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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the Best Ever You Show with Elizabeth Hamilton Garino.

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<v Speaker 1>Here to help you find success in all areas of

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<v Speaker 1>your life. The power is in your hands. Join our

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<v Speaker 1>network for free at bestevere dot com and now here's Elizabeth.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, everybody, welcome to the Best Ever You Show. We

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<v Speaker 2>have been notified that blog Talk Radio is closing at

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<v Speaker 2>the end of January, so we have switched over to

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<v Speaker 2>iHeartRadio Speaker and also Riverside FM, so this will be

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<v Speaker 2>one of the last shows we do over here live

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<v Speaker 2>on blog Talk Radio. We are sure going to miss

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<v Speaker 2>being over here for fourteen years now and it has

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<v Speaker 2>been wonderful. But today I have a very special guest

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<v Speaker 2>with me. I have Sean Prue with me. Sean, I

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<v Speaker 2>think I hear you there.

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<v Speaker 3>Hello, Hello, you hear my breathing. Hi, hell you, I

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<v Speaker 3>hear you.

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<v Speaker 2>I'd love to see your beautiful face. But you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know about you, but my hair is a mess.

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<v Speaker 2>So well we're going to sing.

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<v Speaker 4>I thought this is audio only, and then at the

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<v Speaker 4>last minute you sort of said video and I was like, no,

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<v Speaker 4>I've been wearing my winter coat all day along with

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<v Speaker 4>my foot up. My hair is like twenty different directions

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<v Speaker 4>right now, I can't do video.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I hear you, Yeah, same thing. My hair's on

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<v Speaker 2>top of my head, my glasses are on and I'm good.

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<v Speaker 2>So but you know you, you're so modest with your bio.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to just I'm going to read everybody this

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<v Speaker 2>for a second. It's so you are so talented, So

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<v Speaker 2>I multi talented in the media and entertainment industry, so loved.

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<v Speaker 2>You're a TV personality, a host, a producer, a talk

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<v Speaker 2>show host for a really long time up there on

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<v Speaker 2>Sirius XM and Canada, motivational speaker. You write columns, you

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<v Speaker 2>pet books, also acting, publishing, live event hosts. But anything

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<v Speaker 2>that you can do, you Oh, it's so neat and

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<v Speaker 2>I and one of my favorite things too is here's

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<v Speaker 2>the big one activist for issues of mental health, animal rights,

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<v Speaker 2>and h stigma. I think that's just where I want

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<v Speaker 2>to go right off the bat with you. Tell me,

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<v Speaker 2>tell me what's uh, what's happening in your world these days?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, you know, if you want to talk to animal rights,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm a big proponent of of of treating animals as

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<v Speaker 4>well as we treat ourselves. Really on my lap, right

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<v Speaker 4>now I have a beautiful Cocker Spaniel mixed with I

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<v Speaker 4>think hound dog. He's four and he's a rescue from Turkey.

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<v Speaker 4>He was living on the streets of his den Bull

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<v Speaker 4>for two years.

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<v Speaker 3>As a puppy.

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<v Speaker 4>And I don't know if you know about the situation there,

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<v Speaker 4>but they slaughter dogs there. They round them all up.

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<v Speaker 4>You can see horrible videos of the backs of trucks

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<v Speaker 4>with these garbage bags full of dogs wriggling and trying

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<v Speaker 4>to get out of these bags, and they slaughter them.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a very sad situation over there. So I was lucky.

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<v Speaker 4>I got him just in the nick of time because

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<v Speaker 4>Canada stopped allowing dogs from other countries except for the

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<v Speaker 4>US of Mexico, almost like two days after I got him.

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<v Speaker 4>So I always remind him what a lucky guy he is.

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<v Speaker 3>Turkey. What's his name and layout?

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't know you named it.

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<v Speaker 3>I shouldn't be unlucky, but he.

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<v Speaker 2>Lucky. I wish I was doing videos.

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<v Speaker 4>And I think I think mental health has has got

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<v Speaker 4>a nice spotlight shawn on it right now. We've got

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<v Speaker 4>an initiative up here that certainly has has made it

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<v Speaker 4>normal to talk about mental health issues. I've always been

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<v Speaker 4>open about the fact that I've sought mental health assistant

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<v Speaker 4>since my twenties when I just wasn't feeling myself and

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<v Speaker 4>I couldn't figure out why. So I don't go all

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<v Speaker 4>the time. But over the years, I've certainly gleaned a

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<v Speaker 4>lot of insight and knowledge about myself and tools.

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<v Speaker 3>And I don't think anyone should be ashamed of saying,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, we'll go to the doctor for a cold.

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<v Speaker 4>You know what I mean, We're a bit of a

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<v Speaker 4>flu bug or something, and we'll race off to the

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<v Speaker 4>doctor for some help. But we're feeling anxious, we're feeling depressed.

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<v Speaker 4>We don't know why we don't feel the way we

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<v Speaker 4>like to feel, and we don't do anything about it.

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<v Speaker 4>And so it's good to speak ood about that.

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<v Speaker 2>I think, yeah, and rights and things like that. I

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<v Speaker 2>know we're going to talk about a lot of different things,

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<v Speaker 2>but tell me what you mean about HIV stigma as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Go there if you would please.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, that's the last frontier, or the new frontier that

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<v Speaker 4>we face in the HIV AIDS movement now is stigma.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, we're blessed now to have medication you can

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<v Speaker 4>take called prep that stops you, and I think about

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<v Speaker 4>ninety six point nine percent of all cases of acquiring

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<v Speaker 4>the HIV virus, and so we have that, we have

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<v Speaker 4>for those who are HIV positive to keep them what's

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<v Speaker 4>known as undetectable, which means that you cannot transmit the

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<v Speaker 4>virus to anybody.

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<v Speaker 3>We live in a blessed, blessed, blessed, blessed.

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<v Speaker 4>World, but people who acquire HIV still these days they're

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<v Speaker 4>ashamed of it, and they're they're marginalized for it, they're

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<v Speaker 4>othered for it. They do that to themselves, and the

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<v Speaker 4>society around us does it to them as well. We

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<v Speaker 4>that far away from the Reagan era when he wouldn't

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<v Speaker 4>even use the word.

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<v Speaker 3>AIDS for eight years after.

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<v Speaker 4>It beginning to become an epidemic. We still have this

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<v Speaker 4>kind of really bad association about HIV. And I think

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<v Speaker 4>it's because it's acquired through sex, and it's acquired through

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<v Speaker 4>intravenous needle use, and.

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<v Speaker 3>So sex and drugs, so those are so taboots still

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<v Speaker 3>in our world.

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<v Speaker 4>And when we think about people who are HIV positive,

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<v Speaker 4>we talk about them being dirty. We do that with

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<v Speaker 4>a lot of medical conditions. You know, your doctor comes

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<v Speaker 4>back and said the test you're clean, Well, you weren't

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<v Speaker 4>dirty if the tests.

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<v Speaker 3>Weren't clean, right y stigmatized. But you know, you use.

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<v Speaker 4>People alcoholics or drug users will say, oh, I haven't

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<v Speaker 4>been using for a while, I'm clean. Well, you weren't

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<v Speaker 4>dirty when you were using. You had an addiction disease.

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<v Speaker 4>And so we have all of the stigma around HIV

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<v Speaker 4>and it's still alive and well. And so I believe

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<v Speaker 4>in talking about it as someone who is HIV positive,

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<v Speaker 4>undetectable and not ashamed of that, and I think others

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<v Speaker 4>should as well. And so I'm big on helping and

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<v Speaker 4>the stigmatization of a disease that we only get from

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<v Speaker 4>being human. Sextis is a human thing.

