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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the quark Side. Quantum Physics Podcast, an exploration

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<v Speaker 1>of the fundamental structure of reality, where quantum laws govern matter, energy,

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<v Speaker 1>and information. Here, uncertainty is a feature, not a flaw,

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<v Speaker 1>and understanding begins at the smallest scales.

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<v Speaker 2>Happy Valentine's Day. It is Saturday, February fourteenth, twenty twenty six.

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<v Speaker 2>And look, I know exactly what you're thinking.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, I think they do two.

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<v Speaker 2>You're expecting us to pivot into. I don't know the

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<v Speaker 2>chemistry of oxytocin, or maybe the socioeconomic history of the

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<v Speaker 2>greeting card industry.

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<v Speaker 3>Or maybe why we give people roses which are covered

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<v Speaker 3>in thorns. Seems like a mixed.

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<v Speaker 2>Message, exactly a thorny flower as the ultimate symbol of affection.

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<v Speaker 2>But we are going in a completely completely different direction.

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<v Speaker 3>Today, a very very different direction.

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<v Speaker 2>While the rest of the world is focusing on love,

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<v Speaker 2>we're focusing on something well arguably more fundamental to the

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<v Speaker 2>human experience, even if it sounds a lot less romantic.

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<v Speaker 2>We are talking about precision, We're talking about order. We

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<v Speaker 2>are talking about the ticking of the clock, but not

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<v Speaker 2>just any clock. We are diving into a story that

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<v Speaker 2>broke well essential yesterday about a strange, complicated, and frankly

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<v Speaker 2>mind mending relationship between physics and time itself.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a story about order, chaos and a state of

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<v Speaker 3>matter that until very recently, and by recently I mean

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<v Speaker 3>the last decade, people didn't even think could exist.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 3>In fact, some very smart people proved it couldn't.

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<v Speaker 2>Exist until they were proven wrong.

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<v Speaker 3>Until they are proven wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly, we are talking about time crystals. And before you

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<v Speaker 2>hit pause or you know, roll your eyes, I need to.

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<v Speaker 3>Make a disclaimer necessary one.

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<v Speaker 2>No, we are not talking about an infinity stone from

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<v Speaker 2>a Marvel movie. We aren't talking about a plot device

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<v Speaker 2>from Doctor Who or some mystical New age healing stone

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<v Speaker 2>you buy on Etsy to align your chakras.

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<v Speaker 3>Although to be fair, the name time crystal does sound

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<v Speaker 3>incredibly sci fi.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh it's perfect sci fi.

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<v Speaker 3>It sounds like something you'd find in a bad paperback

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<v Speaker 3>novel from the nineteen seventies.

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<v Speaker 2>It sounds totally made up. It sounds like flux capacitor.

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<v Speaker 2>But it is hard science. We are talking about a

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<v Speaker 2>new state of matter that breaks the rules of how

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<v Speaker 2>we think structure and time actually work, and the reason

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<v Speaker 2>we are talking about it today is because of our

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<v Speaker 2>report that just came out.

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<v Speaker 3>That's right. This comes from a report published yesterday February thirteen,

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<v Speaker 3>twenty twenty six, on fizz dot org, written by Sam Jarman.

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<v Speaker 3>But the core of our discussion, the meat on the bone,

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<v Speaker 3>is based on a new study published in Physical Review Letters.

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<v Speaker 2>Which, for those who don't follow the academic publishing horse race,

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<v Speaker 2>is pretty much the heavy hitter of physics journals.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, it's the top tier.

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<v Speaker 2>If you're publishing in PRL, you aren't just speculating, you've

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<v Speaker 2>got the receipts.

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<v Speaker 3>It is the gold standard. The research was led by

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<v Speaker 3>lu Milaviati at the Abdessalam International Center for Theoretical Physics

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<v Speaker 3>in Italy, and what they have put for word is well.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a blueprint, a blueprint for what exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>Or a clock, but not a clock like the one

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<v Speaker 3>on your wall or even the one on your phone.

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<v Speaker 3>They are proposing a quantum clock built on the backbone

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<v Speaker 3>of these time crystals.

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<v Speaker 2>So our mission today is to unpack this. We need

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<v Speaker 2>to understand what these exotic systems are, and that is

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<v Speaker 2>the technical term exotic, which usually means we don't fully

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<v Speaker 2>understand it yet.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, it's physics code for it.

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<v Speaker 2>This is weird and how they could revolutionize everything from

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<v Speaker 2>how we navigate the globe to how we detect magnetic fields.

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<v Speaker 3>And honestly, it touches on the fundamental limits of quantum mechanics.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not just about knowing what time it is. It's

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<v Speaker 3>about understanding the nature of time itself and how we

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<v Speaker 3>measure it against the background of a chaotic universe.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, that is a big promise. But before we get

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<v Speaker 2>to the philosophy, we have to get through the physics.

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<v Speaker 2>And I want to do this right. We aren't going

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<v Speaker 2>to skim the surface today.

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<v Speaker 3>Noh, let's get into the weeds.

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<v Speaker 2>We are going to get into the weeds because that's

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<v Speaker 2>where the interesting stuff is. So let's start at the

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<v Speaker 2>very beginning. The phrase time crystal. It combines two words

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<v Speaker 2>we know, but puts them together in a way that

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<v Speaker 2>feels wrong.

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<v Speaker 3>It does feel wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>We know what a crystal is, diamonds, quartz, salt, ice, right,

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<v Speaker 2>but when a physicist says crystal, what are they actually defining?

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<v Speaker 2>Because I assume they aren't talking about jewelry.

