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<v Speaker 1>This episode is brought to you by Middle Born Arms alone.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Mythic Mind, where we pursue wisdom in the

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<v Speaker 1>past between primary and secondary worlds. I'm your host, Andrew Schnyder,

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<v Speaker 1>and I heartily welcome your company. Today we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>continue this off season, at least for the public feed

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<v Speaker 1>by doing some philosophy, as I give you a side

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<v Speaker 1>lesson for my life, death and Meaning with Beowulf and

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<v Speaker 1>Boethia's course that traces some major points in the development

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<v Speaker 1>of Neoplatonic thought from the pre Socratics ancient Greece, through Plato, Aristotle, Platinus,

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<v Speaker 1>and then its baptism into Christian thought by the likes

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<v Speaker 1>of Saint Augustine and Boethius. And then we'll close with

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<v Speaker 1>a recommendation. Neoplatonism or new Platonism, which reaches height around

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<v Speaker 1>the third fifth centuries or so, is largely an attempt

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<v Speaker 1>of paganism to put forward a system that can stand

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<v Speaker 1>against Christianity, but it actually ended up providing some tools

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<v Speaker 1>that Christians like Augustine found to be effective for communicating

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<v Speaker 1>Christian truth and recognizing that Augustine dominated medieval thought as

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<v Speaker 1>well as reformational thought, and beyond. This makes it of

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<v Speaker 1>lasting significance and definitely worth our time to consider. And

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<v Speaker 1>so now let's go ahead and jump into it. Hello

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<v Speaker 1>and welcome, as we discussed some of the major philosophical

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<v Speaker 1>influences on Boethius as seen in the Constellation of Philosophy.

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<v Speaker 1>This lesson was originally made for My Life, Death and

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<v Speaker 1>Meaning with Bewolf and Boethius course, but I'm also going

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<v Speaker 1>to make this one publicly available. If you'd like access

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<v Speaker 1>to all of the material from this course, including on

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<v Speaker 1>Boethius and Beowulf, and the side lessons which go into

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<v Speaker 1>some element of myth or scholarship or philosophy, then you

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<v Speaker 1>could head over to Andrew Snyder dot Patia dot com

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<v Speaker 1>and you can likely find out link wherever you're watching this.

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<v Speaker 1>All materials are you usually keeping once you enroll, and

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<v Speaker 1>so you can go through it asynchronously at whatever time

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<v Speaker 1>man pays works for you. Now, if you've read any

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<v Speaker 1>of the consolation at this point, you know that Boethius

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<v Speaker 1>is pretty fast and loose with his references to classical

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<v Speaker 1>pagan philosophy and poetry, which some find odd for a

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<v Speaker 1>Christian theologian who has been stripped of nearly all earthly fortunes,

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<v Speaker 1>and very well may be facing death, and history tells

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<v Speaker 1>us that he absolutely was facing death as you would

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<v Speaker 1>be executed. However, you have to keep in mind his position.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a Roman Catholic Trinitarian Christian under the heretical

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<v Speaker 1>Aryan Ostrogothic king Theodoric, who took control of Italy after

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<v Speaker 1>killing Odieser, who deposed the last Roman emperor, and so

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<v Speaker 1>as a Catholic Trinitarian affirming Roman Christian, Boethius is very

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<v Speaker 1>much an other relative to the Aryan Germanic king above him,

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<v Speaker 1>and this difference was surely magnified when Boethius was stripped

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<v Speaker 1>of his rank and goods through no apparent fault of

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<v Speaker 1>his own. And this gulf that he faced between his

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<v Speaker 1>ultimate accuser that the king and his current position very

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<v Speaker 1>likely caused him to appreciate vestiges of his rich pagan

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<v Speaker 1>heritage alongside his theological convictions and intellectual framework. He was

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<v Speaker 1>a Roman and a Christian, and both of those formed

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<v Speaker 1>an important part of his identity in the discarded image. C. S.

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<v Speaker 1>Lewis says, like this quote, Catholic Christendom and that high

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<v Speaker 1>pagan pass to which he felt so deep a loyalty,

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<v Speaker 1>were united in his outlook by their common contrast to

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<v Speaker 1>Theodoric and his huge, fair skinned beer drinking boasting things

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<v Speaker 1>was there's no time for stressing whatever divided him from Virgil,

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<v Speaker 1>Seneca Plato in the Old Republican Heroes end quote. And

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<v Speaker 1>so with that in mind, looking to some of the

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<v Speaker 1>pagan traditions and philosophies that Boethius found particularly palatable will

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<v Speaker 1>help us to get a better handle on what exactly

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<v Speaker 1>he is doing in the consolation. In this lesson, we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to be taking a high level look at the

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<v Speaker 1>emergence of Neoplatonism from the pre Socratics up to its

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<v Speaker 1>baptism into early medieval Christian thought with the likes of Augustine. Neoplatonism,

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<v Speaker 1>selfish to say, was an active force from about the

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<v Speaker 1>third to six centuries or so, and of course it

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<v Speaker 1>had significant influence beyond that time, even up to the

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<v Speaker 1>present day. According to Augustine, the Platonist by which he

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<v Speaker 1>most directly meant, the group of thinkers we today would

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<v Speaker 1>call the Neoplatonists provide the pagan school that comes closest

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<v Speaker 1>to Christian thought, and it is actually most beneficial in

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<v Speaker 1>helping Christians to systematically formulate what they believe about the

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<v Speaker 1>nature and working of the cosmos. Not so much that

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<v Speaker 1>neoplatonism gives us new substance, but it does give us

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<v Speaker 1>And so Augustine and others thought that the Neoplatonists really

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<v Speaker 1>the working of the cosmos. And Augustine, of course, was

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<v Speaker 1>of monumental importance for setting many courses that would continue

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<v Speaker 1>through the Middle Ages and beyond. And Boethius, who was

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<v Speaker 1>a couple generations after Augustine, definitely operates within this trajectory.

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<v Speaker 1>And so I think that we're going to better see

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<v Speaker 1>some of what's happening in the constellation if we have

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<v Speaker 1>a better handle on this system of thought. Now. As

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<v Speaker 1>a warning, especially if anyone is watching this who is

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<v Speaker 1>already versed in this topic, this presentation is very much

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<v Speaker 1>elements at play here in the emergence of neoplatonism. This

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<v Speaker 1>is nothing like an exhaustive study of Neoplatonism, or any

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<v Speaker 1>of these connected ideas for some degree of scale. But

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<v Speaker 1>entire course in itself and beyond. And so with that

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<v Speaker 1>being said, you can consider this to be a fairly

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<v Speaker 1>hefty introduction rather than a comprehensive study. And so note

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<v Speaker 1>that we're not covering any of our sources exhaustibly, and

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<v Speaker 1>brought into this. All right, with that in mind, let

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<v Speaker 1>us go ahead and get started with the pre Socratics. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>the history of Western philosophy typically begins with a group

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<v Speaker 1>of philosophers in ancient Greece referred to as the pre Socratics,

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<v Speaker 1>because well, they came before Socrates. Now one hand, it's

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit arbitrary to ever pick a beginning point

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<v Speaker 1>of philosophy, because the truth is, to be human is

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<v Speaker 1>to be a philosopher. To be human is to think

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<v Speaker 1>about the way that the world is in our role

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<v Speaker 1>within it, and how to move every closer to the

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<v Speaker 1>path of wisdom. The path of achieving the goals of

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<v Speaker 1>human nature, and so that's been happening for as long

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<v Speaker 1>as we've had consciousness. However, it is helpful to come

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<v Speaker 1>Presocratics and specifically the Presocratic philosopher theies kind of makes

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<v Speaker 1>we see people intentionally asking questions through reason, like why

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<v Speaker 1>is there a basic harmony in nature? What accounts for this?

