WEBVTT 1 00:00:03.520 --> 00:00:06.440 Six fifty on this Monday morning. Dan Carroll for Brian Thomas. 2 00:00:07.919 --> 00:00:09.880 I've been teasing it all morning. The brad Winstrop is 3 00:00:09.880 --> 00:00:12.080 going to be here in the seven o'clock hour. But 4 00:00:12.160 --> 00:00:16.160 I should not be surprised that a military man is 5 00:00:16.199 --> 00:00:22.199 here early, showing up early here army time, oh seven hundred. 6 00:00:22.480 --> 00:00:24.559 But you're here early, Brad Weinster. How are you? I'm 7 00:00:24.559 --> 00:00:27.079 doing all right? And in the seven o'clock hour we're 8 00:00:27.079 --> 00:00:28.719 going to talk about your report, which is good, but 9 00:00:29.239 --> 00:00:31.399 this gives me a little time to what to talk 10 00:00:31.480 --> 00:00:35.479 about you and your time in DC is coming to 11 00:00:35.520 --> 00:00:37.039 an end. You announced that you were not going to 12 00:00:37.079 --> 00:00:40.320 run for re election and what's that process been like. 13 00:00:40.960 --> 00:00:43.079 Well, it's been different, I mean, byron large, it didn't 14 00:00:43.079 --> 00:00:46.159 feel any different until after the election. Yeah, after the 15 00:00:46.240 --> 00:00:49.759 election in November, then you suddenly felt that. 16 00:00:49.520 --> 00:00:51.079 That's when you feel the finality of it. 17 00:00:51.240 --> 00:00:53.840 Well, yeah, and you feel that, like you know, for 18 00:00:53.880 --> 00:00:56.479 a lot of things, you just don't matter anymore. And 19 00:00:56.679 --> 00:00:59.119 you start to see all these new people showing up 20 00:00:59.159 --> 00:01:02.600 because a lot of the new members are around and 21 00:01:02.679 --> 00:01:05.319 they haven't been sworn in yet. But there's just a 22 00:01:05.359 --> 00:01:07.439 lot of things. But by and large. I had things 23 00:01:07.439 --> 00:01:09.760 that I've been working on trying to get into our 24 00:01:09.799 --> 00:01:13.280 final packages, which, of course, it would be a whole 25 00:01:13.319 --> 00:01:16.599 lot easier if we just didn't throw everything into one 26 00:01:16.640 --> 00:01:19.040 big pale at the end of the year. Instead did 27 00:01:19.079 --> 00:01:22.680 things a little by little. But wrapping up this two 28 00:01:22.760 --> 00:01:29.359 years of the pandemic Select Subcommittee has really been all encompassing. 29 00:01:29.400 --> 00:01:31.959 I mean, we put together a five hundred and twenty 30 00:01:32.000 --> 00:01:35.239 page report, you know, but other than that, it's been 31 00:01:35.319 --> 00:01:37.959 kind of business as usual, except you know, now for 32 00:01:38.040 --> 00:01:41.040 this last month or so, you have no office. They 33 00:01:41.040 --> 00:01:44.120 give you a cubicle in the basement, and you know, 34 00:01:44.159 --> 00:01:46.959 you've still got some staff around. Some have moved on, 35 00:01:47.439 --> 00:01:50.599 but most of ours have said I'll take my next 36 00:01:50.719 --> 00:01:53.840 job when we're finished, and so that's been good. Yeah, 37 00:01:54.079 --> 00:01:57.560 but it's different. And since I had the Select Subcommittee, 38 00:01:57.560 --> 00:02:00.680 I have an office to go to where there's you know, 39 00:02:00.719 --> 00:02:03.760 it might not, but you know, it's it's bittersweet, for sure. 40 00:02:03.959 --> 00:02:07.400 I have no regrets. At the twelve years of serving 41 00:02:07.439 --> 00:02:11.080 in Congress. It's been a huge honor. It's it's messier, 42 00:02:11.159 --> 00:02:14.280 messier than it needs to be by far. But in 43 00:02:14.319 --> 00:02:16.199 a lot of ways, we quietly got a lot of 44 00:02:16.240 --> 00:02:19.080 things done that never made headlines, and I'm proud of that. 45 00:02:19.120 --> 00:02:21.840 Well, I mean that's usually the case. You know. I've 46 00:02:21.840 --> 00:02:24.439 been to Washington a handful of times and spent a 47 00:02:24.439 --> 00:02:26.639 little time walking around the halls of Congress and some 48 00:02:26.680 --> 00:02:29.159 of the office buildings there, which are just I mean, 49 00:02:29.199 --> 00:02:33.080 it really is just being there and seeing all that. 50 00:02:33.479 --> 00:02:36.120 It really is a special place. And and I think 51 00:02:36.199 --> 00:02:39.560 so many people get the wrong idea about