WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.200 --> 00:00:05.040 You see something's going to happen. 2 00:00:06.320 --> 00:00:25.280 What what's gonna happen? What all you help? Welcome to 3 00:00:25.359 --> 00:00:29.079 the Occult Rejects. Today, we've got a special guest with us. 4 00:00:29.280 --> 00:00:32.240 We've got Kaiva Rose looking very very much to have 5 00:00:32.280 --> 00:00:34.039 a having a conversation with her. We're gonna be talking 6 00:00:34.039 --> 00:00:37.240 about some astrology, taro, maybe some other stuff. But before 7 00:00:37.280 --> 00:00:40.479 we introduce her, let me introduce the other guests. Jin 8 00:00:41.079 --> 00:00:41.759 what is going on? 9 00:00:41.840 --> 00:00:42.000 Sir? 10 00:00:42.079 --> 00:00:42.560 How are you? 11 00:00:43.320 --> 00:00:45.679 What is a Thanks bos mister ninety three. I'm not 12 00:00:45.759 --> 00:00:48.119 used to going first actually, so it's kind of an 13 00:00:48.119 --> 00:00:51.560 interesting dynamic today. 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Yeah, I've got Sachkey's episode number a second 30 00:01:40.599 --> 00:01:43.599 episode coming up, and I have a master Gong Swin 31 00:01:43.719 --> 00:01:45.840 and I have all these all this stuff going on, 32 00:01:45.879 --> 00:01:49.959 so watch that the feeds. It's happening, So just keep it, 33 00:01:50.159 --> 00:01:52.959 keep it going. Thanks guys, appreciate it. I'm really excited. 34 00:01:53.359 --> 00:01:55.120 Oh yeah, thank you very much for joining us. I 35 00:01:55.120 --> 00:01:58.480 appreciate it. Sir, and my man Matt Moore, what is 36 00:01:58.519 --> 00:01:59.079 going on? Sir? 37 00:02:00.840 --> 00:02:02.959 What is up? Tell me if I kept because the 38 00:02:03.040 --> 00:02:07.840 Internet here greatest. But anyways, you can always find me 39 00:02:07.879 --> 00:02:13.159 as at Metmore nineteen. That's going to be on Twitter, YouTube, TikTok, Instagram, 40 00:02:13.759 --> 00:02:18.159 maybe some other place and always there speaking about Kabala nowadays. 41 00:02:18.520 --> 00:02:21.800 There's also very cool project that I'm working on and 42 00:02:21.960 --> 00:02:25.199 going to launch pretty soon, which is called gum Move. 43 00:02:25.240 --> 00:02:27.680 It's like a discourse layer on top of social media 44 00:02:28.120 --> 00:02:31.240 for all of us weird and interesting people that like 45 00:02:31.240 --> 00:02:33.800 to talk about astrology, taro, Kabala, magic, all this kind 46 00:02:33.840 --> 00:02:36.000 of stuff, and you can join as a pre launch 47 00:02:36.039 --> 00:02:38.840 now at enter gum moo dot com. That's g a 48 00:02:39.719 --> 00:02:43.120 m you enter gum moo dot com. So pretty excited 49 00:02:43.120 --> 00:02:46.360 for today. It was actually watching a video on astrology 50 00:02:46.560 --> 00:02:50.080 just now and it was very interesting. So cool, let's 51 00:02:50.080 --> 00:02:50.680 speak about it. 52 00:02:50.919 --> 00:02:53.039 Oh yeah, well, thank you very much for making them, Matt, 53 00:02:53.199 --> 00:02:55.879 I really appreciate you doing that. And uh, last, but 54 00:02:55.919 --> 00:02:58.719 not least, Brandon magis in the media. Sir, please let 55 00:02:58.800 --> 00:03:00.560 us know where way we can find your stuff. 56 00:03:02.080 --> 00:03:05.560 Yes, thank you, as always. Nick excited for this one, obviously, 57 00:03:05.719 --> 00:03:09.439 I have invested interests. Kaiva Rose is brilliant in all 58 00:03:09.560 --> 00:03:13.919 ways and all things, her astrology, her taro. Yeah, so 59 00:03:14.000 --> 00:03:16.560 I'm just really excited for this one. Her book is amazing. 60 00:03:17.599 --> 00:03:20.560 You can check out maggas in the media on YouTube, 61 00:03:21.039 --> 00:03:24.479 on x and on Instagram. We're all trying to take 62 00:03:24.520 --> 00:03:28.280 over the world one follower and subscriber at a time, 63 00:03:28.560 --> 00:03:31.599 so make sure you subscribe to this for everyone that's 64 00:03:31.599 --> 00:03:35.680 on here. Here we go, let's get some traditional astrology 65 00:03:36.120 --> 00:03:37.000 dropped on us. 66 00:03:37.080 --> 00:03:37.639 Let's get it. 67 00:03:37.759 --> 00:03:39.599 I love it. I love it. Man, that was great. 68 00:03:39.680 --> 00:03:41.919 I just want to say really quick that everybody should 69 00:03:41.960 --> 00:03:45.360 subscribe to Brannan's magazine, The Media Channel. It is legit 70 00:03:45.439 --> 00:03:47.120 really good. And I give him a lot of shit 71 00:03:47.199 --> 00:03:49.199 when he comes on the show, but I really do 72 00:03:49.360 --> 00:03:52.000 like his anime episodes. I mean, I think I'm an 73 00:03:52.080 --> 00:03:54.120 anime episodes are pretty good too. But I'm just saying 74 00:03:54.120 --> 00:03:55.840 that I do think Brandon does a really good job 75 00:03:57.120 --> 00:03:59.639 sub to him, and so I'm there there, Brandon, I'm 76 00:03:59.639 --> 00:04:00.599 making up for all the times. 77 00:04:02.520 --> 00:04:03.159 Thank you Jin. 78 00:04:03.360 --> 00:04:05.319 That means the world, Thank you Jin. And if Jin 79 00:04:05.439 --> 00:04:06.680 says it's good, it's gotta be. 80 00:04:08.879 --> 00:04:10.400 I will even say. I mean there's a lot even 81 00:04:10.400 --> 00:04:11.759 though like the Neil Playton and there's a lot of 82 00:04:11.759 --> 00:04:13.719 stuff Brandon covers, so I would, you know, I suggest 83 00:04:13.840 --> 00:04:16.680 myself seriously go check out his stuff. You know, something impressive, 84 00:04:17.000 --> 00:04:18.839 pressive work. That's why as soon as I came across him, 85 00:04:18.839 --> 00:04:19.959 I was like, no, I should get this guy on 86 00:04:20.040 --> 00:04:26.160 the show. Yeah, thank you. But finally to the guests, Kaira, 87 00:04:26.519 --> 00:04:29.600 how are you please let everybody know where they can 88 00:04:29.639 --> 00:04:31.519 find your stuff and let everybody know about that book 89 00:04:31.560 --> 00:04:31.839 as well. 90 00:04:33.240 --> 00:04:36.560 Yeah, so my name's Kiva Rose, and you can find 91 00:04:36.600 --> 00:04:43.319 me on Instagram YouTube at Kaiva Rose. And I have 92 00:04:43.519 --> 00:04:48.879 been practicing astrology since twenty sixteen. That's it's pretty far 93 00:04:49.000 --> 00:04:51.160 into my journey, though. I would say astrology is one 94 00:04:51.160 --> 00:04:53.279 of the newest things that I started to study, and 95 00:04:53.360 --> 00:04:55.879 it's through my background that is actually able to understand 96 00:04:57.399 --> 00:04:59.160 a lot of astrology pretty easily. 97 00:05:00.079 --> 00:05:00.279 Yeah. 98 00:05:00.319 --> 00:05:02.759 My book is a young adult fantasy series. It's called 99 00:05:02.920 --> 00:05:06.560 Rue Odyssey, and it kind of is so when I 100 00:05:06.639 --> 00:05:08.639 first wrote it, it was a short story. Then I 101 00:05:08.720 --> 00:05:10.480 took that short story and I wrote it into a 102 00:05:10.519 --> 00:05:12.839 screenplay because I was living in Los Angeles, and actually 103 00:05:13.160 --> 00:05:16.800 it became a screenplay when I was doing my Buddhist practice. 104 00:05:16.800 --> 00:05:18.519 I was at the temple and all of a sudden, 105 00:05:18.600 --> 00:05:20.639 the story just like channeled it to me, and so 106 00:05:20.800 --> 00:05:23.399 I started writing it and became a screenplay. So from 107 00:05:23.439 --> 00:05:26.399 a screenplay, I had in pre product or in development 108 00:05:26.480 --> 00:05:30.680 for like six four to six years, and then I 109 00:05:30.839 --> 00:05:32.600 took it back into my own hands because some things 110 00:05:32.639 --> 00:05:34.879 happened with my producer, and then I wrote it into 111 00:05:34.920 --> 00:05:37.000 novels and so it was actually really fun to write 112 00:05:37.000 --> 00:05:39.480 them into novels because the story was so much part 113 00:05:39.519 --> 00:05:43.240 of my life for so long, and it was actually 114 00:05:43.319 --> 00:05:45.720 writing them into novels that I was actually able to 115 00:05:45.759 --> 00:05:48.120 really flash out the story and make it so much 116 00:05:48.199 --> 00:05:54.000 more full of mystical, metaphysical, you know, spiritual things as 117 00:05:54.040 --> 00:05:58.720 well as some Buddhist things as well as astrology. So yeah, 118 00:05:58.759 --> 00:06:01.120 it's a young adult fantasy series and it's fun. So 119 00:06:01.279 --> 00:06:04.720 it's steampunk magical realism. And you can find it at 120 00:06:04.839 --> 00:06:05.839 rooodyssey dot com. 121 00:06:06.839 --> 00:06:10.800 Thank you so much, Thank you so much. Yeah, I 122 00:06:10.839 --> 00:06:11.959 mean I hate to do it, but it's just the 123 00:06:12.000 --> 00:06:13.879 same question I ask all people that come on the show, 124 00:06:13.959 --> 00:06:16.199 like this, what was it I got into this? How 125 00:06:16.240 --> 00:06:17.839 did you end up getting into this type of stuff? 126 00:06:19.399 --> 00:06:23.199 Yeah, so I would say my journey began a long 127 00:06:23.279 --> 00:06:26.439 time ago, probably like lifetimes ago, but actually in this lifetime, 128 00:06:26.639 --> 00:06:28.959 I've always been super sensitive. So since I was a child, 129 00:06:29.319 --> 00:06:31.879 I was always sensitive to what everybody was feeling, what 130 00:06:31.959 --> 00:06:34.800 everybody was going through, and I would always I would 131 00:06:34.879 --> 00:06:36.560 kind of like take it on, you know. So I 132 00:06:36.720 --> 00:06:38.839 was like I would hear things, I would feel things. 133 00:06:39.279 --> 00:06:41.279 I was just very very sensitive. And so when I 134 00:06:41.439 --> 00:06:44.279 went into high school, you know, we all have our 135 00:06:44.319 --> 00:06:46.639 guardians taking us on our journey right. So in high 136 00:06:46.639 --> 00:06:52.279 school I really expanded my consciousness through plant medicine, and 137 00:06:52.560 --> 00:06:56.079 so I was able to connect to I guess you 138 00:06:56.079 --> 00:06:57.959 could say it was like my guardian, you know, your 139 00:06:58.079 --> 00:06:59.839 holy guardian, angel, whatever you want to call it, your 140 00:07:00.000 --> 00:07:05.040 spear guide. And I started I would like always write 141 00:07:05.040 --> 00:07:07.680 in my journal and I would get these really intelligent things. 142 00:07:07.720 --> 00:07:09.160 And as a high schooler, I was like, how do 143 00:07:09.319 --> 00:07:11.120 I know this type of stuff? Like I shouldn't know 144 00:07:11.279 --> 00:07:15.319 this information, and so my journal became my way of 145 00:07:15.480 --> 00:07:18.959 connecting to It was like my own therapy. But it 146 00:07:19.000 --> 00:07:21.120 was also like bringing through this information. I always thought 147 00:07:21.160 --> 00:07:23.639 it felt like maybe in my past life I was 148 00:07:23.720 --> 00:07:27.680 like some philosopher, or maybe it's my guides that are 149 00:07:27.759 --> 00:07:30.560 telling me this information. I'm not quite sure. But so 150 00:07:30.800 --> 00:07:34.079 my journey began very like in an experiential way. So 151 00:07:34.240 --> 00:07:37.079 with like plant medicines, I was able to really expand 152 00:07:37.160 --> 00:07:39.639 my consciousness, break out of the norms. And then when 153 00:07:39.680 --> 00:07:42.720 I was eighteen years old, I moved to Minneapolis, and 154 00:07:42.800 --> 00:07:46.920 then I was I got into kind of like western Erbalism. 155 00:07:47.000 --> 00:07:49.519 So I went to school for western Erbalism, and through 156 00:07:49.600 --> 00:07:52.759 that I got into the chakra system, learning about flower essences. 157 00:07:53.240 --> 00:07:57.240 But really through stones, I was able to actually understand energetics. 158 00:07:57.839 --> 00:08:00.720 So for me as being somebody who's very, very sensitive 159 00:08:00.720 --> 00:08:03.920 to everything, stones were the first thing that taught me 160 00:08:04.000 --> 00:08:06.639 how to feel something that was healthy, not like my 161 00:08:06.720 --> 00:08:09.639 life was unhealthy, but you know, a stone is like 162 00:08:09.959 --> 00:08:13.639 it's wisdom, right, So it's like energy that's been you know, 163 00:08:14.360 --> 00:08:17.360 living material that's been compacted over like millions of years 164 00:08:17.879 --> 00:08:20.439 to become a single crystal. So it's a lot of 165 00:08:20.560 --> 00:08:22.920 information in that crystal. And so I was able to 166 00:08:23.600 --> 00:08:27.800 I took some courses on gemstones and how to do 167 00:08:27.959 --> 00:08:31.839 readings with gemstones and then yeah, so with that I 168 00:08:31.959 --> 00:08:34.679 did that, and then the flower essences. And through the 169 00:08:34.720 --> 00:08:37.759 flower essences, it was interesting because my teacher was like 170 00:08:37.840 --> 00:08:41.759 this crazy, mad alchemist type of guy, and he the 171 00:08:41.879 --> 00:08:44.000 first class I went to with him, he had this 172 00:08:44.159 --> 00:08:48.399 flower essence that he made under some like astrological configuration, 173 00:08:48.919 --> 00:08:51.080 and like we got to class and he just like 174 00:08:51.200 --> 00:08:53.720 dropped us with all this with these like little droppers 175 00:08:53.799 --> 00:08:56.399 of flower essences that were like made on a specific time. 176 00:08:57.080 --> 00:09:00.559 So it was like my past made me super sensitive 177 00:09:00.600 --> 00:09:03.080 to understand like what we just experienced, like because it 178 00:09:03.159 --> 00:09:05.240 was holding an energy, and so it kind of changed 179 00:09:05.279 --> 00:09:08.559 your consciousness ever so slightly with the energy of the plant, 180 00:09:08.840 --> 00:09:12.960 not like psychedelic, but it's like a very subtle energy, right, 181 00:09:13.039 --> 00:09:16.240 So so yeah, and then from there I learned the 182 00:09:16.320 --> 00:09:21.679 chakra system and then I became a Buddhist in twenty eleven. 183 00:09:22.720 --> 00:09:27.679 So actually being sensitive to everything I learned the stones, 184 00:09:27.799 --> 00:09:30.000 I learned everything. I didn't really do any more plant 185 00:09:30.039 --> 00:09:33.000 medicine after that time period. It wasn't until I found 186 00:09:33.000 --> 00:09:37.399 Buddhism that I actually really started to develop like a 187 00:09:37.480 --> 00:09:41.080 really solid practice for myself. Like I had done goddess 188 00:09:41.159 --> 00:09:43.960 worship and like goddess practice and like all these things. 189 00:09:44.000 --> 00:09:45.960 So I had an altar, I had everything set up, 190 00:09:46.879 --> 00:09:48.879 but it wasn't until I became a Buddhist that I 191 00:09:48.919 --> 00:09:50.960 actually had like a daily practice that I was able 192 00:09:51.039 --> 00:09:54.120 to set up and everything like that. And so I'm 193 00:09:54.159 --> 00:09:57.120 a Nietron Shoshoe Buddhist. So we have a scroll, so 194 00:09:57.279 --> 00:10:00.159 we don't worship figures or anything like that. We it's 195 00:10:00.200 --> 00:10:03.080 a scroll and it's essentially a talisman. So like the 196 00:10:03.159 --> 00:10:07.320 way I look at it is that each of the 197 00:10:07.399 --> 00:10:09.639 scrolls is like handwritten and it has an opening of 198 00:10:09.720 --> 00:10:12.159 the eye ceremony that it goes through, and so it's 199 00:10:12.240 --> 00:10:15.120 like a really powerful thing. And so when I first 200 00:10:15.440 --> 00:10:18.960 saw the Gohansen, I like energetically just had a very 201 00:10:19.399 --> 00:10:22.159 had like a very specific experience, and I was like, 202 00:10:22.279 --> 00:10:24.759 that thing is alive, Like I need to do this thing. 203 00:10:25.279 --> 00:10:28.159 And so then I just started becoming really devotional in 204 00:10:28.200 --> 00:10:30.639 my practice because I lived like half a mile away 205 00:10:30.639 --> 00:10:32.840 from the temple, so every morning I'd wake up at 206 00:10:33.200 --> 00:10:35.320 you know, six o'clock and go champ for however long 207 00:10:35.360 --> 00:10:37.919 I needed to. Because at that time, you know, I 208 00:10:38.080 --> 00:10:40.480 was very experienced with like energetics, how to do things, 209 00:10:40.559 --> 00:10:43.519 how to feel things, but not necessarily ground myself. And 210 00:10:43.639 --> 00:10:45.440 so it was through like my Buddhist practice, I was 211 00:10:45.480 --> 00:10:49.559 actually able to pull everything together. And so that was that, 212 00:10:49.799 --> 00:10:52.679 and then my astrology practice actually helped make sense of 213 00:10:52.720 --> 00:10:55.720 my entire life. So astrology has a really special place 214 00:10:55.759 --> 00:10:58.440 in my heart because it was only when I started 215 00:10:58.440 --> 00:11:00.559 to read astrology that I noticed that like, I'm not 216 00:11:01.320 --> 00:11:03.960 you know, I'm not crazy or I'm not just like 217 00:11:04.120 --> 00:11:05.919 out of place like I am. I have a very 218 00:11:06.080 --> 00:11:10.879 Uranian nature, which makes me I don't attach to things right. 219 00:11:11.000 --> 00:11:14.320 So it's like people can see that as like unreliable 220 00:11:14.519 --> 00:11:18.440 or scattered or anything like that. But it was through 221 00:11:18.840 --> 00:11:20.960 learning astrology that I was able to kind of make 222 00:11:21.000 --> 00:11:22.480 sense of everything. So that's a little bit of a 223 00:11:22.600 --> 00:11:24.480 gist of everything. 224 00:11:27.080 --> 00:11:30.200 Yeah, I was actually thinking about doing shows on crystals too. 225 00:11:30.519 --> 00:11:33.600 There's so much stuff like scientifically pisio electricity and all 226 00:11:33.639 --> 00:11:37.919 that stuff that I don't think most yeah crystal, yeah, yeah, yeah. 227 00:11:37.919 --> 00:11:39.840 I mean even with the Herb series, I have to 228 00:11:39.879 --> 00:11:41.200 pat myself on the back, but I think there's a 229 00:11:41.200 --> 00:11:43.639 lot of things that I don't know. I just like, 230 00:11:43.799 --> 00:11:45.120 if you were to listen to it, I don't know 231 00:11:45.159 --> 00:11:47.039 if you've even said that. I put it out. A 232 00:11:47.120 --> 00:11:48.720 lot of these herbs, the things that you think that 233 00:11:48.759 --> 00:11:50.600 they're supposedly doing, if you look at what it does 234 00:11:50.639 --> 00:11:53.960 to you, like, you know, physiologically, I could see whether 235 00:11:54.000 --> 00:11:56.120 they're saying it banishes this and banishes that, it gets 236 00:11:56.159 --> 00:11:59.360 rid of fucking stress, anxiety, fear, all these things. It's 237 00:11:59.399 --> 00:12:02.360 just like, sometimes I'm wonder, is it actually the herb 238 00:12:02.480 --> 00:12:04.720 that's really doing the magic? You know what I'm saying. 239 00:12:04.759 --> 00:12:05.279 M hmmm. 240 00:12:05.559 --> 00:12:08.080 So, and I even wonder that about crystals to an extent. 241 00:12:09.000 --> 00:12:12.480 Mm hmmm. Well, it's like everything has a certain information, right. 242 00:12:12.600 --> 00:12:14.960 So it's like I always look at you know, like 243 00:12:15.080 --> 00:12:17.600 we have these stones to teach us, like, yes, they 244 00:12:17.639 --> 00:12:20.200 can protect us from things everything like that, but it's 245 00:12:20.240 --> 00:12:23.080 really to teach you how to have a stronger aura. Right. 246 00:12:23.200 --> 00:12:25.080 So it's like everything is a teacher. We can and 247 00:12:25.200 --> 00:12:27.759 that's where it's like plant medicine is a teacher, and 248 00:12:27.919 --> 00:12:31.000 like I haven't even done anything for some time because 249 00:12:31.000 --> 00:12:32.320 it was like it was so much a part of 250 00:12:32.360 --> 00:12:34.480 my journey when I was younger that I got it. 251 00:12:34.840 --> 00:12:36.960 I got it, I understood it, and I moved you know, 252 00:12:37.679 --> 00:12:38.039 moved on. 253 00:12:39.159 --> 00:12:45.360 So I guess what, uh, what kind of got you 254 00:12:45.519 --> 00:12:49.679 into Well, if you want to talk about the book, 255 00:12:49.679 --> 00:12:50.799 I was going to ask you what got you even 256 00:12:51.120 --> 00:12:52.120 thinking about writing a book? 257 00:12:53.879 --> 00:12:57.720 Yeah? So it was actually so I was kind of 258 00:12:57.879 --> 00:13:01.320 like searching for or something in life, you know, Like 259 00:13:01.799 --> 00:13:05.080 I when I first moved to Los Angeles, that's when 260 00:13:05.080 --> 00:13:07.000 I became a Buddhist, and so a lot of the 261 00:13:07.519 --> 00:13:11.399 journey kind of just revolves around my experience as a Buddhist. 262 00:13:11.440 --> 00:13:13.840 Because I never thought I would be a screenwriter. I 263 00:13:13.919 --> 00:13:15.720 never thought I'd be a writer like that was never 264 00:13:15.840 --> 00:13:19.639 I like short stories, I like poetry. I like because 265 00:13:19.679 --> 00:13:22.399 I like to entertain myself, you know, And it was 266 00:13:22.720 --> 00:13:24.440 through one day I was at the temple and I 267 00:13:24.559 --> 00:13:26.200 was like, well, what is my life purpose? Like what 268 00:13:26.279 --> 00:13:28.440 am I doing? Like seriously, what am I doing? And 269 00:13:28.480 --> 00:13:30.559 all of a sudden, like the story just like started 270 00:13:30.639 --> 00:13:33.120 just pouring in. And it was a short story that 271 00:13:33.240 --> 00:13:36.279 had written before, So that short story all of a sudden, 272 00:13:36.399 --> 00:13:40.320 like the characters became alive in my head, and like 273 00:13:40.399 --> 00:13:43.279 the whole thing became alive. And so the reason it 274 00:13:43.360 --> 00:13:45.679 became a novel is because when I, like I said, 275 00:13:45.720 --> 00:13:48.799 when I had to break apart from my producer, I 276 00:13:48.799 --> 00:13:51.159 couldn't let the story go like I did go for 277 00:13:51.320 --> 00:13:53.240 like an entire year and just like lived in Mont 278 00:13:53.279 --> 00:13:56.000 Shasta and just enjoyed life. But then you know, then 279 00:13:56.039 --> 00:13:57.320 it was like, okay, well what am I doing with 280 00:13:57.399 --> 00:13:59.279 this story that had so much a part of my life? 281 00:13:59.399 --> 00:14:03.200 So I just decided to write it into a novel. 