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<v Speaker 1>And so they're asking these broad level philosophical questions. They're

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<v Speaker 1>delving into the fundamental nature of reality, and we have

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<v Speaker 1>a written pathway to at least approach understanding of what

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<v Speaker 1>they were doing. And so this is not a bad

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<v Speaker 1>place to begin the history of Western philosophy, which is

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<v Speaker 1>why it usually begins there. And so at this point

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<v Speaker 1>with the Presocratics, we're mostly relying on fragments of writing

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<v Speaker 1>usually just get luved together into this group of the

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<v Speaker 1>pre Socratics. Now, as I just mentioned, the first member

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<v Speaker 1>of this group that the we usually go for the

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<v Speaker 1>beginning of history of philosophy courses is a guy named

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<v Speaker 1>Thales who recognized that there is harmony and order in

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<v Speaker 1>the bottom of its cause. Well, he supposed that this

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<v Speaker 1>harmony is owed to the fact that there must be

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<v Speaker 1>some element that underlies everything. You break everything down into

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<v Speaker 1>this he theorized, was water. Now that might sound a

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<v Speaker 1>sense that his stage of things, for example, plant and

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<v Speaker 1>animal life requires water. Water is all around us, especially

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<v Speaker 1>Phi Lippy in Greece. Water is generally moving, which accounts

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<v Speaker 1>for change, and water can present itself in three states

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<v Speaker 1>solid liquid, gas, and so it's not a bad early contender. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>Thales was followed by others who proposed other elements you know,

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<v Speaker 1>such as earth, air, fire. But early philosophical critiques made

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<v Speaker 1>it evident that no one physical element could account for

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<v Speaker 1>everything because the elements supposed each other. Fire could not

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<v Speaker 1>be water, air could not be earth, and so forth.

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<v Speaker 1>And so Heraclitis takes the conversation in a new direction.

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<v Speaker 1>Instead of looking to a physical element to describe all

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<v Speaker 1>of reality. He said that everything is change or everything

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<v Speaker 1>is changing, everything is moving, everything is in a process

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<v Speaker 1>of flux. Now, he did say that the cosmos is

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<v Speaker 1>made of fire, but this was really just a poetic

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<v Speaker 1>way of emphasizing the idea that, like fire, the elements

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<v Speaker 1>are ever moving in and against each other, flaring up

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<v Speaker 1>and diminishing from moment to moment. But he most famously

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<v Speaker 1>said that you cannot step into the same river twice.

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<v Speaker 1>As we get quoted from Plato, Heraclitis says somewhere that

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<v Speaker 1>all things give way and nothing remains, and likening existing

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<v Speaker 1>things to the flow of a river, he says that

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<v Speaker 1>you cannot step twice into the same river. And this

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<v Speaker 1>is because you step into the river, you step into

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<v Speaker 1>the water, you step out, you step back in, and

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<v Speaker 1>now you're in new water. And he said, this is

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<v Speaker 1>what all reality is like. It's ever moving, it's never

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<v Speaker 1>the same, it's always in a state of process, it's

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<v Speaker 1>always becoming, it is never being. Now, if this is

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<v Speaker 1>all that he believed, then it would present some pretty

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<v Speaker 1>serious problems. For example, if everything is moving, then our

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<v Speaker 1>knowledge is never accurate because the picture of the river

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<v Speaker 1>that we have in our minds. It never corresponds to

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<v Speaker 1>It's always out of date. And so our minds are

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<v Speaker 1>there is no state, there is only process. Also, this

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<v Speaker 1>would create a crisis of identity, because it would mean

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<v Speaker 1>that there is no me that endures across time. On

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<v Speaker 1>a physical level, we know that our cells are constantly

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<v Speaker 1>being replaced, and maybe I might find recourse to an

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<v Speaker 1>idea of the soul, but it's not even that continually

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<v Speaker 1>undergoing change, adopting and pushing away desires, and just continually

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<v Speaker 1>taking new forms as I undergo experience and as I

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<v Speaker 1>direct the orientation of my soul. And so even the

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<v Speaker 1>soul is constantly in a state of change. And so

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<v Speaker 1>who is the me that I suppose endoors across time. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>if literally everything is moving, then there is no me.

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<v Speaker 1>There's only a succession of becomings. Well, fortunately, heraclitis does

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<v Speaker 1>give us some direction toward constancy, towards stability, somewhere where

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<v Speaker 1>we might be able to find some rest. So, everything,

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<v Speaker 1>or at least nearly everything, may be changing, but it

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<v Speaker 1>always changes in a consistent and orderly manner. The river

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<v Speaker 1>may always be moving, but through reason I can reliably

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<v Speaker 1>predict how and where it will move, and so change

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<v Speaker 1>itself is constant. Now why is this well? Heraclite has

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<v Speaker 1>found his answer in the lagos or the word, which

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<v Speaker 1>is an idea that will become very important in the

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<v Speaker 1>history of philosophy. And we even see some of this

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<v Speaker 1>in the New Testament. While some biblical scholars may argue

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<v Speaker 1>been completely convinced that it's not at play. When John

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<v Speaker 1>begins his Gospel with NRK handhold logos in the beginning

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<v Speaker 1>was the word, and then he proceeds to explain how

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<v Speaker 1>the world was made through this word. For Heraclitis, the

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<v Speaker 1>And me just think about what the word word means.

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<v Speaker 1>the letters, arranging them in an orderly way, where now

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<v Speaker 1>they contain and they express meaning. And so a word

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<v Speaker 1>and that is what the word does on a cosmic scale.

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<v Speaker 1>As the apostle Paul says in Colossians, in him all

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<v Speaker 1>things hold together because he is the word. He is

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<v Speaker 1>the lagos. And for Heraclitis, this lagos does not only

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<v Speaker 1>explain what we see in the natural world. Or better yet,

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<v Speaker 1>he maintains that we are part of the natural world.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe that's a better way of saying that, and said,

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<v Speaker 1>the lagos gives direction for how we live our lives.

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<v Speaker 1>what we have, Heraclitis is only beginning to develop this

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<v Speaker 1>philosopher of becoming or of change. On the other side

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<v Speaker 1>of the spectrum of being becoming, we have Parmenides, the

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<v Speaker 1>uncreated and imperishable, whole, unique, unwavering, and complete, meaning it

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<v Speaker 1>that are provided by his student Zeno. Zeno has this.

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<v Speaker 1>Imagine a race between the Greek hero Achilles and a tortoise. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>where the Achilles begins. The race goes off, and then

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<v Speaker 1>Achilles takes off. Now, before he can get to where

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<v Speaker 1>the tortoise began at one hundred yards, he first has

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<v Speaker 1>to cross half that distance. He has to go fifty yards.