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<v Speaker 3>Don't you think it's.

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<v Speaker 2>Important to share your stories like you're just doing, to

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<v Speaker 2>be vulnerable about it because it helps. It's like somebody's

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<v Speaker 2>listening right now and they don't feel good. They might

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<v Speaker 2>have just heard your voice and you might have saved

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<v Speaker 2>their life.

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<v Speaker 4>I always say that on my show too with I

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<v Speaker 4>guess they also things that I just know somebody is

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<v Speaker 4>listening and that they've they've been changed from it, whether

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<v Speaker 4>that's not feeling so alone anymore, or whether it's been

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<v Speaker 4>giving information or inspiration.

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<v Speaker 3>So I know exactly what you mean there. I hope

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<v Speaker 3>that's the.

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<v Speaker 2>Case right now, and I hope so too. Tell me

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<v Speaker 2>about you as a kindergartener. Oh yeah, all the way back.

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<v Speaker 2>Take me back to like you know, baby.

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<v Speaker 4>Sean, I was the little boy who would go out

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<v Speaker 4>and play with all the other kids, and the mothers

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<v Speaker 4>would come up to my mother really annoyed at the

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<v Speaker 4>end of the play date because they would be like,

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<v Speaker 4>Sean Prue played the exact same games as all the

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<v Speaker 4>other kids, playing in the dirt, playing in the grass,

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<v Speaker 4>playing rolling around, doing all the things. And his outfit

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<v Speaker 4>is completely clean and perfect, ripped up, soiled, destroyed, and

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<v Speaker 4>here comes show and is the love it? And you

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<v Speaker 4>wouldn't know play the same games. And my mother used

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<v Speaker 4>to laugh. And I think that's still me today. I

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<v Speaker 4>don't like to get dirty, but I'll still play the

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<v Speaker 4>same games as everyone else.

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<v Speaker 2>Were you did you know that you had had young

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<v Speaker 2>talent for TV, radio, acting all that stuff too.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, My mom chucked me into bed one night and

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<v Speaker 4>she said, what do you want to be when you

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<v Speaker 4>grew up, and I said, an actress. Boys are actors,

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<v Speaker 4>they're not actresses. And I was like, whatever, that's what

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<v Speaker 4>I want to hear. I knew from a young age

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<v Speaker 4>that I was a creative kid and was leaned heavily

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<v Speaker 4>into my creativity.

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<v Speaker 3>And I think for queer people that.

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<v Speaker 4>We lean into that side of ourselves a little bit

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<v Speaker 4>more readily, because there's an element of escapism as well

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<v Speaker 4>that comes into the lives of young queer people who

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<v Speaker 4>don't feel like they fit in, who feel very different.

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<v Speaker 4>No they're different somehow, don't know why there's they feel

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<v Speaker 4>that way, And so I think escapism for creativity is

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<v Speaker 4>something that's not unique to me. I think a lot

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<v Speaker 4>of little gay boys and queer girls do the same

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<v Speaker 4>thing always, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>I think all of us, no matter who we are,

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<v Speaker 2>we just want to be included. Like that's one of

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<v Speaker 2>the things that I love about you, Like from I've

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<v Speaker 2>known you since I think I started best ever you

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<v Speaker 2>and you were like you go girl, you know. And

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a mom of four sons. They're twenty three, twenty five,

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<v Speaker 2>twenty seven, and twenty nine now, and I've known you

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<v Speaker 2>for a really long time, and I remember thinking, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>we're different, and yet we're not. And I remember thinking

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<v Speaker 2>that for a really long time ago, with you just going.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, you accepted me, and I always love you

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<v Speaker 2>for that.

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<v Speaker 4>Of course, why wouldn't I doing great things? You continue

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<v Speaker 4>to do great things. Of Course I accepted you.

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<v Speaker 3>I was.

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<v Speaker 4>I was inspired by you and me you and in

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<v Speaker 4>awe of you and what you've done.

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<v Speaker 3>And I still am.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, me, you too. I've seen us climb and it's

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<v Speaker 2>so much fun. It's it's really cool.

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<v Speaker 3>So welcome to the lot, everybody.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, isn't it fun? This is the way it

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<v Speaker 2>should be. Actually, there's so much hate out there. It's like,

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<v Speaker 2>oh man, enough of the hate already, you know, and

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<v Speaker 2>I get. I know you and I had discussions like

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<v Speaker 2>you were supposed to be on like I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>how long ago, during the you know, like the day

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<v Speaker 2>after the election or something. You are both like I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know, and neither do I, and we were both like.

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<v Speaker 3>Do this the day after the election. I couldn't.

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<v Speaker 2>I couldn't either. We both looked at each other and

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<v Speaker 4>Was in shock and such disappointments. I couldn't believe the

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<v Speaker 4>way the election turned out, and to a degree I

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<v Speaker 4>still can't, and I'm even though I live in Canada,

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<v Speaker 4>in Toronto. I watch US politics very closely. I watch

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<v Speaker 4>an MSNBC a couple hours every night almost and to

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<v Speaker 4>stay informed. Because of the things that trickle that happened

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<v Speaker 4>down in the States, they trickle up here. We've got

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<v Speaker 4>So I watch US politics a lot, not just out

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<v Speaker 2>You know, what do we do when you know entire

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<v Speaker 3>Well, if you're talking about a group of people such

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<v Speaker 4>Community, we need allies more than we've ever needed allies.

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<v Speaker 4>And a lot of people think allyship is just showing

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<v Speaker 4>up at pride and joining in the dancing and the family,

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<v Speaker 4>the parade and all that sort of stuff. And that's important.

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<v Speaker 4>That's important too. But you've got to you've got to

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<v Speaker 4>speak up when you hear nonsense being said about any group,

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<v Speaker 4>whether it's black people, Latinos, queer people, whatever marginalized group

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<v Speaker 4>up and not allow that to be the conversations that's

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<v Speaker 4>being had, whether it's at the dinner table, is coming Christmas,

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<v Speaker 4>or whether it's just in general. When you hear someone

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<v Speaker 3>You can flicit.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, you're part of the problem and staying silent. So Allyship,

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<v Speaker 4>I think is needed more than ever there in the

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<v Speaker 4>to stand together as the communities. And we also need

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<v Speaker 4>both people who are this frankly, the straight white people

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<v Speaker 4>to stand up and speak up and speak out and

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<v Speaker 2>Gather people, yeah, you know, I want to tell you

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<v Speaker 2>this story and it's going to come out choppy and

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<v Speaker 2>it may not come out right, but just hear me

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<v Speaker 2>out for a second. So our sons both graduated from

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<v Speaker 2>Georgetown University with their master's degrees in twenty twenty four. Wow, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>really cool, really cool moment. And so the way we

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<v Speaker 2>do little celebrations is we take people out to a steakhouse.

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<v Speaker 2>So me and my husband and kids, and his sister

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<v Speaker 2>and Beyonce's friends, you know, everybody. We all gathered at

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<v Speaker 2>a steakhouse in DC and I made reservations at Annie's

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<v Speaker 2>Paramount Steakhouse. And so I looked at the reservation and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, huh, I wonder if we're going to be

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<v Speaker 2>welcome here. So I placed a phone call and I said,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, this is a predominantly you know not I

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<v Speaker 2>for their wording as we're talking. But not a place

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<v Speaker 2>where like we would go all the time for a steakhouse.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it's it's gay couples and get you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's it's flags everywhere and things like that. And I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>are we going to be welcome there? You know what?

