1 00:00:03,680 --> 00:00:07,240 Speaker 1: Hi, This is Jeff Cocnauga from dock in California. I 2 00:00:07,360 --> 00:00:11,640 play at Lahontan Golf Club. This is golf Marto number 3 00:00:12,160 --> 00:00:13,480 nine seventy seven. 4 00:00:14,199 --> 00:00:16,440 Speaker 2: If I can let everyone get to peek behind the 5 00:00:16,440 --> 00:00:19,039 curtain of the golf coach here, there's a bit of 6 00:00:19,039 --> 00:00:22,760 a power trip that happens with coaching where someone's hitting 7 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:26,879 it poorly. I change something bomb they're hitting it, well, 8 00:00:27,079 --> 00:00:30,399 how good am I brilliant? On the flip side, there 9 00:00:30,399 --> 00:00:33,679 are cases where you say something and they don't get 10 00:00:33,719 --> 00:00:37,240 it and it's not working. And again, not everything, but 11 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:39,880 a lot of the things we see online are edited 12 00:00:40,079 --> 00:00:42,960 that made it look like everything works every time. Coaching 13 00:00:43,039 --> 00:00:46,240 is really hard and golf is really really hard, so 14 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:48,200 it's not going to be there every time. But we've 15 00:00:48,280 --> 00:00:51,320 coaches sometimes as a sort of a washing of their 16 00:00:51,320 --> 00:00:55,719 hands responsibility of ah, they just didn't get it, or ah, 17 00:00:55,840 --> 00:00:58,240 they just got put in the time, whereas I say, well, actually, 18 00:00:58,240 --> 00:01:01,159 maybe you didn't get it. Maybe the advice needs to 19 00:01:01,159 --> 00:01:03,719 be better, how you conduct the session needs to be better. 20 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:07,040 So really I'm positive when people come to me and 21 00:01:07,079 --> 00:01:10,239 say I just get the impression that what I'm saying 22 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:13,760 isn't really the ansome because it shows there is a critical. 23 00:01:13,439 --> 00:01:22,719 Speaker 1: Side unlocking the secret to finding your perfect golf coach. 24 00:01:22,959 --> 00:01:27,840 With Anthony McCarthy checking in from Spain, this is Golf Smarter, 25 00:01:28,799 --> 00:01:32,640 sharing stories, tips and insights from great golf minds to 26 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:35,680 help you lower your score and raise your golf IQ. 27 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:40,920 Here's your host, Fred Green. Welcome to the Golf Smarter podcast. 28 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:44,480 Speaker 2: Anthony, Hey, Fred, great to be here. Looking forward to 29 00:01:44,519 --> 00:01:46,120 having a really nice conversation. 30 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 1: Well, thank you. I am looking forward to that as well, 31 00:01:49,439 --> 00:01:52,680 because I like talking to golf coaches. I think that 32 00:01:52,959 --> 00:01:56,359 the primary base of this podcast is to talk to 33 00:01:56,439 --> 00:02:02,280 coaches who can help us all become better, smarter golfers, obviously, 34 00:02:03,239 --> 00:02:08,039 and any opportunity to talk to especially after the President's 35 00:02:08,039 --> 00:02:12,000 Cup weekend, to talk to international coaches is even better. Yeah, 36 00:02:12,719 --> 00:02:15,719 as we're recording this the day after the President's Cup 37 00:02:15,759 --> 00:02:17,879 has finished, you're in Spain. 38 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:21,319 Speaker 2: I am in Spain, so I'm in the southeast of Spain. 39 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:23,639 But hopefully you can tell from my accent it's not 40 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:27,240 a Spanish accent, it's an English accent. So I'm originally 41 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:32,120 from London, but I've been over here for twelve thirteen 42 00:02:32,199 --> 00:02:36,039 years and I was the director of the golf academy 43 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:40,080 at La Manga Club, which has quite a good reputation 44 00:02:40,199 --> 00:02:44,639 in Spain. It has connections with Palmer and Player and Biasteros, 45 00:02:45,759 --> 00:02:47,520 so I was very happy to be there and in 46 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:49,400 general it's a very good place to be. 47 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:51,960 Speaker 1: So what made the track? How did you get to 48 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:53,680 Spain from England? 49 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:58,319 Speaker 2: Yeah? I did a couple education courses in England and 50 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:01,879 the one in Holland. I was really to give you 51 00:03:01,919 --> 00:03:04,599 just a quick, a quick rundown. I was actually planning 52 00:03:04,599 --> 00:03:07,240 to be a sports teacher, a pee teacher at school. 53 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:12,199 I very quickly realized after a placement in the school 54 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:14,960 that probably that wasn't my calling. So then I did 55 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:18,960 a I did a coaching course, or I did I 56 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:21,919 did a Yeah, I did a separate coaching course and realized, 57 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:25,840 you know, coaching and golf was always my passion. So 58 00:03:25,919 --> 00:03:30,039 I originally came over to play, not with any sort 59 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:33,280 of high hopes of being a player, but just I thought, Hey, 60 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:35,319 to be a coach, I need to be a half 61 00:03:35,319 --> 00:03:39,240 decent player. So I came over here, then met my 62 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:42,560 what would be my wife, and then yeah, the rest 63 00:03:42,639 --> 00:03:44,560 is history. I'm sure it's a it's a well told 64 00:03:44,879 --> 00:03:45,560 tale that one. 65 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:48,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, right, exactly, the details we don't want to share. 66 00:03:51,159 --> 00:03:54,560 What what What is the state of golf in Spain. 67 00:03:55,719 --> 00:03:59,000 Speaker 2: Uh, it's it's pretty good. It had a had a 68 00:03:59,039 --> 00:04:03,960 massive dip around recession time pre and this is recession 69 00:04:04,159 --> 00:04:06,719 sort of around circle two thousand and eight sort of thing. 70 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:11,039 A lot of a lot of courses get got built 71 00:04:11,719 --> 00:04:15,360 with housings on it, with housing on it. Then obviously 72 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:18,439 the world went through a bit of an issue there 73 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:22,759 and unfortunately a lot of places went bust. But now 74 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:25,720 it's it's it's working its way up. I always think 75 00:04:25,759 --> 00:04:29,399 with the with Spain, it's probably more of a class divide. 76 00:04:29,399 --> 00:04:34,959 With golf, it's sort of more Yeah, got more for 77 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:39,759 the affluent in h Yeah. In Europe obviously states is 78 00:04:40,079 --> 00:04:44,199 more accessible. But in general it's it's absolutely trending in 79 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:44,839 the right direction. 80 00:04:45,959 --> 00:04:50,360 Speaker 1: Is that separation from the classes? Is that because there's 81 00:04:50,399 --> 00:04:53,000 not a lot of public golf? Is it mostly private golf? 82 00:04:53,199 --> 00:04:55,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a it's a lot of private golf. There's 83 00:04:55,399 --> 00:04:59,199 very very little public golf. Very I can't even think 84 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:02,279 k in the whole region where I am. There's one 85 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:08,199 sort of pitch and part the vast exactly exactly, The 86 00:05:08,639 --> 00:05:12,560 vast majority are private. So yeah, that's where there's a 87 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:14,199 bit of a there's a bit of a gap there, 88 00:05:14,199 --> 00:05:15,240 there's a bit of a divide. 