282 00:14:03.360 --> 00:14:07.159 And you know, the screenplay was so developed that it 283 00:14:07.200 --> 00:14:10.600 actually wasn't hard to write the novel because the screenplay 284 00:14:10.639 --> 00:14:16.120 is essentially an outline for a book. And another reason too, 285 00:14:16.240 --> 00:14:18.799 is because I love the characters like I love my 286 00:14:19.000 --> 00:14:21.360 characters in my book, they're so fun. So part of 287 00:14:21.440 --> 00:14:23.960 it is like the costume design was a part that 288 00:14:24.039 --> 00:14:27.840 I loved, and just the overall message because I think 289 00:14:28.879 --> 00:14:30.440 the reason I wrote this story is because I was 290 00:14:30.559 --> 00:14:33.799 as I was a young woman, and I was so rebellious, 291 00:14:33.840 --> 00:14:37.440 but it wasn't necessarily like rebellious against something. I was 292 00:14:37.559 --> 00:14:40.720 just aware that things were broken, and I was so sensitive, 293 00:14:40.759 --> 00:14:43.159 like I could hear what people were saying, because you 294 00:14:43.240 --> 00:14:46.799 can't lie to me, your tone, everything about what you say. 295 00:14:47.080 --> 00:14:49.159 I can tell what you're saying, even if it's said 296 00:14:49.200 --> 00:14:51.320 in like the most nicest way and most people can't 297 00:14:51.360 --> 00:14:53.639 hear it. I would hear what people are actually saying. 298 00:14:53.720 --> 00:14:56.799 And I think that's one thing that is very apparent 299 00:14:56.879 --> 00:14:59.399 in the book. As there's like these characters called the dignitaries. 300 00:15:00.000 --> 00:15:03.480 Dignitaries are essentially like you know, just like the lords 301 00:15:03.480 --> 00:15:06.519 of this village, and they have changed what was once 302 00:15:06.679 --> 00:15:11.080 like a very harmonious village connected to the mystical land 303 00:15:11.120 --> 00:15:13.600 of Rue, like it was one of these communities. Rue 304 00:15:13.679 --> 00:15:15.919 is a mystical land, and so there was a community. 305 00:15:16.159 --> 00:15:19.320 Seven communities left from there and then they each went 306 00:15:19.360 --> 00:15:22.519 to different areas of the world, and so each of 307 00:15:22.600 --> 00:15:26.679 those communities made its own you know, town and village whatever, 308 00:15:27.080 --> 00:15:30.600 and then the dignitaries. It plays on the idea that 309 00:15:30.720 --> 00:15:33.759 like there's always going to be evil, so like once 310 00:15:33.799 --> 00:15:38.720 they leave that mystical land, like the evils are already there, right, 311 00:15:38.840 --> 00:15:42.440 So it's like the world was purified and then the 312 00:15:42.720 --> 00:15:47.039 communities left the mystical land and evil just appears right away, 313 00:15:47.080 --> 00:15:48.879 and you get to see like what is the progress 314 00:15:49.039 --> 00:15:51.720 of how long it took for evils to take over 315 00:15:51.799 --> 00:15:55.679 this village and make what was once harmonious homogeneous? Right, 316 00:15:55.720 --> 00:15:58.080 because they're controlled by a clock tower. So this whole 317 00:15:58.120 --> 00:16:00.320 idea is like there's this clock tower that can controls 318 00:16:00.360 --> 00:16:03.480 the entire village and the only people that don't abide 319 00:16:03.519 --> 00:16:06.600 to it are Priscilla, the main character, and then her 320 00:16:06.720 --> 00:16:08.480 friends and they just like hang out in the cherry 321 00:16:08.600 --> 00:16:12.639 orchard and just like live right, And so they wear 322 00:16:12.720 --> 00:16:15.720 these magical hats that cover their heads because everybody has 323 00:16:15.840 --> 00:16:18.879 ravens connected to their hair, which are controlled by the 324 00:16:19.039 --> 00:16:24.519 clock tower. Yeah, and so everybody's yeah, so but the 325 00:16:24.840 --> 00:16:26.960 friend group each has a hat that they put over 326 00:16:27.000 --> 00:16:28.879 their ravens. It's a magical hat. And then there's like 327 00:16:28.960 --> 00:16:32.320 one friend who's like super into that it's that there's 328 00:16:32.399 --> 00:16:35.320 this big conspiracy happening. These dignitaries are not good because 329 00:16:35.360 --> 00:16:37.639 his grandfather left him a book and so he's kind 330 00:16:37.679 --> 00:16:40.440 of like one of the like outsider friends. And then 331 00:16:40.879 --> 00:16:44.639 the main character's grandmother dies and she was a carrier 332 00:16:44.679 --> 00:16:46.759 of the wisdom of the past as well, and so 333 00:16:47.039 --> 00:16:51.120 Priscilla is given object that's been her family's oh since 334 00:16:51.159 --> 00:16:54.840 the beginning of time, and upon her grandmother's death, she 335 00:16:55.000 --> 00:16:57.559 has to return this object back to the mystical land. 336 00:16:57.960 --> 00:17:00.120 So she escapes out of the force field and he 337 00:17:00.200 --> 00:17:03.480 meets like a cast named chorus of you know, eccentric, 338 00:17:03.799 --> 00:17:09.359 circus vagabond steampunk characters along the way. And then yeah, 339 00:17:09.480 --> 00:17:14.559 my character is Frida. She is the eccentric sorceress. She's 340 00:17:14.640 --> 00:17:17.519 the eccentric like sorceress who lives on an island all 341 00:17:17.559 --> 00:17:21.759 by herself and she's like an astrologer that type of thing. Yeah, 342 00:17:21.799 --> 00:17:23.839 but then there's other characters that are like super fun, 343 00:17:23.880 --> 00:17:26.920 but she's like the most. People always love her the 344 00:17:27.000 --> 00:17:28.960 most because it's like my characters, I always put a 345 00:17:29.000 --> 00:17:34.839 lot of energy like what she was like, Yeah, g. 346 00:17:35.000 --> 00:17:37.279 No, Madam Brandon Interviews have anything I do actually, so 347 00:17:37.359 --> 00:17:40.839 sorry Nick, Yeah, I do actually have a question. 348 00:17:41.119 --> 00:17:43.839 It's it kind of builds on Nick's question about the book. 349 00:17:43.880 --> 00:17:46.200 But because of the kind of Buddhists you are, because 350 00:17:46.200 --> 00:17:49.960 I'm a Vadriiana Buddhist, so for me, I can understand, 351 00:17:50.000 --> 00:17:52.039 like I understand with like the beija, you have a 352 00:17:52.079 --> 00:17:55.839 cidem script. The word is the deity for us as well, 353 00:17:55.920 --> 00:17:58.119 but we just we also have the deity, but it's 354 00:17:58.160 --> 00:18:00.839 also the madola, so we just use that as the 355 00:18:01.279 --> 00:18:04.799 sort of the husk representation of the you know, deeper meaning. 356 00:18:05.319 --> 00:18:08.279 So I get what you're doing. It's like the visualization 357 00:18:08.400 --> 00:18:10.759 of the word really or the veneration of the words. 358 00:18:10.759 --> 00:18:13.039 So do you think that actually improves your ability in 359 00:18:13.160 --> 00:18:16.519 writing and like also storytelling. Sorry, I know I was 360 00:18:16.519 --> 00:18:19.039 a little meandering, but I feel like it might strengthen 361 00:18:19.559 --> 00:18:22.279 like your relationship with actual words and narrative. 362 00:18:23.559 --> 00:18:26.920 Yeah, definitely. Well, so the Buddhist practice I do is 363 00:18:27.000 --> 00:18:29.559 like we chant to the scroll, so the scroll has 364 00:18:29.640 --> 00:18:32.799 the meo symbol, and we focus on the Meo symbol. 365 00:18:32.920 --> 00:18:35.440 So when we focus on the meosymbol, we're actually kind 366 00:18:35.480 --> 00:18:37.559 of like well, personally, like my experience, and I think 367 00:18:37.559 --> 00:18:39.759 other people do. It's like you do enter into this 368 00:18:39.920 --> 00:18:42.920 other sort of realm, right, And so I think when 369 00:18:42.960 --> 00:18:46.480 it came to just focusing on that, I wasn't looking 370 00:18:46.559 --> 00:18:48.960 for anything, and so I would say, like, yes, it 371 00:18:49.039 --> 00:18:52.480 does help my writing because like as a writer, I 372 00:18:52.559 --> 00:18:54.640 know this sounds crazy, but like I don't necessarily believe 373 00:18:54.720 --> 00:18:57.759 in writer's block, right, I think like there's a time 374 00:18:58.000 --> 00:19:01.279 for things to flow. And I think that when it 375 00:19:01.359 --> 00:19:04.480 came to the process of writing, You're absolutely right that 376 00:19:05.680 --> 00:19:09.480 the Buddhist practice, like my practice, actually helped just keep 377 00:19:09.559 --> 00:19:12.799 me open right to receive that information, because what would 378 00:19:12.799 --> 00:19:14.160 happen is I would just write it all in my 379 00:19:14.279 --> 00:19:17.000 notebook and I would go home and then I would 380 00:19:17.039 --> 00:19:19.400 write it all on the computer. Does that answer your question? 381 00:19:20.559 --> 00:19:23.720 Yeah, absolutely. I'm sorry to articulate it that well, but 382 00:19:23.839 --> 00:19:26.400 I think that is exactly what I was trying to 383 00:19:26.480 --> 00:19:29.200 get to, Like the like you're going to primordial ground. 384 00:19:29.279 --> 00:19:31.640 I understood. We would call that riga for us. So 385 00:19:32.079 --> 00:19:34.440 I completely get that, or the fifth consciousness, that kind 386 00:19:34.440 --> 00:19:38.640 of a kashik, you know, not abiding as they would say. 387 00:19:39.039 --> 00:19:39.839 So I get it. 388 00:19:39.960 --> 00:19:42.559 I do understand what you're talking about. And I agree, 389 00:19:42.599 --> 00:19:45.359 and I think it makes you a much better receptor, 390 00:19:45.400 --> 00:19:49.680 as you said, or a vessel for piecing together sort 391 00:19:49.720 --> 00:19:53.200 of like the words that aren't maybe as empty as 392 00:19:53.240 --> 00:19:53.519 the mio. 393 00:19:53.640 --> 00:19:56.960 So mm hmm, yeah for sure. 394 00:19:58.680 --> 00:20:02.880 One thing I did want to ask, Uh, you got 395 00:20:02.920 --> 00:20:08.039 into astrology before you got into Buddhism. Correct, Well, my story. 396 00:20:07.799 --> 00:20:10.440 With astrology is actually my mom got me into. So 397 00:20:10.559 --> 00:20:13.880 my mom was like dabbling in astrology, so she had 398 00:20:13.880 --> 00:20:16.039 astrology books everywhere, and she had my chart done when 399 00:20:16.079 --> 00:20:20.599 I was younger. But I actually got into Buddhism committed 400 00:20:20.640 --> 00:20:24.119 to Buddhism first before I started studying astrology. So I 401 00:20:24.359 --> 00:20:27.319 became a Buddhist in twenty eleven, and then I became 402 00:20:27.559 --> 00:20:30.200 where I like really gave into my studies for astrology 403 00:20:30.240 --> 00:20:31.079 in twenty sixteen. 404 00:20:33.279 --> 00:20:35.160 Yeah. Well, I guess what I was getting at is 405 00:20:36.440 --> 00:20:38.839 did astrology happen to change like the way that maybe 406 00:20:38.880 --> 00:20:42.359 you might have looked at Did astrology change, you know, 407 00:20:42.559 --> 00:20:45.039 from being getting into Buddhism. Did you happen to change 408 00:20:45.079 --> 00:20:48.039 like astrology at all? Because there's been some times that 409 00:20:48.200 --> 00:20:50.920 Jin I noticed Jin has looked at this stuff differently 410 00:20:51.000 --> 00:20:53.960 than most people because what he's into in astrology. I 411 00:20:54.079 --> 00:20:55.279 was just wondering if what happens with you? 412 00:20:56.440 --> 00:20:59.640 Yeah, definitely, So I would say, you know, one thing 413 00:20:59.720 --> 00:21:03.279 that is interesting is like my relationship to Taro and astrology, 414 00:21:03.839 --> 00:21:06.519 is there not religious practice for me? Like I am 415 00:21:06.599 --> 00:21:09.279 a Buddhist that is like my religion first and foremost, 416 00:21:09.759 --> 00:21:16.640 and what I as far as like astrology and like 417 00:21:16.799 --> 00:21:20.839 how my Buddhist practice and like I would say, like 418 00:21:20.960 --> 00:21:23.839 in Buddhism, there are the ten worlds, right, So like 419 00:21:24.079 --> 00:21:26.920 when I think of like the stars and the planets, 420 00:21:28.519 --> 00:21:31.880 I do I do wonder, like I don't even know 421 00:21:31.960 --> 00:21:33.960 if this is a thing, but I do wonder if 422 00:21:34.039 --> 00:21:36.880 that's like what the body soatvas are you know, like yes, 423 00:21:36.920 --> 00:21:39.400 they are also like the incarnations on earth. But I 424 00:21:39.480 --> 00:21:41.960 also think, like to play around with the idea that 425 00:21:42.119 --> 00:21:45.000 like these stars are intelligences, right, And so part of 426 00:21:45.039 --> 00:21:47.079 the thing that I love to do is actually just 427 00:21:47.200 --> 00:21:49.559 stare at a specific star and bring my lyre and 428 00:21:49.680 --> 00:21:51.759 just like play my lyre and connect with the energy 429 00:21:51.799 --> 00:21:55.559 of that star. But I do I do think in 430 00:21:55.720 --> 00:21:58.799 wonder if and this is something I'm going to explore 431 00:21:58.880 --> 00:22:02.559 with more, is like this idea of the different stars 432 00:22:02.599 --> 00:22:07.680 because actually the one of the stars. Kashyappa was one 433 00:22:07.759 --> 00:22:11.680 of the followers of Shaki Munu Buddha, and Kashyappa is 434 00:22:11.759 --> 00:22:14.160 one of the stars in the sky right, It's the 435 00:22:14.279 --> 00:22:18.279 one in Cassiopeia. And I'm not the biggest fan of 436 00:22:18.400 --> 00:22:21.079 like the mythology of Cassiopeia, so I kind of just 437 00:22:21.200 --> 00:22:23.720 call it Kashyapa to begin with, because I actually like 438 00:22:24.240 --> 00:22:27.960 the idea that there is like a Buddhist constellation in 439 00:22:28.119 --> 00:22:32.400 the sky, so I think there is more to explore 440 00:22:32.480 --> 00:22:35.960 with that. But I would say, yeah, my relationship to 441 00:22:36.039 --> 00:22:39.519 Buddhism and astrology, it probably makes my experience with astrology 442 00:22:39.519 --> 00:22:41.799 a little bit different because I'm approaching it from like 443 00:22:41.880 --> 00:22:44.599 more of like a scientific point of view, like I 444 00:22:44.640 --> 00:22:46.839 do think. I mean, astrology is a science, it's a 445 00:22:47.319 --> 00:22:49.400 it's been a science, but it has like a spiritual, 446 00:22:49.720 --> 00:22:52.960 psychic element to it, like you. And that's why I think, 447 00:22:53.039 --> 00:22:55.039 like AI is a funny thing to think about taking 448 00:22:55.079 --> 00:22:57.839 over astrology, because it's like you need to have that 449 00:22:58.000 --> 00:23:00.720 psychic connection of human to human and to be able 450 00:23:00.799 --> 00:23:03.960 to read what that person is going through and who 451 00:23:04.039 --> 00:23:06.640 they are and how that sits in their life. So 452 00:23:07.759 --> 00:23:09.759 so yeah, I don't know if the answers your question. 453 00:23:11.160 --> 00:23:13.440 I think that was great personally, I think that was 454 00:23:13.519 --> 00:23:15.880 a really good answer. It shows that I'm not like 455 00:23:16.000 --> 00:23:18.279 I don't just you know, say anything. 456 00:23:18.359 --> 00:23:22.119 That's why another reason what it is to yeah, you know, because. 457 00:23:21.880 --> 00:23:23.720 It shows that you have a flexible you have a 458 00:23:23.839 --> 00:23:27.640 flexible worldview, because you understand that we live in a multiverse, 459 00:23:28.119 --> 00:23:31.240 that the stars, perhaps especially in the East Asian and 460 00:23:31.279 --> 00:23:34.319 the Tontrich cosmology, the stars are perhaps more important than 461 00:23:34.359 --> 00:23:37.160 even the planets themselves, and that there is a karmic 462 00:23:37.279 --> 00:23:40.160 relationship to all the things you're doing, including giving the reading. 463 00:23:40.880 --> 00:23:45.319 So this is a big thing that I think. I mean, 464 00:23:45.359 --> 00:23:47.279 I'm not casting ex versions on anyone, but I just 465 00:23:47.359 --> 00:23:50.359 think that, like what Kiva Rose is saying is fundamentally 466 00:23:50.920 --> 00:23:54.079 the way I would approach ase strology as well, like flexible, 467 00:23:55.319 --> 00:23:58.880 able to incorporate different frameworks. I prefer the Vedic system 468 00:23:59.000 --> 00:24:02.039 or I prefer them system myself. That's just me personally, 469 00:24:02.599 --> 00:24:05.640 but I can accept that other people prefer seven luminaries. 470 00:24:06.000 --> 00:24:07.599 I just also know that, as she. 471 00:24:07.680 --> 00:24:11.240 Said, like it's a ten world system. So you know, 472 00:24:11.480 --> 00:24:13.559 like maybe we maybe we live in the seven world 473 00:24:13.640 --> 00:24:16.160 system or the seven star system. Maybe but the next 474 00:24:16.240 --> 00:24:19.039 world over and maybe that's eight Star System. So there's 475 00:24:19.160 --> 00:24:22.799 there's there is a karmic accounting, a karmic relationship between 476 00:24:22.839 --> 00:24:25.440 all the worlds, and so there you have to be 477 00:24:25.559 --> 00:24:28.279 able to be broad minded, I think is the I 478 00:24:28.319 --> 00:24:30.799 think is the takeaway from dharma. I think that for me, 479 00:24:31.000 --> 00:24:32.480 I don't want to speak for anyone, but I think 480 00:24:32.519 --> 00:24:33.279 that's a great answer. 481 00:24:34.559 --> 00:24:37.680 Yeah, I think we're respecting everybody's like individual experience, right, 482 00:24:37.759 --> 00:24:41.359 And that's where it's like when people ask me where 483 00:24:41.440 --> 00:24:45.000 they should begin, right, it's like, well, I don't know. 484 00:24:45.160 --> 00:24:48.119 I began like taking psychedelics, so I don't know, you know, 485 00:24:48.160 --> 00:24:50.319 And that's like I broke away from the system a 486 00:24:50.400 --> 00:24:52.240 long time ago, and my journey ended a long time 487 00:24:52.559 --> 00:24:54.759 started a long time ago. And so I think it's 488 00:24:54.960 --> 00:24:57.400 you have to respect everybody's life purpose. And that's where 489 00:24:57.480 --> 00:25:02.599 people listening to their own God, right, like listen, be quiet, 490 00:25:02.799 --> 00:25:05.400 sit in silence, do something that allows you to hear 491 00:25:05.480 --> 00:25:07.799 that voice that is quiet or maybe it's not quiet. 492 00:25:07.839 --> 00:25:10.480 Mine's not so quiet, but listen. Because we each have 493 00:25:10.599 --> 00:25:12.920 everything is guiding us, everything is taking us to the 494 00:25:13.000 --> 00:25:16.319 next level, which is why I think it's interesting how 495 00:25:17.240 --> 00:25:20.680 like when you look at your individual path, you don't 496 00:25:20.680 --> 00:25:24.079 necessarily need to belong to like a school right where 497 00:25:24.160 --> 00:25:27.799 they teach you ABCD on how to be spiritual or 498 00:25:28.200 --> 00:25:31.079 anything or whatever. Right, Like, you will have your own 499 00:25:31.200 --> 00:25:33.880 experience and it will be perfect for you and it 500 00:25:33.920 --> 00:25:36.039 will give you everything that is meant for you because 501 00:25:36.039 --> 00:25:39.319 it's your karma experience, right, And so we all have 502 00:25:39.480 --> 00:25:41.640 something we're here to learn, and we all have different 503 00:25:41.960 --> 00:25:43.440 relationships to different things. 504 00:25:43.559 --> 00:25:49.079 So yeah, yeah, definitely. And it's funny because, like I mentioned, 505 00:25:49.119 --> 00:25:51.119 I was watching a video on astrology just before this, 506 00:25:51.400 --> 00:25:55.200 and it was a guy basically making who was trying 507 00:25:55.240 --> 00:25:59.279 to match like some philosophical things with some of Young's work, 508 00:25:59.359 --> 00:26:01.160 and a guy named white Head and whatever, like just 509 00:26:01.319 --> 00:26:04.519 trying to mash everything, trying to explain how astrology could 510 00:26:04.599 --> 00:26:08.880 work and how it can work. Because again, things happen 511 00:26:09.119 --> 00:26:13.920 in multi dimensional aspects. So you can take astrology as 512 00:26:14.000 --> 00:26:16.680 for let's say, divination practice, or you can take astrology 513 00:26:16.799 --> 00:26:20.039 as marketing, Like marketing uses a strology they have to 514 00:26:20.079 --> 00:26:23.319 help arketize and can use it to understand a company 515 00:26:23.440 --> 00:26:25.720 and see how you can better sell stuff because people 516 00:26:25.759 --> 00:26:27.720 are going to be more or less at tuned to 517 00:26:27.759 --> 00:26:30.000 an archetype and what on. And again you can just 518 00:26:30.039 --> 00:26:32.640 take the system off, let's say, dividing things into elements, 519 00:26:32.839 --> 00:26:35.119 into the four elements, and then again you can get 520 00:26:35.519 --> 00:26:38.079 those elements and apply to your life, like how can 521 00:26:38.160 --> 00:26:41.920 I improve my social relationships let's sake, and then that's 522 00:26:41.920 --> 00:26:43.680 going to be let's say more water element, or how 523 00:26:43.759 --> 00:26:46.039 can I improve my will? Or fire element and so on. 524 00:26:46.480 --> 00:26:48.799 So again it's just a system, and you can see 525 00:26:48.839 --> 00:26:51.440 it from many different aspects. You can try to see 526 00:26:51.559 --> 00:26:55.559 the physical component of it. Let's say, oh, if do 527 00:26:55.920 --> 00:26:59.880 planets really radiate something, and then that also affects us 528 00:27:00.119 --> 00:27:03.759 or is a more thing from time, just like time 529 00:27:03.799 --> 00:27:07.519 a cyclical and fertalized. So we kind of by looking 530 00:27:07.599 --> 00:27:09.720 at what's happening there, we can understand what's happening here 531 00:27:09.759 --> 00:27:11.680 and san So there are many ways you can understand this. 532 00:27:12.400 --> 00:27:14.599 And the important thing is, like General's talking about, just 533 00:27:14.720 --> 00:27:17.359 being able to see that from any different aspects and 534 00:27:17.440 --> 00:27:20.799 getting like we're saying, for you, what makes more sense, 535 00:27:20.960 --> 00:27:24.200 what happens, what works best for you is than what 536 00:27:24.279 --> 00:27:28.200 it can synthesize, right, because otherwise you just just create 537 00:27:28.240 --> 00:27:30.599 a bunch of preconceptions and you cannot work with anything right, 538 00:27:30.720 --> 00:27:32.640 Like a lot of people, especially in the West two 539 00:27:32.839 --> 00:27:36.000 left bringed and then they can just look at like 540 00:27:36.359 --> 00:27:40.279 logic and number and whatever what they think is and 541 00:27:40.400 --> 00:27:43.000 they just get stuck on that. So it's very nice, 542 00:27:43.039 --> 00:27:47.640 and I guess yes, psychadetics literally will open more of 543 00:27:47.720 --> 00:27:50.160 the other brains. But also, like you were talking about 544 00:27:50.240 --> 00:27:54.039 working with Buddhism and Swan, so that's pretty nice. Yeah. 545 00:27:54.119 --> 00:27:57.920 So what's interesting, Yeah, what's interesting what you're bringing up 546 00:27:58.079 --> 00:28:01.079 is there are different types of astrology. So there is 547 00:28:01.160 --> 00:28:04.759 electional astrology, so marketers, you know, people that plan things. 