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Speaker 1: and James Bubo Fay.
Speaker 2: Greetings, Bobo.
Speaker 3: There's up Cliff.
Speaker 2: Lots of stuff as usual, just cruising through summer and
Speaker 2: being busy man as a as a whole.
Speaker 1: So what's up with you?
Speaker 2: Anything good?
Speaker 1: Nothing?
Speaker 3: I mean, I'll have more news next week, but this
Speaker 3: week now, but next you guys should ask some pretty
Speaker 3: hopefully exciting stuff I've had. What have happened transpired in
Speaker 3: the meantime.
Speaker 2: Give me a hint about any any teasers for me?
Speaker 3: DNA baby DNA?
Speaker 2: Oh well, we'll see, we'll see, I hope.
Speaker 3: So at the temperatures cool down a little bit.
Speaker 2: Temperature dependent DNA news, Huh, that's weird.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I got to retrieve it and I'm not going
Speaker 3: to go up. I just got beat up pretty bad
Speaker 3: by the heat, so I'm gonna make sure it's not
Speaker 3: excessive like triple digits if I go out there fair enough.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, things have been happening around here. As usual,
Speaker 2: I got word. I did not get a chance to
Speaker 2: investigate this one, but our good friend Tyler Bounds gave
Speaker 2: me a call, I guess, and he reported that a
Speaker 2: friend of his saw a sasquatch up in Ridgefield, just
Speaker 2: north of Vancouver. It's like, not quite suburbia, but it's
Speaker 2: not quite deep woods either, you know, it's kind of
Speaker 2: in between. And at first, as you can Ridgefield, how
Speaker 2: could that be true? You know, you know, but it's
Speaker 2: the Pacific Northwest. There's pockets of woods everywhere. And so
Speaker 2: he told me the location. It was this park over
Speaker 2: near the Columbia River kind of, and there was a
Speaker 2: tributary to the Columbia flowing through the park. And it's
Speaker 2: a very very heavily wooded park in general.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Whipple Creek Regional Park apparently had a sasquatch siding
Speaker 2: in it. And when you do a quick Google search
Speaker 2: on it, you can see it's like, oh, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: that's very doable. Some people might not think so, but
Speaker 2: those people are be incorrect, as it turns out, because
Speaker 2: when you look at Whipple Creek and you say, oh, well,
Speaker 2: the town's just a little bit there's suburbia just to
Speaker 2: the south and a little bit to the east of it.
Speaker 2: Say well, yeah, but look at all the green way
Speaker 2: that you have between this park and the Columbia River
Speaker 2: and all the other green ways around there. And when
Speaker 2: you consider like Savvie Islands right there, Sauvie Islands right
Speaker 2: across the channel, and there have been sightings on Sauvie Island,
Speaker 2: and of course on the other side of Sauvie Island
Speaker 2: in this general area of Scatpoos, there's stuff right outside
Speaker 2: of Skatpoos. The whole thing makes sense. This particular siding,
Speaker 2: I guess a couple people were horseback riding and they
Speaker 2: were going above rather deep forested canyon and there was
Speaker 2: a river at the bottom. It wasn't like a thousand
Speaker 2: feet down. I get the feeling. I didn't go to
Speaker 2: the location because I didn't exactly where it was. I
Speaker 2: got the feeling. Is more like thirty or maybe fifty
Speaker 2: feet deep. And these guys were horseback riding and they
Speaker 2: thought they saw a bear in the creek down below,
Speaker 2: but apparently it wasn't. It was a hairy human shape
Speaker 2: sort of thing about maybe nee or waist deep in
Speaker 2: the water doing something in the water, and apparently they
Speaker 2: got a pretty decent look at it for a decent
Speaker 2: amount of time. I don't know. Again, I did not
Speaker 2: speak to the witnesses. I asked for the contact information,
Speaker 2: but just did not pan out, you know. And there
Speaker 2: were people walking their dogs or whatever in the area.
Speaker 2: They didn't see the thing though, because they didn't have
Speaker 2: a good angle on it. The people on horseback had
Speaker 2: a good angle on it.
Speaker 3: I'm looking at it right now. That's not much of
Speaker 3: a hiving swat for a squash. The mist of all
Speaker 3: those people I get seem like if I get through
Speaker 3: it a nighttime, getting stuck, like, oh, it's gonna get lights.
Speaker 3: So I was gonna hang out here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, But put it in context of all that work
Speaker 2: that we did back east, you know, like in Ohio
Speaker 2: or or Pennsylvania or Minnesota. It's like, that's the kind
Speaker 2: of stuff they hang out in back there, and we
Speaker 2: should fully expect to do that out here.
Speaker 3: I think I'm saying they wouldn't. I mean, it's close
Speaker 3: to the river and all that. Yeah, there's I mean,
Speaker 3: there's I can see him being in there. I'm not
Speaker 3: saying they wouldn't be in there, but now that's a
Speaker 3: small place and for how much open space sorce of
Speaker 3: Pacific Northwest, that's pretty human human zone for them.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, well, I mean it is what it is.
Speaker 2: I mean, there's there's that natural area on the other
Speaker 2: side of the five and if you know, if they're
Speaker 2: crawling around through that area, I don't know. It kind
Speaker 2: of makes sense to me, especially since there's a long
Speaker 2: history of stuff up in that general area, like outside
Speaker 2: of Battleground. We usually get a reporter too outside of
Speaker 2: Battleground almost every year, and that's kind of the same
Speaker 2: sort of habitat close.
Speaker 3: Is this is that money maker crossing zone on the five,
Speaker 3: the one he was publicizing pretty hard.
Speaker 2: Oh oh, that was up by Great Wolflage. I think
Speaker 2: a couple of years ago during December when one ran
Speaker 2: across the five. Is that what you're talking about.
Speaker 3: There's a couple there's several settings along this the last
Speaker 3: couple of years on the same spot area.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, this is actually south of Ridgefield a
Speaker 2: little bit. But yeah, there's there's a lot of good
Speaker 2: habit It doesn't look like much on a but you know,
Speaker 2: as you're driving through the area, it is is very
Speaker 2: very reasonable and also look at the river like right
Speaker 2: there to the west of there, and look at the
Speaker 2: river like a grand z There's a lot of woods
Speaker 2: and riparian zone and habitat in there a lot. There's
Speaker 2: a wonderful siding. I don't have a lot of sightings
Speaker 2: from Savvie Island in general because it's so it's just
Speaker 2: farmed for the most part. But I did pull a
Speaker 2: really nice sighting this past year. I think it was squash.
Speaker 2: I think it was this past year a squatch fest.
Speaker 2: A woman told me about a siding up on the
Speaker 2: northern side of Sauvie Island in the sort of like
Speaker 2: a swampy sort of areas that you can see in there.
Speaker 2: And this is two miles three miles from that general zone. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it kind of makes sense to me in general, But
Speaker 2: so that was kind of cool. It was neat to
Speaker 2: see that one was in so close.
Speaker 3: So was it what thom of day was in about?
Speaker 3: Like it was daylight? Yeah? What time daylight?
Speaker 2: I don't know. I got the feeling it was like
Speaker 2: afternoon or something. Again, I didn't didn't have a chance
Speaker 2: to speak to the witness. Tyler would have more information,
Speaker 2: so we call him right August for details while he's working.
Speaker 2: It is a it is a Monday right now. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but yeah, anyway, hopefully maybe maybe there might be more
Speaker 2: information coming up. I was hoping to get to the
Speaker 2: location with the witness because you know, if I didn't
Speaker 2: know where it was, I could spend all day walking
Speaker 2: around to that park and not fine. Oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: But apparently the thing was down in the water doing something,
Speaker 2: you know, and the guys watched it for a few
Speaker 2: moments and it clewed in that it was being seen
Speaker 2: or maybe you know, it could see the people and
Speaker 2: like looked at them for a moment and then just
Speaker 2: walked out of the out of the creek and into
Speaker 2: the woods. And that's the last I saw it.