89 00:05:15,639 --> 00:05:18,040 Speaker 1: Is that an issue? I mean, how is it that 90 00:05:18,079 --> 00:05:23,519 you're we can encourage or is there no interest in 91 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:26,160 you know, I mean the kids are playing soccer, football, 92 00:05:26,959 --> 00:05:30,079 but how do you get children interested in golf at 93 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:31,000 a young age? 94 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:37,920 Speaker 2: There's it is a tough one. There is always that misconception. 95 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:42,360 I suppose that that is for like I said, for 96 00:05:43,319 --> 00:05:46,160 you know, the more affluent the thing where I am 97 00:05:46,199 --> 00:05:49,040 so I'm in the region called Mercia in the southeast 98 00:05:49,079 --> 00:05:53,199 of Spain, and I suppose a lot of golf in 99 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:56,959 the whole of Spain just depends on tourism. So really 100 00:05:57,639 --> 00:06:00,079 there's not a lot of Spanish people playing golf, but 101 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:03,639 there's a hell of a lot of Scandinavians, British, German, 102 00:06:03,759 --> 00:06:06,319 French that come in and play. And those are the 103 00:06:06,319 --> 00:06:08,399 ones that are really that are really playing in Spain. 104 00:06:09,639 --> 00:06:13,360 But yeah, it's not ideal for the actual Spanish to play. 105 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:18,199 Speaker 1: Interesting and yet Spain has produced some pretty famous. 106 00:06:17,879 --> 00:06:21,199 Speaker 2: Golfers unbelievable and that was I don't know if you say, 107 00:06:21,199 --> 00:06:27,040 I've fred over the weekend in Madrid the playoff between 108 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:32,399 John Rahm and Idalgo fantastic, fantastic and obviously with a 109 00:06:32,519 --> 00:06:36,680 history by a stereos la foul, It's yeah, it's got 110 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:37,439 a rich history. 111 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:41,720 Speaker 1: It does. But it's not generating new players, right, I mean, 112 00:06:41,839 --> 00:06:43,800 based on what you're saying, it doesn't sound like that 113 00:06:43,879 --> 00:06:46,759 it's generating interest in the masses. 114 00:06:47,959 --> 00:06:51,360 Speaker 2: It's a good point for the masses, no for and 115 00:06:51,439 --> 00:06:55,319 normally yeah, I suppose like biostereosol Athaba, it'd be sort 116 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:59,199 of exceptions. They are generating players. So if you see 117 00:06:59,199 --> 00:07:00,920 on the deep world to there are still a hell 118 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:04,680 of a lot of Spanish. But it again my guess 119 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:09,160 would be, and don't I'm not gonna hold the hout 120 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:12,160 on this, they would be again coming from more from 121 00:07:12,199 --> 00:07:14,000 more affterent backgrounds. 122 00:07:14,319 --> 00:07:18,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, of course, of course. And is that a concern 123 00:07:18,240 --> 00:07:20,560 for golfers, that that we can't open it up to 124 00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:24,759 more people or is just there's other other sporting interests. 125 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:27,959 Speaker 2: I think other sporting interests, I'd say with it, I 126 00:07:27,959 --> 00:07:30,680 don't have my finger on the pulse of it completely 127 00:07:30,759 --> 00:07:37,279 here the but the football soccer is the be all 128 00:07:37,399 --> 00:07:43,360 end is the number one. It's a religion, but basically yeah, 129 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:47,560 and and everything everything else basically sports wise, maybe a 130 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:50,560 bit of basketball here or there, everything else by the wayside, 131 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:53,759 it's basically just soccer and that's it. 132 00:07:55,959 --> 00:08:00,920 Speaker 1: So you've been coaching in Spain for over a decade. 133 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:07,680 Speaker 2: Yep, are you busy? Yes, and again it would be more, 134 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:11,399 but not with but not with Spanish. So the actual 135 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:15,800 the clubs are very busy, but they would be again, 136 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:19,240 they would be more through through tourism. So the place 137 00:08:19,319 --> 00:08:23,120 I was at and I've actually I stopped coaching there 138 00:08:23,240 --> 00:08:25,759 in March, but I was there for ten years, La 139 00:08:25,800 --> 00:08:30,360 Manga Club. It had a very very steady stream of 140 00:08:30,399 --> 00:08:34,120 people in out. It had its own hotel. A few 141 00:08:34,200 --> 00:08:38,720 days in the hotel out and then people also there are, however, 142 00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:43,320 many houses on the resort, a lot people would just yes, 143 00:08:43,399 --> 00:08:49,399 stay there. And again Brits Scandinavians predominantly. So it's golf 144 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:52,440 here is is still big. It's just not so big 145 00:08:52,519 --> 00:08:53,240 with the Spanish. 146 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:59,759 Speaker 1: Oh okay, So these are private courses, but tourists can get. 147 00:08:59,679 --> 00:09:01,840 Speaker 2: Access, yes, absolutely, yes, not. 148 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:04,240 Speaker 1: A reciprocal thing. You could just I'm coming in from 149 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:05,600 a different country and. 150 00:09:06,279 --> 00:09:10,200 Speaker 2: It's it's it's it's public to to to an extent. 151 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:12,360 It's private to an extent, but you can still get 152 00:09:13,039 --> 00:09:15,919 still get groups and still get people coming from from 153 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:16,559 outside in. 154 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:20,200 Speaker 1: I see. So if I if I was coming to Spain, 155 00:09:20,399 --> 00:09:22,039 I would just be able to call the club and 156 00:09:22,080 --> 00:09:24,879 say I'm coming from the States. I'd like to play like. 157 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:28,919 Speaker 2: No problem, Absolutely, that's exactly interesting. 158 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:32,679 Speaker 1: Right, Well, I would love to spend more time talking 159 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:39,240 about your coaching and your approach to coaching. And let's 160 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:43,200 start with, you know, finding the right the right coach. 161 00:09:43,759 --> 00:09:46,440 How do we find the right coach for ourselves. 162 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:51,000 Speaker 2: I like to refer to what happens between a coach 163 00:09:51,039 --> 00:09:57,639 and player a sort of a relationship, And like any relationship, 164 00:09:57,879 --> 00:10:01,279 when you're first starting out, there's a little bit of 165 00:10:01,759 --> 00:10:05,840 let's say, uncertainty. And there'll be some people who where 166 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:09,600 I suppose it would be love at first sight, where 167 00:10:09,639 --> 00:10:13,279 they basically try a coach out and that's it. But 168 00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:15,480 for other people it might be a matter of actually 169 00:10:15,519 --> 00:10:18,559 just trying here and trying there, and trying there, trying there. 