speaker 2: you think that he was more of a footnote.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, no, I believe he's what really started it. Okay,
Speaker 3: so specifically not just Charles Manson, but the Manson killings,
Speaker 3: specifically the Take killings.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So the murder of Sharon Tate and everyone else that
Speaker 3: was there that night, Abigail Folger and everyone else. I
Speaker 3: think that the start of what we now know as
Speaker 3: the Satanic Panic. I think there were things like prequels
Speaker 3: to that. You know, you had, like ed Geen right,
Speaker 3: you had you had earlier cases. You had the murders
Speaker 3: in Texarcana which ended up being turned into that film,
Speaker 3: the sound that or the town that Dreaded Sundown, So
Speaker 3: like you had things that led up to it, but
Speaker 3: nothing like Manson had happened before that. It was the
Speaker 3: first nationally broadcasted court case like that, And up to
Speaker 3: that point we had never like the idea of brainwashing
Speaker 3: and mind control was out into the ether, right, it
Speaker 3: was out out into the social consciousness, but it was
Speaker 3: more onlike a military aspect, right, like movies like The
Speaker 3: Man Cheerian Candidate, right, And so the idea was out
Speaker 3: and there was a fear of it. You know, this
Speaker 3: was largely the excuse for MK ultra being started to
Speaker 3: begin with, was that our communist counterparts were able to
Speaker 3: brainwash our soldiers, and so we've got to learn how
Speaker 3: to fight back. But there was never there was never
Speaker 3: the idea socially that just one of us, just any
Speaker 3: one of us, could be able to do the same
Speaker 3: things that we the people. The individual person is the monster,
Speaker 3: not Dracula, not Frankenstein. Right, And this is why we
Speaker 3: also see horror movies change at this time period. Right,
Speaker 3: we see Alfred Hitchcock do Psycho, which was a massive
Speaker 3: change because before that it was movies like Frankenstein, Dracula,
Speaker 3: it was the classic monsters, right, great movies. Psycho, great movie,
Speaker 3: but that changed it from the monster under the bed
Speaker 3: to the Scooby Doo trope of the humans are the
Speaker 3: real monsters.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I think that's what Manson did with True Crime, That's
Speaker 3: what Manson did with mind control, with drug use, with
Speaker 3: with almost everything. They were able to spin that and
Speaker 3: be able to pump pump the fear into the American people.
Speaker 3: Hitchhiking was demonized, which you know, probably not a good
Speaker 3: idea to do that anyways, but they were able to
Speaker 3: just pump this fear and that was the whole idea.
Speaker 3: That's the whole idea of the satanic panic. That's the
Speaker 3: whole idea in my mind of serial killers to begin with,
Speaker 3: I think largely serial killers are created, not born.
Speaker 2: And oh god, especially these days with that Ted Bundy
Speaker 2: documentary and all of these women, and I forget what
Speaker 2: comedians said this, but I stand by it. He was
Speaker 2: so good looking, he was so enigmatic. He he wasn't
Speaker 2: that good looking of a dude. Like, if you're looking
Speaker 2: at a lineup of serial killers, sure he was a
Speaker 2: dime piece, but like on the run of the mill.
Speaker 2: As far as the American male, his concern average average,
Speaker 2: he's not gonna whatsoever. I'll put him a little a
Speaker 2: little more on the good looking than if we're talking
Speaker 2: the spectrum of zero to ten here, I'll put him
Speaker 2: out a solid five point five, Like this is not
Speaker 2: all of these women he was so good looking, No,
Speaker 2: the fuck he wasn't. But y'all glorified him to such
Speaker 2: a level and made these documentaries about him, making him
Speaker 2: look so amazing that now we have more serial killers
Speaker 2: on the loose than ever before throughout human history. And
Speaker 2: it's like, no, you fuckers did this one.
Speaker 6: I don't under seeing the fascination with it.
Speaker 2: I don't either. You know, serial killers in general, like
Speaker 2: the people that look into them for the psychological like
Speaker 2: what turned them this way? The making of a killer
Speaker 2: kind of thing. What was their upbringing, like how were
Speaker 2: their parents to them? Like, Okay, I could understand that
Speaker 2: there is way too many documentaries and podcasts specifically about
Speaker 2: serial killers where it's like, no, y'all get off to
Speaker 2: this shit. It's not because you're looking into it for
Speaker 2: the intellectual conversation. This is like a weird fetish to you, Fox,
Speaker 2: I'm convinced of it.
Speaker 4: It kind of is is.
Speaker 2: I don't get down with them. And there's so many
Speaker 2: people that go to bed to true crimes playing in
Speaker 2: their headphones. When we came upon the murder scene, her
Speaker 2: skull was bashed open, they're like, ooh, time to go
Speaker 2: to sleep. Something's fucking wrong with you.
Speaker 3: Bro right right, yeah, And I you know part of that.
Speaker 3: I think you know all ties into this though you
Speaker 3: know it's it is. It's the constant reminder because true
Speaker 3: crime is the number one podcast genre, It is the
Speaker 3: number one like type of entertainment in America today.
Speaker 2: Exhibit A and I.
Speaker 3: Think what it is is it's partially mind control. Right,
Speaker 3: It's it's done to push out the fear. It's done
Speaker 3: to make us fear each other. It's it's done to
Speaker 3: keep this at the forefront.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 3: So they don't really need the serial killer anymore, right,
Speaker 3: not in the way, not in the like they did
Speaker 3: in the golden era of serial killers. Right, Like we
Speaker 3: don't have the Dahmers, the Rimirez, the Bundies, Like we
Speaker 3: don't have these guys making the nightly news because they
Speaker 3: don't need them anymore. Right, we had the Golden era,
Speaker 3: so we have all these people to compare to. So
Speaker 3: but on top of that, they've also swapped out the
Speaker 3: serial killer for another fear, and that's.
Speaker 4: The school shooter.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So MK Ultra, in my opinion, went underground in the seventies.
Speaker 3: It turned into the colts, right, which is why we
Speaker 3: see this huge explosion in colts in the seventies and
Speaker 3: eighties and even into the nineties with like Heaven's Gate. Largely,
Speaker 3: I believe like Jonestown was a MK Ultra dry run
Speaker 3: basically is what it was. And also I'm totally McGowan
Speaker 3: pilled as far as you know, Dave McGowan programmed to kill.
Speaker 4: You know, I'm totally PTK killed.
Speaker 3: I believe largely, you know, at least eighty percent of
Speaker 3: serial killers have some military background, and I don't believe
Speaker 3: that that's on accident. I believe that's entirely on purpose.
Speaker 3: So I believe largely these people are programmed and created.
Speaker 2: Which just sucks because all of them, by the accounts
Speaker 2: of their coworkers, when they were in the military, they
Speaker 2: were always like shit bag soldiers or whatever, which sucks
Speaker 2: because Ravenlee, you and I were both shitbag marines, so
Speaker 2: like that's that's probably not a good look, you know,
Speaker 2: but yeah, like none of them fantastic as your job,
Speaker 2: not at being a marine. Look, I'm game recognized, game. Okay.
Speaker 2: All I'm saying is all of these serial killers who
Speaker 2: served in the military in some way, shape or form,
Speaker 2: they weren't like really good at being in the military,
Speaker 2: and there's a reason why they didn't make a career
Speaker 2: out of it, right, Like it's it's never like the
Speaker 2: one who's the top dog of their platoon or of
Speaker 2: their company or whatever the case, and they were like, oh,
Speaker 2: they usually.
Speaker 3: Get kicked out right or they get dropped for like
Speaker 3: a medical reason, or they only sign up for four years,
Speaker 3: you know, or like I mean Jeffrey Dahmer, he got
Speaker 3: kicked out for drinking, you know, which is fascinating, right,
Speaker 3: But he was able to go in and get the
Speaker 3: medical training, which he was fascinated with, which is weird, right.
Speaker 3: So he goes to West Germany, goes and gets trained
Speaker 3: as a medic and then gets kicked out for drinking.
Speaker 3: There you go, he has all everything that he needs,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 2: It's like, it's very strange and someone's kick out of
Speaker 2: the military for alcohol because it's so forced upon you
Speaker 2: in so many situations, and it's like the way it goes,
Speaker 2: and then out of nowhere, they're like, Okay, now it's
Speaker 2: a problem. And it's like, dude, I have met way
Speaker 2: too many first sergeants and way too many Majors that
Speaker 2: are drunk at work twenty four to seven. It's it's
Speaker 2: not about it being a problem, it's about whose boy
Speaker 2: you are. To be completely honest with you, but I mean,
Speaker 2: I guess that's whatever job you find yourself is what
Speaker 2: it is.
Speaker 3: Yeah, But yeah, I really do think like all of
Speaker 3: this is it's all tied because fear fear is the
Speaker 3: big cornerstone to all of this because if I mean,
Speaker 3: if you just look at our culture, that's all it is, right,
Speaker 3: that's all the news is. This is fear, fear, fear.
Speaker 3: That's all politics is fear, fear fear. And the most
Speaker 3: basic form of mind control is repetition, period, and that's
Speaker 3: what it is. And that's kind of why I think
Speaker 3: like our culture is stagnant because the mind control is
Speaker 3: such a big part of it and its repetition.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 3: So true crime that's why it's the number one, the
Speaker 3: number one subject of podcasts and television shows. It's not
Speaker 3: because people like documentaries. It's not they like the true crime,
Speaker 3: not the documentary part. I'm an old school documentary nerd.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 3: I watched documentaries about everything, you know, not just true crime.
Speaker 2: I like historical documentaries. That's my big thing. Historical documentaries
Speaker 2: or battlefield drawing out and how did the Siege of
Speaker 2: Java take place? Like, bro, find me a three hour
Speaker 2: documentary about that, I will be so happy.
Speaker 3: But my favorite was World War Two in HD and
Speaker 3: Vietnam in HD. Dude, those were amazing when they came out.
Speaker 3: Whoa YEA love that seeing that, seeing all of it
Speaker 3: in color for the first time.
Speaker 4: Blew my mind. You know, it was wild.
Speaker 6: I have to be the odd one. Yeah, it's not
Speaker 6: my jam.
Speaker 2: I mean you like watching your own version of documentaries
Speaker 2: though not really, No, what do you mean.
Speaker 5: I've never been a big doc person. Actually, I don't
Speaker 5: just like sit out of my like go out of
Speaker 5: my way and watch docs. I never have I probably
Speaker 5: never will. That's why I actually don't like most podcasts eithers.
Speaker 5: I just I don't like that I listen to people talk.
Speaker 5: I know it's ironic, but I don't. I Actually I
Speaker 5: would rather read things. So I'm a big reader. So yeah,
Speaker 5: I mean, this is just one bookshelf here in three
Speaker 5: in this room, so, and it's top to bottom full.
Speaker 2: So I like to read. That's what I've always liked.
Speaker 5: I'd rather read it, even though I learned better audio wise,
Speaker 5: Like if I can't understand what I'm reading, I will
Speaker 5: listen to it.
Speaker 6: But for the most part, I don't. I don't like
Speaker 6: to watch docs.
Speaker 5: I do enjoy if I was to watch things, but
Speaker 5: I like movies. That's what I was kind of raised on,
Speaker 5: but it's I don't want to really want watch those anymore.
Speaker 2: Either.
