Speaker 1: You see something's going to happen.
Speaker 2: What what's gonna happen? What all you help? Welcome to
Speaker 2: the Occult Rejects. Today, we've got a special guest with us.
Speaker 2: We've got Kaiva Rose looking very very much to have
Speaker 2: a having a conversation with her. We're gonna be talking
Speaker 2: about some astrology, taro, maybe some other stuff. But before
Speaker 2: we introduce her, let me introduce the other guests. Jin
Speaker 2: what is going on?
Speaker 3: Sir?
Speaker 2: How are you?
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, thank you very much for joining us. I
Speaker 2: appreciate it. Sir, and my man Matt Moore, what is
Speaker 2: going on? Sir?
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Speaker 4: m you enter gum moo dot com. So pretty excited
Speaker 4: for today. It was actually watching a video on astrology
Speaker 4: just now and it was very interesting. So cool, let's
Speaker 4: speak about it.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, well, thank you very much for making them, Matt,
Speaker 2: I really appreciate you doing that. And uh, last, but
Speaker 2: not least, Brandon magis in the media. Sir, please let
Speaker 2: us know where way we can find your stuff.
Speaker 5: Yes, thank you, as always. Nick excited for this one, obviously,
Speaker 5: I have invested interests. Kaiva Rose is brilliant in all
Speaker 5: ways and all things, her astrology, her taro. Yeah, so
Speaker 5: I'm just really excited for this one. Her book is amazing.
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Speaker 5: on here. Here we go, let's get some traditional astrology
Speaker 5: dropped on us.
Speaker 1: Let's get it.
Speaker 2: I love it. I love it. Man, that was great.
Speaker 1: I just want to say really quick that everybody should
Speaker 1: subscribe to Brannan's magazine, The Media Channel. It is legit
Speaker 1: really good. And I give him a lot of shit
Speaker 1: when he comes on the show, but I really do
Speaker 1: like his anime episodes. I mean, I think I'm an
Speaker 1: anime episodes are pretty good too. But I'm just saying
Speaker 1: that I do think Brandon does a really good job
Speaker 1: sub to him, and so I'm there there, Brandon, I'm
Speaker 1: making up for all the times.
Speaker 3: Thank you Jin.
Speaker 5: That means the world, Thank you Jin. And if Jin
Speaker 5: says it's good, it's gotta be.
Speaker 2: I will even say. I mean there's a lot even
Speaker 2: though like the Neil Playton and there's a lot of
Speaker 2: stuff Brandon covers, so I would, you know, I suggest
Speaker 2: myself seriously go check out his stuff. You know, something impressive,
Speaker 2: pressive work. That's why as soon as I came across him,
Speaker 2: I was like, no, I should get this guy on
Speaker 2: the show. Yeah, thank you. But finally to the guests, Kaira,
Speaker 2: how are you please let everybody know where they can
Speaker 2: find your stuff and let everybody know about that book
Speaker 2: as well.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so my name's Kiva Rose, and you can find
Speaker 3: me on Instagram YouTube at Kaiva Rose. And I have
Speaker 3: been practicing astrology since twenty sixteen. That's it's pretty far
Speaker 3: into my journey, though. I would say astrology is one
Speaker 3: of the newest things that I started to study, and
Speaker 3: it's through my background that is actually able to understand
Speaker 3: a lot of astrology pretty easily.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: My book is a young adult fantasy series. It's called
Speaker 3: Rue Odyssey, and it kind of is so when I
Speaker 3: first wrote it, it was a short story. Then I
Speaker 3: took that short story and I wrote it into a
Speaker 3: screenplay because I was living in Los Angeles, and actually
Speaker 3: it became a screenplay when I was doing my Buddhist practice.
Speaker 3: I was at the temple and all of a sudden,
Speaker 3: the story just like channeled it to me, and so
Speaker 3: I started writing it and became a screenplay. So from
Speaker 3: a screenplay, I had in pre product or in development
Speaker 3: for like six four to six years, and then I
Speaker 3: took it back into my own hands because some things
Speaker 3: happened with my producer, and then I wrote it into
Speaker 3: novels and so it was actually really fun to write
Speaker 3: them into novels because the story was so much part
Speaker 3: of my life for so long, and it was actually
Speaker 3: writing them into novels that I was actually able to
Speaker 3: really flash out the story and make it so much
Speaker 3: more full of mystical, metaphysical, you know, spiritual things as
Speaker 3: well as some Buddhist things as well as astrology. So yeah,
Speaker 3: it's a young adult fantasy series and it's fun. So
Speaker 3: it's steampunk magical realism. And you can find it at
Speaker 3: rooodyssey dot com.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much, Thank you so much. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: mean I hate to do it, but it's just the
Speaker 2: same question I ask all people that come on the show,
Speaker 2: like this, what was it I got into this? How
Speaker 2: did you end up getting into this type of stuff?
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I would say my journey began a long
Speaker 3: time ago, probably like lifetimes ago, but actually in this lifetime,
Speaker 3: I've always been super sensitive. So since I was a child,
Speaker 3: I was always sensitive to what everybody was feeling, what
Speaker 3: everybody was going through, and I would always I would
Speaker 3: kind of like take it on, you know. So I
Speaker 3: was like I would hear things, I would feel things.
Speaker 3: I was just very very sensitive. And so when I
Speaker 3: went into high school, you know, we all have our
Speaker 3: guardians taking us on our journey right. So in high
Speaker 3: school I really expanded my consciousness through plant medicine, and
Speaker 3: so I was able to connect to I guess you
Speaker 3: could say it was like my guardian, you know, your
Speaker 3: holy guardian, angel, whatever you want to call it, your
Speaker 3: spear guide. And I started I would like always write
Speaker 3: in my journal and I would get these really intelligent things.
Speaker 3: And as a high schooler, I was like, how do
Speaker 3: I know this type of stuff? Like I shouldn't know
Speaker 3: this information, and so my journal became my way of
Speaker 3: connecting to It was like my own therapy. But it
Speaker 3: was also like bringing through this information. I always thought
Speaker 3: it felt like maybe in my past life I was
Speaker 3: like some philosopher, or maybe it's my guides that are
Speaker 3: telling me this information. I'm not quite sure. But so
Speaker 3: my journey began very like in an experiential way. So
Speaker 3: with like plant medicines, I was able to really expand
Speaker 3: my consciousness, break out of the norms. And then when
Speaker 3: I was eighteen years old, I moved to Minneapolis, and
Speaker 3: then I was I got into kind of like western Erbalism.
Speaker 3: So I went to school for western Erbalism, and through
Speaker 3: that I got into the chakra system, learning about flower essences.
Speaker 3: But really through stones, I was able to actually understand energetics.
Speaker 3: So for me as being somebody who's very, very sensitive
Speaker 3: to everything, stones were the first thing that taught me
Speaker 3: how to feel something that was healthy, not like my
Speaker 3: life was unhealthy, but you know, a stone is like
Speaker 3: it's wisdom, right, So it's like energy that's been you know,
Speaker 3: living material that's been compacted over like millions of years
Speaker 3: to become a single crystal. So it's a lot of
Speaker 3: information in that crystal. And so I was able to
Speaker 3: I took some courses on gemstones and how to do
Speaker 3: readings with gemstones and then yeah, so with that I
Speaker 3: did that, and then the flower essences. And through the
Speaker 3: flower essences, it was interesting because my teacher was like
Speaker 3: this crazy, mad alchemist type of guy, and he the
Speaker 3: first class I went to with him, he had this
Speaker 3: flower essence that he made under some like astrological configuration,
Speaker 3: and like we got to class and he just like
Speaker 3: dropped us with all this with these like little droppers
Speaker 3: of flower essences that were like made on a specific time.
Speaker 3: So it was like my past made me super sensitive
Speaker 3: to understand like what we just experienced, like because it
Speaker 3: was holding an energy, and so it kind of changed
Speaker 3: your consciousness ever so slightly with the energy of the plant,
Speaker 3: not like psychedelic, but it's like a very subtle energy, right,
Speaker 3: So so yeah, and then from there I learned the
Speaker 3: chakra system and then I became a Buddhist in twenty eleven.
Speaker 3: So actually being sensitive to everything I learned the stones,
Speaker 3: I learned everything. I didn't really do any more plant
Speaker 3: medicine after that time period. It wasn't until I found
Speaker 3: Buddhism that I actually really started to develop like a
Speaker 3: really solid practice for myself. Like I had done goddess
Speaker 3: worship and like goddess practice and like all these things.
Speaker 3: So I had an altar, I had everything set up,
Speaker 3: but it wasn't until I became a Buddhist that I
Speaker 3: actually had like a daily practice that I was able
Speaker 3: to set up and everything like that. And so I'm
Speaker 3: a Nietron Shoshoe Buddhist. So we have a scroll, so
Speaker 3: we don't worship figures or anything like that. We it's
Speaker 3: a scroll and it's essentially a talisman. So like the
Speaker 3: way I look at it is that each of the
Speaker 3: scrolls is like handwritten and it has an opening of
Speaker 3: the eye ceremony that it goes through, and so it's
Speaker 3: like a really powerful thing. And so when I first
Speaker 3: saw the Gohansen, I like energetically just had a very
Speaker 3: had like a very specific experience, and I was like,
Speaker 3: that thing is alive, Like I need to do this thing.
Speaker 3: And so then I just started becoming really devotional in
Speaker 3: my practice because I lived like half a mile away
Speaker 3: from the temple, so every morning I'd wake up at
Speaker 3: you know, six o'clock and go champ for however long
Speaker 3: I needed to. Because at that time, you know, I
Speaker 3: was very experienced with like energetics, how to do things,
Speaker 3: how to feel things, but not necessarily ground myself. And
Speaker 3: so it was through like my Buddhist practice, I was
Speaker 3: actually able to pull everything together. And so that was that,
Speaker 3: and then my astrology practice actually helped make sense of
Speaker 3: my entire life. So astrology has a really special place
Speaker 3: in my heart because it was only when I started
Speaker 3: to read astrology that I noticed that like, I'm not
Speaker 3: you know, I'm not crazy or I'm not just like
Speaker 3: out of place like I am. I have a very
Speaker 3: Uranian nature, which makes me I don't attach to things right.
Speaker 3: So it's like people can see that as like unreliable
Speaker 3: or scattered or anything like that. But it was through
Speaker 3: learning astrology that I was able to kind of make
Speaker 3: sense of everything. So that's a little bit of a
Speaker 3: gist of everything.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was actually thinking about doing shows on crystals too.
Speaker 2: There's so much stuff like scientifically pisio electricity and all
Speaker 2: that stuff that I don't think most yeah crystal, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean even with the Herb series, I have to
Speaker 2: pat myself on the back, but I think there's a
Speaker 2: lot of things that I don't know. I just like,
Speaker 2: if you were to listen to it, I don't know
Speaker 2: if you've even said that. I put it out. A
Speaker 2: lot of these herbs, the things that you think that
Speaker 2: they're supposedly doing, if you look at what it does
Speaker 2: to you, like, you know, physiologically, I could see whether
Speaker 2: they're saying it banishes this and banishes that, it gets
Speaker 2: rid of fucking stress, anxiety, fear, all these things. It's
Speaker 2: just like, sometimes I'm wonder, is it actually the herb
Speaker 2: that's really doing the magic? You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: M hmmm.
Speaker 2: So, and I even wonder that about crystals to an extent.
Speaker 3: Mm hmmm. Well, it's like everything has a certain information, right.
Speaker 3: So it's like I always look at you know, like
Speaker 3: we have these stones to teach us, like, yes, they
Speaker 3: can protect us from things everything like that, but it's
Speaker 3: really to teach you how to have a stronger aura. Right.
Speaker 3: So it's like everything is a teacher. We can and
Speaker 3: that's where it's like plant medicine is a teacher, and
Speaker 3: like I haven't even done anything for some time because
Speaker 3: it was like it was so much a part of
Speaker 3: my journey when I was younger that I got it.
Speaker 3: I got it, I understood it, and I moved you know,
Speaker 3: moved on.
Speaker 2: So I guess what, uh, what kind of got you
Speaker 2: into Well, if you want to talk about the book,
Speaker 2: I was going to ask you what got you even
Speaker 2: thinking about writing a book?
Speaker 3: Yeah? So it was actually so I was kind of
Speaker 3: like searching for or something in life, you know, Like
Speaker 3: I when I first moved to Los Angeles, that's when
Speaker 3: I became a Buddhist, and so a lot of the
Speaker 3: journey kind of just revolves around my experience as a Buddhist.
Speaker 3: Because I never thought I would be a screenwriter. I
Speaker 3: never thought I'd be a writer like that was never
Speaker 3: I like short stories, I like poetry. I like because
Speaker 3: I like to entertain myself, you know, And it was
Speaker 3: through one day I was at the temple and I
Speaker 3: was like, well, what is my life purpose? Like what
Speaker 3: am I doing? Like seriously, what am I doing? And
Speaker 3: all of a sudden, like the story just like started
Speaker 3: just pouring in. And it was a short story that
Speaker 3: had written before, So that short story all of a sudden,
Speaker 3: like the characters became alive in my head, and like
Speaker 3: the whole thing became alive. And so the reason it
Speaker 3: became a novel is because when I, like I said,
Speaker 3: when I had to break apart from my producer, I
Speaker 3: couldn't let the story go like I did go for
Speaker 3: like an entire year and just like lived in Mont
Speaker 3: Shasta and just enjoyed life. But then you know, then
Speaker 3: it was like, okay, well what am I doing with
Speaker 3: this story that had so much a part of my life?
Speaker 3: So I just decided to write it into a novel.
Speaker 3: And you know, the screenplay was so developed that it
Speaker 3: actually wasn't hard to write the novel because the screenplay
Speaker 3: is essentially an outline for a book. And another reason too,
Speaker 3: is because I love the characters like I love my
Speaker 3: characters in my book, they're so fun. So part of
Speaker 3: it is like the costume design was a part that
Speaker 3: I loved, and just the overall message because I think
Speaker 3: the reason I wrote this story is because I was
Speaker 3: as I was a young woman, and I was so rebellious,
Speaker 3: but it wasn't necessarily like rebellious against something. I was
Speaker 3: just aware that things were broken, and I was so sensitive,
Speaker 3: like I could hear what people were saying, because you
Speaker 3: can't lie to me, your tone, everything about what you say.
Speaker 3: I can tell what you're saying, even if it's said
Speaker 3: in like the most nicest way and most people can't
Speaker 3: hear it. I would hear what people are actually saying.
Speaker 3: And I think that's one thing that is very apparent
Speaker 3: in the book. As there's like these characters called the dignitaries.
Speaker 3: Dignitaries are essentially like you know, just like the lords
Speaker 3: of this village, and they have changed what was once
Speaker 3: like a very harmonious village connected to the mystical land
Speaker 3: of Rue, like it was one of these communities. Rue
Speaker 3: is a mystical land, and so there was a community.
