Speaker 1: Next on the drive, Tim McMahon dropping dimes for your
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Speaker 1: The rain and the snow coming down rather heavily in
Speaker 1: Salt Lake this afternoon.
Speaker 3: It is chilly, it is cold. Well, I'll tell you what.
Speaker 3: It's only gonna be hot downtown tonight. See what I
Speaker 3: did there.
Speaker 1: League's Cup Baby, The NBA Cup starts tonight. Group play
Speaker 1: the Phoenix Suns are in town. An NBA Cup enthusiast
Speaker 1: and great overall guy and rider, Tim McMahon is our
Speaker 1: guest on a Tuesday.
Speaker 3: Hello Tim, how are you, sir?
Speaker 4: Howdy partner? I'm doing all right. I am outside looking
Speaker 4: over the bay here in San Francisco. Nice a little
Speaker 4: bit of a chillney air, but nice sunny day. Some
Speaker 4: boats in the water. None of that have Craig Thompson
Speaker 4: as captain. But here we go.
Speaker 1: So you are in an area where there's actually an
Speaker 1: interesting game tonight. We'll get there in a moment. But
Speaker 1: before we start, what should our listeners know Tim about
Speaker 1: the newly branded NBA Cup.
Speaker 3: Last year it was the playing tournament.
Speaker 1: The group play starts tonight and the Suns are in
Speaker 1: town to play the Jazz.
Speaker 4: The n season tournament last year, the play in tournament's
Speaker 4: a whole separate deal in season Jazz. After the Jazz
Speaker 4: have tried very hard to avoid the play in tournament
Speaker 4: the last couple of years. I don't think that'll be
Speaker 4: such a problem this year. I mean, you know, same concept,
Speaker 4: new courts, you know, new new sponsor, and what is it?
Speaker 3: I mean a pronounce it.
Speaker 4: To be honest with you, I think that might be right,
Speaker 4: Emirates Dan, I guess I didn't know how to pronounce it.
Speaker 4: Oh well, I'll tell you what by the end of
Speaker 4: this NBA Cup season, and I certainly will know. And
Speaker 4: so that's that's marketing doing it. It's best. But you know, hey,
Speaker 4: five hundred and grand on the line per player for
Speaker 4: teams that win the whole thame. But you know, I
Speaker 4: actually liked the concept because it does give a little
Speaker 4: something different during the season, but it's not completely outside
Speaker 4: of the regular season. Obviously, until the championship game, all
Speaker 4: these games count towards the regular season standing, so you
Speaker 4: can't have teams just decide to kind of punt these.
Speaker 4: It's funny though, because I mentioned or I was talking
Speaker 4: to one of the Magic staffers to day and they
Speaker 4: kind of mentioned they said, yeah, the one of the
Speaker 4: best things that happened for us last year was we
Speaker 4: didn't make it to Vegas in the season tourney, and
Speaker 4: their two replacement games or filling angel, well, you know whatever.
Speaker 4: The two games that you get they played the Trailblazers
Speaker 4: and the Jazz last year, and we're able to win
Speaker 4: those was pretty signific. So it is a little confusing
Speaker 4: when you look at this at the schedule, whether for
Speaker 4: the whole league or just for teams, and there's kind
Speaker 4: of a gap of TBD there in the middle of December.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I don't care how much money you make.
Speaker 3: Five hundred K is not nothing.
Speaker 1: But I wonder in your conversations throughout the league, players, coaches,
Speaker 1: front office exacts, is is there genuine excitement for this thing?
Speaker 1: Do they feel like it's being forced upon them? I mean,
Speaker 1: what's kind of the feeling around the NBA as far
Speaker 1: as how teams feel about the NBA Cup.
Speaker 4: I haven't heard a lot of complaining about it. I
Speaker 4: don't know, if there's just a ton of excitement, you know,
Speaker 4: like five hundred grand in a trip to Vegas. I
Speaker 4: think all NBA players like both of those things, so
Speaker 4: they prefer to win it than not. But I don't
Speaker 4: get the sense of it's like something that I don't
Speaker 4: know that they're like circling these games on their calendars. Oh,
Speaker 4: these are NBA Cup games, and you know, there's been
Speaker 4: a whole lot of sextra motivation. But like I said, also,
Speaker 4: I've not heard any any real complaint. There was some
Speaker 4: gripe in last year about the courts. You know, they're
Speaker 4: they're not quite as loud, but like, we'll see if
Speaker 4: there's issues as far as you know, the surface, well
Speaker 4: you know what they're slipping and those sorts of things.
