1 00:00:02,799 --> 00:00:06,360 Speaker 1: Coming to you from Beautiful and Floriferous West Michigan and 2 00:00:06,559 --> 00:00:09,519 Studio A here at proven Winns Color Choice Shrubs. 3 00:00:09,880 --> 00:00:10,720 Speaker 2: It's time for the. 4 00:00:10,679 --> 00:00:16,920 Speaker 1: Gardening Simplified podcast, YouTube and radio show with Stacy Hervella me, 5 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:20,839 Rick weisst and our engineer and producer Adrianna Robinson. 6 00:00:21,559 --> 00:00:25,440 Speaker 2: Well, Stacy, let's talk about you got a friend in me. 7 00:00:25,839 --> 00:00:29,559 Speaker 1: Some plants just get along well in the landscape. And 8 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:34,320 we're not necessarily talking here about companion planting. If you 9 00:00:34,439 --> 00:00:38,240 look that up online, we can. But if you look 10 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:42,880 that up online, that generally pertains to vegetable growing and 11 00:00:43,079 --> 00:00:45,200 that sort of thing. As a matter of fact, the 12 00:00:46,159 --> 00:00:51,000 Native Americans understood the three sisters concept of corn beans 13 00:00:51,039 --> 00:00:56,799 and squashed together, the beans being a legume. A nitrogen 14 00:00:56,840 --> 00:01:00,640 fixing would add nitrogen to the soil. The corn would 15 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:03,600 provide support for those beans, and then the squash would 16 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:06,319 cover the ground and hold back the weeds and cool 17 00:01:06,359 --> 00:01:10,239 the roots. So they understood the importance of plants that 18 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:15,359 kind of work together in the landscape or in the gardens. 19 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:18,239 So you've got a friend in me. I'm gonna call 20 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:25,799 them soil mates. You had me at Aloe Franz right, 21 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:28,000 frons stick together. 22 00:01:27,719 --> 00:01:28,599 Speaker 2: You know that kind of stuff. 23 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:31,439 Speaker 3: Yes, I think there's a proven winner's fern called France Forever. 24 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:33,640 In fact, yeah, there you go. But no, I think 25 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:37,280 those are all really good points, and there is you know, 26 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:40,319 this whole. I think it's important when you're talking about 27 00:01:40,319 --> 00:01:44,480 companion planting to be very clear that you're not talking 28 00:01:44,519 --> 00:01:49,159 about the claims which have no evidence that you know, 29 00:01:49,319 --> 00:01:54,400 planting X with Y is gonna repel whatever past you know, 30 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:58,159 and they in the books and articles and so forth 31 00:01:58,159 --> 00:01:59,480 that claim all of this, you know, they just make 32 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:02,159 it all sound so simple, right, Oh, if you just 33 00:02:02,239 --> 00:02:04,519 plants be to listen around your cabbage, you'll never have 34 00:02:04,519 --> 00:02:08,719 cabbage worms again. Oh really, if it were really that simple, 35 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:12,199 I would think that cabbage farmers would be probably a 36 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:15,039 lot happier than they actually are. And so they always 37 00:02:15,039 --> 00:02:17,919 make these like kind of absurd claims and there's nothing 38 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:21,360 wrong with it, but you certainly can't, you know, follow 39 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:24,919 this kind of advice with these claims that like, oh, 40 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:27,919 this is going to make this taste different, or you know, 41 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:32,680 this is going to repel this pest or whatever. You know, 42 00:02:32,759 --> 00:02:34,800 there might be a nice story there, It might look 43 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:37,680 perfectly lovely together. But the value I think in this 44 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:41,319 concept of companion planting is exactly what you just said. 45 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:45,759 It's about plants with complimentary habits, plants with complimentary colors, 46 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:49,719 and how you can combine different things in your garden 47 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:53,919 or in your containers or whatever to get maximum display. 48 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:58,919 Because you know, if there are anything like us, our listeners, 49 00:02:59,199 --> 00:03:01,560 you're always trying to pack more in, and when you 50 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:03,919 use complimentary habits, you can actually pack more in. 51 00:03:04,319 --> 00:03:06,080 Speaker 2: That's true, and you're right. 52 00:03:06,199 --> 00:03:09,000 Speaker 1: I have always said that I plant basil around my 53 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:12,280 tomatoes because it makes the tomatoes taste better. I have 54 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:15,719 no scientific evidence of that, just made it. 55 00:03:15,719 --> 00:03:18,680 Speaker 3: Up, but it's convenient. It can be very often when 56 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:20,840 you're going to be harvesting your tomatoes, you're gonna also 57 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:23,919 harvest basil, and so that makes it a good companion. 58 00:03:24,039 --> 00:03:25,400 It's one stop shop. 59 00:03:25,319 --> 00:03:27,960 Speaker 1: The whole point for plants. As it is in life, 60 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:33,000 choose your friends wisely. A good friend will both compliment 61 00:03:33,439 --> 00:03:39,039 and contrast you in some ways, especially when you need it. 62 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:43,280 I have a good friend, good close friend, Skip, who 63 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:47,280 has always said to me, when you let crazy people 64 00:03:47,319 --> 00:03:47,800 in your. 65 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:51,159 Speaker 2: Life, your life gets crazy. It's good advice. 66 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:55,800 Speaker 1: Actually, so but some things just go together. Think about it. 67 00:03:55,919 --> 00:03:58,840 Mustard and hot dogs, ice cream and apple pie, cream 68 00:03:58,879 --> 00:04:03,520 and coffee, spaghetti and meatballs, soap and water, burger and fry. 69 00:04:03,680 --> 00:04:07,319 Speaker 2: The list go Tuesdays in taco. I mean, the list 70 00:04:07,479 --> 00:04:08,639 goes on and on. 71 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:13,039 Speaker 1: Thelma, Luise Burton, Ernie Lucy and Ricky Batman and Robin 72 00:04:13,199 --> 00:04:17,279 Romeo and Juliet and Stacy. I didn't say peanut butter 73 00:04:17,360 --> 00:04:19,639 and jelly because you and I both do not like 74 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:20,720 peanut butter and jelly. 75 00:04:20,879 --> 00:04:24,000 Speaker 3: But I get I. You know, I there are probably 76 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:26,319 companion plants out there that I also don't like, But 77 00:04:26,399 --> 00:04:29,680 I respect that people like peanut butter and jelly. It's 78 00:04:29,759 --> 00:04:31,079 just too squishy for me. 79 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:34,199 Speaker 2: Yeah, same here. So think about it. 80 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:40,480 Speaker 1: What makes a perfect planting pairing or companion contrasting colors 81 00:04:40,519 --> 00:04:45,480 of foliage and flowers. I think is super important shape 82 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:50,000 and scale of the two plants, with one not overpowering 83 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:54,360 the other. Maybe it's the year round structure and interest 84 00:04:54,439 --> 00:04:59,560 of pairing an evergreen with a deciduous shrub, or something. 85 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:01,600 Speaker 2: Like the bright yellow of a spyria. 86 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:07,279 Speaker 1: Double play candy corn with sweet romance lavender, or think 87 00:05:07,319 --> 00:05:10,839 about this. I love supertunia vista bubblegum. It's been around 88 00:05:10,879 --> 00:05:15,480 for some time, but it's very aggressive and it blooms beautifully. Well, 89 00:05:15,519 --> 00:05:19,920 it'd be an excellent planting partner with graceful grasses vertigo 90 00:05:20,639 --> 00:05:25,879 purple fountain grass because they're both extra vigorous. So they're 91 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:31,360 friends in the landscape and they work together, and that's 92 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:34,720 fun to look at. Stacy, I really believe that in 93 00:05:34,759 --> 00:05:41,000 the landscape, if you can get contrasting foliage, contrasting foliage sizes, 94 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:45,959 or in many cases colors that are opposite of each 95 00:05:46,079 --> 00:05:49,600 other on the color wheel, they make great friends in 96 00:05:49,639 --> 00:05:50,480 the landscape. 