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Speaker 6: Welcome to the six four thirty double play. I'm your host,
Speaker 6: joined by my co host, Chef Kyle, and this week
Speaker 6: we are joined by author of the epic of Esau,
Speaker 6: newly released book that you can find on Amazon.
Speaker 3: The link will be in the description of the show,
Speaker 3: author Doc Brown. Good Sir, how.
Speaker 1: Are you, hey man, I'm doing well. Hey, thank you,
Speaker 1: guys for having me.
Speaker 6: Oh man, it's a it's a pleasure, like we were saying,
Speaker 6: just shortly go off the off the stream that.
Speaker 7: We've we've been listening to your story.
Speaker 6: And it's it's definitely something that caught me by surprise.
Speaker 6: I haven't quite heard the Bigfoot Esau connection quite pitched
Speaker 6: the way.
Speaker 7: That you did.
Speaker 3: More or less how Esau.
Speaker 6: Actually, you know, the whole Sacred Garments story that you
Speaker 6: were talking about was just fascinating because, like I said,
Speaker 6: growing up, you know, in the Church of they don't
Speaker 6: deal with too much fun stuff. We should say, in
Speaker 6: the Bible of You're definitely not gonna get any Church
Speaker 6: of Christ preachers to talk about the extra canonical books
Speaker 6: or Gnostic Gospels.
Speaker 3: As it were.
Speaker 6: So anything an Enoch Jasher book, you believe you're you're
Speaker 6: not gonna hear about it, And so I didn't hear about.
Speaker 7: It growing up, And then when I heard you talk
Speaker 7: about it, I was like, man, I've seen that movie
Speaker 7: that did.
Speaker 6: That does make a little bit more sense now that
Speaker 6: he's you know, going through Jashure and Eno can talking
Speaker 6: about these things. Okay, So I really kind of appreciate
Speaker 6: you just even bringing this to the forefront, because if
Speaker 6: I know, if I hadn't heard it, then there's millions
Speaker 6: of people that's not probably not made these connections.
Speaker 7: So without further ado just kind.
Speaker 6: Of briefly give us an over an overview of what
Speaker 6: the epic of b saw in Tribles.
Speaker 1: Yeah, man, is kind of like what you said there.
Speaker 1: This is the stuff that's in this book is it's
Speaker 1: kind of unsearched territory, you know, I mean, it is
Speaker 1: the unknown, and that's something I talk about in the show.
Speaker 1: You know, I've kind of coined it the hero's journey,
Speaker 1: and it's like you have to go into the unknown.
Speaker 1: You have to slay the dragon, rescue the damsel, hoard
Speaker 1: up the treasure. But you know then when that's done,
Speaker 1: your journey's not over.
Speaker 7: Man.
Speaker 1: You have to take this prize of great wealth and
Speaker 1: come back to humanity and share this prize of great
Speaker 1: wealth with the world, and you start the hero's juraming
Speaker 1: for someone else. You know, I've heard bits and pieces
Speaker 1: of some of these ideas, but it's just always been
Speaker 1: just kind of surface level nobody that actually took all
Speaker 1: these pieces and put them together and just took a
Speaker 1: super deep dive and it's honestly just it's amazing to
Speaker 1: rediscover a thought or an idea that these ancient people held.
Speaker 1: And as I went through and gathered these pieces, I
Speaker 1: started making my own hypothesis and you know, connections on things.
Speaker 1: And without fail, almost ninety percent of the time, when
Speaker 1: I started looking through some of these ancient writings and
Speaker 1: ancient texts, they were saying what I was thinking in
Speaker 1: my head. So it was like, you know, Solomon said
Speaker 1: it best. You know, nothing new is under the sun.
Speaker 1: They will marvel and say they found this new thing,
Speaker 1: but no, it is an old thing that was just
Speaker 1: lost and now being rediscovered. And the same thing with me.
Speaker 1: Even in my church, we kind of talked about some
Speaker 1: of these things, but they just really they whitewashed it
Speaker 1: and avoided the troublesome spots. And I've heard people, you know,
Speaker 1: just kind of postulate just you know, maybe East Saw
Speaker 1: was a bigfoot and at the boom that's where it stops.
Speaker 1: And I had Trace Smith from God in a Nutshell
Speaker 1: on the show, and he made the comment, you know, hey,
Speaker 1: you're from East Tennessee, that's bigfoot country. I'll come out
Speaker 1: and we'll go bigfoot hunting. One day and maybe record it,
Speaker 1: and just out of nowhere, I mean, Genesis twenty five
Speaker 1: twenty five popped into my head read that verse I
Speaker 1: don't know how many times and never seen it in
Speaker 1: this light, and I was like, holy shit. I mean,
Speaker 1: if we took the description of the birth of Esau
Speaker 1: and seeing someone out in the woods or even on
Speaker 1: the street or whatever today, in our modern context, without hesitation,
Speaker 1: we would say I seen a sasquatch, I've seen a bigfoot.
Speaker 1: So you know, it's for those that's not familiar, you know,
Speaker 1: Genesis twenty five, twenty five, it's the birth of a
Speaker 1: set of twins. One of them was a regular guy
Speaker 1: just like us, and the other one it says he
Speaker 1: came out red, covered in hair from head to toe
Speaker 1: like a Harry Cloak. So I was like, hey, man,
Speaker 1: you think Esau was his first bigfoot, or at least
Speaker 1: the first like documented one. And he was like, hey,
Speaker 1: you know, never thought of it like that, but you
Speaker 1: might be onto something. He was a Harry dude, And
Speaker 1: in church I was just taught that this was just
Speaker 1: a guy with a good thick beard. He's just a
Speaker 1: Harry dude. And the Nephelum giants, Like we were talking
Speaker 1: pre roll. Yeah, they mentioned to wear giants and that
Speaker 1: there was giants, but they just really downplayed it. Basically,
Speaker 1: they were just like Shaquille O'Neill man, Hey, he's a giant.
Speaker 1: So it's kind of like what Glight was, Glath was.
Speaker 1: He's just a tall dude.
Speaker 7: Yeah, but they failed to mention that Goliath would have
Speaker 7: been like twice as tall, almost two and a half
Speaker 7: times as tall as Shack. And yeah, he wasn't playing basketball.
Speaker 7: He was dominating the worlds of men.
Speaker 1: Yeah wasn't.
Speaker 7: It wasn't Goliath like one of the smaller of the brothers.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And that's the thing is just like you know,
Speaker 1: the theory of entropy, nothing gets better over time, it
Speaker 1: gets worse. So after the flood, you know, it's just
Speaker 1: the inner breeding and marrying with these other you know,
Speaker 1: regular people, that DNA strand got weaker and weaker, and
Speaker 1: so the giants got smaller and smaller. And like with Esau,
Speaker 1: I was just taught that, Yeah, this this guy with
Speaker 1: a really good beard, uh was a carnal man. And
Speaker 1: uh he was a real good hunter and he was
Speaker 1: a carnal man. He was ruled by the desires of
Speaker 1: the flesh and his gut. You know, he didn't think
Speaker 1: of the few. True, it was just if he was hungry,
Speaker 1: he would give you the shirt off of his back
Speaker 1: and you know, just just to get what he wanted. Now,
Speaker 1: so they kind of painted him just like this knuckle
Speaker 1: dragging caveman with no intelligence, and that's not the case
Speaker 1: at all. And so but oh, I'm sorry to go ahead.
Speaker 3: No, you're good, You're good.
Speaker 8: I'm sorry to interrupt, just kind of going back and
Speaker 8: talking about, you know, like the church. I know both
Speaker 8: you and Hank both grew up in the church and
Speaker 8: and they don't get into all of this. And my question,
Speaker 8: I guess to both of you guys. First, first for you, Doc,
Speaker 8: but what why do you think that is? Do you
Speaker 8: think that the that the people preaching the word don't
Speaker 8: fully understand it or do it? Or do you think
Speaker 8: that they do know that there is some like kind
Speaker 8: of weird things going on with the Bible, they just
Speaker 8: don't want to speak about it.
Speaker 1: I think it's fifty to fifty, but Mac actually, let
Speaker 1: me rephrase that, it's probably you know, eighty twenty. I'd
Speaker 1: say eighty percent of them are ignorant of the own
Speaker 1: books that they're teaching about. They're just you know, especially
Speaker 1: in the South, a large majority of the preachers don't
Speaker 1: go to seminary, you know. I mean, they're good old boys.
Speaker 1: They grew up in the church and set under a
Speaker 1: pastor for twenty thirty years, and they only got one
Speaker 1: perspective on the Bible their entire life, and when that
Speaker 1: pastor retired, they stepped into their spot and they're just
Speaker 1: repeating the same teachings and ideas that that pastor had,
Speaker 1: so they're ignorant to a lot of these different thought
Speaker 1: processes and theologies. And then the other twenty percent that
Speaker 1: actually went to seminary and kind of got exposed to
Speaker 1: some of this stuff, they think that the people in
Speaker 1: the church are too ignorant for this type of information,
Speaker 1: they ain't ready for it. So it's like they protect
Speaker 1: them from the weird stuff of the Bible. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's my opinion.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, Kyle, You've pardon me talk about it before,
Speaker 7: But especially down here in the South, a lot of
Speaker 7: people that go to church only go to the church
Speaker 7: that they go to because that's what their parents did,
Speaker 7: and the only reason that their parents went to that
Speaker 7: church is because that's where their parents went to church,
Speaker 7: and so you end up with generations within the same
Speaker 7: family never faltering between what they believe. It's like Doc said,
Speaker 7: you get one man that preaches out of a full
Speaker 7: pit for forty five years, and then somebody that he's
Speaker 7: preached to for forty fifty years takes his place and
Speaker 7: preaches the same thing until he's replaced by somebody that
Speaker 7: will preach the same thing. If I were to try
Speaker 7: to have this conversation with anybody that I grew up
Speaker 7: going to church with, this wouldn't happen, Like they wouldn't
Speaker 7: be able to conceptually acknowledge that this is a reality.