Speaker 3: Seven communities left from there and then they each went
Speaker 3: to different areas of the world, and so each of
Speaker 3: those communities made its own you know, town and village whatever,
Speaker 3: and then the dignitaries. It plays on the idea that
Speaker 3: like there's always going to be evil, so like once
Speaker 3: they leave that mystical land, like the evils are already there, right,
Speaker 3: So it's like the world was purified and then the
Speaker 3: communities left the mystical land and evil just appears right away,
Speaker 3: and you get to see like what is the progress
Speaker 3: of how long it took for evils to take over
Speaker 3: this village and make what was once harmonious homogeneous? Right,
Speaker 3: because they're controlled by a clock tower. So this whole
Speaker 3: idea is like there's this clock tower that can controls
Speaker 3: the entire village and the only people that don't abide
Speaker 3: to it are Priscilla, the main character, and then her
Speaker 3: friends and they just like hang out in the cherry
Speaker 3: orchard and just like live right, And so they wear
Speaker 3: these magical hats that cover their heads because everybody has
Speaker 3: ravens connected to their hair, which are controlled by the
Speaker 3: clock tower. Yeah, and so everybody's yeah, so but the
Speaker 3: friend group each has a hat that they put over
Speaker 3: their ravens. It's a magical hat. And then there's like
Speaker 3: one friend who's like super into that it's that there's
Speaker 3: this big conspiracy happening. These dignitaries are not good because
Speaker 3: his grandfather left him a book and so he's kind
Speaker 3: of like one of the like outsider friends. And then
Speaker 3: the main character's grandmother dies and she was a carrier
Speaker 3: of the wisdom of the past as well, and so
Speaker 3: Priscilla is given object that's been her family's oh since
Speaker 3: the beginning of time, and upon her grandmother's death, she
Speaker 3: has to return this object back to the mystical land.
Speaker 3: So she escapes out of the force field and he
Speaker 3: meets like a cast named chorus of you know, eccentric,
Speaker 3: circus vagabond steampunk characters along the way. And then yeah,
Speaker 3: my character is Frida. She is the eccentric sorceress. She's
Speaker 3: the eccentric like sorceress who lives on an island all
Speaker 3: by herself and she's like an astrologer that type of thing. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but then there's other characters that are like super fun,
Speaker 3: but she's like the most. People always love her the
Speaker 3: most because it's like my characters, I always put a
Speaker 3: lot of energy like what she was like, Yeah, g.
Speaker 2: No, Madam Brandon Interviews have anything I do actually, so
Speaker 2: sorry Nick, Yeah, I do actually have a question.
Speaker 1: It's it kind of builds on Nick's question about the book.
Speaker 1: But because of the kind of Buddhists you are, because
Speaker 1: I'm a Vadriiana Buddhist, so for me, I can understand,
Speaker 1: like I understand with like the beija, you have a
Speaker 1: cidem script. The word is the deity for us as well,
Speaker 1: but we just we also have the deity, but it's
Speaker 1: also the madola, so we just use that as the
Speaker 1: sort of the husk representation of the you know, deeper meaning.
Speaker 1: So I get what you're doing. It's like the visualization
Speaker 1: of the word really or the veneration of the words.
Speaker 1: So do you think that actually improves your ability in
Speaker 1: writing and like also storytelling. Sorry, I know I was
Speaker 1: a little meandering, but I feel like it might strengthen
Speaker 1: like your relationship with actual words and narrative.
Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely. Well, so the Buddhist practice I do is
Speaker 3: like we chant to the scroll, so the scroll has
Speaker 3: the meo symbol, and we focus on the Meo symbol.
Speaker 3: So when we focus on the meosymbol, we're actually kind
Speaker 3: of like well, personally, like my experience, and I think
Speaker 3: other people do. It's like you do enter into this
Speaker 3: other sort of realm, right, And so I think when
Speaker 3: it came to just focusing on that, I wasn't looking
Speaker 3: for anything, and so I would say, like, yes, it
Speaker 3: does help my writing because like as a writer, I
Speaker 3: know this sounds crazy, but like I don't necessarily believe
Speaker 3: in writer's block, right, I think like there's a time
Speaker 3: for things to flow. And I think that when it
Speaker 3: came to the process of writing, You're absolutely right that
Speaker 3: the Buddhist practice, like my practice, actually helped just keep
Speaker 3: me open right to receive that information, because what would
Speaker 3: happen is I would just write it all in my
Speaker 3: notebook and I would go home and then I would
Speaker 3: write it all on the computer. Does that answer your question?
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely. I'm sorry to articulate it that well, but
Speaker 1: I think that is exactly what I was trying to
Speaker 1: get to, Like the like you're going to primordial ground.
Speaker 1: I understood. We would call that riga for us. So
Speaker 1: I completely get that, or the fifth consciousness, that kind
Speaker 1: of a kashik, you know, not abiding as they would say.
Speaker 2: So I get it.
Speaker 1: I do understand what you're talking about. And I agree,
Speaker 1: and I think it makes you a much better receptor,
Speaker 1: as you said, or a vessel for piecing together sort
Speaker 1: of like the words that aren't maybe as empty as
Speaker 1: the mio.
Speaker 3: So mm hmm, yeah for sure.
Speaker 2: One thing I did want to ask, Uh, you got
Speaker 2: into astrology before you got into Buddhism. Correct, Well, my story.
Speaker 3: With astrology is actually my mom got me into. So
Speaker 3: my mom was like dabbling in astrology, so she had
Speaker 3: astrology books everywhere, and she had my chart done when
Speaker 3: I was younger. But I actually got into Buddhism committed
Speaker 3: to Buddhism first before I started studying astrology. So I
Speaker 3: became a Buddhist in twenty eleven, and then I became
Speaker 3: where I like really gave into my studies for astrology
Speaker 3: in twenty sixteen.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I guess what I was getting at is
Speaker 2: did astrology happen to change like the way that maybe
Speaker 2: you might have looked at Did astrology change, you know,
Speaker 2: from being getting into Buddhism. Did you happen to change
Speaker 2: like astrology at all? Because there's been some times that
Speaker 2: Jin I noticed Jin has looked at this stuff differently
Speaker 2: than most people because what he's into in astrology. I
Speaker 2: was just wondering if what happens with you?
Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely, So I would say, you know, one thing
Speaker 3: that is interesting is like my relationship to Taro and astrology,
Speaker 3: is there not religious practice for me? Like I am
Speaker 3: a Buddhist that is like my religion first and foremost,
Speaker 3: and what I as far as like astrology and like
Speaker 3: how my Buddhist practice and like I would say, like
Speaker 3: in Buddhism, there are the ten worlds, right, So like
Speaker 3: when I think of like the stars and the planets,
Speaker 3: I do I do wonder, like I don't even know
Speaker 3: if this is a thing, but I do wonder if
Speaker 3: that's like what the body soatvas are you know, like yes,
Speaker 3: they are also like the incarnations on earth. But I
Speaker 3: also think, like to play around with the idea that
Speaker 3: like these stars are intelligences, right, And so part of
Speaker 3: the thing that I love to do is actually just
Speaker 3: stare at a specific star and bring my lyre and
Speaker 3: just like play my lyre and connect with the energy
Speaker 3: of that star. But I do I do think in
Speaker 3: wonder if and this is something I'm going to explore
Speaker 3: with more, is like this idea of the different stars
Speaker 3: because actually the one of the stars. Kashyappa was one
Speaker 3: of the followers of Shaki Munu Buddha, and Kashyappa is
Speaker 3: one of the stars in the sky right, It's the
Speaker 3: one in Cassiopeia. And I'm not the biggest fan of
Speaker 3: like the mythology of Cassiopeia, so I kind of just
Speaker 3: call it Kashyapa to begin with, because I actually like
Speaker 3: the idea that there is like a Buddhist constellation in
Speaker 3: the sky, so I think there is more to explore
Speaker 3: with that. But I would say, yeah, my relationship to
Speaker 3: Buddhism and astrology, it probably makes my experience with astrology
Speaker 3: a little bit different because I'm approaching it from like
Speaker 3: more of like a scientific point of view, like I
Speaker 3: do think. I mean, astrology is a science, it's a
Speaker 3: it's been a science, but it has like a spiritual,
Speaker 3: psychic element to it, like you. And that's why I think,
Speaker 3: like AI is a funny thing to think about taking
Speaker 3: over astrology, because it's like you need to have that
Speaker 3: psychic connection of human to human and to be able
Speaker 3: to read what that person is going through and who
Speaker 3: they are and how that sits in their life. So
Speaker 3: so yeah, I don't know if the answers your question.
Speaker 1: I think that was great personally, I think that was
Speaker 1: a really good answer. It shows that I'm not like
Speaker 1: I don't just you know, say anything.
Speaker 2: That's why another reason what it is to yeah, you know, because.
Speaker 1: It shows that you have a flexible you have a
Speaker 1: flexible worldview, because you understand that we live in a multiverse,
Speaker 1: that the stars, perhaps especially in the East Asian and
Speaker 1: the Tontrich cosmology, the stars are perhaps more important than
Speaker 1: even the planets themselves, and that there is a karmic
Speaker 1: relationship to all the things you're doing, including giving the reading.
Speaker 1: So this is a big thing that I think. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm not casting ex versions on anyone, but I just
Speaker 1: think that, like what Kiva Rose is saying is fundamentally
Speaker 1: the way I would approach ase strology as well, like flexible,
Speaker 1: able to incorporate different frameworks. I prefer the Vedic system
Speaker 1: or I prefer them system myself. That's just me personally,
Speaker 1: but I can accept that other people prefer seven luminaries.
Speaker 2: I just also know that, as she.
Speaker 1: Said, like it's a ten world system. So you know,
Speaker 1: like maybe we maybe we live in the seven world
Speaker 1: system or the seven star system. Maybe but the next
Speaker 1: world over and maybe that's eight Star System. So there's
Speaker 1: there's there is a karmic accounting, a karmic relationship between
Speaker 1: all the worlds, and so there you have to be
Speaker 1: able to be broad minded, I think is the I
Speaker 1: think is the takeaway from dharma. I think that for me,
Speaker 1: I don't want to speak for anyone, but I think
Speaker 1: that's a great answer.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think we're respecting everybody's like individual experience, right,
Speaker 3: And that's where it's like when people ask me where
Speaker 3: they should begin, right, it's like, well, I don't know.
Speaker 3: I began like taking psychedelics, so I don't know, you know,
Speaker 3: And that's like I broke away from the system a
Speaker 3: long time ago, and my journey ended a long time
Speaker 3: started a long time ago. And so I think it's
Speaker 3: you have to respect everybody's life purpose. And that's where
Speaker 3: people listening to their own God, right, like listen, be quiet,
Speaker 3: sit in silence, do something that allows you to hear
Speaker 3: that voice that is quiet or maybe it's not quiet.
Speaker 3: Mine's not so quiet, but listen. Because we each have
Speaker 3: everything is guiding us, everything is taking us to the
Speaker 3: next level, which is why I think it's interesting how
Speaker 3: like when you look at your individual path, you don't
Speaker 3: necessarily need to belong to like a school right where
Speaker 3: they teach you ABCD on how to be spiritual or
Speaker 3: anything or whatever. Right, Like, you will have your own
Speaker 3: experience and it will be perfect for you and it
Speaker 3: will give you everything that is meant for you because
Speaker 3: it's your karma experience, right, And so we all have
Speaker 3: something we're here to learn, and we all have different
Speaker 3: relationships to different things.
Speaker 4: So yeah, yeah, definitely. And it's funny because, like I mentioned,
Speaker 4: I was watching a video on astrology just before this,
Speaker 4: and it was a guy basically making who was trying
Speaker 4: to match like some philosophical things with some of Young's work,
Speaker 4: and a guy named white Head and whatever, like just
Speaker 4: trying to mash everything, trying to explain how astrology could
Speaker 4: work and how it can work. Because again, things happen
Speaker 4: in multi dimensional aspects. So you can take astrology as
Speaker 4: for let's say, divination practice, or you can take astrology
Speaker 4: as marketing, Like marketing uses a strology they have to
Speaker 4: help arketize and can use it to understand a company
Speaker 4: and see how you can better sell stuff because people
Speaker 4: are going to be more or less at tuned to
Speaker 4: an archetype and what on. And again you can just
Speaker 4: take the system off, let's say, dividing things into elements,
Speaker 4: into the four elements, and then again you can get
Speaker 4: those elements and apply to your life, like how can
Speaker 4: I improve my social relationships let's sake, and then that's
Speaker 4: going to be let's say more water element, or how
Speaker 4: can I improve my will? Or fire element and so on.
Speaker 4: So again it's just a system, and you can see
Speaker 4: it from many different aspects. You can try to see
Speaker 4: the physical component of it. Let's say, oh, if do
Speaker 4: planets really radiate something, and then that also affects us
Speaker 4: or is a more thing from time, just like time
Speaker 4: a cyclical and fertalized. So we kind of by looking
Speaker 4: at what's happening there, we can understand what's happening here
Speaker 4: and san So there are many ways you can understand this.
Speaker 4: And the important thing is, like General's talking about, just
Speaker 4: being able to see that from any different aspects and
Speaker 4: getting like we're saying, for you, what makes more sense,
Speaker 4: what happens, what works best for you is than what
Speaker 4: it can synthesize, right, because otherwise you just just create
Speaker 4: a bunch of preconceptions and you cannot work with anything right,
Speaker 4: Like a lot of people, especially in the West two
Speaker 4: left bringed and then they can just look at like
Speaker 4: logic and number and whatever what they think is and
Speaker 4: they just get stuck on that. So it's very nice,
Speaker 4: and I guess yes, psychadetics literally will open more of
Speaker 4: the other brains. But also, like you were talking about
Speaker 4: working with Buddhism and Swan, so that's pretty nice. Yeah.
Speaker 3: So what's interesting, Yeah, what's interesting what you're bringing up
Speaker 3: is there are different types of astrology. So there is
Speaker 3: electional astrology, so marketers, you know, people that plan things.
Speaker 3: Electional astrology is essentially kind of why I said to
Speaker 3: you Nick, like this would be a good time to
Speaker 3: do in astrology reading because we had the ascendant was Gemini,
Speaker 3: and Mercury is the ruler of Gemini, and Mercury is
Speaker 3: at the MC which is in the southernmost the southernmost
Speaker 3: place of this well it's on the meridian, so it's
Speaker 3: in the southern sky, on the highest place of the
Speaker 3: ecliptic essentially, and so because of that, it means that
Speaker 3: Mercury's influence on our conversation is really good, and Mercury
Speaker 3: does rule communication and exchanging of information, and so astrology
Speaker 3: is one of those things where it works because they
Speaker 3: are big giant energy balls, right, So these are giant
Speaker 3: balls of energy in the sky, and like that's where
Speaker 3: I think my experience with stones really helped me understand
Speaker 3: and made it easy for me to understand astrology because
Speaker 3: these giant energies that are in the sky as they
Speaker 3: move and have an aspectual relationship to you. They look
Speaker 3: at our Earth from a specific angle, and they look
Speaker 3: at the other planets from a specific angle. That's an experience.