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<v Speaker 3>So yeah, let's strip away the aesthetic aspect. Yeah, in

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<v Speaker 3>condensed matter physics, A crystal is defined very simply as

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<v Speaker 3>a system that breaks spatial translation symmetry.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, you drop the s word early symmetry. We need

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<v Speaker 2>to unpack that immediately. What does it mean to break

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<v Speaker 2>spatial translation symmetry?

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<v Speaker 3>Okay? Imagine you are floating in an infinite empty void,

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<v Speaker 3>or simpler, imagine a perfectly smooth, infinite pool of water.

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<v Speaker 3>It is completely uniform. Got it. If you close your

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<v Speaker 3>eyes and I move you three feet to the left

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<v Speaker 3>and you open your eyes, does the world look different, No, it.

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<v Speaker 2>Looks exactly the same.

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<v Speaker 3>It's just more water exactly. That system has continuous spatial

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<v Speaker 3>translation symmetry. The laws of physics and the arrangement of

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<v Speaker 3>matter are the same everywhere. It doesn't matter where you are.

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<v Speaker 3>But now let's freeze that water into ice.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so now we have a solid block.

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<v Speaker 3>But if you zoom in with a microscope, that ice

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<v Speaker 3>isn't smooth anymore. The water molecules have locked into a

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<v Speaker 3>rigid lattice structure a pattern. A pattern. Maybe they are

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<v Speaker 3>arranged in hexagons. Now, if you stand on a molecule

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<v Speaker 3>and I move you a tiny bit to the left, say,

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<v Speaker 3>into the empty space between molecules, does the world look different.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, because now I'm not on a molecule anymore. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>in the gap.

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<v Speaker 3>Correct. But if I move you exactly one lattice unit

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<v Speaker 3>to the last ye, the exact distance between two molecules,

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<v Speaker 3>you land on another molecule and it looks the same again.

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<v Speaker 2>So the symmetry isn't continuous anymore. I can't just move

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<v Speaker 2>any distance and have it look the same.

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<v Speaker 3>That's it.

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<v Speaker 2>I have to move specific, discrete distances to see the

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<v Speaker 2>same pattern exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>The formation of the crystal has broken the continuous symmetry

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<v Speaker 3>of space. It has chosen a specific pattern. It has

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<v Speaker 3>imposed order on the chaos. We call this a crystal,

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<v Speaker 3>a repeating pattern in space.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, of salt, diamonds, checkerboards, they all break spatial symmetry. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>how do we get to a time crystal? Because my

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<v Speaker 2>which I know is wrong.

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<v Speaker 3>That is wrong, but it's a fun image.

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<v Speaker 2>That is a good image.

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<v Speaker 3>No, to understand a time crystal, you have to take

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<v Speaker 3>that same logic we just use for space and apply

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<v Speaker 3>it to time.

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<v Speaker 2>So time has symmetry.

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<v Speaker 3>In physics, yes, we have time translation symmetry. It basically

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<v Speaker 3>means that the laws of physics don't care when you

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<v Speaker 3>run an experiment. If you mix baking soda and vinegar

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<v Speaker 3>today at noon, it bubbles. If you do it tomorrow

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<v Speaker 3>at midnight, it bawls. The same way. The laws are

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<v Speaker 3>constant in time, energy is conserved, the system is stable.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So breaking that symmetry would mean what that the

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<v Speaker 2>laws of physics change.

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<v Speaker 3>Not that the laws change, but that the system itself

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<v Speaker 3>refuses to be constant in time. It means that even

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<v Speaker 3>in its lowest energy state, its most comfortable rested state,

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<v Speaker 3>it is changing. It is moving.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, let's unpack that sattern repeating in time.

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<v Speaker 3>Imagine a material that, instead of looking the same, if

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<v Speaker 3>you look three inches to the left, it.

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<v Speaker 2>Looks the same if you look three seconds later.

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<v Speaker 3>That's exactly it. It has a configuration that oscillates, it

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<v Speaker 3>returns to its original state. It fixed intervals. It has

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<v Speaker 3>a temporal structure. It effectively creates its own timeline. Tick

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<v Speaker 2>But wait, I have to play the skeptic here. Isn't

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<v Speaker 2>that just anything that moves like a clock pendulum repeats

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<v Speaker 2>in time? My heart beats in time. The turn signal

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<v Speaker 2>on my car repeats in time. Why are those not

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<v Speaker 2>time crystals? Why do we need a fancy new term

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<v Speaker 2>for vibration.

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<v Speaker 3>That is the million dollar question, and this is where

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<v Speaker 3>it gets subtle and where we have to talk about thermodynamics.

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<v Speaker 3>A pendulum, a heart, a turn signal. They all need

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<v Speaker 3>energy to keep going. They need fuel. If you stop

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<v Speaker 3>winding the Grandfather clock, the pendulum stops because of friction

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<v Speaker 3>and air resistance. If you stop powering the turn signal,

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<v Speaker 3>the light goes off. They are constantly losing energy to heat.

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<v Speaker 3>They eventually wind down to a stop to equilibrit Right.

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<v Speaker 2>Entropy comes for us. All the universe wants to be

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<v Speaker 2>a lukewarm soup.

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<v Speaker 3>Ideally, yes, yeah. In a standard system, the ground state,

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<v Speaker 3>the state of lowest energy, where the system settles when

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<v Speaker 3>you take away all the heat and excitement. Is static.

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<v Speaker 3>It's motionless, a rock sitting at the bottom of a hill.

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<v Speaker 2>But for a time crystal. You're saying, the ground state

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<v Speaker 2>itself is moving.