Speaker 7: To them, Genesis six holds no significance, no more significance
Speaker 7: than any other verse in about the To them, Esau
Speaker 7: was just some dude with an unruly beard. He probably
Speaker 7: wore his hair a little too long. He probably has
Speaker 7: some thick old Jason Kelsey eyebrows. You know, probably looked
Speaker 7: a little teen wolfish. But no, he wasn't some He
Speaker 7: wasn't some dude that literally deceived. His father felt his
Speaker 7: other wearing the sheet or the fur of a goat,
Speaker 7: and his dad thought it was Esau like, this is
Speaker 7: how Harry this dude was was like his dad put
Speaker 7: hands on him. It was goat's fur. And he's like, Okay,
Speaker 7: you're Esauce. That's not just an unruly beard and bushy eyebrows.
Speaker 7: You know what I'm saying. This is something entirely different.
Speaker 7: And before you ever knew about esau being born red,
Speaker 7: which I'm assuming was tonight, right, Kyle, Yes, what did
Speaker 7: you know about people with red hair? What's the running
Speaker 7: joke with redheaded people?
Speaker 8: Nephim possibly having ties different blood type?
Speaker 3: Very rare?
Speaker 7: Here you go, so so, doc, let me ask you,
Speaker 7: because Kyle likes to butter me up to all of
Speaker 7: our guests when we have Bible talks, and he likes
Speaker 7: to paint me up as some learned man of the Scripture.
Speaker 7: And while I did grow up in the church, like
Speaker 7: I'm not a theologian by any stretch of the imagination,
Speaker 7: I've got a very rudimentary understanding of what I understand.
Speaker 7: The more that we've done this podcast, the more reluctant
Speaker 7: I've actually gotten to talk about this stuff, because I've
Speaker 7: realized there's a lot that I say I believe, but
Speaker 7: I can't explain why I believe it, and so do
Speaker 7: I even believe it, you know, So I'm kind of
Speaker 7: just like, maybe I should shut the hell up before
Speaker 7: I get somebody else's soul in trouble, and then that's
Speaker 7: on my hands too. But anyway, let me ask you
Speaker 7: this where who was Esau's father?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Esau's father was Isaac, the promise of Rebecca and Abraham.
Speaker 7: How do you think how do you think Esau's DNA
Speaker 7: ended up like it was for him to be born
Speaker 7: redheaded and cloaked in hair. Do you think there was
Speaker 7: some tom fule, you know, some nephilimic tomfoolery that was
Speaker 7: going down or was there something with Isaac that allowed
Speaker 7: him to pass down this too? He saw himself?
Speaker 1: Yeah, and man, obviously you know, if we look at
Speaker 1: the birth, he was obviously different. And when Rebecca became pregnant,
Speaker 1: and the story in Genesis it says that, you know,
Speaker 1: she was getting up there in age and hadn't produced
Speaker 1: any children, and she was barren, and she was worried.
Speaker 1: And in the ancient world that was the woman's job duty.
Speaker 1: Her worth was wrapped in to producing offspring and more
Speaker 1: specifically a male heir.
Speaker 7: Yep.
Speaker 1: And so she was worried that, you know, if she
Speaker 1: couldn't do this, that he would just toss her to
Speaker 1: the side and replace her with a younger woman that could,
Speaker 1: that was fertile, and so at her birth, this Angel
Speaker 1: of the Lord appears to her and tells her, warns her,
Speaker 1: and he says, you know, two nations, two peoples are
Speaker 1: in your womb, and they struggle together within your womb.
Speaker 1: And he said, one shall be stronger than the other.
Speaker 1: He says, but the younger shall rule over the older.
Speaker 1: So if you, you know, to understand anything properly, you
Speaker 1: have to step into the mindset of the person of
Speaker 1: the story. You know, if we're trying to interpret this,
Speaker 1: you know, thousands of year old text with our modern
Speaker 1: lens in viewpoint, we're gonna it's the entire point of
Speaker 1: the story because this is, you know, an ancient text
Speaker 1: written by ancient people to ancient people. So if an
Speaker 1: ancient person reading this, it's going to be a red
Speaker 1: flag right from the get go. It's like whoa, whoa.
Speaker 1: This guy's Harry all over had the toe and you said,
Speaker 1: there's how can there be two different people groups in
Speaker 1: this womb? And they're going to be an enmity with
Speaker 1: one another. They're going to be struggling in the womb.
Speaker 1: And then you're going to say that the youngest is
Speaker 1: supposed to rule over the oldest. No, that's backward. The
Speaker 1: oldest gets the birth right and the youngest serves the older.
Speaker 1: So immediately all these red flags are going off to
Speaker 1: the ancient reader. And this is not far removed from
Speaker 1: the event in the Garden of Eden. And in the
Speaker 1: Garden of Eden, at the rebellion and the fall, God
Speaker 1: gives the curses and prophecies, and they caught the pro
Speaker 1: proto Evangelium, you know, the first good News, you know Gospel,
Speaker 1: and in there the woman, it says that the woman
Speaker 1: shall have a seed, and that the serpent shall have
Speaker 1: a seed, and that they would be at enmity with
Speaker 1: one another. And it says that the woman's seeds head
Speaker 1: will be bruised by the serpents, and that the woman's
Speaker 1: seed will bruise or the heel. So you have a
Speaker 1: bruising of a head and a bruising of a heel,
Speaker 1: and this prophecy, and so just a few chapters later
Speaker 1: in this same book, here's this birth and it says
Speaker 1: that you know, one come out red covered and hair
Speaker 1: like a Harry Cloak. But Esaul is literally taking his
Speaker 1: foot and pushing on Jacob's head to get out of
Speaker 1: that womb, And it gives us extra detail for a reason.
Speaker 1: It says that Jacob is holding the heel of Esau.
Speaker 1: So this is a polaroid of Genesis three fifteen. You know,
Speaker 1: I think that that Esau was a serpent seed. And
Speaker 1: when I say that, man a lot of Christians and stuff,
Speaker 1: even the ones that are you know, more fringy and
Speaker 1: into this stuff that we talk about here kind of
Speaker 1: recoil at this notion. But I'm like, that's what the
Speaker 1: entire biblical narrative is about.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 1: It says the spirit of God came down and hovered
Speaker 1: over Mary and impregnated her. You got the angels coming
Speaker 1: down in Genesis six breeding with the daughters of men,
Speaker 1: creating these hybrid beings. You go into the ancient legends
Speaker 1: and mythosa of the Greeks and many other cultures. You
Speaker 1: have like Hercules. While people fail to realize Hercules had
Speaker 1: a twin. His brother was completely normal human, but he
Speaker 1: had a different father. He had Zeus as his father.
Speaker 1: So you had a normal child and a child that
Speaker 1: was the offspring of a heavenly being Perseus. Perseus had
Speaker 1: a twin and once again regular human brother. He was
Speaker 1: of semi divine origin, So why would this be any
Speaker 1: different from the rest of them. So and we can
Speaker 1: argue back and forth. You know, was this a physical thing?
Speaker 1: Did you know, the serpent, the nakash Satan come down
Speaker 1: and have sex with Rebecca? Or was this a spiritual thing,
Speaker 1: like you know, he just kind of hovered over her
Speaker 1: like the spirit of God did with Mary. I mean,
Speaker 1: we don't know. The text just doesn't say, but I postulate,
Speaker 1: you know, in the book, and that's when Isaac went
Speaker 1: to go get a wife. He goes to the land
Speaker 1: of Haran. And when you look at the history of
Speaker 1: the people of Haran, they were pagans. They worshiped many gods,
Speaker 1: and one of those gods was named sam Quain and
Speaker 1: you hear about him in the Epica Gilgamesh. Because this
Speaker 1: guy inky Do that's also covered in hare from head
Speaker 1: to toe is said that he was made in the
Speaker 1: image of this god, and he was covered in hare
Speaker 1: from head to toe. And you know, you have fawness
Speaker 1: in the Roman Pantheon, Sylvanus pan Uh, all of these
Speaker 1: you know, fertility gods were covered in haired and they
Speaker 1: were like these these wild beastly you know, kind of
Speaker 1: chimera guys. And the handmaid and also came with Rebecca
Speaker 1: back with Isaac. So and when they go to get her, Yeah,
Speaker 1: they talked to their father and it's like eli Asar,
Speaker 1: the cup bear of Abraham, was like, I'm here to
Speaker 1: give a son, get my master's son a wife. And
Speaker 1: he worships the god of Yahweh, and we're interested in
Speaker 1: your daughter there and he says, ay this Yahweh, we
Speaker 1: can speak neither good nor evil of this god. So
Speaker 1: it shows you they did'nt know who he was because
Speaker 1: they worshiped all these other gods. So I oppose the question.
Speaker 1: With her being as desperate as she was, you know,
Speaker 1: Baron not be able to have a child and fraid
Speaker 1: that she was going to be cast out, would it
Speaker 1: be out of the question for this woman that came
Speaker 1: from a foreign land worshiped these fertility harry gods to
Speaker 1: pray and maybe offer sacrifice for her womb to be
Speaker 1: blessed and then the result is esau or even unbeknownst
Speaker 1: to her maybe the handmaiden prayed to this fertility god
Speaker 1: and offered some sacrifices for her lady. But either way,
Speaker 1: I mean, you have this guy that was born looking
Speaker 1: like these fertility gods, covered in hair from head to toe,
Speaker 1: and doctor ancient Jewish texts like Lewis Ginsburg. He compiled
Speaker 1: a nine book series called Legends of the Jews. In
Speaker 1: there they say that Jacob had a guardian angel and
Speaker 1: it was Gabriel, and that Esau had a guardian angel too,
Speaker 1: but his guardian angel was Semi l which was the
Speaker 1: name of Satan before the fall YEP. And it said
Speaker 1: that he was born with a serpent's marking on his body,
Speaker 1: basically like a serpent brand. So the people of this time,
Speaker 1: whether it's true or not, that's what they believed.
Speaker 9: Esau was.
Speaker 7: Definitely behind. Sorry, no, it's great because even though that's
Speaker 7: not the first time I heard it, it's still just
Speaker 7: a smack in the face every time I hear it,
Speaker 7: because that's not what you hear when you go to church.