Speaker 4: But honestly, those are the only complaints that I heard
Speaker 4: was that the courts from the courts were most slippery
Speaker 4: last year.
Speaker 1: Okay, well, I mean, I mean, look, the bottom line
Speaker 1: is and we'll move on from the NBA Cup after this.
Speaker 1: Like this is something that pro basketball, in my opinion,
Speaker 1: has always been very good at, and that is being
Speaker 1: willing to look at dynamics and try new things and
Speaker 1: see if they stick. And this is essentially isn't this
Speaker 1: Adams baby. Isn't this Adam Silver's thing? Like, this is
Speaker 1: one of the things that he kind of talked about
Speaker 1: very early on as really a copy of the European
Speaker 1: soccer model, the FA Cup and such, which I know
Speaker 1: you're a big fan of. But this is to me,
Speaker 1: this is one cool Well, it's one of the cool
Speaker 1: things about the NBA. They're willing to kind of try
Speaker 1: these different things and kind of see if they work.
Speaker 4: No, this is definitely an Adam Silver creation. I felt
Speaker 4: the courts last year actually were a very sharp marketing
Speaker 4: tactic because hey, it got people. Those courts got people
Speaker 4: talking about the NBA during the middle of football season,
Speaker 4: and that's not always the easiest thing to do. And
Speaker 4: then you know last year, uh, the semi finals and
Speaker 4: finals were rating success and for being honest though, they
Speaker 4: also got extremely and there was a success in terms
Speaker 4: of like the arena being full of all that. They
Speaker 4: got extremely lucky that the Lakers just happened to win
Speaker 4: the first one of these. And you know, if the
Speaker 4: Lakers don't make it, and it's you know, the Phoenix Suns,
Speaker 4: they're the Denver Nuggets. I think it could be a
Speaker 4: very different field this year, but we'll see.
Speaker 1: So let's move over, excuse me, let's move over to
Speaker 1: where you're at tonight bike ride with Balkan music.
Speaker 3: Tim.
Speaker 1: I didn't expect to wake up and see Tim McMahon's
Speaker 1: story referencing Balkan music, and you wrote about Clay and
Speaker 1: Clay is back in the Bay to see the Warriors
Speaker 1: for the first time. So we'll get to the jazz
Speaker 1: in a minute. But this is far more interesting for
Speaker 1: basketball fans. Uh, tell us about, you know, kind of
Speaker 1: the story you wrote, and then ultimately where Clay's head
Speaker 1: is at as he gets gets ready to play his
Speaker 1: old team tonight in the bag.
Speaker 4: Yeahs a Dallas based NBA writer. I've actually become pretty
Speaker 4: familiar with Balkan music. I'm a guy, you know, Luca
Speaker 4: likes his Balkan music. And when he comes out to
Speaker 4: warm up, that's what's playing on the American Airlines Center.
Speaker 4: It's about five minutes into Clay Tompson the warm luft, So,
Speaker 4: you know, just kind of an example of adjustment to
Speaker 4: Clay's making. He does he did not bring a boat
Speaker 4: to Dallas. You know, he doesn't have a boat. Doctor
Speaker 4: one of the lakes. He takes his you know, he
Speaker 4: goes on the occasional bike rides to get a little
Speaker 4: look at the water. But that's that. And you know,
Speaker 4: since I really get from Clay, I talked to him
Speaker 4: a little while for that story and just kind of
Speaker 4: haven't been around him so far this season. Is he
Speaker 4: does not want everything to be about him being the
Speaker 4: former Warrior Klay Thompson. You know, he wants it to
Speaker 4: be about a starter for a team that thinks it
Speaker 4: can be a contender. He's very focused on now and
Speaker 4: like you know that a night in Dipver, he was
Speaker 4: asked about, hey, you know what, you know, what does
Speaker 4: this mean for you? And he basically he said, I
Speaker 4: just to it's you know, it'd be cool to see people,
Speaker 4: but it's really just another regular season game November. And
Speaker 4: then he kind of admitted, Okay, you know there's a
Speaker 4: little something extra here. It's an NBA Cup opener. I mean,
Speaker 4: like come on. So he's really trying to put you know,
Speaker 4: put up the stoic face. Didn't talk to media after
Speaker 4: practice here yesterday or after shoot around, like he's trying
Speaker 4: not to feed into all the pomp and circumstances, and
Speaker 4: there's going to be a lot of it. You know,
Speaker 4: they've got these Captain Clay Adams are given out. Steph
Speaker 4: Curry is going to make a speech at the mid
Speaker 4: court and they're all gonna, you know, tip their caps
Speaker 4: to them, like the whole crowd. There's gonna be a
Speaker 4: video and the people with the Warriors that obviously know
Speaker 4: Clay very welcome over the year, they think he'll crack.