DC because 52 00:02:40.000 --> 00:02:43.039 we talk about it in such negatives way in negative ways, 53 00:02:43.080 --> 00:02:45.039 but I mean in so many ways. I mean, it 54 00:02:45.159 --> 00:02:49.439 really is a swamp. It really is so despicable the 55 00:02:49.439 --> 00:02:52.560 way things are run in this government these days. But 56 00:02:52.639 --> 00:02:55.039 there's got to be aspects of it that when you 57 00:02:55.159 --> 00:02:56.919 when I mean when you when you look at how 58 00:02:57.199 --> 00:02:59.280 just how how great it is and how meaningful it 59 00:02:59.319 --> 00:03:01.280 is to it to really be there on a daily basis, Yeah, 60 00:03:01.280 --> 00:03:02.039 it absolutely is. 61 00:03:02.080 --> 00:03:04.039 And you know, the American people don't get the full 62 00:03:04.080 --> 00:03:08.439 perception because, uh, you know, I was asked at a 63 00:03:09.360 --> 00:03:12.319 little roundtable whether it was departing members three of US, 64 00:03:12.520 --> 00:03:16.960 one Democrat, two Republicans, and they moderator said, what can 65 00:03:17.000 --> 00:03:19.479 be done to calm some of the chaos? I said, 66 00:03:19.560 --> 00:03:21.759 I think it would make a difference if the media 67 00:03:21.759 --> 00:03:24.479 paid more attention to those that actually got things across 68 00:03:24.479 --> 00:03:27.759 the finish line than those that never do. Because truthfully, 69 00:03:28.000 --> 00:03:30.560 by and large, the people that you see day in 70 00:03:30.759 --> 00:03:35.039 and day out that are rowdy, et cetera, they really 71 00:03:35.240 --> 00:03:37.840 they don't usually get something done. They don't pass bills, 72 00:03:37.840 --> 00:03:41.000 they don't take away bills, they don't stop regulations there 73 00:03:41.800 --> 00:03:43.919 you know, and that that is a problem. But I 74 00:03:43.919 --> 00:03:47.080 think the bigger problem we have today is something that 75 00:03:47.120 --> 00:03:50.840 didn't exist with our with our founders. When our country 76 00:03:50.919 --> 00:03:54.360 was founded, we had three agencies, State, Treasury, and war. 77 00:03:54.840 --> 00:03:55.439 That was it. 78 00:03:56.520 --> 00:03:59.280 I changed my mind on term limits because if you've 79 00:03:59.400 --> 00:04:03.080 just if you're only their two terms, you never establish 80 00:04:03.280 --> 00:04:06.639 enough street cred if you will to do things right. 81 00:04:06.680 --> 00:04:08.960 But in the agencies, those are the people that never 82 00:04:09.039 --> 00:04:11.680 leave and they're not elected. That's where we need to 83 00:04:11.680 --> 00:04:15.240 make change. It should be like the military, you get 84 00:04:15.280 --> 00:04:18.600 if you don't get promoted, you're out, and when you 85 00:04:19.560 --> 00:04:22.000 reach the top, you're term limited. We have people that 86 00:04:22.160 --> 00:04:25.480 nest there forever and they're controlling way too much. 87 00:04:25.519 --> 00:04:28.240 And see when I look at at DOJE, Okay, the 88 00:04:28.240 --> 00:04:33.319 Department of Government Efficiency theak Raamaswami and Elon Musk When 89 00:04:33.319 --> 00:04:36.240 I hear them talk, that's what I hear them concentrating 90 00:04:36.279 --> 00:04:40.000 on the bloat in the federal government and they're talking about, 91 00:04:40.480 --> 00:04:42.759 you know, there's what two hundred and summer five hundred 92 00:04:42.839 --> 00:04:45.120 some agencies right now. They're talking about, we can take 93 00:04:45.120 --> 00:04:48.120 this down to ninety nine. And essentially they're talking about 94 00:04:48.160 --> 00:04:50.879 the apparatus of government that spends so much money. All 95 00:04:50.920 --> 00:04:52.399 you hear in the media is, Oh, they want to 96 00:04:52.439 --> 00:04:54.680 cut Medicare, they want to cut Social Security, they want 97 00:04:54.720 --> 00:04:57.600 to cut you know, all these entitlement programs. I haven't 98 00:04:57.600 --> 00:04:59.720 heard them talk about that at all. They're talking about 99 00:04:59.759 --> 00:05:02.560 govern an efficiency, and that's a great place to start. 