1 00:00:02,319 --> 00:00:08,880 Speaker 1: Is pet Life Radio. Let's talk pets. Welcome to Animal 2 00:00:08,960 --> 00:00:12,119 Rights on pet Life Radio. That's your host, Tim Link, 3 00:00:12,160 --> 00:00:14,640 and I'm super excited to have you here today. We've 4 00:00:14,640 --> 00:00:16,839 got a good friend of the show, as they say, 5 00:00:17,399 --> 00:00:20,920 a master novelist, a mystery writer, a thriller writer. He 6 00:00:21,559 --> 00:00:23,760 wears a lot of different hats. And of course we're 7 00:00:23,760 --> 00:00:27,640 talking about Jeffery D. Burton and his latest book, The 8 00:00:27,719 --> 00:00:30,640 Boy in the Wall. Isn't it a crazy title? 9 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:32,200 Speaker 2: I want to dig into that and find out what 10 00:00:32,240 --> 00:00:33,159 that's all about too. 11 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:35,759 Speaker 1: So we'll come back after this commercial break and talk 12 00:00:35,799 --> 00:00:38,799 to Jeffery a little bit about the book, and then 13 00:00:38,799 --> 00:00:41,759 we'll wrap it up with some of his writing. Masterful 14 00:00:42,479 --> 00:00:44,320 ways he goes about doing things, so we can all 15 00:00:44,399 --> 00:00:46,880 learn from the best. So everybody, hang tight. 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Jeffrey, 32 00:01:52,560 --> 00:01:53,519 welcome back to the show. 33 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:56,120 Speaker 5: Oh, thanks, Tim, It's always a pleasure to be here. 34 00:01:56,560 --> 00:01:58,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, we're super excited about And I know we talked 35 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:01,599 last time about you rock and rolling on a new book, 36 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:04,719 and I don't recall the name of the book, which 37 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:07,920 I thought was very fascinating, The Boy in the Wall. 38 00:02:08,319 --> 00:02:09,599 So tell us a little bit about the book and 39 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:11,159 then how that title came about. 40 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:14,520 Speaker 5: Yeah, basically, for folks that haven't read any of my books, 41 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:18,280 I have kind of made the human remains. The detection dogs, 42 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:21,759 cadaver dogs and their dog handlers are the protagonists when 43 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:24,120 you read a mystery, maybe the sheriff for you know, 44 00:02:24,159 --> 00:02:27,840 the police chief for the FBI. They'll call in cadaver 45 00:02:28,039 --> 00:02:31,159 dogs to search a field or you know, pond or 46 00:02:31,199 --> 00:02:33,759 swamp or something, and they find the body and then 47 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:36,319 they go right back to the main stars. But in 48 00:02:36,439 --> 00:02:40,800 my novels, it's the dog handler. And in The Boy 49 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:43,439 in the Wall, he's got Alice, which is an eighty 50 00:02:43,479 --> 00:02:47,599 pound Bloodhound, and Rex, which is kind of a goofy 51 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:52,520 forty five pound Springer Spaniel and what came to me 52 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:55,560 the Boy in the Wall kind of not major spoiler 53 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:59,439 since it happens early on, but Corey Pratt is the 54 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:03,360 dog handler, and he's in his early twenties. There's been 55 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:05,159 a little bit of troma in his life. And his 56 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:08,719 sister is eight years older and she's a Chicago police 57 00:03:08,759 --> 00:03:13,439 detective and he runs a dog obedient school, but he 58 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:18,400 also trains cadaver dogs, and so he gets peer pressured. 59 00:03:18,439 --> 00:03:22,719 He gets his sister kind of pushes him into going 60 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:28,080 to a elementary school, you know, it's kindergarten through fifth 61 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:31,000 and kind of show the kids, you know, what dogs 62 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:33,439 can do, what commands they can follow, and just kind 63 00:03:33,439 --> 00:03:35,919 of have fun and get them interested. And so he 64 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:39,159 goes and he does that and winds up doing okay, 65 00:03:39,639 --> 00:03:43,759 And the principal brings him to the cafeteria afterwards to 66 00:03:43,919 --> 00:03:46,159 have some treats and stuff. He's not going to turn 67 00:03:46,199 --> 00:03:50,840 down that. And the school was remodeled, just completely remodeled 68 00:03:50,919 --> 00:03:54,840 over the summer, and so he's having fun with the principal. 