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Speaker 1: SKO listeners. Here comes kt fun tweets around.
Speaker 2: Now, let's come around the sports kt FU tweets as
Speaker 2: all the sports. Yeah, hey guys, it's me mid Country
Speaker 2: KT Country K two. Hey guys, been founding cowboys yes
Speaker 2: all the time. Oh my goodness, what's going on with them?
Speaker 2: They're playing all the football. Okay, gotta go to Vegas.
Speaker 2: See later, Ben, If you don't mind, I'll take over. Yeah, plead,
Speaker 2: Little Country KT, please, we have lots of Cowboys things
Speaker 2: to talk about, but you know, everyone's focused on the
Speaker 2: coaching search. And yesterday very well placed sources were like, dude,
Speaker 2: they're gonna hire Schottenheimer by the end of the day
Speaker 2: or by for sure, by the end of the weekend.
Speaker 2: And then yesterday Little Country KT came on and said
Speaker 2: that he was gonna bet his entire family fortune, which
Speaker 2: is an airline fortune. He was gonna bet the entire
Speaker 2: fortune that Pete Carroll was gonna be the Cowboys coach.
Speaker 1: Oh.
Speaker 2: And then I woke up this morning and Pete Carroll
Speaker 2: is gonna be the Raiders coach because Tom Brady said so.
Speaker 2: You know, I feel like it sounded like there was
Speaker 2: legit interest there from the Cowboys. Yeah, and Pete Carroll
Speaker 2: a guy who's been around the block a few times
Speaker 2: and knows how to tell a good organization from a
Speaker 2: bad one.
Speaker 1: So no, I'd rather have the Raiders. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, now hold on, let me throw this out there,
Speaker 2: because really I'm more interested in kicking KT in the
Speaker 2: nuts when he can't protect himself.
Speaker 1: But before we do that, we should all acknowledge.
Speaker 2: I feel like Christina feels this way you probably feel
Speaker 2: this way. KT is our football insider. Oh yeah, he
Speaker 2: knows NFL world, and he's studied film and is because
Speaker 2: he spent time studying film, He's got great draft connections
Speaker 2: like people that work drafts, and he knows people.
Speaker 1: So KT's very plugged in playing off time.
Speaker 2: I'm not there. He is going out the door, so
Speaker 2: I'm not. I don't I want to kick him in
Speaker 2: the nuts with respect. But as I was sitting there
Speaker 2: listening to his report, which because he is so plugged in,
Speaker 2: I thought, Okay, this is legit. And then when he
Speaker 2: started explaining the reason why, I was like, this makes
Speaker 2: absolutely no sense. And then when I read the David
Speaker 2: Moore article today, So Jerry never had a formal interview
Speaker 2: with Pete Carroll. He called Pete Carroll, and he called
Speaker 2: Pete Carroll this, according to David Moore, after having multiple
Speaker 2: conversations with Brian Schottenheimer, who was already on staff, who
Speaker 2: had worked under Pete Carroll. And as Kat was saying,
Speaker 2: Pete Carroll and Brian Schottenheimer had a falling out over
Speaker 2: difference of philosophy, and so I was like, well, then
Speaker 2: why would Pete Carroll be in the mix and so
Speaker 2: what it sounds like some people are saying is that
Speaker 2: Jerry reached out to Pete Carroll, probably to get his
Speaker 2: opinion of Brian Schottenheimer as opposed to going I've interviewed
Speaker 2: Brian Schottenheimer for two days.
Speaker 1: Do you want to be her coach? No, it's a
Speaker 1: reference call. Yeah, that's kind of like what some people
Speaker 1: are implying.
Speaker 2: I don't think anyone really knows for sure, but there
Speaker 2: was multiple people yesterday that have good connections in the
Speaker 2: Cowboys organization that said they are interested in talking to
Speaker 2: Pete Carroll about the head coaching position, and Jerry talked
Speaker 2: to him. So like David More importing that Jerry talked
Speaker 2: to him informally. I don't know that it was strictly
Speaker 2: a call just say hey, tell me about Schottenheimer. And
Speaker 2: it could be that he called Pete and Pete said,
Speaker 2: you know, I'm going to be the coach of the
Speaker 2: Raiders tomorrow, right. Tom Brady wants me, okay, well see
Speaker 2: you later. To me, It's like, if Pete Carroll could
Speaker 2: choose between either organization, would he have chosen the Cowboys?
Speaker 2: Were they interested? We don't know, but he's off the board.
Speaker 2: Another potential. I mean, dude, and if you told me
Speaker 2: at the beginning of this coach search that Pete Carroll
Speaker 2: was the guy, would have.
Speaker 1: Been No, he's too old. This sucks.
