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Speaker 2: Welcome everybody back to the show. Welcome back to the show.
Speaker 2: I am one of your hosts, Tom kat Ak, Tom
Speaker 2: Thompson the Raptilian, and I am joined by a very
Speaker 2: special guest, someone who has never podcasted or I'm assuming
Speaker 2: never done anything like this before. And would you like
Speaker 2: to introduce yourself, sir, and then we can kind of
Speaker 2: get into why we're making this happen.
Speaker 5: Hey, well, thanks for having me, Tom, so much appreciated
Speaker 5: to start.
Speaker 7: Kind of found.
Speaker 5: You serendipitously through when I was going through my beginning
Speaker 5: of an awakening. Give me a little background about myself.
Speaker 5: My name is Troy Online handle a sailor boy Troy.
Speaker 5: I did thirteen some ot of years of military, did
Speaker 5: a into time as the territorial fire Prevention officer up
Speaker 5: in the territory in Munibu, and I even did a
Speaker 5: stint in jail as a correctional officer. This is all
Speaker 5: in a period of the last six years since retirement,
Speaker 5: and now I'm just going on the journey of trying
Speaker 5: to get better and make some awareness for men's mental
Speaker 5: health and veterans' mental health and even mental even the
Speaker 5: health of the public.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's quite wild. I actually didn't know your corrections, Officer.
Speaker 2: I've been in a.
Speaker 7: Jail cell, so watch the comments section.
Speaker 2: I know it's not I know exactly. It's not a
Speaker 2: fun place to be. I was. I was in uh
Speaker 2: some I was a youth. I got to rest a
Speaker 2: couple times doing stupid shit, stealing a bike, stuff like that,
Speaker 2: and uh yeah, it's not a fun place to be,
Speaker 2: especially when you're like And that's why I have my
Speaker 2: own mental health stuff is because I went through a
Speaker 2: lot of traumatic events at a fairly young age and
Speaker 2: had to deal with some crazy things that went on
Speaker 2: in my life. And I grew up too fast, right,
Speaker 2: I was having sex too early, doing drugs too early,
Speaker 2: getting involved in like relationships that were supposed to be
Speaker 2: like like adult relationships, like you know, with the things
Speaker 2: of like getting into stuff when you're very too young,
Speaker 2: like too young to understand what you're doing, like especially
Speaker 2: when it comes to drugs women. And then you know,
Speaker 2: crime right when you're not even realizing that you're really
Speaker 2: committing a crime, you're just doing it for fun, right,
Speaker 2: And me and my friends always used to like take bikes,
Speaker 2: ride them around for a bit, and then just kind
Speaker 2: of like throw them off to the side or whatever.
Speaker 2: We never really thought about it. And then realistically now
Speaker 2: my brain thinks a lot differently than it did even
Speaker 2: five years ago. So, uh, you know, and it's interesting
Speaker 2: because you got in contact me and we just started talking.
Speaker 2: It seems like it's probably been I feel like a
Speaker 2: month maybe more.
Speaker 7: Yeah, about a month, about a month after I got
Speaker 7: out of Dimensions program.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so we'll get into all that stuff. But uh,
Speaker 2: we're we were kind of going to take the direction
Speaker 2: of the show is we might be doing a lot
Speaker 2: of deep dives into some crazy rabbit holes that uh
Speaker 2: you've been going down and you've been sending me tons
Speaker 2: of info on it and stuff like that, so it's
Speaker 2: pretty interesting. But we I kind of want to take
Speaker 2: it from base level of of what got you into,
Speaker 2: you know, trying to heal yourself and and help your
Speaker 2: mental health. And if everybody listening, we're gonna be talking
Speaker 2: more about using psychedelics also for mental health use and
Speaker 2: stuff like that. Like I've done with mushrooms. And I
Speaker 2: was just on the Cult of Conspiracy podcast and the
Speaker 2: one of the co hosts he just did d MT
Speaker 2: the night before we recorded, and he said the first
Speaker 2: time was the greatest experience he's ever had, like amazing,
Speaker 2: and then he took double the dose and he almost
Speaker 2: never wants to do it again because it showed him
Speaker 2: some dark stuff.
Speaker 7: Somebody had ego death, Yeah, somebody definitely ego death.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So yeah, bring it in. Tell me we're kind
Speaker 2: of what what that kind of all transpired.
Speaker 5: Let's kind of go back to the you know, comparing
Speaker 5: everything as you were saying before. You know, some people
Speaker 5: go to jail, some people go to the military, some
Speaker 5: people go to college, and some.
Speaker 7: People go to work. Right now, unresolved trauma.
Speaker 5: Going back to that, right, we've alled out with trauma,
Speaker 5: and everybody does it their own different way, and and
Speaker 5: going through, like even going through as a correctional officer,
Speaker 5: looking at the end days like with what happened to
Speaker 5: me and the past being into that later on with trauma,
Speaker 5: But I could easily have gone into that direction, right,
Speaker 5: because you've got to remember, Like the way I look
Speaker 5: at it, I feel like a lot of people in
Speaker 5: societies today are just damage feral children that were raised
Speaker 5: by delinquency. Because that's what that's what we're seeing in society.
Speaker 5: To say, even from the stuff we see on television
Speaker 5: to what's coming out in Hollywood today, right, it's all
Speaker 5: intertwined together and and you know, mental health, being mental
Speaker 5: healthy and.
Speaker 7: What it is. I think we've discussed this before.
Speaker 5: It's more than just one day year, right, but you know,
Speaker 5: it's it's just another flag that society waves that people
Speaker 5: to go.
Speaker 7: You know, I'm part of that.
Speaker 5: I'm getting my EESG score or wherever wherever the case
Speaker 5: may be, just to say I did something right. And
Speaker 5: you know, they'll tell you to go call people at
Speaker 5: like these helplines and do all these other things, and
Speaker 5: you're you're who's picking up the phone just to volunteer
Speaker 5: who gives as much of a ship.
Speaker 7: Ted bundle about you exactly.
Speaker 2: Ted Bundy was a call center the first suicide stuff
Speaker 2: like that. He used to answer the phone calls for
Speaker 2: people who were suicidal. Everybody think about that, Ted Bundy.
Speaker 5: He cared, right, He cared because he thought he was
Speaker 5: probably like resolving a problem.
Speaker 7: Right.
Speaker 5: But but but the thing is, like, you know what,
Speaker 5: you know, when he picked that phone up, that's somebody
Speaker 5: who's been sitting on the damn phone just as much
Speaker 5: as everyone else in the world is waiting for that phone,
Speaker 5: call the ring and go hello and just make it
Speaker 5: sound good for the recording.
Speaker 7: Nothing gets done. Nothing. And that's why, like we need
Speaker 7: to have these.
Speaker 5: Conversations and and get everybody on the same page, right,
Speaker 5: because it doesn't matter what walk of.
Speaker 7: Life you come from. It's it's at the end of
Speaker 7: the day, it's it's society is the problem. We can
Speaker 7: go through that.
Speaker 2: As as speaking of serial killers, Charles Manson didn't make
Speaker 2: that that statement quite a bit that it was he
Speaker 2: was just a reflection of the society that and he's
Speaker 2: technically a cult leader, i'd say, but he gets thrown
Speaker 2: realm of serial killers, but that there's society that breeds
Speaker 2: people like him, you know, that was abused by the system,
Speaker 2: and his mom was a child prostitute and all that stuff.
Speaker 7: Right.
Speaker 2: So and I think we we are just the reflection
Speaker 2: of how sick our society is. And I say I
Speaker 2: say this all the time because you see how depraved
Speaker 2: and degenerate a lot of people are and how and
Speaker 2: you know they're doing everything that they can to escape
Speaker 2: from their mind, whether that be being addicted to sex, drugs,
Speaker 2: video games, television, movies. We've all done it in some regard,
Speaker 2: even like people were addicted to coffee, whatever it may be.
Speaker 2: You know, a lot of us do these things to
Speaker 2: bury our feelings and to make ourselves feel better in
Speaker 2: that moment.
Speaker 5: Well, it's a it's a coping mechanism, right, and there
Speaker 5: are good, good and bad about it, right. And you
Speaker 5: know a lot of things that I've been seeing with
Speaker 5: society today, like like, for instance, like I'm going to
Speaker 5: smell the joint long wring here. Yeah, here's my government
Speaker 5: issued weed. Right, Like I get I get so much weed.
Speaker 5: I get more weed that I and a household can
Speaker 5: smoke a month for free. And it just it reminds
Speaker 5: me of like the brave New World. Right, it's gonna
Speaker 5: be your solma, right, just keep your numb and dumb
Speaker 5: and just you know, resolved the problem.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I see that too, and God knows what they're
Speaker 2: spraying on it. I had a buddy, a buddy that's
Speaker 2: been on the show before. He does his own show, Shane,
Speaker 2: and he worked in that he worked in the essentially
Speaker 2: just working and do dealing with weed in that industry.
Speaker 2: And he said that the stuff they spray on it,
Speaker 2: you have to leave the room like two hours and stuff.
Speaker 7: And I can imagine that.
Speaker 5: Like my spouse, she even works, and she used to
Speaker 5: work in like the labs, right, so like Jamison and
Speaker 5: all these different other laboratories, so like all the chemicals
Speaker 5: and shit.
Speaker 7: Like she couldn't go into the room without like has
Speaker 7: mac gear on. And this is stuff like you're consuming
Speaker 7: later on to be.
Speaker 2: Like but now and this year is gonna grow on
Speaker 2: my own, but I didn't have the opportunity. But next
Speaker 2: year is the plan. But then you don't know what
Speaker 2: the seats are even good or whatever.
Speaker 5: Right, So well I don't even get high anymore, Like
Speaker 5: I can smoke like a big candigar and it would
Speaker 5: take me about a three gram ca a guardic, like
Speaker 5: have a buzz anymore. Like I just it's either so
Speaker 5: watered down or I'm just I'm permitfried. And I only
Speaker 5: started smoking like five years ago since I got out
Speaker 5: of there.
Speaker 7: That's crazy.
Speaker 2: I feel like it's getting worse for me because I
Speaker 2: don't smoke as often. Every time I do, I'm like
Speaker 2: blitz it in my mind because all this we is
Speaker 2: so much stronger than the ship that I smoke when
Speaker 2: I was a kid. We just to smoke that nipper weed.
Speaker 2: Sounds racist, but that's what we called it. Uh and
Speaker 2: and and all the other ship like some of the homegrown.
Speaker 2: And I remember my buddy first got weed off the
Speaker 2: internet and it was like a game changer. We were
Speaker 2: smoking it by this like abandoned well that doesn't exist,
Speaker 2: like no one using it, and we're just like it's
Speaker 2: like I'm just being high ship stare at this old
Speaker 2: lady at the park. I was like, man, this stuff
Speaker 2: is too strong.
Speaker 5: Well that's that's kind of like how everything seems to
Speaker 5: be going now, Like like look at was it even
Speaker 5: pre COVID, like when weed was decriminalized, right and like
Speaker 5: every there's pop up stores everywhere.
Speaker 7: The cops are.
Speaker 5: Going probably like buy bag and then arrest them, right
Speaker 5: like they and then they pop up across the street
Speaker 5: the very next day, right, And that's what you're starting
Speaker 5: to see nowadays with even the mushroom shops and those
Speaker 5: mushroom places.
Speaker 7: Right.
Speaker 5: It's it's it's the exact same thing, right, they pop up,
Speaker 5: they get shut down, nobody gets charged. It's gonna it's
Speaker 5: the thing that's happening with wood is going to happen again,
Speaker 5: and which is fine. But the thing is with when
Speaker 5: you're dealing with psychedelics like Joe Rogan and Terrence McKenna,
Speaker 5: all these people making it like so common and the
Speaker 5: access to it now is is so easy, like like
Speaker 5: you could even order some from BC where it is
Speaker 5: decriminalized and have it legally fallen to youre right. And
Speaker 5: that's up to an including dimethyl trip to me, which
Speaker 5: we can talk about. But the thing is like when
Speaker 5: you're looking at these dosages, people don't realize there is
Speaker 5: a pharmacology behind it, right, Like there is going to
Speaker 5: be an effect based on your height, your weight, that content,
Speaker 5: all this other stuff. Right to get a proper dose
Speaker 5: and some people go, well, I'm just gonna go take
Speaker 5: a heroic dose and you'll eat a whole freaking bag
Speaker 5: of bag of mushrooms. And then they're off to the
Speaker 5: to lava land because they don't know what to expect, right,
Speaker 5: Whereas that's where we're going to start seeing a lot
Speaker 5: more psychosis is behind this because it's becoming cool and
Speaker 5: people just don't know how to use it responsible.
Speaker 2: Ye that's uh. I just it will be out the
Speaker 2: time this episode's out. But I had Elizabeth April on
Speaker 2: a show. She's a pretty interesting woman. Believes that she's
Speaker 2: in contact with aliens. It's wild. But we're talking about
Speaker 2: the d MT stuff and how she's like she's Canadian,
Speaker 2: but she's living in the States, I think right now.
Speaker 2: And then they're getting a property in Ottawa or whatever,
Speaker 2: and she's talking about how she in Toronto now there's
Speaker 2: like shops and stuff where you can go get like
Speaker 2: a d MT pen and she's like, that's not responsible
Speaker 2: because these people don't know what they're getting into. Uh,
Speaker 2: And it's this is not like a party drug, even mushrooms,
Speaker 2: it's not a party drugs. I'm siying you mix alcohol
Speaker 2: with because I've I've been on a high dose of
Speaker 2: mushrooms and then I thought I'm burning out. And then
Speaker 2: I drink a little bit, like I'll have like a
Speaker 2: little whiskey or whatever, even a beer, and it like
Speaker 2: my heart starts to pulse and it's like it does
Speaker 2: not feel good. It's you shouldn't be mixing even weed.
Speaker 2: There's some times hrapping now mushroom smoke a little weed
Speaker 2: and it like blasts me off and I'm paranoid thinking
Speaker 2: that everybody's watching me from every different corner of the
Speaker 2: room or something.
Speaker 5: You know. Well, the big thing people don't talk about
Speaker 5: with it is is it's it is.
Speaker 7: I firmly believe that is based Most religion is based
Speaker 7: on it.
Speaker 5: Now, maybe not so much the stories, but at least
Speaker 5: the ceremonies, right because I don't know if you can
Speaker 5: pull anything up on here, but I did send you
Speaker 5: the basilica that there was the picture of the basilica.
Speaker 5: If you look at the basilica at the ceiling, it
Speaker 5: looks exactly like a kaleidoscope. Or if you look at
Speaker 5: the cern high trant collider like a high kaleidoscope, very
Speaker 5: much the exact same of a fractal effect that you
Speaker 5: will see when you go into your initial dose of
Speaker 5: a d MT or even mushrooms.
Speaker 7: Right. The thing is once you once you look.
Speaker 5: At that, you go, well, is this what they were
Speaker 5: doing to people that to make that thing spin? Because
Speaker 5: you remember when you're if you're messed up and you're
Speaker 5: looking at that, that's going to start spending like a
Speaker 5: kaleidoscope as well. Right, then you're going to be into
Speaker 5: a trance and then you're going to see the angels
Speaker 5: and then you know, back in the days of human sacrifice,
Speaker 5: that's probably how they got you to, you know, die, Right, That's.
