Speaker 1: This is the Secret Teaching's tst radio dot Infoaratigable at
Speaker 1: yahoo dot com. Thank you Russell Stewart for joining us.
Speaker 1: Al G, thank you for joining us as well. Alrighty,
Speaker 1: so tonight for the next ninety minutes, roughly, we have
Speaker 1: Ryder Lee with us from Raised by Giants. You can
Speaker 1: find him on YouTube. So if you're on YouTube right now,
Speaker 1: you can just type in Raised by Giants and you
Speaker 1: should be able to find Ryder Lee. He's been on
Speaker 1: the show many times. He's a good friend of mine,
Speaker 1: and he's made a handful of really good documentaries. The
Speaker 1: Clockwork Shining documentary that was a really really good documentary.
Speaker 1: Some stuff in that documentary at it's probably kind of
Speaker 1: related to the show tonight. So anyway, let's bring Rider
Speaker 1: on the broadcast. Ryder, thank you for joining us. Really
Speaker 1: appreciate you being here.
Speaker 2: And I'm looking forward to talking about this because this
Speaker 2: is basically the basis of my new documentary, Psychic Agent,
Speaker 2: The Real Life Stranger Things, which should be out within
Speaker 2: two to three months on Amazon Prime and Apple TV plus.
Speaker 2: Kind Of what got me on this track was going
Speaker 2: through all of the mk Ultra programs, so we know
Speaker 2: that there were one hundred and forty nine sub projects
Speaker 2: to mk Ultra, and there were several. Richard Helm of
Speaker 2: the CIA, the director at the time, ordered that the
Speaker 2: mk Ultra documents be destroyed and the only reason that
Speaker 2: we have any of the documentation on mk Ultra was
Speaker 2: because around eight thousand pages were found inside of some
Speaker 2: financial documents that weren't destroyed by the CIA. But there
Speaker 2: was reported that there was more subprojects of mk Ultra
Speaker 2: than just the one hundred and forty nine that we
Speaker 2: are privy to. Now, a few of the sub projects
Speaker 2: I found very interesting because four of them focused solely
Speaker 2: on psychic abilities and parapsychology, hypnosis and what would later
Speaker 2: be called remote viewing. Now, there was another subproject that
Speaker 2: involved children. There's a few of them, actually, but one
Speaker 2: of them in particular was subproject one oh three in
Speaker 2: nineteen fifty nine, which was called the Children's International Summer Village,
Speaker 2: where all these kids were brought together to be at
Speaker 2: a summer camp. The CIA was studying them to see
Speaker 2: how they communicate with each other when they're in you know,
Speaker 2: common groups, and it was also to study young children
Speaker 2: who may be of interest to the agency. Now, if
Speaker 2: you fast forward a little bit. There's this tape that's
Speaker 2: been going around online that says something like you should
Speaker 2: be here my voice and you're writ ear now. This
Speaker 2: has been triggering a lot of people. They remember hearing
Speaker 2: this in public school. They remember going through a lot
Speaker 2: of these weird and strange.
Speaker 3: Tests in public school.
Speaker 2: They would be taken out of class, taken to a
Speaker 2: separate part of school that would be like a separate building.
Speaker 2: Sometimes sometimes it was a different classroom, but a lot
Speaker 2: of times it was just a completely separate building adjacent
Speaker 2: from the school itself. They would be sat down, they
Speaker 2: would have they would do hearing tests, they would do
Speaker 2: vision tests, they would do tests of with like blocks,
Speaker 2: they would do rorshack tests, they would do tests with cards,
Speaker 2: like cards that would have a symbol on them. They
Speaker 2: would be asking, oh, well, what's on what's going to
Speaker 2: be the next thing on the card, which has a
Speaker 2: lot of people to believe that this is like a
Speaker 2: testing of you know, psychic abilities in the kids right
Speaker 2: test with ropes. They would be told to drink some
Speaker 2: sort of substance, like a very liquidity substance. Some people
Speaker 2: believe that it was a pink pepto bismal type drink.
Speaker 2: Other people remember it being a yellow, thick pepto bismol
Speaker 2: like drink, but they were like, I don't know, Like
Speaker 2: just In He's like, you know those little paper cups
Speaker 2: that there's like look like shooters that they would be
Speaker 2: that they would have to take. And this coincides with
Speaker 2: like the drugging of kids, like nobody knows. And that's
Speaker 2: the thing is within those tests, after they take the substance,
Speaker 2: they don't really remember anything else after that, so it's
Speaker 2: very difficult to figure out exactly what was going on.
Speaker 2: But a lot of people remember the testing, going through
Speaker 2: the testing, strange testing. Some of it was like reading,
Speaker 2: and this will leads some people to believe that it
Speaker 2: was like ADHD testing and stuff like that, which that's
Speaker 2: not out of the realm of possibility. But a lot
Speaker 2: of these programs were called gifted programs. They were called MGM,
Speaker 2: which is really interesting because the entire MGM show with the.
Speaker 1: What was that, Oh, that's the network it's on right
Speaker 1: MGM plus, the.
Speaker 2: Institute Right MGM mentally Gifted Minds, the Institute on MGM plus,
Speaker 2: which is.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you a question writer, those substances whatever,
Speaker 1: those substances were, and we could probably just sit here
Speaker 1: and try to break down the various possibilities of what
Speaker 1: those kinds of tests would be. We have a listener
Speaker 1: in the chat named Joe Ryder who said that they
Speaker 1: remember those tests and that he had those tests done.
Speaker 1: I don't remember anything like that personally for me, but
Speaker 1: maybe I'm too young. But my question is the way
Speaker 1: that you describe those peptibysmal like substances based on what
Speaker 1: people are saying they experienced. You know, there's a lot
Speaker 1: of things because we're dealing with kids, that it could
Speaker 1: be a misremembering of something that could be inflated as
Speaker 1: a story because of all the pop culture and the
Speaker 1: comics and movies and TV shows. But those things also
Speaker 1: can be based on things like stranger things. Is so anyway,
Speaker 1: the point is what those substances do You think that
Speaker 1: maybe they could be some sort of ergot like substance, hallucinatory,
Speaker 1: psychedelic like substances, because they use those for adults in
Speaker 1: these kinds of programs, and humans have used these for
Speaker 1: thousands of years to induce what we would probably call
Speaker 1: psychic type abilities and to speak with spirits. If you
Speaker 1: give that to children. That would absolutely enhance theoretically any
Speaker 1: sort of those types of natural abilities already. That's my
Speaker 1: first thought. What do you think of that? Or do
Speaker 1: you know anything about that?
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it seems like some sort of hallucinogenic substance.
Speaker 2: And they would also be asked to put on goggles
Speaker 2: like three D goggles. What would the three D goggles
Speaker 2: be for? It would be to change your perception while
Speaker 2: you're drugged, to get you to see things that you
Speaker 2: normally wouldn't see. And I didn't give an example of
Speaker 2: this when I was really young. When I was growing up,
Speaker 2: I I would see things in my room every night,
Speaker 2: like entities would like come out of the walls. Now
Speaker 2: that might sound crazy, whatever people want to think, but
Speaker 2: I told my parents about this. It was like, every
Speaker 2: night I see these entities. They come out of the
Speaker 2: walls and surround me in my bed.
Speaker 3: Every night. My parents thought that something was wrong with me.
Speaker 3: They took me to the doctor.
Speaker 2: Okay, the doctor says that there wasn't anything wrong with me,
Speaker 2: and he handed me this flash card.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: It was probably as big as this piece of notepod paper, okay,
Speaker 2: and it had these bulls eyes on it and had
Speaker 2: a big bullseye, then a small bulls eye, and then
Speaker 2: it was like four different circles within circles, and he's like,
Speaker 2: can you make this bulls eye become three D? Can
Speaker 2: you make the bulls eye pop up off of the card?
Speaker 2: I couldn't do it at that time, and he was like, well,
Speaker 2: when you can do it, come back and see me.
Speaker 2: And it was like any it was like really fuzzy,
Speaker 2: like it was almost like it was three D on
Speaker 2: the card already, Like if you were to take your
Speaker 2: three D glasses off and watch a three D movie,
Speaker 2: how it's like super blurry. That's what the card looked like.
Speaker 2: And as the bulls eyes got bigger on the little
Speaker 2: flash card, they got clearer. And so I'm like putting
Speaker 2: two and two together here. And if these people were
Speaker 2: forced to put on some three D goggles and then
Speaker 2: they were, you know, given some sort of substance, would
Speaker 2: that be to trigger some sort of abilities? I mean,
Speaker 2: because we know that.
Speaker 1: There are three three you say they're three D goggles
Speaker 1: because usually that kind of stuff works with you know,
Speaker 1: a movie that's that's rendered to B three D. But
Speaker 1: obviously if you put them on, they don't. They don't
Speaker 1: work when you walk outside, things don't. They're already three dimensional.
Speaker 1: So what does that? What does that? What does three
Speaker 1: D goggles mean?
Speaker 2: Then for the people that can't see what they're supposed
Speaker 2: to be.
Speaker 1: Seeing, so maybe they're maybe they're not necessarily three D goggles,
Speaker 1: but there's some sort of enhancing device to enhance the visions.
Speaker 1: It almost sounds like you're giving someone a It sounds
Speaker 1: like an acid trip, but then they're trying to enhance
Speaker 1: or make the acid trip even more more real by
Speaker 1: putting some kind of device over over people's eyes.
Speaker 2: Right, So if you couldn't, if you couldn't do something right,
Speaker 2: it's just like with technology. You know, technology gives us
Speaker 2: a leap to be able to talk to each other
Speaker 2: while you're in Japan and I'm in the United States.
Speaker 3: Right, Yes, we.
Speaker 2: Wouldn't be able to do that with technology. Well, some
Speaker 2: people wouldn't be able to possibly unlock these psychic abilities
Speaker 2: that they have within them without a little nudge, without
Speaker 2: a little help, without a little technology, right, I mean,
Speaker 2: And that's just pure theory I have, just based on
Speaker 2: what happened to me and me remembering those bulls eyes
Speaker 2: on that flash card that were like super blurry. But
Speaker 2: there's several instances of that with people being drugged and
Speaker 2: then experimented on. And it's shown a lot in the
Speaker 2: Institute on MGM plus with children. But there's like the
Speaker 2: Ames leaf Room. Have you ever heard of the Ames
Speaker 2: leaf Room. It was created by doctor Ames. He created
Speaker 2: this which was funded and on contract by the Office
Speaker 2: of Naval Intelligence, well Office of Naval Research, where he
Speaker 2: would take college students into this room. I just had
Speaker 2: leaves all over it. You can google it, you can
Speaker 2: step in Ames Leaf Room. And he would give them LSD.
Speaker 2: Then he would put these goggles over their head and
Speaker 2: then have them sit in this weird room that he created.
Speaker 2: It's called the Ames leaf Room.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 2: So, and people would have like the worst trips of
Speaker 2: their lives in this room that's made out of leaves,
Speaker 2: tripping on LSD with weird goggles over their head. They
Speaker 2: would end up in the emergency room.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 3: So I mean and that's.
Speaker 2: A real story of the Ames Leaf Room. So, and
Speaker 2: that was happening on a college campus, right. So there
Speaker 2: is evidence of some of the things that people are remembering,
Speaker 2: is just difficult to track it into actually being inside
Speaker 2: of public schools. But the weird part about it, Ryan,
Speaker 2: is that voice that I was mentioning of the tape
Speaker 2: when people will put the headphones on and they would
Speaker 2: go through these hearing tests in public school, which is
Speaker 2: the voice that comes over you should be hearing my
Speaker 2: voice in your right ear. That is the Monroe Institute
Speaker 2: gateway tapes. That voice is from. That's a real thing
Speaker 2: that's triggering people. That's the monro Institute gateway tapes. They
Speaker 2: me saying gateway tapes is to induce an out of
Speaker 2: body experience, which Robert Monroe is connected to the Stargate
Speaker 2: remote viewing unit that the DIA and Army Intelligence was doing.