Speaker 5: So that's I know, it's like a weird thing. Most
Speaker 5: people are all about dogs, and I'm like, I mean,
Speaker 5: if I have to, I guess I'll watch one.
Speaker 3: My favorite pastime at this point is to sit and
Speaker 3: watch a documentary and yell at the screen correcting it.
Speaker 2: Okay, but you're also pretty avid reader based on the
Speaker 2: stack behind you, So what's your genre of choice?
Speaker 4: Any any? Actually, so, I don't read a whole lot
Speaker 4: of fiction. I'm not. I'm not big on that.
Speaker 3: I read mainly nonfiction history books.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 3: If I do pick up fiction, I'm going to read
Speaker 3: Dean Coon's.
Speaker 2: I know the name, give me a give me a book.
Speaker 2: He's written.
Speaker 3: Phantoms. They turned it into into a movie with Matt Damon.
Speaker 5: I think, Sorry American, I can't like not not say
Speaker 5: I loved him.
Speaker 3: Who's Matt Damon's friend he's always hanging out with.
Speaker 6: Oh Ben Affleck.
Speaker 3: Yes, Ben Affleck was in the movie Phantoms. There's another
Speaker 3: book by Dean Koons. It's called Midnight. He's he's like
Speaker 3: Stephen King.
Speaker 4: But good ah, that's fair. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not a huge fan of Stephen King. I
Speaker 2: know so many people that geek out over him and
Speaker 2: it's like.
Speaker 5: Dude, I actually don't really care for his writing very much.
Speaker 6: It's I don't actually like to read it.
Speaker 4: It's trash.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's not one of my it's not one of
Speaker 5: my favorite people to read. Uh, I'm gonna be honest
Speaker 5: with you.
Speaker 6: There's a lot other there's a lot more people that
Speaker 6: I'd like to read.
Speaker 4: That, be honest.
Speaker 3: The only things that I've ever read from him that
Speaker 3: I like was when he was high on cocaine. Yeahs,
Speaker 3: back in the seventies, like misery. Uh, the Shining was
Speaker 3: trash because it's Kubrick's for a film now. Yeah, it's
Speaker 3: not Stephen King's, it's Kubrick's now, but Dean Koon's. He
Speaker 3: he writes in a way that's like scary, you know,
Speaker 3: that's like things that are possible, And there's there's a
Speaker 3: lot of things that are like insanely creepy possible, right
Speaker 3: like based on clandestine operations or things that have already
Speaker 3: happened before. So they're like there's uh, definitely, Uh, if
Speaker 3: you pick up Dean Koon's pick up phantoms, that's that's
Speaker 3: just a good place to start. But so as of late,
Speaker 3: I mean most of the stuff I read about like
Speaker 3: right now, false Memory syndrome Foundation, false Memories. I have
Speaker 3: the Chicken Hawk.
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Speaker 3: Here's probably something you guys might be interested in. Something
Speaker 3: I picked up recently is William Ramsey's Children of the Beast,
Speaker 3: all about Alistair Crowley and the way he influences our society. Yeah,
Speaker 3: just goes pretty much all the influence over the last
Speaker 3: hundred years that he has had, so.
Speaker 2: Talking about him packed into and you with the MK
Speaker 2: Ultra and the Satanic Panic, do you also believe that
Speaker 2: Alisair Crowley was pretty instrumental in shaping our society that
Speaker 2: we have today. Oh yeah, yeah, oh.
Speaker 3: Yeah, one hundred percent. I don't believe he's the only one.
Speaker 3: I believe he's probably one of the most impactful. He's
Speaker 3: probably had the biggest impact I would I would say,
Speaker 3: at least culturally, because of the whole do what that wilt? Yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean, that's that's basically our culture.
Speaker 2: So it has become that for sure. You know, disregard tradition,
Speaker 2: embrace not even modernity, just whatever feels right to you,
Speaker 2: which right is. He's exactly what a successful society does.
Speaker 2: Hedonism has only eaten itself alive from the inside out
Speaker 2: historically speaking. But yeah, and so with that being asked,
Speaker 2: so we were just actually talking about this. You've heard
Speaker 2: of the battle at blyth Rode, No, yeah, yeah, what
Speaker 2: what is your take on that one? When Alistair Crowley
Speaker 2: started throwing his sigils and incantations at the Hermetic Order
Speaker 2: of the Golden Dawn members and then they start throw
Speaker 2: when it back at him, and nothing was working. Crazily,
Speaker 2: all this magic with a k wasn't working on them.
Speaker 2: Then they just decided to beat the shit out of him, right, yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean, first of all, I just from personal experience
Speaker 3: and you know, from everything I know about rituals and
Speaker 3: you know what I have myself partaken in.
Speaker 4: It's just not how magic works, you know.
Speaker 2: But all these top dogs, sure the fuck thought so.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, they definitely did, and hopefully they learned their lesson.
Speaker 3: It didn't work, you know, because magic is actually like
Speaker 3: an intention thing, like that's what it is. It's kind
Speaker 3: of like I'm sure you guys have heard of that
Speaker 3: book The Secret or whatever.
Speaker 4: I mean that that is magic, right.
Speaker 3: It's all about your psychological process and it's all about
Speaker 3: the powers of the mind and everything. And I mean
Speaker 3: that's really what like Christian science is based on. You
Speaker 3: know that, That's what like the lima is based on.
Speaker 3: It's the power of the mind, right, It's you think it,
Speaker 3: you you will it, and you bring it into existence.
Speaker 3: And that's really what you know, Satanic rituals are all
Speaker 3: about and stuff. And I mean I think there is
Speaker 3: also a different kind of magic where you know, there's
Speaker 3: like blood and sex magic.
Speaker 4: And these things.
Speaker 3: Sex magic for sure, right, right, But these things they
Speaker 3: they don't they don't always take immediate effect. Excuse me,
Speaker 3: I think, but there's limits to all of this, right,
Speaker 3: it's not it's not an immediate thing.
Speaker 2: We do have a guy who, however, you're talking about
Speaker 2: how there's sacrificial magic and these types of things, we
Speaker 2: had a guy come on the show not to just
Speaker 2: a few months ago. As a matter of fact, he
Speaker 2: is a professional. I don't even know what to call him. Basically,
Speaker 2: he is making deals with demons and he also claims
Speaker 2: and angels. I take that how you want. Through sacrifices
Speaker 2: of chickens and goats and things like this. People hire
Speaker 2: him to perform these sacrifices and he has a ninety
Speaker 2: nine percent success rate as far as these people want X,
Speaker 2: Y or Z to happen, they pay him the money,
Speaker 2: he does the ritual, and then boom, this shit just
Speaker 2: magically takes place for them. And he came on the
Speaker 2: show and he was trying to explain to me, how yet,
Speaker 2: demons aren't even like the bad guys, and angels aren't
Speaker 2: even the good guys. It's not like that. It's just
Speaker 2: kind of how you interact with them. And I'm like, respectfully,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna have to push back on this, right, not
Speaker 2: even because my own Christian standpoint, I'm like, there's people.
Speaker 2: He also made the statement that real Satanists aren't in
Speaker 2: jail right now for sacrificing humans. That's just not a thing.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, have you ever heard of the Order
Speaker 2: of Nine Angles? Like this is a real thing, and
Speaker 2: there are hundreds of dudes in jail right now for
Speaker 2: doing literally this, Like I've never heard of that. I'm like,
Speaker 2: you're a professional demonic sacrificer and you've never heard of them.
Speaker 2: That's mind blowing to me. But okay, but yeah, there
Speaker 2: is this practical magic where it is instantaneous, but also
Speaker 2: there is blood that is involved, and some I don't know,
Speaker 2: I don't have no background on this, but some would
Speaker 2: say that sex magic also works very similarly. But I
Speaker 2: also have a hard time believing that jacking off to
Speaker 2: a vision board is going to magically make a million
Speaker 2: dollars end up in your bank account. I don't know,
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 3: Know, but maybe, right, I mean, you have a better
Speaker 3: chance of robbing a bank than you do, you know,
Speaker 3: having a million dollars show up in your bank account
Speaker 3: by jerking off at a vision board, you know, right,
Speaker 3: So you know and so that that's actually kind of
Speaker 3: my conclusion of the whole fight between these magicians. You know,
Speaker 3: it's like there's just limits to this because here's the
Speaker 3: thing is, we do exist in the physical realm, and
Speaker 3: magic is dealing with the spiritual realm and the metaphysical realm. Right,
Speaker 3: there's limits to each realm, Like there's limits to the
Speaker 3: physical realm as well, and so it's it's just when
Speaker 3: when people want something out of magic that you're not
Speaker 3: going to get, you you can't get.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: It's like this whole idea of like I want a Ferrari,
Speaker 3: So I'm gonna think I want a Ferrari and then
Speaker 3: I'm gonna do it, you know, put.
Speaker 2: That intention out there, all the vibes right exactly.
Speaker 3: You can work your way to a Ferrari. You're not
Speaker 3: going to literally manifest a Ferrari atom by Adam in
Speaker 3: your driveway like this, you know. So, I mean, although
Speaker 3: I have talked to some like people that believe in
Speaker 3: alchemy that would argue and it's just like show me
Speaker 3: the gold and I'll believe you. But until then, you know,
Speaker 3: So it's like, what's.
Speaker 2: Your take on alchemy? Talking about this as far as
Speaker 2: my research goes, it was what we would now call chemistry,
Speaker 2: and they would use the term ether or anything of
Speaker 2: the spiritual sense to make sense of what they couldn't
Speaker 2: fully understand. It's kind of like an algebraic equation. They
Speaker 2: knew that two plus X equal five, and they couldn't
Speaker 2: figure out what X was, so they just kind of
Speaker 2: put it into the realm of ether. They knew that
Speaker 2: when they did this procedure in this way, they would
Speaker 2: get a certain answer, they would get a certain substance
Speaker 2: at the other side of it, and they just kind
Speaker 2: of put it to the realm of spirit because it
Speaker 2: was just ununderstandable to them at this time. So many
Speaker 2: people believe that they were absolutely talking to angels and
Speaker 2: that's what gave them these these downloads and this information.
Speaker 2: And that's not what I believe it actually was. But
Speaker 2: I have so many people that would argue against me
Speaker 2: on that. What is your take?
Speaker 4: I actually kind of believe the same thing.
Speaker 3: So I'll answer that with like another explanation, Like I think,
Speaker 3: like Greek and Roman mythology, for instance, they used the
Speaker 3: idea of gods and goddesses to explain natural occurrences. The
Speaker 3: wind lightning, you know, a thunder and lightning and hurricanes,
Speaker 3: like they used gods and goddesses because that was what
Speaker 3: they understood at that time. And so I agree with you.
Speaker 3: I think that that's exactly what alchemy was. So there
Speaker 3: was like this level of mysticism because that was like
Speaker 3: the understanding at the time, right.
Speaker 4: And I think I.
Speaker 3: Think there is magic in the world. Okay, I do
Speaker 3: think magic is real. It's not what we think it
Speaker 3: is though, right. I think that when you perform a ritual,
Speaker 3: I think that there are real rituals that you can
Speaker 3: get a benefit from, although I don't think that they're
Speaker 3: good benefits because it's kind of like a a monkey
Speaker 3: paw or like a genie's wish. You know, there's always
Speaker 3: the downside to it, Like regardless of even if you
Speaker 3: get the thing that you're asking for or you know,
Speaker 3: the result that you want, there's always going to be
Speaker 3: the downside to it because the you know, the what
Speaker 3: is it the consequences the well, the law of physics.
