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Hold out your 30 00:02:18.080 --> 00:02:20.080 glass because we're about to feel it up. 31 00:02:20.199 --> 00:02:23.520 Join us as we travel and explore the vast unknown. 32 00:02:24.000 --> 00:02:28.240 It's a hero's journey with dragons to slay, damsels to save, 33 00:02:28.879 --> 00:02:31.319 and innumerable treasures to hoard. 34 00:02:32.960 --> 00:02:35.319 Our torch is high, you know, look at it from 35 00:02:35.360 --> 00:02:38.039 a different perspective, different perspective. 36 00:02:38.879 --> 00:02:50.120 Oh all right, ladies and gentlemen, we are alive again. 37 00:02:50.199 --> 00:02:52.919 Welcome to the six four thirty double play. I'm your host, 38 00:02:53.520 --> 00:02:56.960 joined by my co host, Chef Kyle, and this week 39 00:02:57.479 --> 00:03:01.439 we are joined by author of the epic of Esau, 40 00:03:01.800 --> 00:03:04.560 newly released book that you can find on Amazon. 41 00:03:04.680 --> 00:03:06.719 The link will be in the description of the show, 42 00:03:07.919 --> 00:03:11.240 author Doc Brown. Good Sir, how. 43 00:03:11.199 --> 00:03:14.159 Are you, hey man, I'm doing well. Hey, thank you, 44 00:03:14.159 --> 00:03:14.960 guys for having me. 45 00:03:16.719 --> 00:03:19.719 Oh man, it's a it's a pleasure, like we were saying, 46 00:03:19.879 --> 00:03:23.039 just shortly go off the off the stream that. 47 00:03:24.800 --> 00:03:27.240 We've we've been listening to your story. 48 00:03:27.199 --> 00:03:33.560 And it's it's definitely something that caught me by surprise. 49 00:03:33.719 --> 00:03:41.680 I haven't quite heard the Bigfoot Esau connection quite pitched 50 00:03:41.680 --> 00:03:42.319 the way. 51 00:03:42.120 --> 00:03:42.759 That you did. 52 00:03:43.439 --> 00:03:45.520 More or less how Esau. 53 00:03:46.000 --> 00:03:52.719 Actually, you know, the whole Sacred Garments story that you 54 00:03:52.800 --> 00:03:58.319 were talking about was just fascinating because, like I said, 55 00:03:58.360 --> 00:04:00.879 growing up, you know, in the Church of they don't 56 00:04:00.919 --> 00:04:05.000 deal with too much fun stuff. We should say, in 57 00:04:05.120 --> 00:04:08.960 the Bible of You're definitely not gonna get any Church 58 00:04:09.000 --> 00:04:14.960 of Christ preachers to talk about the extra canonical books 59 00:04:15.080 --> 00:04:17.000 or Gnostic Gospels. 60 00:04:16.519 --> 00:04:17.279 As it were. 61 00:04:17.759 --> 00:04:23.160 So anything an Enoch Jasher book, you believe you're you're 62 00:04:23.199 --> 00:04:25.720 not gonna hear about it, And so I didn't hear about. 63 00:04:25.519 --> 00:04:27.000 It growing up, And then when I heard you talk 64 00:04:27.000 --> 00:04:28.879 about it, I was like, man, I've seen that movie 65 00:04:28.920 --> 00:04:29.279 that did. 66 00:04:29.480 --> 00:04:31.759 That does make a little bit more sense now that 67 00:04:31.879 --> 00:04:35.319 he's you know, going through Jashure and Eno can talking 68 00:04:35.360 --> 00:04:38.920 about these things. Okay, So I really kind of appreciate 69 00:04:38.959 --> 00:04:41.600 you just even bringing this to the forefront, because if 70 00:04:41.639 --> 00:04:44.000 I know, if I hadn't heard it, then there's millions 71 00:04:44.000 --> 00:04:46.560 of people that's not probably not made these connections. 72 00:04:46.639 --> 00:04:49.759 So without further ado just kind. 73 00:04:49.519 --> 00:04:53.279 Of briefly give us an over an overview of what 74 00:04:53.879 --> 00:04:56.680 the epic of b saw in Tribles. 75 00:04:58.279 --> 00:05:01.040 Yeah, man, is kind of like what you said there. 76 00:05:01.279 --> 00:05:06.639 This is the stuff that's in this book is it's 77 00:05:06.720 --> 00:05:11.480 kind of unsearched territory, you know, I mean, it is 78 00:05:11.560 --> 00:05:14.839 the unknown, and that's something I talk about in the show. 79 00:05:15.160 --> 00:05:18.079 You know, I've kind of coined it the hero's journey, 80 00:05:18.920 --> 00:05:20.920 and it's like you have to go into the unknown. 