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Speaker 5: Melinda Kola is very familiar with his Secret Santa and
Speaker 5: the many links to tie him to John Beney Ramsey.
Speaker 5: Each link is carefully explained within this book to lead
Speaker 5: from one connection to the next between John Beney and
Speaker 5: the Secret Santa. Follow the pieces of the puzzle to
Speaker 5: find out who this Secret Santa is and how this
Speaker 5: chameleon was able to evade the authorities. Included within is
Speaker 5: a pair of government generated documents for the same man
Speaker 5: under different aliases assume names. This alone should raise a
Speaker 5: red flag for authorities. The same individual also use a
Speaker 5: term of endearment common to the Ramsey family for John
Speaker 5: Benney in front of his peers and classmates at a
Speaker 5: karate school when asked if he was related to that
Speaker 5: girl found in a basement, he responded with, I don't know,
Speaker 5: no Johnny B. No one knew this term of endearment
Speaker 5: until it was used in the book The Death of
Speaker 5: Innocence by John Ramsey. Planned murder indicates that the killer
Speaker 5: knew the victim's schedule. Overkill is usually a message intended
Speaker 5: for someone else other than the victim. Who was the
Speaker 5: overkill message intended.
Speaker 4: For and why.
Speaker 5: DNA feenotyping can be used to help generate an image
Speaker 5: of the killer's face, which may match up with some
Speaker 5: of the images found within this book, raising some serial questions.
Speaker 5: The true name of the Secret Santa is listed on
Speaker 5: Detective Lou Smith's suspect list. There is a list of
Speaker 5: people to contact at the end of the book should
Speaker 5: you see this Secret Santa reporters whereabouts to the proper authorities.
Speaker 5: Corruption and lack of cooperation on the part of the
Speaker 5: authorities have held back much of this information for far
Speaker 5: too long. That is why she has compiled the list
Speaker 5: of links to send out to the public so that
Speaker 5: they may decide for themselves if the information found within
Speaker 5: warrant's interest and possibly and arrest, Perhaps together, we can
Speaker 5: finally bring an end to this case and justice for
Speaker 5: John Benay Ramsey. The book that we're featuring this evening
Speaker 5: is Secret Santa, My Murderer, The True John Benay completed
Speaker 5: puzzle with my special guest activists and author Melinda Coola.
Speaker 5: Welcome to the program, and thank you for this interview.
Speaker 5: Melinda Coola.
Speaker 6: Thank you, Mistress Fansky, for giving an ear and an
Speaker 6: audience to John Benay as well as other homicide victims.
Speaker 6: It's our job to tell the truth. I can tell
Speaker 6: you this since the nine to eleven Terrible Tragedies. There's
Speaker 6: posters everywhere see it, say it. If you see something
Speaker 6: that's wrong, you suspect something, you're supposed to report it.
Speaker 6: If not, then you become culpable in the outcome of tragedies.
Speaker 6: I'm trying not to become culpable in the outcome of
Speaker 6: the tragedy of this child.
Speaker 5: Let's go to nineteen ninety six. Take us back for
Speaker 5: people to understand what John Benay had told four persons.
Speaker 5: Tell us what John Benay had said regarding Secret Santa.
Speaker 5: Tell us about these conversations before we talk about who
Speaker 5: you found out to be the Secret Santa.
Speaker 6: Children are never heard. Everyone wants them to go away.
Speaker 6: But John Beney quote a friend of hers, and that
Speaker 6: information was just made available very recently. This friend announced
Speaker 6: that John Benay, when they were young, told her she
Speaker 6: was very excited Santa is coming again after Christmas. But
Speaker 6: the child said, well, santso was here. You know, Santa's
Speaker 6: coming again after Christmas with a present, but it's a secret.
Speaker 6: It's a secret visit. This child just now recently, within
Speaker 6: the last couple of weeks, came forward with that information
Speaker 6: because now she's twenty six years older and she realized
Speaker 6: the importance of what John Beney told her dear friend
Speaker 6: when they were both six years old.
Speaker 5: You cite three other people that were also told about
Speaker 5: this secret Santa. What kinds of things specifically did John
Speaker 5: Benet say, And to who the.
Speaker 6: Santa at fleet White's party? That Santa was accustomed to
Speaker 6: being there for the fleet White family, so everyone was
Speaker 6: familiar with that Santa. That was the second Santa for
Speaker 6: John Beney, John Benet's family's Santa. Mc reynold's was Stanta
Speaker 6: number one. So as this party is winding down at
Speaker 6: fleet White's house and Priscilla's John Benney is thinking Santa,
Speaker 6: and Santa is hoping she enjoyed all her presence. John
Speaker 6: Beney told that Santa Danta number two, she's expecting another
Speaker 6: Santa after Christmas. But it was a secret Santa, and
Speaker 6: he's going to bring her yet another present, Stanta number two.
Speaker 6: I'm not sure if he became a little annoyed that
Speaker 6: she might be greedy or didn't understand she was speaking
Speaker 6: of her truth. Santa's coming again after Christmas, because that
Speaker 6: Danta told her he has already been here at your
Speaker 6: home and here I am. So he wondered why she
Speaker 6: was expecting another Santa. In the evening when everyone was leaving.
Speaker 6: I believe that John Deney told Priscilla White, Danta is
Speaker 6: coming again after Christmas when Papa John Ramsey tucked his
Speaker 6: child in bed. Somewhere along the line over these past
Speaker 6: twenty six years, someone pointed out that she also told
Speaker 6: her father while he's tucking her in and she wakes
Speaker 6: up just a moment or two, and she's excited because
Speaker 6: even though she's sleepy and it's been a long day,
Speaker 6: Danta is coming again after Christmas. The child, who's now
Speaker 6: twenty six years old, that is recent. That is a
Speaker 6: young lady who knows what she heard from this precious
Speaker 6: six year old friend of hers. The other Santa. I
Speaker 6: don't know that he's still alive from the Fleet White party.
Speaker 6: And for Priscilla, she may remember that, but certainly I
Speaker 6: would think a father would remember the words that his
Speaker 6: daughter has to say about a secret Santa after Christmas?
Speaker 5: You right about the groundskeeper and what John Benay had
Speaker 5: said to the groundskeeper regarding Secret Sannah.
Speaker 6: Yes, her conversation with the groundskeeper stemmed from her coming
Speaker 6: to him and she was crying, and this I had
Speaker 6: read somewhere. She approached him, she was crying. He wants
Speaker 6: to know why she was crying. After all, it's Christmas,
Speaker 6: you've opened your presence, you've visited with Santsa, you have
Speaker 6: a brand new bike. Why would you be crying on Christmas?
Speaker 6: Probably he's thinking, as a young man himself, did someone
Speaker 6: hurt her? Did she fall? What's wrong? And she said
Speaker 6: to him, I wish my father was around more often.