548 00:28:04.839 --> 00:28:08.000 Electional astrology is essentially kind of why I said to 549 00:28:08.039 --> 00:28:09.519 you Nick, like this would be a good time to 550 00:28:09.599 --> 00:28:13.440 do in astrology reading because we had the ascendant was Gemini, 551 00:28:13.680 --> 00:28:16.000 and Mercury is the ruler of Gemini, and Mercury is 552 00:28:16.000 --> 00:28:19.920 at the MC which is in the southernmost the southernmost 553 00:28:19.960 --> 00:28:22.720 place of this well it's on the meridian, so it's 554 00:28:22.799 --> 00:28:25.119 in the southern sky, on the highest place of the 555 00:28:25.200 --> 00:28:29.039 ecliptic essentially, and so because of that, it means that 556 00:28:29.200 --> 00:28:32.599 Mercury's influence on our conversation is really good, and Mercury 557 00:28:32.720 --> 00:28:37.839 does rule communication and exchanging of information, and so astrology 558 00:28:38.039 --> 00:28:40.640 is one of those things where it works because they 559 00:28:40.680 --> 00:28:44.519 are big giant energy balls, right, So these are giant 560 00:28:44.640 --> 00:28:47.000 balls of energy in the sky, and like that's where 561 00:28:47.279 --> 00:28:50.400 I think my experience with stones really helped me understand 562 00:28:50.480 --> 00:28:54.359 and made it easy for me to understand astrology because 563 00:28:54.519 --> 00:28:57.079 these giant energies that are in the sky as they 564 00:28:57.240 --> 00:29:00.559 move and have an aspectual relationship to you. They look 565 00:29:00.599 --> 00:29:03.480 at our Earth from a specific angle, and they look 566 00:29:03.559 --> 00:29:06.920 at the other planets from a specific angle. That's an experience. 567 00:29:07.119 --> 00:29:08.759 Just like if you're going to set up your office 568 00:29:08.759 --> 00:29:10.839 and you want to have a good communication, you're going 569 00:29:10.880 --> 00:29:13.440 to do one hundred and twenty degrees between each of 570 00:29:13.480 --> 00:29:15.839 the people because if you do one hundred and twenty degrees, 571 00:29:15.880 --> 00:29:18.599 the energy flows, because it's a trine where if you 572 00:29:18.720 --> 00:29:21.519 want to have a very you know, confrontational experience, right, 573 00:29:21.559 --> 00:29:23.160 you're going to go one hundred and eighty degrees a 574 00:29:23.200 --> 00:29:25.640 person sits right across from you, or you go ninety degrees. 575 00:29:26.079 --> 00:29:29.920 So the fact that you know astrology is an actual 576 00:29:30.319 --> 00:29:33.480 lived experience and you can't not experience it. You know, 577 00:29:33.920 --> 00:29:36.519 we have if astrology is easy to understand, because if 578 00:29:36.519 --> 00:29:39.559 you believe in the seasons, right, if you believe in 579 00:29:39.640 --> 00:29:43.240 day and night, you kind of have to believe in astrology, right. 580 00:29:43.519 --> 00:29:46.960 The sun is the life giver. The sun is the 581 00:29:47.240 --> 00:29:50.680 life giver. Therefore we're experiencing the heat of the sun. 582 00:29:51.160 --> 00:29:55.319 It's giving us life, right, And so it's not hard 583 00:29:55.599 --> 00:29:58.039 to not it's not hard to believe in an astrology 584 00:29:58.400 --> 00:30:00.920 because we actually get to experience and said day and night, 585 00:30:01.240 --> 00:30:05.200 the seasons. So so yeah, that's something interesting. And then yeah, 586 00:30:05.200 --> 00:30:08.079 there's different types of astrology, so like electional astrology, you 587 00:30:08.160 --> 00:30:12.319 know people use that. Uh, there's horrory astrology which is 588 00:30:12.359 --> 00:30:14.440 really good as well, which is essentially like a divination 589 00:30:14.599 --> 00:30:18.319 type of astrology. Brandon and I had an experience where 590 00:30:19.720 --> 00:30:22.039 we lost the key to our house and when we 591 00:30:22.079 --> 00:30:24.319 were on our trip and we lost the key, and 592 00:30:24.400 --> 00:30:24.799 I was like. 593 00:30:27.000 --> 00:30:28.039 I did and I found it. 594 00:30:28.240 --> 00:30:31.960 It was so amazingly, it was like nobody remembers that 595 00:30:32.160 --> 00:30:34.880 Brandon had the key. I swear I had the key. 596 00:30:34.960 --> 00:30:36.680 I swear I lost it. And then I did an 597 00:30:37.400 --> 00:30:40.240 horrory and I was like, Brandon, you have the key. 598 00:30:40.440 --> 00:30:42.880 It's in here. It's like in a pocket, it's somewhere 599 00:30:42.960 --> 00:30:46.920 warm between two things, and he's like no, no, no, no, no, 600 00:30:48.960 --> 00:30:53.079 he was, he was, And then I found the key 601 00:30:53.160 --> 00:30:55.279 in his breast pocket, so it was like in this 602 00:30:55.519 --> 00:30:59.720 tucked warm area. So you know, you have these experiences 603 00:30:59.799 --> 00:31:02.720 with astrology, and I'm not even like a person. I 604 00:31:02.839 --> 00:31:04.480 never want to be a person that's like, yeah, you 605 00:31:04.480 --> 00:31:07.119 should believe astrology because honestly, I don't care, like it 606 00:31:07.160 --> 00:31:09.640 doesn't actually affect my life whether or not somebody believes 607 00:31:09.640 --> 00:31:13.720 in anything that I do. But astrology does work, and 608 00:31:13.799 --> 00:31:17.319 you can, like when I do readings for people, you know, 609 00:31:17.359 --> 00:31:19.839 I'll say like, Okay, in six months, you know your 610 00:31:19.920 --> 00:31:22.519 relationship with your daughter is going to change. You know, 611 00:31:22.680 --> 00:31:24.599 right now your daughter is going through dot dot dot. 612 00:31:25.079 --> 00:31:27.640 And sure enough, like six months later, I'll get a 613 00:31:27.759 --> 00:31:29.799 call from that client and they'll be like, oh my god, 614 00:31:29.880 --> 00:31:32.559 how did you You're right my daughter and my relationship 615 00:31:32.599 --> 00:31:38.880 has changed. So astrology is very powerful. You can't not 616 00:31:39.200 --> 00:31:41.839 experience it because we always experience it. But you can 617 00:31:42.720 --> 00:31:45.680 better equip yourself by knowing what's going to happen. And 618 00:31:45.759 --> 00:31:49.559 that's when I think the beauty of astrology as a practice. 619 00:31:50.079 --> 00:31:51.960 It allows you to equip yourself so that you can 620 00:31:52.039 --> 00:31:53.480 prepare for what is to come. 621 00:31:56.519 --> 00:32:00.319 Do you you prescribe to like suderio or tropical whichever, Like, 622 00:32:00.599 --> 00:32:02.880 do you use both or do you prefer I. 623 00:32:02.960 --> 00:32:06.839 Do tropical astrology? Okay, hmm, yeah, so that's where I 624 00:32:07.079 --> 00:32:11.960 started serial astrology people. You know, it's like like some 625 00:32:12.680 --> 00:32:17.200 Western astrologers do use cedeial, but it's mainly main astrologers. 626 00:32:18.680 --> 00:32:20.319 I don't want to say. I mean not that I'm 627 00:32:20.319 --> 00:32:22.519 really I'm not trying to knock either one, but like 628 00:32:23.480 --> 00:32:25.680 if one is more specific of the actual size of 629 00:32:25.720 --> 00:32:27.720 the zodiac, I don't understand why people don't use that. 630 00:32:29.359 --> 00:32:32.599 So the ceial is actually exactly the size of the zodiac, correct, 631 00:32:32.640 --> 00:32:34.559 I mean the zodiacs that don't take up that much room, 632 00:32:34.559 --> 00:32:35.680 but yet we attribute it to them. 633 00:32:36.880 --> 00:32:39.720 So the matereial is based on the stars, so it 634 00:32:39.920 --> 00:32:43.680 changes the it changes the signs ever so slightly. 635 00:32:44.880 --> 00:32:47.480 Yeah, somebody have a totally different birth chart if you use. 636 00:32:48.880 --> 00:32:54.559 Yeah, because we consider procession. So in tropical astrology, actually 637 00:32:54.880 --> 00:32:59.839 a star will move every seventy years, so if and so. Yeah, 638 00:32:59.880 --> 00:33:02.559 so that's what's a cute accounted in tropical strology. 639 00:33:02.599 --> 00:33:04.160 It's either one of them are I'm totally point on 640 00:33:04.480 --> 00:33:05.200 if you look at it. 641 00:33:07.279 --> 00:33:09.119 I mean, if you think about it, it's the same 642 00:33:09.160 --> 00:33:11.839 way you have different cabalas, right, you have different trees. 643 00:33:12.359 --> 00:33:16.400 It's just like one prefer is looking at one particular 644 00:33:16.519 --> 00:33:19.160 thing more than the other, and like different systems, even 645 00:33:19.200 --> 00:33:21.680 the in nostrology are going to have like different house systems. 646 00:33:22.000 --> 00:33:24.960 So again it can divide things with whole signs or 647 00:33:25.119 --> 00:33:27.119 like different systems and so on, then that's going to 648 00:33:27.200 --> 00:33:30.839 change stuff. But if you look at so the thing is, 649 00:33:30.920 --> 00:33:34.480 if you work with that through the way's created, then 650 00:33:34.480 --> 00:33:37.160 it's going to work just as well as any other. 651 00:33:37.319 --> 00:33:39.319 So for example, if you work with the whole signs 652 00:33:39.359 --> 00:33:41.680 the way the guys who created the whole sigence intended 653 00:33:41.680 --> 00:33:43.640 it to be, it's gonna work just as well as 654 00:33:43.920 --> 00:33:47.319 if you used whatever placidors or whatever other systems. Right, 655 00:33:47.920 --> 00:33:49.599 So it's more so how you go about it. 656 00:33:50.680 --> 00:33:54.440 Yeah, you know, kind of whatever you prefer. No, I 657 00:33:54.559 --> 00:33:56.559 just I just know some people get crazy with touch. 658 00:33:56.680 --> 00:33:59.799 Yeah, well you can use either one. Either one are 659 00:34:00.000 --> 00:34:03.279 relevant and that's like the that's the beauty of astrology 660 00:34:03.440 --> 00:34:07.000 is like it does take that human connection to understand 661 00:34:07.160 --> 00:34:08.760 and read the chart, right, like you're going to come 662 00:34:08.800 --> 00:34:11.400 to me for a specific reason because of how I 663 00:34:11.519 --> 00:34:13.519 read things right, and you're going to get to me 664 00:34:13.679 --> 00:34:15.000 through the way that you need to get to you know. 665 00:34:15.079 --> 00:34:17.480 So it's like you're going to find what you need. 666 00:34:18.199 --> 00:34:20.039 And because your guardians are going to guide you. So 667 00:34:20.119 --> 00:34:22.679 if like somebody needs it's cdereal, they're going to find 668 00:34:22.719 --> 00:34:23.800 that person, you know what I mean. 669 00:34:25.239 --> 00:34:29.920 M I did have a quick followup if that's okay, Okay, 670 00:34:30.920 --> 00:34:34.239 give a rose Brand has everything he never said to 671 00:34:34.280 --> 00:34:36.079 you when you were talking about the crystals and how 672 00:34:36.079 --> 00:34:37.880 they understood the planets, Like, has he ever been like 673 00:34:38.039 --> 00:34:42.559 that's Cabala because that's what you describe, is that's Cabala. 674 00:34:44.199 --> 00:34:47.199 Yeah, he you know, we do talk about all this 675 00:34:47.239 --> 00:34:51.519 stuff a lot, and it's his experience is like, yeah, 676 00:34:51.559 --> 00:34:54.119 through the lens of Kabala and everything like that. I've 677 00:34:54.119 --> 00:34:58.880 actually never studied Kabala. It's never been in my it's 678 00:34:58.920 --> 00:35:03.199 never been on my path for whatever reason. So so yeah, 679 00:35:03.239 --> 00:35:03.400 we do. 680 00:35:03.760 --> 00:35:07.119 Yeah, Yeah, I just think it's interesting because you don't 681 00:35:07.199 --> 00:35:09.480 have to study Kabbala from what from the way you 682 00:35:09.559 --> 00:35:12.000 were describing it, because you actually have a fundamental say 683 00:35:12.239 --> 00:35:14.760 already you already get it, like you're already at the 684 00:35:15.599 --> 00:35:18.719 basis of what it is. So like, yes, and men 685 00:35:18.840 --> 00:35:23.039 do prefer It's interesting, men actually do prefer doing it more. 686 00:35:23.360 --> 00:35:25.719 I'm gonna use it. I'm using this as a joke. 687 00:35:25.760 --> 00:35:27.840 I'm not saying all people are in Kabala are autists, 688 00:35:27.960 --> 00:35:30.719 but there is a there's there's a there's an element, 689 00:35:30.920 --> 00:35:34.480 there's an element of a little tism. Okay, So yeah, 690 00:35:34.599 --> 00:35:37.679 men do tend to like doing it because we like 691 00:35:37.719 --> 00:35:42.159 building out the past. Yeah, and like really exploring the relationships, 692 00:35:42.239 --> 00:35:46.239 like in very like with extreme specificity, where women are 693 00:35:46.360 --> 00:35:49.679 naturally more sepharatic, so they are actually more able to 694 00:35:49.719 --> 00:35:52.760 travel through the pure concept of the supra, just like 695 00:35:52.840 --> 00:35:56.079 you were describing with the crystals, like really tuning into 696 00:35:56.159 --> 00:35:59.800 that energy. Some men can do that, but it's quite rare. 697 00:36:00.480 --> 00:36:03.480 It really is is quite rare. We really it comes 698 00:36:03.519 --> 00:36:05.719 a lot. We are much more mercurial in that way. 699 00:36:06.000 --> 00:36:08.400 We tend to be much more led by like that 700 00:36:08.599 --> 00:36:10.760 kind of hope what I'm gonna call hold like impulse, 701 00:36:10.840 --> 00:36:13.239 like that kind of like flash of lightning or flash 702 00:36:13.320 --> 00:36:16.480 of insight, and women tend to be much more like 703 00:36:16.639 --> 00:36:18.719 of the nature of light, like aring that talk like 704 00:36:18.960 --> 00:36:20.880 like the respondence of a diamond. 705 00:36:22.519 --> 00:36:26.400 Nice that makes sense? Yeah, no, I do. 706 00:36:26.679 --> 00:36:29.840 I completely agree with that. She Yeah, No, what's fascinating 707 00:36:29.960 --> 00:36:31.920 is and Gin. You and I kind of go back 708 00:36:31.960 --> 00:36:33.800 and forth because you're a really good sword with that. 709 00:36:34.000 --> 00:36:37.519 But I sometimes get a little stuck on the correspondences 710 00:36:37.599 --> 00:36:40.480 and on certain things like that in my mercurial way. 711 00:36:40.519 --> 00:36:43.960 And she's really good at bouncing me out, being all like, well, 712 00:36:44.039 --> 00:36:46.360 I don't think you need that, and I'm like, okay, 713 00:36:46.800 --> 00:36:49.320 because what she's saying is exactly like what I'm trying 714 00:36:49.360 --> 00:36:51.880 to get at, just for more of her feminine slash, 715 00:36:52.000 --> 00:36:52.920 like I will state. 716 00:36:53.079 --> 00:36:54.000 Her ability to. 717 00:36:55.480 --> 00:36:58.800 Uh do astrology is fascinating, And I do want to 718 00:36:58.840 --> 00:37:00.800 ask a question, and I think think everyone should know 719 00:37:00.920 --> 00:37:03.320 this and it's really important, especially in our day and age, 720 00:37:03.960 --> 00:37:08.639 is talk to us about your training in traditional astrology 721 00:37:08.800 --> 00:37:12.599 and why it is so different from pop astrology, which 722 00:37:12.679 --> 00:37:13.519 I find abhorrent. 723 00:37:15.239 --> 00:37:15.480 Yeah. 724 00:37:15.719 --> 00:37:20.719 So my training with astrology, traditional strology specifically began at 725 00:37:20.800 --> 00:37:24.519 School of Traditional Astrology. That's when I first studied horrory 726 00:37:24.559 --> 00:37:28.119 astrology and really got into understanding the pretty much the 727 00:37:28.239 --> 00:37:31.159 framework of traditional strology, which is astrology based on how 728 00:37:31.199 --> 00:37:34.400 the ancients practiced it, so it's like these traditions come 729 00:37:34.440 --> 00:37:38.800 from Hellenistic time period, through Medieval period, through Renaissance period, 730 00:37:38.960 --> 00:37:41.000 and then we get a lot a lot of the 731 00:37:41.079 --> 00:37:44.159 information has been translated just kind of recently. I think 732 00:37:44.199 --> 00:37:46.800 it's like in the you know, two thousands that a 733 00:37:46.920 --> 00:37:49.119 lot of texts have been translated. So it's been like 734 00:37:49.199 --> 00:37:53.079 this resurgence of traditional astrology. There was a time period 735 00:37:53.119 --> 00:37:55.880 where astrology was like illegal to practice or like it 736 00:37:55.960 --> 00:37:59.559 was very much frowned upon, and so astrology took a 737 00:37:59.679 --> 00:38:03.599 turn towards psychological astrology. So there is like a difference 738 00:38:03.599 --> 00:38:07.400 between psychological strology, which you know is interesting because it 739 00:38:07.400 --> 00:38:09.639 does allow you to understand like your psychology. I'm not 740 00:38:09.719 --> 00:38:15.400 really like that much into psychological strology, but I love 741 00:38:15.440 --> 00:38:19.199 traditional strlogy because you actually get like concrete things, right, 742 00:38:19.320 --> 00:38:21.920 So I can tell you about your children, I can 743 00:38:22.000 --> 00:38:25.480 tell you about your mother, your career, your pretty much 744 00:38:25.519 --> 00:38:28.280 everything in your life has a place. And then there's 745 00:38:28.440 --> 00:38:32.000 timing of everything as well, so like being able to 746 00:38:32.079 --> 00:38:35.079 predict when things might happen is also a thing. And 747 00:38:35.159 --> 00:38:37.000 also just the way that you kind of read a chart. 748 00:38:37.079 --> 00:38:40.239 You know, most people think they are their Sun's sign, 749 00:38:41.159 --> 00:38:43.639 because that's what you know the sun sign book and 750 00:38:44.039 --> 00:38:45.840 when you you know, so everybody used to think it 751 00:38:45.920 --> 00:38:47.840 was like you are the sun sign, but that's actually 752 00:38:48.000 --> 00:38:51.880 not true. That's like you know your son. The Sun 753 00:38:52.000 --> 00:38:54.320 is obviously the only star during the daytime, so it 754 00:38:54.400 --> 00:38:57.480 has a very prominent place in astrology because every planet 755 00:38:57.559 --> 00:38:59.960 has a synotic cycle based. 756 00:38:59.719 --> 00:39:00.480 On the Sun. 757 00:39:00.920 --> 00:39:05.360 So the Sun is very very powerful. However, so if 758 00:39:05.360 --> 00:39:08.400 you do you know, astrological magic, or you do anything 759 00:39:08.559 --> 00:39:11.679 like that or electional, actually in the astrology, you always 760 00:39:11.719 --> 00:39:14.800 need to look at the horizon because whatever is on 761 00:39:14.920 --> 00:39:18.199 the horizon, on the eastern horizon, coming up above the 762 00:39:18.199 --> 00:39:22.199 eastern horizon, that is permeating the Earth with that energy. 763 00:39:22.960 --> 00:39:26.199 So if you have Virgo on the horizon and not 764 00:39:26.400 --> 00:39:28.760 like the sun, isn't Virgo, you just for instance, Brandon 765 00:39:28.760 --> 00:39:31.079 has Virgo rising right, so it's like Virgo was on 766 00:39:31.159 --> 00:39:34.559 the horizon permeating the Earth without Virgo energy in Brandon, 767 00:39:34.599 --> 00:39:36.920 it's like ooh, ooh, I'm here, I'm here, I'm coming out. 768 00:39:37.320 --> 00:39:39.920 And so it's because of that energy that we are 769 00:39:40.039 --> 00:39:42.280 the rising sign. It's the helm of our ship, it's 770 00:39:42.320 --> 00:39:45.199 the guiding force in our life. And the interesting thing 771 00:39:45.239 --> 00:39:48.639 there is that we have the rising sign, and based 772 00:39:48.679 --> 00:39:50.760 on which rising sign you are, you're going to have 773 00:39:50.840 --> 00:39:52.519 a lord of your chart. You're gonna have a planet 774 00:39:52.559 --> 00:39:55.280 that rules your chart. So if you are a virgal rising, 775 00:39:55.679 --> 00:39:59.360 you're a Sun or daughter of Mercury, which means you're 776 00:39:59.360 --> 00:40:02.119 a very real person. You like to talk, you like 777 00:40:02.199 --> 00:40:04.880 to learn, you like to exchange information, you like to 778 00:40:04.960 --> 00:40:08.599 perfect things. Essentially, you could look at something and just 779 00:40:08.679 --> 00:40:10.800 know how to do it, because that's what mercury does. 780 00:40:11.159 --> 00:40:13.079 And then based on that you get to see, like 781 00:40:13.159 --> 00:40:16.239 where does mercury sit in your house? In your chart? 782 00:40:16.519 --> 00:40:19.880 So in the twelve houses, where is mercury? And whatever 783 00:40:19.960 --> 00:40:23.079 house mercury is in, lets us understand where do you 784 00:40:23.280 --> 00:40:25.559 put most of your energy or where should you? Right, 785 00:40:25.880 --> 00:40:27.400 I have a lot of clients and not a lot 786 00:40:27.400 --> 00:40:30.400 of clients, but I have clients right that sometimes the 787 00:40:30.480 --> 00:40:32.519 ruling planet is in the twelfth house, And like the 788 00:40:32.559 --> 00:40:35.199 first thing I say to them, never feel guilty for 789 00:40:35.320 --> 00:40:38.639 isolating yourself. It's clearly something that you are here to 790 00:40:38.760 --> 00:40:42.480 do for whatever reason, So don't feel guilty for doing that, 791 00:40:42.639 --> 00:40:45.440 because that's where the planet that rules your chart is. 792 00:40:46.079 --> 00:40:48.320 And they'll always be like thank you, you know, because 793 00:40:48.400 --> 00:40:50.840 we're meant to think that our whole life is about 794 00:40:50.880 --> 00:40:53.920 our tenth house, right, our career, our you know, the 795 00:40:53.960 --> 00:40:56.400 whole thing, right, But that's not true. Like I have 796 00:40:56.519 --> 00:40:58.400 the Sun in my tenth house and I have Jupiter 797 00:40:58.519 --> 00:40:59.960 up there, so like, yeah, my whole life is like 798 00:41:00.599 --> 00:41:03.960 I am a very career oriented person, you know, like 799 00:41:04.000 --> 00:41:08.280 I'm always not necessarily that's a whole other story. But yeah, 800 00:41:08.360 --> 00:41:12.440 so career is an interesting thing, right, It's like you do, 801 00:41:12.559 --> 00:41:14.960 I developed it, right, So it's like I'm not always 802 00:41:15.039 --> 00:41:17.599 like thinking like career career. It was like, I'm going 803 00:41:17.639 --> 00:41:20.679 to be my own career because I'm a Leo Rising, right, 804 00:41:20.800 --> 00:41:23.280 So I'm because I'm a Leo rising, the Sun rules 805 00:41:23.320 --> 00:41:27.039 my chart, and therefore the Sun and the tenth house 806 00:41:27.239 --> 00:41:30.159 ruling my chart says a lot about me, my trajectory. 