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much for your support. I made this announcement last week.
I believe I was the one that exclusively broke the
news when I read it off of the press release
that TJ Richie was going to be joining the lineup
here at WBT. And so I said, I'm going to
make him wait for like a week and then I
will bring him on just to you know, assert dominance.
Speaker 2: But no, no need for that. I already knew.
Speaker 1: Now. TJ is a longtime Charlotte radio guy as and
Tjshow you may know him from. And you are doing
so this is so you're going to start the BT
slot seven to nine May twenty seventh, right, yes, and
so you're doing something You're still doing your own deal, right?
What is that?
Speaker 2: My partner's name is Riggins. Now it's the TJ and
Riggins Show, and we're a syndicated morning show on several,
probably eight or nine stations, so we still do that,
and you know, podcasts and different things. My wife and
I even have a podcast, which may go away when
I start staying up here late every night. It just depends, right,
So I'm gonna be doing all of that at the
spry young age of fifty five. There you go with
a sleeping disorder. And I need your weight loss place
that I heard you talking about the other day.
Speaker 1: Nope, I Conde PhD Weight loss and nutrition. See, this
is why I had to start dominance because he's he's
got way more irons in his fire here. So all right, So,
by the way, I'm lucky that I made it back
in town for this. I was sweating it from being
at the met Gala last night. Oh really, yeah, I
thought I saw you on the carpet. Yeah up, my
alley man. I saw a good proposal that from now
on the Met Gala should just ban all dudes and
disinvite all women except for Sidney Sweeney. Sure, and I
think that would be yeah right. I saw Walter Goggins.
You know who this is, Walton Goggins.
Speaker 2: Yeah, huh.
Speaker 1: Did you ever see his ads for the goggles?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're in every single freaking YouTube video that I see,
but the but he was there wearing some sort of
like a full length duster, yeah, jacket coat or something
that was like puffy.
Speaker 2: Yeah. He's considered right now one of the best character
actors out and I like, yeah, I do too, but
he's weird. Yeah, and it's it's a shame because he's
really southern. Yeah, you know, I think he's from Georgia
or Justified. Oh that's my favorite. Yeah, and uh, you know,
do you know who Nick Sercy is? Yeah? Yea from Kulae.
Speaker 1: Yes, and I chatted with him. Have you ever had
a chance to interview No, I may be able to
hook you up with him. Oh yeah, you're interested because
he I talked with him years ago when Justified was
on and I asked him about the fight between like
a fistfight between Timothy Oliphant yeah and Walton Goggins, because
I said they're not very big dudes, and he's and
he just riffed on. He was like it's he's like
I was worried that there would be broken bones because
they're just two very small guys. You know, they're forrail
They seemed kind of you know, TV makes you look bigger,
But have you ever done any TV work?
Speaker 2: No, not like that. I was a theater major though
in college I turned down a football scholarship to do
my dad's alma mater to take a theater scholarship at
the same school. And I still think that that's why
he and my mom got divorced, because he blamed her
for putting it in my head that I could be
an entertainer.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, yeah, she was right.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah she was. They were right about that
and putting braces on my teeth. Other than that, it
was a disaster in my childhood.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, well that's good though it has made you
into the entertaining person that you are. You got to
go through. It's like you can't sing the Blues if
you had an easy life.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, like a preacher's no good if he
doesn't have a personal testimony sermon. There you go, you know,
so I'll tell him you're no good preacher.
Speaker 1: I did tell me your testimony. So okay, So where
where are you originally from you. You're not from Charlotte.
Speaker 2: No, Central Louisiana. A little town called Winfield. It's about
two hours south of Shreveport, about one hour north of Alexandria.
Those are the biggest cities that it's close to.
Speaker 1: I've heard of Shreveport.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's I don't know, the way up north in Louisiana. Okay.
Speaker 1: And so you played football and you were in the theater, yeah,
and base and the same so the same what what
college you go to?
Speaker 2: Louisiana Tech?
Speaker 1: And so they had a what like an intra departmental
fight over where you would go. Why couldn't you do both?
By the way, why couldn't you play football and do theater?