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<v Speaker 1>Well before he goes fifty yards, he has to go

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<v Speaker 1>to go twelve and a half, and so forth, and

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<v Speaker 1>so forth, and so forth, and so rationally speaking, mathematically speaking,

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<v Speaker 1>distance between any two points. Well, how long does it

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<v Speaker 1>take to cross an infinite distance? Well, it takes an

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<v Speaker 1>infinite amount of time, which is another way of saying

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<v Speaker 1>that movement is rationally impossible. Now, you may be tempted

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<v Speaker 1>to say that this is absurd, because we experience an

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<v Speaker 1>observed motion all the time. However, Parmenides believe that there's

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<v Speaker 1>a conflict between our sense, experience and reason, and so

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<v Speaker 1>we ought to choose reason right, because if we're not

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<v Speaker 1>going to prioritize reason, then what business do we have

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<v Speaker 1>do in philosophy to begin with? With this move he

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<v Speaker 1>really serves as an early modern, as Descartes, going to

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<v Speaker 1>do the same thing right, He's going to isolate reason

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<v Speaker 1>over again sense experience, and that's going to set the

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<v Speaker 1>tone for a lot of what happens in modern and

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<v Speaker 1>postmodern philosophy. And I would consider that modern turn, which

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<v Speaker 1>very much is I believe in keeping with Parmenides, I

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<v Speaker 1>think that it leads to disastrous ends. But in any case,

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<v Speaker 1>here we have our philosopher, a being who believes that

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<v Speaker 1>reason leads us to a completely stable reality, the world

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<v Speaker 1>of being. Well, in Plato, being and becoming will both

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<v Speaker 1>find their place. Promenides and Heraclitis will be brought together.

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<v Speaker 1>And I believe that the best introduction to Plato's thought

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<v Speaker 1>and that is Plato's allegory the cave, which is found

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<v Speaker 1>in the Republic. In this section of the Republic, Soco

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<v Speaker 1>has us imagine a cave. In this cave are prisoners

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<v Speaker 1>who are shackled, and they've been in that position for

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<v Speaker 1>their entire lives. All they can do is stare at

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<v Speaker 1>the wall in front of them, and on this wall

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<v Speaker 1>they see shadows of objects and animals and whatnot pass by.

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<v Speaker 1>These shadows are the only reality they have ever known,

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<v Speaker 1>the only thing they've ever perceived. Eventually, one of the

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<v Speaker 1>prisoners is set free. And how this happens we're not told,

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<v Speaker 1>but it doesn't really matter for the allegory. And so

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<v Speaker 1>he's set free. He turns around and he sees the

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<v Speaker 1>fire that had been producing the cave's light, and he's

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<v Speaker 1>initially pained greatly by looking at light directly for the

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<v Speaker 1>first time, he sees these cutouts that have been passing

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<v Speaker 1>back and forth in front of the fire to project

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<v Speaker 1>the shadows and between the pain of his eyes and

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<v Speaker 1>the confusion regarding what he's looking at, he's inclined to

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<v Speaker 1>go back to watching the shadows because they seemed more

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<v Speaker 1>real to him. At this time. However, he is, apparently

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<v Speaker 1>through no real design of his own, kind of almost

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<v Speaker 1>dragged out. He's compelled out of the cave and up

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<v Speaker 1>to the surface world, and now he's blinded by the

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<v Speaker 1>light of the sun. But his eyes eventually adjust and

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<v Speaker 1>he experiences the real things that were previously imaged on

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<v Speaker 1>the cutouts, which he previously only saw through the images

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<v Speaker 1>of the shadows, and so now he is in genuine reality,

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<v Speaker 1>illuminated by the genuine light of the sun. He eventually

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<v Speaker 1>remembers the prisoners who are still in the cave, and

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<v Speaker 1>he feels pity on them, and so he goes back

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<v Speaker 1>to share this new revelation that he's had. Now at

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<v Speaker 1>this point, he's a difficult time seeing in the darkness

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<v Speaker 1>because he's used to the light, but he eventually finds

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<v Speaker 1>his way down and he tells the prisoners of this

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<v Speaker 1>glorious reality that he has experienced. Well, they don't take

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<v Speaker 1>too kindly to this, as they've developed a value system

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<v Speaker 1>a hierarchy based on who is best at figuring out

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<v Speaker 1>the shadow pattern and detecting what would come next. This

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<v Speaker 1>new revelation shattered their shadow society, and so they initially

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<v Speaker 1>thought him to be mad, and eventually they got ahold

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<v Speaker 1>of him, and they actually killed him. And of course,

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<v Speaker 1>when Plato is telling us this story, he very much

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<v Speaker 1>has in mind his teacher Socrates, who was executed by

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<v Speaker 1>the city of Athens for practicing his philosophy. In addition

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<v Speaker 1>to providing a general introduction of philosophy, this allegory gives

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<v Speaker 1>us some images that are particularly helpful in understanding Plato's

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<v Speaker 1>system of thought. The shadow world or the shadowlands, which

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<v Speaker 1>is a term that C. S. Lewis adopts, is the

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<v Speaker 1>one that we all have access to by nature, kind

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<v Speaker 1>of like by default. That's probably even a better word

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<v Speaker 1>than saying by nature. That's more of a loaded term.

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<v Speaker 1>And so by default, as material beings in a material world,

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<v Speaker 1>we all have access to this shadowland, and this is

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<v Speaker 1>the corruptible world of partial truths or of obscure truths.

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<v Speaker 1>Perhaps we can expect to see obscure particular images of justice,

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<v Speaker 1>any particular historical instantiation. So too with love, and with

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<v Speaker 1>the ideal of humanity, with loyalty, or even the ideal

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<v Speaker 1>of a horse or whatever else. All of these ideas,

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<v Speaker 1>the full actualizations of what things are, imperfectly in potential,

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<v Speaker 1>reside above the material world, in what Plato would call

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<v Speaker 1>the world of the forms. And so by default we

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<v Speaker 1>live in the shadowy world of becoming, but we can

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<v Speaker 1>aspire to the illuminated world of being. After all, if

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<v Speaker 1>you are to have a shadow, there must be a

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<v Speaker 1>solid object in order to cast the shadow. Well, the

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<v Speaker 1>solid objects that cast the shadows are the forms, such

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<v Speaker 1>as the form of justice and whatnot. These are things

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<v Speaker 1>that we can know through our minds, but it actually

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<v Speaker 1>takes more than that. To no justice, for example, is

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<v Speaker 1>not just to be able to provide a definition, although

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<v Speaker 1>such propositional knowledge is important, But to really no justice

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<v Speaker 1>is to be just, to love justice and to instantiate

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<v Speaker 1>justice in your life. Remember that philosophy in its truest

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<v Speaker 1>sense is the love of wisdom, not just the knowledge

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<v Speaker 1>of wisdom, but the love of wisdom. And so the

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<v Speaker 1>forms of the highest level of reality that we can

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<v Speaker 1>consciously we know, and as we better know such reality,

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<v Speaker 1>we gain stability in this world of change. Even when

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<v Speaker 1>we experience in justice, we ourselves can still be rooted

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<v Speaker 1>in the unending, eternal reality of justice itself. Well, remember

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<v Speaker 1>that I said that the world of forms is an

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<v Speaker 1>illuminated reality. Well, if it is illuminated, then it must

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<v Speaker 1>be illuminated by something. And this something in the allegory

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<v Speaker 1>is the Sun, which for Plato is the form of

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<v Speaker 1>the good, or we would not even be far off

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<v Speaker 1>to call this God, as Plato seems to do in

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<v Speaker 1>the timaeis Now. Admittedly, this is a place of some

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<v Speaker 1>contention within Platonic scholarship, but for our purposes I don't

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<v Speaker 1>believe that this complation is unfounded. And so God is

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<v Speaker 1>the light that illuminates the world of the forms, which

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<v Speaker 1>of becoming. And just as you do not stare at

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<v Speaker 1>the sun directly to understand its light, but you must

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<v Speaker 1>instead look to what it illumines, you must look to

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<v Speaker 1>the effects in order to understand the cause, so too

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<v Speaker 1>we own only understand God by understanding the forms. You

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<v Speaker 1>look at the sun directly and you go blind. And

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<v Speaker 1>this makes sense if we say that reason is good,

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<v Speaker 1>then we mean that goodness is a higher reality than reason.

