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<v Speaker 1>This episode ma contain content of a graphic nature, including

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<v Speaker 1>descriptions of physical and sexual violence against adults, children, and animals.

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<v Speaker 1>Listener discretion is advised. Hi, this is Tanya.

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<v Speaker 2>Hi, this is Shannon, and we are Crimes.

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<v Speaker 1>And Consequences, a hardcore true crime podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey Shannon, Hey Tanya, how are you?

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<v Speaker 1>I am doing good today. It's a for Friday.

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<v Speaker 2>It is Friday, and it's so nice out little chili.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, the weather report at the beginning of every

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<v Speaker 2>episode that we have, because we do speak weather quite

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<v Speaker 2>a bit, it affects my.

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<v Speaker 1>Moods, yes, exactly. It affects my moods. Like at the

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<v Speaker 1>beginning of the week, I was so depressed and it's

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<v Speaker 1>because of this weather. I'm telling you, I can't wait

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<v Speaker 1>for a spring because like, okay, I'm deeply wallowing in

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<v Speaker 1>my seasonal depression. And we had beautiful weather on Wednesday

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<v Speaker 1>where it was like seventy degrees and that just gives

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<v Speaker 1>me a little hope and it kind of digs me

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<v Speaker 1>out of that hole. And here we are and hopefully

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<v Speaker 1>it will be here soon. So yeah, I'm doing good.

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<v Speaker 1>Though otherwise, you know, the weekend's coming. It's always a

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<v Speaker 1>good time. When it's the weekend, don't have to worry

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<v Speaker 1>about work or get up early and whatever. Spend the

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<v Speaker 1>time with you now.

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<v Speaker 2>So exactly a Friday afternoon with the gales, and I

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<v Speaker 2>do know what you mean about the Wednesday good weather.

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<v Speaker 2>I was all sensitive to the well, like it's sunny,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm like, I am going to work out, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>going on a brisk walk. I'm going to do that.

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<v Speaker 2>And then it's seven o'clock at night and I've done

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<v Speaker 2>nothing by it changes because the weather's nice. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>there truly isn't enough hours in the day. No, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>you gotta get shit done, and then you want to

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<v Speaker 2>have time to do what you want to do. And

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<v Speaker 2>that's curtail to about twenty minutes.

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<v Speaker 1>But so I have a good story today. It's an

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<v Speaker 1>older one. I do like the older ones. I find

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<v Speaker 1>them really interesting. It's from the thirties, so it's almost

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred years ago. But before I get into it,

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<v Speaker 1>I just would like to remind everyone to hit the

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<v Speaker 1>subscribe or follow button on whatever app you're listening to.

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<v Speaker 1>So I am just going to get into it. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>gonna tell you a story about William Herbert Wallace. He

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<v Speaker 1>was the oldest of three siblings and he was born

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<v Speaker 1>in eighteen seventy eight. William's family was quite well off

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<v Speaker 1>and he had an enjoyable childhood. William was a very

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<v Speaker 1>smart boy as well, and he actually jumped ahead in

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<v Speaker 1>school when he was five years old. By the young

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<v Speaker 1>age of fourteen, William began working to earn an apprenticeship

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<v Speaker 1>as a draper or someone who sold clothing. This job

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<v Speaker 1>allowed William to see the world. He even lived in

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<v Speaker 1>India and China for a few years while he was

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<v Speaker 1>in his twenties. His world travels came to an end

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<v Speaker 1>and brought him back to England after he was having

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<v Speaker 1>health issues regarding his kidneys. In nineteen oh six, William

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<v Speaker 1>resigned from his job, moved back to England and had

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<v Speaker 1>his left kidney removed. This really put William's life on

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<v Speaker 1>hold for a few years, and it wasn't until nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>eleven that William started working again for the Liberal Party

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<v Speaker 1>as an election agent. This new job brought William to

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<v Speaker 1>Yorkshire and he was really suffering with loss, heartbreak and

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<v Speaker 1>just overall sadness from the troubles and obstacles he was

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<v Speaker 1>encountering in his life. But in nineteen eleven. William was

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<v Speaker 1>also lucky enough to meet a woman and fall in love.

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<v Speaker 1>Julia Dennis was born in eighteen sixty one to loving

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<v Speaker 1>parents and in William George Dennis. Julia was the second

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<v Speaker 1>oldest of six siblings, and in eighteen seventy one, while

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<v Speaker 1>giving birth to the seventh Dnnist child, her mother passed away.

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<v Speaker 1>Up until this point, the Dunnist's own and ran a

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<v Speaker 1>very successful farm in the area where they lived, but

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<v Speaker 1>William George had to give up the family farm after

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<v Speaker 1>the death of his wife. During this time, William George

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<v Speaker 1>really leaned into his drinking habit and was becoming a

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<v Speaker 1>full blown alcoholic.

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<v Speaker 2>And I got you said, he really leaned, and he

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<v Speaker 2>really leaned into it nice. I love it.

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<v Speaker 1>In eighteen seventy three, William George became the innkeeper at

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<v Speaker 1>a place called the Railway, in which, unbeknownst to him,

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<v Speaker 1>would be the last job he would ever have. By

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen seventy five, William George died of liver disease. Surprise, surprise, right,

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<v Speaker 1>And Julia, who is now just a teenager in eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>seventy five and one of the oldest of her siblings,

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<v Speaker 1>she got a job working as an assistant governess at

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<v Speaker 1>the kens Wwick House Ladies School in London. As a governess,

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<v Speaker 1>she was someone who provided education and child care to families.

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<v Speaker 1>The Kenswick House was also home to Robert and Charlotte Smith,

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<v Speaker 1>who were husband and wife. Charlotte was the governess of

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<v Speaker 1>the household, and together Julia and Charlotte took care of

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<v Speaker 1>and taught the Smith's three children, maud Matilda and Rose

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<v Speaker 1>like what great name for you? Yes, and three other

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<v Speaker 1>kids who were boarders in the home. So essentially they

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<v Speaker 1>had a little boarding school situation going on, and Charlotte

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<v Speaker 1>was the head governess and Julia got hired as her

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<v Speaker 1>assistant to help with the children. And being a governess

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<v Speaker 1>was a common job during that time period, and even

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<v Speaker 1>Julia's two biological younger sisters worked as governesses and other homes.

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<v Speaker 1>After spending nearly a decade at the Kenswick House Ladies' School,

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<v Speaker 1>Julia left London and moved to Yorkshire and was a

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<v Speaker 1>governess at another home called Elmhouse. At Elmhouse, she worked

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<v Speaker 1>for a family who also had the same last name

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<v Speaker 1>of Smith, Robert John and Sophia Smith and their children Sarah, Sophia,

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<v Speaker 1>Claude and Robert. Julia worked for the Smith family at

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<v Speaker 1>Elmhouse for many years until seemingly leaving governessing altogether and

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<v Speaker 1>moving back to London into her own flat for a

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<v Speaker 1>few years before again going back to Yorkshire. In Yorkshire,

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<v Speaker 1>Julia's sister Annie would stay with her for a few years,

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<v Speaker 1>and Julia would actually become the landlord of one of

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<v Speaker 1>the buildings that she lived. Now here's where things get fishy, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so give you us a little bit of background. In

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen eleven a census was taken and on one of

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<v Speaker 1>the documents taken the name Miss Dennis is listed and

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<v Speaker 1>on the other Jane Dennis is listed. Both documents have

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<v Speaker 1>the same listed address, but the birthdates are different. The

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<v Speaker 1>birthday listed for Miss Dennis is the actual birthday of

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<v Speaker 1>Julia Dennis, which was April twenty eighth, eighteen sixty one.