Speaker 2: Army Intelligence paid Robert Monroe thousands of dollars to thin
Speaker 2: their Army assets to the Monroe Institute to study under
Speaker 2: Robert Monroe. So there's a connection here. So how did
Speaker 2: these how and why were these gateway tapes put into
Speaker 2: public school Did SRI have something to do with this
Speaker 2: because SRI was a part of this entire thing too.
Speaker 2: They were the original scientists that were put down to
Speaker 2: study remote viewing and was funded by the CIA and
Speaker 2: by the government, by the Air Force, by the NSA,
Speaker 2: and there's this document that I have here. I'm gonna
Speaker 2: actually share the screen here really quickly. Window. This is
Speaker 2: from the Sun Streak, the IA Army intelligence program which
Speaker 2: was for remote viewing. They were using remote viewing to
Speaker 2: collect intelligence date on foreign targets during the Cold War,
Speaker 2: started in nineteen seventy eight and ended in nineteen ninety five.
Speaker 1: Is Sunstreak the one that reportedly supposedly if that's if
Speaker 1: this is the one I'm remembering where the Arc of
Speaker 1: the Covenant was also reportedly found in the eighties, it's
Speaker 1: that the same program, yes, but.
Speaker 2: It is the same program as one of the very
Speaker 2: first programs that was Grill Flame that was started as well.
Speaker 2: It was just renamed so several times since nineteen seventy eight,
Speaker 2: orient Intelligence and DA had been split, and then they
Speaker 2: had their separate programs, and then they would come back together,
Speaker 2: then they would split again, that would cause another name change,
Speaker 2: and then they would come back together, and then that
Speaker 2: would create another name change. So it was Sunstreak for
Speaker 2: a really long time, and then in nineteen ninety two
Speaker 2: it was changed to the Stargate Project by Dale Graff,
Speaker 2: which was an operations manager. That's going to be in
Speaker 2: my documentary talking about this and how and why he
Speaker 2: changed the name to Stargate, and then it was supposed
Speaker 2: to be given back to the CIA, which was funding
Speaker 2: it in nineteen ninety five, and then the CIA put
Speaker 2: the program down and said no intelligence data had ever
Speaker 2: been collected from the program, which was a lie. Once
Speaker 2: you once you read through all these documents, you'll see
Speaker 2: that the remote viewers were on target with all most everything.
Speaker 2: I mean, there's there's wind speed, there's detailed drawings of
Speaker 2: the location that they're remote viewing with their mind, their
Speaker 2: psychic abilities. I mean, it's it definitely worked. And that's
Speaker 2: what also piqued my interest. Why would they shut down
Speaker 2: a program that was on all accounts successful.
Speaker 1: Purpose program is usually what happens. They repurpose it, they
Speaker 1: rename it, they reassign people, or they or it goes black.
Speaker 3: That's right, That's exactly right.
Speaker 2: The one they either already had a program, two they
Speaker 2: reassigned the program. Three it went so dark that nobody
Speaker 2: is ever going to find out anything about it. And
Speaker 2: the evolving nature of what remote viewing can become. You
Speaker 2: can do so much with remote viewing. It's not just
Speaker 2: you know, an intelligence data collection or spine for the government,
Speaker 2: or seeing what somebody else is doing. There's so many
Speaker 2: other levels and layers to remote viewing that can be done.
Speaker 2: I mean there's outbounder experiments. There's uh which is the
Speaker 2: sr I called him outbounder, the DA called him what
Speaker 2: was the name, they called them a different name, but
Speaker 2: it was essentially the same thing that they would have
Speaker 2: the remote viewers remote viewing a certain individual and then
Speaker 2: the remote viewer would literally be able to see through
Speaker 2: their eyes. Then if you were to take that a
Speaker 2: step further, well, then there's like by location. There's a
Speaker 2: very advanced form of remote viewing that Ingo Swann created.
Speaker 2: It was called perfect site integration that was essentially grate
Speaker 2: up by location. You could literally bilocate your physical body
Speaker 2: to an another place on the Earth and you would
Speaker 2: be there and you would be able to influence the environment.
Speaker 2: So it gets way more advanced. And they want you
Speaker 2: to stop at you know, the government, they want you
Speaker 2: to stop at this this intelligence data collection that the
Speaker 2: remote viewers were doing for de I A and army intelligence.
Speaker 2: They want you to stop there.
Speaker 1: All over is the is a theoretical scientific concept. I
Speaker 1: think that would be that would also apply to perhaps
Speaker 1: understanding what a ghost is heard. I've heard this theory
Speaker 1: for a very long time, and I think that it's
Speaker 1: probably it's it's an adequate potential explanation for for ghosts
Speaker 1: or something similar to ghosts.
Speaker 2: Yeah, why why does unexplained the activity or paranormal activity
Speaker 2: have to be of a dead spirit? Well, usually likely
Speaker 2: probably from somebody that's living.
Speaker 1: That's usually it has to do with and is associated
Speaker 1: with heightened emotional states stress, anxiety, fear, terror, even sexual
Speaker 1: tension and energy, psychic abilities, telekinesis, moving objects with your mind, etc.
Speaker 1: Those things, even pyroe what do they call it, pyro techniques,
Speaker 1: even those kinds of things being able to manipulate fire,
Speaker 1: the elements or whatever the cases, comes from those heightened
Speaker 1: emotional states. So there's a connection between those two things.
Speaker 1: Although I was wondering, I want to ask You're a
Speaker 1: perfect person to ask this question, because I'm thinking of
Speaker 1: the Pentagon's recent announcement that they fabricated many of the
Speaker 1: UFO stories and narratives, and I don't trust the Pentagon.
Speaker 1: But this has been a theory in eufology for a
Speaker 1: long time. It's also documented back in the fifties that
Speaker 1: that was one of the goals, not necessarily the Pentagon,
Speaker 1: but that the media, the military, was intelligence was going
Speaker 1: to do this. So when we learn that now, there's
Speaker 1: like an open acknowledgment that yes, the military perpetrated these
Speaker 1: myths or took real stories and turned them into myths
Speaker 1: or things they didn't know what they were. And I'm
Speaker 1: wondering if the same thing has come to your mind
Speaker 1: in researching for your new documentary, has come to your
Speaker 1: mind about things like remote viewing and things like people
Speaker 1: remembering having gone to these gifted children test programs in
Speaker 1: public schools that perhaps some of this stuff, you know,
Speaker 1: people say, hey, I remember that, Well, we do know.
Speaker 1: Psychologically speaking, people misremember a lot, and it can be
Speaker 1: traced directly back to things that you're entertained by, or
Speaker 1: it can be tracked back to states of emotional instability,
Speaker 1: people that are missing certain things in their life so
Speaker 1: they want to be part of something, or it's an
Speaker 1: excuse for why their life isn't what it could be.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's very real. So I get the point
Speaker 1: is my question is, just like with UFOs, I think
Speaker 1: it's possible. But my question to you is do you
Speaker 1: think it's possible? Do you know anything about it? Or
Speaker 1: you have a theory on it? Maybe that a lot
Speaker 1: of that stuff that we're hearing today about those those
Speaker 1: memories are are aren't just the same types of mythos
Speaker 1: that were promoted by the military for UFOs. They're just
Speaker 1: doing this now with with psychic abilities or you know,
Speaker 1: with paranormal experiences that or it's not part of a
Speaker 1: long line of similar disinformation that's been been around for decades.
Speaker 1: Do you understand what I'm asking? Do you have a
Speaker 1: thought on that?
Speaker 3: Absolutely?
Speaker 2: Absolutely I understand that, and I could yea understand someone
Speaker 2: coming at it from that angle that. That's why I'm
Speaker 2: trying to get down to what factual information can I
Speaker 2: glean from any of this stuff, Like do we have
Speaker 2: any documentation? I mean, obviously there really were gifted programs. Now,
Speaker 2: whether those gifted programs were for trying to find psychic
Speaker 2: kids to shepherd them and herd them into a government facility,
Speaker 2: we don't know, Okay, but there's one hundred percent gifted programs.
Speaker 2: There's too many people that remember being in a gifted
Speaker 2: program for them not to be a gifted program. When
Speaker 2: I heard about this, as I was growing up as well,
Speaker 2: there were.
Speaker 3: Gifted programs in my school.
Speaker 2: I was never a part of it, but I know
Speaker 2: that there were. Almost every school in the nineties towards
Speaker 2: the end of the eighties into the nineties had gifted programs.
Speaker 3: Now, they.
Speaker 2: You never told what the gifted programs were. They told
Speaker 2: the people told.
Speaker 5: Their parents that they were a part of.
Speaker 2: Like that they were super smart, and that they need
Speaker 2: to be put into extra classes like extracurricular activity classes
Speaker 2: because they.
Speaker 5: Were scoring above average.
Speaker 2: Okay, now that could be mixed up and confused with
Speaker 2: some sort of weird government testing as well. But as
Speaker 2: far as documentation, we have this document from the sun
Speaker 2: Streak remote viewing program that says right here, only one
Speaker 2: scientific claim of detection of remote viewing is known. Chinese
Speaker 2: scientists claim to have detected remote viewing during their experiments
Speaker 2: with children. Do you have this at the bottom.
Speaker 5: Of your screen?
Speaker 1: I do not see it on my screen. Let me
Speaker 1: see if I can pull it up.
Speaker 2: I should have should be at the bottom of your
Speaker 2: hit it on the share, should be able to just
Speaker 2: bring it up down near the bottom.
Speaker 1: Yes, it's allowing me. Now, it wasn't allowing me at first,
Speaker 1: it is now so you can see them on the screen.
Speaker 2: Now, straight data on these experiments is insufficient to validate this. Now,
Speaker 2: this part down here looks like it was that it
Speaker 2: tried to be redacted, like someone tried to just mark
Speaker 2: this out with like a pen. It looks like it's
Speaker 2: been marked over like twice, and it says work to
Speaker 2: replicate these experiments, however, is going on at SRI.
Speaker 1: So they shut the program down because it wasn't providing
Speaker 1: anything of value. But then whatever value there was in
Speaker 1: it was continued at SRI. They tried to replicate the experiments.
Speaker 1: Is that what I'm to understand.
Speaker 2: Right, But we don't know if that means replicating the
Speaker 2: experiments with children that's just stated above here. With that,
Speaker 2: the Chinese have detected remote viewing during their experiments with children,
Speaker 2: which is one accurate. They were doing those experiments whenever
Speaker 2: you turned around, I don't know. I think it was
Speaker 2: like thirteen or fourteen. You were then kicked out of
Speaker 2: the program. They had no use for you anymore in China.
Speaker 2: And currently there are programs in the UK that are
Speaker 2: training kids with psychic abilities. They'll put blindfolds on them
Speaker 2: and they'll have them doing all they would be naming
Speaker 2: what color is there when they can't even see it.
Speaker 3: It's real program.
Speaker 2: Now, that's not a nefarious program. That's just a program
Speaker 2: for parents that think that their kids have some sort
Speaker 2: of extrasensory perception that doesn't evolve school or anything. It's
Speaker 2: just like a like a sports class that you would
Speaker 2: take your kid to, or a gymnastics class or taekwondo.
Speaker 2: It's like an ex your curricular activity class that's going
Speaker 2: on in the UK that is training kids how to
Speaker 2: be psychic.