Speaker 3: Just like if you're going to set up your office
Speaker 3: and you want to have a good communication, you're going
Speaker 3: to do one hundred and twenty degrees between each of
Speaker 3: the people because if you do one hundred and twenty degrees,
Speaker 3: the energy flows, because it's a trine where if you
Speaker 3: want to have a very you know, confrontational experience, right,
Speaker 3: you're going to go one hundred and eighty degrees a
Speaker 3: person sits right across from you, or you go ninety degrees.
Speaker 3: So the fact that you know astrology is an actual
Speaker 3: lived experience and you can't not experience it. You know,
Speaker 3: we have if astrology is easy to understand, because if
Speaker 3: you believe in the seasons, right, if you believe in
Speaker 3: day and night, you kind of have to believe in astrology, right.
Speaker 3: The sun is the life giver. The sun is the
Speaker 3: life giver. Therefore we're experiencing the heat of the sun.
Speaker 3: It's giving us life, right, And so it's not hard
Speaker 3: to not it's not hard to believe in an astrology
Speaker 3: because we actually get to experience and said day and night,
Speaker 3: the seasons. So so yeah, that's something interesting. And then yeah,
Speaker 3: there's different types of astrology, so like electional astrology, you
Speaker 3: know people use that. Uh, there's horrory astrology which is
Speaker 3: really good as well, which is essentially like a divination
Speaker 3: type of astrology. Brandon and I had an experience where
Speaker 3: we lost the key to our house and when we
Speaker 3: were on our trip and we lost the key, and
Speaker 3: I was like.
Speaker 2: I did and I found it.
Speaker 3: It was so amazingly, it was like nobody remembers that
Speaker 3: Brandon had the key. I swear I had the key.
Speaker 3: I swear I lost it. And then I did an
Speaker 3: horrory and I was like, Brandon, you have the key.
Speaker 3: It's in here. It's like in a pocket, it's somewhere
Speaker 3: warm between two things, and he's like no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 3: he was, he was, And then I found the key
Speaker 3: in his breast pocket, so it was like in this
Speaker 3: tucked warm area. So you know, you have these experiences
Speaker 3: with astrology, and I'm not even like a person. I
Speaker 3: never want to be a person that's like, yeah, you
Speaker 3: should believe astrology because honestly, I don't care, like it
Speaker 3: doesn't actually affect my life whether or not somebody believes
Speaker 3: in anything that I do. But astrology does work, and
Speaker 3: you can, like when I do readings for people, you know,
Speaker 3: I'll say like, Okay, in six months, you know your
Speaker 3: relationship with your daughter is going to change. You know,
Speaker 3: right now your daughter is going through dot dot dot.
Speaker 3: And sure enough, like six months later, I'll get a
Speaker 3: call from that client and they'll be like, oh my god,
Speaker 3: how did you You're right my daughter and my relationship
Speaker 3: has changed. So astrology is very powerful. You can't not
Speaker 3: experience it because we always experience it. But you can
Speaker 3: better equip yourself by knowing what's going to happen. And
Speaker 3: that's when I think the beauty of astrology as a practice.
Speaker 3: It allows you to equip yourself so that you can
Speaker 3: prepare for what is to come.
Speaker 2: Do you you prescribe to like suderio or tropical whichever, Like,
Speaker 2: do you use both or do you prefer I.
Speaker 3: Do tropical astrology? Okay, hmm, yeah, so that's where I
Speaker 3: started serial astrology people. You know, it's like like some
Speaker 3: Western astrologers do use cedeial, but it's mainly main astrologers.
Speaker 2: I don't want to say. I mean not that I'm
Speaker 2: really I'm not trying to knock either one, but like
Speaker 2: if one is more specific of the actual size of
Speaker 2: the zodiac, I don't understand why people don't use that.
Speaker 2: So the ceial is actually exactly the size of the zodiac, correct,
Speaker 2: I mean the zodiacs that don't take up that much room,
Speaker 2: but yet we attribute it to them.
Speaker 3: So the matereial is based on the stars, so it
Speaker 3: changes the it changes the signs ever so slightly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, somebody have a totally different birth chart if you use.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because we consider procession. So in tropical astrology, actually
Speaker 3: a star will move every seventy years, so if and so. Yeah,
Speaker 3: so that's what's a cute accounted in tropical strology.
Speaker 2: It's either one of them are I'm totally point on
Speaker 2: if you look at it.
Speaker 4: I mean, if you think about it, it's the same
Speaker 4: way you have different cabalas, right, you have different trees.
Speaker 4: It's just like one prefer is looking at one particular
Speaker 4: thing more than the other, and like different systems, even
Speaker 4: the in nostrology are going to have like different house systems.
Speaker 4: So again it can divide things with whole signs or
Speaker 4: like different systems and so on, then that's going to
Speaker 4: change stuff. But if you look at so the thing is,
Speaker 4: if you work with that through the way's created, then
Speaker 4: it's going to work just as well as any other.
Speaker 4: So for example, if you work with the whole signs
Speaker 4: the way the guys who created the whole sigence intended
Speaker 4: it to be, it's gonna work just as well as
Speaker 4: if you used whatever placidors or whatever other systems. Right,
Speaker 4: So it's more so how you go about it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, kind of whatever you prefer. No, I
Speaker 2: just I just know some people get crazy with touch.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well you can use either one. Either one are
Speaker 3: relevant and that's like the that's the beauty of astrology
Speaker 3: is like it does take that human connection to understand
Speaker 3: and read the chart, right, like you're going to come
Speaker 3: to me for a specific reason because of how I
Speaker 3: read things right, and you're going to get to me
Speaker 3: through the way that you need to get to you know.
Speaker 3: So it's like you're going to find what you need.
Speaker 3: And because your guardians are going to guide you. So
Speaker 3: if like somebody needs it's cdereal, they're going to find
Speaker 3: that person, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: M I did have a quick followup if that's okay, Okay,
Speaker 1: give a rose Brand has everything he never said to
Speaker 1: you when you were talking about the crystals and how
Speaker 1: they understood the planets, Like, has he ever been like
Speaker 1: that's Cabala because that's what you describe, is that's Cabala.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he you know, we do talk about all this
Speaker 3: stuff a lot, and it's his experience is like, yeah,
Speaker 3: through the lens of Kabala and everything like that. I've
Speaker 3: actually never studied Kabala. It's never been in my it's
Speaker 3: never been on my path for whatever reason. So so yeah,
Speaker 3: we do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, I just think it's interesting because you don't
Speaker 1: have to study Kabbala from what from the way you
Speaker 1: were describing it, because you actually have a fundamental say
Speaker 1: already you already get it, like you're already at the
Speaker 1: basis of what it is. So like, yes, and men
Speaker 1: do prefer It's interesting, men actually do prefer doing it more.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna use it. I'm using this as a joke.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying all people are in Kabala are autists,
Speaker 1: but there is a there's there's a there's an element,
Speaker 1: there's an element of a little tism. Okay, So yeah,
Speaker 1: men do tend to like doing it because we like
Speaker 1: building out the past. Yeah, and like really exploring the relationships,
Speaker 1: like in very like with extreme specificity, where women are
Speaker 1: naturally more sepharatic, so they are actually more able to
Speaker 1: travel through the pure concept of the supra, just like
Speaker 1: you were describing with the crystals, like really tuning into
Speaker 1: that energy. Some men can do that, but it's quite rare.
Speaker 1: It really is is quite rare. We really it comes
Speaker 1: a lot. We are much more mercurial in that way.
Speaker 1: We tend to be much more led by like that
Speaker 1: kind of hope what I'm gonna call hold like impulse,
Speaker 1: like that kind of like flash of lightning or flash
Speaker 1: of insight, and women tend to be much more like
Speaker 1: of the nature of light, like aring that talk like
Speaker 1: like the respondence of a diamond.
Speaker 3: Nice that makes sense? Yeah, no, I do.
Speaker 5: I completely agree with that. She Yeah, No, what's fascinating
Speaker 5: is and Gin. You and I kind of go back
Speaker 5: and forth because you're a really good sword with that.
Speaker 5: But I sometimes get a little stuck on the correspondences
Speaker 5: and on certain things like that in my mercurial way.
Speaker 5: And she's really good at bouncing me out, being all like, well,
Speaker 5: I don't think you need that, and I'm like, okay,
Speaker 5: because what she's saying is exactly like what I'm trying
Speaker 5: to get at, just for more of her feminine slash,
Speaker 5: like I will state.
Speaker 3: Her ability to.
Speaker 5: Uh do astrology is fascinating, And I do want to
Speaker 5: ask a question, and I think think everyone should know
Speaker 5: this and it's really important, especially in our day and age,
Speaker 5: is talk to us about your training in traditional astrology
Speaker 5: and why it is so different from pop astrology, which
Speaker 5: I find abhorrent.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So my training with astrology, traditional strology specifically began at
Speaker 3: School of Traditional Astrology. That's when I first studied horrory
Speaker 3: astrology and really got into understanding the pretty much the
Speaker 3: framework of traditional strology, which is astrology based on how
Speaker 3: the ancients practiced it, so it's like these traditions come
Speaker 3: from Hellenistic time period, through Medieval period, through Renaissance period,
Speaker 3: and then we get a lot a lot of the
Speaker 3: information has been translated just kind of recently. I think
Speaker 3: it's like in the you know, two thousands that a
Speaker 3: lot of texts have been translated. So it's been like
Speaker 3: this resurgence of traditional astrology. There was a time period
Speaker 3: where astrology was like illegal to practice or like it
Speaker 3: was very much frowned upon, and so astrology took a
Speaker 3: turn towards psychological astrology. So there is like a difference
Speaker 3: between psychological strology, which you know is interesting because it
Speaker 3: does allow you to understand like your psychology. I'm not
Speaker 3: really like that much into psychological strology, but I love
Speaker 3: traditional strlogy because you actually get like concrete things, right,
Speaker 3: So I can tell you about your children, I can
Speaker 3: tell you about your mother, your career, your pretty much
Speaker 3: everything in your life has a place. And then there's
Speaker 3: timing of everything as well, so like being able to
Speaker 3: predict when things might happen is also a thing. And
Speaker 3: also just the way that you kind of read a chart.
Speaker 3: You know, most people think they are their Sun's sign,
Speaker 3: because that's what you know the sun sign book and
Speaker 3: when you you know, so everybody used to think it
Speaker 3: was like you are the sun sign, but that's actually
Speaker 3: not true. That's like you know your son. The Sun
Speaker 3: is obviously the only star during the daytime, so it
Speaker 3: has a very prominent place in astrology because every planet
Speaker 3: has a synotic cycle based.
Speaker 2: On the Sun.
Speaker 3: So the Sun is very very powerful. However, so if
Speaker 3: you do you know, astrological magic, or you do anything
Speaker 3: like that or electional, actually in the astrology, you always
Speaker 3: need to look at the horizon because whatever is on
Speaker 3: the horizon, on the eastern horizon, coming up above the
Speaker 3: eastern horizon, that is permeating the Earth with that energy.
Speaker 3: So if you have Virgo on the horizon and not
Speaker 3: like the sun, isn't Virgo, you just for instance, Brandon
Speaker 3: has Virgo rising right, so it's like Virgo was on
Speaker 3: the horizon permeating the Earth without Virgo energy in Brandon,
Speaker 3: it's like ooh, ooh, I'm here, I'm here, I'm coming out.
Speaker 3: And so it's because of that energy that we are
Speaker 3: the rising sign. It's the helm of our ship, it's
Speaker 3: the guiding force in our life. And the interesting thing
Speaker 3: there is that we have the rising sign, and based
Speaker 3: on which rising sign you are, you're going to have
Speaker 3: a lord of your chart. You're gonna have a planet
Speaker 3: that rules your chart. So if you are a virgal rising,
Speaker 3: you're a Sun or daughter of Mercury, which means you're
Speaker 3: a very real person. You like to talk, you like
Speaker 3: to learn, you like to exchange information, you like to
Speaker 3: perfect things. Essentially, you could look at something and just
Speaker 3: know how to do it, because that's what mercury does.
Speaker 3: And then based on that you get to see, like
Speaker 3: where does mercury sit in your house? In your chart?
Speaker 3: So in the twelve houses, where is mercury? And whatever
Speaker 3: house mercury is in, lets us understand where do you
Speaker 3: put most of your energy or where should you? Right,
Speaker 3: I have a lot of clients and not a lot
Speaker 3: of clients, but I have clients right that sometimes the
Speaker 3: ruling planet is in the twelfth house, And like the
Speaker 3: first thing I say to them, never feel guilty for
Speaker 3: isolating yourself. It's clearly something that you are here to
Speaker 3: do for whatever reason, So don't feel guilty for doing that,
Speaker 3: because that's where the planet that rules your chart is.
Speaker 3: And they'll always be like thank you, you know, because
Speaker 3: we're meant to think that our whole life is about
Speaker 3: our tenth house, right, our career, our you know, the
Speaker 3: whole thing, right, But that's not true. Like I have
Speaker 3: the Sun in my tenth house and I have Jupiter
Speaker 3: up there, so like, yeah, my whole life is like
Speaker 3: I am a very career oriented person, you know, like
Speaker 3: I'm always not necessarily that's a whole other story. But yeah,
Speaker 3: so career is an interesting thing, right, It's like you do,
Speaker 3: I developed it, right, So it's like I'm not always
Speaker 3: like thinking like career career. It was like, I'm going
Speaker 3: to be my own career because I'm a Leo Rising, right,
Speaker 3: So I'm because I'm a Leo rising, the Sun rules
Speaker 3: my chart, and therefore the Sun and the tenth house
Speaker 3: ruling my chart says a lot about me, my trajectory.
Speaker 3: I have the son in gem and I ruling my
Speaker 3: chart in the tenth house. So so yeah, traditional strology
Speaker 3: has a lot of like death and it's all about
Speaker 3: the interactions of the planets. So if a planet, like
Speaker 3: I said, I have we have the angles. I don't
Speaker 3: want to confuse everybody. We have the angles of the chart,
Speaker 3: and those are really important. That's the first house, that's
Speaker 3: the MC, that's the tenth house, CUSP, that's the seventh house,
Speaker 3: and that's the fourth house. And what these are is
Speaker 3: we have the meridian, which I don't want to confuse everybody,
Speaker 3: but essentially there's places in the chart that are really important.
