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<v Speaker 1>Boston's new radio AERL. Thank you, thank you very much.

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<v Speaker 1>And you heard this gentleman about three or four minutes

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<v Speaker 1>ago telling you about a compromised vehicle. I love it

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<v Speaker 1>when he says that he has a job over at

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<v Speaker 1>traffic telling you about the highways and the byways if

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<v Speaker 1>they've been compromised. And during the day he drives a

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<v Speaker 1>tour bus through Boston and he lets people know that

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<v Speaker 1>over there, that's where this happened. Way over there, that's

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<v Speaker 1>where that happened. And he will take tips. I know

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<v Speaker 1>that was mentioned in the President's big beautiful Bill about tipping.

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<v Speaker 1>Jack will take tips.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right.

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<v Speaker 3>To have a basket out right now while I'm on

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<v Speaker 3>the radio right here, set them along.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, you know who would love to come by

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<v Speaker 1>and leave it. But I'm not going to say a word.

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<v Speaker 1>I am going to officially introduce Jack Hart. Whenever I

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<v Speaker 1>have a holiday around a broadcast, I try to bring

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<v Speaker 1>Jack on to add some historical flavor to the commentary.

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<v Speaker 1>And tonight it's no different because we should have celebrated

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<v Speaker 1>this day either two days ago or two weeks from now.

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<v Speaker 1>And Jack, if you want to explain what I just

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<v Speaker 1>said and why that is the case about either the

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<v Speaker 1>second of July or a couple of weeks from now.

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<v Speaker 1>To the people who are not up on their history.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, yeah, the fourth of July being into oh hello,

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<v Speaker 3>by the way, it's jack hi. The fourth of July

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<v Speaker 3>being the fourth of July. You know, it's a little

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<v Speaker 3>bit on the r but prairie side, you know. The

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<v Speaker 3>they they they finished the the Committee of five there

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<v Speaker 3>finished writing the Declaration of Independence on uh really the

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<v Speaker 3>the like the thirtieth of June, the first, and then

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<v Speaker 3>it went through a couple of days of editing and things,

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<v Speaker 3>and it was trying to sort of finished on the second,

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<v Speaker 3>and everybody agreed on it on the second. And but

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<v Speaker 3>but I guess every you know it it in those days,

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<v Speaker 3>people were moving around on very slow vehicles, and there

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<v Speaker 3>were there were no cell phones.

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<v Speaker 2>There was you know, there were no.

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<v Speaker 1>They didn't even have fax machines. I don't even have facts.

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<v Speaker 1>Can you imagine that? You know?

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<v Speaker 3>So the uh and you know, and broadcasting was standing

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<v Speaker 3>on a roof and yelling, you know they and uh

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<v Speaker 3>so so you know so it so it was it's

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<v Speaker 3>the whole thing. Everybody agreed on the thing. Actually on

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<v Speaker 3>July second. And in the reality of life, it's it's

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<v Speaker 3>really even into September that all the signatures were were achieved.

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<v Speaker 3>But everybody agree, everybody agreed on it. Within the everybody

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<v Speaker 3>was pretty much in accordance with it, all fifty six

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<v Speaker 3>signers within within the within the couple.

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<v Speaker 2>Of weeks time. But you know, we pick a day.

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<v Speaker 3>It's just like we talk about evacuation Day that on

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<v Speaker 3>March seventeenth, the British, you know, left Boston. They left

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<v Speaker 3>Boston over the course of a week or so. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, it too that long to move that many bodies.

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<v Speaker 3>It did take that long to move that many bodies.

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<v Speaker 3>And you know, so inas much as the fourth of

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<v Speaker 3>July being the fourth of July, it's it's like pick

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<v Speaker 3>a day, you know, it's you know, and so that's

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<v Speaker 3>what we did. We picked July fourth, and it sounds nicer,

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<v Speaker 3>I think, and on July fourth sounds nicer than July second,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, happy July second, not as fun, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>I agree, July fourth it's one syllable, July fourth, it's

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<v Speaker 3>three syllables a July fourth. It's you know, and it's

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<v Speaker 3>fourth is forward motion. Fourth is forward motion. So I

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<v Speaker 3>think it all worked out for the best. May the

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<v Speaker 3>fourth be with you. That's been there, I say it

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<v Speaker 3>butchered since the Star Wars movie, exactly right, exactly right,

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<v Speaker 3>so the uh so you know, at any rate, So

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<v Speaker 3>that's why it's July fourth, and uh you know, let's

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<v Speaker 3>you know, people talk about Christmas. If you know, if there,

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<v Speaker 3>if there was actually an historical event that can actually

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<v Speaker 3>be called Christmas, it was probably in August. But you know,

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<v Speaker 3>sometimes it just works out better if you move things

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<v Speaker 3>around a little.