Speaker 1: Okay, I think it's a lot. It's a lot easier
Speaker 1: today because of the Internet and because of widespread, cheap,
Speaker 1: easily accessible communication. But if you go back a couple
Speaker 1: of decades, if you go back into the nineties, I
Speaker 1: don't see why, theoretically, why it would be even a
Speaker 1: second thought that militaries, corporations, governments looking for, you know,
Speaker 1: a new generation of or people they can train to
Speaker 1: be a new generation of specialized whatever. And they go
Speaker 1: to schools and they find people that test very high
Speaker 1: and test in a certain way, and then they recruit
Speaker 1: them or their families into those programs, whatever those programs are.
Speaker 1: They don't have to be psychic. But I mean, they
Speaker 1: just could be people that you think that are really smart,
Speaker 1: that you want working at the CIA.
Speaker 3: That's right, that's exactly right. Like athletes rap.
Speaker 1: It's like athletes at schools, you go recruit athletes. You're
Speaker 1: telling me the military or the intelligence community or the
Speaker 1: government hasn't done that with really smart people. Of course
Speaker 1: they have other some countries they force you to do it.
Speaker 1: In the Soviet Union or in China, they would just
Speaker 1: kidnap people and force you to participate scientists, et cetera,
Speaker 1: force you to make things and perform experiments. So, yeah,
Speaker 1: this is.
Speaker 2: And that's what's happening. The people that I have talked
Speaker 2: to that are oudamant that they were a part of
Speaker 2: these school gifted programs for long periods of time. One
Speaker 2: of them including Walter Bosley. He's the one that was
Speaker 2: one inside of one of these gifted programs that was
Speaker 2: called MGM in California that he was forced to take
Speaker 2: a yellow liquid and then do all of these tests.
Speaker 2: He ended up in the intelligence community. He ended up
Speaker 2: working for the working in the Air Force. He ended
Speaker 2: up working being a spook for the CIA, an a
Speaker 2: counterintelligence agent. Another one my friend, Trey Hudson, same thing.
Speaker 2: He lived in Florida. He was a part of these programs.
Speaker 2: Then he ended up working for the DoD and Walter
Speaker 2: was told that by his mentor that he had been
Speaker 2: watched for his entire life.
Speaker 1: Okay, this is kind of the basis of one of
Speaker 1: the sub stories of the TV show Fringe. It wasn't
Speaker 1: necessarily the government, but you had these these two really
Speaker 1: famous and intelligent scientists that were using drugs to find
Speaker 1: children that had, you know, certain amplified abilities. And one
Speaker 1: and the main character with's her name Olivia, he ends
Speaker 1: up becoming an FB eye agent who is put in
Speaker 1: charge of investigating those kinds of programs. I mean, that's
Speaker 1: just a fictionalized version, but what you're explaining is something
Speaker 1: that's very real, and I.
Speaker 2: Do believe if these programs were real, that's what it
Speaker 2: was for. It was to shepherd and herd these people
Speaker 2: into a certain direction. The military were studying these kids,
Speaker 2: looking at them to try and put them into leadership roles,
Speaker 2: just like I was mentioning with that mk Ultra subproject
Speaker 2: where they would take all these kids, put them in
Speaker 2: a camp for an entire summer and then study them
Speaker 2: and watch them see what kind of learning capabilities they had,
Speaker 2: in order to figure out if any of those kids
Speaker 2: would be later on put into positions of power within
Speaker 2: the military or within the intelligence community.
Speaker 1: You know what's interesting to me, writer, is that technology,
Speaker 1: you know, scientific concepts, philosophies, these things, things expand and
Speaker 1: grow rapidly. Computer technology is a famous example of that.
Speaker 1: It doubles and doubles and doubles, and it advances quickly.
Speaker 1: But if you think about just the medical practice itself,
Speaker 1: we are not more than one hundred years removed. If
Speaker 1: that it could be less than one hundred years from
Speaker 1: blood letting practices. We're less than one hundred years removed
Speaker 1: from putting women into insane asylums because of emotional states.
Speaker 1: We're less than we're less I'd say one hundred to
Speaker 1: be really conservative, but we're less than one hundred years removed.
Speaker 1: Maybe more like what we're still doing it using mercury
Speaker 1: as a solve, as a lotion as a substance to
Speaker 1: cure diseases, which is arguably one of the things that
Speaker 1: caused leprosy. Exposure to mercury on the skin and it
Speaker 1: would cause your skin to literally peel off some of
Speaker 1: the stuff we're still doing today. In fact, when you
Speaker 1: have a woman that goes to the hospital to give birth,
Speaker 1: and I make that distinction now because they say men
Speaker 1: can have babies, but when a woman goes to the
Speaker 1: hospital give birth, it's still a very barbaric and they
Speaker 1: say it's sanitary and it's clean, it's a really barbaric
Speaker 1: and unsanitary mentally and physically conditioned, Like a woman should
Speaker 1: not be laying down on her back unless she feels
Speaker 1: it's necessary to give birth. People used to stand to
Speaker 1: give birth or give birth in water, not lay down.
Speaker 1: My point is in giving you these examples of blood
Speaker 1: letting and things like this, is because or mercury. We
Speaker 1: think that these are like barbaric practices that are confined
Speaker 1: to some historical period that we've grown out of, that
Speaker 1: we've learned from our mistakes. But what we're doing today publicly,
Speaker 1: the stuff we like I explained at the beginning of
Speaker 1: the show writer, the stuff we feed kids, the various
Speaker 1: pharmaceutical drugs, the open public experiments with different types of injections,
Speaker 1: all of that stuff is the equivalent of modern day
Speaker 1: blood letting. It's the equivalent of modern day we still
Speaker 1: use it mercury, old practices of mercury, mercury use blood letting.
Speaker 1: The kinds of things that we think are like, oh,
Speaker 1: that's barbaric, why would somebody do that, Well, we're doing
Speaker 1: the exact same thing today publicly. And if we're doing
Speaker 1: that kind of thing publicly, and we have no problem
Speaker 1: experimenting on children and adults, or spraying DDT on kids
Speaker 1: eating lunch or swimming in a pool, I mean, it
Speaker 1: just makes me think I can't even conceive of what
Speaker 1: goes on behind the scenes. And when you have power
Speaker 1: and money and we know of all the programs we
Speaker 1: know that did exist, and the stuff a little bit
Speaker 1: that we know about them that's confirmed, I'm sure that
Speaker 1: it's really beyond comprehension the kinds of things that have
Speaker 1: been done to both children and adults in programs like
Speaker 1: this without consent, without knowledge. I mean, I'm sure that
Speaker 1: you've probably heard of those, the idea of like breeding
Speaker 1: programs where a lot of people are you know, kids
Speaker 1: are bred for these kinds of experiments. It's not even
Speaker 1: that they are in school and they're taken out for
Speaker 1: special classes, or that their kids go missing and end
Speaker 1: up you know, kidnapped and end up in some some
Speaker 1: horrible situations. Just like there's like breeding farms, which actually
Speaker 1: kind of is partly what Epstein was doing in The
Speaker 1: New Mexico. You could argue that that was part of
Speaker 1: what he was doing there, with the with the wanting
Speaker 1: and pregnate women and give birth to these children off
Speaker 1: the grid. So that's maybe a whole different subject. But
Speaker 1: I just wanted to mention things like these barbaric quote
Speaker 1: barbaric practices, But we still do the exact same type
Speaker 1: of thing today, and we do these things publicly and openly,
Speaker 1: So it doesn't it doesn't take too far of a
Speaker 1: stretch of the imagination to look at what you're showing
Speaker 1: me and to think that it's probably a thousand times
Speaker 1: worse than what these documents imply and show, especially if
Speaker 1: the programs went black.
Speaker 2: It's it's way worse than what we could possibly even imagine.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's a it's a tentacle that expands to
Speaker 2: multiple different layers and levels that would be very difficult
Speaker 2: for any one person to figure out every level of
Speaker 2: it if they don't have the proper documentation or even
Speaker 2: know where to look there. But my first thought is, well,
Speaker 2: if you recruit all of the smartest people into your organization,
Speaker 2: then like what does that do. Well, One, you're getting
Speaker 2: rid of all the smart people. You've got all them,
Speaker 2: so then you give them a certain boundaries that they
Speaker 2: can't cross in the military, in these through that organizations.
Speaker 2: So then that done's innovation that wrecks people creating new
Speaker 2: things that could be beneficial to everyone.
Speaker 1: With innovation behind the scenes. That's twenty thirty forty fifty
Speaker 1: years ahead of everything else.
Speaker 2: There you there, you, that's what it is. And speaking
Speaker 2: of like kids and you know the you just mentioned
Speaker 2: with the you know, the farms and all that, well,
Speaker 2: check this out. China has now developed the world's first
Speaker 2: pregnancy humanoids from the daily Now that's capable of giving
Speaker 2: birth to a live baby.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 2: Scientists in China are developing the world's first pregnancy robot
Speaker 2: capable of carrying a baby be determined giving birth. The
Speaker 2: humanoid will be equipped with an artificial womb that received
Speaker 2: nutrients through a hose. Expert said. The prototype is expected
Speaker 2: to be released next year with a selling price of
Speaker 2: around one thousand year ten thousand dollars row.
Speaker 1: Wait wait, one thousand yen. Is this a Japanese Oh yeah.
Speaker 5: One hundred thousand yan or yin or yan yan.
Speaker 3: Looks like Chinese.
Speaker 1: I thought you meant yin. It's Chinese currency, and said that.
Speaker 2: The artificial womb technology is already in a mature stage
Speaker 2: and now needs to be implemented in the robots audomen
Speaker 2: so that a real person robot can interact with the
Speaker 2: active pregnancy.
Speaker 3: Okay, so this is yes, this type of what who
Speaker 3: it's going to look like?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll bring that back up on the screen, but
Speaker 1: I wanted to show listeners that yes, this was MIT
Speaker 1: Technology review back in twenty twenty three. These artificial this
Speaker 1: is what one of them looks like an artificial womb.
Speaker 1: So they want to take that and this is in Japan.
Speaker 1: This is a Japanese artificial womb. They want to take
Speaker 1: that and put that into what you showed, which is
Speaker 1: a robot, to make it more humanoid. So these things
Speaker 1: are artificial wombs that exist separate, and then they want
Speaker 1: to stick them into a humanoid like body from what
Speaker 1: you're showing me.
Speaker 2: And people thought that it was just a conspiracy theory
Speaker 2: that they had these artificial like babies being born outside
Speaker 2: of the womb.
Speaker 1: You know what, this is a really this just made
Speaker 1: me think of something really interesting. So that artificial wom
Speaker 1: I just showed you is a Japanese artificial womb. And
Speaker 1: I wrote a technology book many years ago where I
Speaker 1: talked about the development of artificial wombs elsewhere in the world.
Speaker 1: Have you ever noticed that when you read stuff from China,
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily believe stories coming out of China, but
Speaker 1: you can read stories from over here in Japan, where
Speaker 1: I am a stuff about, and even environmental technologies that
Speaker 1: just seem like they're so simple. There's no propaganda. It's
Speaker 1: just like, hey, we designed a plastic that dissolves in
Speaker 1: water and it's made of like seaweed. Solves the plastic problem.
Speaker 1: You ever notice that, like anywhere else in the world
Speaker 1: you read about stuff like that, the technology always seems
Speaker 1: so far advanced. And we know as Americans that we
Speaker 1: are the wealthiest and probably the most ruthless of any country,
Speaker 1: and we're sitting here with technology that feels like it's
Speaker 1: from the nineteen fifties. That's why people come to places
Speaker 1: like South Korea, China, Japan and they're like, Wow, these
Speaker 1: people are living in the future. It's like, no, that
Speaker 1: technology is probably itself really old. In the US, it's
Speaker 1: just all been gobbled up by corporations. It's been gobbled
Speaker 1: up by defense contractors, by companies like Apple and Facebook.