Speaker 2: Because at the time I didn't. I didn't want to
do football anymore. And I thought, by the time I
was nineteen, I was going to be a cast member
on Saturday Night live call some like The Guiding Light
or As the World Turns or somebody. The range. Yeah,
it's quite a range. So I had my mindset on it,
and that's what I And I was tiny, you know,
I was five eight and I weighed about one hundred
and forty pounds. But all they wanted me to do
was be the punter anyway.
Speaker 1: So I could a long career.
Speaker 2: You could have a really long career as a punter,
I know. And I wouldn't have to be doing two
jobs right to make ends meet?
Speaker 1: Right, you would have been retired already.
Speaker 2: Uh huh.
Speaker 1: Yeah, means you probably still would be doing a podcast.
Speaker 2: Sure, yea, that'd be all over the place.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, so you're in You're in Louisianas you
go to college, then what how did you go? How'd
you get into radio? Okay?
Speaker 2: Well, I I was terrible in college, and so I
quit and I went to LA to try my hand
at stand up comedy because somebody from my hometown lived
out there and he worked at a construction site for
an oil refinery. And I got out there and would
do amateur nights and things like that. And then I
was a bellman and a hotel during the day. And
so one day I was off from work and he said, hey,
you want to go to my company softball practice with me?
And I said sure, I don't have anything else to do.
So I got out there. The project manager was there.
He wanted me to play on their company team. So
they said well, he's got to work. He's at the
you know, for the company, to be on the team.
And he gave me a job like a like a
Michelle Obama no show job, and all I had to
do is just go in there and collect a paycheck
and then be on the softball team. And probably your
theater skills that really sold that and so so that
that's what got me into that, and I thought that
was the line of work I wanted to do. And
then my mom came to me one day and she said,
why are you not happy, son? And I said, I
don't know. I was working at a at a mill
in my hometown. So I'm working my hometown. I have
an office job and I should be happy, but I'm not.
And she said, well, you're not happy because you're not
using your talent. She said, anybody could learn to do
the job that you're doing, but you have talent and
you're not using it. It's going to waste. So that's
when I went and applied at my local radio station.
Why there, because I had always thought that that would
be something that would that would allow me to have
my personality and be funny and things like that without
having to deal with all of the show business, you know,
living on the streets and things like that to make it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So did you listen to the station?
Speaker 2: No, So, you know, it was like a small station.
And the bigger station that I listened to, the fund
station was in Alexandria and it was the Top forty
and it was the Ram and jam and slam and
you know whatever. And I worked at the small town
station for a few months and then I got a
job on the weekends at the big station and then
work my way up through there and that's where I'm
at Ace.
Speaker 1: Okay. And so they and that little station allowed you,
obviously to go up and work part Yeah, because I
worked at a small station, they would not allow that.
Speaker 2: This is back in the days where you had to
turn the transmitter off at night on certain certain small stations.
Speaker 1: Here, I worked at a tiny station I shall not name,
and I would have to go out on the hot
days because the transmitter tower, the building at the base
of it as a door and a window mounted AC
unit inside that thing to keep the brains of it cool,
and it would get too hot and I would have
to drive through this pasture sometimes that hadn't been cut
in weeks and you'd have to drive through, get to
the base, open the door and literally like just open
and close the door to fan the thing out for
about an hour.
Speaker 2: It was awful.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all the things you do with the small stations.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I lived at the transmitter house. They have a
they had a where all the transmitter buttons and anything were.
They had a little apartment attached to it, and they
gave me that instead of like they couldn't afford to
pay me rights much, so they said, you can live
in this apartment. And I'd look up some mornings and
the engineer would be walking through my closet into my
apartment to go get It's like, what's going on? It's
the transmitters off pape Yeah.
Speaker 1: Character building.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: All right. So you meet Ace and was he always
called Ace? I always went by Yes, okay, yeah, And
he was already at the station when you went up there.
