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<v Speaker 1>Hi, This is Jeff Cocnauga from dock in California. I

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<v Speaker 1>play at Lahontan Golf Club. This is golf Marto number

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<v Speaker 1>nine seventy seven.

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<v Speaker 2>If I can let everyone get to peek behind the

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<v Speaker 2>curtain of the golf coach here, there's a bit of

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<v Speaker 2>a power trip that happens with coaching where someone's hitting

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<v Speaker 2>it poorly. I change something bomb they're hitting it, well,

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<v Speaker 2>how good am I brilliant? On the flip side, there

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<v Speaker 2>are cases where you say something and they don't get

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<v Speaker 2>it and it's not working. And again, not everything, but

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of the things we see online are edited

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<v Speaker 2>that made it look like everything works every time. Coaching

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<v Speaker 2>is really hard and golf is really really hard, so

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<v Speaker 2>it's not going to be there every time. But we've

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<v Speaker 2>coaches sometimes as a sort of a washing of their

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<v Speaker 2>hands responsibility of ah, they just didn't get it, or ah,

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<v Speaker 2>they just got put in the time, whereas I say, well, actually,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe you didn't get it. Maybe the advice needs to

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<v Speaker 2>be better, how you conduct the session needs to be better.

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<v Speaker 2>So really I'm positive when people come to me and

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<v Speaker 2>say I just get the impression that what I'm saying

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<v Speaker 2>isn't really the ansome because it shows there is a critical.

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<v Speaker 1>Side unlocking the secret to finding your perfect golf coach.

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<v Speaker 1>With Anthony McCarthy checking in from Spain, this is Golf Smarter,

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<v Speaker 1>sharing stories, tips and insights from great golf minds to

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<v Speaker 1>help you lower your score and raise your golf IQ.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's your host, Fred Green. Welcome to the Golf Smarter podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>Anthony, Hey, Fred, great to be here. Looking forward to

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<v Speaker 2>having a really nice conversation.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, thank you. I am looking forward to that as well,

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<v Speaker 1>because I like talking to golf coaches. I think that

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<v Speaker 1>the primary base of this podcast is to talk to

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<v Speaker 1>coaches who can help us all become better, smarter golfers, obviously,

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<v Speaker 1>and any opportunity to talk to especially after the President's

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<v Speaker 1>Cup weekend, to talk to international coaches is even better. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>as we're recording this the day after the President's Cup

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<v Speaker 1>has finished, you're in Spain.

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<v Speaker 2>I am in Spain, so I'm in the southeast of Spain.

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<v Speaker 2>But hopefully you can tell from my accent it's not

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<v Speaker 2>a Spanish accent, it's an English accent. So I'm originally

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<v Speaker 2>from London, but I've been over here for twelve thirteen

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<v Speaker 2>years and I was the director of the golf academy

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<v Speaker 2>at La Manga Club, which has quite a good reputation

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<v Speaker 2>in Spain. It has connections with Palmer and Player and Biasteros,

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<v Speaker 2>so I was very happy to be there and in

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<v Speaker 2>general it's a very good place to be.

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<v Speaker 1>So what made the track? How did you get to

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<v Speaker 1>Spain from England?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? I did a couple education courses in England and

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<v Speaker 2>the one in Holland. I was really to give you

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<v Speaker 2>just a quick, a quick rundown. I was actually planning

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<v Speaker 2>to be a sports teacher, a pee teacher at school.

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<v Speaker 2>I very quickly realized after a placement in the school

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<v Speaker 2>that probably that wasn't my calling. So then I did

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<v Speaker 2>a I did a coaching course, or I did I

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<v Speaker 2>did a Yeah, I did a separate coaching course and realized,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, coaching and golf was always my passion. So

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<v Speaker 2>I originally came over to play, not with any sort

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<v Speaker 2>of high hopes of being a player, but just I thought, Hey,

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<v Speaker 2>to be a coach, I need to be a half

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<v Speaker 2>decent player. So I came over here, then met my

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<v Speaker 2>what would be my wife, and then yeah, the rest

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<v Speaker 2>is history. I'm sure it's a it's a well told

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<v Speaker 2>tale that one.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, right, exactly, the details we don't want to share.

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<v Speaker 1>What what What is the state of golf in Spain.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh, it's it's pretty good. It had a had a

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<v Speaker 2>massive dip around recession time pre and this is recession

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<v Speaker 2>sort of around circle two thousand and eight sort of thing.

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<v Speaker 2>A lot of a lot of courses get got built

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<v Speaker 2>with housings on it, with housing on it. Then obviously

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<v Speaker 2>the world went through a bit of an issue there

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<v Speaker 2>and unfortunately a lot of places went bust. But now

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<v Speaker 2>it's it's it's working its way up. I always think

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<v Speaker 2>with the with Spain, it's probably more of a class divide.