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<v Speaker 3>Precisely, a time crystal exhibits this repeating motion, this oscillation

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<v Speaker 3>in its lowest possible energy state. It's not moving because

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<v Speaker 3>you are pushing it. No external force, no external force.

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<v Speaker 3>It's moving, because movement is its natural state of being.

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<v Speaker 3>It breaks time translation symmetry spontaneously.

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<v Speaker 2>WHOA stop there. You just described a system that moves

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<v Speaker 2>forever in its ground state without energy input.

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<v Speaker 3>I did.

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<v Speaker 2>That sounds suspiciously like a perpetual motion machine. And the

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<v Speaker 2>last time I checked, the first law of filmodynamics says

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<v Speaker 2>no free lunch. Why isn't this violating physics?

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<v Speaker 3>I love that you went there, because that was the

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<v Speaker 3>exact controversy when this was first proposed. Image Nobel laureate

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<v Speaker 3>Frank Wilchek propose this idea around twenty twelve, he asked,

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<v Speaker 3>can a system break time symmetry the way a crystal

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<v Speaker 3>breaks space symmetry? And the initial reaction for the community

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<v Speaker 3>was basically, Frank, You've lost it. That's perpetual motion.

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<v Speaker 2>So how is it not? How does it get around that?

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<v Speaker 3>Because of the definition of work, A perpetual motion machine

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<v Speaker 3>is impossible because it claims you can extract energy from

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<v Speaker 3>it forever.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, you can power something with it.

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<v Speaker 3>You can hook it up to a turbine and power

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<v Speaker 3>a light bulb a time crystal cannot do that?

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<v Speaker 2>Why not? If it's moving, surely I can hook a

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<v Speaker 2>gear to it.

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<v Speaker 3>No, because the system is in its ground state, it

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<v Speaker 3>has no excess energy to give you. If you try

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<v Speaker 3>to hook a gear to it, you are interacting with it.

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<v Speaker 3>You're adding resistance that collapses the quantum state. The moment

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<v Speaker 3>you try to extract work, the time crystal breaks, it

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<v Speaker 3>stops being a time crystal. So it moves forever, but

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<v Speaker 3>it's useless for powering your car.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's a closed loop.

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<v Speaker 3>It's closed loop. It violates no laws because it generates

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So Willcheck proposes this in twenty twelve, everyone says, maybe,

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<v Speaker 2>then what happened because you mentioned we've known they exist

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<v Speaker 2>for a decade.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, there was a bit of drama. Some Japanese physicists

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<v Speaker 3>Watanabi and Oshikawa proved a theorem, effectively saying will Check

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<v Speaker 3>is wrong. You can't have a time crystal and thermal equilibrium.

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<v Speaker 2>So it can't happen in that ground state you described, not.

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<v Speaker 3>In a simple static equilibrium system. It was a heavy blow.

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<v Speaker 3>No, it pivoted. Physicists are clever. They realized, Okay, maybe

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<v Speaker 3>we poke periodically, but the system responds in a weird way.

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<v Speaker 2>This is what led to the twenty sixteen experiments.

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<v Speaker 3>Exactly, in twenty sixteen, two different groups, one led by

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<v Speaker 2>And how did they do that?

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<v Speaker 3>They took ions, trap them in electromagnetic field, and hit

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<v Speaker 2>So they were adding energy. That sounds like the pendulum.

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<v Speaker 3>Again, they were adding energy. But here's the magic trick.

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<v Speaker 3>They hit the system with a laser every t seconds.

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<v Speaker 3>But the system didn't repeat every two seconds. It didn't

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<v Speaker 3>know it repeated every two t seconds or three t seconds.

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<v Speaker 3>It broke the symmetry of the driver. It adopted its own, slower,

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<v Speaker 2>Wait, I want to make sure I get this. It's

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<v Speaker 2>like if I'm jumping rope and the rope comes around

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<v Speaker 2>every second, but I only jump every two seconds.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, you have created a new period that is different

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<v Speaker 2>Pattern and it holds that pattern rigidly, incredibly rigidly.

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<v Speaker 3>That was the proof that the material was creating its

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<v Speaker 2>So ten years ago we proved they exist. We found

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<v Speaker 3>We did We realized, Okay, nature actually allows this weird behavior. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>A problem exactly. And that brings us to twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 3>six because the study we are looking at today, the

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<v Speaker 3>Viati paper, moves the goalposts from look at this weird

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<v Speaker 3>thing to let's build a machine with this.

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<v Speaker 2>And the machine they want to build is the most

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<v Speaker 3>That's the ambition. And to understand why that is such

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<v Speaker 3>a big deal, we have to talk about the villain

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<v Speaker 3>of our story. The villain yes, the current status quill

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<v Speaker 3>the atomic clock.

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<v Speaker 2>Which begs the question what is wrong with the clocks

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<v Speaker 2>we have now? I mean, my phone seems pretty accurate.

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<v Speaker 2>The GPS on my car gets me to the grocery store.

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<v Speaker 2>We have caesium clocks, strontium clocks. Why are scientists obsessed

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<v Speaker 3>at the highest level, the level that governs GPS, the Internet,

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<v Speaker 3>banking systems, and deep space navigation. We rely on optical atomic.

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<v Speaker 2>Clocks, and these are the best we have.

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<v Speaker 3>They are marvels of engineering. The latest strontium lattice clock,

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<v Speaker 3>for instance, wouldn't lose or gain a second in about

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<v Speaker 2>Years, longer than the age of the universe exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>So they are incredible, but they have some serious achilles heels.

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<v Speaker 2>I've heard the term, but what is actually happening inside

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<v Speaker 2>an atomic clock? It's not gears and springs, obviously.