Speaker 2: He had just graduated from LSU and uh, he was
doing overnights, just getting into radio when I started. So
we were the only young single guys on staff, and
we just you know, hit it off and figured that
if we would have gone to school together, we'd have
been best friends. So and that's where you immediately put
on the air.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Together, Well, no, no, no, no, no no. The first thing
we did I ran Casey Cason programs on Sunday mornings
and that sort of thing. And then they put me
on the air. And then they put moved us into
an apartment together. Same situation. We're gonna get you out
of the transmitter house. You can share an apartment with Ace.
We're like okay. So then we determined we wanted to
be a morning show, and they wouldn't let us at all.
They said, don't you know. We would stay I'd come
on an hour before my shift, he would stay an
hour later, and we'd do it two hours together. And
took a tape in there and plopped it down and said,
this is what we sound like as a morning show.
And they said, don't ever do that again. It's terrible.
So the station went into bankruptcy and everybody on the
staff quit except for the two of us, and then
they had no choice. So night we did mornings, and
then we'd come back and do afternoons and then do
remote broadcasts on location every day.
Speaker 1: Did you ever have to dress up as a mascot?
Speaker 2: No, he did.
Speaker 1: He would do.
Speaker 2: He was the one hundred thousand watt gorilla in Louisiana
in the middle of the summers.
Speaker 1: And I'm sure he wasn't the first person. And to
where that no that mascot out, I refused to. They
tried to put me in a dog mascot and I
was like, I took one smell of that thing. I said,
no way, not in South Carolina heat, not going to
do it. TJ Richie is with me. He is soon
to be a host in here on WBT the seven
to nine slot. He's formerly of the ACE and TJ Show,
But TJ and Riggins is the current operation and that
is on eight or nine syndicated stations.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then on our app and digital stuff every day.
So no, that's good.
Speaker 1: You should, yeah, not give people the platforms to find
your content.
Speaker 2: Well, it's tjiggins dot Com. You get it all there,
all right.
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He's I see that you got this into the Charlotte Observer. TJ. Ritchie,
who described himself as America's coolest conservative. Yeah, is that true? Absolutely? Okay,
you and heard that in the conservative circles.
Speaker 2: Pete, Come on.
Speaker 1: Well, no, it says you described yourself after everybody else
described me that way.
Speaker 2: I just QUI as well.
Speaker 1: Because I feel like I missed some election. I mean
I didn't even campaign for this.
Speaker 2: Yeah you know, I figured was going to have a
problem with this is winterable Mmm, but it's not. No,
it's you.
Speaker 1: Now, No, it's I don't have a problem. I just
feel like I missed an opportunity to put a put
a tape together.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: I thought he was to vote for me.
Speaker 1: And or vote for you. That's what I was going
to say, yes, or vote for you? Right? So yeah,
so that's what What is it then that makes you so?
First off, I have to say, you don't give yourself
the nicknames.
Speaker 2: Yeah right, it's it's a it's a trolling thing. Ah
for people who are going to it's it's all sarcasm.
And any anything braggadocious that I say or do is
is mainly to aggravate liberals.
Speaker 1: Yes, I know, so you filled in a couple of
weeks ago, and like I because I admit, like I
was never I've never worked anything other than like nights,
second shifts and stuff like that, so I never got
to hear as and tjah. I never got to hear
your show. So I'm at a loss as to what
kind of content you guys were doing. And I asked
you when you came in, did you guys talk at
all about politics? But generally it seemed like.
Speaker 2: No, yeah, if it were, if something big, then we would.
And the thing is that even though we were a
top forty, you know, fun, silly morning show, our audience
knew that we were real people and if something was
going on that was serious, we would talk about it
and we had opinions. I never got in any flack,
got any flack about that from radio station management. It
was only when I would make jokes about liberals doing
something or saying something, or some kind of an entertainment
story or whatever. That's when they would come to me
and say, we're not talking about politics, because that when
it would hit home with people because they hate to
be made fun of. They hate to be mocked.
Speaker 1: Progressives really have no sense of humor.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, they'll say they do, but only if
somebody else is right and what they say as actors
or something like that. But yeah, and that's the complaint
would hit. And then the management of the radio stations
would be like, oh, we're not that kind of station
and you know whatever. So that's how we would deal
with politics. But there's never been a time when I
would hide my conservatism, you know.