170 00:10:18,919 --> 00:10:24,919 I think the overriding factor with it is trust, and 171 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:30,000 that trust comes in in a lot of forms, not 172 00:10:30,279 --> 00:10:33,679 necessarily always do I trust them to help them with 173 00:10:33,799 --> 00:10:36,960 my game? But are they trustworthy people? Do I like 174 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:40,639 spending time with them? Those are the characteristics that I say, 175 00:10:41,919 --> 00:10:44,919 and it's sort of my Yeah, hey, I can't take 176 00:10:44,960 --> 00:10:47,559 ownership of it, but sort of my thing that the 177 00:10:47,559 --> 00:10:50,200 coaching is is a hell of a lot more than 178 00:10:50,279 --> 00:10:53,000 just the what we say as coaches. Speaking for me 179 00:10:53,039 --> 00:10:55,519 as a coach, but also the how's, the why is, 180 00:10:55,559 --> 00:10:58,559 the who's and so on. But in terms of actually 181 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:02,399 picking a coach, I wish I could say, look for this. 182 00:11:02,679 --> 00:11:06,759 I don't really buy into the fact, honestly of if 183 00:11:06,799 --> 00:11:09,840 they've got a proven track record, because for me, then 184 00:11:09,879 --> 00:11:13,440 that's basically just saying, okay, no one else can enter 185 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:16,679 that club. There are some really really good coaches who 186 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:22,200 maybe aren't as visible online, who aren't maybe as outgoing 187 00:11:22,279 --> 00:11:24,960 or someone who are really top top coaches, but you 188 00:11:25,120 --> 00:11:28,879 just might never have heard of them. So it's really 189 00:11:29,039 --> 00:11:31,519 just maybe it's a bit of a cop out, but 190 00:11:31,559 --> 00:11:38,240 it's really just seeing and seeing and trying and experimenting 191 00:11:38,440 --> 00:11:40,320 and seeing if that ties in with you. There isn't 192 00:11:40,360 --> 00:11:42,399 really one sized fistle with that. 193 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:54,879 Speaker 1: Is. There a lot of competition, not forgetting students. But 194 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:56,480 I mean, do you have a lot of other golf 195 00:11:56,519 --> 00:11:59,759 instructors in the area that you're competing against or is 196 00:11:59,799 --> 00:12:02,879 it pretty much like I'd like to take lessons in 197 00:12:02,919 --> 00:12:04,799 this part of the country. I'm just going to go 198 00:12:04,840 --> 00:12:06,879 talk to Anthony because there's not a lot of other 199 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:07,639 people out. 200 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:11,360 Speaker 2: There there, Yes and no, there are. There are quite 201 00:12:11,399 --> 00:12:14,159 a few coaches around, but most of the players will 202 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:17,960 stick to their own club or the club where they 203 00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:22,480 tend to tend to frequent I suppose it also depends 204 00:12:22,519 --> 00:12:25,360 if there's many pros at the same at the same club, 205 00:12:26,080 --> 00:12:31,440 but only speaking personally for it. Yeah, it's you'll find 206 00:12:31,440 --> 00:12:34,720 most people would just congregranate and stick to one. Can 207 00:12:34,799 --> 00:12:37,200 I ask you, You've talked about it a bit in 208 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:41,720 previous podcasts. What's your history with with coaching? Fred and. 209 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:47,279 Speaker 1: My personal history of getting getting lessons with teachings? 210 00:12:47,639 --> 00:12:49,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, slim to none. 211 00:12:49,039 --> 00:12:53,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, I've had. I think I could say I've 212 00:12:53,879 --> 00:12:58,159 had less than five in person lessons. 213 00:12:58,879 --> 00:13:02,320 Speaker 2: Firstly, I say there's nothing wrong with it, and I 214 00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:05,759 don't think I think coaches will often say that you 215 00:13:05,799 --> 00:13:08,200 have to get lessons on you don't. You don't have 216 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:10,360 to get lessons but I think for a lot of 217 00:13:10,360 --> 00:13:15,320 people it can help. Can I ask how did that? 218 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:21,000 How did them? What were the reasons behind that you. 219 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:24,639 Speaker 1: Are Episode number nine hundred and seventy seven. I've probably 220 00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:30,039 talked over five hundred coaches, many of them multiple times, 221 00:13:31,159 --> 00:13:35,399 and then and then the gamut of golf conversation, from 222 00:13:35,639 --> 00:13:39,840 authors to fitness and all these different things. So I've 223 00:13:39,960 --> 00:13:48,000 always kind of wanted to prove my point that you 224 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:52,440 can learn from instructors just by listening to them, by 225 00:13:52,519 --> 00:13:54,559 you know, whether you're reading their books or you're just 226 00:13:54,720 --> 00:13:59,240 hearing a podcast. And I have gone from being probably 227 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:02,000 when I first started playing, when I was in my forties. 228 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:05,200 When I first started playing, I was forty two, and 229 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:08,399 you know, at the beginning, you don't even keep an 230 00:14:08,440 --> 00:14:11,360 index or anything. But I was easily a twenty or 231 00:14:11,639 --> 00:14:16,320 around there somewhere, and now I'm hovering around a ten. 232 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:21,320 And it's all by the conversations, all what I've learned 233 00:14:21,399 --> 00:14:23,960 from the instructors that I've had conversation. I mean, like 234 00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:28,639 I've been doing this weekly for nineteen years. It's almost 235 00:14:28,679 --> 00:14:32,720 like a graduate level course that I've had in golf 236 00:14:32,759 --> 00:14:38,840 instruction and game improvement. So it's funny because I think 237 00:14:39,039 --> 00:14:40,879 frequently it's like, what am I going to do when 238 00:14:40,919 --> 00:14:43,440 I retire. Well, I'm going to keep doing the podcast 239 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:45,720 because I do this for the fun of doing it 240 00:14:46,039 --> 00:14:49,399 and how much I learned. But it's like, maybe I'll 241 00:14:49,440 --> 00:14:53,000 go start taking golf lessons and get serious about really 242 00:14:53,039 --> 00:14:58,000 trying to lower my index, because you know, sometimes my 243 00:14:58,120 --> 00:15:01,559 head is exploding with the amount of information that I get, 244 00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:07,440 and you know, with a conflicting instruction, I. 245 00:15:07,399 --> 00:15:09,960 Speaker 2: Think with that, and it sort of links to something 246 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:14,000 that I'm keen to say, Please, it wasn't in. It 247 00:15:14,039 --> 00:15:17,080 wasn't in, just where I said, there's nothing wrong with that. 248 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:21,080 There is nothing wrong with not taking lessons. It's you know, 249 00:15:22,639 --> 00:15:25,000 to a certain extent, you know, the secrets in the dirt. 250 00:15:26,159 --> 00:15:28,480 You know, the body doesn't really know if you're taking 251 00:15:28,559 --> 00:15:30,399 lessons or not. The ball doesn't know if you're taking 252 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:34,360 lessons or not. It's that why I would say, and 253 00:15:34,399 --> 00:15:38,000 I think this might be helpful to the listeners is 254 00:15:38,559 --> 00:15:41,799 and again it might sound like a cop out. The 255 00:15:41,799 --> 00:15:45,360 more I coach, the more I realize it's just you 256 00:15:45,559 --> 00:15:52,480 have to sort of personalize everything and the I think 257 00:15:52,639 --> 00:15:56,480 some of the issue with golf and I heard Kelvin 258 00:15:56,519 --> 00:15:59,080 talking the other day and he was talking about like 259 00:15:59,360 --> 00:16:05,639 the online and so on, which I'm not really that against. 260 00:16:06,759 --> 00:16:11,399 It's all generalized, and that's the issue. Any tip you 261 00:16:11,440 --> 00:16:14,159 any tip you read, any video you watch is by 262 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:20,360 definition generalized what you've done with it for it, like 263 00:16:20,559 --> 00:16:24,159 by not taking lessons, it's actually just personalizing that situation too. Okay, 264 00:16:24,159 --> 00:16:26,480 it's an extreme example because very few people are going 265 00:16:26,559 --> 00:16:30,519 to have, you know, nine hundred and seventy class podcast 266 00:16:30,639 --> 00:16:34,559 episodes and and and and have access to have access 267 00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:39,120 to some really good minds. I'm not including myself. 268 00:16:38,799 --> 00:16:40,720 Speaker 1: In that, but you are now included. 269 00:16:41,039 --> 00:16:46,440 Speaker 2: It's being but it's it's being able to personalize everything 270 00:16:46,480 --> 00:16:50,360 you do to you. And again it sounds like it 271 00:16:50,399 --> 00:16:56,840 sounds cliche and so on. There are very very few truths. 