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<v Speaker 3>No, it's about energy levels and light. So let's look

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<v Speaker 3>at a modern optical lattice clock. Imagine you have a

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<v Speaker 3>or yuterbium, using interfering laser beams.

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<v Speaker 2>You're holding them with light.

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<v Speaker 3>Holding them with light, were eating a shape like an

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I've got my atoms. They are stuck in the

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<v Speaker 3>You cool them down, atom mean really cool. We use

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<v Speaker 3>to get them to microkelvin's barely above absolute zero. They're

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so we have frozen trapped atoms.

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<v Speaker 3>Now what then you bring in the clock laser. This

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<v Speaker 3>specific frequency of light. You shine it on the atoms.

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<v Speaker 3>If the frequency is exactly right, I mean exactly, it

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<v Speaker 2>The quantum leap we were talking about the quantum leap.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a very narrow resonance think of it like a

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<v Speaker 3>you find that exact frequency that makes the jump happen,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, okay, this frequency is our standard. You count

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<v Speaker 3>the oscillations of that light. That is your tick.

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<v Speaker 2>So the atom is the reference, it's the tuning for

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<v Speaker 2>the laser is the bow playing the violin.

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<v Speaker 3>That is a perfect analogy. The atom is the tuning fork,

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<v Speaker 3>which is perfect and unchanging. The laser is the bow.

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<v Speaker 3>But here is the problem with current technology.

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<v Speaker 2>What's the problem.

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<v Speaker 3>The ticked doesn't actually come from the atom. It comes

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<v Speaker 3>from the laser. The laser is the thing generating the wave.

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<v Speaker 3>We just use the atom to check if the laser

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<v Speaker 2>So we're constantly asking the atom is this right? Is

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, we lock the laser to the atom in a

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<v Speaker 3>feedback loop. But lasers. Lasers are man made. They are imperfect.

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<v Speaker 3>They have what we call phase noise. The mirrors in

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<v Speaker 3>the laser cavity vibrate due to heat the electronics.

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<v Speaker 2>Fluctuations, so the bow is shaky.

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<v Speaker 3>The bow is shaky, and because the bow is shaky,

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<v Speaker 3>we have to constantly correct it. This process creates a

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<v Speaker 3>limit on stability. We are fighting a constant war against decoherence.

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<v Speaker 3>What's that It's the laser noise scrambling the quantum information

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<v Speaker 3>in the atoms. It's the external world messing up your

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<v Speaker 3>perfect quantum state.

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<v Speaker 2>And that limits how precise the clock can be.

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<v Speaker 3>It limits the coherence time. Ideally, you want to interrogate

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<v Speaker 3>the atom for a long time to get a precise measurement,

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<v Speaker 3>but because the laser is noisy, you can't. You have

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<v Speaker 2>So the source material highlights these drawbacks. What are they specifically?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, it lists three big costs. First, complexity, these systems

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<v Speaker 3>It's a room full of equipment, so.

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<v Speaker 2>You can't exactly wear one on your wrist or even

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<v Speaker 2>put one in a small satellite easily.

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<v Speaker 3>Definitely not. Second, they are fragile. They are incredibly sensitive

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<v Speaker 3>to vibrations and temperature changes. If you shake them, the

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<v Speaker 3>lattice breaks, the atoms fall out. And the third energy,

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<v Speaker 3>and this is the big one for our discussion regarding

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<v Speaker 3>the time crystal. To run an optical atomic clock, you

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<v Speaker 3>are constantly blasting it with energy. You are driving the system.

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<v Speaker 3>You are forcing the electrons up, they fall down, you

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<v Speaker 3>push them.

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<v Speaker 2>Up again, have to keep pushing the swing. If you

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<v Speaker 2>stop pushing, the swinging stops.

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<v Speaker 3>Exactly, you're constantly pumping energy into the system to force

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<v Speaker 3>it to oscillate. This is an active system, and in

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<v Speaker 3>quantum mechanics, active systems are prone to noise. The very

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<v Speaker 2>So we have these amazing clocks, but they are energy hogs,

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<v Speaker 2>They are fragile, and they only work because we are

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<v Speaker 3>That's a very colorful way to put it, but yes,

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<v Speaker 3>we are forcing order onto a chaotic system, and that

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<v Speaker 3>brings us to Ludmilaviatti and her team.

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<v Speaker 2>Enter the time crystal.

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<v Speaker 3>Enter the time crystal.

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<v Speaker 2>So the proposal from this news study published just this

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<v Speaker 2>month February twenty twenty six is to throw out the

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<v Speaker 2>idea of the bullied atom and replace it with a

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<v Speaker 2>quantum time crystal clock.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, And the core difference. The thing that makes this

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<v Speaker 3>the same way.

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<v Speaker 2>This goes back to what we said earlier. The rhythm

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, the repeating pattern, the tick of the clock emerges

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<v Speaker 3>from the intrinsic interactions within the system itself.

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<v Speaker 2>I need an analogy because intrinsic interactions sounds like corporate

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<v Speaker 3>Fair enough, Okay, think about the atomic clock the old way.

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<v Speaker 3>Like a class of students trying to clap in unit

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<v Speaker 3>in Okay, to get them to clap together, the teacher

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<v Speaker 3>the laser has to stand at the front and conduct them. Clap, clap, clap.

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<v Speaker 3>If the teacher stops, the students stop or fall out

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, that's the external drive. Makes sense.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, imagine a time crystal. The teacher leaves the room,

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<v Speaker 3>but the students they hold hands. They're connected, they are entangled.