Speaker 1: So people like you feel like your audience probably had
a sense of where your politics.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, absolutely, yeah, and they still do, you know. Yeah,
But I'm but I don't go on and start, you know,
I'll laugh at something Trump does, you know, if he's
you know, like the whole dressing dressing in the pope
and the AI thing and and all of that.
Speaker 1: I still didn't understand why people are mad about that.
These are people that invited these satanic nuns sure to
the La Dodgers games, like really, like, oh, you're you
don't want to offend.
Speaker 2: Catholics, which killed me because the Dodgers have the best
looking uniforms they do, and even though I'm not a
huge Dodgers fan, I would consider wearing one of their
hats or something like that. I'm a Braves fan and
especially this year. But yeah, I just don't get it.
It's always it's okay to do for them to do this,
not okay for us to do it, because it's kind
of like people who who have never been to the
South and they and they've always grown up making fun
of Southerners being ignorance and red neck and all of
this stuff. And then when they come to the South
because they're all broken down, northern cities aren't good enough
to support them and let them make a living, so
they come down here or live yeah, and which I love,
I love them to come to just just don't vote
the way you did up there.
Speaker 1: Well, look, I'm originally from New York, and I said,
I came down here. I'm not trying to make it
into New York. I came down here and stayed because
I like it better than I like it up there.
Speaker 2: Well, And so the surprise that people have a lot
of times when they find out that Southerners make jokes
about people from other parts of the country, Like we
thought y'all were just the ones that got made fun of.
So that's the way it is. With liberals. They're like,
oh my god, he's making a joke at our expense, right,
Like if I could be the conservative John Stewart, John
liebowitz Ka, John Stewart, that would be pretty cool. Yeah,
you know, but and how many people would allow that?
Now they might yeah, you know, well now that they
know I'm America's cool as conservative.
Speaker 1: Now everybody knows it. Ye now I'm out of the running. Okay,
So all right, TJ. Richie, welcome aboard. I'm super happy
that you're here, honored that you'd come on to the show.
And uh, this is going to be seven o'clock till
nine o'clock starting on May twenty seventh, so he's got
to get all this affairs in order here before they launch.
And uh and then seven to nine right here on
w et.
Speaker 2: And I've been a fan of yours for a long time. Yeah,
unlike you if I just got here when you were
a news guy. Oh as a newsy you were, you
were listening to the newscasts. Yep, wow, sure was.
Speaker 1: See now see now he's trying to make me feel
okay for being the coolest conservative. Actually I'm more of
a lowercase libertarian. So I'll tell you what. Yeah, I
don't want the title. Okay, good, okay, good DJ Ritchie,
thanks buddy, thank you.
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And now I want to welcome to the program Joe Bruno.
He is with w SOCTV. Joe, welcome to the show.
Speaker 3: How are you hey, Pete? Great? Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1: Yes, sir, so all right, tell me the entire story
of the CMPD chief in three minutes. No, I'm kidding,
although you probably could because you're her TV guy, so
you could probably cram it down into a two minute
package for me. But did you? Was there were there
rumors swirling between I guess the original idea that former
city councilman Tarc Pacary had to get these police you know,
bulletproof ves for the officers, from when that first was
being debated, and then now like, were there rumors swirling
around that there was potential litigation coming from the chief
on all of this?
Speaker 3: No, this has the city did a great job until
last week of keeping this hush hush in secret. Then
a source told me about the closed session meeting that
was held last week in which the city nearly voted
to settle with sanpity Chief Johnny Jennings. And then from
there we've just been piecing together all of this drama
and mess that has been unfolding between the city considering
or the Chief considering suing the city. You have Sandy
Vastola suing the FOP that lossuits being appealed. And then
you also have this ethics complaint that we have uncovered
against Tark Pacari that failed, but we have since learned
the two top aids to the Chief helped advise the
NAACP president on how to file it. So we have
all of this stuff that has been simmering behind the
scenes all of a sudden is coming to light. And
you have these three major controversies involving sampity in the
city that have really taken the spotlight.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: Yes, because I follow your work and you read all
the local TV websites and the Charlotte Observer and all
this stuff, I did not catch any whiff of any
of this kind of stuff until it all just kind
of erupted. So I was like, man, either I'm not
paying attention close enough, or this came out of nowhere.