81 00:05:21.319 --> 00:05:25.360 You have to slay the dragon, rescue the damsel, hoard 82 00:05:25.439 --> 00:05:28.199 up the treasure. But you know then when that's done, 83 00:05:28.199 --> 00:05:29.839 your journey's not over. 84 00:05:29.920 --> 00:05:30.120 Man. 85 00:05:30.480 --> 00:05:32.800 You have to take this prize of great wealth and 86 00:05:33.040 --> 00:05:36.920 come back to humanity and share this prize of great 87 00:05:36.959 --> 00:05:40.120 wealth with the world, and you start the hero's juraming 88 00:05:40.160 --> 00:05:43.040 for someone else. You know, I've heard bits and pieces 89 00:05:43.839 --> 00:05:47.360 of some of these ideas, but it's just always been 90 00:05:47.399 --> 00:05:51.920 just kind of surface level nobody that actually took all 91 00:05:51.959 --> 00:05:54.240 these pieces and put them together and just took a 92 00:05:54.319 --> 00:06:02.160 super deep dive and it's honestly just it's amazing to 93 00:06:02.199 --> 00:06:09.800 rediscover a thought or an idea that these ancient people held. 94 00:06:10.560 --> 00:06:15.879 And as I went through and gathered these pieces, I 95 00:06:15.879 --> 00:06:20.160 started making my own hypothesis and you know, connections on things. 96 00:06:20.959 --> 00:06:26.720 And without fail, almost ninety percent of the time, when 97 00:06:26.759 --> 00:06:29.319 I started looking through some of these ancient writings and 98 00:06:29.399 --> 00:06:35.160 ancient texts, they were saying what I was thinking in 99 00:06:35.199 --> 00:06:38.360 my head. So it was like, you know, Solomon said 100 00:06:38.360 --> 00:06:40.560 it best. You know, nothing new is under the sun. 101 00:06:41.279 --> 00:06:43.519 They will marvel and say they found this new thing, 102 00:06:43.600 --> 00:06:46.160 but no, it is an old thing that was just 103 00:06:46.279 --> 00:06:51.439 lost and now being rediscovered. And the same thing with me. 104 00:06:51.560 --> 00:06:56.360 Even in my church, we kind of talked about some 105 00:06:56.399 --> 00:06:59.040 of these things, but they just really they whitewashed it 106 00:07:00.040 --> 00:07:06.920 and avoided the troublesome spots. And I've heard people, you know, 107 00:07:07.000 --> 00:07:10.360 just kind of postulate just you know, maybe East Saw 108 00:07:10.480 --> 00:07:14.879 was a bigfoot and at the boom that's where it stops. 109 00:07:16.279 --> 00:07:19.600 And I had Trace Smith from God in a Nutshell 110 00:07:20.120 --> 00:07:23.079 on the show, and he made the comment, you know, hey, 111 00:07:23.120 --> 00:07:25.920 you're from East Tennessee, that's bigfoot country. I'll come out 112 00:07:25.920 --> 00:07:29.079 and we'll go bigfoot hunting. One day and maybe record it, 113 00:07:30.360 --> 00:07:32.839 and just out of nowhere, I mean, Genesis twenty five 114 00:07:32.920 --> 00:07:36.240 twenty five popped into my head read that verse I 115 00:07:36.240 --> 00:07:39.639 don't know how many times and never seen it in 116 00:07:39.680 --> 00:07:43.519 this light, and I was like, holy shit. I mean, 117 00:07:44.000 --> 00:07:47.480 if we took the description of the birth of Esau 118 00:07:48.319 --> 00:07:51.160 and seeing someone out in the woods or even on 119 00:07:51.199 --> 00:07:54.959 the street or whatever today, in our modern context, without hesitation, 120 00:07:55.240 --> 00:07:59.240 we would say I seen a sasquatch, I've seen a bigfoot. 