Speaker 2: What's crazy, man. Is like when they especially in the Aztecs,
Speaker 2: how they would, like we were just talking about this
Speaker 2: is like the guys like tripping balls looking up at
Speaker 2: a guy with a knife over him, and then like
Speaker 2: they would sacrifice you and you would be on mushrooms
Speaker 2: while you're being sacrificed.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and that's kind of very.
Speaker 5: Much how the the experience I had with when I
Speaker 5: even went to the retreat get a shaman involved. You
Speaker 5: see the fractals, the fractals start having movement and and
Speaker 5: that's when I had my eureka moment when I was
Speaker 5: up at this this retreat that I've gone to. When
Speaker 5: I came out of it, I realized the shaman as
Speaker 5: he was singing, because I could still hear, but I
Speaker 5: had my like I kind of dropped through the floor
Speaker 5: and as he was singing, like he was making the
Speaker 5: patterns dance, I was like, what the hell is I've
Speaker 5: never seen this before on DMT, like ever in my life.
Speaker 5: And he had a bouncing bouncing bouncing and then unraveled him.
Speaker 5: I had like this vision and I went, what is
Speaker 5: going on here? When I came out of it, you know,
Speaker 5: everyone was smudging over top of me. I'm looking at everybody,
Speaker 5: go tell me that was real? On your license to
Speaker 5: me that was real? And I was like, yeah, that
Speaker 5: was real and just freaking out. And then I look
Speaker 5: down and I'm looking at the native blankets and all
Speaker 5: the beadwork for the Sanmaranto stuff he was wearing as well, and.
Speaker 7: I'm like, those are the patterns, Like those are the fragles.
Speaker 5: That's exactly what native beadwork is, like everything is based
Speaker 5: off of fragles.
Speaker 2: Well that's where I said.
Speaker 7: When I've mush rabbit hole, right, So.
Speaker 2: I've noticed that like I've done, like especially that there's
Speaker 2: a definitely like the strange blue meaties. Uh. I saw
Speaker 2: this where it almost looked, like I said, tribal patterns,
Speaker 2: but it's like translucent objects that are like moving and stuff.
Speaker 2: It's like wild. And so maybe just you obviously you
Speaker 2: don't have to go and only go into the detail
Speaker 2: that you want to get into, but maybe explain why
Speaker 2: you what kind of presented the opportunity with you being
Speaker 2: of the do DMT essentially legally and for mental health
Speaker 2: and stuff like that, because you that's essentially what happened, right,
Speaker 2: is you were able to do it legally for PTSD
Speaker 2: and stuff like.
Speaker 7: That, well not not DMT, Like DMT is not legal
Speaker 7: like it is.
Speaker 5: It is still a substance, right, but because everything is determinalize,
Speaker 5: it is easily attainable.
Speaker 7: Like I said, you can go to your corner store
Speaker 7: like your friend had said. Right.
Speaker 5: So, I've been dealing with quite some bad note of PTSD.
Speaker 5: I won't get into too much of it, but long
Speaker 5: story short, my last resort after I had kind of
Speaker 5: I was looking I was actually looking into made at
Speaker 5: that point, like because.
Speaker 7: I've been asking for about twenty years through the.
Speaker 5: System, like through military doctors and everyone else for help,
Speaker 5: and it was just thrown on deaf years, right, like
Speaker 5: nothing is actionable until something happens, right, And that just
Speaker 5: seems to be the status quote of even the government.
Speaker 7: Right. So if I were to kill myself, then they
Speaker 7: would look into it.
Speaker 5: But if I was asking for help, you know, you're
Speaker 5: just you got a couple of screwizs.
Speaker 7: This gets chatting there, right, that's just how.
Speaker 2: So if people don't know what made is in Canada,
Speaker 2: the government will legally offer you to be suicided. That's
Speaker 2: what they do now. And they've killed fifty thousand people
Speaker 2: since twenty sixteen, which is crazy.
Speaker 5: And if you do some research into that too, I
Speaker 5: don't believe you died. Like somebody looked into it and
Speaker 5: I can't remember her name, but a girl looked in
Speaker 5: it and said that you may be out with that
Speaker 5: parabletic boson to you, but like you're actually drowning crupt
Speaker 5: to including twenty minutes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know I heard that too from US Jordan
Speaker 2: Peterson did a talk with her or whatever. Not really
Speaker 2: a big fan of him, considering he kisses the boot
Speaker 2: of Israel. But everyone is uh, you know, everyone's kind
Speaker 2: of a shill in their own right, and everyone's just
Speaker 2: trying to make their own money, you know. And there's
Speaker 2: a lot of people like that within and I don't
Speaker 2: think some of these people even believe the bullshit that
Speaker 2: they're saying, because he claims to be Christian, but then
Speaker 2: he said he doesn't believe in the virgin birth and
Speaker 2: all that stuff. And I'm not religious at all, I've
Speaker 2: so I said that to you, but I do lean towards,
Speaker 2: you know, the idea of Christianity of saying that to
Speaker 2: be like a person like Jesus would be pretty righteous,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, And not like a righteous
Speaker 2: but like it's it's being a good hearted person that
Speaker 2: cares about your fellow human h you know, that's how
Speaker 2: we should all be. But there's definitely things I've been
Speaker 2: done wrong within religion, and there's definitely certain other religions too,
Speaker 2: and people could say, including Christianity that have you know,
Speaker 2: that they think that their magic book is the right
Speaker 2: magic book and then they kill people because of it
Speaker 2: and stuff like that, especially more radicalized religion, which you
Speaker 2: can see in the Middle East, that's for sure.
Speaker 5: Well, And that's the thing about even the religions side,
Speaker 5: right that they try to make all hot and sexy
Speaker 5: about it, right, Like, that's that's the danger with the
Speaker 5: New Age movement. And that's where I pump the brakes
Speaker 5: in all of this, right because when you take the
Speaker 5: New Age movement and he brings psychedelics into it, of
Speaker 5: course you want to be like chist. Like I would
Speaker 5: firmly believe that, Craig, because there are peace in the
Speaker 5: Bible where Christ has like been missing, Like who's the
Speaker 5: say he didn't go to India. Who's to say he
Speaker 5: didn't learn all of these different types of things like
Speaker 5: ray ki and all these.
Speaker 2: That's what they claim that he was missing for like
Speaker 2: thirteen years. I think it was.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I forget the exact number.
Speaker 5: He was like twelve or thirteen when he left, and
Speaker 5: he showed up back when he was thirty, So yeah,
Speaker 5: you know, seventeen somebody. But even until that's enough time
Speaker 5: for him to go to all these places, learned how
Speaker 5: to be a master and come back and teach it. Now,
Speaker 5: where I have a problem with the New Age movement
Speaker 5: is when they start saying you were God having inexperience
Speaker 5: through a vessel. We are all God there's the trap, right, Like,
Speaker 5: that's where it starts to get a little bit. This
Speaker 5: could be very culty, right because they're telling you that
Speaker 5: you are a god now, which makes you equal to
Speaker 5: the Creator and so on and so forth. Right, So
Speaker 5: it gets that's where it gets very dangerous with the
Speaker 5: New Age, not especially when some places are mixing it
Speaker 5: into treatment.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I do think that, like I've always thought.
Speaker 2: This is just my perspective of what I've experienced in
Speaker 2: research is I've always thought, whatever God is, we are
Speaker 2: connected to, which makes us part of what God is,
Speaker 2: which makes us all a god of this reality, so
Speaker 2: to speak. And and and the God that I believe
Speaker 2: in is whatever that energy is, is a benevolent God
Speaker 2: that even if you question him or you go against him,
Speaker 2: you will still be let into his graces, so to speak.
Speaker 2: Because there is a lot of people and people I've
Speaker 2: talked to you on the show and stuff like that, uh,
Speaker 2: friends that are you know, very religious and think because
Speaker 2: I have questions, I'm not going to quote unquote Heaven,
Speaker 2: but I don't believe that's not the gut I believe in.
Speaker 2: And I do not think the Bible is the be all,
Speaker 2: end all of knowledge. I think that you have to
Speaker 2: look for the truth within all these ancient books and
Speaker 2: all these religious books and wherever it might be, and
Speaker 2: then try to decipher what the truth actually is. And
Speaker 2: I don't think any of us are going to know
Speaker 2: the truth until we're dead.
Speaker 5: Well, and that's the thing too, right, Like like like
Speaker 5: your buddy, I think his name is Brian Knowle.
Speaker 7: Is that his name that you had on?
Speaker 6: Uh?
Speaker 2: Brandon?
Speaker 7: Is that? Thank you?
Speaker 5: A lot of stuff he was saying, like is it
Speaker 5: very very lines up with a lot of the things
Speaker 5: that like I've you know, found myself and a lot
Speaker 5: of people that I have had conversation with, Like he's he's closed,
Speaker 5: but he's like not over the target because it's a
Speaker 5: very dangerous conversation when you get into all that stuff.
Speaker 5: But it's nice that you are having these conversations because
Speaker 5: even in scripture, like it tells you like it's for
Speaker 5: those to hear and for.
Speaker 7: Those to see.
Speaker 5: Right, So as long as you're doing the quest for knowledge,
Speaker 5: so to speak, like you're not in the bad graces,
Speaker 5: like it is expected that you go and learning the
Speaker 5: scriptures of the garden as much as you can, right,
Speaker 5: Because even that goes into like the old shames zoom theory, right, like,
Speaker 5: how are you going to know your enemy without knowing
Speaker 5: his tactics?
Speaker 7: Right? Are the war stuff?
Speaker 2: That's true?
Speaker 5: Right, So you're not wrong in doing it, and we
Speaker 5: should all be doing it, like even even the little
Speaker 5: bit of conspiracy checking a lot of people are doing.
Speaker 5: They're doing a hell of a lot more than people
Speaker 5: who are going to church up the street. They go
Speaker 5: to church, will hear somebody talk about a passion that
Speaker 5: they picked out for the week, and they're not going
Speaker 5: home to reflect on it. Twelve minutes later, outside of
Speaker 5: the church, they're probably you know, gossiping at Denny's about
Speaker 5: Susie and what she's wearing.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, it's it's very true.
Speaker 7: They're doing more work than they are.
Speaker 2: It's funny because that's what Anton Levey, the guy that
Speaker 2: created the Church of Satan said. He's say like, was
Speaker 2: to talk about how you know the guy that the
Speaker 2: some of the religious people camera is exact quote, but
Speaker 2: saying that that guy that goes to church every Sunday
Speaker 2: is banging somebody behind his wife's back and doesn't really
Speaker 2: believe in the things that they're preaching. And there's a
Speaker 2: lot of that. Right. The whole thing is like with
Speaker 2: Christianity tied into Israel, and I'm sorry, I like I
Speaker 2: bring this up on the show. A lot of people
Speaker 2: they don't like you, man. The Jewish people do not
Speaker 2: like Christians. And that's a fact. You can look this up.
Speaker 2: It's an all their doctrine, It's in all their literature.
Speaker 2: They literally say this. There's multiple rabbis like I'm saying, like,
Speaker 2: like I've seen at least fifty different rabbis say this
Speaker 2: stuff and Collus Goiam and all sorts of horrible things.
Speaker 2: So like stop stop doing, stop kissing their boot. They
Speaker 2: don't like you, and they actually are laughing as they're
Speaker 2: destroying you.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 2: But like, I'll always be the one that questions things.
Speaker 2: I don't like the King James version of the Bible
Speaker 2: and stuff like that. I just think that things have
Speaker 2: been toyed with and played with. I do think if
Speaker 2: you go back to the Dead Sea scrolls and some
Speaker 2: of the Sumerian texts, you start to find at least
Speaker 2: where some of this stuff is based off of and
Speaker 2: what the truth might might be. I lean towards more
Speaker 2: of the idea of the Anunaki and that we are
Speaker 2: probably a creation of something like that, because it just
Speaker 2: seems most the most obvious thing that we have different
Speaker 2: a DNAs and us and that's why there's white people
Speaker 2: and indigenous people and Asian and all that stuff and
Speaker 2: black and you know it is weird, man, especially the
Speaker 2: Asian stuff. So like our son rose to the east,
Speaker 2: our eyes or slant, it doesn't make sense.
Speaker 7: I cannot wait.
Speaker 5: And I hope that I convinced my friend to come
Speaker 5: on the show with you and we can all get
Speaker 5: together with your friend as well and have this conversation again.
Speaker 7: Because that would be I we're completely off topic here,
Speaker 7: like we're going down into the rabbit hole.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's for sure, but let's get back. We'll bring
Speaker 2: it back. We'll bring it back, so obviously. And then
Speaker 2: so you went to this retreat, right.
Speaker 7: Yeah, So so I went to this retreat.
Speaker 5: I was offered well, I requested managed, since I was
Speaker 5: offered made because I was I had had enough, right,
Speaker 5: twenty years, here's a.
Speaker 7: Bunch of pills, here's you know.
Speaker 5: I talked to twenty two different doctors about my problems
Speaker 5: within the military lake removable time, right, So nothing was done,
Speaker 5: It was just status quo.
Speaker 7: That's status quo of that.
Speaker 5: And it took a very big court case to snap
Speaker 5: them out of it and wake them up and go,
Speaker 5: oh shit, like this guy actually had a problem, right,
Speaker 5: long story short, I put a pedophile in jail who
Speaker 5: had been Yeah, they had been abusing boys, including myself
Speaker 5: twenty twenty some odd years ago.
Speaker 2: Good for you for adding him, because a lot of
Speaker 2: people hold their tongue on that stuff, and then you
Speaker 2: know there could be just as served and.
Speaker 5: Well that's and that's just the thing, right holding your tongue,
Speaker 5: Like you got to look where we grew up, like
Speaker 5: the age we grew up, guys, it can.
Speaker 7: Never happen to guys.
Speaker 5: Now, if a teacher ever did it to you, it'd
Speaker 5: be encouraged, right, Like, there's just you know, it doesn't
Speaker 5: happen to guys. And like I said earlier, like when
Speaker 5: you're when you're suppressing that much abuse or any other
Speaker 5: types of travelhood trauma you've had, when you just can't
Speaker 5: wait to get the fuck out of the house. As
Speaker 5: soon as I was seventeen, the military picked me up
Speaker 5: and I was like, I'm a fuck out of here.
Speaker 5: Just no one's listening to me. I gotta go right,
Speaker 5: So again it goes back to well, you're, like I said,
Speaker 5: were damaged pharaoh children being raised by delinquency, right, because
Speaker 5: where did I go? I went right off to the
Speaker 5: military with a bunch of other delinquents who were broken,
Speaker 5: living in a dorm style environment where it was encouraged
Speaker 5: to be a dude. Yeah right, it's just it's it's
Speaker 5: just a cycle of bullshit until you actually get it fixed, right.
Speaker 5: And it only took twenty years and nine people to
Speaker 5: come forward for this guy to actually come forward. And
Speaker 5: the funny thing it was everybody in the town knew, right,
Speaker 5: They'd say yep, and and and even his subordinates within
Speaker 5: within the institution that he was working at, Like everybody
Speaker 5: had a name Clinger.
