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<v Speaker 2>As we come Margin Martin in the Beauty of the Day,

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<v Speaker 2>a million dark in kitchens, one thousand mil last grade

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<v Speaker 2>are bredden by the beauty. His sun Sun discloses and

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<v Speaker 2>the people heresing breaden roses, breaden Roses.

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<v Speaker 1>This was one sort of thing that I did want

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about in terms of this year, which is

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<v Speaker 1>especially like you can see now how kind of liberals

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<v Speaker 1>and center left people are pushing for their own destruction

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<v Speaker 1>in a way that is very reminiscent of the nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>twenties and thirties from all these kind of like social

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<v Speaker 1>Democrat and center left and center right to some extent

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<v Speaker 1>parties pushing to rearm Europe and strength in Europe's defenses

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<v Speaker 1>against Russia, especially in Germany, while at the same time

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<v Speaker 1>the far right is growing so so much so they're

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<v Speaker 1>pushing for the government to be given all of these

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<v Speaker 1>additional weapons and bigger militaries. France talking out potentially reintroducing

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<v Speaker 1>military service and all that, while the far right is

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<v Speaker 1>starting to take little bits of state power and places

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<v Speaker 1>and pushing towards getting state power nationally. Obviously in some

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<v Speaker 1>countries they have it already. And then the other day

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<v Speaker 1>or recently you see Labor in Britain, while Reform is

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<v Speaker 1>you know, almost certainly going to be the next government

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<v Speaker 1>because they're so far ahead in every opinion poll, the

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<v Speaker 1>Labor Party thinks and this is the best time to

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<v Speaker 1>get rid of the right to trial by jury.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that was like completely out of left field kind

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<v Speaker 3>of because you know, I was already thinking that the

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<v Speaker 3>prescription of Palestine action was already completely outlandish thing to

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<v Speaker 3>do with, you know, again, with the idea of a

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<v Speaker 3>reform government coming down the line, because okay, so you know,

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<v Speaker 3>as soon as you outlaw outlaw Palestine action.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, straight away you had like you know, various

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<v Speaker 4>think tanks being like, oh well yeah, parast that action.

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<v Speaker 4>They need to be banned. But you know there are

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<v Speaker 4>a couple of other groups that need to be banned

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<v Speaker 4>as well. And you know, then you see Trump's thing

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<v Speaker 4>about banning antifa, Antifa probably antiflawer I'm starting to pronounce

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<v Speaker 4>it by the Americans, and you just know that, you know, yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>like a reform government in the UK would just be like,

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<v Speaker 4>oh yeah, great, So the precedent has been set, let's

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<v Speaker 4>let's expand it further exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>And these like swivel eyed loons, they believe in all

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<v Speaker 1>this basically Nazi conspiracy theories like great Replacement theory and

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<v Speaker 1>cultural Marxism and all these things that were fringe Nazi

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<v Speaker 1>conspiracy theories like what three years ago, and now like

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<v Speaker 1>mainstream views held by the US government and so like

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<v Speaker 1>these people are going to get into power, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>And for all the things about the US kind of

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<v Speaker 1>going fascist, the fear of that and the talk about that,

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<v Speaker 1>in a lot of ways, the government system in the

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<v Speaker 1>UK is actually much more fragile and easy to kind

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<v Speaker 1>of subvert than the government in the US, which has

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<v Speaker 1>more checks and balances in it. Because in the UK,

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<v Speaker 1>like the government who wins the election, if they got

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<v Speaker 1>a majority, can they literally do whatever they want. So

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<v Speaker 1>if reform one like Trump did, could distill all the

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<v Speaker 1>stuff that Trump wanted to do, like just ban abortion

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<v Speaker 1>nationwide or something like that, fortunately to an exit. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>they are talking about restrictions on abortion and things like that,

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<v Speaker 1>but even on the far right, that's not a popular

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<v Speaker 1>policy in the UK. But if you have a majority,

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<v Speaker 1>you could do that if you wanted to. There's no

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<v Speaker 1>constitution or Supreme court that can really overturn that. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>obviously there is a Supreme Court, but that because there's

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<v Speaker 1>no constitution, they can't overturn very much. So they like

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<v Speaker 1>they could just cite great replacement theory and say that

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<v Speaker 1>being a member of the Labor Party is treason, like

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<v Speaker 1>they literally talk about like these these people as being

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<v Speaker 1>treason us, like Keir Starmer and that government as being

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<v Speaker 1>trees and near betrayed the country and whatever, and they

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<v Speaker 1>could literally just do that and Labor are like, oh, yes, please,

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<v Speaker 1>let's bring in all these laws and strengthen all these

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<v Speaker 1>institutions which could be used to ban us and throw

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<v Speaker 1>us all into camps and never not let us have

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<v Speaker 1>a jury try and never get out. And it's like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it's like please please, you know, it would

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<v Speaker 1>be kind of just ridiculous, and if it wasn't so

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<v Speaker 1>absolutely terrifying.

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<v Speaker 5>And there's just like there's so much stuff Like it's

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<v Speaker 5>seeing like, you know, all the all the stuff that

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<v Speaker 5>the current government are doing, thinking that that will steal

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<v Speaker 5>the reform vote.

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<v Speaker 4>It's like imagine if you've got the loo, like an

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<v Speaker 4>anti migrant to the loo, and the form are blowing

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<v Speaker 4>into it and blowing it up, you know, blowing it

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<v Speaker 4>up really really big, you know, and you're like, gosh,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, we need to find a way to deflate

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<v Speaker 4>that balloon. Yeah, we're going to blow into it more.