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<v Speaker 1>And for those of us who are not good at math,

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<v Speaker 1>in nineteen eleven, Julia would have been fifty years old.

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<v Speaker 1>The census with Jane Dennis listed and said that Julia

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<v Speaker 1>was only thirty two years old. Either way, Julia had

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<v Speaker 1>really come into herself by nineteen eleven, and she possessed

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<v Speaker 1>many talents and hobbies, especially in the arts. Julia could

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<v Speaker 1>speak fluent French. She did watercolor paintings and also was

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<v Speaker 1>a talented singer and pianist. It was said that her

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<v Speaker 1>home was just filled with the most beautiful watercolor paintings

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<v Speaker 1>that she had done herself. Some described Julia as shy

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<v Speaker 1>and timid, while others saw her as extremely prideful and

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<v Speaker 1>honestly kind of weird. So in nineteen eleven, Julia owned

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<v Speaker 1>the flat that she lived in and life seemed pretty good.

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<v Speaker 1>William and Julia, remember I told you about William earlier.

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<v Speaker 1>They lived just two blocks from each other, so they

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<v Speaker 1>were bound across paths eventually, and when they did, their

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<v Speaker 1>relationship quickly flourished. William spoke about Julia as if she

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<v Speaker 1>truly made him a better man. The pair had tons

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<v Speaker 1>of things in common, including a love for music, the

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<v Speaker 1>English countryside, in literature. During their time dating, William's mother

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<v Speaker 1>passed away, and there's no doubt that William leaned on

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<v Speaker 1>Julia during that difficult time. The couple got married in

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen fourteen, and together William and Julia loved to host

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<v Speaker 1>friends over and the night with music in their parlor,

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<v Speaker 1>as William was a novice violinist and Julia could sing

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<v Speaker 1>and play piano. Seemingly, the only thing the couple didn't

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<v Speaker 1>do together was go to church, because William was the

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<v Speaker 1>more agnostic, where Julia was active in their local church

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<v Speaker 1>and she didn't mind going to services alone. Now we

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<v Speaker 1>know that Julia was significantly older than William, and she

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<v Speaker 1>was lying to him about it. William, who was born

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<v Speaker 1>in eighteen seventy eight, was only thirty five years old

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<v Speaker 1>in nineteen thirteen, and Julia would have been fifty two.

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<v Speaker 1>Another strange thing Julia did was that on their marriage

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<v Speaker 1>license she listed that her father was a veterinary surgeon,

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<v Speaker 1>when we know for a fact that he was a

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<v Speaker 1>farmer and a drunk who died. Like a weird thing to.

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<v Speaker 2>Lie about, but the less, you know, some embellishments here

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<v Speaker 2>right right?

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<v Speaker 1>You know it sounded sexy. I guess William's sister Jesse

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<v Speaker 1>and the couple's neighbor j s Allenson signed the marriage

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<v Speaker 1>license as witnesses. Since meeting Julia, William had continued to

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<v Speaker 1>work for the Liberal Party as an election agent, but

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<v Speaker 1>in nineteen fourteen, the entire world changed forever. With the

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<v Speaker 1>start of World War One, William tried and failed six

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<v Speaker 1>plus times to fight in the war, but due to

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<v Speaker 1>his single kidney, he was never going to qualify to fight.

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<v Speaker 1>It's clear that this fact took a toll on him

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<v Speaker 1>as he continued to try and join the armed forces.

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<v Speaker 1>Finally accepting his fate, William settled on taking an insurance

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<v Speaker 1>agent job in Liverpool. William and Julia moved to the

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<v Speaker 1>place they would call home, which was located in an

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<v Speaker 1>area of Liverpool called Clubmore. Clubmore was considered to be

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<v Speaker 1>a relatively poor neighborhood. Being an insurance agent was not

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<v Speaker 1>what William wanted his career to be. He had a

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<v Speaker 1>passion for the sciences and had a dream of one

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<v Speaker 1>day making a scientific discovery that would change mankind forever,

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<v Speaker 1>so much so that he turned one of the upstairs

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<v Speaker 1>bedrooms in their home into a laboratory. Also on the side,

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<v Speaker 1>William earned an education from the Liverpool Technical College and

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<v Speaker 1>started lecturing there about electricity and chemistry. In nineteen twenty two,

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<v Speaker 1>William and his friend neighbor James started a chess club,

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<v Speaker 1>and that was something William was passionate about as well.

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<v Speaker 1>For fifteen years, William and Julia really just settled into

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<v Speaker 1>what was seemingly a normal life for a couple in

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<v Speaker 1>the nineteen hundreds. Julia went to church, William went to chess,

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<v Speaker 1>and they of course continued to have their parties that

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<v Speaker 1>ended in music. Neighbors of the Wallaces stated that they

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<v Speaker 1>really were a devoted couple, and after nearly two decades

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<v Speaker 1>of living by them, they had never heard as much

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<v Speaker 1>as a verbal disagreement between the two. Both Julia and

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<v Speaker 1>William were very drawn to intellectual pursuits rather than social pursuits.

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<v Speaker 1>Once they were married, their social lives dwindled, and the

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<v Speaker 1>couple spent most of their time with William's brother, his wife,

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<v Speaker 1>and their son. Julia would sometimes stay after church for

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<v Speaker 1>a cup of tea, but was often eager to get

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<v Speaker 1>home to her husband. Some of the women in their

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<v Speaker 1>congregation believed that William had Julia under lock and key,

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<v Speaker 1>while others just believed that this was the life that

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<v Speaker 1>they both chose to live and they were content with it.

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<v Speaker 1>It was obvious that amongst all the hobbies and interests,

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<v Speaker 1>chess was the one that William enjoyed the most. In

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen thirty one, William was part of a chess club

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<v Speaker 1>dubbed the Liverpool Central Chess Club. Even though it seemed

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<v Speaker 1>that William loved chess a lot, he was reportedly really

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<v Speaker 1>bad at it, but still this was a community he

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<v Speaker 1>was part of and he knew the other local chess

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<v Speaker 1>players for nearly a decade. At this point, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know how to play chess, do you?

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<v Speaker 2>I do. I'm not good at it either. I've been

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<v Speaker 2>known to flip a board in anchor.

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<v Speaker 1>I won't give you DT.

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<v Speaker 2>Then yes, he went someone who has much better strategy.

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<v Speaker 2>You look at the board and people know how to

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<v Speaker 2>do ten moves ahead. We've heard that expression, oh you

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<v Speaker 2>know there are so many moves ahead. I am more

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<v Speaker 2>of a play it by ear now, so I don't.