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<v Speaker 3>They're quantum mechanically entangled. And because of the way they

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<v Speaker 3>are connected, the specific physics of their interaction, a rhythm

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<v Speaker 3>emerges from the group.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's not imposed from the outside.

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<v Speaker 3>Not at all. One student squeezes a hand, the next

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<v Speaker 3>feels it and a wave of clapping propagates through the

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<v Speaker 3>group and sustains itself. They keep the beat perfectly, not

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<v Speaker 3>because someone is forcing them, but because the structure of

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<v Speaker 2>So the rhythm is a property of the collective, not

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<v Speaker 2>the result of a conductor exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>It provides a natural, built in rhythm. In physics terms,

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<v Speaker 3>we say the system has a many body Hamiltonian that

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<v Speaker 2>Many body Hamiltonian. That sounds like a prog rock band.

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<v Speaker 3>It does, but it essentially means. The math describing the

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<v Speaker 3>energy of the system depends on all the particles interacting

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<v Speaker 3>with each other, not just individually, and this interaction creates

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<v Speaker 3>a stiffness or a rigidity in time.

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<v Speaker 2>Rigidity is a good word, like how a diamond is

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<v Speaker 2>rigid in space. You can't just push one atom out

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, that's a perfect way to think about it. If

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<v Speaker 3>you try to bump one atom in a diamond, the

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<v Speaker 3>bonds with this neighbors hold it in place. In a

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<v Speaker 3>one atom, the entanglement with its neighbors pulls it back

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<v Speaker 2>That is wild. So we are moving from a a

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<v Speaker 2>high maintenance model to a self sustaining model.

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<v Speaker 3>That is the hope, that's the promise of this whole idea.

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<v Speaker 2>But how do you actually build a clock out of that?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, a circle of students holding hands is great,

435
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<v Speaker 2>but the Audi's team isn't working with people. They're working

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<v Speaker 2>with quantum particles. What did they do right?

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<v Speaker 3>And this brings us to the simulation because to be clear,

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<v Speaker 3>and I have to stress this, what this report details

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<v Speaker 3>is a mathematical demonstration.

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<v Speaker 2>They haven't built it yet.

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<v Speaker 3>They have not built it. They simulated this engine on

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<v Speaker 3>a powerful computer to see if it could actually keep

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<v Speaker 3>time better than the conventional method.

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<v Speaker 2>So let's look at the setup. What did they throw

445
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<v Speaker 2>into the computer? What were the ingredients?

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<v Speaker 3>They simulated an ensemble of one hundred quantum particles.

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<v Speaker 2>Just one hundred. That seems low for something this revolutionary,

448
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<v Speaker 2>you'd think.

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<v Speaker 3>So, But in the quantum world, simulating one hundred interacting

450
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<v Speaker 3>particles is actually a huge computational task. The complexity grows exponentially.

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<v Speaker 3>The number of possible states is two to the power

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<v Speaker 3>of one hundred, which is a number larger than the

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<v Speaker 3>number of atoms in the earth.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, never mind, one hundred is a lot.

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<v Speaker 3>You can't just run this on a laptop. They likely

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<v Speaker 3>use sophisticated approximations like tensor networks to model it efficiently.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, fair enough, one hundred particles, and what are these

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<v Speaker 2>particles doing.

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<v Speaker 3>Each of these particles acts as a spin. You can

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<v Speaker 3>think of it like a tiny magnet that can point up.

461
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<v Speaker 2>Or down binary a quantum bit one or zero.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, but quantum so it can be a superposition of

463
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<v Speaker 3>up and down at the same time. Now, they wanted

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<v Speaker 3>to see if they could use this system to measure

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<v Speaker 3>time using a technique called Ramsey interferometry.

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<v Speaker 2>Ramsey interferometry, we need to define that. Is that standard practice.

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<v Speaker 3>It's the gold standard way we measure time in quantum mechanics.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a three step dance.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, let's hear the steps.

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<v Speaker 3>Step one, you hit all the atoms with a quick

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<v Speaker 3>pulse of microwave or laser radiation to put them in

472
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<v Speaker 3>a superposition. Get them all spinning perfectly synchronized.

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<v Speaker 2>Like spinning a top. One hundred tops all starting at

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<v Speaker 2>the same time.

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<v Speaker 3>Step two, you wait, this is the interrogation time. You

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<v Speaker 3>let the atoms evolve freely. You let them tick. This

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<v Speaker 3>is where the clock is actually running.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so you just let them do their thing.

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<v Speaker 3>Step three, you hit them with a second identical pulse

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<v Speaker 3>to reout their state. This second pulse essentially stops the

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<v Speaker 3>clock and allows you to measure how much their collective

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<v Speaker 3>state has changed. By comparing the state at the end

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<v Speaker 3>to the start, you know exactly how much time has passed.

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<v Speaker 2>Got it. Pulse wait, pulse, measure the difference.

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<v Speaker 3>Now in the simulation, they compare two different phases. This

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<v Speaker 3>is the showdown part of the study.

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<v Speaker 2>Phase one versus phase two, the old versus the new.

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<v Speaker 3>Phase one is the conventional phase. In this simulation, they

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<v Speaker 3>set up the particles so they would behave like a

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<v Speaker 3>normal atomic clock. The particles were independent, They didn't talk

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<v Speaker 3>to each other. They just evolved on their.

492
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<v Speaker 2>Own, the lonely drummer phase, each one trying to keep

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<v Speaker 2>its own beat right.

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<v Speaker 3>And then they tried to measure time. Specifically, they looked

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<v Speaker 3>at the stability of the clock, the precision. As they

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<v Speaker 3>increased the interrogation time that weight period and what happened

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<v Speaker 3>It hit the standard quantum limit. Basically, as time went on,

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<v Speaker 3>small noises. Tiny fluctuations in the environment caused the atoms

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<v Speaker 3>to dephase. They lost their synchronization.