100 00:05:02.560 --> 00:05:05.959 If you can streamline things and make things more efficient, right, 101 00:05:06.160 --> 00:05:08.759 efficiencies right there in the name. I think that's an 102 00:05:08.759 --> 00:05:09.639 important first step. 103 00:05:09.800 --> 00:05:11.279 It's not bad to have some of the things, but 104 00:05:11.319 --> 00:05:13.959 are they working and what does success look like? You 105 00:05:14.000 --> 00:05:16.040 go to just go to the website and look at 106 00:05:16.079 --> 00:05:19.759 Health and Human Services and all the sub agencies that 107 00:05:19.800 --> 00:05:22.120 are part of that, and you look at that and say, 108 00:05:22.439 --> 00:05:25.600 what are these people doing that are making us a 109 00:05:25.639 --> 00:05:28.639 healthier nation? Because that's really what that agency should be 110 00:05:28.720 --> 00:05:32.839 about and work with Congress that we put things in place. Look, 111 00:05:32.600 --> 00:05:35.720 I'm glad to have a country with safety nets, but 112 00:05:36.879 --> 00:05:40.839 success means fewer people needing them. That's what success looks like, 113 00:05:40.920 --> 00:05:42.560 not putting more people into problem. 114 00:05:42.600 --> 00:05:45.560 I agree with that. And you even in your report 115 00:05:45.639 --> 00:05:48.959 you talk about the billions of dollars that got wasted 116 00:05:49.040 --> 00:05:53.240 during the whole the whole COVID episode. Absolutely, when when 117 00:05:53.240 --> 00:05:55.199 we look at that and act like that, you know, 118 00:05:55.199 --> 00:05:57.199 there's a few billion here, a few billions, they're not 119 00:05:57.279 --> 00:05:59.800 that big of a deal that that mindset needs to change. 120 00:06:00.079 --> 00:06:02.399 And I think you know what, what the work you 121 00:06:02.439 --> 00:06:04.720 did on that may be one of the first steps 122 00:06:04.720 --> 00:06:06.240 in the sort of change in that mindset. 123 00:06:06.240 --> 00:06:08.399 This should be a roadmap. This should we'll talk about 124 00:06:08.439 --> 00:06:10.399 it more, but this should be a roadmap to the future. 125 00:06:10.439 --> 00:06:12.199 All right, get it to a break here, news coming 126 00:06:12.279 --> 00:06:13.959 up top of the hour, and then we will continue 127 00:06:14.000 --> 00:06:16.879 on with Congressman. Can I still I'll always be able 128 00:06:16.920 --> 00:06:21.959 to call you Congressman or Brad during the entire seven 129 00:06:21.959 --> 00:06:25.000 o'clock hour, and we invite you to stick around for 130 00:06:25.040 --> 00:06:26.959 that and maybe maybe we'll take a call or too, 131 00:06:27.240 --> 00:06:30.839 maybe later on. That'll be great. Five three seven, five hundred, 132 00:06:30.920 --> 00:06:34.439 Dan Carroll for Brian Thomas, fifty five KRC, The talk Station, 133 00:06:35.279 --> 00:06:42.480 Your Voice freshing your country for Reasonable American fifty five KRC, 134 00:06:43.000 --> 00:06:47.720 the talk Station. This report is sponsored by Staples Story 135 00:06:52.639 --> 00:06:56.959 fifty five KRC, the Talk Station. Rainy Monday Morning, Dan 136 00:06:57.079 --> 00:06:59.959 Carroll in for Brian Thomas. Brian Thomas is back tomorrow, 137 00:07:01.160 --> 00:07:04.079 so we are all looking forward to that. And as 138 00:07:04.160 --> 00:07:07.879 promised earlier in this show, we are going to spend 139 00:07:07.879 --> 00:07:11.639 the seven o'clock hour with Congressman brad Winstrip and he 140 00:07:11.800 --> 00:07:15.959 and his Select Subcommittee on the Coronavirus Pandemic have just 141 00:07:16.040 --> 00:07:19.839 wrapped up a two year investigation into COVID nineteen, or 142 00:07:19.879 --> 00:07:22.839 as I like to refer to it, the Wuhan and 143 00:07:23.000 --> 00:07:25.279 brad Winstrip is here and brad winsterp how are you. 144 00:07:25.560 --> 00:07:26.800 I'm doing all right, it's good to see. 145 00:07:26.839 --> 00:07:33.360 How about those Bengals, Well, we have an offense. 146 00:07:34.040 --> 00:07:37.040 Yeah, that's fact. I mean think about that. You got 147 00:07:37.040 --> 00:07:38.959 to go out there and they're saying that, look, you 148 00:07:38.959 --> 00:07:41.079 guys got to score forty points every game if you 149 00:07:41.079 --> 00:07:43.439 want to have a chance to win it, and it's unbelievable. 