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<v Speaker 2>With golf, it's sort of more Yeah, got more for

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<v Speaker 2>the affluent in h Yeah. In Europe obviously states is

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<v Speaker 2>more accessible. But in general it's it's absolutely trending in

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<v Speaker 2>the right direction.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that separation from the classes? Is that because there's

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<v Speaker 1>not a lot of public golf? Is it mostly private golf?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's a it's a lot of private golf. There's

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<v Speaker 2>very very little public golf. Very I can't even think

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<v Speaker 2>k in the whole region where I am. There's one

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<v Speaker 2>sort of pitch and part the vast exactly exactly, The

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<v Speaker 2>vast majority are private. So yeah, that's where there's a

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<v Speaker 2>bit of a there's a bit of a gap there,

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<v Speaker 2>there's a bit of a divide.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that an issue? I mean, how is it that

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<v Speaker 1>you're we can encourage or is there no interest in

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I mean the kids are playing soccer, football,

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<v Speaker 1>but how do you get children interested in golf at

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<v Speaker 1>a young age?

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<v Speaker 2>There's it is a tough one. There is always that misconception.

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<v Speaker 2>I suppose that that is for like I said, for

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the more affluent the thing where I am

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<v Speaker 2>so I'm in the region called Mercia in the southeast

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<v Speaker 2>of Spain, and I suppose a lot of golf in

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<v Speaker 2>the whole of Spain just depends on tourism. So really

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<v Speaker 2>there's not a lot of Spanish people playing golf, but

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<v Speaker 2>there's a hell of a lot of Scandinavians, British, German,

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<v Speaker 2>French that come in and play. And those are the

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<v Speaker 2>ones that are really that are really playing in Spain.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, it's not ideal for the actual Spanish to play.

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<v Speaker 1>Interesting and yet Spain has produced some pretty famous.

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<v Speaker 2>Golfers unbelievable and that was I don't know if you say,

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<v Speaker 2>I've fred over the weekend in Madrid the playoff between

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<v Speaker 2>John Rahm and Idalgo fantastic, fantastic and obviously with a

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<v Speaker 2>history by a stereos la foul, It's yeah, it's got

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<v Speaker 2>a rich history.

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<v Speaker 1>It does. But it's not generating new players, right, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>based on what you're saying, it doesn't sound like that

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<v Speaker 1>it's generating interest in the masses.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a good point for the masses, no for and

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<v Speaker 2>normally yeah, I suppose like biostereosol Athaba, it'd be sort

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<v Speaker 2>of exceptions. They are generating players. So if you see

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<v Speaker 2>on the deep world to there are still a hell

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<v Speaker 2>of a lot of Spanish. But it again my guess

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<v Speaker 2>would be, and don't I'm not gonna hold the hout

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<v Speaker 2>on this, they would be again coming from more from

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<v Speaker 2>more affterent backgrounds.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, of course, of course. And is that a concern

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<v Speaker 1>for golfers, that that we can't open it up to

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<v Speaker 1>more people or is just there's other other sporting interests.

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<v Speaker 2>I think other sporting interests, I'd say with it, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't have my finger on the pulse of it completely

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<v Speaker 2>here the but the football soccer is the be all

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<v Speaker 2>end is the number one. It's a religion, but basically yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and and everything everything else basically sports wise, maybe a

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<v Speaker 2>bit of basketball here or there, everything else by the wayside,

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<v Speaker 2>it's basically just soccer and that's it.

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<v Speaker 1>So you've been coaching in Spain for over a decade.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep, are you busy? Yes, and again it would be more,

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<v Speaker 2>but not with but not with Spanish. So the actual

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<v Speaker 2>the clubs are very busy, but they would be again,

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<v Speaker 2>they would be more through through tourism. So the place

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<v Speaker 2>I was at and I've actually I stopped coaching there

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<v Speaker 2>in March, but I was there for ten years, La

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<v Speaker 2>Manga Club. It had a very very steady stream of

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<v Speaker 2>people in out. It had its own hotel. A few

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<v Speaker 2>days in the hotel out and then people also there are, however,

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<v Speaker 2>many houses on the resort, a lot people would just yes,

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<v Speaker 2>stay there. And again Brits Scandinavians predominantly. So it's golf

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<v Speaker 2>here is is still big. It's just not so big

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<v Speaker 2>with the Spanish.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh okay, So these are private courses, but tourists can get.

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<v Speaker 2>Access, yes, absolutely, yes, not.

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<v Speaker 1>A reciprocal thing. You could just I'm coming in from

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<v Speaker 1>a different country and.

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<v Speaker 2>It's it's it's it's public to to to an extent.

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<v Speaker 2>It's private to an extent, but you can still get

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<v Speaker 2>still get groups and still get people coming from from

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<v Speaker 1>I see. So if I if I was coming to Spain,

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<v Speaker 1>I would just be able to call the club and

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<v Speaker 1>say I'm coming from the States. I'd like to play like.

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<v Speaker 2>No problem, Absolutely, that's exactly interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, Well, I would love to spend more time talking

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<v Speaker 1>about your coaching and your approach to coaching. And let's

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<v Speaker 1>start with, you know, finding the right the right coach.

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<v Speaker 1>How do we find the right coach for ourselves.

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<v Speaker 2>I like to refer to what happens between a coach

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<v Speaker 2>and player a sort of a relationship, And like any relationship,

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<v Speaker 2>when you're first starting out, there's a little bit of

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<v Speaker 2>let's say, uncertainty. And there'll be some people who where

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<v Speaker 2>I suppose it would be love at first sight, where

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<v Speaker 2>they basically try a coach out and that's it. But

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<v Speaker 2>for other people it might be a matter of actually

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<v Speaker 2>just trying here and trying there, and trying there, trying there.