Speaker 4: They think Clay is going to shed a tear, but
Speaker 4: it is certainly his goal to just be focused on
Speaker 4: hoopon tonight and you know, we'll see how that goes.
Speaker 1: And this is always interesting to me because look, I mean,
Speaker 1: he won four rings there and he went from you know,
Speaker 1: a late lottery maybe a decent spot up shooter to
Speaker 1: one of potentially, not potentially, one of the greatest shooters
Speaker 1: the game's ever seen. Like when Clay Thompson is in Springfield,
Speaker 1: he will have a Warrior jersey on, there's.
Speaker 3: No doubt about it.
Speaker 1: But ultimately, you know, you heard rumors like, well maybe
Speaker 1: the Warriors are still interested in running it back one
Speaker 1: more time and until Steph decides he's done with Clay,
Speaker 1: Clay comes back and then you heard, you know, his
Speaker 1: dad made these comments about wanting him to be a Laker,
Speaker 1: and we know that that's where Clay grew up. Ultimately,
Speaker 1: what landed Clay Thompson on Dallas him.
Speaker 4: Well, Clay decided that he was going to go ahead
Speaker 4: and be the one who called at his time and
Speaker 4: the Bay was done. And look, they had the extension
Speaker 4: talks before last season. Two years forty seven million was
Speaker 4: what was being discussed. Whether it was put on the
Speaker 4: table or not, I guess kind of depends on who
Speaker 4: you asked, But it wasn't the deal that he was
Speaker 4: going to take. You know, Draymond got four years, one hundred.
Speaker 4: He didn't feel like they were making the same kind
Speaker 4: of commitment to him that they had to Draymond that
Speaker 4: they had even to Andrew Wiggins. So last year there's
Speaker 4: like this black cloud hoping over in the whole time,
Speaker 4: he felt the weight of knowing in his heart it
Speaker 4: was probably going to be his last year. And then
Speaker 4: I think there was a little crack there and then
Speaker 4: they prioritized trying to get like a Paul George signed
Speaker 4: trade downe his bas like, if I'm not the priority,
Speaker 4: I'm out. And then for him, it became okay, where
Speaker 4: do I have the best chance to win a championship?
Speaker 4: And he felt like, especially watching the Mavericks in the finals,
Speaker 4: where their lack of three point shooting alongside their stars
Speaker 4: really bit him the butt, he felt like he'd come
Speaker 4: and be kind of that, you know, that last piece
Speaker 4: that the Mavericks needed, and we'll see how that goes.
Speaker 4: But he does not want to be a chem Olajuan
Speaker 4: in a Toronto Raptors uniform, right. He wants this last
Speaker 4: chapter of his career to be meaningful, to be competitive,
Speaker 4: and he thought Dallas was the best spot for him
Speaker 4: do that.
Speaker 1: So drawing any conclusion of this league after ten games
Speaker 1: as a fool's errand but Dallas, after going to the
Speaker 1: finals last year and a lot of people's picked to
Speaker 1: potentially represent the West again. Oka, see just lost chat.
Speaker 1: We'll get there in a moment. But they are five
Speaker 1: and five, they're five hundred. So how's the clay experience God,
Speaker 1: so far in Dallas.