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<v Speaker 1>It's who does your pr That's exactly right.

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<v Speaker 3>And you know they were doing as much pr and

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<v Speaker 3>and and and story spinning, uh and so forth as

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<v Speaker 3>as even modern day people. That was kind of Sam

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<v Speaker 3>Adams's whole job was was sort of spinning, spinning a

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<v Speaker 3>situation into something different.

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>And I've got a question since you brought it up.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's off topic, right. No one has ever answered

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<v Speaker 1>this question to my satisfaction. Why the heck is part

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<v Speaker 1>of his face on a Sam Adams label?

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<v Speaker 3>The the the picture of Sam Adams on that label

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<v Speaker 3>is a composite.

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<v Speaker 2>I think of several people.

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<v Speaker 1>It looks like Paul.

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<v Speaker 3>It looks a little bit like Paul Revere, but not

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<v Speaker 3>exactly like Paul Revere, you know. I mean, there's the picture,

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<v Speaker 3>the most famous picture of Paul Revere is the one

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<v Speaker 3>where he's holding the sort of pewter mugg and he

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<v Speaker 3>looks a little bit like Bob Hope, you know, the

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<v Speaker 3>and so that's you know. But but Sam Adams is

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<v Speaker 3>a is a composite and because Sam himself sam himself,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, there's there's the statue of Samuel Adams in

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<v Speaker 3>front of Fanuel Hall and and it has him as

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<v Speaker 3>this sort of tall, robust, you know figure. And so

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<v Speaker 3>he was. He was a brilliant man, but he was

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<v Speaker 3>completely in his head. And he was belonged to a

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<v Speaker 3>sort of a uh a neo Puritanical group that was

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<v Speaker 3>not as exclusionary as the earlier Puritans. But he was

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<v Speaker 3>strictly by the Bible, had no decoration, it was not

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<v Speaker 3>appearance was not important to him. So he was kind

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<v Speaker 3>of short and stout and messy with kind of a

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<v Speaker 3>big red face.

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<v Speaker 1>He really was. He really was.

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<v Speaker 3>When they were going down to the Continental Congress, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>the second Continental Congress, to put all this together, uh,

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<v Speaker 3>he and he and John Hancock were going down together.

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<v Speaker 3>They were very good friends. And but but they were

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<v Speaker 3>going to ride down in John's cat, which would have

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<v Speaker 3>been very nice, and.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh, and but.

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<v Speaker 3>John kind of took a look at Sam one day,

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<v Speaker 3>and and and then Sam gets a knock at the

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<v Speaker 3>door a couple of days later, and a guy comes

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<v Speaker 3>in starts measuring the dickens out of his body, and

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<v Speaker 3>somebody else comes and starts measuring his head. Somebody else

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<v Speaker 3>comes and starts measuring his feet, And a couple of

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<v Speaker 3>days later, a steamer trunk shows up with a whole

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<v Speaker 3>with several suits of clothing for Sam, because John didn't

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<v Speaker 3>want to be.

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<v Speaker 2>Seen in public with him the way that he otherwise dressed.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I've got we're focusing on the fourth of July,

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<v Speaker 1>and I know it's a little late, but there's still

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<v Speaker 1>two hours, well an hour and forty eight minutes left

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<v Speaker 1>to call it today, the fourth of July. And this

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<v Speaker 1>story I know you know, and I'm setting you up

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<v Speaker 1>you are, so you can like I did earlier talking

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<v Speaker 1>about the second of July, I know you know the story,

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<v Speaker 1>and I want you to share this story with the

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<v Speaker 1>Besy night Side listeners. Now. Granted, I'm about to take

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<v Speaker 1>a break. So I'm going to give you the break

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<v Speaker 1>to compose yourself and tell the story about the two

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<v Speaker 1>presidents who both died, if I'm not mistaken. July fourth,

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen twenty six six. Yeah, I think you know the

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<v Speaker 1>two presidents I'm speaking about. And one of them said

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<v Speaker 1>they each knew the other was sick. I had ridden sick,

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<v Speaker 1>and one that is so and so still alive because

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<v Speaker 1>he wanted to outlive him. And that's the way these

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<v Speaker 1>two were.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, well it was it was something similar to that,

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<v Speaker 3>and I will tell the exact quote.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, well we will come back. We will wait till

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<v Speaker 1>we come back. If you want to call in six one, seven, two, five, four, ten, thirty, eight, eight,

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<v Speaker 1>eight nine to nineteen thirty and Jack, we already have

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<v Speaker 1>a caller on hold. Fantastic, But I want to do

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<v Speaker 1>this story before I kind of wandered, and anyone who

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<v Speaker 1>wants to join one call run hold. Do so. Time

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<v Speaker 1>and temperature ten point fifteen seventy two degrees.

