Speaker 1: This podcast is brought to you by, we have a
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Speaker 2: Ryan?
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 1: Ryan McDonald, co-host. We have a very special guest that
Speaker 1: I want to share our sponsor with. It is my family,
Speaker 1: Kevin DiPietri.
Speaker 2: Wow, first and last name, that's nice.
Speaker 1: Or as CeCe calls you, Tevin.
Speaker 2: Tevin.
Speaker 1: Not Uncle Tevin, just Tevin.
Speaker 2: Tevin. It's a lot better than a year ago.
Speaker 1: So, Kevin, we've talked about on the podcast before how
Speaker 1: you spend time in Brazil.
Speaker 2: I did.
Speaker 1: And we, you know, we're on the pod, we're big
Speaker 1: fans of the delicacy known as buzz balls.
Speaker 3: We've made them actually what they are today.
Speaker 1: So we went to, what's the liquor store by your house?
Speaker 2: One Stop.
Speaker 1: One Stop's great. Their pricing is insane. One Stop should
Speaker 1: be the sponsor. So you couldn't believe the Casamigos handle price.
Speaker 3: Unbelievable.
Speaker 1: There was a handle of Raposado for $ 51. So they
Speaker 1: had Brazilian buzz balls.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: Here you go. Give one to Ryan.
Speaker 2: That's so generous.
Speaker 1: And our sponsor is One Stop and buzz balls. What's
Speaker 1: a capey?
Speaker 2: Where do you see that?
Speaker 1: C-A-I-P-I.
Speaker 2: Oh, I would have thought that was Capri. I don't know,
Speaker 2: maybe like a Caipirosca? Something like that?
Speaker 1: Well, I know, isn't it Capirinha?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Capirinha, Caipirosca.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because you speak Portuguese.
Speaker 2: A little bit. A little bit. That's not good.
Speaker 1: And it is 15% alcohol, so it's like wine.
Speaker 2: Oh, it's only 15%? It's like wine.
Speaker 1: It's like a fine wine. Smells like limes. Cheers.
Speaker 2: Saúde.
Speaker 1: To Kevin. What's cheers in Portuguese?
Speaker 2: Saúde.
Speaker 3: Saúde?
Speaker 2: Saúde, saúde, yeah. Sláinte. It's the same everywhere. Are you
Speaker 2: supposed to drink this whole thing?
Speaker 1: You are supposed to drink the whole thing.
Speaker 2: At once?
Speaker 1: It's a little.
Speaker 1: Ryan's having some trouble.
Speaker 2: It's okay. It's not bad.
Speaker 3: It's pretty citrusy.
Speaker 2: Yeah. But I love them.
Speaker 3: I got the Buzz Balls tattoo as the company asked
Speaker 3: me to do so all.
Speaker 1: Right well i'm playing the theme song right now oh
Speaker 1: shit oh no i'm not playing the theme song i
Speaker 1: pressed the wrong button this is off to a great start.
Speaker 2: M & M.
Speaker 1: Three years?
Speaker 2: Three years, yep.
Speaker 1: They had a Buzz Boulder, which is a bigger.
Speaker 2: I saw that. What's bigger than the ball?
Speaker 1: Isn't there a.
Speaker 2: There's the ball, there's the.
Speaker 1: No, this is the ball.
Speaker 2: I'm starting, I'm doing the full hierarchy.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 3: There's the ball, there's the.
Speaker 2: Gone.
Speaker 3: Biggie, Biggie.
Speaker 2: Biggie, but gone, but not forgotten, Buzz Bomb.
Speaker 3: Wish they kept that.
Speaker 2: What's the Buzz Bomb? Medium size, between....
Speaker 1: Oh between balls like a softball size baseball size no
Speaker 1: this is baseball size softball size then there's Biggie and
Speaker 1: then there's Boulder and there was.
Speaker 3: A Boulder Boulder is I want to kill everyone I
Speaker 3: know Boulder.
Speaker 2: Is like the size of a bowling ball is that
Speaker 2: a single serving like a single person no no okay
Speaker 2: because these are these are meant to be drank by
Speaker 2: yourself yes like as you go up it just becomes
Speaker 2: like a there's so much larger vessel it's no longer
Speaker 2: a buzz ball it's just so the Boulder.
Speaker 1: That I found was melon.
Speaker 3: And I thought, oh, my God. I just picture, like,
Speaker 3: at the marketing team, like, can we pick the grossest
Speaker 3: flavor for the boulder?
Speaker 2: Sure.
Speaker 1: Of course we can. So I was going to buy that, like,
Speaker 1: as a joke, and I thought, why? You're just going
Speaker 1: to dump it out. You're going to throw it away.
Speaker 2: Or drink it. You would end up making us all
Speaker 2: drink it. We're going to get the barbecue sauce boulder. Sure. Oh, man.
Speaker 1: Well, welcome back to Cuff's Basement.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 1: And we are talking about a film. So we are
Speaker 1: out in Littleton on location. So we haven't released a
Speaker 1: pod in a while, and it's because we were busy
Speaker 1: taking a victory lap after the Batman series, the Christopher
Speaker 1: Nolan trilogy.
Speaker 3: We have resurrected that franchise. People are talking about it again.
Speaker 1: It's crazy. Nobody even remembered it coming out, basically.
Speaker 3: People just didn't know it existed. They were like, holy shit.
Speaker 1: I was very happy with the podcast series. It got
Speaker 1: a little choppy at the end.
Speaker 3: I didn't love the recording session for The Dark Knight,
Speaker 3: but the rest were great. I loved The Dark Knight Rises.
Speaker 1: Why didn't you like the recording session?
Speaker 3: It was just, the circumstances were tough. I, yeah.
Speaker 1: Oh, because of the dogs.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: It was tough.
Speaker 2: That did not come through. It was tough.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 2: You did great. But.
Speaker 3: You're too hard on yourself. I made up for it
Speaker 3: with The Dark Knight Rises.
Speaker 2: I was like, we're going to.
Speaker 1: You sure did. You sure did.
Speaker 2: I didn't notice a difference between any of the episodes,
Speaker 2: just so you guys know.
Speaker 3: Good.
Speaker 2: No difference whatsoever.
Speaker 1: I think the third one was noticeably different.
Speaker 2: And the end happened how all ends of 12-chapter podcasts happen.
Speaker 2: Just repeating yourself. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So, Kevin and Megan each asked me a question... Because
Speaker 1: I guess I'm so removed from normal people when it
Speaker 1: comes to Batman. They both asked me a question that
Speaker 1: I thought, how do they not know the answer to this?
Speaker 1: One of them was Megan said, so why did Christian
Speaker 1: Bale decide to not be Batman anymore? And I was like,
Speaker 1: it was done. That was it. That was his story.
Speaker 1: It was done. There was no... There wasn't a possibility
Speaker 1: of him coming back.
Speaker 2: But if you're not an avid Batman fan, you wouldn't
Speaker 2: think there's a first, second, third, and then it's over,
Speaker 2: you never see the guy again.
Speaker 1: But those movies ended, and then there was years until
Speaker 1: another Batman movie, and then it was a different director,
Speaker 1: different actor.
Speaker 2: I don't know. Maybe I'm embarrassed to say this. I'm
Speaker 2: really not, actually. I always thought of the one with
Speaker 2: Heath Ledger as the first, because it was so awesome.
Speaker 1: A lot of people do think that.
Speaker 2: I have no idea what happened with Liam Neeson.
Speaker 3: Really?
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: It was so bizarre when we did the rewatch. I
Speaker 3: was like, wow, Batman Begins. That one was the most, like, whoa,
Speaker 3: impressive rewatch in the three. I'm not saying it's the
Speaker 3: best one, but I was like.
Speaker 1: It was better than I remembered.
Speaker 3: It was just, wow.
Speaker 2: I thought Bane was so much... Bane was... Bane... The Bane... Um... what,
Speaker 2: what do you call it? A series. What is that called? Uh,
Speaker 2: that genre, the Bane, the, the Bane, uh, uh, uh,
Speaker 2: the Bane movie.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: He was probably equal villain wise to Heath Ledger. And
Speaker 2: those two movies were closer and like how good they were.
Speaker 2: And that first movie was kind of average.
Speaker 3: I think those two are the most style comparatively. Cause
Speaker 3: Batman begins truly feels different than when you watch the
Speaker 3: other two. Like it's way more like quote unquote, like fantastical.
Speaker 3: The other two are much more like city real. Um,
Speaker 3: But Bane's incredible. I think he's always going to be underrated,
Speaker 3: in my opinion.
Speaker 1: Bane is incredible. I think that the first movie had
Speaker 1: to be about Batman, and the other two were kind
Speaker 1: of stolen by amazing villains. But the question that Kevin
Speaker 1: asked me that I just didn't understand, because he said,
Speaker 1: how many more of these movies are you doing? And
Speaker 1: I said, none of them. We were very clear, consistently
Speaker 1: throughout the podcast, we're doing the three Christopher Nolan movies.
Speaker 3: If you want to do the four 90s ones... Did
Speaker 3: I ask that?
Speaker 1: You asked me in person, yeah.
Speaker 2: Would love to do those.
Speaker 1: But then I said, no, Dark Knight Rises is it.
Speaker 1: And then he said, thank God.
Speaker 2: Fair? No, no, it was a good series. I liked it.
Speaker 2: I listened to everything. I got choppy because I even
Speaker 2: listened in the wrong order. Yeah, Kevin said I was.
Speaker 1: Confused because I was listening in the wrong order. I go,
Speaker 1: why would you do that?
Speaker 3: I'll do Dark Knight Rises Part 4, and then Batman
Speaker 3: Begins 2, then Dark Knight Part 1.
Speaker 2: Well, it's like if you look, sometimes you look if
Speaker 2: you're three behind, and you go, oh, maybe I'll just
Speaker 2: skip those and go to this next one that I'm
Speaker 2: interested in. And then you go, oh, if those are
Speaker 2: all tied together, I've got to go back, but I'll
Speaker 2: go back later.
Speaker 3: You're halfway through the Dark Knight, and you're like, when
Speaker 3: is Liam Neeson here?
Speaker 2: Totally.
Speaker 1: So we come out here once a year, and we
Speaker 1: do a pod with my sister and my brother-in-law, Kevin, Tevin.
Speaker 1: And we said, like, Kevin, you can pick any movie
Speaker 1: you want. We don't care. Like, just tell us in advance.
Speaker 1: And you chose a great film. You chose There Will
Speaker 1: Be Blood, which came out in what year? 07. 07.
Speaker 1: Directed by Paul Thomas Anderson, starring Richard Grieco. Or, sorry,
Speaker 1: Daniel Day-Lewis. And why did you choose There Will Be Blood?