69 00:03:54,919 --> 00:03:57,879 He's looking she bought some really fancy cookies. He's wondering 70 00:03:57,919 --> 00:04:00,439 how he can sneak out half a dozen. And the 71 00:04:00,439 --> 00:04:03,719 principal says to him, what are your dogs doing? And 72 00:04:03,759 --> 00:04:07,680 he looks over and the bloodhound is sitting there and 73 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:13,120 facing the new cafeteria wall and kind of patting on 74 00:04:13,159 --> 00:04:17,439 the ground, and the Springer Spaniel Rex is looking his way, 75 00:04:17,519 --> 00:04:20,319 and I'm just about to start barking because they've alerted 76 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:22,639 him to something that is inside the wall. 77 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:23,680 Speaker 2: Oh boy. 78 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:28,199 Speaker 5: And that's where it begins. So fortunately the title the 79 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:31,759 Boy in the Wall doesn't five pages in, you're already okay, 80 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:33,399 no big spoiler alert. 81 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:36,480 Speaker 1: But still it jumps right, I mean to me, it 82 00:04:36,519 --> 00:04:40,000 jumps right at you. The title self explanatory. So I 83 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:43,439 was assuming you didn't have a hook from that angle. 84 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:45,759 You know, there's a there's a boy in the wall. 85 00:04:45,879 --> 00:04:47,839 My god, So it hits you right in the face. 86 00:04:47,879 --> 00:04:50,519 I think the title's fantastic, and then it hits you, 87 00:04:50,519 --> 00:04:53,199 you know, Okay, this is the story about the dogs 88 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:56,759 finding the child in the wall. Now what happens from there? 89 00:04:57,040 --> 00:04:59,240 You know, that's that's the key and the thriller behind 90 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:01,160 it all, and who did and when it happened and 91 00:05:01,199 --> 00:05:05,000 all the wonderful stuff. And it always starts with cookies. 92 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:05,800 So that's good. 93 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:06,720 Speaker 2: It's a. 94 00:05:07,959 --> 00:05:11,720 Speaker 5: You know, it's kind of fun is you know, everybody 95 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:15,120 has something that's in their family tree, you know, not 96 00:05:15,279 --> 00:05:18,920 like deep dark secrets like Harlan Coben novel, but there's 97 00:05:18,959 --> 00:05:21,879 stuff you know, maybe great grandfather did this or that. 98 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:24,879 Without giving too much away, I thought, well, what if 99 00:05:24,959 --> 00:05:29,040 something from the past, from the deep past, from generation 100 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:33,519 to go collides with the present and the authorities are 101 00:05:33,560 --> 00:05:36,519 at a loss because it's hard for them to find 102 00:05:36,519 --> 00:05:42,199 a motive. And so that's kind of kind of where 103 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:46,000 it kind of proceeds to dive into nice. 104 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:46,759 Speaker 2: Nice. 105 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:50,759 Speaker 1: So we have the main cast. I love, first of all, 106 00:05:50,759 --> 00:05:53,199 the dogs rule the book, which is always a good 107 00:05:53,199 --> 00:05:56,600 thing for me. But any new, surprising new characters in 108 00:05:56,639 --> 00:06:00,879 there from the fans have been reading your thrillers, I. 109 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:06,000 Speaker 5: Think for Corey. Uh. He's about twenty two or twenty three, 110 00:06:06,079 --> 00:06:09,399 and later on in high school, his parents had gone 111 00:06:09,399 --> 00:06:12,399 out for a date and wound up in a car 112 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:16,079 accident in Chicago. Sometimes the winner will come in right 113 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:18,600 off the lake, and so that kind of sent him 114 00:06:18,639 --> 00:06:21,040 into a you know, a pretty much of a funk. 115 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:24,279 And his sister moved back home to try to hope 116 00:06:24,279 --> 00:06:27,120 that she could drag him out of his shell. And 117 00:06:27,319 --> 00:06:29,680 he was lucky enough to make it through high school 118 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:32,160 and she got him, well, let's get you. You know, 119 00:06:32,399 --> 00:06:35,959 their dad was a veterinarian. Let's you were training dogs 120 00:06:35,959 --> 00:06:38,600 with dad. Let's get you. She was trying to, you know, 121 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:40,720 pull the guy out of his shell and got him 122 00:06:40,759 --> 00:06:44,759 into doing a dog obedient school. He's not the greatest 123 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:48,199 business man. He enjoys, you know, working with the dogs, 124 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:51,079 but he needs some help when it comes to kind 125 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:55,079 of business acumen. And so he's gone back to kind 126 00:06:55,120 --> 00:07:00,240 of part time at a community ed school for for 127 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:03,759 some computer