Speaker 7: Nobody talks about this in church, and if you do,
Speaker 7: I want to go to your church. But this is
Speaker 7: I mean, this is just absolutely and when you lay
Speaker 7: it out like you do, because you're going between the
Speaker 7: Bible and what would be considered extra canonical books, which,
Speaker 7: as you explained, because I listened to your your episode
Speaker 7: that you did, it was just a couple of episodes.
Speaker 7: You you were on a gentleman's you were with broadcasting
Speaker 7: seats where you talked about the epic of Esau, and
Speaker 7: then y'all's conversation you talked about how you ever thought
Speaker 7: that you were let me rephrase this that when you
Speaker 7: were reading their Genesis, how Genesis leaves a lot uh unanswered,
Speaker 7: you were left Genesis with more QUI started. Yeah, and
Speaker 7: you postulate that it's probably because the books of Jash
Speaker 7: or the books of these or at least the stories
Speaker 7: within them were at the very least well known oral traditions,
Speaker 7: to the point that the author of Genesis didn't find
Speaker 7: it prevalent on the issue enough to recount the stories.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 7: And so if we didn't even have these extra canonical books,
Speaker 7: we'd never have these answers. Yeah, you know, and I
Speaker 7: think it's a shame that there's so many quote unquote
Speaker 7: Christians out there today that as soon as you bring
Speaker 7: up Enoch Jash or Jubileese or any other of the
Speaker 7: the other gospels, they just instantly just chastise you and
Speaker 7: and they don't want to hear anything of it because
Speaker 7: that's that's blasphemous, you know.
Speaker 1: But if they go back to what we were talking about,
Speaker 1: you know, there's some people that just want to sit
Speaker 1: in the same church and same que under the same
Speaker 1: teacher for forty years. And it's kind of like, you know,
Speaker 1: if you're a sheep out in the pastor you know,
Speaker 1: and you're in your little fence and you see that
Speaker 1: there's a spot in the fence that's down. Now, you
Speaker 1: don't leave the fence. Defense is safe. I got everything
Speaker 1: I need here, and that's that's fine. But there's there's
Speaker 1: some sheep that's a little more adventurous. We want to
Speaker 1: get up and see what's on the other side of
Speaker 1: that fence.
Speaker 7: Right.
Speaker 1: So it's just the difference in people. And I think
Speaker 1: God programs us all to be inquisitive, to ask questions
Speaker 1: and to seek, you know, not all of us, but
Speaker 1: you know, there's some of us like that. And for
Speaker 1: I think that's what some of these books and stories
Speaker 1: and things are for. It's for people like us to
Speaker 1: follow the Hans and Gretel breadcrumbs, and I can honestly say,
Speaker 1: looking at all this, you know, weird stuff that I
Speaker 1: was told not to look at, and that it was
Speaker 1: of the Davil, you know, and all this stuff has
Speaker 1: brought me closer to God than you know, forty years
Speaker 1: of setting into few, listening to the pastor and give
Speaker 1: the same cookie cutter message a year after year. And
Speaker 1: it doesn't have to be canonical to be important for
Speaker 1: historical contexts and cultural context, historal context. And I even
Speaker 1: think I said it on that broadcasting seeds. It's like
Speaker 1: if somebody wrote the book of the Histories of America
Speaker 1: and some kind of great cataclysm happens wips us out.
Speaker 1: A couple thousand years later, archaeologists come over here and
Speaker 1: they start digging and they find this Histories of America book,
Speaker 1: and close by they find a Cosmopolitan magazine, a sports
Speaker 1: illustrated magazine, you know, something like that. I hope that
Speaker 1: they don't have the mindset of some of these Christians
Speaker 1: and be like, that's not in the Histories of America.
Speaker 1: Throw it away, burn it. It's the devil. You know, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that might not be the Histories of America, but you're
Speaker 1: gonna get a lot of context. You're gonna get a
Speaker 1: lot of information of how we lived our lives, sports,
Speaker 1: we are watching the cultures of the time, our perspective
Speaker 1: on just all these different things. And I guarantee you
Speaker 1: those magazines are going to fill in a lot of
Speaker 1: gaps that that Histories of America didn't give you. So
Speaker 1: you know, that's kind of how I see these these
Speaker 1: extra biblical books and stuff.
Speaker 8: Yeah, so you know, like like Trebles Troubles from paranoid
Speaker 8: radio podcasts. He says, you know, why would they take
Speaker 8: out those books? And for me that was one of
Speaker 8: the that was a that was a big thing for me.
Speaker 8: All the extra books, the what do you I think
Speaker 8: they refer to them as the Apothecals or what have you?
Speaker 3: Gospels, the Gnostic Gospels.
Speaker 8: Okay, it's kind of weird because growing up, for for
Speaker 8: me myself at least, going to church was a very
Speaker 8: painful experience in the sense that I didn't want to go.
Speaker 8: The setting was not right for me to be able
Speaker 8: to get in the mindset to hear and receive the message,
Speaker 8: if that makes any sense.
Speaker 3: It was almost like a chore, you know.
Speaker 8: I got to run around in my normal clothes all day,
Speaker 8: every day, but then when it came time to go
Speaker 8: to church, I had to get all dressed up.
Speaker 3: I had to wear the shoes that.
Speaker 8: Were you know, I didn't have them broke inks, I
Speaker 8: didn't wear them all the time. I had to wear slacks,
Speaker 8: I had to tuck in my shirt, all these things
Speaker 8: that I did not like. So immediately going into it,
Speaker 8: you know, it wasn't it wasn't pleasant for me. And
Speaker 8: not only that, when I went in, I would go
Speaker 8: in with my mom and some other family members, and
Speaker 8: then I would be escorted to another room where the
Speaker 8: kid where all the kids went, and so I just
Speaker 8: always it always just left the nasty taste in my mouth.
Speaker 3: And then.
Speaker 8: As I started growing up, I remember digging into, you know,
Speaker 8: books in the library that had to do with like UFOs.
Speaker 8: So I was like, oh, this is you know, it's
Speaker 8: kind of sci fi ish and it was very intriguing
Speaker 8: to me. So I started kind of looking into that,
Speaker 8: and then I was like, well, in the Bible, to
Speaker 8: my knowledge, like it doesn't really talk about UFOs, it
Speaker 8: doesn't talk about these like extraterrestrial or just cryptids and
Speaker 8: things like that. So I kind of put that whole
Speaker 8: idea of the Bible and everything that encompassed that. I
Speaker 8: put that on the back burner for a very very
Speaker 8: very long time. And it wasn't until twenty nineteen for myself,
Speaker 8: during the whole pandemic, long story short, fell into you know,
Speaker 8: a depression, had my aunt gave me my first actual Bible.
Speaker 8: I did get a Bible when I was you know,
Speaker 8: when I went through boot camp. I got a little
Speaker 8: mini little Bible with the you know, the camouflage and
Speaker 8: what have you. But long story short again, it wasn't
Speaker 8: until I started digging into the Lost Books of the Bible,
Speaker 8: if you will, and where they're talking about giants and
Speaker 8: where they're talking about it's it almost for me, it
Speaker 8: went from like the Bible being being very straightforward, very serious,
Speaker 8: to me learning about the you know, the lost books,
Speaker 8: the books that are not involved in the Bible that
Speaker 8: we see today, it almost like it's almost like I
Speaker 8: just read like a JK.
Speaker 3: Rowling's book, Like now I'm.
Speaker 1: In my book.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And it was fun and I'm like this is awesome.
Speaker 8: And the Book of Jasher for me was honestly my
Speaker 8: my biggest one that I dove into and I haven't
Speaker 8: even you know, dove in that deep, but I felt
Speaker 8: like it just so happened to be at the time
Speaker 8: where I was looking into a drenochrome. And in the
Speaker 8: Book of Jasher it does speak of uh, I'm not
Speaker 8: even gonna get it right, but there is some blood
Speaker 8: children bringing the blood, drinking of the blood that happens
Speaker 8: within that book.
Speaker 3: And so.
Speaker 8: Yeah, it's just very interesting to me as to why
Speaker 8: a lot of these books are left out. And yeah,
Speaker 8: I think what you're doing is awesome and really looking
Speaker 8: outside of the line, outside of the box.
Speaker 3: And I'm excited, man, I'm excited.
Speaker 8: I'm getting a little off topic here in this sense,
Speaker 8: but I'm excited to check out your book.
Speaker 3: To long story short is what I'm stoked about.
Speaker 1: And what's crazy is to the ancient people, you know,
Speaker 1: this wasn't outside of the box. This was in the sandbox, Daddy.
Speaker 1: We pushed it out. And that's the thing you got
Speaker 1: to remember. There was no Bible back in the day.
Speaker 1: There was scrolls. You had the scroll of Jashure, the
Speaker 1: scroll of Enoch, the scroll of Isaiah, and they gathered
Speaker 1: them and kept them in the synagogues and would read
Speaker 1: from them. And it wasn't until Emperor Constantine that we
Speaker 1: got a Bible, and he had conquered over, you know,
Speaker 1: ninety percent of the known world of that time, and
Speaker 1: he just converted to Christianity, and he wanted to unify
Speaker 1: and his kingdom, you know, into one organized religion. And
Speaker 1: the Muslims they had a book, and all these other
Speaker 1: religions they had their own books, but Christianity didn't. So
Speaker 1: he put together, you know that the Council of Nicia,
Speaker 1: and they gathered all these scrolls and all these steelogians
Speaker 1: and debated, and they decided on what scrolls were going
Speaker 1: to go into this book. And you know it, it
Speaker 1: could have been the farious, you know, but I think
Speaker 1: what the main point of that whole thing was was
Speaker 1: to lay the guidelines of their sandbox. You know, hey,
Speaker 1: this is our doctrine, this is what we believe, this
Speaker 1: is what we don't believe. And so they compiled these
Speaker 1: books just kind of to put everybody under an umbrella
Speaker 1: and have some guidelines. That was basically like an interstate
Speaker 1: highway with no lines on it. They were painting the
Speaker 1: lines where you could go, where you couldn't go, when
Speaker 1: you could pass, you know, and all this stuff because
Speaker 1: there was such confusion at this time, and you had
Speaker 1: the gnostics going around, and these are the wolves in
Speaker 1: sheep's clothing that they talk about in scripture, because like
Speaker 1: the Gospel of Thomas, the Godspel of Mary Magdalene and
Speaker 1: all these these are gnostic gospels, and they were floating
Speaker 1: around and where there were no lines, people didn't know
Speaker 1: what to believe or what the you know, the organized
Speaker 1: religion's thoughts were on some of these things. So these
Speaker 1: gnostics were writing scrolls and just putting, you know, Peter's
Speaker 1: name on it, the Gospel of Peter, the Gospel of
Speaker 1: you know, Thomas. When they you know, I mean, they
Speaker 1: were being deceptive. But these people, it ain't like a denomination,
Speaker 1: you know, like we have all these different denominations today.