Speaker 3: I'm not surprised one would like spend the day and
Speaker 3: they're like, you know, because it was going place to
Speaker 3: place and it got kind of stuck in between two
Speaker 3: great habitat zones that you know, they're not hemmed in
Speaker 3: like doing stuff like visible in the daytime, like in
Speaker 3: a creek, visible from the trailer. Just asked the part
Speaker 3: that's like, well, that's that's a pretty bold squatch.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well they're all doing something right now, Like every
Speaker 2: big Foot of Live is out there doing something at
Speaker 2: this very moment. I don't know. I guess another in
Speaker 2: Bigfoot news, of course, is I would. I was out
Speaker 2: of town all weekend. I went to I went up
Speaker 2: to the Olympic Project property and hung out with the
Speaker 2: good folks up there. Yeah, that was good fun. Lots
Speaker 2: of people are up there, too many to name, of course,
Speaker 2: but I think for me, at least the highlights. It's
Speaker 2: always great to see Shane and his family of course,
Speaker 2: and Derek Randalls is great. Derek said that I need
Speaker 2: to start bugging him about coming on the podcast, and
Speaker 2: so I will be happy to do that. I'll be
Speaker 2: calling Derek this week and trying to set something up.
Speaker 2: He said he'd be more than happy to come on
Speaker 2: the podcast and hang out. He goes, although he hasn't
Speaker 2: been doing much Bigfoot, he personally has not been doing
Speaker 2: much big but stuff lately. He's been more focused on
Speaker 2: hiking very tall mountains and being in shape and stuff
Speaker 2: like that. Yeah, he's super into that right now. You know,
Speaker 2: Derek is like always one hundred and ten percent into
Speaker 2: anything he's doing. Yeah, yeah, right now it's I guess
Speaker 2: when he hit sixty he said, I'm going to be
Speaker 2: in the best shape of my life right now and
Speaker 2: decided to do it. And godspeed man. Like he's killing it.
Speaker 2: He's really in the hiking up like he's in these
Speaker 2: like hiking clubs and stuff where the whole point is
Speaker 2: to gain elevation. I guess, yeah, really really into that.
Speaker 2: But so he said, I don't know what I talk about.
Speaker 2: I haven't been doing too much. I said, dude, we're
Speaker 2: going to talk about all the stuff you did do
Speaker 2: like we're going to talk about your time with Krantz.
Speaker 2: We're going to talk about your time with doctor Meldrum
Speaker 2: and the North American eight Project. I mean, I bet
Speaker 2: a lot of our listeners have never even heard of
Speaker 2: the North American eight Project, but yet it was a
Speaker 2: huge thing back in the late nineties and early two thousands.
Speaker 2: And speaking of which, one of the highlights by far
Speaker 2: of my weekend up at the op the Olympic Project
Speaker 2: property and was hanging out with John Pickering. Oh my god,
Speaker 2: John is a legend. He was everywhere and nobody so
Speaker 2: almost nobody nowadays knows who he is. It's like, oh man,
Speaker 2: and it's still kind of a recluse. But we and
Speaker 2: I get along really well because we're both, you know,
Speaker 2: diehard introverts at the end of the day, and we
Speaker 2: totally understand like, yeah, I don't there's people there. I
Speaker 2: don't want to go there. You know, we totally, we
Speaker 2: totally understand each other. Yeah, he's awesome. Yeah I learned
Speaker 2: a lot from him as well. He's just so cool.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I did that this past weekend. So I
Speaker 2: got home and I went into work yesterday, today's Monday.
Speaker 2: So on Sunday, I went into work. A couple interesting emails.
Speaker 2: There's a game camera picture that clearly shows an eye
Speaker 2: of something and a bunch of other goodness knows what.
Speaker 2: I suspect it's a bear, you know, sniff in the camera.
Speaker 2: There's another email with a photograph of a footprint cast
Speaker 2: that they needed help identifying, and it turned out to
Speaker 2: be in my opinion, I think it's an old copy
Speaker 2: of the Peter Burn nineteen sixty track that has all
Speaker 2: sorts of weird things around it. Of course, and you
Speaker 2: can always read about that on the Cliffberrickman dot com
Speaker 2: website in the track database. But also while I was there. Coincidentally,
Speaker 2: while I was there, and this is what I love
Speaker 2: about the bigfoot thing. And I can totally see why
Speaker 2: people say, oh see, yes, paranormal. It's like, nah, relax,
Speaker 2: everything's cool. Turns out that weird things happen in life.
Speaker 2: While I was there, somebody called in to the shop
Speaker 2: wanting to tell us about running in possibly running into
Speaker 2: a sasquatch the day before at the Sandy Hatchery. I
Speaker 2: live in Sandy, Oregon, and there's a hatchery not too
Speaker 2: far away, you know, out in the woods there, and
Speaker 2: somebody was down fishing, I guess, at five or six
Speaker 2: o'clock at night, in the general zone of the Sandy
Speaker 2: Sandy Hatchery there, and they didn't see anybody else. There
Speaker 2: were a couple of fishermen around, they know because the
Speaker 2: parking lot, but they didn't see anybody else. And they
Speaker 2: didn't see a sasquatch either. I want to make that clear.
Speaker 2: They're down there on one of the Sandy beaches next
Speaker 2: to the Sandy River. A lot of Sandy words being
Speaker 2: thrown around right now. Yeah, but they're on one of
Speaker 2: these beaches down by the Sandy River fishing. And it
Speaker 2: was again five or six o'clock at night, so plenty
Speaker 2: of lights still, and they heard a big splash. And
Speaker 2: they saw the splash, but they didn't see what made it.
Speaker 2: And the guy thought, oh man, that's a big salmon.
Speaker 2: Holy smokes, that salmon just rolled right. And so because
Speaker 2: again everybody fish is at the hattery, you know, because
Speaker 2: if they For those people who don't live in the
Speaker 2: Pacific Northwest, I guess a clue to the puzzle here
Speaker 2: is that you aren't allowed to eat wild fish. You
Speaker 2: aren't allowed to fish for salmon or steel ahead that
Speaker 2: are wild and eat them. You have to let those go.
Speaker 2: But if you can and fact fish for and keep
Speaker 2: and eat hatchery salmon. And so everybody fishes by the
Speaker 2: hatchery because that's where all the fish are going anyway,
Speaker 2: the ones that you're allowed to eat. Somebody fishes in
Speaker 2: that general zone. It makes sense, right, they're concentrated there.
Speaker 2: So anyway, he was there and he heard there heard
Speaker 2: a splash, and didn't he thought it was a salmon.
Speaker 2: He starts casting at it, and like a minute or
Speaker 2: two later, something catches his eye at a corner of
Speaker 2: his eye, and it's another rock. Apparently the first splash
Speaker 2: was a rock, and this one is another rock, and
Speaker 2: he sees it and it splashes into the river, and
Speaker 2: this one's large enough that it grinds against the stones
Speaker 2: in the water. I love how deep it was there.
Speaker 2: But you know, you know, we've all heard that noise,
Speaker 2: right pretty much. Yeah, So and he goes, oh my god,
Speaker 2: what was that? And he gets pissed because he's not
Speaker 2: thinking bigfoot, you know, and he thought, like, who the
Speaker 2: hell's throwing rocks at us? And so he actually throws
Speaker 2: his rod down on the ground and runs up the
Speaker 2: up the bank or whatever, say, who the hell did that?
Speaker 2: He was ready to bust some heads, basically, is what
Speaker 2: it sounded like. And he doesn't see anybody. He goes
Speaker 2: the other direction, doesn't see anybody, looks in the woods,
Speaker 2: doesn't see anybody. He's going like, what in the what
Speaker 2: the heck's going on?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 2: And then another minute or two later, another rock comes in,
Speaker 2: and this time it lands about ten feet from his
Speaker 2: girlfriend on the beach, on the sand itself. And this
Speaker 2: rock is about the size of a basketball, is the
Speaker 2: way he explained.
Speaker 3: Oh man, how far did it come from?
Speaker 2: Don't know, don't know, right, So he's thinking like, what,
Speaker 2: oh my, what the heck is this? And he doesn't
Speaker 2: see anybody, and he's going, this is just too weird, man,
Speaker 2: And so they leave. Basically, they leave. They decided to
Speaker 2: get out, and so they start walking out. They cross
Speaker 2: this little stream or whatever in there, and about another
Speaker 2: he said, about another two or three hundred yards after
Speaker 2: that little stream, the stream Cedar Creek right there, which
Speaker 2: is where the hatter is. Two or three hundred yards later,
Speaker 2: as a walking out, they hear a big tree knock
Speaker 2: from behind them, you know, like a real big, loud
Speaker 2: tree knock from behind them in that general zone, and
Speaker 2: he goes, He goes, He's just going, what in the world,
Speaker 2: what is that?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 2: So they go home and they're talking about it. They
Speaker 2: don't know what to think about it. They start looking
Speaker 2: on the internet and asking AI and whatever, and they
Speaker 2: start like, oh my god, a bigfoot? What maybe? Oh
Speaker 2: my god. And so he calls me. He calls the
Speaker 2: shop when I happen to be there, which is a
Speaker 2: cool part. I love the coincidence aspect of that sort
Speaker 2: of thing. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with
Speaker 2: Cliff and Bobo. Will be right back after these messages.