Speaker 6: So at that moment I'm feeling is that if she's
Speaker 6: not seeing her father as the bad guy, I wish
Speaker 6: my father was around more often. And why does love
Speaker 6: hurt Why does love hurt? That was the second comment.
Speaker 6: Why would a six year old even make such a statement.
Speaker 6: Is it because the secret Santa who visited every Christmas
Speaker 6: Eve hurt her while he's in costume? Is that a
Speaker 6: possibility to answers.
Speaker 5: Yes, let's get back to what the neighborhood later after this,
Speaker 5: And again we're not going to go into what happened
Speaker 5: on that morning, the police arrival and the mishandling of
Speaker 5: this case, the gross mishandling of this case right from
Speaker 5: the very beginning of the investigation. But let's talk about
Speaker 5: what police do find in terms of a neighbor that
Speaker 5: comes forth and has something to say that they witnessed
Speaker 5: in terms of a scream and also an eyewitness report
Speaker 5: that they gave to police. Tell us what they said
Speaker 5: to police in terms of this description and what they
Speaker 5: hurt and when.
Speaker 6: That is such an important point because the neighbor across
Speaker 6: the street heard after midnight or at midnight a scream
Speaker 6: of a child, most heart wrenching screams she had ever
Speaker 6: heard in her entire life. This scream came definitely, in
Speaker 6: her opinion, from across the street from the Ramsay's home.
Speaker 6: That tells us that at midnight, John Beane still alive
Speaker 6: because she's the one that screamed. Now later that same
Speaker 6: witness who's hearing the scream and is wondering what's going
Speaker 6: on across the street that same witness saw at five pm. Okay,
Speaker 6: now we're into the next day, the day after Christmas,
Speaker 6: where John and Patsy are leaving their home at five
Speaker 6: to go to the Fleet White party, but the neighbors
Speaker 6: saying goodbye. She has their dog. She sees a man
Speaker 6: coming from the left walking straight to John's house. There
Speaker 6: is a good chance that the person walking straight to
Speaker 6: John's house and cutting as you're looking at the front
Speaker 6: of the house over to the left corner, watched John
Speaker 6: and Patsy pull away. Because of the timing, So this
Speaker 6: curious woman saw the image of the man, knows that
Speaker 6: he was maybe five six, maybe one hundred and thirty pounds.
Speaker 6: What jacket he was wearing that he with intention walk
Speaker 6: toward the house and off to the left corner. That
Speaker 6: would be by the way, the same corner where if
Speaker 6: you lift up the grate and slide into the room,
Speaker 6: it would be that corner. Later, when the police were
Speaker 6: there to find out about the kidnapping, which, as you know,
Speaker 6: turned into a murder. He is there at running away
Speaker 6: from the house. That same man is running away from
Speaker 6: the house from the back and then back to the
Speaker 6: direction he came from. And this woman is watching him
Speaker 6: run away from the house while the authorities are in
Speaker 6: the house, probably looking for him. Now they realize this
Speaker 6: is not a kidnapping, this is a murder. So she
Speaker 6: had turned around and stopped one of the local officers
Speaker 6: in front of her home, like in between the two streets,
Speaker 6: and she said, there is a man running away from
Speaker 6: the house. This is what he looks like. But he
Speaker 6: is the same man that at five o'clock in the
Speaker 6: evening approached the house and that front left corner. So
Speaker 6: it's the same man at five who is running away. Now,
Speaker 6: maybe someone could go catch up with him and find
Speaker 6: out who he is and why is he and why
Speaker 6: is he running away from the house When the house
Speaker 6: is loaded with police officers, She said, no one paid
Speaker 6: attention to her, No one pursued that individual.
Speaker 5: Incredible. Let's talk about the most important thing that you
Speaker 5: bring to this story, obviously, is your interaction with this
Speaker 5: person you believe is the primary suspect. Bill Ramsey. First off,
Speaker 5: tell us who Bill Ramsey is, just officially, and then
Speaker 5: let's take our audience back to the karate school. And
Speaker 5: in July nineteen ninety six, you're write that your husband
Speaker 5: is involved in this karate school as an adult student
Speaker 5: and your son is involved as a child student at
Speaker 5: this AKC karate school. Tell us what this karate school is,
Speaker 5: who the instructor is, tell us a little bit about
Speaker 5: your son being there. Tell us give us a background
Speaker 5: about this karate school and why you're all there, and
Speaker 5: then what happens one day? Who do you meet.
Speaker 6: There's two karate schools and we should always call them
Speaker 6: Karate school number one, the original school that Bill Ramsey
Speaker 6: and his two friends participated in Mannahawk and New Jersey.
Speaker 6: That's karate school number one. Let's call it the negative school.
Speaker 6: Karate school number two, the one my husband and son attended.
Speaker 6: Franklin was five and a half years old. He's in
Speaker 6: the child's class. Tom's in the adult class with other
Speaker 6: adult males and females. That's karate school number two. Parkinson
Speaker 6: Bay Karate School. The owner is Brian Parkinson. That was
Speaker 6: in Weartown, New Jersey, which is now the Waretown Post Office.
Speaker 6: This is where I met a man and his name
Speaker 6: was Bill Ramsey. Bill Ramsey and his two friends came
Speaker 6: together at the Parkinson Bay Karate School. Bill Ramsey's presence
Speaker 6: was very strongly felt because of his attention to the
Speaker 6: children and then his aggressive nature with the adult males,
Speaker 6: especially after he returned from John Bonnat's murder situation. Bill
Speaker 6: Ramsey is five feet six, he's one hundred and thirty pounds.
Speaker 6: Silken wet to describe him as very easy of Charles Manson.
Speaker 6: This man standing right next to Charles Manson, and you
Speaker 6: probably wouldn't be able to tell them apart in height
Speaker 6: and build and weight, in the way they look in appearance.
Speaker 6: No disrespect to either one of them, but you're looking
Speaker 6: at someone very very similar to Charles Manson. Bill Ramsey
Speaker 6: is sitting on the bleachers. High on the bleachers, there's
Speaker 6: one bleacher. It kind of helps the karate instructor to
Speaker 6: keep the adults away from the children. During the children's class.
Speaker 6: Bill was angry, and this is where he really got
Speaker 6: my attention. Bill was very very angry because on the
Speaker 6: wall where Bill always sat high on the bleacher to
Speaker 6: his right was a wooden karate training sword. It was
Speaker 6: a very ornate piece of carving. It can be used
Speaker 6: as a sword, it can inflict danger, but it was
Speaker 6: intended as a unique gift, one of a kind for
Speaker 6: the owner of the school, given to mister Parkinson. Since
Speaker 6: the Parkinson by an appreciating customer client, it always hung
Speaker 6: on that wall. Bill Ramsey is all about wood and
Speaker 6: that's something we all remember. My son because he did
Speaker 6: very well in obtaining his white belt. Now remember he's
Speaker 6: a very active little boy five and a half years old,
Speaker 6: asked the karate instructor, since he won his white belt,
Speaker 6: would he please run up the bleacher, grabbed the sword.