Speaker 1: And that's why we still live in like nineteen fifties technology.
Speaker 1: But the rest of the world, see any developed country
Speaker 1: seems to be fifty to one hundred years ahead. We
Speaker 1: have this stuff too, we just don't publicize it as much.
Speaker 1: That's what I think. I don't know, do you have
Speaker 1: a thought on that.
Speaker 3: It's really weird.
Speaker 2: I've noticed that too, and I don't really understand it either,
Speaker 2: other than that they just don't They want to see
Speaker 2: the United States fall and fail, and while all these
Speaker 2: other countries are just constantly developing new and breakthrough technology.
Speaker 2: I mean, look at cloning, bro I mean, cloning was
Speaker 2: heavily talked about in the nineties. Bill Clinton was talking
Speaker 2: about cloning only the sheep, Dolly, the sheep. It was
Speaker 2: a huge thing. They were talking about it when it's
Speaker 2: like human trials going to start, just like how they
Speaker 2: were talking about anti gravity and free energy all the
Speaker 2: way back in the early nineteen hundreds. Hey, then all
Speaker 2: of a sudden, boot nothing. Let's just shove that. Let's
Speaker 2: just shove that thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's because it went black. I think, just
Speaker 1: like the other programs we're talking about, it's a really
Speaker 1: popular thing. People are interested in it. It's it's for
Speaker 1: some people, it's science fiction. For other people, it's just science.
Speaker 1: And then just disappears one day, and it almost feels
Speaker 1: like we I mean, as an American, it almost feels
Speaker 1: like we've gone back in time. It almost feels like
Speaker 1: we've gone we've lost technology. It's not lost, it's there,
Speaker 1: we just don't don't have access to it. I mean,
Speaker 1: the things this isn't the point of tonight's show, but
Speaker 1: the things that you find over here where I am writer.
Speaker 1: You're just thinking, like, why why do we not have
Speaker 1: this in the United States? Don't I don't understand. It
Speaker 1: makes life so much easier. Why, Well, I think again,
Speaker 1: because it's all under the control of defense contractors, the
Speaker 1: aerospace industry, the Pentagon, the military, private corporations you've never
Speaker 1: heard of before, or startups in Silicon Valley. Because they
Speaker 1: have a stranglehold. They have I don't even know if
Speaker 1: monopoly is the right word, but they have control of
Speaker 1: all I think control of all of it.
Speaker 2: Well, that's the same time. That's the thing too, is
Speaker 2: that AI. No one's talking about this. You might have
Speaker 2: talked about it, I'm not sure, but I've never heard
Speaker 2: anybody else talk about this. They all talk about aisn't
Speaker 2: like there's going to be an AI takeover, that the
Speaker 2: AI is going to take everybody's jobs. No one's talking
Speaker 2: about how AI is going to invent stuff. AI is
Speaker 2: going to create things. AI is going to patent things,
Speaker 2: and AI is going to be used as the scapegoat
Speaker 2: for the reason why we haven't had all this stuff
Speaker 2: for a really long time. Okay, So free energy, okay,
Speaker 2: I'm calling it right now, is going to be created
Speaker 2: by AI.
Speaker 1: AI will develop it quote.
Speaker 2: Unquote exactly anti gravity craft, which I am very confident
Speaker 2: we already have the military has had for freaking sixty years.
Speaker 2: They've at least at least been developing it. AI is
Speaker 2: going to create see, because that puts a middleman in between,
Speaker 2: because they can't just come out and say, oh, well
Speaker 2: we've had this stuff for a really long time. Here
Speaker 2: it is here. It is that people will be like,
Speaker 2: what do you mean, how long have you had this?
Speaker 2: How long have you had this free energy. How long
Speaker 2: have we been paying for power.
Speaker 3: And all this stuff?
Speaker 2: But now we don't have to worry about it because
Speaker 2: AI cracked the code. AI cracked the code. They found
Speaker 2: the cure for cancer, They found out how to work
Speaker 2: free energy. They figured out anti gravity craft to protect
Speaker 2: us from the freaking fault, fake alien invasion. Okay, that's
Speaker 2: just an example. I don't really believe that that's going
Speaker 2: to happen, but something similar to that is probably going
Speaker 2: to happen, and people aren't talking about it because they can't.
Speaker 2: They don't see it like that. The AI is going
Speaker 2: to be the scapegoat for everything, even innovation.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I can see're going to be.
Speaker 2: Like, oh, AI finally did it. We finally we figured
Speaker 2: out how to do it. The missing link the researchers
Speaker 2: and scientists had been looking for and studied for. The
Speaker 2: people have been donating into this foundation for forty to
Speaker 2: fifty years, giving all of their money to cancer research.
Speaker 3: A I just solved it.
Speaker 1: A C And contrarily, you'll find the opposite. You'll find
Speaker 1: artificial intelligence has informed us that we can't do X.
Speaker 1: We're not able to cure cancer. You need to take
Speaker 1: the drugs we're not able to develop non fossil fuel technologies.
Speaker 1: You need to keep you know, well, they tell you
Speaker 1: not to use it, but you're going to have to
Speaker 1: continue to drive your combustion engine vehicle because we just
Speaker 1: even the AI can't figure out another option. So you
Speaker 1: could find that it acts contrarily to that as well.
Speaker 1: I mean we basically already like that with computers, Like well,
Speaker 1: I read it online, so it must be true or
Speaker 1: it must not be true. We rely on artificial intelligence
Speaker 1: a super perceived as a super intelligence compared to the
Speaker 1: average human. It's really right. I mean, it's really a
Speaker 1: glorified search engine in a lot of ways, most of
Speaker 1: the chatbots, but it'll be used for the opposite of
Speaker 1: that as well. I want to go to the chat
Speaker 1: really quick, writer, because there's a lot of people that
Speaker 1: have commented in the chat room about their experiences or
Speaker 1: things they've been through Jewels of Earthly Delights as I
Speaker 1: was born in nineteen ninety and in one of those programs,
Speaker 1: numerous classmates went straight into jobs at the New York Times.
Speaker 1: Others went to DC to work in the federal government there, you,
Speaker 1: which is just what we were talking about. Oh, I
Speaker 1: like this who is this is your real name, Paggy
Speaker 1: in the Chat because that is Peggy Bundy. That's one
Speaker 1: of my favorite TV shows of all time. Peggy in
Speaker 1: the says, I went to school in two different states,
Speaker 1: but both called it the gifted program.
Speaker 2: Yeah some people. Some people it's the gifted program, other
Speaker 2: people it's called the mentally gifted minds. And see, there's
Speaker 2: different reasons given in different states as to the decision
Speaker 2: to put your child inside of one of these programs
Speaker 2: within public school. They're given different reasons. Some people were
Speaker 2: said that their kid was like super smart and that
Speaker 2: they needed to be put in like a special class.
Speaker 2: And then other states where your kid is really stupid,
Speaker 2: he's not learning properly, he has learning disabilities, he's dyslexic,
Speaker 2: he has ADHD, he needs to be put into a
Speaker 2: special class.
Speaker 1: Yes, well, and that that we could also theorize too
Speaker 1: that whatever is causing the increase in quote autism, people
Speaker 1: say that that is a debilitating condition. Others say that
Speaker 1: it's the next phase of human evolution. However, you interpret
Speaker 1: that or perceive that those kinds of states are created
Speaker 1: clearly by the conditions that we create through food and
Speaker 1: drugs and medicine and all these other things. Then if
Speaker 1: those kids really are able to access something that is
Speaker 1: outside of the ordinary and they become extraordinary, then it's
Speaker 1: almost like we're literally traumatizing, brainwashing, and damaging children to
Speaker 1: produce those different qualities and states that allow them to
Speaker 1: access those other realms. In other words, it's kind of
Speaker 1: like the way that I perceive it. The way that
Speaker 1: I see it, it's it's kind of like those stories
Speaker 1: of satanic ritual abuse, where you have to traumatize and
Speaker 1: abuse and sexually do things to the child in order
Speaker 1: to get the personality to split. And it's not just
Speaker 1: satanic ritual abuse. It's also done with drugs as well,
Speaker 1: and you know the MK ulture programs and others. So
Speaker 1: I think we're doing that collectively as a culture. We're
Speaker 1: doing that. It's not like a secret program. It feels
Speaker 1: like we're doing that. As a culture writer, it feels
Speaker 1: like that's what we're doing that to children at every
Speaker 1: level of grade school, from the moment they're literally from
Speaker 1: the moment they're born until they become an adult. It's
Speaker 1: not and it's not just about programming or making money.
Speaker 1: I mean, what is it. One in two are autistic
Speaker 1: by the end of this decade, according to the CDC
Speaker 1: one in two. That's not evolution. That's a synthetic thing
Speaker 1: that we've created, I think, and I think it ties
Speaker 1: back perhaps into these programs, which also I want to
Speaker 1: mention this to you too, because I think it is
Speaker 1: in line with our idea here of why there's maybe
Speaker 1: more advanced technology behind the scenes, because this very smart,
Speaker 1: intelligent people, the high level Da Vinci type people are
Speaker 1: found when they're young and brought into you know, programs
Speaker 1: or the military or whatever some corporation. You think about
Speaker 1: what we heard, what was it a couple of months ago,
Speaker 1: back in May from the former Bush administration official Catherine
Speaker 1: Fits and whatever you think of her, I mean, I
Speaker 1: don't know what to think. But here's just a reminder
Speaker 1: of the economic times. The US spent twenty one trillion
Speaker 1: dollars to build a secret underground doomsday bunker for the elites.
Speaker 1: And it's more than just a bunker. It's more like
Speaker 1: a series of it's a network of cities and tunnels.
Speaker 1: And this is the kind of thing that I had
Speaker 1: heard rumors of, completely unrelated to anything that I was
Speaker 1: interested in, because I was only nineteen years old. I
Speaker 1: just started reading weird conspiracy books. I had read UFOs
Speaker 1: and I was a kid, but weird conspiracy books. And
Speaker 1: I had people in Tampa in Orlando tell me things
Speaker 1: about mcdale Air Force Space, that there were underground facilities there,
Speaker 1: tunneling systems that went under the Bay of Tampa all
Speaker 1: the way down to Miami and all the way down
Speaker 1: to Cuba, and that they use that to traffic drugs,
Speaker 1: They use that to traffic people. There are stories. They're
Speaker 1: not even stories, actually that's the wrong word. There are
Speaker 1: videos and and and audio. You can watch them, and
Speaker 1: they've been the They've been the subject of a lot
Speaker 1: of theorizing for decades of cities all across the world.
Speaker 1: We're talking to the United States. In fact, Saint Petersburg, Florida,
Speaker 1: where right across the bay from where mcdal Air Force
Speaker 1: Space is. This happened at a baseball game. You get
Speaker 1: just this weird trumpet like sound that is blaring in
Speaker 1: the in the air. That this has been seen and
Speaker 1: heard in Texas, I think, I want to say Sweden,
Speaker 1: Texas for sure, Florida for sure. It's been heard in
Speaker 1: Russia for sure. I think it's been heard in China.