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<v Speaker 1>The Liverpool Central Chess Club met on Mondays and Thursdays

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<v Speaker 1>every week, even during the harsh winter months. While William

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<v Speaker 1>was passionate and dedicated to the chess club, he really

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<v Speaker 1>only attended one meeting a week to play a match

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<v Speaker 1>or cell. William was a hard and dedicated worker, so

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<v Speaker 1>he didn't have as much free time from his insurance ventures. However,

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<v Speaker 1>every other Monday he ensured he would be able to

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<v Speaker 1>play chess. Monday, January nineteenth, nineteen thirty one was one

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<v Speaker 1>of those Mondays that William planned to enjoy himself rather

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<v Speaker 1>than work. William was actually hesitant to go to the

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<v Speaker 1>and their pet cat, whose name was Puss, had accidentally

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<v Speaker 1>gotten out and was yet to come home, but Julie

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<v Speaker 1>insisted that he go. Around seven forty five that evening,

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<v Speaker 1>William showed up to the chess club and club director

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<v Speaker 1>Samuel Betty had a message for him. Just about thirty

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<v Speaker 1>minutes before his arrival, someone by the name of R. M.

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<v Speaker 1>Waltrow called the cafe where the club was hosted and

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<v Speaker 1>asked to speak to William. Since William had not yet arrived,

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<v Speaker 1>Samuel took the call and a message for him. The

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<v Speaker 1>he wasn't yet at the chess club, but Samuel refused

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<v Speaker 1>to give him this information and agreed to take the message.

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<v Speaker 1>The mysterious caller asked Samuel to tell William to meet

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<v Speaker 1>him the following evening at seven thirty pm at twenty

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<v Speaker 1>five Men Love Gardens East to discuss business regarding his

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<v Speaker 1>daughter turning twenty one. When Samuel relayed this message to William,

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<v Speaker 1>no one was able to figure figure out who this

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<v Speaker 1>rm Qualtro was. Samuel and William actually asked around the

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<v Speaker 1>club if anybody knew who this guy was or if

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<v Speaker 1>they knew about the address he wanted to meet at,

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<v Speaker 1>and no one did. Other players had heard of Men

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<v Speaker 1>Love Gardens North, South and West and Men Love Avenue West,

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<v Speaker 1>but not Men Love Gardens East. Several players offered suggestions

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<v Speaker 1>of how William might get there the next evening. Oddly enough,

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<v Speaker 1>that same night, another man asked Samuel for William's address.

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<v Speaker 1>So at the Liverpool Central Chess Club, if you arrived

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<v Speaker 1>later than seven thirty pm, you basically threw the match

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<v Speaker 1>and automatically lost. William was late. He arrived at seven

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<v Speaker 1>forty five, so the match he was scheduled to play

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<v Speaker 1>he didn't end up playing this other guy. James cared

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<v Speaker 1>realized that William didn't have anyone to play at the

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<v Speaker 1>moment and offered to play William, but he refused this

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<v Speaker 1>game because James was in a higher playing class and

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<v Speaker 1>he probably knew what's gonna lose. Yes. After William refre

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<v Speaker 1>refused James, James walked over to the check and table

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<v Speaker 1>and asked Samuel for William's address. During James's conversation with Samuel,

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<v Speaker 1>William found another guy to play a match against and

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<v Speaker 1>settled into that. Samuel refused to give James the address

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<v Speaker 1>and just directed him to go talk to William himself.

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<v Speaker 1>Was this a really weird coincidence or is James cared

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<v Speaker 1>ur M Barni Paltrow? Is he just being shitty?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes?

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<v Speaker 1>No, right right. William played a successful game against his

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<v Speaker 1>new opponent, winning and left the club around ten to

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<v Speaker 1>fifteen pm that night. He was seen leaving the club

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<v Speaker 1>with none other than James Cared. During the conversation, James

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<v Speaker 1>told William that he knew a man by the name

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<v Speaker 1>of Qualtrow. Not only that, but James had recommended for

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<v Speaker 1>William about the best way to get to men Love

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<v Speaker 1>Garden East to meet this mysterious R. M.

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<v Speaker 2>Qualtrow.

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<v Speaker 1>The pair walked for a bit together before going their

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<v Speaker 1>separate ways to their respective homes. William arrived home around

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<v Speaker 1>eleven pm that night and Juliet had dine waiting for him.

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<v Speaker 1>This was not unusual for Julia and William to have

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<v Speaker 1>dinner so late. This was actually their normal practice, and

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<v Speaker 1>they went to bed around midnight. After good night's sleep,

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<v Speaker 1>William was off again by ten thirty am to start

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<v Speaker 1>his day of insurance collection rounds. After making rounds for

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<v Speaker 1>about two hours, he stopped at home for lunch and

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<v Speaker 1>then headed back out again to continue working. When he

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<v Speaker 1>returned home, she had dinner ready, and the couple eight

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<v Speaker 1>together and discussed the strange message and meeting invitation that

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<v Speaker 1>William had received the night before. Again, William was hesitant

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<v Speaker 1>to go to the meeting, but he claimed that Julia

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<v Speaker 1>convinced him to go. After all, commission is commission, and

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<v Speaker 1>both Julia and William were considered hard dedicated workers. William

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<v Speaker 1>left again that day, this time around six forty five pm,

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<v Speaker 1>and he decided to take the tram instead of walking

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<v Speaker 1>to meet R. M. Qualtrow. Because he wasn't completely sure

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<v Speaker 1>of what the meeting place was, William decided to head

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<v Speaker 1>to the area where Menlove Avenue West was and try

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<v Speaker 1>to find his way from there. To get to mend Avenue,

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<v Speaker 1>he had to take three different trams. William was relying

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<v Speaker 1>on the conductor of the trams to help get him

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<v Speaker 1>to his final destination. On the second tram, the conductor

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<v Speaker 1>told him where to get off to change trams, and

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<v Speaker 1>on the third tram, the conductor explained to William the

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<v Speaker 1>layout of the men Love Garden's neighborhood and where he

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<v Speaker 1>would most likely find his destination. But seriously, these directions

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<v Speaker 1>didn't help him at all. He walked in circles around

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<v Speaker 1>the neighborhood and stopped a few different people on the

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<v Speaker 1>street to ask them for directions. He even went and

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<v Speaker 1>knocked on the door of the house at twenty five

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<v Speaker 1>men Love Gardens West to see if the address was

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<v Speaker 1>written down incorrectly, like maybe he was supposed to go there. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but he hit a dead end, and he hit dead

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<v Speaker 1>end after dead end. When William was finally close to

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<v Speaker 1>giving up, he ran into a police officer on the

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<v Speaker 1>street and asked him where he could find the address.

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<v Speaker 1>The officer informed him that there was no such place

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<v Speaker 1>as at men Love Gardens East. This officer gave him

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<v Speaker 1>yet another suggestion of a place to try, and that

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<v Speaker 1>if William went to the post office or a police station,

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<v Speaker 1>he may be able to find a map to help

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<v Speaker 1>him out. William followed the officer's advice and went to

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<v Speaker 1>a nearby post office, but they did not have a

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<v Speaker 1>street directory, and suggested that he try the newspaper shop

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<v Speaker 1>as they might have one. I mean, this poor guy's

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<v Speaker 1>going he really wants his permission?