Speaker 2: Oh, man. Well, this was one of the movies that
Speaker 2: I don't think I had heard anything about at all.
Speaker 2: ended up coming on at some point. You heard nothing
Speaker 2: about it before.
Speaker 1: Nothing. When did it come out?
Speaker 2: It came out in 2007, maybe in like 2010 at
Speaker 2: some point. So when it came out, you didn't know.
Speaker 2: I did not see this, no.
Speaker 1: And you were not aware of it?
Speaker 2: Not aware. Not aware. And I'm like, I saw it
Speaker 2: probably on Amazon Prime or something like that. Great title.
Speaker 2: Daniel Day-Lewis. I'm like, wait a second. I'm like, I've
Speaker 2: never heard of this before. I don't know what it's about. Perfect.
Speaker 1: The title is a spoiler for the end of the movie.
Speaker 2: Very true. Um... And then, yeah, I mean, it was,
Speaker 2: Daniel Day-Lewis is just, he's the man. He's just incredible.
Speaker 1: So, we've talked about on the pod how, like, maybe
Speaker 1: we consider, and many people consider him, the Tom Brady,
Speaker 1: the GOAT. He's the GOAT of actors, at least, like,
Speaker 1: in modern times. Since, you know, 1960, he would be
Speaker 1: the GOAT of actors. Do you, can you think of
Speaker 1: an actor? Because, like, De Niro comes to mind, but
Speaker 1: I think DDL is better than De Niro. I think
Speaker 1: it's also it's like.
Speaker 3: A progenitor thing too of like I think DDL like
Speaker 3: always was like riffing off De Niro of like how.
Speaker 2: To do it.
Speaker 3: Cause De Niro Sure. De Niro was famous for homework
Speaker 3: and that's what DDL became the extreme of. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I probably only know like five DDL movies.
Speaker 1: Which are what?
Speaker 2: It doesn't do a lot. Um the Gangs in New York.
Speaker 2: Gangs in New York. The one in Ireland of the
Speaker 2: guys that got arrested.
Speaker 1: Oh, in the name of the father.
Speaker 2: Yep. Last of the Mohegans. Hoping to see Jer today.
Speaker 2: Hear from Jer.
Speaker 1: I forgot about Jer. I can't.
Speaker 3: That alternate cut is pretty tough.
Speaker 1: It's Giuseppe. I can't Jer, you're my son.
Speaker 3: Da.
Speaker 1: I want to kiss you, da.
Speaker 2: Yeah, those both of them moved in here for a
Speaker 2: couple weeks. They were. Duh.
Speaker 1: I want to shower with you, duh. I can't cure you,
Speaker 1: my son. Alright, let's move on. So, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think this performance specifically, because Bill the Butcher is
Speaker 1: a supporting role. Bill the Butcher might be.
Speaker 3: You got to wait for a best actor for Bill
Speaker 3: the Butcher.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Hot take that that movie sucked.
Speaker 1: I don't agree with that at all, but a lot
Speaker 1: of people didn't like him when it came out. But
Speaker 1: you can't think his performance sucked.
Speaker 2: No, he's great. Obviously. Leo's great. I mean, there are
Speaker 2: good things about it, but that it's a hard watch it's.
Speaker 3: The example of in real time when you watch a
Speaker 3: movie where they're starting with DiCaprio and like who's ever
Speaker 3: editing doing whatever realizes like oh this is the more
Speaker 3: interesting thing is Daniel Lewis and the movie just completely
Speaker 3: gravitates to him it's like you just watch it in real.
Speaker 1: Time kind of like Family Matters with Urkel.
Speaker 3: Exactly or like The Simpsons with Bart DeHomer like oh
Speaker 3: this is what people want to see go for.
Speaker 1: It sure I like the Urkel example better, but.
Speaker 2: Sure.
Speaker 3: You mean Stievel in Carlsbad?
Speaker 1: Stievel in Carlsbad.
Speaker 3: Yeah. The puppets. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I can't think... He probably is my goat. Probably.
Speaker 2: I think it's like.
Speaker 3: Because, again, the homework has become so famous for him,
Speaker 3: it's almost like people take it for granted, undeniable. His
Speaker 3: performances are amazing. He does disappear. This is very selfish.
Speaker 3: I just wish he did more stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I remember hearing an interview where someone's like, I think
Speaker 3: Nicolas Cage is the greatest actor of all time. And
Speaker 3: the person was like, why? And they're like, look at
Speaker 3: what he's done.
Speaker 2: He's unafraid.
Speaker 3: And he's unafraid. Even if he fucking fails, he does it.
Speaker 1: Madden looks interesting. Did you see the trailer for that?
Speaker 2: I didn't, but I heard. Is that going straight to.
Speaker 4: yes it's Christian Bale is that a good thing now
Speaker 4: or a bad thing no a bad thing oh okay
Speaker 4: I thought so Christian Bale is Al Davis right no
Speaker 4: I know Nicholas Cage is John Madden but like it's
Speaker 4: just like I will watch that though oh of course
Speaker 4: I feel.
Speaker 3: Like it's just different acting styles if you're a method
Speaker 3: actor obviously he's the best but I feel like if
Speaker 3: you're a person who just tries anything because some actors
Speaker 3: are like my job is just to be me like
Speaker 3: I'm going to be George Clooney in this movie you're
Speaker 3: just going to see me before you see.
Speaker 1: The character George Clooney's not going to transform.
Speaker 3: Exactly.
Speaker 2: I don't know. De Niro went and started doing comedy.
Speaker 2: So did Pacino later in their career. He's not going
Speaker 2: to do a comedy with Ben Stiller.
Speaker 1: I truly have no idea what DDL is up to
Speaker 1: in between movies. But I picture him living on a
Speaker 1: remote island off the coast of Ireland. And he's building
Speaker 1: furniture with his hands.
Speaker 2: He's literally a goat herder. He's like, I'm going to
Speaker 2: be goat herding from here on out.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of goat's milk in this movie.
Speaker 2: It was real.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And this movie is directed by, speaking of goats,
Speaker 1: one of the greatest living directors, I think. Not the greatest,
Speaker 1: but one of the greatest. Paul Thomas Anderson, PTA. This
Speaker 1: came out in 2007. So at that point, he had
Speaker 1: done Heart 8, Boogie Nights. Heart 8 was kind of unknown.
Speaker 2: Good movie.
Speaker 1: Boogie Nights, huge movie. Magnolia with Tom Cruise, Punch Drunk
Speaker 1: Love with Adam Sandler, and then that was it. And
Speaker 1: he also had not made a movie for five years.
Speaker 3: This was a very big dunk for him.
Speaker 2: How do you get Daniel Day-Lewis for this movie?
Speaker 3: I wonder. I think he's so known for being a
Speaker 3: good writer. I wonder if you read the script and
Speaker 3: you're kind of like, yep, I'll do this.
Speaker 1: Also, think about this. So, Hard Eight, okay, it was
Speaker 1: an independent movie. Boogie Nights, Masterpiece, Home Run, made him famous.
Speaker 1: Everybody loved it.
Speaker 3: Magnolia....
Speaker 1: People didn't love it.
Speaker 3: At the time it was seen as overwrought. I think
Speaker 3: people love it a lot more now.
Speaker 1: But at the time it was not a huge success.
Speaker 1: Especially it was like Tom Cruise was taking a risk
Speaker 1: and they thought it didn't pay off. Then Punch Drunk
Speaker 1: Love is a movie starring Adam Sandler. I'm not shitting
Speaker 1: on Punch Drunk Love. But it's like people are like
Speaker 1: what is this? And then he doesn't make a movie
Speaker 1: for five years.
Speaker 3: But you think like also like one of his contemporaries
Speaker 3: David Fincher 2002 makes Panic Room. Does nothing for five years.
Speaker 3: Since he does nothing. Doesn't do a movie for five
Speaker 3: years and then does Zodiac. And you're like, well, why
Speaker 3: you did this and then this came next? Like, what
Speaker 3: is this jump?
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I think it's the opportunity. I don't know. It's interesting.
Speaker 3: I mean, because if you read about how PTA wrote
Speaker 3: this movie, he read the book Oil. It's a book
Speaker 3: from like 1890 something.
Speaker 1: But Upton Sinclair, uh.
Speaker 3: Or even 1900 or something?
Speaker 1: Royal Baptist Sinclair, I don't remember what year, but it was.
Speaker 3: 1927 or something like that?
Speaker 1: It was like 100 years ago.
Speaker 3: Okay. So you read the book, and he said for fun,
Speaker 3: he was doing like a trip somewhere, and he wrote it.
Speaker 3: He's like, I'm going to adapt this book on this, like,
Speaker 3: traveling on this trip. I'm just going to like write
Speaker 3: a few chapters into screenplay. And it's like, oh, there's
Speaker 3: a movie here.
Speaker 2: There's something here, yeah.
Speaker 3: And then did it. But you're like, this just seemed
Speaker 3: like so like naturally, like, kind of grown that way.
Speaker 2: And.
Speaker 3: I wonder if this script was just that good and
Speaker 3: Daniel Lewis was like, I can't say no to this.
Speaker 1: So after this, just to talk about it real quick,
Speaker 1: it's not relevant to this movie, but he did The
Speaker 1: Master in 2012. Have you seen The Master?
Speaker 2: I have not seen any of the movies you've said
Speaker 2: except for this and Boogie Nights.
Speaker 1: Dude, you have to see The Master. The Master might
Speaker 1: be my favorite PTA movie.
Speaker 3: I think it's the best Joaquin performance of all time.
Speaker 1: And it's Philip Seymour Hoffman.
Speaker 3: Actually, DDL won the Oscar this year for Lincoln, and
Speaker 3: I think Joaquin should have won.
Speaker 1: Then Inherent Vice, which is Joaquin again. I want to
Speaker 1: love this movie, but I don't.
Speaker 3: It's the most forgotten of his movies, hands down.
Speaker 2: That's a lot of Joaquin.
Speaker 1: Then 2017, Phantom Thread. Just weird, even for him. Love it.
Speaker 1: Then 2021, Licorice Pizza, starring Paul Thomas, starring Philip Seymour
Speaker 1: Hoffman's son, Cooper.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 1: And then 2025, One Battle After Another, where this often
Speaker 1: happens with really good directors. He had never won the
Speaker 1: Oscar for Best Director. He finally won in 2025. Not
Speaker 1: his best movie at all.
Speaker 3: At all. Love the movie, but agreed.
Speaker 1: There Will Be Blood is a better movie.
Speaker 2: What movie in 2025?
Speaker 1: One Battle After Another. It's with Leo.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: It won Best Picture.
Speaker 3: I honestly still think Boogie Nights is his best movie.
Speaker 1: Boogie Nights is probably his best movie.