97 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:53,360 Speaker 3: They do very often, you know, the contrast I think 98 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:57,839 is very appealing, although some people like to go more harmonious, 99 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:01,639 but I think a good contrast is always a good 100 00:06:01,639 --> 00:06:03,120 place to start. And I want to be clear too, 101 00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:06,920 you know, when it comes to these companion plants. You know, 102 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:09,600 maybe if someone is a very experienced designer and has 103 00:06:09,639 --> 00:06:11,680 been doing it for a long time, they kind of 104 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:14,800 have this little palette of companion plantings that they do. 105 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:18,319 But there really are no right answers here except for 106 00:06:18,399 --> 00:06:20,360 you know, of course, matching vigor, so that's important. You 107 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:24,040 don't want one thing to overcome its neighbor. But for 108 00:06:24,079 --> 00:06:27,639 the most part, you know, these what we discover to 109 00:06:27,759 --> 00:06:31,040 be good companions. Whether it's visual or whether it's the 110 00:06:31,079 --> 00:06:35,120 plant habit is just gardening. It's just how it's things 111 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:38,720 that we discover as we choose the plants and choose 112 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:41,720 where to position them in our landscape. And you know, 113 00:06:41,839 --> 00:06:43,879 I have been obviously doing a ton of work in 114 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:47,240 my garden and moved a bunch of stuff last fall, 115 00:06:47,279 --> 00:06:49,439 and so I had a banana boat carracks. Do you 116 00:06:49,439 --> 00:06:52,800 know that plant? Oh yeah, so bright yellow foliage comes 117 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:55,120 out in the spring, and so I planted that. It 118 00:06:55,160 --> 00:06:56,920 wasn't very happy where it was, so I moved it 119 00:06:56,959 --> 00:06:59,680 down to this new area and didn't think much about it. 120 00:07:00,079 --> 00:07:02,319 Dormant as soon as I dug it, and didn't even 121 00:07:02,319 --> 00:07:07,079 think about it anymore. And then I planted purple anemone windflower, 122 00:07:07,199 --> 00:07:10,120 you know, the little the anemone blanda for as a 123 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:13,959 spring bulb. And boy, I tell you this spring when 124 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:17,360 both of those plants came up, it was glorious. My 125 00:07:17,439 --> 00:07:20,920 husband says, that looks amazing. Did you do that on purpose? 126 00:07:21,839 --> 00:07:24,000 I was like, I cannot play that I did it 127 00:07:24,040 --> 00:07:27,439 on purpose. But that's the thing that's cool too, is 128 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:31,160 as I think you develop a plant palette that's comprised 129 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:35,319 more exclusively of things that you really like, you do 130 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:38,199 find appealing new ways to combine them. So it's you know, 131 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:40,600 this is not this when we talk about this. It's 132 00:07:40,639 --> 00:07:42,920 not hard and fast rules. There are some suggestions and 133 00:07:42,959 --> 00:07:47,120 some guidelines, But how plants combine I think is really 134 00:07:47,199 --> 00:07:51,079 a matter of personal taste and experience and trial and error. 135 00:07:51,319 --> 00:07:53,959 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think if you look at that foliage 136 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:59,879 factor and sometimes the fact that opposites do attract you look, 137 00:08:00,079 --> 00:08:03,720 had a shaded area sun king aurelia next to a 138 00:08:03,959 --> 00:08:07,759 hack and a claw, the foliage very different but very 139 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:12,800 bright or lemon coral seed them with a meteor shower verbena. 140 00:08:13,759 --> 00:08:18,240 In my landscape, that that sun king aurelia in shade 141 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:21,439 combined with a Celtic pride. 142 00:08:22,759 --> 00:08:25,800 Speaker 2: Is just micro? Is it micro? 143 00:08:26,639 --> 00:08:29,399 Speaker 3: I always say microbiota, But yeah, biota. Oh it's a 144 00:08:29,439 --> 00:08:30,839 Siberian cypress, but. 145 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:33,440 Speaker 1: Just beautiful and they make really really great friends in 146 00:08:33,480 --> 00:08:37,200 the landscape. I mean, think about this in the landscape, 147 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:43,799 foliage that is afforded by plants draped over rocks or 148 00:08:44,120 --> 00:08:48,840 iron or rocks hard scape materials in the landscape combined 149 00:08:48,840 --> 00:08:52,480 with foliage, they make great friends. Shrubs grown for their 150 00:08:52,519 --> 00:08:57,000 foliage der Villa nine barks by rhea, even with gilla 151 00:08:57,480 --> 00:09:04,039 or elderberry. These plants grown with grown four primarily their foliage, 152 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:05,840 really make great friends. 153 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:09,600 Speaker 3: Absolutely, and they work so well, you know, with so 154 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:11,960 many things. So there's a lot I think of the 155 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:15,039 darker foliage that I have in my garden that I 156 00:09:15,080 --> 00:09:20,639 think really provides a lot of forgiveness. Sometimes you know, 157 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:23,639 you don't want things to be so clashing. Sometimes are great, 158 00:09:24,639 --> 00:09:27,120 but you know that always adds those dark foliage I 159 00:09:27,159 --> 00:09:30,360 think always adds interest without being to hey, look at me, 160 00:09:30,519 --> 00:09:32,080 I'm distracting exactly. 161 00:09:32,799 --> 00:09:34,840 Speaker 1: So some things just go together, and we're going to 162 00:09:34,919 --> 00:09:38,039 talk about it in segment four. Like high ranges and 163 00:09:38,120 --> 00:09:42,399 hot weather go together. We'll talk about that in segment four. 164 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:45,799 So I put together a companion's limb a rick today. 165 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:50,320 You've got a friend in me, a horticultural devotee. So 166 00:09:50,399 --> 00:09:54,120 when things get rough, yes, downright tough, my support, I 167 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:57,840 guarantee you've got a friend in me. Even when life 168 00:09:57,879 --> 00:10:00,840 gets weighty, when your buds, your own bloom, and the 169 00:10:00,879 --> 00:10:05,759 forecast is gloom. I'm here for you, yepee, no exaggeration, 170 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:11,120 no hyperbole. I'll be right there asap. When your foliage 171 00:10:11,159 --> 00:10:15,759 wilts and your trellis tilts. You've got a friend in me. 172 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:16,480 Speaker 3: Cute. 173 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:19,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, kind of like that. I love that song. 174 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:22,919 Speaker 1: By the way, and Toy Story Plants on Trials coming 175 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:25,960 up next, we'll see what Stacey has in mind today. 176 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:26,799 Speaker 2: Stay tuned. 177 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:36,679 Speaker 3: Beautify your home and community with proven Winner's Color Choice 178 00:10:36,679 --> 00:10:39,799 Shrubs with over three hundred and twenty five unique varieties 179 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:42,840 to choose from. There's a flowering shrubber evergreen for every 180 00:10:42,879 --> 00:10:45,960 taste and every space. Just look for the distinctive white 181 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:48,799 container your local garden center or learn more at proven 182 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:53,799 Winner's Color Choice dot com. Goore Reading's gardening friends, and 183 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:56,600 welcome back to the Gardening Simplified Show, where we are 184 00:10:56,639 --> 00:11:01,000 talking about companion planting and no not like the old 185 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:05,559 stories of planting. You know, deal with cucumbers and some 186 00:11:05,639 --> 00:11:09,679 miraculous thing happens. Sure it's convenient if you are going 187 00:11:09,759 --> 00:11:12,399 to be making pickles to plant your deal and cucumbers together, 188 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:14,080 and there's nothing wrong with that, but. 189 00:11:14,399 --> 00:11:15,360 Speaker 2: That would be a big deal. 190 00:11:15,639 --> 00:11:20,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, But you know, there's just there's Extraordinary claims require 191 00:11:20,639 --> 00:11:23,759 extraordinary evidence, and there has been a number of extraordinary 192 00:11:23,759 --> 00:11:27,879 claims over the years. And you know, now with the Internet, 193 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:29,279 we kind of have to take them with a little 194 00:11:29,279 --> 00:11:30,240 bit of a grain of salt. 195 00:11:30,399 --> 00:11:30,559 Speaker 2: Yeah. 196 00:11:30,639 --> 00:11:33,200 Speaker 3: Absolutely, and it would be great if it were true. 197 00:11:33,799 --> 00:11:36,759 I really really wish that I could repel cabbage worms 198 00:11:36,759 --> 00:11:40,279 with by simply planting something next to my plant, but 199 00:11:40,399 --> 00:11:41,399 it doesn't work that way. 200 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:44,720 Speaker 1: Well. The big one, of course, is you can fix 201 00:11:44,840 --> 00:11:47,679 everything by just planting a border of marigolds. 202 00:11:47,799 --> 00:11:50,279 Speaker 3: Oh yes, right, yes, of course. 203 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:52,879 Speaker 2: And you ate marigolds, stinky thing, so you're. 204 00:11:52,759 --> 00:11:54,279 Speaker 3: Probably really glad that's not true. 205 00:11:54,360 --> 00:11:58,080 Speaker 1: And please don't send your cards. If you love marigolds, 206 00:11:58,240 --> 00:11:59,559 more power to you. 207 00:11:59,679 --> 00:11:59,919 Speaker 2: Again. 