Speaker 6: He'll be very very careful, but he just wanted to
Speaker 6: see it and handle it. Mister Parkinson gave him permission.
Speaker 6: Franklin ran off the bleachers behind Bill Ramsey, grabbed the
Speaker 6: sword off the wall, jumped down from the bleachers. It
Speaker 6: was only about five six steps. As he's playing something
Speaker 6: that would be like Zoral Power Rangers. He's just swinging
Speaker 6: the sword around, pretending to be able to train himself
Speaker 6: how to use it better. Not anyone in sight of him.
Speaker 6: No one was in danger. The karate instructor was keeping
Speaker 6: an eye on that. All of a sudden, Bill Ramsey
Speaker 6: jumps off the bleacher, went after Franklin, ripped the sword
Speaker 6: from Franklin's hands and thrusted it toward Franklin's abdomen. Franklin,
Speaker 6: because he had just finished workout, Franklin intuitively jumped back
Speaker 6: away from the point of the sword. It's a wooden sword,
Speaker 6: and that I raced from the front of the school
Speaker 6: to Franklin, pushed them behind, grabbed the sword off. Bill
Speaker 6: Ramsey returned it to where it's supposed to be on
Speaker 6: the wall. Told the instructor, get this man away from
Speaker 6: the children. He's a danger to the children. None of
Speaker 6: the children are his. Why is he here? And if
Speaker 6: he's here, the next time, all parents will pull their
Speaker 6: children because I will pull mine. And the problem was resolved.
Speaker 6: We thought, that's Bill Ramsey.
Speaker 5: Tell us a little bit more about this unique hand carved,
Speaker 5: hand painted miniature karate sword.
Speaker 6: This sword, I had it in my own hands. It's
Speaker 6: only about twenty to twenty two inches in length. In
Speaker 6: that area the sword had scrolled where you would put
Speaker 6: your hand the hand grip. It had scrolled in gold,
Speaker 6: the word Korea. Not made in Japan, made in China
Speaker 6: made in Korea. No, no, no, only just one word
Speaker 6: scrolled in gold paint, indicative of it being a one
Speaker 6: of a kind and created for this instructor. The word
Speaker 6: Korea down the shaft of it on all sides was
Speaker 6: what one would think, is this black laquer swiggles like
Speaker 6: little snakes. It wasn't. It was Korean lettering. The Korean
Speaker 6: lettering meant pride, integrity, that sort of thing. It also
Speaker 6: had splashes of other colors of paint. And it was
Speaker 6: sealed with a glistening laquer. That's very very important. It
Speaker 6: was sealed. This whole piece of wood artwork was sealed
Speaker 6: with a glistening laquer. The reason why that's important is
Speaker 6: in the autopsy report, the coroner is very specific as
Speaker 6: to the explanation and detailing of the wooden stick, which
Speaker 6: everyone is calling a paint brush handle. Whether it is
Speaker 6: or it isn't. I only know this when he said
Speaker 6: the word Korea scrolled in gold paint, and then there
Speaker 6: were black swiggles of lacquer paint running up and down it,
Speaker 6: and a splash of multiple color paints, and it was
Speaker 6: sealed with a glade listening lacquer. He basically described the
Speaker 6: sword I just described to you, sir, so not only that,
Speaker 6: but mister Stepansky, this is a man who loves wood,
Speaker 6: can turn wood into anything he absolutely wants to. So
Speaker 6: was that stick that completed the garag? Was it from
Speaker 6: the paint brush tray? A handle? A paint brush handle.
Speaker 6: I can tell you one thing I know about paint
Speaker 6: brush handles. They are never how much you spend on them,
Speaker 6: how little you spend on them, it's irrelevant. They're never
Speaker 6: sealed with a glistening laquer. They're never. They don't have
Speaker 6: Korean words going up and down them. They don't have
Speaker 6: scrolled and go only one word Korea. They have yes,
Speaker 6: made in Japan, made in China. Yes they have that,
Speaker 6: but not what was described as this miniature would karate
Speaker 6: training sort. So, sooner or later we are going to
Speaker 6: connect what exactly was used to make the garage.
Speaker 5: Let's talk about his behavior. You mentioned that his behavior
Speaker 5: in the class was a concern to all the parents,
Speaker 5: and so they went to the instructor and tried to
Speaker 5: come up with some solution. So the adults were not
Speaker 5: unless they were a guardian or parent of the child,
Speaker 5: they were not allowed to be at these classes. And
Speaker 5: the adults were only permitted to be at these classes
Speaker 5: five minutes arrived only five minutes before their classes, So
Speaker 5: there was a separation between the children and having someone
Speaker 5: not connected to the children. Say, for example, observing in
Speaker 5: this interim from July to December, your husband was in
Speaker 5: these adult classes, and other people communicated with this person
Speaker 5: that was in these classes as fellow karate de vote.
Speaker 5: What are the things that were said just before Christmas
Speaker 5: of nineteen ninety six.
Speaker 6: Mister Sepansky, you just hit on the most important part
Speaker 6: of all of this. Bill came in and is rare
Speaker 6: that Bill Ramsey is in good spirits. Only one day
Speaker 6: that I know of, he announced to the karate instructor
Speaker 6: that he and his two friends are seasonal workers in construction.
Speaker 6: They didn't have the money paid the tuition for the
Speaker 6: last couple of months. The crowding instructor said, that's okay.
Speaker 6: When you get back to work, then you can just
Speaker 6: catch up. I know you're not going anywhere. He said,
Speaker 6: oh no, no, I expect to collect one hundred and
Speaker 6: eighteen thousand dollars as an inheritance, and when I returned
Speaker 6: from Boulder, Colorado, I will not only paid my delinquent tuition,
Speaker 6: but that of my two friends Ed in Terry, and
Speaker 6: he said, well that's okay, no pressure, But did somebody die?
Speaker 6: You used the word inheritance. Did someone die? He said?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 6: No, said I visit my father every Christmas Eve for
Speaker 6: a large sum of money. It sustains me for a year,
Speaker 6: and then I go back to the next custasy for
Speaker 6: that year's inheritance. Nobody died, and the crowding instructor, mister
Speaker 6: Brian Parkinson, said, oh, okay, I just I was concerned
Speaker 6: because you use that one word inheritance. He said, no, no, no.