Speaker 2: So he calls me and tells me about the whole thing,
Speaker 2: and then I said, oh, well, shoot, I got to
Speaker 2: get down there that night. I had some work. I'm
Speaker 2: helping my neighbor, my great neighbor, Gary build a shelter
Speaker 2: like a building sort of thing for his mill. So
Speaker 2: I had that took up my afternoon, and we're doing
Speaker 2: the roofing right now of all that. So I was
Speaker 2: down there helping him with all that. But around five
Speaker 2: or six o'clock at night, I know, about four thirty
Speaker 2: or five, actually, I went down there, and I convinced
Speaker 2: Melissa to go too, which is kind of fun. She
Speaker 2: rarely goes out with me because she doesn't like going
Speaker 2: cross country or going bushwhacking or going to swamps, and
Speaker 2: that is generally what I tend to do, it seems.
Speaker 2: But anyway, she came down with me anyway, and we
Speaker 2: went down there and spooked around for a while, and
Speaker 2: you know, I spent about forty five minutes or an
Speaker 2: hour looking around, and then I started focusing on, Okay,
Speaker 2: where could the rocks come from? If I was, you know,
Speaker 2: seven or eight feet tall, maybe maybe i'd put myself
Speaker 2: in that kind of place. And I found a couple
Speaker 2: of maybes. I found some things that may or may
Speaker 2: not be trying. I mean, there were areas of soil
Speaker 2: that were definitely disturbed. I'll go ahead and send these
Speaker 2: to you right now, because I don't think I've done
Speaker 2: that yet. But yeah, pretty interesting stuff. And of course
Speaker 2: since I've opened the museum and started collecting reports locally
Speaker 2: like that, I think there's been five or six now.
Speaker 2: I think it might be the six to one six
Speaker 2: report between you know, Class B stuff like this and
Speaker 2: actual observations of sasquatches between the hatchery and bull Run
Speaker 2: basically you know, which is right right downstream, just like
Speaker 2: a mile or so away.
Speaker 3: Yes, I are an ABC post on that. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Oh, and of course release that new video as well.
Speaker 2: I saw that you commented on the Bobo is of
Speaker 2: course a museum member, and he was nice enough to
Speaker 2: comment on that. I think my museum members get a
Speaker 2: kick out of that, So thank you, Bobo.
Speaker 1: And you and ever are like, oh my god, you
Speaker 1: know Bobo.
Speaker 2: A lot of times they come in and point to
Speaker 2: the sculpt of Bobo's head that Wilsten made us, and
Speaker 2: they say, oh my god, look at that.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So I found four possible tracks. Three of them were
Speaker 2: together about forty two or forty four inches apart, and
Speaker 2: then one of them was about twenty or thirty feet
Speaker 2: away in the general direction. And none of them are
Speaker 2: very good. I just sent you all four of them.
Speaker 2: None of them are very good at all. I'm not
Speaker 2: going to, you know, hype these things up at all.
Speaker 2: But one of them looks pretty okay. One of them
Speaker 2: you can say, oh, that might be something, you know,
Speaker 2: which is the first one I found. And then I
Speaker 2: found one after it, And then I took that measurement
Speaker 2: and taped it back like a tracking stick, you know,
Speaker 2: And that's where I found the other one. So I
Speaker 2: found three consecutive tracks, all about the same size and
Speaker 2: all about the same distance away from each other, and
Speaker 2: then another one twenty or thirty feet away, I guess,
Speaker 2: so interesting stuff. And of course, yeah, sure that happens
Speaker 2: down there. That's one of the things that happens down there.
Speaker 2: They do hear knocks down there. They do occasionally get
Speaker 2: rock throwings in that general area. But it's organ that's
Speaker 2: what happens here. So that's what. That's more or less
Speaker 2: the news I have except for fires man. Are you
Speaker 2: safe from fires?
Speaker 1: Bobo?
Speaker 3: Yeah? We had one. This was like a week and
Speaker 3: a half ago. I was sitting here, and also I've
Speaker 3: seen this smoke just building up and it came forward
Speaker 3: by Polly Live was directly north of me, and I
Speaker 3: called him. I said, dude, what's going on? Because there
Speaker 3: was like a fire truck something next to the fire
Speaker 3: sits they ripping out, and then we started hearing like,
Speaker 3: you know, four or five six helicopters are making runs,
Speaker 3: you know, like getting water from the river. Like, well,
Speaker 3: you know what's going on. I called him and said,
Speaker 3: he goes.
Speaker 1: He didn't.
Speaker 3: He goes, there's a fireing mouse and said the smokelers
Speaker 3: that's coming near you. And he goes went outside and
Speaker 3: lived and saw his neighbor's house was on fire, but
Speaker 3: it didn't spread into the forest, but his poor neighbor
Speaker 3: lost their place.
Speaker 2: Oh no, it's terrible. Yeah, my friends in the Spollcane
Speaker 2: have the it's really bad and Spokecane right now. A
Speaker 2: couple of my friends out there have the fire like
Speaker 2: a half mile from their house at the moment. Yeah,
Speaker 2: scary stuff.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I've seen like the up are you guys?
Speaker 3: Like that whole area there's like olive ore and there's
Speaker 3: been tons of fires.
Speaker 2: Yeah, our friends on the warm Springs Reservation are having
Speaker 2: a really tough time right now. They're starting to take
Speaker 2: collections of food and water and stuff to go donate
Speaker 2: out there in the reservation too. Really, yeah, we're gonna
Speaker 2: be driving up the mountain later today to drop off
Speaker 2: a bunch of food and whatever the supplies for them.
Speaker 2: There's some collection spots up in the mountain, so we're
Speaker 2: gonna be driving up there and giving some stuff away
Speaker 2: for our friends out there.
Speaker 1: We had just gotten a message from a listener named
Speaker 1: Patricia Dyer. I think it's Magnahi Magnahie. I might be
Speaker 1: mispronouncing that, but she had said, Hey, Cliff and bow
Speaker 1: is a hope all as well with you of our
Speaker 1: beautiful Bigfoot Blue Mountains are burning due to multiple wildfires,
Speaker 1: including around Mill Creek Watershed.
Speaker 2: Yeah, inside Milk Creek Watershed, to be exact about it.
Speaker 2: From un understand, there's a paradise fires what they call it.
Speaker 2: That's one of the I was. You know, everybody knows
Speaker 2: I was supposed to go there last week or the
Speaker 2: week before, but I had car trouble and so I
Speaker 2: couldn't get out there or whatever. And it's probably a
Speaker 2: good thing I didn't go because all up on Black
Speaker 2: Snake Ridge, which is just south of Biscuit Ridge, there's
Speaker 2: a much of emergency vehicles, a lot of road closures
Speaker 2: and all that stuff. And then, of course, over by
Speaker 2: a deduct and skyline, there's also a lot of emergency
Speaker 2: vehicles going around. And the last thing I need to
Speaker 2: do is get in their way. They've got way more
Speaker 2: important things to do than look for apes in the
Speaker 2: woods man. So I'm I'm glad it worked out that way,
Speaker 2: But you know, that's how my life usually rolls, is
Speaker 2: plans go awry and then I find out like, oh
Speaker 2: it was for the better. There you go. Well, you know,
Speaker 2: this isn't a catch up episode. This is really more
Speaker 2: of a Q and A episode. Should we jump into
Speaker 2: that sort of stuff for the August Q and A?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I got questions.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we should ask the questions, and our viewers shouldn't
Speaker 2: answer them. Our viewers, our listeners should should answer them.
Speaker 2: My first question is what the hell do you think
Speaker 2: you're doing? Who do you think you are?