Speaker 1: It's the same core belief. It's just maybe a little
Speaker 1: different viewpoint, you know. I mean, now, this was the
Speaker 1: complete inversion and opposite of what the faith was. These
Speaker 1: gnostics said that Christ was not the son of God,
Speaker 1: so therefore he didn't die for the salvation of humanity.
Speaker 1: And they say that he had a christ consciousness, and
Speaker 1: that Buddha Mohammad, all these great people of history had
Speaker 1: acquired this christ consciousness and that we don't need to
Speaker 1: pray and seek some kind of outside worse to commune
Speaker 1: with the Creator because he don't exist. Uh, it's all
Speaker 1: inside you know. You you call to your higher self
Speaker 1: to fix you and manifest your your destiny and all
Speaker 1: this stuff. And then they would go to these churches
Speaker 1: and sit in the synagogues and act like they were believers,
Speaker 1: but they would be whispering the people beside of them like, hey,
Speaker 1: they're talking about the Yeah, but they're talking about God.
Speaker 1: They're talking about miracles and seeing God and all this stuff.
Speaker 1: But we're actually doing it over here. Come over here
Speaker 1: to such and such a house after church, and you
Speaker 1: walk in and they'd be you know, taking modern modern
Speaker 1: day LSD. You know, they mixed all these kookie on
Speaker 1: drinks and spiked wines with all these different drugs and
Speaker 1: they would hallucinate. Yeah, they'd see God all right, and
Speaker 1: that so all that was going on. So they were like, okay,
Speaker 1: we need to get together put together a book, uh,
Speaker 1: and condemned all these gnostic gospels and let everybody know,
Speaker 1: you know, the kind of the guidelines, and we want
Speaker 1: to get.
Speaker 10: The time doc at the same time, you have to
Speaker 10: know that Constantine wasn't necessarily playing it straight across the board,
Speaker 10: because that same soul and victims sea that protected us
Speaker 10: against these gnostic gospels were the same ones that told
Speaker 10: you that Enoch and Jashure and Jubilee shouldn't be taken
Speaker 10: into credibility. But I think it was for the simple
Speaker 10: fact that what you find in Enoch and Joshure destroys
Speaker 10: the Roman Catholic Church.
Speaker 7: And I felt like it was wasn't so much for
Speaker 7: our benefit that the Council of Nazia happened, as much
Speaker 7: as it was for their benefit.
Speaker 1: They gain established the whole point.
Speaker 7: Sure, because like you said, Constantine was a newly converted Christian,
Speaker 7: but he only did it to appease the amount of
Speaker 7: Christians that he had just come to rule over. And
Speaker 7: so he had to come with a way to appease everybody.
Speaker 7: And so he took a little Christianity, took a little
Speaker 7: paganism and married it together. Renamed all the days of
Speaker 7: the week, and you know, changed what day we worshiped doing,
Speaker 7: decided what books we were going to be able to
Speaker 7: call truth and not truth, and boom, Catholicism has been
Speaker 7: running it running wild ever since.
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm, yeah, and those The thing is just was
Speaker 1: also highlight reel Sure. They wanted the Torah for the history,
Speaker 1: and then you had the New Testament, you know, so
Speaker 1: you basically you have our creation, our history, our our downfall,
Speaker 1: and then you have our salvation in Christ and redemption
Speaker 1: and return to Eden. So yeah, to me, it's like
Speaker 1: the Bible that we have today is basically the twenty
Speaker 1: minute clip of the two hour football game that played
Speaker 1: the night before. You're going to get the overall est,
Speaker 1: but there's some key plays and footage missing from that
Speaker 1: highlight reel.
Speaker 7: Sure, and U I just you know, if it wasn't
Speaker 7: from the good the good people in this world like
Speaker 7: you that are doing the research, because like you said
Speaker 7: on on the podcast I listened to the other day,
Speaker 7: you this isn't something you started during COVID, Like you've
Speaker 7: been dedicating years and years of your life to this
Speaker 7: and it and it ultimately culminates in your book, which
Speaker 7: I'm really looking forward to getting and reading. I will
Speaker 7: be placing in order for that book, so because I
Speaker 7: gotta I gotta have. It was like something that needs
Speaker 7: to be on my on my on my shelf, because
Speaker 7: I mean, like I I you know, I call myself
Speaker 7: somebody that's growing up in or around the church. And
Speaker 7: then you come out with the just the simple story
Speaker 7: of the Sacred Garments and how they made their ways
Speaker 7: from it from God to Adam and even all the
Speaker 7: way down to how Esau got it, and how they
Speaker 7: ultimately might made their way down to Joseph and the
Speaker 7: Code of Many Colors.
Speaker 1: That was that was a wild journey, yeah Joseph.
Speaker 7: Yeah, but you know, and and and and no, like
Speaker 7: nobody's ever connected that high way of thought before. And
Speaker 7: so when you did it, it was like, man, I
Speaker 7: feel so cheated, you know, because I've well, I hear
Speaker 7: from a few of the podcasts that I trust to
Speaker 7: listen to when it comes to biblical matters, and and
Speaker 7: they're quick to remind me not to put God in
Speaker 7: a box. And it seems like that's what the Bible does,
Speaker 7: is it tries to put God within the context of
Speaker 7: the covers of that book. And a lot of today's
Speaker 7: Christians preach it as if God his his power only
Speaker 7: resides within the covers of that book.
Speaker 1: He is only all the time. Man that the modern
Speaker 1: Church and modern Christians I mean, I love the Bible,
Speaker 1: but I don't worship the Bible. I worship, you know, God,
Speaker 1: the creator of the universe, but nowadays use a lot
Speaker 1: of you know, quote unquote Christians I believe worship a text.
Speaker 9: Yes, yeah, and wow, that's powerful.
Speaker 7: I don't think that. And and I'm one of them,
Speaker 7: because you know, I told you earlier, there's a lot
Speaker 7: of things that I don't talk about anymore because I
Speaker 7: got to realize and that I can't I can't show
Speaker 7: my work as it were. I can't explain to you
Speaker 7: why I believe something. Therefore, I don't know if I
Speaker 7: ever believe it or is that just what somebody told
Speaker 7: me and their argument was good enough for me to
Speaker 7: latch onto. And you know, so, I think a lot
Speaker 7: of the world's lived their life, you know, especially their
Speaker 7: their relationship with God and stuff. It's been in that.
Speaker 7: It's the other this other man, especially some man behind
Speaker 7: a pulpit. He says it's so much better than I do.
Speaker 7: So I'm just gonna take his word on it, and
Speaker 7: I'm not going to do any of the work. I'm
Speaker 7: not going to fact check the man. He said it.
Speaker 7: It's got it sounded good, so it's got to be there. Well,
Speaker 7: you know, Samuel L. Jackson, spiel And and pulp fiction
Speaker 7: sounds really good too, until you find out none of
Speaker 7: that was in the Bible, you know, So you gotta
Speaker 7: be careful with what you what you hold on to. Yeah.
Speaker 7: But and and shout out to to Drew missing he's
Speaker 7: carrying on conversation with some of our our our viewers
Speaker 7: in the chat. But yeah, it's not just the fact
Speaker 7: that books were left out. It's deliberate trans you know,
Speaker 7: mistranslations and the hiding of true contexts through mistranslations and
Speaker 7: other you know, English is such a dumb language compared
Speaker 7: to the the original languages of the Bible that we
Speaker 7: really do lose a lot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you need to go back to any translation.
Speaker 7: Which is why I was so grateful when you mentioned
Speaker 7: the logo software. So I was like, oh, crap. I
Speaker 7: was completely unaware that this was out there and make
Speaker 7: such an amazing tool to have. Man, I checked it
Speaker 7: out that you know, me and Kyle were talking about it,
Speaker 7: and I was like, dude, this is this is amazing
Speaker 7: because now I can now I feel like I might
Speaker 7: be actually able to talk about some stuff. And if
Speaker 7: somebody asked me a question. Well, now I at least
Speaker 7: got a few more bullets in my in my in
Speaker 7: my holster than just the one of it's in there.
Speaker 7: Trust me. That was really cool, man.
Speaker 1: So you want to go into these garments? Is that
Speaker 1: where you want to go?
Speaker 7: That was That's really interesting.
Speaker 8: That's really really weird because I've been keeping my mouth
Speaker 8: shut here and hearing you talk about the garments. I
Speaker 8: listened into that particular show two times today. And maybe
Speaker 8: it's just because I'm not super familiar with like the Bible,
Speaker 8: but like the Garments, let's get into it, because I
Speaker 8: am lost in the sauce doc.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it is. It's definitely fascinating to us
Speaker 1: to read the Bible and think we know the Bible.
Speaker 1: So I mean, if somebody's not real familiar with it,
Speaker 1: this is definitely something that grabs your attention, you know,
Speaker 1: especially if you're into, you know, the supernatural stuff, because
Speaker 1: this does it sounds like something out of a comic book,
Speaker 1: and it's amazing that it's in this text. But yeah,
Speaker 1: when you get into the Book of Jasher, it follows
Speaker 1: the story of Esau and we actually let me backtrack.
Speaker 1: I'll just go ahead and I'll give you the the prequel.