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<v Speaker 3>You're on Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ Boston's

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<v Speaker 3>news radio.

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<v Speaker 1>Morgan here, I'm filling in for Dan. Dan. We'll be

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<v Speaker 1>back on the fourteenth of July next week. Bradley. Bradley,

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<v Speaker 1>Jay will be here Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday. I'll be here Thursday, Friday,

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<v Speaker 1>and the following Monday, the fourteenth of July. Halfway through

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<v Speaker 1>the month, Dan, we'll be back. Now. My guests between

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<v Speaker 1>now and midnight will be Jack Hart Hi with an

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<v Speaker 1>E at the end of his name, and Jack tell

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<v Speaker 1>the story that we teased about, and then we'll take

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<v Speaker 1>phone calls. The uh.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, you talked about two presidents dying on the same day,

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<v Speaker 3>the fiftieth anniversary of the Declaration of Independence, and it

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<v Speaker 3>was John Adams and Thomas Jefferson. They had been you know,

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<v Speaker 3>they had an interesting relationship over the course of time.

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<v Speaker 3>They were they were very close friends in the days

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<v Speaker 3>leading up to the declaration of Independence and kind of

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<v Speaker 3>became rivals, and that became rivals once they became presidents.

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<v Speaker 3>By the time they the election of eighteen hundred, they

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<v Speaker 3>had been well. They differed in philosophy as to whether

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<v Speaker 3>John Adams was very much for centralized government. He wanted

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<v Speaker 3>a big sort of federal government, whereas Jefferson was more

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<v Speaker 3>between them. But also I think they had a little

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<v Speaker 3>bit of, you know, some ego stuff going on. Jefferson

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<v Speaker 3>younger than Adams, but they had, you know, they had

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<v Speaker 3>a basic rivalry in general. But then after they had

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<v Speaker 3>they were both in their well by the time Jefferson

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<v Speaker 3>his mid seventies or so, they finally made up again degree,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, and I think they kept up a correspondence,

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<v Speaker 3>but both were sick at the same time.

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<v Speaker 2>They both knew each other was sick.

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<v Speaker 3>And what it was was that and Jefferson had actually

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<v Speaker 3>died earlier in the day and and his was his

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<v Speaker 3>last words were, no doctor, I think that will be enough,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, or you know, however he would have tone.

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<v Speaker 3>So but of course there was no way to get

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<v Speaker 3>word to John Adams by you know, quickly enough. So

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<v Speaker 3>several hours later, and so Jefferson was about eighty three

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<v Speaker 3>and Adams was just about ninety, I think, and he

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<v Speaker 3>What he said was Jefferson lives and thinking that his

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<v Speaker 3>you know, sort of frenem me as he's been they've

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<v Speaker 3>also been got a good word, were thinking that he

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<v Speaker 3>would still at least carry on the memory of that time.

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<v Speaker 3>There was some of the last of that era you know,

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<v Speaker 3>of course by that time. So yeah, those are the

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<v Speaker 3>two who Now, those are the two who they did

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<v Speaker 3>die on the same day. And it's you know, not

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<v Speaker 3>oftentimes there would be a spike in deaths after, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>You know, Well now that we've I told people you're

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<v Speaker 1>historical references that go through the July fourth holiday. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we here in America celebrate let me take the call.

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<v Speaker 1>Who was the first to call from Groveland, Florence Lawrence,

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<v Speaker 1>Hello Florence.

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<v Speaker 4>Hello Florence, good evening, Happy fourth Morgan and Nancy, thank

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<v Speaker 2>For jacky fourth of July to Florence.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah. And since you're talking about history, I think I

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and Dan had somebody call in that wanted to

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<v Speaker 4>me know and he believed it might have been someone related. Okay, okay,

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<v Speaker 3>I think that's entirely I think that's entirely possible. I

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<v Speaker 3>I have not checked out too deeply. One of my brothers,

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, because it's fabulous when you go checking and you're

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<v Speaker 4>astonished by what you find out, it's amazing, just amazing, imagine. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>So yeah, it's you know, it's it's and it's all

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, it's a true fact. Absolutely did yell, They're

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<v Speaker 3>It all comes down to you and it all Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>that's these these where we all came from somewhere and

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<v Speaker 3>were all real people, whether they were fascinating people, whether

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<v Speaker 1>Right now, Florence than Florence. I hate to do it,

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<v Speaker 1>but I've got a quick news hit to take, so

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<v Speaker 1>I have to wave goodbye.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, yes, I know.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you for being the first call. I was a

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<v Speaker 1>pleasure Forlorence.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, and thank you for letting me know that Jack

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you, no, no problem. Right now you're getting and

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<v Speaker 1>when we come back, Jack, I'm going to tell you

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit about my grandfather because he had an

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<v Speaker 1>and I'll tell you about that after these messages and

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<v Speaker 1>news Here on Nightside time and temperature ten thirty it's

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<v Speaker 1>going down sixty nine degrees. It's night Side with Dan

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<v Speaker 1>Ray on Boston's news radio. I stepped on his line.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back. Jack cart and I are just reminiscing about

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<v Speaker 1>Fourth of July stories and if you missed us talking

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<v Speaker 1>about presidents who died on the same day, look it up.