208 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:02,759 Speaker 1: I came from the garden center industry, where I handled 209 00:12:02,879 --> 00:12:05,840 hundreds of thousands of flats and marigolds and went home 210 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:06,879 smelling like them. 211 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:09,360 Speaker 3: But you know, I'm really glad that you brought up 212 00:12:09,399 --> 00:12:12,559 the marigolds, because that does come up if you are 213 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:17,039 searching reputable websites about this phenomenon of companion planting. That 214 00:12:17,159 --> 00:12:18,840 is often said like, oh, if you just plan a 215 00:12:18,879 --> 00:12:21,279 border of marigolds, it will repel this, that and the other, 216 00:12:22,360 --> 00:12:27,919 and it is true that marigolds will repel nematodes in 217 00:12:27,919 --> 00:12:30,960 the soil. So nematodes if you are a SpongeBob fan, 218 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:34,440 mean one thing. For the rest of us. They are 219 00:12:34,519 --> 00:12:40,279 just these tiny, little microscopic worm like creatures that can 220 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:42,679 be very detrimental. Now they're not as common up here 221 00:12:42,679 --> 00:12:46,440 in Michigan. They're very very common in the South and 222 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:49,000 they can be a real problem, especially for farmers. Now, 223 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:52,559 this marigold study that was done found that they did 224 00:12:52,559 --> 00:12:56,840 in fact repel nematodes, but only when they were grown 225 00:12:56,879 --> 00:13:01,720 to maturity, chopped down and tilled into the soil. Oh, 226 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:06,080 so it's not a situation where the plot thickens. So 227 00:13:06,600 --> 00:13:08,639 very often what's happened with these is there was some 228 00:13:08,679 --> 00:13:11,559 sort of grain of truth in there, but no one 229 00:13:11,559 --> 00:13:13,440 bothered to find out the whole story. They were just 230 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:16,679 like marigolds. Nematodes were golden plant the marigoals. 231 00:13:16,679 --> 00:13:17,240 Speaker 2: Interesting. 232 00:13:17,759 --> 00:13:21,360 Speaker 3: Yes, so very often there is potential there, but it 233 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:25,360 just doesn't work, you know, like people think that it will. 234 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:28,000 So not to discourage you by all means, keep practicing 235 00:13:28,039 --> 00:13:30,720 whatever you've been practicing, and keep believing what you've been believing. 236 00:13:31,759 --> 00:13:37,799 But let's not delude ourselves. I guess that companion plantings 237 00:13:37,799 --> 00:13:40,879 are some sort of insect kryptonite, and you know, they're 238 00:13:40,919 --> 00:13:43,320 flying towards your garden and then they're like, oh no, 239 00:13:43,879 --> 00:13:47,440 sweet alyssam, I'm going to turn around. You know, it 240 00:13:47,519 --> 00:13:50,679 doesn't quite work like that. I wish it did. That'd 241 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:52,840 be cool if it did, but it doesn't. 242 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:54,960 Speaker 2: I'm sorry for sidetracking us. 243 00:13:55,039 --> 00:13:58,120 Speaker 1: I can't wait to hear what friend you're going to 244 00:13:58,159 --> 00:13:59,200 introduce us to you? 245 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:02,360 Speaker 3: Right? Well, well, so I'm definitely going in a very 246 00:14:02,399 --> 00:14:08,480 different direction here, and I'm going with plant that is 247 00:14:08,879 --> 00:14:13,759 I think underused in gardens as a companion plant. Now 248 00:14:13,759 --> 00:14:17,559 it's not underplanted. The plant on trial today is widely 249 00:14:17,639 --> 00:14:21,559 planted in certain situations, but I don't think it's used 250 00:14:21,759 --> 00:14:26,720 creatively enough to fully realize its companion potential. I agree, 251 00:14:26,759 --> 00:14:30,039 and today's plant on trial is happy Jack purple clematis. 252 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:34,559 So clematis are a plant that, you know, I think 253 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:37,559 when most people think of it, they immediately conjure up 254 00:14:37,600 --> 00:14:41,320 a mental image of a mailbox. Right. Almost certainly clemitists 255 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:44,480 growing up the mailbox post, and that is a fine 256 00:14:44,559 --> 00:14:47,320 use of them. Or you know, perhaps a decorative trellis 257 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:50,080 in the garden, or some sort of obelisk with a 258 00:14:50,120 --> 00:14:52,600 cleminist on it, And those are all perfectly lovely ways 259 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:56,720 to grow cleminists and enjoy them. But the fact is clematis, 260 00:14:56,759 --> 00:14:59,679 by the nature of the way that it grows, is 261 00:14:59,679 --> 00:15:02,320 an excellent companion plant that can be used in many 262 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:04,919 more creative ways to bring a lot more interest to 263 00:15:04,960 --> 00:15:06,840 different plantings. And we've talked about this a bit here 264 00:15:06,879 --> 00:15:09,120 and there on the show, but when I was a 265 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:13,879 rooftop gardener, very often we would plant privacy hedges. So 266 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:15,720 up there on a rooftop, you know your neighbors are 267 00:15:15,799 --> 00:15:18,559 right there, so you would need privacy hedges just the 268 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:22,399 same as you do down here on earth. And we 269 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:26,080 would plant these big boxes full of arborvidy. And you know, 270 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:29,559 arboridy's cool and all, but it's not the most exciting plant. 271 00:15:30,399 --> 00:15:32,639 And so what the designer that I worked with would 272 00:15:32,679 --> 00:15:35,480 do would be to plant a clematis in the corner 273 00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:39,360 of the box and just let it grow and find 274 00:15:39,399 --> 00:15:43,320 its way all around the arbor idy and using the 275 00:15:43,399 --> 00:15:46,240 arborvids as support. And so it was a really nice 276 00:15:46,279 --> 00:15:49,240 way to get some extra color without taking up extra 277 00:15:49,279 --> 00:15:52,519 space and Clemitists are very well suited to this because 278 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:56,360 they are woody plants, so their stems are true woody growth. 279 00:15:56,399 --> 00:15:59,320 If you were to cut across one, it would have rings, 280 00:15:59,399 --> 00:16:01,679 just like a tree. So that's what makes something woody. 281 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:06,799 But it's very light weight. Now, a very mature clemitists 282 00:16:06,919 --> 00:16:09,360 is going to have, you know, a pretty good thick base, 283 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:13,159 but it's vines that actually go out in bloom are 284 00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:15,519 quite thin and quite light. So I think a lot 285 00:16:15,559 --> 00:16:17,320 of people when they think about trying to grow a 286 00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:20,440 vine up a tree or up another plant, they immediately 287 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:22,480 think like, oh, that's really bad for the plant, and 288 00:16:22,519 --> 00:16:26,039 that is true with something like ivy. Ivy is definitely 289 00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:29,799 you know, a plant that grows in such a way 290 00:16:29,840 --> 00:16:33,279 that it is intended to kill its support plant by 291 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:36,080 putting out really really heavy growth, really really dense growth, 292 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:39,279 and so the tree that it's growing up actually cannot 293 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:42,960 you know, it's leaves become useless and it eventually dies. 294 00:16:43,279 --> 00:16:47,279 Clemtis doesn't work that way. So it's actually quite delicate 295 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:50,840 and very easy to grow within these plants, and so 296 00:16:50,879 --> 00:16:53,440 you don't have that threat of it taking over or 297 00:16:53,559 --> 00:16:55,279 knocking it over or breaking something. 298 00:16:55,639 --> 00:16:59,600 Speaker 1: This is a fantastic point and experience that you're sharing 299 00:16:59,639 --> 00:17:03,879 with us, Stacey, because I grow a sweet autumn clematis 300 00:17:03,919 --> 00:17:08,799 through an evergreen and it's spectacular does not affect the 301 00:17:08,839 --> 00:17:11,759 evergreen at all. I think that concept is really cool. 302 00:17:11,839 --> 00:17:14,799 Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's a good companion, So you're taking advantage 303 00:17:14,799 --> 00:17:18,119 of the habits of both plants to really get more 304 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:20,359 out of your planting. Now. The other cool thing though, 305 00:17:20,359 --> 00:17:24,920 Happy Jack purple is a jack Mannii clematis very very 306 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:28,160 easy to grow. And I think a lot of people, 307 00:17:28,279 --> 00:17:30,640 as much as they like clematis, maybe they had one 308 00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:32,680 bad experience and they think, like, oh, these things are 309 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:35,599 just way too finicky, way too picky. But it's actually 310 00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:38,559 very easy to do what I'm describing with a plant 311 00:17:38,559 --> 00:17:42,240 like today's plant on trial, happy Jack purple, because it 312 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:46,359 is very forgiving about pruning and it's very long blooming. 