Speaker 3: I can't I can't remember what it is that the
Speaker 3: equal and opposite there's an equal and opposite reaction, and
Speaker 3: I think that's universal across everything, including in magic, and
Speaker 3: so even if you do perform a ritual, you're going
Speaker 3: to have something come back, and it might come back worse,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 4: So, so I think.
Speaker 3: That there is like magic, but once again, we're talking
Speaker 3: about different realms. We're talking about the metaphysical realm, the
Speaker 3: spiritual realm. We're talking about different like dimensions that might
Speaker 3: not have a stronghold here.
Speaker 4: And so there's going to be limitations.
Speaker 3: So I think alchemy, definitely at the time time was
Speaker 3: a way to just explain natural sciences, but it was
Speaker 3: a way for them to explain through their current understanding
Speaker 3: of what the world was. I don't really believe that
Speaker 3: we could take, you know, a piece of coal and
Speaker 3: turn it into gold, right Like, that's that's just fantastical.
Speaker 3: That doesn't exist. This Harry Potter type magic does not exist,
Speaker 3: in my opinion.
Speaker 2: And I've heard a lot of people argue against that point.
Speaker 2: I think that I think it might be a little
Speaker 2: bit in the in the gray area there. I think
Speaker 2: that spellcasting is a real thing that i'd see. Even
Speaker 2: as I was about to say I believe magic wands
Speaker 2: are a thing, it depends on who you ask on that,
Speaker 2: because some people will say that real magic happens within
Speaker 2: your mind, and the wand is literally just like a
Speaker 2: point of focus. Then there's other people that are like,
Speaker 2: oh no, no, magic wands are made from trees that
Speaker 2: grow outside of cemeteries because it's all the death energy
Speaker 2: in it. And then magic wand is absolutely a real thing.
Speaker 2: You could shoot lightning bolts out of it, and it's
Speaker 2: there's so many different opinions on these things.
Speaker 3: I mean, I talked to a guy on my podcast
Speaker 3: one time. I can't I can't remember his name off
Speaker 3: the top of my head. I would have to go
Speaker 3: back and go, look, great conversation. I would have him
Speaker 3: back on my show at any time. But he also
Speaker 3: told me that it was healthy to drink your own piss.
Speaker 2: Dude. That is a thing that the Order of the
Speaker 2: Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn. Yeah, if you actually
Speaker 2: look at the documentation on how you get the Philosopher's Stone, yeah,
Speaker 2: that's all it is is you're cooking down your own
Speaker 2: piss for the better part of three years to finally
Speaker 2: get it to a crystalline state and then eating it. Right,
Speaker 2: But what the fuck we talking about here?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 3: And you know what it I guess maybe if it
Speaker 3: cured cancer, and I had cancer and there was a
Speaker 3: way to prove it, then maybe I would drink my
Speaker 3: own piss. But sure, sure, I I At the time
Speaker 3: I told the guy, I was like, you know what,
Speaker 3: I'm it's just not something I'm going to start doing.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: We had a guy come on the show, but yeah,
Speaker 2: he he came on. He was talking about God. I
Speaker 2: wish I can remember the dude's name. And he was
Speaker 2: also a really fun guest. Uh he was selling a
Speaker 2: bunch of these little stickers that had like crazy patterns
Speaker 2: on it and were like super reflective. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: and uh, he great guy. But whenever he told us that, like, yeah,
Speaker 2: he absolutely would drink his own piss. I don't know
Speaker 2: if he said daily or once a week. And he
Speaker 2: was exacting like that's a normal thing to bring up
Speaker 2: in conversations, like hold on, my boy, let's pull those
Speaker 2: reins back a little bit. You're saying this on the
Speaker 2: internet and it's never going away. But he was like
Speaker 2: definitely meaning that, and it's like, all right, that's that's
Speaker 2: a thing.
Speaker 4: Well, and there was there was a lot I agree
Speaker 4: with them on.
Speaker 2: Right, the medical industry is screwing and we we are
Speaker 2: mineral deficient and people are all dehydrated, and we do
Speaker 2: need to take our health more seriously, and they are
Speaker 2: lying to us about agreed, But man, he was. There
Speaker 2: was one or two points he made where it was like,
Speaker 2: all right, where you go.
Speaker 3: I'll even go with him on the sticker thing.
Speaker 4: You know, he.
Speaker 2: Sent us some. He sent us some stickers and I
Speaker 2: tried them out. I gotta tell you, I felt no difference.
Speaker 2: I know, I shocker to everybody out there. If you
Speaker 2: put a holographic sticker on a muscle that sore, you're
Speaker 2: not gonna instantaneously feel better because this sticker is refracting
Speaker 2: the light spectrum through your muscle fibers and it's gonna
Speaker 2: heal you instantaneously. I know that's gonna sound crazy, but
Speaker 2: it's not how it actually works. But more power to him.
Speaker 2: I hope he's doing great. God. I alwaysh can remember
Speaker 2: this dude's name.
Speaker 5: He was.
Speaker 2: He was a fun dude.
Speaker 3: Like I said, I would have him back on my
Speaker 3: show at any point, you know, right, But the whole
Speaker 3: pist drinking thing, I just and you know what, I
Speaker 3: wasn't even knocking him for it.
Speaker 4: Dude, if it's working for cool. He's not gonna be
Speaker 4: my thing.
Speaker 2: He did seem to be in great health for his age.
Speaker 2: I will say that it sound like he was like
Speaker 2: some old dude. He was upper fifties I think, and
Speaker 2: had the body of like a mid thirty year old.
Speaker 2: So like, all right, whatever he's doing is working right.
Speaker 3: And maybe I'm wrong about the pists drinking thing, but
Speaker 3: I'll I'll fall on that grenade.
Speaker 2: You know. I'm good with it. I'm really good with it.
Speaker 2: I'm not big into drinking urine. A shocker, I know,
Speaker 2: but Raven's over here, just like, what the fuck are
Speaker 2: you even talking about right now?
Speaker 5: I mean, it's if you know anything about like the
Speaker 5: body and the waist and like how many times you
Speaker 5: can drink your urine and like all of that.
Speaker 6: I'm yep. I mean it is a thing you do, you,
Speaker 6: I mean whatever.
Speaker 2: It's a in a survival situation, you do what you
Speaker 2: gotta do. You It's kind of like from Dodgeball m
Speaker 2: h ne shair. I drink my own hereine. Probably not,
Speaker 2: but it's like the te like that. That's it's those
Speaker 2: kind of vibes, you know, you know, I guess.
Speaker 3: I don't know It's not not something I'm going to
Speaker 3: start doing. But you know, I get I get the
Speaker 3: train of thought. I mean, the medical industry has lied
Speaker 3: to us about everything. Why wouldn't they lie to us
Speaker 3: about that? But that's kind of the same mentality I
Speaker 3: have about flat Earth. It's like, yeah, I mean, they
Speaker 3: lie to us about everything. But here's the thing is,
Speaker 3: I also think that that's part of the trap to
Speaker 3: conspiracy theories, is that there's a whole other side to this, right, this,
Speaker 3: This is why QAnon successful is because some people take
Speaker 3: too many red pills too quickly, you know, and kind
Speaker 3: of go over the deep deep end, and there's a
Speaker 3: there's a lot of pitfalls.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 3: Not every rabbit hole is a good one, you know,
Speaker 3: and uh not every rabbit hole should be explored because
Speaker 3: some of them are you know, dead rabbit hole for
Speaker 3: a reason.
Speaker 2: I think they're.
Speaker 5: Planted, right, I think quite a few of them are
Speaker 5: actually planted into being into circling back to each other
Speaker 5: over and over and over again. The flat earth conversation
Speaker 5: is interesting to me. I mean, I don't really care
Speaker 5: either way, to be honest. It's not one of my
Speaker 5: top things that I'm like, oh, my God. But I mean,
Speaker 5: we had another person come on and talk about the
Speaker 5: snow globe one, and then I have a friend that
Speaker 5: Tartaria Island or something. I had a couple of cult
Speaker 5: members send me the maps of those as well, and
Speaker 5: I've seen all different ones.
Speaker 6: I'm more of the hollow Earth crowd.
Speaker 5: I guess the people if I was going to go
Speaker 5: down a rabbit hole and be like, all right, I
Speaker 5: could fuck with this one, and I think it's hollow Earth.
Speaker 2: Right, No, yeah, I mean hollow Earth doesn't try to
Speaker 2: rewrite the laws of physics though, like, and that's my
Speaker 2: biggest issue with the flat Earth.
Speaker 5: I mean, but hollow Earth could objectively change how the
Speaker 5: Earth's gravitational pull is and how like it could impact
Speaker 5: quite a few different things as well in the physics
Speaker 5: kind of standpoint. So it's kind of one of those
Speaker 5: like catch twenty two ones. But then if I mean,
Speaker 5: it's a fun one for me personally. I always vibed
Speaker 5: with the Journey to the Center of the Earth when
Speaker 5: I was a kid, and I like always believe that
Speaker 5: it was real, and then as an adult, it just
Speaker 5: you know, it makes more sense in some ways that
Speaker 5: could it could be a real thing that's happening. But
Speaker 5: in other ways, logically, I'm like, it doesn't really match,
Speaker 5: you know, science, But then you have to take that
Speaker 5: with a grain of salt unless you really understand those fields,
Speaker 5: you know, in depth and stuff like that. But it
Speaker 5: just it's just a lot of different conspiracy theories. I
Speaker 5: think a lot of them circle back. I think some
Speaker 5: of them are planted into continuous to keep people off
Speaker 5: of the real beaten path of what's happening and stuff,
Speaker 5: and so it's just more of a syops kind of thing,
Speaker 5: but it's more hidden, and so it looks like, oh,
Speaker 5: you believe this conspiracy theory that leads to twelve other
Speaker 5: theory is that this is here's fifteen different articles that
Speaker 5: go this way, but here's another twenty that go the
Speaker 5: opposite way, and nothing actually tells you the truth. It
Speaker 5: just keeps going in circles, so you're just as confused
Speaker 5: as when you started the whole thing. And then everyone's speculating,
Speaker 5: and it depends on everyone's biases and backgrounds, and so
Speaker 5: overall we're all just kind of talking in circles and
Speaker 5: trying to figure everything out. But a lot of it
Speaker 5: we don't actually understand and nor will we until we
Speaker 5: get more information. And even then, if we have actual
Speaker 5: degrees in these fields and really understand what we're talking about,
Speaker 5: we still don't know one hundred percent even if we
Speaker 5: got the information so right.
Speaker 2: And that's the flighter of community as a whole, because
Speaker 2: every conspiracy.
Speaker 3: Community as Okay, I love the UFO concept.
Speaker 4: I love it.
Speaker 3: I think there I think the truth of it is
Speaker 3: not what people want to hear. But I think the
Speaker 3: UFO community was intentionally flooded with just information agents on purpose.
Speaker 3: In fact, there's a great documentary about it called Mirage Men. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I highly recommend that, and even that documentary, I don't
Speaker 3: even think like tells the full encompassing aspect of this.