150 00:07:43.480 --> 00:07:45.360 Well, they got some work to do in the off season. Yes, 151 00:07:45.519 --> 00:07:46.800 oh it's not off season yet. 152 00:07:46.959 --> 00:07:50.680 Darn it. Well when the all season good. That can't 153 00:07:50.680 --> 00:07:53.240 get here faster though, And January twentieth can't get here 154 00:07:53.240 --> 00:07:56.160 fast enough either. But you know what, thanks for coming in. 155 00:07:56.680 --> 00:07:58.800 It's great. It's great to see you again. It's been 156 00:07:58.839 --> 00:08:01.040 a little while. But I mean you look good. You 157 00:08:01.079 --> 00:08:03.600 look like you've got a little bit of weight. Take 158 00:08:03.600 --> 00:08:04.360 them off your shoulders. 159 00:08:04.439 --> 00:08:07.879 Yes, yeah, this two year's log is really not just 160 00:08:07.920 --> 00:08:11.120 a two year's log of the Select Subcommittee. But it's 161 00:08:11.160 --> 00:08:13.839 been five years. You know, I sit on Intelligence Committee, 162 00:08:14.160 --> 00:08:17.800 and I can remember during lockdown, another doctor in Ohio 163 00:08:17.959 --> 00:08:22.560 was calling me and he was calling infectious disease doctors 164 00:08:22.560 --> 00:08:24.959 in China. We were looking at how do we treat this? 165 00:08:25.439 --> 00:08:28.519 What's going on? You know, this thing's novel called that 166 00:08:28.600 --> 00:08:30.399 for a reason, no one knew quite what to do. 167 00:08:30.800 --> 00:08:33.679 We were learning what we could learn from from lab work, 168 00:08:33.759 --> 00:08:36.799 from cts and you know, what's the best way to 169 00:08:36.840 --> 00:08:39.360 try and treat this. But in the process we started 170 00:08:39.399 --> 00:08:43.720 sharing other things that we were discovering online. And one 171 00:08:43.759 --> 00:08:47.799 of the things was an article from twenty fifteen. He said, 172 00:08:47.840 --> 00:08:49.799 take a look at this, and it was Ralph Berrick 173 00:08:49.840 --> 00:08:53.720 in North Carolina, Zengli She and Wuhan, China, and they 174 00:08:53.799 --> 00:08:57.120 had created chaimeras in the lab. They had taken parts 175 00:08:57.120 --> 00:09:01.600 of different viruses, made new viruses and made them more 176 00:09:01.639 --> 00:09:05.879 pathogenic to human beings. I mean, this was unbelievable. And 177 00:09:05.960 --> 00:09:10.879 my first thought is bioweapons. That was when I saw that. 178 00:09:10.879 --> 00:09:13.519 That was my first thought. I'm on intelligence committee. I've 179 00:09:13.519 --> 00:09:17.279 been looking at our adversaries bioweapons for some time before 180 00:09:17.320 --> 00:09:20.360 covid Our State Department in two thousand and five said 181 00:09:20.360 --> 00:09:24.399 that China has a bioweapons program. In twenty fifteen, they 182 00:09:24.440 --> 00:09:29.840 published a book in China about making coronavirus bioweapons. 183 00:09:29.919 --> 00:09:31.399 I mean, what more do you need? 184 00:09:31.840 --> 00:09:35.399 And public statements by Chinese scientists about, you know, the 185 00:09:35.480 --> 00:09:40.440 possibility of coronaviruses being bioweapons. It was all there. So 186 00:09:40.519 --> 00:09:45.039 my concern went way up in this situation. And then 187 00:09:45.360 --> 00:09:47.759 you know, you start to uncover things that like we're 188 00:09:47.840 --> 00:09:51.840 actually doing gain of function research in Wuhan, China, which 189 00:09:51.919 --> 00:09:56.600 is the idea of making something more infectious to humans. 190 00:09:57.080 --> 00:10:01.600 It's unbelievable. How did we get here? And and so you know, 191 00:10:01.960 --> 00:10:05.080 I've been looking at all this stuff and several people 192 00:10:05.120 --> 00:10:07.759 on Intelligence Committee especially, and you know, we got a 193 00:10:07.799 --> 00:10:10.879 five hundred and twenty page report that's the unclassified version. 194 00:10:10.919 --> 00:10:14.360 You know, we've got more on the other side and 195 00:10:14.559 --> 00:10:18.039 on the classified side. But let me the overarching thing 196 00:10:18.440 --> 00:10:23.120 to all of this is one China's cover up so obvious. 197 00:10:23.320 --> 00:10:26.080 They got rid of sequence as samples, they wouldn't let 198 00:10:26.080 --> 00:10:29.039 people in THEIRS was a very clear cover up. They 199 00:10:29.080 --> 00:10:31.960 sent me a letter when we started the Select Subcommittee 200 00:10:32.000 --> 00:10:34.639 saying they have grave concerns that we're even looking into 201 00:10:34.679 --> 00:10:37.679 the origins of COVID. You know this is this has 202 00:10:37.879 --> 00:10:41.559 already been settled by that you were doing your own investigations. 