313 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:48,079 So here's what you would do, just as an example, 314 00:17:48,119 --> 00:17:50,319 So you would plant this in a corner so you 315 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:52,880 know you can find and identify the base of the plant, 316 00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:56,519 because that's really key. And then this is a clematist 317 00:17:56,559 --> 00:17:58,759 that blooms on old wood and on new wood with 318 00:17:58,799 --> 00:18:01,519 as you might guess, dark purple flowers so a great color. 319 00:18:01,519 --> 00:18:02,799 It's another reason why I picked this one. 320 00:18:02,839 --> 00:18:04,559 Speaker 2: Specific flowers are gorgeous. 321 00:18:04,559 --> 00:18:07,640 Speaker 3: The flowers really are beautiful, so it's a great companion 322 00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:09,680 as far as color goes with the other plants in 323 00:18:09,720 --> 00:18:12,160 your landscape. So all you have to do to prune 324 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:14,160 this thing each year is just cut it back to 325 00:18:14,279 --> 00:18:18,200 about two ish feet from the ground. You don't even 326 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:21,279 necessarily have to worry about clearing away the wood that 327 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:24,720 is in your plants. You can if you want, but 328 00:18:24,799 --> 00:18:26,920 you don't need to. It will just kind of die back, 329 00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:28,599 and you know, if you pull it out easily, great, 330 00:18:28,640 --> 00:18:31,319 If not, no big deal. And then the Colemitus, because 331 00:18:31,319 --> 00:18:34,240 it has the power of that big root system, is 332 00:18:34,279 --> 00:18:36,839 going to come back from that pruning and bloom like crazy. 333 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:39,799 So all the buds that are contained inside the remaining 334 00:18:39,799 --> 00:18:41,079 parts of the plant are going to go on to 335 00:18:41,119 --> 00:18:43,920 bloom and you'll get new wood plants. So it's not 336 00:18:44,039 --> 00:18:47,559 a fussy plant to prune. It's very very easy and 337 00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:51,759 a very very reliable bloomer as well. Now, if you 338 00:18:51,799 --> 00:18:55,119 have not had success with Clemitis, you can certainly try 339 00:18:55,119 --> 00:18:57,279 one of the proven Winter's varieties. We have selected them 340 00:18:57,359 --> 00:19:01,720 all specifically to be easy care and to be very forgiving. 341 00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:04,680 But that said, there are three very very key facts 342 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:07,119 you need to know about being successful with clematis. Number one, 343 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:11,000 the old adage feet in the shade, head in the sun, 344 00:19:11,079 --> 00:19:12,920 So you want to make sure that the roots are 345 00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:16,960 cool and shaded, which makes it another good companion plant 346 00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:20,079 because it's great planted at the base of a shrub 347 00:19:20,279 --> 00:19:23,200 where the shrub itself can offer that shade. Or you 348 00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:26,119 can plant a perennial over to cover the base of 349 00:19:26,119 --> 00:19:28,799 your clematis and provide shade that way, like a hasta 350 00:19:28,880 --> 00:19:31,400 or something like that can work really really well because 351 00:19:31,400 --> 00:19:34,160 those nice broad leaves will provide that shade. And then 352 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:36,160 you want all of the vines to be in the sun, 353 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:38,400 so the roots need to stay cool and shaded. The 354 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:40,680 planet itself needs to be out in the sun to 355 00:19:40,839 --> 00:19:43,759 grow vigorously and to bloom well. So that is really important. 356 00:19:43,759 --> 00:19:46,039 If you don't have those conditions, you need to be 357 00:19:46,039 --> 00:19:49,079 able to approximate them in your garden once you actually plant. 358 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:50,160 Speaker 2: Cool feet hot tops. 359 00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:54,279 Speaker 3: That's right. So Number two, well drained soil so crucial clematis. 360 00:19:54,279 --> 00:19:55,960 And I've said this so many times on the show 361 00:19:55,960 --> 00:19:59,039 because it amazes me every time I see this. They 362 00:19:59,039 --> 00:20:02,000 have roots like else I have ever seen. They're like ropes. 363 00:20:02,039 --> 00:20:05,640 They're really really different and unique, and they're brittle and 364 00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:08,039 they're fairly delicate. So this is not a plant that 365 00:20:08,039 --> 00:20:10,119 can be disturbed. This is not a plant that can 366 00:20:10,160 --> 00:20:12,920 deal with soggy, wet soil at all, because they are 367 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:16,640 so thick and fleshy, they are very susceptible to rotting. 368 00:20:17,119 --> 00:20:20,000 So well drained soil is absolutely crucial. Don't even think 369 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:23,559 about planting this in an area that does not drain well. Finally, 370 00:20:23,599 --> 00:20:26,799 the third thing to know is when in doubt, don't prune. 371 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:29,599 So my same advice about hydrangeas or anything like that, 372 00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:33,599 clematists don't strictly need pruning. Now, what will happen if 373 00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:36,960 your climatists benefits from pruning and you don't prune it 374 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:38,680 is it's going to flower just at the tips and 375 00:20:38,759 --> 00:20:40,720 you're not going to get that nice curtainy look. But 376 00:20:40,759 --> 00:20:42,559 that's something that you can actually go on to correct 377 00:20:42,559 --> 00:20:45,440 the following season without a problem. It's not a really 378 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:48,039 big deal. So when in doubt, don't prune. But if 379 00:20:48,039 --> 00:20:50,359 you do prune, split the difference and go with this. 380 00:20:50,519 --> 00:20:54,559 Roughly two feet sort of pruning level which will give 381 00:20:54,559 --> 00:20:56,680 you some of that old wood as well as some 382 00:20:56,759 --> 00:20:59,319 new wood, and then you can kind of see what happens. 383 00:21:00,079 --> 00:21:01,640 If you remember the name. Of course, you can google 384 00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:03,599 it and figure out, you know what, what kind of 385 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:07,039 pruning it needs. But when in doubt, don't prune, because 386 00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:11,200 miss prune Clematis can actually be quite harmful to the plant. 387 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:14,680 But most of these vining clemitists, like happy Jack purple, 388 00:21:14,759 --> 00:21:17,599 are durable, they're easy to grow, and they make a 389 00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:20,920 great companion whose use is really only limited by your 390 00:21:21,079 --> 00:21:24,880 imagination and horticultural realities of your yard. 391 00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:28,160 Speaker 1: So I want people to have confidence to grow clematis 392 00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:30,160 me too. You ever have somebody walk up to you 393 00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:37,440 and you should know their name, but it's like hello you, yes, 394 00:21:37,599 --> 00:21:39,400 you know, you couldn't remember, Yeah, you know it has 395 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:41,200 happened to me. So this is a friend where you 396 00:21:41,279 --> 00:21:46,119 can't really remember how to pronounce it. Clematis or clematis. 397 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:47,640 Either way, get out there and plant. 398 00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:49,559 Speaker 3: As long as you're walking out of the garden center 399 00:21:49,599 --> 00:21:51,400 with the plant that you want, we're all good. Hard 400 00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:54,680 at USDs on five heat tolerant through zone nine, vining 401 00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:58,000 to six to eight feet a great companion for your 402 00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:00,000 garden this season. Like for at your local garden center, 403 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:01,960 we're going to take a little break. When we come back, 404 00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:03,960 we're opening up the garden mail bags, so please stay tuned. 