Speaker 2: You've had people come forward at UFO conventions and tell people,
Speaker 2: by the way, I'm a CIA plant, I've been in
Speaker 2: this for a couple of decades now, this and this
Speaker 2: and get booed off stage. These people that were seen
Speaker 2: as experts in the field. You've had multiple of them
Speaker 2: that have come forward and done that. And to your
Speaker 2: point also, I think as far as the aliens are concerned,
Speaker 2: I think that there's multiple levels to that because same
Speaker 2: with the alien conversation. You'll have some people say they're
Speaker 2: time travelers, they are inter dimensional beings, they're clearly demonic,
Speaker 2: they're clearly angelic. I think that all of these things
Speaker 2: are happening at the same time, but I don't necessarily
Speaker 2: think they're all connected. I think it's very possible that
Speaker 2: there's other galaxies with life. I also believe that angels
Speaker 2: and demons are real. I also believe there's more than
Speaker 2: one dimension that we're currently residing in. And I also
Speaker 2: believe that time travel may or may not be real.
Speaker 2: Like all of these things can happen independent.
Speaker 3: Of each other, right, you know, you know, like the
Speaker 3: cattle mutilations. I largely believe like all of that is
Speaker 3: chemical weapons testing and like directed energy weapons testing. I
Speaker 3: think largely aliens are actually human pig crimeas.
Speaker 2: You know, it's now this is a new one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, just horrific human experimentation, you know, like Plumb islands,
Speaker 3: you know stuff. It's it's just I actually don't think
Speaker 3: aliens are real. I do agree that I think aliens are,
Speaker 3: angels and demons are real. So the idea of like
Speaker 3: interdimensional beans, I'm definitely willing to entertain that idea.
Speaker 4: Because it seems so plausible.
Speaker 3: But I think aliens largely are just human hybrids that
Speaker 3: the government is experimenting on in dums, you know, deep
Speaker 3: underground military bases. In fact, I know for a fact
Speaker 3: the state I live in, Utah, we have one out here.
Speaker 3: It's called Dugway Proving Grounds. It's marked as Area fifty two.
Speaker 3: The size of this military base is over eight hundred
Speaker 3: thousand square miles.
Speaker 2: Cool.
Speaker 4: It's literally the size of Rhode Island.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So, and there's nothing out there largely, everything that's on
Speaker 3: the surface, it's just it's just nothing but desert largely.
Speaker 3: And so my thought is that it has to be underground.
Speaker 3: Most everything they do out there is underground. Now, they
Speaker 3: do do stuff above ground, it's usually chemical weapon testing.
Speaker 3: They do, you know, testing of you know, like new
Speaker 3: safety equipment for chemical and biological safety equipment, gas masks,
Speaker 3: chemical suits. They do that sort of testing out there.
Speaker 3: But I mean, we have we Utah has one of
Speaker 3: the only incinerators in the world that will literally incinerate
Speaker 3: radioactive waste. So it's like, what the hell are they
Speaker 3: doing out there?
Speaker 2: Wait? Is that does that actually work? As far as
Speaker 2: getting rid of radioactive waste. I thought, all it does
Speaker 2: is make it airborne.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean maybe if it does, then you know,
Speaker 3: that explains a lot of downwinders the.
Speaker 4: Show, which is what they're called out here.
Speaker 2: No, the down windows. See, that's the other thing. We've
Speaker 2: had some people come on the show that believe that
Speaker 2: nuclear weapons aren't real, and there's there's a whole lot
Speaker 2: of downwinders one hundred percent disagree chemically speaking. Help The
Speaker 2: Kodak Picture Company was the first one to discover that
Speaker 2: America was testing nuclear weapons because the radiation was making
Speaker 2: their way into water that they were using and developing
Speaker 2: the film, and they realized the only thing that could
Speaker 2: have done this to the film would be radioactive isotopes.
Speaker 2: So they pretty much reached out to the government was like, hey, listen,
Speaker 2: we are not calling you out on what you're doing,
Speaker 2: but what we're saying is, whenever you're doing this thing
Speaker 2: that we don't know about, could you give us a
Speaker 2: call so we know to not use that water for
Speaker 2: a couple of days. And the government's responses basically, we
Speaker 2: don't know what you're talking about, but if we did,
Speaker 2: we may start calling you and letting you know that
Speaker 2: you don't need to use the water for a bit,
Speaker 2: and that was like the undisclosed going narrative for like
Speaker 2: a decade. So and then yeah, all the downwindows that
Speaker 2: have actually won these court cases based off of their
Speaker 2: injuries from these things. But so many people are like, Yep,
Speaker 2: nuclear bombs can't be real because the government. Yeah, it's like,
Speaker 2: all right, sure.
Speaker 3: I think that's one of those conspiracies that like, it's
Speaker 3: just like a fundamental misunderstanding of nuclear technology and how
Speaker 3: they function, how they work, because I totally believe that
Speaker 3: logically speaking, at what I think happened is, first of all,
Speaker 3: the bomb was created, and then maybe we didn't quite
Speaker 3: have the technology right in the beginning. We haven't now,
Speaker 3: like nuclear bombs so totally exists. Now, maybe I'm open
Speaker 3: to the idea that fat Man and Little Boy were
Speaker 3: not actual nuclear weapons. I'm open to that idea that
Speaker 3: they were just really large. But to say that nuclear
Speaker 3: weapons don't exist and it was just a fear campaign,
Speaker 3: that's that's absurd. Now, I do think that the capabilities
Speaker 3: back then were light about largely, you know, sure, because
Speaker 3: it was open to the public, right, So they want
Speaker 3: the Soviets to be scared of what we have, right,
Speaker 3: so they pushed out maybe a live of capability that
Speaker 3: we didn't quite have but we have now since had.
Speaker 3: So it's like I don't know, I just I don't
Speaker 3: believe the whole Like, oh, they don't exist, Like look
Speaker 3: at these films, you know, like, oh, like the.
Speaker 2: Films, a little pops stick building blows apart, which like
Speaker 2: that I could understand, but that was that was a
Speaker 2: part of the fear campaign. But that doesn't mean that,
Speaker 2: like the hydrogen bomb was all still a part of
Speaker 2: the property and the Czar bomber that Russia actually launched
Speaker 2: blew up, like that's yeah, these things are real, Like
Speaker 2: that's that's crazy. I mean, hell, we sent we sent
Speaker 2: a sewer lid into space at mock fuck from law
Speaker 2: blowing up a bomb underground, which some believe would be
Speaker 2: the start of the Starship Troopers war. Who knows, right,
Speaker 2: But yeah, that's this thing's these things exist.
Speaker 3: But well see here's here's like my like ultimate conclusion
Speaker 3: with a lot of this stuff too, because you know,
Speaker 3: I talked to a lot of people that are really
Speaker 3: black pilled, right, like everything's a syop, everything's propaganda. That's
Speaker 3: that's stupid because if everything is propaganda, then nothing is propaganda.
Speaker 3: So if if everything is a syop, nothing is a syop.
Speaker 3: If like, it's absurd that the whole reason a syop
Speaker 3: works is because objective truth exists.
Speaker 4: So like, that's that's it. Objective truth exists.
Speaker 3: There's no arguing that, and to think otherwise is a
Speaker 3: trap in and of itself. And that's something that happens
Speaker 3: in the conspiracy community a lot, and it's something I
Speaker 3: try to push back on it because it's like whoa, whoah, blah, whoah,
Speaker 3: you're going a little too far, come.
Speaker 2: Back, yeah, saying, but I get shit on for that
Speaker 2: a good bit, right, because trying to apply logic and
Speaker 2: having a conspiratorial mind is apparently just that's crazy. That's
Speaker 2: that's crazy. But you know it's yeah, actually I could,
Speaker 2: I could go on a whole tangent about that, but
Speaker 2: I don't want to do that. I get enough shit
Speaker 2: for for having any kind of basis in reality, right,
Speaker 2: But at the same time, if you don't stand for something,
Speaker 2: you'll fall for anything. And I feel like a lot
Speaker 2: of people, once they start pulling at the thread, right,
Speaker 2: once they start pulling out the string of the of
Speaker 2: the sweater, so to speak to quote Weezer, then everything unravels,
Speaker 2: which is good. You should see it for what it is.
Speaker 2: But there is truth within this world, and not even
Speaker 2: speaking on anything religiously right. Physics is a real thing.
Speaker 2: Science is real now. Science is being rewritten, and whenever
Speaker 2: there is new science to replace the old science, they're
Speaker 2: able to quantify their research and show why people believed
Speaker 2: this to a certain point and why they had their math,
Speaker 2: and why that was seen as correct, and why that
Speaker 2: is wrong. Here is why papap they listed all out.
Speaker 2: But then whenever you say that, oh, you're just getting
Speaker 2: into the Rockefeller system of education, It's like, okay, so
Speaker 2: pretty much anything that's ever been written in a book
Speaker 2: is clearly incorrect. Well yeah, well then where are you
Speaker 2: getting your information from? Well, the Internet. Now we're getting
Speaker 2: into dead Internet theory, and it's like, all right, sure,
Speaker 2: so nothing is right, everything is wrong. Fucking God, bless you.
Speaker 3: I guess I don't know, yeah exactly, And that drives
Speaker 3: me nuts because I that's where they want us, and
Speaker 3: I think that's you know, why we've seen like this
Speaker 3: explosion in popularity of conspiracies, you know, like after COVID,
Speaker 3: it seems like all of a sudden, it's cool and
Speaker 3: okay to believe in conspiracies, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, some of them, not all of them. They shall say,
Speaker 2: there's a whole lot of Holocaust denialism that is going
Speaker 2: like hardcore right now, which is wild to me.
Speaker 4: Right right.
Speaker 3: And then you know, it's like the whole alien thing.
Speaker 3: It's like I believed in aliens until the government told
Speaker 3: me that they existed, and now I don't.
Speaker 2: You know, it's like we just had that talk and
Speaker 2: all the disclosures that are happening from the government. You
Speaker 2: got you understand that that's all greenlit by the government.
Speaker 2: It's like, you know, that's that's also a massive red flag,
Speaker 2: right yeah.
Speaker 3: And the whole like Holocaust denial thing, and you know,
Speaker 3: I have my whole opinion about that, but the fact
Speaker 3: that it's being pushed and the whole anti semitism, I
Speaker 3: think it's being pushed on purpose to get people into
Speaker 3: a trap.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 3: It's like, yeah, I don't know, man, Like it's it's
Speaker 3: just wild. The things that are acceptable or the things
Speaker 3: that like basically, any if I see an influencer pushing it,
Speaker 3: I just assume it it's bullshit until it's proven otherwise,
Speaker 3: you know, yea. So it's like we we just live
Speaker 3: in that era too. And also, I mean, god, you
Speaker 3: got the influencer wars coming or.
Speaker 4: Going on at all times.
Speaker 3: You know, You've got you know, against Puentes and like
Speaker 3: all of these weird things going on, and it's like,
Speaker 3: I don't pay attention to any of that. I keep
Speaker 3: my nose in my books and you know, yelling at
Speaker 3: my documentaries on my TV screen, you know.
Speaker 4: But yeah, you know, it's it's just wild.