Speaker 6: The other thing that took place was when anyone the
Speaker 6: men or the children would earn a belt rightfully, so
Speaker 6: everybody else would chear them on. Another adult male right
Speaker 6: another adult male said to him, you know, don't you
Speaker 6: have any family to be here for you and cheer
Speaker 6: you on and encourage you beside your two friends Ed
Speaker 6: and Terry. Don't you have anybody? He said, no, I'm
Speaker 6: the black sheep of a wealthy family. They live out
Speaker 6: in Boulder, Colorado. I see them once a year. They
Speaker 6: can't be bothered with me other than give me money
Speaker 6: to stay away from them. And he was very angry,
Speaker 6: and he said, I hate children, I hate children, I
Speaker 6: hate my siblings, I hate women. And he just kind
Speaker 6: of used that moment to vent his anger toward a
Speaker 6: specific group, his siblings, because they were doted over his words,
Speaker 6: not mine, they were doted over and all he gets
Speaker 6: his money once a year to get out of town
Speaker 6: and stay away for another year. Those were his words
Speaker 6: to different people in the karate class who happened to
Speaker 6: be standing around in a group encouraging one another to
Speaker 6: succeed in getting their next belt. So enough men in
Speaker 6: that karate class heard that, but more telling beside one
Speaker 6: hundred and eighteen thousand dollars before he ever left Ocean County,
Speaker 6: New Jersey, in this case where town, New Jersey before
Speaker 6: he ever left, and expressing his hatred for his siblings
Speaker 6: because they were doted over in women in general, and
Speaker 6: that he traveled to Boulder to receive money once every Christmas.
Speaker 6: Considering all of that, Considering all of that, when this
Speaker 6: man came back from Boulder, Colorado, after the murder of
Speaker 6: this child, he had not received one hundred and eighteen
Speaker 6: thousand dollars, and he was filled with rage and anger,
Speaker 6: and he only took it out on one person, my husband.
Speaker 5: Let's go back to something that happened before his planned
Speaker 5: Christmas visit. I think it's very important if this was
Speaker 5: witnessed and you write that it was. What was the footwear,
Speaker 5: the new footwear that Bill Ramsey came to the karate
Speaker 5: class wearing.
Speaker 6: Oh my god, you're brilliant. He prior to the trip,
Speaker 6: because he sat high in the bleachers and he always
Speaker 6: wore what I would call clothes of a pauper, if
Speaker 6: I may say so, and no disrespect please, But all
Speaker 6: of a sudden he's sitting on the bleachers and since
Speaker 6: he says, hi, you cannot miss the red logo. It's
Speaker 6: a type of a feather ring read Indian feathering if
Speaker 6: you will. That's why I would explain it as and
Speaker 6: the words high tech HI, dash, capital T, capital E,
Speaker 6: capital C. Because these very shiny footwear is new to
Speaker 6: his wardrobe. The men, especially the karate instructor, mister Brian Parkinson,
Speaker 6: encouraged him and commented in a very positive way, hoping
Speaker 6: that he would do the same with the rest of
Speaker 6: his wardrobe, like not look so Charles Manson like. So
Speaker 6: they commented and he said, well, it's cold where I'm going,
Speaker 6: and I needed this footwear, and so now it'll be
Speaker 6: easier for him to visit his father for the collection
Speaker 6: of his money. But please remember something which I just
Speaker 6: found out recently, which is why I'm bringing it up
Speaker 6: right now. There is police issue items that were in
Speaker 6: the crime scene that to this day nobody can explain.
Speaker 6: The high tech brand one footprint one in the dust
Speaker 6: next to John Binney where she was found. That's a
Speaker 6: police issued footwear. I didn't know that, do know that?
Speaker 3: Now?
Speaker 6: Also the mag flashlight, the mag flashlight that was found
Speaker 6: and nobody has identified it as being theirs, or somebody
Speaker 6: brought it in and just forgot about it. No, no, no,
Speaker 6: that is also police issued. The mag flashlight is police issued.
Speaker 6: Officers can use that to protect themselves that if they're
Speaker 6: in a tough spot when they don't want to use
Speaker 6: their pistols and anything else for that matter. Mister Bill Ramsey,
Speaker 6: he attended the first karate school, and this is very important.
Speaker 6: The first karate school was AKC Karate School operated by
Speaker 6: Scott Razer his true name aka Tom Yobaggi, his fraudulent name.
Speaker 6: So he operated the school under a fraudulent name. The
Speaker 6: reason he did that is he was a career pedophile.
Speaker 6: He'd been arrested in multiple states. Bill Ramsey and he
Speaker 6: formed an unusual unhealthy friendship. Bill Ramsey built the loft
Speaker 6: over the karate school where the children in that class
Speaker 6: were being molested. Scott Raiser aka Tom Yoboggi went to
Speaker 6: prison for fifty three counts of child molis station and
Speaker 6: other crimes against children, pleaded down to nine. That school
Speaker 6: taught the local police officers only police officers self defense
Speaker 6: tactical training, and on the brochure it said against foreign factions.
Speaker 6: The ransom note has the words foreign faction. Pox five
Speaker 6: googled those words and they said those two words together
Speaker 6: appears nowhere, nowhere on any search engine, but they did
Speaker 6: in the brochure from AKC Karate School for police training only.
Speaker 6: I couldn't get in that class. You couldn't get in
Speaker 6: that class, sir, But Bill Ramsey did because he had
Speaker 6: friendship with the local police. When that karate school, mister
Speaker 6: Scott Razor aka Tomi Olbangi went to prison for his
Speaker 6: criminal activity against his student children, then the local police
Speaker 6: had to shut down that school. They contacted Bill Ramsey
Speaker 6: and his friends and said, we have no need for
Speaker 6: the stunt guns that are here, and wooden sword or
Speaker 6: whatever else is here, the uniforms if you want them,
Speaker 6: come take whatever you want. We are just instructed with
Speaker 6: closing down the school and being out the building. Bill
Speaker 6: Ramsey went there and obtained the sun guns, but prior
Speaker 6: to that, Bill Ramsey had a sun gun of his
Speaker 6: own that he used on mister Scott Razor's Doberman pincher.