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<v Speaker 2>They started drifting.

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<v Speaker 3>They started drifting, the signal got blurry. The precision degraded rapidly.

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<v Speaker 3>If you imagine those hundred spinning tops, they all start

503
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<v Speaker 3>spinning together. But after a while, summer a little faster,

504
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<v Speaker 3>summer a little slower, and the whole thing is a mess.

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<v Speaker 2>So the clock loses track of time if you wait

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<v Speaker 2>too long.

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<v Speaker 3>Exactly. Then they switched the simulation to phase two, the

508
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<v Speaker 3>time crystalline.

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<v Speaker 2>Phase, the entangled orchestra.

510
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<v Speaker 3>They turned on the interactions. They set the parameters of

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<v Speaker 3>the simulation so that the particles were strongly coupled to

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<v Speaker 3>each other. They created that stiffness we talked about. They

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<v Speaker 3>made the students hold.

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<v Speaker 2>Hands, so now the tops are all connected by invisible strings.

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<v Speaker 3>A great way to put it. And they ran the

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<v Speaker 3>exact same Ramsey sequence pulse, wait, pulse, and the result.

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<v Speaker 3>As a result, the precision remained far more robust. The

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<v Speaker 3>graph I'm looking at Fig. Three in the paper mentally

519
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<v Speaker 3>right now, shows that the variance, which is the measure

520
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<v Speaker 3>of error, stayed flat for a much much longer time

521
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<v Speaker 3>than in the conventional case.

522
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<v Speaker 2>So the orchestra stayed in sync perfectly.

523
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<v Speaker 3>The intrinsic interactions protected the phase of the clock. The

524
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<v Speaker 3>entanglent thought off the decoherence from the environment.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's where it gets really interesting for me, because usually

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<v Speaker 2>in engineering, if you want more control, you add more control.

527
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<v Speaker 2>You add more sensors, more feedback loops, more.

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<v Speaker 3>Power, right, the brute force approach.

529
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<v Speaker 2>But this result suggests that if you want the ultimate precision,

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<v Speaker 2>you actually have to let go. You have to stop

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<v Speaker 2>forcing the system and let it find its own stability

532
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<v Speaker 2>through internal connection.

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<v Speaker 3>That is a profound observation, and it's absolutely true. The

534
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<v Speaker 3>stability of the time crystal comes from the fact that

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<v Speaker 3>it is a many body system. It distributes the information

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<v Speaker 3>of the time across all one hundred particles.

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<v Speaker 2>It sounds like distributed computing or a blockchain. Almost the

538
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<v Speaker 2>record isn't in one place, it's everywhere, so it's harder

539
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<v Speaker 2>to corrupt.

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<v Speaker 3>Very similar logic. If one particle gets knocked out a

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<v Speaker 3>rhythm by a bit of noise, the other ninety nine

542
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<v Speaker 3>pull it back in line. We call this Heisenberg limited scaling,

543
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<v Speaker 3>or something close to it. It beats the standard quantum

544
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<v Speaker 3>limit because the particles are acting as a single giant

545
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<v Speaker 3>quantum object rather than one hundred small ones.

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<v Speaker 2>So we have a simulation that says, hey, this weird

547
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<v Speaker 2>state of matter we found ten years ago. It actually

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<v Speaker 2>makes a better clock than the best technology we have today.

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<v Speaker 3>In theory, yes, right, And specifically, it solves that external

550
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<v Speaker 3>drive problem we talked about. Because the rhythm is internal.

551
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<v Speaker 3>You don't need a nowsy laser to constantly drive the beat.

552
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<v Speaker 3>You just need to initialize it and let it run.

553
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<v Speaker 3>It's a passive clock.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, what does this mean? Why should the listener care?

555
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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I love a good clock, but I'm rarely

556
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<v Speaker 2>late to meetings because my phone drifted by a nanosecond.

557
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<v Speaker 2>This feels very esoteric.

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<v Speaker 3>No, for you and me getting coffee, this doesn't matter.

559
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<v Speaker 3>You will never need a time crystal to catch the bus.

560
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<v Speaker 3>But for civilization, for our entire technology infrastructure, it matters

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<v Speaker 3>a lot.

562
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<v Speaker 2>Connect the dots. For us, where do we use clocks

563
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<v Speaker 2>that need to be this good?

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<v Speaker 3>The most obvious application is navigation. We all rely on

565
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<v Speaker 3>GPS every single day.

566
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<v Speaker 2>Which works by satellites sending timestamps.

567
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<v Speaker 3>Yes, your phone listens for signals from multiple satellites. Those

568
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<v Speaker 3>satellites are basically just flying atomic clocks. They send a

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<v Speaker 3>signal saying the time I sent this was exactly twelve

570
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<v Speaker 3>point zero zero zero zero zero zero zero zero zero

571
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<v Speaker 3>zero one. Your phone compares the arrival times of signals

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<v Speaker 3>from four different satellites to figure out where you are

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<v Speaker 3>in three dimensional.

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<v Speaker 2>Space triangulation or I guess quadrangulation.

575
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<v Speaker 3>Right, But the accuracy of that location depends entirely on

576
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<v Speaker 3>the accuracy of the clocks. Light travels very fast, about

577
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<v Speaker 3>one foot per nanosecond a foot per nanosecond, so if

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<v Speaker 3>the clock on the satellite is off by just a

579
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<v Speaker 3>few nanoseconds, the error in your position could be several feet.