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<v Speaker 2>I think the overriding factor with it is trust, and

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<v Speaker 2>that trust comes in in a lot of forms, not

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<v Speaker 2>necessarily always do I trust them to help them with

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<v Speaker 2>my game? But are they trustworthy people? Do I like

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<v Speaker 2>spending time with them? Those are the characteristics that I say,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's sort of my Yeah, hey, I can't take

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<v Speaker 2>ownership of it, but sort of my thing that the

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<v Speaker 2>coaching is is a hell of a lot more than

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<v Speaker 2>just the what we say as coaches. Speaking for me

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<v Speaker 2>as a coach, but also the how's, the why is,

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<v Speaker 2>the who's and so on. But in terms of actually

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<v Speaker 2>picking a coach, I wish I could say, look for this.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't really buy into the fact, honestly of if

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<v Speaker 2>they've got a proven track record, because for me, then

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<v Speaker 2>that's basically just saying, okay, no one else can enter

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<v Speaker 2>that club. There are some really really good coaches who

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<v Speaker 2>maybe aren't as visible online, who aren't maybe as outgoing

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<v Speaker 2>or someone who are really top top coaches, but you

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<v Speaker 2>just might never have heard of them. So it's really

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<v Speaker 2>just maybe it's a bit of a cop out, but

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<v Speaker 2>it's really just seeing and seeing and trying and experimenting

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<v Speaker 2>and seeing if that ties in with you. There isn't

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<v Speaker 2>really one sized fistle with that.

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<v Speaker 1>Is. There a lot of competition, not forgetting students. But

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, do you have a lot of other golf

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<v Speaker 1>instructors in the area that you're competing against or is

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<v Speaker 1>it pretty much like I'd like to take lessons in

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<v Speaker 1>this part of the country. I'm just going to go

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<v Speaker 1>talk to Anthony because there's not a lot of other

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<v Speaker 2>There there, Yes and no, there are. There are quite

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<v Speaker 2>a few coaches around, but most of the players will

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<v Speaker 2>stick to their own club or the club where they

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<v Speaker 2>tend to tend to frequent I suppose it also depends

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<v Speaker 2>if there's many pros at the same at the same club,

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<v Speaker 2>but only speaking personally for it. Yeah, it's you'll find

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<v Speaker 2>most people would just congregranate and stick to one. Can

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<v Speaker 2>I ask you, You've talked about it a bit in

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<v Speaker 2>previous podcasts. What's your history with with coaching? Fred and.

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<v Speaker 1>My personal history of getting getting lessons with teachings?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, slim to none.

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<v Speaker 2>Firstly, I say there's nothing wrong with it, and I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think I think coaches will often say that you

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<v Speaker 2>to get lessons but I think for a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>How did them? What were the reasons behind that you.

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<v Speaker 1>Are Episode number nine hundred and seventy seven. I've probably

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<v Speaker 1>and then and then the gamut of golf conversation, from

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<v Speaker 1>authors to fitness and all these different things. So I've

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<v Speaker 1>always kind of wanted to prove my point that you

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<v Speaker 1>can learn from instructors just by listening to them, by

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<v Speaker 1>you know, whether you're reading their books or you're just

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<v Speaker 1>When I first started playing, I was forty two, and

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<v Speaker 1>And it's all by the conversations, all what I've learned

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<v Speaker 1>from the instructors that I've had conversation. I mean, like

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<v Speaker 1>instruction and game improvement. So it's funny because I think

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<v Speaker 1>frequently it's like, what am I going to do when

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<v Speaker 1>and how much I learned. But it's like, maybe I'll

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<v Speaker 1>trying to lower my index, because you know, sometimes my

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<v Speaker 1>head is exploding with the amount of information that I get,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, with a conflicting instruction, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Think with that, and it sort of links to something

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<v Speaker 2>that I'm keen to say, Please, it wasn't in. It

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't in, just where I said, there's nothing wrong with that.

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<v Speaker 2>There is nothing wrong with not taking lessons. It's you know,

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<v Speaker 2>to a certain extent, you know, the secrets in the dirt.

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<v Speaker 2>have to sort of personalize everything and the I think

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<v Speaker 2>some of the issue with golf and I heard Kelvin

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<v Speaker 2>the online and so on, which I'm not really that against.

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<v Speaker 2>It's all generalized, and that's the issue. Any tip you

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<v Speaker 2>definition generalized what you've done with it for it, like

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<v Speaker 2>by not taking lessons, it's actually just personalizing that situation too. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>it's an extreme example because very few people are going

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<v Speaker 2>to some really good minds. I'm not including myself.

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<v Speaker 1>In that, but you are now included.

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<v Speaker 2>It's being but it's it's being able to personalize everything

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<v Speaker 2>sounds cliche and so on. There are very very few truths.

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<v Speaker 2>There are very very few things that we really know

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<v Speaker 2>in of and to a certain extent, like we said,

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<v Speaker 2>for being able to pick a coach, it's about just

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<v Speaker 2>trying things and experimenting with things and seeing what works

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<v Speaker 2>for you, and speaking from a coach's perspective, it's the

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<v Speaker 2>trick is really being able to personalize what's happening to

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<v Speaker 2>the person in front rather than generalizing. Again, I know

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<v Speaker 2>it is cliched, I know you've heard it all before.