Speaker 6: When the school was closed down, Bill Ramsey went to
Speaker 6: the second school, my husband and son's school, Parkinson Bay Karate,
Speaker 6: and he one day made the mistake of bringing the
Speaker 6: stun gun to the school. The instructor, mister Parkinson, was
Speaker 6: not pleased by any stretch of the imagination. He said,
Speaker 6: what are you bringing a weapon to school? We don't
Speaker 6: use weapons in the school and I don't want the
Speaker 6: children seeing that. And he said, well, all, I just
Speaker 6: brought it because I used it on my friend's Doberman
Speaker 6: pincher and it took three strikes to get the dog down,
Speaker 6: to lay the dog down, make the dog unconscious. And
Speaker 6: now the parod instructor is livid. You use that weapon
Speaker 6: on the helpless defenseless dog. Why was this so important
Speaker 6: for you to learn that it took three strikes to
Speaker 6: disable that vehicle? I mean that dog? Why was that
Speaker 6: so important? And do you know that dogs, like people,
Speaker 6: have long memories. And he said, just take that out
Speaker 6: of here, and was furious. So Bill Ramsey had not
Speaker 6: one stun gun now that the Scott Razor school was
Speaker 6: closed down. He had multiple stun guns, and he knew
Speaker 6: that it took three strikes to take down and disable
Speaker 6: this Doberman pincher. If you remember correctly, this is the
Speaker 6: time to mention, jumping back and forth, that John Benay
Speaker 6: was struck at least twice, if not three times, but
Speaker 6: at least twice with a stun gun side of her
Speaker 6: face and in her back area. And Detective loose Myth
Speaker 6: bless him, rest his soul. Detective Loose Myth, with a
Speaker 6: variety of experts verifight, those were stun gun mark not
Speaker 6: railroad track and pieces.
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Speaker 5: when he returns to this school. You talk about Bill Ramsey.
Speaker 5: As a result of this investigation into the murder of
Speaker 5: John Bennet, bill Ramsey changes his name. Tell us about
Speaker 5: what Bill Ramsey changes his name and when and how
Speaker 5: you are what are the circumstances that you get involved
Speaker 5: in this case and what do you do?
Speaker 6: Wow, Okay, here we go, mister Sefanski. Bill Ramsey left
Speaker 6: to go to Boulder, Colorado. She was happy. He expected
Speaker 6: to collect and it was a specific amount that he
Speaker 6: mentioned before he ever left, one hundred and eighteen thousand dollars.
Speaker 6: It is that very amount that the authorities probably need
Speaker 6: to look at. Why did he know that amount, which
Speaker 6: is also in the ransom note? So he returned without
Speaker 6: the funds. He attacked my husband multiple times. My husband
Speaker 6: put a stop to it. My husband warned him the
Speaker 6: first time, it's just sparring, it's warming up. But he
Speaker 6: attacked my husband aggressively. The first time. My husband backed
Speaker 6: them off. He attacked my husband the second time. My
Speaker 6: husband back to them off. Is to listen, I don't
Speaker 6: know what happened during your holiday. But you're not taking
Speaker 6: it out on me. Now, just behave yourself and stop.
Speaker 6: But we're only spiring enough. If you want another partner, fine,
Speaker 6: And he went after my husband a third time. My
Speaker 6: husband is a gentle giant, a sweet little polock who
Speaker 6: was six feet four and three hundred pounds. He means
Speaker 6: to hurt no one. He was in class to help
Speaker 6: him with his weight control. But my husband had already
Speaker 6: been struck twice by Bill Ramsey. So my husband did
Speaker 6: a palm strike, sent Bill Ramsey across the room. Bill
Speaker 6: Ramsey bounced off the wall, picked himself up. Now the
Speaker 6: other adult are looking at this man who's very embarrassed.
Speaker 6: Bill Ramsey's embarrassed because everybody saw this. Bill Ramsey's angry
Speaker 6: because he's now hurt. I am sure my husband hit
Speaker 6: him hard for him to roll across the school. Bill
Speaker 6: Ramsey is looking to the right, looking to the left,
Speaker 6: Bill Ramsey's heading out the door. Turns around before he
Speaker 6: opened the door, before he left, and he said, yelling, everybody,
Speaker 6: from now on, do not call me Bill Ramsey. My
Speaker 6: name is Larry Rohan, got it, Larry Rohn. Don't call
Speaker 6: me Bill Ramsey anymore. I will not answer you, and
Speaker 6: out the door he storms. There is another meeting, There
Speaker 6: is another gathering the next class. Bill comes in. He's quiet,
Speaker 6: he's not saying nothing to anyone. Now that's his normal behavior.
Speaker 6: This body language is like, don't come near me, that
Speaker 6: sort of thing. Well, one of the other adults, not
Speaker 6: my husband, whose mother and father are FBI agents, and
Speaker 6: that's important. So this is the very smart man who
Speaker 6: I later found out is affiliated with the Ocean County
Speaker 6: Prosecutor's office right here in New Jersey. He didn't like
Speaker 6: the name change, so he was poking the bear and
Speaker 6: Bill came in. He said to Bill, Hey, Billy boy, Hey,
Speaker 6: Billy boy, do you know that little girl that was
Speaker 6: founded in her basement? Are you related to that little girl?
Speaker 6: He didn't say John bin Ay, John Benny Ramsey, he
Speaker 6: didn't even say Boulder, Colorado. Just simply, are you related
Speaker 6: to a little girl that was found dead in her basement? Hey, Billy, Well,
Speaker 6: let me tell you what happened. Billy is now shuffling
Speaker 6: to the right, shuffling to the left, looking all over,
Speaker 6: trying to figure out. I'm guessing what he's going to
Speaker 6: do at that moment, and Billy, who always likes to
Speaker 6: exit when he's stuck in a heart spot, turns around
Speaker 6: and bellows out, I don't know no Johnny B. Nobody
Speaker 6: knows Johnny B. And then he stormed out, and I
Speaker 6: was there, and everyone else heard it, and we're all wondering,
Speaker 6: Who's Johnny B. Isn't her name john Ben a Ramsey,
Speaker 6: Doombin a Ramsey, but not Johnny B. And I never
Speaker 6: forgot that. That stuck in my memory.
Speaker 5: When did you read and get confirmation of that, Johnny B.
Speaker 5: When did the light bulb go off to the importance
Speaker 5: of what he had said at that time? Johnny B.
Speaker 5: When did you come to the understanding what that meant?
Speaker 6: Mister Sepanski. That was not until many years later when
Speaker 6: John and Patsy wrote the book Death of Innocence. It
Speaker 6: is in that book that is a term of endearment
Speaker 6: that within their home John and Patsy both addressed their
Speaker 6: precious little girl as Johnny B, a derivative of John Bennett.
Speaker 6: Her father reduced to Johnny B. A pet name, if
Speaker 6: you will. That was many many years later. So how
Speaker 6: come Bill Ramsey in the earliest of stages of the
Speaker 6: murder investigation we're talking less than a month. How is
Speaker 6: it that he knew that that child was addressed by
Speaker 6: her mom and dad as Johnny b when nobody knew
Speaker 6: until the book Death of Innocence by John and Patsy
Speaker 6: many years later, we didn't know. But how did he know?