121 00:08:00.360 --> 00:08:02.480 So you know, it's for those that's not familiar, you know, 122 00:08:02.519 --> 00:08:05.560 Genesis twenty five, twenty five, it's the birth of a 123 00:08:05.600 --> 00:08:08.759 set of twins. One of them was a regular guy 124 00:08:08.920 --> 00:08:12.439 just like us, and the other one it says he 125 00:08:12.519 --> 00:08:16.160 came out red, covered in hair from head to toe 126 00:08:17.079 --> 00:08:20.480 like a Harry Cloak. So I was like, hey, man, 127 00:08:20.560 --> 00:08:22.560 you think Esau was his first bigfoot, or at least 128 00:08:22.560 --> 00:08:25.600 the first like documented one. And he was like, hey, 129 00:08:25.839 --> 00:08:28.360 you know, never thought of it like that, but you 130 00:08:28.399 --> 00:08:31.680 might be onto something. He was a Harry dude, And 131 00:08:31.720 --> 00:08:35.600 in church I was just taught that this was just 132 00:08:35.919 --> 00:08:38.600 a guy with a good thick beard. He's just a 133 00:08:38.639 --> 00:08:43.000 Harry dude. And the Nephelum giants, Like we were talking 134 00:08:43.039 --> 00:08:46.480 pre roll. Yeah, they mentioned to wear giants and that 135 00:08:46.559 --> 00:08:49.759 there was giants, but they just really downplayed it. Basically, 136 00:08:49.840 --> 00:08:53.799 they were just like Shaquille O'Neill man, Hey, he's a giant. 137 00:08:54.519 --> 00:08:56.679 So it's kind of like what Glight was, Glath was. 138 00:08:56.720 --> 00:08:58.879 He's just a tall dude. 139 00:08:59.600 --> 00:09:02.039 Yeah, but they failed to mention that Goliath would have 140 00:09:02.039 --> 00:09:04.480 been like twice as tall, almost two and a half 141 00:09:04.519 --> 00:09:09.120 times as tall as Shack. And yeah, he wasn't playing basketball. 142 00:09:10.039 --> 00:09:13.720 He was dominating the worlds of men. 143 00:09:15.480 --> 00:09:16.159 Yeah wasn't. 144 00:09:16.159 --> 00:09:20.320 It wasn't Goliath like one of the smaller of the brothers. 145 00:09:21.000 --> 00:09:23.039 Yeah. And that's the thing is just like you know, 146 00:09:23.080 --> 00:09:26.000 the theory of entropy, nothing gets better over time, it 147 00:09:26.039 --> 00:09:29.480 gets worse. So after the flood, you know, it's just 148 00:09:30.240 --> 00:09:32.799 the inner breeding and marrying with these other you know, 149 00:09:32.840 --> 00:09:36.960 regular people, that DNA strand got weaker and weaker, and 150 00:09:37.000 --> 00:09:43.679 so the giants got smaller and smaller. And like with Esau, 151 00:09:44.440 --> 00:09:46.360 I was just taught that, Yeah, this this guy with 152 00:09:46.399 --> 00:09:51.679 a really good beard, uh was a carnal man. And 153 00:09:51.840 --> 00:09:54.399 uh he was a real good hunter and he was 154 00:09:54.399 --> 00:09:57.080 a carnal man. He was ruled by the desires of 155 00:09:57.120 --> 00:09:59.360 the flesh and his gut. You know, he didn't think 156 00:09:59.399 --> 00:10:01.759 of the few. True, it was just if he was hungry, 157 00:10:01.840 --> 00:10:05.559 he would give you the shirt off of his back 158 00:10:05.639 --> 00:10:08.639 and you know, just just to get what he wanted. Now, 159 00:10:08.840 --> 00:10:11.480 so they kind of painted him just like this knuckle 160 00:10:11.559 --> 00:10:16.759 dragging caveman with no intelligence, and that's not the case 161 00:10:16.960 --> 00:10:23.360 at all. And so but oh, I'm sorry to go ahead. 162 00:10:23.759 --> 00:10:24.799 No, you're good, You're good. 163 00:10:24.879 --> 00:10:28.840 I'm sorry to interrupt, just kind of going back and 164 00:10:28.960 --> 00:10:32.919 talking about, you know, like the church. I know both 165 00:10:32.960 --> 00:10:35.840 you and Hank both grew up in the church and 166 00:10:35.840 --> 00:10:41.080 and they don't get into all of this. And my question, 167 00:10:41.159 --> 00:10:45.480 I guess to both of you guys. First, first for you, Doc, 168 00:10:45.559 --> 00:10:47.519 but what why do you think that is? Do you 169 00:10:47.559 --> 00:10:52.320 think that the that the people preaching the word don't 170 00:10:52.360 --> 00:10:57.720 fully understand it or do it? Or do you think 171 00:10:57.759 --> 00:11:01.080 that they do know that there is some like kind 