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<v Speaker 2>Good that the more I coach, the more I believe.

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<v Speaker 1>That honestly incredible. Well, yes, the primary motivation of this

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<v Speaker 1>podcast was I need to learn a lot. How do

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<v Speaker 1>I and the and the focus is like how do

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<v Speaker 1>I become a better golfer? Oh, I'll just talk to

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<v Speaker 1>golf instructors and put it up on the web. But

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<v Speaker 1>these are my conversations. I've been blessed with the fact

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<v Speaker 1>that a lot of people relate to these conversations and

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<v Speaker 1>listen and see themselves in my voice, and so that's

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<v Speaker 1>been very But that's never been my focus of like

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<v Speaker 1>how am I going to help all these people who

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<v Speaker 1>are listening? It's how am I going to become better?

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<v Speaker 1>And one of the things that I've really prided myself

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<v Speaker 1>on is that I have found instructors that are not

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<v Speaker 1>the most popular, that are not on TV, that don't

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<v Speaker 1>have the biggest YouTube channels. Right as time has progressed

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<v Speaker 1>and YouTube has become a main factor here, so I

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<v Speaker 1>like to talk about focusing on and showcasing the unsung

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<v Speaker 1>heroes of golf instruction, like yourself.

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<v Speaker 2>Well again, maybe when teve myself. And that's the one

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<v Speaker 2>coaching and golf improvement and so on. A couple of things.

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<v Speaker 2>Why I really like this podcast is because it is

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<v Speaker 2>open and you used it before. You use the term

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<v Speaker 2>to the masses. Sometimes when we read different articles and

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<v Speaker 2>watch different videos and someone, we have to be aware

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<v Speaker 2>that that quote unquote content is maybe not geared towards

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<v Speaker 2>the masses. A lot of the content now is geared

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<v Speaker 2>towards really really top players who practice a lot, who

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<v Speaker 2>are really impassioned to improve, and soon I think there's

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<v Speaker 2>a massive drop in Okay, I use the word information

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<v Speaker 2>for people who maybe don't fall into that category. I

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<v Speaker 2>always say this, This is a I call it like

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<v Speaker 2>a ninety ten principle, where I say ninety of the

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<v Speaker 2>golfing content is for the ten percent of people who

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<v Speaker 2>either have a really low handicap or like I said,

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<v Speaker 2>are out there every day practicing and song. It's not

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<v Speaker 2>for the quote unquote average golfer who doesn't have the

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<v Speaker 2>time to do that and has a family and someone

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<v Speaker 2>And maybe we'll jump in on the video here and

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<v Speaker 2>another there, but it'sn't really going to be clicking on

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<v Speaker 2>every sort of link. Again, like to tip my hat

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<v Speaker 2>to you. I think there's a massive, massive space there,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think when people do watch things and read things,

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<v Speaker 2>it's just remembering this might not be for me or

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<v Speaker 2>made specifically for me, and it's just being aware of

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<v Speaker 2>that when we do.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Anthony, please put your hat back on. No tipping

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<v Speaker 1>to me, because I've always felt very similarly that what

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<v Speaker 1>here in the States watching the Golf Channel. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know if you have an equivalent or you get that

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<v Speaker 1>the Golf Channel was always directed at single digit, at

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<v Speaker 1>low digit, handicapped golfers, and there was not an approach

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<v Speaker 1>a voice for everybody who you know, can't practice once

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<v Speaker 1>a week, hopefully can play once a week, have a

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<v Speaker 1>passion for the sport, have a passion for its history,

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<v Speaker 1>have a passion for everything that surrounds it. But you know,

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<v Speaker 1>as one player I played with years ago said to me,

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<v Speaker 1>He says? Two good shots in a row? I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>this is this is who we are. And I think

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<v Speaker 1>that's ninety nine percent of golfers, you know, are are

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<v Speaker 1>the ones who are struggling to get into the nineties

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<v Speaker 1>or the eighties. But we're always compelled to try one

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<v Speaker 1>more time, go out again, because golf will do that

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<v Speaker 1>to you. You get one good, one good shot that

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<v Speaker 1>either sounds great or looks great, You're going I'm coming.

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<v Speaker 2>Back, absolutely and I think, yeah, I can't sort of

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<v Speaker 2>pull it a study. But I used to ask a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of my people, a lot of the people like coach,

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<v Speaker 2>would you rather shoot your handicap? Or yeah, would you

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<v Speaker 2>rather shoot your handicap? Would you rather shoot two or

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<v Speaker 2>three over your handicap? But hit it really well, And

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<v Speaker 2>undoubtedly the reply was hit it really well again using

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<v Speaker 2>the personalized thing. You just have to play golf the

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<v Speaker 2>way you want to play golf. And let's say the

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<v Speaker 2>use of statistics now and someone is absolutely great, is

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<v Speaker 2>pushing the game forward. However, it is dividing golf into

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<v Speaker 2>right and wrong. Okay, until you should be doing this

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<v Speaker 2>and should be doing that. Okay, I'm in the land

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<v Speaker 2>of biosteros. But if you're in the trees and you

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<v Speaker 2>you know, you just enjoy hitting nice shots, you probably

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<v Speaker 2>know the safe shot would be to punch out sideways.