203 00:10:41.639 --> 00:10:43.679 Yeah, they frowned on that. Yeah. 204 00:10:44.000 --> 00:10:45.559 I wrote them back and I said, I don't think. 205 00:10:45.600 --> 00:10:47.960 I don't think you're going to dictate what we investigated 206 00:10:48.080 --> 00:10:48.799 on your land states. 207 00:10:50.360 --> 00:10:50.559 No. 208 00:10:50.639 --> 00:10:53.960 But but then they said this is already done by scientists. 209 00:10:54.039 --> 00:10:56.840 I said, well, we have seven physicians on here, and 210 00:10:57.120 --> 00:10:59.840 we're bringing in scientists. And I named five of theirs 211 00:11:00.039 --> 00:11:02.000 that I'd like to see and one of them, I said, 212 00:11:02.039 --> 00:11:05.320 if still alive, if you get my drift there. But 213 00:11:05.360 --> 00:11:08.360 that's how they operate. But it wasn't just their cover up. 214 00:11:08.720 --> 00:11:10.639 It was a cover up within our own government. 215 00:11:10.879 --> 00:11:13.519 And to me, that's I mean. And I looked at you, 216 00:11:13.559 --> 00:11:16.080 look at all the elements of this, and it is 217 00:11:16.159 --> 00:11:18.960 one scandal after another. I mean, each one of these 218 00:11:19.000 --> 00:11:23.200 things by itself is a huge scandal unto itself. But 219 00:11:23.279 --> 00:11:25.279 you pile one on top of the other, on top 220 00:11:25.320 --> 00:11:28.840 of the other, and the American people hear about this 221 00:11:28.919 --> 00:11:31.679 and their eyes start to glaze over because it's just 222 00:11:31.799 --> 00:11:34.480 so much. It really, I mean, it really is. And 223 00:11:34.759 --> 00:11:37.519 each one of these it is absolutely jaw dropping the 224 00:11:37.519 --> 00:11:39.440 way you put it in the report. But before we 225 00:11:39.480 --> 00:11:41.679 get too far down this road, let's let's go back 226 00:11:41.720 --> 00:11:45.639 to the beginning. I think there was a sense in 227 00:11:45.679 --> 00:11:48.159 Congress from the very beginning that we want to have 228 00:11:48.200 --> 00:11:52.279 an investigation, we want to look into this. This investigation 229 00:11:52.440 --> 00:11:54.960 two years you spent on it would not have happened 230 00:11:54.960 --> 00:11:58.799 but for Republicans taking control of the House in twenty twelve. 231 00:11:58.840 --> 00:12:02.559 That's absolutely true. And as a matter of fact, the 232 00:12:02.600 --> 00:12:06.039 minority during this said we were spending a lot of 233 00:12:06.080 --> 00:12:08.720 time on things that we shouldn't be looking into. And 234 00:12:08.799 --> 00:12:12.799 I called this from the very beginning, using my military background, 235 00:12:12.799 --> 00:12:15.639 this is an after action review we're looking at lessons learned, 236 00:12:16.279 --> 00:12:20.000 and we're going to plan out a path forward so 237 00:12:20.080 --> 00:12:23.240 that we are ready equipped and able to go the 238 00:12:23.279 --> 00:12:26.000 next time this something like this happens, and there will 239 00:12:26.039 --> 00:12:28.440 be a next time. The other cover up though, of 240 00:12:28.960 --> 00:12:33.120 the three, if you will, we're international scientists that wanted 241 00:12:33.200 --> 00:12:36.200 to steer everyone away from a lab leak theory and 242 00:12:36.399 --> 00:12:39.279 only look at the possibility of nature. And in their 243 00:12:39.320 --> 00:12:42.519 internal documents they're saying, all right, we're going to write 244 00:12:42.559 --> 00:12:45.440 this article and our job is to disprove the lab 245 00:12:45.519 --> 00:12:48.200 leak theory. They don't even talk about the lab leak 246 00:12:48.240 --> 00:12:50.279 as the theory. They only talk about nature. And in 247 00:12:50.360 --> 00:12:53.639 their internal documents they're saying, we can't rule out that 248 00:12:53.679 --> 00:12:56.840 it's engineered. This thing sure looks engineered. We started to 249 00:12:56.840 --> 00:12:59.639 get all that information through Freedom of Information Act and 250 00:12:59.720 --> 00:13:00.840 then our subpoenas. 