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Speaker 2: Now, for you lefties out there, you're probably it and
we appreciate you listening. It is astounding how many folks
on the left listen to WBT. It's a diverse audience,
clearly a lot of viewpoints across the ideological spectrum. You're
gonna like part of this because what Tom Tillis did.
What the senator, the retiring senator from North Carolina. He's
not just going out quietly into that good night. He's
setting the bridge on fire. He's chopping the house down,
He's scorching the earth. You you name it to Tom Tales,
who I've known for many years, I having known him
since he was a counselman in the town of Cornelius.
I'm I wish I could say I was overly astounded.
I'm just amazed that someone who reached the pinnacle of
political success, you know, who went from town councilman to
North Carolina House to North count of House speaker, who
was known to be pragmatic and measured in many ways
to the iron consternation of many conservatives, who rises to
the level, you know, defeats k Hagen, goes into the
Senate and survives not one term but defensive set in
reelection was which is kind of a ultimate tale of success.
He's always been less likely to be the conservative person
out there on on the edge of it. He's Leslie's
not going to be the guy that runs out and
says we need to cut Texas. He's not the guy
that runs out we need to defend property rights. Now,
he may vote that way, and his voting record is
center right, it's not ultimate left. But when he did
the interview with Jake Tapper, and you heard a little
bit of that in the news broadcast. You heard a
little bit of that in the broadcast, I mean the
news break there with Brandon. This is where he just
this is a and in tow I'm going to tell you.
This isn't inadvertent, this isn't accidental. This is an intentional
desire to hurt the president. Whereas Rand Paul I heard
an interview with Ran Paul yesterday and Ran Paul, Senator
from Kentucky, the guy the other senator who voted against
the big beautiful bill, the Republican that did. Democrats were
in lockstep. You know, Trump, I don't know, could heal
cancer and they'd vote against him. So but Rand Paul
had voted against it, largely an ideological stance he has
taken since his time in DC. And he was very
friendly to the president. He says, hey, if they go
about cutting spending and cutting debt and deficits, that they
do these things, I'll vote for it every time. And
then he went on to talk about They asked about
his golf handicap, how good he was at golf, and
he talked about being almost as good as the president
has a ten handed. He's very friendly and amicable to
the president. Tom Tillis is not there is an ideological
there's not even I don't know what Tom Tillis's ideological
rudder is. I think it's if there was a political
ideology called pragmatism, that's it. So whatever gets you across
the finish line. In his words, it's not too far
left or right. He's okay with kind of fair to Middland.
But here's I want to read parts of that interview
before Tom Tillis. This is from CNN, by the way,
that's where he chose to throw the president under the bus,
where he chose to stake out his brand new So
going into the sunset, I don't know that Democrats are
not going to hail him. The Republicans certainly. I don't
know where he wants to be and retire, you know
much revile. I don't know, there's no I don't get it.
But before he bucked his own party and voted against
Trump's agenda last week, he warned, he warned the president
how its toxic political ripple effect could wipe out Congress.
Now we'll see if Tillis's now. Tillis is not looking
at the maps of Texas, he's not looking at the
maps of Florida. He's not looking at a lot of
the maps that are out there that actually do favor
of the Republicans. I don't think it'll be a red wave,
but I think the Republicans have a better than even
chance if the President doesn't stumble on this Epstein stuff,
which we will talk about more. As I told the President,
he said, if we don't get this right, he's probably
going to have two of the most miserable years of
his life if Democrats take the gavel in the House.
I would say the first term were some of the
most miserable years. And the four years of Biden dragging
him through court and getting him mugshots and trumping up
charges against Trump. I think those were pretty miserable years.
Two years of a lame duck presidency, you know, stay
making out the ground and preparing the next person to
be president. I don't think he'll be that terrible. But
Tom Tillis is Tom Tillis. I'm trying to avoid that.
In other words, but for me, the president would be fine.
So he was with a Jake Tapper. I told the President.
This is the second time he said I told the president.