Speaker 2: This is a million times better.
Speaker 1: I think there will be blood.
Speaker 3: I think it's a total preference game.
Speaker 2: I really do. I'm not kidding you.
Speaker 3: He's so good, I think it's a preference game.
Speaker 1: I agree with you. And one thing that I remember
Speaker 1: about this movie is like, oh, so I love Boogie Nights.
Speaker 1: Boogie Nights is legit hilarious.
Speaker 3: It's so funny.
Speaker 1: And I thought, oh, there will be blood that's completely
Speaker 1: devoid of humor and I don't like that because I
Speaker 1: like how he's funny in his movies. But then when
Speaker 1: I re-watched this, I was like, oh no, this movie's funny.
Speaker 3: There are YouTube videos that people screen in this movie
Speaker 3: theaters and people just like laughing just because when they
Speaker 3: cut back to Daniel's face, people just laugh because you're
Speaker 3: like this, wow, you expected a human to respond to
Speaker 3: this comment? And it's unreal.
Speaker 1: So, big PTA fan. Um, we mentioned this is based
Speaker 1: on Oil by Upton Sinclair. This year, this movie got, like,
Speaker 1: completely swept out of the Oscars. This is the No
Speaker 1: Country for Old Men year.
Speaker 3: It's a weird thing where, like, it's a weird, like,
Speaker 3: collider year where, like, you have so many great things
Speaker 3: come out. Like, not just, like, awards great, but really great.
Speaker 3: And it's, like, what gets picked. Because, like, this is
Speaker 3: the same year as, like, Eastern Promises, Zodiac.
Speaker 1: You love Eastern Promises.
Speaker 2: I love Eastern Promises.
Speaker 1: It's a great movie.
Speaker 2: I've recommended that to... people that i barely know um.
Speaker 3: Also uh for the pixar crowd ratatouille like a lot
Speaker 3: of great stuff this year and it was like it's
Speaker 3: weird like it sucks this movie lost this stuff but
Speaker 3: also i'm like hey it's the colin brothers these guys
Speaker 3: have never done anything that is like um not what
Speaker 3: they do even if you don't like it it's always
Speaker 3: been their thing and like they do no country which
Speaker 3: is like adapted no no country's great i really like great.
Speaker 2: Kevin's not a huge fan i need to re-watch that
Speaker 2: i i missed something there i watched it last i'd
Speaker 2: seen it.
Speaker 3: In theaters and i watched it um last year and
Speaker 3: i was like this is like a little bit like
Speaker 3: coen brothers applied that was my mentality like this is
Speaker 3: like them like doing like someone else's work then i
Speaker 3: could watch something i'm kind of like nope this is
Speaker 3: just them batting 4 000 like they're just this good.
Speaker 1: At this that's also a funny movie it's also.
Speaker 3: Very funny also they're very good at which i think
Speaker 3: is insane like no one ever gives them credit for
Speaker 3: they're so good at like that kind of thing it's their.
Speaker 2: But their best movie is fargo everything is compared against
Speaker 2: the ariester um movie i just in the pod we
Speaker 2: did yeah Eddington the violence in that everything that was
Speaker 2: compared against that it's like don't come at me with
Speaker 2: anything less than a. 50 cal rotating machine gun I brought.
Speaker 1: This up in the pod we did with Meg why
Speaker 1: nobody does this and I don't get it like Ari
Speaker 1: Aster using male nudity for horror purposes is so effective
Speaker 1: and I said to Megan which is scarier a guy
Speaker 1: breaks into your house or a guy breaks into your
Speaker 1: house naked right oh god It's Apples and Oranges. So.
Speaker 2: Easter Promises, again. Terrifying.
Speaker 1: Naked fights.
Speaker 2: Great fight scene, though. Naked knife scene. You're getting attacked
Speaker 2: two on one. You're naked. They're not. And you win.
Speaker 2: And you win. And yeah, you win and walk out
Speaker 2: of there.
Speaker 1: Well, that's the one problem I had. I thought Viggo
Speaker 1: Mortensen's character was really soft in that movie. Yeah. But
Speaker 1: the only Oscar this movie won, because No Country took director, picture...
Speaker 1: This won Best Actor, Daniel Day-Lewis. And it really, obviously
Speaker 1: because it was so good, but like No Country for
Speaker 1: Old Men doesn't really have a main character.
Speaker 2: It does not.
Speaker 1: So you couldn't really, I mean, Javier Bardem could have
Speaker 1: been nominated for Best Actor, but they probably did it intentionally.
Speaker 1: Because sometimes they nominate somebody who's borderline for supporting because
Speaker 1: they think it's more of a slam dunk.
Speaker 3: It's a guaranteed winner.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, to compare Javier Bardem, did he get
Speaker 2: nominated or who got nominated?
Speaker 1: He won Best Supporting.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: Javier Bardem won Best Supporting for No Country for Old Men.
Speaker 2: Was he nominated for... Actor? Yeah.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: Only supporting. I'm saying I think they did that intentionally
Speaker 1: because it's a more obvious win.
Speaker 2: I would say if there was even competition there, it's
Speaker 2: like the category's a joke. Yeah, it's just like a
Speaker 2: slam dunk thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I saw this in the theater at the time. I
Speaker 1: was in college. Love this movie. Always love this movie.
Speaker 1: I think that when I... I was almost intimidated because
Speaker 1: I was like, Oh, we really have to talk about
Speaker 1: this movie. And I don't think I fully understand it.
Speaker 1: I think a lot of it is above my head.
Speaker 1: And then when I re-watched it this time, I feel
Speaker 1: like I understood a lot more. Probably just because I'm
Speaker 1: older and I understand more about life.
Speaker 3: Also, I think the hype is taken away.
Speaker 2: There's not a lot of.
Speaker 1: Intimidation factor.
Speaker 3: You're just watching it. There's nothing surrounding it anymore.
Speaker 2: That's the thing. When I watched it for the first time,
Speaker 2: I had no hype.
Speaker 1: There you go.
Speaker 2: So just to go into something like... You've recommended movies before.
Speaker 2: I'm like, don't say another word. I'm like, I'm going
Speaker 2: to watch it from that. Don't tell me anything else.
Speaker 2: I want to go in expecting absolutely nothing. And that's
Speaker 2: when you, if you go into this expecting absolutely nothing
Speaker 2: and like not to get into the beginning of this,
Speaker 2: but it's like, yeah, you're yikes. You, you, you, you
Speaker 2: put me in a place that I wasn't before.
Speaker 3: But I think that's like literally the best way to go.
Speaker 3: Cause I feel like now, like as like a quote unquote,
Speaker 3: like avid movie goer, like, I now, like, really avoid
Speaker 3: a lot of, like, even.
Speaker 2: Like, trailers now.
Speaker 3: I'm just kind of.
Speaker 2: I don't watch trailers.
Speaker 3: I just really... Trailers give away everything. They just give
Speaker 3: away so much now, but also, like, that surprise, like, so, like,
Speaker 3: I only ever saw the first, like, teaser for Obsession.
Speaker 3: And then, like, the reviews came out or whatever, like,
Speaker 3: then it was like, holy shit, see.
Speaker 2: This, this is crazy. Don't ruin it for me. No spoilers.
Speaker 2: No spoilers, agreed. So it's like.
Speaker 1: But at the end?
Speaker 3: But at the end, when it turns out she is
Speaker 3: Daniel Day-Lewis, but it was like, I'm so glad I
Speaker 3: didn't read anything about this or there was no trailer
Speaker 3: that gave the beat by beat of the movie. Because
Speaker 3: unfortunately now you have to do it to get people
Speaker 3: to come see it. The experience of just being like,
Speaker 3: we're just going to pull the pin on this grenade.
Speaker 3: This guy does this wish and let's see what happens.
Speaker 3: And it comes true. All you can do is just
Speaker 3: be witness to what's happening.
Speaker 2: It's so great. And I feel like.
Speaker 3: That's just not... allowed it anymore sadly but.
Speaker 1: Yeah so I think we should get into it should
Speaker 1: we dive into the movie go for it so the
Speaker 1: movie begins in the year of our lord 1898 and
Speaker 1: there is a man Daniel Plainview played by Daniel Day-Lewis
Speaker 1: he is in like a mine shaft a hole that's
Speaker 1: sort of a mine shaft and I believe he's mining
Speaker 1: for silver.
Speaker 3: Silver and gold I believe yeah okay yeah.
Speaker 1: And he's like picking at stuff with a pickaxe But
Speaker 1: then eventually he realizes, okay, I need to set an explosive.
Speaker 1: So he sets an explosive, climbs out of the hole,
Speaker 1: blows it up. Then he's going down to find what
Speaker 1: the explosion resulted in. And he slips and falls down
Speaker 1: the hole. And badly breaks his leg. And he is
Speaker 1: limping throughout the rest of the movie. But my takeaway
Speaker 1: is he's broken his leg. And after a moment of shock,
Speaker 1: he finds a big chunk of silver. And he's like, psyched.
Speaker 1: So he's kind of like, I don't.
Speaker 2: Care that I broke my leg. Part of the job.
Speaker 1: Part of the job.
Speaker 2: The first thing that starts off is the music. It
Speaker 2: starts off eerily like you are getting... It's coming screaming
Speaker 2: at you and it puts you in a black hole.
Speaker 2: And this guy's just down there with a pickaxe by himself.
Speaker 2: He's bananas. It's a bananas place to start a movie.
Speaker 1: I'm not smart enough to talk about scores. I don't
Speaker 1: understand music and scores, but I think the score is
Speaker 1: so effective, and I couldn't tell you exactly what about it,
Speaker 1: but all the scores always filled me with dread. Like,
Speaker 1: all the scores are very, all the music in this
Speaker 1: movie is like, this isn't good. Like, whatever's happening, like,
Speaker 1: I feel afraid.
Speaker 3: I think the idea is like, it's starting, like, like,
Speaker 3: the sound of it is, and it, it's amazing when
Speaker 3: it goes out for a while and then comes back.
Speaker 3: I think the idea is like, it's the idea, like
Speaker 3: you just said, like, He sees the silver and he
Speaker 3: doesn't give a shit that his leg is broken. It's
Speaker 3: the starting of the sickness. Of like, oh, this is
Speaker 3: the high I need.
Speaker 2: I'm good. And the music represents.
Speaker 3: Like, this is the battery that's going to charge him
Speaker 3: the whole time. This is the first movie that... This
Speaker 3: is Johnny Greenwood from Radiohead scored with PTA. They've now
Speaker 3: done pretty much every movie since.
Speaker 1: The score is incredible.