Speaker 7: Everybody knew, but they'd rather gossip than It's.
Speaker 2: Like Jimmy Savileman, everybody knew everyone, but then nothing happened
Speaker 2: till years and years later.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and that's and that's why I see like what's
Speaker 5: happening today in society with with Bieber. I kid ain't
Speaker 5: fucking lion, like I was, like, yep, one hundred percent right,
Speaker 5: I just I put myself because when he was when
Speaker 5: he was getting it from Diddy. I was the same
Speaker 5: age he was when I started getting this see.
Speaker 2: And that's what's crazy too, is me and Aaron talked
Speaker 2: about this like a month ago and I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 2: this is like how far it's gonna go. He's gonna
Speaker 2: maybe get get let out or whatever. And then it's
Speaker 2: just like the tunnel kept digging, like and I was like,
Speaker 2: the more information kept releasing, and I said that he's
Speaker 2: the tip of the iceberg on that Episodember, I'm like,
Speaker 2: this stuff is just the tip of the iceberg. Man.
Speaker 2: They literally had a child like an island where they
Speaker 2: fucked children like that, a whole island for that shit.
Speaker 2: So imagine what else is going on.
Speaker 5: And that's the funny thing that I hope we talk
Speaker 5: again in regards to this rabbitable.
Speaker 7: Right, Well, you know, I I've.
Speaker 5: Been using since I got out, Like I used to
Speaker 5: be a fire investigator as well, right, So I was
Speaker 5: just you can't help it, dig, right, once you have
Speaker 5: a haunt she dig.
Speaker 2: My grandfather was the fire chief, one of the fire
Speaker 2: chiefs in Toronto for many years, so I totally understand
Speaker 2: where that kind of background. I never got into this.
Speaker 2: I was too much of a dirt bag. I was
Speaker 2: a bad teenager. And it's funny my grandfather's dead now,
Speaker 2: Like grew up in the Depression, and now I look
Speaker 2: back and all those times I gave him a hard time, like,
Speaker 2: and I now want to be a man like he was.
Speaker 2: But at that time, I couldn't see that. I was
Speaker 2: just a rebellious teen like and I'm I'm a Canadian
Speaker 2: nationalist and I remember I was saying this, but I
Speaker 2: was in like grade school. I didn't like, uh, staying
Speaker 2: for the national anthem because I didn't like being told
Speaker 2: what to do. And that was literally it. It wasn't
Speaker 2: because I like didn't like my country or whatever. And
Speaker 2: it's so funny if I looked at myself then as
Speaker 2: a twelve year boy, if I could talk to him
Speaker 2: and be like, what the fuck are you thinking? Man,
Speaker 2: You're a rebel without a cause? And my grandma always
Speaker 2: to say that, And I was until I found my
Speaker 2: true hatred for the government, and then I became a
Speaker 2: real rebel.
Speaker 5: Uh you know what, I'm close to there myself, my friend, Like,
Speaker 5: I've seen too much and that's kind of the salt
Speaker 5: and the wound of all the stuff. Right, you can't
Speaker 5: work and you can't work in government as long as
Speaker 5: I did and not see the cracks and.
Speaker 2: Go, wow, that's what.
Speaker 5: I'm sure he'll tell you about the waste, just the
Speaker 5: waste alone, right where they would just throw shit out
Speaker 5: for lunches, like more more than people could eat in
Speaker 5: a day, and then they were school in the garbage
Speaker 5: like the same day, right, Like it's just there's so
Speaker 5: much waste and abundance, Like it's just you want to
Speaker 5: where your tax dollars go, and and that's that's where
Speaker 5: we're that's where we'll go into, uh with Dimensions. So
Speaker 5: long back to that, when I was going through my PTSD,
Speaker 5: I reached out and somebody told me about this program
Speaker 5: called Dimensions. So they didn't really tell me too much
Speaker 5: about it, was kind of hush us, but like it's
Speaker 5: a retreat that you go to to get peace of
Speaker 5: mind for PTSD. And and all these years I had
Speaker 5: never been offered anything like not even box breathing, like.
Speaker 7: For coping. So I said, well, you know what, I'll
Speaker 7: give it a shot.
Speaker 5: So I had to go through all these series of
Speaker 5: tests and all this stuff, and they were sending me
Speaker 5: these things like I had to fill out and they're like, oh,
Speaker 5: you're a good candidate to go whatever that meant. So
Speaker 5: at twenty five thousand dollars of your tax dollars, vegans,
Speaker 5: the fairies paid for this program just sent me on.
Speaker 5: So while I was waiting for this program, I had
Speaker 5: decided I was just going to go up there and
Speaker 5: this was going to be it.
Speaker 7: So I've been, I've been.
Speaker 5: I've been recluse ever since got back from the Arctic. Right, like,
Speaker 5: once depressant sets in, like it's bad. Like I'm sure
Speaker 5: anyone who's really been a pressed understands that, and anyone
Speaker 5: who out there who doesn't, the people who out there
Speaker 5: who cry over guys like Robba Lamps and then make
Speaker 5: fun of people you're talking about it, you're you're just.
Speaker 7: The most vilent people.
Speaker 2: The illuminati.
Speaker 7: Yeah, well the illuminati.
Speaker 2: Is yeah to say, I think it is crazy that
Speaker 2: you worked out none of it because I want none
Speaker 2: of it. I don't want to it's it's too cold.
Speaker 2: It's probably like I even some of that. I could
Speaker 2: just ask you out because I'm like, I've never been
Speaker 2: to a place that cold all the time, right, it
Speaker 2: gets pretty cold in Ontario.
Speaker 7: But like it it's not that cold all the time.
Speaker 5: Like the I think the high was like seventeen where
Speaker 5: I was up there, Like that was the high for
Speaker 5: the hot dances in the summer, but like I was
Speaker 5: there for blizzard season, like as it was creeping in
Speaker 5: and you want to talk about a place that that
Speaker 5: needs help, Like actually, like that's that's what broke me,
Speaker 5: was being up there. Just finally I was like, I
Speaker 5: don't want to be part of the problem.
Speaker 2: That's understand the weekend.
Speaker 5: We can get into all that later because like, like
Speaker 5: I had quite the awakening even at the Dimensions Retreat.
Speaker 5: I went up there and it was for ten days
Speaker 5: away up near Goonquin Islands. It's like eight hours from
Speaker 5: where I lived, and I had to convince myself to go.
Speaker 5: And the only way I was going to go is
Speaker 5: if I could bring my dog, which thankfully I could, so.
Speaker 7: I brought her up and we were there for ten.
Speaker 5: Days and we did all these different exercises throughout the week.
Speaker 5: Like one was like biosound where you just kind of
Speaker 5: lie on a bed and they like vibrate it and
Speaker 5: like play different sounds in your ears to trigger shit
Speaker 5: or whatever, and then you'd have your therapy sessions and
Speaker 5: then you would do like I think you get two
Speaker 5: sound sound baths, so you know it's the biotank where
Speaker 5: you're sitting in the water the float.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've done that. Well, I could never get into it.
Speaker 2: I had a body that one flows to you for
Speaker 2: a bit, and it did it three times the first
Speaker 2: time at high and then I got salt in my eye.
Speaker 2: He did when he was on mushrooms, and I was like, man,
Speaker 2: I wish I did that, like just sitting in that
Speaker 2: silence and stuff. But it's, uh, I've heard I've heard
Speaker 2: from people that's a pretty crazy experience if you're able
Speaker 2: to get into it.
Speaker 5: Well, that's the thing. Like I feel like all these
Speaker 5: different things they use on us, we're to like some people,
Speaker 5: everyone's a different learner, everyone's probably gonna be different treatment, right, So.
Speaker 2: It's kind of interesting stuff on veterans.
Speaker 5: Typically it is open to the public, but like it's
Speaker 5: obviously like there's programs specific to us, and and it
Speaker 5: was so we would do all these different types of things,
Speaker 5: everything down to like even massage and occupantsure, right, So
Speaker 5: like even for the doctors to sell it to our
Speaker 5: case managers that we have to utilize to do anything
Speaker 5: when we're dealing with affections fares, like they're reading this like, oh,
Speaker 5: we're going to send you to a resort for twenty
Speaker 5: five thousand dollars like no, neat a dick, and then
Speaker 5: you're like, that's not what it is.
Speaker 7: So then you have to like.
Speaker 5: If they're not familiar with the program which they are sponsoring,
Speaker 5: which is the weird part. You have to fight for
Speaker 5: something they've sponsored. I always found it a little bit odd.
Speaker 5: But regardless of that, we go up there, finally get
Speaker 5: it approved and like it's well done, Like I can't say,
Speaker 5: I can't say enough of the presentation and is like
Speaker 5: you get there, you're not even not to move your bags,
Speaker 5: like it's it's almost uncomfortable where they're like take your
Speaker 5: bag away from you.
Speaker 7: You can't.
Speaker 5: They'll carry to your room like these tiny little women,
Speaker 5: right like imagine this military guy like you're carrying no,
Speaker 5: and they're like relax, You're here to relax.
Speaker 7: So it's very that was a heard adjustment.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'm sure that's yeah, that's a good point. Actually,
Speaker 2: normal people don't thinking about that stuff.
Speaker 5: Oh it's from one of the things and we're all
Speaker 5: on edge, right, because like there's other veterans there, right,
Speaker 5: so you're all like, like, what you here for?
Speaker 7: What are you here for? What are you going to?
Speaker 5: Like because because we all know, because there is no
Speaker 5: brotherhood really, like everyone's a blade as a military. Somebody's
Speaker 5: a blade. Oh what do you know abouting? What are
Speaker 5: you here for? Or is my PGC? Listen, here's an
Speaker 5: x y Z rate not understanding at the end of it, Like,
Speaker 5: at the very end of the day, all trauma, regardless
Speaker 5: if it's combat related.
Speaker 7: Or abuse related or a combination of everything.
Speaker 5: The needle hole you got to go through to get
Speaker 5: out of the military is the exact same, right, So
Speaker 5: trauma's trauma's trauma, right. You got to go through the
Speaker 5: same exacerbating circumstances to FX props. And that's one of
Speaker 5: the things we had kind of resolved when we were
Speaker 5: up there amongst the other veterans. But then he would
Speaker 5: go into what they call ceremony where you going to
Speaker 5: this like geometric dome and uh, which is funny because
Speaker 5: like I did a mushroom trip in April when I
Speaker 5: was like ready to die, and I had drawn drawn
Speaker 5: the dome. Then not even knowing I was going to Dimensions.
Speaker 5: Never have I seen it. I think I did send
Speaker 5: you other photos.
Speaker 2: Of Yeah, I just I just had to pull up
Speaker 2: and keep talking them.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but yeah, Like that was the strangest thing, right
Speaker 5: because I had a six point one mushroom Graham had
Speaker 5: my eco death, and then the next day do this
Speaker 5: thing and then suddenly I'm at and that was the
Speaker 5: first night the Northern lights that came up, so I
Speaker 5: was really chaired.
Speaker 7: And balls and then.
Speaker 2: Experience though.
Speaker 5: Man, I looked at my girlfriend, I'm like, the raptures
Speaker 5: happening and we missed it. Like that's how bad it went.
Speaker 5: And I just went break down in the rabbit hole
Speaker 5: of ego death after that. And it was brutal, brutal.
Speaker 5: And then three months later I'm at the same place.
Speaker 5: And if you look at some of the pictures I've
Speaker 5: sent in you about Dimensions where the dome is there,
Speaker 5: like compare them, that's the exact same triangles and everything,
Speaker 5: and that's what ceremony was. So so what would happen
Speaker 5: is like you go up there and they it's it's
Speaker 5: they call it the plant medicine, which is just dope.
Speaker 5: And they got that there's this like little weed shock,
Speaker 5: like probably like twenty minutes up the road. They probably
Speaker 5: likeabybe you'll look on my maybe I don't know, but
Speaker 5: you go there and you buy your own weed because
Speaker 5: they can't prescribe it because they're not doctors.
Speaker 2: They're hYP most therapy or wherever they are.
Speaker 5: Right, but you bring your own weed and then which
Speaker 5: is kind of good because it proves it's not waste too, right,
Speaker 5: and then they would show you how to utilize right,
Speaker 5: you would take your different blends, mix it together, and
Speaker 5: then this is the weed that you need to vaporize
Speaker 5: to get into trance or ceremony. So you know, on
Speaker 5: vapor vaporizing this thing, and this isn't going to do anything.
Speaker 5: When I take I take my thc pen. It's my
Speaker 5: actual tac I listen right.
Speaker 7: Here, and I just took a big riper on that.
Speaker 5: I was like, I know this will work, and I
Speaker 5: hit that thing and as soon as I had like
Speaker 5: had finished my coughing fit, I fell to the floor.
Speaker 2: How big of a did you take? Because I've heard
Speaker 2: I took a big rip.
Speaker 7: I took a really big rep.
Speaker 5: I was like, I'm not even high, and I'm like
Speaker 5: we doesn't get me high, so this is like going
Speaker 5: to be a waste of the government time, right, Like
Speaker 5: I was trying to give it the benefit of the doubt, right,
Speaker 5: But I'm like, I have.
Speaker 7: To get high.
Speaker 5: So I did and then bam right through the floor.
Speaker 5: And then the dramas started, and then I went on
Speaker 5: this little quest, right, and then I kind of that's
Speaker 5: when I started piecing together that patterns where the native
Speaker 5: patterns and and everything that I was seeing was like
Speaker 5: Manyan stuff and checkerboards and like all of these weird things.
Speaker 5: And then I saw these eyeballs and triangles floating around
Speaker 5: with feathers and I'm looking semaphone.
Speaker 7: I'm like, that is that the chair of them?
Speaker 5: Like? And it was weird because back in April, when
Speaker 5: I was around my mom, she handed me like a
Speaker 5: thing on his heels, whel she goes, remember you were
Speaker 5: telling me about angels. I didn't believe you. Look, and
Speaker 5: she sent me the chat part of Ezekiel's Wheel and
Speaker 5: Book of Ezekiel, and I had seen what Ezekiel had
Speaker 5: almost described, except it was on a bunch of wheels
Speaker 5: with them wheels.
Speaker 7: It was just like an eyeball with.
Speaker 5: A triangle with a couple of wings float around it,
Speaker 5: and that's in the drawing that I that I had
Speaker 5: drawn like three months prior. And I came out of
Speaker 5: it and that's when I realized, and I just got
Speaker 5: gone back in my life right, and I put a
Speaker 5: crucifix back on before I went, like my girlfriend gave
Speaker 5: it to me, and then I go up there and
Speaker 5: then everything just talking like like the thirteen years where
Speaker 5: Christ went, all of these techniques that they've been using,
Speaker 5: it all just kind of converged.
Speaker 7: I don't know what to do about this.
Speaker 5: And I was clutching my crucifix as I came running
Speaker 5: at it, like when I was.
Speaker 7: In my trance. I come out.
Speaker 5: Everyone's over top of me, smudging, going are you okay?