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<v Speaker 2>You know what I mean, just like the reverse of it, right,

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<v Speaker 2>And so I called and I said, are we okay?

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<v Speaker 2>Can we come in? Because I really want to be

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<v Speaker 2>there all of my friends are you know okay? I

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<v Speaker 2>have drag queen friends, I have every kind of friend

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<v Speaker 2>known to mankind. Are we welcome there? There are twelve

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<v Speaker 2>of us coming in, and he said, bring it on.

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<v Speaker 2>You're going to have the best dinner of your life.

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<v Speaker 2>And I can't tell you the number of people that

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<v Speaker 2>came up to us. We could barely all eat because

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<v Speaker 2>everybody was hugging us and telling us how much they

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<v Speaker 2>loved we were there and telling us what a beautiful

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<v Speaker 2>it makes me cry, what a beautiful family we had,

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<v Speaker 2>and on and on and on. It was I can't

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<v Speaker 2>I might have goosebumps. I love them so much. There

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<v Speaker 2>they made us have the best memory ever. And it

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't intentional and we were kind of scared because we

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<v Speaker 2>didn't fit in at all. But I mean that, and

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<v Speaker 2>then we did.

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<v Speaker 3>They know what it's like to not fit in to you.

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<v Speaker 2>No, it was beautiful. It was I wish like CBS

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<v Speaker 2>Sunday Morning would have followed us in or something to

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<v Speaker 2>that's kind of cry Oh god, it was so I love.

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<v Speaker 3>Them this world. Yeah, moments like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, And we have a it makes me cry

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<v Speaker 2>and we have a no, And I want to just

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<v Speaker 2>touch people's hearts with this conversation about how hard it

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<v Speaker 2>is when you don't fit in, because it makes people

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<v Speaker 2>so I feel like.

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<v Speaker 3>Related feeling they're wrong? What did they do wrong?

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<v Speaker 4>I find me a queer person, especially someone in my

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<v Speaker 4>age when the times have changed so much now. But

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<v Speaker 4>I can't tell you how much bargaining I did with

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<v Speaker 4>God to make me straight when I was a young boy,

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<v Speaker 4>when I was a teenager, when I was becoming a man,

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<v Speaker 4>I wanted to be straight.

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<v Speaker 3>Because it was just so.

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<v Speaker 4>I was so tired of being othered by schoolmates and

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<v Speaker 4>fellow students and adults around me in my community. I

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<v Speaker 4>was so different than everybody, and that difference has been

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<v Speaker 4>a blessing in my life and has been me unique.

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<v Speaker 4>But at the time when retina support and stuff like that,

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<v Speaker 4>I know so many people who are in my age

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<v Speaker 4>bracket who say the same thing. I used to ask

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<v Speaker 4>God to make me straight and to not make me gay.

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<v Speaker 4>It was just a terrible way to be. But at

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<v Speaker 4>the same time, it's a blessing because I think the

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<v Speaker 4>people who have had the roughest starts in life, whatever

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<v Speaker 4>that may look like for you, they're the ones that

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<v Speaker 4>become the most extraordinary later.

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<v Speaker 3>On in life. That's not the brightest, you know, I

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<v Speaker 3>think you've had nothing that ever happened to them.

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<v Speaker 4>That are that are the dull, boring ones in life

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<v Speaker 4>because nothing is the worst thing that can happen to you.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I know. It's funny. I sometimes say, please,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want to have food allergies anymore. I've been

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<v Speaker 2>resuscitated twice. I just want to eat something. And that

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<v Speaker 2>was the other thing they took care of me too.

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<v Speaker 2>Because I always feel like a fish out of water

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<v Speaker 2>with the life threatening food allergies that I have. So

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<v Speaker 2>I called them. They're like, well, we are going to give

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<v Speaker 2>you the best dinner you've ever had. You're going to

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<v Speaker 2>live through it. And they oh, they were just so cool.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, no, is that just like that? They were

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<v Speaker 2>just the coolest people. So anyway, I love Annie's Steakhouse.

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<v Speaker 2>Annie's Paramount Steakhouse in DC is amazing. STA shout out everybody.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, I love them. So the other thing I

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<v Speaker 2>think too, is that you know, sometimes without conversations like this,

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<v Speaker 2>we don't understand each other at all.

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<v Speaker 4>And yep, well just you know, we're talking about allyship

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<v Speaker 4>and what can people do and that sort of thing.

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<v Speaker 4>To talk to each other as well and just have

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<v Speaker 4>a conversation doesn't have to be full of threats. It

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<v Speaker 4>doesn't have to start getting violence, you don't have to

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<v Speaker 4>start calling to the names. Just have a conversation, because

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<v Speaker 4>you know what it's like, even though you're a straight

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<v Speaker 4>person to feel different, and you just talked about having

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<v Speaker 4>life threatening allergies that stop you from enjoying your life

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<v Speaker 4>and stuff like that. That's a very unique situation. You

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<v Speaker 4>feel alone and different in that as well, so you

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<v Speaker 4>can relate to me feeling different. We're so much more connected.

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<v Speaker 4>It's such a cliche, but we are. We're so much

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<v Speaker 4>more alike than we are different. And if we just

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<v Speaker 4>take the time to get to know each other a

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<v Speaker 4>little bit more, know your neighbor a little bit more,

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<v Speaker 4>you see that you've got more in common than you

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<v Speaker 4>have the differences. And we've got the likes of Trump.

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<v Speaker 4>And as the guy's name up here is kier palie Eva,

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<v Speaker 4>trying to divide us all and make us all angry

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<v Speaker 4>with each other.

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<v Speaker 3>Don't fall for that trap.

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<v Speaker 4>It's it's classic authoritarianism once again, dividing the people up,

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<v Speaker 4>making them afraid of each other. Don't, don't. Don't fall

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<v Speaker 4>in line with that. Know your people, know your neighbors. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>even better, so I don't agree with you.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, yeah true.

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>So we were this is years ago now, We were

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<v Speaker 2>walking in the mall here in Maine and my husband's like,

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<v Speaker 2>a really quick haircut over at Mastercuts, and I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>this kid named Nick Irish was like I'll cut your hair.

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<v Speaker 2>I've got you, okay, mister Greeno, I've got you kind

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<v Speaker 2>of thing. You know. It was so cute. And now

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<v Speaker 2>over the years we've gotten to know Nick as family.

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<v Speaker 2>His name is Nick Irish and he is a drag

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<v Speaker 2>queen and he tells he's come over. He comes over

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<v Speaker 2>to our house to cut her hair. He does all

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<v Speaker 2>sorts of amazing things for us. During COVID, he came

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<v Speaker 2>over and cut her hair in the garage, no kind

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<v Speaker 2>of thing, so we could have haircuts. And he's such

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<v Speaker 2>a cool soul. But when he when he when he

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<v Speaker 2>like night and day, Like, oh my god, how do

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<v Speaker 2>you do that kind of thing? He has the best

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<v Speaker 2>blonde hair. He knows my blonde hair so well, oh

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<v Speaker 2>my god. Yeah, so if you get it wrong, you've

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<v Speaker 2>got the wrong color.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm fifty five now, so I've got gray coming

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<v Speaker 2>in all the stuff to deal with. So anyway, he

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<v Speaker 2>is the most lovely human being. So when I when

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<v Speaker 2>he's here, when I have conversations with him or I

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<v Speaker 2>talked to him about things, you know, I always want

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<v Speaker 2>to know, like what what's happened, what's happening to you,

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<v Speaker 2>what's going on in your life, what's happened to you?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, because sometimes you'll be like sad and things

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<v Speaker 2>like that, and he will tell me, like some of

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<v Speaker 2>the meanest crap that has happened to him over his life,

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<v Speaker 2>and he's the nicest human being on the planet. Why

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<v Speaker 2>do I want to go there? Because I know we

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<v Speaker 2>were talking about your sub stack and things like that,

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<v Speaker 2>and you said, I'm going to just go why the

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<v Speaker 2>drag hate? Why the drag hate? But I just want

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<v Speaker 3>So he's got so everybody listening.