272 00:16:57,000 --> 00:16:59,360 There are very very few things that we really know 273 00:16:59,759 --> 00:17:02,519 in of and to a certain extent, like we said, 274 00:17:02,559 --> 00:17:06,039 for being able to pick a coach, it's about just 275 00:17:06,119 --> 00:17:09,559 trying things and experimenting with things and seeing what works 276 00:17:09,599 --> 00:17:13,279 for you, and speaking from a coach's perspective, it's the 277 00:17:13,359 --> 00:17:16,799 trick is really being able to personalize what's happening to 278 00:17:16,839 --> 00:17:19,960 the person in front rather than generalizing. Again, I know 279 00:17:20,039 --> 00:17:22,160 it is cliched, I know you've heard it all before. 280 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:26,319 Good that the more I coach, the more I believe. 281 00:17:26,039 --> 00:17:32,319 Speaker 1: That honestly incredible. Well, yes, the primary motivation of this 282 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:37,960 podcast was I need to learn a lot. How do 283 00:17:38,079 --> 00:17:40,640 I and the and the focus is like how do 284 00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:43,359 I become a better golfer? Oh, I'll just talk to 285 00:17:43,400 --> 00:17:45,519 golf instructors and put it up on the web. But 286 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:49,119 these are my conversations. I've been blessed with the fact 287 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:52,519 that a lot of people relate to these conversations and 288 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:59,480 listen and see themselves in my voice, and so that's 289 00:17:59,519 --> 00:18:02,839 been very But that's never been my focus of like 290 00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:05,640 how am I going to help all these people who 291 00:18:05,720 --> 00:18:09,319 are listening? It's how am I going to become better? 292 00:18:09,400 --> 00:18:14,759 And one of the things that I've really prided myself 293 00:18:14,799 --> 00:18:18,599 on is that I have found instructors that are not 294 00:18:18,759 --> 00:18:21,240 the most popular, that are not on TV, that don't 295 00:18:21,279 --> 00:18:25,160 have the biggest YouTube channels. Right as time has progressed 296 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:28,799 and YouTube has become a main factor here, so I 297 00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:34,799 like to talk about focusing on and showcasing the unsung 298 00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:37,440 heroes of golf instruction, like yourself. 299 00:18:39,839 --> 00:18:46,519 Speaker 2: Well again, maybe when teve myself. And that's the one 300 00:18:46,519 --> 00:18:49,839 thing I say with it is when it comes to 301 00:18:51,359 --> 00:18:54,880 coaching and golf improvement and so on. A couple of things. 302 00:18:55,519 --> 00:19:02,000 Why I really like this podcast is because it is 303 00:19:02,119 --> 00:19:05,400 open and you used it before. You use the term 304 00:19:05,519 --> 00:19:10,880 to the masses. Sometimes when we read different articles and 305 00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:14,920 watch different videos and someone, we have to be aware 306 00:19:15,799 --> 00:19:22,559 that that quote unquote content is maybe not geared towards 307 00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:27,799 the masses. A lot of the content now is geared 308 00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:33,480 towards really really top players who practice a lot, who 309 00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:37,799 are really impassioned to improve, and soon I think there's 310 00:19:37,839 --> 00:19:44,599 a massive drop in Okay, I use the word information 311 00:19:45,279 --> 00:19:50,319 for people who maybe don't fall into that category. I 312 00:19:50,319 --> 00:19:52,640 always say this, This is a I call it like 313 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:56,799 a ninety ten principle, where I say ninety of the 314 00:19:56,839 --> 00:20:01,839 golfing content is for the ten percent of people who 315 00:20:02,039 --> 00:20:04,519 either have a really low handicap or like I said, 316 00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:07,720 are out there every day practicing and song. It's not 317 00:20:07,839 --> 00:20:11,920 for the quote unquote average golfer who doesn't have the 318 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:14,160 time to do that and has a family and someone 319 00:20:14,279 --> 00:20:17,119 And maybe we'll jump in on the video here and 320 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:19,359 another there, but it'sn't really going to be clicking on 321 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:23,880 every sort of link. Again, like to tip my hat 322 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:28,640 to you. I think there's a massive, massive space there, 323 00:20:29,839 --> 00:20:33,279 and I think when people do watch things and read things, 324 00:20:33,319 --> 00:20:38,079 it's just remembering this might not be for me or 325 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:42,000 made specifically for me, and it's just being aware of 326 00:20:42,039 --> 00:20:42,759 that when we do. 327 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:52,920 Speaker 1: Okay, Anthony, please put your hat back on. No tipping 328 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:59,720 to me, because I've always felt very similarly that what 329 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:02,519 here in the States watching the Golf Channel. I don't 330 00:21:02,519 --> 00:21:04,440 know if you have an equivalent or you get that 331 00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:08,079 the Golf Channel was always directed at single digit, at 332 00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:13,039 low digit, handicapped golfers, and there was not an approach 333 00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:20,640 a voice for everybody who you know, can't practice once 334 00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:24,960 a week, hopefully can play once a week, have a 335 00:21:25,039 --> 00:21:28,119 passion for the sport, have a passion for its history, 336 00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:32,119 have a passion for everything that surrounds it. But you know, 337 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:36,519 as one player I played with years ago said to me, 338 00:21:36,559 --> 00:21:38,920 you know what I want for Christmas this year? What's that? 339 00:21:39,039 --> 00:21:41,319 He says? Two good shots in a row? I mean, 340 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:44,720 this is this is who we are. And I think 341 00:21:44,759 --> 00:21:48,880 that's ninety nine percent of golfers, you know, are are 342 00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:52,559 the ones who are struggling to get into the nineties 343 00:21:53,319 --> 00:21:59,000 or the eighties. But we're always compelled to try one 344 00:21:59,039 --> 00:22:01,680 more time, go out again, because golf will do that 345 00:22:01,799 --> 00:22:04,359 to you. You get one good, one good shot that 346 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:07,720 either sounds great or looks great, You're going I'm coming. 347 00:22:07,559 --> 00:22:12,079 Speaker 2: Back, absolutely and I think, yeah, I can't sort of 348 00:22:12,079 --> 00:22:15,359 pull it a study. But I used to ask a 349 00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:17,440 lot of my people, a lot of the people like coach, 350 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:23,920 would you rather shoot your handicap? Or yeah, would you 351 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:26,000 rather shoot your handicap? Would you rather shoot two or 352 00:22:26,039 --> 00:22:29,880 three over your handicap? But hit it really well, And 353 00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:35,960 undoubtedly the reply was hit it really well again using 354 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:40,160 the personalized thing. You just have to play golf the 355 00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:44,200 way you want to play golf. And let's say the 356 00:22:44,319 --> 00:22:47,880 use of statistics now and someone is absolutely great, is 357 00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:54,400 pushing the game forward. However, it is dividing golf into 358 00:22:54,559 --> 00:22:57,079 right and wrong. Okay, until you should be doing this 359 00:22:57,160 --> 00:23:00,319 and should be doing that. Okay, I'm in the land 360 00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:05,160 of biosteros. But if you're in the trees and you 361 00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:09,599 you know, you just enjoy hitting nice shots, you probably 362 00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:12,759 know the safe shot would be to punch out sideways. 