Speaker 3: And if you have planets there, those planets have a
Speaker 3: big weight in your life. So I have Jupiter on
Speaker 3: my MC, which means that Jupiter has a big hand
Speaker 3: in my chart. And if planets, you know, and then
Speaker 3: we have the molifics and the benefics and all those things.
Speaker 3: But traditional astrology is pretty powerful in the fact that
Speaker 3: it's I mean how the ancients did it. Like if
Speaker 3: you were a king or an emperor or a caliph
Speaker 3: in the past, you would have an astrologer. Astrologers would
Speaker 3: plan your entire life. Actually, in ancient times, astrologers were
Speaker 3: so important because they kept the calendars. We had a calendars,
Speaker 3: we had time because of astrologers and astronomers, and astronomers
Speaker 3: and astrologers weren't separate, you know. So yeah, so traditional
Speaker 3: astrology is pretty powerful. So yeah, pop astrology, which is
Speaker 3: like you are your son's sign. What's your moon sign?
Speaker 3: You know, your ascendant, right, Like, what's your ascendant? And
Speaker 3: then from that I'll understand who you are, what type
Speaker 3: of person you are. And then yeah, if you want
Speaker 3: to tell me the sun and the moon, that's cute.
Speaker 2: That stuff, like whatever. There's a lot more to Well, that's.
Speaker 3: Why people can discredit it so easily too, you know,
Speaker 3: because like if your son's sign is is like the
Speaker 3: ruler of your twelve house, you know, you're probably not
Speaker 3: going to identify with it as much as you're going
Speaker 3: to identify with the sign that rules your ascendant, right,
Speaker 3: So it's like, yeah, that's why it's easy for people
Speaker 3: discredit because they get their horoscope and they're like, I
Speaker 3: just never I just never felt it. Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: Conversion convert him?
Speaker 1: Sorry, I just want to say that if anyone is
Speaker 1: going to convert Nick into an astrology believer, I think it.
Speaker 2: Oh no, no, I am into it for sure.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 2: I just think there are a lot of people out
Speaker 2: there that talk a bunch of yeah.
Speaker 1: There are there are.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well that's where like, honestly, you know, giving yourself
Speaker 3: time to study, I think it's like such a miss
Speaker 3: like an unfortunate thing that are like it's become so popular.
Speaker 3: I mean no, no, and it's great, it's great that
Speaker 3: it's become popular, but it's unfortunate because now you have
Speaker 3: people that literally you know, know a little bit, and
Speaker 3: they go on their platform and they start just like
Speaker 3: saying all these things and then they get like super
Speaker 3: apocalyptic and they're like the world is gonna end, Shit's
Speaker 3: gonna hit the fan, and they forget that, like everybody
Speaker 3: is having their own individual experience with these things happening
Speaker 3: in their chart in different areas, and if it's not
Speaker 3: happening on an angle in your chart, it might not
Speaker 3: be that important to you, you know. So it's like
Speaker 3: I always think everybody is just like an individual first
Speaker 3: and foremost.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, exactly, And it's if you think about it,
Speaker 4: it's like that for more in most cases, like people
Speaker 4: don't read, don't want to study anything, and they want
Speaker 4: to have an opinion about it, like especially then especially
Speaker 4: on this kind of less let's say, let's easier to
Speaker 4: test things, so astrology, Like, I completely agree, if you
Speaker 4: read someone well you just like strip them naked. Basically,
Speaker 4: they can feel like even like like why how do
Speaker 4: you know this, you know, because it's so be supercise.
Speaker 4: But again, you need to study for this kind of stuff.
Speaker 4: That's not that that's straightforward.
Speaker 3: Mm hmmm.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: And she's and the thing is she's continually studying, so
Speaker 5: she's reading all the old ancients in the traditions. And
Speaker 5: I find it A it's just brilliant and B it's
Speaker 5: one of those things that's really interesting to see how
Speaker 5: easy pop astrology is to take on and then want
Speaker 5: to teach, in comparison to something where learning charts and
Speaker 5: learning kind of what you've done, Kaiva is it takes
Speaker 5: a lot out of time and understanding not only science
Speaker 5: and symbols, but then being able to connect with somebody
Speaker 5: across from you at the table when you're doing your readings.
Speaker 5: I will state that I've been around so some of
Speaker 5: those readings when she's doing them, and not during it,
Speaker 5: but when people are walking away, I'll walk back up
Speaker 5: and these people are either just got done crying or
Speaker 5: their eyes are in shock and awe that this that
Speaker 5: like she reads them like a like a book, or
Speaker 5: people have come back to her like months later or
Speaker 5: a year later. But I'll like, remember when you told
Speaker 5: me this thing, I actually just started this business because
Speaker 5: of the reading you gave me. And so it's just
Speaker 5: so fascinating when you get somebody who knows what they're
Speaker 5: talking about, like you do that you can actually change
Speaker 5: somebody's life because you can read them so cleanly.
Speaker 3: And that's a good reason. An the other good point
Speaker 3: is like we affect people's lives, right. So it's like
Speaker 3: if you are going to do taro, if you are
Speaker 3: going to do astrology, if you're going to do any practice,
Speaker 3: like you're affecting their life. Like you're entering into somebody
Speaker 3: else's reality. And it's like you better you know, do
Speaker 3: good with that, right, Like make sure you're helping them
Speaker 3: in a positive way, leading them in the right direction.
Speaker 3: You know. You get all sorts of people who like
Speaker 3: have been told in their past that they were going
Speaker 3: to like be a rich widow. It's like I've had
Speaker 3: people who are like these older women and they're like, well,
Speaker 3: the last sech it told me that I was going
Speaker 3: to marry somebody they were going to die and I
Speaker 3: was going to inherit like a lot of money, And
Speaker 3: I was like nice, great, you know, like I don't know,
Speaker 3: I don't know, it sounds kind of like they wanted
Speaker 3: you to just pay them more.
Speaker 5: Yeah, m m.
Speaker 2: They're hoping there are coped of the bodies that they
Speaker 2: could keep scamming them.
Speaker 3: Exactly.
Speaker 1: That's exactly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, when you do, I didn't want to ask. I
Speaker 2: don't know. I don't think you mentioned it yet, but
Speaker 2: you do do. Uh, you do readings every other week,
Speaker 2: you said on the TV news local news.
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, week. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 3: So there's a morning show in the town I live
Speaker 3: and so the city I live, and so they invited
Speaker 3: me to do my own segment. So every two weeks
Speaker 3: I go on there and I talk about what's going
Speaker 3: to happen for the next two weeks in astrology. So
Speaker 3: that's been pretty fun.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, nice, nice? What kind of I guess, like
Speaker 2: I don't always say day, I mean like, what kind
Speaker 2: of stuff do you normally like talk about that you know,
Speaker 2: supposedly coming for the next two weeks? Yes, like like
Speaker 2: what kind of things did you mention?
Speaker 3: Yes, I look at the transits, I guess like that's
Speaker 3: a yeah, that's a good point. So the sky is
Speaker 3: like ever dynamically moving as we're spinning, right, So we're
Speaker 3: spinning and we see the sky and the planets are moving,
Speaker 3: and so there's all these different relationships that are happening
Speaker 3: between the planets and the luminaries, and based on those
Speaker 3: relationships and how they're looking at us on Earth, we
Speaker 3: experience something and so like if we have you know,
Speaker 3: like yesterday we had mercury square urinus, right, so we're
Speaker 3: experience this mercury square urinous energy here on Earth from
Speaker 3: what we're seeing that they're they're going through, and so
Speaker 3: we kind of get this like mental overwhelm, over stimulated,
Speaker 3: having too many you know, juggling too many balls at
Speaker 3: one time. It was kind of like that mercurial uranian
Speaker 3: energy in a negative sense. So I just I talk
Speaker 3: about like the new moon, the full moon, I talk
Speaker 3: about yeah, does all the different transits that are happening
Speaker 3: that for the next two weeks.
Speaker 2: Have you ever have you ever like had a reading
Speaker 2: or something like, especially for the news thing, where you like,
Speaker 2: I don't know, if this sounds too negative, maybe I
Speaker 2: should like kind of church this up or just not
Speaker 2: read it this way. You know what I'm getting out here?
Speaker 2: You're like, this doesn't sound too happy?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, well, and also too like in the language
Speaker 3: that I speak, it's very not a lot of people
Speaker 3: are used to that sort of language, and so it's like, yeah,
Speaker 3: there can be some transits that are you know, like
Speaker 3: mars Urinus transits right, It's like an explosive energy, and
Speaker 3: like last time I was on there, I was like, yeah,
Speaker 3: it's gonna be like a very explosive day. And I
Speaker 3: was like, hmm, maybe I shouldn't Maybe I shouldn't have
Speaker 3: said that, you know, maybe that wasn't like the right
Speaker 3: thing to say, given like the context of everything happened.
Speaker 2: It's an explosive day and I ran against bomb. You're like, fuck, yeah,
Speaker 2: have you have you ever see this is interesting now
Speaker 2: because I didn't realize that when you did it, you
Speaker 2: did it for like the whole two weeks that thought
Speaker 2: maybe you just did that day was the ever times
Speaker 2: that you ever like kind of covered So like you
Speaker 2: said this like whatever you looked at it, you did,
Speaker 2: you did your job, and like you kind of actually
Speaker 2: saw like shit happened due to the way you thought
Speaker 2: the stars were even aligne, Like, have there have been
Speaker 2: times where you've done stuff and then like all of
Speaker 2: a sudden, this protests out in the street and all
Speaker 2: this fucking crazy shit and you're like, wow, I actually
Speaker 2: that kind of fit the stars. Have you ever seen
Speaker 2: that happen?
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh yeah many times because I've been doing so
Speaker 3: I do my daily uh well it's like a weekly report,
Speaker 3: like I'll break up the days and that's on Instagram
Speaker 3: and YouTube. But yeah, I've seen a lot of things,
Speaker 3: like because I started doing it before COVID and so
Speaker 3: like to see all the stuff that happened in COVID
Speaker 3: and then being like I did this report where like
Speaker 3: I said something and I was like it was the
Speaker 3: person behind everything, and then this Bill Gates thing happened,
Speaker 3: and I was just like, you know, my whole like
Speaker 3: I was, you know, because in the almost like okay,
Speaker 3: like cover up, you know, like hide your and I'll
Speaker 3: hide yourself. But you know, like there's things that when
Speaker 3: you do it a week ahead of time and then
Speaker 3: things happen, you you know, and then like when I'm
Speaker 3: recording it, I'm like I have no idea like what
Speaker 3: is going to happen, you know, and then things happen
Speaker 3: and you're like, okay, that makes sense. But as you're
Speaker 3: recording it, you're just like something, you know, this is
Speaker 3: the energy and how it happens is how it's going
Speaker 3: to happen. But yeah, I would say, like it's happened
Speaker 3: a few times and people really enjoy them. You know,
Speaker 3: people message me all the time and say how it's
Speaker 3: helped their life. So yeah, it's good.
Speaker 2: Nice. I was wondered about that day. We have any
Speaker 2: other questions, Yeah, I do it definitely.
Speaker 5: When you I think you should speak to something we
Speaker 5: talk about all the time on how important it is
Speaker 5: to put like so you do tarot readings as well,
Speaker 5: and you were one of the people who I was
Speaker 5: already kind of doing this, but you impressed upon me
Speaker 5: how important it was to put down the books and
Speaker 5: feel the cards and understand the symbolism and don't just
Speaker 5: do because it seems like we find a lot when
Speaker 5: you're traveling that you see a lot of people who
Speaker 5: have just started reading tarot or doing these things and
Speaker 5: they're actually doing a reading and looking at the little
Speaker 5: fucking deck thing that's you know, that's telling them what
Speaker 5: the card means. And I know you have a really
Speaker 5: fascinating just whole like you know, you have an opinion
Speaker 5: on that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I think that's where it comes to like
Speaker 3: everybody's individual like sphere because I think it's so essential
Speaker 3: to create your own framework. So my understanding of numbers,
Speaker 3: symbols and everything is because I've studied, you know, gemstones,
Speaker 3: I've studied a Western herbalism. I've studied Chinese medicine, aravatic,
Speaker 3: I've studied yoga, I've studied Buddhism, and it's all these
Speaker 3: things that like when you look at the through line, right,
Speaker 3: so you see like the number three, like where does
Speaker 3: that travel throughout all of things that you've read, That's
Speaker 3: what your understanding of that number is. And then you
Speaker 3: understand like all the different things. So I would say,
Speaker 3: we all need our own codex, right, we all need
Speaker 3: our own understanding of these symbols because it's you're you're
Speaker 3: the one giving the reading, So you have to know
Speaker 3: the depth and the expansion of that number to be
Speaker 3: able to understand how it relates to somebody's experience. And
Speaker 3: I think, like, yeah, I've never read a book per
Speaker 3: se On like when it first got Taryll, like way
Speaker 3: back when, right, like I had the book and my
Speaker 3: sister and I would do readings. But actually my first
Speaker 3: deck that I had was a fairy And what I
Speaker 3: would do is I would take my cards to the forest,
Speaker 3: and I would play music for the fairies, and I
Speaker 3: would like walk the forest, and then I would like
Speaker 3: pull the cards and I would like see what is
Speaker 3: right in front of me, and how does that card
Speaker 3: relate to that? And so I'd have sort of like
Speaker 3: more of a dynamic experience of what that is. And
Speaker 3: so my first experience with reading was just more based
Speaker 3: on intuition and strengthening that part of my life. And
Speaker 3: then when it came to Taro, I was already like
Speaker 3: when I started to really give Tarot readings, I had
Speaker 3: already studied a whole bunch of subjects and based on
Speaker 3: how all those things represented or presented numbers and all
Speaker 3: those things. Yeah, that's how I began to read Taro.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and that's fascinating. It goes a bit with what
Speaker 4: you was talking about. How if you already have the
Speaker 4: perceptions like more tune or more the intuition, again, you
Speaker 4: don't really need like descriptions and whatever because you just
Speaker 4: know it just kept the inforvention and you know. And
Speaker 4: then but if if you don't have something like that,
Speaker 4: then the system, like some kind of like a book
Speaker 4: will give you a system or whatever you can use cabala,
Speaker 4: or you can use whatever the heck you want for
Speaker 4: any specific not only tarrat. Like you talked about the
Speaker 4: fairy deck I had once, like an angel deck whatever,
Speaker 4: and you can create that to then organize it yourself,
Speaker 4: like for example, connecting even astrology to terrats something you
Speaker 4: can do. That's something I do with myself, and I
Speaker 4: really it's very funny. For example, this week, I do
Speaker 4: like daily readings for myself and I had three times
Speaker 4: in a row, my rising sign appearing in the deck,
Speaker 4: and I'm like, okay, let me put into that, let
Speaker 4: me go read more about it, and so on. And
Speaker 4: I wouldn't necessarily find this in a book, right or
Speaker 4: if I just go by the the keyword description, it's
Speaker 4: not as let's say, you're powerful. That being said, guys,
Speaker 4: I sorry, I have to quit early. I have another
Speaker 4: meeting here.