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<v Speaker 2>So if the clock drifts, my GPS thinks I'm driving

581
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<v Speaker 2>in the river instead of on.

582
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<v Speaker 3>The bridge exactly Now, for your car, an error of

583
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<v Speaker 3>a few feet is fine, but imagine a world of

584
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<v Speaker 3>autonomous vehicles, drones delivering packages, and a growded city flying taxis.

585
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<v Speaker 3>They need to know where they are within inches, not feet,

586
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<v Speaker 3>and they need to know it instantly without fail.

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<v Speaker 2>So we need better clocks in space, more stable clocks.

588
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<v Speaker 3>And we need them to be stable, robust, and low power. Remember,

589
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<v Speaker 3>current atomic clocks are fragile and power hungry. If we

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<v Speaker 3>can build a time crystal clock, it could be smaller,

591
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<v Speaker 3>require less power because it's self sustaining, and be more

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<v Speaker 3>robust against the harsh radiation and vibration environment of space.

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<v Speaker 2>That makes sense better GPS, safer self driving cars. But

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<v Speaker 2>the report also mentions sensors. That seems like a different application.

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<v Speaker 3>Entirely it is, but it's based on the same principle

596
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<v Speaker 3>of stability. The source specifically mentions ultrasensitive detectors of magnetic fields.

597
00:27:51.799 --> 00:27:53.000
<v Speaker 3>This is magnetometry.

598
00:27:53.119 --> 00:27:55.440
<v Speaker 2>How does a clock detect a magnetic field?

599
00:27:55.599 --> 00:27:58.680
<v Speaker 3>Well, remember that these particles are spins. They are essentially

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<v Speaker 3>tiny magnets. The rhythm of the time crystal, the frequency

601
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<v Speaker 3>of its oscillation, depends on the magnetic environment. It's in

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<v Speaker 3>oh I see if an external magnetic field is present,

603
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<v Speaker 3>it slightly alters the energy levels of the spins, which

604
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<v Speaker 3>in turn changes the ticking rate of the clock in

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<v Speaker 3>a very precise, predictable way.

606
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<v Speaker 2>So it's a sensor. You measure the change in the

607
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<v Speaker 2>ticking to measure the field.

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<v Speaker 3>A quantum sensor. And because the time crystal is so

609
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<v Speaker 3>stable against random noise, it becomes incredibly sensitive to specific

610
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<v Speaker 3>signals like a magnetic field. It's like having a perfectly

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<v Speaker 3>silent room where you can hear even the quietest whisper.

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<v Speaker 2>What would we use that for?

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<v Speaker 3>Everything from mineral exploration finding deposits of ore underground without digging,

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<v Speaker 3>to non invasive medical imaging brain imaging. Your brain works

615
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<v Speaker 3>by firing neurons. Those electrical currents create tiny, tiny magnetic fields. Currently,

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<v Speaker 3>we use meg machines to detect them, but they are huge,

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<v Speaker 3>they're expensive, and they require liquid helium cooling. A time

618
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<v Speaker 3>crystal sensor could theoretically be a small room temperare device

619
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<v Speaker 3>that is far more sensitive, allowing us to map brain

620
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<v Speaker 3>activity with unprecedented detail. Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so we're talking about a fundamental leap in sensing technology.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not just about time, it's about measuring the invisible

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<v Speaker 2>forces of the world with incredible precision.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, but and there is always a butt And as

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<v Speaker 3>the skeptic here, you should be waiting for it.

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<v Speaker 2>I was waiting for it. I've been looking at the

627
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<v Speaker 2>time stamp of our discussion and realizing we haven't solved

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<v Speaker 2>the world's problems yet. Can I go to the hardware

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<v Speaker 2>store and buy a time crystal clock today.

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<v Speaker 3>No, you absolutely cannot. You can't even buy one from

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<v Speaker 3>a high tech lab.

632
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<v Speaker 2>Yet, why not If the simulation works, why don't we

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<v Speaker 2>have the device? It sounds like the blueprint is there.

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<v Speaker 3>Because, as I mentioned, this study by Viati and her

635
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<v Speaker 3>team is a mathematical demonstration. It is a simulation. They

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<v Speaker 3>prove that the physics works on paper and in a

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<v Speaker 3>computer model.

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<v Speaker 2>There is a big difference between a computer model and

639
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<v Speaker 2>a physical device, a huge difference.

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<v Speaker 3>The report explicitly quotes that there is a long road

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<v Speaker 3>to practical applications.

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<v Speaker 2>What are the roadblocks? What stands between us and this

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<v Speaker 2>quantum future?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, think about the requirements. To make this work. You

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<v Speaker 3>need to create an ensemble of one hundred or more

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<v Speaker 3>particles that are perfectly controlled and strongly interacting, and you

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<v Speaker 3>need to keep them coherent for a long time.

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<v Speaker 2>We can do that with quantum computers, right, Yeah, Google

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<v Speaker 2>and IBM are building chips with lots of quibits.

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<v Speaker 3>They are, but those systems are still incredibly noisy and

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<v Speaker 3>error prone. Keeping one hundred particles entangled and coherent for

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<v Speaker 3>a long period of time is the holy grail of

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<v Speaker 3>quantum computing. We are getting better at it, but we

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<v Speaker 3>aren't there yet. The engineering challenges are immense.

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<v Speaker 2>So the time crystal clock relies on the same tech

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<v Speaker 2>as quantum computers largely.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, it needs trapped ion technology or Ryberg atoms. You

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<v Speaker 3>need to isolate these particles in a vacuum, cool them

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<v Speaker 3>to near absolute zero, and then use lasers to engineer

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<v Speaker 3>the interactions so they talk to each other in just

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<v Speaker 3>the right way to form the time crystal state.