Speaker 5: And I'm ugly crying. I don't know what to do
Speaker 5: about this. And I looked at everybody and I said,
Speaker 5: tell me right now, what I just happened and those
Speaker 5: things I saw are real and they all confirmed it,
Speaker 5: and I was like, I need to break and I
Speaker 5: and I fucked off and this is this is This
Speaker 5: was like the retreat and that was like session two.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've seen those eyes on mushrooms and it's fucking
Speaker 2: freaky yeah man.
Speaker 5: And and then uh it it got even more in depth,
Speaker 5: like on the third one, like I just more stuff
Speaker 5: to start a piecing together because they like it was
Speaker 5: it was like every four days, so like you would
Speaker 5: have four days of preparation or every three days.
Speaker 7: However the schedule worked and.
Speaker 2: Your body builds a tolerance to psychedelics.
Speaker 5: Plus they would like feature like a specific diet where
Speaker 5: it would be like you know, dandylion tea with like
Speaker 5: vegan something kind of like a fasting food to bring
Speaker 5: you up there. And then so you would go in
Speaker 5: like on the third session, like and they're handing out
Speaker 5: tarot cards like oracle cards is what they call them,
Speaker 5: and they're like pick one, and then this is gonna
Speaker 5: go with your intention. You're like for real, like this
Speaker 5: is what the government spent twenty five hundred dollars a
Speaker 5: day on, Like okay, whatever.
Speaker 7: Playing taro and we go do this and then.
Speaker 5: Yeah, like that was such a such a strange experience,
Speaker 5: like and I don't I don't know what to take
Speaker 5: from it because I went in with the intention of
Speaker 5: what I just want the truth?
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, and I want to know where I belong.
Speaker 2: Well it's like you have to have at least you
Speaker 2: had an idea of kind of like what your intention was,
Speaker 2: because when I started using mushrooms, I didn't really know
Speaker 2: what I like, I wanted to help my head in
Speaker 2: some way. I felt good and happy, especially when they
Speaker 2: start kicking in, because it can suck at the beginning,
Speaker 2: but I wanted eventually, I wanted to want something out
Speaker 2: of it, and tried using things like I wish I
Speaker 2: did other techniques and eventually hopefully will. But I would
Speaker 2: listen to Alan Watts and then try to like think
Speaker 2: about some and then I ended up having weird experiences
Speaker 2: like hearing my aunt say my name and she's been dead,
Speaker 2: thinking about my dead aunt and uncle and then my
Speaker 2: grandparents and shit, and they all die.
Speaker 5: And that's that's what they were trying to do, well,
Speaker 5: And that's exactly what they're trying to do, right, because
Speaker 5: they can you can get a trance going, right Like
Speaker 5: that's like with the breathing techniques. If you did if
Speaker 5: you did the breathing techniques that I sent you, like
Speaker 5: that's what they had us do, you can get to
Speaker 5: fractals just with that, right, like we were supposed to
Speaker 5: do a sweat and that like these are other ways
Speaker 5: to bring it into whatever this dimension is, because they're
Speaker 5: obviously tracking it like something's going on with it. Because
Speaker 5: even even with what we did, like with the with
Speaker 5: the bio sound and everything else, like it's it's Project Gayway.
Speaker 5: It's one hundred percent Project Gayway. If you ever look
Speaker 5: into that type of stuff, it's with the Hemi Synk program.
Speaker 5: And you know, they're telling you like they confirmed like
Speaker 5: we're talking to entities, Like.
Speaker 7: How how do I go back?
Speaker 5: That's you know what I mean, how do I go
Speaker 5: back to my veterans affairs of IZ and go how
Speaker 5: was it?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 5: They told me that entities are real or whatever I've
Speaker 5: seen and I have intuitions now that are coming NonStop.
Speaker 7: And then you just and it's verbati and it's the
Speaker 7: same program.
Speaker 2: Well, look at what they've done with like okay, mk
Speaker 2: ultra and stuff that was in uh actually in Quebec
Speaker 2: at an institution too, so like it's pretty weird. And
Speaker 2: considering what they did with acid to the soldiers with
Speaker 2: actually want to cover this at some point I think
Speaker 2: Edgewoods where they were like essentially giving them drugs and
Speaker 2: stuff like that and acid they even did this to
Speaker 2: a whole little city in New York. I'm pretty sure
Speaker 2: they put acid in the water and stuff. So they've
Speaker 2: always done this where they've used military guys essentially to
Speaker 2: experiment on well, you know, like I don't like video
Speaker 2: footage rabbit.
Speaker 5: Hole, Like like I'm just having fun here, But like,
Speaker 5: wouldn't it be something else if they just go, you
Speaker 5: know what, we can get free research out of this company.
Speaker 5: Let's let them make bank off of it, and we'll
Speaker 5: just give us the research at the end once they
Speaker 5: hit a thousand people to get the results, right, Like,
Speaker 5: like there there are companies right now in the United
Speaker 5: States that are trying to slow drip DMT to people
Speaker 5: to track to map the to map the DMT realm.
Speaker 7: Like whatever it is on the other side is real.
Speaker 7: Like it's weird when I done.
Speaker 5: DMT, Like DMT last ten minutes, right, Like it's ten
Speaker 5: to twenty minutes depending on the doses you take up
Speaker 5: to fifty milligrams, right, But like it's better.
Speaker 7: It's much better to chew the DMT. If I'm not
Speaker 7: promoting that you do it.
Speaker 5: But it's better to do DMT than it is to
Speaker 5: do mushrooms because mushrooms is like eight hours and you
Speaker 5: know what the hell.
Speaker 7: You're gonna get, Well, it's like five, it's going to go.
Speaker 5: Here's an introduction, like you get what you get, but
Speaker 5: it doesn't last long. It might feel like it lasts forever,
Speaker 5: but it's like ten minutes and it's not.
Speaker 2: I've heard videos. I always bring this up because I remember,
Speaker 2: like I went through this rabbit hole of listening to
Speaker 2: like comedians and when I wouldn't say famous people, uh,
Speaker 2: but people that are like online comedians. Some rapper or
Speaker 2: whatever had a horrible name, and they were telling their
Speaker 2: stories about their like DMT trips and this I think
Speaker 2: the guy's like his name young Gravy, some like ridiculous,
Speaker 2: and he's saying how he did DMT and he like
Speaker 2: essentially traveled to like another universe and was living in
Speaker 2: a different reality where he was working at like a
Speaker 2: restaurant with a girlfriend that was his like an alien girlfriend.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 2: And he said he lived there for three years and
Speaker 2: then came back house like and there's some crazier ones, man,
Speaker 2: where people were doing this stuff when they're like out
Speaker 2: and about Oh I.
Speaker 5: Don't I don't even and that's we're good dangerous and
Speaker 5: that's why, like I don't promote it because if people
Speaker 5: are irresponsible using it, going to like a grun show,
Speaker 5: like good fucking luck, Like that's not gonna be good
Speaker 5: for you, right like even if you have a bad trip,
Speaker 5: like if there's a reason behind.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't want to go see a metal show high
Speaker 2: on mushrooms. I feel like you look around like everybody's angry.
Speaker 5: Everybody's gonna kill me or the rabbits are gonna eat me,
Speaker 5: like it's and especially if you go into an ego death,
Speaker 5: like if you take an out there, you have an
Speaker 5: ego death, like you're useless, you're completely that is the
Speaker 5: most terrible, do you think?
Speaker 2: Yeah, wells I was to say, do you think that?
Speaker 2: Like because I was trying to achieve at one point
Speaker 2: and then someone one of the co says no longer
Speaker 2: on the show, said like did you are you sure
Speaker 2: you want that? Like you don't need that. It's not
Speaker 2: a good thing and stuff like that, because if you
Speaker 2: it can change you for.
Speaker 5: Like ever, it all depends on what you're looking for,
Speaker 5: right like, and yeah, you're right, like some of it
Speaker 5: could profoundly destroy like like it feels like you're in
Speaker 5: a void of of dread. Like if anything I could
Speaker 5: it just you're stuck in a void of dread and
Speaker 5: you don't know why because because you don't your your
Speaker 5: ego's out there to defend you, like you're exposed, like
Speaker 5: you're as naked as naked could be.
Speaker 7: It would be like the best way to describe it.
Speaker 7: It's like here's your ship.
Speaker 5: Deal with it, Like if you don't have shit to
Speaker 5: deal with, then what what is your intention that you're
Speaker 5: going in with? Right? And that's where I can understand
Speaker 5: what dimensions was doing the right thing with the spiritual side,
Speaker 5: like if you're using it properly, then someone and so forth.
Speaker 5: But this was just with with plant plant medicine, not
Speaker 5: mushrooms or DMT or anything. This is just plant medicine, man.
Speaker 2: And they were putting like they're dude, give them soldiers
Speaker 2: think meth. There's like videos at Edgewoods and there's like
Speaker 2: dudes are like they're getting to like do like tracks
Speaker 2: and stuff like that. I don't know, do whatever how
Speaker 2: many laps or like one hundred meter dash or something
Speaker 2: like that. And there are guys are like hopped up
Speaker 2: like crazy, like they're like revved up, probably on all
Speaker 2: sorts of ephetamines or whatever they were giving them, and
Speaker 2: it's like crazy and their experimental.
Speaker 5: Body has just come out of edge Would for treatment actually,
Speaker 5: like that's still around run Yeah. Yeah, there's a bunch
Speaker 5: of different facilities park Would being connected to the Dimensions program, right, So,
Speaker 5: like I was a idea.
Speaker 2: In this episode because thinking about that type of shit
Speaker 2: of what they can do to manipulate your thoughts when
Speaker 2: you're on certain drugs and just some of the things
Speaker 2: I felt on even mushrooms where it's like it's like
Speaker 2: sometimes it's really good, but there's been times where I
Speaker 2: felt like extremely anxious and paranoid, like crazy, where it's
Speaker 2: like almost gonna give me a heart attack.
Speaker 5: It feels like, well, you know, like I'll just read
Speaker 5: this out to you, like it this is. This is
Speaker 5: exactly what's happening to me currently since I've left. To mention,
Speaker 5: its like you've seen the amount of research I've done
Speaker 5: in a two month time frame, Like, yeah, it's crazy.
Speaker 7: It looks like somebody's done like two years worth the
Speaker 7: master's work.
Speaker 2: And like what's that movie Beautiful Mind? You got all
Speaker 2: these things like around the room.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I had a doctor actually told me that when
Speaker 7: I was uh, I was in.
Speaker 5: I actually from this whole process, I ended up getting
Speaker 5: myself formed, right, because I was like, something's not right.
Speaker 5: I'm getting I'm receiving far too much stuff. And I
Speaker 5: had myself formed and I went in for three days
Speaker 5: and the doctor's like, have you seen a beautiful mind?
Speaker 5: That's how that's how things are working. That was the
Speaker 5: treatment help that I got before I got released.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 5: So, so like now I have no trust because they
Speaker 5: denied me because I'm supposed to do these integration sessions
Speaker 5: for like forty five weeks after the fact.
Speaker 7: They denied me to go see it. And I went
Speaker 7: in there to tell them about this.
Speaker 5: Program and they're like, you're lying new sound schizophrenic AC
Speaker 5: blah blah blah. I'm like, all you need to do
Speaker 5: is literally give me my cell phone and let me
Speaker 5: have my Facebook call with them and sit in and listen.
Speaker 7: Yeah, denied me that.
Speaker 2: Because doctors don't want they don't want to Well.
Speaker 7: Well that's the thing.
Speaker 5: They called my social worker and they called my spouse
Speaker 5: and asked me and they both said, yes, he has
Speaker 5: these appointments, and they denied me of it.
Speaker 7: Because they thought I was lying. So like they.
Speaker 2: Are liars a lot of the times. They're all getting
Speaker 2: paid and stuff too. And that's what people don't are saying,
Speaker 2: especially in a place like Canada. All these doctors are
Speaker 2: being paid to push this stuff, push free healthcare.
Speaker 5: This is what you get for your free health care.
Speaker 5: You're you're a guinea pig. Nothing's free, right if if
Speaker 5: something's free of the product, that's what they always tell you, right,
Speaker 5: and certainly the truth. And that's probably the same thing
Speaker 5: that's going on.
Speaker 2: Well in our taxes we pa certain number of taxes
Speaker 2: for it to be clocked up by new people and
Speaker 2: all sorts of ship and and versus that they fired
Speaker 2: and and all that. Right, So it is what it is.
Speaker 2: Like I'm not a fan of the direction that this
Speaker 2: country is going, you know. And it is crazy that
Speaker 2: the doctors they don't care.
Speaker 5: They never can't well, and that's the thing, right unless
Speaker 5: it's a political tool, nobody's doing anything about it. And
Speaker 5: and like like even even right here, like this is
Speaker 5: this is actually a very concerning thing.
Speaker 7: That's that's what the uh.
Speaker 5: The project Gateway thing that's which not yeah pro gayway
Speaker 5: thing that lines up.
Speaker 2: With isn't that where they're they were trying to like
Speaker 2: use clairvoyant.
Speaker 7: Yeah, well the men that Sarah goes it's this, it's
Speaker 7: actually okay.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why I thought. That's why I thought we
Speaker 2: actually haven't covered there probably well at some point because
Speaker 2: that sh it's crazy. Uh, And they're just like we did.
Speaker 2: We did an episode about how they're trying to train
Speaker 2: soldiers how to choose GENI mind tricks like legit.
Speaker 5: Well, if you go on if you on the sta
Speaker 5: A website, it's all there, like this is just released
Speaker 5: like as COVID was.
Speaker 7: Coming out.
Speaker 2: Analysis and assessment of Wow, that's nice. Wow.
Speaker 7: It talks right in here, like right here, this is
Speaker 7: this is the most concerning.
Speaker 5: The energy balloon and this is just something they talk
Speaker 5: about which is kind of like the frequency things within
Speaker 5: your brain.
Speaker 7: This is a big document, but.
Speaker 5: Long story short, it says right here it not only
Speaker 5: enhances the body energy to flow and encourages an early
Speaker 5: achievement of suitable resonant state, but it also is designed
Speaker 5: to provide protection against conscious entities possessing lower energy levels,
Speaker 5: which the participant may encounter in the event the achievement.
Speaker 7: Out of body state.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is this is it?
Speaker 7: That's on page nineteen. That's on page at the bottom
Speaker 7: of page nineteen.
Speaker 2: This is wild. How long realistically they were really looking
Speaker 2: into this stuff.
Speaker 8: You know, if the pages and if you look right
Speaker 8: into right into the dimensions thing, it says very much
Speaker 8: the same you want to reactivate, things are going to
Speaker 8: keep flowing as time comes on with your intentions and
Speaker 8: X y Z.
Speaker 7: It's the same protocol. It's the exact same protocol.
Speaker 2: It's weird.
Speaker 5: And I even asked the guy there. I was like,
Speaker 5: why do you have Project Gateway stuff? He was what
Speaker 5: are you talking about? And I was like, this is
Speaker 5: You can't tell me this is the Project Gateway And
Speaker 5: his response is why I've heard of it. I'm like,
Speaker 5: come on, man, if you're doing you're in thet you're
Speaker 5: in like the medicine of the mind, and you know
Speaker 5: what this is. But you've heard of it. Come on,
Speaker 5: you're running the same program. Just tell me the truth.
Speaker 2: That's crazy. It is wild, But what they you know?