251 00:13:01.159 --> 00:13:04.200 But so many times when you have and one of 252 00:13:04.200 --> 00:13:08.080 my big issues, when you have uh when you government 253 00:13:08.080 --> 00:13:10.159 in general, but when you when you have a committee, 254 00:13:10.200 --> 00:13:13.279 when you have an investigation like this, far too often 255 00:13:13.600 --> 00:13:17.399 before the work even begins, there's a there's an outcome 256 00:13:17.519 --> 00:13:21.159 or a destination that seems predetermined. And this happened so 257 00:13:21.200 --> 00:13:25.159 many Times in Washington. My sense is with this committee 258 00:13:25.320 --> 00:13:28.559 that you did not start with a desired result, and 259 00:13:28.600 --> 00:13:30.960 you wanted your work to lead you to that result. 260 00:13:31.720 --> 00:13:34.559 Am I right about that? I wanted to this committee 261 00:13:34.600 --> 00:13:39.159 with the idea of finding fact and exposing what what 262 00:13:39.279 --> 00:13:39.840 really took. 263 00:13:39.759 --> 00:13:42.759 Place and then present a path forward. And so you know, 264 00:13:42.799 --> 00:13:44.679 as I went through this, this was important to me. 265 00:13:44.759 --> 00:13:47.600 I never mentioned political party one time in any of 266 00:13:47.600 --> 00:13:50.240 our writings or in a conversation. We did not mention 267 00:13:50.360 --> 00:13:54.120 political party on our side because it was about finding facts. 268 00:13:54.360 --> 00:13:56.799 But what actually happened, Dan is every time we looked 269 00:13:56.840 --> 00:13:58.879 under a rock, there was another rock to look under it, 270 00:13:59.320 --> 00:14:01.600 and another lie rock to look under. So yeah, we're 271 00:14:01.720 --> 00:14:03.960 going to look at EcoHealth Alliance, who was doing gain 272 00:14:03.960 --> 00:14:07.679 of function research in China. Well, as we're looking through 273 00:14:07.720 --> 00:14:10.840 their stuff and their internal documents, we hear from doctor 274 00:14:10.960 --> 00:14:14.440 David Moorins, who was doctor Fauci's deputy, and he's saying 275 00:14:14.480 --> 00:14:19.159 things like, hey, write me on my Gmail because these 276 00:14:19.200 --> 00:14:23.759 blankety blanks are foyering me in other words, requesting documents 277 00:14:23.840 --> 00:14:27.399 which belonged to the American people. He goes, and I'll 278 00:14:27.440 --> 00:14:29.320 delete anything I don't want showing up in the New 279 00:14:29.360 --> 00:14:33.919 York Times. Clear intent to deceive the American people was 280 00:14:34.399 --> 00:14:36.960 right there. So now we look into him and it just. 281 00:14:37.000 --> 00:14:39.559 Kind of thing is, people like Rand Paul were exposing 282 00:14:39.600 --> 00:14:43.159 this in real time, and when all this was going on, 283 00:14:43.240 --> 00:14:45.679 there was no sense that any of this needs to 284 00:14:45.679 --> 00:14:48.039 be investigated, none of this needs to be looked into. 285 00:14:48.480 --> 00:14:52.159 And again, we wouldn't be here today had it not 286 00:14:52.240 --> 00:14:56.039 been for a change in what happened in leadership. 287 00:14:56.480 --> 00:15:01.399 Yeah, Ram Paul asked the you question, were you doing 288 00:15:01.440 --> 00:15:02.919 gain of function research in China? 289 00:15:03.039 --> 00:15:04.279 Doctor Falci said no. 290 00:15:04.600 --> 00:15:08.200 Then later he said, I was thinking of the different 291 00:15:08.240 --> 00:15:11.919 definition suddenly that suddenly appeared on their website. I was 292 00:15:11.960 --> 00:15:14.879 thinking of a different definition. That's that's why I said 293 00:15:14.919 --> 00:15:15.480 it that way. 294 00:15:16.399 --> 00:15:18.679 You know. So he told him, you don't know what 295 00:15:18.720 --> 00:15:20.799 you're talking about, That's what he said. Did you ever 296 00:15:20.840 --> 00:15:22.399 say that to you, You don't know what you're talking No, 297 00:15:22.440 --> 00:15:24.399 he didn't know. He did not, because by the time 298 00:15:24.440 --> 00:15:27.559 I had him. By the time I had him, we 299 00:15:27.600 --> 00:15:29.679 had a pretty idea what we were talking about, and 300 00:15:30.000 --> 00:15:34.320 he knew and understood that and respected that. I think throughout. 