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<v Speaker 1>SKO listeners. Here comes kt fun tweets around.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, let's come around the sports kt FU tweets as

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<v Speaker 2>all the sports. Yeah, hey guys, it's me mid Country

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<v Speaker 2>KT Country K two. Hey guys, been founding cowboys yes

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<v Speaker 2>all the time. Oh my goodness, what's going on with them?

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<v Speaker 2>They're playing all the football. Okay, gotta go to Vegas.

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<v Speaker 2>See later, Ben, If you don't mind, I'll take over. Yeah, plead,

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<v Speaker 2>Little Country KT, please, we have lots of Cowboys things

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<v Speaker 2>to talk about, but you know, everyone's focused on the

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<v Speaker 2>coaching search. And yesterday very well placed sources were like, dude,

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<v Speaker 2>they're gonna hire Schottenheimer by the end of the day

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<v Speaker 2>or by for sure, by the end of the weekend.

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<v Speaker 2>And then yesterday Little Country KT came on and said

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<v Speaker 2>that he was gonna bet his entire family fortune, which

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<v Speaker 2>is an airline fortune. He was gonna bet the entire

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<v Speaker 2>fortune that Pete Carroll was gonna be the Cowboys coach.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh.

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<v Speaker 2>And then I woke up this morning and Pete Carroll

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<v Speaker 2>is gonna be the Raiders coach because Tom Brady said so.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I feel like it sounded like there was

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<v Speaker 2>legit interest there from the Cowboys. Yeah, and Pete Carroll

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<v Speaker 2>a guy who's been around the block a few times

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<v Speaker 2>and knows how to tell a good organization from a

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<v Speaker 2>bad one.

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<v Speaker 1>So no, I'd rather have the Raiders. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, now hold on, let me throw this out there,

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<v Speaker 2>because really I'm more interested in kicking KT in the

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<v Speaker 2>nuts when he can't protect himself.

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<v Speaker 1>But before we do that, we should all acknowledge.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like Christina feels this way you probably feel

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<v Speaker 2>this way. KT is our football insider. Oh yeah, he

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<v Speaker 2>knows NFL world, and he's studied film and is because

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<v Speaker 2>he spent time studying film, He's got great draft connections

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<v Speaker 2>like people that work drafts, and he knows people.

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<v Speaker 1>So KT's very plugged in playing off time.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not there. He is going out the door, so

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not. I don't I want to kick him in

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<v Speaker 2>the nuts with respect. But as I was sitting there

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<v Speaker 2>listening to his report, which because he is so plugged in,

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<v Speaker 2>I thought, Okay, this is legit. And then when he

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<v Speaker 2>started explaining the reason why, I was like, this makes

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<v Speaker 2>absolutely no sense. And then when I read the David

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<v Speaker 2>Moore article today, So Jerry never had a formal interview

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<v Speaker 2>with Pete Carroll. He called Pete Carroll, and he called

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<v Speaker 2>Pete Carroll this, according to David Moore, after having multiple

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<v Speaker 2>conversations with Brian Schottenheimer, who was already on staff, who

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<v Speaker 2>had worked under Pete Carroll. And as Kat was saying,

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<v Speaker 2>Pete Carroll and Brian Schottenheimer had a falling out over

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<v Speaker 2>difference of philosophy, and so I was like, well, then

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<v Speaker 2>why would Pete Carroll be in the mix and so

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<v Speaker 2>what it sounds like some people are saying is that

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<v Speaker 2>Jerry reached out to Pete Carroll, probably to get his

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<v Speaker 2>opinion of Brian Schottenheimer as opposed to going I've interviewed

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<v Speaker 2>Brian Schottenheimer for two days.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you want to be her coach? No, it's a

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<v Speaker 1>reference call. Yeah, that's kind of like what some people

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<v Speaker 1>are implying.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think anyone really knows for sure, but there

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<v Speaker 2>was multiple people yesterday that have good connections in the

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<v Speaker 2>Cowboys organization that said they are interested in talking to

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<v Speaker 2>Pete Carroll about the head coaching position, and Jerry talked

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<v Speaker 2>to him. So like David More importing that Jerry talked

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<v Speaker 2>to him informally. I don't know that it was strictly

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<v Speaker 2>a call just say hey, tell me about Schottenheimer. And

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<v Speaker 2>it could be that he called Pete and Pete said,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I'm going to be the coach of the

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<v Speaker 2>Raiders tomorrow, right. Tom Brady wants me, okay, well see

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<v Speaker 2>you later. To me, It's like, if Pete Carroll could

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<v Speaker 2>choose between either organization, would he have chosen the Cowboys?