Speaker 2: But after we've been focused on Schottenheimer and Bissacia, I'm.
Speaker 1: Like, oh God, please Pete Carroll, Get Pete Carroll. Nope,
Speaker 1: another one off the board.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't have any interest in Pete Carroll, but
Speaker 2: I certainly have more interest in Pete Carroll than I
Speaker 2: do in Brian Schottenheimer. Now, the other thing I've been
Speaker 2: thinking about, and it.
Speaker 1: May be true, it may not.
Speaker 2: They may have such buyers remorse with Dak that they're like,
Speaker 2: all right, let's just roll this out here for two
Speaker 2: years and then hit the reset button in two years
Speaker 2: after we've fixed ourt. Like if they cut Dak, now
Speaker 2: it's a disaster. And if they cut him in two years,
Speaker 2: they can mitigate the disaster a bit. But in the
Speaker 2: interim they're still going to have to sign Micah and
Speaker 2: they're still probably going to be good enough to be
Speaker 2: in the mix if guys stay healthy. So it could
Speaker 2: just be that they're looking at it going let's not
Speaker 2: spend any money on coaches. Let's figure out what happens
Speaker 2: in two years. But that also seems like a really
Speaker 2: weird thing to do when you're eighty two. I just
Speaker 2: think it's Yeah, it doesn't fit the time window that
Speaker 2: Jerry has left unless he thinks he's going to live forever,
Speaker 2: and he might have you know, he might have a
Speaker 2: blood boy he does that can keep him young.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And then obviously most people feel like this is
Speaker 2: all a waiting game to hand it over to Witting
Speaker 2: at some point. But my point is, if you're just
Speaker 2: gonna give it to some scrub instead of Witting, just
Speaker 2: let Witten have it now. Like, I don't see that
Speaker 2: that's not a huge difference to me. If you're like, no,
Speaker 2: Shottenheimer's been around for a long I don't know that
Speaker 2: that matters.
Speaker 1: I don't. I mean, I'm just I'm fine giving it
Speaker 1: to Witten now.
Speaker 2: If you're just gonna have Schottenheimer hold it down for
Speaker 2: two five hundred seasons so Wittin can take it over,
Speaker 2: you might as well give it to him now.
Speaker 1: You know what I would prefer.
Speaker 2: I would in other words, I want Witten to be
Speaker 2: under a great or. This is why maybe Pete Carroll
Speaker 2: would be better is I want Witten to have a
Speaker 2: year or two of apprenticeship under a great coach. And
Speaker 2: I know that people will say, well, dude, he was
Speaker 2: in pro football forever, like Kavinaugh was kind of making
Speaker 2: that point. I get it, But he was in pro
Speaker 2: football under different circumstances. And when you have a job,
Speaker 2: you approach the job a certain way. That doesn't mean
Speaker 2: you don't absorb everything you can from every possible circumstance.
Speaker 2: But being a player is different than being a coach.
Speaker 2: It just is no matter even if you're a quote
Speaker 2: unquote leader on the field, and it's different sport. But
Speaker 2: the best example I can give you is that Mark
Speaker 2: Keith Morris is not a coach right now because they
Speaker 2: need a player to fill the role of being with
Speaker 2: players because it's just different. It's different for those guys
Speaker 2: the second that you know on the Maverick staff, they
Speaker 2: have Jared Dudley. Jared Dudley's in a different role than
Speaker 2: when he had the Mark Keith Morris role for the
Speaker 2: Lakers and they won a championship.
Speaker 1: It's different. You're you're on a different line.
Speaker 2: And so I think this idea that Witten has a
Speaker 2: chance to be a really great NFL coach. I totally
Speaker 2: will buy into that all day long. But I would
Speaker 2: prefer if you spent a couple of years in some
Speaker 2: sort of assistant capacity. But I would prefer if he
Speaker 2: would do it under a really good head coach instead
Speaker 2: of Hey, Brian Schottenheim. We're standing here, why don't you
Speaker 2: do it for two years?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: And there's talk if Mike Solari could be the offensive
Speaker 2: coordinator with and he is the easy offensive line coach
Speaker 2: for the Cowboys or something, But he's seventy one or
Speaker 2: something like that, and I think he's he was an
Speaker 2: assistant offensive line coach for the Cowboys in eighty seven.
Speaker 1: No do they got to do it with Landry. It's
Speaker 1: just the Cowboys.