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<v Speaker 1>Reason participates in the goodness that makes all good things good.

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<v Speaker 1>And so what this means is that we can never,

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<v Speaker 1>the good that makes reason good, stands above reason. And

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<v Speaker 1>so we see this idea in the Medievals as well,

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<v Speaker 1>we have to engage at that point in a kind

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<v Speaker 1>of mysticism that doesn't work against reason. Right, we're still

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<v Speaker 1>making use of reason. We're not saying anything goes, but

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<v Speaker 1>there is a kind of mysticism that we need to

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<v Speaker 1>use to close the gap between reason and God. This

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<v Speaker 1>gap must be traversed in love and in faith, in

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<v Speaker 1>a realm that goes beyond what reason can assail. And

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<v Speaker 1>we see this idea in Scripture as well, as we're

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<v Speaker 1>told that God's presence is engulfed in unassailable light or

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<v Speaker 1>impenetrable darkness, which are two ways of saying the same thing.

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<v Speaker 1>This is not a place in which we can see

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<v Speaker 1>by ordinary means. So for Plato we have got at

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<v Speaker 1>of being, and then the shadows or particulars are in

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<v Speaker 1>the world of becoming. And let's flush us out a

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<v Speaker 1>creation account. That is, the tomaeis the Tomayos is a fascinating,

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<v Speaker 1>albeit fairly difficult, platonic dialogue that became very influential in

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<v Speaker 1>the history of pre modern thought. At a side note,

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<v Speaker 1>that may be a hook for some of you to

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<v Speaker 1>pick it up. But for now we're going to talk cosmology,

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<v Speaker 1>and so let's take a look at this. I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to read this fairly long passage and then we'll talk

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<v Speaker 1>certainly make this distinction. First, what is that which is

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<v Speaker 1>to void of an account, it comes into being and

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<v Speaker 1>passes away and never actually is. Again, all that comes

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<v Speaker 1>into being must come into being from some cause, for

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<v Speaker 1>it is impossible for anything to be generated without any cause. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>whenever a craftsman looks always to the unchanging, referring to

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<v Speaker 1>something like this as his model, he will produce its

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<v Speaker 1>form and character, and all that he fashions in this

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<v Speaker 1>way will necessarily be beautiful. But if he looks to

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<v Speaker 1>something that has come to be and uses a generated model,

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<v Speaker 1>the product will not be beautiful. And so in this passage

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<v Speaker 1>Plato says that we initially have three things. We have

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<v Speaker 1>the craftsman, who we can shorthand ask God. He's going

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<v Speaker 1>to refer to as the God. And so we have God.

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<v Speaker 1>We have the forms, and we have undifferentiated becoming. We

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<v Speaker 1>could even borrow the language of Genesis one two and

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<v Speaker 1>call this last piece the formless and the void. In fact,

431
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<v Speaker 1>calling it a formless is very much in tune with Plato,

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<v Speaker 1>because you removed form, and all you have is the chaotic.

433
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<v Speaker 1>You have the formless and the void, something very much

434
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<v Speaker 1>like nothingness. Well, the material world as we know it

435
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<v Speaker 1>is the formless void, which has become something ordered and substantial,

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<v Speaker 1>which for Plato is the same thing as saying that

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<v Speaker 1>it has come to be. It has been made into

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<v Speaker 1>something real, something knowable. Well, something is not made to

439
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<v Speaker 1>be without something that makes it to be. In other words,

440
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<v Speaker 1>a crafted work requires a craftsman who himself must not

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<v Speaker 1>come to be. He cannot be part of the world

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<v Speaker 1>of change, and therefore he must be entirely stable. He

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<v Speaker 1>must be eternal rather than temporal, and he must be

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<v Speaker 1>the cause of all ordered temporal reality. Now, the design

445
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<v Speaker 1>that the craftsmen used to order the otherwise formless and

446
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<v Speaker 1>chaotic world of becoming is found in the eternal, unmoving

447
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<v Speaker 1>world of the forms which are apprehended by noose or mind.

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<v Speaker 1>He goes on to say that it is surely obvious

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<v Speaker 1>to everyone that the model was everlasting, since the universe

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<v Speaker 1>is the most beautiful of created things, and the craftsmen

451
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<v Speaker 1>is the most excellent of causes. So having come into

452
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<v Speaker 1>being in this way, it has been made to resemble

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<v Speaker 1>that which is comprehended by reason and intelligence, and remains

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<v Speaker 1>the same. And so, in other words, this intellectual blueprint

455
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<v Speaker 1>that the craftsmen that God used in order to order

456
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<v Speaker 1>the otherwise formless and void cost moose, is itself eternal,

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<v Speaker 1>It is unmoving, It is in the world, It is

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<v Speaker 1>in the realm of being, and don't worry. In just

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<v Speaker 1>a moment, a couple of slides, I'm going to give

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<v Speaker 1>you a visual aid for mapping this out. But first

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<v Speaker 1>let's look at one more passage in the Timaeus, and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to go ahead and read this, and then

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<v Speaker 1>again we'll talk about it. Well, let us state the

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<v Speaker 1>reason why becoming and the universe were constructed by the artificer.

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<v Speaker 1>He was good, and in the good, no envy ever

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<v Speaker 1>arises about anything, and being devoid of envy, he desired

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<v Speaker 1>that all things be as much like himself as possible.

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<v Speaker 1>We would then be absolutely right to accept from men

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<v Speaker 1>of understanding that this is the supreme source of becoming

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<v Speaker 1>and of the cosmos. For the God desired that all

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<v Speaker 1>be good, and as far as possible, nothing be imperfect.

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<v Speaker 1>He therefore toook everything that was visible, which was not

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<v Speaker 1>at rest but moving discordantly and randomly, and he led

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<v Speaker 1>it from disorder to order, regarding orders entirely superior to disorder.

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<v Speaker 1>But it was not then, nor is it now lawful,

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<v Speaker 1>for the supreme good to enact anything except the supremely beautiful.

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<v Speaker 1>So on reflection, he discovered that from whatever is visible

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<v Speaker 1>by nature nothing that is made without noos is on

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<v Speaker 1>the whole ever better than something which possesses nous, and furthermore,

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<v Speaker 1>that news cannot be present in anything in the absence

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<v Speaker 1>of soul. Based on this reflection, having placed noos in soul,

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<v Speaker 1>in soul in body, he constructed the universe so that,

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<v Speaker 1>once completed, it would naturally be as beautiful and excellent

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<v Speaker 1>a piece of work as was possible. Accordingly, based upon

485
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<v Speaker 1>the likely account, we must state that this cosmos is

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<v Speaker 1>a living creature with soul and news that has, in

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<v Speaker 1>truth come into being through the providence of God. So

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<v Speaker 1>we see at the beginning of this passage that God

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<v Speaker 1>is good, and that he constructed the world to imitate

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<v Speaker 1>his own goodness to the extent that contingent and moving

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<v Speaker 1>things can approximate independent and eternal goodness. Now, in order

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<v Speaker 1>for there to be rational order, there has to be

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<v Speaker 1>nous or mind. But minds do not exist by themselves,

494
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<v Speaker 1>but are placed within souls, and so the eternal and

495
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<v Speaker 1>unmoving realities are God and the forms. They both operate

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<v Speaker 1>in this realm of being. But in order for the

497
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<v Speaker 1>forms to be instantiated in the moving cosmos, they must

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<v Speaker 1>be apprehended by nous by mind. But in order for

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<v Speaker 1>a nows to be instantiated, it must be placed in