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<v Speaker 1>July fourth, eighteen twenty six might surprise you if you

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<v Speaker 1>hadn't already heard the story. But now you and I

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<v Speaker 1>Jack are going to San Francisco and speak to David. David,

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<v Speaker 1>Happy fourth of July.

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<v Speaker 5>Right, Thank you, Morgan, send to you and send to

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<v Speaker 5>all your listeners as total Americans. And before I go,

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<v Speaker 5>I got a question for you, anyhow. First I want

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<v Speaker 5>to say hello to Morgan White Junior, and Jack Hart

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<v Speaker 5>Ohio and Glenn and uh right, and anyhow, what I

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<v Speaker 5>do I want to say was, uh, you know Abigail

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<v Speaker 5>uh he was our first John was our first vice

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<v Speaker 5>president and our second president. That made Abagail Adams our

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<v Speaker 5>first second lady and our second first lady.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think anyone ever thought of that.

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<v Speaker 5>throw it at the adjective the third in Okay, Okay, John,

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<v Speaker 5>John and I have a Yeah, we're third cousins.

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<v Speaker 1>I have heard that.

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<v Speaker 5>I have read that. Well, that's part of history. And

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<v Speaker 5>and then this is such a great show. And Morgan,

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<v Speaker 5>next week you have an author to Tonuda. Yes, yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>she's she was one of my favorites.

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<v Speaker 1>That's tomorrow, not next week, that's tomorrow, tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 5>Excuse me. Yeah, she was one of my favorites, and

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<v Speaker 5>couple of years. But she was just a great comedian

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<v Speaker 5>and I like the way she put men in her place.

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<v Speaker 1>So I was, uh, should be that's going to be

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<v Speaker 1>the first hour tomorrow, Judy Juda Okay, no, no, not Judy,

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<v Speaker 1>will be at nine o'clock and tomorrow is my last

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I know, on the twelfth.

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<v Speaker 1>And until further notice, I'll start at ten and end

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<v Speaker 5>Sony, I'm more than you want that question.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's hear it.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, you saw the first Godfather movie, right, Okay? Remember

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<v Speaker 5>the very first scene in the movie where the Godfather

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<v Speaker 5>was playing with a kitty cat? Yes, what was the

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<v Speaker 1>Brando?

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<v Speaker 5>Exactly, very good man.

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<v Speaker 1>I mentioned that last night when I was on with Joyce.

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<v Speaker 5>and talk with Bradley Jay on Monday.

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<v Speaker 1>Well you have a good time. He's he's back in

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<v Speaker 1>the fold.

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<v Speaker 5>Yes. Uh. His guest is.

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<v Speaker 1>Peter, oh, Peter, yeah, yes, yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>What was He was an amazing performer. He's all over

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<v Speaker 5>the stage. And somebody did a study on him how

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<v Speaker 5>much he traveled on stage and they said, as it's

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<v Speaker 5>like twenty five miles on one show. Yeah, well, I

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<v Speaker 5>don't know how they figure that out.

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<v Speaker 1>But I don't know, I don't know if that's accurate.

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<v Speaker 1>It might have been twenty five miles a month, or

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<v Speaker 1>I can't.

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<v Speaker 5>See it was twenty five miles a show. Yeah, he

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<v Speaker 5>was all over the place all the time.

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<v Speaker 1>I reserve agreeing with that.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, okay, I want to ask you, yeah, because that's

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<v Speaker 5>like a that's like a marathon. Yes, it is twenty

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<v Speaker 5>six point two, right.

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<v Speaker 1>But well, you know a mile is five hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>eighty feet. Yeah, you multiply that times twenty five. That's

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of in one one two hour show. That's

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of moving around.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah. Do you know that he was married to Say

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<v Speaker 5>don't know why?

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<v Speaker 5>Yep, they separated in nineteen seventy nine. I mean, thank

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<v Speaker 5>you so much for taking my call on you too, Jack,

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<v Speaker 5>very well. I just wanted to throw in maya two

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<v Speaker 5>cents worth for the holiday.

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<v Speaker 1>You're very welcome. David.