Speaker 1: You know, I mean Lord of the Rings. We had
Speaker 1: to watch the Lord of the Rings and then go
Speaker 1: back and get a rewind for the Hobbit. I'll give
Speaker 1: you the hobbit first. In the garden, right, you have
Speaker 1: the Fall and Ezekiel twenty eight. You know it's unanimous
Speaker 1: all the scholars, you know, it's pretty much unanimous. I mean,
Speaker 1: there's exceptions to every rule, but that they believe that
Speaker 1: this was addressing Satan and this serpent in the garden.
Speaker 1: This word in Hebrew is nakash, and nikash can mean serpent.
Speaker 1: But the Hebrew language, you know, it's diverse. It's like English.
Speaker 1: You have one word spelled the exact same, but it
Speaker 1: has four different meanings. So the context and how it's
Speaker 1: used is very important. So this can mean serpent, but
Speaker 1: it can also mean one who practices divination or the
Speaker 1: shining one. So in the context of that story, it's like,
Speaker 1: to me, what makes more sense. A talking snake deceived
Speaker 1: Adam and Eve and they were tricked and tossed out
Speaker 1: of the garden. Or was this a shining one, a
Speaker 1: divine being that was on God's divine council? On Holy
Speaker 1: Mountain that Adam and Eve knew saw every day, trusted
Speaker 1: deceived them and rebelled against God. That to me, that
Speaker 1: makes a lot more sense. But in Ezekiel twenty eight,
Speaker 1: you know, you have this address to the King of Tire,
Speaker 1: but then it switches. It starts talking to this entity,
Speaker 1: this spirit pulling the strings of the king, and you
Speaker 1: tell right away he's no longer talking to the king.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: It says you were perfect in all your ways. You
Speaker 1: were in the garden of God. Every precious stone was
Speaker 1: your covering. And it lists the stones, you know, barrel onyx,
Speaker 1: topaz jasper onyx. According to what translation you the Masoretic
Speaker 1: text list nine stones, but the septuagent list twelve. It
Speaker 1: says in golden lays were your settings, and they were perfect,
Speaker 1: and you were perfect today they were created. So this
Speaker 1: is a mirror image of the priestly ephod that the
Speaker 1: priests wore when they entered the holiest of holies. And
Speaker 1: then it goes on to say that he profaned his sanctuaries.
Speaker 1: It's painting this Nakash in a priestly role, wearing the
Speaker 1: priestly ephod and having a sanctuary. So when you go
Speaker 1: into the old writings, you know the legends of the
Speaker 1: Jews and the ancient thought, and even so they make
Speaker 1: it out basically at this Filish rebellion, Satan was demoted.
Speaker 1: His garments and priestly position was taken from him, and
Speaker 1: it was bestowed upon Adam on the mankind, and all
Speaker 1: the Rabbis trace their first you know, king and priest
Speaker 1: of all creation to Adam, and miss I don't.
Speaker 7: Want to interrupt too much, but I just think it's
Speaker 7: important to point out that it's that it's the removal.
Speaker 7: It's the taking of these priestly rights from whether you
Speaker 7: want to call them Samuel, Lucifer, whoever you want to
Speaker 7: call them, and giving them to man. That is what
Speaker 7: created this hatred for mankind with this Samil. It's not
Speaker 7: the fact that God loved us more than angels and
Speaker 7: that they were perfect over us, and somehow God just
Speaker 7: loved his new little toys. It's because there was literally
Speaker 7: a what we would recognize as a governmental layout to heaven.
Speaker 7: There was a chain of command and and and Lucifer's
Speaker 7: position granted him amazing authority and power, and it was
Speaker 7: stripped from him and he was cast out because he
Speaker 7: decided to. Oh, it's just that you never hear that preached.
Speaker 7: You never hear that it's because his priestly rights were
Speaker 7: stripped from him. Literal garments that were the representation of
Speaker 7: these rights were taken from him and given to mankind.
Speaker 7: You don't hear that.
Speaker 1: No, And like you said, it answers the question and
Speaker 1: the motivation why Satan hates you so much. Yeah, something
Speaker 1: that it was his status symbol. It showed him was
Speaker 1: the you know, the king, the king and priest over creation,
Speaker 1: and you know, something he wore with pride. It was
Speaker 1: his status symbol. It was like a king's crown, So
Speaker 1: something that was his centerpiece, something that he was so
Speaker 1: proud to where it was taken from him and given
Speaker 1: to a created being that's lower than him in his eyes.
Speaker 7: That alone, when you read it, Genesis three just skips
Speaker 7: right over it. You get one little brief two sentences
Speaker 7: about Adam being cloaked as he's getting the boot out
Speaker 7: of the garden, and that's all that's mentioned of it.
Speaker 7: Mm hmm. And at least in in what we recognize
Speaker 7: as the Bible today, if you didn't go back and
Speaker 7: read these extra canonical books, you wouldn't have the information
Speaker 7: that we just discussed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and see, this was the birth right. You keep
Speaker 1: hearing about this birth right.
Speaker 7: That's what it is because it all deals back to blood, yeah,
Speaker 7: and bloodlines and authority through blood.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And so the oldest chosen lie got this garment
Speaker 1: passed them and this was the symbol of kingship and authority.
Speaker 1: It was the signet ring. And it travels down and
Speaker 1: it follows it. It goes all the way through Adam
Speaker 1: to Seth, to Enoch, to Matthuselah to Noah, and the
Speaker 1: Book of Jasher says that these garments were on the
Speaker 1: boat with Noah coming over the flood, and that in
Speaker 1: Ham's going out, Ham steals these garments, steals the birth
Speaker 1: right and then gives them the Cush, and it says
Speaker 1: that Cush hides them and then he ends up having Nimrod.
Speaker 1: And it uses the same kind of phrases used when
Speaker 1: talking about Joseph. You know, if you remember, it said
Speaker 1: that Joseph was the child of Israel's old age, whom
Speaker 1: he loved exceedingly, and it says it's about Nimrod. It
Speaker 1: says Nimrod, God was the child of Cushi's old age
Speaker 1: and whom he loved exceedingly, and he gave him the garments.
Speaker 1: And it said that at twenty years old, at the
Speaker 1: coming of age, that Nimrod put on these garments and
Speaker 1: he became a gibblerim, the same word used to describe
Speaker 1: the Nephlum giants and the Hebrew texts. And this ties
Speaker 1: right into Genesis, and a lot of people have theories
Speaker 1: on this. They say, ah, Nimrod wasn't born at gibblerim.
Speaker 1: It says he became a gibble rim. This is how
Speaker 1: it was through these supernatural garments from the Garden of God.
Speaker 1: And it ties in with Esau. So Nimrod, this mighty gibblerim.
Speaker 1: His claim to fame is that he was a mighty hunter.
Speaker 1: This is the same title that Esau had. So I
Speaker 1: kind of make the joke. It's kind of like the Highlander.
Speaker 1: You know that there can only be one baby. So
Speaker 1: he got these these two mighty men that want to
Speaker 1: show each other who the real mighty man is. In
Speaker 1: the Book of Jashure words it like he's hunting Esau.
Speaker 1: He's hunting this beastly hiiry quote unquote man. And it
Speaker 1: says that jealousy and hatred built up in the heart
Speaker 1: of Nimrod against Esau all of his days. And Nimrod
Speaker 1: and two more of his gibel reem men go into
Speaker 1: the wilderness to hunt down and kill Esau. But Esau
Speaker 1: is a mighty hunter as well and sees them and
Speaker 1: hides hisself, and when they're not least expecting it, he
Speaker 1: jumps out, takes a sword, cuts off Nimrod's head, and
Speaker 1: then battles these other two giants and kills all three
Speaker 1: of them single handedly in combat. And then it says
Speaker 1: he takes the time to steal Nimrod's garments, to which
Speaker 1: he was able to rule over all the nations, and
Speaker 1: then he runs home and hides these garments, it says.
Speaker 1: And then here's where it dove tells perfectly with the
Speaker 1: Book of Genesis, with the trading of the birth right,
Speaker 1: because in Genesis, it just says, it just kind of
Speaker 1: fasts forwards to this day in the future, and it
Speaker 1: says Esau come in from the field exhausted and his
Speaker 1: brother was making lentinel stew and Esau says, give me
Speaker 1: some of that red stew and Jacob says, sure, but
Speaker 1: you're gonna trade me the birthright? And he's like, ah,
Speaker 1: what use is a birthright to me when I'm dead?
Speaker 1: Take it? And I'm like, what that makes absolutely no sense.
Speaker 1: But when you tie in this book of gesture, it
Speaker 1: makes perfect sense. He just killed the king. He's on
Speaker 1: the run. He's fearful of his life. He just killed
Speaker 1: not one, not two, but three Gibereim giants, probably sustained
Speaker 1: some life threatening injuries and was possibly bleeding out. He
Speaker 1: was desperate. That's why he said, what use is a
Speaker 1: birth right to me when I'm dead? Take it? No
Speaker 1: hide me, sew up my wounds, give me nourishment. I'm
Speaker 1: going to die. And that explains Jacob's urgency. A lot
Speaker 1: of people look over that. It ain't just like, oh
Speaker 1: you know, hey, I really like that birth right. Why
Speaker 1: don't you consider trading it to me?
Speaker 7: Now?
Speaker 1: He's like, swear to me now that you will do
Speaker 1: this thing. No, swear to me now. I mean he
Speaker 1: says it like three times. There's desperation in his voice,
Speaker 1: because imagine you're sitting in the kitchen cooking up some
Speaker 1: stew and all of a sudden, your brother just bursts
Speaker 1: in the door. He soaked in blood, probably holding his
Speaker 1: guts in you know what I mean, and freaking out.
Speaker 1: I just killed him Rod, and either're looking for me,
Speaker 1: you know, hide, help me, help me. He took advantage
Speaker 1: of the opportunity. He's like, yeah, I help her. It's
Speaker 1: going to cost you.
Speaker 7: And he knew that it wasn't just something as simple
Speaker 7: as saying, yes, you can have my birthright, because it
Speaker 7: wasn't something that was given to him as simply as that. No.
Speaker 1: And the thing is, I think it was a deception too,
Speaker 1: because think about it. If you're going to about to die,
Speaker 1: you'll agree to anything. When you make it. You know,
Speaker 1: it's like, oh God, please save me from this car wreck.