Speaker 3: The score is amazing. It was not even nominated for
Speaker 3: any type of Oscar because the score... included pieces that
Speaker 3: Johnny Greenwood had done before. So you couldn't use it
Speaker 3: because it wasn't totally original. The score for this movie
Speaker 3: is fucking amazing.
Speaker 1: That's too bad. So now it is 1902 and Daniel
Speaker 1: has an oil claim. He drops a spike in the
Speaker 1: ground in a pit and oil comes up and he's very,
Speaker 1: very happy. There's a man who's working with him that's
Speaker 1: holding a baby.
Speaker 2: I have to jump back. Sorry, you're one minute into
Speaker 2: the movie. I just have to jump back. He pulls
Speaker 2: himself out of this hole with a broken leg, with
Speaker 2: a piece of silver in his shirt, and he's pushing
Speaker 2: himself with one foot back to town, through the mountains.
Speaker 2: It shows you him push off on the ground and like, alright,
Speaker 2: this is going to take some time. But when I
Speaker 2: get there, I've got three pounds of silver in my shirt,
Speaker 2: and they show the silver miner place cutting him a
Speaker 2: check for $ 400.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And it's like, that's $ 400 for what he just put
Speaker 2: in right there.
Speaker 1: And he's laying on the ground with, like, a wood brace.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 1: That's probably not very effective.
Speaker 3: But also in 1898, $ 400. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And then, yeah, and they cut him a check, and
Speaker 2: it's like, next step, oil.
Speaker 3: The leg will fix itself.
Speaker 1: So I love, like, Daniel is not one of the
Speaker 1: type of guy. He's so driven. He's not one of
Speaker 1: the types of guys that's like, okay, you two do
Speaker 1: this for me because I'm not going to put myself
Speaker 1: in danger. So Daniel is like in the hole, like
Speaker 1: 50 feet down in the ground with another dude, just
Speaker 1: like getting oil out of the ground. And I thought like,
Speaker 1: this can't be good to just work in this hole,
Speaker 1: covered in, you're waist deep in oil, you're covered in oil.
Speaker 1: And 1902, they're using wooden planks beams that are like
Speaker 1: shoddily nailed together to lower down like heavy equipment. And shocker,
Speaker 1: the beams break and all the equipment comes tumbling down
Speaker 1: the hole. And there's just a really quick moment where
Speaker 1: I'm like, how did they shoot this? Where the hole
Speaker 1: is completely black. It's covered in oil. There's nothing else.
Speaker 1: They're covered head to toe in oil. The walls are oil.
Speaker 1: And when everything lands, you just see like a quick
Speaker 1: spray of red. And Daniel gets up, he's totally fine.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: It missed him, it hit the other guy. Hit the
Speaker 2: other guy. That's the situation he's in. He's, it's 50-50. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I'm down in this hole, dropping a spike with this
Speaker 2: guy over here who's my brother. Yeah. You know, and now,
Speaker 2: but if some tools fall out of the sky and
Speaker 2: he's dead, time to, you know, pull me out and
Speaker 2: we struck oil. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Also, I think it's amazing the technology this time was...
Speaker 3: They just had buckets. They just strung up and pulled up. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And they were pouring them into that small pit. Not
Speaker 2: very efficient.
Speaker 1: I think they had the technology to not do that,
Speaker 1: but I don't think his operation was at that point.
Speaker 3: But I think it's like a subtle idea of like...
Speaker 3: The next time you see him, how much things have changed.
Speaker 2: Yeah. We're at the very early stages.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: This is.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And the man who was killed was the guy who
Speaker 1: was holding a baby earlier. So Daniel is... Takes the
Speaker 1: guy's baby, is like bouncing it on his knee, and
Speaker 1: then the baby's crying. He's probably teething. So he dips
Speaker 1: a pacifier in whiskey. Whiskey is a big part of
Speaker 1: this movie. And gives it to the baby. So it's
Speaker 1: kind of like, oh, does he feel bad? Does he
Speaker 1: feel guilt? Is he adopting this baby?
Speaker 2: Someone's got to take care of this kid.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what are you going to do with the kid?
Speaker 1: And there's a lot of discussion about, did he only do...
Speaker 1: this for business purposes? I agree with Kevin. Kevin just
Speaker 1: did the so-so hand motion. We're not on video.
Speaker 2: Oh, there's not a video? What?
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1: We installed cameras all over your ceiling.
Speaker 2: Well, no, I didn't want to jump out and say,
Speaker 2: but yeah, it's probably both. It's probably like, we've got
Speaker 2: to do something with this kid. looking around at the options.
Speaker 2: All right, the kid's coming with me to town.
Speaker 1: Again, this is 1902, so he's going to do what
Speaker 1: with it? If he sends this kid away, this kid's fucked.
Speaker 2: He also has something there that nobody else has. He's
Speaker 2: an oil man that has a five-year-old partner. Yes.
Speaker 1: So part of it, I think, is for business purposes.
Speaker 3: The shot on the train is just the most like,
Speaker 3: soul-crushing thing when he has the baby and the baby's
Speaker 3: just like touching his face you're just like oh no
Speaker 3: yeah oh no but the weird thing is i'm actually
Speaker 3: really glad because like i had not seen this since
Speaker 3: it was in theaters this movie's whole perception is about
Speaker 3: how like soulless daniel is and then re-watching i was
Speaker 3: kind of like i actually think daniel genuinely loved hw.
Speaker 2: They're showing a scene there which is such a throwaway
Speaker 2: four second scene where you're like Yeah, it's like, man,
Speaker 2: this is, like, back then, you guys are on a
Speaker 2: train now with this orphan to go do God knows what.
Speaker 2: You know, and you're having to capture the moment we
Speaker 2: had on the train. Outside of that, I'm staring out
Speaker 2: the window, not talking, not looking at this kid at all.
Speaker 3: But also, I think, too, like you just said, like,
Speaker 3: what are they not showing you? Where, like, you said, like,
Speaker 3: with Daniel, the leg was broken, probably had to fucking
Speaker 3: crab walk 28 miles to get it cashed in. So
Speaker 3: he took this kid and said, oh, well, this kid's
Speaker 3: a good commodity. I'll sell it. He has to change
Speaker 3: this kid's diapers.
Speaker 1: Exactly.
Speaker 3: Do what you guys do every day. Yep. That's a
Speaker 3: lot of fucking work. Who's changing the diapers? If he
Speaker 3: didn't give a shit, he probably did, especially Daniel, he'd
Speaker 3: probably just throw him in a well and walk away.
Speaker 1: So my big hot take, which apparently is not a
Speaker 1: hot take because you just said it, is my notes
Speaker 1: were like, Daniel is a good dad and Daniel loves
Speaker 1: HW until the end. And I will defend Daniel's parenting
Speaker 1: even when things get bad.
Speaker 3: I think it's the idea of like, remember we saw
Speaker 3: Zone of Interest? And Zone of Interest ends with the
Speaker 3: guy who is the Nazi commander who runs the area
Speaker 3: they're in. And he's going to puke but doesn't puke?
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And people interpret it as like, oh, that's like his
Speaker 3: humanity because he talks to his wife that he went
Speaker 3: to this Nazi party event. And she was like, how
Speaker 3: was it? And he goes, all I could imagine was
Speaker 3: how I'd gas everybody in the zone. The wife is
Speaker 3: the villain of that movie. Yeah, she's terrible. But he
Speaker 3: just says, I have now been so reprogrammed by what
Speaker 3: I do, all I could imagine was how I'd kill
Speaker 3: everybody in this room. Even though there are people in
Speaker 3: the Nazi party. I just thought, oh, this is what
Speaker 3: this is like. You're watching someone who is deprogramming themselves,
Speaker 3: but how all the cracks happen along the way. Fascinating.
Speaker 1: This is the big famous speech.
Speaker 2: I'm an oil man. I'm an oil man.
Speaker 1: Um, he's giving a speech to a group of people, uh,
Speaker 1: in a town. I'm a family man. This is my partner, HW.
Speaker 3: This is my son and my partner, which I love.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 1: Yes. And he's giving a speech to this town to
Speaker 1: try to convince them to, to convince the town to
Speaker 1: sell Daniel.
Speaker 2: Yeah. To sell. They've, there's been some oil has come
Speaker 2: to the surface or whatever. And there's probably, you know, 10,
Speaker 2: 20 groups of families, uh, That could potentially sell him
Speaker 2: those plots or lease him a rig there, a couple rigs,
Speaker 2: to see if he can strike oil. And he's trying
Speaker 2: to get an answer from them on, you know, or
Speaker 2: give them a presentation on going with him. And basically, like,
Speaker 2: all the confusion in the meeting house, you know, he's
Speaker 2: out now. He's like, this is not the way forward
Speaker 2: is with all this confusion. Yeah. You know, I'll go.
Speaker 2: I can see that. Yeah, no, that's it.
Speaker 1: They're too educated for him. Like, he wants to sort
Speaker 1: of swindle... Totally. He wants to swindle rubes. And these
Speaker 1: people are educated, they're angry, they're debating.
Speaker 2: Well, no, he wants to buy land where there's oil. Like,
Speaker 2: can you do that with 40 different families that are
Speaker 2: not aligned? Like, not really.
Speaker 1: And it's also, at this point, it says 1911.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 1: So he's like, I'm done. I'm like, no, thank you.
Speaker 1: Thank you for your time.
Speaker 3: Can we also point out one part of this scene, too?
Speaker 3: And again, we're millisecond picking this thing, but I love
Speaker 3: when he starts talking and does his whole speech. The
Speaker 3: camera just beelines to H.W. for the whole speech, and
Speaker 3: then it just goes back to Daniel. I never noticed
Speaker 3: that before. I was like, wow, this very famous speech
Speaker 3: from this movie does really not feature him a lot.
Speaker 2: And they just show H.W.
Speaker 3: 's face.
Speaker 2: That was so interesting.
Speaker 1: He mentions paying a $ 1, 000 bonus to a family, so
Speaker 1: I did an inflation calculator, and that is about $ 35, 000.
Speaker 2: Okay. Okay.
Speaker 1: So he says you get a $ 35, 000 signing bonus and
Speaker 1: you get one-sixth of the rights to the land. Like
Speaker 1: if I make money, you get one-sixth.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if I make six million, you get one million.
Speaker 3: Yes.
Speaker 1: But then again, this is in 1911 where like these
Speaker 1: contracts are not really followed. And like who knows if
Speaker 1: you're ever going to get paid. So someone– he's talking
Speaker 1: to this– I don't remember exactly. I think it's like
Speaker 1: a couple– And they ask, where is your wife? Because
Speaker 1: he has HW. And he says, my wife died in childbirth,
Speaker 1: which is not true.
Speaker 3: My note also was, brilliant response. No one will question you.