172 00:11:01.080 --> 00:11:03.399 of weird things going on with the Bible, they just 173 00:11:03.440 --> 00:11:04.840 don't want to speak about it. 174 00:11:06.480 --> 00:11:09.440 I think it's fifty to fifty, but Mac actually, let 175 00:11:09.480 --> 00:11:14.080 me rephrase that, it's probably you know, eighty twenty. I'd 176 00:11:14.080 --> 00:11:16.960 say eighty percent of them are ignorant of the own 177 00:11:17.000 --> 00:11:22.519 books that they're teaching about. They're just you know, especially 178 00:11:22.559 --> 00:11:26.080 in the South, a large majority of the preachers don't 179 00:11:26.120 --> 00:11:29.080 go to seminary, you know. I mean, they're good old boys. 180 00:11:29.440 --> 00:11:32.279 They grew up in the church and set under a 181 00:11:32.279 --> 00:11:35.919 pastor for twenty thirty years, and they only got one 182 00:11:36.000 --> 00:11:39.879 perspective on the Bible their entire life, and when that 183 00:11:39.919 --> 00:11:42.600 pastor retired, they stepped into their spot and they're just 184 00:11:42.639 --> 00:11:45.639 repeating the same teachings and ideas that that pastor had, 185 00:11:46.559 --> 00:11:50.759 so they're ignorant to a lot of these different thought 186 00:11:50.799 --> 00:11:55.440 processes and theologies. And then the other twenty percent that 187 00:11:55.600 --> 00:11:58.799 actually went to seminary and kind of got exposed to 188 00:11:58.840 --> 00:12:02.919 some of this stuff, they think that the people in 189 00:12:02.960 --> 00:12:06.600 the church are too ignorant for this type of information, 190 00:12:06.919 --> 00:12:09.960 they ain't ready for it. So it's like they protect 191 00:12:10.000 --> 00:12:14.440 them from the weird stuff of the Bible. I mean, 192 00:12:14.440 --> 00:12:15.279 that's my opinion. 193 00:12:17.600 --> 00:12:21.440 Yeah, yeah, Kyle, You've pardon me talk about it before, 194 00:12:21.639 --> 00:12:25.039 But especially down here in the South, a lot of 195 00:12:25.120 --> 00:12:32.200 people that go to church only go to the church 196 00:12:32.240 --> 00:12:36.279 that they go to because that's what their parents did, 197 00:12:37.279 --> 00:12:39.360 and the only reason that their parents went to that 198 00:12:39.480 --> 00:12:41.879 church is because that's where their parents went to church, 199 00:12:42.600 --> 00:12:48.240 and so you end up with generations within the same 200 00:12:48.360 --> 00:12:56.080 family never faltering between what they believe. It's like Doc said, 201 00:12:56.159 --> 00:12:59.080 you get one man that preaches out of a full 202 00:12:59.120 --> 00:13:03.159 pit for forty five years, and then somebody that he's 203 00:13:03.200 --> 00:13:06.559 preached to for forty fifty years takes his place and 204 00:13:06.639 --> 00:13:10.320 preaches the same thing until he's replaced by somebody that 205 00:13:10.360 --> 00:13:14.759 will preach the same thing. If I were to try 206 00:13:14.799 --> 00:13:17.879 to have this conversation with anybody that I grew up 207 00:13:17.919 --> 00:13:22.159 going to church with, this wouldn't happen, Like they wouldn't 208 00:13:22.279 --> 00:13:28.240 be able to conceptually acknowledge that this is a reality. 209 00:13:29.519 --> 00:13:34.639 To them, Genesis six holds no significance, no more significance 210 00:13:34.720 --> 00:13:38.200 than any other verse in about the To them, Esau 211 00:13:38.519 --> 00:13:42.240 was just some dude with an unruly beard. He probably 212 00:13:42.240 --> 00:13:44.360 wore his hair a little too long. He probably has 213 00:13:44.399 --> 00:13:48.639 some thick old Jason Kelsey eyebrows. You know, probably looked 214 00:13:48.639 --> 00:13:53.000 a little teen wolfish. But no, he wasn't some He 215 00:13:53.159 --> 00:13:59.720 wasn't some dude that literally deceived. His father felt his 216 00:14:00.080 --> 00:14:04.799 other wearing the sheet or the fur of a goat, 217 00:14:05.240 --> 00:14:08.240 and his dad thought it was Esau like, this is 218 00:14:08.279 --> 00:14:11.200 how Harry this dude was was like his dad put 219 00:14:11.320 --> 00:14:14.480 hands on him. It was goat's fur. And he's like, Okay, 220 00:14:14.480 --> 00:14:21.480 you're Esauce. That's not just an unruly beard and bushy eyebrows. 