363 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:17,960 But if for that one out of fifty time you're 364 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:22,039 able to punch it below the branches and then cutting 365 00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:24,279 the leather and so on, and it works its way 366 00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:27,119 up onto the green. It will be worth it. It 367 00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:29,720 will be one hundred percent worth it. And again, for 368 00:23:29,799 --> 00:23:34,039 a player, there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. We 369 00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:37,799 have to play golf the way we want to. And again, 370 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:41,279 I because I'm a coach, asked to coaches, I'd say 371 00:23:41,759 --> 00:23:47,880 actually promoting that, encouraging that in players, even if it 372 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:50,680 might not help the score depending on what the actual 373 00:23:50,759 --> 00:23:57,039 goal is. Again, yeah, there's nothing wrong with it. I 374 00:23:57,079 --> 00:24:02,200 always think, just last point, it's coaches will often feel 375 00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:08,240 compelled to think everyone wants to get their handicapped down. 376 00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:13,119 Everyone wants to They don't. They just don't. A lot 377 00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:16,240 of people just want to hit nice shots. And I 378 00:24:16,279 --> 00:24:21,880 think coaches will go off sometimes so okay, right, they 379 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:24,559 assume in eighteen handicapped, for instance, wants to get down 380 00:24:24,599 --> 00:24:27,720 to twelve or someone because that's what they would have done. Okay, 381 00:24:27,759 --> 00:24:30,319 you need to be out on the putting green doing 382 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:35,559 these drills and so on. Not interested, not interested, And 383 00:24:35,599 --> 00:24:38,759 there's nothing wrong with that. But again, it's actually actually 384 00:24:38,759 --> 00:24:41,880 for me encouraging that rather than resisting against it. 385 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:44,960 Speaker 1: Well, there's so many things that you said there that 386 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:48,720 I want to go talk about. You know, the risk 387 00:24:48,839 --> 00:24:52,079 reward element of a shot under the trees, hobbling around, 388 00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:55,079 blah blah blah blah. Right as you describe. 389 00:24:57,359 --> 00:24:57,400 Speaker 2: That. 390 00:24:58,119 --> 00:24:59,880 Speaker 1: You know, that's why we call the show golf smarter, 391 00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:04,160 right You, Yeah, you can see the flag, but you're 392 00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:06,039 not necessarily going to hit it, and you may end 393 00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:08,079 up with double or triple bogie where if you just 394 00:25:08,079 --> 00:25:10,240 go back out into the fairway, okay, you'll get a bogie. 395 00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:15,359 Let's walk away with that. So yeah, and the audience 396 00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:16,880 is going to you'll be able to hear the audience 397 00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:19,039 sing along with me on this. And one of our 398 00:25:19,039 --> 00:25:23,240 favorite lines is never follow a bad shot with a 399 00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:27,359 stupid shot, right, And. 400 00:25:27,319 --> 00:25:30,599 Speaker 2: I'd say with this, it's all dependent on what the 401 00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:38,839 objective is. If the objective is school place smater and this, 402 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:42,519 you wouldn't be able to say, all right, go for 403 00:25:42,559 --> 00:25:44,839 that shot if it's a one out of fifty, like 404 00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:48,920 I said, because there's nothing smart about there's nothing smart 405 00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:53,160 about that. But if the objective is actually yeah, if 406 00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:55,200 you're just playing with your friends and so on. 407 00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:56,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, but you want to you want to be you 408 00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:58,599 want to beat them. I mean, if you're playing with 409 00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:02,880 your friends, there's probably some competition and money being exchanged. 410 00:26:04,559 --> 00:26:07,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, it depends on the the your friends, I suppose. 411 00:26:07,799 --> 00:26:12,640 But again if the objective again, just if the objective 412 00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:16,759 is school, Yes, it's not always school. 413 00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:20,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what it's the next shot. It's always the 414 00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:23,640 next shot, which is, as we know, the hardest shot 415 00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:28,319 in golf is the next one right now. And the 416 00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:32,519 other party you talked about the handicap and that, you know, 417 00:26:33,559 --> 00:26:36,799 let's also remember it's like, do you want to play 418 00:26:36,799 --> 00:26:38,640 to your handicap or do you want to you know, 419 00:26:38,839 --> 00:26:43,359 just have some good shots. The handicap is an indication 420 00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:46,799 of your potential, not your average score. Right, That's why 421 00:26:46,839 --> 00:26:49,839 they take of your last twenty rounds, they take the 422 00:26:49,839 --> 00:26:53,480 best eight. Say, you know, you have potential of playing here. 423 00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:58,480 And as we recently learned from Joel Suggs that the 424 00:26:58,839 --> 00:27:01,519 p is what he called the PGA, the bell curve 425 00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:06,799 of your scoring, which is poor, good, an average, right, 426 00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:09,000 and the bell curve being the top being the average, 427 00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:12,759 and then you've got poor and and everybody has that, 428 00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:16,400 and it could range with a single digit player, it 429 00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:20,559 can range seven or eight strokes and for a you know, 430 00:27:20,559 --> 00:27:23,720 a twenty handicap, it can range fifteen strokes, but you know, 431 00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:29,559 but you've got that, So the handicap is I'm not 432 00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:33,000 a big fan of that. Playing to the potential it's like, 433 00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:35,039 you know, because then all of a sudden people are 434 00:27:35,039 --> 00:27:38,640 gambling on your potential. It's like, okay, what you're index? 