Speaker 4: You know, it started out really well. I mean he
Speaker 4: really shot at one the first few games. It's been
Speaker 4: a little bit bumpy since then, you know, like you
Speaker 4: said to me, jerk after ten games, would be a
Speaker 4: little bit silly, and but the simple fact of the
Speaker 4: matter is we've yet to see Luca play at the
Speaker 4: level that we're accustomed to from him, which is, you know,
Speaker 4: firmly in the MVP conversation, he's not been that guy.
Speaker 4: And you know, when Luke's playing at that level, everything
Speaker 4: else looks a whole lot better. And so I think
Speaker 4: if you talk about what's not been right with the Mavericks,
Speaker 4: I think you start with lucas you have to play,
Speaker 4: you know, to the standard that he has set. And
Speaker 4: then you know, they're five and five. Now, Derek Lively
Speaker 4: missed the last four games of US. Three of those four.
Speaker 4: He's back tonight. That's another major piece, you know. I
Speaker 4: guess I'm spending a whole lot of word to here
Speaker 4: to say that I think Madix will very much be
Speaker 4: in the thick of things come April.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I agree with that.
Speaker 1: I mean, Luca is just too good and I'm sure
Speaker 1: will coast and then he's turn it on, you know
Speaker 1: the way that we've seen him.
Speaker 3: Do they They do see a warrior team tim.
Speaker 1: At the start of the year eight and two, and
Speaker 1: they have the second best net in the West and
Speaker 1: Steve is playing like twelve dudes every night. What has
Speaker 1: Golden State figured out early on on what's Dallas up
Speaker 1: against tonight?
Speaker 4: Well, and you know the amazing thing is they did
Speaker 4: that with Stepness in a handful of games. You know,
Speaker 4: when he had the I forgot what fancied term they
Speaker 4: use for the ankle area, but you know he had
Speaker 4: that entry. Man, Like, you got to give Mike Dunley
Speaker 4: some credit for the way that they kind of pivoted
Speaker 4: this offseason. You know, no one claims out the door,
Speaker 4: and they weren't able to get the Paul Georges thinged. Obviously,
Speaker 4: they're they're conversations with the Jazz bet Larry markin and
Speaker 4: never really picked up any kind of steam. But to
Speaker 4: bring in Buddy Heald, who's been absolutely phenomenal for them,
Speaker 4: you know, Dancy Milton when he's healthy, really helps them.
Speaker 4: Kyle Anderson has been a contributor. And then look when
Speaker 4: Draymond was on the court last year, the Warriors were
Speaker 4: pretty damn good. He just because of his own stupidity,
Speaker 4: missed a bunch of games last year. And so you know,
Speaker 4: I don't know if I think it's a little bit
Speaker 4: early to say that the Warriors will be contenders in
Speaker 4: the West, but I don't think we can mole out
Speaker 4: that possibility.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and again super early.
Speaker 1: All right, let's start with the opponent tonight for the
Speaker 1: Jazz as the Sun's roll into town playing good basketball too.
Speaker 1: But Durant I think is out. He's definitely out tonight.
Speaker 1: I think he's out for a couple of weeks with
Speaker 1: the cap strain. Yeah, so obviously that changes who they are.
Speaker 1: But what should Jazz fans know? Because these days a
Speaker 1: lot of fans are going to the arena to watch
Speaker 1: the other team, which I get.
Speaker 3: So what are we going to see tonight in the
Speaker 3: Phoenix Suns.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and obviously no, KD is a bummer. And you know,
Speaker 4: that was a weird one because he actually strained that
Speaker 4: in the fourth quarter and there in Dallas. I was
Speaker 4: at the game, I was in the Sun's locker room. Atterwards,
Speaker 4: I talked to KD. He didn't get extra treatment. He
Speaker 4: was in good spirits, who wasn't limping around And the
Speaker 4: next thing you know, he's out for at least a
Speaker 4: couple of weeks. So I guess there was a little
Speaker 4: soreness and then an acted up on him. The next
Speaker 4: day and they got it checked out. But look, they
Speaker 4: still have two MAX players obviously, Bradley Beal and Devin Booker.