Speaker 5: How does this fit into your idea that the parents
Speaker 5: were indicted in nineteen ninety nine? I believe, and you
Speaker 5: say that basically there was seven charges, but two of
Speaker 5: the charges from the Boulder Daily Reporter. You say named Charles,
Speaker 5: that the indictments didn't lead to an arrest, but they
Speaker 5: could have, but it was never presented. The charges were
Speaker 5: never presented, So you say, were the charges were? That
Speaker 5: they allowed the child to be in the vicinity of
Speaker 5: someone they knew that was dangerous that likely resulted or
Speaker 5: did result in the murder of John Bennet. Now, now,
Speaker 5: given that information, how does this Secret Senna play into
Speaker 5: your entire idea of what happened and why that night?
Speaker 6: Okay, this is a good time to tell the world
Speaker 6: that the book Secret Santa, My Murderer was given to
Speaker 6: John Benne's Secret Santa My Murderer. All the backup information,
Speaker 6: absolutely every little chrome I could gather that was given
Speaker 6: to by special delivery to the Governor, mister Bill Owens.
Speaker 6: Governor Owens, very good man, honorable man. It was also
Speaker 6: given to just just before the Grand Jury announce their
Speaker 6: decision to Alex Hunter. They both within less than a
Speaker 6: week of the grand jury announcement received information every chrome
Speaker 6: I had on Bill Ramsey's multiple aliases, which are government
Speaker 6: generated documents, and I was hoping that they would at
Speaker 6: least use that information to solicit cooperation from John and Patsy,
Speaker 6: And in fact Bill tried to Governor Owens did try
Speaker 6: to terry I. The Attorney General also has the same information.
Speaker 6: So it's not like I'm giving it to every Tom,
Speaker 6: Dick and Harry. No, I'm giving the information to the
Speaker 6: authorities in hopes that they will pursue it. So then
Speaker 6: here is Alex Hunter, only a few days fresh with
Speaker 6: having this information. He's receiving the decision by the courts
Speaker 6: that the grand Jury wants to indict John and Patsy
Speaker 6: for allowing their child to be in the vicinity of
Speaker 6: someone who they knew in advance was very dangerous, resulting
Speaker 6: in the death of their child. Now, who are they
Speaker 6: talking about in the home Patsy, John Burke. So were
Speaker 6: they talking about nine year old little boy? I don't
Speaker 6: think so. Were they talking about the mother or the father?
Speaker 6: I believe the grand jury somehow, some way, Remember I
Speaker 6: wasn't there, but I believe, somehow, some way, someone introduced
Speaker 6: the information about Bill Ramsey to the grand jury, because
Speaker 6: nothing else makes sense. Alex Hunter did. Is when Alex
Speaker 6: Hunter receives this information written that they want to indict.
Speaker 6: That's when Alex Hunter said, there's not enough information here
Speaker 6: to indict. Was he talking about the decision the grand
Speaker 6: jury made in reference to John Patsy or Burke. No, No,
Speaker 6: he wasn't. He was talking about the information he received
Speaker 6: about Bill Ramsey. That's what he was talking about. And
Speaker 6: when he said we don't have enough information here to indict,
Speaker 6: he was talking about John Patsy for their knowledge about
Speaker 6: Bill Ramsey. That's the whole of it. And most people,
Speaker 6: if they don't have what you have, sir, they don't understand.
Speaker 6: And that's not their fault. Again, the original police who
Speaker 6: came to the home, if they did not know. Somebody
Speaker 6: comes there every Christmas Eve to collect a large sum
Speaker 6: of money and his name is Bill Ramsey aka William
Speaker 6: Lawrence Rowan and all the rest of it. Is it
Speaker 6: the police fault or maybe is it the parents holding
Speaker 6: back information which does not give the authorities the full picture.
Speaker 6: That's my argument, that has always been my argument. Just
Speaker 6: Bill Ramsey's DNA, he's in North Carolina, he's using yet
Speaker 6: another alia. And if you don't want to listen to
Speaker 6: me for any reason whatsoever, look at the government generated
Speaker 6: documents that are in John Biney's secret standt onm my murderer.
Speaker 6: I did not make those up.
Speaker 3: He did.
Speaker 6: So why does this innocent man, if he thinks he's
Speaker 6: innocent and everybody else thinks he's innocent and irrelevant to
Speaker 6: the John Bane murder, why does he keep changing his
Speaker 6: name his appearance? When he returns from Boulder, he immediately
Speaker 6: changed his name yet again. Larry Rone is his new name.
Speaker 6: I have in the book his business card. He is
Speaker 6: a carver of wood. So I'm giving everybody proof of
Speaker 6: his different identifications. I gave them his government generated police
Speaker 6: mugshop in Ocean County, New Jersey for assault and battery.
Speaker 6: That's under his first name, his true name, Bill Ramsey.
Speaker 6: Then you have the business card that he created when
Speaker 6: he returned. Then you have a recent from I believe
Speaker 6: twenty nineteen his North Carolina CDL license under William Lawrence Rohan,
Speaker 6: and now recently, within the last six months, he's using
Speaker 6: a different name altogether by just simply adding a different alphabet,
Speaker 6: Billy roha Inn. So if he's not guilty of something,
Speaker 6: why does he keep changing his name? If he's not
Speaker 6: guilty of something, why did when he return from Boulder
Speaker 6: did he immediately change the color of his originally blackboard
Speaker 6: Ranger pickup truck to the new color of blood red.
Speaker 6: It's a license plate number with JJW two six days
Speaker 6: in diamond. I'll tell you why. Because it wasn't in
Speaker 6: a car accident. He was afraid someone saw that blackboard
Speaker 6: Ranger pickup truck in the vicinity of John Beney's home park,
Speaker 6: somewhere where it didn't belong. They may not remember the truck,
Speaker 6: but by gosh, I believe they will remember it had
Speaker 6: New Jersey license plate. So when the law enforcement rightfully
Speaker 6: say someone brought up a blackboard Ranger pickup truck, New
Speaker 6: Jersey license plate operative color black. But you come to
Speaker 6: New Jersey and the authorities are looking for a blackboard
Speaker 6: ranger pickup truck. They're not going to find it. Why,
Speaker 6: because his new color is read. He jumped from one
Speaker 6: residence to another, staying at each individual's home only for
Speaker 6: a week or two, and then he goes someplace else
Speaker 6: to live, avoiding a paper trail or a place where
Speaker 6: he could be picked up. All of his changes, including
Speaker 6: shaving off his beard and his mustache, so now he
Speaker 6: has a clean shaven face, and pulling his hair back
Speaker 6: so tight that from let's just say two or three
Speaker 6: blocks away from him, you would think he was bald
Speaker 6: because he kept that ponytail so tight in changing yet
Speaker 6: his appearance. In another way, someone who's innocence, someone's not
Speaker 6: trying to hide from the authorities, does not do all
Speaker 6: of these things. And more importantly, prior to this is important,
Speaker 6: prior to ever leaving to go to Boulder to collect
Speaker 6: his one hundred and eighteen thousand dollars. The karate school
Speaker 6: Parkinson Bay Karate School was broken into. Only two things
Speaker 6: were stolen, the wood carving on the wall that Bill
Speaker 6: Ramsey coveted, and only his application to the karate school.