405 00:22:11,559 --> 00:22:14,279 At Proven Winner's Color Choice Shrubs, we know that a 406 00:22:14,319 --> 00:22:17,359 better landscape starts with a better shrub. Our team of 407 00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:20,480 experts tests and evaluates all of our flowering shrubs in 408 00:22:20,519 --> 00:22:23,880 evergreens for eight to ten years to ensure they outperform 409 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:28,200 what's already on the market. For easycare, reliable, beautiful shrubs 410 00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:31,400 to accentuate your home and express your personal style, look 411 00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:34,240 for Proven Winner's Shrubs in the distinctive white container at 412 00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:36,880 your local garden center, or learn more at Proven Winner's 413 00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:42,359 Color Choice dot com. Greeting's gardening friends, and welcome back 414 00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:46,440 to the Gardening Simplified Show. Happy gardening season. It's finally here. 415 00:22:46,519 --> 00:22:49,640 It is underway. We are planting, we are planning. We 416 00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:52,960 are looking forward to everything that is yet to come. 417 00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:55,519 But if things aren't going quite the way you expected 418 00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:58,200 in your garden so far this season, you are most 419 00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:00,319 welcome to reach out to us at Gardening Simplify on 420 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:03,039 air dot com. Do be aware that we only have 421 00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:05,880 a few minutes in every episode to answer gardening questions, 422 00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:07,319 so we can't get to them all. And if you 423 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:10,799 have something where you need to answer right away, we 424 00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:12,640 are still available to help you. You just need to 425 00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:15,559 go to Proven Winners Color Choice dot com, send an 426 00:23:15,599 --> 00:23:18,039 email through the contact form there. If it's about shrubs, 427 00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:20,480 if it's about perennials or annuals, go to Proven Winters 428 00:23:20,519 --> 00:23:22,400 dot com and you will get an answer from a 429 00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:26,119 real person, not a robot, not a chatbot, not an AI, 430 00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:28,720 a real real person who knows what they're talking about, 431 00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:31,319 to help answer your garden questions. So we are here 432 00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:33,960 for you. What do we got in the mailbag today, Carol. 433 00:23:33,759 --> 00:23:36,359 Speaker 1: Writes to us, I see that Proven Winners has deer 434 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:39,400 resistant plants on sale for a few days. By the way, 435 00:23:39,759 --> 00:23:42,839 sprinter box would wow popular with people? 436 00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:45,039 Speaker 3: Oh yes, very very popular. 437 00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:46,039 Speaker 2: In the garden center. Yeah. 438 00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:48,039 Speaker 1: I have a nice patch of daffodils that I would 439 00:23:48,079 --> 00:23:53,119 like to interplant with something to disguise the dying daffodil foliage. 440 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:57,039 And wise to be growing daffodils because they are going 441 00:23:57,119 --> 00:24:00,160 to be dear resistant, that's for sure. It is a sunny, 442 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:03,039 partly sunny area. We have clay though, and digging is 443 00:24:03,079 --> 00:24:06,279 hard for my arthritic back and knees, so something that 444 00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:08,319 spreads rather quickly would be lovely. 445 00:24:08,519 --> 00:24:09,240 Speaker 2: Zone seven. 446 00:24:09,799 --> 00:24:14,640 Speaker 1: I'm considering vermilion, firecracker or red larkspur. I'm thinking of 447 00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:17,119 a plant around two feet tall to provide plenty of 448 00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:20,720 disguise for the dying foliage. Any color is fine if 449 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:24,160 you have other suggestions. Love your show, and I'm now 450 00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:28,119 listening to episodes from before I found your. 451 00:24:28,039 --> 00:24:30,000 Speaker 2: Podcast, so so nice. 452 00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:33,440 Speaker 1: I have this situation in my front yard too, and 453 00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:37,319 let me just mention that surrounding those daffodils, the plant 454 00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:40,480 that fills in real quickly and spring no work on 455 00:24:40,559 --> 00:24:43,880 my part, and the deer leave it alone. Stacey, is 456 00:24:44,279 --> 00:24:47,839 any of the nepettas like Cat's Pajamas or cats Meow? 457 00:24:48,039 --> 00:24:50,680 Speaker 3: Yep, they are a great choice. I think for sun 458 00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:56,319 hardy geraniums would could work really really well. Tuscan sun heliopsis, 459 00:24:56,319 --> 00:24:58,200 it's going to get a little bit taller than two feet, 460 00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:02,119 Veronica selvia. All of those will be good your resistent choices. 461 00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:05,440 But yeah, as far as spreading fast and you know, 462 00:25:05,599 --> 00:25:08,359 really doing the work for you, I do think that 463 00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:11,880 any nepuda is fine, A great choice. Now, I will 464 00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:16,079 say Carol, that the two plants you're considering planting are annuals. 465 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:19,480 So if you're looking to reduce your workload in this, 466 00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:23,279 you know, clay soil, it's hard to dig. Don't plant 467 00:25:23,279 --> 00:25:27,279 an annual. Put your effort into a perennial that's going 468 00:25:27,319 --> 00:25:29,279 to come back every single year, so that once you've 469 00:25:29,279 --> 00:25:31,720 done that effort, you're not wasting it, you're not having 470 00:25:31,759 --> 00:25:35,240 to repeat it. And you know, my advice for everybody 471 00:25:35,319 --> 00:25:38,720 who has clay soil, or who needs to limit the 472 00:25:38,839 --> 00:25:42,240 amount of digging that they do for physical reasons or whatever, 473 00:25:42,839 --> 00:25:46,240 is to start small. Now, normally I encourage people to 474 00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:48,880 shop at their local garden center because that's the way 475 00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:50,519 that you're going to get the best plant for the 476 00:25:50,519 --> 00:25:52,240 best value. You're going to get a big plant for 477 00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:55,319 less money, and that's generally what we want. But if 478 00:25:55,319 --> 00:25:57,960 you have clay soil, if you have problems digging, I 479 00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:00,240 actually encourage the opposite. I would say start with the 480 00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:03,400 smaller plants. And sometimes garden centers do have smaller plants, 481 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:06,720 but typically for most perennials, the smallest you're going to 482 00:26:06,759 --> 00:26:09,839 find is a one gallon, which is fairly small, but 483 00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:13,720 if you have very heavy clay soil and you know ailments, 484 00:26:13,519 --> 00:26:16,079 it's it's going to feel like a very large plant, 485 00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:18,119 Whereas if you order mail order, you're going to get 486 00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:19,839 a one court plant, so that's going to be a 487 00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:21,759 lot smaller. That means you have to dig a much 488 00:26:21,799 --> 00:26:25,559 smaller hole, and that will save you a lot of effort. 489 00:26:26,599 --> 00:26:28,880 So that's one way I think to get around some 490 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:32,359 of these challenges with clay soil. You know, a one 491 00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:34,359 court is just about four and a half feet tall 492 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:37,519 and wide, so it'll be very easy to plant. Of course, 493 00:26:37,519 --> 00:26:39,359 you can always see what your local garden center has, 494 00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:41,160 but this would be a good situation I think for 495 00:26:41,799 --> 00:26:42,720 ordering online. 496 00:26:42,799 --> 00:26:46,960 Speaker 1: I think sweet Romance lavender would be a great choice also. 497 00:26:47,319 --> 00:26:51,119 And then if we're dealing with the daffodils in shade, 498 00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:56,079 possibly ferns. There are many wonderful ferns that you could plant, 499 00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:59,920 and I've had success with the virginia I love bridge 500 00:27:00,039 --> 00:27:03,880 r ginia with any of your spring blooming bulbs, and 501 00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:06,279 I think it's doubtful that the deer would nibble on it. 502 00:27:06,319 --> 00:27:09,400 Speaker 3: Maybe they would, yeah, I don't know either. The deer 503 00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:12,400 do sometimes actually nibble my ferns, which is quite infuriating, 504 00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:16,279 and you know this is a sunny spot, as you said, Carol. 505 00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:20,119 But sometimes with the clay soil, if it's a wet clay, 506 00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:22,759 you can actually grow things that are more shade tolerant 507 00:27:23,519 --> 00:27:26,079 because as long as they're getting enough water, which they 508 00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:28,920 usually are in clay soil. So another plant that you 509 00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:31,319 could consider, again kind of verging on the shade, would 510 00:27:31,319 --> 00:27:33,160 be a Stelby. I think that would be another really 511 00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:36,359 really nice choice to cover all of that foliage. But 512 00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:38,759 again you have to just be careful that it's getting 513 00:27:38,799 --> 00:27:41,440 sufficient water for the amount of sun, especially down in 514 00:27:42,039 --> 00:27:43,240 a bit warmer usdas on. 515 00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:48,240 Speaker 1: Seven the deer eat your ferns because they know you're 516 00:27:48,319 --> 00:27:49,240 among fronds. 