Speaker 3: Like there's this metaphorical minefield of just all these traps everywhere,
Speaker 3: and there is the truth there. But that's the whole reason,
Speaker 3: like most of us got into this, right is because
Speaker 3: we were being lied to, are being lied to, and
Speaker 3: we're sick of it. We want to know what the
Speaker 3: truth is, and so we start asking questions and we
Speaker 3: start digging, and we start pulling that thread on that sweater,
Speaker 3: and we start doing these things. But not everything is
Speaker 3: a conspiracy, Like it's literally it can't be otherwise then
Speaker 3: nothing is a conspiracy.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: It's like, yes, I mean, okay, a conspiracy by definition,
Speaker 3: two or more people are acting in secret to perform
Speaker 3: or to create a nefarious act. It's like, of course
Speaker 3: a conspiracy exists and tons of them do like to
Speaker 3: think that they don't exist is the opposite side of absurd,
Speaker 3: you know, But to think that everything is is also,
Speaker 3: you know, the opposite side of the same coin. To
Speaker 3: think that none of them exist and to think that
Speaker 3: everything is is the same coin, and the truth is
Speaker 3: somewhere right in the middle.
Speaker 6: I think it's just going to be objectively difficult to
Speaker 6: get to the truth.
Speaker 5: You have generations that you know, like I said earlier,
Speaker 5: it takes one hundred years for a narrative to change. Realistically,
Speaker 5: it takes one hundred and fifty years, and you have
Speaker 5: a complete different narrative depending on what you're being pushed
Speaker 5: and fed.
Speaker 2: And then you destroying documentation, changing.
Speaker 5: It over time, doing it slowly where people don't really
Speaker 5: understand that they're removing things from the books and that
Speaker 5: they're changing books, rewriting them and then reproducing them or
Speaker 5: putting out different versions of them. Same with TV shows
Speaker 5: and things like that. You get to the point where
Speaker 5: what is going to be the truth versus what is
Speaker 5: really real is going to be really challenging to figure out.
Speaker 5: Even with the academics because they are being taught one way,
Speaker 5: and let's say, have access to old books and are
Speaker 5: actually able to read books from a couple hundred years
Speaker 5: ago that haven't been quote unquote messed with, then we're
Speaker 5: gonna they're gonna be fed a different narrative too, And
Speaker 5: so it's going to be just a cycle of what's
Speaker 5: what and what's real? And I guess it's more or
Speaker 5: less what do you believe and go from there, because
Speaker 5: unless you're physically touching it with your own hands, you
Speaker 5: aren't really going to be understanding what's real or not
Speaker 5: because everybody's going to be fed a different narrative unfortunately.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Right. The only pushback I would even say to
Speaker 2: that is that traditionally it took one hundred years to
Speaker 2: change the narrative. I would argue that these days it
Speaker 2: happens way quicker because of the way information spreads these days,
Speaker 2: because of the Internet, because of the court of public opinion. Right, So,
Speaker 2: I mean looking at the print and press. When Gutenberg
Speaker 2: invented that the people were starving for a new book
Speaker 2: every six months, how often does our world get a
Speaker 2: new post, a new website, a new something. You know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, so I would even say it will
Speaker 2: take shorter than one hundred years.
Speaker 6: But then we have AI.
Speaker 5: Now that is so good, that just changing the narrative
Speaker 5: of everything we see how most people can't even tell
Speaker 5: what's real and what's fake. At this point, you're having
Speaker 5: AI stamps on a lot of stuff because nobody can
Speaker 5: tell what's actually real.
Speaker 6: Right, And but that's the thing. You're gonna still have
Speaker 6: people that remember a narrative.
Speaker 5: One way, if you saw if ten people saw the
Speaker 5: same accident happen, all ten people will say a completely
Speaker 5: different narrative from each other. Within a matter of five minutes,
Speaker 5: each one of them will tell you a different thing
Speaker 5: that they saw, including what they were wearing, what happened,
Speaker 5: what their faces looked like, what was involved, what color
Speaker 5: of things were involved. And then you add that into
Speaker 5: a giant scale versus all sorts of things that people
Speaker 5: don't really spend their time actually reading into, you know,
Speaker 5: just for example, like the most random thing tectonic plates.
Speaker 5: There's an argument about how tectonic plates actually are moving
Speaker 5: and which way. Everyone understands that they move at a
Speaker 5: certain speed of time and they're shifting in certain ways,
Speaker 5: and stuff like that, But there's an argument that they're
Speaker 5: is like there is actual parts of it in the
Speaker 5: ocean that is moving in different directions, and that why
Speaker 5: they are moving different directions is because the earthcore itself
Speaker 5: is actually shifting, and there's there's a whole bunch of things,
Speaker 5: but most people aren't going to sit there and read
Speaker 5: it unless you're actually nerding out and geeking out about that.
Speaker 5: And you know, like the whole black Hole conversation with Luke.
Speaker 5: He spends his time reading that kind of stuff, which
Speaker 5: is one of our Patreon members, and he understands to
Speaker 5: a level that most of us won't ever understand. And
Speaker 5: so that alone is a conversation of like what does
Speaker 5: it matter? Well, it does matter because when you look
Speaker 5: at black holes, you're having three different actual time. Time
Speaker 5: itself is completely different inside the black hole. And like
Speaker 5: he sent me a whole bunch of articles that I'm
Speaker 5: sitting here trying to I'm going to learn about so
Speaker 5: that we can have this conversations because well, because I
Speaker 5: actually I'm interested in this. But that's that's the same
Speaker 5: thing is if people aren't interested in they're going to
Speaker 5: take face value of what's being said to them. And
Speaker 5: if the people see because I did archaeological dig sites whatever,
Speaker 5: I was around with a lot of people that did
Speaker 5: a ton of other sites that had been all over
Speaker 5: the world, and I took in the information that they
Speaker 5: were telling me because I wasn't physically there. I'm just
Speaker 5: going off of what they saw, what they experienced trust them.
Speaker 5: So you're gonna have to, Yeah, you have to trust
Speaker 5: at least what they've ever saw. But then a lot
Speaker 5: of this is being shipped off to a warehouse, So
Speaker 5: that is going to be shipped off to another location
Speaker 5: that then is going to be tested and we may
Speaker 5: or may not get the information back about actually the
Speaker 5: time and date and stamps and all of these things, and.
Speaker 3: By then has it changed to see Jones warehouse and
Speaker 3: it disappears forever.
Speaker 5: And that's what I'm saying, like, there's you know, and
Speaker 5: then who's ever funding that is the ones that are
Speaker 5: actually keeping it, which is really interesting. The people that
Speaker 5: are actually funding the big dig sites, they get say
Speaker 5: over if they are taking it or not depending on
Speaker 5: what it is, and they're what their contract is worked
Speaker 5: out with the government, and so it all ties in
Speaker 5: with what is the truth? Is the really what boils
Speaker 5: down to the ultimate question when you look at all conspiracies,
Speaker 5: what is the real truth?
Speaker 6: And how are we ever going to determine.
Speaker 5: What it is?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Right, So I want to kind of piggyback off of
Speaker 3: what you said, because what you just said is actually
Speaker 3: the reason why the narrative of false memory or false
Speaker 3: memory syndrome has been so successful is because it specifically
Speaker 3: I loved the car crash analogy because I use the
Speaker 3: same thing also, So in addition to what you said,
Speaker 3: you're right, people will argue about the details. Now, the
Speaker 3: one thing they won't argue about typically, I mean today
Speaker 3: these days with AI and everything is a little bit different.
Speaker 3: But typically if you got three people or five people
Speaker 3: that witness a car wreck, they will argue the details,
Speaker 3: but they won't argue if the crash actually So that
Speaker 3: is the benefit is that there there is a truth,
Speaker 3: like for instance, and I think kind of to answer
Speaker 3: the question, it's like, well, we've got to go back
Speaker 3: to basics to answer the question of what is true,
Speaker 3: and we start with what's right and what's wrong. You know,
Speaker 3: murder wrong, you know, sexual assault wrong.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: It's like you know, being a good person good, you know,
Speaker 3: it's like, and then define what is good like. We
Speaker 3: go from there and figure it out. But this is
Speaker 3: why false memory syndrome has been such a successful narrative,
Speaker 3: and also why disinformation is so successful. And even though
Speaker 3: false memory syndrome started with, you know, the Satanic panic
Speaker 3: and this sort of narrative, it's branched out to everything
Speaker 3: because now all of a sudden, everyone has this under
Speaker 3: standing that memories just not as good as it's supposed
Speaker 3: to be.
Speaker 4: Or it or that we think it is, that that's
Speaker 4: a lie.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: You know, yes, there are details that change over time,
Speaker 3: but there's core memories that don't go anywhere. There's core
Speaker 3: facts in your mind that don't change. For instance, like
Speaker 3: my mother can remember that I was born. She might
Speaker 3: not exactly remember what she ate that day, but she
Speaker 3: can remember.
Speaker 4: That I was born.
Speaker 5: I promise you she remembers. I was gonna say I
Speaker 5: was like as a woman. I guarantee if she remembers
Speaker 5: exactly what she ated.
Speaker 4: Pizza.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was pizza, And I actually remember the well,
Speaker 3: I don't remember, but I remember telling me the blades
Speaker 3: of where it came from.
Speaker 2: That was that was me.
Speaker 5: Honestly, I wanted pizza more than anything, period, period. And
Speaker 5: that's exactly what I had two minutes after I gave
Speaker 5: birth was a piece of pizza.
Speaker 2: I mean, it is the best food ever created.
Speaker 5: Let's I couldn't eat it for I couldn't eat my
Speaker 5: entire pregnancy, So I want a pizza.
Speaker 2: Sorry, sorry, I like totally thought about pizza then. Sorry.
Speaker 4: No, no, you're good, You're good.
Speaker 3: But you know, there's little details that will change, but
Speaker 3: there's these core facts that won't. I think this is
Speaker 3: partially the rollout of AI. Why we're rolling why it's
Speaker 3: being rolled out to us, because these core facts will
Speaker 3: get manipulated. Now now, people won't remember how to make
Speaker 3: a paper airplane. I haven't made a paper airplane in
Speaker 3: probably twenty twenty years, you know, but I guarantee give
Speaker 3: me a piece of paper and I'll remember how to
Speaker 3: do it. I haven't ridden a bike in ten fifteen years,
Speaker 3: but I guarantee, give me a second, I'll remember how
Speaker 3: to do it. You know, there are these core ideas
Speaker 3: that do stay with us because we're human, right, It's
Speaker 3: the ability to remember anything at all. The details might
Speaker 3: be fuzzy some you know, peripheral details might change, but
Speaker 3: ultimately the core idea, the core truth will stay the same. Right,
Speaker 3: Your ability to remember how to ride a bike will
Speaker 3: stay in excluding you know, extreme examples like you got
Speaker 3: an accident, hitting the head or something, sure and you
Speaker 3: know damage to that part of your brain. Outside of
Speaker 3: these extreme examples, it's gonna stay the same. You might
Speaker 3: be a little wobbly at first, but you're gonna get going.
Speaker 3: But I think AI is actually going to destroy part
Speaker 3: of these because now we're like, I'm sure you guys
Speaker 3: remember having to remember phone numbers. We still have the
Speaker 3: ability to do it, we just don't do it anymore. Right,
Speaker 3: Our kids are not going to have the ability to
Speaker 3: remember phone numbers, right, that's only one generation removed, and
Speaker 3: they won't have the ability to do it. So I
Speaker 3: think that this is partially why AI is being rolled out,
Speaker 3: because it's more of a dependence upon the state or
Speaker 3: upon the system. It's not even the state itself. Ultimately,
Speaker 3: it comes down to the technocracy. Even though I hate
Speaker 3: that term, thanks to Whitney Webb, I can't stand that term, but.