Speaker 2: But it was very fun.
Speaker 4: I'm definitely going to watch the rest of the live
Speaker 4: stream after it's recorded. And a nice meet to you,
Speaker 4: Kaiva and all of you guys, Nick Gen and Brendan.
Speaker 2: Yeah, very much. I appreciate it. Yes, So I wanted
Speaker 2: to ask you what do you use taro? Just asking
Speaker 2: this is how I do it, I'd say this is
Speaker 2: a right or road way. It's just easier for me.
Speaker 2: I really wouldn't be I wouldn't be able to use
Speaker 2: tarous at all if I did to attribute it to
Speaker 2: the Kabalist tree of life out if you have you
Speaker 2: heard of that technique at all? Do you use that
Speaker 2: cell or attribute at all?
Speaker 3: That's what Brandon does, like he when he talks about tarot,
Speaker 3: he'll always put it to the Kabbala. But for me,
Speaker 3: like I said, I I have never studied Kabbala, never studied.
Speaker 3: I mainly just correlated with all the other things that
Speaker 3: I have studied because I think in a way, right,
Speaker 3: so we look at like these systems that have been
Speaker 3: set up, it's always good to go back to like
Speaker 3: how they were set up, why they were set up,
Speaker 3: Like how did they get that system right? Like what
Speaker 3: gave them this understanding of the tree of life? And
Speaker 3: I think that's where, like I always think the individual
Speaker 3: experience is so important, right, like can we do it our?
Speaker 3: I know, I mean I don't know Cabalas, I don't know.
Speaker 3: Like I'm not saying I can do it myself, and
Speaker 3: I'm just saying like it's interesting, Yeah, you.
Speaker 1: Have suffarotic experiences, even by accidents sometimes, so you are
Speaker 1: actually actually excuse me, actually able to confirm that the
Speaker 1: reality quote unquote of the tree. I know that we have,
Speaker 1: like a Buddhists in general have like a different relationship
Speaker 1: to the primordial reality. But you can confirm a specific
Speaker 1: kind of reality illuminating sort of like the when the
Speaker 1: tree lights up or across the abyss or whatever you
Speaker 1: want to call it, or going to rigpow or diamond
Speaker 1: thunder or whatever it is. Absolutely you can do kabala
Speaker 1: for yourself. That is more how I approach it. And
Speaker 1: that's also what Brandon was I think referring to in
Speaker 1: that like I even though I have elements where I
Speaker 1: am like Brandon, and I'm like, yes, the way the
Speaker 1: terror only makes sense to me is true cabbala. But
Speaker 1: I also see it as very dynamic, which is I
Speaker 1: think again, to go back to what you were saying,
Speaker 1: you see it as flexible. And I also don't affix
Speaker 1: the taro to the past. It's always in Hebrew cabala.
Speaker 1: This is a little different than Golden Dawn. But the
Speaker 1: letters are always moving through. It's like constant dynamism. It's
Speaker 1: never static. So this is sometimes where I have come
Speaker 1: into conflict with Golden DWN people is that they believe
Speaker 1: that the paths are fixed. But I'm always like, well, no,
Speaker 1: they drop down. So once you start understanding the principle
Speaker 1: of arising, obviously, youtie understand this as a Buddhist arising
Speaker 1: and primordial ground, how things can rise and fall like
Speaker 1: the breath the tree is just comes intuitively naturally and
Speaker 1: in that sort of like pristine awareness. Sorry, I didn't
Speaker 1: mean to go and rent, but I just I feel
Speaker 1: like what you're saying is very relational to like what
Speaker 1: Nick is asking.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm, yeah.
Speaker 2: What decks do you use?
Speaker 3: I use a Gaelic mythology deck actually, And the reason
Speaker 3: why I have this one is so I was writing
Speaker 3: a lot about death on a white Horse, and so
Speaker 3: I was actually I have this whole oh It's to
Speaker 3: death book that I wrote. I was like back in
Speaker 3: when I was like eighteen nineteen years old something like that,
Speaker 3: and so I was writing a lot about this idea
Speaker 3: of death and how not scary death is, and so
Speaker 3: I was making it more like a playful death and
Speaker 3: how all these things. And then I found this deck
Speaker 3: that had death on a white Horse and then it
Speaker 3: was a gifted to me after that. So yeah, and
Speaker 3: so yeah, it's a really beautiful deck. It's a yeah
Speaker 3: I Gaelic mythology.
Speaker 2: Nice, it goes like the same way as regular taro.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah yeah yeah yeah.
Speaker 2: And how long have you been doing that?
Speaker 3: Again?
Speaker 2: And you probably mentioned it earlier.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I got into taro in two thousand and seven,
Speaker 3: so when I was like eighteen, yeah, yeah, but my
Speaker 3: first that was when I first got my first tarot deck.
Speaker 3: But I was still using my faery deck at that
Speaker 3: point because it was more tangible. Right, I could go
Speaker 3: to the forest, i could connect with the ener, I
Speaker 3: could do the whole thing, because Taro is a life
Speaker 3: time of experience. I mean we are I'm constantly adjusting
Speaker 3: my understanding of different things, and you know that's the
Speaker 3: beauty of the path and realization. Right. Like there's like
Speaker 3: the the ten worlds of Buddhahood or Buddhism, right, so
Speaker 3: it's like you got the higher worlds which are learning, realization,
Speaker 3: Bodhisatfa and Buddhahood, right, and so like I like to
Speaker 3: think that like I'm I'm learning, but I'm realizing now, right,
Speaker 3: like I'm realizing. I'm in the stage of, you know,
Speaker 3: creating my own codex and realizing through my own experience
Speaker 3: how things are m you.
Speaker 2: Uh, yeah, you attribute to Taro even to like Buddhist
Speaker 2: ideas and stuff. I mean, even though it's not a
Speaker 2: Buddhist deck. I know that sounds a little confusing.
Speaker 3: No, yeah, I mean that makes sense. I would say
Speaker 3: with those two, I don't necessarily cross over as much.
Speaker 3: Tarot for me is like because I'm always like I'm
Speaker 3: so sensitive, so like I can read people, but I
Speaker 3: would rather have a medium between the two of us,
Speaker 3: because I don't want to live in your world like
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Like I would I'll connect
Speaker 3: with your guardians, and I'll connect with your guides, and
Speaker 3: I will give you the information they need for you
Speaker 3: to understand. But I don't want to be in your
Speaker 3: energy because I was, like, you know, it was pretty
Speaker 3: traumatic my entire like life, like being a young kid
Speaker 3: and being like what did I do wrong? You know,
Speaker 3: why don't these people like me? Like I didn't you know,
Speaker 3: I would take on so much and so so Yeah,
Speaker 3: Taro for me is like a medium between the two
Speaker 3: of us. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Oh man, I was gonna ask a question I totally forgot.
Speaker 2: Did any of you just have anything to say?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think the question will you remember that Nick?
Speaker 2: That question that the one of the.
Speaker 5: People in the chat brought up. I think it's something
Speaker 5: you and I have talked about before, and she's bringing
Speaker 5: up the idea of.
Speaker 2: The Oi gi boards. Yes, you see? Yes?
Speaker 3: Do you? Uh? Do you?
Speaker 2: What do you think about the Ouiji board? Do you
Speaker 2: think it has any relation to how the taro works?
Speaker 2: And have any of you used one? I've actually believed
Speaker 2: it or not. I've never used a Taro boards, I
Speaker 2: mean a Wigi boots.
Speaker 3: When I think I have a Wiji board, it reminds
Speaker 3: me like when I was a kid and we would
Speaker 3: do light as a feather stiff as a board, you know,
Speaker 3: like I remember being elementaries.
Speaker 2: I invoo, what's that I invoke? Meno? It was the
Speaker 2: guy that she invoked that got every the grees.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So like when I was like in elementary school,
Speaker 3: we used to do light as a feather stif because
Speaker 3: a board and like bloody Mary, you know, and so
Speaker 3: like the Ouiji board for me is I've never act,
Speaker 3: I've actually been gifted Wiji boards and I instantly just
Speaker 3: throw them in the garbage because like I am not
Speaker 3: I don't you know what I mean, Like I already
Speaker 3: have too much to deal with the last thing I
Speaker 3: want is like you know, I already hear things. And
Speaker 3: I turned that off when I was a kid because
Speaker 3: I would like lay, I would be laying in bed
Speaker 3: and I would hear like nineteen twenties music as a child.
Speaker 3: And so my series with connecting with spirits and ghosts
Speaker 3: or like, I don't invite it in. I'm very specific
Speaker 3: about the type of energies I connect with. I do
Speaker 3: not want to connect with things that are going to
Speaker 3: follow me. I obviously I'm a Buddhist, so like I
Speaker 3: want to keep my karma clean, right, I'm not going
Speaker 3: to start any new karma relationships with these like entities
Speaker 3: that want to attach or you know whatever it is.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I've never actually experienced a weedji board either.
Speaker 2: Allright, was I think did do something with tower reading?
Speaker 2: I totally was going to ask you, and I still
Speaker 2: can't remember. Uh, was there ever times I'm sureing you
Speaker 2: do readings for people? Has there ever been times you
Speaker 2: like from like pulling cards for somebody else? Was there
Speaker 2: ever a time that like you, I guess you pulled
Speaker 2: cards into like kind of left an impact on you
Speaker 2: or that you didn't figure has that ever happened?
Speaker 3: I would say, I mean, like, let somebody's story was
Speaker 3: pretty profoundly change or like something that.
Speaker 2: You know, the cards were just like well, I don't know,
Speaker 2: neither good, bad or whatever. It was just something that
Speaker 2: maybe left with it kind of stuck with you. Maybe
Speaker 2: it was like bad to a point you didn't even
Speaker 2: want to tell, you know, I don't know.
Speaker 3: Well, I think there's like, you know, there's always ways
Speaker 3: to navigate those situations, you know, because it's like you know,
Speaker 3: like the fives aren't always like the most pleasant cards,
Speaker 3: right because you reach this like threshold of like okay,
Speaker 3: it's time to shed, right, it's time to say, like
Speaker 3: you know, you deserve better. And so I think there's
Speaker 3: always ways to navigate those situations. I wouldn't necessarily say,
Speaker 3: I mean I have a good I mean I'm rumor
Speaker 3: curial as well, so like my mind works pretty fast.
Speaker 3: But as far as like any memorable experiences, I mean,
Speaker 3: I mainly remember like the really good ones, right, like
Speaker 3: they're really excited people and people cry all the time, right,
Speaker 3: because like I've had grown men who have never been
Speaker 3: so vulnerable and they didn't have to say anything, right,
Speaker 3: So it's like I'll give them a reading and first
Speaker 3: out they're like, how did you know that? And they'll
Speaker 3: start crying and they're like these you know, they're like
Speaker 3: men like you nick, like just like you know, kind
Speaker 3: of strong, like strong men, right, just like burly men,
Speaker 3: and they're just like, you know, they just break down
Speaker 3: because they don't tell anybody that stuff. And then here
Speaker 3: I am somebody they don't know, just laying it all out.
Speaker 3: So you get people in like vulnerable situations where I.
Speaker 2: Can imagine mm hmmm. I would think, I mean, unless
Speaker 2: you have like repeat customers might be a little bit different,
Speaker 2: but I would think a lot of maybe new people
Speaker 2: that just you know kind of might be in those
Speaker 2: type of situations mm hmm. You know, the vulnerable they're
Speaker 2: like going to alternative ideas to get an answer. They
Speaker 2: might You're going to give them the answer they want
Speaker 2: to hear too, you know. Unfortunately.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and sometimes I don't even know. Sometimes it's
Speaker 3: just out of like peer just wanting to see what
Speaker 3: it is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, That's why I would say it
Speaker 2: would be different. They're just like, I'm interested, Yeah, I
Speaker 2: want to see what they got to say, totally different.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, those are always the ones that seem to
Speaker 3: cry more because they're just they weren't expecting okay, because
Speaker 3: they weren't expecting it, you know, they're just like they're
Speaker 3: just going in like okay, let's just see what happens,
Speaker 3: and all of a sudden, it's.
Speaker 2: Like, holy shit. Do you ever have something with like
Speaker 2: so spot on that they actually like blew the person's mind,
Speaker 2: like they were like what the like like kind of
Speaker 2: blown away.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 3: The nice thing too, is like I let them keep
Speaker 3: their situation private, so I don't have to know anything
Speaker 3: about your situation, okay, unless if they.
Speaker 2: Want too, Okay, that's cool.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And if they want to tell me anything, we
Speaker 3: can talk it out. But usually I let them keep
Speaker 3: everything private, so, you know, so as vulnerable as they are,
Speaker 3: they're still also protected that like I don't know anything
Speaker 3: unless if they tell me mm hmmm, uh.
Speaker 2: What do you normally do when you do your readings?
Speaker 2: And I'll say, I'm actually going to go back to
Speaker 2: astrology if you don't mind, I'm sorry. Yeah, Like when
Speaker 2: you do those are people asking for like birth charts
Speaker 2: or they asking for like what's in my stars in
Speaker 2: the next few these How does that? Like what kind
Speaker 2: of services or how do you tackle your astrology with clients?
Speaker 3: Yeah, so there's different types of astrology that I do.
Speaker 3: So I do horrory astrology. So for that one, you
Speaker 3: have to really have a question that has a need
Speaker 3: to know basis. So it should be a question that
Speaker 3: you've meditated on. It should be a yes or no question.
Speaker 3: I'll be able to look at other things about it,
Speaker 3: but it should be a yes or no question, or
Speaker 3: like where to find something right, So it's like a
Speaker 3: missing object type thing. And then I do natal astrology
Speaker 3: and also predictive astrology. So with natal astrology, most people
Speaker 3: just want to know what's.
Speaker 2: That that's a birth chark? Correct?
Speaker 3: Yeap your berth chart? Yeah, So natal astrology, we can
Speaker 3: go an hour, we can go longer, you can come
Speaker 3: back again because essentially I can just flesh out your
Speaker 3: chart more and more. And so if you want to
Speaker 3: just focus on it's like it's a short reading, like
Speaker 3: a half an hour reading. I'll usually just you know,
Speaker 3: get the first house fleshed out, get a good idea
Speaker 3: of all the aspects in the chart and everything like that,
Speaker 3: and then do like the predictive techniques. I'll pull up
Speaker 3: the transits and then I'll also pull up the solar return,
Speaker 3: and then I'll also pull up the solar arc and
Speaker 3: then I'm learning secondary Earth primary directions right now. So
Speaker 3: that's like a pretty profound one that I'm learning right
Speaker 3: now as primary directions. And it's crazy as like, honestly,
Speaker 3: astrology is pretty complex, like these mathematicians in the past
Speaker 3: like just blew my mind. Like I feel like such
Speaker 3: a little girl when I'm meeting classrooms and they talk
Speaker 3: about spherical geometry and I'm just like, spherical geometry is
Speaker 3: something like I didn't even know it was like a thing.