Speaker 2: Well, no. So he left that meeting and he's like, okay,
Speaker 2: I'm going to go meet with an individual family over
Speaker 2: here and try to buy their land. And the guy's
Speaker 2: sitting there with his wife kind of having a discussion.
Speaker 2: And he's talking about buying land. And she's like, where's
Speaker 2: this kid's mother? And he's just like, just to placate her.
Speaker 2: Perfect thing to say. There's no recourse. No, no, no.
Speaker 2: Because in 1911... They sold him the land.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: In 1911, that's totally reasonable. And also, like, wow, you're
Speaker 1: an oil businessman, and your wife died, and you're raising
Speaker 1: your son on your own? Like, what a great man
Speaker 1: you are.
Speaker 2: It just works out for you. Well, that's what I mean.
Speaker 2: He's the only oil man that has a five-year-old he's
Speaker 2: strutting around. Yep.
Speaker 1: The rest of them are married, which is a huge mistake.
Speaker 1: And then we are introduced to the one and only
Speaker 1: Paul Dano, who we've made fun of many times in
Speaker 1: this pod. Quentin Tarantino said he was a terrible actor.
Speaker 1: Too much controversy. I think Paul Dano's great, but I
Speaker 1: really hated his Riddler and the Batman with Robert Pattinson.
Speaker 1: Did you see that one? No. That's the most recent
Speaker 1: Batman movie. It's the Batman with Robert Pattinson. It's legitimately
Speaker 1: three hours long. Zoe Kravitz plays Catwoman, but he is
Speaker 1: a lot in that movie.
Speaker 2: And he's kind of a lot in this movie too
Speaker 2: but there's.
Speaker 1: It works you know also paul dano is playing a
Speaker 1: character named paul daniel day lewis is playing a character
Speaker 1: named daniel yeah um what if i told you paul
Speaker 1: paul says what if i told you i know a
Speaker 1: place where land could be bought cheaply but there's a
Speaker 1: lot of oil and then daniel says well tell me
Speaker 1: where the land is and we'll work something out awesome
Speaker 1: Kieran Hines. Kieran Hines? Kieran Hines.
Speaker 3: I thought it was Kieran. I could be wrong. Is it?
Speaker 1: Kieran Hines? Maybe. He's an Irish actor. He's Daniel's right-hand
Speaker 1: man in this movie.
Speaker 2: He's incredible.
Speaker 1: He's been in... He was in Munich. He played Julius
Speaker 1: Caesar in Rome. He played Mance Rayder in Game of Thrones.
Speaker 2: Um.
Speaker 1: Who your sister's dogs are named after. Yes.
Speaker 3: He's also the iconic character Steppenwolf from Justice League. Both versions.
Speaker 5: Um.
Speaker 1: Zack Snyder's Justice League, exactly.
Speaker 3: He's also in Glasgow? No, sorry, Glasgow.
Speaker 1: Belfast.
Speaker 3: Belfast, sorry.
Speaker 2: Jesus, my bad.
Speaker 1: It's really, really good.
Speaker 3: I love what Daniel says to Paul. He's like, here's $ 500.
Speaker 3: You tell me something worth hearing and it's yours. But
Speaker 3: also that's just such an insult because it's like, I
Speaker 3: think you're so dumb.
Speaker 2: This will just be enough for you.
Speaker 1: Well, he came in, yeah, he came in there and
Speaker 1: he was like 17 K.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Right. Well, he came, the kid came in there
Speaker 2: and he wanted $ 500. Yeah. Um, and all he had
Speaker 2: was information. This is a one-time transaction. If this, you know,
Speaker 2: like I gotta, I gotta find someone to bite on this. Yeah. Um,
Speaker 2: and he, he did, he, you know, he, he offered
Speaker 2: him 500 and he's the kid started talking and Daniel
Speaker 2: Day-Lewis is like, you know, he's now taking notes. He's like,
Speaker 2: now you're giving me all the right information. Yeah. At
Speaker 2: the end of that transaction, he's like, if you're, if
Speaker 2: I travel to this shithole city and this, all the
Speaker 2: information you told me isn't true.
Speaker 1: Don't say that about little Boston. Little Boston.
Speaker 2: You're a big fan of little Boston.
Speaker 1: Big fan of little Boston.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry. I didn't realize that. If I travel to
Speaker 2: this city and everything you told me is not true,
Speaker 2: I'm going to come back and basically I'm going to
Speaker 2: take my money and I'm going to kill you. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: He says, I think Paul asked him at this point,
Speaker 1: what church do you belong to?
Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
Speaker 1: And he says, what, Kevin?
Speaker 2: He says, I love all faiths. I don't have a favorite.
Speaker 1: It's like when people ask Trump, what's your favorite Bible passage?
Speaker 1: And he said, all of them are good.
Speaker 3: The whole book's great.
Speaker 2: Both of them. Both testaments are fantastic.
Speaker 1: And he's asking probing questions. And Paul's like, I'm not stupid.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to answer these. And he says, are
Speaker 1: there alkali deposits nearby or sulfur deposits? And Paul says,
Speaker 1: there's definitely alkali, but I don't know about sulfur. And
Speaker 1: then eventually he's like, okay, fine, I'm going to pay you.
Speaker 1: And Paul says, it's in Little Boston. Paul Sunday is
Speaker 1: his name. And they were like, what about the water there?
Speaker 1: And Paul says, the water's really salty. and daniel's like
Speaker 1: oh that's good that's good um and then daniel decides
Speaker 1: completely unrelated to oil he decides to go hunting for
Speaker 1: quail wow weird yeah So, Kevin, you love this part.
Speaker 1: So what does Daniel do at this point?
Speaker 2: Oh, it's great. Well, first of all, he rolls out
Speaker 2: in a... What kind of car is that that he's
Speaker 2: driving at that point? What kind of cars are there?
Speaker 1: A Ford Model T.
Speaker 2: I was thinking, yeah, okay. So he's driving out there
Speaker 2: in the nicest car that is made at the time
Speaker 2: in wherever he was. Where was he before this? In Wisconsin?
Speaker 2: I don't even know. Arizona?
Speaker 3: When they were first talking?
Speaker 2: Yeah. Anyway, he's driving through the desert in the nicest
Speaker 2: car they make at this time. parks in the middle
Speaker 2: of nowhere follows this kid's directions that he just bought
Speaker 2: for $ 500 with his son with you know all the
Speaker 2: gear for you know camping and quail hunting and you
Speaker 2: know robbing people blind and everything you need and he
Speaker 2: walks through the little sheep passage and ends up at
Speaker 2: these people's door who are the family of the kid
Speaker 2: that had just come to meet with him who sold
Speaker 2: out his family yeah the Sunday ranch and he he
Speaker 2: tells the guy that's living there they're just there to
Speaker 2: hunt and The guy welcomes them with open arms, gives
Speaker 2: them a place, gives them goat milk, water, whatever, and
Speaker 2: they go set off looking to see if there's oil
Speaker 2: in these hills.
Speaker 1: Sorry to interrupt you, but I think it's just adorable
Speaker 1: that back at this time in 1911, if some stranger
Speaker 1: showed up in your yard and they were like, Hi,
Speaker 1: can you feed us dinner and we'll sleep.
Speaker 3: In your yard?
Speaker 1: And you're like, yes, that's fine.
Speaker 2: You found the right place.
Speaker 3: The family is so... I'll describe it best. Disgustingly nice.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 3: So they have that whole conversation about what we're doing,
Speaker 3: what we're camping for, whatever. When Daniel and H.W. are
Speaker 3: going to walk off to set up their camp, the
Speaker 3: guy says off camera, I'm so sorry we don't have
Speaker 3: any bread. I just go, I'm like, Daniel must be
Speaker 3: just grinning because this guy is the definition of a
Speaker 3: perfect mark. I showed up on his turf here to
Speaker 3: invade and he's apologizing to me. Like insane.
Speaker 1: I was thinking about not to totally go down a
Speaker 1: crazy sidetrack, but I was thinking about like pro wrestling
Speaker 1: and how these stories you hear from pro wrestlers, you
Speaker 1: can never believe if they're true. And it's like, why
Speaker 1: is that? And it's these people come from carnival culture.
Speaker 1: Like they're liars. So Daniel is a very wealthy, legitimate,
Speaker 1: successful version of a snake oil salesman.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: He's controlling every situation he's in. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And, and the reason they don't have bread is they're like,
Speaker 1: we can't, we don't have, we don't have milk.
Speaker 2: He's like, no, of course you don't have bread because
Speaker 2: of all the oil.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: We can't, we can't, we can't, we can't grow, um,
Speaker 1: grain to make bread. We don't have milk from cows
Speaker 1: cause we can't feed the cows cause we can't grow
Speaker 1: anything to feed them. And Daniel knows, Oh, this is
Speaker 1: like the perfect terrain for oil. That's why you can't
Speaker 1: grow anything.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Um, and they meet. So Paul, they think it's Paul.
Speaker 1: Approaches them.
Speaker 2: It was a crazy scene to re-watch the last 16
Speaker 2: times I've seen this movie. Paul Dano approaches them. At first,
Speaker 2: even as the person watching the movie, you go, the
Speaker 2: same kid that sold him the land is now working
Speaker 2: at this farm again? Yeah, yeah. That's what it is,
Speaker 2: but they're playing a trick just on the person watching.
Speaker 2: You have to be following what's going on here. And
Speaker 2: even they exchange glances, H.W. and Daniel Day-Lewis, and the
Speaker 2: kid is showing like, I think I understand what just
Speaker 2: happened here. This freak has a twin brother. Like how
Speaker 2: many of those do you see back then?
Speaker 3: At that time of like the world, like you're like,
Speaker 3: how many twins have you seen?
Speaker 2: Zero. That was the only twins.
Speaker 3: You can't imagine that's real.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: It's like, wait, what?
Speaker 1: So he approaches them and he goes like, hi. And
Speaker 1: they're looking at him like, hello, Paul. But they don't
Speaker 1: say anything. And he goes, I'm Eli. And they go, oh,
Speaker 1: this is the brother he mentioned.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So they just play it cool. And they go like, oh, hello,
Speaker 1: I'm quail hunting with my family. And they go to
Speaker 1: dinner with the family in their home, and Daniel's like,
Speaker 1: you have a lovely property, I want to hunt quail here.
Speaker 1: And he says, I will give you $ 3, 700 for this
Speaker 1: property in your land.
Speaker 2: Well, they went out hunting first, and H.W. tripped over
Speaker 2: some oil that was coming out of the ground.
Speaker 1: Yes, that's true.
Speaker 2: And so they're like, they're high-fiving Daniel. while they're on
Speaker 2: their quail hunting trip. And then they're like, all right,
Speaker 2: let's go have dinner with these people.