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<v Speaker 5>I'll probably call you tomorrow light.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and tomorrow is a different show, so you're allowed

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, sure enough. Okay, buddy, God bless shaw.

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<v Speaker 1>God bless you too, David.

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<v Speaker 5>Bye bye, Thank you boy.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, anyone else you want to share some history

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<v Speaker 1>you know about the fourth of July in any way,

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<v Speaker 1>shape or form, give us a call six one, seven, two, five, four,

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<v Speaker 3>Let's see, tidbits just went out of my head there

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they were big items. I think they lived over

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<v Speaker 1>in you know, the Potential Center. It's big tall building,

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<v Speaker 1>the Prudential Building. There are a couple of apartment complexes

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<v Speaker 1>And every now and then you'd see a photo of

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<v Speaker 1>another July fourth story, speaking of the potential. A lot

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<v Speaker 1>of people used to go before after feed we passed on.

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<v Speaker 1>But they had to stop it because too many people

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<v Speaker 1>no pun intended over that happening?

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<v Speaker 3>I do, I do the and it was it was

427
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<v Speaker 3>just I do. It was, But then all things kind

428
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<v Speaker 3>of change. I think it was in nineteen seventy six,

429
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<v Speaker 3>I think it was, and that's when Ugar kind of

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<v Speaker 3>took over. Yes, the production I had some and you know,

431
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<v Speaker 3>someone I was just communicating with somebody who was up

432
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<v Speaker 3>on the Prudential Tower in those days as well, and

433
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<v Speaker 3>you know, and talked about that because that's where we

434
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<v Speaker 3>used to do traffic reports.

435
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<v Speaker 1>Frump there right.

436
00:27:01.160 --> 00:27:05.160
<v Speaker 3>But back in the nineteen eighties I worked at City Hall.

437
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<v Speaker 3>I worked in one of the Mayor's offices, and there

438
00:27:08.319 --> 00:27:11.599
<v Speaker 3>was a there were two fireworks in nineteen two sets

439
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<v Speaker 3>of fireworks in nineteen eighty three. One was the typical

440
00:27:14.319 --> 00:27:19.480
<v Speaker 3>one of the fourth over the over the Charles River,

441
00:27:19.720 --> 00:27:22.160
<v Speaker 3>but the other one was on the second over Boston Harbor,

442
00:27:22.599 --> 00:27:25.559
<v Speaker 3>and there was a there was a photographer coming in

443
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<v Speaker 3>to do some tourism photographs, photography and so the and

444
00:27:32.039 --> 00:27:34.400
<v Speaker 3>I was a driver in one of the mayor's one

445
00:27:34.400 --> 00:27:37.880
<v Speaker 3>of the mayor's offices, but they needed a security person

446
00:27:37.960 --> 00:27:41.359
<v Speaker 3>up there. So somebody in the communications office knew that

447
00:27:41.400 --> 00:27:44.839
<v Speaker 3>I liked photography and arranged it so I could be

448
00:27:44.920 --> 00:27:49.039
<v Speaker 3>the security person up there. And this photographer taught me

449
00:27:49.079 --> 00:27:53.519
<v Speaker 3>a few things about photographing fireworks. So on the second

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00:27:53.559 --> 00:27:55.799
<v Speaker 3>of July I was up on the roof of City

451
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<v Speaker 3>Hall with a Myke camera clamped to a lightning lot

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<v Speaker 3>of all things well, I got not only great pictures

453
00:28:05.759 --> 00:28:11.119
<v Speaker 3>of the fireworks, but looking back many years later, I've

454
00:28:11.119 --> 00:28:14.960
<v Speaker 3>also got great pictures of the Central Artery and the

455
00:28:15.000 --> 00:28:17.359
<v Speaker 3>old North Church and a number of other things Boston

456
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<v Speaker 3>and nineteen eighty three from the roof of City Hall

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<v Speaker 3>and kind of a fascinating group of photographs.

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<v Speaker 1>And in a similar story, there were a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>years and I forget how I heard about it, but

460
00:28:31.599 --> 00:28:34.359
<v Speaker 1>I went over to the Museum of Science and they normally,

461
00:28:34.440 --> 00:28:39.599
<v Speaker 1>you know, they're hours and around seven thirty eight o'clock. Yep,

462
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<v Speaker 1>So the parking lot wasn't crowded. And the two years

463
00:28:44.680 --> 00:28:53.400
<v Speaker 1>I went up there, perfect view, perfect circumstance. But then

464
00:28:53.519 --> 00:28:57.039
<v Speaker 1>all of a sudden, somebody told somebody, who told somebody,

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<v Speaker 1>who told somebody, and you had a traffic jam up there. Ye, people,

466
00:29:04.039 --> 00:29:09.839
<v Speaker 1>and you and I when we were at eleven seventy

467
00:29:09.920 --> 00:29:16.480
<v Speaker 1>Soldi's Field Road. The cafeteria up there had a deck

468
00:29:17.400 --> 00:29:20.559
<v Speaker 1>and that was a good place to watch the fireworks,

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00:29:20.680 --> 00:29:23.200
<v Speaker 1>and I never did that. I did that on a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of occasions, and I was on the air for

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<v Speaker 1>one of them. Yeah, but you know, I run up

472
00:29:32.200 --> 00:29:37.039
<v Speaker 1>there or take the elevator one floor and watched during

473
00:29:37.240 --> 00:29:41.640
<v Speaker 1>a newscast and had to run back down six minutes later.