Speaker 1: Whoever you are. We do have a few voicemails here
Speaker 1: and quite a few written questions. This will be a
Speaker 1: little bit different format because I'm not able to cut
Speaker 1: and paste the questions, so I'll just have to read
Speaker 1: those out. But we'll start with some of the voicemails,
Speaker 1: going to grab one at random. So let's see what
Speaker 1: this first voicemail is, asking gratings from one of your
Speaker 1: Australian pigeons. I had a work colleague who had an
Speaker 1: encounter on the Snowy River here in Victoria. Snowy River
Speaker 1: is mostly very shallow river with the old date pool
Speaker 1: here and there, and this big foot well Patty st
Speaker 1: across an open sandy flat, looked at him and then
Speaker 1: slipped into the river into one of these deeper pools,
Speaker 1: and that was it. It never came up. And his
Speaker 1: theory was that it had an underground entrance to a
Speaker 1: cave or something. Sadly, this bloke was killed in a
Speaker 1: car accident and this sighting died with him, and I.
Speaker 4: Don't believe he ever officially reported it, but anyway prompted
Speaker 4: my question. I've heard lots of reports about bigfoot in water, swimming,
Speaker 4: et cetera. But what is your favorite or weirdest bigfoot
Speaker 4: water story?
Speaker 3: Love to hear it.
Speaker 4: Thanks fellers, cheers, keep up with great work.
Speaker 3: Well one am I going to think I've wrote that
Speaker 3: is in a song Paul Greves is Jim Henry's song
Speaker 3: about seeing a couple of big foot swim up into
Speaker 3: the lake and they had elk swing in the lake
Speaker 3: and they hearded the elk while swimming, like I actually
Speaker 3: heard the elcheet chased them up to the say they
Speaker 3: wanted him on and yeah, so check that out. Paul
Speaker 3: Greas is Jim Henry Si. It's one of my it's
Speaker 3: my favorite big foot song and one of my favorite
Speaker 3: songs ever. And then there's another ones that lake is
Speaker 3: like claim on the boats in Alaska, people fishing like
Speaker 3: in creeks and snaging them and like I think they
Speaker 3: snagged the log or something, and then all of a
Speaker 3: sudden the sasquatch stands out of a creed. You know
Speaker 3: they're fishing for catfish. There's there's there's several good water ones.
Speaker 1: As a side note, I do I love the idea
Speaker 1: that instead of relating the report, you're like, oh, go
Speaker 1: listen to this song. It just made me think like,
Speaker 1: instead of writing another book, I should just make an
Speaker 1: album of sasquatch or lind information. So if people are like,
Speaker 1: have you ever heard any reports of this, I'm like,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, check out track six.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 2: We just got to report in the museum the other
Speaker 2: day of what having to do with water, and I
Speaker 2: thought it showed some interesting behavior. Apparently somebody saw a
Speaker 2: sasquatch walking in this creek or whatever, and it was
Speaker 2: like scooping water up and throwing it up onto its
Speaker 2: own back as it walked. And I thought that was
Speaker 2: an interesting behavior because clearly, being covered and firm, being
Speaker 2: very very large, would be very very warm to be
Speaker 2: that kind of animal. And you know, that reminds me
Speaker 2: also a moneymaker, and it's time in Ohio where he
Speaker 2: would go up these little draws that fed these larger
Speaker 2: rivers in search of bigfoot stuff, you know, chasing down
Speaker 2: sidings and things. And he told me that he found
Speaker 2: several places, or at least one. At least one, but
Speaker 2: I got the feeling was more than one where a
Speaker 2: sasquatch had apparently been submerging itself in a deeper pool
Speaker 2: in these small, little feeder creeks. And one time he
Speaker 2: did tell me he found a wet footprint on the
Speaker 2: side of one of these as he came up and
Speaker 2: apparently disturbed the animal out of them. Out of this
Speaker 2: little pool thing. So that's why Matt was always on
Speaker 2: fire about these slow moving deep pools in shady ravines,
Speaker 2: especially in Ohio and Pennsylvania where it's super muggy and
Speaker 2: hot and crappy ol all summer. He thinks that that
Speaker 2: that is a strategy for them keeping cool. And that
Speaker 2: new siding that was just it is not a new sighting.
Speaker 2: It happened in the nineties. But the sighting that just
Speaker 2: came into us at the NABC this past weekend about
Speaker 2: the thing splashing water on its back reminded.
Speaker 3: Me of that. Yeah, makes sense, Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there was one that came to mind when I
Speaker 1: heard that question that a friend of mine spoke to
Speaker 1: the witness. So I've only heard it secondhand from the
Speaker 1: friend of mine that spoke to this person, But they
Speaker 1: talked about I think they were deer hunting. They do it,
Speaker 1: some kind of hunting. And so it was November December,
Speaker 1: and I think central Georgia, so still pretty cold, probably
Speaker 1: like in the twenties, thirties, et cetera. And the thing
Speaker 1: had come out and gotten into a pond and very
Speaker 1: cold weather. But the guy said, he said, man, this
Speaker 1: thing moved around in that water and was swimming around
Speaker 1: like it was the fourth of July or something, and
Speaker 1: so it really made me think, man, they must be
Speaker 1: pretty cold tolerant, or there must have been some benefit
Speaker 1: to getting in that water on a cold day like that,
Speaker 1: if the story's true. It was another story that I
Speaker 1: took from a guy who was military personnel at the time.
Speaker 1: I think he was on leave or some sort of
Speaker 1: a break, and he and another individual were hunting on
Speaker 1: Little Tybee Island, which is actually much larger than Tybee Island,
Speaker 1: even though it's called Little Tybee, but it is a
Speaker 1: wildlife refuge there on the coastal portion of Georgia. And
Speaker 1: they had an encounter at night. The thing approached their camp,
Speaker 1: intimidated them, then collapsed their tent with a giant branch
Speaker 1: or log like. It hurled a big heavy branch and
Speaker 1: collapsed their tent and then ran away from them as
Speaker 1: they kind of chased it, and it ran into what
Speaker 1: sort of title marsh and he said it was below
Speaker 1: freezing again, probably in the teens or twenties, low twenties.
Speaker 1: It gives you some insight in just how they are
Speaker 1: certainly built for the cold. You know what I mean,
Speaker 1: I heard somewhere. I don't know this is true, so
Speaker 1: please fact check me out there. I heard somewhere that,
Speaker 1: like you know those feral children stories or whatever from
Speaker 1: the eighteen hundreds and whatever in France and all those places,
Speaker 1: that apparently that these feral children also were not cold sensitive,
Speaker 1: hot nor cold. They just kind of dealt with it
Speaker 1: and didn't They didn't prefer one or the other. Really,
Speaker 1: it's just they were just didn't notice it.
Speaker 3: It lives. Yeah, I read that.
Speaker 1: Have you read that?
Speaker 2: Okay, so that's a something not making that up somehow?
Speaker 3: Good?
Speaker 1: Good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So it makes sense at animals because I mean
Speaker 2: I always thought, like, how Soshi, how could you go
Speaker 2: in that water? It's ridiculous And she never answered me
Speaker 2: because she's a dog.
Speaker 3: Yeah. You know Fred Subarctic Alaska. He has a great
Speaker 3: story with some elders where they were shooting. They were
Speaker 3: shooting at one and it ran and dove into a pond,
Speaker 3: and it came back and attacked like was you know,
Speaker 3: throwing stuff at him, like trying to get him from
Speaker 3: the opposite side. Afterwards. This is like in the nineteen forties,
Speaker 3: but it is pretty good, like it escaped multiple times
Speaker 3: as they were shooting at it, like I think twice.
Speaker 3: I think I think it was twice that it jumped
Speaker 3: into this dove into this pond like like sprinted and
Speaker 3: dove headfirst and disappeared that way. Wow, is a fascinating stuff,
Speaker 3: and you hear it's like it's a it's a crazy one.
Speaker 3: It's one of my favorite ones.
Speaker 1: They give you that question, Paul, So sorry to hear
Speaker 1: about the loss of your friend. But we always love
Speaker 1: a good yaoi story, so thanks for sending that in.
Speaker 2: Super interesting part of the world. I love the AWI stuff.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with
Speaker 2: Cliff and Bogo. Will be right back after these messages.
Speaker 1: So here is the first written question, also from a Paul.
Speaker 1: Paul Roby writes and says, can you.
Speaker 2: Do this in a voice that you imagine Paul to have?
Speaker 1: This one's so positive. I can't really do anything that
Speaker 1: would be a derogatory or that somebody would think would
Speaker 1: be making fun of them, so I'll save it for
Speaker 1: another question.
Speaker 2: I was just kidding anyway. I just thought it'd be funny,
Speaker 2: but go ahead.
Speaker 1: Paul Roby asks, Hello, Clifford, Bobes and Matt. I would
Speaker 1: like to ask how did John Green cover so many reports?