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<v Speaker 2>Does?

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<v Speaker 1>When William arrived at the newspaper shop just before nine pm,

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<v Speaker 1>he got lucky because they did in fact have a

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<v Speaker 1>street directory. William and the store clark cuddled over the map,

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<v Speaker 1>and William asked her for help finding the address, but

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<v Speaker 1>again they had no luck. Defeated in just cranky at

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<v Speaker 1>this point in time, William gave up on a search

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<v Speaker 1>and decided to head back home. He rode basically the

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<v Speaker 1>same three trams on his route home, but this time

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<v Speaker 1>no witnesses remember seeing him. So what was Julia doing

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<v Speaker 1>all day while William was working? On January twentieth, nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>thirty one, she had a pretty laid back day. It's

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<v Speaker 1>unsure what she spent her morning doing, but around three

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<v Speaker 1>point thirty pm that day, her sister in law, Amy

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<v Speaker 1>came by for a visit. Amy reported that Julia told

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<v Speaker 1>her about William's business meeting that was scheduled for later

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<v Speaker 1>that night. The duo also discussed how there had been

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<v Speaker 1>a surge of break ins in the area. While Amy

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<v Speaker 1>was visiting, the baker's son stopped by to deliver Julia

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<v Speaker 1>her brad. The son actually asked Julia how she was doing,

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<v Speaker 1>because he said that she looked really sick and not

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<v Speaker 1>like herself. Around four thirty PM, Amy left, and as

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<v Speaker 1>she was leaving, the window cleaner was arriving to clean

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<v Speaker 1>Julia and William's home windows. The window cleaner was arriving

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<v Speaker 1>to clean Julia and William's home windows that night, around

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<v Speaker 1>six thirty Julia had another visitor. This time it was

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<v Speaker 1>the milkman's son to deliver the weekly milk. The son

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<v Speaker 1>knocked at the door and then left the milk on

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<v Speaker 1>the step and moved on to the next home. By

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<v Speaker 1>the time he was at the next door, Julia came out,

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<v Speaker 1>gave the son too empty curtains, and instructed him to

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<v Speaker 1>hurry home because it was cold outside. In between these

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<v Speaker 1>visits and various chores, we know that Julia made William

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<v Speaker 1>lunch and dinner and ate those meals with him. When

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<v Speaker 1>William arrived home at around ten forty. That evening, he

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<v Speaker 1>tried his front door key, but the door wouldn't open.

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<v Speaker 1>The house Julia and William lived in also hit a

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<v Speaker 1>door in the back that they typically used, but at

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<v Speaker 1>night it was most common for them to use the

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<v Speaker 1>front door to be able to keep their home more secure.

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<v Speaker 1>William lightly knocked in the front door before making his

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<v Speaker 1>way to the back. The back door was also locked,

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<v Speaker 1>which he expected, and he knocked lightly again, which was

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<v Speaker 1>heard by the neighbors. Julia wasn't opening the door, so

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<v Speaker 1>William went around to the front again. He was knocking

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<v Speaker 1>and knocking again, now with some level of worry building

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<v Speaker 1>inside him, He decided again that he was going to

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<v Speaker 1>check the back door, and this time on his way

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<v Speaker 1>around the house, he ran into two other neighbors, John

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<v Speaker 1>and Florence Johnson. William immediately asked the couple if they

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<v Speaker 1>had heard anything unusual happening that night. William told John

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<v Speaker 1>and Florence that he was unable to get into his

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<v Speaker 1>home and was getting worried about his wife since she

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<v Speaker 1>was home sick. William tried again with his neighbors at

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<v Speaker 1>his side, and the door thankfully opened. Suggested that he

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<v Speaker 1>and Florence stay on the porch while William took a

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<v Speaker 1>look inside to make sure everything was okay. The first

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<v Speaker 1>place William checked was the upstairs middle bedroom, where he

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<v Speaker 1>and Julia slept, thinking maybe she went to betterly since

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<v Speaker 1>she was sick. When she wasn't in there, he went

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<v Speaker 1>back downstairs to check the parlor. Upon lighting the match

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<v Speaker 1>and opening the door slightly, William saw his wife Julia

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<v Speaker 1>laying face down on the floor in a pool of

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<v Speaker 1>her own blood. Come and see she's been killed, William

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<v Speaker 1>shouted to John and Florence as he ran back to

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<v Speaker 1>the doorway where they were standing in complete disbelief and shock.

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<v Speaker 1>John followed William back into the home and into the parlor.

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<v Speaker 1>At first glance, no furniture had been moved, but the

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<v Speaker 1>closer John looked, the more horrors he saw. Blood had

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<v Speaker 1>been sprayed over seven feet high onto the walls and ceilings.

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<v Speaker 1>Many of Julia's paintings were covered in her blood. Julia

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<v Speaker 1>had a very large wound on the back of her head,

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<v Speaker 1>which seemed to be oozing brain and skull matter. Along

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<v Speaker 1>with the pool of blood Julia was laying in, there

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<v Speaker 1>were two other large pools of blood near the fireplace.

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<v Speaker 1>Florence was the only one to approach the body to

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<v Speaker 1>ensure that Julia was dead. Of course, she's the brave one,

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<v Speaker 1>right right. William noticed that one of the cabinets in

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<v Speaker 1>the kitchen had been ripped off, and all of William's

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<v Speaker 1>insurance collections from that day had been stolen. All that

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<v Speaker 1>was left was a single dollar bill and some stamps,

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<v Speaker 1>and with that John ran out of the house to

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<v Speaker 1>find the nearest doctor while Florence and William waded in

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<v Speaker 1>the kitchen. I'll tell you a little bit about John,

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<v Speaker 1>Florence and their family. They lived next door to the wallaces,

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<v Speaker 1>and the way the houses were set up, they would

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<v Speaker 1>have basically shared a wall with each other, so I'm

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<v Speaker 1>thinking it's like a row of homes. Right at the

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<v Speaker 1>home with John and Florence was their daughter Nora. Nora

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<v Speaker 1>was engaged to a man named Francis, and he was

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<v Speaker 1>frequently over their house to visit Nora. On the night

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<v Speaker 1>of January twentieth, Francis was at the Johnson household. Also

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<v Speaker 1>when the house was another son, Russell and his wife Sarah.

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<v Speaker 1>When Russell heard what was going on and that his

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<v Speaker 1>parents were at the way else's house. He went over

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<v Speaker 1>there right away. He found his mother and William in

422
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<v Speaker 1>the kitchen, and William was actually cutting up meat for

423
00:23:06.400 --> 00:23:10.039
<v Speaker 1>Julia's cat, who had returned home at some point that day.

424
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<v Speaker 1>Russell found that site pretty unsettling, considering his wife was

425
00:23:13.839 --> 00:23:16.559
<v Speaker 1>in the other room dead. It was just kind of yeah, right, like.