Speaker 3: And then you have these classrooms with all these people
Speaker 3: that know spherical geometry, you realize, like astrology and then
Speaker 3: you look at all these people that are just practicing
Speaker 3: like this base level of astrology and You're like, you
Speaker 3: don't even know. I don't even know how complex it
Speaker 3: can be.
Speaker 2: Those you could probably spend that hour just talking about
Speaker 2: a few houses and that's about it. I mean, really
Speaker 2: mm hmmm, especially from the sounds of like what you're
Speaker 2: talking about obviously you're very depth with astrology.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, yeah, she's very in depth. She's actually just
Speaker 5: learned been learning geomancy as well.
Speaker 2: Oh nice.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So the way that that works is like, so
Speaker 3: my Persia. So there's so I'm learning medieval astrology and
Speaker 3: one of my teachers is a Persian astrologer. And what's
Speaker 3: amazing about Persian astrology is like they essentially have all
Speaker 3: of the texts, not all, but they have a whole
Speaker 3: bunch of texts that have not even been translated to English.
Speaker 3: And these are texts that come from like you know,
Speaker 3: that went missing during like Hellenistic times, but they are
Speaker 3: like preserved an Arabic tradition because once the Roman Empire fell,
Speaker 3: and I forget like the whole history because it's a
Speaker 3: whole thing. But Arabic astrology is essentially medieval astrology and
Speaker 3: it really like translated all these texts and has this
Speaker 3: huge repertoire of all these ancient texts and there and
Speaker 3: so my teacher who's Persian astrologer, he taught us geomancy
Speaker 3: and geomancy specifically how it is used in like how
Speaker 3: do you as an astrologer. So it's still geomancy, but
Speaker 3: it's set up so like you know, there's the twelve houses,
Speaker 3: there's the planets, like each of the each of the
Speaker 3: glyphs or whatever represents like a how or house and
Speaker 3: a planet. It's really complex, but it's quite fascinating and
Speaker 3: I'm looking forward to getting deeper into it. Like I said,
Speaker 3: my base knowledge of that is because I know astrology,
Speaker 3: so I can understand like the gist of the geomancy
Speaker 3: that he taught us, but it's pretty complex. And he
Speaker 3: also taught us like this system that I don't even
Speaker 3: think anybody else in Western astrology knows because it's like
Speaker 3: he has access to these texts that are written purely
Speaker 3: in Arabic.
Speaker 1: So that's fascinating.
Speaker 2: That is awesome. Yeah, Now with the taro, do you
Speaker 2: normally have like specific spreads that you do for people or.
Speaker 3: I just do the Celtic cross mainly, and then I
Speaker 3: add like yeah, yeah, I add, like what a couple
Speaker 3: more cards, But that one just seems to be like
Speaker 3: a good thorough evaluation of everything. Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: Anybody else have any questions why?
Speaker 5: I also find a fascinating where astrology and everything you're
Speaker 5: doing can go into because she's even helped. Wasn't it
Speaker 5: court cases or things like that that you've Oh.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I had a client who was going through
Speaker 3: a divorce, and so I did a horrory for her
Speaker 3: divorce to see like when it would go through, and
Speaker 3: in the horror rear, I was like, there's something going
Speaker 3: on with these lawyers. Like the it was like, the
Speaker 3: problem wasn't that the two didn't want to have a settlement.
Speaker 3: The two wanted a settlement, but the problem was that
Speaker 3: there was the there was issues with their attorneys, as
Speaker 3: it was written in the chart. And I was like,
Speaker 3: you know, sometimes when you read a chart again, it
Speaker 3: can seem so crazy that you're like, why would an attorney?
Speaker 3: But that's not my job to get over logical analytical
Speaker 3: of that shit, you know, I just need to say
Speaker 3: what I see. And so I told her and then
Speaker 3: come to turn out, yeah, the attorneys were actually just
Speaker 3: lengthening the process so that they could make more money.
Speaker 3: So that was interesting with that one. And then like
Speaker 3: when my sister moved into her house, I was able
Speaker 3: to say like, you know, yes, this place is going
Speaker 3: to work out, but the landlords are going to be
Speaker 3: really hard to work with, and then you know, they
Speaker 3: went ahead and moved in given all the information I
Speaker 3: told them, and then it played out pretty much like
Speaker 3: I said, and she's like, yeah, this isn't working anymore.
Speaker 3: So yeah, so it's fun. I mean, I really love
Speaker 3: horror because it's it's fun. It's fun to get into
Speaker 3: the chart and like not dissect but like you know,
Speaker 3: interpret everything and look at all the different connections happening
Speaker 3: and really help people, you know, help people what they're
Speaker 3: looking for and what they need. But yeah, horry is
Speaker 3: pretty fun.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's says, Oh no, uh, did you want now?
Speaker 2: You had said something. I thought you specifically picked the
Speaker 2: time because you thought it was like something good in
Speaker 2: the stars. You said it was a good time to
Speaker 2: do a reading. Is that what you said?
Speaker 3: Well, so why I picked the time is essentially because
Speaker 3: I knew we had like a you know, I was
Speaker 3: looking at like, well, what's going to be good before
Speaker 3: Mercury goes into Pisces, Because once Mercury goes into Pisces,
Speaker 3: it's like, you know, we could have conversations that would
Speaker 3: be super lengthy and drawn out and have all this information.
Speaker 3: So I wanted Mercury to be in a spot and
Speaker 3: specifically Mercury at twenty nine. Yeah, it's at twenty nine degrees.
Speaker 3: Twenty nine degrees of Aquarius is actually in a good
Speaker 3: relationship to my own personal chart, and so I thought
Speaker 3: it would be a good time because, yeah, Mercury rules
Speaker 3: the ascendant, and so whatever is on the ascendant is
Speaker 3: essentially the energy of that hour. It's the hour market,
Speaker 3: it's the horoscope. Horoscope is horizon, so it's like what's
Speaker 3: on the horizon. So being the Gemini was on the
Speaker 3: horizon and that's a Gemini is a perfect energy for
Speaker 3: exchanging information. And with Mercury in a queries looking down,
Speaker 3: Aquaries and Gemini are in a trying relationship. So Mercury
Speaker 3: was in a nice relationship with the ascendate's in a
Speaker 3: nice trying so that means communication can flow. The lord
Speaker 3: of the chart is looking at the our marker from
Speaker 3: the MC. So it was a good energy for communication
Speaker 3: and to do all the mental stuff that is air energy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, sounds like a good time for a show.
Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah, when we're doing things for our own lives,
Speaker 5: it's like, you know, it's really handy to have an
Speaker 5: astrologer as your girlfriend because she does this thing where
Speaker 5: all of a sudden, she's you know, it's like, maybe
Speaker 5: we shouldn't sign documents for this kind of thing right
Speaker 5: now because mercury is in retrograde or whatever it is,
Speaker 5: or maybe we you know, maybe this or that. You know,
Speaker 5: So it's a quite fat and also then you know,
Speaker 5: having an astrologery for a girlfriends really nice and also
Speaker 5: a double edged sword because she knows you sometimes better
Speaker 5: than you know herself, and she's correct. You cannot lie
Speaker 5: to Kaivo Rosh.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I will say that has been times be Legit
Speaker 2: have even playing the show by planetary hours, but I've
Speaker 2: never gotten that in it. But yeah, I have done that,
Speaker 2: or release shows at specific times and dates.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's it's a whole thing. I mean, electional astrology
Speaker 3: is so complex and wild and amazing because there's so
Speaker 3: many things to consider. But then it's like, just keep
Speaker 3: it simple, right, what is my intention? What do I
Speaker 3: want from this? What am I doing? And those are
Speaker 3: the areas to look at. But yeah, I used to
Speaker 3: do crystal liixers, So I used to make crystal mixers,
Speaker 3: and this was before I even got into astrology, So
Speaker 3: I would make crystal lixers and just I knew that
Speaker 3: the new moon and full moon were the time to
Speaker 3: make them, so I would just you know, make them
Speaker 3: under the full moon, not knowing like that full moon
Speaker 3: also has an energetic property based on all the planets
Speaker 3: that are interacting with it, right, So it's like, you know,
Speaker 3: and this is where you know, it's good to experiment,
Speaker 3: but it's also good to know that we're capturing energy
Speaker 3: in the stars, whether we know it or not in
Speaker 3: our little elixers.
Speaker 2: Now, Jim, what you're gonna say something?
Speaker 1: I did like your comment though, Nick, I just wanted
Speaker 1: to say that this was a long time ago, but
Speaker 1: I liked that you went there with the iconography to
Speaker 1: see like if there was an overlap between kyro Ros's
Speaker 1: school of Buddhism and like the tarot. So I also
Speaker 1: agree like even though I come from a I have
Speaker 1: an art history background and I obviously am a tontric
Speaker 1: so our iconography is very profound, very colorful, very like
Speaker 1: full of symbols that relate to the text. It is
Speaker 1: very difficult to match the images, even for me, who
Speaker 1: is good at kabbala to the Tarot. I really have
Speaker 1: to relate it to my own things. Like I can
Speaker 1: understand that Okay, a Buddhist city can go here, a
Speaker 1: sanscrit work can go here. Like that can make sense
Speaker 1: to me to replace them, but it doesn't make sense
Speaker 1: to actually look at the system as it is and
Speaker 1: then be like, okay, let me import one to one
Speaker 1: these exact things. So I just wanted to echo that
Speaker 1: and just say that was a good observation, Nick.
Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you. I appreciate that. Crystals. Did you
Speaker 2: said elixirs or something like that, Yeah.
Speaker 3: Crystal elixirs. Yeah. Melody's book Love Is in the Earth.
Speaker 3: It was one of my first entries. So, like I said,
Speaker 3: my first entry into everything was actually stones and Melody
Speaker 3: is this like beautiful. I mean, I don't know if
Speaker 3: she's still alive. I hope. She is this beautiful, long,
Speaker 3: white haired woman from Ireland, and she has this book
Speaker 3: called Love Is in the Earth and has all the
Speaker 3: crystals you could ever imagine, and she in that book
Speaker 3: tells you how to make crystal. She tells you the
Speaker 3: vibration of all the crystals. So it's actually one of
Speaker 3: these like foundational texts for myself and she. So that
Speaker 3: was how I learned how to make crystal elixirs was
Speaker 3: through that and then actually I was involved in my
Speaker 3: Buddhist practice eventually, so because I took the Lotus Sutra,
Speaker 3: which is the book that we chant, and I made
Speaker 3: like a quartz crystal around the elixir and I put
Speaker 3: the Lotus Sutra in there because I wanted to put
Speaker 3: more energy into it. So so yeah, it worked out great.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I was just gonna ask, like I used to
Speaker 2: U sometimes like it was more of a lunar actually
Speaker 2: than than solar, I would you clate crystal alixus? And
Speaker 2: I would use it like sometimes for ritual water nice. Yeah,
Speaker 2: So it was cool that I heard you say that
Speaker 2: because I was like, oh, I remember doing that stuff
Speaker 2: sack in the day when I used to huh ritual.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I want to get back into it. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Did you ever add like you might even say
Speaker 2: herbs and stuff.
Speaker 3: No, I only worked with like mixing different crystals, but.
Speaker 2: I don't think i've actually put them together. But I
Speaker 2: have like done herbs, you know, like it's yeah, definitely
Speaker 2: done like crystals or stones, you know, like sometimes I
Speaker 2: had there's a whole bunch of they're like small pebbles
Speaker 2: of like moonstone, So I thought they're like I kind
Speaker 2: of they were just perfect to kind of like pour
Speaker 2: into a bottle. So sometimes I was like layer at
Speaker 2: that bottom of the bottle with that, and they put
Speaker 2: it out on full moons. You know, you're trying to
Speaker 2: match the stone with the moon.
Speaker 3: Uh huh yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 5: That actually just reminded me of Kaiva. Can you tell
Speaker 5: people how important it is to actually do things on
Speaker 5: the time of the full moons, not just full moons themselves?
Speaker 3: Right? Yes, yeah, no, that's that is very important because
Speaker 3: I mean, if we're gonna if we're gonna use the
Speaker 3: energy of the full moon, we should make sure to
Speaker 3: know when the moon goes full, right, And I think
Speaker 3: I have a lot of clients right and they're like,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna make moonwater, and I'm like, that's great, you
Speaker 3: should make moonwater, But did you know the full moon
Speaker 3: actually happened last night at like three am? And they're
Speaker 3: like what, No, way. I listened to this podcaster and
Speaker 3: they said I could make my moon water anytime today
Speaker 3: and I'm like, that's cute, but that's actually not how
Speaker 3: it works. So it is important too. And then you
Speaker 3: I mean, it's easy to find. You can literally just
Speaker 3: google when is the exact time of a full moon
Speaker 3: or new moon. Yes, that is very important because essentially
Speaker 3: like a full moon is pulling like it's great, you know,
Speaker 3: it's like the fullness of that energy. Right, So we're built,
Speaker 3: we're growing, and then on the moving to the new moon,
Speaker 3: we're letting go over releasing.
Speaker 2: So m hm, go ahead.
Speaker 1: I do have one sorry about that. Uh, it's it's
Speaker 1: a good one. It's I think it'll be set a
Speaker 1: good tone for the like finale. This is a little
Speaker 1: pop astrology, maybe cover roads, but I think it's appropriate.
Speaker 1: Do you have any predictions or ideas for the year
Speaker 1: of the fire Horse since that is very soon upcoming?
Speaker 1: And I wanted to shout out Matt because he actually
Speaker 1: brought this up the other day about the Leechen cycle.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if you're familiar with this, but it's
Speaker 1: a Chinese way of ordering the months by solar cycles.
Speaker 1: They're twenty four, but sometimes they can be reduced down
Speaker 1: to six. Anyways, we're in a very particular, very special
Speaker 1: unique I guess I hate saying that because all astrology
Speaker 1: is kind of unique, like it's always transitting, so there's
Speaker 1: always new things going on. But we're in a kind
Speaker 1: of unique cycle. For this specific Chinese astrology. So I
Speaker 1: just wondered if you had any more Western strology like predictions,
Speaker 1: ideas advice for the new year.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I don't really work with Chinese astrology that much.
Speaker 3: Like I am a dragon, which I love that, but
Speaker 3: also a dragon. You're a dragon too, Yeah, that's why
Speaker 3: I did astrology just because of that. You're in eighty
Speaker 3: eight too, That's what I am.
Speaker 1: That's so interesting.