Speaker 1: Even in the Yukon he has two there, and in
Speaker 1: states like North Dakota and South Dakota, or places like
Speaker 1: eastern Montana combined, he has more than I would think
Speaker 1: he could have possibly have gotten at that time. Do
Speaker 1: you have any thoughts on why or how? By the way,
Speaker 1: I love the podcast. It's changed my life.
Speaker 2: We're so sorry about that, and let's it's change it
Speaker 2: for the better. But that's a rare thing.
Speaker 3: Your life was already sucked. Don't blay with us.
Speaker 1: I think we've enriched his life. You know, I think
Speaker 1: back then, some of that stuff probably got pretty widely disseminated,
Speaker 1: some of those writings. I mean, obviously there were the
Speaker 1: men's magazines that would have pointed to that, even though
Speaker 1: Green wasn't really writing articles for those. It would have
Speaker 1: been more like Sanderson and some of those folks. But
Speaker 1: I would just have to imagine that there was enough
Speaker 1: interest in rural places that maybe some of those books
Speaker 1: were carried there. Some of Green's writings, or at least
Speaker 1: some of the things he had written, were published in
Speaker 1: the local papers, such that when people did have sightings
Speaker 1: or encounters and they were looking for someone to reach
Speaker 1: out to, they would have found John Green because you know,
Speaker 1: a lot of that came from correspondence, from people writing
Speaker 1: into him and then maybe he'd get a chance to
Speaker 1: interview them. He did one sort of tour, you know,
Speaker 1: where he drove around the United States, Canada, and the
Speaker 1: United States, interviewing people in person. But a lot of
Speaker 1: that had to be predicated on having already made contact
Speaker 1: in places with witnesses via phone calls or correspondent. So
Speaker 1: I would imagine it would just be people finding a
Speaker 1: way to get in touch with him, because his works
Speaker 1: were some of the only works on the Sasquatch and
Speaker 1: they were out there. But I mean, what do you
Speaker 1: guys take I mean, being on mysterious Monsters and Bigfoot
Speaker 1: Man or beast or Bigfoot Man Beast did in search
Speaker 1: out you know, there's so many ways that his name
Speaker 1: was put out into the world where people could have
Speaker 1: found him. I would guess by a certain time at least, well.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was.
Speaker 2: It was a much more literate time as well. Keep
Speaker 2: that in mind people actually read back then and him
Speaker 2: publishing what three books by nineteen seventy two or three
Speaker 2: or something like that. Those made their way out there,
Speaker 2: and of course he hoofed it.
Speaker 1: He did.
Speaker 2: He put us boots on the ground and got those
Speaker 2: things in the libraries, and other libraries heard about it,
Speaker 2: and libraries started carrying books on this subject, and that
Speaker 2: helped a lot. I mean, I remember reading John Green
Speaker 2: books in my local library and El Dorado Park in
Speaker 2: Long Beach, California. There were John Green books in the
Speaker 2: nineteen seventies when I was there as a six or
Speaker 2: eight year old boy checking out books on weird things.
Speaker 2: So the books helped a lot, of course. And of
Speaker 2: course he did write, and he was like the editor
Speaker 2: or owner of the newspaper in Harrison or whatever it
Speaker 2: was that he probably did publish some articles there, and
Speaker 2: some of those might have been distributed on ap newswire
Speaker 2: or something like that on slow news stays, just like
Speaker 2: the Jerry Crue article got distributed. But also you met
Speaker 2: you did mention that tour. He did take a tour
Speaker 2: of the United States and Canada, visiting people that he'd
Speaker 2: been corresponding with and probably dicking up new reports along
Speaker 2: the way. Because he talked to one witness they say, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: my other neighbor he saw one too, or whatever, and
Speaker 2: so one thing leads to another word of mouth. But
Speaker 2: also keep in mind, and I don't have the exact number,
Speaker 2: but by the time John Green published the book that
Speaker 2: was the result of that cross continent tour Apes among Us,
Speaker 2: that's the book that resulted from that effort, he had
Speaker 2: something on the terms, and I think it was like
Speaker 2: seventeen hundred reports, which really isn't that many by today's standard.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's a lot, especially when you think of
Speaker 2: the context where he was working that time period, and
Speaker 2: also a word of mouth and handwritten letters sent by
Speaker 2: snail mail back and forth to each other and that
Speaker 2: sort of thing. That is a tremendous, herculean effort and
Speaker 2: a wonderful result for it. But at the end of
Speaker 2: the day, seventeen hundred reports is a drop in a
Speaker 2: pond at this point, so it's not that big of
Speaker 2: it would not be that big of a database at
Speaker 2: this point in time. Back then, it was ridiculous off
Speaker 2: the charts, but nowadays it's not that big of a database.
Speaker 2: So it's good to keep that the context of what
Speaker 2: time period. It's good to keep that in mind.
Speaker 1: I would guess too, that he did have somewhat of
Speaker 1: a network of other researchers around the country. I mean
Speaker 1: even references. You know Lauren Coleman, who at that time
Speaker 1: was in southern Illinois, who was taking reports and fording
Speaker 1: those to Green. And obviously the guys that formed the
Speaker 1: Bay Area group were fording. You know, there was a
Speaker 1: bit of a network and some communication and exchange of reports.
Speaker 1: So there might have been someone in those aforementioned regions
Speaker 1: that Paul asked about who was collecting those reports and
Speaker 1: then fording those on to Green.
Speaker 2: Oh, I know for a fact there was. I have
Speaker 2: the papers actually I have, like Barbara Wasawson was part
Speaker 2: of that group of researchers that were out, you know,
Speaker 2: looking around for him. See what John Green did back
Speaker 2: in the day, and this is the early seventies. If
Speaker 2: I understand the historical papers that I have, and I
Speaker 2: actually have copies in doctor Meldrum's collection as well that
Speaker 2: reflect the same thing. John Green would have a loose
Speaker 2: knit group of researchers all throughout the continent that he
Speaker 2: would correspond with and his directions to them. And I
Speaker 2: had the letters somewhere. I got to dig that out
Speaker 2: His directions to them was like, okay, if you if
Speaker 2: you hear a report or a footprint find or anything
Speaker 2: you know bigfoot related, write a short synopsis of it,
Speaker 2: a summary of it on a three x five card,
Speaker 2: where and when and who or whatever ination you have,
Speaker 2: and then send it to me. And then what it
Speaker 2: seems was happening is that once a month or so,
Speaker 2: John Green would take all of those three by five
Speaker 2: cards and lay them out on a eight and a
Speaker 2: half by eleven piece of paper, and I guess xeroxim
Speaker 2: I mean copy machines didn't Some sort of copy machine
Speaker 2: existed at that point. I don't know what it was
Speaker 2: because I remember the blue ink ones that you had
Speaker 2: to do or rolling thing on. Yeah, I remember that
Speaker 2: stuff from elementary school because it smelled good. But that's
Speaker 2: I don't know what else, what other technology they had
Speaker 2: at the time, but there was something going on, because
Speaker 2: once a month or so, John Green would take all
Speaker 2: of the submissions from the previous month or so from
Speaker 2: all this wide variety of researcher out there, Barbara Wasson
Speaker 2: or whoever else, and then send it to everybody who contributed.
Speaker 2: So it's like the very earliest inkling seed sort of
Speaker 2: thing of a BFRO style database. So, and I've got
Speaker 2: all sorts of three by five cards with sightings on them,
Speaker 2: and I've got these copied papers with all these sighting
Speaker 2: reports on them from all these other people. It's a
Speaker 2: very very interesting snapshot of a very low tech way
Speaker 2: of a siting report database.
Speaker 4: It's super cool.
Speaker 1: I'd have to reread the book to see if he
Speaker 1: mentions who his contacts are in those states, you know,
Speaker 1: the Dakotas and Montana, Wyoming, et cetera, because usually he
Speaker 1: does give credit, you know, in at least apes among
Speaker 1: us as to you know, who he's meeting up with
Speaker 1: in those places or who's forwarding the reports. That's how
Speaker 1: I heard about so many of the other researchers that
Speaker 1: I looked into from that era were their references and
Speaker 1: apes among us.
Speaker 2: But before we go on, I just turned around in
Speaker 2: my I'm in my office right now, that's where I
Speaker 2: do the podcast from, and I just turned around and
Speaker 2: grabbed a stack of papers because I have some of
Speaker 2: these papers right here in front of me. So I'm
Speaker 2: looking now, and this is in the early seventies, this
Speaker 2: is the late seventies.