Speaker 1: But what they classify that weird trumpet sound in the
Speaker 1: air as they call it, like the the the venting
Speaker 1: of exhaust from these underground facilities because when they're building them,
Speaker 1: all this toxic gas builds up, so they have to
Speaker 1: expel it. And when we're talking massive, massive pipes, massive facilities,
Speaker 1: and when they expel all that gas, you get that
Speaker 1: kind of wishing sound in the air. And that's like
Speaker 1: official explanations for different different things that have happened around
Speaker 1: the world. Is again, this is a global thing. And
Speaker 1: so when you get someone like Catherine fitz who says, yeah,
Speaker 1: we build a twenty one trillion dollar, you know, under
Speaker 1: ground city, I don't think people understand the nature of
Speaker 1: what she's actually suggesting. Twenty one trillion dollars is more
Speaker 1: than half the national debt, and to build something like that,
Speaker 1: it's possible to do it without people knowing. I mean,
Speaker 1: the Japanese built the g cans here in Tokyo without
Speaker 1: anybody knowing, and it was all underground and it was
Speaker 1: it's like a massive temple complex. It's pretty crazy. So
Speaker 1: you can do it, but you need really smart people
Speaker 1: to do it. You need the top best of the
Speaker 1: best engineers and probably almost like city planners, you need
Speaker 1: everybody who's at the top of their field to do this.
Speaker 1: You need very advanced technology to be able to do
Speaker 1: this kind of thing. And so it makes me think.
Speaker 1: My point is, it makes me think, this is why
Speaker 1: we don't have any on the surface advances in quote technology.
Speaker 1: It's why I mean, I'll give you I think what
Speaker 1: a great example would be is over here in Japan
Speaker 1: they have the famous Shinkansin, and the Shinkansin has been
Speaker 1: exported to India and other countries, but the US doesn't
Speaker 1: want it. They've had the Shinkansin bullet train over here
Speaker 1: since the nineteen sixties and it has like an impeccable
Speaker 1: safety record, I mean, or not even a safety record,
Speaker 1: it has that too, but it has like an impeccable
Speaker 1: record of like never having an issue shoes. There have
Speaker 1: been a few, you know, issues with like electrical things,
Speaker 1: some fire here or there, but it like it has
Speaker 1: no record of anything bad happening. They've ran this thing
Speaker 1: for but since the sixties, that's over almost three quarters
Speaker 1: of a century they've had this thing, and it just
Speaker 1: keeps getting better and better, and we don't have that.
Speaker 1: We have like Amtrak that is covered in graffiti and
Speaker 1: smells like urine. You know why that is? We have
Speaker 1: that because we've spent all of our money and we've
Speaker 1: sent all of our brilliant people to build whatever the
Speaker 1: fuck this is. And I think they.
Speaker 2: Would say that the United States is too hilly and
Speaker 2: there's too many mountains that they couldn't build this, uh
Speaker 2: this Amtrak fast track bullet.
Speaker 3: Train to do it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because Japan isn't a series of volcanoes and mountains.
Speaker 2: But oh, I know, but I'm just saying that would
Speaker 2: be the excuse, like there's too much train here in
Speaker 2: the United States, you can't do it. But which is
Speaker 2: complete another horrible But we do know that the article
Speaker 2: that you just brought up could very well be accurate
Speaker 2: because they were doing this during the Cold War and
Speaker 2: they had one in West Virginia. They at the Greenbrier Hotel.
Speaker 2: There was an underground bunker that was built into the
Speaker 2: side of the mountains.
Speaker 1: Only you and me and a couple of friends that
Speaker 1: we have we know that. But yeah, you're right, that's fascinating.
Speaker 1: People should look at Greenbrier. It's a resort is it
Speaker 1: a resort or it's like a hotel resort. I think
Speaker 1: that's where the governor's bunker was.
Speaker 2: It was the governor's bunker and it was all of
Speaker 2: the politicians and the president from Washington, d C. That's
Speaker 2: where they would go in case of a nuclear explosion,
Speaker 2: in case the Cold War escalated to to the point
Speaker 2: where there are you know, nuclear bombs being dropped.
Speaker 1: I'm showing them showing it on the screen right now.
Speaker 1: I also see my friend Teresa just join the chat. Hello, Teresa.
Speaker 1: Here is the Greenbriar Resort. You can actually get a
Speaker 1: tour of the bunker. Have you ever gotten a tour?
Speaker 1: I never got one.
Speaker 3: Yes, I went in, Oh you got a tour.
Speaker 1: Wow, that's really cool. Yeah, you can get a tour
Speaker 1: of the bunker. Look at that.
Speaker 2: But they made this one all in one secret. They
Speaker 2: just blasted out the side of the mountain and then
Speaker 2: made it to where there was all this construction going
Speaker 2: on and when they were building the hotel and then
Speaker 2: they just yeah, it's huge, it's huge. They still have
Speaker 2: the original bunk beds and like everything in there.
Speaker 1: And this we're talking about the Cold War, We're talking
Speaker 1: about a time when I mean even in a decade,
Speaker 1: technology advances rapidly, So we're talking how many decades ago
Speaker 1: and the amount of time you need to be able
Speaker 1: to develop the kind of technology to build something like
Speaker 1: that in the first place. It's like you when people
Speaker 1: look at go Beckley Tepe, they say, well, it's eleven
Speaker 1: thousand so years old. I mean, that's fascinating enough that
Speaker 1: takes you back to I mean that's the middle of
Speaker 1: the Younger Drives, the end of the Ice Age. But
Speaker 1: it also makes you ask the question, how many thousands
Speaker 1: of years did you have to develop the technology to
Speaker 1: be able to do something like that? So, I mean
Speaker 1: we've had to have had the technology to do things
Speaker 1: like this since I mean, at least it had to
Speaker 1: have been World War Two, it had to have been
Speaker 1: the forties and the fifties. There's no possible way you
Speaker 1: just overnight design something and build something like this. It
Speaker 1: takes decades to build up the technology to be able
Speaker 1: to do it, let alone actually to build it. A writer,
Speaker 1: I think you're muted.
Speaker 2: I think that makes you think you like, what about
Speaker 2: all these other underground places, like what about the Paris cantasquorms? Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's a whole bro like that is uh, that is
Speaker 2: it been, And there's a whole entire underground city that
Speaker 2: is just as big as Paris, all underground, like there's
Speaker 2: some people. There's been rumored that some people have gone
Speaker 2: in there and have never come out because they've gotten lost.
Speaker 3: Have you.
Speaker 1: Have you ever seen those Turkish tunnels? Yeah, the ones
Speaker 1: in Yeah, darren Ku darren Q tunnels. It's like an
Speaker 1: entire underground city that's built carved. I'm showing them them
Speaker 1: on the screen right now just for audio only listeners.
Speaker 1: You can if you want to type this in d
Speaker 1: e r i n k u y u d e
Speaker 1: r i n k u yu. Yeah, and a massive
Speaker 1: underground complex. Uh they by the way, they Oh, I'm sorry, writer.
Speaker 2: Go ahead. It seems like every single popular country has
Speaker 2: a city underneath it. I mean, we know about the
Speaker 2: cities underneath La that's a really big one. There's cities underneath.
Speaker 3: Vegas, Like.
Speaker 2: Who did this? Why did they do this? And now
Speaker 2: we're still doing the same thing, We're still creating underground cities.
Speaker 2: I mean, does this go back to the hopey ant
Speaker 2: people like.
Speaker 1: I was just thinking that because that is yeah, that's right,
Speaker 1: they came out of the ground the ant people.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and see some of the humans that were on
Speaker 2: the surface from a huge cataclysm, took them underground and
Speaker 2: then resurfaced them after it was safe to come back out.
Speaker 1: So this brings a few questions to the forefront of
Speaker 1: my mind. Writer. On the screen, you can see that
Speaker 1: it says in nineteen fifty eight, this is the Greenbriar website.
Speaker 1: Nineteen vity eight, Congress instructed the Greenbrier to build our
Speaker 1: West Virginia Wing to conceal you alluded to this to
Speaker 1: conceal the construction of emergency or fallout shelter and relocation
Speaker 1: facility for Congress. So a few things come to my
Speaker 1: mind speaking of Fallout and speaking of the Greenbrier. I've
Speaker 1: been playing Fallout seventy six a lot recently. My school,
Speaker 1: my high school is in the game. Your hometown is
Speaker 1: in the game, Point Pleasant, Mothman. It's a really fun game.
Speaker 1: I don't like that it's all online, but it's a
Speaker 1: really fun game. And I'm like a big Fallout fan,
Speaker 1: So I'm really excited for season two that's coming out,
Speaker 1: and I think it's December and the first season, I
Speaker 1: don't know did you see the first season of Fallout?
Speaker 2: Yes, I loved it. I thought it was great. I'm
Speaker 2: glad that they're fast tracking in the series.
Speaker 1: Yes, me too. And so if anybody doesn't know anything
Speaker 1: about Fallout, that's okay. You don't have to be a
Speaker 1: video game fan to know anything about it. But this
Speaker 1: is what it makes me think. In the first season,
Speaker 1: taking from the Cannon and the lore of the actual
Speaker 1: video game stories, have a corporation called Vault Tech. And
Speaker 1: I don't want to give too much away for people
Speaker 1: that might want to go watch it, but this corporation
Speaker 1: you find out it's implied in the show, and it's
Speaker 1: been speculated on in the games that the Vault Tech Corporation,
Speaker 1: which was building bunkers for the apocalypse, for nuclear war,
Speaker 1: this big war between China, Russia, the US that when
Speaker 1: Peace twks started to go very well and it looked
Speaker 1: like there wouldn't be an apocalypse, the idea was that
Speaker 1: Valt Tech decided to drop the bombs themselves and to
Speaker 1: destroy the world and because they would be able to
Speaker 1: manage the apocalypse, and that is like the main storyline
Speaker 1: in the first first season of the TV show based
Speaker 1: off the Games is that you have these managers that
Speaker 1: want to be able to manage the end of the world,
Speaker 1: and they say that time is the ultimate weapon, that
Speaker 1: we can destroy all of our enemies and then we
Speaker 1: can re populate the world and we can redesign the
Speaker 1: world in our image, and they wanted to do. These
Speaker 1: are like billion trillion dollar corporations, robotics companies, vault companies,
Speaker 1: you name it. And I mean, truth is stranger than fiction,
Speaker 1: but sometimes they're the same thing. And I'm not saying
Speaker 1: it's predictive programming, but when you read stuff like the
Speaker 1: twenty one trillion dollar underground city network that Catherine Fitz
Speaker 1: talked about, and we know that there's a long history
Speaker 1: of this. We just saw Greenbrier and that was back
Speaker 1: in nineteen fifty eight. First of all, it's not really
Speaker 1: that incomprehensible to think that what she's saying is true
Speaker 1: or could even be an understatement. But it also is
Speaker 1: not unfeasible to think that what you saw in the
Speaker 1: first season of Stranger not Stranger Things of Fallout isn't
Speaker 1: really off from whatever the hell this twenty one trillion
Speaker 1: dollars is. Because if you have other countries like China,
Speaker 1: countries like Japan just to go to the far far East,
Speaker 1: the other side of the world, that are like seventy
Speaker 1: five years advanced on the surface with just transportation, just
Speaker 1: basic public transportation. The trains in China are arguably better
Speaker 1: than even Japan, which I don't know if I believe
Speaker 1: that because all the lies upont of China, but it nevertheless,
Speaker 1: it's like seventy five years more advanced than the United States.
Speaker 1: I don't believe the US isn't advanced. I just think
Speaker 1: we've done it here with this twenty one trillion dollars underground.
Speaker 1: So it's to me, it really sounds like vault Tech.
Speaker 1: It sounds like we have a group of corporate managers
Speaker 1: that have decided to literally go underground to build an
Speaker 1: entirely different civilization and to let everything on the surface
Speaker 1: crumble and to let time be the ultimate weapon to
Speaker 1: destroy all of their enemies. I mean, people speculate it's
Speaker 1: for an asteroid impact or there's going to be nuclear war.
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily think any of that. I'm just saying
Speaker 1: that it feels like we're dealing with the Vaultech corporation.