807 00:41:30.519 --> 00:41:31.920 I have the son in gem and I ruling my 808 00:41:32.039 --> 00:41:35.280 chart in the tenth house. So so yeah, traditional strology 809 00:41:35.360 --> 00:41:38.000 has a lot of like death and it's all about 810 00:41:38.039 --> 00:41:41.360 the interactions of the planets. So if a planet, like 811 00:41:41.440 --> 00:41:44.800 I said, I have we have the angles. I don't 812 00:41:44.800 --> 00:41:47.000 want to confuse everybody. We have the angles of the chart, 813 00:41:47.039 --> 00:41:49.800 and those are really important. That's the first house, that's 814 00:41:49.920 --> 00:41:53.960 the MC, that's the tenth house, CUSP, that's the seventh house, 815 00:41:54.079 --> 00:41:57.760 and that's the fourth house. And what these are is 816 00:41:57.920 --> 00:42:01.199 we have the meridian, which I don't want to confuse everybody, 817 00:42:02.280 --> 00:42:05.280 but essentially there's places in the chart that are really important. 818 00:42:05.360 --> 00:42:08.159 And if you have planets there, those planets have a 819 00:42:08.199 --> 00:42:11.039 big weight in your life. So I have Jupiter on 820 00:42:11.119 --> 00:42:13.199 my MC, which means that Jupiter has a big hand 821 00:42:13.280 --> 00:42:16.920 in my chart. And if planets, you know, and then 822 00:42:16.960 --> 00:42:19.960 we have the molifics and the benefics and all those things. 823 00:42:20.000 --> 00:42:24.320 But traditional astrology is pretty powerful in the fact that 824 00:42:25.119 --> 00:42:27.920 it's I mean how the ancients did it. Like if 825 00:42:28.000 --> 00:42:30.679 you were a king or an emperor or a caliph 826 00:42:30.760 --> 00:42:34.480 in the past, you would have an astrologer. Astrologers would 827 00:42:34.480 --> 00:42:37.920 plan your entire life. Actually, in ancient times, astrologers were 828 00:42:38.000 --> 00:42:41.719 so important because they kept the calendars. We had a calendars, 829 00:42:41.760 --> 00:42:46.400 we had time because of astrologers and astronomers, and astronomers 830 00:42:46.400 --> 00:42:52.480 and astrologers weren't separate, you know. So yeah, so traditional 831 00:42:52.480 --> 00:42:56.239 astrology is pretty powerful. So yeah, pop astrology, which is 832 00:42:56.320 --> 00:42:59.000 like you are your son's sign. What's your moon sign? 833 00:42:59.719 --> 00:43:03.880 You know, your ascendant, right, Like, what's your ascendant? And 834 00:43:03.960 --> 00:43:07.400 then from that I'll understand who you are, what type 835 00:43:07.400 --> 00:43:09.599 of person you are. And then yeah, if you want 836 00:43:09.639 --> 00:43:12.440 to tell me the sun and the moon, that's cute. 837 00:43:16.679 --> 00:43:24.000 That stuff, like whatever. There's a lot more to Well, that's. 838 00:43:23.840 --> 00:43:26.679 Why people can discredit it so easily too, you know, 839 00:43:27.199 --> 00:43:31.360 because like if your son's sign is is like the 840 00:43:31.519 --> 00:43:35.119 ruler of your twelve house, you know, you're probably not 841 00:43:35.199 --> 00:43:37.320 going to identify with it as much as you're going 842 00:43:37.360 --> 00:43:40.920 to identify with the sign that rules your ascendant, right, 843 00:43:41.039 --> 00:43:44.239 So it's like, yeah, that's why it's easy for people 844 00:43:44.320 --> 00:43:47.000 discredit because they get their horoscope and they're like, I 845 00:43:47.159 --> 00:43:50.719 just never I just never felt it. Mm hmm. 846 00:43:52.119 --> 00:43:55.280 Conversion convert him? 847 00:43:57.159 --> 00:44:02.000 Sorry, I just want to say that if anyone is 848 00:44:02.000 --> 00:44:04.960 going to convert Nick into an astrology believer, I think it. 849 00:44:06.880 --> 00:44:10.639 Oh no, no, I am into it for sure. 850 00:44:10.920 --> 00:44:10.960 No. 851 00:44:11.079 --> 00:44:12.599 I just think there are a lot of people out 852 00:44:12.639 --> 00:44:14.920 there that talk a bunch of yeah. 853 00:44:14.760 --> 00:44:15.639 There are there are. 854 00:44:16.880 --> 00:44:20.360 Yeah, Well that's where like, honestly, you know, giving yourself 855 00:44:20.480 --> 00:44:23.119 time to study, I think it's like such a miss 856 00:44:23.320 --> 00:44:26.360 like an unfortunate thing that are like it's become so popular. 857 00:44:26.360 --> 00:44:27.960 I mean no, no, and it's great, it's great that 858 00:44:28.000 --> 00:44:30.360 it's become popular, but it's unfortunate because now you have 859 00:44:30.440 --> 00:44:33.239 people that literally you know, know a little bit, and 860 00:44:33.320 --> 00:44:35.719 they go on their platform and they start just like 861 00:44:35.840 --> 00:44:37.960 saying all these things and then they get like super 862 00:44:38.039 --> 00:44:41.559 apocalyptic and they're like the world is gonna end, Shit's 863 00:44:41.599 --> 00:44:44.360 gonna hit the fan, and they forget that, like everybody 864 00:44:44.480 --> 00:44:47.559 is having their own individual experience with these things happening 865 00:44:47.639 --> 00:44:50.239 in their chart in different areas, and if it's not 866 00:44:50.360 --> 00:44:53.159 happening on an angle in your chart, it might not 867 00:44:53.280 --> 00:44:55.000 be that important to you, you know. So it's like 868 00:44:55.719 --> 00:44:58.199 I always think everybody is just like an individual first 869 00:44:58.239 --> 00:44:58.880 and foremost. 870 00:45:00.679 --> 00:45:03.440 Yeah, yeah, exactly, And it's if you think about it, 871 00:45:03.599 --> 00:45:06.039 it's like that for more in most cases, like people 872 00:45:06.079 --> 00:45:08.239 don't read, don't want to study anything, and they want 873 00:45:08.280 --> 00:45:10.599 to have an opinion about it, like especially then especially 874 00:45:10.679 --> 00:45:15.960 on this kind of less let's say, let's easier to 875 00:45:16.079 --> 00:45:19.679 test things, so astrology, Like, I completely agree, if you 876 00:45:19.800 --> 00:45:22.599 read someone well you just like strip them naked. Basically, 877 00:45:22.760 --> 00:45:25.760 they can feel like even like like why how do 878 00:45:25.800 --> 00:45:29.360 you know this, you know, because it's so be supercise. 879 00:45:29.960 --> 00:45:31.800 But again, you need to study for this kind of stuff. 880 00:45:32.719 --> 00:45:34.280 That's not that that's straightforward. 881 00:45:35.000 --> 00:45:35.519 Mm hmmm. 882 00:45:36.719 --> 00:45:36.920 Yeah. 883 00:45:36.960 --> 00:45:39.599 And she's and the thing is she's continually studying, so 884 00:45:39.719 --> 00:45:42.079 she's reading all the old ancients in the traditions. And 885 00:45:42.159 --> 00:45:45.639 I find it A it's just brilliant and B it's 886 00:45:45.679 --> 00:45:48.239 one of those things that's really interesting to see how 887 00:45:48.880 --> 00:45:51.519 easy pop astrology is to take on and then want 888 00:45:51.559 --> 00:45:55.960 to teach, in comparison to something where learning charts and 889 00:45:56.039 --> 00:45:59.559 learning kind of what you've done, Kaiva is it takes 890 00:45:59.719 --> 00:46:02.320 a lot out of time and understanding not only science 891 00:46:02.360 --> 00:46:04.920 and symbols, but then being able to connect with somebody 892 00:46:05.000 --> 00:46:07.400 across from you at the table when you're doing your readings. 893 00:46:07.840 --> 00:46:10.000 I will state that I've been around so some of 894 00:46:10.039 --> 00:46:12.559 those readings when she's doing them, and not during it, 895 00:46:12.719 --> 00:46:15.079 but when people are walking away, I'll walk back up 896 00:46:15.440 --> 00:46:19.039 and these people are either just got done crying or 897 00:46:19.159 --> 00:46:21.800 their eyes are in shock and awe that this that 898 00:46:22.079 --> 00:46:25.039 like she reads them like a like a book, or 899 00:46:25.639 --> 00:46:28.880 people have come back to her like months later or 900 00:46:28.880 --> 00:46:30.760 a year later. But I'll like, remember when you told 901 00:46:30.800 --> 00:46:33.360 me this thing, I actually just started this business because 902 00:46:33.400 --> 00:46:36.000 of the reading you gave me. And so it's just 903 00:46:36.119 --> 00:46:38.559 so fascinating when you get somebody who knows what they're 904 00:46:38.559 --> 00:46:41.079 talking about, like you do that you can actually change 905 00:46:41.159 --> 00:46:43.920 somebody's life because you can read them so cleanly. 906 00:46:46.159 --> 00:46:48.159 And that's a good reason. An the other good point 907 00:46:48.280 --> 00:46:51.280 is like we affect people's lives, right. So it's like 908 00:46:51.719 --> 00:46:54.000 if you are going to do taro, if you are 909 00:46:54.079 --> 00:46:56.760 going to do astrology, if you're going to do any practice, 910 00:46:56.920 --> 00:47:00.480 like you're affecting their life. Like you're entering into somebody 911 00:47:00.559 --> 00:47:04.119 else's reality. And it's like you better you know, do 912 00:47:04.280 --> 00:47:06.880 good with that, right, Like make sure you're helping them 913 00:47:06.920 --> 00:47:09.880 in a positive way, leading them in the right direction. 914 00:47:10.639 --> 00:47:12.719 You know. You get all sorts of people who like 915 00:47:12.880 --> 00:47:15.719 have been told in their past that they were going 916 00:47:15.800 --> 00:47:19.719 to like be a rich widow. It's like I've had 917 00:47:19.800 --> 00:47:22.360 people who are like these older women and they're like, well, 918 00:47:22.519 --> 00:47:25.000 the last sech it told me that I was going 919 00:47:25.079 --> 00:47:27.400 to marry somebody they were going to die and I 920 00:47:27.559 --> 00:47:29.400 was going to inherit like a lot of money, And 921 00:47:29.480 --> 00:47:33.840 I was like nice, great, you know, like I don't know, 922 00:47:35.000 --> 00:47:37.599 I don't know, it sounds kind of like they wanted 923 00:47:37.639 --> 00:47:38.679 you to just pay them more. 924 00:47:39.519 --> 00:47:40.719 Yeah, m m. 925 00:47:41.400 --> 00:47:42.920 They're hoping there are coped of the bodies that they 926 00:47:42.920 --> 00:47:43.800 could keep scamming them. 927 00:47:45.559 --> 00:47:45.960 Exactly. 928 00:47:46.199 --> 00:47:46.760 That's exactly. 929 00:47:47.880 --> 00:47:51.719 Yeah, when you do, I didn't want to ask. I 930 00:47:51.760 --> 00:47:53.840 don't know. I don't think you mentioned it yet, but 931 00:47:54.000 --> 00:47:56.239 you do do. Uh, you do readings every other week, 932 00:47:56.239 --> 00:47:58.440 you said on the TV news local news. 933 00:47:58.719 --> 00:48:02.719 Yes, yeah, week. Yeah. 934 00:48:03.360 --> 00:48:03.559 Yes. 935 00:48:03.639 --> 00:48:06.239 So there's a morning show in the town I live 936 00:48:06.360 --> 00:48:08.519 and so the city I live, and so they invited 937 00:48:08.599 --> 00:48:12.320 me to do my own segment. So every two weeks 938 00:48:12.440 --> 00:48:14.880 I go on there and I talk about what's going 939 00:48:14.960 --> 00:48:17.480 to happen for the next two weeks in astrology. So 940 00:48:17.599 --> 00:48:18.400 that's been pretty fun. 941 00:48:19.159 --> 00:48:23.239 Yeah, okay, nice, nice? What kind of I guess, like 942 00:48:23.360 --> 00:48:25.119 I don't always say day, I mean like, what kind 943 00:48:25.159 --> 00:48:27.599 of stuff do you normally like talk about that you know, 944 00:48:27.679 --> 00:48:31.239 supposedly coming for the next two weeks? Yes, like like 945 00:48:31.480 --> 00:48:32.519 what kind of things did you mention? 946 00:48:33.880 --> 00:48:36.000 Yes, I look at the transits, I guess like that's 947 00:48:36.039 --> 00:48:37.800 a yeah, that's a good point. So the sky is 948 00:48:37.880 --> 00:48:41.760 like ever dynamically moving as we're spinning, right, So we're 949 00:48:41.840 --> 00:48:44.679 spinning and we see the sky and the planets are moving, 950 00:48:44.840 --> 00:48:48.039 and so there's all these different relationships that are happening 951 00:48:48.599 --> 00:48:51.599 between the planets and the luminaries, and based on those 952 00:48:51.719 --> 00:48:54.960 relationships and how they're looking at us on Earth, we 953 00:48:55.159 --> 00:48:58.960 experience something and so like if we have you know, 954 00:48:59.159 --> 00:49:03.320 like yesterday we had mercury square urinus, right, so we're 955 00:49:03.360 --> 00:49:06.719 experience this mercury square urinous energy here on Earth from 956 00:49:06.800 --> 00:49:09.639 what we're seeing that they're they're going through, and so 957 00:49:09.719 --> 00:49:12.840 we kind of get this like mental overwhelm, over stimulated, 958 00:49:13.239 --> 00:49:15.960 having too many you know, juggling too many balls at 959 00:49:16.000 --> 00:49:18.519 one time. It was kind of like that mercurial uranian 960 00:49:18.679 --> 00:49:22.000 energy in a negative sense. So I just I talk 961 00:49:22.039 --> 00:49:24.159 about like the new moon, the full moon, I talk 962 00:49:24.199 --> 00:49:26.880 about yeah, does all the different transits that are happening 963 00:49:27.000 --> 00:49:28.639 that for the next two weeks. 964 00:49:31.000 --> 00:49:34.199 Have you ever have you ever like had a reading 965 00:49:34.360 --> 00:49:38.440 or something like, especially for the news thing, where you like, 966 00:49:38.480 --> 00:49:40.199 I don't know, if this sounds too negative, maybe I 967 00:49:40.199 --> 00:49:41.880 should like kind of church this up or just not 968 00:49:42.000 --> 00:49:45.440 read it this way. You know what I'm getting out here? 969 00:49:45.440 --> 00:49:47.440 You're like, this doesn't sound too happy? 970 00:49:48.559 --> 00:49:51.320 Yeah, yeah, well, and also too like in the language 971 00:49:51.400 --> 00:49:55.199 that I speak, it's very not a lot of people 972 00:49:55.239 --> 00:49:57.639 are used to that sort of language, and so it's like, yeah, 973 00:49:57.679 --> 00:50:00.360 there can be some transits that are you know, like 974 00:50:00.559 --> 00:50:04.000 mars Urinus transits right, It's like an explosive energy, and 975 00:50:04.079 --> 00:50:05.559 like last time I was on there, I was like, yeah, 976 00:50:05.599 --> 00:50:07.960 it's gonna be like a very explosive day. And I 977 00:50:08.039 --> 00:50:11.000 was like, hmm, maybe I shouldn't Maybe I shouldn't have 978 00:50:11.039 --> 00:50:13.920 said that, you know, maybe that wasn't like the right 979 00:50:14.000 --> 00:50:16.519 thing to say, given like the context of everything happened. 980 00:50:16.760 --> 00:50:21.599 It's an explosive day and I ran against bomb. You're like, fuck, yeah, 981 00:50:23.239 --> 00:50:26.280 have you have you ever see this is interesting now 982 00:50:26.320 --> 00:50:28.280 because I didn't realize that when you did it, you 983 00:50:28.320 --> 00:50:29.960 did it for like the whole two weeks that thought 984 00:50:29.960 --> 00:50:32.440 maybe you just did that day was the ever times 985 00:50:32.480 --> 00:50:34.199 that you ever like kind of covered So like you 986 00:50:34.559 --> 00:50:37.239 said this like whatever you looked at it, you did, 987 00:50:37.280 --> 00:50:40.199 you did your job, and like you kind of actually 988 00:50:40.360 --> 00:50:43.679 saw like shit happened due to the way you thought 989 00:50:43.760 --> 00:50:46.159 the stars were even aligne, Like, have there have been 990 00:50:46.199 --> 00:50:47.599 times where you've done stuff and then like all of 991 00:50:47.639 --> 00:50:49.400 a sudden, this protests out in the street and all 992 00:50:49.440 --> 00:50:51.840 this fucking crazy shit and you're like, wow, I actually 993 00:50:51.920 --> 00:50:54.199 that kind of fit the stars. Have you ever seen 994 00:50:54.239 --> 00:50:54.599 that happen? 995 00:50:54.760 --> 00:50:57.800 Yeah, oh yeah many times because I've been doing so 996 00:50:57.880 --> 00:51:01.000 I do my daily uh well it's like a weekly report, 997 00:51:01.159 --> 00:51:03.519 like I'll break up the days and that's on Instagram 998 00:51:03.639 --> 00:51:06.800 and YouTube. But yeah, I've seen a lot of things, 999 00:51:06.840 --> 00:51:10.400 like because I started doing it before COVID and so 1000 00:51:10.840 --> 00:51:13.079 like to see all the stuff that happened in COVID 1001 00:51:13.159 --> 00:51:15.599 and then being like I did this report where like 1002 00:51:15.840 --> 00:51:17.679 I said something and I was like it was the 1003 00:51:17.760 --> 00:51:20.880 person behind everything, and then this Bill Gates thing happened, 1004 00:51:20.880 --> 00:51:23.159 and I was just like, you know, my whole like 1005 00:51:23.280 --> 00:51:25.360 I was, you know, because in the almost like okay, 1006 00:51:25.559 --> 00:51:28.440 like cover up, you know, like hide your and I'll 1007 00:51:28.480 --> 00:51:31.119 hide yourself. But you know, like there's things that when 1008 00:51:31.119 --> 00:51:33.119 you do it a week ahead of time and then 1009 00:51:33.199 --> 00:51:36.239 things happen, you you know, and then like when I'm 1010 00:51:36.280 --> 00:51:38.639 recording it, I'm like I have no idea like what 1011 00:51:38.920 --> 00:51:42.400 is going to happen, you know, and then things happen 1012 00:51:42.440 --> 00:51:44.679 and you're like, okay, that makes sense. But as you're 1013 00:51:44.679 --> 00:51:47.320 recording it, you're just like something, you know, this is 1014 00:51:47.360 --> 00:51:50.199 the energy and how it happens is how it's going 1015 00:51:50.239 --> 00:51:52.559 to happen. But yeah, I would say, like it's happened 1016 00:51:52.599 --> 00:51:54.800 a few times and people really enjoy them. You know, 1017 00:51:54.960 --> 00:51:57.599 people message me all the time and say how it's 1018 00:51:57.639 --> 00:51:59.840 helped their life. So yeah, it's good. 1019 00:52:01.440 --> 00:52:04.159 Nice. I was wondered about that day. We have any 1020 00:52:04.199 --> 00:52:09.039 other questions, Yeah, I do it definitely. 1021 00:52:09.280 --> 00:52:13.000 When you I think you should speak to something we 1022 00:52:13.119 --> 00:52:15.360 talk about all the time on how important it is 1023 00:52:15.519 --> 00:52:18.039 to put like so you do tarot readings as well, 1024 00:52:19.119 --> 00:52:21.039 and you were one of the people who I was 1025 00:52:21.079 --> 00:52:22.920 already kind of doing this, but you impressed upon me 1026 00:52:23.000 --> 00:52:26.360 how important it was to put down the books and 1027 00:52:26.559 --> 00:52:32.639 feel the cards and understand the symbolism and don't just 1028 00:52:32.719 --> 00:52:35.280 do because it seems like we find a lot when 1029 00:52:35.360 --> 00:52:37.280 you're traveling that you see a lot of people who 1030 00:52:37.320 --> 00:52:39.920 have just started reading tarot or doing these things and 1031 00:52:39.960 --> 00:52:43.719 they're actually doing a reading and looking at the little 1032 00:52:44.360 --> 00:52:47.719 fucking deck thing that's you know, that's telling them what 1033 00:52:47.840 --> 00:52:50.119 the card means. And I know you have a really 1034 00:52:50.199 --> 00:52:54.760 fascinating just whole like you know, you have an opinion 1035 00:52:54.800 --> 00:52:55.000 on that. 1036 00:52:56.360 --> 00:52:58.440 Yeah, well, I think that's where it comes to like 1037 00:52:58.519 --> 00:53:01.760 everybody's individual like sphere because I think it's so essential 1038 00:53:01.840 --> 00:53:06.239 to create your own framework. So my understanding of numbers, 1039 00:53:06.480 --> 00:53:09.960 symbols and everything is because I've studied, you know, gemstones, 1040 00:53:09.960 --> 00:53:14.440 I've studied a Western herbalism. I've studied Chinese medicine, aravatic, 1041 00:53:14.639 --> 00:53:17.519 I've studied yoga, I've studied Buddhism, and it's all these 1042 00:53:17.599 --> 00:53:20.519 things that like when you look at the through line, right, 1043 00:53:20.639 --> 00:53:23.360 so you see like the number three, like where does 1044 00:53:23.400 --> 00:53:26.760 that travel throughout all of things that you've read, That's 1045 00:53:26.800 --> 00:53:29.199 what your understanding of that number is. And then you 1046 00:53:29.320 --> 00:53:31.679 understand like all the different things. So I would say, 1047 00:53:31.679 --> 00:53:33.960 we all need our own codex, right, we all need 1048 00:53:34.039 --> 00:53:39.760 our own understanding of these symbols because it's you're you're 1049 00:53:39.840 --> 00:53:41.519 the one giving the reading, So you have to know 1050 00:53:41.639 --> 00:53:44.760 the depth and the expansion of that number to be 1051 00:53:44.800 --> 00:53:48.320 able to understand how it relates to somebody's experience. And 1052 00:53:48.440 --> 00:53:51.440 I think, like, yeah, I've never read a book per 1053 00:53:51.559 --> 00:53:54.559 se On like when it first got Taryll, like way 1054 00:53:54.639 --> 00:53:56.360 back when, right, like I had the book and my 1055 00:53:56.440 --> 00:53:58.280 sister and I would do readings. But actually my first 1056 00:53:58.360 --> 00:54:01.039 deck that I had was a fairy And what I 1057 00:54:01.079 --> 00:54:03.599 would do is I would take my cards to the forest, 1058 00:54:03.719 --> 00:54:05.639 and I would play music for the fairies, and I 1059 00:54:05.679 --> 00:54:07.960 would like walk the forest, and then I would like 1060 00:54:08.079 --> 00:54:10.599 pull the cards and I would like see what is 1061 00:54:10.679 --> 00:54:12.280 right in front of me, and how does that card 1062 00:54:12.360 --> 00:54:13.960 relate to that? And so I'd have sort of like 1063 00:54:14.039 --> 00:54:17.000 more of a dynamic experience of what that is. And 1064 00:54:17.119 --> 00:54:20.880 so my first experience with reading was just more based 1065 00:54:20.920 --> 00:54:23.119 on intuition and strengthening that part of my life. And 1066 00:54:23.159 --> 00:54:26.159 then when it came to Taro, I was already like 1067 00:54:26.239 --> 00:54:28.159 when I started to really give Tarot readings, I had 1068 00:54:28.159 --> 00:54:31.039 already studied a whole bunch of subjects and based on 1069 00:54:31.199 --> 00:54:34.920 how all those things represented or presented numbers and all 1070 00:54:34.960 --> 00:54:38.400 those things. Yeah, that's how I began to read Taro. 1071 00:54:39.039 --> 00:54:41.840 Yeah, and that's fascinating. It goes a bit with what 1072 00:54:42.039 --> 00:54:44.320 you was talking about. How if you already have the 1073 00:54:44.440 --> 00:54:48.079 perceptions like more tune or more the intuition, again, you 1074 00:54:48.119 --> 00:54:51.199 don't really need like descriptions and whatever because you just 1075 00:54:51.320 --> 00:54:53.800 know it just kept the inforvention and you know. And 1076 00:54:53.920 --> 00:54:56.760 then but if if you don't have something like that, 1077 00:54:56.920 --> 00:55:01.280 then the system, like some kind of like a book 1078 00:55:01.639 --> 00:55:03.519 will give you a system or whatever you can use cabala, 1079 00:55:03.559 --> 00:55:05.079 or you can use whatever the heck you want for 1080 00:55:05.280 --> 00:55:07.280 any specific not only tarrat. Like you talked about the 1081 00:55:07.360 --> 00:55:10.280 fairy deck I had once, like an angel deck whatever, 1082 00:55:10.920 --> 00:55:13.559 and you can create that to then organize it yourself, 1083 00:55:13.840 --> 00:55:16.800 like for example, connecting even astrology to terrats something you 1084 00:55:16.840 --> 00:55:19.079 can do. That's something I do with myself, and I 1085 00:55:19.280 --> 00:55:22.039 really it's very funny. For example, this week, I do 1086 00:55:22.199 --> 00:55:25.159 like daily readings for myself and I had three times 1087 00:55:25.199 --> 00:55:28.400 in a row, my rising sign appearing in the deck, 1088 00:55:28.440 --> 00:55:30.679 and I'm like, okay, let me put into that, let 1089 00:55:30.719 --> 00:55:32.480 me go read more about it, and so on. And 1090 00:55:32.679 --> 00:55:34.599 I wouldn't necessarily find this in a book, right or 1091 00:55:34.639 --> 00:55:37.599 if I just go by the the keyword description, it's 1092 00:55:37.679 --> 00:55:41.599 not as let's say, you're powerful. That being said, guys, 1093 00:55:41.840 --> 00:55:44.320 I sorry, I have to quit early. I have another 1094 00:55:44.559 --> 00:55:45.039 meeting here. 1095 00:55:45.199 --> 00:55:46.199 But it was very fun. 1096 00:55:46.400 --> 00:55:48.559 I'm definitely going to watch the rest of the live 1097 00:55:48.639 --> 00:55:51.000 stream after it's recorded. And a nice meet to you, 1098 00:55:51.280 --> 00:55:54.679 Kaiva and all of you guys, Nick Gen and Brendan. 