517 00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:54,519 Speaker 3: They're they're not among fronds, not by a long shot. 518 00:27:55,319 --> 00:27:58,400 Speaker 1: Catherine writes to us, Hello, garden friends, I purchased a 519 00:27:58,519 --> 00:28:02,440 dormant el Nino at my local garden center in early spring. 520 00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:03,519 Speaker 2: I've got a story for you. 521 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:06,799 Speaker 1: Excited as I heard the buzz about this shrub tree, 522 00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:09,640 I planted it in full sun zone eight A on 523 00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:12,119 March twenty second. As the weather warmed, a few leaves 524 00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:14,400 at the tip of the branches started to bud very. 525 00:28:14,279 --> 00:28:17,039 Speaker 2: Small then died back. Now no progress. 526 00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:20,119 Speaker 1: All the companion plants I planted that day are thriving, 527 00:28:20,519 --> 00:28:26,640 reblooming Azalea, verbina's, Euphorbia uanamus. So do I keep waiting 528 00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:32,039 for growth? Branches still feel pliable, but no bud swelling. 529 00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:35,599 Where will the new growth appear along the branch from 530 00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:36,079 the ground? 531 00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:36,880 Speaker 2: Do I move it? 532 00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:40,279 Speaker 3: Yeah? So, you know, Catherine, I wanted to answer your 533 00:28:40,359 --> 00:28:45,920 question because el Nino Chetalpa or desert orchid is a 534 00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:49,839 new plant, and it's not just a new plant to 535 00:28:49,839 --> 00:28:53,039 the proven Winter's line, but there really are no hybrids 536 00:28:53,079 --> 00:28:56,279 of Chilopsis and Katlpa, which that's where the name Chittelpa 537 00:28:56,319 --> 00:28:58,720 comes from out there, to kind of serve as a 538 00:28:58,759 --> 00:29:01,359 reference point. So I have this plant here in USA 539 00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:04,839 Zone six B, and it has been very interesting for 540 00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:07,640 me to see this year how very very late it 541 00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:11,319 is to emerge, and it is late, so it's late 542 00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:14,480 May here and I am only just starting to see 543 00:29:14,519 --> 00:29:18,200 the new growth coming out. And they're just tiny, tiny, 544 00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:23,400 little pinkish purply buds on the plant. And honestly, I 545 00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:26,960 don't think if I didn't know what I was looking for, 546 00:29:27,079 --> 00:29:29,680 I probably wouldn't even notice them. Because they are really 547 00:29:29,759 --> 00:29:34,000 quite nondescript. So what I think happened here, Kathy, Catherine, sorry, 548 00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:38,279 is that the plant was probably underwarm conditions when you 549 00:29:38,359 --> 00:29:41,720 purchased it. It got into your yard, started putting out 550 00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:44,279 that new growth, and then got hit by some cold 551 00:29:44,279 --> 00:29:49,559 and blamo and was like, you know, can't live with this, 552 00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:53,240 and so that tenderfoliage just fried. And you know, very 553 00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:58,839 often when this happens, a plant will wait until, you know, 554 00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:01,559 much longer to make sure that when it deploys those 555 00:30:01,599 --> 00:30:04,039 secondary buds, it's not a waste. They're not going to 556 00:30:04,079 --> 00:30:07,799 get hit by another frost. So sometimes that span of 557 00:30:07,839 --> 00:30:10,599 time in between when it started to grow and when 558 00:30:10,599 --> 00:30:13,720 it regrows can actually be quite long. So I wouldn't 559 00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:15,680 worry about it too much yet, I would say continue 560 00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:18,559 to care for it, and if as long as it 561 00:30:18,559 --> 00:30:21,119 feels pliable, that is definitely a very good sign, because 562 00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:23,920 when it's dead, you know, the wood becomes very very 563 00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:27,200 brittle and breaks easily. But I will say mine is 564 00:30:27,279 --> 00:30:30,519 primarily breaking lower down on the plant, and those lower 565 00:30:30,519 --> 00:30:32,680 buds are going to be a lot slower to emerge 566 00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:35,839 than those terminal buds which originally emerge. But I think 567 00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:38,640 it should be just fine. I can't see any reason 568 00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:41,440 that it would have died in your climates, even with 569 00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:42,279 that little setback. 570 00:30:42,799 --> 00:30:46,720 Speaker 1: I agree, and we experience that Blama event here in 571 00:30:46,759 --> 00:30:48,119 West Michigan often. 572 00:30:48,319 --> 00:30:48,559 Speaker 3: Yeah. 573 00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:52,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, My story, Stacy was that you're the person who 574 00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:54,799 got me excited about this plant, and I put one 575 00:30:54,799 --> 00:30:56,799 in the ground last year, and we had a rough 576 00:30:56,839 --> 00:31:01,480 winter this past winter, so I've been actually I was skeptical. 577 00:31:01,519 --> 00:31:04,079 I was thinking, this thing is not gonna come back. 578 00:31:04,119 --> 00:31:07,319 And I'm Zone six B also. Yeah, but we had 579 00:31:07,359 --> 00:31:10,440 to slow warm up this spring, and then finally by 580 00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:16,200 Mother's Day weekend into the seventies and the eighties budding beautiful. 581 00:31:16,759 --> 00:31:20,200 So I agree with you that the plant thought it 582 00:31:20,279 --> 00:31:25,880 was further into spring than it actually was and blamo. 583 00:31:26,079 --> 00:31:27,799 Speaker 2: But the plant will recover. 584 00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:30,279 Speaker 3: Yeah. This is also a very fast growing plant, so 585 00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:33,759 much like butterfly bush, which also does something similar and 586 00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:37,759 may not emerge until quite late in spring. You know, 587 00:31:37,839 --> 00:31:39,720 you can't give up on it. It does take a 588 00:31:39,759 --> 00:31:41,480 long time, and then you think, oh my gosh, okay, 589 00:31:41,519 --> 00:31:43,799 well here we are a beginning of June. This thing's 590 00:31:43,839 --> 00:31:46,359 finally growing. Well, now what's it going to do? And 591 00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:48,440 then next thing you know, you turn around and it 592 00:31:48,519 --> 00:31:50,880 has just grown by leaps and bounds and is not 593 00:31:51,039 --> 00:31:54,599 set back at all. And this is definitely a plant 594 00:31:54,599 --> 00:31:56,240 too that I mean, this isn't going to happen in 595 00:31:56,319 --> 00:31:59,839 USA Zone eight where you are, Catherine, but it can 596 00:32:00,039 --> 00:32:01,799 I back all the way to the ground and come 597 00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:04,119 back from its roots. So it's not just that it 598 00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:06,920 needs the wood that's above ground to survive. 599 00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:11,160 Speaker 1: So if you're not watching on YouTube, but you're listening 600 00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:16,240 on radio or podcast, Stacy, when we say al Nino, 601 00:32:16,359 --> 00:32:17,680 we're not talking about. 602 00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:21,359 Speaker 3: A weather now, we're talking about one of my favorite 603 00:32:21,359 --> 00:32:23,759 plants in the prooven Winter's colored choice line, al Nino 604 00:32:24,079 --> 00:32:27,519 desert orchid. It is a hybrid between Chilopsis, which is 605 00:32:27,519 --> 00:32:30,920 a native plant known as desert willow, and Katalpa, which 606 00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:33,759 of course is a common tree out here. So it's 607 00:32:33,839 --> 00:32:37,640 kind of a small tree, very large shrub pink flowers 608 00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:41,759 in summer that have the most incredible fragrance. I describe 609 00:32:41,759 --> 00:32:44,759 it as vanilla melon, but it's it's very hard to 610 00:32:44,799 --> 00:32:47,480 describe because there's really nothing quite like it, and a 611 00:32:47,519 --> 00:32:50,119 great plant that just blooms for months. For me and 612 00:32:50,359 --> 00:32:52,880 I it's just it's just very different and very interesting, 613 00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:56,720 so definitely worth seeking out and having a little patience 614 00:32:56,720 --> 00:33:00,359 because as I am discovering this year and also send 615 00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:02,720 a I'll take some photos so Aderona can put them 616 00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:04,079 in the video and you can see what mine look 617 00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:07,039 like for comparison. And I'm not worried at all. It's 618 00:33:07,119 --> 00:33:10,680 just just a little slow. So thank you all so 619 00:33:10,759 --> 00:33:12,400 much for your questions. We're going to take a little break. 