474
00:29:42.400 --> 00:29:46.480
<v Speaker 1>But it was nice to see it from that viewpoint.

475
00:29:47.480 --> 00:29:49.960
<v Speaker 1>And now I'm at the time to take a break

476
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<v Speaker 1>So if you're out there you have a story you

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<v Speaker 1>want to share about the Fourth of July around or

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<v Speaker 1>through a political individual or your own person observations six one, seven, two, five, four,

479
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<v Speaker 1>ten thirty or eight eight, eight, nine, two, nine, ten thirty,

480
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<v Speaker 1>give us a call. Please time at temperature ten forty

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<v Speaker 1>five sixty nine degrees.

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<v Speaker 3>It's Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ in Boston's

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<v Speaker 3>news radio.

484
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<v Speaker 1>Dan Ray's off. He'll be back on the fourteenth of July,

485
00:30:23.240 --> 00:30:26.559
<v Speaker 1>which means he's off all next week. If you haven't

486
00:30:26.640 --> 00:30:30.680
<v Speaker 1>heard the news, Bradley Jay is back within the folds

487
00:30:30.680 --> 00:30:34.680
<v Speaker 1>of WBZ broadcast Thursday. He'll be here filling in for

488
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<v Speaker 1>Nightside on Monday and Tuesday, on Wednesday as well, I

489
00:30:39.640 --> 00:30:43.400
<v Speaker 1>Morgan Mike Junior will be here next Thursday and Friday,

490
00:30:43.519 --> 00:30:46.000
<v Speaker 1>and as well my own show, The Morgan Show on

491
00:30:46.079 --> 00:30:52.680
<v Speaker 1>Saturday nights. And up for another roughly hour and ten minutes,

492
00:30:53.480 --> 00:30:58.839
<v Speaker 1>Jack Hartndeyer trying to keep you interested in facts about

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00:30:58.880 --> 00:31:05.440
<v Speaker 1>the Fourth of July, through politics, through just everyday circumstances.

494
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<v Speaker 1>And I know people listening right now are leaving the

495
00:31:09.720 --> 00:31:18.279
<v Speaker 1>esunaut very very slowly. How was it tonight you're listening

496
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<v Speaker 1>on the radio, give us a call, give us your

497
00:31:22.559 --> 00:31:26.839
<v Speaker 1>opinion of how the evening's entertainment went. Did you go

498
00:31:26.920 --> 00:31:28.920
<v Speaker 1>ooh and I every time there was a burst of

499
00:31:28.960 --> 00:31:34.839
<v Speaker 1>a firework over your head. And I know some people

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00:31:34.880 --> 00:31:39.160
<v Speaker 1>listening right now are Nightside fans, and Jack, I don't

501
00:31:39.160 --> 00:31:40.960
<v Speaker 1>think you heard me when I first got on the

502
00:31:41.000 --> 00:31:46.160
<v Speaker 1>air at eight seven, eighth eight whatever, and I said,

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00:31:46.200 --> 00:31:49.160
<v Speaker 1>I want all the people listening right now tonight Side

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00:31:50.240 --> 00:31:53.079
<v Speaker 1>on the counter three to yell out Nightside. And I'm

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00:31:53.119 --> 00:31:57.519
<v Speaker 1>wondering how many people actually did. So you knew you

506
00:31:57.559 --> 00:32:02.480
<v Speaker 1>weren't alone out there among of one hundred thousand people. Sure. Absolutely,

507
00:32:03.839 --> 00:32:08.000
<v Speaker 1>And I have a story if you don't have another

508
00:32:08.039 --> 00:32:11.400
<v Speaker 1>one handy that might kill about three or four minutes.

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00:32:11.440 --> 00:32:15.680
<v Speaker 3>If you want, I've got I've got plenty of stuff.

510
00:32:15.680 --> 00:32:18.079
<v Speaker 3>But I know you wanted to talk about one of

511
00:32:18.119 --> 00:32:19.559
<v Speaker 3>your relatives, about your grandfather.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, thank you for reminding me. My grandfather worked

513
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<v Speaker 1>on the ocean liner the SS United States. He was

514
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<v Speaker 1>a steward and he divorced my grandmother when my mother

515
00:32:41.000 --> 00:32:44.680
<v Speaker 1>and my aunt were like eight, nine, ten years old.