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<v Speaker 2>But if for that one out of fifty time you're

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<v Speaker 2>the leather and so on, and it works its way

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<v Speaker 2>up onto the green. It will be worth it. It

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<v Speaker 2>will be one hundred percent worth it. And again, for

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<v Speaker 2>a player, there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. We

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<v Speaker 2>have to play golf the way we want to. And again,

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<v Speaker 2>I because I'm a coach, asked to coaches, I'd say

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<v Speaker 2>actually promoting that, encouraging that in players, even if it

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<v Speaker 2>might not help the score depending on what the actual

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<v Speaker 2>goal is. Again, yeah, there's nothing wrong with it. I

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<v Speaker 2>always think, just last point, it's coaches will often feel

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<v Speaker 2>compelled to think everyone wants to get their handicapped down.

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<v Speaker 2>Everyone wants to They don't. They just don't. A lot

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<v Speaker 2>of people just want to hit nice shots. And I

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<v Speaker 2>think coaches will go off sometimes so okay, right, they

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<v Speaker 2>assume in eighteen handicapped, for instance, wants to get down

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<v Speaker 2>to twelve or someone because that's what they would have done. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>you need to be out on the putting green doing

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<v Speaker 2>these drills and so on. Not interested, not interested, And

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<v Speaker 2>there's nothing wrong with that. But again, it's actually actually

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<v Speaker 1>Well, there's so many things that you said there that

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<v Speaker 1>I want to go talk about. You know, the risk

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<v Speaker 1>reward element of a shot under the trees, hobbling around,

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<v Speaker 1>blah blah blah blah. Right as you describe.

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<v Speaker 2>That.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, that's why we call the show golf smarter,

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<v Speaker 1>right You, Yeah, you can see the flag, but you're

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<v Speaker 1>not necessarily going to hit it, and you may end

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<v Speaker 1>up with double or triple bogie where if you just

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<v Speaker 1>go back out into the fairway, okay, you'll get a bogie.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's walk away with that. So yeah, and the audience

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<v Speaker 1>is going to you'll be able to hear the audience

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<v Speaker 1>sing along with me on this. And one of our

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<v Speaker 1>favorite lines is never follow a bad shot with a

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<v Speaker 2>I'd say with this, it's all dependent on what the

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<v Speaker 2>that shot if it's a one out of fifty, like

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<v Speaker 2>I said, because there's nothing smart about there's nothing smart

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<v Speaker 2>about that. But if the objective is actually yeah, if

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<v Speaker 2>you're just playing with your friends and so on.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but you want to you want to be you

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<v Speaker 1>want to beat them. I mean, if you're playing with

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it depends on the the your friends, I suppose.

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<v Speaker 2>But again if the objective again, just if the objective

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<v Speaker 2>is school, Yes, it's not always school.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's what it's the next shot. It's always the

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<v Speaker 1>next shot, which is, as we know, the hardest shot

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<v Speaker 1>in golf is the next one right now. And the

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<v Speaker 1>other party you talked about the handicap and that, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>let's also remember it's like, do you want to play

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<v Speaker 1>to your handicap or do you want to you know,

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<v Speaker 1>just have some good shots. The handicap is an indication

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<v Speaker 1>of your potential, not your average score. Right, That's why

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<v Speaker 1>they take of your last twenty rounds, they take the

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<v Speaker 1>best eight. Say, you know, you have potential of playing here.

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<v Speaker 1>And as we recently learned from Joel Suggs that the

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<v Speaker 1>p is what he called the PGA, the bell curve

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<v Speaker 1>of your scoring, which is poor, good, an average, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and the bell curve being the top being the average,

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<v Speaker 1>and then you've got poor and and everybody has that,

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<v Speaker 1>and it could range with a single digit player, it

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<v Speaker 1>can range seven or eight strokes and for a you know,

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<v Speaker 1>a twenty handicap, it can range fifteen strokes, but you know,

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<v Speaker 1>but you've got that, So the handicap is I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>a big fan of that. Playing to the potential it's like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, because then all of a sudden people are

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<v Speaker 1>gambling on your potential. It's like, okay, what you're index?

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<v Speaker 1>All right, that's what you owe me two strokes? Like

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<v Speaker 1>wait a minute, this is your course. You play from

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<v Speaker 1>teeth farther back than I do. Neil, are you listening

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<v Speaker 1>right now? We're playing at your course, We're playing at

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<v Speaker 1>t's that I don't usually play, and I have to

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<v Speaker 1>give you two strokes three strokes? Come on, man, there's

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<v Speaker 1>got to be some balance here, even players, and we

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<v Speaker 1>both know it. Yeah, but the numbers say you gotta

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<v Speaker 1>give me three. Give me a break, man.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you know how that? Because that actually do you

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<v Speaker 2>know how I used to work? I can only speak

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<v Speaker 2>for the UK, but before the changes in handicap how

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<v Speaker 2>it used to work. Over that it was literally it

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't the eight, it wasn't the eight best, it was

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<v Speaker 2>just the average. So anytime, so anytime you played in