426
00:23:17.480 --> 00:23:22.599
<v Speaker 2>Yes now, and I'm cutting meat. Yeah, her brain matter

427
00:23:22.759 --> 00:23:24.400
<v Speaker 2>is oozing out just right.

428
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<v Speaker 1>Like what the hell?

429
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<v Speaker 2>Oh your audience read.

430
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<v Speaker 1>The room, dude, thank you. At this point, John is

431
00:23:32.160 --> 00:23:35.079
<v Speaker 1>still gone to get a doctor and police to bring

432
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<v Speaker 1>to the Wallace's house, and Florence and William are still waiting.

433
00:23:38.440 --> 00:23:40.559
<v Speaker 1>They decided to go back into the parlor and check

434
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<v Speaker 1>out the scene further. Florence again felt Julia and noticed

435
00:23:44.200 --> 00:23:46.720
<v Speaker 1>that she was colder than she was when they first

436
00:23:46.799 --> 00:23:49.839
<v Speaker 1>arrived on the scene. The pair wandered together what the

437
00:23:49.920 --> 00:23:53.039
<v Speaker 1>killer had used to kill her. William then noticed the

438
00:23:53.119 --> 00:23:55.200
<v Speaker 1>jacket he was wearing earlier in the day was on

439
00:23:55.240 --> 00:23:58.920
<v Speaker 1>the floor in the parlor, along with Julia's jacket. Not

440
00:23:59.039 --> 00:24:01.359
<v Speaker 1>knowing how they got there, Florence and William went back

441
00:24:01.359 --> 00:24:04.880
<v Speaker 1>to the kitchen. Since they were still waiting, Florence suggested

442
00:24:04.920 --> 00:24:07.480
<v Speaker 1>they start a fire, and that's exactly what she did.

443
00:24:08.160 --> 00:24:11.000
<v Speaker 1>During the time they waited, William cried multiple times and

444
00:24:11.039 --> 00:24:14.119
<v Speaker 1>sat with his hut in his hands. The first officers

445
00:24:14.160 --> 00:24:16.160
<v Speaker 1>to the house did a horrible job at preserving the

446
00:24:16.200 --> 00:24:18.799
<v Speaker 1>crime scene. They did such a bad job that an

447
00:24:18.839 --> 00:24:21.559
<v Speaker 1>officer literally showed up to the crime scene drunk and

448
00:24:21.599 --> 00:24:24.039
<v Speaker 1>went to the bathroom and flushed the toilet in the house.

449
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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god.

450
00:24:25.920 --> 00:24:27.640
<v Speaker 1>But let's back up a little bit to when the

451
00:24:27.680 --> 00:24:31.279
<v Speaker 1>first officer arrived at the scene. That officer was named

452
00:24:31.279 --> 00:24:35.000
<v Speaker 1>Constable Williams, and when he first arrived, William took him

453
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<v Speaker 1>on a walk through the home. First, they went upstairs

454
00:24:37.680 --> 00:24:39.559
<v Speaker 1>and took a look in the bathroom and then the

455
00:24:39.599 --> 00:24:42.640
<v Speaker 1>bedroom and Julia and Williams's bedroom. There was a mantle

456
00:24:42.839 --> 00:24:45.799
<v Speaker 1>and the couple had a jar with coins inside. William

457
00:24:45.880 --> 00:24:48.799
<v Speaker 1>showed this to Constable Williams, and as he was showing

458
00:24:48.880 --> 00:24:50.519
<v Speaker 1>it to him, he picked up a few coins that

459
00:24:50.599 --> 00:24:54.400
<v Speaker 1>were inside. Immediately, Constable Williams told William to put those

460
00:24:54.440 --> 00:24:58.039
<v Speaker 1>back and not touch anything further. This was another example

461
00:24:58.079 --> 00:25:00.319
<v Speaker 1>of how the crime scene was not properly protect did

462
00:25:00.519 --> 00:25:04.559
<v Speaker 1>before investigation. William took the Constable into the other two bedrooms,

463
00:25:04.559 --> 00:25:07.279
<v Speaker 1>the one which was the makeshift laboratory and the other

464
00:25:07.319 --> 00:25:09.799
<v Speaker 1>one which was used as a spare room. And the

465
00:25:09.799 --> 00:25:11.880
<v Speaker 1>spare room, the sheets were kind of pulled down and

466
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<v Speaker 1>off the bed and some of the pillows were on

467
00:25:14.000 --> 00:25:16.960
<v Speaker 1>the floor. William told the constable that he hadn't been

468
00:25:17.000 --> 00:25:19.480
<v Speaker 1>in that room in like two weeks, and so he

469
00:25:19.559 --> 00:25:21.880
<v Speaker 1>didn't know if it had been like that or not.

470
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<v Speaker 1>After the tour, many other officers, medics, and investigators arrived

471
00:25:26.240 --> 00:25:28.440
<v Speaker 1>on the scene and the investigation was in full swing.

472
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<v Speaker 1>The first suspect, as is usually suspected when a wife

473
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<v Speaker 1>is murdered, is the husband. People suspected William on the

474
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<v Speaker 1>first night of the investigation, but there just wasn't enough

475
00:25:39.000 --> 00:25:42.119
<v Speaker 1>evidence to back that theory up. According to the autopsy,

476
00:25:42.480 --> 00:25:45.759
<v Speaker 1>Julia's time of death was seven fifty PM and was

477
00:25:45.799 --> 00:25:48.799
<v Speaker 1>caused by three to four blows with a blunt object.

478
00:25:49.359 --> 00:25:51.599
<v Speaker 1>At that time, William would have been across town searching

479
00:25:51.680 --> 00:25:55.480
<v Speaker 1>for the address that R. M. Qualtrow requested he meet

480
00:25:55.559 --> 00:25:58.559
<v Speaker 1>a matt There were also no bloodstains anywhere except in

481
00:25:58.599 --> 00:26:02.559
<v Speaker 1>the parlor. The chances that after murdering his wife, William

482
00:26:02.680 --> 00:26:05.079
<v Speaker 1>was able to go upstairs change his clothes and wash

483
00:26:05.119 --> 00:26:09.839
<v Speaker 1>off without leaving a single trace. Officers needed a Hail Mary.