221 00:14:21.559 --> 00:14:25.279 You know what I'm saying. This is something entirely different. 222 00:14:25.960 --> 00:14:29.679 And before you ever knew about esau being born red, 223 00:14:29.720 --> 00:14:35.240 which I'm assuming was tonight, right, Kyle, Yes, what did 224 00:14:35.279 --> 00:14:38.799 you know about people with red hair? What's the running 225 00:14:38.879 --> 00:14:40.159 joke with redheaded people? 226 00:14:42.279 --> 00:14:48.840 Nephim possibly having ties different blood type? 227 00:14:49.120 --> 00:14:49.840 Very rare? 228 00:14:51.720 --> 00:14:54.399 Here you go, so so, doc, let me ask you, 229 00:14:54.480 --> 00:14:57.159 because Kyle likes to butter me up to all of 230 00:14:57.159 --> 00:15:00.879 our guests when we have Bible talks, and he likes 231 00:15:00.919 --> 00:15:04.799 to paint me up as some learned man of the Scripture. 232 00:15:05.120 --> 00:15:07.720 And while I did grow up in the church, like 233 00:15:08.519 --> 00:15:12.960 I'm not a theologian by any stretch of the imagination, 234 00:15:13.080 --> 00:15:17.240 I've got a very rudimentary understanding of what I understand. 235 00:15:18.720 --> 00:15:21.600 The more that we've done this podcast, the more reluctant 236 00:15:21.639 --> 00:15:25.639 I've actually gotten to talk about this stuff, because I've 237 00:15:25.639 --> 00:15:27.759 realized there's a lot that I say I believe, but 238 00:15:27.840 --> 00:15:30.080 I can't explain why I believe it, and so do 239 00:15:30.159 --> 00:15:33.240 I even believe it, you know, So I'm kind of 240 00:15:33.320 --> 00:15:35.440 just like, maybe I should shut the hell up before 241 00:15:35.519 --> 00:15:38.639 I get somebody else's soul in trouble, and then that's 242 00:15:38.679 --> 00:15:41.960 on my hands too. But anyway, let me ask you 243 00:15:42.000 --> 00:15:45.039 this where who was Esau's father? 244 00:15:46.799 --> 00:15:53.200 Yeah, Esau's father was Isaac, the promise of Rebecca and Abraham. 245 00:15:53.240 --> 00:15:59.080 How do you think how do you think Esau's DNA 246 00:15:59.440 --> 00:16:01.679 ended up like it was for him to be born 247 00:16:01.879 --> 00:16:06.759 redheaded and cloaked in hair. Do you think there was 248 00:16:06.919 --> 00:16:12.159 some tom fule, you know, some nephilimic tomfoolery that was 249 00:16:12.240 --> 00:16:18.759 going down or was there something with Isaac that allowed 250 00:16:18.840 --> 00:16:23.080 him to pass down this too? He saw himself? 251 00:16:24.480 --> 00:16:28.960 Yeah, and man, obviously you know, if we look at 252 00:16:28.960 --> 00:16:35.559 the birth, he was obviously different. And when Rebecca became pregnant, 253 00:16:36.279 --> 00:16:38.240 and the story in Genesis it says that, you know, 254 00:16:38.320 --> 00:16:41.919 she was getting up there in age and hadn't produced 255 00:16:42.159 --> 00:16:46.360 any children, and she was barren, and she was worried. 256 00:16:47.720 --> 00:16:52.519 And in the ancient world that was the woman's job duty. 257 00:16:52.679 --> 00:16:58.120 Her worth was wrapped in to producing offspring and more 258 00:16:58.159 --> 00:16:59.879 specifically a male heir. 259 00:17:00.159 --> 00:17:00.320 Yep. 260 00:17:01.519 --> 00:17:05.079 And so she was worried that, you know, if she 261 00:17:05.119 --> 00:17:07.200 couldn't do this, that he would just toss her to 262 00:17:07.200 --> 00:17:10.880 the side and replace her with a younger woman that could, 263 00:17:11.119 --> 00:17:17.640 that was fertile, and so at her birth, this Angel 264 00:17:17.680 --> 00:17:21.799 of the Lord appears to her and tells her, warns her, 265 00:17:21.960 --> 00:17:28.240 and he says, you know, two nations, two peoples are 266 00:17:28.279 --> 00:17:32.359 in your womb, and they struggle together within your womb. 267 00:17:33.240 --> 00:17:35.519 And he said, one shall be stronger than the other. 