Speaker 1: I just have.
Speaker 2: I'm going to grab a random page in here. This
Speaker 2: is a random enough page. It has one, two, three, four,
Speaker 2: five siding reports on one side. The first one, it says,
Speaker 2: says Ramona Hibner, two girls, Laurel, Florida, January seventeenth, nineteen
Speaker 2: seventy six. Camping in a pasture. Girls saw large creature
Speaker 2: covered with hair from head to foot, long, dark hair
Speaker 2: hung over large shiny green eyes. It was hunched over,
Speaker 2: ran away upright, waddling when aware it was being observed.
Speaker 2: That's one of the five reports. Next one says Greg Mastell,
Speaker 2: Game Guide, Tobacco Root Mountains near Ennis, Montana, October nineteen
Speaker 2: seventy six, with two clients hunting and mountains, saw two
Speaker 2: upright figures and clearing about one hundred yards away. Both
Speaker 2: looked about eight to nine feet tall, one coal black,
Speaker 2: the other black with a white streak on its back.
Speaker 2: They took photos which Greg has not seen. And this
Speaker 2: just goes on and on on and on and on
Speaker 2: and on.
Speaker 3: Those water ones, I'm sure those are the females could be.
Speaker 1: I'd love to sift through those, especially for any if
Speaker 1: there are any Southeastern states you know in Georgia, Tennessee, Alabama,
Speaker 1: the Carolina is that sort of thing, dude.
Speaker 2: I'm holding two stapled packets together. Each of the staple
Speaker 2: packets is over a quarter of an inch thick.
Speaker 3: I gotta come back up there and it would be cool,
Speaker 3: I prove. So, aren't you like just going through your files?
Speaker 3: We could get so many episodes out of just going
Speaker 3: through the files and point out cool stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, it's endless in here. It's endless. So anyway, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I just happened to turn around and they were there.
Speaker 2: So these are all John Green things that were sent
Speaker 2: to Barbara Watson because she was part of that project.
Speaker 2: Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo.
Speaker 2: Will be right back after these messages.
Speaker 1: So here is your next voicemail.
Speaker 5: Hey, Cliff and Bobo, it's Chum and big Z from
Speaker 5: Central Pennsylvania. We've been having a lot of action over
Speaker 5: here by the Appalachian Mountains. I just wanted to ask you,
Speaker 5: what do you guys think about the Ohio Hole's filmed
Speaker 5: by Matt Moneymaker. I think they're probably fake and he
Speaker 5: just did it to get attention, But what do you
Speaker 5: guys think? All right, Peace out, keep squatchy, thanks.
Speaker 3: Ovis is this Collins ignorant fool?
Speaker 1: I think what Matt would say to that is your inferior.
Speaker 1: You're a nobody, You've never done anything, Shut up and
Speaker 1: go away. I personally do not think that they're fake,
Speaker 1: because I've heard that sound myself with my own ears
Speaker 1: eleven different times across the continent. I went through all
Speaker 1: my field notes, Like when I was writing the book,
Speaker 1: I had a section about vocalizations, and obviously I focused
Speaker 1: quite a bit on recordings and analyses of recordings of
Speaker 1: those big moaning houses, and so I went through all
Speaker 1: my field notes to jot down the number of times
Speaker 1: I'd heard it, like in which states, So I can
Speaker 1: tell you for sure there's some animal in North America
Speaker 1: that makes that sound. Now, I've never seen a sasquatch,
Speaker 1: and I haven't seen a sasquatch making that sound, but
Speaker 1: I've heard that sound does occur out in nature. I
Speaker 1: do not think Matt fake those.
Speaker 3: No, I've heard the same thing like you've heard all
Speaker 3: over the country. One thing I have noticed it seems
Speaker 3: that they have shortened them. And I don't know if
Speaker 3: that's response to people doing those all over the you know,
Speaker 3: Cottina or or what. But it seems like the ones
Speaker 3: I've heard in more recent years are shorter. So many other.
Speaker 1: People have recorded him too, I mean I think about
Speaker 1: those Trent West Virginia howes. Sometimes they're referred to as
Speaker 1: the Bruno West Virginia hows There's a great example from Mississippi.
Speaker 1: There's some that Kirk Brandenburg recorded from southern Washington. There's
Speaker 1: other ones from Ohio that other BFRO people recorded.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's another one from that same almost that same
Speaker 2: general area in Ohio that was just released a couple
Speaker 2: of years ago, like two years ago. That's on the
Speaker 2: BFRORO side. I mean, that wasn't anywhere Matt wasn't in
Speaker 2: the state when that was when that happened.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's one from North Georgia that I'm aware of,
Speaker 1: from I think circa twenty ten. I mean, there's there's
Speaker 1: many that. Obviously, if if sasquatches exist and they make
Speaker 1: that sound, which obviously believe they do, that's going to
Speaker 1: be the sort of sound that's the easiest to hear
Speaker 1: and record because it's the loudest sound they make, and
Speaker 1: so it's not as dependent on proximity as quiet sounds would.
Speaker 1: Be or as a visual observation would be. So if
Speaker 1: they're generating all sorts of sounds, obviously the loudest ones
Speaker 1: will carry the farthest, and that's the one that you
Speaker 1: would be the most likely to hear because you don't
Speaker 1: have to be close to it, and that's going to
Speaker 1: be the kind of sound that you're most likely to record.
Speaker 1: I mean, Chris Spencer's recorded examples of that, NAWAC has
Speaker 1: recorded examples of.
Speaker 2: That on their I've recorded one of that, the status
Speaker 2: Laus How And how.
Speaker 1: Many witnesses have you heard that? You've played that, Ohio
Speaker 1: How and they're like, oh, yeah, that's what I heard.
Speaker 1: Or Man, I can't tell you how many times. Personally,
Speaker 1: I used to ride around with a CD. Now I
Speaker 1: have it all on my phone, but I used to
Speaker 1: have a CD that I burned like a CDR of
Speaker 1: sasquatch sounds, and I would keep it in the car
Speaker 1: in the forerunner, and many times if I was out
Speaker 1: in the woods and ran into people, you know, I'd
Speaker 1: strike up a conversation and you know, start asking like
Speaker 1: if we're seen or heard anything usual out here. Most
Speaker 1: people have not seen a sasquatch, but many times I'd
Speaker 1: say if you ever heard this, and I would play
Speaker 1: that sound father, Oh yeah, I've heard that, Like, well,
Speaker 1: what do you think that is that?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 1: I don't know. I just thought it was a you know,
Speaker 1: fill in the bank. I thought it was a panther,
Speaker 1: or thought it was this, or thought it was that.
Speaker 1: But a lot of people that I've talked to spontaneously
Speaker 1: claim to have heard that sound in the woods at
Speaker 1: some point.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's funny. I think the most common when people
Speaker 3: can I think the most componentness is like big cat,
Speaker 3: you know, like it sounds more like a like when
Speaker 3: people send you like recordings that they have that they
Speaker 3: can't identify, it's usually kyos. But when they when they're
Speaker 3: talking about like something like like like you said that,
Speaker 3: I've played sounds for people hundreds of times, you know,
Speaker 3: like witnesses, and they say, oh, yeah, so I heard,
Speaker 3: And the lot ones say what I could have I
Speaker 3: thought it was a big cat? Would they send in
Speaker 3: what they record and send it? It's usually a kyo?
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And I understand the the oh, the tendency for people
Speaker 2: to jump at accusing Matt of hoaxing things because he
Speaker 2: is enthusiastic and he is a high profile bigfoot person
Speaker 2: and all that sort of stuff. But I've known that
Speaker 2: for a long time, and I do not I don't
Speaker 2: peg him as a hoaxer, you know, I really don't,
Speaker 2: oh yeah, at all. And I know him pretty well
Speaker 2: better than most anybody else. Really. You know, there's a
Speaker 2: handful of people that know Matt as well as I do.
Speaker 2: Bobo is one, and there's a few others, a few others,
Speaker 2: not very many.
Speaker 4: Though.
Speaker 2: Matt is a really private person, and even though he
Speaker 2: knows a lot of people, he doesn't have wide circles
Speaker 2: of friends. But I'm one of them. I'm a friend
Speaker 2: of Matt, and I'm not necessarily coming to his defense
Speaker 2: in this case because he's a friend. I'm coming to
Speaker 2: his defense because I think that's a widely misunderstood thing
Speaker 2: about Matt. And I mean I say it all the time.