1099 00:55:55.320 --> 00:56:01.960 Yeah, very much. I appreciate it. Yes, So I wanted 1100 00:56:01.960 --> 00:56:05.280 to ask you what do you use taro? Just asking 1101 00:56:05.440 --> 00:56:06.760 this is how I do it, I'd say this is 1102 00:56:06.800 --> 00:56:08.320 a right or road way. It's just easier for me. 1103 00:56:09.039 --> 00:56:11.400 I really wouldn't be I wouldn't be able to use 1104 00:56:11.440 --> 00:56:13.440 tarous at all if I did to attribute it to 1105 00:56:13.480 --> 00:56:17.079 the Kabalist tree of life out if you have you 1106 00:56:17.480 --> 00:56:19.159 heard of that technique at all? Do you use that 1107 00:56:19.239 --> 00:56:20.559 cell or attribute at all? 1108 00:56:21.800 --> 00:56:25.400 That's what Brandon does, like he when he talks about tarot, 1109 00:56:25.480 --> 00:56:28.079 he'll always put it to the Kabbala. But for me, 1110 00:56:28.239 --> 00:56:31.440 like I said, I I have never studied Kabbala, never studied. 1111 00:56:34.400 --> 00:56:37.679 I mainly just correlated with all the other things that 1112 00:56:37.760 --> 00:56:40.480 I have studied because I think in a way, right, 1113 00:56:40.559 --> 00:56:42.840 so we look at like these systems that have been 1114 00:56:42.920 --> 00:56:45.599 set up, it's always good to go back to like 1115 00:56:45.719 --> 00:56:47.559 how they were set up, why they were set up, 1116 00:56:47.679 --> 00:56:50.360 Like how did they get that system right? Like what 1117 00:56:50.599 --> 00:56:53.559 gave them this understanding of the tree of life? And 1118 00:56:54.000 --> 00:56:56.800 I think that's where, like I always think the individual 1119 00:56:56.880 --> 00:56:59.800 experience is so important, right, like can we do it our? 1120 00:57:00.400 --> 00:57:02.039 I know, I mean I don't know Cabalas, I don't know. 1121 00:57:02.159 --> 00:57:03.639 Like I'm not saying I can do it myself, and 1122 00:57:03.679 --> 00:57:07.000 I'm just saying like it's interesting, Yeah, you. 1123 00:57:07.079 --> 00:57:11.000 Have suffarotic experiences, even by accidents sometimes, so you are 1124 00:57:11.119 --> 00:57:15.000 actually actually excuse me, actually able to confirm that the 1125 00:57:15.119 --> 00:57:18.119 reality quote unquote of the tree. I know that we have, 1126 00:57:18.280 --> 00:57:21.400 like a Buddhists in general have like a different relationship 1127 00:57:21.440 --> 00:57:25.639 to the primordial reality. But you can confirm a specific 1128 00:57:25.760 --> 00:57:28.559 kind of reality illuminating sort of like the when the 1129 00:57:28.599 --> 00:57:31.440 tree lights up or across the abyss or whatever you 1130 00:57:31.519 --> 00:57:33.360 want to call it, or going to rigpow or diamond 1131 00:57:33.360 --> 00:57:36.280 thunder or whatever it is. Absolutely you can do kabala 1132 00:57:36.360 --> 00:57:38.280 for yourself. That is more how I approach it. And 1133 00:57:38.360 --> 00:57:41.199 that's also what Brandon was I think referring to in 1134 00:57:41.320 --> 00:57:44.679 that like I even though I have elements where I 1135 00:57:44.760 --> 00:57:47.280 am like Brandon, and I'm like, yes, the way the 1136 00:57:47.400 --> 00:57:49.880 terror only makes sense to me is true cabbala. But 1137 00:57:50.079 --> 00:57:52.800 I also see it as very dynamic, which is I 1138 00:57:52.880 --> 00:57:55.039 think again, to go back to what you were saying, 1139 00:57:55.400 --> 00:57:59.280 you see it as flexible. And I also don't affix 1140 00:57:59.400 --> 00:58:02.559 the taro to the past. It's always in Hebrew cabala. 1141 00:58:02.639 --> 00:58:04.880 This is a little different than Golden Dawn. But the 1142 00:58:05.480 --> 00:58:10.599 letters are always moving through. It's like constant dynamism. It's 1143 00:58:10.760 --> 00:58:14.400 never static. So this is sometimes where I have come 1144 00:58:14.440 --> 00:58:17.320 into conflict with Golden DWN people is that they believe 1145 00:58:17.360 --> 00:58:20.840 that the paths are fixed. But I'm always like, well, no, 1146 00:58:21.800 --> 00:58:25.199 they drop down. So once you start understanding the principle 1147 00:58:25.280 --> 00:58:30.440 of arising, obviously, youtie understand this as a Buddhist arising 1148 00:58:30.559 --> 00:58:33.800 and primordial ground, how things can rise and fall like 1149 00:58:33.880 --> 00:58:38.440 the breath the tree is just comes intuitively naturally and 1150 00:58:38.880 --> 00:58:42.480 in that sort of like pristine awareness. Sorry, I didn't 1151 00:58:42.480 --> 00:58:43.800 mean to go and rent, but I just I feel 1152 00:58:43.840 --> 00:58:48.199 like what you're saying is very relational to like what 1153 00:58:48.480 --> 00:58:49.119 Nick is asking. 1154 00:58:50.000 --> 00:58:51.480 Mm hmm, yeah. 1155 00:58:52.199 --> 00:58:53.199 What decks do you use? 1156 00:58:54.880 --> 00:58:58.320 I use a Gaelic mythology deck actually, And the reason 1157 00:58:58.360 --> 00:59:00.519 why I have this one is so I was writing 1158 00:59:00.599 --> 00:59:02.440 a lot about death on a white Horse, and so 1159 00:59:02.559 --> 00:59:05.280 I was actually I have this whole oh It's to 1160 00:59:05.440 --> 00:59:07.280 death book that I wrote. I was like back in 1161 00:59:07.400 --> 00:59:09.840 when I was like eighteen nineteen years old something like that, 1162 00:59:10.239 --> 00:59:12.199 and so I was writing a lot about this idea 1163 00:59:12.239 --> 00:59:15.519 of death and how not scary death is, and so 1164 00:59:15.639 --> 00:59:17.679 I was making it more like a playful death and 1165 00:59:17.800 --> 00:59:20.559 how all these things. And then I found this deck 1166 00:59:20.599 --> 00:59:22.159 that had death on a white Horse and then it 1167 00:59:22.199 --> 00:59:25.920 was a gifted to me after that. So yeah, and 1168 00:59:25.960 --> 00:59:28.239 so yeah, it's a really beautiful deck. It's a yeah 1169 00:59:28.239 --> 00:59:29.199 I Gaelic mythology. 1170 00:59:30.079 --> 00:59:32.599 Nice, it goes like the same way as regular taro. 1171 00:59:33.280 --> 00:59:35.519 Oh yeah, yeah yeah yeah yeah. 1172 00:59:36.480 --> 00:59:38.599 And how long have you been doing that? 1173 00:59:38.679 --> 00:59:38.880 Again? 1174 00:59:39.000 --> 00:59:40.239 And you probably mentioned it earlier. 1175 00:59:41.239 --> 00:59:44.199 Yeah, So I got into taro in two thousand and seven, 1176 00:59:44.480 --> 00:59:48.800 so when I was like eighteen, yeah, yeah, but my 1177 00:59:48.960 --> 00:59:52.280 first that was when I first got my first tarot deck. 1178 00:59:52.360 --> 00:59:54.840 But I was still using my faery deck at that 1179 00:59:54.960 --> 00:59:58.239 point because it was more tangible. Right, I could go 1180 00:59:58.280 --> 01:00:00.440 to the forest, i could connect with the ener, I 1181 01:00:00.480 --> 01:00:03.760 could do the whole thing, because Taro is a life 1182 01:00:04.119 --> 01:00:07.760 time of experience. I mean we are I'm constantly adjusting 1183 01:00:07.840 --> 01:00:11.079 my understanding of different things, and you know that's the 1184 01:00:11.119 --> 01:00:14.360 beauty of the path and realization. Right. Like there's like 1185 01:00:14.480 --> 01:00:17.719 the the ten worlds of Buddhahood or Buddhism, right, so 1186 01:00:17.800 --> 01:00:21.760 it's like you got the higher worlds which are learning, realization, 1187 01:00:22.320 --> 01:00:25.119 Bodhisatfa and Buddhahood, right, and so like I like to 1188 01:00:25.199 --> 01:00:28.840 think that like I'm I'm learning, but I'm realizing now, right, 1189 01:00:28.960 --> 01:00:31.440 like I'm realizing. I'm in the stage of, you know, 1190 01:00:31.599 --> 01:00:34.960 creating my own codex and realizing through my own experience 1191 01:00:35.239 --> 01:00:39.760 how things are m you. 1192 01:00:40.000 --> 01:00:43.760 Uh, yeah, you attribute to Taro even to like Buddhist 1193 01:00:44.320 --> 01:00:48.199 ideas and stuff. I mean, even though it's not a 1194 01:00:48.239 --> 01:00:50.400 Buddhist deck. I know that sounds a little confusing. 1195 01:00:51.199 --> 01:00:53.400 No, yeah, I mean that makes sense. I would say 1196 01:00:53.800 --> 01:00:59.199 with those two, I don't necessarily cross over as much. 1197 01:00:59.519 --> 01:01:03.440 Tarot for me is like because I'm always like I'm 1198 01:01:03.480 --> 01:01:06.239 so sensitive, so like I can read people, but I 1199 01:01:06.239 --> 01:01:08.920 would rather have a medium between the two of us, 1200 01:01:09.519 --> 01:01:11.960 because I don't want to live in your world like 1201 01:01:12.039 --> 01:01:14.360 you know what I mean, Like I would I'll connect 1202 01:01:14.400 --> 01:01:16.639 with your guardians, and I'll connect with your guides, and 1203 01:01:16.719 --> 01:01:19.119 I will give you the information they need for you 1204 01:01:19.199 --> 01:01:22.440 to understand. But I don't want to be in your 1205 01:01:23.039 --> 01:01:25.079 energy because I was, like, you know, it was pretty 1206 01:01:25.079 --> 01:01:28.079 traumatic my entire like life, like being a young kid 1207 01:01:28.159 --> 01:01:30.320 and being like what did I do wrong? You know, 1208 01:01:30.400 --> 01:01:32.719 why don't these people like me? Like I didn't you know, 1209 01:01:32.840 --> 01:01:36.360 I would take on so much and so so Yeah, 1210 01:01:36.440 --> 01:01:39.119 Taro for me is like a medium between the two 1211 01:01:39.159 --> 01:01:41.480 of us. Yeah. 1212 01:01:43.840 --> 01:01:45.800 Oh man, I was gonna ask a question I totally forgot. 1213 01:01:45.840 --> 01:01:47.440 Did any of you just have anything to say? 1214 01:01:47.880 --> 01:01:48.079 Yeah? 1215 01:01:48.679 --> 01:01:51.760 Yeah, I think the question will you remember that Nick? 1216 01:01:51.840 --> 01:01:53.599 That question that the one of the. 1217 01:01:53.920 --> 01:01:55.920 People in the chat brought up. I think it's something 1218 01:01:55.960 --> 01:01:58.719 you and I have talked about before, and she's bringing 1219 01:01:58.880 --> 01:01:59.960 up the idea of. 1220 01:02:01.519 --> 01:02:04.079 The Oi gi boards. Yes, you see? Yes? 1221 01:02:04.599 --> 01:02:05.519 Do you? Uh? Do you? 1222 01:02:05.960 --> 01:02:08.119 What do you think about the Ouiji board? Do you 1223 01:02:08.159 --> 01:02:10.280 think it has any relation to how the taro works? 1224 01:02:10.639 --> 01:02:13.519 And have any of you used one? I've actually believed 1225 01:02:13.519 --> 01:02:15.840 it or not. I've never used a Taro boards, I 1226 01:02:15.920 --> 01:02:16.960 mean a Wigi boots. 1227 01:02:19.039 --> 01:02:20.920 When I think I have a Wiji board, it reminds 1228 01:02:21.000 --> 01:02:22.320 me like when I was a kid and we would 1229 01:02:22.320 --> 01:02:24.199 do light as a feather stiff as a board, you know, 1230 01:02:24.360 --> 01:02:26.599 like I remember being elementaries. 1231 01:02:27.079 --> 01:02:31.280 I invoo, what's that I invoke? Meno? It was the 1232 01:02:31.320 --> 01:02:32.960 guy that she invoked that got every the grees. 1233 01:02:33.920 --> 01:02:36.400 Yeah, So like when I was like in elementary school, 1234 01:02:36.400 --> 01:02:37.880 we used to do light as a feather stif because 1235 01:02:37.880 --> 01:02:39.840 a board and like bloody Mary, you know, and so 1236 01:02:40.039 --> 01:02:42.519 like the Ouiji board for me is I've never act, 1237 01:02:42.599 --> 01:02:44.920 I've actually been gifted Wiji boards and I instantly just 1238 01:02:45.000 --> 01:02:46.719 throw them in the garbage because like I am not 1239 01:02:47.280 --> 01:02:49.199 I don't you know what I mean, Like I already 1240 01:02:49.400 --> 01:02:51.840 have too much to deal with the last thing I 1241 01:02:51.960 --> 01:02:54.760 want is like you know, I already hear things. And 1242 01:02:54.840 --> 01:02:56.199 I turned that off when I was a kid because 1243 01:02:56.199 --> 01:02:58.039 I would like lay, I would be laying in bed 1244 01:02:58.079 --> 01:03:00.599 and I would hear like nineteen twenties music as a child. 1245 01:03:00.760 --> 01:03:04.559 And so my series with connecting with spirits and ghosts 1246 01:03:04.679 --> 01:03:07.800 or like, I don't invite it in. I'm very specific 1247 01:03:07.880 --> 01:03:10.119 about the type of energies I connect with. I do 1248 01:03:10.280 --> 01:03:11.840 not want to connect with things that are going to 1249 01:03:11.920 --> 01:03:15.000 follow me. I obviously I'm a Buddhist, so like I 1250 01:03:15.119 --> 01:03:17.960 want to keep my karma clean, right, I'm not going 1251 01:03:18.039 --> 01:03:20.800 to start any new karma relationships with these like entities 1252 01:03:20.840 --> 01:03:23.159 that want to attach or you know whatever it is. 1253 01:03:23.320 --> 01:03:25.719 But yeah, I've never actually experienced a weedji board either. 1254 01:03:27.719 --> 01:03:32.719 Allright, was I think did do something with tower reading? 1255 01:03:32.880 --> 01:03:34.400 I totally was going to ask you, and I still 1256 01:03:34.400 --> 01:03:39.039 can't remember. Uh, was there ever times I'm sureing you 1257 01:03:39.199 --> 01:03:42.239 do readings for people? Has there ever been times you 1258 01:03:42.440 --> 01:03:45.159 like from like pulling cards for somebody else? Was there 1259 01:03:45.159 --> 01:03:47.880 ever a time that like you, I guess you pulled 1260 01:03:47.920 --> 01:03:49.679 cards into like kind of left an impact on you 1261 01:03:50.159 --> 01:03:52.519 or that you didn't figure has that ever happened? 1262 01:03:56.920 --> 01:03:59.599 I would say, I mean, like, let somebody's story was 1263 01:03:59.639 --> 01:04:02.000 pretty profoundly change or like something that. 1264 01:04:02.400 --> 01:04:04.960 You know, the cards were just like well, I don't know, 1265 01:04:05.079 --> 01:04:06.760 neither good, bad or whatever. It was just something that 1266 01:04:06.800 --> 01:04:08.639 maybe left with it kind of stuck with you. Maybe 1267 01:04:08.679 --> 01:04:10.400 it was like bad to a point you didn't even 1268 01:04:10.400 --> 01:04:12.360 want to tell, you know, I don't know. 1269 01:04:13.519 --> 01:04:16.639 Well, I think there's like, you know, there's always ways 1270 01:04:16.760 --> 01:04:20.400 to navigate those situations, you know, because it's like you know, 1271 01:04:20.719 --> 01:04:23.760 like the fives aren't always like the most pleasant cards, 1272 01:04:23.840 --> 01:04:26.239 right because you reach this like threshold of like okay, 1273 01:04:26.280 --> 01:04:28.440 it's time to shed, right, it's time to say, like 1274 01:04:29.159 --> 01:04:31.199 you know, you deserve better. And so I think there's 1275 01:04:31.199 --> 01:04:36.760 always ways to navigate those situations. I wouldn't necessarily say, 1276 01:04:37.119 --> 01:04:39.000 I mean I have a good I mean I'm rumor 1277 01:04:39.039 --> 01:04:41.760 curial as well, so like my mind works pretty fast. 1278 01:04:42.639 --> 01:04:46.000 But as far as like any memorable experiences, I mean, 1279 01:04:46.039 --> 01:04:48.199 I mainly remember like the really good ones, right, like 1280 01:04:48.360 --> 01:04:51.920 they're really excited people and people cry all the time, right, 1281 01:04:51.960 --> 01:04:54.480 because like I've had grown men who have never been 1282 01:04:54.559 --> 01:04:56.920 so vulnerable and they didn't have to say anything, right, 1283 01:04:57.000 --> 01:04:59.400 So it's like I'll give them a reading and first 1284 01:04:59.440 --> 01:05:01.400 out they're like, how did you know that? And they'll 1285 01:05:01.400 --> 01:05:03.440 start crying and they're like these you know, they're like 1286 01:05:03.480 --> 01:05:05.400 men like you nick, like just like you know, kind 1287 01:05:05.440 --> 01:05:08.239 of strong, like strong men, right, just like burly men, 1288 01:05:08.360 --> 01:05:11.280 and they're just like, you know, they just break down 1289 01:05:11.440 --> 01:05:14.559 because they don't tell anybody that stuff. And then here 1290 01:05:14.639 --> 01:05:19.079 I am somebody they don't know, just laying it all out. 1291 01:05:19.159 --> 01:05:22.239 So you get people in like vulnerable situations where I. 1292 01:05:22.239 --> 01:05:27.360 Can imagine mm hmmm. I would think, I mean, unless 1293 01:05:27.360 --> 01:05:30.159 you have like repeat customers might be a little bit different, 1294 01:05:30.199 --> 01:05:32.000 but I would think a lot of maybe new people 1295 01:05:32.079 --> 01:05:34.360 that just you know kind of might be in those 1296 01:05:34.400 --> 01:05:37.840 type of situations mm hmm. You know, the vulnerable they're 1297 01:05:37.920 --> 01:05:42.320 like going to alternative ideas to get an answer. They 1298 01:05:42.400 --> 01:05:44.599 might You're going to give them the answer they want 1299 01:05:44.639 --> 01:05:46.400 to hear too, you know. Unfortunately. 1300 01:05:46.760 --> 01:05:50.280 Yeah, yeah, and sometimes I don't even know. Sometimes it's 1301 01:05:50.320 --> 01:05:52.360 just out of like peer just wanting to see what 1302 01:05:52.480 --> 01:05:52.719 it is. 1303 01:05:53.039 --> 01:05:54.880 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, That's why I would say it 1304 01:05:54.880 --> 01:05:56.880 would be different. They're just like, I'm interested, Yeah, I 1305 01:05:56.960 --> 01:05:59.039 want to see what they got to say, totally different. 1306 01:05:59.159 --> 01:06:01.239 Yeah. Yeah, those are always the ones that seem to 1307 01:06:01.320 --> 01:06:04.280 cry more because they're just they weren't expecting okay, because 1308 01:06:04.280 --> 01:06:06.119 they weren't expecting it, you know, they're just like they're 1309 01:06:06.199 --> 01:06:08.599 just going in like okay, let's just see what happens, 1310 01:06:09.199 --> 01:06:10.159 and all of a sudden, it's. 1311 01:06:10.119 --> 01:06:11.840 Like, holy shit. Do you ever have something with like 1312 01:06:11.920 --> 01:06:14.400 so spot on that they actually like blew the person's mind, 1313 01:06:14.480 --> 01:06:17.159 like they were like what the like like kind of 1314 01:06:17.199 --> 01:06:17.679 blown away. 1315 01:06:18.920 --> 01:06:19.159 Yeah. 1316 01:06:19.360 --> 01:06:19.480 Well. 1317 01:06:19.559 --> 01:06:21.679 The nice thing too, is like I let them keep 1318 01:06:21.719 --> 01:06:24.199 their situation private, so I don't have to know anything 1319 01:06:24.239 --> 01:06:27.039 about your situation, okay, unless if they. 1320 01:06:26.920 --> 01:06:28.840 Want too, Okay, that's cool. 1321 01:06:29.840 --> 01:06:31.360 Yeah, And if they want to tell me anything, we 1322 01:06:31.400 --> 01:06:33.239 can talk it out. But usually I let them keep 1323 01:06:33.280 --> 01:06:36.119 everything private, so, you know, so as vulnerable as they are, 1324 01:06:36.199 --> 01:06:39.039 they're still also protected that like I don't know anything 1325 01:06:39.480 --> 01:06:44.599 unless if they tell me mm hmmm, uh. 1326 01:06:44.800 --> 01:06:47.320 What do you normally do when you do your readings? 1327 01:06:48.480 --> 01:06:50.199 And I'll say, I'm actually going to go back to 1328 01:06:50.280 --> 01:06:53.800 astrology if you don't mind, I'm sorry. Yeah, Like when 1329 01:06:53.840 --> 01:06:56.360 you do those are people asking for like birth charts 1330 01:06:56.440 --> 01:06:58.880 or they asking for like what's in my stars in 1331 01:06:58.960 --> 01:07:01.519 the next few these How does that? Like what kind 1332 01:07:01.559 --> 01:07:05.480 of services or how do you tackle your astrology with clients? 1333 01:07:06.639 --> 01:07:09.440 Yeah, so there's different types of astrology that I do. 1334 01:07:09.559 --> 01:07:12.360 So I do horrory astrology. So for that one, you 1335 01:07:12.480 --> 01:07:14.280 have to really have a question that has a need 1336 01:07:14.360 --> 01:07:16.440 to know basis. So it should be a question that 1337 01:07:16.480 --> 01:07:18.840 you've meditated on. It should be a yes or no question. 1338 01:07:19.320 --> 01:07:21.039 I'll be able to look at other things about it, 1339 01:07:21.119 --> 01:07:23.679 but it should be a yes or no question, or 1340 01:07:23.840 --> 01:07:25.719 like where to find something right, So it's like a 1341 01:07:25.800 --> 01:07:30.079 missing object type thing. And then I do natal astrology 1342 01:07:30.159 --> 01:07:34.360 and also predictive astrology. So with natal astrology, most people 1343 01:07:34.559 --> 01:07:35.400 just want to know what's. 1344 01:07:35.280 --> 01:07:36.440 That that's a birth chark? Correct? 