435 00:27:38,839 --> 00:27:41,880 All right, that's what you owe me two strokes? Like 436 00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:45,839 wait a minute, this is your course. You play from 437 00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:48,759 teeth farther back than I do. Neil, are you listening 438 00:27:48,839 --> 00:27:52,400 right now? We're playing at your course, We're playing at 439 00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:54,880 t's that I don't usually play, and I have to 440 00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:58,119 give you two strokes three strokes? Come on, man, there's 441 00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:01,279 got to be some balance here, even players, and we 442 00:28:01,319 --> 00:28:04,680 both know it. Yeah, but the numbers say you gotta 443 00:28:04,799 --> 00:28:07,720 give me three. Give me a break, man. 444 00:28:10,839 --> 00:28:13,400 Speaker 2: Do you know how that? Because that actually do you 445 00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:15,039 know how I used to work? I can only speak 446 00:28:15,039 --> 00:28:17,680 for the UK, but before the changes in handicap how 447 00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:21,319 it used to work. Over that it was literally it 448 00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:23,799 wasn't the eight, it wasn't the eight best, it was 449 00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:28,440 just the average. So anytime, so anytime you played in 450 00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:31,119 the competition, in Again, I can only speak for the UK. 451 00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:33,519 I don't know if it was the same in other 452 00:28:33,519 --> 00:28:37,000 places in Europe. You just you had your handicap, and 453 00:28:37,039 --> 00:28:39,519 if you played poorly, your handicap went up, and if 454 00:28:39,519 --> 00:28:42,680 you played well, your handicap went down point one, point 455 00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:45,160 two or whatever. And there always used to be a 456 00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:48,960 thing of oka, oh, the American systems. So I'm glad that. 457 00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:52,319 I'm glad You're not the only one. You're You're an 458 00:28:52,359 --> 00:28:53,799 honorary brit Thank you. 459 00:28:54,319 --> 00:28:56,960 Speaker 1: Someday I'll make it there. I always wanted to go, 460 00:28:57,079 --> 00:29:00,160 and hopefully I got a big birthday coming up up 461 00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:03,440 next summer, i'd like to make it. I might like 462 00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:05,240 to make it over the UK to get some golf 463 00:29:05,319 --> 00:29:10,480 in for that. Yeah right, we'll talk about that later. 464 00:29:12,319 --> 00:29:16,720 Let's talk about instruction and personalizing. You talked about personalized 465 00:29:16,799 --> 00:29:22,359 versus generalize. Let's get deeper into that of how how 466 00:29:23,119 --> 00:29:25,480 how you personalize for a golfer? And I don't like 467 00:29:25,519 --> 00:29:28,000 asking two questions, but I'll go ahead and do that. 468 00:29:28,119 --> 00:29:30,240 And how long does it take for you to be 469 00:29:30,359 --> 00:29:33,759 able to personalize your instruction for a student? 470 00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:38,160 Speaker 2: It doesn't take long. It just depends on how you 471 00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:42,160 see it. The thing I say, and yeah, I think 472 00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:46,480 this would be almost like a takeaway for anyone listening, 473 00:29:46,519 --> 00:29:48,440 and at least this is this is the way I 474 00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:53,200 see it. Try to work as much in what you 475 00:29:54,079 --> 00:29:58,960 know rather than in a realm that you know will work, 476 00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:04,640 rather than hope will work. So when it comes to gold, 477 00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:10,279 there are actually very few things that we know help everyone, 478 00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:17,720 and particularly with the swing thread, there's very very there 479 00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:20,960 are very very few things that everyone does that you 480 00:30:21,039 --> 00:30:23,519 can look on and the PGA tour and say, okay, 481 00:30:23,759 --> 00:30:29,440 everyone does it that way. So with that, and if 482 00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:32,359 I could just go go into detail with that, we 483 00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:36,519 know basically we know impact and we know bull flight, 484 00:30:37,119 --> 00:30:41,559 So everyone who is good will hit the ball first 485 00:30:41,559 --> 00:30:44,000 then grass. And you're talking the other week about low point, 486 00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:48,440 that's what we know. Everyone will hit the middle of 487 00:30:48,519 --> 00:30:50,559 the face or around the middle of the face. It 488 00:30:50,599 --> 00:30:54,240 doesn't lean towards drastically off the toe and drastically off 489 00:30:54,279 --> 00:30:57,319 the hill, and everyone will have the club face that's 490 00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:03,359 functionally straight. If if anyone's listened to Adam Young, those 491 00:31:03,359 --> 00:31:06,960 are three principles that he really that he really goes by, 492 00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:13,160 and I completely completely agree. So once you have that, 493 00:31:13,519 --> 00:31:15,759 then you can branch off into. And there are other 494 00:31:15,799 --> 00:31:18,759 things that we know. There are certain movements, for instance, 495 00:31:18,799 --> 00:31:23,559 that we know that we know basically everyone does. Is 496 00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:31,039 then actually again to a certain extent, experimenting different bids 497 00:31:31,279 --> 00:31:33,759 and seeing what works for you. And again, I'm not 498 00:31:33,799 --> 00:31:38,000 always the biggest thing, the biggest proponent of right and wrong, 499 00:31:38,279 --> 00:31:42,440 good and bad. It's actually, to a certain extent, trying stuff, 500 00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:46,000 and the coach can do this or a coach can 501 00:31:46,039 --> 00:31:50,559 help with that in various ways and seeing what works 502 00:31:50,559 --> 00:31:55,079 for you. The question that we that always sort of 503 00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:58,000 is in the back of our heads or is yeah, 504 00:31:58,039 --> 00:32:00,960 but could it be better? Could be better? And that's 505 00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:03,839 where you might have to show a little bit of 506 00:32:03,839 --> 00:32:07,960 a restraint of not actually just trying everything. The fact 507 00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:11,400 of the matter is, we don't know a hell of 508 00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:14,880 a lot. This is really positive, isn't it. We don't. 509 00:32:15,359 --> 00:32:18,359 We don't know a hell of a lot. And a 510 00:32:18,359 --> 00:32:24,279 lot of coaches will point at Furic, for instance, and say, well, 511 00:32:24,359 --> 00:32:29,160 imagine if his dad had changed his swing, well, we'd 512 00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:31,599 never have heard of him. Well, to be fair, we 513 00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:35,440 don't know that either. If some changes went into Furic 514 00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:39,160 when he was younger to make him quote unquote more conventional. 515 00:32:39,599 --> 00:32:41,559 He might have been a better player for all we know. 516 00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:46,599 So for me, it's working in a realm that you 517 00:32:46,799 --> 00:32:49,839 know will work and try to spend as much time 518 00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:54,319 in that realm as possible. Then it's seeing your patent, 519 00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:58,200 seeing how you want to play, and then personalizing around 520 00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:02,960 them all excuse me, personalizing a round those rather than hey, 521 00:33:03,119 --> 00:33:06,759 you know the cliche, the typical one sized fiscle trying 522 00:33:06,799 --> 00:33:11,759 to feel fit a model. Yeah, it's that's not ideal 523 00:33:11,799 --> 00:33:13,839 when that happens. 524 00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:23,920 Speaker 1: First, I have to thank you for mentioning previous episodes 525 00:33:24,359 --> 00:33:28,000 that you've heard. So are you Are you a listener? Really? 