So okay, so that's good to confirm that it did
just kind of come out of nowhere. So you've got
Tark Pacari no longer on city council because he took
the job up in DC for the Trump administration, but
he wanted new vests for law enforcement officers. And this
was this idea of his was prompted by the standoff
that led to four law enforcement agents losing their lives
serving a warrant, and he said, we need to get
them better vests. And the police chief, Johnny Jennings said no,
he didn't want these vests because and I thought maybe
this wasn't like the real reason or something, but because
it never seemed to be like a real legitimate kind
of excuse for why you don't want the vests is
that they looked too military like. But that is in
fact the reason.
Speaker 3: That is the reason that we have been told is
that Chief Jennings did not like the look to militarize
the look. You worried that it could impact the police
relationship with the community. Really it was the aesthetic there.
And then Councilman McCary was advocating for the rank and
file officers who even before the Galway Drive shooting had
been wanting to wear these vests because as a helpless
load management and they're easier access and so of course
counselor of McCary launched his petition drive, and he launched
a very public awareness and campaign aimed at getting these
vests for all officers, and ultimately that campaign was successful. However,
what the Chief is saying is in that process he
was unfairly targeted and his reputation was hurt by some
of the things that mister McCary was saying and some
of the messages that he was receiving from him, right, and.
Speaker 1: Some of the text messages now we have seen I
think WFAE published some of them as well, that Bakari said,
you know, you made a terrible error in judgment, my friend,
I hate what comes next, and he said he will
not stop and it will cripple your legacy you've worked
so hard for. So that would speak to some sort
of intent and that Bakari might have had to try
to reputationally damage the police chief, and so that it
seems like if he's going to cite that, that would
be some pretty solid evidence.
Speaker 3: The Chief, from my understanding, views that message as inappropriate.
Now it is important that now we don't know what
exactly is in his legal claim that he was considering filing,
because remember nothing has been filed. But my understanding is
that message may play a role in all of this
and Counsel's lack of response to Councilman Bakari's pursuit of
these outer carrier vests. And now you know, the city
ultimately chose or choosing to settle with the chief. Doing
so will prevent that lawsuit from being filed. It will
present prevent a really prolonged legal battle that could get defensive,
could be embarrassing, and ultimately that is what Capsel is
deciding to do. But because nothing has been filed, we
really don't have a better idea of what Chief Jennings
claims are and how he feels he was unfairly marveled, right,
And it's also important to note that he isn't commenting
on this situation.
Speaker 1: Right and honestly, like I think you would have to
prove some sort of actual reputational damage, which I'm not
sure he really suffered in any of this. This now, this,
this potential lawsuit I think actually does more damage to
his reputation than the fight over the vests. I you know,
I think everybody had moved past that, but I don't know.
But then you mentioned this NAACP complaint. This is the
local chapter. Yeah, is it the local chapter of the
Okay so Corent Mac the local chapter president. And she
is then saying, I want to file a complaint against
Bakari and she reaches out to to CMPD and she
speaks with you mentioned Veastola. This is uh what you
deal with her? I'm sure what's her first name? Sandy?
Speaker 3: Yes, top communications aid to the chief.
Speaker 1: And there's another fellow, Major Brad Coke or Koch Coke,
I don't know.
Speaker 3: Major. Yes, he is essentially the Chief's right hand man,
executive officer, deputy assistant. He's a major h with CMPD.
Speaker 1: So yes, so, yeah, that happened.
Speaker 3: There is you know, after the chief reversus his stance
allows all officers the abilit to apply to wear for
outer carrier vests. Krine Mac starts her own probe about
the situation and comments of the car he made and
reaches out to CMPD. And what we have learned is
that Sandy Vastola uh sent an email on her personal
account to Brad Koch advising Reverend Mac what she could
include in an ethics complaint against PARI. Major Coch then
fords that email to the NAACP president. This was all
in August. The ethics complaint was filed in January. In
between that time, I'm told Reverend mac was waiting for
records requests to be produced, and she also met with
Koch and Vestola at least once to discuss the complaint.