620 00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:14,799 When we come back, we're going to continue our conversation 621 00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:24,519 about companion plants, so please stay tuned. Thanks for listening 622 00:33:24,599 --> 00:33:27,240 to the Gardening Simplified Podcast, brought to you by Proven 623 00:33:27,279 --> 00:33:30,440 Winners Color Choice Shrubs. Our award winning flowering shrubs and 624 00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:33,640 evergreens are trialed and tested by experts with your success 625 00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:38,559 in mind. Learn more at Proven Winners color Choice dot com. 626 00:33:38,759 --> 00:33:41,559 Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Gardening Simplified Show. Today we're talking 627 00:33:41,599 --> 00:33:45,039 about plants that make really good friends. 628 00:33:45,119 --> 00:33:46,559 Speaker 2: And one thing I wanted. 629 00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:50,599 Speaker 1: To ask you, Stacey, was often you'll hear when we 630 00:33:50,799 --> 00:33:56,079 approach our landscape that thirty percent of the landscape should 631 00:33:56,079 --> 00:33:59,680 be evergreens, or a foundation rule. 632 00:33:59,920 --> 00:34:00,799 Speaker 2: You buy into that. 633 00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:06,039 Speaker 3: I don't buy into any rules beyond a long I mean, 634 00:34:06,759 --> 00:34:09,400 you know, I think there's a lot of guidelines like that, like, oh, 635 00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:12,760 you know, your ideal landscape for wildlife should be you know, 636 00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:15,239 seventy percent native and it can be up to thirty 637 00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:18,639 percent exotics or whatever. I mean. And you know, I 638 00:34:18,679 --> 00:34:20,320 also read an article the other day that was like, 639 00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:23,119 box food hedges are out of style. I'm like, okay, well, 640 00:34:23,119 --> 00:34:26,639 I just planted three this weekend, and so too bad 641 00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:30,519 for me. I guess my garden isn't in style. Oh dear, 642 00:34:30,599 --> 00:34:34,039 what will I do? Yeah, I mean, I think it's 643 00:34:34,559 --> 00:34:36,559 evergreens are a great thing to have in the landscape, 644 00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:38,719 of course, and if you don't have any evergreens, you 645 00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:41,480 might be feeling kind of sad about that come winter 646 00:34:41,599 --> 00:34:44,119 when your garden doesn't have much green to look like 647 00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:47,599 to look at. But you know, we all, I think, 648 00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:53,440 end up with plants and landscapes based on what we like. 649 00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:56,719 And you know, you can always make a change, you know, 650 00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:57,840 there's no rules. Come on. 651 00:34:58,119 --> 00:35:00,679 Speaker 1: Well, and the only reason I it up, And I'm 652 00:35:00,679 --> 00:35:02,800 glad I brought it up because now I can go 653 00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:08,119 just about anywhere with this. But evergreens, of course, are foundational, 654 00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:12,760 and so they make a pretty good friend in the landscape. 655 00:35:13,639 --> 00:35:16,480 You mentioned in the first segment. You know that the 656 00:35:16,559 --> 00:35:22,079 color yellow against purple or blue. I love lemon squeeze pennacetum, 657 00:35:22,119 --> 00:35:25,119 and I've found that that's a great companion with with 658 00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:27,079 blue flowers. 659 00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:29,239 Speaker 2: So those are all great choices. 660 00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:31,119 Speaker 1: And it does bring up the point that when you 661 00:35:31,199 --> 00:35:34,280 plant annuals, and I plant a lot of annuals in 662 00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:40,440 my landscape, you can create temporary friendships. It's almost like 663 00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:43,719 a summer fling, right, I mean that when you're when 664 00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:47,159 you're looking at this, this isn't a long term relationship, 665 00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:50,960 but boy do they really add add color and go 666 00:35:51,119 --> 00:35:55,880 well with many different types of plants. Some are sweet 667 00:35:56,000 --> 00:36:00,440 and sweet spire it tea either of those two together 668 00:36:00,599 --> 00:36:04,239 with bud Leah's I guess I think to the summertime. 669 00:36:04,679 --> 00:36:09,440 I mentioned that heat and high ranges go together, and 670 00:36:09,639 --> 00:36:12,199 when you have rows of Sharon and bud Leah and 671 00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:15,920 hydranges in the same landscape, they put on quite a 672 00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:17,440 show when the weather gets hot. 673 00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:19,239 Speaker 3: And you know, that's what it's all about. I love 674 00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:22,800 that moment where just everything is blooming and it's totally 675 00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:26,039 over the top. You know. I go for that really 676 00:36:26,119 --> 00:36:28,639 all season long, and you know, that's I have an 677 00:36:28,679 --> 00:36:31,800 interesting companion planting in my landscape which I've had for 678 00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:35,199 several years now and just expanded it, and that is 679 00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:40,159 an L shaped bed with Baptisia on the outer edge 680 00:36:40,199 --> 00:36:43,920 and then summarific hibiscus on the inner edge. And those 681 00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:48,119 make a good companion because summerific is very late to 682 00:36:48,199 --> 00:36:51,000 emerge every year, so there's nothing to look at until 683 00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:55,440 pretty much June if then, and the Baptisia's really kind 684 00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:57,360 of jump out of the ground in spring and look 685 00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:00,400 really interesting and beautiful and then go on to so 686 00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:03,079 they really kind of do some heavy lifting while the 687 00:37:03,159 --> 00:37:06,360 sumarifics are just getting going, and then when the budly 688 00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:09,559 are done, they still have fabulous foliage. Then the sumarifics 689 00:37:09,559 --> 00:37:11,840 are going and they kind of take over. So it's 690 00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:17,599 kind of a nice, you know, ongoing display. And that's 691 00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:19,960 a good way to combine things too, is to you 692 00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:22,599 can gild the lily and have everything going bonkers at once, 693 00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:26,519 which is amazing, but you can also pair things so 694 00:37:26,639 --> 00:37:29,000 that they have a continuous seison of interests. 695 00:37:29,119 --> 00:37:31,480 Speaker 1: Everyone has their time in the sun, that's true. You 696 00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:33,360 get a chance to take center stage. 697 00:37:33,519 --> 00:37:34,079 Speaker 2: I love that. 698 00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:38,840 Speaker 1: I love tucking plants as friends in the landscape. I 699 00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:43,400 call them tucking plants. Plants that you tuckuples. You can 700 00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:47,400 tuck them between rocks or around the base of plants 701 00:37:47,519 --> 00:37:53,400 like Seatam's or time even carrex or sweet woodruff. They're 702 00:37:53,519 --> 00:37:56,880 tuckabules and they're they're really great friends. Of course, a 703 00:37:56,960 --> 00:38:00,440 cottage garden, I think of the combination of color pink 704 00:38:00,559 --> 00:38:04,079 and purple, has an informal look but kind of a 705 00:38:04,199 --> 00:38:09,480 casual mixture of flowers, herbs, vegetables packed into an area. 706 00:38:09,679 --> 00:38:12,280 Cottage garden is in my mind. 707 00:38:12,079 --> 00:38:13,039 Speaker 2: A friendly garden. 708 00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:16,480 Speaker 3: Yes, I would say friendly, accessible, approachable. 