526 00:33:29,839 --> 00:33:32,319 Speaker 2: I am a listener, and I'm a self considered self 527 00:33:32,319 --> 00:33:35,759 confessed like golf nuts or golf improvement not and definitely 528 00:33:35,839 --> 00:33:36,920 a golf coaching nuts. 529 00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:39,839 Speaker 1: So that leads me to the question and I and 530 00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:44,039 I truly appreciate you listening, but listening as an instructor? 531 00:33:44,079 --> 00:33:47,200 Do you listen because of other instructors being on this 532 00:33:47,319 --> 00:33:54,000 podcast and that you find this as additional study for you? 533 00:33:54,880 --> 00:34:00,720 Speaker 2: Point blank? Yes? And I think you just got to 534 00:34:02,599 --> 00:34:04,920 You've got to keep your eyes open, in your ears 535 00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:06,960 to the ground, and you've got to be aware of 536 00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:08,639 what so and so are saying? And what so and 537 00:34:08,679 --> 00:34:11,440 so are saying? And again that's where the experimental bits 538 00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:12,880 come in. It's like, okay, a m I try that 539 00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:17,800 for a bit. It's not though it's being open to 540 00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:20,559 things but close to dogma. Is what I would say 541 00:34:21,199 --> 00:34:26,079 is to actually be really critical and really self critical. 542 00:34:26,119 --> 00:34:28,400 And I like to think for myself that I'm self critical. 543 00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:33,159 It's saying, okay, is this working? Does that work? Did 544 00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:38,599 that work? And when I listen to coaches and I yeah, 545 00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:43,719 I basically try to listen to everything. It's always almost 546 00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:45,920 with a critical eye, not a negative eye, but a 547 00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:48,039 critical eye of is this good or is this bad? 548 00:34:48,159 --> 00:34:49,440 A lot of it's good, a lot of it not 549 00:34:49,519 --> 00:34:51,880 so good. And then I just find my own find 550 00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:52,960 my own conclusion. 551 00:34:52,599 --> 00:34:56,119 Speaker 1: As do I that is that is what we're looking for. 552 00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:58,960 It's like there's a lot of information that we receive 553 00:34:59,039 --> 00:35:02,360 and that we get, but it is sure great to 554 00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:06,960 be able to figure out how to separate yourself from 555 00:35:07,079 --> 00:35:10,079 all of an if I hate to call it noise 556 00:35:10,159 --> 00:35:14,519 because I'm contributing to it, but but there's a lot 557 00:35:14,599 --> 00:35:18,159 out there, and you know, I will get an email 558 00:35:18,199 --> 00:35:21,639 from somebody saying that guy who who was on last 559 00:35:21,639 --> 00:35:26,000 week really didn't connect with me, you know, or they 560 00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:27,920 can say something a little more harsh than that, but 561 00:35:28,159 --> 00:35:31,679 the point is that it didn't connect. And I inevitably 562 00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:34,840 will write back and say wait till next week because 563 00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:36,079 you're gonna have a different voice. 564 00:35:36,199 --> 00:35:38,719 Speaker 2: Yeah, and then there'd be something else. And again, there's 565 00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:43,920 nothing wrong with it disconnecting. No, Yeah, it's just it's 566 00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:48,280 just that's not exactly right. It's just deciphering and again 567 00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:51,920 being critical of For me, it's if there are exceptions 568 00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:54,519 to the rule, is probably not the rule. So it's 569 00:35:54,519 --> 00:35:59,960 sticking with that. And then it's okay being aware of preferences. 570 00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:04,559 You might have certain preferences, but at the end of 571 00:36:04,639 --> 00:36:07,519 the day, they're just that. It's not holding onto them 572 00:36:07,519 --> 00:36:11,400 for their life. It's understanding their preferences and then working 573 00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:12,000 at your own Now. 574 00:36:12,039 --> 00:36:17,239 Speaker 1: Now your website is golf Coachinstitute dot com. You work, 575 00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:20,119 do you instruct instructors? 576 00:36:21,119 --> 00:36:24,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's that's basically what I do now. So 577 00:36:25,639 --> 00:36:28,519 I said that are left in March at my previous 578 00:36:28,599 --> 00:36:32,280 employment and I just go full time on this now. 579 00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:37,480 So at the moment, I'm mentoring other coaches around some 580 00:36:37,519 --> 00:36:39,679 of the topics that I that I talked about today 581 00:36:40,119 --> 00:36:41,679 and enjoying myself great. 582 00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:45,559 Speaker 1: I hope it's succeeding for you. I know that when 583 00:36:47,119 --> 00:36:50,960 recreational golfers call them amateur golfers if you'd like, but 584 00:36:51,119 --> 00:36:56,360 recreational golfers that come to an instructor, you know, and 585 00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:59,400 the instructor will ask the first couple basic questions, But 586 00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:03,920 the answer inevitably is, I want more consistency, I want 587 00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:10,800 greater distance. Probably the number one and number two requests 588 00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:15,320 that instructors get, and there's probably three and four there 589 00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:19,519 as well. But what is it when instructors come to you, 590 00:37:20,519 --> 00:37:23,880 what is number one, two, three, or four of the 591 00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:29,159 request that they have about, you know, from you as 592 00:37:29,199 --> 00:37:32,320 a mentor to them? What do they want to improve on? 593 00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:35,119 What do they want to know that will help them 594 00:37:35,159 --> 00:37:36,320 become a better instructor. 595 00:37:38,199 --> 00:37:41,639 Speaker 2: It's a really good question. I would say only one. 596 00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:48,760 What they're saying, or what they're saying they know isn't 597 00:37:49,079 --> 00:37:54,800 fully the case, isn't fully right. And I appreciate that 598 00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:57,960 more than anything because it shows to me that they're 599 00:37:58,159 --> 00:38:03,880 critical about what they're saying. You'll have and I don't 600 00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:08,119 want to be critical of coaches here sometimes if I 601 00:38:08,159 --> 00:38:10,559 can let everyone get to peek behind the curtain of 602 00:38:10,559 --> 00:38:13,559 the golf coach here, there's a bit of a power 603 00:38:13,599 --> 00:38:18,199 trip that happens with coaching where someone's hitting it poorly. 