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<v Speaker 4>And you just see them blowing into it and just like

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<v Speaker 4>you know, all that happens when you do that sort

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<v Speaker 4>of thing. You're basically saying, yes, migration is a huge issue,

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<v Speaker 4>and we also believe that something drastic needs to be

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<v Speaker 4>done about it, and you will never be the ones

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<v Speaker 4>to do the most drastic thing, you know. They will

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<v Speaker 4>then just as you think that you've taken the reform

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<v Speaker 4>policy or the far right policy, the far right will

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<v Speaker 4>always step one step over and be like, oh, actually

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<v Speaker 4>this is the new level that you need to bring

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<v Speaker 4>it to. You know, we we're going to put naval

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<v Speaker 4>ships in the in the channel and like you know,

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<v Speaker 4>literally shooting boats as they as they come across or whatever.

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<v Speaker 4>Whatever you do will never be enough. Like it's a

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<v Speaker 4>funny thing because I like, I definitely see it a

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<v Speaker 4>lot in the UK, and especially like you know, because

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<v Speaker 4>of all these like flags that have gone up and

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<v Speaker 4>things like that. So I don't know if people know

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<v Speaker 4>in other places in the UK there was a campaign

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<v Speaker 4>basically putting up British and English and I guess another

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<v Speaker 4>play maybe. I think in Wales they were definitely putting

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<v Speaker 4>up world flags. Yeah, so putting up these flags and

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<v Speaker 4>also painting them onto people's houses and all sorts of

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<v Speaker 4>stuff like that. And basically that was a big campaign

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<v Speaker 4>by a bunch of like far right agitators and it

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<v Speaker 4>spread really widely across the country. But I feel like

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<v Speaker 4>on the left there started to be this this desire

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<v Speaker 4>for like, you know, well, can we can we reclaim

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<v Speaker 4>the flag? You know, can we reclaim the flag and

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<v Speaker 4>can we have a kind of progressive patriotism or something

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<v Speaker 4>like that? And again, I like, I am very very

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<v Speaker 4>skeptical of progressive patriotism. Are stealing it from a Jewish

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<v Speaker 4>Marxist called Moshi Postane, who basically is the left will

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<v Speaker 4>never be as good patriots as the right because fundamentally,

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<v Speaker 4>the left is not motivated by the love of your country,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, above everything else. It's a kind of a

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<v Speaker 4>universal desire for justice and things like that, you know.

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<v Speaker 4>So the idea that like, you know, we're why don't

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<v Speaker 4>we just like level Gaza and build like really fancy

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<v Speaker 4>hotels there and then use that money to fund public

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<v Speaker 4>services in the UK, I don't think you can argue

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<v Speaker 4>against that on a patriotic basis, you know what I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>It's good for our it's good for our country. Very

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<v Speaker 4>bad for them. I feel bad for them, but that's

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<v Speaker 4>nothing to do with us, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, that is how a lot of European social democracy,

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<v Speaker 1>especially like historic labor governments in the UK work, like

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<v Speaker 1>let's chop off like workers heads in Malaya so that

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<v Speaker 1>they can make more rubber so we can pay for

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<v Speaker 1>the NHS.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah, that's completely it, exactly. So I'm

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<v Speaker 4>so skeptical of like any attempts to sort of do

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<v Speaker 4>this sort of progressive patriotism dar. I just think whatever

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<v Speaker 4>you do, it just comes off as it kind of

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<v Speaker 4>comes off as insincere, because yeah, I'm not ultimately motivated

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<v Speaker 4>by my love of Britain as British as I might

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<v Speaker 4>be in many ways, you know, and things that I

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<v Speaker 4>do love about Britain and British culture, it's not Britain

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<v Speaker 4>as that motivates me in politics, and I don't think

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<v Speaker 4>it is for anyone.

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<v Speaker 6>It's a different moral and political and ethical and philosophical

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<v Speaker 6>framework completely as to like why you should look after

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<v Speaker 6>migrants when they come to your country, not something special

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<v Speaker 6>about being British or whatever, you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 1>I also think that just on a more kind of

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<v Speaker 1>fundamental level than that, because basically the background for this,

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<v Speaker 1>for any especially people in the US aren't aware, is

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<v Speaker 1>the yeah laborer proposing all these new really horrific new

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<v Speaker 1>asylum policies to penalize migrants. In particular, they at the

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<v Speaker 1>moment people can apply for permanent residency after five years,

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<v Speaker 1>and they want to make that increase that to twenty years.

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<v Speaker 1>They also want to have the migration policy basically treat

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<v Speaker 1>people much more differently depending on how much they earn,

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<v Speaker 1>so that high earners can migrate much more easily, and

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<v Speaker 1>so all like really terrible stuff that will totally upend

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<v Speaker 1>people's lives. And you know, if you have to wait

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<v Speaker 1>twenty years, you can't have any kind of stable existence

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<v Speaker 1>in that point.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, why wouldn't they integrate? You know, you're like, you're

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<v Speaker 4>a fucking idiot, you know what I mean. You're there

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<v Speaker 4>like some like kids who's like been in the country

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<v Speaker 4>since who was five and now he's like four, he

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<v Speaker 4>still doesn't know if he's ever if he's ever going

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<v Speaker 4>to be able to step on you know what I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>you fucking Matt, Like.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Labor are only doing this as a shameless and

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<v Speaker 1>desperate attempt to grab votes from Reform Right to stay

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<v Speaker 1>in power. But the thing is all of these like

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<v Speaker 1>racist idiots that are going to vote for Reform will

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<v Speaker 1>never vote for Labor. They'll never vote for them. That

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