Speaker 4: That is what it is, you know.
Speaker 3: It's it's the state based upon technology, and because of that,
Speaker 3: they want dependence upon that.
Speaker 4: And They want us to not question it.
Speaker 3: They want us to not be smart enough to overthrow
Speaker 3: it or to change it or to manipulate it without
Speaker 3: their approval. And I think that's what AI is going
Speaker 3: to do. And I think this flooding of information is
Speaker 3: also part of this, right, because you're right, we now
Speaker 3: have all the information in the world at our fingertips,
Speaker 3: but people are just dumber than ever.
Speaker 4: How is that possible?
Speaker 2: Yeah, idiocracy is becoming more and more of a real
Speaker 2: life thing every day. I don't know when the last
Speaker 2: time somebody went to a fast food joint and ordered
Speaker 2: something like face to face, not through the not through
Speaker 2: the speaker, but like actually walked up to the counter
Speaker 2: and ordered something the person behind the counter and it's
Speaker 2: something that's not really intricate, but just something that's a
Speaker 2: little off the menu, like just can you change this
Speaker 2: to this and do this? Uh, I don't know how
Speaker 2: to do that, and they'll just kind of like fumble
Speaker 2: around with the screen a little bit and just yeah,
Speaker 2: it won't let me. So yeah, it's like, you know,
Speaker 2: like just a few years ago that was just not
Speaker 2: the case. That person would have been fired. And it's
Speaker 2: like idiocracy is becoming more and more of a reality
Speaker 2: every day, and especially look at the current administration. I'm
Speaker 2: just I'm seeing more and more of Alonso Mountain, Dew
Speaker 2: Camacho coming up in here. It's as the president.
Speaker 4: I don't know, right, I agree.
Speaker 3: I mean we've all been dumbed down right by design
Speaker 3: in my opinion, Yeah, one hundred percent dumb down because,
Speaker 3: like I said, they want us smart enough to run
Speaker 3: the machines, not smart enough to question why we're running them.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I feel like I've gotten smarter as I've gotten older.
Speaker 2: Because you're an independent thinker, Raven.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna be really honest with you, like if I
Speaker 5: really think about me as a teenager verse now. No,
Speaker 5: I was definitely blissfully like rose colored glasses, just kind
Speaker 5: of vibing in my own world.
Speaker 6: And then as I got older, the world shaped me
Speaker 6: and more and more.
Speaker 5: And I mean, I've always questioned things and never understood
Speaker 5: why we did things the way we did because it
Speaker 5: just didn't make any goddamn sense about why. I know,
Speaker 5: we had logical sense, like why not do this this way?
Speaker 5: It's easier and faster and more effective. And I never
Speaker 5: could understand why people didn't think like this. It has
Speaker 5: never made any sense to me, and then as an
Speaker 5: adult it hasn't worked out very well for me sometimes.
Speaker 2: But the individual is still brilliant. Right, It's the society
Speaker 2: as the whole. It's the collective. I think have dropped
Speaker 2: a few IQ points. And actually they actually did.
Speaker 3: Change it too, yeah, right, so that the collective definitely
Speaker 3: have dropped IQ points.
Speaker 4: I mean, just spend a few minutes on TikTok to
Speaker 4: see this.
Speaker 2: See but I try my hardest not to believe that
Speaker 2: that's really society. That's like what the Internet wants you
Speaker 2: to believe. The society is a society.
Speaker 4: It's part of society though.
Speaker 2: But that's what society is looking at as the norm,
Speaker 2: and that's the problem. Right, So, like American TikTok versus
Speaker 2: Chinese TikTok is a perfect example of this. Chinese TikTok,
Speaker 2: they're showing their people the best of humanity. They are
Speaker 2: exalting these people who got crazy high IQ and these
Speaker 2: great architects and all these things. They're trying to show
Speaker 2: their society what the best can look like. Then we
Speaker 2: look over to American TikTok, and that's what they want
Speaker 2: the American people to idolize and it's like, yeah, this
Speaker 2: is absolutely a part of the plan, right.
Speaker 3: You know. I was thinking about this when Snap benefits
Speaker 3: were you know, when everyone was talking about Snap right
Speaker 3: because the government was shut down and everything. You know,
Speaker 3: I was I'm still certain of this that all of
Speaker 3: those are not all of them, but I would even
Speaker 3: say maybe ninety percent of the videos of the people
Speaker 3: coming out and saying, well, I'm just going to steal
Speaker 3: my food, then nine of those videos were AI generated.
Speaker 2: I could believe it. But also these people who were
Speaker 2: admitting to it, if they get caught, that is the
Speaker 2: evidence that they wouldn't need to be convicted. Like it
Speaker 2: they're they're it's the same as those uh, those those
Speaker 2: kids in different ghettos. They're like showing weapons on their videos.
Speaker 2: They're like clearly modified and illegal. Then they get arrested
Speaker 2: a week later and they're like, what proof do you have,
Speaker 2: and it's like, here's the video you posted on your
Speaker 2: TikTok last week or not TikTok, that's YouTube or whatever
Speaker 2: the case. It's like you you incriminated yourself obviously, so
Speaker 2: good job. You know.
Speaker 3: I just think I just thought it was kind of
Speaker 3: interesting because the conversation just turned really violent, you know,
Speaker 3: around the snap stuff. It was like, I'll distill my food,
Speaker 3: and then I saw the other side, well I'll shoot you.
Speaker 4: It's like whoa.
Speaker 3: Which I'm not saying that that's not the appropriate response.
Speaker 3: I'm just saying, like, it took a real fast left turn.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: And because it's on the cell phones, because it's on
Speaker 3: our monitoring devices, it's it's on our tracking chips. That's
Speaker 3: what made me think, like this is manufactured, you know,
Speaker 3: because if somebody steals my food, you better believe that's
Speaker 3: the appropriate response. It's just strange to me because anything
Speaker 3: that comes out of the phone, I assume it's bullshit
Speaker 3: until it's proven that it's not. You know, yeah, and
Speaker 3: I think that's you know, what has led to me
Speaker 3: being here and you guys having the outlook that you
Speaker 3: do and us having a conversation like this is because
Speaker 3: you're right, we are the independent thinkers. But not everyone
Speaker 3: thinks like that. You know, everyone will look at their
Speaker 3: phone and think that that's an accurate reflection of the
Speaker 3: current world.
Speaker 5: And it's not.
Speaker 2: Especially with AI. I can't tell you how many clips
Speaker 2: I've seen of and like, for instance, Rogan the number
Speaker 2: one podcast on Earth, right, and if you have a
Speaker 2: direct quote from him, you're gonna take it as a source.
Speaker 2: Maybe not, he's only he's always right one hundred percent
Speaker 2: of the time. But whenever you see a clip, you're
Speaker 2: gonna know, Okay, Joe Rogan did say that, at least
Speaker 2: on this episode with this person over the case. I
Speaker 2: can't tell you how many AI video clips I've seen
Speaker 2: of Rogan, because there's hours and hours and hours of
Speaker 2: his voice and interviews with so many different people they
Speaker 2: could clip together and piece together and make it sound
Speaker 2: cohesive as fuck that he is promoting some product, and
Speaker 2: he's even talked about that on his show. There's commercials
Speaker 2: that he has never even been a part of, never
Speaker 2: received a dime for using his likeness and using his
Speaker 2: voice as if they have a sponsorship deal with Rogan,
Speaker 2: and he has to like tell him to shut that
Speaker 2: shit down. In the world of AI that we're living
Speaker 2: in right now, you can't even take a direct source
Speaker 2: as a direct source anymore. It's right ridiculous, yep, it is.
Speaker 5: It is.
Speaker 2: Welcome to twenty twenty six.
Speaker 3: Everyone, No kidding, no kidding, Honestly, I'm here for it,
Speaker 3: you know, Yeah, I'm I'm gonna do what I can
Speaker 3: to fight back against it. Obviously, there's gonna come a
Speaker 3: point when there's nothing we can really do. That's once again,
Speaker 3: that's why I focus on this mind control stuff because
Speaker 3: I think that's what it all comes back to, because
Speaker 3: there's so many aspects to this where it's like they
Speaker 3: want us to think that there's nothing true out there,
Speaker 3: but there's there's going to be right, but they want
Speaker 3: us to think that there's not, but there's going to
Speaker 3: be always and you know, whatever the truth is that
Speaker 3: the starting point right and what's good and what's bad,
Speaker 3: I think is always just a good starting point. The
Speaker 3: ultimate the these ultimate truths exist and they exist regardless
Speaker 3: of where we're born, what time period we're in, how
Speaker 3: much money you make, it doesn't matter. You know, there
Speaker 3: are things that are good and there are things that
Speaker 3: are bad morally, ethically, objectively. That's where my hope comes
Speaker 3: from and all of this, and it's going to get
Speaker 3: harder obviously. But we look to the past for one
Speaker 3: because I you know, I had somebody get after me
Speaker 3: one day for talking about the same old stories from
Speaker 3: the fifties, the sixties, all of these things. It's like, well,
Speaker 3: we need to keep looking at these I need to
Speaker 3: keep repeating these things because it's going to make it
Speaker 3: harder for them to be able to do this stuff
Speaker 3: in the future, right, Like, we've got to be able
Speaker 3: to keep talking about these things, like, yeah, the tactics
Speaker 3: they used in the fifties are not going to be
Speaker 3: the tactics they used today.
Speaker 4: But that's not the point. That's not why we keep
Speaker 4: talking about them, right.
Speaker 3: We keep talking about the fact that they were mind
Speaker 3: controlling people so that people realize that it's still happening today,
Speaker 3: and then we can start parsing how are they doing
Speaker 3: it today? What are the ways to be able to
Speaker 3: do it today? And ultimately that's that's why I still
Speaker 3: focus on these things. That's why I go through this
Speaker 3: whole history now time period of the nineties, that's that's
Speaker 3: the nineties in the early two thousands. It's been really
Speaker 3: hard researching because the information is still classified or it's
Speaker 3: not out yet.
Speaker 2: But when you say it's not the same tactic, to
Speaker 2: what level do you mean? Like, for instance, you've seen
Speaker 2: the show mad Men, Oh yeah, that is a form
Speaker 2: of mind control to get the public to buy a
Speaker 2: product right cut to the nineties, the Got Milk campaign,
Speaker 2: All of that came from the Dairy Dee, not DEI,
Speaker 2: the d e M, the Dairy Management Institute DMI, Dairy
Speaker 2: Management Institute, which was all government propaganda to pretty much
Speaker 2: prop up the dairy industry because of this government subsidies
Speaker 2: and stuff. And that's a whole other conversation. And I
Speaker 2: would also argue that those same tactics, almost a one
Speaker 2: to one translation, are still being used as far as
Speaker 2: our ads today. So when you say that it's different
Speaker 2: to what level.
Speaker 3: So the core concepts of mind control or propaganda advertising,
Speaker 3: those never changed, the concepts, the basics, which is why
Speaker 3: reading Edward Burnet's is so important. Yeah, because those will
Speaker 3: never change. That's why he's the Godfather for a reason.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 4: It's like that will never change.