classes where he meets a girl. He meets 128 00:07:03,759 --> 00:07:08,000 a girl. He meets a girl and she gets drawn 129 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:11,120 into some of the adventure in the book. 130 00:07:11,319 --> 00:07:12,560 Speaker 2: I Love That, I Love It. 131 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:16,319 Speaker 1: Now in this particular series, is this number three in 132 00:07:16,399 --> 00:07:18,920 the series, Is that correct? Or yeah? 133 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:22,839 Speaker 5: It started with the Dead years and then last year 134 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:25,800 was the second grave, and then The Boy in the 135 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:30,519 Wall just came out, and I've got oh at my feet, 136 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:36,360 I've got my beagle Milo, and I pretty much model 137 00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:42,120 Rex Rex the Springer Spaniel after him, just he's goofy 138 00:07:42,279 --> 00:07:44,839 and good hearted. Although I don't know if a dozen 139 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:49,160 squirrels or rabbits in the backyard would share that opinion. 140 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:54,040 I think they'd probably say Milt's a serial killer. 141 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:57,079 Speaker 1: It's a sin. He's the share of what you had 142 00:07:57,120 --> 00:08:00,720 around this place. That's fantastic. Well, then, books, though, I 143 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:02,360 will say that, you know, even though they're part of 144 00:08:02,399 --> 00:08:04,839 a series and you get sort of wrapped into the characters, 145 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:07,439 they are standalone books. You know, you can pick up 146 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:09,079 one and pick up The Boy in the Wall right 147 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:12,959 now and read through it and really have a good thriller, 148 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:16,240 a real good mystery behind and fall in love with 149 00:08:16,279 --> 00:08:18,680 the characters and then work your way back, or you know, 150 00:08:18,879 --> 00:08:21,680 start the beginning the series either way exactly. 151 00:08:21,920 --> 00:08:24,560 Speaker 5: I think I'm pretty good where the book starts, and 152 00:08:24,600 --> 00:08:27,800 in the first few paragraphs or pages you meet the 153 00:08:27,879 --> 00:08:31,879 characters and their relationship and so yeah, you don't really 154 00:08:31,879 --> 00:08:34,200 have to read them in order. It's not like, you know, 155 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:36,879 Lord of the Rings or anything like that. It's a 156 00:08:36,919 --> 00:08:40,279 standalone adventure with each book. You know, it's kind of 157 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:45,200 like human Remains detection dogs. Each time they find human remains, 158 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:48,440 there's going to be some sort of a mystery, and 159 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:52,679 every now and then they wind up opening a Pandora's 160 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:54,759 box with a discovery. 161 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:56,720 Speaker 1: And I love obviously, I love your writing and love 162 00:08:56,799 --> 00:08:58,679 what you do, but I love the fact that, you know, 163 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:01,720 I talk to a lot of great authors out there, 164 00:09:01,759 --> 00:09:04,519 including yourself, and they write a lot of different mysteries 165 00:09:04,519 --> 00:09:06,679 and thrillers and they own have their own unique angle, 166 00:09:06,759 --> 00:09:08,840 but yours. I love the fact that starts off to 167 00:09:08,919 --> 00:09:11,440 me very simple. You know, you got a guy, got 168 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:14,840 to figure out life, why not train some dogs? And 169 00:09:14,960 --> 00:09:17,360 next thing you know, he's knee deep into all these 170 00:09:17,559 --> 00:09:20,159 thrillers and mysteries in Shenanigan. 171 00:09:20,279 --> 00:09:21,879 Speaker 2: So it was like it. 172 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:24,120 Speaker 1: Started off, Okay, let's find you a good life, and 173 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:26,879 now it's like, oh my gosh, how can I get sometimes? 174 00:09:26,919 --> 00:09:28,879 How can I get away from this life? Because it's 175 00:09:28,919 --> 00:09:31,559 everything I turn around, it's some sort of chaos going. 176 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:36,120 Speaker 5: On right right. I've made the dogs, you know, Springer 177 00:09:36,159 --> 00:09:39,320 Spaniel on a bloodhound where he gets into trouble and 178 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:42,080 they're great dogs, but they're not like you know, a 179 00:09:42,159 --> 00:09:46,320 pit bull or German shepherd or anything. So there's still 180 00:09:46,399 --> 00:09:49,200 the fear factor where you're like, oh my goodness. And 181 00:09:49,840 --> 00:09:52,840 the dogs aren't really trained as attack dogs or any 182 00:09:52,919 --> 00:09:58,200 anything like that. But he gets into predicaments and you 183 00:09:58,240 --> 00:10:00,440 hope he and his sister and the dogs we'll be 184 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:04,240 able to help remove him from the predicaments. 