Speaker 2: We're all racking our brains and we're all sitting here
Speaker 2: on this ride with them. We're all incredibly underwhelmed. And
Speaker 2: the reason is because the Cowboys don't value the head
Speaker 2: coaching position. They never have. Jerry said anyone could go
Speaker 2: win in any of five hundred coaches could have won
Speaker 2: that Super Bowl. Didn't didn't take Jimmy. Look all prove
Speaker 2: it with going to getting Switzer to eat a hot
Speaker 2: dog on the sideline and win a super Bowl for
Speaker 2: the hot Dog boys. They really like that. Yeah, he
Speaker 2: likes it. I like the way he eats hot dogs.
Speaker 1: So I almost signed Neuralin's no weel. Yeah, so like
Speaker 1: many so they don't value the position.
Speaker 2: So it is what it is like We're we're sitting
Speaker 2: here going would you rather have a coach with no
Speaker 2: coaching experience? It was a badass player or this scrub
Speaker 2: that no other team wants.
Speaker 1: And that's the thing.
Speaker 2: No other teams want the guys they're talking about wanting
Speaker 2: the rumors of the guys that they want. So I
Speaker 2: can only hope that since they haven't hired Schottenheimer yet,
Speaker 2: that they're waiting, hopefully to talk to Kellen Moore. I
Speaker 2: hope the Eagles lose, so Kellen Moore is available to
Speaker 2: talk and I hope they. I mean, but they had
Speaker 2: a three hour interview with him and they only used
Speaker 2: two of those hours, And so is it because they
Speaker 2: were underwhelmed doing that there's no way Jerry can focus
Speaker 2: on a zoom or was it just like that we
Speaker 2: already know the guy, you know, because Ben, they already
Speaker 2: know Brian Schottenheimer and they had two days of interviews
Speaker 2: with him, but that's because it wasn't via zoom. Now
Speaker 2: you said something that's really interesting though, that it really
Speaker 2: gets my brain working. I was sitting here thinking, you know,
Speaker 2: because a lot of plugged in guys like you know,
Speaker 2: Calvin for example, Hey, they're gonna have a higher by
Speaker 2: the end of the weekend. All right, Well, sitting here
Speaker 2: at four o'clock on Friday, unless there's breaking news, it
Speaker 2: ain't gonna happen. However, when is the best place to
Speaker 2: drop news if you want it to go away? Because
Speaker 2: you know it's gonna underwhelm everybody Friday Friday, it's where
Speaker 2: news goes to die. So they could conceivably drop a
Speaker 2: Schottenheimer bomb at any minute, damn well, knowing that everyone's
Speaker 2: gonna hate it. I don't think they even think about
Speaker 2: it like that, you know, I think they I mean,
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 1: I think they think.
Speaker 2: You know what, We're gonna be loud and proud about it,
Speaker 2: and we don't care if everyone's going against us. We're
Speaker 2: blazing our own trail. No one could tell us anything.
Speaker 2: We got a ten million dollar organization. I mean, I
Speaker 2: don't think they're gonna make this pick with their table
Speaker 2: between their legs. I think they're gonna look at it
Speaker 2: and go, we're geniuses.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: No, I think you're probably right, and they've got the
Speaker 2: track record to prove it.
Speaker 1: It's unfortunate.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's sad if that, if you know, nothing
Speaker 2: is going to change. But I feel like this is
Speaker 2: the loudest it's been in a long time to get
Speaker 2: rid of the Joneses. Like, not that we can or
Speaker 2: not that anyone can, but this is the most anti
Speaker 2: Jones Cowboy fan environment I've ever seen. Has anybody seen
Speaker 2: was did Cowboys ratings dip locally in the last couple
Speaker 2: of years?
Speaker 1: Have you seen?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: I think they're still sky high. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think everything they do is turns to gold, except wins.
Speaker 2: At partway. Part of it, too, is Jerry's doing that.
Speaker 2: The NFL is undefeated and indestructible. Like, if you want
Speaker 2: to pull up the fifty most highest rated shows of
Speaker 2: the year, forty of them are going to be NFL games.
Speaker 1: It is every year.
Speaker 2: It's just the most entertaining and wide reaching product out there. Okay,
Speaker 2: here's the Thursday Cowboy News from yesterday that I didn't
Speaker 2: see a lot of chatter about. But it's like, oh God,
Speaker 2: I'll just read this right off Pro Football. Top Cowboys
Speaker 2: quarterback Trayvon Diggs took an important step in his return
Speaker 2: from a seizing season ending knee surgery when he went
Speaker 2: in there and had surgery on his left knee. The
Speaker 2: surgery involves transplanting pieces of bone tissue into the joint
Speaker 2: in order to stimulate growth that will help Digs return
Speaker 2: to the field. What that sounds like the stuff we
Speaker 2: did with the linebacker Smith trying to stimulate growth by
Speaker 2: injecting tissue into stuff. It sounds like we're gonna cut
Speaker 2: off his finger and let it live in his abdomen
Speaker 2: for a year, and then we're going to bring it
Speaker 2: out and try to put it back on. It's like, dude,
Speaker 2: what I don't understand. That sounds horle It sounds horrible.