Speaker 1: I mean, and the evidence is it's weird that something
Speaker 1: like this would be said after the TV show comes out, too,
Speaker 1: with having no relationship to the TV show. Those kinds
Speaker 1: of weird synchronicities happen quite often. So these are just
Speaker 1: things that I think about. I'd like to know what
Speaker 1: you think, considering that you have seen the TV show,
Speaker 1: it feels very eerily similar to vaultech.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, is it that whenever we get to
Speaker 2: a certain population and things aren't manageable at all anymore
Speaker 2: than they just drop the nukes and do a reset
Speaker 2: and start everything over again. I mean, it could be
Speaker 2: a possibility. I mean, I wouldn't put it past them
Speaker 2: to do that, but I think the things would have
Speaker 2: to get way worse. But in the way of like
Speaker 2: innovation too, I think that looking at it from their
Speaker 2: perspective and their angle, maybe it's they don't want to
Speaker 2: be the number one of like innovation and have all
Speaker 2: this stuff makes things way easier here in the United
Speaker 2: States because people already want to come here. Everyone already
Speaker 2: in the everywhere in the world wants to come to
Speaker 2: the United States. They want to live in the United States.
Speaker 2: Even though in some instances, like in Japan, a lot
Speaker 2: of things are better, which I'm we've talked about several times.
Speaker 2: There's also disadvantages. No place is one, right, But if
Speaker 2: we were also the number one inventor of all this stuff,
Speaker 2: and we had all this technology that made the way
Speaker 2: of life one hundred times better than it already is,
Speaker 2: then there would be nothing but people coming here. Then
Speaker 2: there would be a huge, really bad, overcrowning problem that
Speaker 2: would be unmanageable. So imagine if we've created the United
Speaker 2: States as this the best in the world, blah blah blah,
Speaker 2: even though it might not be compared to some other countries.
Speaker 2: We have the perception that it is people want to
Speaker 2: come here.
Speaker 5: It doesn't matter where you're from. They want to come here.
Speaker 2: They want to live here, regardless of how great or
Speaker 2: not great that it may be in some areas. Now
Speaker 2: imagine that same perception.
Speaker 3: Mixed with.
Speaker 2: The way of life being seventy five years in the
Speaker 2: future and us being the only places like that.
Speaker 1: Letting time destroy everything.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean not only that, dude, Like we've talked
Speaker 2: about this several times too, I mean look at like Chernobyl, Dude,
Speaker 2: like in a hundred thousand years, like even in a
Speaker 2: couple of thousand years, where like, if everything was just
Speaker 2: left the way that it is, there's going to be
Speaker 2: very little remnants of that we even existed.
Speaker 1: So it's already pretty close to that. At Chernobyl now,
Speaker 1: I mean, it's already pretty close to that. And in
Speaker 1: any I mean look at Detroit. Look at some of
Speaker 1: the neighborhoods in Detroit. They're just grown over with trees
Speaker 1: and it looks like something from the last of us
Speaker 1: and that's only been a few decades.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Left if everybody were to be wiped off from the
Speaker 2: face of the planet right now, let's say no nuclear one,
Speaker 2: but we just all disappeared, We're just all gone. What
Speaker 2: do you think that things are going to look like
Speaker 2: in two hundred years?
Speaker 1: Well, see, this is what you're.
Speaker 2: Going to look like in a thousand years, and then
Speaker 2: quadruple that, what is it going to look like in
Speaker 2: one hundred thousand years.
Speaker 1: Here's those pictures of the Turkish underground carved kind of
Speaker 1: I guess you could call it a city. I think
Speaker 1: many people do classified as a city, Darren Couu, And
Speaker 1: it makes me think of I think I have pictures
Speaker 1: of the g can here in Tokyo. I'm sure you've
Speaker 1: seen this too, writer. Look at this. They call this
Speaker 1: the temple, and they built this under the city of
Speaker 1: Tokyo without anybody really knowing it. And it's not like
Speaker 1: a conspiracy. It's a water flood prevention system. It transports
Speaker 1: massive quantities of water. But they call that the temple.
Speaker 1: And so if you I don't know what to think
Speaker 1: of the situation in Turkey at the tunnels, but if
Speaker 1: you were to compare the two, I look at these
Speaker 1: images and I think, okay, So just just for as
Speaker 1: it just a thought experiment. So the world's destroyed, things
Speaker 1: get buried, things get covered up, whatever happens, and we
Speaker 1: go back and we find something in the future. Today
Speaker 1: we find Darren Koyu and we look at it and
Speaker 1: we don't really know what it is. It's what we
Speaker 1: call it a city. I mean, how much different does
Speaker 1: that look than the temple the g cans in Tokyo.
Speaker 1: It kind of has a similar feel to it to me.
Speaker 1: For all we know, that could have been what it
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think that's what it was. It
Speaker 1: has rooms. I'm just saying it could have been something
Speaker 1: like that. We have no idea. So in the future,
Speaker 1: when someone discovers this, they're going to think it's probably
Speaker 1: a religious center, when it's really just a water transport
Speaker 1: system to prevent flooding.
Speaker 2: We have that would probably that would probably be the
Speaker 2: only thing that would survive in a cataclus.
Speaker 1: It probably would here in Japan if there was a
Speaker 1: cataclysmic global event like that. This is probably one of
Speaker 1: the few things that would survive. It's already underground, it's
Speaker 1: already protected, and it would just be filled up and
Speaker 1: maybe it would be discovered at some point one hundred thousand,
Speaker 1: two thousand years ago or two hund thousand years in
Speaker 1: the future. Rather so, I don't know those those kinds
Speaker 1: of things as thought experiments make me question even some
Speaker 1: of the alternative narratives about stuff like this. We just
Speaker 1: we really don't I really don't know it. And maybe
Speaker 1: in some ways it feels like we've taken a different
Speaker 1: approach to the second half of tonight's show. But I
Speaker 1: think that we can connect these things together because, like
Speaker 1: I said, we were taught. I think we started talking
Speaker 1: about this writer because we were saying that all the
Speaker 1: brilliant people in these programs were taken out and put
Speaker 1: into the military or put into the even into the press,
Speaker 1: like some of the listeners in the chat were saying,
Speaker 1: but put into corporations, recruited into these businesses. And that's
Speaker 1: why it feels like we're so behind in technology because
Speaker 1: everything is done underground, literally and figuratively and behind the scenes,
Speaker 1: and in other parts of the world that's not necessarily
Speaker 1: the case. And so we have we have a vast
Speaker 1: amount of technological development that's probably quite literally under our feet,
Speaker 1: well if you're in America, under your feet. And whatever
Speaker 1: the reason, whatever the purpose is, it might just a theory.
Speaker 1: It might be a result of those special programs for
Speaker 1: kids of recruiting those people generationally to be able to
Speaker 1: construct and to build this stuff. And I don't again,
Speaker 1: whatever the reason is, I don't know if it's war,
Speaker 1: if it's natural disaster. It's possible that it's a natural disaster.
Speaker 1: I mean, they keep estimating. There's another study that came
Speaker 1: out I think it was back in twenty twenty three
Speaker 1: where they estimate that there have been massive impacts on
Speaker 1: planet Earth less than every hundred thousand years. I mean
Speaker 1: they estimate now it's like it could be one or
Speaker 1: two per one hundred thousand years, like we're probably overdue
Speaker 1: for an impact, or we're close to being due for
Speaker 1: an impact of like an earth changing, earth shattering, civilization
Speaker 1: ending strike of something. And perhaps these people know that
Speaker 1: and that's what for decades they've known it, so they've
Speaker 1: built constructed this. I don't know if that is the case.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying that's I guess that's a poser. It
Speaker 1: also could just be people that think that they're far
Speaker 1: superior to everybody else, like Voltech, that they want to
Speaker 1: manage the end of the world, and so they've prepared
Speaker 1: for it, whatever it is. I don't know. It's a speculation,
Speaker 1: but I think it does connect to the Gifted Children
Speaker 1: programs because I think those are the people probably involved
Speaker 1: in constructing a lot of this stuff to some extent.
Speaker 2: Well, that's what we got the Space Force, Ryan, That's
Speaker 2: what we got the Space Force for. It's gonna take
Speaker 2: out that asteroid, bro and knock that asteroid right off course.
Speaker 2: I think that if any life altering, life changing catastrophe
Speaker 2: ever happens, is going to be done on purpose. I
Speaker 2: think they'll they'll do it on purpose. It'll be altered
Speaker 2: to happen. I mean, have you read that Adam and
Speaker 2: eve Bia document.
Speaker 1: No, I didn't. I know what it is, but I
Speaker 1: don't know what to think of that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a document by the CIA. They basically talks
Speaker 2: about this huge cataclysm that's going to happen sometime in
Speaker 2: the future and the only people that are going to
Speaker 2: survive are going to be on the surface, will be
Speaker 2: We'll have to be in Colorado around the Rocky Mountains.
Speaker 1: I'm sure people would would like me to say Denver Airport,
Speaker 1: Denver Airport, Denver Airport, Denver Airport, Denver report. That gets
Speaker 1: people excited. Well, that is that because of the height
Speaker 1: the light of Denver.
Speaker 2: They believe that it's going to be a huge flood, tide,
Speaker 2: a wave, tsunami, some kind of giant flood, sort of
Speaker 2: like in the Day After Tomorrow, which is one of
Speaker 2: my favorite Catastrophe Into the World movies, where a giant
Speaker 2: flood comes through, wipes everything out and then there's a
Speaker 2: huge freeze.
Speaker 1: We are reportedly, since twenty fifteen, were supposed to be
Speaker 1: as a planet heading toward a miniature ice age. And
Speaker 1: we're also report I mean, we're supposed to get a
Speaker 1: close close call from apafas in the next ten years too,
Speaker 1: the early twenty thirties. I think it's like twenty twenty
Speaker 1: thirty two. I should double check that. And I think
Speaker 1: we're also supposed to see Apofus. Actually it's twenty twenty
Speaker 1: nine roughly, and I think it's twenty thirty two. We're
Speaker 1: supposed to go through a very dangerous part of the
Speaker 1: of the Solar System that has been associated with previous
Speaker 1: cataclysmic events impacts from large objects. I can't imagine anything
Speaker 1: else being able to create those kinds of tidal waves.
Speaker 2: Will be a second electro Magnetti field where the Earth
Speaker 2: is going to be in like in alignment with other
Speaker 2: planets and is going to create another a secondary electro
Speaker 2: magnete field.
Speaker 1: No, I'm not speaking of that. I'm talking about I
Speaker 1: don't remember the name of the actual I think it's
Speaker 1: an asteroid belt, but that in twenty thirty two there's
Speaker 1: a relatively high chance, and that might also have to
Speaker 1: do with Apophas. I think Apophas is supposed to come
Speaker 1: by twice that there's a very high possibility that there's
Speaker 1: an impact. I think it's like one in forty that
Speaker 1: there's a massive impact on Earth in the next forty.
Speaker 1: I think it's four years, but then if it doesn't happen,
Speaker 1: then it would happen in twenty thirty two, twenty thirty
Speaker 1: three to thirty four, somewhere around there. I'm not an
Speaker 1: expert on this, so these are just things that I've read,
Speaker 1: but one in forty is a really really high chance
Speaker 1: or really high possibility of something like that happening. In fact,
Speaker 1: there was just a meteor that came down over Japan
Speaker 1: two days ago. I think it wasn't a big fireball,
Speaker 1: and that kind of stuff just happens, and I don't frankly,
Speaker 1: I don't think that if something like this was going
Speaker 1: to impact the Earth. I don't think that anybody would
Speaker 1: ever be I don't think we'd be informed. I think
Speaker 1: that they would have a knowledge of this, and I
Speaker 1: think that it would probably just be just be preserved
Speaker 1: for a very select few. And I mean by the
Speaker 1: time it hits, there's nothing that you can do about it.