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<v Speaker 2>So we are still talking about a room full of

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<v Speaker 2>lasers and vacuum pumps. It's not a chick been a

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<v Speaker 2>phone yet for now.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, we're at the Wright Brothers glider stage of this technology.

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<v Speaker 3>Actually no, we're at the wind Tuttle blueprint stage. We

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<v Speaker 3>know the aerodynamics work, we know the math holds up.

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<v Speaker 3>Now someone has to actually bend the wood and stitch

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<v Speaker 3>the canvas.

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<v Speaker 2>But the hope is that this paper is the spark

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<v Speaker 2>that lights the fire.

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<v Speaker 3>Exactly. The goal of publishing this in Physical Review letters

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<v Speaker 3>is to get the experimentalists excited. VIATI is basically saying, hey,

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<v Speaker 3>to all my friends in the labs, look what the

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<v Speaker 3>math says. If you build this, it will work.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's the recipe and knowing physicists, they will tig that dare.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh absolutely, the race is on Now. There are labs

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<v Speaker 3>in Boulder, in Maryland, in Innsbruck that are likely reading

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<v Speaker 3>this paper this morning and thinking can we reconfigure our

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<v Speaker 3>trap to run this protocol.

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<v Speaker 2>It is fascinating to think about the timeline here. In

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twelve, this was just a crazy idea in Frank

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<v Speaker 2>Wilcheck's head that everyone laughed at.

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<v Speaker 3>Right perpetual motion.

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<v Speaker 2>In twenty sixteen we saw it in a lab and realized, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>it's real. Now in twenty twenty six we have the

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<v Speaker 2>blueprint for a machine that uses it.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a wrap acceleration. Usually new states of matter take

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<v Speaker 3>decades to go from discovery to application. Superconductivity took half

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<v Speaker 3>a century. This might happen in fifteen or twenty years

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<v Speaker 3>from discovery to a working device.

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<v Speaker 2>It really is incredible. So let's synthesize this. We've covered

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<v Speaker 2>symmetry breaking, we've bashed traditional atomic clocks, and we've built

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<v Speaker 2>a virtual time crystal. What is the big takeaway for me?

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<v Speaker 3>The takeaway is a shift in philosophy for centuries. Precision

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<v Speaker 3>meant control, It meant applying force. It meant holding nature

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<v Speaker 3>down and forcing it to be regular clockwork, gears, pendulums, lasers.

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<v Speaker 2>We imposed order on the world. We beat the chaos

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<v Speaker 2>into submission.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, but this new research suggests that the ultimate order,

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<v Speaker 3>the ultimate precision, comes from surrendering control. It comes from

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<v Speaker 3>creating the right conditions and then letting a system settle

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<v Speaker 3>into its own natural quantum rhythm.

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<v Speaker 2>Moving from systems we have to force to keep time

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<v Speaker 2>to systems that keep time because.

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<v Speaker 3>Of what they are beautifully put. It's a move from

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<v Speaker 3>artificials to ability to intrinsic stability.

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<v Speaker 2>It really changes how you look at a clock. It's

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<v Speaker 2>not just a tool. It's a reflection of how we

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<v Speaker 2>interact with the universe. Are we fighting it or are

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<v Speaker 2>we dancing with it?

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<v Speaker 3>And that leads to a final thought. I want to

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<v Speaker 3>leave with the listener little something to moll over. What's

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<v Speaker 3>that We are taught in school that the universe tends

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<v Speaker 3>toward disorder? The second law of thermodynamics, entropy always increases.

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<v Speaker 2>Things fall apart.

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<v Speaker 3>Things fall apart. If you leave a house alone, it

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<v Speaker 3>gets dusty. If you leave a clock alone, it stops

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<v Speaker 3>and rusts.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, chaos wins in the end.

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<v Speaker 3>But here we have a system that, left to its

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<v Speaker 3>own devices, without continuous external energy, finds a perfect repeating

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<v Speaker 3>order in time. It doesn't decay into randomness, it locks

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<v Speaker 3>into structure. So my question is, if we can create

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<v Speaker 3>machines that have an intrinsic, self sustaining rhythm, does that

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<v Speaker 3>change how we think about entropy and disorder.

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<v Speaker 2>Are we looking at a future where the most precise

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<v Speaker 2>measurement of time comes from letting nature do its own thing,

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<v Speaker 2>rather than for it with a laser.

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<v Speaker 3>I think we are, And I think that suggests that

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<v Speaker 3>order might be a more fundamental, more resilient property of

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<v Speaker 3>the universe than we give it credit for. Maybe chaos

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<v Speaker 3>doesn't always win.

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<v Speaker 2>That is something to chew on while you are eating

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<v Speaker 2>your Valentine's Day chocolates. Maybe order isn't something we have

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<v Speaker 2>to build from scratch. Maybe it's waiting for us to

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<v Speaker 2>just get out of the way.

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<v Speaker 3>I like that thought.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you so much for joining us on this exploration

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<v Speaker 2>of time crystals. If you want to dive deeper, and

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<v Speaker 2>I mean really deep, like looking at the Hamiltonians yourself,

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<v Speaker 2>check the show notes. We've linked the fizz dot org

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<v Speaker 2>article and the references to the Vatti study and physical review.

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<v Speaker 3>Letters definitely worth a read if you like the technical details.

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<v Speaker 2>Until next time, stay curious.

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<v Speaker 3>And keep watching the clock, or let the.

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<v Speaker 2>Clock watch itself. By everyone