Speaker 2: And I don't know if this is I feel like
Speaker 2: someone else told me this too. It might be it
Speaker 2: might have been you, but like someone else also mentioned
Speaker 2: how they were essentially using people.
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Speaker 2: Or to like get into these realms and figure out
Speaker 2: like what the DMT realms are. And that's the craziest
Speaker 2: shit that obviously that they did that with acid and
Speaker 2: like different drugs is how people were to react. But
Speaker 2: now they know that there's like an alternate dimension in
Speaker 2: DMT is at least the quickest fastest way to get
Speaker 2: to wherever that is.
Speaker 5: Well, and that's just the thing, Like we're treating people
Speaker 5: for for for PTSD with this stuff now and it's
Speaker 5: working right because I don't give a shit what happened
Speaker 5: to me in the past now because now I have
Speaker 5: a whole other can of worms, right because now I'm
Speaker 5: awake it's so to speak, right, and it's just it's
Speaker 5: just one of those things like why.
Speaker 7: What is this treatment for? Like why is it being
Speaker 7: utilized this way? What are we mapping like? And then
Speaker 7: it's just so on and so forth.
Speaker 5: The rabbit hole goes right, and this is I'm just
Speaker 5: I'm just a dumb fireman who you know, got out
Speaker 5: of the military and on unfortunate circumstances and here we
Speaker 5: are going down this craziness. Yeah, that's that's the drawing
Speaker 5: that I drew when when the Fractals opened up up
Speaker 5: the dimensions program.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, And now what was bringing it up?
Speaker 7: So there's the night the aurora showed up over my
Speaker 7: house and that it was tripping balls.
Speaker 2: I'd be crazy to see at that late.
Speaker 7: Well, they were better than I'd ever seen them. In
Speaker 7: the north. There it is. There's the dome with all
Speaker 7: the all the triangles and stuff.
Speaker 5: We'd sitting there and do our ceremonies and then we
Speaker 5: would talk about it.
Speaker 2: And it's some guy and like a like a cloth
Speaker 2: diaper hit that Gong'll be big old gong show man.
Speaker 2: I've always wanted the gong, but I think it would
Speaker 2: be wild just to have in your room. I feel
Speaker 2: like I've entered and just like smack it. That'd be sick.
Speaker 2: I gotta get one now.
Speaker 5: I won't confirm or deny if anybody did that or
Speaker 5: not while we were there, But.
Speaker 2: So funny, man, I have a man. If you've listened
Speaker 2: to the show, you know I have a weird, dark
Speaker 2: sense of humor about things.
Speaker 7: Oh don't we all man trippy?
Speaker 2: So they have like things. So for everybody listening where
Speaker 2: he's just like, because this is the where the ceremonies
Speaker 2: were taking place and stuff, right.
Speaker 7: More or less it's in the dome.
Speaker 2: It's weird. I guess it would make sense because you
Speaker 2: want to be I've seen this with ayahuasca.
Speaker 5: Like that spot and the dome throws the most sound, right,
Speaker 5: so like the closer you are to the sound with
Speaker 5: your head towards it, like the most you're to absorb
Speaker 5: from whatever's happening within there. Right.
Speaker 7: That's that's my every day.
Speaker 2: That's funny. I saw more of it. Let's see if
Speaker 2: I can. It's not showing up the way I wanted to.
Speaker 7: That's what I drew.
Speaker 5: Like the first night on Frockles, that was my first night.
Speaker 5: We sit there and we draw we saw them. I
Speaker 5: was like, okay, I saw that with frackle, like that's
Speaker 5: all I got to. And then night two when they
Speaker 5: were too.
Speaker 7: Like ugly crying about God.
Speaker 5: And then night three it was like damn. And then
Speaker 5: there's a video they showed us that was like this
Speaker 5: great reveal and I broke down just some of the
Speaker 5: weird events this year, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's weird. I watched this with my own eyes,
Speaker 2: like I didn't put anything on over you. Yeah, it
Speaker 2: was crazy. I saw it all take form, and I
Speaker 2: was like, I don't know how it made me feel
Speaker 2: keV way. I don't know.
Speaker 5: I think we got like ninety percent of the corona
Speaker 5: down where we're at. But like the time you drop alone.
Speaker 2: I've always wanted I've always wanted a like a what's
Speaker 2: that called, like a helmet, but like a medieval.
Speaker 7: Helmet also as you one.
Speaker 2: So I love that ship. I was actually looking at them.
Speaker 2: That's awesome.
Speaker 5: So there's there's there's my fuelure I us they live
Speaker 5: around my house.
Speaker 7: That's kind of what started this trip.
Speaker 5: Like my rabbits were killed and the day like I
Speaker 5: I served in mushrooms, like what's the day my rabbit
Speaker 5: side in the neighborhood.
Speaker 7: Cat that's crazy.
Speaker 5: So like the mushroom order showed up and then it
Speaker 5: was like white rabbit mushrooms, and that's something that I
Speaker 5: cursed the universe.
Speaker 7: I was like, well, I guess I'll see what the
Speaker 7: universe wants.
Speaker 2: And that's interesting because I feel like life shows you
Speaker 2: things when it needs to, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: Well, I no longer believe in coincidences, Like that's the
Speaker 5: thing since to mention is like the coincidence is no
Speaker 5: longer matter and everything does happen for a reason like
Speaker 5: that's that is intuitional stuff that they talk about in
Speaker 5: the end.
Speaker 2: I've always thought that.
Speaker 5: I don't know if it's better or bad, right, like,
Speaker 5: but something was tapped into once we all.
Speaker 7: Went up there, right like it be the pioneal gland
Speaker 7: through weed or otherwise.
Speaker 5: But like I had a more experience up there with
Speaker 5: marijuana than I had on d MT.
Speaker 2: That's so crazy. It was a wild I mean, it's
Speaker 2: something I'm not a fan of anymore. Like a little
Speaker 2: bit I'm fine with, but like I've done some pretty
Speaker 2: strong edibles. It is not fun.
Speaker 5: But that's the thing, right, Like this is this is
Speaker 5: at least if they're if they're supplying you the weed,
Speaker 5: they should be.
Speaker 7: At least telling how to use it, right.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Unfortunately a lot of us specimens are kind of
Speaker 5: left on our own once like that two year mark.
Speaker 7: Is up where we're kind of left holding the bag.
Speaker 7: We're helping each other.
Speaker 5: Out because that's how I found out about to mention
Speaker 5: another metor there it is.
Speaker 2: There's that drama weird we.
Speaker 7: Got in April. April.
Speaker 2: Man, So you're standing up at it and just like looking.
Speaker 5: Yep, I have no idea why you're what it came
Speaker 5: to Like when I when I was on those mushrooms,
Speaker 5: say channeled apparently, and I guess my head cocked backed
Speaker 5: after me to.
Speaker 7: Go death, and I started saying, God is real. God
Speaker 7: is real. God is real, and I fucking started drawing.
Speaker 5: And then that was the thing that came out of it,
Speaker 5: like that and a few other drawings weird.
Speaker 2: I haven't. I've I've wrote a song in mushrooms. I
Speaker 2: don't if that's good idea, but I've I've never drawn anything,
Speaker 2: but I've had like a friend, I'll never forget this one.
Speaker 2: My friend's brothers just have mushrooms and he drew a vagina,
Speaker 2: but then if you're on it inside it was an
Speaker 2: eye looking into itself and stuff. It was like fucked
Speaker 2: and he like, drew it's pretty good. And he was
Speaker 2: like just high shitout mushrooms, drawing the weirdest shit. And
Speaker 2: we're like, man, because we were not it were like
Speaker 2: that looks like a weird time.
Speaker 5: Man. Well, well, you know sometimes like when when you're drawing,
Speaker 5: like like some of the.
Speaker 7: Times I was even dry, I was strong in the dark.
Speaker 5: I was on the control of my hands, like my
Speaker 5: buddy was there even so goes this is drippy.
Speaker 2: That's interesting because I've I've drawn for a lot of
Speaker 2: my life too, like some of my tattoos, I've tried
Speaker 2: to draw up and stuff like that, you know, And
Speaker 2: I've always been very artistic that way. My brain's always
Speaker 2: been music, art, all that stuff. It's it's right brain
Speaker 2: or whatever. But it is kind of interesting because to
Speaker 2: do stuff like that on the states of mind. I
Speaker 2: always found that my best rhymes came out when I
Speaker 2: was like drunk, which sounds weird, but like or even
Speaker 2: kind of a little buzzed, especially freestyling for some reason,
Speaker 2: like my friends can say that like it's when I'm
Speaker 2: like drunk and they get me going. We get like
Speaker 2: me and Billy used to get really into it where
Speaker 2: we'd be like dissing each other or joking around or whatever,
Speaker 2: just for fun. And under the different states of consciousness,
Speaker 2: your brain works differently and it pulls different things out
Speaker 2: from the ether. And like, I think alcohol is not
Speaker 2: a great thing. I think it's like a depressant, but uh,
Speaker 2: it's interesting the number one Yeah, it's terrible, and we
Speaker 2: push it so much in this country. Uh that no
Speaker 2: wonder why there so many people drinking themselves to death,
Speaker 2: because it's like our number one priority, like get alcohol
Speaker 2: out more and put it in more stories. We want
Speaker 2: Canadians drunk and lethargic and hi on weed. And it's
Speaker 2: I think it's thing. It's I do think even though
Speaker 2: I've partaking it, I think it's part of that like
Speaker 2: dumbing down.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, it's.
Speaker 2: So crazy, man, and then using that to like try
Speaker 2: to like battle your own ship. But you can grab
Speaker 2: things out from even that. And I found it interesting
Speaker 2: that like even Elizabeth April, she kind of said, like
Speaker 2: you know, you can take something like a down or whatever,
Speaker 2: an alcohol and kind of bless it and like thank
Speaker 2: you for this or whatever, and then I make it
Speaker 2: uplifting it because I'm a happy, fun drunk usually. But
Speaker 2: I've seen people that have turned into like nicest people
Speaker 2: and they turn the demons where they're like, it's not
Speaker 2: the same person.
Speaker 7: And that's the thing with this curiate because it's it's orderline.
Speaker 7: It's either it's a.
Speaker 5: Spiritual ceremony or it's borderlining Witchcraft, Like exactly what it is, right,
Speaker 5: you do you do a gratitude over top of your thing,
Speaker 5: you put out in an attention like if you look
Speaker 5: at some of their old Witschcraft books, that's what it is, right, Yeah,
Speaker 5: and even and even one of the one of these
Speaker 5: sound therapies they gave us was called Healing the Inner Child.
Speaker 5: And I just happened to be in a witch bookstore
Speaker 5: one day and I looked around. I was like, what's
Speaker 5: in hearing? It's like a book of spells. This is
Speaker 5: oh the inner child healing me in her child. I'm like,
Speaker 5: that's what you're so what the fuck is this? So
Speaker 5: like this is literally like what's in my program? Yeah,
Speaker 5: but you and they're doing gratitudes and we're talking about
Speaker 5: spirits and ancestry.
Speaker 7: It's all the same.
Speaker 2: I don't know necessarily thing bad. I think that people
Speaker 2: saw the people healing people with like her meticism and
Speaker 2: these like ancient techniques that the religious folk, especially at
Speaker 2: that time, freaked out. And that's why I'm saying I'm
Speaker 2: not like and that there is there's a lot of
Speaker 2: people like there's people like Brendon Crawle does this where
Speaker 2: he doesn't like the New Age stuff and the occult
Speaker 2: or any of that stuff and thinks it's all witchcraft
Speaker 2: and dangerous and God would not like that. No, no, bad,
Speaker 2: don't do that. Well, yeah, that's that's it was part
Speaker 2: of it. But the thing is too like I don't
Speaker 2: necessarily see it as a terrible thing, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean. I think it's a way of calling out
Speaker 2: to the ether and if you're able to get, uh
Speaker 2: something that is positive. Obviously a lot of times you
Speaker 2: used to play I used to use the Weiji board.
Speaker 2: Most times we were talking to something that we probably
Speaker 2: didn't know what it was or God knows what was
Speaker 2: coming through telling us. It was like Harold A. Diani
Speaker 2: or one of our grandfathers or whatever it might be. Right, Uh,
Speaker 2: But I don't necessarily I think you can still. I
Speaker 2: think you can use those type of practices like chaos
Speaker 2: magic and some of those and more right hand path magic,
Speaker 2: uh to do things that are good and and not
Speaker 2: invoke karma or bad intention. Religion is the same in
Speaker 2: my idea. It's the same thing as religion, where it's
Speaker 2: like you're you're not incredibly sure like that this is
Speaker 2: a real thing. No one can tell me that they're
Speaker 2: really they just believe it. They've seen Jesus and all
Speaker 2: these stuff. You can't like unless I've seen it and
Speaker 2: I've had proof of it. A lot of people like
Speaker 2: I've seen weird shit and they think I'm crazy, right
Speaker 2: because I've seen shadow people and stuff. But it's the
Speaker 2: same idea of like putting faith into something that you're
Speaker 2: not entirely sure even exists.
Speaker 7: Well, and and that's everything.
Speaker 5: Everything just at the end of the day becomes a
Speaker 5: very big leap of faith too, even when it comes
Speaker 5: down to this drug, right, Like they're even these practices right,
Speaker 5: there's a way to do it, and even even using
Speaker 5: like these institutions that they don't that right, Like you
Speaker 5: were very much correct when you did like some sort
Speaker 5: of psychedelic or whatever that you've done in the past,
Speaker 5: and you've kind of been a better writer, a better songwriter.
Speaker 5: It's very much the same with this stuff. The problem
Speaker 5: is like whatever happened to me up there still hasn't
Speaker 5: shut off. So that's the danger fratic and stuff, and no,
Speaker 5: I'm not kidding frocks. I would describe them as what
Speaker 5: you would call intuitions, right, Like it's just like if
Speaker 5: I think something's like up where it's almost like game theory,
Speaker 5: right like five D chests, Like if I would just think, Okay,
Speaker 5: this is what the next move would be.
Speaker 2: If I were playing, that's interesting. Normally what might happen,
Speaker 2: like you're still connected. There's there's weird times I was
Speaker 2: doing mushrooms a lot. It would be like days after
Speaker 2: and especially in the summer, I would look at the
Speaker 2: grass and see the same sort of like uh almost
Speaker 2: it was weird and I was like, now that's just
Speaker 2: my eyes playing tricks on me or something like that,
Speaker 2: Like I don't know. I just would explain it away
Speaker 2: or try to because it would be some always like
Speaker 2: two weeks later and I would still see like the
Speaker 2: grass would look kind of the same as it did
Speaker 2: when I was on Mushrooms.
Speaker 5: Go Go book on page nineteen on that document, right,
Speaker 5: It's it's all about that intuition that says even in there,
Speaker 5: like it's going to keep.
Speaker 7: Coming more and more and more and more and more
Speaker 7: and more rapidly.
Speaker 5: Right, It's just sometimes it shuts off, like whatever happened
Speaker 5: up there, it hasn't shut off for me.
Speaker 2: We could cover Project Gayway at some point, because that
Speaker 2: would be wild if you want to get into it.