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<v Speaker 2>Were they interested? We don't know, but he's off the board.

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<v Speaker 2>Another potential. I mean, dude, and if you told me

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<v Speaker 2>at the beginning of this coach search that Pete Carroll

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<v Speaker 2>was the guy, would have.

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<v Speaker 1>Been No, he's too old. This sucks.

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<v Speaker 2>But after we've been focused on Schottenheimer and Bissacia, I'm.

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<v Speaker 1>Like, oh God, please Pete Carroll, Get Pete Carroll. Nope,

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<v Speaker 1>another one off the board.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't have any interest in Pete Carroll, but

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<v Speaker 2>I certainly have more interest in Pete Carroll than I

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<v Speaker 2>do in Brian Schottenheimer. Now, the other thing I've been

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<v Speaker 2>thinking about, and it.

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<v Speaker 1>May be true, it may not.

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<v Speaker 2>They may have such buyers remorse with Dak that they're like,

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<v Speaker 2>all right, let's just roll this out here for two

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<v Speaker 2>years and then hit the reset button in two years

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<v Speaker 2>after we've fixed ourt. Like if they cut Dak, now

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<v Speaker 2>it's a disaster. And if they cut him in two years,

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<v Speaker 2>they can mitigate the disaster a bit. But in the

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<v Speaker 2>interim they're still going to have to sign Micah and

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<v Speaker 2>they're still probably going to be good enough to be

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<v Speaker 2>in the mix if guys stay healthy. So it could

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<v Speaker 2>just be that they're looking at it going let's not

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<v Speaker 2>spend any money on coaches. Let's figure out what happens

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<v Speaker 2>in two years. But that also seems like a really

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<v Speaker 2>weird thing to do when you're eighty two. I just

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<v Speaker 2>think it's Yeah, it doesn't fit the time window that

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<v Speaker 2>Jerry has left unless he thinks he's going to live forever,

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<v Speaker 2>and he might have you know, he might have a

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<v Speaker 2>blood boy he does that can keep him young.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. And then obviously most people feel like this is

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<v Speaker 2>all a waiting game to hand it over to Witting

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<v Speaker 2>at some point. But my point is, if you're just

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<v Speaker 2>gonna give it to some scrub instead of Witting, just

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<v Speaker 2>let Witten have it now. Like, I don't see that

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<v Speaker 2>that's not a huge difference to me. If you're like, no,

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<v Speaker 2>Shottenheimer's been around for a long I don't know that

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<v Speaker 2>that matters.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't. I mean, I'm just I'm fine giving it

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<v Speaker 1>to Witten now.

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<v Speaker 2>If you're just gonna have Schottenheimer hold it down for

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<v Speaker 2>two five hundred seasons so Wittin can take it over,

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<v Speaker 2>you might as well give it to him now.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what I would prefer.

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<v Speaker 2>I would in other words, I want Witten to be

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<v Speaker 2>under a great or. This is why maybe Pete Carroll

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<v Speaker 2>would be better is I want Witten to have a

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<v Speaker 2>year or two of apprenticeship under a great coach. And

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<v Speaker 2>I know that people will say, well, dude, he was

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<v Speaker 2>in pro football forever, like Kavinaugh was kind of making

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<v Speaker 2>that point. I get it, But he was in pro

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<v Speaker 2>football under different circumstances. And when you have a job,

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<v Speaker 2>you approach the job a certain way. That doesn't mean

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<v Speaker 2>you don't absorb everything you can from every possible circumstance.