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<v Speaker 2>the competition, in Again, I can only speak for the UK.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if it was the same in other

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<v Speaker 2>places in Europe. You just you had your handicap, and

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<v Speaker 2>if you played poorly, your handicap went up, and if

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<v Speaker 2>you played well, your handicap went down point one, point

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<v Speaker 2>two or whatever. And there always used to be a

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<v Speaker 2>thing of oka, oh, the American systems. So I'm glad that.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm glad You're not the only one. You're You're an

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<v Speaker 2>honorary brit Thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>Someday I'll make it there. I always wanted to go,

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<v Speaker 1>and hopefully I got a big birthday coming up up

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<v Speaker 1>next summer, i'd like to make it. I might like

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<v Speaker 1>to make it over the UK to get some golf

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<v Speaker 1>in for that. Yeah right, we'll talk about that later.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's talk about instruction and personalizing. You talked about personalized

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<v Speaker 1>versus generalize. Let's get deeper into that of how how

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<v Speaker 1>how you personalize for a golfer? And I don't like

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<v Speaker 1>asking two questions, but I'll go ahead and do that.

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<v Speaker 1>And how long does it take for you to be

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<v Speaker 1>able to personalize your instruction for a student?

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<v Speaker 2>It doesn't take long. It just depends on how you

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<v Speaker 2>see it. The thing I say, and yeah, I think

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<v Speaker 2>this would be almost like a takeaway for anyone listening,

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<v Speaker 2>and at least this is this is the way I

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<v Speaker 2>see it. Try to work as much in what you

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<v Speaker 2>know rather than in a realm that you know will work,

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<v Speaker 2>rather than hope will work. So when it comes to gold,

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<v Speaker 2>there are actually very few things that we know help everyone,

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<v Speaker 2>and particularly with the swing thread, there's very very there

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<v Speaker 2>are very very few things that everyone does that you

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<v Speaker 2>can look on and the PGA tour and say, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>everyone does it that way. So with that, and if

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<v Speaker 2>I could just go go into detail with that, we

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<v Speaker 2>know basically we know impact and we know bull flight,

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<v Speaker 2>So everyone who is good will hit the ball first

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<v Speaker 2>then grass. And you're talking the other week about low point,

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<v Speaker 2>that's what we know. Everyone will hit the middle of

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<v Speaker 2>the face or around the middle of the face. It

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't lean towards drastically off the toe and drastically off

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<v Speaker 2>the hill, and everyone will have the club face that's

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<v Speaker 2>functionally straight. If if anyone's listened to Adam Young, those

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<v Speaker 2>are three principles that he really that he really goes by,

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<v Speaker 2>and I completely completely agree. So once you have that,

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<v Speaker 2>then you can branch off into. And there are other

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<v Speaker 2>things that we know. There are certain movements, for instance,

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<v Speaker 2>that we know that we know basically everyone does. Is

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<v Speaker 2>then actually again to a certain extent, experimenting different bids

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<v Speaker 2>and seeing what works for you. And again, I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>always the biggest thing, the biggest proponent of right and wrong,

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<v Speaker 2>good and bad. It's actually, to a certain extent, trying stuff,

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<v Speaker 2>and the coach can do this or a coach can

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<v Speaker 2>help with that in various ways and seeing what works

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<v Speaker 2>for you. The question that we that always sort of

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<v Speaker 2>is in the back of our heads or is yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>but could it be better? Could be better? And that's

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<v Speaker 2>where you might have to show a little bit of

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<v Speaker 2>a restraint of not actually just trying everything. The fact

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<v Speaker 2>of the matter is, we don't know a hell of

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<v Speaker 2>a lot. This is really positive, isn't it. We don't.

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<v Speaker 2>We don't know a hell of a lot. And a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of coaches will point at Furic, for instance, and say, well,

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<v Speaker 2>imagine if his dad had changed his swing, well, we'd

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<v Speaker 2>never have heard of him. Well, to be fair, we

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<v Speaker 2>don't know that either. If some changes went into Furic

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<v Speaker 2>when he was younger to make him quote unquote more conventional.

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<v Speaker 2>He might have been a better player for all we know.

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<v Speaker 2>So for me, it's working in a realm that you

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<v Speaker 2>know will work and try to spend as much time

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<v Speaker 2>in that realm as possible. Then it's seeing your patent,

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<v Speaker 2>seeing how you want to play, and then personalizing around

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<v Speaker 2>them all excuse me, personalizing a round those rather than hey,

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<v Speaker 2>you know the cliche, the typical one sized fiscle trying

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<v Speaker 2>to feel fit a model. Yeah, it's that's not ideal

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<v Speaker 2>when that happens.

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<v Speaker 1>First, I have to thank you for mentioning previous episodes

525
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<v Speaker 1>that you've heard. So are you Are you a listener? Really?

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<v Speaker 2>I am a listener, and I'm a self considered self

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<v Speaker 2>confessed like golf nuts or golf improvement not and definitely

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<v Speaker 2>a golf coaching nuts.

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<v Speaker 1>So that leads me to the question and I and

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<v Speaker 1>I truly appreciate you listening, but listening as an instructor?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you listen because of other instructors being on this

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<v Speaker 1>podcast and that you find this as additional study for you?