Speaker 2: But it is like it's kind of crazy. How uh
Speaker 2: you know they've always wanted to use these things and
Speaker 2: drugs and test them and just to see what happens
Speaker 2: to people, And now they're like it's always been like this.
Speaker 2: I feel like they've been doing this for a long time.
Speaker 2: So the sixties especially if like getting everyone on acid.
Speaker 5: You know that book of Wisdom that's getting promoted all
Speaker 5: over Facebook right now, Like I ended up yet and
Speaker 5: I look through it and I was like, oh, this
Speaker 5: is this is exactly Project Gateway explains a lot of
Speaker 5: this stuff, so like they're all hand in hand, like
Speaker 5: it's all New Age.
Speaker 7: Just getting pumped out in front of everybody.
Speaker 5: It's just it's just weird, how it's just it's coming
Speaker 5: out right, like especially as a treatment like for me,
Speaker 5: like I just it felt good, like I felt great,
Speaker 5: like my PTSD is depletely gone. But now it's just
Speaker 5: like there's bigger problems and I'm starting it's like you
Speaker 5: know what I mean, it's like almost the line where
Speaker 5: things are conspiracy theories, but like who's Alex Jones star
Speaker 5: is like empty right now, Nobody's.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, that's what and that's that's why it's
Speaker 2: led you down this uh, this rabbit hole, I'm sure,
Speaker 2: and that's why it's funny. Wow, there is a ladybug
Speaker 2: right on my light. You can't even see it, but
Speaker 2: she's there.
Speaker 7: I can't see it out there is Yeah.
Speaker 2: That's very weird. Hello ladybug.
Speaker 7: Luck. Someone say that's a good luck chterm. Yeah, I know.
Speaker 2: Some some would say, uh, but like it because I
Speaker 2: I've been down this rabbit hole long time, especially with
Speaker 2: alien stuff. That's like where I first really got interested
Speaker 2: in this stuff at like sixteen seventeen. So it is
Speaker 2: pretty crazy, you know, and I've kind of this whole way.
Speaker 2: That's why I've always been like, you know, I've never
Speaker 2: bought into the religion stuff I do believe in like
Speaker 2: whatever God, I hope there is a benevolent god that
Speaker 2: you know when you look around the world, you do
Speaker 2: see it within people and within nature and stuff like
Speaker 2: that I'm like, someone really intelligent created this whatever it is,
Speaker 2: even if it is a simulation. And that's why I've
Speaker 2: always been that person that questions everything and been like,
Speaker 2: I don't even know. After all this research, and I've
Speaker 2: been doing this since I was at least like sixteen seventeen,
Speaker 2: of like looking into stuff and conspiracies and aliens and
Speaker 2: occult magic and all that stuff, I still don't know.
Speaker 2: That's why I don't like the people that are so sure,
Speaker 2: because there's a lot of people that are like I'm
Speaker 2: I know I'm right, and not saying you are one
Speaker 2: of them. I've talked to people that are like this
Speaker 2: on the show. They're like, I'm I'm really sure, like
Speaker 2: this is what and I'm like, awre you though, how
Speaker 2: can you be that sociure?
Speaker 5: I like to look at all of those texts like
Speaker 5: individually right as teacoats right, like from the Bible all
Speaker 5: the way to like Messa Been Hayman text right, because
Speaker 5: it's truth in everything it's just it's scattered, so you
Speaker 5: have to put it together for yourself, right, because they're
Speaker 5: not going to tell you.
Speaker 7: We all know this. That's how government works today, Like
Speaker 7: it's it's all the same.
Speaker 5: But yeah, you've.
Speaker 2: Been diving down and I think we'll event we're gonna
Speaker 2: eventually get to it, and i'd like to structure it
Speaker 2: the way that you sent it to me. But we've
Speaker 2: you've been going down a pretty deep rap whole, especially recently,
Speaker 2: and we're eventually gonna be talking about this stuff. Like
Speaker 2: this is where we're introducing Troy maybe into the show
Speaker 2: as a recurring guests to kind of really sink ord
Speaker 2: feed into this stuff because it's pretty wild and and
Speaker 2: they'll going back to the Nephilam and then the Reptilian
Speaker 2: connection and some of these low lower astral beings and
Speaker 2: and history. It will be interesting for for people to
Speaker 2: hear and see.
Speaker 7: I certainly hope I'm wrong say.
Speaker 2: That, yeah, because it's uh, it's wild, and I do
Speaker 2: and I you know, eventually we're gonna be covering all
Speaker 2: that stuff anyway, in the Nephalem and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: So it's always interesting, right because like there's people like
Speaker 2: and you that have researched a lot of this stuff
Speaker 2: and looked into a lot of different things. And there's
Speaker 2: tons of people doing that. And uh I'll always love
Speaker 2: my co host Billy because he does not look really
Speaker 2: much at anything. He's working all the time. He's busy.
Speaker 2: He's a busy guy, right, but yeah, he's just like,
Speaker 2: well whatever. And that's why it's funny when he shows
Speaker 2: up the show because he isn't he doesn't know what.
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh well, maybe I'll tell him what we're doing,
Speaker 2: like I were doing Glad the apealogy is like okay,
Speaker 2: and then he doesn't look into it. He doesn't care.
Speaker 2: Uh So it's interesting when talking ABOUTSELFF like the nephilm
Speaker 2: and things to people that are not really aware of
Speaker 2: some of those topics. And that's why I try to
Speaker 2: do it with even the show of like even though
Speaker 2: like people are going like advance knowledge on some shows,
Speaker 2: I want to break down like all the surface level
Speaker 2: stuff at least a conspiracy world before we start going
Speaker 2: down even deeper. That's why, like I waited, y'all, do
Speaker 2: then Aki than the Nephilum and then do these and
Speaker 2: then eventually bring everything together so to speak right.
Speaker 5: Just remember you got to use the Bible. If you're
Speaker 5: going with them, you have to use the Bible. The
Speaker 5: Genesis story r.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why what I would look into this. I
Speaker 2: do think that there is truth within these books that
Speaker 2: I said in all of them, there is, yeah, exactly so.
Speaker 2: And I think there's a ways to read between the
Speaker 2: lines of all this stuff, and there would be interesting conversation.
Speaker 2: Is pretty wild. Is there anything else that you remember,
Speaker 2: at least in that D M T realm that stuck
Speaker 2: out to you that was like just a so people
Speaker 2: understand what it's like to be in that in that environment,
Speaker 2: you could say, I guess.
Speaker 7: It's u it's very much.
Speaker 5: If I could describe it, like I see things in
Speaker 5: in like purples and greens, so like my vision's just
Speaker 5: like whatever those colors probably be when your eyes are closed.
Speaker 5: And uh so I just sit there and everything would
Speaker 5: start moving and once it really would take over, everything
Speaker 5: would almost be like like inception, but with like green
Speaker 5: speed I like, but just moving, but it but it
Speaker 5: looked familiar, like it looked like Mayan but it wasn't.
Speaker 5: But everything would move very inception like as the circle
Speaker 5: would spy.
Speaker 7: Things are breaking.
Speaker 2: That's crazy because Jeremy said that when he did it's
Speaker 2: it was like his hands turned cartoon and shit. And
Speaker 2: he did out of a water pipe, which sounds intense
Speaker 2: because he said it was like sucking in glass. And
Speaker 2: then it's like you started seeing himself change. And I've
Speaker 2: heard that for a lot of people, and uh that
Speaker 2: and then the second time you do, if you do
Speaker 2: too much, you don't want to do it again, at
Speaker 2: least for a long time. So if you're able to
Speaker 2: do a little increments, right, And that's what I think
Speaker 2: they're probably using some of these soldiers, veterans whatever to
Speaker 2: do that people the experiment on and have them just
Speaker 2: do a little bit and then maybe break through and
Speaker 2: then come back and break through again.
Speaker 5: And well when I tried it, like I was using
Speaker 5: out of the carts right, just that theose little carts
Speaker 5: you get at the stars, right, like I said, like
Speaker 5: they're everywhere. Like it's that's why I said, like if
Speaker 5: people are using it, just beware what you're doing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, have you broke through you think that's when you
Speaker 2: start seeing absolutely?
Speaker 5: Have I want like I broke through it dimensions Like yeah,
Speaker 5: that was I had an ego death on mushrooms first, yeah,
Speaker 5: like six grams and then and then when I'm up
Speaker 5: to dimensions, I uh, with weed, had a deeper breakthrough
Speaker 5: than I had had with the muscles six grams, and
Speaker 5: that's when I started seeing stuff. And since then, it's
Speaker 5: just kind of like I haven't gone back in since, like.
Speaker 7: Like I'm too scared too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Actually I don't, like I don't know what could happen, right,
Speaker 2: So Jeremy say, he said that he was gonna do
Speaker 2: it another time. His hand was like shaking to the
Speaker 2: pipe and he's I don't think he could do it.
Speaker 2: I think pretty sure he said he couldn't do it
Speaker 2: because he's gonna go through it again.
Speaker 5: And it's like, well, that's the thing, right, if these
Speaker 5: intuitions are in fact true, coming in from entities or
Speaker 5: what have you.
Speaker 7: Like whatever is in this research that's being done.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Like I don't want to know if I pit
Speaker 5: something off. Is it the demon realm or is it
Speaker 5: the nephylon? Right, Like we can go even know that realm,
Speaker 5: like because the Nephilone never died, right.
Speaker 7: Yeah, they talk about they want to take hosts their demons.
Speaker 2: Like whatever you like, And that's what I see, that's
Speaker 2: why I with the reptilia and shit, because it all
Speaker 2: blends into one thing of like the idea that the
Speaker 2: royal family and some of these people or whatever that
Speaker 2: are in charge never really die and they're able to
Speaker 2: supposedly transfer the consciousness into the next bloodline. That's why
Speaker 2: they're like so focused on bloodlines and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: It's because they're able to just keep reincarnating that same
Speaker 2: safe essence or spirit into this realm over and over again.
Speaker 2: So it doesn't matter who you vote for everybody, it
Speaker 2: doesn't matter what we do unless we rise up. That's
Speaker 2: like literally the only way out. There's so many people
Speaker 2: who are likena voute, I'm gonna voute harder and get
Speaker 2: out of this, and it's like, no, it is about
Speaker 2: us collectively, I believe coming together, and I think it's
Speaker 2: gonna get real bad before that happens. Well, you know,
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 7: I don't think this election is gonna gonna happen. I
Speaker 7: don't think I think.
Speaker 5: I think either he's gonna get in, but he'll never
Speaker 5: see a presidency. They'll either go in a third World
Speaker 5: war and say ope, emergency Act, we can't and the
Speaker 5: wartime presidents ever left, YadA, YadA, YadA, Biden dies an
Speaker 5: office and Kamala gets in, right, like that's the only
Speaker 5: way that they could win legally.
Speaker 2: It'll be interesting because this will be out just after
Speaker 2: they they they comes out. There are some people that
Speaker 2: speculate like I do, like Adam Green and listen to
Speaker 2: him sometimes so I'm be able'll catch some of his shows.
Speaker 2: And he thinks that they'll put because Trump is the
Speaker 2: Messiah to the non goy messiah or whatever this is
Speaker 2: like in their words, Uh, he could build the Third Temple, right, yeah,
Speaker 2: so yeah, you know, so like there is weird ship
Speaker 2: going on with that. But they I don't agree that
Speaker 2: he's gonna calm down. I don't know what I think yet.
Speaker 2: It's gonna calm down for a little bit. But then
Speaker 2: they'll they'll he'll be maybe one of these guys to
Speaker 2: stop the war. They were about to go into World
Speaker 2: War three, but he stopped it, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: And he's praised. And then because if Brandon Crow is.
Speaker 7: Right, maybe he is maybe is now Book of Revelation.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right's the anti Christ and all this ship. I
Speaker 2: don't funk. I don't know, I don't trust that I
Speaker 2: think that he's gonna get in. Things might calm for
Speaker 2: a little bit, or there's like full on like civil war.
Speaker 2: There's that's a two two rows.
Speaker 5: There's something bigger happening, man, Like everything's coming right, and
Speaker 5: it's like I said, like and where the trauma started
Speaker 5: for me, it's funny to watch actually watch it fall now,
Speaker 5: like the world of pedophiles is. It's sad to see
Speaker 5: the like why things happening like kids and people like
Speaker 5: me that happens is because the pedophiles are running the
Speaker 5: world and now and now it's becoming true, right, all
Speaker 5: the human trafficking that we go through, like.
Speaker 2: You know, people in sea containers, Like that's crazy. That's
Speaker 2: having a lot next to p. Didy's Island was a
Speaker 2: big shipping yard of course.
Speaker 5: And that's the thing with with with what we used
Speaker 5: to do, right, Like like in military firefighters, like I'll
Speaker 5: be the first to tell you, like we don't have
Speaker 5: a lot of fires. Like if you sell fires in
Speaker 5: a career, probably volunteer on your time off, right, Like
Speaker 5: that's how a lot of it worked. We didn't see
Speaker 5: a lot, but when it did happen, it was pretty bad.
Speaker 5: We had a lot of medicals and stuff.
Speaker 7: Yeah, but you know.
Speaker 5: When when you look at the MPs, right, like they're
Speaker 5: the same, like, oh yeah, what are we gonna do?
Speaker 5: Go pull a cad of a tree or pull someone over, right,
Speaker 5: like when they get up to a certain point. Like
Speaker 5: I had a buddy of mine who's who actually just
Speaker 5: left there. He was on on PTST for quite some
Speaker 5: time because he worked at SIU and all he did
Speaker 5: was sex sex crimes, right, So like so you're sitting there, well,
Speaker 5: and and that's the thing, right, Like because I called
Speaker 5: them one day when I was doing an investigation for
Speaker 5: a fire and I was documenting, like everything you look at,
Speaker 5: every picture you take or find, you have to document
Speaker 5: it and write an narrative. And I just realized, shit,
Speaker 5: I should call him. And I called him and I said,
Speaker 5: you're still there. He's like no, I got out. I
Speaker 5: was like, oh thank god, because I realized that's exactly
Speaker 5: what he had. So he had to look at evil
Speaker 5: documented for the chain of custody.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's what That's a crazy way to put it,
Speaker 2: because that is actually technically true. A lot of like
Speaker 2: say cops the RCMP, even though they really don't do
Speaker 2: their job. They have the power to arrest the trees
Speaker 2: and his criminals are in our government, but they choose
Speaker 2: not to write. So everyone's been gotten to and corrupted
Speaker 2: and all that stuff, right, but they to see that
Speaker 2: stuff all the time, if it be like a cop
Speaker 2: in Toronto, god knows what. And then my uncle was
Speaker 2: a lieutenant for like a while, and I'm I think
Speaker 2: I fucked him up, right, like you know so, and
Speaker 2: then you'd abuse others in some regards sometimes you know
Speaker 2: what I mean, because now you're like your brain's broken.
Speaker 5: Well, you're you're expected to be normal, right, And the
Speaker 5: problem is like they always tell you to adapt and overcome,
Speaker 5: but you look at society and progression hasn't taken one
Speaker 5: stuff for it.