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<v Speaker 2>But being a player is different than being a coach.

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<v Speaker 2>It just is no matter even if you're a quote

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<v Speaker 2>unquote leader on the field, and it's different sport. But

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<v Speaker 2>the best example I can give you is that Mark

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<v Speaker 2>Keith Morris is not a coach right now because they

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<v Speaker 2>need a player to fill the role of being with

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<v Speaker 2>players because it's just different. It's different for those guys

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<v Speaker 2>the second that you know on the Maverick staff, they

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<v Speaker 2>have Jared Dudley. Jared Dudley's in a different role than

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<v Speaker 2>when he had the Mark Keith Morris role for the

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<v Speaker 2>Lakers and they won a championship.

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<v Speaker 1>It's different. You're you're on a different line.

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<v Speaker 2>And so I think this idea that Witten has a

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<v Speaker 2>chance to be a really great NFL coach. I totally

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<v Speaker 2>will buy into that all day long. But I would

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<v Speaker 2>prefer if you spent a couple of years in some

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<v Speaker 2>sort of assistant capacity. But I would prefer if he

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<v Speaker 2>would do it under a really good head coach instead

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<v Speaker 2>of Hey, Brian Schottenheim. We're standing here, why don't you

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<v Speaker 2>do it for two years?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>And there's talk if Mike Solari could be the offensive

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<v Speaker 2>coordinator with and he is the easy offensive line coach

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<v Speaker 2>for the Cowboys or something, But he's seventy one or

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<v Speaker 2>something like that, and I think he's he was an

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<v Speaker 2>assistant offensive line coach for the Cowboys in eighty seven.

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<v Speaker 1>No do they got to do it with Landry. It's

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<v Speaker 1>just the Cowboys.

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<v Speaker 2>We're all racking our brains and we're all sitting here

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<v Speaker 2>on this ride with them. We're all incredibly underwhelmed. And

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<v Speaker 2>the reason is because the Cowboys don't value the head

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<v Speaker 2>coaching position. They never have. Jerry said anyone could go

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<v Speaker 2>win in any of five hundred coaches could have won

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<v Speaker 2>that Super Bowl. Didn't didn't take Jimmy. Look all prove

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<v Speaker 2>it with going to getting Switzer to eat a hot

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<v Speaker 2>dog on the sideline and win a super Bowl for

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<v Speaker 2>the hot Dog boys. They really like that. Yeah, he

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<v Speaker 2>likes it. I like the way he eats hot dogs.

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<v Speaker 1>So I almost signed Neuralin's no weel. Yeah, so like

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<v Speaker 1>many so they don't value the position.

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<v Speaker 2>So it is what it is like We're we're sitting

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<v Speaker 2>here going would you rather have a coach with no

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<v Speaker 2>coaching experience? It was a badass player or this scrub

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<v Speaker 2>that no other team wants.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's the thing.

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<v Speaker 2>No other teams want the guys they're talking about wanting

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<v Speaker 2>the rumors of the guys that they want. So I

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<v Speaker 2>can only hope that since they haven't hired Schottenheimer yet,

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<v Speaker 2>that they're waiting, hopefully to talk to Kellen Moore. I

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<v Speaker 2>hope the Eagles lose, so Kellen Moore is available to

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<v Speaker 2>talk and I hope they. I mean, but they had

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<v Speaker 2>a three hour interview with him and they only used

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<v Speaker 2>two of those hours, And so is it because they

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<v Speaker 2>were underwhelmed doing that there's no way Jerry can focus

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<v Speaker 2>on a zoom or was it just like that we

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<v Speaker 2>already know the guy, you know, because Ben, they already

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<v Speaker 2>know Brian Schottenheimer and they had two days of interviews

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<v Speaker 2>with him, but that's because it wasn't via zoom. Now

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<v Speaker 2>you said something that's really interesting though, that it really

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<v Speaker 2>gets my brain working. I was sitting here thinking, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>because a lot of plugged in guys like you know,