Speaker 1: I'll stop smoking. I'll never smoke another day in my life. God.
Speaker 1: And then you make it through the car wreck, and
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, man, yeah, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Because like the blessing of Isaac is kind of like
Speaker 1: you go into the lawyer's office and they stamp in
Speaker 1: that paper. Now it's official, because if he meant to
Speaker 1: honor his trading, you know, of this birthright to Jacob
Speaker 1: when his father called him into the bedchamber and said, son,
Speaker 1: my life's fading. I want to taste your game one
Speaker 1: more time. Go go hunt, bring me some tasty meat,
Speaker 1: and I will give you your blessing. He's like, all right, Dad,
Speaker 1: I'll go do it. He takes off. If he meant
Speaker 1: to honor that trading of that birth right, he'd have
Speaker 1: been like, Dad, I appreciate it, but I traded my
Speaker 1: birth right to Jacob. You know what I'm saying. He
Speaker 1: had no intentions of keeping that deal, which is.
Speaker 7: Which is probably why Jacob was so trepidacious to accept
Speaker 7: it to begin with. You know, it's probably why he
Speaker 7: asked him three different times to you know, Chris, across
Speaker 7: your heart, dudes, let me go get this Bible and
Speaker 7: let you swear on it real quick, because I need something.
Speaker 7: Sure this is not just something, because I mean, both
Speaker 7: parties were aware that they weren't dealing with anything trivial,
Speaker 7: and they weren't dealing with anything that could be given
Speaker 7: as freely as somebody's word. I mean, you were you were,
Speaker 7: I would I would venture so far as to say
Speaker 7: that to it. In order to properly for Esau to
Speaker 7: pass that birth right on, there probably would had to
Speaker 7: been something involving blood go down between them two, whether
Speaker 7: it been some form of contract or whatever. You know,
Speaker 7: But you don't just hand your birth right off by
Speaker 7: saying it. You know that, because we're dealing with people
Speaker 7: who lived in a world where everything, whether they thought
Speaker 7: about it as not, we look back at it through
Speaker 7: the lens of pretty much everything that did was a
Speaker 7: ritual one thing or another. You know, everything about their
Speaker 7: life was intentional, you know, especially with so I just
Speaker 7: don't think it was just something like you're saying. I
Speaker 7: very well do believe that Esau was like, you know,
Speaker 7: fingers crossed behind the back, like I will say whatever
Speaker 7: it takes for you to help me put my guts
Speaker 7: back inside of me. Yeah right now, Yeah that checks out, man.
Speaker 1: And with those garments too. I love looking at comparative mythology,
Speaker 1: you know, when you look at other cultures and their
Speaker 1: legends and their lore, their quote unquote mythology. Uh, when
Speaker 1: you see common themes across the board, to me, that
Speaker 1: that signals that there's a much more ancient source. It's
Speaker 1: a it's a shared story. You know, no matter where
Speaker 1: you go, you have stories of giants, no matter where
Speaker 1: you go, you have stories of Bigfoot.
Speaker 7: And well I think that's for and I heard you
Speaker 7: explain this on on the the show the other day,
Speaker 7: and I kind of have a different take on why
Speaker 7: there's so much similarity.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm going to the garments. I mean I was.
Speaker 1: I was just saying just using these as kind of
Speaker 1: like to tee it up. But you have this of
Speaker 1: the garments and this. You know, I didn't talk to
Speaker 1: broadcasting seeds about this, but you see the echoes of
Speaker 1: these garments throughout culture too. A lot of people look
Speaker 1: over it. Uh. One example that I use is the
Speaker 1: Golden Fleece from Jason in the Argonauts. If you remember
Speaker 1: this story, Jason assembles this. You know, a teen of
Speaker 1: ancient heroes, Hercules was among them, and they go into
Speaker 1: the Black Sea the Caucus area to retrieve these supernatural
Speaker 1: the golden fleece and this was the status symbol of
Speaker 1: kingship and authority. And in the ancient legend it says
Speaker 1: that there was a set of twins once again. Uh,
Speaker 1: and there was a male and a female and uh
Speaker 1: one the guy's name was Prixus. I can't remember the
Speaker 1: girl's name now, But Zeus wanted them sacrificed, wanted them dead.
Speaker 1: Athena feel sorry for him and she goes down and
Speaker 1: she provides them a golden ram that can fly to
Speaker 1: escape the wrath of Zeus. And they get on this
Speaker 1: ram that flies off well. On the flight, the woman
Speaker 1: falls just like Eve falls and dies, but the man
Speaker 1: is alive. And the ram lands in this sacred garden
Speaker 1: called the Garden of Ares. And Athena comes down and says, well,
Speaker 1: the woman's already died, so we have to offer a
Speaker 1: sacrifice on your behalf to appease Zeus. So kill the
Speaker 1: ram and that will be your substitute and Zeus will
Speaker 1: be happy. So Prixus kills the ram, and then he
Speaker 1: removes the ram's golden fleece and he hangs it on
Speaker 1: a tree in the midst of the Garden of Ares,
Speaker 1: and there it is guarded by a great serpent. Tell me,
Speaker 1: you don't see the garden of Eden, this tree, the
Speaker 1: supernatural garments and the serpent guarding it in this story,
Speaker 1: and it's the status symbol, the symbol of kingship and authority.
Speaker 1: And only through the supernatural aid of the sorcerer Medea
Speaker 1: is Jason Abel to get these garments. And when you
Speaker 1: go back to the Bible, Isaac was the firstborn son
Speaker 1: God wanted him sacrificed. What happens They go to a
Speaker 1: high mountain and right before he stabs his son, the
Speaker 1: angel Lord appears. And what does he provide a ram
Speaker 1: as a substitute for the sacrifice?
Speaker 7: He does, don't he.
Speaker 1: That's the while echoes of an ancient source. I'm not
Speaker 1: saying the Bible's not true. Don't don't take what I
Speaker 1: say in twist for anybody listening. No, this is the
Speaker 1: original ancient story, and you have these fallen angel perversions
Speaker 1: and retellings of this story.
Speaker 7: Kyle, Ain't that what I've been saying forever?
Speaker 3: Maybe? Yes, of course, No, seriously.
Speaker 7: That's I mean, that's my explanation as to why there's
Speaker 7: so many different similar retellings of everything is because, I mean,
Speaker 7: Kyle knows, like I draw it all back to John
Speaker 7: one one in the beginning was the word, and the
Speaker 7: word was with God, and the word was God. And
Speaker 7: I deduced that while that word is a separate entity,
Speaker 7: that word is probably the law, the law of reality,
Speaker 7: of God's reality in a sense. And so like everything
Speaker 7: that we recognize as reality came from that word that
Speaker 7: was separate but with and was God. And so that
Speaker 7: means that obviously sam I l or Lucifer whatever had
Speaker 7: to come from it. And if he's literally made from
Speaker 7: the same essence that is that word, who better than
Speaker 7: to twist and pervert what God's word was than somebody
Speaker 7: that's made of it. That takes a whole different meaning
Speaker 7: to knowing the word inside and out when you're literally
Speaker 7: made from it, you know. And so to me, that's
Speaker 7: why there's so many because what better way to get
Speaker 7: you to believe a lie than to give it, you know,
Speaker 7: give it to you fed in between some truths.
Speaker 1: And that's like the Mesopotamian text. You know, a lot
Speaker 1: of people will say, oh, they predate the Bible, therefore
Speaker 1: the Bible's bunk, and you know, and all that, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, the first of anything is not the best.
Speaker 1: Do you think a Ford model T is better than
Speaker 1: a modern car we had today? I'm sorry, if you
Speaker 1: believe that, you're a full Another thing is, if we
Speaker 1: believe the biblical narrative, what happens these fallen angels rebel,
Speaker 1: they're cast out of heaven. Of course you're going to
Speaker 1: get their story first. They were here first, Yeah, you're yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: the Mesopotamian stories and legends may pray predate the Bible.
Speaker 1: That doesn't make it the truth. And if you believe
Speaker 1: followed the biblical narrative, Yeah, they were here first, they rebelled,
Speaker 1: they left their first estate and came down here. Of
Speaker 1: course you're going to get their story first.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 8: That might be, that might be very basic for most
Speaker 8: people to understand, but for me, that is like mind
Speaker 8: blowing something. I never connected the dots, he said.
Speaker 3: Well siloquently than I ever have.
Speaker 7: That's exactly it, man, Yeah, no, you, yeah, they were.
Speaker 7: They were definitely here before. Man. They think about it
Speaker 7: like this. When Cain was cast away after killing Abel,
Speaker 7: he found people to go to. But the Bible doesn't
Speaker 7: tell you that. Genesis doesn't tell you that. It just
Speaker 7: tells you that later.
Speaker 1: You know, God, I think it does.
Speaker 7: I think it does.
Speaker 1: It's just people look over it and misinterprets it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: when you read the Creation, it says that, you know,
Speaker 1: on day three he made the vegetation. On day six
Speaker 1: he said, let us make man in our image. I
Speaker 1: don't know a lot of people think that's trenity. I
Speaker 1: think that's the divine counsel. That's us in the hour.
Speaker 1: Because the book of Job says, you know the benehi Eloheim,
Speaker 1: the sons of God were there and witness creation. Because
Speaker 1: he's telling Job, where were you when I hung the stars?
Speaker 1: Where were you when I laid its foundations and drew
Speaker 1: the plumb line and all this stuff. He said, when
Speaker 1: the morning stars the sons of God sang for joy
Speaker 1: at the sight of creation. That shows you they were
Speaker 1: there and saw it. That's to us and that Daddy,
Speaker 1: that's who he's talking to. He ain't talk to hisself.
Speaker 1: And when you go through that, man, it's just wild.
Speaker 1: Because you get to day six, you know, let us
Speaker 1: make man in our image. Right, and then it says
Speaker 1: God rested. Well, then it says that God took a
Speaker 1: pinch of clay and or the dirt and made Adam
Speaker 1: and that he was a lifeless being until he breathed
Speaker 1: the breath of life in him.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: Well, when you read that account, it says that he
Speaker 1: done this before there was any vegetation. Vegetation was on
Speaker 1: day three. You're getting a hobbit rewind. A lot of
Speaker 1: people take the viewpoint, oh, this is just a more detailed,
Speaker 1: you know, telling of the day six event. No, it
Speaker 1: says this happened before vegetation, and vegetation was on Day three.