Speaker 2: Well know, look what they do for the veterans that
Speaker 2: they sent off the fucking Afghanistan or god knows where
Speaker 2: right to like for their both like for their like
Speaker 2: bullshit lies and forever wars and everything right, and then
Speaker 2: they come back and then there's like treat like shit
Speaker 2: you throw on the streets and ain't told like you
Speaker 2: suck it up or whatever, And they don't even know
Speaker 2: how to come back from being in that environment. And
Speaker 2: then they had murder their whys Like that happens all
Speaker 2: the time because they're not given the help that they need.
Speaker 7: Well, and that's and that just goes right back to
Speaker 7: what happened.
Speaker 5: To me, Right, twenty years of twenty doctors and nothing
Speaker 5: got changed. Right And with then I'll tell you, I'll
Speaker 5: be flat out two suicide attempts that I got luckily
Speaker 5: saved from. Yeah, and and uh, you know, and this
Speaker 5: is just how it is. They don't care like you
Speaker 5: have to fight for your career. That's the other thing
Speaker 5: nobody tells you about the military. Every guys are too
Speaker 5: afraid to go to them, I r to seek help
Speaker 5: because they know it's a career killer. Ope, you can't
Speaker 5: have a weapon, so you're not deployable, airgo, you're not employable.
Speaker 5: And that's how they treat veterans. So guys are dealing
Speaker 5: with all of this nonsense, going home, drinking themselves to
Speaker 5: death or blowing their brains out because they're not being heard.
Speaker 7: They're just giving up. Here's here's here's your medications. Here
Speaker 7: you go and and you know, if you have any
Speaker 7: other problems, here's made for you.
Speaker 2: That's the craziest shit. Yeah, they just did this to
Speaker 2: someone who was injured from the shoddy shot clot shot.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 2: They they fucking literally said here, we can sign you
Speaker 2: you got an adverse reaction. Uh, you can sign up
Speaker 2: for me. That's the craziest ship that we're in. People,
Speaker 2: we're in the dystopian nightmare.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 2: We're in nineteen eighty four now, not like, oh, it's
Speaker 2: gonna come in the future. We're in it now. Your
Speaker 2: government is hurts you with the drug that they coerced
Speaker 2: you into getting, and then they're like, just kill yourself.
Speaker 2: They did that with that that chick she got, she
Speaker 2: got she was crippled by it in a wheelchair, and
Speaker 2: they offered her maid. That is the craziest shit. They
Speaker 2: don't offer you like something to like help you or
Speaker 2: you know, finance you with all the money that we've
Speaker 2: sent all over the world for fucking gender studies and
Speaker 2: all sorts of shit. And then the people that are
Speaker 2: getting injured by their drugs, No, they're not liable, especially
Speaker 2: the government who enforced that. And it was all of them.
Speaker 2: This is why I hate this shit because there was
Speaker 2: all of them, all of them. Nobody helped the convoy,
Speaker 2: Nobody did anything. Man says all of the like all
Speaker 2: of them. Man, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 7: What wonder and you wonder why we've lost our faith?
Speaker 5: Right Like I I have one hundred percent lost my
Speaker 5: faith and everything else because no one's helping. Like I've
Speaker 5: seen it for what it is. They don't care about
Speaker 5: anyone and not just us, right like.
Speaker 2: I hope for better? What do you do? But what
Speaker 2: do we do?
Speaker 7: Like?
Speaker 2: And it's crazy. I know, I've known it's not gonna
Speaker 2: k No, it's crazy. It so nuts, man, because I've
Speaker 2: I've been like I don't I didn't vote for most
Speaker 2: of my life because I'm like, there was no one.
Speaker 2: I don't believe any of you. You're all liars and
Speaker 2: thieves and and bullshit and con artists and and now
Speaker 2: you know I would hope I was sober for better
Speaker 2: in my twenties and stuff like that, but now I'm like, ah,
Speaker 2: this is the same thing. You guys are never there's
Speaker 2: never gonna be someone in a position of power like
Speaker 2: and and with people are all talking about Trump a
Speaker 2: lot right now and all that stuff. And in Canada
Speaker 2: it's Pierre all Pierre is gonna save us. The guy
Speaker 2: was in politics for twenty years, twenty years and did
Speaker 2: not a thing. He actually benefited the rich by cutting
Speaker 2: their taxes and did a bunch of other shady ass
Speaker 2: ship because that's who he is. These people have been there,
Speaker 2: they've been in government like his entire life, and somehow
Speaker 2: he's all of a sudden gonna change everything and he's
Speaker 2: gonna take back all the horrible things that he already did, right,
Speaker 2: and pandering to everybody that's not kannad so crazy.
Speaker 5: It's you know, it's like you said earlier in car
Speaker 5: and it's the carent quote right, Like it's all the
Speaker 5: club and you in and there, Right, it's all that
Speaker 5: everybody's playing the same game, right, And that's why, like
Speaker 5: what I think these intuitions I've been getting are literally
Speaker 5: I'm just playing five le chess, Like how would I
Speaker 5: make the next move?
Speaker 7: Oh yep, sure, ship, this is exactly what's happening. And
Speaker 7: it makes sense.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and it's it's it's and the problem is it's
Speaker 5: so blatant now that it's it's obvious, like they're not
Speaker 5: even hiding anything anymore.
Speaker 7: It's because they don't care.
Speaker 2: And and yeah, it's I I thought that too. I've
Speaker 2: said that, like what comes to the point where they're like,
Speaker 2: well we have we already have enough stuff where we
Speaker 2: can if we do something, we can go on the ground.
Speaker 2: They have like sonic weapons they have. I showed the one,
Speaker 2: the active denial system. We're gonna actually just make you go,
Speaker 2: like if it feels like your skin's burning, but it's
Speaker 2: just like yeah, yeah, it's crazy, and they'll like just
Speaker 2: disperse crowds. Like I was like, how much do they
Speaker 2: have to oppress us? And how far would it get?
Speaker 2: And That's why I always had this belief in like,
Speaker 2: if it gets bad enough, the angelic aliens or whatever
Speaker 2: they are will come help us. But I'm not sure
Speaker 2: of that because like we've gone through very horrible things
Speaker 2: throughout history, Like there you could name numerous things, even
Speaker 2: the Bolshevik Revolution, nobody was there to save them. They
Speaker 2: like literally millions upon millions of people died, you know,
Speaker 2: when the Communist Party was taken over Russia. Shit, and
Speaker 2: nobody even knows about that shit.
Speaker 5: Nobody knows anything about that outside of the world at all.
Speaker 5: Like nobody knows because of the like look at the
Speaker 5: infrastructure that's there, right, like big monolithic buildings, like people
Speaker 5: with courts and characters build It can be a very like.
Speaker 2: Oh the Tartaria things weird, some people believe it, and.
Speaker 5: Sometimes Tartaria just any any type of building in Eastern Europe.
Speaker 5: Some of them like there's I forget what the youach
Speaker 5: of all send it to you, but there's a guy
Speaker 5: who did a big good thing on it where they're
Speaker 5: digging up the ground and it's showing like all like
Speaker 5: nine meters worth of buildings, like why the windows are
Speaker 5: so close and it's like a big mud flood and
Speaker 5: these buildings withstood it and they've been around forever, right,
Speaker 5: like even Parliament, like when Parliament was built, like that
Speaker 5: was built like when I don't even remember it was
Speaker 5: it seventeen hundreds?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Like it's crazy.
Speaker 5: We've had stuff with with what we had, like come on,
Speaker 5: like it's there's a lot of things that are suspect.
Speaker 5: On there's a lot of things that are like from
Speaker 5: ot to lunch too, right, like it's it's all about
Speaker 5: discern Yet, well.
Speaker 2: I think they're trying to destroy history, especially and I
Speaker 2: think as a communist tactic of like destroy our history
Speaker 2: and destroy art like monuments and all that stuff. And
Speaker 2: then I'll say this again, the craziest shit is that
Speaker 2: we'll tear down like monuments of Johnny McDonald and all
Speaker 2: sorts of different people that like it's just history. But
Speaker 2: you'll put up a statue of George Floyd and were like, sweet,
Speaker 2: that criminal the hell the gun to a pregnant lady's stomach,
Speaker 2: that's he deserves a statue.
Speaker 5: That was a crazy time. And it just it's just
Speaker 5: one thing after another, rolling over and rolling over.
Speaker 2: I know, it's order out of chaos. And I believe
Speaker 2: they use this very well. And look at all this
Speaker 2: stuff that's happening with North Carolina and like the hurricanes
Speaker 2: and and Maui and nobody even talks about it because
Speaker 2: it's on to the next thing. Maui literally got hit
Speaker 2: by a direct energy weapon. That's a fucking fact. I
Speaker 2: like you, there's so much that's really the one with
Speaker 2: Hawaii or man, it's crazy.
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, Hawaii, that's uh. Where like Oprah
Speaker 7: didn't do something for them, there's something tied to that.
Speaker 2: They well they there was all these fires that happened
Speaker 2: a couple of years ago, Like was it a year ago?
Speaker 7: Maybe I wasn't following it.
Speaker 5: That a lot of the news that's probably it's crazy.
Speaker 2: And they had like burnt cars and stuff like that,
Speaker 2: but look like they were melted into the ground, like,
Speaker 2: and there was like umbrellas that were still there that
Speaker 2: didn't even get touched, trees that didn't get touched, but
Speaker 2: everything around them.
Speaker 7: Was, oh, that's that blue.
Speaker 5: Yes, you remember if something about blue blue blue people, blue.
Speaker 2: Roofs and ship like and all the celebrity It's just
Speaker 2: like places weren't touched and now guess what they want
Speaker 2: to buy it. I think it turned to a fifteen
Speaker 2: minute city. It's so crazy. I imagine what's going to
Speaker 2: happen in North Carolina and what they're going to do
Speaker 2: to like that town.
Speaker 7: I don't know.
Speaker 5: It's on my Bengo card man, Like it's just anything
Speaker 5: goes right now, Like like if aliens did land on
Speaker 5: the White House Lane, who would be surprised kind.
Speaker 2: Of even if they were bad. I just want to
Speaker 2: see it in my lifetime. I am like, give me
Speaker 2: like twenty more years and then we can do that.
Speaker 7: Yeah yea.
Speaker 5: So just the firm that I was recruct I'm like, okay,
Speaker 5: I can live with this, like honestly, because that's how
Speaker 5: crazy it is.
Speaker 7: That's because I.
Speaker 5: Don't want to believe that our own kind is doing this,
Speaker 5: like and when I say own kind of humanity, that
Speaker 5: we're doing it to each other, Like it's just it's
Speaker 5: so insidious, Like what would the point be? What would
Speaker 5: the overall point be for a global dominance? Like it's
Speaker 5: just like you wake up the next day and you're like,
Speaker 5: what level am I on it? Just everything certainly does
Speaker 5: feel like the simulation.
Speaker 7: And that's why like.
Speaker 5: That everything happening right now, combined with what I went
Speaker 5: through with dimensions, Like you want to talk about a
Speaker 5: time work right, Like I'm just playing five of eachest
Speaker 5: with the clock is how I feel like my life
Speaker 5: is going.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what it is interesting how you've kind of taken
Speaker 2: a trip down this rabbit hole. And that's what we've
Speaker 2: said on the show too, is the idea is like
Speaker 2: these people can't be human, you know if they're doing
Speaker 2: the type of things that they're doing and and not
Speaker 2: having any regard, like they have no empathy installed, like
Speaker 2: they're not there. So that's why I try to like
Speaker 2: tell people like it doesn't matter, man like until people
Speaker 2: collectivize and realize life is a team sport they've always
Speaker 2: and I everyone's fell victim of this one. Everyone make
Speaker 2: everyone an individual. You're an individual, you got to be
Speaker 2: on your own and stuff like that. But realistically, we
Speaker 2: do need each other. And they've like done this in
Speaker 2: such a smart way. It's very intelligent to like divide
Speaker 2: and conquer people, but they do it in almost every
Speaker 2: single thing, and I fall victim to it. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: don't like the people that are I think invading my country.
Speaker 2: And that's and that's okay for me to say, because
Speaker 2: I think it is wrong because you have black, too
Speaker 2: many people with too many different ideologies or religious backgrounds,
Speaker 2: and you're told to hate them from the other side
Speaker 2: of the world with their propaganda machine. It's not going
Speaker 2: to work. You need to like bleed into the system
Speaker 2: if that's the way we're going to do it. But
Speaker 2: at the end of the day, right, we're all tax
Speaker 2: slaves anyway.
Speaker 5: Well, and and and the thing is too right, like
Speaker 5: I kind of believe like in the positions I've been
Speaker 5: like it boots on the ground with just the people.
Speaker 5: And that's how including liking with the Arctic right, like, yeah,
Speaker 5: we need to I used to preach like it takes
Speaker 5: a village, like even when I would be teaching the
Speaker 5: teaching the communities and stuff, and it's it's true because
Speaker 5: you know, they would come to me with their problems
Speaker 5: and then I would pass certain things that could up
Speaker 5: and certain things that wouldn't. And then you know, by
Speaker 5: by this sort of bureaucracy, like nothing could happen in
Speaker 5: a quick enough time to fix a to make a resolution.
Speaker 7: That you know, I'm I'm the blame, even though.
Speaker 5: I'm not the one that made the decision, Like I'm
Speaker 5: the one where they've trusted me to pass the message along, right,
Speaker 5: and only for so long will they have the trust
Speaker 5: new And that was the biggest part about even being
Speaker 5: up north, was like because of reconciliation, how bad it
Speaker 5: is even up there, but like the residential school system
Speaker 5: like that didn't end like not long ago, that one,
Speaker 5: and and those people are still very much traumatized. So
Speaker 5: like earning the trust up there, but yeah, you know,
Speaker 5: everyone everyone who's going up there is making like you know,
Speaker 5: six figures plus, and there's these people who are poor,
Speaker 5: like what are we doing? Like, and that's a capital
Speaker 5: city of eight thousand people, right, and there's just all
Speaker 5: this money going in for the employees to live there,
Speaker 5: but there's no infrastructure, like it's a capital city. And
Speaker 5: I don't mean to sound bad, but it doesn't look
Speaker 5: very nice to the to the eye, like like.
Speaker 7: Well, that's all could be done.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's like we've talked about this right where
Speaker 2: we'll get into this at some point, I'm sure, and
Speaker 2: stuff like that. But this idea that every white person
Speaker 2: or every Christian or Catholic is to blame for what
Speaker 2: happened in the residential schools is wrong. And I want
Speaker 2: people to understand it was the Vaticate been it was.
Speaker 2: It was the people, these sadistic, evil people, and they're
Speaker 2: and and factually, at least for in the Camp Loops one,
Speaker 2: there was not one bone found. Abuse is probably taking
Speaker 2: place to some extent.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 2: But the thing is they need this for a division tactic.
Speaker 2: They need to tell the population you should hate your
Speaker 2: own national idea, you should hate your history because this
Speaker 2: land is built on genocide. And I do think that
Speaker 2: is what the liberals and a lot all the governments
Speaker 2: are doing because that's how a communistic party does come in.
Speaker 2: And bad things have happened, right, it's the past, but
Speaker 2: you have to learn from history and try to reconcile
Speaker 2: what has happened in some ways. And the governments give
Speaker 2: millions of dollars to their reserves, but the chiefs do
Speaker 2: what politicians do and they cipher it off the top
Speaker 2: and then go into their god knows what ventures.