185 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:07,279 Speaker 1: Exactly exactly, We won't say if they do or not. 186 00:10:07,519 --> 00:10:10,200 We'll leave a cliffhanger there for sure. All right, We're 187 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:12,039 going to take a quick commercial break. We'll come back 188 00:10:12,080 --> 00:10:15,080 and continue a conversation with Jeffrey B. Burton, talk a 189 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:17,159 little bit more about this lace book, The Boy in 190 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:19,759 the Wall, and then we'll talk to Jeffery a little 191 00:10:19,759 --> 00:10:22,039 bit about writing in general. We talked a little bit 192 00:10:22,039 --> 00:10:24,360 about how we get to these books, but I want 193 00:10:24,399 --> 00:10:27,000 to talk about the whole meat, potatoes behind it all, 194 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:30,039 or the cookies, shall we say? So everybody hang tight. 195 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:32,519 We're listening to Animal Rights on. 196 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:33,399 Speaker 2: Pet Life Radio. 197 00:10:39,519 --> 00:10:42,799 Speaker 1: Hi. This is Tim Blink, animal communicator and pet expert 198 00:10:42,879 --> 00:10:45,919 and host of Animal Rights on pet Life Radio. 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You'll be glad you did. 214 00:11:31,639 --> 00:11:34,720 Speaker 3: Let's talk past, Let's done, Pet Talk About Life Radio, 215 00:11:34,759 --> 00:11:35,799 HETLFE Radio. 216 00:11:36,039 --> 00:11:40,200 Speaker 4: Pet Life Radio dot Com. 217 00:11:40,600 --> 00:11:45,440 Speaker 1: Welcome back to Animal Rights on pet Life Radio. Continuer 218 00:11:45,519 --> 00:11:50,679 conversation with quickly acclaimed author mystery thriller author Jeffard D. 219 00:11:50,799 --> 00:11:53,159 Speaker 2: Burton in his lacebook The Boy in the Wall. 220 00:11:53,639 --> 00:11:56,559 Speaker 1: So, Jeffery, when we when you put together this series, 221 00:11:56,600 --> 00:11:59,679 are just writing in general. If you go into it 222 00:11:59,720 --> 00:12:03,840 with an idea of what the whole theme is going 223 00:12:03,879 --> 00:12:06,480 to be about, what you're looking for, do you pull 224 00:12:06,519 --> 00:12:10,360 things from the news perhaps, or is it since in 225 00:12:10,399 --> 00:12:12,639 this particular, this is the third in the series, is 226 00:12:12,679 --> 00:12:15,799 it a progression that you're writing about? How do you 227 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:18,159 come up with the next greatest thing? 228 00:12:18,679 --> 00:12:20,879 Speaker 5: You know? Tim When I started out, they have the 229 00:12:20,919 --> 00:12:24,879 thing with writers, whether you're a plotter, whether you outline everything, 230 00:12:24,919 --> 00:12:27,120 and some authors outline it to the you know, one 231 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:30,879 hundredth degree. And I started out that way, where I'd 232 00:12:30,879 --> 00:12:33,639 have a very loose outline, but as you go along, 233 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:37,440 something occurs to you that's better than anything on your outline. 234 00:12:37,759 --> 00:12:40,360 So I'd wind up having a manuscript. But then I'd 235 00:12:40,399 --> 00:12:43,120 have to keep updating the outline because if something occurred 236 00:12:43,159 --> 00:12:45,759 to you at chapter ten, well it's it's going to 237 00:12:45,799 --> 00:12:49,480 affect the progression of the rest of the novel. And 238 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:52,799 so for this series, at least the last couple of books, 239 00:12:52,919 --> 00:12:56,720 I've become the pants an author that goes by the 240 00:12:56,759 --> 00:13:00,960 seat of their pants and I'm lucky that Severn House, 241 00:13:01,039 --> 00:13:04,360 my publisher. They believe in me enough where I don't 242 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:07,080 have to give them some you know, Well, here's those 243 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:10,360 you know, one hundred chapters, and here's everything laid out 244 00:13:10,360 --> 00:13:12,879 ahead of time. You know, I thought, years ago, I 245 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:17,039 helped a friend remodel his bathroom, and you know, we 246 00:13:17,120 --> 00:13:19,159 ripped the wall apart and everything, and he had just 247 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:22,240 gotten married and he'd had a bachelor party. So he 248 00:13:22,279 --> 00:13:25,399 took all these bizarre gifts that people had given to 249 00:13:25,519 --> 00:13:28,480 him at his bachelor party, tossed him inside the wall, 250 00:13:28,559 --> 00:13:30,639 and then we put the wall up and he goes, 251 00:13:30,840 --> 00:13:33,360 he goes. You know, twenty twenty five years from now, 252 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:35,600 someone's going to be remodeling. They're going to go, what 253 00:13:35,639 --> 00:13:39,360 the what the hell is this? And so I had 254 00:13:39,399 --> 00:13:43,039 the idea, well, the dogs have found shallow graves, They 255 00:13:43,159 --> 00:13:46,879 found human remains here and there in you know, swampy water. 