709 00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:20,239 Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's a great way to approach it. 710 00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:20,559 Speaker 2: Also. 711 00:38:20,599 --> 00:38:24,239 Speaker 1: And then Jan Johnson, we've had her on the show before, 712 00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:27,880 a landscape architect. As long as we're on the subject 713 00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:31,880 of friends, she does talk in her book garden Topia 714 00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:34,679 about taking a look at your front door and front 715 00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:39,079 entrance area, having space to mingle, to greet or to 716 00:38:39,159 --> 00:38:43,000 say goodbye to people when they leave, and kind of 717 00:38:43,039 --> 00:38:46,239 paying attention to the plant material that's around the front 718 00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:48,280 steps or the front porch. That makes a lot of 719 00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:48,760 sense to me. 720 00:38:49,039 --> 00:38:51,159 Speaker 3: It does, and you know, I think especially for people 721 00:38:51,199 --> 00:38:54,920 who are maybe a little bit mystified when they go 722 00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:56,719 to the garden center and don't know where to start. 723 00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:59,079 Think about those colors. Yes, you know, I think it's 724 00:38:59,079 --> 00:39:02,400 a really easy point of departure for designing your front 725 00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:04,760 landscape is just what colors your front or what color 726 00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:07,800 is your house? What color are your containers in working 727 00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:10,800 with that? And that makes a really if you look 728 00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:12,880 at I think if people take a moment to look 729 00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:15,039 at a picture of a house or whatever that really 730 00:39:15,519 --> 00:39:18,599 resonates with them, they take a moment to dissect what's 731 00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:21,840 actually working for them. Very often it is working with 732 00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:23,719 those colors that are already in your house. 733 00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:24,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true. 734 00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:27,440 Speaker 1: You know, when I go out speaking to groups, I 735 00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:30,119 often remind people that I believe that there are three 736 00:39:30,159 --> 00:39:34,559 people in this world. Those who make things happen, those 737 00:39:34,559 --> 00:39:37,679 who watch things happen, and those who wonder what in 738 00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:40,599 the world just happen. Those are the three types of people. Well, 739 00:39:40,639 --> 00:39:43,800 plants are the same way. But there are some people 740 00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:48,679 who have the ability to bring a group of people 741 00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:53,239 together kind of you know, they when they show up 742 00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:57,360 at the party, things start happening. Okay, And I kind 743 00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:00,760 of in a landscape where you have a wide diversity 744 00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:06,639 of plants. I find edging to be that way. In 745 00:40:06,679 --> 00:40:10,079 other words, the choice of the right plant for edging 746 00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:13,639 that pulls the whole thing together. So the landscape may 747 00:40:13,679 --> 00:40:19,840 be quite diverse, but this individual or plant, and I'm 748 00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:24,960 thinking Midnight Sun as an edging plant on a landscape. 749 00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:26,440 Speaker 2: Could you see that plant? 750 00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:29,519 Speaker 3: Oh, definitely, yes, an edging plant. I especially I love 751 00:40:29,599 --> 00:40:31,960 that plant with brick, with any cellar of brick. I 752 00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:33,239 think it works really really well. 753 00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:36,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, so really, so the type of plant that you 754 00:40:36,559 --> 00:40:40,639 choose for your edging can become a very important friend. 755 00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:44,199 Because again, when you have this diverse group of friends, 756 00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:47,920 let's call them in your landscape, the edging, if it's 757 00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:51,559 a common type plant or a common theme that strings 758 00:40:51,599 --> 00:40:54,679 along the edge, it kind of pulls everything together. So 759 00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:58,119 I think that's that's really important. And then in a 760 00:40:58,199 --> 00:41:01,760 previous show I had mentioned as a as it relates 761 00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:07,880 to annuals. Again, another tuckable is diamond frost Euphorbia. But 762 00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:11,079 also be copa because be copa is a good friend 763 00:41:11,119 --> 00:41:14,159 because it tells you when the other annuals need water. 764 00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:17,920 Because it it just basically shows you, hey, this is 765 00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:19,320 dry and it needs water. 766 00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:22,159 Speaker 3: And recovers once it does, and it recovers. 767 00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:26,360 Speaker 1: Copa, so it's baco Pa has nothing to do with 768 00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:29,199 the copa cabana and Barry Manilo. 769 00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:31,159 Speaker 2: But I think of that song every time I. 770 00:41:31,079 --> 00:41:34,320 Speaker 1: See the plants, you know, as far as friends in 771 00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:39,239 the landscape are concerned. Also, the bulb people really have 772 00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:45,440 a great handle on that. I love muscari, grape, hyacinths 773 00:41:45,519 --> 00:41:50,199 with a fosteriana tulip or for Scythia's with daffodils, or 774 00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:53,960 Virginia with tulips, or pansies with tulips. 775 00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:54,880 Speaker 2: All of these. 776 00:41:54,679 --> 00:41:58,440 Speaker 1: Plants make great friends in the landscape and really create 777 00:41:59,039 --> 00:42:03,440 a pop. Hypostes or polka dot plant also is a 778 00:42:03,639 --> 00:42:07,199 really good friend in the landscape. 779 00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:09,599 Speaker 2: And also ornamental onions. 780 00:42:09,159 --> 00:42:13,960 Speaker 1: Or aliums, hardy tough plants, flowers and foliage, but they 781 00:42:14,079 --> 00:42:21,440 really produce a reliable complementing let's say, contrast for other plants. 782 00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:26,400 If you, for example, take the perennial ornamental aliums like 783 00:42:26,519 --> 00:42:30,679 bobble head or serendipity and you combine them with salvia, 784 00:42:31,599 --> 00:42:36,400 again two very different types of foliage, but the plants 785 00:42:36,519 --> 00:42:37,920 really complement. 786 00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:39,679 Speaker 3: You know. I don't think you can go wrong with 787 00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:44,320 aliums anywhere, anytime they are they might be the ultimate 788 00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:48,119 garden friend. You know, they look great. Most varieties have 789 00:42:48,199 --> 00:42:51,239 very minimal foliage, so compared to other bulbs we're talking 790 00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:54,280 about the bulb aliums, they don't look real shoddy and 791 00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:56,679 you know, kind of bringing your whole garden down. I 792 00:42:56,719 --> 00:43:00,599 plant my succulent gardens throughout with aliums for acephalon drumstick 793 00:43:00,599 --> 00:43:03,840 alium because it just has like fine grass like foliage 794 00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:07,719 looks great. You know, you just you can't get enough aliums. 795 00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:11,480 Aliums just look good with I think everything. I don't 796 00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:14,519 know if I've ever seen a combination where I was like, hmm, 797 00:43:14,599 --> 00:43:16,360 could do without the alium. 798 00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:20,639 Speaker 1: So I think, you know, finding a friend plant that 799 00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:25,239 can both contrast and compliment, in my mind, makes the 800 00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:26,840 perfect plant in a landscape. 801 00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:28,960 Speaker 3: And that's all on you. It all depends on what 802 00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:31,480 you personally like. We've shared some of our ideas, but 803 00:43:31,599 --> 00:43:34,559 ultimately there are no right answers. There's just whatever makes 804 00:43:34,599 --> 00:43:37,519 you happy. So you know, we try to provide some 805 00:43:37,559 --> 00:43:41,280 guidance and inspiration and ideas, but ultimately it's your garden. 806 00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:44,159 You're in charge, and if you have a combination that 807 00:43:44,199 --> 00:43:48,039 you are particularly particularly proud of. We would love to 808 00:43:48,079 --> 00:43:49,480 see it. You can reach out to us at gardening 809 00:43:49,559 --> 00:43:54,000 Simplified on air dot com. So with that, thank you, Rick, 810 00:43:54,079 --> 00:43:56,199 thank you, thank you Adriana, and thanks so much to 811 00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:58,559 all of you for watching and listening. We hope you 812 00:43:58,559 --> 00:43:59,760 have a wonderful week ahead.