Speaker 2: I talk about bigfoot kind of for a living, you know,
Speaker 2: as part of my living, I talk about sasquatches, just
Speaker 2: like Matt does. And when you are involved in the
Speaker 2: bigfoot thing and you or asked for your opinion or
Speaker 2: thoughts or conclusions about sasquatches, You're going to be wrong
Speaker 2: kind of a lot. And that's just one of the
Speaker 2: things that you have to deal with if you're a
Speaker 2: one of the very few professionals, so to speak, in
Speaker 2: this field. I mean when I say professional, I don't
Speaker 2: mean that that we're amazing at it. I mean that's
Speaker 2: kind of what we do for a living. So I
Speaker 2: understand the tendency or the inclination to wanted to say that.
Speaker 2: I think he hoaxed it because of whatever reason or
Speaker 2: very often is his personality, because he has such a
Speaker 2: strong type of personality and that rubs some other people
Speaker 2: the wrong way. But don't I don't. I know Matt
Speaker 2: better than most. Like I said, I just do not
Speaker 2: see him as a hoaxer at all. And if Matt
Speaker 2: tells me something, I listen very closely because whether you
Speaker 2: like the guy or not, that doesn't even matter. I
Speaker 2: happen to like the guy, but a lot of people don't,
Speaker 2: I understand. But he does know an awful lot about
Speaker 2: the subject, the people and the animals.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think people confuse, or at least they
Speaker 1: put the cart before the horse in some cases, or
Speaker 1: put the chicken in the egg in the wrong order.
Speaker 1: If someone does get attention and so then they'll they'll say, oh, well,
Speaker 1: they only do that to get attention. It's like, well, no,
Speaker 1: they got attention because they were already doing that. So
Speaker 1: people that tend to do good work and publish good
Speaker 1: work oftentimes gather attention because people go, oh, that's interesting,
Speaker 1: tell me more. And then you could look and retrospectively
Speaker 1: or retroactively say oh, well they only did that for
Speaker 1: the attention. It's like no, no, no, that's you're in the
Speaker 1: wrong order. The reason that the attention came is because
Speaker 1: the work was good. And so I think this is
Speaker 1: one of those cases that it was not that he
Speaker 1: did the work solely for the attention. It's that he
Speaker 1: was doing the work in almost solitude and quietly for
Speaker 1: a long time and eventually just gathered attention because people
Speaker 1: were interested in it.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I guess that's the natural inclination of our influencer world now,
Speaker 2: where people and so some people enter the bigfoot world
Speaker 2: to get attention. Yes, you know a lot of people,
Speaker 2: it seems to me, but that's the wrong order. You
Speaker 2: should do it because you love it, and then good
Speaker 2: things will come. If that's and I kind of wish
Speaker 2: I didn't have any attention, but that's you know, my
Speaker 2: living kind of depends on people knowing about the museum
Speaker 2: and all that sort of stuff for the podcast. If
Speaker 2: I had my way, if I could do it differently
Speaker 2: and still make a living, I would be happy that
Speaker 2: nobody ever heard my name and I could just be
Speaker 2: doing this quietly by myself somewhere. But that's just not
Speaker 2: the way things are from my allies.
Speaker 1: So, and I know this listener sent in a few
Speaker 1: voicemails over the last year and seems to be pretty
Speaker 1: active there in Pennsylvania. So I would just say, I
Speaker 1: totally understand your reserv You should always have reservations and
Speaker 1: be skeptical about, you know, any evidence look into it.
Speaker 1: But I would suspect you keep doing what you're doing
Speaker 1: there in Pennsylvania and those areas, and you're eventually going
Speaker 1: to hear that sound yourself and then you go, okay, well,
Speaker 1: you know, whatever the case may be, there's some animal
Speaker 1: out there that's making those sounds, and that recording happens
Speaker 1: to be a good example of it. So let me
Speaker 1: grab I'll grab two more. I think there's two that
Speaker 1: are good closers, so we'll give them both equal time.
Speaker 1: But our listener, Scott Peterson asks Cliff, Bobo and Matt
Speaker 1: as Bigfoot researchers, what's on your bucket list that you
Speaker 1: have not had a chance to do yet?
Speaker 2: Film one? I think that's a I'd love that full
Speaker 2: daylight observation one for a minute or two. But if
Speaker 2: I could film one, that'd be cool because I could
Speaker 2: relive that observation over and over and over again, maybe
Speaker 2: learn something from it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would say seeing one is on that list,
Speaker 1: I guess in terms of something more practical, because I
Speaker 1: can't control whether or not ever see one. There are
Speaker 1: certain places that I would love to go. You know.
Speaker 1: Speaking to money Maker, he brought my attention to a
Speaker 1: place years ago. I think he ended up publishing an
Speaker 1: article about it on the bfro's website. But there's a
Speaker 1: little subset of mountains. I think it's considered like Sky
Speaker 1: Island Mountains that's in northern Nevada on the Nevada Idaho
Speaker 1: border called the Jarbadge Mountains, and Jarbadge is a sort
Speaker 1: of anglicized version of an Indigenous word that's Shahabits, which
Speaker 1: means something like the monster and the canyon or the
Speaker 1: creature that lurks in the canyon. Or something like that.
Speaker 1: But despite being Nevada. You know, I'll post some videos
Speaker 1: in the show notes so you guys can see. They're
Speaker 1: really beautiful, forested mountains, a lot of water. I think
Speaker 1: the nearest town's like four hours away. There's one there
Speaker 1: is a town of Jarbage, but it's like a single
Speaker 1: gas station with a single pump and just like maybe
Speaker 1: a dozen people that live there. It's pretty remote, but
Speaker 1: there are reports. I've read and seen reports from there.
Speaker 1: People do occasionally go in there, specifically to look for sasquatches,
Speaker 1: but I think that's been pretty few and far between.
Speaker 1: But it seems to be a place with a long
Speaker 1: history that extends into indigenous traditions. There are modern witnesses.
Speaker 1: It's in the middle of nowhere. It looks gorgeous. It
Speaker 1: just seems like it'd be a really singular experience in
Speaker 1: the Lower forty eight. Besides, what's that other giant wilderness?
Speaker 1: Is it Bob Marshall, the one that's the biggest roadless
Speaker 1: wilderness now?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, I think that's in Montana.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is.
Speaker 1: Kind of like one of those places that Jarbage area.
Speaker 1: So that's always been a big bucket list for me,
Speaker 1: just because it's so unique, So that's what I'll go with.
Speaker 3: Ah, there's so many Well, yeah, obviously film one and
Speaker 3: then I guess in the same breath, see a good
Speaker 3: daylight setting or a great sighting under like good lighting conditions,
Speaker 3: like I extended, not just a glimpse, but like actually
Speaker 3: see like the face and facial features and expression and
Speaker 3: muscles moving like that'd be awesome as long as it's
Speaker 3: moving away from me.
Speaker 2: Wiseley said, stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with
Speaker 2: Cliff and Bobo will be right back after these messages, So.
Speaker 1: This will probably be a good one to end on.
Speaker 1: I know we've touched on this sort of thing before,
Speaker 1: but it's been a while, and always want to try
Speaker 1: to cater to to some degree the up and comers.
Speaker 1: And so this last question comes from James Reid, and
Speaker 1: he says, Hey, guys, I'm James, a high schooler on
Speaker 1: the east side of South Dakota. I've always believed in Bigfoot,
Speaker 1: and I've become a lot more more interested in the
Speaker 1: subject because of your podcast. But I've always wondered where
Speaker 1: do I start in terms of researching what resources would
Speaker 1: be helpful to me to learn more about the subject,
Speaker 1: and how do I start contributing? Thank you for putting
Speaker 1: on such a great podcast.
Speaker 3: Well, for the first thing, you're doing the right thing.
Speaker 3: Listening to this podcast is the best thing you can do.
Speaker 1: Starting with amen, I would disagree, Well, if you enter
Speaker 1: the online space, where else are you going to? You know,
Speaker 1: this is sort of like the it's a roadmap books?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I wouldn't. I don't think the online space is
Speaker 2: the best entry point.
Speaker 1: It's not. But like, if you're a young person and
Speaker 1: you're putting a toe in there, where are you going
Speaker 1: to go? Search bigfoot books? Good luck, because you're going
Speaker 1: to find you're going to find fifty gazillion results, and
Speaker 1: ninety percent of those are going to be AI written
Speaker 1: self published things on Amazon. So how do you discern?