516
00:32:45.920 --> 00:32:52.519
<v Speaker 1>And he would bring home periodically and little things from

517
00:32:52.519 --> 00:32:57.880
<v Speaker 1>the ship like silverware, or a towel or whatever, because

518
00:32:58.079 --> 00:33:02.079
<v Speaker 1>if you're a steward, you have access to those things.

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00:33:02.759 --> 00:33:07.720
<v Speaker 1>Not a lot, but just to to share with his family. Sure,

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00:33:09.440 --> 00:33:17.240
<v Speaker 1>and it reminded me of a story. My grandmother had it.

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00:33:17.279 --> 00:33:19.480
<v Speaker 1>And I've told this story in the year before she

522
00:33:19.680 --> 00:33:30.279
<v Speaker 1>had it. What is it that ability beyond normal everyday circumstances,

523
00:33:31.559 --> 00:33:36.200
<v Speaker 1>A second sight? Oh, kind of an eerie thing. I see.

524
00:33:36.240 --> 00:33:41.440
<v Speaker 1>She definitely had it, and she impressed me a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of times with what she could do that involved me

526
00:33:45.839 --> 00:33:50.359
<v Speaker 1>and telling me what I did, what I did that.

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00:33:50.359 --> 00:33:54.680
<v Speaker 2>Night, I see. But she had eyes on the back

528
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<v Speaker 2>of her head.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, I see. And he told her I'll be getting

530
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<v Speaker 1>in Thursday. As an example, he got in Wednesday. My

531
00:34:10.800 --> 00:34:18.880
<v Speaker 1>grandmother just had a feeling. He's in Boston now, and

532
00:34:20.599 --> 00:34:23.199
<v Speaker 1>I forget what they call it now. It used to

533
00:34:23.280 --> 00:34:31.880
<v Speaker 1>be the National Theater in between Stremont Street crossing Clarington

534
00:34:32.000 --> 00:34:35.719
<v Speaker 1>and Berkeley. In that block that was a National Theater.

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00:34:36.360 --> 00:34:41.039
<v Speaker 1>It's some sort of hoopy do thing now. But anyway,

536
00:34:41.239 --> 00:34:46.280
<v Speaker 1>she walked. They lived on Northampton Street, Northampton and Mass

537
00:34:46.280 --> 00:34:52.440
<v Speaker 1>Avenue and then West Springfield, all about another seven blocks

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00:34:53.079 --> 00:34:59.159
<v Speaker 1>to the theater. She didn't know she just had a feeling.

539
00:35:00.400 --> 00:35:05.800
<v Speaker 1>She walked those seventy eight nine blocks get to the

540
00:35:05.840 --> 00:35:10.679
<v Speaker 1>ticket taker. Ticket taker said that'll be fifty cents or

541
00:35:10.679 --> 00:35:16.079
<v Speaker 1>whatever it was in that era. And my grandmother said,

542
00:35:16.360 --> 00:35:20.840
<v Speaker 1>I'm just here to get my husband. And the ticket

543
00:35:20.840 --> 00:35:25.079
<v Speaker 1>taker must have seen the situation in the past. Lady,

544
00:35:25.119 --> 00:35:31.360
<v Speaker 1>go right ahead. She goes in, goes up to the balcony.

545
00:35:32.440 --> 00:35:37.639
<v Speaker 1>In those days, they let you sit in the balcony,

546
00:35:38.519 --> 00:35:42.639
<v Speaker 1>went right to the seat where he was. Did not know,

547
00:35:43.000 --> 00:35:45.760
<v Speaker 1>had no idea he'd be sitting in the fifth row

548
00:35:45.800 --> 00:35:53.400
<v Speaker 1>of five seats in Jimmy, that was his name. Time

549
00:35:53.440 --> 00:35:59.400
<v Speaker 1>to come home. He was there with another woman, and

550
00:35:59.880 --> 00:36:03.800
<v Speaker 1>I mean, what could he do? He was bagged. Yeah,

551
00:36:03.960 --> 00:36:07.800
<v Speaker 1>he got up and walked out with my grandmother. Wow,

552
00:36:08.239 --> 00:36:11.880
<v Speaker 1>what happened to and and I guess the young lady

553
00:36:11.920 --> 00:36:16.800
<v Speaker 1>watched the second film? But he said the popcord? Who

554
00:36:16.840 --> 00:36:20.280
<v Speaker 1>told you I was here? And she said, no one.