268 00:17:36.440 --> 00:17:41.039 He says, but the younger shall rule over the older. 269 00:17:42.519 --> 00:17:46.079 So if you, you know, to understand anything properly, you 270 00:17:46.160 --> 00:17:50.200 have to step into the mindset of the person of 271 00:17:50.240 --> 00:17:54.440 the story. You know, if we're trying to interpret this, 272 00:17:54.680 --> 00:17:57.480 you know, thousands of year old text with our modern 273 00:17:57.920 --> 00:18:01.000 lens in viewpoint, we're gonna it's the entire point of 274 00:18:01.039 --> 00:18:04.240 the story because this is, you know, an ancient text 275 00:18:04.240 --> 00:18:09.680 written by ancient people to ancient people. So if an 276 00:18:09.720 --> 00:18:12.640 ancient person reading this, it's going to be a red 277 00:18:12.640 --> 00:18:15.319 flag right from the get go. It's like whoa, whoa. 278 00:18:16.039 --> 00:18:19.799 This guy's Harry all over had the toe and you said, 279 00:18:19.799 --> 00:18:24.079 there's how can there be two different people groups in 280 00:18:24.119 --> 00:18:27.559 this womb? And they're going to be an enmity with 281 00:18:27.559 --> 00:18:29.720 one another. They're going to be struggling in the womb. 282 00:18:30.519 --> 00:18:32.599 And then you're going to say that the youngest is 283 00:18:32.599 --> 00:18:35.480 supposed to rule over the oldest. No, that's backward. The 284 00:18:35.519 --> 00:18:40.359 oldest gets the birth right and the youngest serves the older. 285 00:18:41.160 --> 00:18:44.240 So immediately all these red flags are going off to 286 00:18:44.359 --> 00:18:50.440 the ancient reader. And this is not far removed from 287 00:18:50.640 --> 00:18:54.519 the event in the Garden of Eden. And in the 288 00:18:54.559 --> 00:18:59.559 Garden of Eden, at the rebellion and the fall, God 289 00:18:59.559 --> 00:19:04.400 gives the curses and prophecies, and they caught the pro 290 00:19:05.200 --> 00:19:09.000 proto Evangelium, you know, the first good News, you know Gospel, 291 00:19:10.039 --> 00:19:13.680 and in there the woman, it says that the woman 292 00:19:14.359 --> 00:19:18.680 shall have a seed, and that the serpent shall have 293 00:19:18.720 --> 00:19:23.119 a seed, and that they would be at enmity with 294 00:19:23.200 --> 00:19:30.359 one another. And it says that the woman's seeds head 295 00:19:30.920 --> 00:19:36.720 will be bruised by the serpents, and that the woman's 296 00:19:36.759 --> 00:19:42.920 seed will bruise or the heel. So you have a 297 00:19:42.960 --> 00:19:45.319 bruising of a head and a bruising of a heel, 298 00:19:45.359 --> 00:19:48.880 and this prophecy, and so just a few chapters later 299 00:19:49.079 --> 00:19:53.200 in this same book, here's this birth and it says 300 00:19:53.240 --> 00:19:55.160 that you know, one come out red covered and hair 301 00:19:55.200 --> 00:20:00.839 like a Harry Cloak. But Esaul is literally taking his 302 00:20:00.880 --> 00:20:04.559 foot and pushing on Jacob's head to get out of 303 00:20:04.599 --> 00:20:08.799 that womb, And it gives us extra detail for a reason. 304 00:20:09.279 --> 00:20:14.079 It says that Jacob is holding the heel of Esau. 305 00:20:15.279 --> 00:20:21.680 So this is a polaroid of Genesis three fifteen. You know, 306 00:20:21.880 --> 00:20:27.960 I think that that Esau was a serpent seed. And 307 00:20:28.079 --> 00:20:30.640 when I say that, man a lot of Christians and stuff, 308 00:20:30.680 --> 00:20:33.400 even the ones that are you know, more fringy and 309 00:20:33.480 --> 00:20:36.759 into this stuff that we talk about here kind of 310 00:20:36.759 --> 00:20:41.920 recoil at this notion. But I'm like, that's what the 311 00:20:42.039 --> 00:20:43.759 entire biblical narrative is about. 