Speaker 3: The fundamental principles of how our brains function we haven't changed.
Speaker 3: So those aren't going to change. Understanding Pavlovs experiments are
Speaker 3: still important because we as humans have not changed that much. However,
Speaker 3: what has changed is a lot of things like how
Speaker 3: we consume information.
Speaker 4: Okay, so these.
Speaker 3: Sorts of things, how information is disseminated, these sorts of
Speaker 3: things is what has changed, so the way in which
Speaker 3: it's delivered to us. So advertising has changed, right, but
Speaker 3: the reason why advertising still works hasn't changed.
Speaker 2: It's just.
Speaker 4: Like, for instance, advertising looks like reels or tiktoks.
Speaker 3: Now, you know, it's crazy. It's the craziest things I've
Speaker 3: ever seen. It's like the advertising agencies are finally catching
Speaker 3: up to memes and to like social media trends, and
Speaker 3: it's I mean, they've been trying for a while, but
Speaker 3: they always looked bad. They're finally catching up to where
Speaker 3: it looks good.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 3: And I've been tricked by some ads before where I
Speaker 3: was like WHOA, Like that was an ad? When I
Speaker 3: get to the end of it, you know, Yeah, So
Speaker 3: it's that's That's what I mean that it's changed, that
Speaker 3: the fundamental principles have not changed and they will not change.
Speaker 3: Same with mind control, MK Ultra, all of this stuff,
Speaker 3: which is why I still talk about the stories from
Speaker 3: the fifties. I go back through the MK Ultra documents
Speaker 3: because this stuff hasn't changed, it's not going to change,
Speaker 3: but the way in which it's presented to us is
Speaker 3: changing constantly.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 5: They actually use anthropologists to help create better ads for people.
Speaker 5: Now that was like one of the things that we
Speaker 5: actually took a couple semesters on for my degree. I
Speaker 5: had to do different types of ad, not just ad
Speaker 5: it it was actually marketing using psychology and stuff, and
Speaker 5: I found it really fascinating how they hire a lot
Speaker 5: of anthropologists to be able to look at human history
Speaker 5: and pretty much be able to promote it, because there's
Speaker 5: always been promoting. First it was the door to door salesman.
Speaker 5: Then it was listening to the radio and what they
Speaker 5: would say on the radio. Then it became the television.
Speaker 5: What they wanted on the television, you know, when you
Speaker 5: got to watch your favorite shows and whoever was that
Speaker 5: main character that people really loved, like in a Western
Speaker 5: or something like that. Now it shifted to social media
Speaker 5: and how they have constant ads that run. We as
Speaker 5: the nineties kids had the commercials that consistently played between
Speaker 5: all of our shows that we would.
Speaker 6: Watch all the time.
Speaker 5: Then, especially during you know, Black Friday holiday season, would
Speaker 5: see all of that, and then they would send out
Speaker 5: the add articles to everybody so you would get them
Speaker 5: in the mails, so you got to see all the
Speaker 5: toys that you wanted and you'd circle the toys and
Speaker 5: that kind of stuff.
Speaker 6: It's just shifted over time. It's not gone anywhere.
Speaker 5: It's gotten better, I would say, in some ways because
Speaker 5: it's been it's faster to be able to get to
Speaker 5: people now. But I don't think it's changed at all.
Speaker 5: I think that they've just used different tactics over time.
Speaker 5: Of you know, way back in the day, they would
Speaker 5: have the street vendors and you'd have somebody hustling that
Speaker 5: and whoever, you know, for the Victorian era, whoever.
Speaker 6: Was the most class in society would shift the what
Speaker 6: people were wearing.
Speaker 5: That's a form of propaganda and ads as well too,
Speaker 5: because people would go and painter to them, and then
Speaker 5: they would be the ones that showed everyone else, well,
Speaker 5: this is what you need, This is what we need
Speaker 5: to do as a society as a group.
Speaker 2: Yeah right, wow.
Speaker 3: You know that kind of reminds me of the in
Speaker 3: the nineteen eighties cartoon UNEs that the government stepped in
Speaker 3: and said that cartoons actually had to have a message
Speaker 3: right to kids. So because for a while the seventies,
Speaker 3: like a lot of those cartoons were really just advertisements,
Speaker 3: you know, right, And I mean they they turned into
Speaker 3: advertisements again in the nineties. I still don't care if
Speaker 3: the nineties cartoons are the best. Yeah, but in the
Speaker 3: eighties there there always had to be a message, so
Speaker 3: like g I Joe or whatever, you know, Captain Planet
Speaker 3: for yeah, Captain Planet. Captain Planet is a perfect sample
Speaker 3: propaganda all the way through the same same. I loved it,
Speaker 3: but if you go back and watch it now, it's
Speaker 3: like really anti human messaging, like you know, humans are
Speaker 3: terrible and they're destroying the planet and everything, like it's yeah.
Speaker 2: And then they had that was like a whole dei
Speaker 2: situation even for the time frame, like you had the
Speaker 2: ginger kid, the blonde the the black kid, the Asian kid,
Speaker 2: and by the combined powers, you get the blue guy
Speaker 2: in a red speedo with green hair, and it's like,
Speaker 2: sure does this run that one back? All right? Like ThunderCats,
Speaker 2: Oh ThunderCats. Well, the messaging on that one was a
Speaker 2: little different or he Man.
Speaker 5: Yeah, scalatur I like skuwy Doo as a kid, I
Speaker 5: mean frag rock hell, yeah, couraged the Cowardly Dog when
Speaker 5: it was in the nineties, is my gams.
Speaker 2: See that's when they got back to listen. Maybe we
Speaker 2: don't need a message for kids, because my ship was
Speaker 2: ed ed Nettie. There was not a goddamn message for
Speaker 2: children there except hustle for a dollar bill, which all
Speaker 2: things considered, probably did more to our detriment for going
Speaker 2: to be real teaching kids to be scam artists and ship.
Speaker 2: But all right, fine, okay.
Speaker 3: Right, yeah, it's it's really interesting. But I mean it's
Speaker 3: just funny because like, at a certain point, there were
Speaker 3: cartoons that were secifically made just to sell toys. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that's it, you know, And so like the cartoon wouldn't
Speaker 3: even exist other than to sell toys. So it's just
Speaker 3: like a twenty minute advertisement, which is crazy to think
Speaker 3: of it. It's so I mean, you guys mentioned you
Speaker 3: just talked about Brenees, and it's like the very fact
Speaker 3: that Americans eat bacon for breakfast is because of him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, same me.
Speaker 3: I can't think of anything more American than bacon, eggs
Speaker 3: and toast. You know, the traditional American diner breakfast is
Speaker 3: because of him. It's it's an advertising campaign, and I
Speaker 3: can't think of anything more American.
Speaker 4: So it's like, you know what else we're welied to about?
Speaker 4: Almost everything?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah, almost everything?
Speaker 2: J The Jetsons were crazy. Flintstones were also crazy. That
Speaker 2: was the first TV show where they had a husband
Speaker 2: and wife in bed together. Before that, the husband and
Speaker 2: wife were always in separate beds. And it was okay
Speaker 2: because it was just a cartoon. And it's like that
Speaker 2: was like the beginning of the unwholesomeness of television, and
Speaker 2: it's like, the Flintstones are pretty damn wholesome. But that
Speaker 2: was it had to start slow. Yoh, they all died.
Speaker 2: They were cavemen. Of course they all died.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 6: Then when that happened, that that was rough.
Speaker 5: But I mean the Jetsons, though, that was such an
Speaker 5: if you really think about how long ago they've been
Speaker 5: telling us that they're going to implement robots into our
Speaker 5: daily lives, and they're going to take care of our kids,
Speaker 5: and they're going to be doing all this stuff. As
Speaker 5: a child seeing that, I mean that. But that show
Speaker 5: was created. It wasn't in the sixties. It was technically created,
Speaker 5: and then it got its revival again in the eighties
Speaker 5: and it played for like, I think nine or ten
Speaker 5: years somewhere along the lines of that in the eighties
Speaker 5: to ninety, like early ninety ninety one or something. So
Speaker 5: you had multiple generations that grew up on this that
Speaker 5: watched it, and then now you shift forward to hear, well, yeah,
Speaker 5: we already grew up with all this idea of technology
Speaker 5: being our friend, being the one that's going to be
Speaker 5: around and help us when our parents are away.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 5: Now we're here and it's like, oh, yeah, I mean
Speaker 5: it's not a big deal. It'll just it will help
Speaker 5: us be better parents.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, do you guys remember the propaganda in
Speaker 3: the nineties about computers and home computers and yeah, like
Speaker 3: how revolutionary it was going to be, and like how
Speaker 3: exciting exciting.
Speaker 5: We got a gateway computer because my mom had a
Speaker 5: really high up corporate job and so to be able
Speaker 5: to work at home. They were like, you really should
Speaker 5: get this dial up computer, you know, a gateway computer.
Speaker 6: And I remember we went and we stood in line
Speaker 6: and all this stuff.
Speaker 5: I mean they were really expensive, but they gave her
Speaker 5: a cute one because she had such a high up position.
Speaker 5: And so we got this dial up computer and all
Speaker 5: this stuff, and I really didn't use it. The only
Speaker 5: thing that there was a game that we played that
Speaker 5: we both liked that was about learning how like it
Speaker 5: was She's a really good speller. My mom's like an
Speaker 5: immaculate and speller. Me I'm I'm dyslex it, so I'm dumb.
Speaker 5: So I'm like, I can't spell where the ship and
Speaker 5: so like we played like games like that, but I
Speaker 5: mean I really didn't use it. I remember the first
Speaker 5: paper I wrote with help from the computer was in
Speaker 5: like almost the end of seventh grade. Beginning of eighth
Speaker 5: grade we got to use like the Wikipedia, but even.
Speaker 2: Then we when that was a source, that was a source.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was technically a source and then but it
Speaker 5: was hard because we had like I've never looked up
Speaker 5: stuff before. But yeah, that was the first time we
Speaker 5: ever used it. And our library was full of books.
Speaker 5: I mean we had a tiny I had one one
Speaker 5: student group for like my seventh grade. I went to
Speaker 5: a tiny little school. So it's just it's just weird
Speaker 5: how technology is now when you have introducing a first
Speaker 5: grader to detechnology instead cut too.
Speaker 2: Only last September did they take dial up offline. That's
Speaker 2: gone now, which that's that was the cutting edge of
Speaker 2: home internet for at the time a good decade. I
Speaker 2: hated waiting for it. Oh man, that was that was
Speaker 2: so bad.
Speaker 6: Just the sound.
Speaker 5: I can hear the sound in my head right now.
Speaker 5: As soon as you said the word dial up, I.
Speaker 6: Heard the.
Speaker 2: That's that was the song of a generation. And these
Speaker 2: kids will never know it, right.
Speaker 5: Not having to hold your Walkman together, like your Walkman together,
Speaker 5: your CD disc and wrapping your headphones around it because
Speaker 5: it was skipping and trying to get it to where
Speaker 5: it doesn't skip.
Speaker 3: They don't understand the struggle anti skip technology.
Speaker 4: Like once that came out, it was just like wor changing.