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<v Speaker 2>Sean pro Crue got subs substack dot com. I'm going

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<v Speaker 2>to spy your last name it's p r o U

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<v Speaker 2>l X and I'll put a link up and you

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<v Speaker 2>but you've got topics here and like that one. That

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<v Speaker 2>you know, a bestie who's a drag queen and it

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<v Speaker 2>hurts my feelings. And I also my dream you know,

423
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<v Speaker 2>my I love I love you, but you know, I

424
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<v Speaker 2>want to know who my absolute dream interview is. It's

425
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<v Speaker 2>never gonna happen. Do you want who it is?

426
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<v Speaker 3>It's I've interviewed Love I lovel too.

427
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<v Speaker 2>The best.

428
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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Yeah, I interviewed him once. Her at the back. Yeah.

429
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<v Speaker 4>I've interviewed her a couple of times, but the first

430
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<v Speaker 4>time was at the back of an airport shuttle because

431
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<v Speaker 4>she was going to a gig and her hair was

432
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<v Speaker 4>so big it wouldn't fit in a car. Yes, so

433
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<v Speaker 4>we rode the back of this shuttle together having a

434
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<v Speaker 4>chin wag for forty minutes going to her gig.

435
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<v Speaker 3>Her success. Yeah. Oh, so you want to talk about

436
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<v Speaker 3>why the drag queen hate kind of.

437
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because I don't understand it.

438
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<v Speaker 3>Well, I think it's about Missagua.

439
00:24:00.079 --> 00:24:02.200
<v Speaker 4>To me, I think a man in the heels and

440
00:24:02.279 --> 00:24:06.960
<v Speaker 4>address who's self determined pushes really uncomfortably hard against where

441
00:24:06.960 --> 00:24:10.319
<v Speaker 4>a lot of society is firmly rooted on the topic

442
00:24:10.359 --> 00:24:15.079
<v Speaker 4>of women and autonomy, because a woman, to a lot

443
00:24:15.119 --> 00:24:18.640
<v Speaker 4>of society is less than you know. Madonna's saying about

444
00:24:18.680 --> 00:24:20.680
<v Speaker 4>that in her two thousand and sung what it feels

445
00:24:20.680 --> 00:24:22.920
<v Speaker 4>Like for a girl. Girls can wear genes and cut

446
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<v Speaker 4>their hair, short wear shirts and boots because.

447
00:24:24.799 --> 00:24:25.759
<v Speaker 3>It's okay to be a boy.

448
00:24:26.039 --> 00:24:28.160
<v Speaker 4>But for a boy to look like a girl is degrading,

449
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<v Speaker 4>because you think being a girl is degrading. So what

450
00:24:31.960 --> 00:24:36.519
<v Speaker 4>kind of man sacrifices massculinity and trade down and find

451
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<v Speaker 4>personal liberty as a woman in the doing. You know,

452
00:24:41.119 --> 00:24:43.640
<v Speaker 4>we hate the idea of a powerful woman in our

453
00:24:43.680 --> 00:24:47.480
<v Speaker 4>patriarchal society, the one that knows their value, that they're

454
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<v Speaker 4>inconvenient to have around. Women who delight in who they are,

455
00:24:51.279 --> 00:24:54.200
<v Speaker 4>like drag queens do, who don't need to fix themselves.

456
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<v Speaker 4>There's a lot of effort to keep up with a

457
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<v Speaker 4>woman like that, which is why women are suppressed. They're

458
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<v Speaker 4>held back from thinking about reaching the fullest of who

459
00:25:01.519 --> 00:25:05.440
<v Speaker 4>they really are as early as childhood. Our society is

460
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<v Speaker 4>held bent on keeping women in their place insecure. We

461
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<v Speaker 4>teach them through the media or any shop they go

462
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<v Speaker 4>into selling all the beauty products so that she can

463
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<v Speaker 4>use to correct it and prove herself that she will

464
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<v Speaker 4>never be enough. Constantly women are being told theres something

465
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<v Speaker 4>wrong with them. We don't want to see autonomous women.

466
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<v Speaker 4>You know, look at it in your country, the male

467
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<v Speaker 4>led fight to rest away women from women control over

468
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<v Speaker 4>their own bodies. You know, it's dystopic and woman should

469
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<v Speaker 4>be whoever the f she wants to be, and we

470
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<v Speaker 4>oppress women and we don't like it when a man

471
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<v Speaker 4>actually chooses to look and act like one in drag.

472
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<v Speaker 3>That's my theory.

473
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<v Speaker 2>That's a good theory. It's an interesting theory. Yeah, I'm

474
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<v Speaker 2>gonna just leave that. I formulate thoughts sometimes on this topic,

475
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<v Speaker 2>but I do as a female, fifty five year old female,

476
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<v Speaker 2>I can't tell you how many times in the workplace.

477
00:26:01.359 --> 00:26:03.640
<v Speaker 2>I've had uncomfortable encounters with men.

478
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<v Speaker 3>Oh I'm sure, I'm sure.

479
00:26:06.079 --> 00:26:09.119
<v Speaker 2>I can't even I could. I could go on and

480
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<v Speaker 2>on and on. It's a different show. I mean, like,

481
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<v Speaker 2>right off the bat, I was a news anchor. Made

482
00:26:13.640 --> 00:26:16.200
<v Speaker 2>me never want to be a news anchor again. Some

483
00:26:16.279 --> 00:26:18.640
<v Speaker 2>guy hit as the general manager of a news station,

484
00:26:18.759 --> 00:26:20.440
<v Speaker 2>hitting on me, saying if I did this, I'd be

485
00:26:20.480 --> 00:26:22.480
<v Speaker 2>the weather girl in Ohio in a shot, you know.

486
00:26:22.519 --> 00:26:25.720
<v Speaker 2>And I'm like, oh no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

487
00:26:26.440 --> 00:26:30.079
<v Speaker 2>you know kind of thing. And it's interesting. That's an

488
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<v Speaker 2>interesting analogy, for sure, But you know how the.

489
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<v Speaker 4>Wherewithal to say now though, a lot of women don't

490
00:26:36.240 --> 00:26:37.319
<v Speaker 4>know how to say no to that.

491
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<v Speaker 2>Hell no, actually, oh hell no, hell no, hell no. Yeah,

492
00:26:44.240 --> 00:26:47.640
<v Speaker 2>and then and then really did a big rethink on

493
00:26:47.839 --> 00:26:50.680
<v Speaker 2>the news business. It made me go, oh, this is

494
00:26:50.680 --> 00:26:52.200
<v Speaker 2>the way this is going to be. And then you go,

495
00:26:52.680 --> 00:26:54.880
<v Speaker 2>as a twenty year old kid, you go, oh shit,

496
00:26:55.079 --> 00:26:57.599
<v Speaker 2>this is the way this all kind of is right now,

497
00:26:57.640 --> 00:27:00.440
<v Speaker 2>because remember I'm one hundred and it was like that.

498
00:27:00.559 --> 00:27:04.440
<v Speaker 2>It was bumpy all over the place, and oh yeah.