312 00:20:44.759 --> 00:20:44.920 You know. 313 00:20:45.000 --> 00:20:47.519 It says the spirit of God came down and hovered 314 00:20:47.559 --> 00:20:52.920 over Mary and impregnated her. You got the angels coming 315 00:20:52.960 --> 00:20:55.319 down in Genesis six breeding with the daughters of men, 316 00:20:56.440 --> 00:21:00.519 creating these hybrid beings. You go into the ancient legends 317 00:21:00.519 --> 00:21:04.599 and mythosa of the Greeks and many other cultures. You 318 00:21:04.640 --> 00:21:07.960 have like Hercules. While people fail to realize Hercules had 319 00:21:07.960 --> 00:21:13.880 a twin. His brother was completely normal human, but he 320 00:21:14.880 --> 00:21:18.039 had a different father. He had Zeus as his father. 321 00:21:18.160 --> 00:21:21.200 So you had a normal child and a child that 322 00:21:21.319 --> 00:21:26.839 was the offspring of a heavenly being Perseus. Perseus had 323 00:21:26.839 --> 00:21:31.960 a twin and once again regular human brother. He was 324 00:21:31.960 --> 00:21:36.079 of semi divine origin, So why would this be any 325 00:21:36.079 --> 00:21:40.799 different from the rest of them. So and we can 326 00:21:40.920 --> 00:21:44.279 argue back and forth. You know, was this a physical thing? 327 00:21:44.400 --> 00:21:51.000 Did you know, the serpent, the nakash Satan come down 328 00:21:51.240 --> 00:21:55.359 and have sex with Rebecca? Or was this a spiritual thing, 329 00:21:55.559 --> 00:21:58.119 like you know, he just kind of hovered over her 330 00:21:58.759 --> 00:22:00.920 like the spirit of God did with Mary. I mean, 331 00:22:01.000 --> 00:22:04.799 we don't know. The text just doesn't say, but I postulate, 332 00:22:05.480 --> 00:22:10.559 you know, in the book, and that's when Isaac went 333 00:22:10.599 --> 00:22:12.480 to go get a wife. He goes to the land 334 00:22:12.519 --> 00:22:15.440 of Haran. And when you look at the history of 335 00:22:15.440 --> 00:22:19.880 the people of Haran, they were pagans. They worshiped many gods, 336 00:22:20.599 --> 00:22:24.680 and one of those gods was named sam Quain and 337 00:22:25.400 --> 00:22:28.920 you hear about him in the Epica Gilgamesh. Because this 338 00:22:28.960 --> 00:22:31.200 guy inky Do that's also covered in hare from head 339 00:22:31.240 --> 00:22:34.279 to toe is said that he was made in the 340 00:22:34.279 --> 00:22:36.799 image of this god, and he was covered in hare 341 00:22:36.880 --> 00:22:40.599 from head to toe. And you know, you have fawness 342 00:22:41.680 --> 00:22:47.160 in the Roman Pantheon, Sylvanus pan Uh, all of these 343 00:22:47.400 --> 00:22:52.240 you know, fertility gods were covered in haired and they 344 00:22:52.240 --> 00:22:55.079 were like these these wild beastly you know, kind of 345 00:22:55.119 --> 00:23:00.400 chimera guys. And the handmaid and also came with Rebecca 346 00:23:00.839 --> 00:23:05.640 back with Isaac. So and when they go to get her, Yeah, 347 00:23:05.680 --> 00:23:09.400 they talked to their father and it's like eli Asar, 348 00:23:09.480 --> 00:23:11.200 the cup bear of Abraham, was like, I'm here to 349 00:23:11.200 --> 00:23:15.880 give a son, get my master's son a wife. And 350 00:23:16.160 --> 00:23:19.559 he worships the god of Yahweh, and we're interested in 351 00:23:19.599 --> 00:23:25.759 your daughter there and he says, ay this Yahweh, we 352 00:23:25.799 --> 00:23:29.319 can speak neither good nor evil of this god. So 353 00:23:29.359 --> 00:23:31.519 it shows you they did'nt know who he was because 354 00:23:31.519 --> 00:23:34.359 they worshiped all these other gods. So I oppose the question. 