604 00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:23,800 I change something bomb they're hitting it, well, how good 605 00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:31,559 am I brilliant? But on the flip side, there are 606 00:38:31,639 --> 00:38:35,280 cases where you say something and they don't get it 607 00:38:35,599 --> 00:38:41,159 and it's not working. Okay, And again everything not everything, 608 00:38:41,199 --> 00:38:44,000 but a lot of the things we see online are 609 00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:47,079 edited and made it look like everything works every time. 610 00:38:47,079 --> 00:38:51,599 But just coaching is really hard and golf is really 611 00:38:51,639 --> 00:38:54,360 really a really really hard spot, so it's not going 612 00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:58,280 to be there every time. But with coaches sometimes as 613 00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:02,519 a sort of washing of their hands, the responsibility of ah, 614 00:39:02,599 --> 00:39:06,119 they just didn't get it or they just got to 615 00:39:06,159 --> 00:39:08,480 put in the time, where as I say, well, actually, 616 00:39:08,559 --> 00:39:12,719 maybe maybe you didn't get it. Yeah, maybe maybe the 617 00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:15,360 advice needs to be better, or how you can douct 618 00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:20,159 the session needs to be better. So really, I'm I'm 619 00:39:20,199 --> 00:39:23,239 positive when people come to me and say I just 620 00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:27,320 get the impression of what I'm saying isn't isn't really 621 00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:30,440 the answer, because it shows that there is a critical 622 00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:36,440 side and especially starting out younger coaches, it will be 623 00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:39,920 the case where it's it probably isn't the answer. Uh. 624 00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:42,360 And so a lot of people come and ask me 625 00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:46,119 for advice in that there there to a certain extent 626 00:39:46,159 --> 00:39:48,840 happy with what they're doing. Information wise, I think is okay, 627 00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:52,000 but the application and so on, it's just they know 628 00:39:52,599 --> 00:39:54,559 it's maybe not fully there. 629 00:39:54,639 --> 00:39:57,599 Speaker 1: It's that's just like golf to me, it's your your 630 00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:04,000 intention versus execution the teacher. You know. And you asked 631 00:40:04,039 --> 00:40:06,880 me about how many lessons I've had that also included 632 00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:10,559 a weekend golf school. Early and early in the podcast, 633 00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:14,320 there was a golf academy in Arizona that my wife 634 00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:17,840 and I went to. My wife was like brand new 635 00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:22,239 to golf. She still is. She's not listening. I can 636 00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:25,239 say this. She says, yeah, I played cold. It's like, no, 637 00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:25,679 you don't. 638 00:40:27,079 --> 00:40:28,119 Speaker 2: She's a really good plan. 639 00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:33,320 Speaker 1: About six years ago. You can't. And she goes, let's 640 00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:35,360 go on playing. I'm like, I don't want to do that. 641 00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:39,280 It's not going to be fun for me. But we 642 00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:41,760 went to this golf school and there was an instructor 643 00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:46,719 that I was working with at this school. To remain nameless, 644 00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:51,719 mainly because I forgot her name, but she was saying, Okay, 645 00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:54,400 just do this, and I'm like, I don't understand what 646 00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:57,559 that means, because we'll just do that. I'm like, do what. 647 00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:00,599 She goes what I what I'm telling you to do what? 648 00:41:00,639 --> 00:41:03,159 I'm sure it's like, I don't understand that though I 649 00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:08,519 don't understand how to execute that. How can you reframe it? 650 00:41:08,559 --> 00:41:11,519 Can you restate it so I might be able to 651 00:41:11,559 --> 00:41:15,119 comprehend what you're saying. And it just came back the 652 00:41:15,159 --> 00:41:19,920 same way. So intention versus execution from a coach as 653 00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:24,000 well as the amateur golfer. You know, our intent. Our 654 00:41:24,039 --> 00:41:26,920 intent is so important here on every shot. 655 00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:33,280 Speaker 2: I mentioned earlier. And that's the thing I mentioned earlier 656 00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:37,880 about it being a relationship, and for a relationship there 657 00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:40,880 has to be equal amounts of input and equal amounts 658 00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:46,000 of responsibility on both sides. So if the player is saying, God, 659 00:41:46,079 --> 00:41:50,440 that coach was terrible all the time when they haven't 660 00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:53,440 maybe actually practiced what the coach was saying and so on, 661 00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:56,239 that's not great. But at the same time, a coach 662 00:41:56,280 --> 00:42:00,000 saying they just didn't get it, they're not that good, 663 00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:03,920 that's not great either. And it's a really important point 664 00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:08,280 for it. It's a cliched one, but really sort of 665 00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:12,239 top coaches, we'll be able to say things that resonate, 666 00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:16,039 and we'll be able to demonstrate and resonate and leave 667 00:42:16,079 --> 00:42:18,719 a mark on the player. It's one of those things 668 00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:20,760 that all things get said, Okay, I didn't understand, and 669 00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:23,039 then they said it a different way than I did understand. 670 00:42:23,599 --> 00:42:30,320 It's absolutely it's absolutely right, and the really really top 671 00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:34,039 coaches will be able to transcend what you even thought 672 00:42:34,039 --> 00:42:37,519 about happening in the golf lesson not just through not 673 00:42:37,679 --> 00:42:40,039 just through the result and the success you have in 674 00:42:40,079 --> 00:42:43,679 that golf session, but also the relationship that you have 675 00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:46,320 with them and the sport in the sports in general. 676 00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:51,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, so we talked about your website is golf Coachinstitute 677 00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:55,639 dot com. Do you work with recreational amateur players or 678 00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:58,519 is it you primarily focused on working with instructors. 679 00:43:00,119 --> 00:43:03,639 Speaker 2: It's just instructors at the moment, but there's a you know, 680 00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:07,519 when I when I was playing a bit, I would 681 00:43:07,519 --> 00:43:11,079 still just look at all the instructors work on Golf 682 00:43:11,119 --> 00:43:14,119 Digest and so on. So there's still a hell of 683 00:43:14,159 --> 00:43:16,559 a lot of a hell of a lot of good 684 00:43:16,559 --> 00:43:19,760 stuff for players and also, and I suppose there was 685 00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:22,960 almost the topic of the conversation today or right, things 686 00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:25,239 that you can just keep an eye out in your 687 00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:28,920 own work with with your coach or if you are 688 00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:31,039 looking for a coach. There's a few there's a few 689 00:43:31,119 --> 00:43:32,159 useful points in there. 690 00:43:32,159 --> 00:43:36,599 Speaker 1: Feel well, Anthony, I truly appreciate your support of listening 691 00:43:36,679 --> 00:43:40,199 to the podcast and reaching out to have this conversation 692 00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:43,599 because I found it absolutely fascinating and I've learned a lot, 693 00:43:43,679 --> 00:43:45,360 So thank you so much for coming on to the 694 00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:46,440 Golf Smarter podcast. 695 00:43:47,079 --> 00:43:49,280 Speaker 2: Thanks Ritt. Honestly, if you do a head of a 696 00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:51,840 lot of good stuff. So yeah, I was really really 697 00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:52,480 happy to join