Speaker 1: It annihilates the planet in a matter of hours really,
Speaker 1: so there's there's no reason to even inform people. I
Speaker 1: don't know, it's just speculation, it's not something that really
Speaker 1: it's not intended to scare people it's just I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't know what other explanation they would have for
Speaker 1: building such things twenty one trillion dollars of underground facilities.
Speaker 1: Is that the Greenbrier didn't cost a trillion dollars. So
Speaker 1: we're talking about US cities, We're talking about building an
Speaker 1: entirely different country underground. What that could be used for
Speaker 1: and what they have down there? I mean to help
Speaker 1: I do. You're a good person to talk with this about.
Speaker 1: Maybe a writer. Maybe those stories about Dulce and Area
Speaker 1: fifty one and S two and S four and Nightmember,
Speaker 1: Nightmare Hall, maybe all that stuff's true. Maybe maybe maybe
Speaker 1: they are aliens. I don't know. That's what. What was
Speaker 1: that movie A Captive State with John Goodman? Did you
Speaker 1: see that?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 1: And they had to build these massive underground cities for
Speaker 1: the aliens because they couldn't live in our atmosphere.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And they had to go underneath the ocean to
Speaker 2: communicate with the aliens.
Speaker 1: Yep, yep, that's right. John Goodman took that. It was
Speaker 1: like an elevator thing or I don't know what it was,
Speaker 1: but he had to take that elevator down through the
Speaker 1: and had to have like an atmospheric suit on a
Speaker 1: breathing system because they couldn't breathe in the alien atmosphere.
Speaker 1: And they worked behind the scenes. You never saw them,
Speaker 1: they never made an appearance, but they controlled all the
Speaker 1: governments because they had extremely advanced technology. You could fight them.
Speaker 1: They were building all those underground cities. Tell you what
Speaker 1: truth is stranger than fiction. It's very very interesting to
Speaker 1: think about. Well, being an expective guy, but this stuff
Speaker 1: is really interesting to me.
Speaker 2: Go ahead, sorry, I think that the cover story for
Speaker 2: anything is aliens, right, Like, if there's any kind of
Speaker 2: truth to underground bases and all that stuff, it's underground
Speaker 2: military bases used for some kind of fall shorter experimentation,
Speaker 2: doing these freaking AI human embryos and creating AI wombs
Speaker 2: and making children and all that, which is really interesting
Speaker 2: because that's kind of like what the Son of Sam.
Speaker 2: I know, you're familiar with The Son of Sam. I
Speaker 2: watched the new documentary on Netflix the other day, and well,
Speaker 2: before I get into that, you know about the world's fars, right,
Speaker 2: and the orphan trains, Like where did all these freaking
Speaker 2: orphans come from? Why were there so many orphans running around?
Speaker 2: Why were there so many babies in these freaking incubators,
Speaker 2: and that you could buy a baby. You could literally
Speaker 2: go to the World's Fair and buy a baby.
Speaker 1: I don't see. We've never talked about this, and I
Speaker 1: would need to know additional context. But I don't think
Speaker 1: that it's necessarily as strange as it might appear, because
Speaker 1: you can already, if you have enough money today, you
Speaker 1: can already do this. It's not maybe as public because
Speaker 1: it's more for the wealthy, but you can go to
Speaker 1: I think there are companies in China for sure. I'm
Speaker 1: sure they're in the US too. You can pay to
Speaker 1: have a baby designed. I mean they actually call them.
Speaker 1: I can pull up the article they call them designer babies,
Speaker 1: so you can essentially buy test Tube designer babies already today.
Speaker 1: I mean these are stories from like ten years ago
Speaker 1: too that I was reading about this, So I mean,
Speaker 1: if we're talking about maybe lost technology, I mean, I
Speaker 1: don't believe that everything we've learned about history is accurate.
Speaker 1: It's very possible that something equivalent to this was happening
Speaker 1: in those days as well. I mean, there's all sorts
Speaker 1: of different stories about this. In fact, some people have
Speaker 1: been jailed for doing that.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, absolutely, but it's like, where did all these
Speaker 2: babies come from? Why are there so many orphans, what
Speaker 2: are they doing? Why are they all in these incubators.
Speaker 2: And there was this whole network surrounding this kind of
Speaker 2: stuff where people were told that their parents had died.
Speaker 2: They were told their entire life that their real parents were,
Speaker 2: that their real parents died, but they really didn't die.
Speaker 2: And so it seems like a program that's like running,
Speaker 2: like just.
Speaker 1: Like parents that sometimes are told their kids died, but
Speaker 1: the kids didn't.
Speaker 3: Die exactly, it's exactly right. But it seems like this.
Speaker 2: Program where okay, well we'll artificially create all of these kids,
Speaker 2: will genetically engineer them, will crisper them up. You can
Speaker 2: purchase these babies, but you have to tell them a
Speaker 2: certain thing. You're obviously not their real parents, and if
Speaker 2: you ever want to tell them that you're not their
Speaker 2: real parents, you got to tell.
Speaker 5: Them that their parents, their real parents, died.
Speaker 2: And it sounds like a program, like something that is
Speaker 2: something very nefarious behind that. And that's what happened to
Speaker 2: the son of Sam Killer now, regardless if you believe
Speaker 2: that he's actually the one that did it, because there's
Speaker 2: a lot of theories and conspiracies around it, but that's
Speaker 2: what happened to him. He was told that his parents
Speaker 2: had died. He got involved with this network in New
Speaker 2: York of all these people, and he was like, I
Speaker 2: want to find out about my mom. And he said.
Speaker 2: The people asked them, oh, well, what happened to your mom,
Speaker 2: and he said, well, she died. And then the people
Speaker 2: that were doing the interview or whatever to figure out
Speaker 2: about his parents just laughed and he said, why are
Speaker 2: you laughing, And they said, we've all been told.
Speaker 1: That same story. I want you to look at this
Speaker 1: actually took you off the screen. Here we go. I
Speaker 1: want you to look at this writer. So this was
Speaker 1: the like a year ago where they the Department of
Speaker 1: Homeland Security estimated three hundred thousand immigrant children were missing.
Speaker 1: That's just immigrant children, three hundred thousand. This is world
Speaker 1: population review. This is a really small underestimate. But this
Speaker 1: is for all fifty states. So just so far this year,
Speaker 1: there have been twenty five thousand, five hundred and forty
Speaker 1: four missing kids. Now, like with UFOs, this is just
Speaker 1: my assessment. So if you have a different opinion, let
Speaker 1: me hear it. But if you have, like the UFO subject,
Speaker 1: if you sit there and try to explain away what's
Speaker 1: actually happening here, you have Most of the time, when
Speaker 1: kids go missing or when kids are kidnapped, they're usually
Speaker 1: with people that they know. They're with parents, they're with
Speaker 1: an uncle, they're with a cousin, there was somebody that
Speaker 1: they know a lot of. I mean, because you consider
Speaker 1: kidnapping cases to also be when you know, maybe the
Speaker 1: father or the mother takes the child when they're not
Speaker 1: legally supposed to, that's considered kidnapping. Know that the kid
Speaker 1: doesn't disappear, they're with a parent, but it's just it's
Speaker 1: still called kidnapping. You take them across state lines. So
Speaker 1: when you sit there and you go through all of
Speaker 1: the Okay, that's an airplane, that's swamp gas, that kind
Speaker 1: of stuff, which I think that's a joke. But when
Speaker 1: you go through all that stuff, you do get a
Speaker 1: handful of cases, and in this case, probably tens of
Speaker 1: thousands of cases that are not explainable. Same thing with
Speaker 1: people missing in the woods. Yet, it's very easy to
Speaker 1: go missing in the woods, but it's usually not the
Speaker 1: case where you go missing in one place and within
Speaker 1: a short period of time, they find you three hundred
Speaker 1: miles away, or they find a kid. There's a case
Speaker 1: in the Carolina's a couple of years ago where this
Speaker 1: kid went missing from the backyard around other people. It
Speaker 1: just vanished, and then they found him. They looked for
Speaker 1: his remember the story. They looked for him for three days,
Speaker 1: freezing rain. There was even I think minor flooding, freezing rain,
Speaker 1: freezing temperatures, and the kid not only survived, but it
Speaker 1: was like nothing had even happened to him. He was
Speaker 1: tangled up in a bush in outside the fence of
Speaker 1: where the property was in the woods. But they had police,
Speaker 1: they had family, They looked for this kid. They looked
Speaker 1: throughout the whole area and could not find him. I mean,
Speaker 1: that might that's a whole other subject. But I guess
Speaker 1: the point of what I'm getting at here, other than
Speaker 1: that there's a lot of different reasons for why these
Speaker 1: things might happen, is that when if you're talking about
Speaker 1: orphan trains, the context of that is kind of like
Speaker 1: you know, World War Two and the stories of gulags
Speaker 1: or concentration camps. Most of the time we're talking about
Speaker 1: estimated numbers, and we're also talking about a lot of
Speaker 1: times we just see pictures and if you see a
Speaker 1: picture of a bunch of kids, or you see a
Speaker 1: picture what we call the orphan trains or whatever the
Speaker 1: case might be, once you verify the pictures real, you know.
Speaker 1: I think the difference between a few cases of that
Speaker 1: and then the hundreds of thousands of people that go
Speaker 1: missing for other reasons, I think that there's probably a
Speaker 1: logical This is just my assessment. I think there's probably
Speaker 1: a logical reasoning, a logical explanation for those things that
Speaker 1: are not necessarily part of some larger conspiracy. And again,
Speaker 1: I think that because today in the modern world where
Speaker 1: we track everything, everything is tracked. I mean, there are
Speaker 1: close to half a million just in the US immigrant
Speaker 1: and people that are citizens kids that go miss and
Speaker 1: that's today, and you don't see them on orphan trains,
Speaker 1: you don't see them in these programs. Things go underground.
Speaker 1: I think we're just so in my opinion, I think
Speaker 1: we're just so used to seeing things like we have
Speaker 1: access to so much information that if we don't see
Speaker 1: it directly, it must be part of some larger conspiracy,
Speaker 1: or if we don't, we don't know the context of
Speaker 1: something from the past. Because we just learned it, it
Speaker 1: must be part of some larger conspiracy. I'm not saying
Speaker 1: it's not. I just think that when you compare it
Speaker 1: to the number of people that go missing today, which
Speaker 1: is far more than what missing in the past, or
Speaker 1: people that were orphaned or whatever the case was, there's
Speaker 1: I think there's probably a rational, logical, bizarre reason for that.
Speaker 1: That's just my assessment, but go ahead, please.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that even the stranger ones is the
Speaker 2: people that go missing and disappear in the forest and
Speaker 2: the people are looking for them for a really long time,
Speaker 2: and then their remains are found where they had been
Speaker 2: searched for for Yes, that that's really really weird. And
Speaker 2: some of the survivors from the missing for one one,
Speaker 2: and some of the most interesting ones, like some of
Speaker 2: the kids that has survived it, how really interesting stories.
Speaker 2: There's one of this kid that went missing for a
Speaker 2: while and said that his dead grandma took him into
Speaker 2: an underground facility. We had like all these weapons and
Speaker 2: all this stuff, and like there was like robots and
Speaker 2: stuff down there and she stayed with them. Yeah, that
Speaker 2: one's wild. Then there's a h another one of a
Speaker 2: kid that his grandma heard him like in the distance,
Speaker 2: and he was missing for like a really long time,
Speaker 2: and then he was just he was found in like
Speaker 2: a cave that was like laying down on like a
Speaker 2: bunch of leaves. He said that there was like a
Speaker 2: like a big hairy man that helped him.