The first was I told the President, we don't get
it right. I told the President, I really do believe
this could be his Obamacare, talking about the big beautiful bill. Now,
what Tillis omits to discuss is there's a reconciliation that's
likely to take place in the fall, and another one
in the spring. So it's gonna be a lot of
dialing in and affirming these things, Tillis said. The sweeping
tax and spending cuts without Tillis's but I think it's
politically just devastating. The plane spoken, according to I don't
know that the CNN would ever call any Republican plane spoken,
But now that you're going after Trump, he is. He's
the guy the plane spoke in North Carolina. He was
clear about who he blames for the details of Trump's
domestic policy law, repeatedly repeatedly calling out unnamed White House
staffers that he said failed to grasp the real life
consequences of the new policy, particularly the spending cuts to Medicaid.
By the way, I looked at the spending cuts to Medicaid.
So if they're not spending cuts, the cuts in the
rate of growth. Till Us didn't say that, but that's
what they are. So Medicaid will continue to expand. It's
just it's this apologist way of being which provides healthcare
to millions of low income Americans. Those adviser, he said,
are the biggest risks of Trump's legacy that we declined
to name anybody. I don't have a problem with Trump.
I got a problem with some of the people I
consider to be amateurs advising him now, to be fair,
some of the most experienced people in the country, both
in business and policy or advisors. So I wish he
would name them. I think they're all bad. I won't
name who they are. I want to make it very
clear to them when you act like the president when
he's out of the room, you don't impress me. Till listen, now,
the irony of that that, the irony of what he
says there is not lost on me. Because we had
a president who was elected depending on your perspective, Biden,
who we don't know who was in charge. We know
the auto pen was used, meaning he wasn't the person
that sided a machine did. We do not know who
was conducting policy. We do not know who was appointing judges.
We do not know. Tillis doesn't seem to be bothered
by that. Imagine till Us saying this about Biden. I
consider to be amateurs around Biden, and I want to
make it very clear to the people around Biden when
you act like the president when he's out of the room,
you don't impress me. Wait, Biden's advisors were acting like
the president when he was in the room. Doesn't seem
to bother till Us one bit, Not one bit. Is
till Us incensed that we don't know who the acting
president was? But I digress. The Senator may not be
quiet for long. I don't think he's being quiet at all.
Asked about how he plans to spend his remaining months
in office, Tilly said he would demand accountability from Trump's advisors.
I'm going to hold these people accountable who I think
are shielding him, who do not understand the legislative process,
certainly do not understand the executive and they're the biggest risk.
So tell us what's going out. I mean, he's basically
declared war on Team Trump. It is not. He said
he regretted voting for Pete. Hegseth big mistake. And then
he says again his famous phrase, in this entire year,
I told the president, I told the president. The third
time he says it, I told the President. In another text,
now's the time to start looking for my replacement, because
I don't want to deal with that kind of bs
I he didn't say bs I have to say it,
so he said, he actually said the word. So this
is just scorched earth Pete. Hegseth find the replacement. He's
not gonna he's not gonna be helping at all. He's
not involved in the process. He doesn't flip and care.
He is checked out. He is angry, he is better.
This is a classless way to go out, and it's
a shame. Like I said, I've known Tom personally. I
don't understand this. I've never seen this kind of seething
hatred from him. But it's there even when the Democrats
ticked him off, even with though any of the Democrats,
I've never seen him more angry than like this.
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Speaker 2: Now, during the break, I actually had a call from
someone that heretofore has been one of the greatest defenders
of Tillis in the years. Now, I'll say this honest
Everything I tell you is honest, but it's not always comfortable.
But so I knew till us when he defeated John
many years ago. I've known him for many years personally known,
and we've we've always gotten along. In fact, I was
hosting I think this very show maybe last Christmas until
it's called in He called in to WBT, and you know,
we had a good interview. We have substantive disagreements. They're
not personal, they are disagreements. Now, what I find particularly
damning about what has occurred here is that he's had
You know, you could tell if you're really paying attention.