Speaker 6: Because the karate instructor found the drawer was open and
Speaker 6: the firefolder was cocked sideways, so he thumbed through it
Speaker 6: quickly to see what was missing Bill Ramsey, and only
Speaker 6: Bill Ramsey's application before he ever left New Jersey. Do
Speaker 6: you know what that tells me? That tells me he
Speaker 6: had planned b if he didn't collect this one hundred
Speaker 6: and eighteen thousand dollars, and he did not want anything
Speaker 6: that would be able to be compared to the ransom note,
Speaker 6: so he removed his application which had his handwriting sample
Speaker 6: on it. But Bill Ramsey does wood carvings, and I
Speaker 6: did send you a picture of one of his wood
Speaker 6: carvings of a Native American Indian man. Okay, on the
Speaker 6: back of that wood carving, mister Panskey, if you look,
Speaker 6: it's a very short w and it hangs high, it
Speaker 6: ends high, swing high, ill, and it ends with a
Speaker 6: hangman's news. That's what you're saying, mister Pansky. Any artist
Speaker 6: worth their assault, whether they're painting or they're making play
Speaker 6: pottery or what have you, they signed their full name.
Speaker 6: Bill Ramsey can't sign Bill Ramsey, he can't sign and
Speaker 6: will not sign a fake name Larry Rohan or Rohan
Speaker 6: he will not. So what he stuck with is what
Speaker 6: he will sign as in William ending with a hangman's noose.
Speaker 6: He bragged about to him how important that hangman's noise is.
Speaker 6: And John Denney had the rope the white cord wrapped
Speaker 6: around her neck not once but twice and pulled using
Speaker 6: the grant as part of the weapon, pulled with the
Speaker 6: force that would be needed to take down a three
Speaker 6: hundred pound man. In the ransom note, he mentions whoever
Speaker 6: is the author of the ransom note mentions that your
Speaker 6: child will be decapitated if you go against everything that
Speaker 6: we asked you to do. Well, let me say this,
Speaker 6: he nearly did that. He nearly did that to this
Speaker 6: child because of the force that was used.
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Speaker 5: You actually talked about this garrot as well, and also
Speaker 5: what was found in the autopsy, Not to get any
Speaker 5: more graphic than people's imagination already has in this case,
Speaker 5: but there was something that was consistent. People again have
Speaker 5: mentioned it as a broken paint brush handle. But what
Speaker 5: was found forensically, what was found in that autopsy concerning
Speaker 5: a sliver of wood and John Benney.
Speaker 6: Oh my god, that poor child. There was a sliver
Speaker 6: of wood. It was a tan color, as in remember
Speaker 6: the old fashioned school pencils number two that we all
Speaker 6: used as children, and they still use them now. It
Speaker 6: was that color tan and this sliver of wood either
Speaker 6: came from only one of two places. They claimed the
Speaker 6: paint brush handle that is broken at both ends but
Speaker 6: they can't find the pieces, or it came from the
Speaker 6: wooden karate training sword that was used as a weapon
Speaker 6: against John Benet in different ways. In different ways. You're
Speaker 6: mentioning one way that that because it's the same color wood,
Speaker 6: it's the same tan. Unless you've seen it as I
Speaker 6: have seen it, you wouldn't know that. So she may
Speaker 6: have been I don't even know how to do this,
Speaker 6: just as your imagination to figure what he did with
Speaker 6: that sword. That's number one, But number two, that sword
Speaker 6: is the only thing that would have caused an eight
Speaker 6: and one half inch elongated V shaped skull fracture to
Speaker 6: this child's goal. But you have to remember something. She
Speaker 6: was abducted from her bed. That's the first assault against
Speaker 6: the child. She was thumb gunned in order to immobilize her.
Speaker 6: That was the second attack against this child. She was
Speaker 6: sexually assaulted. And by the way, the multiple medical examiner's
Speaker 6: corners have determined, according to Detective blue Smith, that these
Speaker 6: attacks against her in her vagina wall were over a
Speaker 6: period of time because of the age of the different
Speaker 6: scarring that they could see. So I am taking this
Speaker 6: moment to say, every time this man, Bill Ramsey went
Speaker 6: to collect his funds for that year's inheritance, is it
Speaker 6: a far stretch to think that that is not all
Speaker 6: he did to this child? Is it a far stretch not?
Speaker 6: According to the metal examiner, there is old scarring from
Speaker 6: different periods of time in the vagina wall of this child,
Speaker 6: but that was not all. The abduction, the sun gun,
Speaker 6: the sexual assaults, the ligature. Now she's dead. Please, this
Speaker 6: is the confusing moment for everybody. But I will tell
Speaker 6: you after the ligature there is no blood flow in
Speaker 6: her brain, in her skull area, in her head area.
Speaker 6: She is dead. Do you think that was enough for
Speaker 6: this sadistic man. No, because he cracked her over the
Speaker 6: skull And the only thing that would cause that kind
Speaker 6: of v shape eight and one half inchlongated skull fractor
Speaker 6: is the karate wooden training sort, especially if it's only
Speaker 6: twenty to twenty two inches long and it's triangular in
Speaker 6: its shape. I tell you this, I can't begin to
Speaker 6: tell you how a nauseous I was when they said
Speaker 6: that it was a mad flashlight, or a brick, or
Speaker 6: worse yet, the wrong side of a baseball bat. Those
Speaker 6: are the three things they came up with. None of
Speaker 6: them fit the type of damage that was done to
Speaker 6: that child's skull by a karate wooden training sword. John
Speaker 6: Douglas Criminal Profiles said, whoever did this, as far as
Speaker 6: just breaking the ends off what they perceived to be
Speaker 6: a paint brush handle, was extremely strong because it's a short,
Speaker 6: not a very long paint brush handle, short for canvas work.
Speaker 6: And he said that person had to be very strong
Speaker 6: in their wrist, in their wrist, and in their hands.
Speaker 6: Bill Ramsey is a carver of ornate wood. The wood
Speaker 6: is half of a log. It might be anywhere from
Speaker 6: from a foot to a foot and a half to
Speaker 6: three feet tall, but literally half of a log. And
Speaker 6: he carves the most beautiful carvings of Native American Indian men,
Speaker 6: native American warriors, the medicine man, never women, never children.