499
00:27:04.480 --> 00:27:07.920
<v Speaker 2>And then and then you'd come across those men gems

500
00:27:07.960 --> 00:27:11.400
<v Speaker 2>that weren't like that, and you were like, oh my god,

501
00:27:11.680 --> 00:27:13.160
<v Speaker 2>you're not going to hit on me. You're just gonna

502
00:27:13.240 --> 00:27:16.000
<v Speaker 2>let me work. Really, Oh this is beautiful. And I've

503
00:27:16.039 --> 00:27:19.680
<v Speaker 2>had a lot of those two and it's like, thank god, yeah,

504
00:27:19.720 --> 00:27:23.000
<v Speaker 2>but tell me then this could be. If this is

505
00:27:23.039 --> 00:27:25.480
<v Speaker 2>a really stupid question, I cannot edit this out. So

506
00:27:25.519 --> 00:27:29.440
<v Speaker 2>if this is stupid, just laugh at me, right, okay, okay,

507
00:27:29.519 --> 00:27:30.359
<v Speaker 2>what about like a.

508
00:27:30.319 --> 00:27:34.200
<v Speaker 3>Movie like Tutsie, what about it?

509
00:27:34.680 --> 00:27:37.079
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, what about it? Like that's kind of like

510
00:27:37.880 --> 00:27:40.160
<v Speaker 2>is that not kind of draggish in a way?

511
00:27:43.000 --> 00:27:48.680
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, one of the top. Everything's dragged. Everything's dragged.

512
00:27:49.359 --> 00:27:52.000
<v Speaker 4>It's just a decision on how you're presenting yourself at

513
00:27:52.000 --> 00:27:54.160
<v Speaker 4>any given moment in time. Like we're all born naked

514
00:27:54.160 --> 00:27:55.960
<v Speaker 4>and the rest is drag, is what she says. And

515
00:27:56.960 --> 00:28:01.000
<v Speaker 4>my my friend Leo was a he's retired now, but

516
00:28:01.079 --> 00:28:04.440
<v Speaker 4>he taught grade two for most of his teaching career,

517
00:28:05.000 --> 00:28:07.759
<v Speaker 4>and so he had his day drag he would call it,

518
00:28:08.240 --> 00:28:12.119
<v Speaker 4>and then his after work drag, but he always called

519
00:28:12.119 --> 00:28:15.400
<v Speaker 4>it drag. And his day drag was really just a

520
00:28:15.480 --> 00:28:18.799
<v Speaker 4>suit and tie for teaching, and then his drag drag

521
00:28:18.880 --> 00:28:20.359
<v Speaker 4>was jeans and the tea shirt, but he always called

522
00:28:20.359 --> 00:28:23.839
<v Speaker 4>a drag. And RuPaul calls it all drag. So what

523
00:28:24.160 --> 00:28:25.559
<v Speaker 4>interesting is a woman or was it?

524
00:28:25.640 --> 00:28:28.440
<v Speaker 3>However you're presenting yourself, that's your drag.

525
00:28:29.440 --> 00:28:31.960
<v Speaker 2>Got it? Okay, that's good learning, right there. I'll have

526
00:28:32.000 --> 00:28:34.680
<v Speaker 2>to look at that a little more. Yeah, yeah, all right,

527
00:28:36.480 --> 00:28:38.240
<v Speaker 2>What else? What else is on your sub steck that

528
00:28:38.279 --> 00:28:39.759
<v Speaker 2>you want to talk about? Because there's some really good

529
00:28:40.000 --> 00:28:41.200
<v Speaker 2>there's really good stuff here.

530
00:28:41.279 --> 00:28:44.119
<v Speaker 4>Well, I'm really happy with the way it's it's turning out.

531
00:28:44.160 --> 00:28:47.240
<v Speaker 4>I mean a lot of traffic to it. I'm trying

532
00:28:47.279 --> 00:28:51.599
<v Speaker 4>to find stories that people don't normally introduce people to,

533
00:28:51.680 --> 00:28:53.240
<v Speaker 4>people who you don't really.

534
00:28:52.960 --> 00:28:53.759
<v Speaker 3>Get a chance to meet.

535
00:28:53.839 --> 00:28:56.519
<v Speaker 4>So my latest post is called what to Do if

536
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<v Speaker 4>You're kidnapped and it takes you behind the scenes of

537
00:29:00.160 --> 00:29:03.720
<v Speaker 4>humanitarian aid worker named Kessa. That's not her real name,

538
00:29:04.480 --> 00:29:06.720
<v Speaker 4>but we use a pseudonym so she could talk more freely.

539
00:29:07.119 --> 00:29:12.519
<v Speaker 4>She's been to Gaza, Kiev, Somalia, Yemen. She's supposed to

540
00:29:12.559 --> 00:29:14.680
<v Speaker 4>go to Afghanistan, but that got canceled.

541
00:29:14.720 --> 00:29:16.880
<v Speaker 3>She's back in Gaza.

542
00:29:16.559 --> 00:29:21.160
<v Speaker 4>Right now and she sees a lot of incredible things

543
00:29:21.160 --> 00:29:24.599
<v Speaker 4>and one of the dangers it's always predominant in wherever

544
00:29:24.640 --> 00:29:28.599
<v Speaker 4>she goes, is the risk of being kidnapped. And so

545
00:29:28.640 --> 00:29:32.079
<v Speaker 4>she lays out what she knows about kidnappings, and it's

546
00:29:32.119 --> 00:29:35.079
<v Speaker 4>fascinating because there's three types of kidnappings.

547
00:29:35.119 --> 00:29:35.960
<v Speaker 3>There's the one.

548
00:29:35.759 --> 00:29:38.559
<v Speaker 4>That you get held for ransom for, there's the one

549
00:29:38.599 --> 00:29:41.640
<v Speaker 4>that you get held for as a political statement, and

550
00:29:41.680 --> 00:29:44.319
<v Speaker 4>there's the one that's where you're kind of a bargaining

551
00:29:44.359 --> 00:29:47.400
<v Speaker 4>ship get you'll be released at the hostage just the

552
00:29:47.559 --> 00:29:51.799
<v Speaker 4>other country really, since they're hostage type of thing. And

553
00:29:51.880 --> 00:29:54.480
<v Speaker 4>the whole object is to stay alive, of course, and

554
00:29:54.480 --> 00:29:56.720
<v Speaker 4>there's all kinds of ways in which you can try

555
00:29:56.759 --> 00:30:01.079
<v Speaker 4>and stay alive, unless you're a political statement, because the

556
00:30:01.279 --> 00:30:04.359
<v Speaker 4>chances are really high that you're going to be killed,

557
00:30:04.440 --> 00:30:07.319
<v Speaker 4>because that's the point of having kidnapped you to begin with,

558
00:30:07.359 --> 00:30:09.759
<v Speaker 4>so your chances are really low. But the other ones

559
00:30:10.119 --> 00:30:11.920
<v Speaker 4>have all these tips and tricks, and she just goes

560
00:30:11.960 --> 00:30:15.160
<v Speaker 4>into the details of those and it is just fascinating

561
00:30:15.160 --> 00:30:18.920
<v Speaker 4>to me. She's a fascinating woman, especially because she in

562
00:30:19.000 --> 00:30:22.319
<v Speaker 4>twenty twenty quit her career to start doing this, and

563
00:30:22.359 --> 00:30:25.400
<v Speaker 4>now she's sixty years old and going into places like

564
00:30:25.480 --> 00:30:30.440
<v Speaker 4>Gaza and helping out there, and I find that a fascinating.