And in my world, I tend to pay attention. I
pay attention to subtleties, the way people word things. Now,
I've always been fascinated with the articulation of thoughts. You know,
you saw this one of the most vivid examples that
you if you're older than I don't know forty One
of the most vivid examples of wordplay was Bill Clinton's
interview with the Special Counsel Ken Starr on the Monica
Lewinsky scandal, when he said things like, it depends on
what your definition of the word is is you know,
when you get to I was fascinated by a parsing
of words. And we've seen this play out many many
times since, But the way Tillis would parse his words
around certain policy positions, and you could tell there was
a bit of angst related to his perceptions about Trump.
You know, Trump's not his cup of tea. And you know,
Tillis is very measured and I have seen and to
his credit, when he was in the North Carolina House
and his House speaker, there were numerous occasions where I
knew that he had a disagreement with a given policy
that was going to be brought before the House and
he was likely to vote against it, but to his credit,
he brought it forth and these things would pass without him,
so we anybody paying attention to his politics, and that
is why Tillis's most serious political threat was always from
the political right, not from the Democrats, because there were
enough moderates that if Tillis survived a primary, he was
always going to survive the general because the left is
always going to put somebody up that's more left than
he is, and the political right's not going to break
from him. They may not be enthused he'll get fewer
votes than like a Trump or a true conservative. But
he's going to win. And that's what his team, the
people who supported him, that's what they knew. He just
had to survive a Republican primary. Through the course of
the hegseeth nomination process and some other issues. It was
looking back, it was pretty clear that Tillis was going
to be facing a potentially strong candidate from the political
right in North Carolina, a Laura Trump. I doubt of
Michael Wattley, but certainly you know a Pat Harrigan that's
very extremely well funded, something of that. Ilk I wasn't
worried about. Roy Cooper would not have probably gotten in
the race if it was not an open seat. He's
not prone to unless he thought Tillis was truly damaged.
But then when Tillis goes scorch to Earth and he
does an interview with Jake Tappern CNN, he could have
chosen to go anywhere and give that interview. He chose that.
That's intentional the words he used. He wants to be
seen as as an intellectual talking almost down to the president,
or maybe as an equal. I don't know. I told
the President. He said it three times at least in
the interview, But the fact that he announced he was
not running and then went scorched to earth belies a
bit of political cowardice. He could have said those things
prior to saying he was not going to run again,
but he said it after. And what that means if
you say it after you've decided not to run, that
means that you were lying or misrepresenting or not telling
the truth for the past since Trump got elected, or
before or during the campaign. During the election, that's the
problem with Tillis is he's being very honest. I'll give
him that, very honest, But he waited until after, which
meant he wasn't being on honest before deciding not to run.
He wasn't telling the public his honest feelings. One thing
about Ran Paul, disagree with him or not, he's consistent.
He has been. One thing about the President remarkably consistent
on the border, on taxes, on NATO, on tariffs, on DEI,
on his belief in America, the American people, his belief
in himself. Consistent. And that's something Tillis can't say. He
hasn't been. And that's why when there's a vote, you
have to guess where's till It's going to be. I
don't know. I don't know. That's a problem. I know
Ted Bud's got to be going. Oh man, I can't
believe this is going on. I'm shocked at the media
hasn't run to Ted DT. So what do you think about?
What tell us that the golden opportunity to go after Republicans?
But Tillis went scortched earth. By the way, if you
want to get in on this, it's seven O four
five seven oh eleven ten. It's also the text lines,
the WBT text line driven by Liberty Buick GMC, same
phone number. So if you have a comment and this,
you know, we get to look at it. Go okay,
you want to go with that. So but when I
got a call, I got a call in the break
from someone who's been a long time Tillis supporter, who
was very involved in the political mechanizations and intrigue of
this state's right leaning politics. I would say the individual
I've always accused them of being somewhat of a moderate,
but they're in GOP politics and they've been tell us
long and strong since say even he didn't understand he
was trying to find a way, a nuanced way of saying,
you know, Tillis really meant, but he couldn't. He tried,
and so instead of scorched earth with Tillis, he kind
of backed up and just said, you know, I don't understand.