256 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:49,679 And I thought, well, wait a minute, what if if 257 00:13:49,799 --> 00:13:53,840 the murderer hid the body inside a wall, knowing that, 258 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:57,120 you know, in this case, the school was recently remodeled, 259 00:13:57,159 --> 00:13:59,879 and lord knows that means it'll be another forty years 260 00:13:59,879 --> 00:14:04,159 before they touch anything. And I thought, well, him being 261 00:14:04,679 --> 00:14:07,519 cajoled into having to give a presentation, and then the 262 00:14:07,639 --> 00:14:10,440 dog's tripping over it would be a great kind of 263 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:12,440 a hook. And then I did the seat of the 264 00:14:12,519 --> 00:14:16,559 pants thing, where I'll write a chapter and then I'll go, okay, 265 00:14:16,639 --> 00:14:19,159 where would this logically kind of go? Where should it 266 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:21,159 go next? And I'll put down a couple of notes 267 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:22,679 on where I think it should go, and then the 268 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:25,240 next day I'll pick up from there. And so I've 269 00:14:25,279 --> 00:14:29,039 really oh, I haven't really used an outline in two 270 00:14:29,120 --> 00:14:29,720 or three books. 271 00:14:29,759 --> 00:14:31,240 Speaker 2: Now that's nice. 272 00:14:31,320 --> 00:14:33,679 Speaker 1: Do you find it's just because you know the progression, 273 00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:36,720 you've written a number of books, so it's not needed 274 00:14:36,799 --> 00:14:39,279 per se. Or is it just sort of a shift 275 00:14:39,279 --> 00:14:40,480 in how you go about writing? 276 00:14:40,879 --> 00:14:42,799 Speaker 5: You know, there's been such a big debate in the 277 00:14:42,799 --> 00:14:46,639 writing community on the outline versus the seat of your pants. 278 00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:49,879 And I've given the outline a chance. It's not like 279 00:14:49,919 --> 00:14:54,000 it really is saving me time because my outlines were 280 00:14:54,039 --> 00:14:56,440 so they were just you know, bullet points and then 281 00:14:56,519 --> 00:14:58,679 just a phrase of what I think a chapter should 282 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:02,320 be about. But you know, maybe it saved me eight hours, 283 00:15:03,240 --> 00:15:05,159 you know, with the course of a book, which is 284 00:15:05,519 --> 00:15:09,440 which is really nothing. And some people that argue for it. 285 00:15:09,519 --> 00:15:11,919 They say, you know, if you online everything, and when 286 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:14,360 you talk to some of the authors that you probably have, 287 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:18,039 they get into such detail. I've heard some authors talk 288 00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:21,679 about how before I even begin chapter one, I have 289 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:25,120 every twist and turn all set up, and some of 290 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:27,360 them have even done the research. And I'm like, well, 291 00:15:27,639 --> 00:15:29,960 you know, i'd have to think that as you're going along, 292 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:33,279 I'll think of the character and I'll be like, okay, well, 293 00:15:33,279 --> 00:15:35,799 what kind of a car would this particular person drive? 294 00:15:35,879 --> 00:15:38,519 And then two hours later, I'm coming back to work 295 00:15:38,559 --> 00:15:42,120 after having search dealerships and what kind of used cars, 296 00:15:42,159 --> 00:15:44,759 and I'll get lost in some of the research there. 297 00:15:44,840 --> 00:15:49,200 But I think that if you have the concept for 298 00:15:49,279 --> 00:15:51,519 a book and you kind of dive into it knowing 299 00:15:51,559 --> 00:15:53,799 where the first few chapters will go, and then as 300 00:15:53,840 --> 00:15:55,840 you go along you go, of course, the next thing 301 00:15:55,840 --> 00:15:59,440 would be this, and I think I'm a panser, now 302 00:15:59,639 --> 00:16:04,039 a panther. I've migrated to the dark side. 303 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:05,440 Speaker 2: I guess that's a good one. 304 00:16:05,559 --> 00:16:07,759 Speaker 1: Well, I could never write where I had to figure 305 00:16:07,759 --> 00:16:11,039 out what car the main character would be driving, because 306 00:16:11,159 --> 00:16:13,200 that would be it. I'd be buying cars, I would 307 00:16:13,200 --> 00:16:16,279 be spending all time on the car Guru or whatever 308 00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:18,720 site's out there, figuring out how I can maybe if 309 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:21,080 the book did really well, I could get the Lais Jaguar. 