565
00:30:29.880 --> 00:30:32.640
<v Speaker 3>It's never too late story as well. You know, we

566
00:30:32.680 --> 00:30:36.000
<v Speaker 3>get we age, all of us age. I'm fifty five.

567
00:30:36.200 --> 00:30:39.319
<v Speaker 4>Fifty six now, and I'm not sure I could contemplate

568
00:30:39.440 --> 00:30:42.759
<v Speaker 4>beginning a new career again. And yet there was a

569
00:30:42.799 --> 00:30:45.920
<v Speaker 4>guest on the View today that I overheard saying that

570
00:30:45.920 --> 00:30:49.000
<v Speaker 4>at fifty five her mother moved to Paris and began

571
00:30:49.119 --> 00:30:53.440
<v Speaker 4>her life a new way back when and shoes very

572
00:30:53.440 --> 00:30:56.440
<v Speaker 4>inspired by that. So I'm inspired by stories like that,

573
00:30:56.640 --> 00:31:00.559
<v Speaker 4>and like test a story and also a store on

574
00:31:00.640 --> 00:31:06.359
<v Speaker 4>there about my friend Aaron, who became homeless suddenly. I

575
00:31:06.440 --> 00:31:10.519
<v Speaker 4>watched his homelessness happen. He lost his roommate, he couldn't

576
00:31:10.559 --> 00:31:15.039
<v Speaker 4>find a new roommate. His landlord blessedly lewed him stay

577
00:31:15.039 --> 00:31:17.279
<v Speaker 4>there for almost nine months, paying only half of the

578
00:31:17.359 --> 00:31:22.240
<v Speaker 4>rent and then finally evicted him. And he's a gay guy,

579
00:31:22.319 --> 00:31:24.599
<v Speaker 4>and gay guys are resourceful, and he had nowhere to go.

580
00:31:24.799 --> 00:31:27.079
<v Speaker 4>He couched, heurved for a while, but that he's running

581
00:31:27.079 --> 00:31:30.680
<v Speaker 4>out of you know, couches after a time, so he

582
00:31:30.720 --> 00:31:33.960
<v Speaker 4>would get on apps like grinder and hook up with

583
00:31:34.079 --> 00:31:37.039
<v Speaker 4>guys to have a roof overt's head. But the problem

584
00:31:37.119 --> 00:31:38.960
<v Speaker 4>is is that if you're hooking up with guys, they

585
00:31:38.960 --> 00:31:41.799
<v Speaker 4>expect you to hook up. And he would be meeting

586
00:31:41.839 --> 00:31:43.440
<v Speaker 4>guys at like two or three in the morning, and

587
00:31:43.440 --> 00:31:45.200
<v Speaker 4>the problem with that is that if you're hooking up

588
00:31:45.200 --> 00:31:47.119
<v Speaker 4>with guys at two or three in the morning, they're

589
00:31:47.119 --> 00:31:51.039
<v Speaker 4>probably using substances to stay up that late. And so

590
00:31:51.240 --> 00:31:55.240
<v Speaker 4>Aaron would be up at guy's places using substances like

591
00:31:55.240 --> 00:31:58.559
<v Speaker 4>crystal math and to stay up and party. So he's

592
00:31:58.599 --> 00:32:01.759
<v Speaker 4>getting no sleep, who's eating nothing, And when you have

593
00:32:01.920 --> 00:32:05.680
<v Speaker 4>that combination, it's very dangerous. He started to become develop

594
00:32:05.960 --> 00:32:10.599
<v Speaker 4>auditory hallucinations and then visual hallucinations and start to almost

595
00:32:10.599 --> 00:32:13.359
<v Speaker 4>lose his mind. And so it's the story of what

596
00:32:13.559 --> 00:32:17.240
<v Speaker 4>happened to him all because he'd lost his roommate, and

597
00:32:17.319 --> 00:32:19.920
<v Speaker 4>we see so much homelessness here in Canada, and especially

598
00:32:19.960 --> 00:32:22.480
<v Speaker 4>in Toronto. I don't know what it's like where you are,

599
00:32:22.599 --> 00:32:24.480
<v Speaker 4>but I know that homelessness is a problem in the

600
00:32:24.559 --> 00:32:27.519
<v Speaker 4>US as well. We have encampments in all.

601
00:32:27.440 --> 00:32:31.880
<v Speaker 3>Of our parks, people lying on the streets. It's just

602
00:32:33.640 --> 00:32:37.079
<v Speaker 3>pardon me for a rich nation like we have, like

603
00:32:37.240 --> 00:32:39.680
<v Speaker 3>you are, it shouldn't be this way.

604
00:32:40.400 --> 00:32:42.759
<v Speaker 4>And he had no support. He couldn't go to shelters

605
00:32:42.799 --> 00:32:47.839
<v Speaker 4>because they're violence and dangerous there. It's just the story

606
00:32:47.880 --> 00:32:51.519
<v Speaker 4>of his spiral downward and me watching it. I tried

607
00:32:51.559 --> 00:32:53.880
<v Speaker 4>to help him as best I could. He stayed over

608
00:32:53.920 --> 00:32:56.480
<v Speaker 4>many times. I buy him food and stuff like that.

609
00:32:58.680 --> 00:33:01.759
<v Speaker 4>But it's a story that's kind of chilling because it

610
00:33:01.799 --> 00:33:05.720
<v Speaker 4>can happen to you, could happen to me. And I

611
00:33:05.759 --> 00:33:08.640
<v Speaker 4>talked about the types of homelessness there are. There's people

612
00:33:08.640 --> 00:33:11.839
<v Speaker 4>get divorced, there relationships end, they've got nowhere to go.

613
00:33:13.079 --> 00:33:17.240
<v Speaker 4>People leave abusive relationships, they've got nowhere to go. People

614
00:33:17.480 --> 00:33:20.759
<v Speaker 4>in the pandemic lost their livelihoods, they had nowhere to go.

615
00:33:21.240 --> 00:33:22.880
<v Speaker 4>And one of the reasons we've got so much of

616
00:33:22.880 --> 00:33:26.119
<v Speaker 4>a homeless situation here is because of the pandemic, and

617
00:33:26.200 --> 00:33:28.119
<v Speaker 4>that shouldn't be either. We should be taking care of

618
00:33:28.119 --> 00:33:29.319
<v Speaker 4>people a pandemic hit.

619
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<v Speaker 3>It's not their fault they lost their livelihood. So I'm

620
00:33:33.640 --> 00:33:36.000
<v Speaker 3>ready about subjects like that as well.

621
00:33:36.920 --> 00:33:40.079
<v Speaker 2>Don't forget that a lot of people, including my parents,

622
00:33:40.160 --> 00:33:43.279
<v Speaker 2>were like a medical bill away from homelessness. My parents

623
00:33:43.319 --> 00:33:46.400
<v Speaker 2>would be homeless had we paid your house payment among

624
00:33:46.480 --> 00:33:48.319
<v Speaker 2>my dad had a stroke in two thousand and four.

625
00:33:48.960 --> 00:33:54.400
<v Speaker 2>It just completely turned their entire But you know, my

626
00:33:54.759 --> 00:33:56.839
<v Speaker 2>dad lived from two thousand and four to twenty eighteen,

627
00:33:57.119 --> 00:33:59.519
<v Speaker 2>but it turned their lives completely upside down, Like had

628
00:33:59.559 --> 00:34:01.480
<v Speaker 2>we not made their house payments and things like that,

629
00:34:01.480 --> 00:34:02.480
<v Speaker 2>they'd be homeless.