I don't understand. And when a lot of when people
say they don't understand it at that level of politics,
it's that they don't want to believe. It's thee euphemism
for I don't want to believe what I heard with
my own ears and saw with my own eyes, So
I don't understand. Yeah, it's kind of like if you were,
you know, to see a tesla in eighteen sixty, you
would see it, but you wouldn't understand. It wouldn't make
any sense. So kind of anachartistic anyway, He's out of space,
out of time, and it just doesn't make any sense.
So till Us has essentially committed political Harry Carey here
and needs have survived the next eighteen months, and it
will be a problematic vote for the president for any
chance in an agenda. I'd be surprised if Tillis is
I don't know where his vote's going to be for
the next year. And a half. He said he's going
to go after Trump's staff. That's what he said. His
goal is is to go after Trump's staff, to name
names and go after me. He called him a bunch
of amateurs. It's just a sad end to an otherwise
stellar career that goes from you know, paperboy to town
councilman to I mean, successful business guy all the way
up to us s enator. And this is how he
chooses to burn the house down. Don't understand it all right?
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Speaker 2: Now, you know, when we went to the break, we
were talking about Tilli's This Sports Earth. And by the way,
former Representative Larry Pittman has burned up my phone a
few times. He's you know, he was no big fan
of Tillis, certainly, and he's very has been concerned about
this for a long time. So he said, do you
share it on air if you want so we'll see
now with us. So we do have a call. I
believe Jake if I got that right, Jake, Welcome to
the show. How are you today? Jay? I'm sorry, Jake,
how are you today? I am fantastic, Thank you for calling. Yeah,
go ahead, yeah, yes, sir.
Speaker 3: I kind of go back with him a long time ago,
back in early two thousands, a new high school opened
up in Undersville that had a lot of Lake parents
in all the area there, and he made an issue
at the high school and had a big meeting. And
this is before he got into politics, okay, and some
parents from the Lake were complaining about the new principal
there on new high school. They had some pretty pretty
strict discipline policies, which you know, if we had him today,
we wouldn't have problems we have. But he set up
a meeting at one of the town halls I can't
remember if it was Huntersville at Cornelias and had everybody
come and I went to it just to see what
was going on, and he really shamed the principal there
and got him into trouble. And I talked to a
lot of faculty members and other parents and we were
happy with that principal. And after the meeting, we were
joking that this guy's running for governor and he was
just looking for an issue to get his name out there.
And I've watched this whole career since that day, and
my son actually had classes with his kids. And I
voted for him twice, but I'd never vote for him again.
I didn't vote for I voted for him the last
time only because I wanted to see a Republican up there.
But I never really considered him a Republican. And what
he's doing now is disgrace to the party. It's a
disgrace to him. But you know what, I've seen it
before because he made an issue about it, something that
he should have kept his nose out of.
Speaker 2: You know, Jay, I think a lot of people on
the right get I don't know. You know. In fact,
I've got you know, supporters of him that are reaching
out on Facebook and texting right now even as you're
on air with me, and they're saying, and there's two
things that are coming out, and I wish I had
come up with one of them, but I didn't. They said,
I don't see how it helps him. How does anything
that he's doing right now help him? What I mean,
does he does he switch parties? Even Mike Pence, even
Mike Pence, who is certainly not the biggest fan of
Donald Trump, said that Tillis went too far. I mean,
if Mike Pence says you went too far, I don't know.
I don't know that he thinks that is he going
to become a Democrat, and is that because I don't
know where where he sees himself and how this elevates
him or even helps him in any way.
Speaker 3: So, but Jay, I appreciate I saw as he go
years ago and it hasn't changed.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a there's a humor, said Jay. I appreciate
the call man, thanks for being a part of the program.
There's certainly a huge and I appreciate Jay's call. Appreciate
the folks reading out, reaching out a text and Facebook
and Twitter chat. Adams perspective on Twitter, if you happen
to be out there, But you know, does he become
The other sentiment is kind of does he become the
Adam Kinsinger? Does he become the Nicks? Liz Cheney. I mean,
this all of a sudden one and eighty degree rebuke
is just unfathomable that, you know, there are classy ways
to do this, there are you know, he could have
been if he had been principled all along, like Rand Paul.