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<v Speaker 2>Point blank? Yes? And I think you just got to

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<v Speaker 2>You've got to keep your eyes open, in your ears

535
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<v Speaker 2>to the ground, and you've got to be aware of

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<v Speaker 2>what so and so are saying? And what so and

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<v Speaker 2>so are saying? And again that's where the experimental bits

538
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<v Speaker 2>come in. It's like, okay, a m I try that

539
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<v Speaker 2>for a bit. It's not though it's being open to

540
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<v Speaker 2>things but close to dogma. Is what I would say

541
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<v Speaker 2>is to actually be really critical and really self critical.

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<v Speaker 2>And I like to think for myself that I'm self critical.

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<v Speaker 2>It's saying, okay, is this working? Does that work? Did

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<v Speaker 2>that work? And when I listen to coaches and I yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I basically try to listen to everything. It's always almost

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<v Speaker 2>with a critical eye, not a negative eye, but a

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<v Speaker 2>critical eye of is this good or is this bad?

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<v Speaker 2>A lot of it's good, a lot of it not

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<v Speaker 2>so good. And then I just find my own find

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<v Speaker 2>my own conclusion.

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<v Speaker 1>As do I that is that is what we're looking for.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like there's a lot of information that we receive

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<v Speaker 1>and that we get, but it is sure great to

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<v Speaker 1>be able to figure out how to separate yourself from

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<v Speaker 1>all of an if I hate to call it noise

556
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<v Speaker 1>because I'm contributing to it, but but there's a lot

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<v Speaker 1>out there, and you know, I will get an email

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<v Speaker 1>from somebody saying that guy who who was on last

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<v Speaker 1>week really didn't connect with me, you know, or they

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<v Speaker 1>can say something a little more harsh than that, but

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<v Speaker 1>the point is that it didn't connect. And I inevitably

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<v Speaker 1>will write back and say wait till next week because

563
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<v Speaker 1>you're gonna have a different voice.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and then there'd be something else. And again, there's

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<v Speaker 2>nothing wrong with it disconnecting. No, Yeah, it's just it's

566
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<v Speaker 2>just that's not exactly right. It's just deciphering and again

567
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<v Speaker 2>being critical of For me, it's if there are exceptions

568
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<v Speaker 2>to the rule, is probably not the rule. So it's

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<v Speaker 2>sticking with that. And then it's okay being aware of preferences.

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<v Speaker 2>You might have certain preferences, but at the end of

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<v Speaker 2>the day, they're just that. It's not holding onto them

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<v Speaker 2>for their life. It's understanding their preferences and then working

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<v Speaker 2>at your own Now.

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<v Speaker 1>Now your website is golf Coachinstitute dot com. You work,

575
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<v Speaker 1>do you instruct instructors?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so that's that's basically what I do now. So

577
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<v Speaker 2>I said that are left in March at my previous

578
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<v Speaker 2>employment and I just go full time on this now.

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<v Speaker 2>So at the moment, I'm mentoring other coaches around some

580
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<v Speaker 2>of the topics that I that I talked about today

581
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<v Speaker 2>and enjoying myself great.

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<v Speaker 1>I hope it's succeeding for you. I know that when

583
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<v Speaker 1>recreational golfers call them amateur golfers if you'd like, but

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<v Speaker 1>recreational golfers that come to an instructor, you know, and

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<v Speaker 1>the instructor will ask the first couple basic questions, But

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<v Speaker 1>the answer inevitably is, I want more consistency, I want

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<v Speaker 1>greater distance. Probably the number one and number two requests

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<v Speaker 1>that instructors get, and there's probably three and four there

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<v Speaker 1>as well. But what is it when instructors come to you,

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<v Speaker 1>what is number one, two, three, or four of the

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<v Speaker 1>request that they have about, you know, from you as

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<v Speaker 1>a mentor to them? What do they want to improve on?

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<v Speaker 1>What do they want to know that will help them

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<v Speaker 1>become a better instructor.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a really good question. I would say only one.

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<v Speaker 2>What they're saying, or what they're saying they know isn't

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<v Speaker 2>fully the case, isn't fully right. And I appreciate that

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<v Speaker 2>more than anything because it shows to me that they're

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<v Speaker 2>critical about what they're saying. You'll have and I don't

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<v Speaker 2>want to be critical of coaches here sometimes if I

601
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<v Speaker 2>can let everyone get to peek behind the curtain of

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<v Speaker 2>the golf coach here, there's a bit of a power

603
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<v Speaker 2>trip that happens with coaching where someone's hitting it poorly.

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<v Speaker 2>I change something bomb they're hitting it, well, how good

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<v Speaker 2>am I brilliant? But on the flip side, there are

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<v Speaker 2>cases where you say something and they don't get it

607
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<v Speaker 2>and it's not working. Okay, And again everything not everything,

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<v Speaker 2>but a lot of the things we see online are

609
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<v Speaker 2>edited and made it look like everything works every time.