Speaker 1: So Eli says, no, we're not going to do a 3,700.
Speaker 1: There's oil on this land and we want $ 10, 000. And
Speaker 1: I want you to donate it to the church. I
Speaker 1: want $ 5, 000 for the land and 5,000 for the church.
Speaker 1: And so that would be about 350 K roughly. So
Speaker 1: not bad. And, um, Daniel's like, sure.
Speaker 3: Fine.
Speaker 1: And then Eli wants to pray with them and they
Speaker 1: hold hands. And you can tell that Daniel's like, praying
Speaker 1: type at this point you see the yank right yeah
Speaker 1: yeah he's not all he's all first of all he's
Speaker 1: not a hold hands guy no kevin you're not a
Speaker 1: hold hands guy.
Speaker 2: I learned that i learned that the hard way i
Speaker 2: mean i don't know if i'm a hardcore no hand
Speaker 2: holding guy but you know do you hold hands with
Speaker 2: megan occasionally do you i'm a big like holding hands
Speaker 2: with my daughter guy but not like with other humans
Speaker 2: like who are my options to hold hands with megan Okay, no,
Speaker 2: but I mean, like, who else, like, what would really
Speaker 2: impress you, someone else that I'm holding hands with?
Speaker 3: Ryan.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like, oh, yeah.
Speaker 3: Me? Yep, here you go. Oh.
Speaker 1: Can we record the whole podcast?
Speaker 2: Well, the thing is, Ryan went open hand, Tim went
Speaker 2: five fingers.
Speaker 1: So we should make this, I want to make this
Speaker 1: the photo of the pod. That's not necessary. So I
Speaker 1: have tiny little baby hands, and Kevin has enormous NFL
Speaker 1: linebacker hands. I want to, can we, can't do this?
Speaker 2: Visually? What do you want to do? Sure.
Speaker 1: I want to go hand to hand.
Speaker 2: Holy shit.
Speaker 3: Oh, my God.
Speaker 1: I'm, like, such a pathetic, like, weak... I'm such a weak,
Speaker 1: pathetic little... This is, like, a father and daughter... This
Speaker 1: is me and Cece. What happened? This is me and Cece.
Speaker 2: What did you do? Whatever makes you happy. What did
Speaker 2: you eat? What did I eat?
Speaker 3: Oh, God.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm gonna make this a photo of the... This
Speaker 1: is disgusting. This is something wrong with the person who
Speaker 1: has these hands. Anyways, um... so uh okay go ahead so.
Speaker 3: Recording yeah sorry yeah of course pause for the photo
Speaker 3: when they pull the hand away that's when the business
Speaker 3: starts now here we go.
Speaker 2: The music i wouldn't even describe the music as music
Speaker 2: like with music you this is all it's it was
Speaker 2: kind of again like playing tricks on you because it's
Speaker 2: just like it's just it's hitting a different chord in
Speaker 2: your in your brain at least the energy Yeah, the
Speaker 2: weird energy. I hated it, but it's also, it's like
Speaker 2: very fitting for the movie.
Speaker 3: It's like the curdling is starting. Yeah, oh man.
Speaker 1: The curdling is very true.
Speaker 2: It's also, you're thinking to yourself like, oh God, I
Speaker 2: hope this doesn't get too much worse than this. Because
Speaker 2: this is already like.
Speaker 1: Sure does.
Speaker 3: But also, when the music kind of like, we'll see
Speaker 3: it later, but when the music is so good, like building, building, building,
Speaker 3: and then like, when the music doesn't melt, I'll describe
Speaker 3: it that way, it's like, It is right because it's
Speaker 3: not so much like melting for tragedy or melting for sadness.
Speaker 3: It's more just like, oh, man, this.
Speaker 2: Is just– The pace.
Speaker 3: It's just getting better.
Speaker 2: It keeps up with the pace. It's brutal.
Speaker 1: So next he goes to the real estate agent in
Speaker 1: town who's played by the legend Jim Downey.
Speaker 3: Let's go.
Speaker 1: Who is the head– He's from Billy Madison, the game
Speaker 1: show host. He's the head writer on SNL for decades.
Speaker 1: He's amazing. He co-wrote Weekend Update with Norm MacDonald, a
Speaker 1: great Conor O'Brien podcast– Hilarious. With Jim Downey.
Speaker 3: Oh, my God. So funny.
Speaker 1: One of my favorite parts of that podcast is they're
Speaker 1: talking about something, finances or something, and Jim Downey says, Conan,
Speaker 1: do you know Jeffrey Epstein, the New York financier? And
Speaker 1: then Conan goes, Jeffrey Epstein, yes. The man who's arrested
Speaker 1: for sex trafficking? And then Downey just acts really confused
Speaker 1: and goes, no, I'm talking about he's a finance guy,
Speaker 1: the New York financier. I don't think you got in
Speaker 1: any trouble for that. And Conan was like, he very
Speaker 1: much did. And he was like, I think you're talking
Speaker 1: about something else.
Speaker 2: Hold on.
Speaker 1: Let me call my friend Ghislaine Maxwell and we'll settle
Speaker 1: this once and for all. And then Conan goes, don't
Speaker 1: call Ghislaine Maxwell.
Speaker 3: I love, uh, Gourley on that show, one of the co-hosts.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Has his own show. And to, he always talks about
Speaker 3: his own show. How about how like, he's like, my
Speaker 3: face was hurting. Cause like you were like, You just
Speaker 3: truly didn't believe if he knew if it was real
Speaker 3: or not.
Speaker 2: Like, it was amazing.
Speaker 1: But anyways, he's Al.
Speaker 5: Al?
Speaker 3: Al.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And he's like.
Speaker 2: I mean, he's literally only in the movie for maybe
Speaker 2: three minutes. Is that tops?
Speaker 3: In total, but spread out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, spread out. I mean, so he's not... But he
Speaker 2: had like one of the... How do you have one
Speaker 2: of the biggest roles in the movie when you're in
Speaker 2: it for three minutes?
Speaker 3: Well, this... It's funny. When you look at the Wikipedia,
Speaker 3: this movie's cast is what, like 14 people?
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Total it's very small for speaking roles yeah and.
Speaker 2: They said there was only two scenes that daniel day
Speaker 2: lewis was not in um.
Speaker 1: Uh one is when they flash back to the peach
Speaker 1: tree dance and then what's the other what's.
Speaker 3: The other scene you're jumping ahead.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah hw and mary so he says uh yeah
Speaker 1: this this jim down is a real estate agent this
Speaker 1: could be got this could be got this could be
Speaker 1: got and daniel says is there anything can everything around
Speaker 1: here be got and he says sure.
Speaker 2: This real estate agent is ready to sell out the
Speaker 2: entire town for a commission check.
Speaker 1: That's his job. And so then these oil guys arrive
Speaker 1: by train because they heard about this. But Daniel's already
Speaker 1: all over it. He's been there. And this guy, Gene,
Speaker 1: he runs into. And I love this. Because this is like,
Speaker 1: I kind of experienced this in my job because I
Speaker 1: will go to an event for one of my clients
Speaker 1: and the people at my role at other companies will
Speaker 1: be at the same event and then they'll like awkwardly
Speaker 1: talk to me. So he sees Gene and he was like, Gene,
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, if you're looking for oil, you got
Speaker 1: to go east. And you're like, nope, like go west.
Speaker 1: If Daniel's telling you to go east, go west. And
Speaker 1: he says, I don't want the other guys to get it.
Speaker 1: If it was anybody that would get it other than me,
Speaker 1: I'd want it to be you, Gene. And then Gene
Speaker 1: says to HW, Hey, don't get swindled by your dad.
Speaker 3: He might be the only person who cares about his.
Speaker 1: No, Kieran Hines definitely did.
Speaker 3: He definitely did.
Speaker 2: It's actually heartbreaking to watch. The visuals of this, though,
Speaker 2: just even the costumes and the way the train's coming in,
Speaker 2: it's super old-looking, 100 years old-looking. Oh, my God. And again,
Speaker 2: this is a throwaway scene that transforms you into a
Speaker 2: place where you're like, you can smell the freaking smoke
Speaker 2: coming off the train in this scene.
Speaker 3: You can feel the movie.
Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
Speaker 1: You know how you and I totally... Like, completely hypnotized
Speaker 1: Kevin and got him into Ari Aster.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think a director that we need to get Kevin
Speaker 1: into is Robert Eggers.
Speaker 2: Oh, you'll love it.
Speaker 1: The attention to detail is psychotic.
Speaker 3: I think, maybe also, too, like, I was thinking, like,
Speaker 3: watching this movie made me think of the proposition with, like,
Speaker 3: early John Hillcoat, where, like, the proposition is, like... Have
Speaker 3: you ever.
Speaker 1: Seen The Proposition? It's a Western.
Speaker 2: I don't think so.
Speaker 1: It's so good.
Speaker 3: The music alone makes you feel dirty.
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 3: The movie is so filthy.
Speaker 2: It's great. So.
Speaker 1: So then Al says to Daniel, we got to buy
Speaker 1: the bandit tract. The bandit tract, he's a holdout.
Speaker 2: You're going to want that.
Speaker 1: You're going to want that. He wants to talk to you.
Speaker 1: And then Daniel's like, I'm not going to talk to him.
Speaker 1: He can come to me. He'll want to buy just
Speaker 1: like everybody. He'll want to sell just like everybody else.
Speaker 1: So he's giving a speech. And I think this is
Speaker 1: really important because Daniel, as you'll come to find out,
Speaker 1: not a huge fan of humans. of relationships of like
Speaker 1: being a part of a community and when he's selling
Speaker 1: the people here in the scene in the town he's
Speaker 1: he's not like hey we're gonna get oil and you're
Speaker 1: all gonna get money that's not what he's saying he's
Speaker 1: saying once we get the oil and the money comes
Speaker 1: in we're gonna build a school we're gonna build an
Speaker 1: irrigation system you can have grain you can have bread
Speaker 1: he's selling them on like your town and community you'll
Speaker 1: all be happier and closer and better and and it's
Speaker 1: all bullshit. He's not going to build a fucking irrigation system.
Speaker 2: Who was trying to sell the monorail to Springfield?
Speaker 1: So that's based on a movie called The Music Man,
Speaker 1: but I have a note that he literally, literally right here,
Speaker 1: Lyle Landley.
Speaker 2: Amazing.
Speaker 1: I wrote that right there. The monorail, this is written
Speaker 1: by Conan O'Brien.
Speaker 2: Because that was Phil Hartman did that, right?
Speaker 1: Yes. Lyle Landley goes to Springfield to sell them on
Speaker 1: the monorail. And I wrote right here, you can see it,
Speaker 1: Daniel is Lyle Landley.