Speaker 5: Right well, and and you know, the I think a
Speaker 5: big thing people should really look into is they should
Speaker 5: remember like even pre pre colonialism, like pres schools, like
Speaker 5: there were people here that lived amongst them and lived
Speaker 5: in harmony, like the French settlers, Like we fought alongside
Speaker 5: like all of this area people forget, like with the
Speaker 5: Huron Wars and everything, like we fought against the British,
Speaker 5: the front settlers that were here.
Speaker 2: And that's where I think I weird. My dad saw
Speaker 2: the family consent because we've been here in the sixteen
Speaker 2: hundreds and we're Empire loyalists, and I don't think I
Speaker 2: think we landed in Quebec, which is crazy because we
Speaker 2: make fun of Quebec all the time.
Speaker 7: It'd be funny.
Speaker 5: It's like I think I was like thirty percent French
Speaker 5: or something I did, Like I I that felt victim
Speaker 5: to being an idiot and doing the twenty three, like
Speaker 5: I got all that stuff. I'm also six percent astronaut.
Speaker 5: Could you imagine that?
Speaker 2: Right? Yeah, everybody is imagine that.
Speaker 5: But but it'd be something to look into because there's
Speaker 5: something there that we did live in harmony with each
Speaker 5: other at one point and it wasn't it wasn't race based,
Speaker 5: it was policy based.
Speaker 2: That's where I'm on.
Speaker 7: I try to encouraged. Well, I'm sorry, I go ahead.
Speaker 2: I just this is some topic that I definitely want
Speaker 2: us to dive into on its own. Just that that
Speaker 2: one topic is the idea that there was people of
Speaker 2: European descent, white people whatever you want to call them,
Speaker 2: that we're already existing here with the indigenous, which is
Speaker 2: fascinating because it's quite possible because there is they There
Speaker 2: is stories of things like the waggas and even more
Speaker 2: about the tall white people that had you know, this
Speaker 2: might be the Nephlim ship but had orange hair. But
Speaker 2: like there's stories of that, there was already people here.
Speaker 2: There's vikings that came fucking way beforehand. Uh, And there's
Speaker 2: no stories written down of this. They don't want this
Speaker 2: history told well.
Speaker 7: And you know, I highly I would highly.
Speaker 5: Advise your viewers or listeners to to look into the
Speaker 5: Eschen and Navi tribe the Seven Fires prophecy, right, because
Speaker 5: it talks about how reconciliation could become a thing, right,
Speaker 5: and it talks about, you know, there's there's a white
Speaker 5: man that comes with the face of death and one
Speaker 5: that comes with the face of friendship, you know, and
Speaker 5: then that tracks into like the prophecy of what happened
Speaker 5: with the colonialism down to there will come a time
Speaker 5: where there's a crossroads where reconciliation will be possible, but
Speaker 5: it's up to them to be the new people of
Speaker 5: the Seventh Fire or the Eighth Fire. It's just something
Speaker 5: to really look into because they they themselves even offer
Speaker 5: that guide to reconciliation for us, whereas in the Bible,
Speaker 5: like we have the redemption story, so like they could
Speaker 5: hand in hand, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: So I would highly recommend people just look into that
Speaker 5: because that's Canadian history that nobody talks about hundred percent.
Speaker 2: And I would do a whole episode just about that
Speaker 2: that prophecy too, because like I'm not like it's interesting
Speaker 2: just because my point of view on some of the
Speaker 2: colonization stuff, and I like, you know, I do think
Speaker 2: that a lot of that stuff has been now used
Speaker 2: to radicalize people and like this has stolen land, it
Speaker 2: doesn't deserve to exist. But there's the Canadian people are
Speaker 2: a people. They've made themselves into a people and this
Speaker 2: they're using these tactics to destroy the nation front with it.
Speaker 2: If you study communism, it's very simple layout of like
Speaker 2: getting the nation to hate themselves, hate their national identity,
Speaker 2: erode everything, bring too many people in, divide all those people,
Speaker 2: and then you can like essentially break out a violent
Speaker 2: revolution that guess what all the people do, consolidate all
Speaker 2: the power. And there's history on both sides. Like I've
Speaker 2: said on the show, I'm reading a book called Not Stolen.
Speaker 2: I think it's fascinating, it's interesting. It's essentially not this
Speaker 2: woke version of what has happened throughout our history, especially
Speaker 2: with some of the agreements and settlements that were made
Speaker 2: with the indigenous, how there was sometimes even friendships and stuff,
Speaker 2: and that this has been overplayed. Is this violent extermination
Speaker 2: of people when it wasn't. It was a lot of
Speaker 2: sickness that was either done by accident or on purpose
Speaker 2: that took out large portions of the population. There's a guy,
Speaker 2: some people like him, I know somebody that don't. There's
Speaker 2: a guy named Robert Zephyr. I think that's to say
Speaker 2: his name. He's like an anthropologist kind of guy, does
Speaker 2: a little short things on YouTube and actually talks about
Speaker 2: things like the vrill and when some of the things
Speaker 2: the Nazis believed and the ancient Aryan race and plays
Speaker 2: it actually more weird, but like a plays it into
Speaker 2: like a more positive aspect of this is this ancient knowledge.
Speaker 2: And then you see the swastika on indigenous tribes, of
Speaker 2: their clothings, on their moccasins, all sorts of stuff, right,
Speaker 2: so it is interesting and that symbol was supposed to
Speaker 2: be given to them by like the Wagas and these
Speaker 2: like race of white Aryan people. And I didn't know
Speaker 2: a lot of this stuff until I started looking into it.
Speaker 2: And everyone wants to think they know everything about history,
Speaker 2: but there's so many layers. And there was good people
Speaker 2: fighting against the fighting with the indigenous, and the indigenous
Speaker 2: did wrong things too. They were also they almost genocide
Speaker 2: each other, the Iroquois and the Mohawks. They're like the
Speaker 2: that you got people have to lay that some of
Speaker 2: that stuff out when they're talking about you know what
Speaker 2: I mean?
Speaker 7: Well, the foundation is always a good thing.
Speaker 5: But you know, I think it would be awesome as
Speaker 5: they get an older if you can't on here to
Speaker 5: like talk about some of this stuff, right, because who
Speaker 5: else would be able to tell you best if this
Speaker 5: was happening now in society, then the people that it
Speaker 5: happened to you before, right, willing to even talk to you.
Speaker 7: Right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because I'm kind of controversial. But it's funny because
Speaker 2: I have, uh there's actually a guy on TikTok and
Speaker 2: I've actually liket. His videos are great. I've saved two
Speaker 2: of them. And it's an indigenous dude that uh it
Speaker 2: doesn't like what's going on with the government and is
Speaker 2: actually speaking out about the He says, the native born
Speaker 2: Canadians that have been here since the first first colonization
Speaker 2: when they took over and stuff like that. And he
Speaker 2: was like, now they're being ran out and stuff like
Speaker 2: that and taken over by a new one. And he
Speaker 2: was like, and he's even said that it's not like
Speaker 2: really the people, it's it's the government. I've commented on
Speaker 2: stuff and he's liked all my because I'm like, it's
Speaker 2: the government, man, it's and he he's spoke out a
Speaker 2: lot more than I've seen anybody else. And he's an indigenous,
Speaker 2: like to the core and saying like, yeah, we need
Speaker 2: to come together because they're going to destroy all of us.
Speaker 2: And he's very much on the side of like, hey,
Speaker 2: white people are also being replaced and instinct through this process.
Speaker 7: Now that's the.
Speaker 5: Thing, like I said before, it takes it takes a village, right,
Speaker 5: like build a community, and you should have these discussions.
Speaker 5: Have people on that could have these discussions that get
Speaker 5: them up, because that's the thing that everyone's talking about.
Speaker 5: Everyone's talking about what's happening over here right in Hollywood
Speaker 5: and all this other shit, and I'm talking about what's
Speaker 5: really going on, right, So this is these are I think,
Speaker 5: you know, everything seems to be clickbait out there, right,
Speaker 5: but nobody's talking the truth. They're just talking to someone
Speaker 5: else's truth that they edited slightly, right, Like, these are
Speaker 5: discussions that aren't happening, Like, have the right people on
Speaker 5: build that reconciliation. That's the only way that we really
Speaker 5: could have reconciliation is to have the discussion first.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's why I am interested in you because
Speaker 2: I've said I grew up with a couple of friends
Speaker 2: that were indigenous and stuff like that. I've went to
Speaker 2: the reserves buns of times, and it's just the and
Speaker 2: it's the idea that I see some sadness within in
Speaker 2: those areas of what it could be. And you know,
Speaker 2: there's a lot of I just don't think a lot
Speaker 2: of help being done. And that's why I talk about
Speaker 2: the chiefs that people black. They've we've given them millions
Speaker 2: of dollars or tax dollars. They don't pay taxes, and
Speaker 2: you know, they have free education, all these things that
Speaker 2: would be positive, right. I do think some of it
Speaker 2: is a victim status, a little bit of like they
Speaker 2: are now fed into this system almost a communist system
Speaker 2: where this happens in America too, where the reserves are
Speaker 2: dependent on the government, the government's money to survive, to
Speaker 2: live and stuff like that. Uh, you know, and and
Speaker 2: I do see both sides. But I do think that
Speaker 2: we've talked about that I would be interested in hearing
Speaker 2: essentially the other side of the thing.
Speaker 5: It doesn't matter who's doing it, right, like, at the
Speaker 5: end of the day, and even in the jobs that
Speaker 5: they've had in all aspects of government, just corruption has
Speaker 5: to be called out immediately, like there's they always preach
Speaker 5: no code of silence, don't poison them all. Like these
Speaker 5: are initial things that you get when you're doing these
Speaker 5: jobs in government. And meanwhile like they're bleeding goosiping about
Speaker 5: you behind your back or they're you know, not doing
Speaker 5: the right thing.
Speaker 2: Most politicians are treasoness at this point.
Speaker 5: And look and look how it is as an arderline,
Speaker 5: are you going to be the under the d of jeez?
Speaker 5: Is my job really worth going to get somebody who
Speaker 5: has power? Like that's the problems people find themselves. And
Speaker 5: they're the guards in the concentration camp. Like it's unfortunate,
Speaker 5: but that's how everybody is. Like they have good intentions,
Speaker 5: they'll hide behind the fence to say, you know, I
Speaker 5: believe you, but they're not going to step on the
Speaker 5: other side of the line to stand up for what
Speaker 5: is truly right.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, that's the whole society, list the whole societies
Speaker 2: of people now where it's like especially now where that
Speaker 2: people are afraid to speak the truth, where we've we've
Speaker 2: sold ourselves this lie over and over and over again,
Speaker 2: and and everywhere it is, it's everywhere. It's the media,
Speaker 2: social media, it's the Internet, it's like and and people
Speaker 2: are feeding into it so much, and especially these divide
Speaker 2: and conquer tactics. And that's why I'm like, I do
Speaker 2: believe in unity of the people that it like, at
Speaker 2: some point, either we all come together and it's kumbai uh.
Speaker 2: But more more realistically, it's going to come to a
Speaker 2: point where Canadians or Americans or people that live in
Speaker 2: those homelands, the Canadians, I also mean the indigenous will
Speaker 2: need to band together against all the foreign invasion that's
Speaker 2: going on. I do think there's a pro big probability
Speaker 2: that we'll go into a civil war at some point,
Speaker 2: or there'll be some because there's people getting hurt all
Speaker 2: the time on the roads, assaults because you bring in
Speaker 2: too many people from a country where it's okay to
Speaker 2: do stuff like that.
Speaker 7: We're at the boiling point, and that's the big thing.
Speaker 5: And you see that in all societies, right Like, you
Speaker 5: hit a certain level of prosperity and then things just fall.
Speaker 2: Apart, seeing the downfall of an empire.
Speaker 5: That's right, and and it's all on the guise of
Speaker 5: good intentions and that's the problem, right Like, that's right,
Speaker 5: right end of the day, that road still leads to room. Right,
Speaker 5: it all goes to the same surface.
Speaker 2: And everything got really gay things. Uh, and it is crazy.
Speaker 2: We had a really good conversation. We've talked about things
Speaker 2: you know that we'll maybe get into and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: Like at some point I would love to film a
Speaker 2: doc and maybe go to some of the reserves and
Speaker 2: talk to an elder or someone that can, you know,
Speaker 2: so we can have an honest conversation because you'll find
Speaker 2: it more often or not, that probably what it will be.
Speaker 2: I think a lot of the people, like I said
Speaker 2: this before, that the every Child's Matter thing, whoever made
Speaker 2: those shirts is making a lot of money. Uh, and
Speaker 2: it's a grift. And that's exactly.
Speaker 7: Absolutely right.
Speaker 2: So at the end, that's sad, right because not really
Speaker 2: a bad doubt's helping anyone, Like BLM, same thing, right,
Speaker 2: these are all being used against us. I truly believe
Speaker 2: that it's a Marxist or read cultural Marxist just reading
Speaker 2: and what their ideologies are and it's like a reflection
Speaker 2: of what we see now. But I'm excited to get
Speaker 2: into some of the stuff that we've talked about and
Speaker 2: maybe starting to lay foundations. Even if it's a once
Speaker 2: a month kind of thing. We're able to break some
Speaker 2: of these rabbit holes down, because I'm sure there it'd
Speaker 2: be easy to do two hours and talk about one
Speaker 2: encompassing subject, like some of the ancient text and what
Speaker 2: you believe is going on in the past and stuff.
Speaker 5: Oh, but it's gonna take a long time. It's going
Speaker 5: to be a couple of Ancient Aliens episodes for sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm down for that. I like that shit. That's
Speaker 2: like one of my favorites. So yeah, I hope everyone
Speaker 2: enjoyed this. It was fun, Like I'm never able to
Speaker 2: do this right. Like usually we stick to like one topic,
Speaker 2: you know, and we're always having fun right and joking.
Speaker 2: But this more serious topics sometimes I enjoy more because
Speaker 2: I'm able to get these point of view across to
Speaker 2: people that maybe don't normally think about it or know
Speaker 2: that I think some of these things that like, yeah,
Speaker 2: like I still want to fight for my people, but
Speaker 2: I think there is a massive amount of division going on.
Speaker 2: And having these open conversations, especially just to start going
Speaker 2: down this rabbit hole and to kind of introduce you
Speaker 2: because it seems like you do have a lot to
Speaker 2: say and you've been looking into stuff pretty deeply. I've
Speaker 2: seen he's been sending me stuff, so I've seen what
Speaker 2: he's getting, what he's digging into, and it's it's interesting.
Speaker 2: It's stuff that I've looked at before in my life,
Speaker 2: but now it's you've laid it out in a way
Speaker 2: where it might make it pretty easy to consume for people.
Speaker 5: There's a couple of puzzle pieces that we're missing, and
Speaker 5: I think it all starts with the one that I
Speaker 5: just told everybody to get informed with. So seven fires, guys,
Speaker 5: have a look at that, and Tom, thanks for having me.
Speaker 7: I do appreciate it.
Speaker 2: One hundred percent. Yeah, we'll have to maybe cover that
Speaker 2: next time, but yeah, this is a good talk. Everybody
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