1345 01:07:37.440 --> 01:07:40.840 Yeap your berth chart? Yeah, So natal astrology, we can 1346 01:07:40.960 --> 01:07:43.440 go an hour, we can go longer, you can come 1347 01:07:43.519 --> 01:07:46.639 back again because essentially I can just flesh out your 1348 01:07:46.719 --> 01:07:49.360 chart more and more. And so if you want to 1349 01:07:49.440 --> 01:07:51.639 just focus on it's like it's a short reading, like 1350 01:07:51.719 --> 01:07:54.639 a half an hour reading. I'll usually just you know, 1351 01:07:54.760 --> 01:07:57.119 get the first house fleshed out, get a good idea 1352 01:07:57.119 --> 01:07:59.360 of all the aspects in the chart and everything like that, 1353 01:07:59.480 --> 01:08:01.880 and then do like the predictive techniques. I'll pull up 1354 01:08:01.880 --> 01:08:05.679 the transits and then I'll also pull up the solar return, 1355 01:08:05.880 --> 01:08:09.119 and then I'll also pull up the solar arc and 1356 01:08:09.159 --> 01:08:14.440 then I'm learning secondary Earth primary directions right now. So 1357 01:08:14.519 --> 01:08:17.279 that's like a pretty profound one that I'm learning right 1358 01:08:17.319 --> 01:08:20.199 now as primary directions. And it's crazy as like, honestly, 1359 01:08:20.279 --> 01:08:23.640 astrology is pretty complex, like these mathematicians in the past 1360 01:08:23.840 --> 01:08:26.319 like just blew my mind. Like I feel like such 1361 01:08:26.359 --> 01:08:28.439 a little girl when I'm meeting classrooms and they talk 1362 01:08:28.479 --> 01:08:33.079 about spherical geometry and I'm just like, spherical geometry is 1363 01:08:33.119 --> 01:08:35.680 something like I didn't even know it was like a thing. 1364 01:08:35.760 --> 01:08:37.680 And then you have these classrooms with all these people 1365 01:08:37.720 --> 01:08:40.960 that know spherical geometry, you realize, like astrology and then 1366 01:08:41.000 --> 01:08:42.479 you look at all these people that are just practicing 1367 01:08:42.520 --> 01:08:44.199 like this base level of astrology and You're like, you 1368 01:08:44.239 --> 01:08:47.319 don't even know. I don't even know how complex it 1369 01:08:47.439 --> 01:08:47.680 can be. 1370 01:08:51.119 --> 01:08:55.199 Those you could probably spend that hour just talking about 1371 01:08:55.199 --> 01:08:57.159 a few houses and that's about it. I mean, really 1372 01:08:57.319 --> 01:09:00.000 mm hmmm, especially from the sounds of like what you're 1373 01:09:00.119 --> 01:09:02.920 talking about obviously you're very depth with astrology. 1374 01:09:03.680 --> 01:09:06.239 Oh yeah, yeah, she's very in depth. She's actually just 1375 01:09:06.359 --> 01:09:08.800 learned been learning geomancy as well. 1376 01:09:09.039 --> 01:09:10.359 Oh nice. 1377 01:09:11.479 --> 01:09:13.399 Yeah. So the way that that works is like, so 1378 01:09:13.760 --> 01:09:16.760 my Persia. So there's so I'm learning medieval astrology and 1379 01:09:16.840 --> 01:09:19.079 one of my teachers is a Persian astrologer. And what's 1380 01:09:19.159 --> 01:09:22.560 amazing about Persian astrology is like they essentially have all 1381 01:09:22.640 --> 01:09:24.840 of the texts, not all, but they have a whole 1382 01:09:24.880 --> 01:09:27.319 bunch of texts that have not even been translated to English. 1383 01:09:27.760 --> 01:09:30.159 And these are texts that come from like you know, 1384 01:09:30.279 --> 01:09:34.560 that went missing during like Hellenistic times, but they are 1385 01:09:34.880 --> 01:09:39.079 like preserved an Arabic tradition because once the Roman Empire fell, 1386 01:09:39.399 --> 01:09:42.000 and I forget like the whole history because it's a 1387 01:09:42.039 --> 01:09:45.359 whole thing. But Arabic astrology is essentially medieval astrology and 1388 01:09:45.520 --> 01:09:48.039 it really like translated all these texts and has this 1389 01:09:48.159 --> 01:09:51.479 huge repertoire of all these ancient texts and there and 1390 01:09:51.520 --> 01:09:55.920 so my teacher who's Persian astrologer, he taught us geomancy 1391 01:09:56.039 --> 01:09:59.680 and geomancy specifically how it is used in like how 1392 01:09:59.720 --> 01:10:02.800 do you as an astrologer. So it's still geomancy, but 1393 01:10:02.880 --> 01:10:06.079 it's set up so like you know, there's the twelve houses, 1394 01:10:06.359 --> 01:10:09.840 there's the planets, like each of the each of the 1395 01:10:09.880 --> 01:10:14.399 glyphs or whatever represents like a how or house and 1396 01:10:14.560 --> 01:10:18.079 a planet. It's really complex, but it's quite fascinating and 1397 01:10:18.359 --> 01:10:21.159 I'm looking forward to getting deeper into it. Like I said, 1398 01:10:21.239 --> 01:10:23.680 my base knowledge of that is because I know astrology, 1399 01:10:23.720 --> 01:10:26.840 so I can understand like the gist of the geomancy 1400 01:10:26.920 --> 01:10:29.199 that he taught us, but it's pretty complex. And he 1401 01:10:29.279 --> 01:10:31.560 also taught us like this system that I don't even 1402 01:10:31.600 --> 01:10:34.920 think anybody else in Western astrology knows because it's like 1403 01:10:35.039 --> 01:10:39.199 he has access to these texts that are written purely 1404 01:10:39.279 --> 01:10:39.800 in Arabic. 1405 01:10:40.000 --> 01:10:42.840 So that's fascinating. 1406 01:10:44.239 --> 01:10:50.239 That is awesome. Yeah, Now with the taro, do you 1407 01:10:50.279 --> 01:10:53.039 normally have like specific spreads that you do for people or. 1408 01:10:54.760 --> 01:10:57.159 I just do the Celtic cross mainly, and then I 1409 01:10:57.239 --> 01:11:00.800 add like yeah, yeah, I add, like what a couple 1410 01:11:00.920 --> 01:11:02.840 more cards, But that one just seems to be like 1411 01:11:02.920 --> 01:11:08.960 a good thorough evaluation of everything. Mm hmm. 1412 01:11:11.880 --> 01:11:14.520 Anybody else have any questions why? 1413 01:11:14.680 --> 01:11:19.159 I also find a fascinating where astrology and everything you're 1414 01:11:19.159 --> 01:11:22.880 doing can go into because she's even helped. Wasn't it 1415 01:11:23.039 --> 01:11:25.560 court cases or things like that that you've Oh. 1416 01:11:27.880 --> 01:11:30.760 Yeah, So I had a client who was going through 1417 01:11:30.800 --> 01:11:33.159 a divorce, and so I did a horrory for her 1418 01:11:33.239 --> 01:11:35.479 divorce to see like when it would go through, and 1419 01:11:35.600 --> 01:11:37.319 in the horror rear, I was like, there's something going 1420 01:11:37.359 --> 01:11:39.479 on with these lawyers. Like the it was like, the 1421 01:11:39.640 --> 01:11:42.159 problem wasn't that the two didn't want to have a settlement. 1422 01:11:42.199 --> 01:11:44.840 The two wanted a settlement, but the problem was that 1423 01:11:44.960 --> 01:11:47.880 there was the there was issues with their attorneys, as 1424 01:11:47.920 --> 01:11:49.880 it was written in the chart. And I was like, 1425 01:11:50.359 --> 01:11:53.039 you know, sometimes when you read a chart again, it 1426 01:11:53.119 --> 01:11:56.279 can seem so crazy that you're like, why would an attorney? 1427 01:11:56.359 --> 01:11:59.439 But that's not my job to get over logical analytical 1428 01:11:59.520 --> 01:12:01.279 of that shit, you know, I just need to say 1429 01:12:01.319 --> 01:12:03.720 what I see. And so I told her and then 1430 01:12:03.760 --> 01:12:07.239 come to turn out, yeah, the attorneys were actually just 1431 01:12:09.199 --> 01:12:11.399 lengthening the process so that they could make more money. 1432 01:12:12.319 --> 01:12:16.920 So that was interesting with that one. And then like 1433 01:12:17.000 --> 01:12:19.760 when my sister moved into her house, I was able 1434 01:12:19.800 --> 01:12:22.199 to say like, you know, yes, this place is going 1435 01:12:22.279 --> 01:12:24.319 to work out, but the landlords are going to be 1436 01:12:24.399 --> 01:12:26.600 really hard to work with, and then you know, they 1437 01:12:26.640 --> 01:12:28.960 went ahead and moved in given all the information I 1438 01:12:29.039 --> 01:12:31.479 told them, and then it played out pretty much like 1439 01:12:31.600 --> 01:12:33.920 I said, and she's like, yeah, this isn't working anymore. 1440 01:12:34.800 --> 01:12:37.720 So yeah, so it's fun. I mean, I really love 1441 01:12:37.800 --> 01:12:43.439 horror because it's it's fun. It's fun to get into 1442 01:12:43.520 --> 01:12:46.680 the chart and like not dissect but like you know, 1443 01:12:46.800 --> 01:12:49.800 interpret everything and look at all the different connections happening 1444 01:12:51.000 --> 01:12:53.199 and really help people, you know, help people what they're 1445 01:12:53.199 --> 01:12:55.439 looking for and what they need. But yeah, horry is 1446 01:12:55.479 --> 01:12:55.960 pretty fun. 1447 01:13:00.039 --> 01:13:06.239 Yeah, let's says, Oh no, uh, did you want now? 1448 01:13:06.319 --> 01:13:09.000 You had said something. I thought you specifically picked the 1449 01:13:09.079 --> 01:13:11.079 time because you thought it was like something good in 1450 01:13:11.119 --> 01:13:13.039 the stars. You said it was a good time to 1451 01:13:13.199 --> 01:13:14.840 do a reading. Is that what you said? 1452 01:13:16.039 --> 01:13:19.039 Well, so why I picked the time is essentially because 1453 01:13:19.039 --> 01:13:20.920 I knew we had like a you know, I was 1454 01:13:20.960 --> 01:13:22.560 looking at like, well, what's going to be good before 1455 01:13:22.600 --> 01:13:25.600 Mercury goes into Pisces, Because once Mercury goes into Pisces, 1456 01:13:25.680 --> 01:13:28.600 it's like, you know, we could have conversations that would 1457 01:13:28.640 --> 01:13:32.199 be super lengthy and drawn out and have all this information. 1458 01:13:32.600 --> 01:13:34.520 So I wanted Mercury to be in a spot and 1459 01:13:34.560 --> 01:13:37.880 specifically Mercury at twenty nine. Yeah, it's at twenty nine degrees. 1460 01:13:38.199 --> 01:13:40.840 Twenty nine degrees of Aquarius is actually in a good 1461 01:13:40.920 --> 01:13:45.359 relationship to my own personal chart, and so I thought 1462 01:13:45.359 --> 01:13:47.199 it would be a good time because, yeah, Mercury rules 1463 01:13:47.239 --> 01:13:50.279 the ascendant, and so whatever is on the ascendant is 1464 01:13:50.399 --> 01:13:54.359 essentially the energy of that hour. It's the hour market, 1465 01:13:54.359 --> 01:13:57.319 it's the horoscope. Horoscope is horizon, so it's like what's 1466 01:13:57.359 --> 01:13:59.600 on the horizon. So being the Gemini was on the 1467 01:13:59.680 --> 01:14:02.119 horizon and that's a Gemini is a perfect energy for 1468 01:14:02.199 --> 01:14:06.800 exchanging information. And with Mercury in a queries looking down, 1469 01:14:07.560 --> 01:14:11.039 Aquaries and Gemini are in a trying relationship. So Mercury 1470 01:14:11.119 --> 01:14:13.159 was in a nice relationship with the ascendate's in a 1471 01:14:13.239 --> 01:14:15.800 nice trying so that means communication can flow. The lord 1472 01:14:15.880 --> 01:14:18.760 of the chart is looking at the our marker from 1473 01:14:18.880 --> 01:14:22.359 the MC. So it was a good energy for communication 1474 01:14:23.000 --> 01:14:25.800 and to do all the mental stuff that is air energy. 1475 01:14:26.920 --> 01:14:32.239 Yeah, sounds like a good time for a show. 1476 01:14:36.920 --> 01:14:39.239 Yeah. Yeah, when we're doing things for our own lives, 1477 01:14:39.359 --> 01:14:41.439 it's like, you know, it's really handy to have an 1478 01:14:41.479 --> 01:14:45.680 astrologer as your girlfriend because she does this thing where 1479 01:14:45.720 --> 01:14:47.680 all of a sudden, she's you know, it's like, maybe 1480 01:14:47.720 --> 01:14:50.079 we shouldn't sign documents for this kind of thing right 1481 01:14:50.119 --> 01:14:52.600 now because mercury is in retrograde or whatever it is, 1482 01:14:52.760 --> 01:14:55.439 or maybe we you know, maybe this or that. You know, 1483 01:14:55.520 --> 01:14:58.199 So it's a quite fat and also then you know, 1484 01:14:58.399 --> 01:15:01.279 having an astrologery for a girlfriends really nice and also 1485 01:15:01.319 --> 01:15:04.199 a double edged sword because she knows you sometimes better 1486 01:15:04.279 --> 01:15:06.800 than you know herself, and she's correct. You cannot lie 1487 01:15:06.920 --> 01:15:09.840 to Kaivo Rosh. 1488 01:15:11.880 --> 01:15:14.520 Yeah, I will say that has been times be Legit 1489 01:15:14.640 --> 01:15:17.920 have even playing the show by planetary hours, but I've 1490 01:15:17.960 --> 01:15:20.720 never gotten that in it. But yeah, I have done that, 1491 01:15:21.359 --> 01:15:23.560 or release shows at specific times and dates. 1492 01:15:24.479 --> 01:15:27.800 Yeah, there's it's a whole thing. I mean, electional astrology 1493 01:15:27.920 --> 01:15:32.560 is so complex and wild and amazing because there's so 1494 01:15:32.600 --> 01:15:34.319 many things to consider. But then it's like, just keep 1495 01:15:34.359 --> 01:15:37.039 it simple, right, what is my intention? What do I 1496 01:15:37.119 --> 01:15:39.800 want from this? What am I doing? And those are 1497 01:15:39.840 --> 01:15:44.399 the areas to look at. But yeah, I used to 1498 01:15:44.439 --> 01:15:46.800 do crystal liixers, So I used to make crystal mixers, 1499 01:15:46.840 --> 01:15:49.960 and this was before I even got into astrology, So 1500 01:15:50.079 --> 01:15:52.159 I would make crystal lixers and just I knew that 1501 01:15:52.520 --> 01:15:54.840 the new moon and full moon were the time to 1502 01:15:54.920 --> 01:15:57.800 make them, so I would just you know, make them 1503 01:15:57.880 --> 01:16:00.479 under the full moon, not knowing like that full moon 1504 01:16:00.560 --> 01:16:03.880 also has an energetic property based on all the planets 1505 01:16:03.920 --> 01:16:06.399 that are interacting with it, right, So it's like, you know, 1506 01:16:07.439 --> 01:16:09.920 and this is where you know, it's good to experiment, 1507 01:16:10.079 --> 01:16:13.399 but it's also good to know that we're capturing energy 1508 01:16:14.079 --> 01:16:16.039 in the stars, whether we know it or not in 1509 01:16:16.079 --> 01:16:17.119 our little elixers. 1510 01:16:19.319 --> 01:16:21.119 Now, Jim, what you're gonna say something? 1511 01:16:22.720 --> 01:16:25.239 I did like your comment though, Nick, I just wanted 1512 01:16:25.239 --> 01:16:26.760 to say that this was a long time ago, but 1513 01:16:26.880 --> 01:16:30.399 I liked that you went there with the iconography to 1514 01:16:30.479 --> 01:16:34.119 see like if there was an overlap between kyro Ros's 1515 01:16:34.760 --> 01:16:38.600 school of Buddhism and like the tarot. So I also 1516 01:16:38.720 --> 01:16:41.199 agree like even though I come from a I have 1517 01:16:41.199 --> 01:16:44.840 an art history background and I obviously am a tontric 1518 01:16:44.960 --> 01:16:49.079 so our iconography is very profound, very colorful, very like 1519 01:16:49.199 --> 01:16:53.000 full of symbols that relate to the text. It is 1520 01:16:53.279 --> 01:16:56.760 very difficult to match the images, even for me, who 1521 01:16:56.920 --> 01:17:01.760 is good at kabbala to the Tarot. I really have 1522 01:17:01.920 --> 01:17:04.279 to relate it to my own things. Like I can 1523 01:17:04.439 --> 01:17:06.720 understand that Okay, a Buddhist city can go here, a 1524 01:17:06.800 --> 01:17:08.840 sanscrit work can go here. Like that can make sense 1525 01:17:08.920 --> 01:17:12.039 to me to replace them, but it doesn't make sense 1526 01:17:12.199 --> 01:17:14.960 to actually look at the system as it is and 1527 01:17:15.039 --> 01:17:17.720 then be like, okay, let me import one to one 1528 01:17:18.279 --> 01:17:20.199 these exact things. So I just wanted to echo that 1529 01:17:20.399 --> 01:17:22.760 and just say that was a good observation, Nick. 1530 01:17:26.439 --> 01:17:31.680 Thank you, thank you. I appreciate that. Crystals. Did you 1531 01:17:31.680 --> 01:17:34.880 said elixirs or something like that, Yeah. 1532 01:17:34.800 --> 01:17:38.960 Crystal elixirs. Yeah. Melody's book Love Is in the Earth. 1533 01:17:39.319 --> 01:17:41.760 It was one of my first entries. So, like I said, 1534 01:17:41.800 --> 01:17:44.880 my first entry into everything was actually stones and Melody 1535 01:17:45.079 --> 01:17:47.000 is this like beautiful. I mean, I don't know if 1536 01:17:47.000 --> 01:17:49.560 she's still alive. I hope. She is this beautiful, long, 1537 01:17:49.760 --> 01:17:53.199 white haired woman from Ireland, and she has this book 1538 01:17:53.239 --> 01:17:55.119 called Love Is in the Earth and has all the 1539 01:17:55.199 --> 01:17:58.399 crystals you could ever imagine, and she in that book 1540 01:17:58.479 --> 01:18:00.720 tells you how to make crystal. She tells you the 1541 01:18:00.840 --> 01:18:03.520 vibration of all the crystals. So it's actually one of 1542 01:18:03.600 --> 01:18:07.279 these like foundational texts for myself and she. So that 1543 01:18:07.399 --> 01:18:09.720 was how I learned how to make crystal elixirs was 1544 01:18:09.840 --> 01:18:11.760 through that and then actually I was involved in my 1545 01:18:11.760 --> 01:18:17.239 Buddhist practice eventually, so because I took the Lotus Sutra, 1546 01:18:17.359 --> 01:18:19.479 which is the book that we chant, and I made 1547 01:18:19.560 --> 01:18:24.680 like a quartz crystal around the elixir and I put 1548 01:18:24.760 --> 01:18:26.920 the Lotus Sutra in there because I wanted to put 1549 01:18:26.960 --> 01:18:31.079 more energy into it. So so yeah, it worked out great. 1550 01:18:34.520 --> 01:18:36.079 Yeah. I was just gonna ask, like I used to 1551 01:18:36.359 --> 01:18:40.840 U sometimes like it was more of a lunar actually 1552 01:18:40.920 --> 01:18:44.520 than than solar, I would you clate crystal alixus? And 1553 01:18:44.600 --> 01:18:48.399 I would use it like sometimes for ritual water nice. Yeah, 1554 01:18:48.439 --> 01:18:49.640 So it was cool that I heard you say that 1555 01:18:49.680 --> 01:18:51.199 because I was like, oh, I remember doing that stuff 1556 01:18:51.199 --> 01:18:53.520 sack in the day when I used to huh ritual. 1557 01:18:53.920 --> 01:18:55.600 Yeah, I want to get back into it. Yeah. 1558 01:18:55.680 --> 01:18:58.119 Yeah. Did you ever add like you might even say 1559 01:18:58.159 --> 01:18:58.840 herbs and stuff. 1560 01:19:00.800 --> 01:19:03.720 No, I only worked with like mixing different crystals, but. 1561 01:19:04.840 --> 01:19:06.680 I don't think i've actually put them together. But I 1562 01:19:06.760 --> 01:19:10.760 have like done herbs, you know, like it's yeah, definitely 1563 01:19:10.840 --> 01:19:14.600 done like crystals or stones, you know, like sometimes I 1564 01:19:14.720 --> 01:19:17.760 had there's a whole bunch of they're like small pebbles 1565 01:19:17.760 --> 01:19:20.560 of like moonstone, So I thought they're like I kind 1566 01:19:20.560 --> 01:19:22.119 of they were just perfect to kind of like pour 1567 01:19:22.199 --> 01:19:24.520 into a bottle. So sometimes I was like layer at 1568 01:19:24.560 --> 01:19:26.359 that bottom of the bottle with that, and they put 1569 01:19:26.399 --> 01:19:29.159 it out on full moons. You know, you're trying to 1570 01:19:29.199 --> 01:19:31.000 match the stone with the moon. 1571 01:19:31.439 --> 01:19:33.560 Uh huh yeah. Yeah. 1572 01:19:34.239 --> 01:19:36.680 That actually just reminded me of Kaiva. Can you tell 1573 01:19:36.720 --> 01:19:40.359 people how important it is to actually do things on 1574 01:19:40.760 --> 01:19:44.159 the time of the full moons, not just full moons themselves? 1575 01:19:44.880 --> 01:19:47.880 Right? Yes, yeah, no, that's that is very important because 1576 01:19:47.920 --> 01:19:49.880 I mean, if we're gonna if we're gonna use the 1577 01:19:50.079 --> 01:19:51.760 energy of the full moon, we should make sure to 1578 01:19:51.840 --> 01:19:54.199 know when the moon goes full, right, And I think 1579 01:19:54.720 --> 01:19:56.119 I have a lot of clients right and they're like, 1580 01:19:56.359 --> 01:19:58.840 I'm gonna make moonwater, and I'm like, that's great, you 1581 01:19:58.880 --> 01:20:01.880 should make moonwater, But did you know the full moon 1582 01:20:01.920 --> 01:20:05.239 actually happened last night at like three am? And they're 1583 01:20:05.319 --> 01:20:08.319 like what, No, way. I listened to this podcaster and 1584 01:20:08.439 --> 01:20:11.520 they said I could make my moon water anytime today 1585 01:20:11.640 --> 01:20:13.600 and I'm like, that's cute, but that's actually not how 1586 01:20:13.640 --> 01:20:17.479 it works. So it is important too. And then you 1587 01:20:17.640 --> 01:20:19.319 I mean, it's easy to find. You can literally just 1588 01:20:19.399 --> 01:20:22.439 google when is the exact time of a full moon 1589 01:20:22.560 --> 01:20:27.359 or new moon. Yes, that is very important because essentially 1590 01:20:27.479 --> 01:20:30.479 like a full moon is pulling like it's great, you know, 1591 01:20:30.560 --> 01:20:33.760 it's like the fullness of that energy. Right, So we're built, 1592 01:20:33.880 --> 01:20:38.079 we're growing, and then on the moving to the new moon, 1593 01:20:38.159 --> 01:20:39.680 we're letting go over releasing. 1594 01:20:39.880 --> 01:20:46.359 So m hm, go ahead. 1595 01:20:46.359 --> 01:20:49.119 I do have one sorry about that. Uh, it's it's 1596 01:20:49.159 --> 01:20:50.960 a good one. It's I think it'll be set a 1597 01:20:51.159 --> 01:20:56.359 good tone for the like finale. This is a little 1598 01:20:56.399 --> 01:20:59.720 pop astrology, maybe cover roads, but I think it's appropriate. 1599 01:21:00.079 --> 01:21:03.520 Do you have any predictions or ideas for the year 1600 01:21:03.680 --> 01:21:07.319 of the fire Horse since that is very soon upcoming? 1601 01:21:08.159 --> 01:21:10.399 And I wanted to shout out Matt because he actually 1602 01:21:10.439 --> 01:21:13.319 brought this up the other day about the Leechen cycle. 1603 01:21:13.399 --> 01:21:14.920 I'm not sure if you're familiar with this, but it's 1604 01:21:14.960 --> 01:21:19.239 a Chinese way of ordering the months by solar cycles. 