555
00:36:20.480 --> 00:36:23.360
<v Speaker 1>And he just shook his head because he knew my

556
00:36:23.519 --> 00:36:28.400
<v Speaker 1>grandmother had that sixth sense.

557
00:36:28.519 --> 00:36:29.440
<v Speaker 2>Isn't that crazy?

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00:36:29.960 --> 00:36:33.079
<v Speaker 1>And that and that is a true story because my

559
00:36:33.159 --> 00:36:36.159
<v Speaker 1>mother verified it. Yeah that happened. Wow. Wow.

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00:36:36.360 --> 00:36:38.920
<v Speaker 3>I think that people have certain connections to each other.

561
00:36:39.039 --> 00:36:42.079
<v Speaker 3>And yeah, and they and the and they just have

562
00:36:42.159 --> 00:36:45.039
<v Speaker 3>a have a knowledge and a connection and and just

563
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<v Speaker 3>have an idea as to what's going on with somebody remotely.

564
00:36:48.440 --> 00:36:51.280
<v Speaker 3>Think it's just I think that's how how people end

565
00:36:51.360 --> 00:36:53.920
<v Speaker 3>up and you know, connected to each other because they

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<v Speaker 3>have that sort of feeling.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I've never had it with anyone else, that the

568
00:37:02.039 --> 00:37:07.519
<v Speaker 1>power that my grandmother displayed. And I'll tell you a

569
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<v Speaker 1>real quick story since we only have about a minute

570
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<v Speaker 1>and a half before I have to take a hoose break,

571
00:37:13.039 --> 00:37:16.760
<v Speaker 1>There'll be a perfect amount of time for this. The

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00:37:16.880 --> 00:37:23.159
<v Speaker 1>night my grandmother passed away in our home, we had

573
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<v Speaker 1>made the living room her bedroom, I see, so she

574
00:37:28.079 --> 00:37:33.360
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't have to go upstairs anymore. Yeah, she's passed away.

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<v Speaker 1>We call the police and the ambulance people, and we

576
00:37:38.440 --> 00:37:42.960
<v Speaker 1>have a front door and a screen door, and we

577
00:37:43.400 --> 00:37:48.639
<v Speaker 1>let the door, oh stay open, so the police could

578
00:37:48.679 --> 00:37:52.000
<v Speaker 1>come and go and the ambulance people could come and go.

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<v Speaker 1>We had a burglar alarm on the door, and the

580
00:37:58.840 --> 00:38:05.719
<v Speaker 1>burglar alarm kept beeping because the door is open. And Jack,

581
00:38:06.480 --> 00:38:14.920
<v Speaker 1>I'm the witness this actually happened. The police officer was

582
00:38:14.960 --> 00:38:19.519
<v Speaker 1>trying to shut the alarm off because it was an

583
00:38:19.559 --> 00:38:24.280
<v Speaker 1>annoying noise. He said, what's the code. I gave the code.

584
00:38:24.280 --> 00:38:29.719
<v Speaker 1>He pushed the number in didn't turn off the alarm.

585
00:38:30.119 --> 00:38:35.119
<v Speaker 1>They tried everything, including pulling the wires.

586
00:38:35.599 --> 00:38:37.320
<v Speaker 2>No kidna, it wouldn't shut it off.

587
00:38:37.159 --> 00:38:45.599
<v Speaker 1>And eventually it just went and faded out. No, kidd

588
00:38:46.119 --> 00:38:50.239
<v Speaker 1>and I just knew that was my grandmother saying goodbye. Absolutely,

589
00:38:50.440 --> 00:38:58.360
<v Speaker 1>I just knew. There's no way anybody these years later

590
00:38:58.440 --> 00:39:02.280
<v Speaker 1>that was nineteen ninety six or seven. You can't convince

591
00:39:02.360 --> 00:39:03.519
<v Speaker 1>me that wasn't the case.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh absolutely not.

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<v Speaker 3>No, that uh yeah, that that was definitely your That

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00:39:08.440 --> 00:39:11.760
<v Speaker 3>was definitely if your grandmother had that kind of ability

595
00:39:11.760 --> 00:39:13.800
<v Speaker 3>to hear and see things, then she could get that

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<v Speaker 3>thing to ring.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, people, we've got another hour to go. I've

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00:39:17.559 --> 00:39:19.800
<v Speaker 1>got some more Fourth of July stories. I hope you

599
00:39:19.840 --> 00:39:21.920
<v Speaker 1>do too. Give me a call, Give Jack a call.

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<v Speaker 1>We're here waiting six one, seven, two, five, four ten

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<v Speaker 1>thirty or eight eight, eight nine, two nine ten thirty.

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<v Speaker 1>Time and temperature here on night side ten fifty eight

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<v Speaker 1>sixty nine degrees