Speaker 1: So Adam, in my opinion, was quite possibly there with
Speaker 1: the us in our seeing the creation. He is a
Speaker 1: but a Hailohim. He is a son of God. And
Speaker 1: then Day six was the creation of another race. Adam
Speaker 1: and Eve were something separate, but they were cast out.
Speaker 1: And that's why when Caing goes out, he's scared to death.
Speaker 1: Somebody's gonna kill him. Well, hell, who's gonna kill him?
Speaker 1: They're all right there. Who's his kid's gonna marry and
Speaker 1: interbreed with? It's those Day six people that's outside of
Speaker 1: the garden. That's who. That's my next book. They go,
Speaker 1: but they Hailohim.
Speaker 7: See is that something that interest me? And I don't
Speaker 7: know where I land on that because it's hard for
Speaker 7: me to take myself out of the box that the
Speaker 7: Church of Christ put me in mentally at such a
Speaker 7: young age. And no, hey that they that's that's not possible. There.
Speaker 7: Of course, there's only one God, and of course us
Speaker 7: was he was talking about the Holy Trinity, and and
Speaker 7: was he though? Was he? Though? I don't, I don't know.
Speaker 7: See this is where we we we find ourselves at
Speaker 7: the short end of the proverbial stick, because English is
Speaker 7: such a crude language that we, you know, whether intentionally
Speaker 7: or unintentionally, we've lost the meaning of what was in
Speaker 7: those scrolls.
Speaker 1: You know, we don't when I say God, it's too
Speaker 1: I mean to us Christians, it's angelic beings. They are created,
Speaker 1: you know, there is one supreme creator, and it's kind
Speaker 1: of like the the pantheon of Greek gods. You know,
Speaker 1: Zeus sits at the top, and then he's got these
Speaker 1: lower beings underneath him that help him rule like a kingdom,
Speaker 1: like a monarch. You know, every kingdom has a king.
Speaker 1: Then you have the messenger of the king, you have
Speaker 1: the leader of the army, you know, in all these
Speaker 1: different roles. And that's kind of how the ancient Israelites
Speaker 1: painted the Kingdom of Heaven. Yahweh was the supreme God
Speaker 1: that said at the head, he was the creator. But
Speaker 1: then these other angelic beings were created to help him
Speaker 1: rule his kingdom. And a fraction of those rebelled and
Speaker 1: they were kicked out of the kingdom and they landed here,
Speaker 1: and they were different than us, you know, they probably
Speaker 1: glown they had supernatural powers, magic technology, and us as
Speaker 1: humans worshiped them as gods. They presented themselves as gods,
Speaker 1: you know, but they really wasn't gods. They were just
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 3: Falling outcast. Yeah, going against the order.
Speaker 8: That's wild to me. Like thinking about the way that
Speaker 8: you just described it, Doc, is that you know, you
Speaker 8: have you have God and then you have all of
Speaker 8: his his people below him that are helped running the show.
Speaker 8: Like why would you if it's so amazing, Like, why
Speaker 8: would you go against the word? And why would you
Speaker 8: know what I mean? Why? Why is it?
Speaker 3: Is it because you're searching for if.
Speaker 7: You had your if you literally had your position and
Speaker 7: authority stripped from you and given to what you perceived
Speaker 7: to be a lesser being. You know, of course you're
Speaker 7: going to resent that that person that received your blessing.
Speaker 7: That's it. You're not just earthright. You were created into
Speaker 7: this position, you know, like the archangels were were you know,
Speaker 7: if if if in this heavenly hierarchical system, Yeah, they're
Speaker 7: they're they're above the run of the mill angels. They're
Speaker 7: not just punching the clock. They're your supervisors and your foremans.
Speaker 7: They're the generals of the armies. They're the ones, you know,
Speaker 7: hands on they get to go sit with God and
Speaker 7: get the directions. And then that you don't need to
Speaker 7: go to God, you come to me. I'm I'll take
Speaker 7: care of it, you know, change right. And so so
Speaker 7: when God was like, you know what, you don't deserve
Speaker 7: this anymore, I'm gonna give it to this dude, and
Speaker 7: you're like the the dude that.
Speaker 1: Like the poops just started, they that has to breathe,
Speaker 1: you mean that thing, that's what you're gonna give this too.
Speaker 7: I'm gonna destroy him and all of his for the
Speaker 7: rest of eternity.
Speaker 3: That makes a little bit more sense. I get that.
Speaker 3: I get that. Okay, Okay, wow, wow.
Speaker 1: His head highlackum oviur misogyny his face.
Speaker 8: Dude, it really doesn't. And Doc, I do this from
Speaker 8: time to time. I look at myself as a as
Speaker 8: a sponge, if you will, and not all the time,
Speaker 8: but sometimes when information is broadcasted to me in such
Speaker 8: a way, I'm just like, I feel like a lot
Speaker 8: of this was right in front of my face, under
Speaker 8: my nose, and I never seen it, never smelt it.
Speaker 8: And it's yeah, it's it's times like these that and
Speaker 8: I think that's important for a lot of people, Like
Speaker 8: it's okay to break free from your from the walls
Speaker 8: that are blocking your vision. Like it's okay to look
Speaker 8: outside of the box. It's okay. And for a lot
Speaker 8: of people that focus on like mainstream religion, mainstream media,
Speaker 8: they get so caught up in the in the circus
Speaker 8: where it's just a day to day routine where you know, anything, yeah,
Speaker 8: not anything outside of this box and is just forbidden and.
Speaker 3: You know, going.
Speaker 8: Back, which is kind of how I got started in
Speaker 8: this whole.
Speaker 3: I'm monny, I don't want to call it a movement, but.
Speaker 8: I guess looking outside the box again, it's absolutely is
Speaker 8: an awakening. But twenty nineteen was such a blessing I
Speaker 8: think on so many people, And you know, I know
Speaker 8: there's a lot of a lot of other folks maybe
Speaker 8: such as yourselves, that or yourself that has kind of
Speaker 8: noticed that something's just not right. Maybe fifteen twenty years
Speaker 8: ago for me that wasn't the case. You know, I
Speaker 8: dug into the the whole nine to eleven stuff, loose change,
Speaker 8: loose change one and two I dug into when I
Speaker 8: was in my teens, early teens. But it wasn't until
Speaker 8: twenty nineteen where things really started to where I was
Speaker 8: actually I feel like I was just challenged, like something
Speaker 8: doesn't seem right, and I implore, I implore everybody just
Speaker 8: to get outside.
Speaker 3: The norm every once in a while, you.
Speaker 8: Know, dig a little deeper, and I feel like it'll
Speaker 8: it'll blow your mind. You know, there's a lot of
Speaker 8: people in my family who I have broughten forth information
Speaker 8: to not necessarily.
Speaker 3: Biblical, but just political and just things going on in
Speaker 3: the world.
Speaker 8: And you bring these ideas forth, and it's very hard
Speaker 8: for a lot of people to actually accept these things
Speaker 8: because they are they have been you know, trained in
Speaker 8: brainwashed to think this way, and a lot of folks
Speaker 8: it's really hard when you're told your entire life this
Speaker 8: is what you should think, and you actually believe that,
Speaker 8: and you put your all your energy into that, and
Speaker 8: then you have somebody else telling you like no, like
Speaker 8: everything that you've been told was a lie essentially, whether
Speaker 8: that be you know, there's obviously a many, many, many,
Speaker 8: a plethora of topics that that I can apply that to.
Speaker 1: Yeah, paradigm boasters, man, it triggers most of the time
Speaker 1: flat or fat reflex, you know, but very few people
Speaker 1: can sit and hear out a matter that's totally outside
Speaker 1: of their paradigm or perspective and entertain it and possibly
Speaker 1: changed their mind. There are very few far in between.
Speaker 8: The ones that you're any I don't know about you, Doc,
Speaker 8: but like I'm gonna i'll ask you, do you have
Speaker 8: any Because we've just kind of been focusing on this
Speaker 8: one topic, I would presume that there are other things
Speaker 8: that have happened historically that you may or may not
Speaker 8: have challenged the narrative that you've been told. Is there
Speaker 8: any family man, like, how does that work with your family?
Speaker 7: Is?
Speaker 8: Does is everyone kind of on board with your thoughts
Speaker 8: on things? Do you share this with certain family members
Speaker 8: and friends?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Honestly, I'd say some of the people that maybe
Speaker 1: catch little clips, you know, like my family or something
Speaker 1: or friends about some of the stuff I talk about,
Speaker 1: they might think, you know, I'm crazy, or maybe I'm
Speaker 1: just making up stuff for attention you or clicks on YouTube.
Speaker 1: But the ones that actually that I get to talk
Speaker 1: with and you know, reason with them, like I am
Speaker 1: with you you know here today and show Bible verses
Speaker 1: and historical references and stuff like that, they're open to it,
Speaker 1: and I have you know, changed some minds on some people.
Speaker 1: And like my mother for instance, you know, she grew
Speaker 1: up in church her whole life and she was one
Speaker 1: of those the same teacher for years and years, and like,
Speaker 1: my book just totally blew her mind. And she's like, no,
Speaker 1: I believe it.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 1: She said, you laid it out good. She said, you
Speaker 1: had all the Bible verses there side by side. It
Speaker 1: wouldn't for left up to me to look it up. No,
Speaker 1: you put the receipts right there. You said, here's the
Speaker 1: verse boom copy pasted it, and now that you've read it,
Speaker 1: here's what I think about it. And here's four more
Speaker 1: other verses that put a pretty red ribbon on it.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: So she said, no, she said, it's just crazy, the
Speaker 1: the stuff that's like you said earlier, it's right under
Speaker 1: your nose and you just look over it.