Speaker 3: I was born in November, okay, yep, I was born
Speaker 3: in June. So actually you and I might have like
Speaker 3: similar Urinus and Saturn because all those plants were retrograde
Speaker 3: when I was born, and we're going direct when you
Speaker 3: were born. And I have friends that were born in
Speaker 3: December who have very similar placements. But as far as
Speaker 3: like the year, you know, we're entering a clip season
Speaker 3: right now, that's always really interesting, right, So we're kind
Speaker 3: of enteringly entering into that like portal energy where we're
Speaker 3: being pulled in a very we're being pulled in a
Speaker 3: direction as we're being able to asked to like release
Speaker 3: in another area of our life. So I think you know,
Speaker 3: a clip season that we have murcury retrograde at the
Speaker 3: end of the month. So it's kind of like, you know,
Speaker 3: I think there's like that scene in Harry Potter where
Speaker 3: like the staircases like move right, is that Harry Potter? Right,
Speaker 3: So it's like, what's up? Yes, yeah, you're correct, Okay, Yeah,
Speaker 3: So it's kind of That's what I always think. Eclip
Speaker 3: season is like, right, we're moving, We're like switching. We're
Speaker 3: like moving to a new area of our life or
Speaker 3: being pulled to a new area of our life. And
Speaker 3: it can be a time where I always it just
Speaker 3: feels like it we're portaled, right, We're just in this
Speaker 3: portal where everything's out of time, right, Like nothing really
Speaker 3: feels like it fits in. It all feels like kind
Speaker 3: of new, feels like it's changing. And so it'll be
Speaker 3: interesting to see how this eclipse season happens. What's nice
Speaker 3: about this eclipse on the I think it's the seventeenth.
Speaker 3: I did the astrology for it. I think it's the seventeen,
Speaker 3: is that there might be the sixteenth. One of the
Speaker 3: two is that we have a square with uriness before that,
Speaker 3: and then we have the moon square areness before that,
Speaker 3: and then we have the moon conjunct venus after the eclipse.
Speaker 3: So this eclipse that's coming up, it does have an
Speaker 3: energy of like let go, right, like let go of
Speaker 3: what you know as normal, traditional standard, like what you're
Speaker 3: to Of course, it's always going to be based on
Speaker 3: where is it in your personal chart, right, because it's
Speaker 3: if it's not on your angles, it's not going to
Speaker 3: maybe be as prominent in your life. But and then
Speaker 3: we have the moon conjunct Venus after the eclipse, which
Speaker 3: Venus is exalted in Pisces at that time. So it
Speaker 3: does have like this really like enjoy the pleasures of life,
Speaker 3: enjoy the good things in life, like there is I
Speaker 3: think we are I think we are going to go
Speaker 3: through like some major changes. I know that sounds like
Speaker 3: something we always say, but like eclipses are pretty transformational,
Speaker 3: like things don't go back after eclipses. And I think
Speaker 3: this one it's always hard to say, Like my relationship
Speaker 3: to good and bad is always like you know, is
Speaker 3: it actually bad?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 3: Like I had a client yesterday who had a breakup
Speaker 3: and it's like he was so devastated and I was
Speaker 3: like I looked at his chart and I was like, honestly,
Speaker 3: you couldn't have had a better time for a breakup,
Speaker 3: you have Jupiter exalted ruly in your seventh house in
Speaker 3: the eleventh house, like, that's great. If somebody's in breakup you,
Speaker 3: that means you're gonna have a lot of options, right.
Speaker 3: That means more people are going to come into your life.
Speaker 3: So as change happens during these eclipse seasons, like it
Speaker 3: could be could be pretty big because then we have
Speaker 3: mercury retrograde after that, which says like, okay, look at it, pause,
Speaker 3: take a moment, reflect what just happened. And then we
Speaker 3: have the other eclipse during the mercury retrograde. So I
Speaker 3: would say this, this kickoff that we have going on
Speaker 3: will be good. And this is where I think it's
Speaker 3: important to look at what we call normal and when
Speaker 3: we have standards and habits in our life and like, really, honestly,
Speaker 3: you know, is it normal or is it comfortable? Right?
Speaker 3: Because if it's comfortable, it doesn't always mean it's normal,
Speaker 3: it doesn't always mean it's good. And so it's important
Speaker 3: to look at like habits and traditions and standards and
Speaker 3: really be honest like is this actually healthy or does
Speaker 3: that need to change?
Speaker 1: That was great, Thank you so much. That was perfect.
Speaker 1: Uranian kind of like a very good framing, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you can approach it your sort of rebellious and then
Speaker 1: also let it go very Buddhist. So I just want
Speaker 1: to say thank you so much for that. I needed
Speaker 1: to hear everything you said, so, uh maybe it was
Speaker 1: for me. Maybe that's what the whole thing was. So
Speaker 1: thank you so much.
Speaker 3: Thank you.
Speaker 2: What do you think about that lady for the Temple
Speaker 2: of uh oh God? Yeah, thank you for asking Kevros.
Speaker 2: What do you think about that lady who used to
Speaker 2: be a funk I forgot a name, Zina whatever. She
Speaker 2: used to be in the Church of Satan. Now she's
Speaker 2: a Buddhist, you know, uh j what's her name? Daughter?
Speaker 2: She's a Buddhist.
Speaker 1: Who is She's a karma kagua. She's like a mind
Speaker 1: kind I mean, she's so. She's the daughter of Anton LaVey,
Speaker 1: who is was the co founder, founder of co founder.
Speaker 1: He was the founder, he was the founder of the
Speaker 1: Temples of Satan. Yeah, or the Skiing Couple. I can't
Speaker 1: remember one of those.
Speaker 5: I would be completely honest with your kamos. And her
Speaker 5: pop knowledge is not very high and.
Speaker 2: Well she might be better. Well she's really.
Speaker 3: Television Yeah, I'm really bad at anything past culture, so.
Speaker 1: Am I actually, so that is kind of funny. But
Speaker 1: she she so she is a contra Buddhist and so
Speaker 1: like obviously we believe in Tontraic Buddhism that you can
Speaker 1: rectify all your sins, like all your past karmas through
Speaker 1: the tontric thurgical procedures. Basically that's what it is. And
Speaker 1: so a lot of magicians find their way into various
Speaker 1: kinds of dharma because of that idea that you can control,
Speaker 1: you can be more a a causal in your life
Speaker 1: and also a rectify past karmas done in this life,
Speaker 1: not just of the past life, but of this life.
Speaker 1: So that's why a lot of people like dharma mhm
Speaker 1: m hm.
Speaker 3: Oh similar where we chant and then we purify our life.
Speaker 3: So we call it like cleaning the mirror, you know,
Speaker 3: so every time you're chanting, you're connecting to your highest self.
Speaker 3: And like the same idea, right, there's mutable and non
Speaker 3: mutable karma, right, and so like the mutable karma is
Speaker 3: like the karma of just like your existence. Like if
Speaker 3: you become a better person and you understand the ten
Speaker 3: factors of life and you're consistent to like carry a
Speaker 3: specific energy no matter all the relations that you're having
Speaker 3: with things and people, like you can clear your karma
Speaker 3: because you're choosing a specific frequency, You're choosing a specific
Speaker 3: world to live in, where like you know, non unmutable
Speaker 3: karma is like you don't have an arm, right, so
Speaker 3: like you're born without an arm, So like we can't
Speaker 3: really like help you. That can't really your Buddhist practice
Speaker 3: can't really help with that. So yeah, we believe in
Speaker 3: the same thing. And I think it's you know, I
Speaker 3: think people taking this right step from Satanism to you know,
Speaker 3: you're like a practice. I mean because like in Buddhism, right,
Speaker 3: so it's like everybody's at the assembly, so like in
Speaker 3: the Lotus Sutra, like the dragons are there, the asuras
Speaker 3: are there, Like everybody's at at the gathering when the
Speaker 3: Buddha preaches, and so you even have the devils and
Speaker 3: everybody protects the Buddhas. So it's like there is an
Speaker 3: interesting concept of like the ten worlds are all having
Speaker 3: their own experience in each of those those ten worlds
Speaker 3: has a Buddha, right, So like even in the people
Speaker 3: that are practicing Satanism, they still have the Buddhist seed
Speaker 3: inside of them. They still have the Buddha world. It's
Speaker 3: whether they want to touch that world or live in
Speaker 3: like the lower worlds of like rage and hunger and anger. Right,
Speaker 3: So I think it's and then you have to look
Speaker 3: at it, right, like it what does it mean to
Speaker 3: be on the Buddhist path? Right? Like in the load
Speaker 3: of Sutra, it says like even making an offering as
Speaker 3: a child, right, So like when I was a kid,
Speaker 3: I was for some reason fascinated with Buddhism, and I
Speaker 3: made that the I made a Buddhist symbol in art
Speaker 3: class because I would just like I love the idea
Speaker 3: of Buddhism, and so I made the symbol. And then
Speaker 3: like reading this text is like, yeah, even if a
Speaker 3: child unknowingly makes an art piece or is like a
Speaker 3: figurine of the Buddha or a Buddhist symbol, like they
Speaker 3: are on the path. So I think it's interesting that
Speaker 3: concept of like you know that person switching over.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was an amazing answer. I know it was
Speaker 1: probably a surprise, but it really was great. And the
Speaker 1: Lotus Sutra, like the way that you wove that story together,
Speaker 1: like the Naugas the Asuras, the you know, the Tullies
Speaker 1: and all the people of the Cardinal Ground. Yes, exactly right,
Speaker 1: they are there and they are here listening to this
Speaker 1: as well, and so it's important to like always carry
Speaker 1: forward that dharma seed. I struggle with this, Kyborro's I'm
Speaker 1: sure you don't. You seem very grounded, and I aspire
Speaker 1: to that maybe, you know, I definitely think it's like
Speaker 1: it is a consideration. I always try and consider it,
Speaker 1: like with the way that I'm presenting information, especially if
Speaker 1: it's dharmak. However, I'm just an imperfect vehicle and I'm
Speaker 1: definitely not a teacher. But I yeah, I think it's
Speaker 1: exactly what you said, like anyone can ever, everyone can
Speaker 1: choose darma. You can choose, right, And so I think
Speaker 1: that that's like really the lesson is like a lot
Speaker 1: of people who are more like retired from magic, they're
Speaker 1: they're kind of like, well, I know all this, I
Speaker 1: know all the wonders of the universe, and maybe it's
Speaker 1: time to like look at the wonders of.
Speaker 2: My own mind.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm. Yeah. And this is interesting about like the
Speaker 3: Buddha rain like whenever, like the Buddha's wisdom is always
Speaker 3: raining down and we all receive because we all have
Speaker 3: a capacity, right, So it's like we all receive the
Speaker 3: capacity of which we can absorb in which we can
Speaker 3: grow from. But we're all receiving the same amount of
Speaker 3: Buddha rain, of Buddha wisdom. It's just like, you know,
Speaker 3: we all receive what we can because that's where we're at.
Speaker 3: And I think the more we open up and cleanse
Speaker 3: our vessel and our senses to receive more, we get more, right,
Speaker 3: And that's where like my daily practice is like an
Speaker 3: hour in the morning and an hour in the evening,
Speaker 3: no matter what I have to do, because for me,
Speaker 3: that is the most important thing in my daily life
Speaker 3: is my Buddhist practice because it sets me up. It's
Speaker 3: my practice friend, like for moving forward through the day
Speaker 3: and ending my day.
Speaker 1: I agree, sor I apologize for the dogs, but no,
Speaker 1: absolutely sodna. I mean, I know you don't call it so,
Speaker 1: And I apologize for using them counts ready where it's
Speaker 1: it's just it's so out of habit. But yeah, that
Speaker 1: is how I also start my day and end my day.
Speaker 1: And if I do not, if I miss those and
Speaker 1: sometimes it happens, but if I do. I notice a
Speaker 1: huge difference, Like it's like very very divergent between between
Speaker 1: consistency and like missing even one of those two times.
Speaker 1: So I totally agree.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, even though for like myself, when I was
Speaker 2: big into ceremonial magic, I just had certain practices that
Speaker 2: I did every morning. You know, some of that would
Speaker 2: do with meditation, breath, but uh yeah, I even ordered
Speaker 2: for myself if I kind of started missing out on
Speaker 2: that to be a difference. So I can just imagine
Speaker 2: for you know, same thing everything for you, maybe even
Speaker 2: more intense actually than what I was doing. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: I could totally see that making a change in someone's
Speaker 2: you know, perception of reality actually the way or the
Speaker 2: way they deal with the things in their life.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, because I think it's important, like to spend
Speaker 3: that time. I think it's important to remember, like we're
Speaker 3: all individuals, right, and sometimes we're so interconnected through social media,
Speaker 3: through everything that like we forget or we'll like not forget,
Speaker 3: but like we it's important to disassociate everything in your
Speaker 3: life from your soul and like your actual experience. Like
Speaker 3: and this is where it's like, you know, I continuously
Speaker 3: quote the load of future because it's so profound for
Speaker 3: me because I read it over and over again, but like,
Speaker 3: you know, it's important. Like when the world, the Buddha's
Speaker 3: world is never on fire. Right, the house is on fire, Right,
Speaker 3: the world is on fire, but the Buddha's world is
Speaker 3: never on fire. And there's like this idea that like
Speaker 3: people are so and so taken by like the physical
Speaker 3: things in this world that they get caught in the
Speaker 3: material world. They get caught in this physical world, they
Speaker 3: get caught in this illusion of what is life. Right,
Speaker 3: and so this idea that like they don't even know
Speaker 3: the house is on fire. They're living in a burning house, right,
Speaker 3: and they're just so consumed with their playthings that they
Speaker 3: don't even notice that there's like crazy creatures ripping each
Speaker 3: other apart. They don't even know that there's like maggots
Speaker 3: crawling on the walls. And like the story is like
Speaker 3: the Buddha is like, I need to get these people
Speaker 3: out of this house. Right, the house is on fire.
Speaker 3: I need to get these people out. And so you know,
Speaker 3: through encouraging, like you will have better things, right, Like
Speaker 3: if you leave this house, I'll get you an ox cart,
Speaker 3: I will give you, Like the best jewels ever. I
Speaker 3: will give you all you want if you just leave
Speaker 3: this burning house. Like that's kind of the idea of
Speaker 3: like how to kind of see the world, right, Like
Speaker 3: we're we're living in a world that is on fire,
Speaker 3: but it's actually not on fire, right, It's like it
Speaker 3: looks like it's on fire because we have a lot
Speaker 3: of people circulating these like lower realms, in these lower worlds,
Speaker 3: and that's where I wonder, like, are we actually supposed
Speaker 3: to see all the things that are happening in the world.