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<v Speaker 1>a soul, and so, according to Plato, the cosmos itself

501
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<v Speaker 1>has a soul, a world soul that also contains news,

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<v Speaker 1>which is directed towards the forms, which are something like

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<v Speaker 1>the wisdom of God. A little bit later on in

504
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<v Speaker 1>the history of thought this can turn into the mind

505
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<v Speaker 1>of God, but for now the exact relationship between the

506
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<v Speaker 1>forms and God is not clearly worked out. It's kind

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<v Speaker 1>of ambiguous in Plato. But as with the cosmos, each

508
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<v Speaker 1>individual operates the kind of microcosm. As we have material

509
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<v Speaker 1>bodies that are embedded in the changing material world, which

510
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<v Speaker 1>is by nature given order to corruption and formlessness. But

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<v Speaker 1>we also have souls which are capable of movement, and

512
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<v Speaker 1>we have minds, which, rightly oriented by soul, can aim

513
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<v Speaker 1>upward toward higher, unmoving reality. And ultimately, in doing so,

514
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<v Speaker 1>we're moving in the direction of the God that we

515
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<v Speaker 1>cannot apprehend by mind. And so we use mind to

516
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<v Speaker 1>move toward God, recognizing that God himself exists beyond the

517
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<v Speaker 1>reaches of news, beyond the reaches of mind. I know

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<v Speaker 1>what I'm saying, Mind singularly, because for Plato, it's not

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<v Speaker 1>just that we have minds analogous to the divine mind.

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<v Speaker 1>Our minds are actually kind of sharing. In the divine mind,

521
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<v Speaker 1>there is news, not so much newses. And so in

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<v Speaker 1>using mind appropriately, we're not just reaching toward God. We

523
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<v Speaker 1>are very much relying on God. We're following the divine

524
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<v Speaker 1>light that comes directly from God, the divine light that

525
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<v Speaker 1>we see when we are reasoning appropriately, that the goodness

526
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<v Speaker 1>of God pervades all existent realities. And so in the

527
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<v Speaker 1>upward path, you turn inward. You don't turn outward toward

528
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<v Speaker 1>material things perceived by the senses. We turn inward toward

529
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<v Speaker 1>the soul. You turn inward toward the mind. And as

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<v Speaker 1>you turn inward, you are also moving upward. You're going

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<v Speaker 1>further up and further in. The Realms of fairy are

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<v Speaker 1>Here we are with my very sophisticated diagram, moving in

555
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<v Speaker 1>order of priority, moving from substance to nothingness. We have

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<v Speaker 1>God who uses the forms, which are something like the

557
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<v Speaker 1>wisdom or mind of God, although again Plato himself is

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit hazy about this exact connection, but in

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<v Speaker 1>any case, God uses the eternal forms as blueprints for

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<v Speaker 1>ordering of the material world, which is by nature formless

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<v Speaker 1>and void. But the forms need to be apprehended by News,

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<v Speaker 1>which needs to be placed within the soul, which mediates

563
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<v Speaker 1>between the news and the body. And on the other

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<v Speaker 1>side of the ordered body or matter, we have nothingness,

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<v Speaker 1>which can also be understood as evil because it is

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<v Speaker 1>a movement away from the goodness of God. It's movement

567
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<v Speaker 1>away from the good order that God imposes on the

568
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<v Speaker 1>otherwise chaotic, and we on the path of wisdom, will

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<v Speaker 1>use the agency of our souls to prioritize the life

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<v Speaker 1>of the mind, which reaches to the forms and ultimately

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<v Speaker 1>in the direction of God. Alternatively, we also have the

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<v Speaker 1>option of prioritizing material things and living as beasts, seeking

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<v Speaker 1>nothing more than the fulfillment of carnal desires, and in

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<v Speaker 1>so doing we become deformed. We move in the direction

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<v Speaker 1>of nothingness, we become as ghosts or shades. It's also

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<v Speaker 1>worth noting that in this dialogue Plato indicates that the

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<v Speaker 1>planets or wanderers, which is what that word means, are

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<v Speaker 1>associated with the gods, and they move in ordered, interlocking

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<v Speaker 1>spherical motion. In fact, I should say that the Tomayis

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<v Speaker 1>seems to indicate that these heavenly gods are actually the

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<v Speaker 1>true gods, as Plato demotes the Greek pantheon to the

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<v Speaker 1>rank of damons, a secondary class of divine helpers, and

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<v Speaker 1>so Plato himself is basically monotheistic. In fact, I would

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<v Speaker 1>say he is monotheistic. Now, these spherical movements of the

585
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<v Speaker 1>planets are derivative of the spherical movement of the entire cosmos,

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<v Speaker 1>because perfectly consistent spherical movement is as close as moving

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<v Speaker 1>reality can get to imitating the perfect stability of God.

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<v Speaker 1>In this understanding of the heavens is the beginning, or

589
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<v Speaker 1>at least a significant leap in near the beginning, of

590
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<v Speaker 1>an important cosmological development that will reach its height in

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<v Speaker 1>the Middle Ages. And now we are going to jump

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<v Speaker 1>over to Aristotle, Plato's student. Aristotle deviates from his teacher

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<v Speaker 1>in some rather important ways, but he also maintains some

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<v Speaker 1>important points of continuity in his metaphysics. Aristotle gives us

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<v Speaker 1>his famous cosmological argument for the existence of a prime

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<v Speaker 1>mover or an uncaused cause. This is an important argument

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<v Speaker 1>in the history of philosophy and was readily adopted by

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<v Speaker 1>the likes of Thomas Aquinas as proof for the existence

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<v Speaker 1>of God. In this argument, Aristotle makes an argument regarding motion.

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<v Speaker 1>To summarize, anything that begins to move is moved by

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<v Speaker 1>something else. Follow the sequence of dominoes back far enough,

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<v Speaker 1>and eventually you have to arrive at a starting place,

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<v Speaker 1>or else you have an infinite regress. And without a

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<v Speaker 1>real beginning, motion would be impossible. So the argument goes, well,

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<v Speaker 1>motion is possible. Obviously things move, and so there must

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<v Speaker 1>be a real beginning. There must be something that sets

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<v Speaker 1>the dominoes in motion. There must be something that moves

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<v Speaker 1>but is not itself moved. This something is the prime mover,

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<v Speaker 1>which Aristotle also refers to as God. This God is

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<v Speaker 1>eternal and fully actualized, meaning it has no potential. There's

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<v Speaker 1>nothing that it can do, because it's already the best

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<v Speaker 1>it could possibly be. It is eternal and unchanging goodness,

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<v Speaker 1>eternally contemplating its own goodness, because well, what else is

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<v Speaker 1>there for fully actualized goodness to do? If God is

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<v Speaker 1>fully good, Aristotle proposes, then God will be eternally focused

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<v Speaker 1>on that which is most good, which is himself. And

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<v Speaker 1>so this God does not intentionally do anything to set

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<v Speaker 1>the cosmos in motion. It instead moves the cosmos as

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<v Speaker 1>a beloved does its lover by producing desire. This begins

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<v Speaker 1>with the outermost edge of the cosmos, fe of the

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<v Speaker 1>primum mobile or the first movable sphere. This outermost level

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<v Speaker 1>of the cosmos moves in a perfect spherical dance and

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<v Speaker 1>imitation of its beloved, the perfectly stable, unmoving God, who

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<v Speaker 1>is fully actualized goodness. This great cosmic dance then moves

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<v Speaker 1>through the firmament or the stellatom, the realm of the

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<v Speaker 1>fixed stars, then to the planetary spheres of Saturn, Jupiter, Mars,

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<v Speaker 1>the Sun, Venus, Mercury, the Moon, and finally the Earth,

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<v Speaker 1>which is stable, almost as a kind of mockery of

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<v Speaker 1>the stability of God. And we see this idea really

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<v Speaker 1>play out in Dante, where you go to the center

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<v Speaker 1>of the Earth and that's where you find Hell. Go

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<v Speaker 1>to the center of Hell and you find that it

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<v Speaker 1>is frozen over. And so Satan is perfectly stable, just

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<v Speaker 1>as God is perfectly stable. But for very different reason.