Speaker 2: It's amazing. It's amazing. Because even in, they were making
Speaker 2: a mockery of that in The Simpsons where they were
Speaker 2: making it so over the top. But it reminds me,
Speaker 2: I have to tell this. A friend of mine was,
Speaker 2: he told me the story of buying a condo in
Speaker 2: Museum Way in Cambridge in like the late 90s. Okay.
Speaker 2: And the presentation that they got, this is now over by,
Speaker 2: it's like, it's like a quarter mile up the Zaken Bridge. Okay.
Speaker 2: This presentation they had, he said it showed like a pinwheel,
Speaker 2: like a monorail taking you from the city back and forth.
Speaker 2: This is 25 years ago. This just still isn't there now. Yeah.
Speaker 2: But the implication was when you're seeing that is this,
Speaker 2: you're going to be so far from where you want
Speaker 2: to be that we're going to have to build an
Speaker 2: infrastructure to get you there just for you to be
Speaker 2: content living out here.
Speaker 3: Hey guys, the future's already here.
Speaker 1: And, uh, Eli asks, this is so the monorail guy.
Speaker 1: He goes, will the road you're building lead to the church?
Speaker 1: And he says, that's the first place it'll lead to.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And also, the end of the monorail song is
Speaker 2: the best part by far, which is monorail, monorail, monorail.
Speaker 1: Mono-do. Main Street's still all cracked and broken. Sorry, Mom,
Speaker 1: the mob has spoken.
Speaker 2: Homer misses. The mob has spoken. I forgot Homer missed
Speaker 2: the line.
Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, mono-do. Homer being the monorail conductor Dad I
Speaker 1: opened up the breaker panel in your monorail booth and
Speaker 1: it was filled with a family of possums and then
Speaker 1: Homer says I call the big one bitey bitey so
Speaker 1: you know he's messed with it and it bit him
Speaker 1: but when they start to object Lyle Landley says sorry
Speaker 1: this is more of a Shelbyville idea and they go like.
Speaker 2: No no no do you remember what was the line
Speaker 2: that that episode ended with.
Speaker 1: That the episode ended with. I don't know.
Speaker 2: Ryguy? Not sure.
Speaker 3: He's way better than me with Simpsons stuff, yeah.
Speaker 2: I could be mistaken, but I think Homer throws the
Speaker 2: hook out the window to stop the monorail and catches
Speaker 2: in the donut.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And he says, donuts, is there anything they can't do?
Speaker 1: That is not the last. I believe that when the
Speaker 1: outro is Marge is saying, and that's the last mistake
Speaker 1: Springfield ever made, Until they did this. And they showed
Speaker 1: some other horrible thing that they did right after.
Speaker 2: You're probably right. Definitely right.
Speaker 1: Going back to Batman for a second. And a fucking
Speaker 1: amazing line in that episode. Was when Marge gets a
Speaker 1: scientist who can actually help them.
Speaker 3: To stop the monorail.
Speaker 1: And she calls Homer. And she goes, Homer, I got
Speaker 1: someone to help us.
Speaker 3: Batman?
Speaker 1: No, it's a scientist. Batman's a scientist? It's not Batman. Okay.
Speaker 1: So Eli says, well, you know. Daniel, when you open
Speaker 1: the well and it pumps out oil for the first time,
Speaker 1: I think it's a really important moment for me as
Speaker 1: the pastor of the town to bless the oil well.
Speaker 1: And can we do that together? And Daniel's like, sounds great.
Speaker 1: I would love to.
Speaker 2: We'll meet you up there. How about 7, 730?
Speaker 1: He says, he says four o'clock and he goes four o'clock.
Speaker 3: It is.
Speaker 2: Let's make it four.
Speaker 3: I love, I also love Eli's about to say something
Speaker 3: and Daniel just goes, thank you for your visit. I'm done.
Speaker 3: That was great.
Speaker 1: So Mary, who's the little girl in the Sunday family,
Speaker 1: and this is like a moment where like, oh, Daniel's
Speaker 1: a human? So Daniel's clearly drunk, but he's.
Speaker 3: Everyone's drinking normally. He's drinking out of the flask and bottle.
Speaker 1: The flask. But he knows Mary's dad. H.W. said, my
Speaker 1: friend Mary, who I met in town, the Sunday girl,
Speaker 1: she said her dad beats her.
Speaker 2: If she doesn't pray.
Speaker 1: If she doesn't pray. So then.
Speaker 2: Daniel.
Speaker 1: takes Mary and puts her on his lap, and you're like,
Speaker 1: what is he doing?
Speaker 2: It's so much more awkward than this.
Speaker 1: But he's right next to the girl's dad.
Speaker 2: So there's... I've seen this so many times, and I
Speaker 2: asked you about this earlier, and you're like, save that
Speaker 2: for the pod. And I'm like, eesh, because that's going to...
Speaker 2: I want to talk about this on the podcast, because
Speaker 2: I have no idea what's going on there. You know,
Speaker 2: he is such a non-human, like involved in society in
Speaker 2: any way. that he thinks he's going to take this
Speaker 2: opportunity when he's plastered in the middle of the night,
Speaker 2: in the middle of the town, to grab this little
Speaker 2: girl that's running by him and have a one-off conversation
Speaker 2: with her in front of her dad. And then he
Speaker 2: tells her when he lets her go, now go off
Speaker 2: and play and don't come back, is what he tells her.
Speaker 2: I'm going to solve this and I don't want to
Speaker 2: see you again.
Speaker 1: But he does say, like, your dad's not going to
Speaker 1: beat you anymore, right? Now that we have the oil here, like,
Speaker 1: everything's good. Your dad's not going to beat you. And
Speaker 1: then he kind of turns and, like, looks at him. Like,
Speaker 1: I know what you're fucking doing and you're going to stop.
Speaker 1: So even though it's very twisted and weird the way
Speaker 1: he approaches it.
Speaker 2: It's his kind of, he's trying to, this is him
Speaker 2: trying to do something nice.
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 3: But also, like, what's amazing when you watch that scene,
Speaker 3: if you watch Married. She's genuinely mortified.
Speaker 2: She's terrified. She's terrified.
Speaker 3: And then he, what's so evil about it, even though,
Speaker 3: of course, what her dad is doing to her is awful,
Speaker 3: he's saying it out loud to her.
Speaker 2: That there's going to be no more hitting, okay?
Speaker 3: And he's just rubbing her hands.
Speaker 6: And she's like, okay, you're right. And are you glad
Speaker 6: I came here? And then all they do is cut
Speaker 6: to the dad, and the dad is just crumbling, hearing
Speaker 6: it and being like, oh, this monster is in charge.
Speaker 1: I'm fucked.
Speaker 3: Again, what you're doing is wrong.
Speaker 2: But it's also, it's like, Daniel, your bedside manner with
Speaker 2: this town is not terrific. No. You know?
Speaker 3: I think in his inhuman mind, it's like, I'm doing
Speaker 3: the right thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah. But also, it's not.
Speaker 3: It doesn't matter. The nature is not.
Speaker 2: I didn't know that was a thing. I thought that was, again,
Speaker 2: like you think some things are throwaway scenes the first
Speaker 2: time you see them, and then later on you go, oof,
Speaker 2: that kind of rubbed me the wrong way.
Speaker 3: My thinking is this, why, like, When they hold things
Speaker 3: on one shot, they don't cut away. You're telling us,
Speaker 3: I'm spending time on this. I'm spending your time as
Speaker 3: if you were on this.
Speaker 2: Why?
Speaker 3: What are you trying to tell me?
Speaker 1: Not in a bad way. This is a very... I
Speaker 1: don't want to say slow movie. It takes its time.
Speaker 3: It does, which is great.
Speaker 1: In a good way.
Speaker 3: Because the build is great. And even though it never,
Speaker 3: to me, until we get to a later scene, it
Speaker 3: never feels fast. But for a long movie, it does
Speaker 3: move really well. Because also, they make you sit with
Speaker 3: a lot of the decisions that happen in the movie.
Speaker 7: Yes.
Speaker 3: To me. Yes. They aren't like, wow, at the end
Speaker 3: you're like, holy shit, this was such a rollercoaster train wreck.
Speaker 3: We just watched this tragic thing happen. It's like, well, no,
Speaker 3: we're kind of going to phase by phase, step by step,
Speaker 3: show you this is how this human disintegrates as they
Speaker 3: make these choices.
Speaker 5: And you see how the things fall apart around them.
Speaker 5: Then you also see in a very darkly positive way
Speaker 5: some of the good things that happen for the people
Speaker 5: around them or how they react to him.
Speaker 2: It's interesting, yeah.
Speaker 1: So, come four o'clock, Eli shows up to bless the
Speaker 1: well in front of the town, and Daniel's giving a speech,
Speaker 1: and you're waiting for him to introduce Eli, and he
Speaker 1: just never does.
Speaker 2: I was not waiting for him to introduce Eli. Anybody
Speaker 2: that was watching the thing, he's going to let this
Speaker 2: guy bless the well, it's like, you missed the mark.
Speaker 3: Because when Eli's telling him, like, how to introduce him,
Speaker 3: I was kind of like, uh.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And I'm like, I'm not sure it's going to go
Speaker 3: this way. And of course, I love, again, this movie's
Speaker 3: so funny that he said, like, when he is like,
Speaker 3: Eli's like, so, like, when you introduce me, he's like,
Speaker 3: you've brought a lot to this town, like, you're the pastor,
Speaker 3: you're the voice of the people, and they just cut
Speaker 3: back to Daniel, and he's just like, yeah, he's like, like,
Speaker 3: none of this is real.
Speaker 2: He's like, oh, yes, oh, yeah, of course.
Speaker 3: I'll do it in a minute, and he doesn't do,
Speaker 3: and also, he takes all of his best lines as
Speaker 3: his own. He's like, I know you're a town of prayer.
Speaker 1: It's just unreal.
Speaker 3: It's so good.
Speaker 1: Uh, cut to the first time, we gotta keep track
Speaker 1: of this, Daniel is passed out face first on the floor, drunk, and, um,
Speaker 1: a man has died in the well. Mm-hmm. So he's
Speaker 1: woken up and he's like, Daniel, we lost a man
Speaker 1: in the well. So Daniel.
Speaker 2: So this guy's also... So he's in a community of
Speaker 2: how many people at this point? 150? At the most. Okay, 150.
Speaker 2: He's the richest guy in the town by leaps and bounds.
Speaker 2: There's nobody else that's even close.
Speaker 1: He owns the entire town. It's like you and me
Speaker 1: versus Bill Cuff.
Speaker 2: Probably not that far off. So.
Speaker 2: So he decides his most comfortable resting place is flat, drunk,
Speaker 2: on his belly, on a wooden floor. It's like a cabin.