Speaker 4: And Booker is another guy was off to a slow
Speaker 4: start by his stainders. At some point, you know, he's
Speaker 4: going to have one of these nights where you know,
Speaker 4: he's sixteen to twenty two or whatever, and you know,
Speaker 4: we've seen Booker getting these crazy shot making grooves. You know,
Speaker 4: I don't I don't know if jazz fans do or
Speaker 4: do not hope that that it's at the expense of
Speaker 4: the jazz at this point. It's so kind of a
Speaker 4: confusing time as far as that goes. And you know what,
Speaker 4: the other thing that they that's interesting about Phoenix is
Speaker 4: Roy O'Neill's playing extremely well, and obviously that's the guy
Speaker 4: that jazz fans know quite well. He's really settled into
Speaker 4: a nice role for them by shooting the ball extremely well.
Speaker 4: You know, he's playing solid defenses. He's done for years,
Speaker 4: and they love this rookie Ryan Dunn, who was considered
Speaker 4: a phenomenal defensive prospect who could not shoot to save
Speaker 4: his life. He set the ball pretty damn well so
Speaker 4: far in the NBA. You know, you can see the
Speaker 4: work he's put in this summer. So, yeah, the Suns
Speaker 4: are an interesting team. I kind of put them in
Speaker 4: the same group of the Warriors of too early to
Speaker 4: call them contenders. And they you know, they only win
Speaker 4: clutch games. They don't blow anybody out, but they're off
Speaker 4: the heck of a start.
Speaker 1: Well, the how Utah Jazz have won two of three
Speaker 1: games tim, so you know, ultimately let's lean into that.
Speaker 1: And without being facetious, I do think with a group
Speaker 1: of really really young players and a head coach who
Speaker 1: I'm sure every night feels like he's walking into a
Speaker 1: gym completely up against it, well, I have no issue
Speaker 1: if they lose every game, because I understand what's going on.
Speaker 1: I get what time it is, and I understand the uh,
Speaker 1: you know, the necessity of the pain. I do think
Speaker 1: experiencing some success here or there kind of put some
Speaker 1: wind in these young players' sales. At least there's that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, No, I think you can't. I mean, you really
Speaker 4: don't want to have like double figure losing streaks and
Speaker 4: like you didn't, especially to start the season. You want
Speaker 4: to be oh in you know, eleven or twelve or
Speaker 4: fifteen or just whatever, just because that is such a
Speaker 4: weight and it I think it has a major negative
Speaker 4: impact on development when there's that level of misery, when
Speaker 4: you feel like there's no reward for all the work
Speaker 4: that's being put in. And so, look, we understand the
Speaker 4: Jazz aren't going to win a lot of games this year,
Speaker 4: but you know, you don't want it to be a
Speaker 4: fourteen win season, and you want to see, you know,
Speaker 4: these young players. You want to see proof that what
Speaker 4: they're doing is paying off. You want to see development.
Speaker 4: You know, you want to see progress, and so you know,
Speaker 4: to be able to pull out a couple of wins
Speaker 4: and again, I you know they're going to be very
Speaker 4: much in the mix for the number one overall pick.
Speaker 4: We all understand that, and frankly that's the plan, but
Speaker 4: that does completely bottom out to do that.
Speaker 1: Now, I like you just kind of see to the
Speaker 1: draft guys as far as who these players are. So
Speaker 1: I know you don't cover the draft yourself, but we
Speaker 1: are going to revisit this throughout the course of the
Speaker 1: season because college basketball has tipped off. It's now here
Speaker 1: and obviously Cooper flag is playing for Duke, So we're
Speaker 1: going to be like the funnest things now as a
Speaker 1: Jazz fan is just to check mock drafts and a
Speaker 1: lot of them have the Jazz is one of the
Speaker 1: top two picks. Like Gavoni released his stuff today, So
Speaker 1: just I know you're not a scout. Tell our listeners though,
Speaker 1: what you are hearing about the type of pro Cooper
Speaker 1: Flag could be.
Speaker 4: Yeah, backs for home. My colleague had a really good
Speaker 4: story on Cooper Flag yesterday and I learned that I'm
Speaker 4: pretty sure I played against Cooper Flag's main AAU coach
Speaker 4: when I was in high school. Wow, I was That
Speaker 4: was one of the major things that took from that.
Speaker 4: I don't know that anybody else cares necessarily, but like
Speaker 4: the question with Cooper Flag is is he going to
Speaker 4: be a guy who could be a primary score Because
Speaker 4: as far as everything else goes, like, dude, this is
Speaker 4: going to He's a six foot nine, multi position, high intensity,
Speaker 4: high level defensive player. You're going to see it like
Speaker 4: you know, this is the guy he's going to have.