Speaker 6: I got my hands on one of those carvings. That
Speaker 6: one was seven hundred dollars in the back. If you
Speaker 6: look at the will with the hangman's nows and that
Speaker 6: W and that I and those ls are all through
Speaker 6: that ransom note, especially on the last two pages where
Speaker 6: he's not so careful.
Speaker 5: Extraordinary. You also talk about the ransom note, very very
Speaker 5: interesting that one letter in particular, someone that you got
Speaker 5: to look at this handwriting expert per se what was
Speaker 5: so unusual about the one letter in that ransom note.
Speaker 6: That's brilliant on your part, Absolutely brilliant. There is a
Speaker 6: letter P like people or public, and it has a
Speaker 6: slash across it on an angle where you're going to
Speaker 6: see that again. Somewhere else is there's an old VHS tape.
Speaker 6: The seven deadly Sins. On the jacket of that VHS
Speaker 6: tape are listed the seven deadly sins, and there is
Speaker 6: a slash on the middle letter of each of the sins.
Speaker 6: John Douglas said, whoever does this watches movies all the time,
Speaker 6: has a lot of free time on their hands, takes
Speaker 6: some verbiage from the different movies John Wayne, et cetera,
Speaker 6: and puts it into the ransom note, incorporates it into
Speaker 6: the ransom note. So when I took a copy of
Speaker 6: Bill Ramsey application to the karate school and a two
Speaker 6: and a half page ransom note. A copy of it.
Speaker 6: I took it to forensic criminologists. The cream of the
Speaker 6: crop that we have here in Ocean County worked for
Speaker 6: the State Police Department. And I was catching him, by
Speaker 6: the grace of God, as he's coming out of the building.
Speaker 6: I'm going into building. I reported to him that a
Speaker 6: dead rat was found at my front door. But I
Speaker 6: would like him to look at something, and I showed
Speaker 6: him the two documents, the ransom note I showed. I
Speaker 6: didn't know about that pee, by the way, up until
Speaker 6: this moment. I showed him Bill Ramsey's Parkinson Bay Karate
Speaker 6: School application, the one that disappeared, but everybody forgets there
Speaker 6: were two of them. And he looked at it, and
Speaker 6: it didn't take him very long whatsoever, because he pulled
Speaker 6: out a magnifying glass that he always seems to keep
Speaker 6: in his pocket. He pulled it out. He looked at
Speaker 6: both documents, and here's his exact words. There is a
Speaker 6: letter P with a slash across it from top right
Speaker 6: down to bottom left that is in both documents. That
Speaker 6: tells me that the author of the ransom note and
Speaker 6: the author of the application to the karate school is
Speaker 6: one in the same person. Because I have never in
Speaker 6: my very long career seeing that ever before, and now
Speaker 6: I am looking at two different documents with that very
Speaker 6: same unusual letter P and they both have that slash
Speaker 6: across it. Why. Because one of the deadly sins that
Speaker 6: has that slash across it in the peak is the
Speaker 6: sin of pride. There is no cure for the sin
Speaker 6: of pride. Pride is why John Binney died, besides the
Speaker 6: fact that he didn't receive his money. Pride and jealousy
Speaker 6: because all the other his own words, all the other
Speaker 6: siblings get voted over, but not Bill. Not Bill. Here's
Speaker 6: your money once a year, stay away for another year.
Speaker 6: That's where his anger came from. But not receiving it.
Speaker 6: Somebody had to pay for him not coming back with
Speaker 6: that one hundred and eighteen thousand dollars. Yes, John Biney
Speaker 6: paid the bill.
Speaker 5: Let's discuss some of your efforts that haven't brought you
Speaker 5: the results that you wanted, obviously, but you talk about
Speaker 5: the American Investigative Society of Cold Cases and Kenneth Mainz
Speaker 5: and that you were invited and people like Henry Lee
Speaker 5: that had similar conclusions to you work as a forensic pathologist.
Speaker 5: Tell us about this American Investigation Investigative Society of Cold
Speaker 5: Cases and your meeting there.
Speaker 6: Oh, absolutely, First of all, it should be a place
Speaker 6: of honor to be mentioned about Detective Kenneth Mains. Detective
Speaker 6: Kenneth Mains is the president and the founder of American
Speaker 6: Investigative Society of Cold Cases. He had a case it
Speaker 6: troubled him. He could not come to a satisfactory conclusion,
Speaker 6: which was justice for the victim. He had no problem
Speaker 6: sharing that information with another detective and they swapped cases,
Speaker 6: so that is a fresh pair of eyes on each
Speaker 6: their own case, but by another detective. That was brilliant.
Speaker 6: You don't normally see that in homicide cases because it
Speaker 6: worked so well that both cases had a successful resolution.
Speaker 6: What happened next is this brilliant man, Detective Kenneth Mains,
Speaker 6: he organized American Investigative Society of Cold Cases. But that
Speaker 6: is now now around the world. Homicide experts, forensic experts,
Speaker 6: they are now for the first time under the wing
Speaker 6: of this courageous, very intelligent, caring man. They're coming together
Speaker 6: and they're sharing information, they're cooperating in homicide cases. Who
Speaker 6: can see that one missing puzzle that I might not
Speaker 6: have been able to see. I don't have an eagle issue.
Speaker 6: I have a desire to fight for the family of
Speaker 6: the victims and their loved ones so everyone could rest
Speaker 6: in peace. Those who have taken from us wrongly rest
Speaker 6: in peace, but they're families who are aching foreclosure. Look
Speaker 6: for this man, easy, pull his CDL in North Carolina.
Speaker 6: You will see what he looks like these days, and
Speaker 6: then do a ping in reference to his phone number
Speaker 6: and his general contractor's phone number collective DNA. It will
Speaker 6: match or it will not match. It's really that simple.
Speaker 6: But to do nothing about the least of what is
Speaker 6: left to be done, there is no logical explanation for that.
Speaker 5: I want to thank you very much Melinda Cooler for
Speaker 5: coming on and talking about your book Secret Senna, My Murderer,
Speaker 5: The True John Bennet completed puzzle for those that might
Speaker 5: want to take a look at for more information about
Speaker 5: this case and this book. Do you have a website
Speaker 5: and do you do any social media? Yes?
Speaker 6: The website is John Bennet's Truecasehistory dot net and I
Speaker 6: am constantly on different podcasts based on requests from people
Speaker 6: around the world.
Speaker 5: Then you have the Facebook page as well.
Speaker 6: Yes it's m l I n d A dot k
Speaker 6: U l A.
Speaker 5: I want to thank you so much, Melinda Coola, Secret Sanna,
Speaker 5: my Murderer, the True John Benet completed puzzle. Thank you
Speaker 5: so much for this interview, and you have a great evening,
Speaker 5: and good night
Speaker 6: Good night, and thank you, thank you.