1605 01:21:19.399 --> 01:21:21.600 They're twenty four, but sometimes they can be reduced down 1606 01:21:21.640 --> 01:21:27.279 to six. Anyways, we're in a very particular, very special 1607 01:21:27.479 --> 01:21:30.319 unique I guess I hate saying that because all astrology 1608 01:21:30.439 --> 01:21:33.880 is kind of unique, like it's always transitting, so there's 1609 01:21:33.920 --> 01:21:37.119 always new things going on. But we're in a kind 1610 01:21:37.159 --> 01:21:40.720 of unique cycle. For this specific Chinese astrology. So I 1611 01:21:40.840 --> 01:21:45.359 just wondered if you had any more Western strology like predictions, 1612 01:21:45.439 --> 01:21:47.199 ideas advice for the new year. 1613 01:21:48.840 --> 01:21:52.039 Yeah, so I don't really work with Chinese astrology that much. 1614 01:21:52.199 --> 01:21:55.079 Like I am a dragon, which I love that, but 1615 01:21:55.680 --> 01:21:59.319 also a dragon. You're a dragon too, Yeah, that's why 1616 01:21:59.359 --> 01:22:02.279 I did astrology just because of that. You're in eighty 1617 01:22:02.319 --> 01:22:03.239 eight too, That's what I am. 1618 01:22:04.560 --> 01:22:05.359 That's so interesting. 1619 01:22:06.000 --> 01:22:10.239 I was born in November, okay, yep, I was born 1620 01:22:10.279 --> 01:22:13.079 in June. So actually you and I might have like 1621 01:22:13.239 --> 01:22:17.399 similar Urinus and Saturn because all those plants were retrograde 1622 01:22:17.399 --> 01:22:18.880 when I was born, and we're going direct when you 1623 01:22:18.960 --> 01:22:20.319 were born. And I have friends that were born in 1624 01:22:20.359 --> 01:22:24.119 December who have very similar placements. But as far as 1625 01:22:24.239 --> 01:22:28.600 like the year, you know, we're entering a clip season 1626 01:22:28.680 --> 01:22:31.079 right now, that's always really interesting, right, So we're kind 1627 01:22:31.079 --> 01:22:34.239 of enteringly entering into that like portal energy where we're 1628 01:22:34.279 --> 01:22:36.439 being pulled in a very we're being pulled in a 1629 01:22:36.520 --> 01:22:39.199 direction as we're being able to asked to like release 1630 01:22:39.359 --> 01:22:41.239 in another area of our life. So I think you know, 1631 01:22:41.359 --> 01:22:43.520 a clip season that we have murcury retrograde at the 1632 01:22:43.640 --> 01:22:48.640 end of the month. So it's kind of like, you know, 1633 01:22:49.000 --> 01:22:51.039 I think there's like that scene in Harry Potter where 1634 01:22:51.079 --> 01:22:56.079 like the staircases like move right, is that Harry Potter? Right, 1635 01:22:56.159 --> 01:23:01.960 So it's like, what's up? Yes, yeah, you're correct, Okay, Yeah, 1636 01:23:02.000 --> 01:23:03.520 So it's kind of That's what I always think. Eclip 1637 01:23:03.640 --> 01:23:06.720 season is like, right, we're moving, We're like switching. We're 1638 01:23:06.760 --> 01:23:08.760 like moving to a new area of our life or 1639 01:23:08.800 --> 01:23:10.760 being pulled to a new area of our life. And 1640 01:23:10.880 --> 01:23:13.239 it can be a time where I always it just 1641 01:23:13.319 --> 01:23:15.439 feels like it we're portaled, right, We're just in this 1642 01:23:15.520 --> 01:23:19.079 portal where everything's out of time, right, Like nothing really 1643 01:23:19.199 --> 01:23:21.399 feels like it fits in. It all feels like kind 1644 01:23:21.439 --> 01:23:24.960 of new, feels like it's changing. And so it'll be 1645 01:23:25.000 --> 01:23:27.479 interesting to see how this eclipse season happens. What's nice 1646 01:23:27.479 --> 01:23:31.119 about this eclipse on the I think it's the seventeenth. 1647 01:23:31.279 --> 01:23:33.279 I did the astrology for it. I think it's the seventeen, 1648 01:23:34.600 --> 01:23:37.439 is that there might be the sixteenth. One of the 1649 01:23:37.520 --> 01:23:41.239 two is that we have a square with uriness before that, 1650 01:23:41.520 --> 01:23:44.439 and then we have the moon square areness before that, 1651 01:23:44.520 --> 01:23:48.039 and then we have the moon conjunct venus after the eclipse. 1652 01:23:48.520 --> 01:23:51.720 So this eclipse that's coming up, it does have an 1653 01:23:51.880 --> 01:23:56.119 energy of like let go, right, like let go of 1654 01:23:56.239 --> 01:23:59.800 what you know as normal, traditional standard, like what you're 1655 01:24:00.119 --> 01:24:01.680 to Of course, it's always going to be based on 1656 01:24:02.199 --> 01:24:04.359 where is it in your personal chart, right, because it's 1657 01:24:04.399 --> 01:24:07.439 if it's not on your angles, it's not going to 1658 01:24:07.520 --> 01:24:11.800 maybe be as prominent in your life. But and then 1659 01:24:11.800 --> 01:24:16.000 we have the moon conjunct Venus after the eclipse, which 1660 01:24:16.199 --> 01:24:19.000 Venus is exalted in Pisces at that time. So it 1661 01:24:19.159 --> 01:24:23.359 does have like this really like enjoy the pleasures of life, 1662 01:24:23.560 --> 01:24:26.000 enjoy the good things in life, like there is I 1663 01:24:26.079 --> 01:24:29.079 think we are I think we are going to go 1664 01:24:29.119 --> 01:24:30.960 through like some major changes. I know that sounds like 1665 01:24:31.039 --> 01:24:35.319 something we always say, but like eclipses are pretty transformational, 1666 01:24:35.439 --> 01:24:39.199 like things don't go back after eclipses. And I think 1667 01:24:39.279 --> 01:24:42.680 this one it's always hard to say, Like my relationship 1668 01:24:42.720 --> 01:24:45.560 to good and bad is always like you know, is 1669 01:24:45.640 --> 01:24:46.439 it actually bad? 1670 01:24:46.720 --> 01:24:46.880 Right? 1671 01:24:47.039 --> 01:24:48.840 Like I had a client yesterday who had a breakup 1672 01:24:48.880 --> 01:24:51.560 and it's like he was so devastated and I was 1673 01:24:51.600 --> 01:24:52.920 like I looked at his chart and I was like, honestly, 1674 01:24:52.960 --> 01:24:54.640 you couldn't have had a better time for a breakup, 1675 01:24:54.720 --> 01:24:56.920 you have Jupiter exalted ruly in your seventh house in 1676 01:24:56.960 --> 01:25:00.159 the eleventh house, like, that's great. If somebody's in breakup you, 1677 01:25:00.239 --> 01:25:02.199 that means you're gonna have a lot of options, right. 1678 01:25:02.239 --> 01:25:03.880 That means more people are going to come into your life. 1679 01:25:03.960 --> 01:25:08.279 So as change happens during these eclipse seasons, like it 1680 01:25:08.359 --> 01:25:10.920 could be could be pretty big because then we have 1681 01:25:11.000 --> 01:25:13.920 mercury retrograde after that, which says like, okay, look at it, pause, 1682 01:25:14.039 --> 01:25:17.640 take a moment, reflect what just happened. And then we 1683 01:25:17.800 --> 01:25:22.720 have the other eclipse during the mercury retrograde. So I 1684 01:25:22.760 --> 01:25:25.159 would say this, this kickoff that we have going on 1685 01:25:26.880 --> 01:25:29.000 will be good. And this is where I think it's 1686 01:25:29.039 --> 01:25:31.680 important to look at what we call normal and when 1687 01:25:31.720 --> 01:25:37.039 we have standards and habits in our life and like, really, honestly, 1688 01:25:37.520 --> 01:25:40.199 you know, is it normal or is it comfortable? Right? 1689 01:25:40.239 --> 01:25:43.359 Because if it's comfortable, it doesn't always mean it's normal, 1690 01:25:43.479 --> 01:25:46.720 it doesn't always mean it's good. And so it's important 1691 01:25:46.760 --> 01:25:49.840 to look at like habits and traditions and standards and 1692 01:25:49.920 --> 01:25:52.760 really be honest like is this actually healthy or does 1693 01:25:52.840 --> 01:25:53.760 that need to change? 1694 01:25:58.199 --> 01:26:00.359 That was great, Thank you so much. That was perfect. 1695 01:26:00.560 --> 01:26:03.800 Uranian kind of like a very good framing, like, yeah, 1696 01:26:03.880 --> 01:26:06.239 you can approach it your sort of rebellious and then 1697 01:26:06.439 --> 01:26:08.880 also let it go very Buddhist. So I just want 1698 01:26:08.920 --> 01:26:10.279 to say thank you so much for that. I needed 1699 01:26:10.279 --> 01:26:13.000 to hear everything you said, so, uh maybe it was 1700 01:26:13.079 --> 01:26:15.439 for me. Maybe that's what the whole thing was. So 1701 01:26:15.560 --> 01:26:16.199 thank you so much. 1702 01:26:19.199 --> 01:26:19.479 Thank you. 1703 01:26:20.319 --> 01:26:22.119 What do you think about that lady for the Temple 1704 01:26:22.159 --> 01:26:26.399 of uh oh God? Yeah, thank you for asking Kevros. 1705 01:26:26.439 --> 01:26:27.880 What do you think about that lady who used to 1706 01:26:27.960 --> 01:26:31.279 be a funk I forgot a name, Zina whatever. She 1707 01:26:31.319 --> 01:26:32.840 used to be in the Church of Satan. Now she's 1708 01:26:32.840 --> 01:26:41.159 a Buddhist, you know, uh j what's her name? Daughter? 1709 01:26:43.720 --> 01:26:44.399 She's a Buddhist. 1710 01:26:45.800 --> 01:26:49.239 Who is She's a karma kagua. She's like a mind 1711 01:26:49.319 --> 01:26:53.359 kind I mean, she's so. She's the daughter of Anton LaVey, 1712 01:26:53.479 --> 01:26:56.840 who is was the co founder, founder of co founder. 1713 01:26:57.039 --> 01:26:58.800 He was the founder, he was the founder of the 1714 01:26:58.920 --> 01:27:02.359 Temples of Satan. Yeah, or the Skiing Couple. I can't 1715 01:27:02.399 --> 01:27:03.279 remember one of those. 1716 01:27:03.920 --> 01:27:06.359 I would be completely honest with your kamos. And her 1717 01:27:06.479 --> 01:27:09.520 pop knowledge is not very high and. 1718 01:27:09.800 --> 01:27:14.960 Well she might be better. Well she's really. 1719 01:27:14.760 --> 01:27:18.680 Television Yeah, I'm really bad at anything past culture, so. 1720 01:27:18.720 --> 01:27:22.239 Am I actually, so that is kind of funny. But 1721 01:27:22.840 --> 01:27:25.119 she she so she is a contra Buddhist and so 1722 01:27:25.800 --> 01:27:28.159 like obviously we believe in Tontraic Buddhism that you can 1723 01:27:28.239 --> 01:27:30.800 rectify all your sins, like all your past karmas through 1724 01:27:30.920 --> 01:27:34.720 the tontric thurgical procedures. Basically that's what it is. And 1725 01:27:34.800 --> 01:27:38.039 so a lot of magicians find their way into various 1726 01:27:38.119 --> 01:27:41.600 kinds of dharma because of that idea that you can control, 1727 01:27:41.920 --> 01:27:44.840 you can be more a a causal in your life 1728 01:27:45.000 --> 01:27:49.359 and also a rectify past karmas done in this life, 1729 01:27:49.600 --> 01:27:51.880 not just of the past life, but of this life. 1730 01:27:52.319 --> 01:27:55.560 So that's why a lot of people like dharma mhm 1731 01:27:56.399 --> 01:27:56.840 m hm. 1732 01:28:01.680 --> 01:28:07.119 Oh similar where we chant and then we purify our life. 1733 01:28:07.159 --> 01:28:09.560 So we call it like cleaning the mirror, you know, 1734 01:28:09.720 --> 01:28:12.159 so every time you're chanting, you're connecting to your highest self. 1735 01:28:12.199 --> 01:28:15.199 And like the same idea, right, there's mutable and non 1736 01:28:15.279 --> 01:28:18.199 mutable karma, right, and so like the mutable karma is 1737 01:28:18.279 --> 01:28:20.560 like the karma of just like your existence. Like if 1738 01:28:20.560 --> 01:28:23.079 you become a better person and you understand the ten 1739 01:28:23.159 --> 01:28:26.319 factors of life and you're consistent to like carry a 1740 01:28:26.399 --> 01:28:29.319 specific energy no matter all the relations that you're having 1741 01:28:29.880 --> 01:28:32.399 with things and people, like you can clear your karma 1742 01:28:32.479 --> 01:28:36.920 because you're choosing a specific frequency, You're choosing a specific 1743 01:28:37.000 --> 01:28:40.399 world to live in, where like you know, non unmutable 1744 01:28:40.439 --> 01:28:42.199 karma is like you don't have an arm, right, so 1745 01:28:42.319 --> 01:28:44.560 like you're born without an arm, So like we can't 1746 01:28:44.600 --> 01:28:48.079 really like help you. That can't really your Buddhist practice 1747 01:28:48.079 --> 01:28:50.159 can't really help with that. So yeah, we believe in 1748 01:28:50.239 --> 01:28:52.000 the same thing. And I think it's you know, I 1749 01:28:52.079 --> 01:28:56.319 think people taking this right step from Satanism to you know, 1750 01:28:56.960 --> 01:28:59.920 you're like a practice. I mean because like in Buddhism, right, 1751 01:29:00.039 --> 01:29:02.479 so it's like everybody's at the assembly, so like in 1752 01:29:02.560 --> 01:29:06.720 the Lotus Sutra, like the dragons are there, the asuras 1753 01:29:06.760 --> 01:29:10.600 are there, Like everybody's at at the gathering when the 1754 01:29:10.640 --> 01:29:13.960 Buddha preaches, and so you even have the devils and 1755 01:29:14.039 --> 01:29:16.760 everybody protects the Buddhas. So it's like there is an 1756 01:29:16.840 --> 01:29:20.119 interesting concept of like the ten worlds are all having 1757 01:29:20.199 --> 01:29:22.920 their own experience in each of those those ten worlds 1758 01:29:23.319 --> 01:29:26.079 has a Buddha, right, So like even in the people 1759 01:29:26.159 --> 01:29:29.199 that are practicing Satanism, they still have the Buddhist seed 1760 01:29:29.720 --> 01:29:31.760 inside of them. They still have the Buddha world. It's 1761 01:29:31.800 --> 01:29:34.000 whether they want to touch that world or live in 1762 01:29:34.119 --> 01:29:40.600 like the lower worlds of like rage and hunger and anger. Right, 1763 01:29:40.720 --> 01:29:44.119 So I think it's and then you have to look 1764 01:29:44.119 --> 01:29:45.600 at it, right, like it what does it mean to 1765 01:29:45.640 --> 01:29:47.199 be on the Buddhist path? Right? Like in the load 1766 01:29:47.239 --> 01:29:50.960 of Sutra, it says like even making an offering as 1767 01:29:50.960 --> 01:29:52.800 a child, right, So like when I was a kid, 1768 01:29:52.920 --> 01:29:55.399 I was for some reason fascinated with Buddhism, and I 1769 01:29:55.520 --> 01:29:58.920 made that the I made a Buddhist symbol in art 1770 01:29:59.000 --> 01:30:02.000 class because I would just like I love the idea 1771 01:30:02.039 --> 01:30:04.119 of Buddhism, and so I made the symbol. And then 1772 01:30:04.199 --> 01:30:06.119 like reading this text is like, yeah, even if a 1773 01:30:06.239 --> 01:30:10.159 child unknowingly makes an art piece or is like a 1774 01:30:10.359 --> 01:30:13.520 figurine of the Buddha or a Buddhist symbol, like they 1775 01:30:13.560 --> 01:30:15.920 are on the path. So I think it's interesting that 1776 01:30:16.039 --> 01:30:19.560 concept of like you know that person switching over. 1777 01:30:19.760 --> 01:30:24.319 Yeah, that was an amazing answer. I know it was 1778 01:30:24.479 --> 01:30:27.159 probably a surprise, but it really was great. And the 1779 01:30:28.319 --> 01:30:31.840 Lotus Sutra, like the way that you wove that story together, 1780 01:30:32.720 --> 01:30:35.760 like the Naugas the Asuras, the you know, the Tullies 1781 01:30:35.800 --> 01:30:38.199 and all the people of the Cardinal Ground. Yes, exactly right, 1782 01:30:38.279 --> 01:30:41.039 they are there and they are here listening to this 1783 01:30:41.159 --> 01:30:43.600 as well, and so it's important to like always carry 1784 01:30:43.640 --> 01:30:46.159 forward that dharma seed. I struggle with this, Kyborro's I'm 1785 01:30:46.159 --> 01:30:49.079 sure you don't. You seem very grounded, and I aspire 1786 01:30:49.119 --> 01:30:53.520 to that maybe, you know, I definitely think it's like 1787 01:30:53.760 --> 01:30:56.720 it is a consideration. I always try and consider it, 1788 01:30:56.880 --> 01:30:59.760 like with the way that I'm presenting information, especially if 1789 01:30:59.800 --> 01:31:03.039 it's dharmak. However, I'm just an imperfect vehicle and I'm 1790 01:31:03.079 --> 01:31:06.039 definitely not a teacher. But I yeah, I think it's 1791 01:31:06.359 --> 01:31:08.680 exactly what you said, like anyone can ever, everyone can 1792 01:31:08.800 --> 01:31:12.960 choose darma. You can choose, right, And so I think 1793 01:31:13.000 --> 01:31:14.960 that that's like really the lesson is like a lot 1794 01:31:15.000 --> 01:31:18.840 of people who are more like retired from magic, they're 1795 01:31:18.920 --> 01:31:21.520 they're kind of like, well, I know all this, I 1796 01:31:21.640 --> 01:31:23.920 know all the wonders of the universe, and maybe it's 1797 01:31:23.960 --> 01:31:25.319 time to like look at the wonders of. 1798 01:31:25.319 --> 01:31:25.880 My own mind. 1799 01:31:26.720 --> 01:31:30.079 Mm hmm. Yeah. And this is interesting about like the 1800 01:31:30.279 --> 01:31:33.840 Buddha rain like whenever, like the Buddha's wisdom is always 1801 01:31:33.920 --> 01:31:36.239 raining down and we all receive because we all have 1802 01:31:36.319 --> 01:31:38.479 a capacity, right, So it's like we all receive the 1803 01:31:38.560 --> 01:31:40.920 capacity of which we can absorb in which we can 1804 01:31:41.000 --> 01:31:44.600 grow from. But we're all receiving the same amount of 1805 01:31:44.720 --> 01:31:47.600 Buddha rain, of Buddha wisdom. It's just like, you know, 1806 01:31:47.720 --> 01:31:50.000 we all receive what we can because that's where we're at. 1807 01:31:50.119 --> 01:31:51.720 And I think the more we open up and cleanse 1808 01:31:51.760 --> 01:31:55.760 our vessel and our senses to receive more, we get more, right, 1809 01:31:55.800 --> 01:31:57.479 And that's where like my daily practice is like an 1810 01:31:57.560 --> 01:31:59.319 hour in the morning and an hour in the evening, 1811 01:31:59.520 --> 01:32:02.159 no matter what I have to do, because for me, 1812 01:32:02.279 --> 01:32:06.039 that is the most important thing in my daily life 1813 01:32:06.199 --> 01:32:08.560 is my Buddhist practice because it sets me up. It's 1814 01:32:08.600 --> 01:32:11.279 my practice friend, like for moving forward through the day 1815 01:32:11.319 --> 01:32:12.119 and ending my day. 1816 01:32:14.520 --> 01:32:19.359 I agree, sor I apologize for the dogs, but no, 1817 01:32:19.479 --> 01:32:21.960 absolutely sodna. I mean, I know you don't call it so, 1818 01:32:22.000 --> 01:32:24.640 And I apologize for using them counts ready where it's 1819 01:32:25.159 --> 01:32:27.279 it's just it's so out of habit. But yeah, that 1820 01:32:27.520 --> 01:32:29.359 is how I also start my day and end my day. 1821 01:32:29.439 --> 01:32:31.239 And if I do not, if I miss those and 1822 01:32:31.319 --> 01:32:34.039 sometimes it happens, but if I do. I notice a 1823 01:32:34.159 --> 01:32:39.159 huge difference, Like it's like very very divergent between between 1824 01:32:39.239 --> 01:32:44.119 consistency and like missing even one of those two times. 1825 01:32:44.199 --> 01:32:45.199 So I totally agree. 1826 01:32:46.039 --> 01:32:51.800 Yeah yeah, even though for like myself, when I was 1827 01:32:51.880 --> 01:32:56.279 big into ceremonial magic, I just had certain practices that 1828 01:32:56.359 --> 01:32:58.840 I did every morning. You know, some of that would 1829 01:32:58.840 --> 01:33:02.039 do with meditation, breath, but uh yeah, I even ordered 1830 01:33:02.079 --> 01:33:04.520 for myself if I kind of started missing out on 1831 01:33:04.600 --> 01:33:07.640 that to be a difference. So I can just imagine 1832 01:33:07.680 --> 01:33:10.159 for you know, same thing everything for you, maybe even 1833 01:33:10.439 --> 01:33:14.479 more intense actually than what I was doing. Yeah, yeah, 1834 01:33:14.479 --> 01:33:16.479 I could totally see that making a change in someone's 1835 01:33:16.680 --> 01:33:20.479 you know, perception of reality actually the way or the 1836 01:33:20.520 --> 01:33:22.039 way they deal with the things in their life. 1837 01:33:23.640 --> 01:33:27.399 Yeah. Yeah, because I think it's important, like to spend 1838 01:33:27.479 --> 01:33:31.000 that time. I think it's important to remember, like we're 1839 01:33:31.039 --> 01:33:34.800 all individuals, right, and sometimes we're so interconnected through social media, 1840 01:33:35.359 --> 01:33:38.479 through everything that like we forget or we'll like not forget, 1841 01:33:38.560 --> 01:33:42.600 but like we it's important to disassociate everything in your 1842 01:33:42.720 --> 01:33:46.439 life from your soul and like your actual experience. Like 1843 01:33:46.720 --> 01:33:48.840 and this is where it's like, you know, I continuously 1844 01:33:48.880 --> 01:33:50.720 quote the load of future because it's so profound for 1845 01:33:50.840 --> 01:33:52.960 me because I read it over and over again, but like, 1846 01:33:53.520 --> 01:33:55.920 you know, it's important. Like when the world, the Buddha's 1847 01:33:55.960 --> 01:33:59.479 world is never on fire. Right, the house is on fire, Right, 1848 01:33:59.600 --> 01:34:01.720 the world is on fire, but the Buddha's world is 1849 01:34:01.800 --> 01:34:04.600 never on fire. And there's like this idea that like 1850 01:34:04.760 --> 01:34:09.520 people are so and so taken by like the physical 1851 01:34:09.600 --> 01:34:11.920 things in this world that they get caught in the 1852 01:34:12.000 --> 01:34:14.239 material world. They get caught in this physical world, they 1853 01:34:14.239 --> 01:34:17.720 get caught in this illusion of what is life. Right, 1854 01:34:17.800 --> 01:34:20.399 and so this idea that like they don't even know 1855 01:34:20.479 --> 01:34:23.279 the house is on fire. They're living in a burning house, right, 1856 01:34:23.359 --> 01:34:26.399 and they're just so consumed with their playthings that they 1857 01:34:26.439 --> 01:34:30.159 don't even notice that there's like crazy creatures ripping each 1858 01:34:30.199 --> 01:34:32.880 other apart. They don't even know that there's like maggots 1859 01:34:32.920 --> 01:34:36.159 crawling on the walls. And like the story is like 1860 01:34:36.279 --> 01:34:39.279 the Buddha is like, I need to get these people 1861 01:34:39.399 --> 01:34:41.920 out of this house. Right, the house is on fire. 1862 01:34:42.000 --> 01:34:45.079 I need to get these people out. And so you know, 1863 01:34:45.319 --> 01:34:48.640 through encouraging, like you will have better things, right, Like 1864 01:34:48.680 --> 01:34:50.600 if you leave this house, I'll get you an ox cart, 1865 01:34:50.960 --> 01:34:53.199 I will give you, Like the best jewels ever. I 1866 01:34:53.239 --> 01:34:56.039 will give you all you want if you just leave 1867 01:34:56.359 --> 01:34:59.560 this burning house. Like that's kind of the idea of 1868 01:34:59.720 --> 01:35:02.880 like how to kind of see the world, right, Like 1869 01:35:03.000 --> 01:35:05.079 we're we're living in a world that is on fire, 1870 01:35:05.119 --> 01:35:07.880 but it's actually not on fire, right, It's like it 1871 01:35:07.960 --> 01:35:09.560 looks like it's on fire because we have a lot 1872 01:35:09.600 --> 01:35:12.800 of people circulating these like lower realms, in these lower worlds, 1873 01:35:13.079 --> 01:35:16.000 and that's where I wonder, like, are we actually supposed 1874 01:35:16.039 --> 01:35:18.159 to see all the things that are happening in the world. 