Speaker 4: He's going to be a five x five threat because
Speaker 4: he's going to block shots, he's going to get He's
Speaker 4: a phenomenal pass We've got that kind of feel he's
Speaker 4: a super athlete. I think the ability to create shots
Speaker 4: and kind of the overall shooting that those are the questions.
Speaker 4: But you know, again, so I don't know if he's
Speaker 4: going to be like a number one offensive option, but
Speaker 4: he's going to be a guy who can help you
Speaker 4: win games in a whole lot of different ways.
Speaker 1: All Right, before I say you loose, I got to
Speaker 1: get your take on what Chet's injury means for OKAC.
Speaker 1: I mean, Shay just went for forty five and the
Speaker 1: first game without him, and they're still really deep, and
Speaker 1: I'm sure they're going to tread water, and it looks
Speaker 1: like he'll be reevaluated in ten to twelve weeks. So
Speaker 1: maybe it isn't catastrophic. But they were off to such
Speaker 1: a fun not just a successful start, fun start, fun
Speaker 1: team to watch at nine to two, and Chat's going
Speaker 1: to be out for a while.
Speaker 3: What do you think this means for OKAC?
Speaker 4: I mean, they were off to a dominant start, and
Speaker 4: they were the best defensive team that we have seen
Speaker 4: in a while, you know, in several years in the NBA.
Speaker 4: And you know, Chat was to me the early front
Speaker 4: n to be defensive player of the Year. Certainly on
Speaker 4: the paths being an All Star, but they're gonna win
Speaker 4: plenty of games about him. They've had to kind of
Speaker 4: get through these next whatever. It's going to be two
Speaker 4: or three weeks before Hartenstein's are ready to make his
Speaker 4: Thunder debut. He's still recovering from that hand that he
Speaker 4: broke in their preseason finale. And obviously then you know
Speaker 4: they won't have to play small as they are right now.
Speaker 4: But I think Chet is expected to be back, you know,
Speaker 4: well before the playoffs. Really what this does, though, is
Speaker 4: they're pushing back the entire experimental timetable as far as
Speaker 4: do Chet and hart and signing. How much would they
Speaker 4: play together, what's the rotation look like? How much of
Speaker 4: their minute staggered? Those guys aren't going to play together
Speaker 4: at all until you know, I don't know, probably maybe
Speaker 4: the All Star breaks sometime around there, and so you
Speaker 4: know that's the big splumer. I still think if you're
Speaker 4: asking me who who would I bet on being the
Speaker 4: number one seed in the West Conference, I still would
Speaker 4: pick Oklahoma City. I just wouldn't be as confident, obviously
Speaker 4: as I was before show went down.
Speaker 1: All right, Tim, thanks for the time, man, Enjoy that
Speaker 1: game should be a fun atmosphere.
Speaker 3: And we'll chat soon.
Speaker 4: I appreciate it, brother, All Right.
Speaker 3: To McMahon covers the NBA for ESPN. He is the
Speaker 3: Jazz reporter for ESPN.
Speaker 1: He's out here quite a bit when the Jazz are
Speaker 1: a serious team, which they're not right now. He's on
Speaker 1: Twitter at ESPN on Underscore McMahon. Klay Thompson is back
Speaker 1: in the Bay Area to take on the Warriors. The
Speaker 1: Jazz welcome in the Phoenix Suns. So the injury report
Speaker 1: as of now we know Durant is out. Looks like
Speaker 1: Keyante is a game time decision, but expected to play.
Speaker 1: Walker Kessler on the injury report I have right now
Speaker 1: is listed as out. The last game we saw Walker
Speaker 1: did play nineteen minutes against San Antonio, got the start,
Speaker 1: had to leave, so I haven't heard anything official there.
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to figure out who would start tonight
Speaker 1: if Walker's not going to play. Last game, it was marketing,
Speaker 1: Cody Williams, Walker Kessler, Sex and Isaiah Callier. My guess
Speaker 1: is Caller goes to the bench with Keyante back, and
Speaker 1: I guess John Collins is your starting center unless will
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