I don't think Rand Paul's relationship with the president. Certainly
a lot of people angry about his vote, but it's
he's been consistent on things that he felt would add
to the debt, and so he and the President still
get along. It's not that he took a new way
of looking at things. Tillis was that was out of
left field. What Tillis did and those things that he said, now,
I don't don't get Even one of his supporters just
wrote me says, he's talking about how what Tillis said.
Tell Us said something really strange. He said, I don't
have a problem with President Trump. I got a problem
with some of the people I considered to be amateurs.
And I want to make it clear to them when
you act like the President when he's out of the room,
you don't impress me. Now, this is the same senator
that had no problem with you know, team Auto Pen
and hasn't called for multiple investigations when we don't even
know who's running things. But he says that, And so
even the supporter of Tillis has wrote, a strong supporter,
I might add it's been very close to him, said
what an arrogant statement. It totally makes Trump look like
a doorstop. It does. It is just an arrogant And
this is this is the market from WinCE Tilli's His
political career was birthed. I don't know. I mean, and
you know, if he wanted to be a part of
the broadcast, I'll give him more more than a fair interview.
I haven't reached out to his office, Mike, I don't
know right now. I just I don't know. It's just
unbelievable that Tillis decided to go this route. I mean,
it's one thing if he had gone on I mean,
he went on CNN with Jake Tapper and and just
scorched earth. I'm gonna I'm gonna spend my last So
he's not going to spend his last eighteen months representing
North Carolina, or maybe he sees that as reund not
really trying to support the American people, although he what
he sees is his attack on the president is his
way of representing the citizens of North Carolina and the
country to attack Trump's people. So there's no adja. So
what he's not saying is I have an agenda for
the people of North Calina. By the way, North Counta
just named number one place to do business thanks to
many of the policies that happened when Tillis was in
office and many that have happened subsequent to that. It's
not really an executive branch. The executive branch in North Carolina,
the governor gets to go around and cut ribbons and
make nice speeches, but largely has been irrelevant in making
that policy. But that's a separate issue. You know.
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Speaker 2: I'm confused by the actions of people like Tom Tillis.
I don't you know. I'm still most often. Here's what
I think happened, and it makes sense in this context.
You know, if you just politics is the kind of
the study of being paranoid. You know, success in politics
belongs to the paranoid. And I think that till Us
was not being honest with himself for the past two three,
six years. I don't know, and that's just it ultimately
got too much for him, you know, I think he
just snapped. I mean when you saw the bolo on
the floor of the Senate, and that's when he went
scorch to earth. And ever since he voted against the
Big Beautiful Bill, he's gone scortch to earth. I don't
know where this ends up. It's a detachment. Now, there
was a caller in the break that or text, I
don't know. It's one of the two communicated with the show,
and he was talking about the Tillis And this will
seem like an attack, it's not. I think the individual
was talking about the Tillis hadn't been in North Carolina
very long before he ran for office, and there's a
lot of truth to that. His background's actually quite interesting
because he was born in Jacksonville, Florida. He literally moved
like I don't know, twenty times. You know, he's been
in many places. And he's actually got two brothers that
are also named Tom Tillis along with his father. His
father's named Thomas Tillis. He's got two brothers named Tom Tillis,
which is interesting. There's Thomas Rick Tillis and Thomas Still anyway,
that's irrelevant. But he's, you know, highly educated, and he
ended up moving to North Carolina in nineteen ninety eight
over in Cornelis. He runs for office shortly thereafter, so
about less than five years he gets into two thousand
and two, so about four years he's involved in politics
and goes from there to being I mean, he became
a very relevant person in North Counta politics. If you
move here, and if you were to go many places
in North Kunina, you would be shocked at how many
people on town boards and county commissions are relative newcomers
to North Carolina. Now we are kind of an immigrant state,
for lack of a better word with respect to other states.
A lot of folks well, also out of the country too,
but a lot of folks that move here, especially along
the coast. If you go to the coast, you look
at the communities that I'm very, very familiar with now,
and you'll find communities where the people that are on
the boards, that are on the town boards have been
there two years, less than two years, barely got their
registrations in time to run for office, and boom populated
and becoming devout lefties more and more. So, I'm fascinated
by the Tillis scenario because it is absolutely and well,
here's where I'm having trouble getting it. I get that
he doesn't like Trump. I mean, I didn't you know this. Cheney,
Adam Kinsinger, they took a huge gamble in going after
the president. They thought it was kind of a passing phase.