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<v Speaker 1>And so the closer you get to absolute evil, and

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<v Speaker 1>notice I said, the closest you get. And so in

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<v Speaker 1>this kind of model we're working with, there is no

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<v Speaker 1>such thing really as absolute evil, because so the evil

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<v Speaker 1>would be nothingness. And so even Satan is at least

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<v Speaker 1>as close to nothingness as you can get. And so

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<v Speaker 1>as he is on this other side of being, the

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<v Speaker 1>other side of the spectrum from God, who fully is,

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<v Speaker 1>Satan also is stable, but very different reality. He is

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<v Speaker 1>frozen over. Satan is stable because he lacks actuality, whereas

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<v Speaker 1>God is stable because he lacks potential. And so is

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<v Speaker 1>a kind of inversion, a kind of mockery of the good.

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<v Speaker 1>So too, Earth, which is the furthest away from the

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<v Speaker 1>reality of the prime mover is, it is stable for

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<v Speaker 1>somewhat similar reasons. And so the heavens move in perfect order.

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<v Speaker 1>But then once you get below the moon, once you

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<v Speaker 1>get to Earth, we are now at the furthest point

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<v Speaker 1>away from the initiation of the great dance. We've lost

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<v Speaker 1>the same sense of desire that we see in the heavens.

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<v Speaker 1>And so the perfectly ordered movement starts to move into chaos,

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<v Speaker 1>that starts to move into corruption. Once we get down

656
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<v Speaker 1>to earth, this is where things are the most chaotic. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>now let's jump ahead to Platinus, who is likely the

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<v Speaker 1>most important foundational figure for the Platonic tradition that would

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<v Speaker 1>become known as Neoplatonism, which will be essentially Platonic, but

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<v Speaker 1>with borrowed elements from Aristotle, the Stoics, and others, as

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<v Speaker 1>well as some innovations, aim to counteract the emerging critiques

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<v Speaker 1>of Christianity. Of course, the irony is that, at least

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<v Speaker 1>according to Augustine and those who would sympathize with him,

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<v Speaker 1>that the Neoplatonists attempted to respond to Christianity, but in

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<v Speaker 1>so doing they actually have created some useful tools for

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<v Speaker 1>communicating Christian truth. In any case, let's take a look

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<v Speaker 1>at a couple of quotes from Platinus concerning good and evil. So,

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<v Speaker 1>for the good, he says that the good is that

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<v Speaker 1>on which all else depends, toward which all existences aspire

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<v Speaker 1>as to their source and their need, while itself is

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<v Speaker 1>without need, sufficient to itself, aspiring to no other, the

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<v Speaker 1>measure and term of all, giving out from itself the

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<v Speaker 1>intellec actual principle and existence and soul in life and

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<v Speaker 1>all intellective act, and then of evil. If the solution

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<v Speaker 1>is that the one act of knowing covers contraries, and

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<v Speaker 1>that as evil is the contrary to good, the one

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<v Speaker 1>act would grasp good and evil together, then to no

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<v Speaker 1>evil there must be first a clear perception and understanding

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<v Speaker 1>of good. Since the nobler existences precede the baser in

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<v Speaker 1>our ideal forms, while the less good hold no such standing,

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<v Speaker 1>are near to non being. Okay, so I know that

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<v Speaker 1>for many of you you probably didn't follow that, and

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<v Speaker 1>that's honestly to be expected at this point. But Platinus

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<v Speaker 1>affirms with Plato that the good is the ultimate and

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<v Speaker 1>independent reality on which everything else depends. Because this ultimate

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<v Speaker 1>good is the one place of absolute order, of absolute unity,

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<v Speaker 1>Platinus and the new Platonists will often refer to him

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<v Speaker 1>to this Good or this God as the one. This

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<v Speaker 1>is the place of absolute order, where there is no differentiation,

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<v Speaker 1>there's no distinction. As with Aristotle's primever, this God is

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<v Speaker 1>eternally focused on its own goodness, and so it's not

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<v Speaker 1>intentionally related to any external realities beyond itself. However, as

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<v Speaker 1>it eternally turns in on itself, it also eternally emanates

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<v Speaker 1>out contingent reality. Think of this like ripples in a pond,

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<v Speaker 1>or perhaps as a tiered fountain in which water gushes

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<v Speaker 1>up from the top tier and then trickles down to

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<v Speaker 1>the other tiers. Or maybe better yet, think of the

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<v Speaker 1>one as the Sun, which cast out as rays, not

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<v Speaker 1>because it chooses to, but because that is its nature,

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<v Speaker 1>is simply what it does. And objects closer to the

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<v Speaker 1>Sun will receive its light and its heat more fully,

702
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<v Speaker 1>but the slightness heat will diminish the further away you move.

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<v Speaker 1>And so emanations closest to the one closest to God

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<v Speaker 1>are good in proportion to said nearness, and more distant

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00:39:52.440 --> 00:39:56.199
<v Speaker 1>emanations are less good, until finally we drop off from

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<v Speaker 1>existence altogether, just as the rays of the Sun eventually

707
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<v Speaker 1>dwindle into nothingness. This nothingness, or rather this presence of lack,

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<v Speaker 1>if we want to put it that way, is what

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<v Speaker 1>evil is. It is lack. It is a privation of being.

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<v Speaker 1>It is a movement into formlessness. Now, these quotes here

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<v Speaker 1>are fairly abstract, and you can spend some time bowling

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<v Speaker 1>over them if you so desire, But I don't want

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<v Speaker 1>to get overly bogged down in Platinus at the moment.

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<v Speaker 1>If this were a course in ancient or early medieval philosophy,

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<v Speaker 1>we would spend some more time here. But for our

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<v Speaker 1>current purposes it is sufficient to say that the Good

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<v Speaker 1>or a God or the One is the only fully

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<v Speaker 1>actualized reality, and that we are good in as much

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<v Speaker 1>as we approximate this ultimate reality, and that we are evil,

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<v Speaker 1>and as much as we turn from this God toward

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<v Speaker 1>lesser things, because turning to lesser things, such as through

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<v Speaker 1>our carnal desires for material goods, orients us in the

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<v Speaker 1>direction of the formless and the void, which is evil.