Speaker 1: That I remember that, and there's a story similar to
Speaker 1: that back in the eighteen hundreds. I forget the girl's name,
Speaker 1: maybe Mary or something, but she said that something. I
Speaker 1: mean that was one hundred, one hundred years plus ago,
Speaker 1: and she said something very similar. You know, some large
Speaker 1: hairy type, maybe a bigfoot type creature looked after I
Speaker 1: think the kid in Carolina said something similar to that too.
Speaker 1: In fact, let me if I can find that. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: here it is. I just found it. This is I'll
Speaker 1: bring this up on the screen. Let's see if I
Speaker 1: can find the Actually that article is not loading. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So the kid's name was it was Casey Hathaway. And
Speaker 1: he said something maybe that's maybe that's what you're referring to,
Speaker 1: or it's a separate story. Casey Hathaway claims friendly bear,
Speaker 1: A friendly bear looked after him. Yes, this is the
Speaker 1: kid that was found tangled in like a bush, but
Speaker 1: he said that the bear took care of him. It's
Speaker 1: almost like a bigfoot type thing I found also. So
Speaker 1: this is from the National Council for Adoption, just to
Speaker 1: provide some context to the orphan trains, which they say
Speaker 1: was like it was like a welfare program, right, the
Speaker 1: orphan trains to transport kids from crowded cities to foster homes.
Speaker 1: That's what they claim that it is. But I'm just
Speaker 1: trying to be logical about this. So this is today,
Speaker 1: This is modern data. The historical data, I'm sure it's
Speaker 1: a lot more difficult to come by, but the National
Speaker 1: Council for Adoption estimates there are three hundred and forty
Speaker 1: three thousand, seventy seven children in care and that's just
Speaker 1: legal foster care trying to get kids adopted. That's over
Speaker 1: a quarter of a million kids. So I mean, just
Speaker 1: think about that. If you were to take a port
Speaker 1: just a tiny percentage of those kids and you were
Speaker 1: to move them by train, which we wouldn't do today
Speaker 1: because we have would fly them probably or bust them.
Speaker 1: But if you would have put them on a train
Speaker 1: and take some pictures of that, you could come up
Speaker 1: with the same type of imagery as these as these
Speaker 1: orphan trains, you could come up with the same idea
Speaker 1: that without contacts, like, oh, there's some larger conspiracy here.
Speaker 1: But today we have over quarter million kids that are
Speaker 1: an orphan, that are orphans. I'm just again, I'm trying
Speaker 1: to bring some some reasoning to this, but I'm also right.
Speaker 2: But the thing is is orphan means that you don't
Speaker 2: have a mother or a father. That's what an orphan means. Yes,
Speaker 2: these people that are in foster care doesn't mean that
Speaker 2: their orphans. It means that they were either taken away
Speaker 2: they were unruly kids and unruly childs. They were taken away.
Speaker 5: From their parents.
Speaker 4: Doesn't mean that their parents, that they don't have parents,
Speaker 4: or their parents are as orphans. Something completely different. And
Speaker 4: that brings up another thing. The teen behavioral modification camps
Speaker 4: that started in Utah, Okay. That's a very real thing.
Speaker 4: Kidnapping kids in the middle of the night. Their parents
Speaker 4: paid these companies large sums of money to come and
Speaker 4: kidnap their kid out of their bed in the middle
Speaker 4: of the night, throw handcuffs on them, throw them into
Speaker 4: the to the back of a black as suv and
Speaker 4: take them to one of these teen behavioral modification schools.
Speaker 4: And that started in Utah. It was a camp, but
Speaker 4: there's a documentary about it on Netflix. It's called Hell Camp.
Speaker 4: That's kind of where it started. And then it evolved
Speaker 4: out of that and then became like boarding schools and
Speaker 4: like these schools in like Upstate New York and Ivy
Speaker 4: Ridge and Provo Canyon, which Paris Hilton went to in
Speaker 4: Utah as well. It's it's a teen behavioral modification and
Speaker 4: it seems like that it's also m k Ultra as well.
Speaker 1: Like you would probably go, I'm sorry, go ahead, go ahead.
Speaker 2: Now, I'm just saying that they would traumatize them and
Speaker 2: make them do things they would like conform them to
Speaker 2: like well, and they were locked down. They weren't able
Speaker 2: to leave there. And a lot of them were there
Speaker 2: until they were eighteen years old, until they and they
Speaker 2: got a fake diploma. Their diplomas weren't even real, they
Speaker 2: were fake diplomas. So they were there. They would learn
Speaker 2: from a computer seven days a week. There were no teachers.
Speaker 2: They would do everything. They would learn everything from a computer.
Speaker 2: Then whenever they were getting ready to graduate, then they
Speaker 2: could leave once they turned eighteen, they were you know,
Speaker 2: officially an adult, and they wouldn't be able to be
Speaker 2: held there against their will anymore because they're an adult.
Speaker 2: Then they would be given a diploma that wasn't even
Speaker 2: a real diploma. It's so sickening.
Speaker 1: That is so bizarre. I've heard about that. Maybe you
Speaker 1: told me about that one time. I was also, so
Speaker 1: I looked up. You're right, there's a obviously there's a
Speaker 1: diference between orphans and people in the foster care system.
Speaker 1: But there's an estimate in the US. We just have
Speaker 1: an estimate. We don't know for sure, but it's like
Speaker 1: two point I think it's two point one million according
Speaker 1: to Nature Medicine and twenty twenty one two point let
Speaker 1: me double check this. Two point nine million orphans in
Speaker 1: the US. So there's actually more orphans than there are
Speaker 1: kids in the foster care system. There are a lot
Speaker 1: of orphans today too. Plus, I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 1: You got to think about the time period in which
Speaker 1: that orphan trained thing was happening. If we're talking about
Speaker 1: the mid eighteen hundreds to the early nineteen hundreds, you're
Speaker 1: talking about a time when we still had not perfected
Speaker 1: we haven't even done it today, but perfected hygiene and
Speaker 1: you know, sanitation. So and people worked ridiculous hours. Kids
Speaker 1: worked in factories, and parents didn't always come home from factories,
Speaker 1: and so a lot of kids might have been orphaned
Speaker 1: because their parents died at Ork or died in terrible conditions.
Speaker 1: I mean, you look at like New My god, if
Speaker 1: you look at New York, London was worse. But if
Speaker 1: you look New York in the eighteen hundreds and the
Speaker 1: early nineteen hundreds, I mean it was a shanty town.
Speaker 1: People literally lived in like sewage ridden basements. There's like
Speaker 1: sewage on the floor, it's disgusting. Like a family of
Speaker 1: fifteen twenty people extended family would share one toilet that
Speaker 1: didn't even flush half the time. So that could also
Speaker 1: contribute to why there were so many orphans. There's so
Speaker 1: many people that I'm just trying to look at it
Speaker 1: from a different point of view, is all that I'm saying.
Speaker 1: But the other stuff that you're adding, I agree with you.
Speaker 1: And that's the reason we had, you know, the show
Speaker 1: set up for tonight, because a lot of people do
Speaker 1: get drawn into those types of experiments and programs, and
Speaker 1: I think it just makes logical sense that those kinds
Speaker 1: of things exist because of what we do publicly to kids,
Speaker 1: what we do publicly to adults. Why wouldn't this stuff
Speaker 1: be done behind the scenes. Anyway, I just I don't personally,
Speaker 1: I don't buy the orphan train conspiracy, whatever that might be.
Speaker 1: But I just I wanted to add that we could
Speaker 1: talk about the world's fair stuff because I have some
Speaker 1: perspectives on that, But anyway, go ahead.
Speaker 2: No, It's just interesting that no one ever has figured
Speaker 2: out where the kids came from, Like where did the
Speaker 2: babies come from? Why were there so many babies, why
Speaker 2: were they all in incubators? And why could you buy
Speaker 2: a baby? And why did people act like they had
Speaker 2: never seen a baby before in their lives. A very
Speaker 2: strange amount of things that are going on there. And
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that there is any conspiracies about it,
Speaker 2: but if you're talking about a repopulation of the world
Speaker 2: after a global cataclysm, that's what you would do. You
Speaker 2: would put babies out for sale because you needed to
Speaker 2: repopulate the world and give babies, And there would be
Speaker 2: all these orphans right that came from wherever, And if
Speaker 2: you look at like the whole thing of the you know,
Speaker 2: the Sumerian kings list and how it was all you know,
Speaker 2: after a big cataclysm, they would you know, ordaining a
Speaker 2: person and they would bring back down the knowledge, you know.
Speaker 2: I mean, maybe that's not something that's like literal. Maybe
Speaker 2: that's meaning like a receding of the population. Maybe that's
Speaker 2: not like like knowledge like we think that it means.
Speaker 2: Maybe it's like an actual receding of people because they've
Speaker 2: all died, whether that be a cataclysm, a sickness or whatever,
Speaker 2: they were just all wiped out and then the population
Speaker 2: needed to be reseated again. It's interesting. I'm not saying
Speaker 2: that it's fact or even that I believe it. I
Speaker 2: just think that it's an interesting theory in an interesting
Speaker 2: proposition to have but one percent the kidnapping the children
Speaker 2: has happened. It's you know, that was a part of
Speaker 2: the team behavioral modification camps and the schools that is real,
Speaker 2: which is a part of the Institute TV series in
Speaker 2: on MGM plus. Like that's how it opens up. Is
Speaker 2: a kid being kidnapped out of his bed at his
Speaker 2: parents' house. That's verifiable. We have the document that I
Speaker 2: just showed you that. You know, it's kind of speculation
Speaker 2: whether the sun Street document, whether that has to do
Speaker 2: with you know, SRI actually testing kids. We have what
Speaker 2: people are being triggered with, which is the voice of
Speaker 2: the Monroe Institute Gatewight Gateway tapes, the Hemi sync tapes.
Speaker 2: That is verifiable. How people are remembering the Gateway Hemi
Speaker 2: sync tapes in public school Who knows how did that happen?
Speaker 2: Did the SRI have a contract with the Monroe Institute,
Speaker 2: The Monroe Institute have a contract with the government, which
Speaker 2: then in turn would be a contract with the public
Speaker 2: schools and the education system. I mean, that would be
Speaker 2: the way to do it. You would test these kids
Speaker 2: in a public setting. You would tell their parents that
Speaker 2: they were part of some sort of that they're very
Speaker 2: special or they're very stupid. Depending on what state that
Speaker 2: you're in, and depending on the conditions and the way
Speaker 2: that they were raised, the type of trauma that they
Speaker 2: would have, you would give a different explanation depending on
Speaker 2: where in the country you're raised and born and where
Speaker 2: you live. Then it would bring that. Then that way
Speaker 2: you can get all the smart kids and the people
Speaker 2: that could make any great, large impact out of the
Speaker 2: out from keeping any kind of innovation, So then you
Speaker 2: would have them working for you, and you would be
Speaker 2: able to stifle any kind of real change that could
Speaker 2: possibly be made in the future. And that's just one
Speaker 2: level to it. That's just one layer to the whole thing.
Speaker 2: There's many other layers to it that I haven't quite
Speaker 2: nailed down yet, but that's my first one. Because several
Speaker 2: people like I mentioned that I've talked to a Chris
Speaker 2: christn what's up? Why does writer look like he's in
Speaker 2: the basement, always always in the basement routs because I
Speaker 2: have I don't.
Speaker 1: Have any lights on bunkers.
Speaker 2: I mean, I've been in the seven trillion dollar made
Speaker 2: underground bunkers that.
Speaker 1: They cost twenty one dollars, not twenty one trillion, that's right.
Speaker 3: Twenty one abouteen hunder bucks, about fifty.
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