They missed. They politically miscalculated. Cheney was horrible. They miscalculated
the success of Trump and changing the party. So Kensinger
and Cheney thought, oh, well, we'll be able to rebuild
a Republican Party in a post Trumpian world. Remember they
the Democrats put them on the committee attacking Trump because
they knew they hated that those two hated Trump. They
did not allow the then minority leader to select anybody
for the positions on that committee. So the Democrats, Nancy
Pelosian company selected people that hated Trump, and Cheney and
Kensinger were the two folks. And so now Tillis has
kind of replaced him as the Republican, the Trump hating Republican.
So the Democrats will probably love him to a certain extent,
but they can't reconcile him that with this record in
North Carolina. So we'll see. I just don't understand why
he chose this time to go scorts to Earth. I mean,
we're heading into Labor Day, it's you know, next year's
elections coming up. Is he is his goal to hurt
the reelection? I don't know for others, is his goal
to hurt the Republican majority. He says it's to hurt
the president. But the only real way to hurt the
president is to make sure he doesn't have majorities to
work with. That would be the way to hurt him.
It's not like he accused him of scandalous behavior, accused
his sta anyway. I don't want to get into it
too far. But you're welcome to be a part of
the conversation should you so desire to be so. I
don't get it. Even as supporters are kind out there,
they're left defenseless. He didn't give them a lot of
room to go. Now, Having said that, what I wanted
to talk about today was my love of the political left,
would why would I say something I love because I
love the fact that their new spokespeople are absolute, absolute wackads.
I love that about them. I think it's a beautiful day.
I think when AOC opens her mouth and tries to
explain the world in a philosophical con concept, that there's
a plethora of bad things that come out of her mouth.
I mean it's it is a cacophony of mindless gobbledegook
that comes pouring out. It makes Kamala's word salads, I
don't know, look amateurish by comparison. When I hear Bernie
Sanders speak about policy, I love it. I love when
the political One of my favorites as of late is
yet Jasmine Crockett. She's from Texas, and I love that
microphones find a way to allow her to speak, and
that she's allowed to speak and given representation. She represents
her constituents in Texas and she and I want I
would love for Jasmine Crockett to be the face of
the party. You know, Democrats. You say, I'm glad Trump's
the face and public PODi y'all, they're toasted. I'm like, Okay,
not so much. But Crockett, you know, I tell you what,
I want to talk about this more so, it's definitely
gonna be on the other side of the break because
I'm trying to search for other than being anti Trump.
What is the Democrats? What is their vision? I told
you one of the things about Trump that I do like,
whether you like him personally, is very different than liking
his policies. On the border, he told you what he
was going to do, he's been doing and he's executing that.
On taxes, he told you what he's going to do.
He's doing that. He's continuing to go down the path
on NATO, They're going to pay their fair share on tariffs. Hey,
it's a tool by which we negotiate better trade deals
or DEI don't like it. Don't like you know, women
and men's or men and women's sports and then I
look at where the Democrats find themselves. Are they giving
you an alternate vision for the country, because you know,
the defund the police movement did not come from the
political right. It came from the political left. The no
voter I d that's the political left trying to say
a voter id's racist. The trans kids. That didn't come
from the Republican side. It came from the Democrats side.
The sanctuary cities. That phrase, that phrase is we know
it in societ came from It only exists in our
vernacular because of Democrats, otherwise it wouldn't exist. Abolish ice.
The only people that have ever said that on the
political left. Now on the heels of Obama being the
deporter in chief, just a few years ago he deported
two point seven million people critical race theory. Who do
you think came up with that phrase? It wasn't conservatives.
Only the left could come up with critical race theory
and have that as something they want to hang their
head on. If they want to hang hats, maybe non
sexual hats. I don't know. Men and women's sports, come on,
no cash bail. These aren't phrases embitted by the political right.
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