Speaker 2: It sounds like he may never walk again. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: mean like, and he's gonna play corner. How are you
Speaker 2: going to plan on your future involving him?
Speaker 1: I don't know. That's brutal. All Right, I got another
Speaker 1: one that you're gonna absolutely love.
Speaker 2: One year later, Rex Ryan could end up as the
Speaker 2: Dallas defensive coordinator. I've seen this story. My God, really
Speaker 2: listen to. This is great because I'd forgotten this. You'll
Speaker 2: remember this if you don't. If it doesn't already, jog
Speaker 2: your memory. Last year, the Cowboys were looking to hire
Speaker 2: a new defensive coordinator. Remember they went with Zimmer for
Speaker 2: one year and Rex Ryan told everybody that he would
Speaker 2: have gotten the job if the Cowboys had offered him
Speaker 2: more money, right, didn't didn't Michael Parsons say something about
Speaker 2: him too, And it was like, hey man, remember, yeah,
Speaker 2: I thought there was some media beef. But Kevin it
Speaker 2: says this time around, as they reportedly or poised to
Speaker 2: hire Brian Schottenheimer, Rex could be in play again. It
Speaker 2: would be a role reversal from nine through twenty eleven
Speaker 2: when Schottenheimer served as offensive coordinator with the Jets under Ryan.
Speaker 2: So Schottenheimer and Ryan go back to their time with
Speaker 2: the Jets, which was successful. They went to back to
Speaker 2: back AFC Championship games back then. So if the thing
Speaker 2: was that now a one year deal, maybe Ryan would
Speaker 2: have taken the job if it was more years. But
Speaker 2: are the Jones really gonna change course and give Ryan
Speaker 2: the money he wants to leave? A TV set to
Speaker 2: be the defensive coordinator for the place where his twin
Speaker 2: brother was once a defensive coordinator. I mean it would
Speaker 2: be I think for those media guys, anytime you get
Speaker 2: a chance to go bask in the Cowboys spotlight, you
Speaker 2: should do it because it's just gonna make you a
Speaker 2: better media personality. It's gonna give you more juice. You
Speaker 2: went there, you worked for the Cowboys. Now you're gonna
Speaker 2: you can always go back and get a studio job.
Speaker 2: I think, Okay, what is a worst football name? Dick
Speaker 2: Butkus or Herm Edwards two one four seven eight seven one.
Speaker 2: Wouldn't that be a great way to win Auzi's on
Speaker 2: Sorry tickets man. I just feel like this is as
Speaker 2: bad as it can get. Like the way that they've
Speaker 2: botched this. I thought they were getting rid of McCarthy
Speaker 2: and they had a plan mid season, They're like, get
Speaker 2: the hell out of here, get you get Karthy. Get
Speaker 2: but they were like, uh no, the Bears, you can't
Speaker 2: interview him.
Speaker 1: We're keeping him.
Speaker 2: And then they sat and had to negotiate with him
Speaker 2: and couldn't keep him or he was like, no, I
Speaker 2: don't want to be a part of this. You want
Speaker 2: me to just hold this down for witting? Do you
Speaker 2: know it's such a mess. And then every name you
Speaker 2: here come out associated with the Cowboys. Search is just
Speaker 2: like a fart in an elevator. Do you know who
Speaker 2: wishes he took their two year offer? McCarthy is like,
Speaker 2: what what job is he gonna go get?
Speaker 1: He's gonna sit, He's gonna he's going back to the barn.
Speaker 2: Dude, Why wouldn't he just take the same amount of
Speaker 2: money for two more years?
Speaker 1: Was it was it Kat who said he still might
Speaker 1: be in play.
Speaker 2: There's no way they can go back on that, right, Okay, Mac,
Speaker 2: we want to talk again, you want to come back?
Speaker 2: You know what I mean? How is it different than
Speaker 2: the way they handled z. Not only did they bring
Speaker 2: Zeke back, they forced him carries when no one thought
Speaker 2: he could play anybody.
Speaker 1: They're out of control.
Speaker 2: They're just gonna do whatever the hell they want to do,
Speaker 2: and nothing matters what happens on the field. They don't
Speaker 2: care what anyone says. You know what, I think McCarthy's
Speaker 2: the front runner again. I mean, I'm going on record.
Speaker 2: I think McCarthy's In fact, I bet they announced it
Speaker 2: by the end of the show.
Speaker 1: I just sucks