1875 01:35:18.159 --> 01:35:20.479 I'm not saying be ignorant, but we all have our 1876 01:35:20.479 --> 01:35:24.920 own karma experiences, and I think sometimes going turning off 1877 01:35:24.960 --> 01:35:27.079 everything is so essential so you can listen to the 1878 01:35:27.199 --> 01:35:30.800 silence and know that there is no screaming, like and 1879 01:35:30.920 --> 01:35:32.840 I'm fortunate for that, right And I'm not saying that 1880 01:35:32.880 --> 01:35:35.840 I'll like, you know, I don't want to like offend 1881 01:35:35.840 --> 01:35:38.359 anybody or like whatever. You know, I'm aware that there 1882 01:35:38.439 --> 01:35:40.479 is screaming in the world, but I think it's important 1883 01:35:40.640 --> 01:35:44.119 you know, like in your reality there's no screaming, and 1884 01:35:44.239 --> 01:35:47.640 like you have done something karmically right to get to 1885 01:35:47.720 --> 01:35:49.479 that space. And I'm not saying that people haven't done 1886 01:35:49.520 --> 01:35:51.920 in something right, if there is screaming, we all have 1887 01:35:52.079 --> 01:35:54.239 experiences for whatever reason. But yeah, I think it's important 1888 01:35:54.239 --> 01:35:56.640 to turn everything off, and that's what that daily practice 1889 01:35:57.479 --> 01:35:58.079 can give us. 1890 01:35:59.159 --> 01:36:01.119 I love what you said end as well, that we 1891 01:36:01.359 --> 01:36:04.720 have the agency of our own minds to choose whether well, 1892 01:36:04.760 --> 01:36:09.079 I call it a little different apologize rosa tontric kind 1893 01:36:09.119 --> 01:36:11.479 of language, but it's exactly the same you're saying a 1894 01:36:11.520 --> 01:36:14.000 burning house. I say, yeah, Okay, we live on the 1895 01:36:14.079 --> 01:36:16.119 carnal ground and we live in the garden, and we 1896 01:36:16.239 --> 01:36:19.319 can choose to plant a garden. We can choose to 1897 01:36:19.720 --> 01:36:23.000 you know, plant those dharmaic seeds. But it's it's up 1898 01:36:23.039 --> 01:36:25.159 to us, and it's up to us what we want 1899 01:36:25.159 --> 01:36:27.159 to focus on and like how we want to view 1900 01:36:27.239 --> 01:36:30.439 the world, and like, yeah, we can acknowledge chronoground conditions obviously, 1901 01:36:30.920 --> 01:36:33.479 but we don't have to fill ourselves with it, especially 1902 01:36:33.520 --> 01:36:34.640 if we cannot control it. 1903 01:36:35.359 --> 01:36:40.199 M Yeah, yeah, nice, well said. Yeah, both of you 1904 01:36:40.239 --> 01:36:43.920 are well said on your different It's interesting how Buddhism 1905 01:36:44.039 --> 01:36:46.640 is the through line and then these different uh you know, 1906 01:36:46.760 --> 01:36:49.359 Mahayana with the Lotus sutro, which was you know, should 1907 01:36:49.359 --> 01:36:53.479 Showshu that you're doing or to Jin's contrac Buddhism, it's 1908 01:36:53.600 --> 01:36:57.119 you know, all mahyana is in Manayana, right, That's why 1909 01:36:57.119 --> 01:36:57.520 I thought. 1910 01:36:57.560 --> 01:37:01.079 Yeah, tantra is Mahayana in fact, like the Lotus Sutra 1911 01:37:01.199 --> 01:37:03.760 is a prana Parmi to sutra perfection of wisdom text. 1912 01:37:04.119 --> 01:37:10.159 All tantras derive from pranaparmi to sutras. There's our technical 1913 01:37:10.319 --> 01:37:13.920 Sanskrit and sidem script formulas for deriving what we would 1914 01:37:13.960 --> 01:37:17.840 call mantras and Durrani's so everything that you see that 1915 01:37:18.000 --> 01:37:21.479 I would do, it actually comes from the Mahayana. So 1916 01:37:21.520 --> 01:37:23.720 we would say we are Mahayanas in the sense that 1917 01:37:23.840 --> 01:37:27.239 we follow sutras and we follow like the teachings of 1918 01:37:27.239 --> 01:37:30.000 the Buddha. The coangar and the ten gear is what 1919 01:37:30.079 --> 01:37:33.239 we call intiventan and so we would follow everything, but 1920 01:37:33.479 --> 01:37:36.359 we just have a different methodology. We adopt a more 1921 01:37:36.439 --> 01:37:40.720 magical formulation to get there. But it's very similar because 1922 01:37:40.760 --> 01:37:43.560 we also say everything is empty. So even if I 1923 01:37:44.159 --> 01:37:46.840 so for me, I'm very I'm very simple Brandon in 1924 01:37:46.880 --> 01:37:50.439 my in my sofa, it's much more like kaivros. It's 1925 01:37:50.520 --> 01:37:52.439 like I sit in front of my altar, I do. 1926 01:37:52.720 --> 01:37:54.760 I mean, yes, I have deities and things, but it's 1927 01:37:54.880 --> 01:37:57.000 it's the word, it's the it's the sound and the 1928 01:37:57.079 --> 01:38:02.319 bija and I offer like lamb uh water and incense 1929 01:38:02.359 --> 01:38:04.800 every day and then I do like two hours of 1930 01:38:05.199 --> 01:38:09.000 like hardcore mantra recitation and a little bit of sutrare recitation. 1931 01:38:09.359 --> 01:38:11.760 So it's very similar. I mean, the we're not talking 1932 01:38:11.840 --> 01:38:14.239 about it's it's it's really the same idea. 1933 01:38:15.279 --> 01:38:17.880 That's actually sounds so similar, right m hmm. 1934 01:38:17.760 --> 01:38:22.640 Yeah, definitely, yeah, yeah, yeah, I love the Lotus suture too, 1935 01:38:22.680 --> 01:38:25.319 because like in the end you have all the bodisatfas 1936 01:38:25.359 --> 01:38:29.640 who are like reciting the protection spells and so like 1937 01:38:29.760 --> 01:38:31.720 at the end of the Lotus suture you have yeah, 1938 01:38:31.760 --> 01:38:36.399 like perceiver of world sounds and like all the body 1939 01:38:36.479 --> 01:38:39.680 satfa is like swearing to protect those who uphold the 1940 01:38:39.760 --> 01:38:42.359 load of sutra. So it's like in this practice we 1941 01:38:42.520 --> 01:38:44.800 naturally have these like I think you call them do 1942 01:38:44.880 --> 01:38:46.439 Rawni's and that is I think what they are called. 1943 01:38:47.119 --> 01:38:50.720 But they're essentially like spells protecting the carriers of the 1944 01:38:50.800 --> 01:38:51.399 lotus future. 1945 01:38:51.600 --> 01:38:56.279 Yes, yeah, Buddhism's magic. What can you say? 1946 01:38:56.279 --> 01:38:58.479 It is ed it is, Yeah, it really is, and 1947 01:38:58.520 --> 01:39:00.279 that's why it's like, you know, it's funny. It's a 1948 01:39:00.319 --> 01:39:02.159 religion and I'm proud to call it a religion. But 1949 01:39:02.239 --> 01:39:04.359 at the same time, I'm like, there's an opening of 1950 01:39:04.439 --> 01:39:08.039 the eye ceremony for the scrolls, like the whole ritual 1951 01:39:08.159 --> 01:39:10.159 of everything, And honestly, that's kind of why I'm glad 1952 01:39:10.199 --> 01:39:13.319 I was raised Catholic. Like I loved being sprinkled with 1953 01:39:13.439 --> 01:39:16.399 holy water when they like walk around with the pine 1954 01:39:16.479 --> 01:39:18.319 thing and they like sprinkle you with that, and like 1955 01:39:18.399 --> 01:39:21.359 the incense and everything like that. Like I love ritual. 1956 01:39:21.800 --> 01:39:24.800 My ninth house is aries, so like my idea of 1957 01:39:24.880 --> 01:39:29.520 religion is like doing it, so I love the experience 1958 01:39:29.600 --> 01:39:29.760 of it. 1959 01:39:29.840 --> 01:39:32.119 I also was raised Catholic. Nick knows this. I think 1960 01:39:32.159 --> 01:39:36.399 he's laughing secretly, but yeah, I mean I always said 1961 01:39:36.399 --> 01:39:38.960 that too. It's like there is something there is something 1962 01:39:39.000 --> 01:39:41.439 about like being raised Catholic and then you kind of 1963 01:39:41.560 --> 01:39:44.760 see like the ritual formulation of things and whether you 1964 01:39:45.000 --> 01:39:47.119 understand it or not in terms of like how we 1965 01:39:47.159 --> 01:39:48.800 would do it in dharma or how you would see 1966 01:39:48.840 --> 01:39:50.720 like if you go to a Tivet Darma center see 1967 01:39:50.720 --> 01:39:52.720 the monks doing creature, like it doesn't really make sense 1968 01:39:52.960 --> 01:39:56.439 in a Catholic context, but you understand there is like 1969 01:39:56.560 --> 01:40:00.520 a sort of higher aspirational degree of a action in 1970 01:40:00.680 --> 01:40:03.640 the world, like how you work through the angles. Maybe 1971 01:40:03.720 --> 01:40:06.279 that's a good way to even express that, and so 1972 01:40:06.960 --> 01:40:09.680 I agree that it gives you at least that initial 1973 01:40:09.800 --> 01:40:13.640 spark of seeing. Okay, there's a ritual formulation in which 1974 01:40:13.920 --> 01:40:16.760 a certain rights take place, and we're going to just 1975 01:40:17.079 --> 01:40:19.560 like understand that in our own way now that we 1976 01:40:19.920 --> 01:40:23.239 have the religion of our choice rather than religion of birth, 1977 01:40:23.279 --> 01:40:25.960 which is totally fine, and everybody's welcome to do that too. 1978 01:40:26.960 --> 01:40:32.640 Mm hmm, yeah, thank you, j. 1979 01:40:34.800 --> 01:40:37.239 Jen Or right, there was anything else you wanted to 1980 01:40:37.720 --> 01:40:39.439 bring up or talk about before? 1981 01:40:43.800 --> 01:40:46.600 I think, you know, I uh, she's a wealth of knowledge. 1982 01:40:46.640 --> 01:40:48.199 So obviously we're just gonna have to bring her back 1983 01:40:48.279 --> 01:40:52.439 on because she's got a mad like she's got the 1984 01:40:52.520 --> 01:40:55.199 divine madness within her, and so she's got the flaming 1985 01:40:55.279 --> 01:40:58.079 sword and there's a lot of things that she can 1986 01:40:58.159 --> 01:40:59.680 speak very elegantly about. 1987 01:41:00.119 --> 01:41:02.159 Had like two or three questions. I still can't remember them. 1988 01:41:03.640 --> 01:41:06.119 It's like sometimes, especially when I've spoken, people say stuff 1989 01:41:06.159 --> 01:41:08.159 and I'll get like a question and it's like I 1990 01:41:08.279 --> 01:41:10.039 go down a rabbit hole on my own fucking head 1991 01:41:10.039 --> 01:41:15.479 about it. When do people stop talking, I'm like, fuck, 1992 01:41:15.520 --> 01:41:17.159 where did that rabbit hole stuff from? That I want 1993 01:41:17.199 --> 01:41:17.920 to answer them about? 1994 01:41:19.720 --> 01:41:21.600 Yeah, yeah I get that. 1995 01:41:21.920 --> 01:41:25.199 Yeah, No, I definitely love to get you back out. 1996 01:41:25.439 --> 01:41:27.880 It might even be justavy one sometimes just with other 1997 01:41:27.920 --> 01:41:28.640 topics as well. 1998 01:41:29.600 --> 01:41:30.920 Yeah, I love that. That'd be fun. 1999 01:41:31.119 --> 01:41:33.880 Yeah, yeah, I think so for sure. For sure. Before 2000 01:41:33.920 --> 01:41:36.319 we wrap it up, Jin, do you want to let 2001 01:41:36.359 --> 01:41:38.439 everybody know find all your amazing stuff. 2002 01:41:39.039 --> 01:41:39.239 Sure? 2003 01:41:39.319 --> 01:41:40.920 But I just want to say first that this was 2004 01:41:40.960 --> 01:41:45.000 actually a truly lovely conversation. Very rarely have met people 2005 01:41:45.039 --> 01:41:48.800 that I can really Dharma's uh, it's still new. It's 2006 01:41:48.840 --> 01:41:51.159 still new in the new world, which is okay. We're 2007 01:41:51.279 --> 01:41:54.119 very you know, positive about it, clear pelled, and so 2008 01:41:54.520 --> 01:41:56.840 we're we're allowing it to take form in the ways 2009 01:41:56.880 --> 01:41:59.920 that it will on this on this on this job 2010 01:42:00.039 --> 01:42:02.800 would be BA. So I'm very positive. I try and 2011 01:42:02.840 --> 01:42:05.000 always say that as well. Like, but I just want 2012 01:42:05.039 --> 01:42:06.840 to say thank you so much for this conversation and 2013 01:42:07.239 --> 01:42:09.479 for bringing dharma and centering and so much. It means 2014 01:42:09.479 --> 01:42:12.319 a lot to me personally, and so and thank you 2015 01:42:12.439 --> 01:42:15.520 Brandon also for inviting me and like wanting me on 2016 01:42:15.640 --> 01:42:18.640 the episode, and Nick for of course setting this all 2017 01:42:18.720 --> 01:42:21.319 up and having me on the show so regularly. Thank 2018 01:42:21.319 --> 01:42:23.640 you very much. And people can check me out at 2019 01:42:23.840 --> 01:42:27.720 wukong Reborn wuk o ng Reborn that's my personal account 2020 01:42:27.760 --> 01:42:32.279 on x Twitter or Threshold Saints on x Twitter as 2021 01:42:32.319 --> 01:42:35.600 well and ig and then Threshold Saints subsack dot com 2022 01:42:35.720 --> 01:42:37.920 and then everybody else will check out Matt Murra and 2023 01:42:38.039 --> 01:42:40.479 his websites and his link tree, all of which you 2024 01:42:40.520 --> 01:42:42.960 can find at the True Gray Lodge dot com which 2025 01:42:43.039 --> 01:42:46.720 is t r V True Gray Lodge dot com. Thank 2026 01:42:46.760 --> 01:42:47.399 you guys so much. 2027 01:42:47.439 --> 01:42:51.479 Appreciate it. Thank you, oh, thank you so I appreciate it. 2028 01:42:51.800 --> 01:42:55.720 Appreciate you joining us and Brandon. Please let everybody know 2029 01:42:55.760 --> 01:42:59.880 what they can find all your amazing one yeah, of course, yeah. 2030 01:43:00.119 --> 01:43:03.680 Please head on over to megas in the media on YouTube, 2031 01:43:03.800 --> 01:43:06.960 on x on Instagram, on all the things. We're trying 2032 01:43:06.960 --> 01:43:09.159 to take over the world, all four of us and 2033 01:43:09.319 --> 01:43:12.960 every other of the occult rejects out there. It's a 2034 01:43:13.039 --> 01:43:17.279 mad world and the house is burning, as Kaiva says, 2035 01:43:17.520 --> 01:43:20.720 and you have to be in it. It's time to 2036 01:43:20.960 --> 01:43:22.760 get out. You don't even need to get on the 2037 01:43:22.840 --> 01:43:25.399 cart and so it's one of those things where it's 2038 01:43:25.560 --> 01:43:30.359 a beautiful world and I just think that the celestials 2039 01:43:30.640 --> 01:43:36.039 and the Earth and your individuality really have meaning. And 2040 01:43:36.640 --> 01:43:39.279 Kaiva is brilliant and she has the ability to show 2041 01:43:39.399 --> 01:43:42.720 you that. So please is you know, if you're following me, 2042 01:43:43.439 --> 01:43:46.960 please head over to eleven kaivros thirty three dot com 2043 01:43:47.119 --> 01:43:48.880 as well. And I know she's gonna plug all her 2044 01:43:48.880 --> 01:43:51.439 stuff and I'm gonna help and head over to her 2045 01:43:51.520 --> 01:43:54.000 YouTube because she's so brilliant and she's helped so many 2046 01:43:54.039 --> 01:43:56.680 people and everyone who's listening, she can definitely help you. 2047 01:43:57.760 --> 01:43:59.880 But please, yeah, you're next. 2048 01:44:01.319 --> 01:44:05.560 I was listening. That was really nice. Yeah, and finally, Kaiva, 2049 01:44:05.640 --> 01:44:07.800 please let everybody. Oh first, I do want to say, 2050 01:44:08.439 --> 01:44:10.079 you know, when it comes to astrology, and like Eva 2051 01:44:10.119 --> 01:44:13.279 J said, like I do believe it's real. I'm just 2052 01:44:13.399 --> 01:44:16.079 very bad at it. I probably knew enough just to 2053 01:44:16.159 --> 01:44:18.079 do planetary well. I mean I probably should have known 2054 01:44:18.119 --> 01:44:20.279 more if I was messing with planetary magic, but I 2055 01:44:20.359 --> 01:44:23.560 knew enough just too. I think felt okay with doing 2056 01:44:23.680 --> 01:44:25.840 that stuff. But a lot of the stuff, like you 2057 01:44:25.920 --> 01:44:27.840 were talking about on the show, it's like almost another 2058 01:44:27.920 --> 01:44:30.840 language to me. So I do appreciate you coming on 2059 01:44:31.000 --> 01:44:34.560 because I really compared to astrologers, I don't know, I 2060 01:44:34.680 --> 01:44:38.119 know jack shit. So it was very very nice and 2061 01:44:38.239 --> 01:44:40.399 I'd love to hear more about it. But please let 2062 01:44:40.439 --> 01:44:41.880 everybody know what's up and where they can find all 2063 01:44:41.920 --> 01:44:42.279 you stuff. 2064 01:44:43.359 --> 01:44:45.199 Yeah, thank you so much for having me. I really 2065 01:44:45.239 --> 01:44:48.239 appreciate it. This is actually the first interview that I've 2066 01:44:48.319 --> 01:44:50.600 done where I've told my full backstory, so it's kind 2067 01:44:50.640 --> 01:44:53.399 of like really nice. Yeah, I learned how to sum 2068 01:44:53.479 --> 01:44:55.960 it up really good and like it's the point of things. 2069 01:44:56.079 --> 01:44:59.239 So like, thank you for having me. I really appreciate it, 2070 01:44:59.279 --> 01:45:02.640 and I'm glad I help you know, expand your astrological 2071 01:45:02.880 --> 01:45:07.000 understanding and there's more and all that great stuff. But yeah, 2072 01:45:07.079 --> 01:45:11.079 you can find me at Kaiva Rose on Instagram. I 2073 01:45:11.239 --> 01:45:15.279 used to be on TikTok not You Moore on YouTube Facebook, 2074 01:45:15.680 --> 01:45:20.159 and I post weekly videos so they come out every 2075 01:45:20.319 --> 01:45:23.600 Sunday and they just talk about the week ahead. And yeah, 2076 01:45:23.760 --> 01:45:25.319 and if you want to get a reading, you can 2077 01:45:25.359 --> 01:45:28.199 contact me at eleven Kaiva Rose thirty three dot com. 2078 01:45:28.600 --> 01:45:30.520 I was born at eleven thirty three, so that's why 2079 01:45:30.560 --> 01:45:32.760 there's eleven in the front and at thirty three at 2080 01:45:32.800 --> 01:45:33.199 the end. 2081 01:45:34.239 --> 01:45:36.159 That's beautiful. And also go out and read her books. 2082 01:45:36.199 --> 01:45:39.000 Go to rue Odyssey. They are brilliant. She's writing the 2083 01:45:39.079 --> 01:45:41.159 third one currently. It is a trilogy. The first two 2084 01:45:41.199 --> 01:45:45.439 are out there, so everyone knows. Thank you. 2085 01:45:45.520 --> 01:45:51.640 Yeah, rue Odyssey dot com as ru Ruodissey dot com. Yeah, 2086 01:45:51.640 --> 01:45:53.359 book three will probably come out in like a year 2087 01:45:53.439 --> 01:45:57.439 or more than that. It's it was the least developed screenplay, so. 2088 01:45:58.479 --> 01:46:00.560 It's more work to do to the show. If you 2089 01:46:00.600 --> 01:46:02.199 want to send me all the links you got and 2090 01:46:02.239 --> 01:46:04.399 I'll add them to the show afterwards, we'll make sure 2091 01:46:04.399 --> 01:46:07.720 I put it in you as well. So yeah, thank 2092 01:46:07.720 --> 01:46:08.199 you very much. 2093 01:46:08.279 --> 01:46:10.039 Yeah, and thank you Jin. I want to say thank you. 2094 01:46:10.119 --> 01:46:12.079 I really appreciate that. It was wonderful to chat with 2095 01:46:12.159 --> 01:46:14.520 you too about a different Buddhist practice and connect on 2096 01:46:14.560 --> 01:46:16.520 those things. So I really appreciate that you guys are 2097 01:46:16.560 --> 01:46:19.760 all so wonderful and I appreciate you all. Thank you, 2098 01:46:20.039 --> 01:46:20.279 thank you. 2099 01:46:20.680 --> 01:46:22.800 That's really sweet. Thank you very much. 2100 01:46:22.920 --> 01:46:25.920 I appreciate that we're trying. We're trying, but thank you 2101 01:46:26.119 --> 01:46:28.600 very much Kaiva for coming on. Like I said again, 2102 01:46:28.640 --> 01:46:30.279 I'd love to get you out in the future. And 2103 01:46:30.399 --> 01:46:33.000 we will definitely make that happen. And uh, thank you 2104 01:46:33.039 --> 01:46:34.960 everybody in the chat. That's what's up. That's why I 2105 01:46:35.039 --> 01:46:37.479 go live. I like seeing everybody there and everything. Everybody's 2106 01:46:37.479 --> 01:46:39.479 got to say, Uh, if you've got to be a 2107 01:46:39.600 --> 01:46:41.479 dicto repeatedly, I might have to put you in time out. 2108 01:46:41.520 --> 01:46:43.720 So I had to do that to somebody today. I 2109 01:46:43.760 --> 01:46:48.920 don't know, and you know what, you know what it 2110 01:46:49.079 --> 01:46:51.439 is to the last two or three days, I've noticed 2111 01:46:52.159 --> 01:46:55.560 having issues with like people in chat, and none of 2112 01:46:55.640 --> 01:46:59.800 them are actually people that normally listen to this channel. Yeah, 2113 01:47:00.039 --> 01:47:02.520 they're from another fucking podcast. I'm not retold you. What's 2114 01:47:02.520 --> 01:47:04.680 good to stop your ship? 2115 01:47:05.640 --> 01:47:10.680 Oh yeah, yeah, we could do a horror on that. 2116 01:47:11.359 --> 01:47:13.840 It is kind of the season. 2117 01:47:13.960 --> 01:47:16.560 It feels like for a lot of that misship just 2118 01:47:16.600 --> 01:47:18.880 wait for them sending their bots over here too, because 2119 01:47:18.880 --> 01:47:22.359 I only like boxes. So that's the whole of the story. 2120 01:47:22.720 --> 01:47:24.680 But thank you very much. And yeah, sorry I had 2121 01:47:24.720 --> 01:47:27.279 to put somebody in time out. But yeah, that's what happens. 2122 01:47:27.439 --> 01:47:28.920 I don't know where I was going with that, but 2123 01:47:29.079 --> 01:47:31.520 uh yeah, oh yeah, because we're talking about the chat. Yeah, 2124 01:47:31.560 --> 01:47:33.600 but thank you everybody. That's what's up again. I do 2125 01:47:33.800 --> 01:47:36.000 appreciate everybody in the chat. I love seeing the regulars 2126 01:47:36.039 --> 01:47:37.680 and that's what's up. And by the way, people who 2127 01:47:37.720 --> 01:47:39.439 do have wrenches, you are allowed to put people in 2128 01:47:39.479 --> 01:47:41.520 time out and ban them. I don't give a ship. Well, 2129 01:47:41.520 --> 01:47:44.760 I prefer you're not the band. I'm begetting censorship. So 2130 01:47:44.880 --> 01:47:46.720 I do allow people to run their mouths. But after 2131 01:47:46.800 --> 01:47:49.159 a while it's just like fucking shit, shut up already, 2132 01:47:49.560 --> 01:47:51.920 you know. So if you got a wrench, you can, 2133 01:47:51.960 --> 01:47:57.920 you know, use it chat. Yeah, yeah, exactly, but uh yeah. 2134 01:47:57.960 --> 01:48:00.079 That is the end of another occult rejection until the 2135 01:48:00.119 --> 01:48:02.039 next one. Everybody be well later.