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<v Speaker 2>Calvin for example, Hey, they're gonna have a higher by

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<v Speaker 2>the end of the weekend. All right, Well, sitting here

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<v Speaker 2>at four o'clock on Friday, unless there's breaking news, it

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<v Speaker 2>ain't gonna happen. However, when is the best place to

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<v Speaker 2>drop news if you want it to go away? Because

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<v Speaker 2>you know it's gonna underwhelm everybody Friday Friday, it's where

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<v Speaker 2>news goes to die. So they could conceivably drop a

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<v Speaker 2>Schottenheimer bomb at any minute, damn well, knowing that everyone's

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<v Speaker 2>gonna hate it. I don't think they even think about

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<v Speaker 2>it like that, you know, I think they I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I think they think.

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<v Speaker 2>You know what, We're gonna be loud and proud about it,

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<v Speaker 2>and we don't care if everyone's going against us. We're

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<v Speaker 2>blazing our own trail. No one could tell us anything.

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<v Speaker 2>We got a ten million dollar organization. I mean, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think they're gonna make this pick with their table

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<v Speaker 2>between their legs. I think they're gonna look at it

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<v Speaker 2>and go, we're geniuses.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I think you're probably right, and they've got the

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<v Speaker 1>It's unfortunate.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's sad if that, if you know, nothing

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<v Speaker 2>the loudest it's been in a long time to get

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<v Speaker 2>rid of the Joneses. Like, not that we can or

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<v Speaker 2>not that anyone can, but this is the most anti

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<v Speaker 2>Jones Cowboy fan environment I've ever seen. Has anybody seen

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<v Speaker 2>was did Cowboys ratings dip locally in the last couple

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<v Speaker 2>of years?

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<v Speaker 1>Have you seen?

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<v Speaker 2>No?

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<v Speaker 1>I think they're still sky high. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I think everything they do is turns to gold, except wins.

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<v Speaker 2>At partway. Part of it, too, is Jerry's doing that.

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<v Speaker 2>The NFL is undefeated and indestructible. Like, if you want

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<v Speaker 2>to pull up the fifty most highest rated shows of

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<v Speaker 2>the year, forty of them are going to be NFL games.

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<v Speaker 1>It is every year.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just the most entertaining and wide reaching product out there. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>here's the Thursday Cowboy News from yesterday that I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>see a lot of chatter about. But it's like, oh God,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll just read this right off Pro Football. Top Cowboys

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<v Speaker 2>quarterback Trayvon Diggs took an important step in his return

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<v Speaker 2>from a seizing season ending knee surgery when he went

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<v Speaker 2>in there and had surgery on his left knee. The

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<v Speaker 2>surgery involves transplanting pieces of bone tissue into the joint

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<v Speaker 2>in order to stimulate growth that will help Digs return

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<v Speaker 2>to the field. What that sounds like the stuff we

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<v Speaker 2>did with the linebacker Smith trying to stimulate growth by

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<v Speaker 2>injecting tissue into stuff. It sounds like we're gonna cut

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<v Speaker 2>off his finger and let it live in his abdomen

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<v Speaker 2>for a year, and then we're going to bring it

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<v Speaker 2>out and try to put it back on. It's like, dude,

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<v Speaker 2>what I don't understand. That sounds horle It sounds horrible.

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<v Speaker 2>It sounds like he may never walk again. Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>mean like, and he's gonna play corner. How are you

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. That's brutal. All Right, I got another

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<v Speaker 1>one that you're gonna absolutely love.

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<v Speaker 2>One year later, Rex Ryan could end up as the

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<v Speaker 2>Dallas defensive coordinator. I've seen this story. My God, really

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<v Speaker 2>listen to. This is great because I'd forgotten this. You'll

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<v Speaker 2>remember this if you don't. If it doesn't already, jog

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<v Speaker 2>your memory. Last year, the Cowboys were looking to hire

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<v Speaker 2>a new defensive coordinator. Remember they went with Zimmer for

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<v Speaker 2>one year and Rex Ryan told everybody that he would

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<v Speaker 2>have gotten the job if the Cowboys had offered him

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<v Speaker 2>more money, right, didn't didn't Michael Parsons say something about

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<v Speaker 2>him too, And it was like, hey man, remember, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I thought there was some media beef. But Kevin it

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<v Speaker 2>says this time around, as they reportedly or poised to

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<v Speaker 2>hire Brian Schottenheimer, Rex could be in play again. It

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<v Speaker 2>would be a role reversal from nine through twenty eleven

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<v Speaker 2>when Schottenheimer served as offensive coordinator with the Jets under Ryan.