630
00:34:02.880 --> 00:34:05.799
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, yeah, that's that's all it takes.

631
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<v Speaker 4>And so we have a we have holes in our

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<v Speaker 4>net and people are falling through those holes, and we've

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<v Speaker 4>got to we've got to tighten it up and repair

634
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<v Speaker 4>that and make it so that people get the assistance

635
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<v Speaker 4>and the.

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<v Speaker 3>Help that they need. People aren't choosing to be homeless.

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<v Speaker 4>We have a terrible premiere of Ontario who's kind of

638
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<v Speaker 4>like the governor, I guess in your system, and he

639
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<v Speaker 4>said homeless people should go out and get a job,

640
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<v Speaker 4>and it was such a myopic comment, such an uneducated,

641
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<v Speaker 4>privileged comment to make that. He disgusted so of humanitarians

642
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<v Speaker 4>here when he said it, because that's that's a man

643
00:34:43.599 --> 00:34:46.440
<v Speaker 4>who should be out there helping people who are homeless.

644
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<v Speaker 3>You know.

645
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<v Speaker 4>And I'm so sick and tired of the politicians and

646
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<v Speaker 4>their photo ops at Thanksgiving and at Christmas time. I'm ranting,

647
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<v Speaker 4>I know, but they go to the food banks and

648
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<v Speaker 4>they pose with the workers and say what great work

649
00:34:59.760 --> 00:35:02.800
<v Speaker 4>there all doing, and how how, how how they are

650
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<v Speaker 4>saints for doing this work. There shouldn't be there shouldn't

651
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<v Speaker 4>be food banks. I'm just going to go, you know,

652
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<v Speaker 4>those very politicians should be making it so that food

653
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<v Speaker 4>banks are eradicated, not posing for photos in them. Yeah,

654
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<v Speaker 4>I'm not but on my high horse right now. But

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<v Speaker 4>those are the such of things that I explore in

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<v Speaker 4>that in that article.

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<v Speaker 2>I think we're going to need to be on our

658
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<v Speaker 2>high horses a little bit to make sure we take

659
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<v Speaker 2>care of everybody from a humanitarian standpoint. You know, tell

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<v Speaker 2>me what you think like humanity to be a humanitarian

661
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<v Speaker 2>like humanity needs right now. I know we I was

662
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<v Speaker 2>going to go next into you with like food safety

663
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<v Speaker 2>and food security, but you know it's it's everything from

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<v Speaker 2>you know, rights, food, housing, shelter. I mean just there's

665
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<v Speaker 2>like so many facets of it that are just falling down,

666
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<v Speaker 2>and like I get, I get really really sad when

667
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<v Speaker 2>I see people that don't have food. It really freaks

668
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<v Speaker 2>me out. Yeah. Absolutely. I was in a Olympia snow

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<v Speaker 2>leadership foundation here in Maine. She's got she's a former senator,

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<v Speaker 2>and she has a foundation that helps people graduate from

671
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<v Speaker 2>helps women girls graduate from high school who might otherwise

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<v Speaker 2>have something thrown in their path to prevent it, for example,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, a parental circumstance or whatever. And I volunteered

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<v Speaker 2>to be a leader and help these five girls graduate,

675
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<v Speaker 2>which all of them did. But I cried all the

676
00:36:39.360 --> 00:36:42.559
<v Speaker 2>way home ninety minutes. My husband had to drive me

677
00:36:42.880 --> 00:36:46.320
<v Speaker 2>to and from the meeting with them because it made

678
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<v Speaker 2>me so sad. I just wanted to like adopt all

679
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<v Speaker 2>of them, and you can't.

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<v Speaker 3>Do that kind of thing.

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<v Speaker 2>So what I would do is I would secretly write

682
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<v Speaker 2>checks to the school so that like the school had

683
00:36:57.840 --> 00:37:02.880
<v Speaker 2>food and back it. Would they would like that? Well, no,

684
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<v Speaker 2>not from that standpoint. I just mean, like it's just

685
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<v Speaker 2>like the conversation of being aware, like scratching below the

686
00:37:11.360 --> 00:37:15.440
<v Speaker 2>surface to be aware of what's really happening with people,

687
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<v Speaker 2>because I don't have to know.

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<v Speaker 4>If we go there's an empathy, you know. I had

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<v Speaker 4>to go down to the mall near me and I

690
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<v Speaker 4>took an uber the other day because it's just too

691
00:37:28.159 --> 00:37:30.840
<v Speaker 4>cold and gross and wet out and there's too much

692
00:37:30.880 --> 00:37:33.559
<v Speaker 4>construction by that mall, and so it dropped me off

693
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<v Speaker 4>about a block or so away, and I was going

694
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<v Speaker 4>through this kind of you know, construction underpass kind of mess,

695
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<v Speaker 4>and there was a young black man curled up in

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<v Speaker 4>the fetal position, and people were all stepped stepping over him,

697
00:37:46.760 --> 00:37:50.360
<v Speaker 4>stepping over him, stepping over him, and he and I

698
00:37:50.440 --> 00:37:52.679
<v Speaker 4>stepped over him too, and then I looked back and

699
00:37:52.719 --> 00:37:55.800
<v Speaker 4>he was just looking forward. He wasn't sleeping, he wasn't

700
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<v Speaker 4>passed out, he was just looking forward in the position.

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<v Speaker 3>I gave him some money and went on my way.

702
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<v Speaker 3>But it's so heartbreaking to me to see people like this.

703
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<v Speaker 3>And I live in a community. I live in the

704
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<v Speaker 3>gay community of Toronto, and.

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<v Speaker 4>So it's a safer area for people to come to

706
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<v Speaker 4>when they're homeless or hungry or whatever, and they sort

707
00:38:19.840 --> 00:38:23.960
<v Speaker 4>of it's less violent. I guess and you see so

708
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<v Speaker 4>many people passed out on the street, Elizabeth, you can't

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<v Speaker 4>imagine or just the mental health spike and mental health

710
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<v Speaker 4>issues that have gone up since the pandemic. You know

711
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<v Speaker 4>we've done nothing about that here at all. We've got housing,

712
00:38:37.119 --> 00:38:40.199
<v Speaker 4>we've got hunger, we've got mental health as primary issues

713
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<v Speaker 4>around Canada, around the US. I know here in Toronto

714
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<v Speaker 4>it's really really bad.

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<v Speaker 2>I have a question for you about safety, one of

716
00:38:50.719 --> 00:38:53.719
<v Speaker 2>my friends, and then we'll go. I kept you on

717
00:38:53.840 --> 00:38:58.119
<v Speaker 2>and on here, but I love this conversation. So one

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00:38:58.159 --> 00:39:00.360
<v Speaker 2>of my friends wrote the book out in the world.

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<v Speaker 2>Her name is Amy Sheer, and it is I'll just

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<v Speaker 2>read the Shift. It's actually a book by Disney. It

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<v Speaker 2>says Meet the first totally inclusive guide for every traveler

722
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<v Speaker 2>out there. And this inspirational guidebook readers will discover one

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<v Speaker 2>hundred welcoming destinations where lgbtq IA vacationers and their allies

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<v Speaker 2>will feel safe, comfortable, and ready to make the most

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<v Speaker 2>of their experiences. Tell me what you think of something

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<v Speaker 2>aside from her being my friend, Amy, if you know

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<v Speaker 2>it makes me so I was like, oh my god,

728
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<v Speaker 2>I can't believe we need a book like this, and

729
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<v Speaker 2>then I'm like, OK, God, you wrote it. But on

730
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<v Speaker 2>the same on the same I'm like, oh, that makes

731
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<v Speaker 2>me so sad that we need a book like this

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<v Speaker 2>tell me about you.