301 00:15:35.360 --> 00:15:38.919 And you know, look, we got him going from where 302 00:15:38.919 --> 00:15:42.120 he had publicly said, you know, it's a conspiracy theory 303 00:15:42.200 --> 00:15:44.519 if you say it came from the lab to No, 304 00:15:44.559 --> 00:15:47.720 it's not a conspiracy theory. Doctor Collins, the same thing, 305 00:15:47.759 --> 00:15:51.360 but look, here's the motive. In twenty eleven and twenty twelve, 306 00:15:51.440 --> 00:15:54.519 you know, you got articles by Fauci and Collins bragging 307 00:15:54.559 --> 00:15:57.360 about gain to function research being a great tool, and 308 00:15:57.480 --> 00:16:01.279 their idea was that they could create a virus and 309 00:16:01.600 --> 00:16:05.039 that they think will come out of nature eventually, and 310 00:16:05.120 --> 00:16:07.799 if we already have it and can create a vaccine 311 00:16:07.799 --> 00:16:09.799 for it, then we're ahead of the game. But they 312 00:16:09.840 --> 00:16:13.440 were asked in twenty twelve doctor Fauci specifically, well aren't 313 00:16:13.480 --> 00:16:16.279 you concerned about it getting out lab and creating a pandemic? 314 00:16:16.320 --> 00:16:18.519 This is in twenty twelve, and he said, well, I 315 00:16:18.600 --> 00:16:20.200 think the benefits out weigh the risk. 316 00:16:20.320 --> 00:16:23.480 Oh, for God's sake, all right, yeah, and how many 317 00:16:23.519 --> 00:16:27.879 million dead? That's what would maybe you know, frown on that. 318 00:16:28.360 --> 00:16:33.039 So wouldn't you want to say that it came from nature? Well? Yeah, 319 00:16:34.480 --> 00:16:36.759 wash your hands. Look look at the shiny object over there. 320 00:16:36.799 --> 00:16:38.519 Don't look at me. All right, we got to get 321 00:16:38.519 --> 00:16:40.159 to a break. But when we come back, I want 322 00:16:40.159 --> 00:16:42.720 to start walking through some of the specific points that 323 00:16:43.320 --> 00:16:44.960 you make in the report, and we'll go through those 324 00:16:45.240 --> 00:16:47.679 one by one as we spend the seven o'clock hour 325 00:16:47.879 --> 00:16:50.639 with Congressman Brad Westerner up here on fifty five KRCV 326 00:16:50.840 --> 00:16:54.679 Talks to fifty five KRCD Talk station. Dan Carroll for 327 00:16:54.759 --> 00:16:58.679 Brian Thomas and Brad weinstervis here today talking about the 328 00:16:58.759 --> 00:17:02.679 Select Subcommittee on the coronavirus pandemic. To your investigation has done, 329 00:17:02.679 --> 00:17:05.720 the report is out. You had a markup that happened. 330 00:17:06.480 --> 00:17:09.279 I believe it was Thursday last week. Wednesday, Thursday last week. 331 00:17:09.680 --> 00:17:13.200 And what exactly was that about. 332 00:17:13.319 --> 00:17:17.119 The markup was just we had unanimous consent from both 333 00:17:17.160 --> 00:17:21.720 sides of the aisle OK to move the reports, our 334 00:17:21.759 --> 00:17:22.799 report forwards. 335 00:17:22.880 --> 00:17:25.640 So a procedural thing more more than anything else. That's 336 00:17:25.680 --> 00:17:30.680 all I was. Yeah, no fireworks. Let's start with some 337 00:17:30.759 --> 00:17:32.920 of the things that jumped out at me. And when 338 00:17:32.920 --> 00:17:36.759 we talk about the origin of the COVID nineteen, which 339 00:17:36.839 --> 00:17:39.839 I called the Wuhan virus. So the committee finds COVID 340 00:17:39.920 --> 00:17:43.759 nineteen most likely emerged from a lab in Wuhan, China, 341 00:17:44.400 --> 00:17:49.000 And you provide some of the five strongest arguments in 342 00:17:49.079 --> 00:17:52.440 favor of the lab leak theory. One that resonates with 343 00:17:52.519 --> 00:17:58.599 me is that the virus possesses a biological characistic not 344 00:17:58.880 --> 00:18:02.119 found in nature, and if there was evidence of a 345 00:18:02.200 --> 00:18:06.720 natural origin, it would have already surfaced. So when we 346 00:18:06.759 --> 00:18:10.400 look at these this sort of evidence, why can we 347 00:18:10.440 --> 00:18:14.079 not say definitively that the virus came from a lamb? 348 00:18:14.400 --> 00:18:17.119 Because China didn't cooperate at all, and so that's always 349 00:18:17.200 --> 00:18:20.799 going to be the unknown. And if somebody from China 350 00:18:20.839 --> 00:18:23.839 were to speak up and tell the whole story and 351 00:18:23.839 --> 00:18:26.960 tell the truth and say, you know what they thought, 352 00:18:27.000 --> 00:18:30.000 we destroyed the samples, I actually have them, that person 353 00:18:30.000 --> 00:18:33.720 probably wouldn't be around very long. But that's the biggest obstruction. 