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<v Speaker 2>So Schottenheimer and Ryan go back to their time with

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<v Speaker 2>the Jets, which was successful. They went to back to

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<v Speaker 2>back AFC Championship games back then. So if the thing

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<v Speaker 2>was that now a one year deal, maybe Ryan would

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<v Speaker 2>have taken the job if it was more years. But

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<v Speaker 2>are the Jones really gonna change course and give Ryan

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<v Speaker 2>the money he wants to leave? A TV set to

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<v Speaker 2>be the defensive coordinator for the place where his twin

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<v Speaker 2>brother was once a defensive coordinator. I mean it would

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<v Speaker 2>be I think for those media guys, anytime you get

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<v Speaker 2>a chance to go bask in the Cowboys spotlight, you

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<v Speaker 2>should do it because it's just gonna make you a

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<v Speaker 2>better media personality. It's gonna give you more juice. You

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<v Speaker 2>went there, you worked for the Cowboys. Now you're gonna

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<v Speaker 2>you can always go back and get a studio job.

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<v Speaker 2>I think, Okay, what is a worst football name? Dick

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<v Speaker 2>Butkus or Herm Edwards two one four seven eight seven one.

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<v Speaker 2>Wouldn't that be a great way to win Auzi's on

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<v Speaker 2>Sorry tickets man. I just feel like this is as

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<v Speaker 2>bad as it can get. Like the way that they've

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<v Speaker 2>botched this. I thought they were getting rid of McCarthy

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<v Speaker 2>and they had a plan mid season, They're like, get

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<v Speaker 2>the hell out of here, get you get Karthy. Get

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<v Speaker 2>but they were like, uh no, the Bears, you can't

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<v Speaker 2>interview him.

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<v Speaker 1>We're keeping him.

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<v Speaker 2>And then they sat and had to negotiate with him

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<v Speaker 2>and couldn't keep him or he was like, no, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't want to be a part of this. You want

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<v Speaker 2>me to just hold this down for witting? Do you

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<v Speaker 2>know it's such a mess. And then every name you

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<v Speaker 2>here come out associated with the Cowboys. Search is just

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<v Speaker 2>like a fart in an elevator. Do you know who

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<v Speaker 2>wishes he took their two year offer? McCarthy is like,

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<v Speaker 2>what what job is he gonna go get?

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<v Speaker 1>He's gonna sit, He's gonna he's going back to the barn.

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<v Speaker 2>Dude, Why wouldn't he just take the same amount of

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<v Speaker 2>money for two more years?

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<v Speaker 1>Was it was it Kat who said he still might

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<v Speaker 1>be in play.

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<v Speaker 2>There's no way they can go back on that, right, Okay, Mac,

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<v Speaker 2>we want to talk again, you want to come back?

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<v Speaker 2>You know what I mean? How is it different than

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<v Speaker 2>the way they handled z. Not only did they bring

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<v Speaker 2>Zeke back, they forced him carries when no one thought

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<v Speaker 2>he could play anybody.

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<v Speaker 1>They're out of control.

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<v Speaker 2>They're just gonna do whatever the hell they want to do,

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<v Speaker 2>and nothing matters what happens on the field. They don't

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<v Speaker 2>care what anyone says. You know what, I think McCarthy's

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<v Speaker 2>the front runner again. I mean, I'm going on record.

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<v Speaker 2>I think McCarthy's In fact, I bet they announced it

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<v Speaker 2>by the end of the show.

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<v Speaker 1>I just sucks