484
00:26:09.960 --> 00:26:12.160
<v Speaker 1>If they were going to be able to charge William

485
00:26:12.200 --> 00:26:14.599
<v Speaker 1>with the murder of his wife. They had to be

486
00:26:14.640 --> 00:26:18.240
<v Speaker 1>missing something, But what was it? They finally had the

487
00:26:18.319 --> 00:26:21.519
<v Speaker 1>aha moment. William's outdoor coat was found in the parlor

488
00:26:21.599 --> 00:26:25.519
<v Speaker 1>under Julia's dead body. Maybe William was able to travel

489
00:26:25.559 --> 00:26:27.839
<v Speaker 1>to Menlove Gardens without a trace of the crime on

490
00:26:27.920 --> 00:26:30.440
<v Speaker 1>him because he was wearing his coat during the murder

491
00:26:30.759 --> 00:26:32.759
<v Speaker 1>and then took it off because it had blood splatter

492
00:26:32.839 --> 00:26:35.519
<v Speaker 1>on it. Police finally put together their theory of what

493
00:26:35.599 --> 00:26:38.920
<v Speaker 1>happened that faithful night. They believed that on January nineteenth,

494
00:26:38.960 --> 00:26:41.000
<v Speaker 1>William went to a payphone and made a call to

495
00:26:41.039 --> 00:26:44.200
<v Speaker 1>the cafe where his chess club would be meeting. He

496
00:26:44.279 --> 00:26:47.960
<v Speaker 1>masked his voice and left the mysterious message that Samuel

497
00:26:47.960 --> 00:26:51.599
<v Speaker 1>would later give to William himself. After making the mysterious call,

498
00:26:51.640 --> 00:26:54.359
<v Speaker 1>William headed to the chess club meeting, which he arrived

499
00:26:54.400 --> 00:26:56.799
<v Speaker 1>too late, and when he got to the chess club,

500
00:26:56.839 --> 00:27:00.319
<v Speaker 1>he faked his cluelessness and regarded the mysterious message, all

501
00:27:00.359 --> 00:27:03.839
<v Speaker 1>to create an alibi for himself. Then the next night,

502
00:27:03.920 --> 00:27:06.680
<v Speaker 1>police believed that he waited until the milk boy came

503
00:27:06.720 --> 00:27:10.960
<v Speaker 1>to see Julia alive, quickly killed her, took off the jacket,

504
00:27:11.279 --> 00:27:13.680
<v Speaker 1>and went on his way to the pretend meeting that

505
00:27:13.720 --> 00:27:16.920
<v Speaker 1>he had set up. William strongly refuted this theory and

506
00:27:16.960 --> 00:27:20.720
<v Speaker 1>maintained his innocence. It was proven by witnesses across town

507
00:27:21.039 --> 00:27:23.640
<v Speaker 1>that saw and spoke to William that he did actually

508
00:27:23.640 --> 00:27:27.200
<v Speaker 1>go looking for R. M. Qualtrow, and while he continued

509
00:27:27.240 --> 00:27:29.960
<v Speaker 1>to maintain his innocence, he was very vocal about who

510
00:27:30.000 --> 00:27:34.119
<v Speaker 1>he thought was his wife's true killer, Richard Gordon Perry.

511
00:27:34.480 --> 00:27:36.839
<v Speaker 1>There were many people in the community who believed that

512
00:27:36.880 --> 00:27:39.400
<v Speaker 1>William was innocent and that he was just caught up

513
00:27:39.400 --> 00:27:43.000
<v Speaker 1>in a tragic and horrible experience. Richard Perry used to

514
00:27:43.039 --> 00:27:45.640
<v Speaker 1>work under William at the insurance company, and he was

515
00:27:45.680 --> 00:27:48.400
<v Speaker 1>either fired or left on his own because William caught

516
00:27:48.480 --> 00:27:51.640
<v Speaker 1>him stealing money from the company and cooking the books.

517
00:27:52.119 --> 00:27:54.920
<v Speaker 1>William stated that Richard did work alone and there were

518
00:27:54.960 --> 00:27:59.279
<v Speaker 1>other men he supervised that we're also stealing. One was

519
00:27:59.400 --> 00:28:03.440
<v Speaker 1>Joseph K. Martsen. William caught the men stealing and they

520
00:28:03.519 --> 00:28:06.359
<v Speaker 1>left the company, but continued to be friends. After departing.

521
00:28:07.200 --> 00:28:09.319
<v Speaker 1>Both of the men had been to Williams's house on

522
00:28:09.400 --> 00:28:12.960
<v Speaker 1>multiple occasions and knew where he kept the cash box

523
00:28:13.160 --> 00:28:17.319
<v Speaker 1>that he put his insurance collections in. Richard also admitted

524
00:28:17.319 --> 00:28:19.400
<v Speaker 1>to police that he knew and was a regular at

525
00:28:19.400 --> 00:28:22.559
<v Speaker 1>the Liverpool Center Chess Club, and he knew what cafe

526
00:28:22.599 --> 00:28:25.160
<v Speaker 1>they met at regularly, so he would have known where

527
00:28:25.200 --> 00:28:29.319
<v Speaker 1>to call and leave a message. Another interesting finding regarding

528
00:28:29.319 --> 00:28:31.920
<v Speaker 1>the potential involvement of Richard and Joseph is that when

529
00:28:31.960 --> 00:28:34.279
<v Speaker 1>the police were looking into all the people with the

530
00:28:34.319 --> 00:28:38.640
<v Speaker 1>name Qualtro, they found a man named R. J. Qualtrow,

531
00:28:38.759 --> 00:28:41.000
<v Speaker 1>and he just so happened to be a client of

532
00:28:41.079 --> 00:28:45.079
<v Speaker 1>Joseph's new insurance company. Joseph claimed that the night of

533
00:28:45.119 --> 00:28:46.880
<v Speaker 1>the murder he was sick in bed with the flu

534
00:28:47.200 --> 00:28:51.240
<v Speaker 1>that was terrorizing Liverpool that winter. Richard claimed that the

535
00:28:51.319 --> 00:28:53.480
<v Speaker 1>day of the murder, he spent the entire afternoon with

536
00:28:53.519 --> 00:28:57.759
<v Speaker 1>some friends, who verified this. However, this alibi for the

537
00:28:57.799 --> 00:29:01.960
<v Speaker 1>phone call was quite suspicious. Richard told officers that the

538
00:29:02.079 --> 00:29:04.200
<v Speaker 1>night the phone call was made, he was with his

539
00:29:04.240 --> 00:29:08.160
<v Speaker 1>girlfriend Lily. Lily, however, said that he was not with

540
00:29:08.319 --> 00:29:10.920
<v Speaker 1>her during the time the phone call was made. When

541
00:29:11.079 --> 00:29:13.440
<v Speaker 1>he did show up to her house. She was annoyed

542
00:29:13.440 --> 00:29:16.200
<v Speaker 1>because he was late. It was very unclear what actually

543
00:29:16.279 --> 00:29:19.960
<v Speaker 1>happened over the course of January nineteenth to twentieth, nineteen

544
00:29:20.000 --> 00:29:23.039
<v Speaker 1>thirty one. The first place that officers zoomed in on

545
00:29:23.200 --> 00:29:25.720
<v Speaker 1>was the phone call. They wanted to analyze all the

546
00:29:25.759 --> 00:29:28.400
<v Speaker 1>details around this and see what they could find. The

547
00:29:28.440 --> 00:29:31.759
<v Speaker 1>first thing considered was the distance between William and Julia's

548
00:29:31.799 --> 00:29:34.079
<v Speaker 1>house and the phone booth. The phone booth that made

549
00:29:34.119 --> 00:29:36.519
<v Speaker 1>the call was very close to William's home, and he

550
00:29:36.519 --> 00:29:38.359
<v Speaker 1>could have left home at the time he said he

551
00:29:38.440 --> 00:29:40.920
<v Speaker 1>did quickly stopped and still made it to the chest

552
00:29:41.000 --> 00:29:44.880
<v Speaker 1>cloud by seven forty five ish. William was eventually charged

553
00:29:45.039 --> 00:29:49.200
<v Speaker 1>with Julia's murder, and on April twenty second, nineteen thirty one,

554
00:29:49.319 --> 00:29:51.720
<v Speaker 1>he stood trial, and, despite the fact that all the

555
00:29:51.759 --> 00:29:55.480
<v Speaker 1>evidence around him was strictly circumstantial, after only one hour

556
00:29:55.519 --> 00:29:58.640
<v Speaker 1>of deliberation, the jury found him guilty and sentenced him

557
00:29:58.640 --> 00:30:01.000
<v Speaker 1>to death that same day.