Speaker 1: Like you have to have some sort of a guide.
Speaker 1: And I think, at least for myself, that's what I
Speaker 1: try to do, try to be is like, hey, we're
Speaker 1: in this lanelandscape. It's fairly unmapped. I mean, we've got
Speaker 1: some great cartographers over time to extend the metaphor, you know,
Speaker 1: John Green Krantz, on and on and on, but for
Speaker 1: today is like, well I got to find some voice.
Speaker 1: I can trust to help guide me through this landscape,
Speaker 1: to say, hey, there's a pit over there, a lot
Speaker 1: of people fall into it. You don't want to fall
Speaker 1: into that. Trust me over here, there's a good watering source,
Speaker 1: et cetera. So I do think this is a good
Speaker 1: starting point because we are constantly pointing towards like, yeah,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of books. Here are our recommended ones,
Speaker 1: you know, James, I could point you to our book
Speaker 1: recommendations episode, or we say like, here's the researchers whose
Speaker 1: voices we trust, we think do good work. Or we
Speaker 1: try to highlight the witnesses that we think are insightful
Speaker 1: and credible and reliable, and on and on. So I
Speaker 1: do think it's a good starting point because otherwise you
Speaker 1: could stumble into a gazillion different traps that are indistinguishable
Speaker 1: from reliable resources.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: Okay, well that is definitely true, because we're not going
Speaker 2: to steer you wrong. We're always is going to tell
Speaker 2: you the truth, and we're not going to sensatialize anything.
Speaker 2: And if you listen long enough to the I don't
Speaker 2: know even know how many episode what episode is this, Matt, I.
Speaker 1: Think this is going to be episode three? Hundred and
Speaker 1: seventy nine.
Speaker 3: Wow. Geez.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you listen to us long enough, there's gonna
Speaker 2: be a lot of interesting tidbits to pull out. So yeah,
Speaker 2: maybe we are a good map, a map to the
Speaker 2: territory of where you should be looking. We don't spend
Speaker 2: a lot of time talking about where you shouldn't be going.
Speaker 2: I don't think we talked about generalities, but there's a
Speaker 2: lot of specifics, and that's not really our thing. If
Speaker 2: you want a gossip, you can go to Facebook, I guess,
Speaker 2: but that would be something I would point out, is
Speaker 2: that mini online resources. And I guess maybe some podcasts.
Speaker 2: I don't really know, because everybody knows. I don't listen
Speaker 2: to bigfoot podcasts. I don't really watch Bigfoot documentaries. I
Speaker 2: don't watch Bigfoot TV or anything like that. But I'm
Speaker 2: guessing that a lot of the stuff, from what I
Speaker 2: see online on the social media is more or less
Speaker 2: talking about the people. So I would recommend that anybody
Speaker 2: coming into this field, whoever, whoever you're going to, whoever
Speaker 2: you're going to for a source of information, make sure
Speaker 2: that they're talking about the animals, not the people.
Speaker 3: That's that's that's the biggest one right there.
Speaker 2: People come up like oh, this guy has a siding
Speaker 2: report or this this person received a siding report. That's fine,
Speaker 2: but people is the people should not be the focus.
Speaker 2: They should be a side detail legendum.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I I do kind of feel like
Speaker 1: that's the responsibility, the obligation. But also the opportunity is like, well,
Speaker 1: we get a chance to talk to each other. People listen,
Speaker 1: and so the opportunity here is like, well, hey, here's
Speaker 1: the things that we're the most interested in, that we
Speaker 1: learn the most from, that we get the most excited
Speaker 1: about because we think there's something really to it. And
Speaker 1: so that that does kind of at least serve the
Speaker 1: purpose of hopefully being a guide for people who are
Speaker 1: new to this subject to say like where should I look,
Speaker 1: what should I be reading? What should I be digging into?
Speaker 1: And so again we did on the Patreon side, we
Speaker 1: did a long sort of like book recommendations list that
Speaker 1: I re released on this feed for regular listeners. And
Speaker 1: then we've done a couple. I think we did one
Speaker 1: episode that was pretty lengthy called so you want to
Speaker 1: be a Squatcher that was devoted exactly to this question, like,
Speaker 1: so you're new to this. You want to get started,
Speaker 1: here's here's some tips and guidelines. Maybe I can get
Speaker 1: that released on the main feed at some point, but
Speaker 1: just peppered throughout the previous three hundred and seventy plus
Speaker 1: episodes on this main show, there's a lot of recommendations
Speaker 1: and highlighting of news articles and books and papers and
Speaker 1: classic cases and researchers and on and on and on.
Speaker 1: So it's so hard at this point to say, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: go listen to these five episodes, because it's more like, yeah,
Speaker 1: go listen to any episode and there will be some
Speaker 1: suggestion somewhere, because you know, the only thing we like
Speaker 1: more than finding something that gets us fired up is
Speaker 1: telling you folks, you listeners about it. You know, we
Speaker 1: love talking about the things that we've learned from or
Speaker 1: the things that we're learning. So there's a lot of
Speaker 1: that over the last set and a half years basically
Speaker 1: of this podcast.
Speaker 3: You know, look at it. I was just looking at
Speaker 3: Jarbadge on the on the map, like I've totally I
Speaker 3: totally know that place is. I wanted to go there
Speaker 3: for the longest time. I've watched all the YouTube videos
Speaker 3: on it, and like when people go in there and
Speaker 3: they drave because it's so that's the most isolated town
Speaker 3: like in the lower forty eight.
Speaker 1: I guess yeah, and it's just a cool neat little town.
Speaker 3: And but I remember watching that going like, there's that's
Speaker 3: gotta be such good squatch how type because you know,
Speaker 3: so much of the year it's so dry. There's not
Speaker 3: gonna be like a ton of me. There's the river,
Speaker 3: but I'm not sure how much that flows you around,
Speaker 3: but there's gotta be like springs or something that it's
Speaker 3: gonna be just you know, like a really high probability
Speaker 3: of a squatch hitting that spring. You know.
Speaker 1: I would be great to talk to John Maintinski about it,
Speaker 1: because even just the Wikipedia entry says that Jarbage is
Speaker 1: the name derived from the Shoshone language meaning devil. Natives
Speaker 1: believe the nearby hills were haunted, But some of the
Speaker 1: more in depth like etymological writings that I read online
Speaker 1: said it it meant something like the thing that lurks
Speaker 1: in the canyon or the creature that lurks in the canyon,
Speaker 1: something like that, but that it's given that it's of
Speaker 1: Shoshone origin. I bet Manzinski would have something to say
Speaker 1: about that. But there are modern reports that are pretty compelling.
Speaker 1: I remember reading a few that were submitted to the
Speaker 1: BFROS database when I was a member, But maybe that's
Speaker 1: what it turned Matt onto it. I just remember Matt
Speaker 1: bringing up to me and I'd never heard of it before,
Speaker 1: and this was probably like twenty ten or something like that,
Speaker 1: twenty eleven, and then ever since then, it's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a bucket list spot for sure.
Speaker 3: Have you watched those videos on the town?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I've seen a number of videos where people
Speaker 1: go in there. I think I think the closest place
Speaker 1: you could fly into is Salt Lake City. I think
Speaker 1: that would be the best place to fly into and
Speaker 1: either in a vehicle or you know, if you had
Speaker 1: access to a vehicle and then drive in. But you
Speaker 1: got a lot of people carry in their own gas
Speaker 1: and then they refuel it that there's one gas station
Speaker 1: in town that's just one pump, and they'll fill up
Speaker 1: multiple cans to be able to explore the mountains, because
Speaker 1: again it's like four hours to the next town from Jarbage,
Speaker 1: the four hours to the next place that has any
Speaker 1: sort of amenities, gas, food, whatever, So just seems like
Speaker 1: could be a real as close to like a real
Speaker 1: adventure as you could get in the lower forty eight
Speaker 1: pretty much. But I digress. That should be it for
Speaker 1: the August twenty twenty six Q and A. And then
Speaker 1: we have a pile of questions from our beloved members
Speaker 1: the pigeons there to get to so people can join
Speaker 1: us over there or even this young listener, you know,
Speaker 1: if you're interested in more recommendations, more like tips for
Speaker 1: beginning bigfooters, because I love alliteration. There's a lot of
Speaker 1: that on that side too. But anyway, we can jump
Speaker 1: to those questions and if, as always, if you're interested
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Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, folks, Well that's it for this week.
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