Speaker 3: I'm not saying be ignorant, but we all have our
Speaker 3: own karma experiences, and I think sometimes going turning off
Speaker 3: everything is so essential so you can listen to the
Speaker 3: silence and know that there is no screaming, like and
Speaker 3: I'm fortunate for that, right And I'm not saying that
Speaker 3: I'll like, you know, I don't want to like offend
Speaker 3: anybody or like whatever. You know, I'm aware that there
Speaker 3: is screaming in the world, but I think it's important
Speaker 3: you know, like in your reality there's no screaming, and
Speaker 3: like you have done something karmically right to get to
Speaker 3: that space. And I'm not saying that people haven't done
Speaker 3: in something right, if there is screaming, we all have
Speaker 3: experiences for whatever reason. But yeah, I think it's important
Speaker 3: to turn everything off, and that's what that daily practice
Speaker 3: can give us.
Speaker 1: I love what you said end as well, that we
Speaker 1: have the agency of our own minds to choose whether well,
Speaker 1: I call it a little different apologize rosa tontric kind
Speaker 1: of language, but it's exactly the same you're saying a
Speaker 1: burning house. I say, yeah, Okay, we live on the
Speaker 1: carnal ground and we live in the garden, and we
Speaker 1: can choose to plant a garden. We can choose to
Speaker 1: you know, plant those dharmaic seeds. But it's it's up
Speaker 1: to us, and it's up to us what we want
Speaker 1: to focus on and like how we want to view
Speaker 1: the world, and like, yeah, we can acknowledge chronoground conditions obviously,
Speaker 1: but we don't have to fill ourselves with it, especially
Speaker 1: if we cannot control it.
Speaker 5: M Yeah, yeah, nice, well said. Yeah, both of you
Speaker 5: are well said on your different It's interesting how Buddhism
Speaker 5: is the through line and then these different uh you know,
Speaker 5: Mahayana with the Lotus sutro, which was you know, should
Speaker 5: Showshu that you're doing or to Jin's contrac Buddhism, it's
Speaker 5: you know, all mahyana is in Manayana, right, That's why
Speaker 5: I thought.
Speaker 1: Yeah, tantra is Mahayana in fact, like the Lotus Sutra
Speaker 1: is a prana Parmi to sutra perfection of wisdom text.
Speaker 1: All tantras derive from pranaparmi to sutras. There's our technical
Speaker 1: Sanskrit and sidem script formulas for deriving what we would
Speaker 1: call mantras and Durrani's so everything that you see that
Speaker 1: I would do, it actually comes from the Mahayana. So
Speaker 1: we would say we are Mahayanas in the sense that
Speaker 1: we follow sutras and we follow like the teachings of
Speaker 1: the Buddha. The coangar and the ten gear is what
Speaker 1: we call intiventan and so we would follow everything, but
Speaker 1: we just have a different methodology. We adopt a more
Speaker 1: magical formulation to get there. But it's very similar because
Speaker 1: we also say everything is empty. So even if I
Speaker 1: so for me, I'm very I'm very simple Brandon in
Speaker 1: my in my sofa, it's much more like kaivros. It's
Speaker 1: like I sit in front of my altar, I do.
Speaker 1: I mean, yes, I have deities and things, but it's
Speaker 1: it's the word, it's the it's the sound and the
Speaker 1: bija and I offer like lamb uh water and incense
Speaker 1: every day and then I do like two hours of
Speaker 1: like hardcore mantra recitation and a little bit of sutrare recitation.
Speaker 1: So it's very similar. I mean, the we're not talking
Speaker 1: about it's it's it's really the same idea.
Speaker 5: That's actually sounds so similar, right m hmm.
Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely, yeah, yeah, yeah, I love the Lotus suture too,
Speaker 3: because like in the end you have all the bodisatfas
Speaker 3: who are like reciting the protection spells and so like
Speaker 3: at the end of the Lotus suture you have yeah,
Speaker 3: like perceiver of world sounds and like all the body
Speaker 3: satfa is like swearing to protect those who uphold the
Speaker 3: load of sutra. So it's like in this practice we
Speaker 3: naturally have these like I think you call them do
Speaker 3: Rawni's and that is I think what they are called.
Speaker 3: But they're essentially like spells protecting the carriers of the
Speaker 3: lotus future.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, Buddhism's magic. What can you say?
Speaker 3: It is ed it is, Yeah, it really is, and
Speaker 3: that's why it's like, you know, it's funny. It's a
Speaker 3: religion and I'm proud to call it a religion. But
Speaker 3: at the same time, I'm like, there's an opening of
Speaker 3: the eye ceremony for the scrolls, like the whole ritual
Speaker 3: of everything, And honestly, that's kind of why I'm glad
Speaker 3: I was raised Catholic. Like I loved being sprinkled with
Speaker 3: holy water when they like walk around with the pine
Speaker 3: thing and they like sprinkle you with that, and like
Speaker 3: the incense and everything like that. Like I love ritual.
Speaker 3: My ninth house is aries, so like my idea of
Speaker 3: religion is like doing it, so I love the experience
Speaker 3: of it.
Speaker 1: I also was raised Catholic. Nick knows this. I think
Speaker 1: he's laughing secretly, but yeah, I mean I always said
Speaker 1: that too. It's like there is something there is something
Speaker 1: about like being raised Catholic and then you kind of
Speaker 1: see like the ritual formulation of things and whether you
Speaker 1: understand it or not in terms of like how we
Speaker 1: would do it in dharma or how you would see
Speaker 1: like if you go to a Tivet Darma center see
Speaker 1: the monks doing creature, like it doesn't really make sense
Speaker 1: in a Catholic context, but you understand there is like
Speaker 1: a sort of higher aspirational degree of a action in
Speaker 1: the world, like how you work through the angles. Maybe
Speaker 1: that's a good way to even express that, and so
Speaker 1: I agree that it gives you at least that initial
Speaker 1: spark of seeing. Okay, there's a ritual formulation in which
Speaker 1: a certain rights take place, and we're going to just
Speaker 1: like understand that in our own way now that we
Speaker 1: have the religion of our choice rather than religion of birth,
Speaker 1: which is totally fine, and everybody's welcome to do that too.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm, yeah, thank you, j.
Speaker 2: Jen Or right, there was anything else you wanted to
Speaker 2: bring up or talk about before?
Speaker 5: I think, you know, I uh, she's a wealth of knowledge.
Speaker 5: So obviously we're just gonna have to bring her back
Speaker 5: on because she's got a mad like she's got the
Speaker 5: divine madness within her, and so she's got the flaming
Speaker 5: sword and there's a lot of things that she can
Speaker 5: speak very elegantly about.
Speaker 2: Had like two or three questions. I still can't remember them.
Speaker 2: It's like sometimes, especially when I've spoken, people say stuff
Speaker 2: and I'll get like a question and it's like I
Speaker 2: go down a rabbit hole on my own fucking head
Speaker 2: about it. When do people stop talking, I'm like, fuck,
Speaker 2: where did that rabbit hole stuff from? That I want
Speaker 2: to answer them about?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah I get that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I definitely love to get you back out.
Speaker 2: It might even be justavy one sometimes just with other
Speaker 2: topics as well.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I love that. That'd be fun.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think so for sure. For sure. Before
Speaker 2: we wrap it up, Jin, do you want to let
Speaker 2: everybody know find all your amazing stuff.
Speaker 3: Sure?
Speaker 1: But I just want to say first that this was
Speaker 1: actually a truly lovely conversation. Very rarely have met people
Speaker 1: that I can really Dharma's uh, it's still new. It's
Speaker 1: still new in the new world, which is okay. We're
Speaker 1: very you know, positive about it, clear pelled, and so
Speaker 1: we're we're allowing it to take form in the ways
Speaker 1: that it will on this on this on this job
Speaker 1: would be BA. So I'm very positive. I try and
Speaker 1: always say that as well. Like, but I just want
Speaker 1: to say thank you so much for this conversation and
Speaker 1: for bringing dharma and centering and so much. It means
Speaker 1: a lot to me personally, and so and thank you
Speaker 1: Brandon also for inviting me and like wanting me on
Speaker 1: the episode, and Nick for of course setting this all
Speaker 1: up and having me on the show so regularly. Thank
Speaker 1: you very much. And people can check me out at
Speaker 1: wukong Reborn wuk o ng Reborn that's my personal account
Speaker 1: on x Twitter or Threshold Saints on x Twitter as
Speaker 1: well and ig and then Threshold Saints subsack dot com
Speaker 1: and then everybody else will check out Matt Murra and
Speaker 1: his websites and his link tree, all of which you
Speaker 1: can find at the True Gray Lodge dot com which
Speaker 1: is t r V True Gray Lodge dot com. Thank
Speaker 1: you guys so much.
Speaker 2: Appreciate it. Thank you, oh, thank you so I appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Appreciate you joining us and Brandon. Please let everybody know
Speaker 2: what they can find all your amazing one yeah, of course, yeah.
Speaker 5: Please head on over to megas in the media on YouTube,
Speaker 5: on x on Instagram, on all the things. We're trying
Speaker 5: to take over the world, all four of us and
Speaker 5: every other of the occult rejects out there. It's a
Speaker 5: mad world and the house is burning, as Kaiva says,
Speaker 5: and you have to be in it. It's time to
Speaker 5: get out. You don't even need to get on the
Speaker 5: cart and so it's one of those things where it's
Speaker 5: a beautiful world and I just think that the celestials
Speaker 5: and the Earth and your individuality really have meaning. And
Speaker 5: Kaiva is brilliant and she has the ability to show
Speaker 5: you that. So please is you know, if you're following me,
Speaker 5: please head over to eleven kaivros thirty three dot com
Speaker 5: as well. And I know she's gonna plug all her
Speaker 5: stuff and I'm gonna help and head over to her
Speaker 5: YouTube because she's so brilliant and she's helped so many
Speaker 5: people and everyone who's listening, she can definitely help you.
Speaker 5: But please, yeah, you're next.
Speaker 2: I was listening. That was really nice. Yeah, and finally, Kaiva,
Speaker 2: please let everybody. Oh first, I do want to say,
Speaker 2: you know, when it comes to astrology, and like Eva
Speaker 2: J said, like I do believe it's real. I'm just
Speaker 2: very bad at it. I probably knew enough just to
Speaker 2: do planetary well. I mean I probably should have known
Speaker 2: more if I was messing with planetary magic, but I
Speaker 2: knew enough just too. I think felt okay with doing
Speaker 2: that stuff. But a lot of the stuff, like you
Speaker 2: were talking about on the show, it's like almost another
Speaker 2: language to me. So I do appreciate you coming on
Speaker 2: because I really compared to astrologers, I don't know, I
Speaker 2: know jack shit. So it was very very nice and
Speaker 2: I'd love to hear more about it. But please let
Speaker 2: everybody know what's up and where they can find all
Speaker 2: you stuff.
Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you so much for having me. I really
Speaker 3: appreciate it. This is actually the first interview that I've
Speaker 3: done where I've told my full backstory, so it's kind
Speaker 3: of like really nice. Yeah, I learned how to sum
Speaker 3: it up really good and like it's the point of things.
Speaker 3: So like, thank you for having me. I really appreciate it,
Speaker 3: and I'm glad I help you know, expand your astrological
Speaker 3: understanding and there's more and all that great stuff. But yeah,
Speaker 3: you can find me at Kaiva Rose on Instagram. I
Speaker 3: used to be on TikTok not You Moore on YouTube Facebook,
Speaker 3: and I post weekly videos so they come out every
Speaker 3: Sunday and they just talk about the week ahead. And yeah,
Speaker 3: and if you want to get a reading, you can
Speaker 3: contact me at eleven Kaiva Rose thirty three dot com.
Speaker 3: I was born at eleven thirty three, so that's why
Speaker 3: there's eleven in the front and at thirty three at
Speaker 3: the end.
Speaker 5: That's beautiful. And also go out and read her books.
Speaker 5: Go to rue Odyssey. They are brilliant. She's writing the
Speaker 5: third one currently. It is a trilogy. The first two
Speaker 5: are out there, so everyone knows. Thank you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, rue Odyssey dot com as ru Ruodissey dot com. Yeah,
Speaker 3: book three will probably come out in like a year
Speaker 3: or more than that. It's it was the least developed screenplay, so.
Speaker 2: It's more work to do to the show. If you
Speaker 2: want to send me all the links you got and
Speaker 2: I'll add them to the show afterwards, we'll make sure
Speaker 2: I put it in you as well. So yeah, thank
Speaker 2: you very much.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and thank you Jin. I want to say thank you.
Speaker 3: I really appreciate that. It was wonderful to chat with
Speaker 3: you too about a different Buddhist practice and connect on
Speaker 3: those things. So I really appreciate that you guys are
Speaker 3: all so wonderful and I appreciate you all. Thank you,
Speaker 3: thank you.
Speaker 1: That's really sweet. Thank you very much.
Speaker 2: I appreciate that we're trying. We're trying, but thank you
Speaker 2: very much Kaiva for coming on. Like I said again,
Speaker 2: I'd love to get you out in the future. And
Speaker 2: we will definitely make that happen. And uh, thank you
Speaker 2: everybody in the chat. That's what's up. That's why I
Speaker 2: go live. I like seeing everybody there and everything. Everybody's
Speaker 2: got to say, Uh, if you've got to be a
Speaker 2: dicto repeatedly, I might have to put you in time out.
Speaker 2: So I had to do that to somebody today. I
Speaker 2: don't know, and you know what, you know what it
Speaker 2: is to the last two or three days, I've noticed
Speaker 2: having issues with like people in chat, and none of
Speaker 2: them are actually people that normally listen to this channel. Yeah,
Speaker 2: they're from another fucking podcast. I'm not retold you. What's
Speaker 2: good to stop your ship?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, we could do a horror on that.
Speaker 1: It is kind of the season.
Speaker 2: It feels like for a lot of that misship just
Speaker 2: wait for them sending their bots over here too, because
Speaker 2: I only like boxes. So that's the whole of the story.
Speaker 2: But thank you very much. And yeah, sorry I had
Speaker 2: to put somebody in time out. But yeah, that's what happens.
Speaker 2: I don't know where I was going with that, but
Speaker 2: uh yeah, oh yeah, because we're talking about the chat. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but thank you everybody. That's what's up again. I do
Speaker 2: appreciate everybody in the chat. I love seeing the regulars
Speaker 2: and that's what's up. And by the way, people who
Speaker 2: do have wrenches, you are allowed to put people in
Speaker 2: time out and ban them. I don't give a ship. Well,
Speaker 2: I prefer you're not the band. I'm begetting censorship. So
Speaker 2: I do allow people to run their mouths. But after
Speaker 2: a while it's just like fucking shit, shut up already,
Speaker 2: you know. So if you got a wrench, you can,
Speaker 2: you know, use it chat. Yeah, yeah, exactly, but uh yeah.
Speaker 2: That is the end of another occult rejection until the
Speaker 2: next one. Everybody be well later.