310 00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:23,840 Speaker 5: You know, yeah, you know that would be nice, you know, 311 00:16:23,879 --> 00:16:27,600 And I'm insane, Like it takes place in Chicago. I 312 00:16:27,639 --> 00:16:30,759 live in the Twin Cities, Minneapolis, Saint Paul. But I 313 00:16:30,799 --> 00:16:32,720 do a ton of research, and if they're meeting at 314 00:16:32,759 --> 00:16:36,360 a restaurant, I find myself looking at the menu and 315 00:16:36,399 --> 00:16:38,600 then I'm like, you know, I'm not I never Corey 316 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:43,080 had the number four over easy with Rye Toast. I 317 00:16:43,159 --> 00:16:45,840 never really do that much, but I wind up doing 318 00:16:45,919 --> 00:16:48,200 enough for the research, and then you know, you trip 319 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:50,919 over some kind of maybe there's a medical concept that 320 00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:52,840 you don't want to bore the heck out of anyone, 321 00:16:52,879 --> 00:16:55,960 but you want to at least have a paragraph where 322 00:16:56,759 --> 00:16:59,639 you sound like you're in the you know, you're kind 323 00:16:59,639 --> 00:17:05,119 of knowledgeable about it. And then I do have Milo 324 00:17:06,079 --> 00:17:09,279 Milo the Beagle periodically. He'll want to just kind of 325 00:17:09,319 --> 00:17:12,880 sleep on my lap when I'm writing, and whenever you 326 00:17:12,960 --> 00:17:15,640 start snoring, I go, oh, I better have some action here, 327 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:17,200 you think. 328 00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:19,119 Speaker 1: Keeps you on track. 329 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:21,799 Speaker 2: I like it. I like it. He's your make sure 330 00:17:21,839 --> 00:17:23,599 you're getting it right. That's what he's there for. 331 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:25,599 Speaker 5: Make sure the pace moves along. 332 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:27,960 Speaker 2: That's it. I love it. 333 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:30,039 Speaker 1: From an outliner to a panther, I'm more of a 334 00:17:30,440 --> 00:17:34,680 old crap. It's the deadline writers what I am. 335 00:17:35,279 --> 00:17:38,200 Speaker 5: You know. I hear about writer's block, but I think 336 00:17:38,240 --> 00:17:41,759 I have something that's more fear of missing a deadline block. 337 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:46,920 Speaker 1: You know, minus can't keep track of a calendar and realize, 338 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:48,839 oh my god, I got to get it in this week. 339 00:17:49,559 --> 00:17:49,720 Speaker 4: Yeah. 340 00:17:49,880 --> 00:17:53,079 Speaker 5: I mean, I'll just you know, probably eighty percent of 341 00:17:53,079 --> 00:17:55,440 the time I'm in a great mood to work on 342 00:17:55,480 --> 00:17:57,480 a book, but twenty percent of the time I'm not 343 00:17:57,519 --> 00:17:59,400 really in the mood. So I just kind of sludge 344 00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:02,319 through it with not the greatest of writings. But I'm 345 00:18:02,359 --> 00:18:05,480 moving the ball, you know, four or five pages forward, 346 00:18:05,720 --> 00:18:07,599 and then I'll come back and when there's something on 347 00:18:07,640 --> 00:18:10,279 the page, I can make it better, you know, I suppose, 348 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:13,880 like farming clay or something. I can make it better 349 00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:16,759 once I get it down on paper. But some days 350 00:18:16,839 --> 00:18:18,480 the sludge is just a bit much. 351 00:18:18,839 --> 00:18:19,799 Speaker 2: That's it. That's it. 352 00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:22,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I love the fact you bring up research 353 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:24,440 and I've talked about this quite a few times with 354 00:18:24,799 --> 00:18:26,240 different authors on the show. 355 00:18:26,319 --> 00:18:27,480 Speaker 2: Is the fact that you. 356 00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:30,640 Speaker 1: Know, no matter what you're writing, whether we're talking fiction 357 00:18:30,759 --> 00:18:34,200 non fiction, whether we're talking to you know, children's story, 358 00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:37,160 youth story, whatever may be, you've got to do your 359 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:40,359 research because if you get it wrong just by the slide. 