Speaker 8: I love the way that you kind of broke down,
Speaker 8: it broke your book down. Now I have not I
Speaker 8: don't have your book in front of me. I don't
Speaker 8: I don't own it yet, and I will be owning,
Speaker 8: and I can guarantee you both, Hank and I will
Speaker 8: be purchasing a copy. But when you explained how the
Speaker 8: book was laid out, I love it. I love it.
Speaker 8: I love it. I love it. And for somebody like me,
Speaker 8: the way that you're describing.
Speaker 3: It is perfect.
Speaker 8: It's like boom boom boom. And you have receipts for
Speaker 8: everything that It's huge, dude, that is so huge. And
Speaker 8: the amount of time that you spent on this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it took me two years, man, well two years
Speaker 1: of your obsession.
Speaker 8: A building obsession of of of making the book right.
Speaker 8: But but how long have you been researching this particular topic.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean I've been deep diving this this
Speaker 1: weird stuff since twenty twelve.
Speaker 3: That's huge, man, that's huge.
Speaker 8: And dude, don't ask me how I have a fly somehow,
Speaker 8: it's cold as shit here, I have a.
Speaker 3: Fly that's flying around and landing on my camera lines.
Speaker 1: Not to ask you if you had a spirit going
Speaker 1: back and forth, or maybe like a cat's tail that
Speaker 1: was just out of reach now right there at the edge.
Speaker 8: No, and don't don't let my degenerate tattoo here. I
Speaker 8: always get a little freaked out because I feel like
Speaker 8: some people might see it as like some red like
Speaker 8: upside down.
Speaker 3: It was just the market. Yeah, I can assure you.
Speaker 3: I can assure you, sir, that that is not that
Speaker 3: is not the case.
Speaker 8: Yeah, made some mistakes a little back when, but a man,
Speaker 8: yeah you're telling me. But yeah, So as we wrap
Speaker 8: this up, man, I know it's getting laid on your
Speaker 8: end and we've kind of already.
Speaker 3: Is there anything else you want.
Speaker 8: To plug as far as your book goes, and not
Speaker 8: only your book, but I want to get into I
Speaker 8: know you have you have Prometheus Lens.
Speaker 3: You have a I forgot the name of it.
Speaker 8: It's not Patreon, which I find super awesome and interesting.
Speaker 3: But you have another.
Speaker 8: Link or subscription to where you don't have to listen
Speaker 8: to any of the ads and you get a little
Speaker 8: extra content. Can you tell us a little bit about that?
Speaker 1: Yeah, so yeah, you can. You know a lot of
Speaker 1: people go to Apple and Spotify to consume their audio content,
Speaker 1: you know, on YouTube, and I discovered this thing called
Speaker 1: supercast and so it's it's frustrating when you find a
Speaker 1: podcast that you enjoy and you want to get the
Speaker 1: bonus episodes and the extra content and the ad free content,
Speaker 1: and you have to get off of your app that
Speaker 1: you use to consume all your content and log into
Speaker 1: this third party site you know, like Patreon and click
Speaker 1: all these different links and watch them, you know, to
Speaker 1: the side, and can't turn it off and put it
Speaker 1: in your pocket because it kills it turns off the
Speaker 1: audio and all that frustrating stuff. But super Cast is
Speaker 1: like Patreon, but when you sign up for it, it
Speaker 1: links to your favorite player. So once you sign up,
Speaker 1: you just you know, click you know, your Spotify, your
Speaker 1: Apple or Potbean, whatever you listen to to consume content,
Speaker 1: and it links it to your account. So if you
Speaker 1: sign up for my supercast and you love listening to
Speaker 1: your content on Spotify, you pull up your Spotify app
Speaker 1: and boom, you have a new feed of the Prometheus
Speaker 1: lens that has like a little lock icon next to it.
Speaker 1: That's the private feed and everything that I upload to
Speaker 1: Spotify goes on there too, and it's ad free, and
Speaker 1: then all my bonus content that is behind the paywall
Speaker 1: is also in that feed. But at the same time,
Speaker 1: it does operate like Patreon. You can log into super
Speaker 1: cast and there's video content on there like YouTube. There's
Speaker 1: messaging boards, there's ask Me Anythings, links to Facebook groups,
Speaker 1: you know, and all these other things. So you can
Speaker 1: use that, you know, just as you use Patreon, but
Speaker 1: it sinks to your favorite players. So I think that's
Speaker 1: an amazing feature.
Speaker 8: When when you mentioned that, To be quite honest with you,
Speaker 8: I had never heard of super cast before or and
Speaker 8: I love the idea because I've done I've gone the
Speaker 8: Patreon route, I've gone the rock Finn route, and those
Speaker 8: all work, and that's cool and dandy, but it's an extra.
Speaker 8: I like listening to my stuff personally on Apple's that's.
Speaker 3: Just my go to.
Speaker 8: And occasionally I have some some buddies and fellow podcasters
Speaker 8: that only do their stuff on Spotify.
Speaker 3: But what better way. That's genius.
Speaker 8: So yeah, I love it, man, I love it, Hank.
Speaker 8: I don't know if you got any partying words before
Speaker 8: we let mister mister dot go.
Speaker 7: I've got your book in my cart I'll be nice.
Speaker 7: I'm really looking forward to getting that in and reading it.
Speaker 7: And hopefully when we do get it in and we
Speaker 7: get it read, we can have you back on and
Speaker 7: uh try to hit some of hit some highlights throughout
Speaker 7: the book or something, or have a completely different discussion
Speaker 7: or whatever. But this we I know, we didn't touch
Speaker 7: it all the night. You know, I don't think there's
Speaker 7: any way within an hour and a half you can
Speaker 7: cover everything, even.
Speaker 1: That this book's two hundred and seventy pages. You know,
Speaker 1: I'd be even when you go into the genealogies. That's
Speaker 1: a fascinating discussion. He marries into Nephlom giant clans, bursts
Speaker 1: the Amalekite race, whose name means the blood liquors, and
Speaker 1: according to the rabbinant traditions of Rashi, they were shape
Speaker 1: shifters and sorcerers, and that's why God said kill every man, woman, child,
Speaker 1: and animal because they were known to shape shift into
Speaker 1: animals to avoid capture.
Speaker 7: Oh, I love it. I love it. Well.
Speaker 3: Part two let's go, yeah.
Speaker 7: Real quick, plug your plug anything you want to plug
Speaker 7: before we get out of here, and we will make
Speaker 7: sure that we have all these links in the show
Speaker 7: notes for anybody that wants them.
Speaker 1: Well, thank you, man. I appreciate you guys having me
Speaker 1: and give me a platform to talk about some of
Speaker 1: these topics and I just really enjoy these discussions. But yeah, man,
Speaker 1: the podcast is Prometheus Lens Podcast website. I have a website,
Speaker 1: but I'll be upfront with you. I don't update the
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Speaker 1: I have two tiers. I have a four dollars a
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Speaker 1: did I have a ten dollar tier that gets you that,
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Speaker 1: then once a month I do a member's so, just
Speaker 1: like we're doing right now, every single month, I have
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Speaker 9: You know.
Speaker 1: I've had La Marzouli, I've had Derek Gilbert, Gary Wayne,
Speaker 1: just to name a few. So these really highly respected
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Speaker 7: That's awesome. That's awesome. Well, doc, we we can't thank
Speaker 7: you enough for taking time out of your day to
Speaker 7: come talk to us and educate us a little bit.
Speaker 7: Like I said, I was listening to you the other day,
Speaker 7: and half the questions that I asked you were I
Speaker 7: was literally asking you while I was listening to the show,
Speaker 7: except you're actually able to hear them this time. That's
Speaker 7: usually how I listened to podcasts. I try to conversate
Speaker 7: with y'all, but y'all don't hear me. But it's really
Speaker 7: cool when I can get y'all on the show and
Speaker 7: get some of them questions out instead of just out
Speaker 7: of my head. But no, man, it's this has been amazing.
Speaker 7: Like I said, I can't wait to get your book
Speaker 7: in and get it read because I I've got to
Speaker 7: I've gotta know, man, I gotta know what you got
Speaker 7: in between them covers.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this was.
Speaker 7: Something that I've never heard before and makes more sense
Speaker 7: than I care for it to admnicate Admittford that it
Speaker 7: makes because it, like Kyle was saying, is like some
Speaker 7: of this stuff once it hits you, you're just almost
Speaker 7: ashamed of how you didn't see it before. You know,
Speaker 7: it takes a filler such as yourself to point these
Speaker 7: things out. And hey, man, well if we can help
Speaker 7: spread the word that you're out here with some truth,
Speaker 7: and that's we'll do what we can, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I'm a good old boy man. So I
Speaker 1: take a lot of these complex issues and you know,
Speaker 1: scholarly issues and filter it through this Southern twang and
Speaker 1: some good old boy language that you can understand. So
Speaker 1: you know, if you enjoy you know how I talk
Speaker 1: and present things that the book is just like that.
Speaker 1: The book is true to my voice. Uh, there's all
Speaker 1: the Southern misspellings. You'll probably find some typos in there.
Speaker 1: That's my first book, you know what I'm saying. Uh,
Speaker 1: and your humor in there, Yeah, to cover everything, and
Speaker 1: I throw in a lot of jokes. I think even
Speaker 1: at one point I'm talking about creation and I said
Speaker 1: you know, on the seventh day God rested. It ain't
Speaker 1: that he put. He got in his recliner and put
Speaker 1: his feet up and turned on the TV to watch
Speaker 1: the Tennessee v always lose again. So you know me,
Speaker 1: it's heavy topics and and dark topics at times, but
Speaker 1: I insert a lot of just good old boy humor
Speaker 1: and try to keep it true to my voice.
Speaker 7: Sure, I can't wait to get it in. I can't
Speaker 7: wait to read it. And and I once again just
Speaker 7: thank you so much for coming on. And I appreciate
Speaker 7: it to us about this. So everybody, y'all go get
Speaker 7: this man's book. Download it by get it, get it
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Speaker 1: Let's go.
Speaker 7: Let's go, well, fellas. We appreciate y'all. We you know, listeners,
Speaker 7: We love y'all. God bless y'all. We're gonna catch y'all
Speaker 7: next time.
Speaker 9: Ala pasta
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