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<v Speaker 2>But just coaching is really hard and golf is really

611
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<v Speaker 2>really a really really hard spot, so it's not going

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<v Speaker 2>to be there every time. But with coaches sometimes as

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<v Speaker 2>a sort of washing of their hands, the responsibility of ah,

614
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<v Speaker 2>they just didn't get it or they just got to

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<v Speaker 2>put in the time, where as I say, well, actually,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe maybe you didn't get it. Yeah, maybe maybe the

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<v Speaker 2>advice needs to be better, or how you can douct

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<v Speaker 2>the session needs to be better. So really, I'm I'm

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<v Speaker 2>positive when people come to me and say I just

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<v Speaker 2>get the impression of what I'm saying isn't isn't really

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<v Speaker 2>the answer, because it shows that there is a critical

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<v Speaker 2>side and especially starting out younger coaches, it will be

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<v Speaker 2>the case where it's it probably isn't the answer. Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>And so a lot of people come and ask me

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<v Speaker 2>for advice in that there there to a certain extent

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<v Speaker 2>happy with what they're doing. Information wise, I think is okay,

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<v Speaker 2>but the application and so on, it's just they know

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<v Speaker 2>it's maybe not fully there.

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<v Speaker 1>It's that's just like golf to me, it's your your

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<v Speaker 1>intention versus execution the teacher. You know. And you asked

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<v Speaker 1>me about how many lessons I've had that also included

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<v Speaker 1>a weekend golf school. Early and early in the podcast,

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<v Speaker 1>there was a golf academy in Arizona that my wife

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<v Speaker 1>and I went to. My wife was like brand new

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<v Speaker 1>to golf. She still is. She's not listening. I can

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<v Speaker 1>say this. She says, yeah, I played cold. It's like, no,

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<v Speaker 1>you don't.

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<v Speaker 2>She's a really good plan.

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<v Speaker 1>About six years ago. You can't. And she goes, let's

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<v Speaker 1>go on playing. I'm like, I don't want to do that.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not going to be fun for me. But we

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<v Speaker 1>went to this golf school and there was an instructor

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<v Speaker 1>that I was working with at this school. To remain nameless,

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<v Speaker 1>mainly because I forgot her name, but she was saying, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>just do this, and I'm like, I don't understand what

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<v Speaker 1>that means, because we'll just do that. I'm like, do what.

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<v Speaker 1>She goes what I what I'm telling you to do what?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure it's like, I don't understand that though I

649
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<v Speaker 1>don't understand how to execute that. How can you reframe it?

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<v Speaker 1>Can you restate it so I might be able to

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<v Speaker 1>comprehend what you're saying. And it just came back the

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<v Speaker 1>same way. So intention versus execution from a coach as

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<v Speaker 1>well as the amateur golfer. You know, our intent. Our

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<v Speaker 1>intent is so important here on every shot.

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<v Speaker 2>I mentioned earlier. And that's the thing I mentioned earlier

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<v Speaker 2>about it being a relationship, and for a relationship there

657
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<v Speaker 2>has to be equal amounts of input and equal amounts

658
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<v Speaker 2>of responsibility on both sides. So if the player is saying, God,

659
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<v Speaker 2>that coach was terrible all the time when they haven't

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<v Speaker 2>maybe actually practiced what the coach was saying and so on,

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<v Speaker 2>that's not great. But at the same time, a coach

662
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<v Speaker 2>saying they just didn't get it, they're not that good,

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<v Speaker 2>that's not great either. And it's a really important point

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<v Speaker 2>for it. It's a cliched one, but really sort of

665
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<v Speaker 2>top coaches, we'll be able to say things that resonate,

666
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<v Speaker 2>and we'll be able to demonstrate and resonate and leave

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<v Speaker 2>a mark on the player. It's one of those things

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<v Speaker 2>that all things get said, Okay, I didn't understand, and

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<v Speaker 2>then they said it a different way than I did understand.

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<v Speaker 2>It's absolutely it's absolutely right, and the really really top

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<v Speaker 2>coaches will be able to transcend what you even thought

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<v Speaker 2>about happening in the golf lesson not just through not

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<v Speaker 2>just through the result and the success you have in

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<v Speaker 2>that golf session, but also the relationship that you have

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<v Speaker 2>with them and the sport in the sports in general.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so we talked about your website is golf Coachinstitute

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<v Speaker 1>dot com. Do you work with recreational amateur players or

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<v Speaker 1>is it you primarily focused on working with instructors.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just instructors at the moment, but there's a you know,

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<v Speaker 2>when I when I was playing a bit, I would

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<v Speaker 2>still just look at all the instructors work on Golf

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<v Speaker 2>Digest and so on. So there's still a hell of

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of a hell of a lot of good

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<v Speaker 2>stuff for players and also, and I suppose there was

685
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<v Speaker 2>almost the topic of the conversation today or right, things

686
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<v Speaker 2>that you can just keep an eye out in your

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<v Speaker 2>own work with with your coach or if you are

688
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<v Speaker 2>looking for a coach. There's a few there's a few

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<v Speaker 2>useful points in there.

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<v Speaker 1>Feel well, Anthony, I truly appreciate your support of listening

691
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<v Speaker 1>to the podcast and reaching out to have this conversation

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<v Speaker 1>because I found it absolutely fascinating and I've learned a lot,

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<v Speaker 1>So thank you so much for coming on to the

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<v Speaker 1>Golf Smarter podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks Ritt. Honestly, if you do a head of a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of good stuff. So yeah, I was really really

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<v Speaker 2>happy to join