Speaker 2: These kids will never understand the insane jump that went
Speaker 2: from carrying around a Walkman to having an m P
Speaker 2: three player that could hold four forty fucking songs.
Speaker 6: I never got one.
Speaker 2: I never did either, but my friend did and he
Speaker 2: would always like share his chord with me so I
Speaker 2: could like listen to but like forty songs? What was
Speaker 2: that was insane?
Speaker 5: I think I've always been anti technology though, I'm gonna
Speaker 5: be really honest with you. I was hardcore into watching
Speaker 5: movies like Terminator and stuff when I was growing up,
Speaker 5: and I got a CD player and I stuck with
Speaker 5: that bitch forever. Hell, I even put a CD player
Speaker 5: in my truck just so I had it and know
Speaker 5: how pissed off I am still that I own a vehicle.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 5: This is the first pehicle I've ever owned in my
Speaker 5: life that's a year old that doesn't have a CD
Speaker 5: player in it.
Speaker 2: I feel some type of way sings to your phone.
Speaker 6: Now I have a CD collection.
Speaker 2: I feel some type of way about this, thank you.
Speaker 5: I never have been about technology, though, like I could
Speaker 5: have cared less when I came up to the States
Speaker 5: at twenty six and everyone had iPhones. I kind of
Speaker 5: just kept looking at people and I was like, why
Speaker 5: do we need these phones? Why can't we just like
Speaker 5: talk to each other.
Speaker 2: I don't know, as I'm and about it. I'm also
Speaker 2: trying to build a vinyl collection as of this moment,
Speaker 2: So like I'm I'm talking out of both sides of
Speaker 2: my mouth. I suppose, you know.
Speaker 5: I've always has been more about the old school stuff.
Speaker 5: But I was also raised honestly with old people, and
Speaker 5: so I've always been about the old people life.
Speaker 3: So and I'm all about it, and hey, you know,
Speaker 3: there's some technology I do like. So I'm I'm kind
Speaker 3: of one of those people that, like I like looking
Speaker 3: towards the future. I like cool tech, right, I mean,
Speaker 3: I'm sitting here with a roadcaster, you know, I love
Speaker 3: this thing. Yeah, And I found a piece of technology today.
Speaker 3: It's like at this wearable AI thing you like wear
Speaker 3: on your chest and it's a camera and it tracks
Speaker 3: your habits and based upon your habits, it recommends to
Speaker 3: you how to change to better your habits each day.
Speaker 3: And that thing kind of freaks me out. But then
Speaker 3: I found out that it saves all the information to
Speaker 3: the device and it doesn't connect to the Internet.
Speaker 2: I had a hard time believing that.
Speaker 3: So it's native, well, because you're the one that builds it. So,
Speaker 3: I mean because to actually connect to the Internet, it
Speaker 3: would actually have to go like you would have to
Speaker 3: connect it to the internet.
Speaker 4: But so it stays on the device.
Speaker 3: You can choose whether it will like if you wear
Speaker 3: it around people, you can choose whether it will blur
Speaker 3: their faces or not. And it's like, that's the craziest
Speaker 3: thing I've ever seen. And it's got safe mode where
Speaker 3: it actually won't record, like it won't save the data
Speaker 3: to the device itself. And it's just like, so there
Speaker 3: are people out there right that does see the benefit
Speaker 3: to technology.
Speaker 4: Now I'm with you. My first thought was like bullshit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm calling myself new age amish. I think the
Speaker 2: technology should stop at the Internet and I'm good with
Speaker 2: just being here. AI. Hey, now listen, that's that new
Speaker 2: fan dangled you know.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 3: All I'm saying is, you know, maybe Uncle Ted shouldn't
Speaker 3: have done what he did, but maybe people should live
Speaker 3: in a way that they don't end up on his list.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you guys have seen those rings that you can
Speaker 5: wear that track all your stuff too.
Speaker 6: They're like three hundred dollars rings.
Speaker 4: That freaks me out.
Speaker 5: Yeah, my ex husband has one and I look at health. Yeah,
Speaker 5: it's all it's a health thing that you can get
Speaker 5: and I was like, what's on your finger and he's like, yeah,
Speaker 5: it's just like super fancy rings. So we looked it
Speaker 5: up and he was talking all he was telling me
Speaker 5: all about it and it's some kind of fancy ring.
Speaker 6: Yeah, so you wear it day and night.
Speaker 5: It's kind of like the Apple Watch, except this thing
Speaker 5: does all sorts of stuff and it like tracks all
Speaker 5: your it's for your health technically, and it tracks all
Speaker 5: of your biometrics and it stores it and you can
Speaker 5: look at the data and you can figure out what
Speaker 5: it originally like. So it's for the people that do
Speaker 5: bodybuilding too. But that's what he is is he did
Speaker 5: bodybuilding at one point, and so he was wearing it
Speaker 5: because he was getting back into it and one of
Speaker 5: his coaches wanted him to wear it to get the
Speaker 5: biometrics to be able to break down. You know, when
Speaker 5: you need to be optimizing your sleep, when do you
Speaker 5: need to be working out, how is it working?
Speaker 6: You know all of these things.
Speaker 5: But I'm like, you're wearing something that's tracking you twenty
Speaker 5: four to seven. It's that's kind of like the whole gig.
Speaker 5: My mom bought me in two different Apple watches. Well
Speaker 5: she gave me when you bought me one and I
Speaker 5: was like, Mom, what am I going to do with this?
Speaker 6: She's like, wear it. It's amazing.
Speaker 5: I'm like, so you're getting comfortable being tagged twenty four
Speaker 5: to seven because it's the easiest thing to do.
Speaker 2: Mention the radiation, you know, And I know people are
Speaker 2: going to say, well, your phone's track you at all times.
Speaker 6: Less I the phone is tracking us at all times.
Speaker 2: This is true.
Speaker 6: And I haven't never not understood that this thing is
Speaker 6: being tracked all the time.
Speaker 2: But that's the thing or downgrading, you know, dude, the
Speaker 2: plamshell is looking more and more appealing by the day.
Speaker 2: Oh no, they got the sidekick back.
Speaker 5: But it's really cool now they have like it opens
Speaker 5: up and then it folds open to like it yes,
Speaker 5: it it closes and then it opens like this, and
Speaker 5: it's actually like a sidekick, but it's it's this whole
Speaker 5: screen thing that's all touching. I will say, it's pretty cool.
Speaker 5: It got my millennial heart.
Speaker 2: I gotta I gotta look into this because I've seen
Speaker 2: one of my former co workers. He had one of
Speaker 2: those foldable screens. Yeah right, but he's like, yeah, but
Speaker 2: it's only good for like five thousand opens and closed.
Speaker 2: Then you got to get a replace. And I'm like
Speaker 2: what what huh? Why would you do that? And I
Speaker 2: think that was like the first iteration of a foldable screen.
Speaker 2: I'm sure they've come a long way since the more
Speaker 2: now it's like, so what the fuck?
Speaker 6: I mean, there's some cool technology, like yeah.
Speaker 4: Right, there is.
Speaker 3: I mean they're just objectively is, but there's also like
Speaker 3: scary technology at the same time. And the problem is
Speaker 3: is it's like not everyone has the best of intentions
Speaker 3: for other people or humanity as a whole. And that's
Speaker 3: my problem with technology. It's it's not the technology itself.
Speaker 3: It's because I know, once Pandora's box is opened, that's it. Yes, yes,
Speaker 3: and that's my problem. It's just like humans in mass
Speaker 3: usually can't be trusted.
Speaker 2: Dude.
Speaker 3: Not to say that good people don't exist, because they do.
Speaker 3: I think good people are the majority of people, but
Speaker 3: the bad people are still powerful enough to do terrible
Speaker 3: things with it and then worshcreped Dude.
Speaker 2: I use the shopping cart example all the time when
Speaker 2: people are like, well, humans are inherently good in nature,
Speaker 2: that's inherently not true. Look at any Walmart parking lot.
Speaker 2: If everybody was inherently good natured, then we would never
Speaker 2: have a straight shopping cart in the middle of the
Speaker 2: parking lot. Unfortunately, there are so many people out here
Speaker 2: that don't give a fuck, and there are so many
Speaker 2: people that truly do. And I'm not saying if you
Speaker 2: don't put your shopping cart back then you're a heathen
Speaker 2: and aren't fit for society. I'm saying you might be that. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm saying you might be. It depends, But and I'm
Speaker 2: also not saying that if you put your shopping cart
Speaker 2: back then you're obviously a saint, like I'm saying you
Speaker 2: might be. But my point is even that's a perfect example.
Speaker 2: You're gonna gain nothing from putting the shopping cart back.
Speaker 2: You're gonna lose nothing from not putting it back, but
Speaker 2: it's something that you should do. You know how this goes,
Speaker 2: And that's what happens wh people are left to their
Speaker 2: own devices. And that's why I'm not a You said
Speaker 2: that you're a pure anarchist, right, and I could understand
Speaker 2: the heart the idea of pure anarchy, where everybody does
Speaker 2: what they need to do for themselves without harming anyone else.
Speaker 2: And like I understand that premise, I'm saying that humanity
Speaker 2: can't handle that because that requires a level of personal
Speaker 2: responsibility that most humans are not okay with.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 3: Well, that that's why I'm not a I don't, you know,
Speaker 3: promote anarchy as like the practicality of it, because the practicality,
Speaker 3: I mean, pure anarchy is a utopian ideal, right right,
Speaker 3: but yeah, it's totally well, And that's the shopping cart
Speaker 3: theory is exactly why anarchy can't work because some people
Speaker 3: don't put their cards back. You know, this is a
Speaker 3: plain and simple because you're right, you don't get anything
Speaker 3: for doing either, right, But the whole point of it's
Speaker 3: the example of whether you can self govern.
Speaker 4: That's it.
Speaker 2: The laws don't exist for the people that are putting
Speaker 2: their shopping carts back. The laws exist for the ones
Speaker 2: that don't.
Speaker 3: Exactly well, and here that's a fundamental misunderstanding of anarchy,
Speaker 3: and a bunch of left anarchists would argue with me
Speaker 3: about this. Anarchy is not against hierarchies, right, because there's
Speaker 3: such thing as legitimate force and illegitimate force, right, And
Speaker 3: in my opinion, anarchy is against illegitimate force, not legitimate
Speaker 3: force so or legitimate authority. Even because just because we
Speaker 3: would have anarchy one day, that employees' only sign is
Speaker 3: not going to lose its power, right, Most people are
Speaker 3: not going into the back of a store that said,
Speaker 3: you know, past the sign that says employees only, Like
Speaker 3: that sign is not going to lose its power just
Speaker 3: because you know, we don't have government one day. So
Speaker 3: I think there's a case to be made where people
Speaker 3: can obviously govern themselves to a point, but obviously we
Speaker 3: have to have law and order, because like, no law
Speaker 3: in order is absurd.
Speaker 4: That is chaos.
Speaker 3: You know, chaos is unacceptable for any sort of society.
Speaker 3: But this is also why it's the Great American Experience Experiment,
Speaker 3: because I mean, our founding fathers, regardless of what anyone's
Speaker 3: opinion is of them, I have my own. They believe
Speaker 3: that the common man could govern themselves, and I think,
Speaker 3: you know, I tend to believe that there is enough
Speaker 3: people that we can. That doesn't mean that we do
Speaker 3: it without restrictions though.
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