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<v Speaker 4>And it's weird to have a book like this because

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<v Speaker 4>for queer people, you're not welcome in many places in

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<v Speaker 4>the world. There are seventy two countries in the world

736
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<v Speaker 4>right now where you can be punished for being queer

737
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<v Speaker 4>by being imprisoned or by being killed. You know, when

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<v Speaker 4>I talk about my friend Tessa, who's a humanitarian aid

739
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<v Speaker 4>worker and she was in Yemen, she texted me saying,

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<v Speaker 4>don't ever come here. It is not good for gay

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<v Speaker 4>people at all. She saw people being taken away, she

742
00:40:12.199 --> 00:40:16.519
<v Speaker 4>saw people being beaten all because they were gay, hanged

743
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<v Speaker 4>from cranes on display if you can imagine seeing a

744
00:40:20.320 --> 00:40:24.119
<v Speaker 4>crane like a building crane and someone hanging from it

745
00:40:24.239 --> 00:40:28.079
<v Speaker 4>as a warning to other gays. And so there's seventy

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<v Speaker 4>two countries in the world that you don't want to

747
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<v Speaker 4>be going to. And one example, it's improved a lot,

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<v Speaker 4>I understand, and friends who are from there say that

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<v Speaker 4>it's improved a lot. But Jamaica was the deadliest place

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<v Speaker 4>on Earth, according to Time magazine, for queer people about

751
00:40:42.679 --> 00:40:47.440
<v Speaker 4>ten years ago. Again, they've made some yes, and I've

752
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<v Speaker 4>interviewed people who've sought asylum in Canada, queer people who

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<v Speaker 4>are from Jamaica, and they tell horror stories of what

754
00:40:54.480 --> 00:40:59.119
<v Speaker 4>it was like there. Again, it's been improving, but you know,

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<v Speaker 4>I wouldn't feel comfortable ever going to Jamaica at this point.

756
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<v Speaker 4>And it's important for queer people to know where they're

757
00:41:04.639 --> 00:41:08.400
<v Speaker 4>welcoming when they're not welcome, because where you're not welcome,

758
00:41:08.480 --> 00:41:10.840
<v Speaker 4>it's not just like nose in the air and ignoring you,

759
00:41:10.880 --> 00:41:12.199
<v Speaker 4>we're not serving you or something like.

760
00:41:12.239 --> 00:41:13.480
<v Speaker 3>That, or not letting you in the hotel.

761
00:41:13.880 --> 00:41:18.400
<v Speaker 4>It's violence, and it's jail and possibly death. So a

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<v Speaker 4>book like your friend's written is very necessary.

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<v Speaker 2>She wrote it with Mark Jason Williams. Together they wrote

764
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<v Speaker 2>that book.

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<v Speaker 3>Good job guys.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep, that's what I said too, And then I went,

767
00:41:32.159 --> 00:41:34.840
<v Speaker 2>oh god, I'm so sorry. We need a book like this, everybody,

768
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<v Speaker 2>you know, I apologize for all of us.

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<v Speaker 4>No, But but going back to what you were talking

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<v Speaker 4>about earlier about allyship and what can people do, just

771
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<v Speaker 4>knowing that people listening to this right now, just knowing

772
00:41:50.000 --> 00:41:52.079
<v Speaker 4>that a book like that out there is needed. And

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<v Speaker 4>imagine if there was a book for straight people on

774
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<v Speaker 4>on where not to go because it's not safe for you.

775
00:41:58.519 --> 00:42:02.880
<v Speaker 4>Imagine that that's that's part of your experience a little.

776
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<v Speaker 2>Bit as a woman. I got to tell you that

777
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<v Speaker 2>it's as a woman.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, there's a little bit.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a there's a thing. I was at a conference

780
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<v Speaker 2>here that did the main conference for women, and and

781
00:42:13.159 --> 00:42:15.039
<v Speaker 2>one of my books got handed out and everything like that,

782
00:42:15.079 --> 00:42:16.679
<v Speaker 2>and I was all happy. And then I went into

783
00:42:16.679 --> 00:42:19.679
<v Speaker 2>one of the presentations. I took a break from signing

784
00:42:19.719 --> 00:42:23.679
<v Speaker 2>books and went in and listened, and I stumbled upon

785
00:42:23.800 --> 00:42:26.599
<v Speaker 2>hearing a conversation would you rather be in an alleyway

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<v Speaker 2>with a man or a bear? Almost one hundred percent

787
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<v Speaker 2>of women will choose a bear.

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00:42:30.840 --> 00:42:33.079
<v Speaker 3>So the bear a bear, the bear winds.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like, oh, oh my god.

790
00:42:35.719 --> 00:42:36.559
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And as a mother of four boys, it made my

792
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<v Speaker 2>skin call. I'm like, oh my god, because you don't

793
00:42:43.360 --> 00:42:46.639
<v Speaker 2>think about them being perceived that way because they're such

794
00:42:46.679 --> 00:42:49.079
<v Speaker 2>sweet kids, you know kind of thing that I've got nice,

795
00:42:49.119 --> 00:42:51.679
<v Speaker 2>really nice boys, you know kind of thing. And I'm like, oh,

796
00:42:52.239 --> 00:42:53.559
<v Speaker 2>this is going to be tough on you.

797
00:42:53.920 --> 00:42:57.719
<v Speaker 4>The other spoil it for everybody. Others spoiled it for everybody.

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<v Speaker 3>But I think our patriarchal society has changed, you know, slowly, slowly, slowly, slowly, slowly.

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<v Speaker 4>We see small movements, we see big movements. We see

800
00:43:06.119 --> 00:43:08.920
<v Speaker 4>me too movements, We see the queer movement. We see

801
00:43:08.960 --> 00:43:12.159
<v Speaker 4>people you know, fighting back. We saw the Winds march

802
00:43:12.239 --> 00:43:13.639
<v Speaker 4>on Washington first time.

803
00:43:13.519 --> 00:43:16.599
<v Speaker 3>Trump got in. You know, there's there's a sension going on.

804
00:43:17.840 --> 00:43:19.519
<v Speaker 3>It's just taking so damn long.

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00:43:20.639 --> 00:43:21.920
<v Speaker 4>Like I don't know where else see it in my

806
00:43:22.000 --> 00:43:26.119
<v Speaker 4>lifetime or not, But I believe it's happening. And I'm

807
00:43:26.119 --> 00:43:29.679
<v Speaker 4>an optimist, and I like to think the good things

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<v Speaker 4>are happening in the universe that the universe has are back.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep. I agree. All right, we got to go. We're

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<v Speaker 2>out of time. Where do you want people to go

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<v Speaker 2>to find you and listen to you and love you.

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<v Speaker 4>We'll go to Seanprue dot substack dot com. Go to

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<v Speaker 4>Seris XM channel one sixty seven on weekends to hear

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<v Speaker 4>the Sean Prue Show, and you can find out more

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<v Speaker 4>about me at Seanpru dot com. And Elizabeth, I love you,

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<v Speaker 4>Thank you so much for having me on your show today.

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<v Speaker 2>I love you too, all right, Thanks everybody for listening,

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<v Speaker 2>Take care and have a beautiful day and visit us

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<v Speaker 2>at bestevere dot com. We thank you, Sean, thank you

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<v Speaker 2>for listening.

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<v Speaker 1>We're so glad you tuned in. Be brave, be bold,

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<v Speaker 1>See you, and remember to visit us at besteveru dot com.