Speaker 2: All I'm thinking to myself is there's no AC in there,
Speaker 2: but I don't think that was a thing back then.
Speaker 3: When you watch it, again, throughout the history of this movie,
Speaker 3: I guess they go through the time leaps.
Speaker 2: He just doesn't deserve a bed.
Speaker 3: As we all.
Speaker 2: Know, to end up asleep drunk on the floor, you
Speaker 2: have to take your last few drinks on the floor.
Speaker 2: You're committed to, like, this is where I'll be, and
Speaker 2: then I'll... I'll just say you have been committed. You
Speaker 2: are not committed.
Speaker 1: You are blacking out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you can't function anymore.
Speaker 1: You're not, like, getting really drunk.
Speaker 3: You are blacking out.
Speaker 2: No, you're also not drinking... You're not drinking, like, out
Speaker 2: of a glass anymore. At this point, you're just holding
Speaker 2: a bottle.
Speaker 1: Absolutely.
Speaker 7: Uh this is like a high school boy kind of
Speaker 7: blackout and um so he he wakes up he deals
Speaker 7: with he's like okay we're gonna have a funeral he
Speaker 7: handles it decently i guess and he has to involve
Speaker 7: eli because he knows like funeral church and he goes
Speaker 7: and eli is doing some really just gross faith healing
Speaker 7: yes like Oh.
Speaker 2: You are blind.
Speaker 1: I put my hand upon you and the Lord restores
Speaker 1: your sight. And you're just like.
Speaker 2: He's preying on the oldest woman in the congregation.
Speaker 3: They're going to heal her arthritis. This whole thing is
Speaker 3: about they both do.
Speaker 1: The same thing. They're both opposite sides of the same coin.
Speaker 1: They're both flim-flam men. Snake oil salesmen.
Speaker 2: But between the two of them, I'd choose Daniel. You
Speaker 2: can't really see how Paul Dano could have disdain for
Speaker 2: Daniel Day-Lewis. Like, he's out there splitting rocks to get
Speaker 2: to oil on the ground. He's out there working with
Speaker 2: his hands. You know, this guy's a snake oil salesman.
Speaker 2: You know, like, Paul Dano's not really in a position
Speaker 2: to judge Daniel Day-Lewis, but you can see how Daniel
Speaker 2: Day-Lewis could be coming to their head-to-head conversations with, you know,
Speaker 2: maybe a legitimate gripe about this guy.
Speaker 3: I mean.
Speaker 1: No, you go ahead.
Speaker 2: Please.
Speaker 1: Well, I obviously hate all religion, but I'm more on
Speaker 1: Daniel's side because I can't defend Daniel. He's an awful guy,
Speaker 1: but he's doing a tangible thing. He's going in the ground,
Speaker 1: pulling oil out.
Speaker 2: So he's working on his hands.
Speaker 1: And selling it to a company. Even if he had
Speaker 1: other men do it. He's still going to the ground,
Speaker 1: getting oil out, sending it to a company. It's a physical,
Speaker 1: tangible thing. Eli is talking promises and ether and fairy dust.
Speaker 1: And that, I don't respect that.
Speaker 3: Both are selling false hope. Yes. Daniel's is more practical
Speaker 3: because you can see the results. What bothers me about
Speaker 3: Eli's is, which I think is actually a great thing
Speaker 3: about the Paul Dana performance, is like, what you're promising
Speaker 3: is truly supernatural. Yes. That no one can promise.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 3: And I feel like, again, as Tim brought up the
Speaker 3: whole idea about the Tarantino commentary about it, was like,
Speaker 3: That actually is kind of, to me, the smart move
Speaker 3: of the performance is like, of course this guy's underwhelming.
Speaker 3: What he's saying, what he's doing, a human can't do.
Speaker 3: So of course it's going to look like fraudulent. And
Speaker 3: of course Daniel's going to hate it. But here's the thing.
Speaker 3: The people Daniel needs, Eli has control over.
Speaker 2: That's the whole point. Yes.
Speaker 3: And it's like, that's the idea.
Speaker 2: That took me a few times to figure that out. That, like, he's, like,
Speaker 2: Daniel needs... They cover it in the movie, but I
Speaker 2: don't think I really caught it the first time.
Speaker 1: You gotta play the game, like, yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, it's like, well, he says to him, he asks him,
Speaker 2: he's like, the guy that died was a man of faith.
Speaker 2: He believed in your bullshit.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Okay? So, I'm gonna need you to bless his funeral
Speaker 2: and say some positive things and move us on from this.
Speaker 2: Send the men back to work. And Paul Dano's like,
Speaker 2: he's like, well, you know, we... you know, we need,
Speaker 2: I've seen some men drinking on the job, you know,
Speaker 2: and maybe they're working too many hours and not coming
Speaker 2: to church, and Daniel Day-Lewis is like, listen, if they're
Speaker 2: not up there 12 hours a day, then there's not
Speaker 2: going to be money blown through this town, you know,
Speaker 2: which never ends up happening anyway, but.
Speaker 3: But do you think the movie does a good job
Speaker 3: of being like, okay, because, quote-unquote, like, Eli doesn't bless it,
Speaker 3: bad shit continues to happen.
Speaker 2: Well, that's the whole thing about religion and looking up
Speaker 2: at the sun god and everything else is like, Good
Speaker 2: things are going to happen. Bad things are going to happen.
Speaker 2: When something good happens, I was there. When something bad happens,
Speaker 2: you should have done this. And that's what Daniel Day-Lewis knows. Like, listen,
Speaker 2: I broke my leg when there was, you know, like
Speaker 2: I fell down a well. We lost tools. Fires went off.
Speaker 2: People died. Like these things are happening. It's an oil job,
Speaker 2: you know, an oil site.
Speaker 1: But Daniel knows there's PR to every company. And Daniel
Speaker 1: knows as much as he hates it. He goes, Eli,
Speaker 1: will you say some words about this dead man? And
Speaker 1: then he says the line that we mentioned earlier, well,
Speaker 1: that was one goddamn hell of a show.
Speaker 2: So great.
Speaker 1: So great. So great. Next is there's a guy.
Speaker 2: Daniel Day-Lewis is looking at the entire church thing as
Speaker 2: this is just a performance.
Speaker 1: He's a scam artist, and he knows a scammer.
Speaker 2: He's a scam artist, yeah.
Speaker 1: He's a schemer, as the Joker would say, and he
Speaker 1: knows a schemer when he sees one. So he's like, yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: I'm scamming this town, but I know what you are.
Speaker 1: and I'm not going to be scammed by you. This
Speaker 1: is so ridiculous. And he has no respect for it, because, like,
Speaker 1: I'm building this wooden structure and putting it into the ground.
Speaker 1: You're just talking.
Speaker 3: Well, he's also used to other scammers, like other people
Speaker 3: in his business, quote-unquote, breaking the fourth wall.
Speaker 2: Like, you're like, okay, wait.
Speaker 3: You have to present this to the people who don't
Speaker 3: know what they're doing. Now we talk.
Speaker 2: Eli doesn't do that.
Speaker 3: And that's also what drives him insane.
Speaker 1: So they're pumping oil next, and then all of a sudden...
Speaker 1: There's like a rumbling and a man screams, gas, gas!
Speaker 1: And there's an explosion. H.W., Daniel's son, was watching the
Speaker 1: pumping and he's blown back in this explosion. It's raining oil.
Speaker 1: Daniel runs out and he says, hand me H.W. And
Speaker 1: they hand him H.W. He runs holding H.W. He's saying,
Speaker 1: were you hit in the head? Were you hit in
Speaker 1: the head? And H.W. can talk. He says, no, I
Speaker 1: can't hear my own voice. And Daniel says, well, stay here.
Speaker 1: He knows, like, okay, H.W. 's not going to die.
Speaker 1: He's fine. So he says, stay here. And H.W. 's saying,
Speaker 1: don't leave, don't leave. And then Daniel leaves, and there's
Speaker 1: now an oil fire, the oil derrick fire. Kieran Hines
Speaker 1: comes out, and he's like, oh, shit, like, fuck, this
Speaker 1: is a huge mess. There's a gas explosion. There's a fire. Oh,
Speaker 1: my God. And then Daniel says, why are you looking
Speaker 1: so miserable? There's an ocean of oil beneath our feet.
Speaker 2: And I control it all.
Speaker 1: And I control it all. And then Daniel says to
Speaker 1: Kieran Hines, HW okay? And he says, no. No, sorry.
Speaker 1: Other way around. Kieran Hines says, is HW okay? Kieran
Speaker 1: Hines cares about HW.
Speaker 3: And then Kieran Hines leaves when Daniel says no.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he goes, no, he isn't okay. And then he goes,
Speaker 1: where's HW? Mess room. So then Kieran Hines... Runs out
Speaker 1: to the mess room. Not Daniel. Daniel's just enjoying... Also.
Speaker 3: The music here is just fucking... I don't.
Speaker 2: Know how to describe it.
Speaker 3: It's on an 11, yeah. But it's just like... It's
Speaker 3: just showing again. It's the reprogramming. It's my greatest success
Speaker 3: in my worst. like, I truly proved, like he said,
Speaker 3: there's a fucking ocean of oil here, this will be
Speaker 3: the richest deposit.
Speaker 2: Of my life. And Kieran Hines, I'm sorry, yeah, go ahead. No.
Speaker 2: I'm like, Kieran Hines, I didn't even know who that was,
Speaker 2: but he's been in a million things, but he's probably
Speaker 2: only in the movie, too, for about ten minutes.
Speaker 3: But good. Phenomenal.
Speaker 5: Yes.
Speaker 2: Absolutely phenomenal. He's so good. Every scene that he's in,
Speaker 2: he steals every scene he's in, and that's a tough
Speaker 2: thing to do. Some of the other actors do that,
Speaker 2: which is incredible.
Speaker 1: And you would think he's a better dad than Daniel,
Speaker 1: because is HW okay?
Speaker 2: No, he isn't.
Speaker 1: Where is he? Mess hall. Runs away.
Speaker 3: Just leaves.
Speaker 1: And Daniel, meanwhile, is just basking in how great is this?
Speaker 1: It's literally raining oil.
Speaker 3: I'm so rich. And then HW saying, don't leave me
Speaker 3: is so crushing to watch.
Speaker 2: So crushing.
Speaker 1: And Daniel just runs off.
Speaker 2: So crushing to watch.
Speaker 1: With that, HW just got his eardrums blown out. We're
Speaker 1: bringing this to a part two. Woo!
Speaker 2: And we're, what, 45 minutes into the movie? We're actually
Speaker 2: pretty decently into it.
Speaker 1: We're pretty decently into it. But thank you for listening,
Speaker 1: and we'll catch you on the.
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