360 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:42,759 I mean, if you start talking about thin sliced pizza 361 00:18:43,079 --> 00:18:45,200 in a Chicago based book, they're going to throw it 362 00:18:45,240 --> 00:18:47,359 out the window already. So you've got to have some 363 00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:49,920 deep dish in there. But more importantly, you've got to 364 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:53,240 know if you're bringing up a particular building or a 365 00:18:53,279 --> 00:18:56,160 particular school location, or whatever it may be, you better 366 00:18:56,279 --> 00:18:59,480 do your research because the reader will expect it because 367 00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:01,400 next thing you know, they're from that area where they 368 00:19:01,400 --> 00:19:03,640 know it very well, and they'll call you out on it. 369 00:19:03,839 --> 00:19:08,240 Speaker 5: Oh absolutely. I mean it's amazing how I'll get notes 370 00:19:08,279 --> 00:19:10,400 on my website from people that I've read it. And 371 00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:12,960 I messed up in a book where I gave a 372 00:19:13,079 --> 00:19:16,880 rich person forty acres in a certain really nice suburb 373 00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:20,960 of Chicago, and I got an email that said, dear 374 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:25,319 mister Burton, I really enjoyed your book. However, nobody has 375 00:19:25,400 --> 00:19:29,000 forty acres in that particular suburb, you know, and then 376 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:32,440 send me some material on how I think the guy 377 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:35,359 that had the most acreage was twelve acres. Yeah, I 378 00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:37,279 just sit reply and I'm like, you got me. 379 00:19:39,119 --> 00:19:40,839 Speaker 2: I love it. I love it well. 380 00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:43,759 Speaker 1: And things changed too, you know, if you're the area 381 00:19:43,759 --> 00:19:45,720 I live, it's one of the fastest growing areas in 382 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:48,480 the nation apparently. And you can tell it. You know, 383 00:19:48,599 --> 00:19:51,400 things that were there last week are now, you know, 384 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:54,880 being changed. There's a building going up or a housing 385 00:19:54,920 --> 00:19:57,039 complex or whatever it may be. So maybe the guy 386 00:19:57,039 --> 00:19:59,400 who owned the forty acres all of a sudden sold 387 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:02,279 off the forty acres, but that reader probably would call 388 00:20:02,359 --> 00:20:05,519 you out on that too. Oh yeah, I know, mister 389 00:20:05,599 --> 00:20:09,240 so and so, and he never sold that property, you know. 390 00:20:09,279 --> 00:20:11,640 Speaker 5: And I had in in the dead years, I had 391 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:14,920 a bar that was just kind of a dive bar, 392 00:20:15,599 --> 00:20:17,440 and I did a lot of research and I found 393 00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:19,720 the perfect place that was kind of near the precinct, 394 00:20:20,119 --> 00:20:23,240 and you know, so I used it and ear or 395 00:20:23,279 --> 00:20:27,160 two goes by and I get a really nice email saying, hey, 396 00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:30,960 have you been to this place? Because I'm a regular there. 397 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:34,119 I mean it was like norm from Cheers. I'm a 398 00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:37,240 regular and so I wrote him back and I said no, 399 00:20:37,319 --> 00:20:39,200 but I went to the site and it's in the 400 00:20:39,519 --> 00:20:42,079 it's in the neighborhood. And I mean, you've got darts, 401 00:20:42,119 --> 00:20:45,640 you've got pool. It's everything. It's perfect, it's everything. And 402 00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:48,160 then the person that owned the bar sent me a 403 00:20:48,279 --> 00:20:51,079 very very nice email. I sent him a signed book 404 00:20:51,119 --> 00:20:54,799 and if I wind up in Chicago, bears on them. 405 00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:58,519 Speaker 1: That's it, man, it's more excuses to get Chicago. Can't 406 00:20:58,519 --> 00:20:59,359 complain about that. 407 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:01,400 Speaker 5: Search is paying out for me. 408 00:21:01,799 --> 00:21:03,319 Speaker 2: That's it. That's the next thing. 409 00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:05,200 Speaker 1: I think you need to do some research, like in 410 00:21:05,279 --> 00:21:11,480 southern France and you know, some Bordeaux and right, and 411 00:21:11,559 --> 00:21:16,119 take the Bloodhound with you and putting together this book, 412 00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:18,119 The Boy in the Wall, as well as the rest 413 00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:20,839 of the series and everything you're doing with mystery and thrillers. 414 00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:22,880 Is there a goal that you're looking for when you 415 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:25,200 set this out? Is there and somebody picks it up, 416 00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:28,440 reads through it, thoroughly, enjoys it. Is there something you're 417 00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:31,079 hoping that get from it other than just pure pleasure, 418 00:21:31,279 --> 00:21:34,119 any messages, any thing you're wanting to do, or you 419 00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:36,720 just want them to have a little bit of fun 420 00:21:36,759 --> 00:21:37,359 with the mystery. 