558
00:30:01.160 --> 00:30:07.960
<v Speaker 2>What oh my gosh, right, fine, insane, I know that's

559
00:30:08.039 --> 00:30:10.160
<v Speaker 2>April twenty second, nineteen thirty one.

560
00:30:10.240 --> 00:30:13.519
<v Speaker 1>By May of nineteen thirty one, William's sentence was overturned

561
00:30:13.519 --> 00:30:15.799
<v Speaker 1>in an appeal and he was released.

562
00:30:16.640 --> 00:30:16.920
<v Speaker 2>I know.

563
00:30:17.240 --> 00:30:19.240
<v Speaker 1>The Court of Criminal Appeals said that there was simply

564
00:30:19.279 --> 00:30:22.119
<v Speaker 1>not enough evidence against William to charge and convict him

565
00:30:22.119 --> 00:30:25.039
<v Speaker 1>with the murder of his wife. This was incredibly shocking

566
00:30:25.039 --> 00:30:27.839
<v Speaker 1>to the public, especially since it was super uncommon in

567
00:30:27.839 --> 00:30:31.279
<v Speaker 1>the nineteen hundreds. After William was set free, he returned

568
00:30:31.319 --> 00:30:33.839
<v Speaker 1>to his insurance job, but life wasn't easy for him.

569
00:30:34.240 --> 00:30:36.480
<v Speaker 1>There were still tons of people in the community who

570
00:30:36.519 --> 00:30:38.519
<v Speaker 1>believed that he killed his wife and just got away

571
00:30:38.519 --> 00:30:42.319
<v Speaker 1>with it. William lost clients and friends. William received hate

572
00:30:42.400 --> 00:30:45.880
<v Speaker 1>mail and even physical threats made against his life. William

573
00:30:45.920 --> 00:30:47.720
<v Speaker 1>lived in fear that the person who killed his wife

574
00:30:47.720 --> 00:30:49.799
<v Speaker 1>may come after him now that he was free and

575
00:30:49.839 --> 00:30:53.559
<v Speaker 1>the case wasn't solved. William continued to struggle with kidney

576
00:30:53.559 --> 00:30:56.519
<v Speaker 1>issues after having one removed in emergency surgery that I

577
00:30:56.519 --> 00:30:58.799
<v Speaker 1>told you about, and he ended up using surgery that

578
00:30:58.839 --> 00:31:01.720
<v Speaker 1>would have prolonged his life. He died in the hospital

579
00:31:01.759 --> 00:31:04.599
<v Speaker 1>at age fifty four and was then buried next to

580
00:31:04.680 --> 00:31:08.359
<v Speaker 1>his wife in nineteen thirty three. Now that William is

581
00:31:08.400 --> 00:31:12.559
<v Speaker 1>a free man, Now what other possible situations happened that night? First,

582
00:31:12.920 --> 00:31:14.720
<v Speaker 1>there could have been someone who was watching William and

583
00:31:14.759 --> 00:31:16.839
<v Speaker 1>waiting for him to leave that evening so they could

584
00:31:16.880 --> 00:31:19.960
<v Speaker 1>commit the crime. It would have honestly been easy for

585
00:31:20.000 --> 00:31:21.880
<v Speaker 1>a person to set this up if they spent even

586
00:31:21.920 --> 00:31:24.720
<v Speaker 1>just a few weeks watching William and Julia, because they

587
00:31:24.720 --> 00:31:28.880
<v Speaker 1>were very routine oriented people. Sound yeah right, I mean

588
00:31:28.920 --> 00:31:32.759
<v Speaker 1>they did things always at the same time clockwork. Not

589
00:31:32.839 --> 00:31:34.799
<v Speaker 1>only that, but the chess schedule was posted on a

590
00:31:34.839 --> 00:31:37.319
<v Speaker 1>board in a public place for anyone to see. And

591
00:31:37.359 --> 00:31:39.720
<v Speaker 1>if this possible Stoker made the phone call, they were

592
00:31:39.759 --> 00:31:42.160
<v Speaker 1>already setting William up for failure by giving him a

593
00:31:42.160 --> 00:31:44.960
<v Speaker 1>fake address, knowing that would keep him out of the

594
00:31:44.960 --> 00:31:47.880
<v Speaker 1>home for an extended period of time, giving them enough

595
00:31:47.880 --> 00:31:50.400
<v Speaker 1>time to commit the crime without anyone seeing them. There

596
00:31:50.440 --> 00:31:52.279
<v Speaker 1>was also a lot of different clubs that met at

597
00:31:52.319 --> 00:31:55.680
<v Speaker 1>that specific cafe, so that board got a lot of

598
00:31:55.759 --> 00:31:59.079
<v Speaker 1>traction and attention by round. The other theory is that

599
00:31:59.160 --> 00:32:01.759
<v Speaker 1>Richard Gordon Pear is the killer with the potential help

600
00:32:01.799 --> 00:32:05.400
<v Speaker 1>of Joseph Caleb Mardsen to get William back for catching

601
00:32:05.440 --> 00:32:08.240
<v Speaker 1>and calling them out for stealing insurance money. Not only

602
00:32:08.279 --> 00:32:10.759
<v Speaker 1>did he know where the Wallaces lived and where William

603
00:32:10.839 --> 00:32:13.759
<v Speaker 1>kept his cash box, and when William went to play chess,

604
00:32:14.200 --> 00:32:17.039
<v Speaker 1>he knew that too. He also had a criminal record

605
00:32:17.480 --> 00:32:21.359
<v Speaker 1>and included things like vandalism, stealing, and sexual abuse, which

606
00:32:21.359 --> 00:32:24.279
<v Speaker 1>he was acquitted from. But all of these crimes appeared

607
00:32:24.319 --> 00:32:26.440
<v Speaker 1>to be spur of the moment and involved no planning

608
00:32:26.440 --> 00:32:28.799
<v Speaker 1>at all, and he typically got caught right away, which

609
00:32:29.039 --> 00:32:32.720
<v Speaker 1>might indicate that maybe he wasn't responsible for the murder.

610
00:32:33.000 --> 00:32:35.079
<v Speaker 1>But he did give a fake account to where he

611
00:32:35.200 --> 00:32:37.079
<v Speaker 1>was at night that the phone call was made, saying

612
00:32:37.079 --> 00:32:39.279
<v Speaker 1>he was with his girlfriend when he actually wasn't. To

613
00:32:39.319 --> 00:32:41.720
<v Speaker 1>this day, the murderer of Julia Wallace has never been

614
00:32:41.759 --> 00:32:45.240
<v Speaker 1>found and her case remains unsolved, and people still question

615
00:32:45.359 --> 00:32:48.359
<v Speaker 1>whether or not Richard Gordon Perry was involved, or if

616
00:32:48.400 --> 00:32:50.920
<v Speaker 1>William did it, or if it was something random. So

617
00:32:51.359 --> 00:32:53.839
<v Speaker 1>it's crazy. Story, that is crazy.