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<v Speaker 1>Now Here we have our cosmological model that looks similar

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<v Speaker 1>to the diagram that I gave you for Plato. At

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<v Speaker 1>the top we have the One or God. The first

727
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<v Speaker 1>emanation from God is platos Nus. Although at this point

728
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<v Speaker 1>we have some clarification regarding the location of the forms,

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<v Speaker 1>they exist within the News, which is now explicitly identified

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<v Speaker 1>as the mind of God, and so the forms the

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<v Speaker 1>ordering principles for creation. This intellectual blueprint is found within

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<v Speaker 1>the mind of God. Now note that this mind is

733
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<v Speaker 1>an emanation, yet it is very closely associated with God himself,

734
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<v Speaker 1>and so this almost sounds Aryan, which saw the Lagoss

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<v Speaker 1>as the best of God's creation and of similar substance

736
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<v Speaker 1>to God, that Greek word being homoeusius, but not exactly God,

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<v Speaker 1>of similar substance but not exactly the same. Oh and

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<v Speaker 1>by the way, in this presentation I did not include

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<v Speaker 1>Philo of Alexandria, who is a Jewish Platonist in the

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<v Speaker 1>first centuries b c. And AD, and he belonged to

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<v Speaker 1>a period of Platonic thought that we now call Middle Platonism,

742
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<v Speaker 1>which stands between Platonism proper and Neoplatonism. Well, Filo referred

743
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<v Speaker 1>to the mind of God as the Logoss, which he

744
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<v Speaker 1>also refers to as God's Son, And isn't that interesting? Well,

745
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<v Speaker 1>in any case, we have God, and then we have

746
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<v Speaker 1>the mind of God, which is the first emanation and

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes difficult to fully differentiate from God, but is nonetheless different.

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<v Speaker 1>The next emanation is soul, in keeping with Plato, and

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<v Speaker 1>then the material world, and then nothingness on the other

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<v Speaker 1>side of things. Now, by default we are born into

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<v Speaker 1>the material world, the world of shadows, but we are

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<v Speaker 1>capable of transcending to soul and the mind in the

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<v Speaker 1>direction of God. Now in order to go further up

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<v Speaker 1>in this cosmic hierarchy, you must go within again, not

755
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<v Speaker 1>because you are anything special in yourself, but because the

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<v Speaker 1>immaterial aspects of human existence, namely the soul and the mind,

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<v Speaker 1>participate in the world soul and the divine mind, and

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<v Speaker 1>ultimately in God himself or itself. In each soul we

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<v Speaker 1>have access to the utmost foundation of reality, because everything

760
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<v Speaker 1>that exists is an overflow of God. And so in

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<v Speaker 1>each one of us we can find the divine light

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<v Speaker 1>of God that illuminates all reality for those who have

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<v Speaker 1>the eyes to see. And so when we contemplate inwardly

764
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<v Speaker 1>in this fashion, we are not really seeing ourselves at all,

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<v Speaker 1>but we are seeing the light of God, which draws

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<v Speaker 1>us further up and further in. If you'll remember those

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<v Speaker 1>words from C. S. Lewis's The Last Battle, well you

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<v Speaker 1>may now have a better image as to what he

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<v Speaker 1>is talking about, that reality goes further up and further in.

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<v Speaker 1>And of course Lewis did not hide his appreciation for

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<v Speaker 1>the Platonic tradition. The further up we go, the further

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<v Speaker 1>in we go, and the further in we go, the

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<v Speaker 1>further up we go. This is how you have worlds

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<v Speaker 1>nested within worlds, and at his root we ultimately find

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<v Speaker 1>the world of God. Now let's take a look at Augustine,

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<v Speaker 1>who is likely the most important figure in baptizing the

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<v Speaker 1>Neoplatonic model, as he took what he saw as God's

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<v Speaker 1>truth held unjustly by the Neoplatonists and brought it back

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<v Speaker 1>into its proper context, while leaving out what he saw

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<v Speaker 1>as irredeemable error. Now, Augustine, like Lewis, also did not

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<v Speaker 1>hide his appreciation for the Platonists, as he says in

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<v Speaker 1>the City of God. If then Plato defined the wise

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<v Speaker 1>man as the one who imitates, knows, loves this God,

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<v Speaker 1>and who is rendered blessed through fellowship with him in

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<v Speaker 1>his own blessedness, why discuss with the other philosophers. It

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<v Speaker 1>is evident that none come nearer to us than the Platonists.

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<v Speaker 1>So pretty clear claim there. And we see this thought

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<v Speaker 1>carried out further in this passage of the Confessions, as

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<v Speaker 1>Augustine says, what I found in reading the Platonists, not

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<v Speaker 1>precisely in these words, but saying the same thing in

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<v Speaker 1>varied in very convincing ways, was this At the origin

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<v Speaker 1>was the word, and the word was in God's presence,

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<v Speaker 1>and the Word was God. This was at the origin

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<v Speaker 1>with God, and all things were made through it, and

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<v Speaker 1>nothing was made without it. In it life was made,

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<v Speaker 1>and a life was men's light. And the light shone

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<v Speaker 1>in the darkness, and the darkness cannot control it. Further

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<v Speaker 1>that the human soul, however it may bear testimony to

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<v Speaker 1>the light, is not itself the light. God's Word is

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<v Speaker 1>the true light that gives light to every man who

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<v Speaker 1>arrives in this world. Further that he was in this world,

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<v Speaker 1>and the world was made by him, and the world

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<v Speaker 1>did not recognize him. But this I did not read.

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<v Speaker 1>There he came among his own, and his own did

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<v Speaker 1>not accept him. But to all who accepted him, who

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<v Speaker 1>believed in his title, he gave the right to become

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<v Speaker 1>God's sons. And so, as far as a system of

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<v Speaker 1>philosophy goes as a structure for understanding what reality is,

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<v Speaker 1>he believes that the Platonists do a remarkable job of

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<v Speaker 1>providing a structure that is well suited for articulating Christian truths. However,

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<v Speaker 1>what he does not find in the Platonists is a

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<v Speaker 1>real redemption. He does not see the Gospel in the Platonists.

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<v Speaker 1>He sees a God who supplies the cosmos and man

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<v Speaker 1>with existence, but not much else regarding redemption, regarding participation

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<v Speaker 1>in wisdom, there's no personal connection here. The platonic God

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<v Speaker 1>never looks on man with grace, never has any initiative

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<v Speaker 1>toward man. There's no rescue mission, and in fact, a

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<v Speaker 1>rescue mission such as we have in Christ would be

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<v Speaker 1>unthinkable because it would be philosophical sacrilege to suggest that

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<v Speaker 1>the immaterial, eternal, immutable God would take on a material body,

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<v Speaker 1>for matter was seen as intrinsically evil, approaching nothingness on

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<v Speaker 1>the grand hierarchy. And so a Platonist regarding John's Gospel

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<v Speaker 1>would likely be on board with John's teaching on creation

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<v Speaker 1>that God made all things through his logoss until they

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<v Speaker 1>get to the logos becoming flesh. And so to be

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<v Speaker 1>very clear about this, because sometimes some charges are brought

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<v Speaker 1>against Augustine that he was overly Platonic. Augustine is not

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<v Speaker 1>a wholehearted Platonist. He believes that the Platonists are of

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<v Speaker 1>great value, but that even the best that Paganism has

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<v Speaker 1>to offer lacks the Gospel. Augustine is first and foremost

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<v Speaker 1>a Christian and that is how he approaches the Platonic tradition.

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<v Speaker 1>And I should also specify that when Augustine refers to

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<v Speaker 1>the Platonist he is more likely or at least more

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<v Speaker 1>often and more directly referring to the group that we

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<v Speaker 1>now call Neoplatonists, he referring to the Platonic tradition in general. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>in this same section of the Confessions, Augustine mentioned some

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<v Speaker 1>of what the Platonists did for him. He says that

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<v Speaker 1>the books of the Platonists did provoke in me and

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<v Speaker 1>returned into myself, you guiding me, I entered my own recesses,

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<v Speaker 1>though you helping me made that possible. Entered there I

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<v Speaker 1>could see, so far as I could see anything with

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<v Speaker 1>my poor soul's vision, something beyond my soul's vision and

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<v Speaker 1>beyond my mind, in always unfailing light, not the light

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<v Speaker 1>common to all our physical vision, nor simply like that,

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<v Speaker 1>but on a grand scale, as if it had just

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<v Speaker 1>got brighter and brighter till nothing else could be seen.