421 00:21:37,839 --> 00:21:40,119 Speaker 5: You know, I think I probably want them to have 422 00:21:40,119 --> 00:21:42,400 a little bit of fun with the mystery. And I 423 00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:46,160 think I have a lot of just dog loving followers 424 00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:49,200 like myself, So I'm you know, I'm enjoying my wife 425 00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:51,920 and I have managed to kind of always have one 426 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:55,119 or two running around the household for the last twenty 427 00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:59,559 five years. And I'm not a dog trainer or a handler. 428 00:21:59,559 --> 00:22:02,200 I don't have the patients. You know, if you came over, 429 00:22:02,279 --> 00:22:04,720 Milo would be jumping up and down on you, you know, 430 00:22:04,839 --> 00:22:07,119 driving you crazy. And I've had people come to me 431 00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:09,960 and they say, Jeff, you write these dog training books. 432 00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:12,680 Can I bring my dog over and drop them off 433 00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:14,240 for a week or so? And I'm like, you know, 434 00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:17,720 he's just gonna he's gonna be five pounds heavier, and 435 00:22:17,799 --> 00:22:20,160 he's gonna he's gonna like go for football. 436 00:22:21,319 --> 00:22:24,079 Speaker 1: That's right, right, if you're wanting to misbehave even more 437 00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:26,480 and me five pounds heavier, I love it that I'm 438 00:22:26,519 --> 00:22:26,920 your man. 439 00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:30,200 Speaker 5: Oh yeah, I think I'm writing for folks to just 440 00:22:30,599 --> 00:22:32,880 enjoy and and you know, maybe if they're lying on 441 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:35,319 the beach during the summer, to have something that'll keep 442 00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:37,640 them flipping pages. And then also just you know, maybe 443 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:40,119 a love of our Arcane nine friends. 444 00:22:40,599 --> 00:22:42,079 Speaker 2: That's it. I love it. 445 00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:44,960 Speaker 1: I love it for sure. Well, everybody pick up a 446 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:46,880 copy of Jeffrey. Where can people find out more about 447 00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:48,559 the book The Boy in the Wall And where you're 448 00:22:48,599 --> 00:22:50,839 gonna be and what you're doing, what's what's up next? 449 00:22:51,519 --> 00:22:57,839 Speaker 5: Yes, my my website Jeffreebeeburton dot com Jeffreybeburton dot com. 450 00:22:57,839 --> 00:23:00,599 And I've got an event's kind of an event calendar 451 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:06,880 where I'm going from Duluth and Minneapolis and Green Bay. Nice. 452 00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:10,039 Speaker 1: Nice, and then you need to work your way over 453 00:23:10,079 --> 00:23:11,400 to Chicago for free beer. 454 00:23:11,559 --> 00:23:15,240 Speaker 2: That's what I'm thinking. Yeah, on it. Get your agent involved, 455 00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:16,359 get the editor. 456 00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:20,359 Speaker 5: You know, they said that they had the book. I'm 457 00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:22,200 not sure if they have the part open to their 458 00:23:22,319 --> 00:23:25,359 their thing behind glass, but yeah, I've got to stop 459 00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:25,839 by there. 460 00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:27,720 Speaker 2: That's it sounds like a good place to me. 461 00:23:28,279 --> 00:23:30,680 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Well, everybody pick up a copy of the book. 462 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:33,079 And it's The Boy in the Wall. It's part of 463 00:23:33,079 --> 00:23:36,599 the Chicago Canine Thriller series. You're going to definitely love it. 464 00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:37,160 Speaker 2: Jeffrey B. 465 00:23:37,279 --> 00:23:39,839 Speaker 1: Burton, jeff thanks for coming back on the show always great. 466 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:42,839 Great job with the book. As usual and we'll look 467 00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:45,160 forward to chatting with you again some We're very soon 468 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:45,759 down the road. 469 00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:46,920 Speaker 5: Thanks Tim. 470 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:47,920 Speaker 2: All right, well we're. 471 00:23:47,759 --> 00:23:49,440 Speaker 1: Coming to end the show today. I want to thank 472 00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:51,599 everyone for listening to Animal Rights on. 473 00:23:51,759 --> 00:23:52,559 Speaker 2: Pet Life Radio. 474 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:55,119 Speaker 1: I want to thank the producers and sponsors for making 475 00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:58,400 this show possible. 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