355 00:23:34.559 --> 00:23:36.920 With her being as desperate as she was, you know, 356 00:23:37.000 --> 00:23:39.240 Baron not be able to have a child and fraid 357 00:23:39.240 --> 00:23:42.039 that she was going to be cast out, would it 358 00:23:42.039 --> 00:23:44.039 be out of the question for this woman that came 359 00:23:44.079 --> 00:23:48.720 from a foreign land worshiped these fertility harry gods to 360 00:23:48.920 --> 00:23:52.559 pray and maybe offer sacrifice for her womb to be 361 00:23:52.599 --> 00:23:57.640 blessed and then the result is esau or even unbeknownst 362 00:23:57.680 --> 00:24:01.599 to her maybe the handmaiden prayed to this fertility god 363 00:24:01.640 --> 00:24:05.400 and offered some sacrifices for her lady. But either way, 364 00:24:05.440 --> 00:24:09.519 I mean, you have this guy that was born looking 365 00:24:09.640 --> 00:24:12.119 like these fertility gods, covered in hair from head to toe, 366 00:24:12.519 --> 00:24:18.519 and doctor ancient Jewish texts like Lewis Ginsburg. He compiled 367 00:24:18.519 --> 00:24:22.000 a nine book series called Legends of the Jews. In 368 00:24:22.039 --> 00:24:25.480 there they say that Jacob had a guardian angel and 369 00:24:25.519 --> 00:24:30.960 it was Gabriel, and that Esau had a guardian angel too, 370 00:24:31.119 --> 00:24:35.400 but his guardian angel was Semi l which was the 371 00:24:35.519 --> 00:24:39.880 name of Satan before the fall YEP. And it said 372 00:24:39.880 --> 00:24:45.319 that he was born with a serpent's marking on his body, 373 00:24:45.920 --> 00:24:49.720 basically like a serpent brand. So the people of this time, 374 00:24:51.000 --> 00:24:54.000 whether it's true or not, that's what they believed. 375 00:24:54.200 --> 00:24:54.920 Esau was. 376 00:25:00.160 --> 00:25:06.960 Definitely behind. Sorry, no, it's great because even though that's 377 00:25:07.000 --> 00:25:09.400 not the first time I heard it, it's still just 378 00:25:09.440 --> 00:25:11.640 a smack in the face every time I hear it, 379 00:25:11.680 --> 00:25:14.559 because that's not what you hear when you go to church. 380 00:25:16.160 --> 00:25:18.440 Nobody talks about this in church, and if you do, 381 00:25:18.559 --> 00:25:23.279 I want to go to your church. But this is 382 00:25:23.400 --> 00:25:25.519 I mean, this is just absolutely and when you lay 383 00:25:25.559 --> 00:25:29.319 it out like you do, because you're going between the 384 00:25:29.359 --> 00:25:35.000 Bible and what would be considered extra canonical books, which, 385 00:25:35.240 --> 00:25:39.519 as you explained, because I listened to your your episode 386 00:25:39.559 --> 00:25:43.039 that you did, it was just a couple of episodes. 387 00:25:43.200 --> 00:25:49.880 You you were on a gentleman's you were with broadcasting 388 00:25:50.079 --> 00:25:53.359 seats where you talked about the epic of Esau, and 389 00:25:53.400 --> 00:26:02.400 then y'all's conversation you talked about how you ever thought 390 00:26:02.440 --> 00:26:05.079 that you were let me rephrase this that when you 391 00:26:05.079 --> 00:26:14.200 were reading their Genesis, how Genesis leaves a lot uh unanswered, 392 00:26:14.240 --> 00:26:19.839 you were left Genesis with more QUI started. Yeah, and 393 00:26:20.359 --> 00:26:24.240 you postulate that it's probably because the books of Jash 394 00:26:24.359 --> 00:26:26.599 or the books of these or at least the stories 395 00:26:26.640 --> 00:26:31.680 within them were at the very least well known oral traditions, 396 00:26:31.960 --> 00:26:35.240 to the point that the author of Genesis didn't find 397 00:26:35.279 --> 00:26:40.119 it prevalent on the issue enough to recount the stories. 398 00:26:40.799 --> 00:26:42.319 Yeah. 399 00:26:42.359 --> 00:26:47.640 And so if we didn't even have these extra canonical books, 400 00:26:47.680 --> 00:26:52.400 we'd never have these answers. Yeah, you know, and I 401 00:26:52.440 --> 00:26:56.400