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<v Speaker 1>Nothing of that sort was it, No of some other,

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<v Speaker 1>some far different sort. It was not a thing layered

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<v Speaker 1>above my mind, as oil floats above water, or heaven

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<v Speaker 1>above earth, but something higher than I am, because it

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<v Speaker 1>made me who am lower, because made by it. To

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<v Speaker 1>know truth is to know this light, and to know

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<v Speaker 1>this light is to know eternity. It is the light

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<v Speaker 1>Love knows. And so there we have it. Augustine looked

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<v Speaker 1>within and he saw the light of God. And this

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<v Speaker 1>is very common Augustinian language, which definitely mirrors the Neoplatonic

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<v Speaker 1>image of seeing the light of God within your soul.

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<v Speaker 1>If you read the Confessions, you'll find that Augustine regularly

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<v Speaker 1>talks about how he foolishly sought God or satisfaction beyond

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<v Speaker 1>himself in the things that are seen, rather than within.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the kind of thing that can be very

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<v Speaker 1>easily misunderstood due to the influence of pantheistic New Ageism

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<v Speaker 1>and whatnot today. But when Augustine talks about searching within,

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<v Speaker 1>he is looking for God's divine light, the true light

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<v Speaker 1>that enlightens all rational souls, as the Apostle John tells us.

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<v Speaker 1>And he's not looking for himself as God or anything

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<v Speaker 1>like that. And so this light which is above him,

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<v Speaker 1>this light that created him, allows him to see reality

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<v Speaker 1>within the right context. To know truth is to know

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<v Speaker 1>this light, and to know this light is to know eternity.

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<v Speaker 1>It is the light love knows, and this concept and

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<v Speaker 1>this kind of light imagery leads us right up to Boethius,

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<v Speaker 1>so sinks the mind in deep despair, and sight grows dim.

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<v Speaker 1>When the storms of life inflate the weight of earthly care,

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<v Speaker 1>the mind forgets its inward light and turns in trust

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<v Speaker 1>to the dark without again. When Boethius talks about the

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<v Speaker 1>inward light, he means the same thing as Augustine, who

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<v Speaker 1>himself is using a modified version of the neoplatonic structure

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<v Speaker 1>of reality. When we set our gaze on material things,

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<v Speaker 1>we are looking to external things, things that are not

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<v Speaker 1>by nature part of us, and are nearly nothing. As

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<v Speaker 1>Boethia says in the Constellation, you can never make what

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<v Speaker 1>is by nature external to you and internal good. That's

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<v Speaker 1>not the way that it works. We need to look

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<v Speaker 1>toward that which we are, and in looking toward that

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<v Speaker 1>which we are, we find the God who is. Why

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<v Speaker 1>would you put your hope in the volatile world of

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<v Speaker 1>becoming that teeters on the edge of the formless and

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<v Speaker 1>the void when you have recourse within to access the

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<v Speaker 1>stable light of divinity that illuminates the rightly ordered and

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<v Speaker 1>rational soul. This obsession, and I don't mean that negatively,

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<v Speaker 1>this obsession with light, would permeate these so called dark ages,

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<v Speaker 1>as the great Medievals saw all of reality, which is

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<v Speaker 1>necessarily upheld by God, as bursting forth the light associated

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<v Speaker 1>with God's presence. And this is such an ennobling, encouraging,

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<v Speaker 1>and beautiful way of looking at the world. It does

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<v Speaker 1>not matter how fortune spends her wheel, It does not

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<v Speaker 1>matter how changing circumstance may appear at any given moment.

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<v Speaker 1>The changing world will do what it always does, it

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<v Speaker 1>will change. And so if you set your gaze in

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<v Speaker 1>this direction, you will become lost in the maelstrom as

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<v Speaker 1>you approach nothingness. If, however, you cling to the light

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<v Speaker 1>of God that is present in all of existent reality,

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<v Speaker 1>as seen through the light of Reason that is embedded

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<v Speaker 1>in your soul, that you will find stability in the

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<v Speaker 1>God who is. As you strive to think in accordance

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<v Speaker 1>with the mind of God and to love in accordance

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<v Speaker 1>with the goodness of God, you move within the great

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<v Speaker 1>and cosmic dance that moves in response to the goodness

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<v Speaker 1>of God. And now I will conclude today with the

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<v Speaker 1>words of the apostle Paul as he speaks to the

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<v Speaker 1>Athenian philosophers of Mars Hill, the God who made the

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<v Speaker 1>world and everything in it, being Lord of heaven and earth,

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<v Speaker 1>does not live in temples made by man, nor is

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<v Speaker 1>he served by human hands, as though he needed anything,

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<v Speaker 1>since He himself gives to all mankind life and breath

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<v Speaker 1>in everything, and he made from one man every nation

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<v Speaker 1>of mankind to live on all the face of the earth,

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<v Speaker 1>having determined allotted periods in the boundaries of their dwelling place,

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<v Speaker 1>that they should seek God and perhaps feel their way

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<v Speaker 1>toward him and find him. Yet He is not actually

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<v Speaker 1>far from each of us, for in him we live

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<v Speaker 1>and move and have our being, as even some of

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<v Speaker 1>your own poets have said, for we are indeed His offspring.

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<v Speaker 1>With this we see that even Paul himself engages in

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<v Speaker 1>such baptism of pagan wisdom, as the Greek poet says,

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<v Speaker 1>in him we live and move and have our being

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<v Speaker 1>until next time, God's being. I hope that you enjoyed that,

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<v Speaker 1>as I know that I enjoyed putting it together. It's

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<v Speaker 1>also available on YouTube, by the way, and I'll provide

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<v Speaker 1>that link in the show notes. It's been a little

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<v Speaker 1>while since I made fresh content about philosophy proper, but

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<v Speaker 1>I'd like to get back to my roots in that regard,

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<v Speaker 1>and so we'll see what happens once I finished the

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<v Speaker 1>current Patron exclusive series on the poetic dam maybe we'll

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<v Speaker 1>go through some Plato or maybe Augustine, but I haven't

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<v Speaker 1>quite decided yet. But for now, I would like to

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<v Speaker 1>recommend to you tolstoy short story, The Death of the

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<v Speaker 1>yvon Iliach. It's possible that I've already recommended it at

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<v Speaker 1>some point, but it's worth the double recommendation if so.

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<v Speaker 1>This short story is a haunting tale of a man's

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<v Speaker 1>confrontation with his mortality, and by extension, every man's confrontation

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<v Speaker 1>with mortality, as we're all mortals doomed to die. Yet

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<v Speaker 1>despite this somber tone that tends to typify Russian literature,

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<v Speaker 1>there is great hope and there's some important sign posts

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<v Speaker 1>pointing us toward what it means to live and to

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<v Speaker 1>die well. And I intend to do a video on

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<v Speaker 1>evon Iliott soon and you can subscribe to my YouTube

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<v Speaker 1>channel to make sure that you don't miss it. And now,

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<v Speaker 1>before we go, I want to thank all of my

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<v Speaker 1>patrons for supporting the various things that I do. If

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<v Speaker 1>little bit more moving forward. But that's it for now,

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<v Speaker 1>and as a reminder, well, I will be dropping some

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<v Speaker 1>things into the public feed here and there. I am

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<v Speaker 1>officially on a Patreon exclusive season right now. I would

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<v Speaker 1>love to get to a point where I can simultaneously

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<v Speaker 1>run a public and Patron season, but I'm just not

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<v Speaker 1>there quite yet. But that's it for now and until

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