354 00:18:33.839 --> 00:18:38.119 But as John Radcliffe, who was Director of National Intelligence 355 00:18:38.160 --> 00:18:41.440 and now will be CIA director, what he said was true. 356 00:18:41.480 --> 00:18:45.920 He said nobody had more intelligence in front of them 357 00:18:46.319 --> 00:18:50.279 than he did. You know, from across the board, and 358 00:18:50.519 --> 00:18:54.319 if you were to put together the forensics the evidence, 359 00:18:54.359 --> 00:18:58.599 if you will, on one side you had arguments for nature, 360 00:18:59.119 --> 00:19:02.960 and the other side you had arguments for LAB. I mean, 361 00:19:03.200 --> 00:19:05.240 the list goes on and on for LAB and it's 362 00:19:05.359 --> 00:19:07.559 very short in nature, and you've never found it, which 363 00:19:07.640 --> 00:19:11.200 usually we have at some points you find the animal. 364 00:19:11.480 --> 00:19:15.279 And the article that was written called proximal Origins was 365 00:19:15.640 --> 00:19:18.559 by a group of scientists that Fauci, Collins and a 366 00:19:18.559 --> 00:19:23.000 guy named Jeremy Farrar put together, and they even said 367 00:19:23.119 --> 00:19:26.400 in their emails that their focus was to disprove the 368 00:19:26.480 --> 00:19:30.160 lab leak theory when they wrote their article. And the 369 00:19:30.319 --> 00:19:33.039 very day that doctor Fauci went on the White House 370 00:19:33.119 --> 00:19:37.079 lawn and acted surprise, like, whoa, look, here's this article, 371 00:19:37.119 --> 00:19:39.839 which he knew was being written. He said, this article 372 00:19:39.880 --> 00:19:45.160 by these brilliant evolutionary virologists are saying that this came 373 00:19:45.240 --> 00:19:49.279 from this came from nature, This came from nature, and 374 00:19:49.559 --> 00:19:52.839 that should settle it right. The very day one of 375 00:19:52.880 --> 00:19:55.960 the authors of that was writing an email and he said, 376 00:19:56.000 --> 00:19:58.480 we still can't rule out this thing as engineered. 377 00:19:58.799 --> 00:19:59.920 There's just too much there. 378 00:20:00.400 --> 00:20:02.480 This is what they were saying, but not what they 379 00:20:02.519 --> 00:20:05.160 presented to the public, and not what doctor Fauci presented 380 00:20:05.200 --> 00:20:08.200 to the public. And when we had doctor Fauci in 381 00:20:08.480 --> 00:20:12.920 for interview, you know, I said, well, you tellted this 382 00:20:13.039 --> 00:20:17.279 article proximal origins, I said, but you now say that 383 00:20:17.359 --> 00:20:19.680 it's not a conspiracy theory that it could be a 384 00:20:19.759 --> 00:20:22.680 lab leak theory. He said, did you ever talk to 385 00:20:23.359 --> 00:20:26.359 the authors of or read these articles? And I went 386 00:20:26.400 --> 00:20:30.279 through litany of scientific articles by actual virologists that were saying, 387 00:20:30.880 --> 00:20:33.400 here's how you can make this in the lab, and 388 00:20:33.440 --> 00:20:35.680 how we believe it was made in the lab COVID 389 00:20:35.720 --> 00:20:38.759 nineteen I'm talking about. And he said, no, never talk 390 00:20:38.839 --> 00:20:41.680 to them. Well, you said you had an open mind, 391 00:20:42.000 --> 00:20:43.960 But how can you say you have an open mind 392 00:20:44.000 --> 00:20:46.880 if you never looked into the other side and all 393 00:20:46.960 --> 00:20:50.920 that was out there, and so but we did, But 394 00:20:51.079 --> 00:20:53.920 we did, and we talked to them all. We talked 395 00:20:53.920 --> 00:20:56.440 to people from both sides. We talked to the people 396 00:20:56.440 --> 00:20:59.359 that said they thought it came from nature, who all 397 00:20:59.400 --> 00:21:01.599 had skin in the game because they do this type 398 00:21:01.640 --> 00:21:06.319 of work. And these were people involved that said things like, 399 00:21:07.440 --> 00:21:11.440 imagine the s show that will happen if people think 400 00:21:11.480 --> 00:21:14.039 this came from the lab. And I'm paraphrasing here, right, 401 00:21:14.279 --> 00:21:17.680