618
00:32:54.160 --> 00:32:58.079
<v Speaker 2>And do you think William killed his wife? I'm not

619
00:32:58.200 --> 00:32:59.720
<v Speaker 2>feeling it because what's the mine?

620
00:33:00.200 --> 00:33:01.119
<v Speaker 1>But what's the motive?

621
00:33:01.519 --> 00:33:05.039
<v Speaker 2>Right? He hates her, they can't stand each other. She's

622
00:33:05.039 --> 00:33:07.240
<v Speaker 2>a drunk, he's a drunk taking a.

623
00:33:07.319 --> 00:33:11.039
<v Speaker 1>Pick, yes, And none of that seemed to be apparent.

624
00:33:11.400 --> 00:33:13.519
<v Speaker 1>The only thing that sounded like they didn't do together

625
00:33:13.599 --> 00:33:16.160
<v Speaker 1>was go to church. So okay, a lot of couples

626
00:33:16.160 --> 00:33:19.160
<v Speaker 1>don't go to church together. But it just doesn't seem like, like,

627
00:33:19.240 --> 00:33:21.400
<v Speaker 1>what one day he just decided he couldn't stand her

628
00:33:21.400 --> 00:33:22.519
<v Speaker 1>and decided to kill her.

629
00:33:22.799 --> 00:33:25.319
<v Speaker 2>That does not make sense at all. And that what's

630
00:33:25.359 --> 00:33:28.920
<v Speaker 2>his name, Roger? What's the other Richard?

631
00:33:29.400 --> 00:33:31.559
<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Yeah, Richard Gordon Perry.

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<v Speaker 2>And he's the one who's stolen money from the insurance company. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and William had to fire him.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that how it went?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so you can't really be friends with the person

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<v Speaker 2>who fired you because you had said, oh yeah, he

637
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<v Speaker 2>got fire. But there they still remain friends.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh?

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<v Speaker 2>There, No one person is in the darkness above the friendship.

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<v Speaker 2>There is no friendship. I'm thinking I would go I'm

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<v Speaker 2>leaning more towards richeh just he seems to have the

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<v Speaker 2>most motive to try to fuck over William in a

643
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<v Speaker 2>way it ruined his life. If William didn't do it.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, it's it seems odd. I don't know. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think I like you. I have this feeling that

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<v Speaker 1>William didn't do it. I don't know. I think to

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<v Speaker 1>go on this wild goose chase one thing to set

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<v Speaker 1>the story up. Okay, yes, so you set this story

649
00:34:23.360 --> 00:34:26.480
<v Speaker 1>up that this guy calls and you're going to go

650
00:34:26.519 --> 00:34:29.400
<v Speaker 1>to this fake address and whatever. But do you actually

651
00:34:29.760 --> 00:34:33.320
<v Speaker 1>spend hours and hours searching for this fake address if

652
00:34:33.480 --> 00:34:35.519
<v Speaker 1>if you really need an alibi? Maybe not.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, I put in I would spend Usually

654
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<v Speaker 2>people are just very the thinking mind is, let me

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<v Speaker 2>just be seen, let me have the post office, see

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<v Speaker 2>me this police officer. Then I'm head right back home.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, I'm done, Yeah, exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>That's I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, but yeah, I don't. I don't get

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<v Speaker 1>the feeling William did it. Although William did feed the cat.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. That was weird. But we will do

662
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<v Speaker 1>weird shit when they're like, that's right, you know, when

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<v Speaker 1>you're in shock and you do weird stuff. I think

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<v Speaker 1>I do weird shit all the time. So I mean yes, and.

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<v Speaker 2>It was an act of love in a shocking state.

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<v Speaker 2>I can see like, oh, the cat's back, she'd be

667
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<v Speaker 2>so happy. So you dote down the cat in a way.

668
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<v Speaker 2>But that's just me, you know, pulling out a story

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<v Speaker 2>of things I wasn't there for, I know, but I

670
00:35:24.599 --> 00:35:29.119
<v Speaker 2>would surmise could see happening. Yeah, that's it's so. And

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<v Speaker 2>then nineteen eleven when you said that he had his

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00:35:31.719 --> 00:35:35.760
<v Speaker 2>kidney removed William Yeah, you know, were that advanced in

673
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<v Speaker 2>nineteen eleven? Right?

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<v Speaker 1>And he survived it, and yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's up and down on the sciences for us.

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<v Speaker 1>Curiously, did they have like were they killing germs back

677
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<v Speaker 1>in nineteen eleven? Did they like use and they must have, right?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh please?

679
00:35:51.679 --> 00:35:55.280
<v Speaker 1>I don't know when. And bacteria and stuff were discovered,

680
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<v Speaker 1>but there's always been probably vodka.

681
00:35:58.159 --> 00:36:02.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, or bleach maybe, and you know, these people were

682
00:36:02.320 --> 00:36:05.280
<v Speaker 2>dealing with their problems with cocaine and morphine, so it

683
00:36:05.360 --> 00:36:09.760
<v Speaker 2>couldn't have been that. You know, what I love about

684
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<v Speaker 2>his wife is that she lived for fifty years with

685
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<v Speaker 2>no husband, and I thought, oh, he's using her for money,

686
00:36:16.800 --> 00:36:19.000
<v Speaker 2>you know, because if you have no children and if

687
00:36:19.199 --> 00:36:21.320
<v Speaker 2>it's just you and you can travel and you can

688
00:36:21.639 --> 00:36:25.880
<v Speaker 2>learn water color, Oh my gosh, I'm living the life

689
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<v Speaker 2>in nineteen eleven, right, right, or you were born before

690
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<v Speaker 2>your time? I love it. And that's why, you know,

691
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<v Speaker 2>who's gonna marry, especially at that time. What man in

692
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<v Speaker 2>his thirties is gonna marry someone who would be considered

693
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<v Speaker 2>a spinster?

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<v Speaker 1>You know? Yeah, why isn't he marrying a woman who's seventeen?

695
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so he's making choices obviously that she fulfills a

696
00:36:50.440 --> 00:36:53.599
<v Speaker 2>part of him. Right. Oh now I'm gonna say, William,

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<v Speaker 2>I can be proven wrong. I have no you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I have no stronghold on my uh guesses.

699
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<v Speaker 1>And your stands.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, I know, I know I'd be curious to know

701
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<v Speaker 2>what people thought. So anyway too, But thank you, Tanya.

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<v Speaker 2>I love that story. You're welcome that are unsolved are

703
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<v Speaker 2>just as intriguing, I know, just as even more so

704
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<v Speaker 2>in different ways, but pretty awesome.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you, Yes, thank you for listening, and thank you

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<v Speaker 2>Until our next timetime to me, I will see you.

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<v Speaker 1>Bye bye,