But this is the first time we're hearing a that
there was a complaint, B that the complaint was dismissed,
and C that two of the chief's top aides had
a role in advising Reverend Mac on that complaint.
Speaker 1: Like literally, the language like the language in the in
the official complaint matches some of the language in the
email from cmpd Vestola and Kotch. So it seems like
some level, whether the officers intended it to be or not,
it turned into like some sort of cooperation. It looks
like or you know, like, hey, this is what you
say in the complaint in order to you know, outline
the charges that we think Bakari that he did and
the damage that was done because of it, and it
just it seems it seems collusive. That's the perception here
is that it seems like there was a coordinated effort
and now with the police chief looking to sue, it's
it this is my word, not yours, not anybody else.
But it almost seems kind of like a shakedown. That's
what it looks. That's what it seems like to me,
that there are these different parties that are aiding and
abetting the shaking down of the city government to get
half a million dollars for the police chief. That's what
it looks like to me.
Speaker 3: So what we what I'm hearing now is from a
lot of people who are questioning and wondering how the
city determines that the messages sent by Vastola and Koch
were personal business, because as part of the story yesterday,
the city said human resources will not be investigating this.
These are messages sent on personal devices from personal email
addresses which the city doesn't control. Even though these two
top aides are talking about the CMPD chief and you
know what, you know, kind of working without the chief's
knowledge with mac on this complaint, it may seem like
it's city business, but the city does not determine or
does not believe it is city business. So there won't
be a further investigation into that communication or whether it
was permissible, right.
Speaker 1: Because they're allowed to engage in political activity outside of
the workplace and it was on their personal email. So
that's I think the argument that the city is making.
And I get that it's a I think it's a
fair argument, but it also and you step back and
you look at all of the events, like you've just
outlined it, it doesn't look good. It just doesn't look good.
Doesn't feel good either, So all right, Joe Bruno from WSOC,
is there anything else you want to add you think
is important or interesting to note here that people should know.
Speaker 3: I will just say that right now, shitty council members
are not publicly talking, and I do think that this
issue is just going to continue to surface and you know,
bubble up, because I don't believe that. I don't believe
that this is the end of this issue. I think
more is going to come out, and I think more
people are going to speak up in the coming weeks
as well.
Speaker 1: Okay, well, you can learn all about it when they
do at wsoctv dot com. Joe Bruno from WSOC, Thanks
so much, Joe, good to talk with you, sir.
Speaker 3: Thanks for your work on this absolutely Thank you. Pete.
Speaker 1: All right, take care. That's Joe Bruno from WSOCTV. WSOCTV
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the news. I'm going to talk about this email that
was sent by Sandy Vastola to CNPD Major Brad Koch.
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Vestola is the Public Affairs Division Bureau commander. And this
August twenty seventh email from Vestola to Major Cooch telling
her or sorry her telling him what to put in
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reached out to Coch to ask what can I put
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of the local NAACP, Reverend Korean Mac. She very well
may have said, tell me exactly what to say, what
do I need to put in the complaint? I don't
know that, but I will assume that that did not happen.
She was simply reaching out. And maybe she knows Major Kotch.
Maybe they're friends, maybe they have a working relationship together,
do stuff together. I don't know, but for some reason
she is she reached out to the chiefs right hand
man to ask what to put into a complaint. She
was wanting to file a complaint against Bokari, and I
feel like it's important to point out Bakari one of
the only Republicans on the council and everybody else Democrats,
and so she wants to file this ethics complaint against Bakari,
but she wants to do a summary of what he
did that is a violation. And so rather than I
guess reaching out to Jennings directly, or maybe she tried
and he said talk to Kach. I don't know. We
need to find out though, because this this, this looks bad,
particularly now that you're gonna put a five hundred thousand
dollars price tag on whatever. This is? All right, that'll
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